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The sight before us is that of
a strong and good nation that stands in

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silence and remembers those who were loved
and who in return loved their countrymen enough

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to die for them. Yet we
must try to wantor them, not for

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their sakes alone, but for our
own. And if words cannot repay the

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debt we owe these men, surely
with our actions we must strive to keep

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faith with them, and with a
vision that led them to battle and a

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final sacrifice. Our first obligation to
them and ourselves is plain enough. The

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United States and the freedom for which
it stands, the freedom which they died,

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must endure and prosper. Their lives
remind us that freedom is not bought

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cheaply. It has a cost.
The willingness of some to give their lives

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so that others might live never fails
to evoke in us a sense of wonder

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and mystery, and how they must
have wished, in all the ugliness that

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war brings, that no other generation
of young men to follow would have to

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undergo that same experience. As we
honor their memory today, let us pledge

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that their lives, their sacrifices,
their valor shall be justified and remembered for

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as long as God gives life to
this nation. And let us also pledge

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to do our utmost to carry out
what must have been their wish. Let

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no other generation of young men will
ever have to share their experiences and repeat

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their sacrifice. Now one of your
pointing, Ah, I got a screen

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going on to hear something. Just
kills my dog. Let me kill your

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dog? My dog. We're flying
through the or over the tree. I

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don't know how it did it,
okay, damn, and I'm really confused.

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All I saw is my dog coming
over the fence and he was dead.

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And once he hit the ground,
I didn't see any cars. All

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I saw was my dog coming over
the fence. Say, what are you

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putting? We got some wond or
something crawling around out here? Did you

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see what it was? It was? It was staying enough. I'm out

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here looking through the window now and
I don't see anything. I don't want

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to go outside. Jesus Christ,
you better, Chara Sey, Hello,

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get somebody out here. What's going
on else? I thought of a mention

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about tech forty nine. I don't
know eating out there? Yeah, I'm

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working right ay here if you want, I hope you're having a safe and

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happy Memorial Day. Wanted to do
something a little special, as I always

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tried to do every single year.
This is an episode that aired way back

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a couple of years ago on Sasquatch
Out to See. It was originally episode

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twenty four with Todd. Nie Todd
is a military veteran and he actually saw

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three Sasquatch while out on maneuvers during
his military career, so I wanted to

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remaster this episode. It was way
back when the audio was not great quality,

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so I've done the best I can
with this. This is back when

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I was still interviewing people via telephone
and not using the software that I use

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now, so it's still not the
best quality audio, but it's much better

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than it was, so I hope
you guys really enjoy it. I couldn't

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think of a better way to honor
our fallen heroes than to put this out

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right here on Memorial Day. So
here you are the remastered version of episode

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twenty four that aired originally on May
fourteenth, twenty twenty one. To the

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show Todd, thank you for having
me put the pleasure That'll be with you

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absolutely man. It's my honor and
now I thank you for rescheduling. We

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had something scheduled a couple of weeks
back and I had to cancel it the

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last minute, so I really do
appreciate you taking the time to reschedule and

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come on the show man. I
no word, this is an encounter show.

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I know you've got tons of things
to talk about. You've been doing

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this type of research for many years. If your bio is the litany of

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things that you've done throughout your life, we certainly want to get to that.

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I know you've had encounters with these
things in the past. If you

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would just take us back to where
you were, what you were doing,

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what happened during your first encounter.
Yeah, thank you for asking. Before

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I get to that, I think
it's the only fair to preface my story

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by saying that I have grown up
in the Pacific Northwest all my life Bard

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and Fordland and lived in all the
surrounding rural areas. I've heard and you

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can't help it here about bigfoot living
here in the Pacific Northwest, but I'd

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never given it any credibility. I
hunt and hike and fish extensively, never

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seen anything, So I relegated the
whole thing to I don't know campfire story

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or whatnot, But on April third, nineteen ninety three, that all changed

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very dramatically for me. It was
on that day Saturday. In fact,

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I was training with the Army National
Guard here in Oregon. I was a

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combat engineer. Good part of what
we do involved heavy explosives. Once a

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year we had a contract with a
local timber company that allow us to go

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up into their private timberland and do
the real big explosions to three hundred pounds

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of explosives at once. That we
just no way we could do that on

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the base without breaking every window.
So this is one of those annual let's

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go up in the woods and get
down and blow stuff up. And had

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three blasting sites and I won't go
into a lot of tail and to stay

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that at each of these flast sights, we're talking about gravel for it.

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We would literally send up a mushroom
cloud, whether it was C four plastic

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explosive or vody of nitrate that we've
been soaking a diesel fuel, but big

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little miniature earthquake kind of stuff.
We were just setting the fuses on our

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third and last demo site. Once
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procedure was to get in the vehicles
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We had four vehicles. I was
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a passenger, sitting behind the driver, and it was just a beautiful day

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in April, just like right now
to be exacted, which is rare,

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but it's nice. So I had
the window and zipped and my arm hanging

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out the window, and I'm looking
around the country for any kind of while

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ife, dear elf bear or whatever. It was just natural for me to

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do that. As we were a
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where we would wait for the explosion
and then go back and check our work,

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the taller trees dropped away into an
area where they had a reprod as

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we call it brand new tree planning, is probably about eight to ten feet

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high. I could see over the
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we were on, winding gravel logging
roads. As we're going along, I'm

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looking off to the left side of
the vehicle, that second gravel site came

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into full view. What struck me
was I saw these three large dark still

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a west If you well, my
first thought was, what the hell are

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those people doing down there? Because
we have full security going on, you

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can imagine with the danger level what
we're doing, and everybody is accounted for,

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and yet here's these three figures potentially
in harms away from the explosion it's

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about to go off. But I
hardly got that up through my mind.

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And when I'm like, those are
people, the reason I say that is

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that the silhouette, for one,
was not human. They're all standing on

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two feet, and they had arms
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and all that, but these are
arms tone down. I would stay halfway

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between their knees and their feet,
which was bizarre because it didn't look like

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they were actually hunched over anything.
And even the legs looked way too long

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proportionate to the torso, the head
fat, squarelyum shoulders, but really no

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visible neck. I can only assume
that their trapezoids just went from their ears

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down to their shoulders. The other
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they been people wearing normal clothes,
I would easily be able to make that

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out, but there was no clothes. These states are just this disproportionately huge.

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To begin with, the picture,
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facing us, three in a row. The one in the middle standing a

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bolt had taller than the two that
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estimate to be nine foot or better. The other two came up to hit

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shoulders, so I'm thinking seven seven
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them human dimensions by any means.
It was fascinating. The one there in

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the middle just stood there like a
statue. I don't think I saw it

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even blank. These two on either
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time we're exhibiting this rocking motion,
the shifting weight from foot to foot in

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the process rocking left and right,
these long pendulous arms swinging well below the

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knees. This wasn't a two or
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of the vehicle of the road and
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This waswenty five seconds. Twenty five
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a lot much you put in perspective, I'd ask your listeners just stare at

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your watch for twenty five seconds.
But especially when I was watching it,

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it seemed like eternity. But after
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I lost sight. Of them,
and I just sloped back in my seat

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tried to make sense of what I
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Then you're questioning, almost denying,
what you're seeing. You're trying to

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equate it with whatever you can.
And I'm sitting there going, okay,

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three black bears all just happen to
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made sense that in about two seconds, I do exactly what I was watching.

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And I have to tell you that
twenty five seconds has affected my entire

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adult life. Ever said so for
what now, more than twenty eight years,

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I've been researching them, pursuing them. I think, why me,

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I could have been driving the vehicle, I could have been sitting on the

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other side of them. They we
could have been there a minute later or

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a minute earlier. I never saw
anything. I felt there was a purpose

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in it, or there has to
be, because why me? My purpose,

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as I've determined it, is to
try to get them officially recognized my

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science. Because I'm not a believer
in vig food. I'm a knower.

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I can't unsee what I saw even
if I wanted to. So, knowing

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that I feel my purposes get them
officially recognized in order to get them protected

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should they need it. Even at
this point, we don't know if they

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need it, and there's people out
there say all evil though they're doing fine,

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that's just bs because they don't know. We don't know how many there

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are today. By comparison, we
don't know how many there were a thousand

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years ago. Are there never going
down? Are there nevers going off?

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So we have those answers, as
elusive and seemingly as rare as they are,

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I would rather err on the side
of caution and try to establish protections

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for them until we know absolutely what
the health of their species is. I

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feel very blessed to seeing what I
saw it again. I'm looking for a

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purpose. That that's why I founded
the American Primate Conservancy. It's a nonprofit

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that states on science and education,
and we're try to establish protections. So

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that's my story. That's what got
me involved in it. I appreciate you

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sharing your story. One of the
things I've talked to Jeff Meldrum about what

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his thoughts are on what the population
may be saying the lower forty eight,

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because my question to him was,
and it's the same question for you.

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It's all a hypothesis. It's all
a theory. We don't know. Nobody's

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out taking a census of bigfoot.
That's the point, right, If we

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could do that, we could prove
the species exist and protect it. We

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have thousands and thousands of sightings of
these things. If all the people that

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say they see these things across the
Lower forty eight are telling the truth,

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there has to be a huge population. Because I tend to agree with you.

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I think these things are a lot
more rare and way more elusive than

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some people would maybe want people to
believe. Well, we talked about it.

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Meldrum said, I think it's very
comparable to a black bear. If

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a black bear can exist somewhere,
it's possible that a sasquatch can exist there.

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If he did all this math and
came up with an estimated population of

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probably somewhere between maybe about twenty five
hundred to five thousand of these things in

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the lower forty eight spread out over
the lower forty eight, that's a pretty

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sparse population. Nothing by way of
comparison. I get this question close to

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me many times, and we happen
to be at an outdoor. I'll look

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over it at a mountains and I'll
go, Okay, let's look from this

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point to the left, this point
to the right. Let's just figure that

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two miles just taking into account the
Cascade mountain Range, which starts in Mount

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Lassen, northern California, goes right
on in the British Columbia. The Coast

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Range, the Temperate rainforest that starts
in Cave Medesino, California and goes up

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to the Olympic National Forest. There's
over sixty thousand square miles and most of

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it very sparsely populated. And I
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I live in the Cascade. Yeah, there's roads that go through there,

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but the houses are all along the
roads. And what lies between those roads,

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who knows. But let's just take
those two ranges, and I'm going

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to hypothetically say we're looking off at
the distance. I'm saying two miles of

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that mountain range over there. Let's
just play what if now, keeping things

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to scale, if I'm going to
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over here represent sixty million square miles, then my bag foot they're gonna be

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the size of beanies. Now I'm
gonna ask you me a day and I'm

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gonna take two thousands of those,
and that's my estimates, closer to two

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thousand. Me that as ma.
I'm gonna take two thousand of these little

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copper bebies. You're gonna give you
a day, and I'm gonna plant those

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all over up there, and I'm
not gonna burg them. They'll be out

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on top of the surface, but
I'm gonna go around and scatter them like

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Easter eggs. Now, I'll give
you a day. I'll give you a

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week to find one of them.
What do you think the odds you'll find

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one? And you can't use the
metal detector. I could probably find one

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or two. And I said,
all right, there's a couple of caveats.

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Those bright shiny little beanies. They're
not bright tiny copper anymore. We're

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gonna paint them black and brown and
maybe green, and then I'm gonna scatter

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them. Now, what are the
odds are you going to find a week?

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I'll probably find one. Okay,
have you on number two? These

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little painted babies they can hear,
they can smell, they can see,

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and they can move. Now what
do you think you're ob just fighting them?

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And they're like, oh, I'm
like that's what you're dealing with.

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It really comes down to uh So, I wouldn't compare them to bear populations

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because I can tell you in Oregon
alone, we have over six thousand black

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bears. I've seen maybe five cougars
about five thousand or so. I've only

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seen one in Oregon and one in
California. In my entire life, I

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spent a lot of time out of
the way. And I know a lot

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of people talk about, well,
they've got to die, there's going to

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be bones, So how can we
I'm found any bones. Have you ever

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found bones of a cougar? Now? Then why are you even questioning why

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we're not finding carcass of an animal
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if that and the other thing too. In the Pacific Northwest a special a

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very volcanic area, And what that
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which contributes to decomposition. But that's
only one factor when you take into weather,

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and our weather's very wet over here. At least stuff here. He

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take into account scavengers, predators,
bacteria, parasites that are already in even

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our bodies. We lived symbiotically with
parasites that most animals do. But you

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get all those factors together, and
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a Roosevelt hell in Battle Mountain area, which is actually the same area that

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I saw these three creatures because of
a no storm that was starting up,

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the fact I had to actually gain
an elevation to get out of there,

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and I was in a two wheel
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I didn't feel dressed like I normally
do because I was afraid I might

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not get out. So I took
the rumps and the shoulders of the back

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had left quite a bit of the
animal there. I bet there was still

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three hundred plus tounds of bone and
meat there. I went back exactly three

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weeks later to the exact same spot. You'd never know that animal was there.

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There was nothing, but I knew
I had the same spot. In

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fact, I actually tied off some
of that orange ginger tear tape there at

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the spot where I'd left it,
and it was still there. I can't

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say there wasn't hide in her hair, because with the one exception, there

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was about a ten inch piece of
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brambles. Of salmon berry vines.
But other than that, there was no

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evidence that animal was ever there.
And that was three weeks. I wish

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I would have got there in two
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on the time left setting, just
to see how quickly that was gone.

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I could have been gone in a
week, but that was a lot of

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meat and bone to just disappear.
But dat is a really fantastic and recycler

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animals, at least around here.
Don't laugh too long. It's one of

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the things that I always hear from
skeptics. I love skeptical people because it

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makes for great conversation. I like
to talk to people that I somewhat disagree

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with just for the conversation of agreeing
to just disagree. Yeh. That's one

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thing I always hear from people is
there's never been a body, But for

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the very exact same things that you
said. There's tons of reasons that it

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there hasn't been a body found,
or nobody walks up on a body,

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and that's assuming that they're not more
sentient than we think they might be,

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and they may bury or at least
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or whatever the case may be.
We don't know anything about these creatures,

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so who knows what happens. But
if you just stick to the science of

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Hey, this thing died in the
woods, I came back two weeks later

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or three weeks later and it was
completely gone. Makes perfect sense to me

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as to why there hasn't been a
body found. Le'll me give you another

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scenario, and again this is speculation. You're right, we don't know for

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sure. At the point we need
to know for sure, that's why we

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were research. But imagine this.
I think it's fair to say that Bigfoot

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are the apex animal in the wood. Can you give me a more figure,

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more powerful animal out there? Imagine
if you will, if you spent

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your entire life never even once considering
your death, your what's the word I'm

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looking for, your your own mortality? Mortality? Thank you. Like deer,

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pearl, rabbit and all these other
animals, they are predated on all

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the time, and their entire life
is spent running and hiding and doing the

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basics. They got to eat,
leave and mate and all that. But

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they're all constantly looking over their show. Where you think Bigfoot's doing that?

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Though? Stay tuned for more sasquat
chotasy right back after these messages. So

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there's only three conditions I can think
where they actually even consider it, and

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it's whether they're dying of old age, and certainly they do, or whether

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they're still have disease of some sort
what have you. Or they're injured and

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realize that they can't recover from that
injury, they can't keep up with the

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rest of the plan or true for
whatever they want to call them, they

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could no longer even on their own
forage or hug. That's got to be

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a very awkward pot for a big
foot for the first time to consider their

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mortality, but certainly they do.
They all do it at some point in

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time, and they all know what
happened to injured and feeble, whether it

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be age or disease. They become
the predated. They become vulnerable for probably

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the first time in their entire exist. So you tell me, just as

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a human, if you were out
hiking, climbing whatever, you fell,

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broke both your legs, you're out
in the middle of nowhere, something happens

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to where you find yourself literally surviving
probably losing that battle. Are you going

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to just lay down and die.
I'm probably not What are you going to

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do? You're probably going to withdraw
to a very remote area, probably somewhat

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of a defensible position that while you
can put your back to a wall,

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and while you can at least to
say you've got one hundred and eight degrees

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behind you covered, but you're gonna
want to be able to face what's coming

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and hope that you die in a
very peaceful way. But you're not going

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to lay down and just die where
anybody can come along and trip over it.

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Oh look, no, it doesn't
happen that way. I think that

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what apex animals do. They're faced
with the situation, but they're only going

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to face once in their life,
and all of a sudden it's the game

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changes. I think they secret themselves
to a place where they can die at

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relative pace. But that's just my
theory. That's the thing about the subject

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is basically everything we talk about is
just a theories. I think when you

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start telling people they're right or wrong
when it comes to this kind of stuff,

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I think you're way out of bounds. But I definitely agree with you

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your outlooking I think your hypothesis there
is very correct because an apex predator that

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what you just described makes way more
sense than just laying down on a hiking

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trail for a hiker to stumble by
in a day or two and find your

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bodies. That makes a lot of
sense to me. You started down this

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path after your sighting. You started
into investigating these things. So let's move

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into your investigations over the last couple
of decades. What are some of the

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more interesting investigations that you've been on. Maybe it's an interesting place, Maybe

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it's just interesting evidence that you came
across. Is there anything that sticks out

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over the last couple of decades that
really stuck out in your mind as a

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sort of an aha, this is
a really cool experience moment. Oh many

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tell you. My first actual what
I would call attempt at the research was

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on the anniversary of my sighting in
ninety three, just having a year to

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ponder everything I have to say too. When I got access to a library,

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I went and checked out every book
on the subject that was available,

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at least as many of they as
that me checkout. I don't think I've

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been in the library ten years at
least. After digesting these books, many

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authors of who I would eventually come
to me. Just trying to come up

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with some of my own theories.
I decided, perhaps these things migrate like

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here and el in the summer,
they go up high in the winter,

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as their watering holes freeze over,
they have no choice but to come down

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lower. I just trying to associate
that with these guys, and they were

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in that area at that time,
scenes the reason they might be back there

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at that time. So like almost
on the anniversary of my siding, I

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went back to not only the same
area, but actually that quarry where I

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saw them in set up camp for
a week with a friend of mine.

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I've had some recorders, I had
some cameras. I basically took a camper

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out and jacked it down to its
lowest bedding, moved my truck out away

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from the area, put camouflage netting
over the camper, and I had enough

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where I could stretch out a bit
of a canopy and cut a hold of

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canopy for the camera. I thought
I was like nationalleographic. I did everything

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I could with what I had,
almost hilarious exercise. But I say that

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I had access to these side ground
centers that would detect vibration in the ground

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right a military issue. I had
them stretched out along kind of a picket

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line a little ways away from the
camper. I went so far as covering

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all the lights inside the camper with
red cell of phane, like we have

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in military vehicles when we travel at
night, enough light to read, but

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not enough to be seen from a
distance. And I had the night shift

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the monitor, the sensors and whatnot
right around midnight, and I swear to

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God, it was a balloon.
We're out there, can alten? Did

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it? Oh? Censer number two
is going off and often, and within

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a matter of minutes, all four
of the sensors are going off. My

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buddy is sleeping. I'm listening to
the symphony of sensors going off. I'm

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freaking out. I'm thinking we're surrounded. Right. What I would come to

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learn and many lessons learned, trust
me, along the way was where I

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had placed these sensors were close to
the roots of these alder trees. What

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happened was a windstorm game and it's
rocking these trees, ending vibration down their

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trunks as they're bending. I had
to steal myself to have the courage to

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go out there and try to track
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There were a lot of stumbles along
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another expedition in that area, Schattle
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later in nineteen ninety eight. I
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got to meet and know and become
friends with Peter Burne and Ron Moorhead,

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so I sought them into coming on
board as part of my team. We

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spent eight days up. I had
some amazing stuff go on. Ron heard

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vocalizations a couple of days into it. N He's the source of the pier

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sound recording to the seventies of the
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He owned his own plane and he
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And we had the trappiest weather when
we were there, was just right

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on the border of snowing and raining
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About day six, Ron says,
the weather is clearing up a little bit,

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and I've got instrument rating, but
I'd like to fly out called a

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visual VFR while we got to break
in the weather. So Peter took him

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down to the airport. That left
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I'm thinking, you know what,
I got these other spencers that I

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had borrowed from the North American Sciences
US that I hadn't put in the ground

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yet, So I don't just be
a perfect time for that. So I

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went up on the hill above her
base campus and started emplacing these and try

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to calibrate them. When this hailstorm
came in, I had two choices.

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Because this hailstorm, if everything behind
the Hilstar would just disappear, I'm like,

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I can make a run for it
down to the base camp, maybe

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five hundred meters away, and I
probably wouldn't get there before the hail.

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Dinner option too is to go up
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me, up into the old growth
and use the gigantic Doug Furs his umbrella

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until this thing passed. So I
chose up to b went up there,

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left the gear down below. I'm
under these trees and I had to take

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a peek, right, so I
do that. I'm just butting it up

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my pants and buckling my belt buckle. When I was met with the loudest

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and ferocious roar, I called her
like a roaring scream. I was like

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a roaring bark, if you will, because it was like three seconds long,

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probably one hundred and twenty decibels.
It was like the MGM lion on

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the start of movies if you have
it cranked up to ten at the very

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end to just shut down and do
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That had a bark likes that.
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But that thing was less than seventy
five feet away from me. However,

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it was hidden behind a headge of
Alan Scotch Froom. It never showed

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itself, but it was there.
It was about my ten o'clock and I'm

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telling you I didn't move for two
minutes. In fact, I couldn't move

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for ten minutes. I've always heard
that euphemism I'm being paralyzed with fear.

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Let me tell you something. It's
real because part of me said, run

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for your life. The other part
of me, which seems a lot more

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primal and probably smarter, said,
if you want to live, don't move.

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So I stood there. I don't
think I blinked for a few minutes.

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I finally got the nerve to start
back and down off that hill.

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That is probably the closest I've ever
come to them. We talk about encounters,

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I've only had one visual encounter.
I've never said anything different, But

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in pursuing these things, I've come
much closer to them than I ever did

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back in ninety three, close enough
to smell them on one occasion, for

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sure. I've heard the tree knocks. I've heard a tree being pushed,

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a very large tree just being literally
uprooted and thrown to the ground. I've

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heard their howls, as recently have
October. In of all places Nebraska,

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I heard of more than one.
I cannot attribute those downs to any known

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animal. Yeah, there's been a
lot of things along the way that continue

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to inspire me and encourage me to
keep doing what I'm doing. Tell us

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about the encounter where you were close
enough to smell it. I'm always curious

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about the smell because people think that
something that is synonymous with these encounter stories.

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Actually, it's more like maybe ten
to fifteen percent of the encounter stories

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I hear that people actually smell these
things. So would you mind telling us

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about that time. Yeah. Over
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Every so often you get that story
about the smell. The descriptions are

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very similar. Some might differ just
a little bit and what they're trying to

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compare it to, but I want
to stay. Two thousand and four,

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I got contacted by a gentleman who
is a rock hound as a hobbyist.

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As such, he knew going up
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as the Roaring River, the tributary
that is, he knew about a mile

408
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:27.759
upstream, in very rough country that
there was a lava flow that crossed over

409
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.319
the Roaring River, and the summer, when that water level dropped down and

410
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.640
exposes lava flow, it embedded in
that lava flow is what they call colmon

411
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.480
ople. So he would venture in
there a few times during the summer and

412
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.039
take his rock hammer and his chisel
and his little collection bag, and he'd

413
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.039
bring his dog with him, which
is the Australian shepherd, a full grown

414
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:51.759
Australian shepherd, and they'd hike back
in there. He goes down there and

415
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.440
start chipping out pieces of this common
ople while was dogs just rolling around.

416
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.559
He was doing that, one day
his dog lit onto something started growling,

417
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:08.599
more growling than barking. This went
on for several minutes to where this guy

418
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:15.000
said, Okay, he's got a
raccoon or porcupine or a squirrel. I

419
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.200
don't know, but he's going to
check it out. He put his hammer

420
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:22.359
and chiseled down and walked up to
where the dog was at. It was

421
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.880
just standing there on this log with
its nails just dug into this log,

422
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.880
looking off into the woods. Well, he got up where the dog was,

423
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.319
looking in the direction the dog was
looking. In his word, he

424
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.279
ever said bigfoot. He said,
I'm looking where my dog looking, and

425
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:46.240
not very far away is a gorilla. I found this eighth standing up on

426
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.680
two legs looking at my dog with
a not very happy looked on its face.

427
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.920
And with every breath it took as
his eggtail, it was grunting.

428
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.559
So he can imagine it's glaring at
this dog and it's just them at that

429
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.920
he shoves the dog off the log
and runs for his life. This thing

430
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:13.440
did something extraordinary, because ninety plus
percent of these things, when they realize

431
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.440
the human has seen them, just
simply get up and walk off. Not

432
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:21.760
in this case. In this case, it actually chase make a great movie.

433
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.360
But I can just imagine he's running
over hill and dale there's no real

434
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.880
set trail. They're jumping over logs
and boulders, through these four foot high

435
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.519
ferns and planting over their shoulder and
this thing still chase moment must have been

436
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.719
a nightmare. They got to one
point where you actually have to probably about

437
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:43.480
an eighty foot spection above the river
that you actually you have a a cliff

438
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.880
that you have to work around.
They stuffed just be where he got to

439
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.159
that point, because then it gets
a little harry as far as the traction

440
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.360
going around the back cliff. They
look back, they're looking for this thing.

441
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.320
They didn't see it at first,
finally catches a glimpse of it,

442
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.599
and as soon as they locked eye, I did charge them a second time

443
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.679
and they scrambled around that cliff but
never saw it again. He had us

444
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.239
come in our seeing, me and
a friend of mine about two weeks later,

445
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.840
and we got into the site and
sure enough, when we got there,

446
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.000
here's hit us rock hammer, chrome, rock hammer and chisel and his

447
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.840
election bag sitting there. So that
kind of made me go, okay,

448
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.719
the thrill, but well, it
was interesting. It was on our way

449
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.079
back out because we took the same
path going out as we did going in

450
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:38.119
what was weird, really weird,
was about ten minutes from where he had

451
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:43.239
the sighting. Oh, by the
way, we measured from where he was

452
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:49.199
standing to where this gorilla was standing. It was forty seventeenth really close.

453
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.760
We're going back the same route we
had come in maybe forty five minutes earlier.

454
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.840
We walked into a wall of smell, and by a wall of smell,

455
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.880
because you could smell a stunt that's
been hit by a car. You

456
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.360
can smell it an eighth of a
mile away, and you'll smell it an

457
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.559
eighth of a mile once you pass
it. Right. There was no taper

458
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.400
to this smell. There was no
wow, I smell something and it's getting

459
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.960
stronger. No, it was you
were either in it or you were out

460
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.000
of it. And you could literally
step five feet out of it and not

461
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:28.280
smell anything, which was amazing because
how the strength of that smell. You

462
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.960
would assume you would smell it coming
on a much earlier, but no,

463
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.039
you take five steps and you're like
felt like you were sotaking in that smell.

464
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.639
And to me, it smelled like
a dead carcass mixed with something else.

465
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.960
But it was enough to make your
eyes water almost think you want to

466
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.679
throw up. You could walk through
it, maybe thirty feet or so,

467
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.639
you could walk back out of it
within a few d not smell nothing.

468
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:00.639
So I don't understand it, but
I can say forty five minutes third on

469
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.360
the same route, there was nothing, absolutely nothing. Forty five minutes later,

470
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.760
this powerful, pungent smell was there. I haven't spelled them, sense,

471
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.519
I'd always said, after you're interviewing
people, I wish I could spell

472
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.400
that. Someday I could check that
block, and I don't want to ever

473
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.280
go back to again. It was
absolutely right. Like you said, it's

474
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.159
every once in a while somebody will
tell you they smell the smell, and

475
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.320
I'm always curious as to how they
describe it. Some people say it's like

476
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.280
a rotting meat, sort of soul
free at times, and then you get

477
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.480
the skunk smell. I think people
are just trying to describe it in the

478
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.960
nomenclatures they know, right, Yeah, which leads to the question is this

479
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:46.639
something they excrete on demand, and
if so, what it's purpose or is

480
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.559
it just something they smell like all
the time, just based on all the

481
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.360
interviews people haveing them fairly close to
them and not smelling them. I think

482
00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:00.320
it's something that they can physically generate. I think invite. We have a

483
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.880
couple purposes. It might be a
warning you're too close, or they might

484
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:10.920
be able to actually utilize that and
concert with other tag foot as a way

485
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:16.480
to push animals towards other animals.
They might be able to see them deer

486
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:23.639
and maybe set up a picketed line
of other animals that aren't excreting this and

487
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.039
come up behind them and give them
a shot of that, and that's going

488
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.320
to spend them right into the arms
of these things. I don't know.

489
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.440
Again, it's all speculation. You're
right. You keep saying that you're right.

490
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.800
We don't know. It's those questions
that I want to answer. We

491
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.960
can all theorize what what, but
until we actually are able to study these

492
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.480
things, we're not going to have
those answer. With the smell, I've

493
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.559
asked that opinion of people numerous times, and I'd say, do you think

494
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.639
it's an environmental thing, because it
would make sense environmentally if you're in a

495
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.079
swamp that you may get certain odors
and things like that. But I tend

496
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.480
to lean towards your theory on that
it's something they secrete because out of all

497
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:12.840
the sightings and all the encounters,
again, it's probably i'd say maybe at

498
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.920
most twenty percent. I think that's
really stretching it that people actually smell some

499
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.800
sort of smell like that. So
I think if it were environmental, I

500
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.280
think we would have a higher percentage
of that. You have to take it

501
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.920
in context with the situation. We
don't like stunks, for instance, can

502
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.159
initiate that smell for defensive purposes.
One on these think I've also considered that

503
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.360
you're in a high stress situation.
I've been in very high stress situations.

504
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.280
I've been shot at. Before you
get auditory exclusion, it's that fight or

505
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.599
flight thing, and that all your
blood rushes to your core because you're in

506
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.039
a fight. You don't hear things
the same, you don't see things the

507
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.159
same, you get tunnel vision,
and you don't smell things the same.

508
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.559
So I've often thought maybe that's why
a lot of people don't report the smell,

509
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.519
because maybe they're smelling it, they
just don't know because they're in one

510
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:07.679
of those high stress sort of combat
situations if you will with a ten foot

511
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.199
eight, or maybe they're smelling their
owns. If you're every one of those

512
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.480
changes, shorts, moments, you
can be smelled at all kinds of things.

513
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.760
Very good point, with all this
speculation and all the things we're talking

514
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.920
about, what for you has been
some of the best evidence that you've ever

515
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.320
seen, whether you've actually examined it
or just something you've seen in a documentary

516
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:37.119
or anything you consider to be quote
unquote the best evidence to prove these things

517
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:45.760
exist. Personally, I've seen tracked
on numerous occasions. I've casted. I've

518
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.039
not ever collected hair samples, but
I've had a number of them sense to

519
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.360
me. I've had some of those
analyzed, and stay tuned for more sasquatch

520
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:01.360
out to see. We'll be right
back after these messages. Some of them

521
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:08.119
just conveniently disappeared, but the vocalizations
I go back to a year and a

522
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.719
half ago. I was contacted by
a buddy of mine, Terry Raims,

523
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.360
who lives in Castle Rock, Washington. Somebody found out that he was involved

524
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:21.360
in Bigfoot got in touch with them
in that same town, and there were

525
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:27.639
some folks who had just bought twenty
acre property on the stream western edge of

526
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:34.079
Castle Rock little Road called Gobbler's Golf. It was literally backed up. They

527
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.000
were the last house on the road
and they were backed up the power lines

528
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:42.920
and trees as far as you could
see going into the coast range. Terry

529
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.559
called me upus says, these people
are scared to death. They have dean

530
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:52.320
tracks. They had a pretty new
orchard, I think it was apples an

531
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.719
orchard, planted the handle ten foot
high deer fencer around it. But they

532
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.119
had found tracks around the out side
of that orchard tense, and they'd been

533
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:08.199
hearing these vocalizations, and they had
a brand new baby, a newborn and

534
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:14.519
a two year old. They called
Arry to just get out here. We

535
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.599
don't care what you do with it. We know what we're dealing with.

536
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.760
And he had gone out there once
before. Then I joined him and his

537
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.719
wife and we went out there.
We set up some game cameras on the

538
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.559
orchard one afternoon, and once we
got those up and we told a lot

539
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.920
of tracking around the property. Unfortunately, those tracks since washed out with the

540
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.519
rain. But we're standing there after
putting up a couple of trail cams.

541
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:45.000
I don't know, two three o'clock
in the afternoon, sat taking break.

542
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:52.519
I'm sitting there at the tailgate of
my truck and we hear this incredible howl.

543
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.239
Nothing hyoeder wolf like at all.
Went on for almost ten seconds.

544
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.519
Whatever it was had some law.
I'm like, where's my taskam, where's

545
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:07.000
my task GAM Just so your listeners, A TASKAM a little digital tape recorder.

546
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.239
It's incredibly pensitive because of digital little
record for three days straight, I'm

547
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.960
like, where do I go?
The taskamre up. I'm a scrambling and

548
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.599
I thought it was just in my
back back of the bed of my truck,

549
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.760
and then I realized it was up
in my cab. I ran up

550
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.519
to my cabin. I found it
on the path of your seat, and

551
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.400
I'm struggling to turn it on.
And as I am, here comes the

552
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.920
second time, maybe I don't know. Twenty five thirty seconds later. Of

553
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.880
course, by the time I got
task cam on, we never heard again,

554
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.199
which is frustrating. But this is
the broad daylight and it was coming

555
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.239
from just on this hill, just
above the house these folks lived in.

556
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:49.480
We're looking at each other like rhetorically
the year that you couldn't help it here

557
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.840
but most recently still I have difficulty
wrapping my head around. But I would

558
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:02.039
say the most recent encounter happened in
October in Nebraska. I had met some

559
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.159
gentlemen that's actually lived on the Omaha
Reservation. They asked me to come out

560
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.880
and help them do some cooking around
because there were some places on the reservation

561
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:17.400
where there were these large groves of
rolling hills with these pretty thick groves of

562
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.639
hardwood's oak and maple and whatnot.
So I got out there. I spent

563
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.400
a week out there, and we
didn't even really talk about going out,

564
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.960
but that apparently was their planning,
and they took me out. I've seen

565
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.280
some by the way, I've been
in touch with them over the internet for

566
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.039
a couple of years, seen some
of the videos. I didn't know what

567
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.440
to think of them. They sent
me a couple of pictures, though they

568
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.320
were convincing enough to me that it
caused me to get on the next flight

569
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.639
out there, get a hotel,
rent a car, go visit them.

570
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:52.079
But we went out Monday through Friday, so five nights, usually around midnight,

571
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.280
to this very rural, very fluted
area. No light, no street

572
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.360
light, no trap, No,
that's a little two lane road. I'm

573
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.000
not sure I already even talked about
this before publicly, but those videos of

574
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.360
his I saw suddenly started making sense. This gentlemen took me out to this

575
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.320
place. The weird thing is,
we never even left the road. We

576
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.800
were like going back in the woods. We were in the woods, but

577
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:22.760
we were parked alongside this road,
and we walked across the road. We're

578
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.159
literally standing on the fog line looking
into the trees, and he would talk

579
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:32.199
in his native language. They'd say, which means hello, gig hole,

580
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:38.599
which means my friend. He'd say, okay, and my friend he's said

581
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:44.119
gigaha. He's come closer. And
I'm looking into the dark trees, like

582
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:49.519
what the hell he talking? And
all of sudden, these lights show up

583
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.239
in the wood, maybe a hundred
yards away, maybe less, maybe a

584
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.119
hundred feet away. I don't know. It's hard to tell depth perception when

585
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.519
you're in the woods. Decides you
don't know, come to light, you

586
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:07.079
don't know how far away. I'm
talking bright life to just blink off.

587
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.519
This is the kind of stuff that
somebody told me. I would just file

588
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.679
it away in though, okay,
whatever, But to be there to see

589
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.920
it with my own eyes was incredible. And I tell you, we saw

590
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.519
that. We went out every night, five nights in a row, mostly

591
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.679
to this place. One time we
weren't getting any activity there and we just

592
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.199
said, he said, I know
another place I've also gotten this reaction,

593
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.800
and it's way off the beaten path. I'm driving this rental car through a

594
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.039
four wheel drive area. I got
to turn this thing in. I can

595
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.840
hardly even see the road through the
four foot high grass. You're still on

596
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.880
the road. Can we get out
there? And again he calls out to

597
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:58.000
them and down the road, usually
in a pair like eyes, occasionally a

598
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.800
single light. And I don't know
if they turn their head one direction or

599
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:05.000
close one eye or what. But
I'm watching this and I'm like, here's

600
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.320
the other thing. Again. I
look at everything from the scientific, natural,

601
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.320
biological perspective, and I might trying
to wrap my head around this figure

602
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.920
out what pretty much what else could
this be. But I have to tell

603
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:22.519
you there were some vocalizations that went
along with it that pretty much convinced me

604
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.840
of its origin. For instance,
one was this very high pitched and this

605
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.199
was on night one I should say
day because it was like one in the

606
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.119
morning. But this high pitch hard
to describe. Its almost like a song,

607
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:42.440
and it would go on for live
seconds and stop for five seconds and

608
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.920
then again for five seconds, top
for five or six seconds, and I

609
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.480
get but I assume it was a
female. But I was almost beautiful to

610
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.679
hear. It was just this really
high pitched in no way tyone's doing this,

611
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.199
but it was just fascinating. Heard
it four times that night, and

612
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.639
all within about a minute. I'll
say another time. The one out there,

613
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.880
my friend is happened to be a
Latter Day Saint Mormon, very religious.

614
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.639
We were out there, I think
it was Wednesday night. We were

615
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.039
not getting activity, and he turned
to me and he said, hey,

616
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.840
I'm going to try something. He
says, I haven't done this for a

617
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.360
while, but sometimes it works sometimes
and get responses when I don't normally get

618
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.880
responses. He said, thought,
I want to stay a prayer with him.

619
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.639
I said okay. And he talked
to them and he said in English,

620
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.280
and he just says, hey,
you go. I want to pray

621
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.559
with you. I want to pray
for you and your family's safety. I

622
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.760
want you to be happy. I
want to introduce you to my creator.

623
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.760
If you want to feel free to
come closer, I'd like to introduce you

624
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.599
to my Savior. And then he
bows his hid and starts praying any English.

625
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.239
So I bowed my head and we're
sitting there. His prayer was probably

626
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.239
a between two and three minutes,
and about a minute into it, I

627
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.480
get this from fairly close and then
we're not seeing the eyes at this point,

628
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.559
but I get this. It does
this four times and I shut my

629
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.760
head down. I waited for the
finish, and when he finally did,

630
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.760
I'm like, dude, was that
dome? And he goes to ye And

631
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.119
there were several situations like that.
I went out during the day once because

632
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.840
before I went to meet it,
the media welve. I hell with that.

633
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.880
I'm going out eleven thirty and I'm
going to check out this place with

634
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.480
the tailor. I want to make
sure there were no ambient lights, preet

635
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.880
life's house lights or something in the
background. But what I came to find

636
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.320
out was the entire background behind where
these things are was a hillside. Okay,

637
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.920
that covers that theory. And I
walked up to the area where we've

638
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.960
been seeing the lights on this ridge
line and I set this tas cam down,

639
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.320
turned it on, or so I
thought I would find out later because

640
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.440
I hadn't used it a while.
You push it once for power, you

641
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.840
have to push it the second time
for the recording day effect. I pushed

642
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.880
it once and oh the red lights
on. Okay, I sent it down.

643
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.800
I'm kicking myself because as soon as
I set that down and stood back

644
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.760
up, here comes a little missing
song off to my probably eleven o'clock or

645
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:22.639
whatever, off to my left and
starts doing this high pitched wailing or singing.

646
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.880
And I'm like, oh my god, because I didn't expect them to

647
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.559
be acting. Knowing they were active
at two three in the morning, I

648
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.639
didn't expect to be active or the
day time. But I'm not only thinking

649
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.639
they're active and they're walking me.
I'm like, oh, I hope I

650
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.199
got that on tape right. I
turned around. I started walking back to

651
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.239
my car on the road, and
I got about ten feet when I heard

652
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:46.239
something like this but very loud.
I guess tree knocks. I don't know,

653
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:52.239
but it was loud. Sounds like
wood on wood six loud knock.

654
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.039
In less than five seconds. I
couldn't believe the rapidness of the docks,

655
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.039
but it was very It was just
packed, and I'm like, okay,

656
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.519
I'm out of here. Didn't mean
to bother you. So those are some

657
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.400
of the things I have experiences of
late Over the years, it's just been

658
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.559
one thing after another. But every
time I come back from the woods,

659
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:20.280
I'd just come back more and more
confidence that what I'm doing is the right

660
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.559
thing. Just real quick, let's
go back to the lights that you were

661
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:28.400
seeing. Was that eye shine or
were these eyes illuminating? What was that?

662
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.320
That's why I'm saying, I can't
grab my hand around And I actually

663
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:36.320
when I got back home, I
started researching bioluminescence. And this is not

664
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:43.840
eye reflection, not to be confused
with eyes reflecting ambient light, like people

665
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:45.880
even get red eye in pictures when
the flash goes off, that kind of

666
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.159
thing. No, this was self
generated. It was in pitch black and

667
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.960
we had no lights on. We
were in pitch black. Whether it's eyes

668
00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.239
shine like they say, I mean, in my research, it sounds the

669
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.960
feeding that of your eyes you're trying
to see in the dark. To interject

670
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.480
light within your own eyes, it
would just be self defeating. You know

671
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.840
what I'm saying. You don't feel
like blinding yourself with your own light,

672
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.079
And like I said, I can't
and I won't say what it is because

673
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.280
I don't know what it is.
All I know is when I've seen fireflies,

674
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.159
you and bugs whatever you want to
call and they look very bright,

675
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:34.360
but they drift through the wood like
humblebees. You can see them. We

676
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.480
don't have them here. I think
you got it where you're at. I've

677
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.159
seen it in Missouri and Arkansas and
other places, but we don't have that

678
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.280
kind of thing here. But I
have seen them. But these lights were

679
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.639
for the most part stationary, but
occasionally they would jift to the left.

680
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.559
They were moving, they would jift
to the right. Sometimes they would back

681
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.880
off, and other times it appeared
they came forward. Oh here's the other

682
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.679
thing. I had my Flear camera
with me, which is the TK scout,

683
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.480
which isn't top of the line by
any means. It has a limited

684
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.960
range. But I put that up
to my eye with my Flare camera.

685
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:14.360
I didn't see any heat fingers at
all. Now I don't get that other

686
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.360
than I can say this, if
you've ever used the Flare camera on a

687
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.079
human dressed in heavy clothing, the
only thing you're going to really get a

688
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.960
heath fignature on is maybe the hands, or the faith or the head if

689
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.719
they're not wearing a hat, but
otherwise it's looking for heat. I almost

690
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:37.079
wonder if their very thick, heavy
coat of hair doesn't play the same role

691
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:44.679
with flair that wearing clothing does.
In other words, the hair itself probably

692
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:51.440
sayesn't transduct the heating to the ends
of the hairtip, and it may be

693
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:53.440
able to play the same role as
clothing. In other words, it may

694
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.679
block their heat signature. And that's
just something I've recently thought about. I

695
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.239
don't know, man. I had
my video camera on them, I had

696
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.239
my cell phone on them. I've
got video of this stuff. I can

697
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.000
send you video where you'll see these
things, and it's just really a cat

698
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:13.599
and mouse game. They'll be there
sometimes when you don't even ask him to,

699
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.480
and then they disappear and then you
call to them, or I started

700
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:22.280
doing these calls that my friend was
doing, talking in the Omaha land wuage.

701
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.519
Other times, just like hey,
come here. I was getting frustrated.

702
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.320
One time, I think it was
probably on Thursday. I was there

703
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.000
Monday through Fred out in the wood. At one time, my friends,

704
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.280
let's go, it's getting late.
I got to get back to the res

705
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.760
or back to the town in the
res because he had the COVID thing going

706
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.960
on, and they were like locking
it down at certain times anybody going in

707
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.159
and out. The only reason we
got out there after midnight was because of

708
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.840
his position in the council. I
didn't want to go. I finally said,

709
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.480
I turned on my flashlight. Shine
it right hand. I'm hoping to

710
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.480
see something. Would you believe with
my very bright I don't know how many

711
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:07.639
limits it is, but with my
bright flashlight, narrow beam right on this

712
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:14.119
eye shines that eye shine actually shined
through and was brighter than my life.

713
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.599
And I dare say they came closer
when I put the light on it.

714
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.199
In fact, at one point I
hit the strobe option, which like flashes

715
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:29.119
three times a second, and they
came closer again, and then easily out

716
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.519
I go. And I went,
ah, damn. But what I saw

717
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:36.719
five nights in a row, in
two different locations. I can almost guarantee

718
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.000
you we could get on playing tomorrow
and meat over there. I could take

719
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.280
it this place and you're going to
see this action. I can almost guarantee

720
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.719
it. And I guarantee you're going
to walk away scratch your head going.

721
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.599
I don't know, I don't know
whether I've just call it like I see

722
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.559
it, and I saw it,
and I filmed it and I heard it.

723
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.000
I'm more confused than one of it
before I left to go there.

724
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.559
Yep, it's the same thing when
I talked to Ron, when he talks

725
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.880
about this things that happened to him
up at the Sierra camp, and Ron's

726
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.760
had some really out there experiences.
I'm in the flesh and blood, so

727
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.079
I look at everything as far as
evidence is concerned. If the evidence doesn't

728
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:14.719
make sense, then the hypothesis doesn't
make sense. But when you have experiences

729
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:20.480
like that, someone just like yourself
who operates very much on the same premis

730
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.599
as I do, when you have
something like that, you scratch your head

731
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.280
and you're like, what the hell
did I just experience. I've always been

732
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.199
open minded, but I'm even more
open minded today than I was six months

733
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.679
ago, based on some of the
people that I've talked to and some of

734
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.840
the experiences they've had that well,
nobody can explain. So I just stay

735
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:45.360
honest about everything, and I try
to relate it to other biological examples of

736
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.639
our world. But my head keeps
getting jacked open. I'm trying to press

737
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.199
it cuts too much, but I'm
not at a player where I'm going to

738
00:56:53.280 --> 00:57:00.480
start a flying paranormal things that no
other animal can do. And it's not

739
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.800
to say these things are unique and
have their own unique capabilities, and frankly

740
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.960
I think they do. But I
want to stay inside the box a little

741
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:14.440
bit and just say, Okay,
let's find another example of this nature before

742
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:20.840
I go off on a tangent and
trying to apply paranormal principles or anything like

743
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.960
that. But I've seen things I
can't explain enough. That's where I'll leave

744
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.519
it. Yeah, it's fascinating.
I often think we don't know enough about

745
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:31.199
these things. It's like Doug Hichak
says, he thinks these things may have

746
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.840
superabilities. That's his word for it, these superabilities that they might have.

747
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:42.199
So what does supernatural mean. It
means beyond what is natural that we know

748
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.559
of. It doesn't mean it doesn't
exist. But I don't have a problem

749
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:52.599
saying it's supernatural because I know five
thousand years ago the ability of a cat

750
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:57.320
see in the dark wasn't know we
were able to dissect that. I had

751
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.239
realized it's got these optic nerves and
these certain charecteric cloud see in the dark.

752
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:07.960
We didn't know two hundred years ago
that acts or dolphins have echo location

753
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:14.199
and they are literally blind as a
back, but they can send through electric

754
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:20.239
fields things that are out there.
Ron's whole thing these days is that a

755
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.599
physic. He wrote a book about
the quantum Bigfoot, I have no run

756
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.559
for many years that I've been in
the field with them numerous times in different

757
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:32.480
areas, pulling Bluff Creek with Peter
Burn his description of quantum theory. He

758
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:40.239
said, at one time microwaves for
quantum theory. They could mathematically calculate that

759
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:47.320
such a field of sound energy exists
before we even do it did, but

760
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:55.000
they couldn't prove it until somebody's grilled
cheese sandwich melted next to a radar and

761
00:58:55.119 --> 00:59:00.119
they fine tune it, and pretty
much every kitchen's got one. So he's

762
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.880
saying, what we're dealing with is
one on physics. We have physical formulas

763
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.639
that say certain things can happen,
but we have yet to prove it.

764
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:14.679
He may be honest. It's like
everything he explains makes perfect sense when it's

765
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.960
coming out of Ron's mouth. I
haven't experienced it. It's not my experience,

766
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:21.400
but it makes sense When Ron says
I think he may be onto something

767
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.880
as well. You've got some projects
that you're working on. What's going on

768
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:28.000
now? You want to talk about
projects first? I know Beachfoot's going on

769
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.039
this year is definitely talk a little
bit about that. Whichever one you'd like

770
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.440
to talk about first. I know
we're running out of time. Let's talk

771
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.840
about something that's already established. Beachfoot
has been around for thirteen years. This

772
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:45.760
year we're celebrating our fourteenth anniversary.
The whole concept of Beachfoot with a brainch

773
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:50.559
out of mind. When I got
to meet all the four horses and when

774
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:55.280
they were still living, Professor Grover
Kraut, John Green, Renanda Hennon,

775
00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.920
and Peter Burr, who's the only
living survivor of that group called the four

776
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.480
Horsemen of the Squadry. Fact.
Peter's a very good friend of mine and

777
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.800
lives just a couple hours away.
We keep in touch quite often and they

778
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.000
have gone on several expeditions together,
but always seem to be some animosity between

779
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.400
them. I like Renee, I
like John. Neither one of them,

780
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:20.840
like Peter and Grover, could give
a crap. But I think a lot

781
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:25.159
of us based on competition, which
I think is a sad factor in big

782
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.440
twitting, because I thought, gosh, if we could all just get along,

783
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.679
we all could just share. And
between those four people there's over probably

784
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:40.280
one hundred and fifty years collectively between
them of research that has been held close

785
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.800
to the vest I'm like, what
would it be like to get these people

786
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.480
in the same room at the same
time. The brain trust of information would

787
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:53.800
be phenomenal if it can only get
them to relax and put their guard down

788
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.719
and talk. My initial thought was, oh, he would be like,

789
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:00.679
get them all in the same room
one time, and then maybe they'd get

790
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.800
along if they really got time to
get to know one another and put aside

791
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.639
their differences. And then I just
took at one worse step, but I

792
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:12.719
said, I think would be better
to get them all in one room at

793
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.119
the same time and try to make
them get along. Is get them all

794
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:20.280
around a big bonfire with an adult
beverage in their hands for three or four

795
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.639
days, let them really get to
know each other, and I think in

796
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.440
doing so we could get beyond these
petty rivalries. So in two thousand and

797
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.119
eight I did just that. I
I had to put out a list of

798
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:38.039
invitations and it was invitation only,
and it still is to this day,

799
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:45.119
which makes it unique in really all
the conferences held around the country every year

800
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.159
in that it's exclusive. It's not
open to the public, invitation only,

801
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.800
just researchers. And I really considered
a retreat, if you will, for

802
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:00.320
researchers because it's in the camping environment. We've held at various locations long the

803
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.800
Oregon coast, and that's why we
call Beachwood. It's just the euphaistic way

804
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:08.079
of combining the beach Bigfoot. It's
amazing. It got to the point where

805
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:14.280
we had people coming from all around
the world, from New Zealand to England

806
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.400
and Russia, Australia and all across
Canada the US. We limited at one

807
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:23.599
hundred people and I'll tell you it's
the only conference that I know of where

808
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:31.880
speakers volunteer to speak and address what
is basically their own constituents. They volunteer

809
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.840
to come there and speak where they
normally get paid to speak, and trust

810
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:42.480
me, their travel expenses far outweighs
the expense of the event, because in

811
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.920
fact, we're a nonprofit and we
don't expect to make money off the deal.

812
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:50.840
So we just basically put together a
budget and we count heads and we

813
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.840
just divided the tivy up and say
it's going to be seventy five dollars for

814
01:02:53.880 --> 01:03:00.719
four days just to pay for the
campground and whatnot. And it's the years.

815
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:06.360
Sometimes we've got musical entertainments to come
in. We actually extended it to

816
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.880
a fort day just for travel purposes
for people that were coming from long distances.

817
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:14.199
So this year is going to be
June twenty fourth through the twenty seventh

818
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:20.119
at River Edge CAMPRAU was ten acre
campground that's private, so when we're there,

819
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.119
we own the whole campground. We
don't have to worry about competing with

820
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.880
campers around us. Over the years, it has just evolved. Let's say

821
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:32.239
it's taken on a life of its
own. It's a very unique gathering.

822
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:37.719
Pretty much everybody who's in it being
big putting, has been there. We

823
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:42.800
have a Facebook page called Beach Foot. I encourage your listeners to go there

824
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:46.199
because if you just go through the
photo gallery, I think they'd be impressed

825
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:51.639
with the people are there. Oh
and I should mention too, if you

826
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.000
go to YouTube and put in beach
Foot, scroll down. There's a very

827
01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:03.440
special presentation that was put together friend
of mine, Ricoriolo, who did a

828
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:12.639
tenth anniversary documentary when we hit that
ten year mark. It's extremely well done.

829
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.360
And I tell you, I tell
people bring some popcorn and a box

830
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:21.039
that's issues because you could just really
pick up on the emotions when he goes

831
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:26.519
around and says, what do you
think, what's your impression of beach Foot?

832
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.079
Some people literally just they get choked
up. They're like, this is

833
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.960
the best thing. And I'm not
bragging. They're like, I've been to

834
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.400
a lot of conferences and this is
the only one that we have this kind

835
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:43.440
of open where you're hanging out with
the researchers and you're sharing things openly,

836
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:48.639
and then the bonfire starts at night
and they hang out and people bring guitars

837
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.880
and all kinds of things. We
have a good time. So looking forward

838
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.599
to that this year. So just
to skip ahead to the projects, the

839
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:02.760
conservancy has four phases and we've actually
crossed a couple of them. One is

840
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:08.400
that well, I was employed,
my wife's employed. We would spend weekends

841
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:14.360
and sometimes with Dave vacations, spend
week in our research areas locally. But

842
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.440
I don't care if I had six
months of leave shaved up in the army.

843
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.400
They're not gonna let you walk off
week here, maybe two weeks there.

844
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:24.559
But today's one with these two of
local research. Now that my wife

845
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:28.840
and I are both retired, we've
got much more time to get out and

846
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.800
do more long term research, so
that we're doing that. Second phase was

847
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.039
for a while my wife and I
were living on a forty two foot motor

848
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:41.760
yacht in the Columbia River near Portland. It's raided as a coastal cruiser,

849
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.280
and we had planned to take it
up to Canada and spend the entire summer

850
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:47.719
up there once I retired. But
a friend of mine got hold of that

851
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:53.920
because it's in our brochures that we
put together, and said, we need

852
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:59.039
to do this now. Explain to
me this was a first nation, the

853
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:03.360
Canadian bushman hunter pick but researcher,
and he said they got to go now

854
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:08.360
because coming out for the next few
weeks or these flam tides, And for

855
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:13.880
thousands of years, my people have
been collecting clowns at this time of the

856
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.119
year, and the bears get out
there, the wolves get out there,

857
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.920
they all dig this, slams up
and eat them, and slams of cockles

858
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:25.440
and mussels and whatnot, and I'm
like, what are you giving me three

859
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.920
weeks? I said, I got
to get together a team. I got

860
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:33.760
to get together money. We need
a boat, and he goes, don't

861
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.519
worry about the boat. I can
get us a boat. I got contacts

862
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:41.760
up in Campbell River on Vancouver Island. If you work on the team and

863
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.760
the money, I'll get the boat. Okay. So, for the first

864
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.719
time of my life, I did
a go of fund me and then those

865
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:54.119
three weeks we actually had over almost
seven thousand dollars donated to three weeks,

866
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.760
and a lot of it from complete
strangers, but it pretty much covered the

867
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.039
trip. We spent six days,
five nights. It's on a fifty foot

868
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:04.400
trawler up in an area called the
broad And Archipelago, and we anchored off

869
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:11.079
five different islands that were uninhabited,
let me just say uninhabited by people.

870
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:15.360
We would come to find out they
were very well inhabited by black bear,

871
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.400
grizzly bear. Well, in one
case we actually got I wouldn't say chased,

872
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:25.400
but pursued by a grizzly. That's
the story it itself. So we

873
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.840
could check that block, even though
it was long duration as I wanted to.

874
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.480
But so our third phase is to
do more long term studies out out

875
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.639
in our research areas. We have
a motor home we can use for the

876
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.360
base camp. We've got all kinds
of toys. We actually got a snubbobial

877
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:46.320
that I've taken out recently because that
was one of the best formats for tracks.

878
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:54.920
And our long term goal is to
raise money to build a Bigfoot interpretive

879
01:07:54.960 --> 01:08:00.159
center up by where we live,
which would be you've been to like all

880
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:05.800
are fast pro right, yep.
I'm talking about a building of that size

881
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:12.639
with the rock facide and the log
structure, a nice big area where we

882
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:17.680
would put together not just a museum, but in art gallery, an amphitheater

883
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:25.000
outside, a theater, inside a
conference room, laboratories, the classrooms,

884
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.720
library of course, the gift shop
and all that offices. And we're talking

885
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:32.199
millions of dollar. Nothing like that's
ever been done before, and I think

886
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:35.680
it would be very successful. And
that's one of our projects right now.

887
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.359
We's got a lot of irons in
the fire. It sounds like it,

888
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:43.000
man. I really appreciate your time. Like I said, I thank you

889
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.960
so much for coming on the show
and sharing the stories and I feel like

890
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.880
we could talk for probably two more
hours, so we would definitely have to

891
01:08:47.920 --> 01:10:11.119
have you back at some point in
time. Oh. Absolutely, I can't.

892
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:38.000
I can't, I can't