1 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,480 What is cracking, lacking hardware knocks listeners and any stragglers who might be coming 2 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:23,800 into this impromptu I'm gonna ramble for a minute in case anyone's actually gonna hop 3 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:27,679 in here doing this unscheduled because I did not predict the Jean Day Murray trade 4 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:32,000 tonight. But also now we have to retackle the Atlanta Hawks future in general 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,280 and anticipation of free agency. So I figure i'd hop on and do it 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,679 here so it's at least live if anything else comes up that will ruin it. 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,560 Thoroughly exhausted, I don't know as we get out of this quick intro 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,159 if anyone can see behind me, if they're watching on YouTube. I have 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,399 like a massive amount of energy drinks and energy powder amino energy at my workstation. 10 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,520 I am on minimal sleep. This is a wild time of year, 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,359 and I always forget. I feel like how wild and how just beat up 12 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:59,520 my body is, and how much energy I do not have. I do 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,119 not recommen and consuming the amount of caffeine that I consume. But we do 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,680 this because it's it's it's fun. It's a lot of fun. And speaking 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,519 of fun, we love transactions. I mean some people don't love transactions, 16 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,359 but transactions are huge part of the off season, and the Spurs and Hawks 17 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,560 just made quite the blockbuster deal and we have to pass through that. I 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,840 think is where to start. Dejan Day Murray is headed to the Atlanta Hawks, 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,439 and the Hawks, in return, are sending out to Neil Gallinari, 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,159 whose salary is now fully guarantees on that I think it's twenty one point five 21 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,560 whatever a million dollar expiring deal. Hawks are also sending the Spurs an unprotected 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,719 twenty and twenty six first round swap and then two unprotected first round picks in 23 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,480 twenty twenty five and twenty twenty seven. That is a pretty significant haul to 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,920 give up what you would consider an all star player, but not a no 25 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:57,879 brainer all star player on a every year basis. So this is like do 26 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,239 I think, look, I'll answer questions they come through the chat podcast special 27 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,040 and why do you think it's an early dive into Lemon Yama? I do. 28 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,120 I actually just wrote about this and tweeted at Meme about it. This 29 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:13,400 is absolutely what the Spurs are angling for is an overall tank job. I 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,759 think from the Spurs' perspective, let's let's start there. Because this is going 31 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,520 to be very hawk centric. Eventually, they were at a point and we 32 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:23,360 kind of saw this admission with the Derek White trade where they weren't good enough 33 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,159 to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were going to be able 34 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:32,560 to build more than this mediocre winner around Jante Murray. You were always going 35 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,039 to end up in this weird space in the draft where yeah, we've seen 36 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,439 the Spurs bag Cornerstone's there before Kawhi Leonard that trade, but it's harder to 37 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:45,800 do. You're not landing in that typical Cornerstone territory, so you were too 38 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 good to land there, but not good enough to beyond the shadow of a 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,360 doubt figure out a pathway to title contention. You either need to get lucky 40 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,000 in free agency, really lucky later on in the drafts Jeremy sow In like 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,919 turn into a star, Josh Primo, Stephen Missell, something along those lines, 42 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:04,280 or you go this route where you load yourself up on draft picks. 43 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:09,120 You get more developmental minutes for the kiddies, and you hope that you're able 44 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:13,439 to either find your next guy in the future drafts or maybe you already have 45 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:16,360 him on the roster, in which case you're gonna have a better chance of 46 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,840 discovering him if Jean Day Murray's not there, since he had a lot of 47 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,599 control over the offense. I also think what they've also done is given themselves 48 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,240 more bites at the apple in general. When you're looking at the pick stash 49 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,039 that they now have. So let's go through this really quickly. They have 50 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,800 all their own first, moving forward, free and clear. They have the 51 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,199 Hornets twenty twenty three pick. It's top six team protected. It will never 52 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:43,800 be better than lottery protected in twenty twenty four, and twenty twenty five turns 53 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,080 into two seconds. If it doesn't convey, I think there's a chance it 54 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,719 won't convey. The Hornets are always iffy. They also have the Hawks twenty 55 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,000 twenty five first, unprotected. They have the Bulls twenty twenty five first, 56 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:57,280 that's top ten protected, and then it's top eight protected in twenty twenty six. 57 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:59,960 If Chicago's gonna keep Zach Levine and de Marta rozen through that time, 58 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,280 it should at least convey. But you also have the twenty twenty six swap 59 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,759 with the Hawks. So if you're better than them, or maybe they're terrible, 60 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:09,960 this sort of doves tails as we get into these future picks. With 61 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:14,080 Dejanta Murray entering free agency, a lot of people don't think he will inevitably 62 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,519 sign an extension because he might be a MAX candidate if things panned out. 63 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,160 You have the hawks twenty twenty seven first round pick, free and clear. 64 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:25,800 So you have just those those two first round pick, the twenty twenty five 65 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,240 and twenty twenty seven just from the Hawks unprotected, plus the twenty twenty eight 66 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:33,120 swap from the Boston Celtics, which is only top one protected, and I 67 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,360 think they're really like net negative. That's going on in the YouTube chat right 68 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:40,959 now, but they're only a net negative I think like one second round pick, 69 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 and they have some industring second rounders to convey there. You're also bring 70 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,000 in three rookies from the top twenty five this year if they need to go 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,959 out. If the right player ever becomes available, two, three, four 72 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,439 years down the line, they either have all these bites at the apple in 73 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:57,240 the draft that could end up being pretty high picks. There's you know, 74 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,800 if things fall apart for the Hawks like they did this year, but only 75 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,800 more so if they lose Murray or if something happens the Celtics. That's they're 76 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:08,399 young, twenty eight, really far away, so if you need to swap 77 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,800 then they just have all these different bites at the apple in the draft or 78 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,839 again, I don't think it'll ever be trade pieces, sort of like the 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,319 Oklahoma City Thunder. But again, you've given your self flexibility. So this 80 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,040 was clarifying to me. I do think we over romanticize draft picks, but 81 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,360 the Spurs were stuck in the middle, and this gave them a concrete direction 82 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,600 and then the unpredictability in their range of outcomes of what comes moving forward. 83 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,240 That's also an asset here. And so it's not saying that de Jeante Murray 84 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,160 wasn't good. He was great. I just had a pocrist where I advocated 85 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,920 against trading for him without knowing the hall obviously, I think he could have 86 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:46,279 kept him and trying to figure out some things. But now they're set up 87 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,199 to really to work to plumb the depths of their their youth. The chat's 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,240 going off right now. They're probably gonna let Lonnie walk. That'll probably be 89 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,000 my guest. I also think, look, it's gonna be open season on 90 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,879 the rest of their players. Jaka Purdle final year of his deal, one 91 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:05,279 of the league's best rim protectors. There's also Doug McDermott. He's a little 92 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:08,319 bit on the higher end when it comes to being priced, but if you 93 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,399 want a functional shooter away from the ball, can also finish at the ram 94 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,920 off of movement, that's someone that should interest teams. Josh Richardson, I 95 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:19,000 thought, quietly had a really good year for Boston and San Antonio. He's 96 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,199 in the final year of his deal. What can you get for him? 97 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:26,040 And I don't I wouldn't expect him to go this route now, but I 98 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:30,319 would keep an eye on Kelton Johnson Junior, just because he's still really young. 99 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,360 But are the Spurs he's extension Olgeble now restricted free agency next summer? 100 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:38,519 Are you going to pay anyone when you're in the infancy of your rebuild? 101 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,720 By that logic, some people would say, well, then why don't you 102 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:43,519 think Devin Vassell is going to be available? Vassell just has that extra year 103 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,399 lefton's rookie scale. Mulso higher on Vassell moving forward. That being said, 104 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:51,000 I do think Keldon Johnson proved to be more plug and play on the offensive 105 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:55,079 end last year, and you can move him around defensively. I'm just saying 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,040 teams might call about him because the Spurs are clearly going in this future driven 107 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:03,120 directive. I don't know what they're going to to do with him, but 108 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:08,199 my guests would be Peartle Richardson. Those two will definitely be moved either before 109 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,560 this season or leading into this season. And then I keep an eye on 110 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,000 McDermott and so I'm fine with this for the Spurs. I'm probably a little 111 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,920 sad that if this is gonna be coach pop Swan song, that we don't 112 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:25,480 see him coaching a more competitive team, But maybe the Spurs surprise us. 113 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:28,839 Maybe he's planning on coaching longer. I will also say, when you base 114 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,519 it on just his sideline activity and the way he speaks in pressers, there's 115 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,959 been like this energy about him the past couple of years that I've really enjoyed, 116 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,439 and so maybe he just really likes the molding the kiddos part of this 117 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,360 entire process. Somewhere at Quinn, Snyder is probably looking at the Spurs and 118 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,240 like, oh, if they you know, if they end up with Victor 119 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,040 and I just come out of my hiatus from this year. But yeah, 120 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,240 I'm that's like the only downside for me here, it's you took a hit 121 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,879 immediately. But I think that when you look at the West with a healthy 122 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:01,600 or if you want to stay healthier, if you don't believe they'll be healthy, 123 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,560 Clippers Nuggets team baking that into the Sun's probably won't go anywhere if Chris 124 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:09,800 Paul and Devin Bookers are still gonna be there regardless of what happens with Eton. 125 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:15,079 You have the Mavericks, though they're about lose John Brunton, so there's 126 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,439 some uncertainty at the top. There's no guarantee the Lakers are just good next 127 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,360 year either. Don't please spare me just thinking. But Minnesota's on the rise. 128 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,160 The Pelicans are gonna get Zion back. That's a team to watch as 129 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,360 well. The Blazers should be better if if they're healthy, now is the 130 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:30,600 time to sort of move out of that. And you also you kind of 131 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,120 look at okay se consolidating those three conditional picks to get Jeremy so in at 132 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,879 number eleven. That kind of shows that, hey, maybe they're moving into 133 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,039 a different stage of their rebuild. They've already paid Shay, maybe they're going 134 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,480 to be more aggressive here, So the timing just couldn't be better to make 135 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:50,120 this move as tough as as it is. The podcast special nys. If 136 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,200 we have any plans to go live on Free Agency opening Day, I do 137 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,759 not at the moment, just because my full time job at Police Report, 138 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:00,480 I am nuts all the time during this time of year, and so since 139 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,080 this podcast is not a part of that, it is a secondary concern because 140 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,320 I have I have bills and a mortgage to pay in case anybody, in 141 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,080 case anybody cares, but I've been trying to put out as much content as 142 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,279 possible. Check out. We've published like six pods over the past four days 143 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,919 or whatever it is. Maybe I'll go live at the end or earlier in 144 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,240 the day, but I will try to do as much content as possible, 145 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,639 and I really enjoy I know there's only a few people in here right now 146 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,039 because I don't schedule these things in advance. I also we have a very 147 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,799 modest following, even though I love every single one of you. I appreciate 148 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,600 all the engagement. I really like talking to everyone in the comments and our 149 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:37,639 discord. Go join our discord, and Joshua says in the chat, better 150 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:39,639 be really bad than just to consistently make the play. And I mean, 151 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,279 I'm with you. I think some people who are outside team bubbles, like 152 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,120 myself, can be too callous at times. But like the Spurs were kind 153 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,360 of stuck in this limbo since they moved on from Kawhi Leonard. I like 154 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,919 the idea of skewing one way or the other. And this look from what 155 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:03,320 I've watched, like some highlights of a Victor after dub I'm fascinated by him. 156 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,799 I don't know that I've ever seen a prospect like him. I haven't 157 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,879 delve deep enough. But everyone who's smart is just saying like this is can't 158 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:13,679 miss. I know people have been trolling the Spurs and there I think they've 159 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,360 fallen though, Oh it's just they're over romanticizing draft picks or look at what 160 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,200 the lottery odds are when they're smoothed. That's still the best way to build 161 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,159 is through the draft. And you're still even if the words not, even 162 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,039 if you're disincentivized to all out tank, the best way to maybe get a 163 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,679 player like Victor is to have a bad record and higher odds in the draft. 164 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,840 If you want lottery reform, still you need to disincentivisee it to the 165 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,559 point where teams aren't going to think that way at all. I don't have 166 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,799 a problem with what the Spurs did here. I'm curious to hear what Spurs 167 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,080 fans will think about what I think about this deal for the Hawks. I 168 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,600 don't think it was an egregious price to pay. You have Trey Young, 169 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,799 so I think you can consider that those three picks you gave up are gonna 170 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,039 be middle rung at best. At the same end, the other thing is 171 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,639 Dejante Murray fits like a glove on the defense for Atlanta. You all, 172 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,360 you're gonna have to stash Tray Young no matter what. The difference here is 173 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,440 is that Dejante Murray is now just an option to throw out the other team's 174 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,240 best perimeter player, almost without condition. Like you know, he's not gonna 175 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:16,799 go defend Lebron James or something like that, but he can be his length, 176 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,159 his disruption. He's just ubiquitous, and the passing lanes on and away 177 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,720 from the ball, he's impossible to scream he is. I will change the 178 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,120 discord link in the YouTube description at at some point. I don't know why 179 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,399 what I did. The discord link that is not working. People said it 180 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,000 wasn't working on mobile, works on desktop. I apologize. I'll try and 181 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,559 fix that at some point. Hashtag I suck. I don't know what else 182 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:45,240 to say. I love the defensive fit and Murray is fantastic. I have 183 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,639 questions about the offensive fit because I think this theory that move Trey On off 184 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,879 the ball. And the one thing I'll say really quickly Jejante Murray instantly beefs 185 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,879 up the no Trey lineup. So those were still an issue. Last year. 186 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,080 The Hawks had some success when Delon Wright bogs on Madanovitch, we're on 187 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,200 the court without him. Murray makes those units better, even if you keep 188 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:09,200 Delan right or whatever. So that's one with Trey Young. There's this idea 189 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,080 that he can be someone who's moved off the ball, creates this this havoc. 190 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,120 He's Carlin Riley says Dejan das slim Jim Paul George on d I'm throwing 191 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:22,200 that up on the screen. That's that's hysterical and probably very apropo Bubba really 192 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,879 quickly, Where can I watch the Wizards free agency vid you did earlier in 193 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:30,000 the day. That should be just living on YouTube so, and it will 194 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,320 also be in the podcast feed after this. I'm trying to I'm recording forty 195 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,120 percent of our offseason outlook through the Southeast Division because I made the wrong choice. 196 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,200 I went with Central since I had to rerecord the Pistons one digressing there. 197 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,039 But offensively, Murray has come a long way. His ball control in 198 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,360 the pick and rolls a lot, better decision making in transition, lower turnover 199 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,720 there as well has the mid range game, of which which to speak, 200 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,279 I wouldn't call him a complete non shooter. Is he worth moving Trey Young 201 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,879 off the ball for possessions? Maybe the space in Atlanta could get a little 202 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:03,840 tight if Capella is playing minutes, if the defenses don't care about leaving John 203 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:07,120 Collins open, Who's a good, not great shooter. The other thing to 204 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:13,799 consider here is can Trey Young operate like that we just in theory? Oh 205 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,360 my god, what if he's like Steph Curry and just paying around screens. 206 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,600 He's not as strong as Steph Curry. I don't know if he would just 207 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,360 hold up through that constant motion. That's not something we've seen from him at 208 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,360 all either, And we've just never even seen the Hawks. I don't know 209 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,000 if it's a coaching thing, was it a personnel thing. It definitely was 210 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,679 personnel driven to some extent, But I think you could argue, like the 211 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,159 past two years, they could have tried again going off the ball more. 212 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,759 But these numbers they didn't surprise me, but they're still a little staggering. 213 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:41,120 So last year, over eighty three percent of Trey Young's made baskets went unassisted. 214 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,120 That's the fourth largest share in the league among ninety six players who averaged 215 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,039 at least thirty minutes per game. He ranked fourth in that same category in 216 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,200 twenty twenty one, sixth in twenty nineteen, twenty and twenty, and ninth 217 00:13:52,279 --> 00:14:01,240 in twenty eighteen nineteen. So we've never seen that version. I'm glad to 218 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,600 get the block. Discord link is work, and I guess I'll transfer that 219 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:05,960 one. I'm really like, I'm a mess with the Discord link and I'm 220 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,000 sorry, I don't I don't know why. I don't know what Tredy Young 221 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,399 looks like in that role. I think you definitely have to have a willingness 222 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,440 to try it. Is Murray the perfect point guard to do it. I'm 223 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:16,840 I don't think guard. Whatever you wanna call them. I don't think he 224 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,840 is. That being said, the defensive juice he provides is huge to Atlanta. 225 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,559 I also, you look at this roster now, and there's more moves 226 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,039 to be made. You could play Murray and Compel. I'm not saying you 227 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,519 can't. I mean Murray just played with Peartle, so more dynamic. Peartle 228 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,399 has the floater which Capella does not. I think I would probably fall in 229 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,000 my chair if I saw a Clink Coopela start taking floaters. But I I 230 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,799 just I look at the roster. They didn't get any like Leaner in the 231 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:48,200 depth chart. They're still built for a consolidation move. We know John Collins 232 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,840 wants out at this point. He was painted as almost a gonner leading into 233 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,279 the draft, only not to get moved. I think you can make the 234 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,679 case that if you're John Collins, this team should be on paper like how 235 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:00,559 its peak should be a lot higher. At the same time, he wants 236 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:05,159 a bigger role, which the Hawks are actually in a worse position to give 237 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,600 insofar as they were ever going to give him one. Capella is still going 238 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:11,679 to be your primary screener on Yeka kan who continues to get better if if 239 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,799 he's healthy, going to throw this up on the screen as well. The 240 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:20,080 other thing is now yea Bogdan Madonovitch, dejan Day Murray, Trey Young even 241 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:24,240 throw Kevin Herder into that, like, you're not all of a sudden going 242 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,320 to have the license to expand your your floor game even more. Here straight 243 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,200 up, So if you really want the bigger role, it's not happening in 244 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,840 Atlanta. Maybe they trade Clink Capella and that allows you to return to your 245 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,440 primary screen or duty. But I do believe the offensive role he's looking for 246 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:41,519 is not in Atlanta. Do I think that means they're going to move him. 247 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:43,840 Maybe they want to recoup some of their draft picks. And we know 248 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,440 that they're a team that's going to be worried about paying the tax if they 249 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:52,120 have to go in there, which inevitably they will this season. Ironically, 250 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,639 so the Gallow trade actually saves them money. The Gallow trade, the de 251 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,120 gen Te Trae actually saves the money because they get off Gallows twenty one point 252 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:04,320 five million for someone who's making less in de Jante Murray, who's on the 253 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:10,879 books for sixteen point six million, So you're saving over five million dollars there, 254 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,799 and it's you know even that basically is the difference of what it was 255 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,200 going to cost to wave Gallo is he only had the partial guarantee. It's 256 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,320 guarantee now, but you would have spent five million had that demoney on your 257 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,080 books, or waved it and stretched it over three. So what you do 258 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:29,240 now is you probably might have access between that. The salary cap projection was 259 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,639 a little bit higher than we expected, by like one point two million. 260 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,960 I had them about thirteen million dollars below the apron. That was enough for 261 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,879 room to use the nontax players mid level, But would they do it while 262 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:44,600 still going into the tax. They're now more than ten million below the tax. 263 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,639 If I'm not mistaken, that frees you up to go out on the 264 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,600 free agency market, continue improving your team. And again this is all to 265 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:56,039 say, we haven't seen if there's other moves for them left in the chamber. 266 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:02,360 So we are getting spammed in the chats here. I'm gonna block that 267 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,720 user. I don't worry you guys, unless anyone wanted porn bots Joshua Warrent 268 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,680 such with the Hawks, I would try and trade for Gobert. I wasn't 269 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,039 high I was okay with this to begin with. But if you're gonna have 270 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Murray on the court in addition to Gobert, that spacing could get a little 271 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,279 tight. And then who's your four in that scenario, because that's gonna cost 272 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,480 you John Collins and Clint Capella and you're not you don't have first round equity 273 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,799 to include, which I think Utah would demand. If you want to just 274 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:37,920 build the Joshua the defensive beast around Trey Young and you had John to Murray, 275 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,839 Rudy Gobert, go for it. If you're able to keep it DeAndre 276 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,559 Hunter in that hell, go for it. But I think this makes it 277 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,720 substantially less likely. It's more, what would a Collins move alone get you, 278 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,440 because you're not even partnering him with stuff at this point. Given the 279 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,920 picks that you already threw out there, I mean you could technically still trade. 280 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,799 You have your own twenty twenty three pick, said jone need to convey 281 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:02,839 one of the spurs until twenty five. But I don't know what that gets 282 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,000 you. I think they could still use a wing. The trade I propose 283 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,200 that will never see Garlands. No, we have to pivot here. Garlands 284 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:15,400 Garland Riley, I'm so, I'm so disappointed Eighten, eighten. You want 285 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,599 to max out Eighten. I'm just I'm not about it. It's gonna cost 286 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,480 you, and you're not the only one that said us, but my Garland, 287 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,920 I'm just I'm being an asshole here. I don't see it like he's 288 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,279 probably more. He is more dynamic things like cappela on offense, but he's 289 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:32,440 not actually like a floor spacer. And the thing is to even under base 290 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:34,920 your compensation, it gets so complicated. You're you're now not really getting out 291 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,960 of this. Yeah, you could use Capella, which works for the Suns, 292 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:44,359 but the Hawks don't have the cap space to take in just let's say 293 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,359 DeAndre in at thirty million while sending out Cappella. They need to include more 294 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,000 money, but the Suns would not be able to take back more money unless 295 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,799 that deal is expanded. That's just the weird base compensation rule inside and trades, 296 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:59,359 which affect predominantly rookie extensions. I don't I don't know that that's where 297 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:00,880 you want to funnel your money, and I think are you giving up? 298 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,519 So whether it's too it's not going to be to Phoenix straight up, but 299 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:07,880 that move is going to cost you Clint Cappela and then more players or more 300 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,640 probably Clint Capella and John Collins if he's going somewhere else. I don't think 301 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:18,440 DeAndre Ayton is good enough for the Hawks to jump through through those hoops. 302 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:21,240 The trade that I did propose, that is never going to say the light 303 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,440 of a day except for now because Grant and I, my fantastic colleague from 304 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,559 Bleacher Reports slash Quasi, co host of this podcast, discussed it and I 305 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,160 wanted thoughts in the chat. If you're listening to this on the podcast, 306 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,920 let me know what you think. This is the framework it would be o 307 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:44,079 Gianna, Nobi, Kem Birch, and Malachi Flynn for John Collins and DeAndre 308 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,599 Hunter. I wonder if that's enough for the Raptors to bite. My instinct 309 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,759 says the Hawks might think that's too much for their sort of blood. You 310 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:56,400 would have the option of using Cappella instead of Collins because of how much defense 311 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,680 Toronto has, and maybe you want to play Collins at the five role, 312 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:03,720 four out around Murray and have Frey Young in there. That's the type of 313 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,039 move I could see them making where it's consolidation, not into a superstar. 314 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:14,559 But Ogeanna Noby on this team with Murray, with Clint Capella, that is 315 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,960 a hell that is a hell of a combination, and so that's the dream 316 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,400 target. I don't think Toronto wants to give up Ogeanna Noby and John Collins 317 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:27,359 is not their type of player. And look, everyone, everyone thinks that 318 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,759 they just drafted their big of the few. I also look, the other 319 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,559 thing is, I don't think Toronto need the big like you have Pascal Siaka, 320 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,160 Lutino Ogana and Nobi defend fives in the past. Toronto Raptors fans think 321 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,079 they have their big man of the futuring in Christian Coloco. Maybe you do. 322 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,599 That's just food for thought. The Raptors need some more offensive Jews in 323 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:47,000 the half court themselves. John Collins is plug in play, but maybe you 324 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,359 explore his floor game a little bit. That's sort of what I proposed for 325 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,880 the Hawks. I don't know if anyone else sort of becomes available here that 326 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,240 would be worth including Collins, though, when we run the gamut of and 327 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:00,240 this is going to be a lot of recycling from the talk that I had 328 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,559 with Grant that again, we'll never see the light of day Rip. Where 329 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:06,000 else are you sending Collins at this point? Like, what is the other 330 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:08,200 trade target? We've We've mentioned Dayton, We've now mentioned o Gianna Obi, 331 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:14,440 The Pickens are are sort of slim out there. John Collins will be interesting 332 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,319 in Memphis, but like, what are you making that trade for? And 333 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:22,799 the Grizzlies are just not a team that's gonna go that route. Does Minnesota 334 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:26,039 have the assets? No, they don't or even really the personnel. I 335 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,119 think the Atlanta, which complicates this needsn't wing. Probably at this point it 336 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,440 would be if okay, so you decided to go to Spurs route and ship 337 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,079 out, say you can't even get him anymore. You give so many picks, 338 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:38,559 but sha de Jeante Murray and Tray would be so unconventional. But I'd 339 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:44,599 watch the hell out of that. I just I'm going through it and I 340 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,240 don't see like the trade target. There's the John Collins, Harrison barn stuff. 341 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,599 I don't understand that for either team. Really, Barnes is not a 342 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,920 wing. I guess it helps more now that you have Murray in addition to 343 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:59,640 Hunter, and so Barnes can exclusively defend fours. I hate Collins and sabonus 344 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,240 together and Sacramento. They can work on offense, but what does that do 345 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,599 on defense? Washington's not gonna have an interest in Collins. Boston is not. 346 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,319 They've apparently kicked the tires. But you're unless you're trading things, like 347 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,480 do you think that you're just trying to turn Collins into assets that you can 348 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:19,240 then turn around and see who becomes available later? Does a team like you 349 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:22,359 know, like how desperate does Dallas get? How many distant picks are they 350 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,400 willing to trade? Or is that the route you would go with Memphis? 351 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,759 Like that's the pathway. It would be salary filler and future picks. You're 352 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,200 not getting Desmond Baine. I don't even know if you get ze Here Williams 353 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,839 for John Collins at this point from them, you don't need Tyler Hero from 354 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:37,920 Miami, even if they're offering first round picks. Minnesota I don't think has 355 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,960 enough of the players to satisfy really who you're looking for. New Orleans has 356 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:47,720 really no need for a John Collins with Zion Williams in there. We have 357 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:51,240 back over this chat. Yeah, Oscar Hazel did say, Harrison Barnes, 358 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,759 I do not. I'm just not crazy. I think you need I would 359 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:59,319 want something else for Collins and the Kings are not the team to give it 360 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119 to you. If they are, then hell yeah, let's let's do this. 361 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,640 Joshua says lou Dort would be great for the Hawks. Yeah, that's 362 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000 interesting, but he's so cheap. What are you giving up for lou Dort? 363 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,640 It would want to like for future first round equity? Or do they 364 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,359 want on Ya Kong Wu? Are they high on Jalen Johnson? Are they 365 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,559 high on a J. Griffin? You could go that route, but man 366 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,519 Dort, Jante Murray on the same team would be that'd be unfair for a 367 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:23,839 lot of a lot of other teams. So I think that, like, 368 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,680 that's the route that you could still go if you're Atlanta. For sure is 369 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,640 look at trades, but that feels like a situation where the trade market would 370 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:37,519 have to develop something that we're not seeing right now, and I don't I 371 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:40,119 can't even spot the team. I normally fanks myself pretty good at saying like, 372 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,920 oh this team would come out of left field, I can't see it 373 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,039 now, or maybe they settle for that that King's deal. But the Ogann 374 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,000 and Obi stuff is the best I could come up with. I don't know 375 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,559 which. Again, feel free to h tell me whether you think that that's 376 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,279 that's a framework that could potentially work. Oscar says, Heyward and PJ for 377 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:03,279 Collins. I think you need more stuff from Charlotte for that. So yeah, 378 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:10,079 Haywards deals just like two years sixty plus million PJ. Washington would be 379 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,799 interesting. I don't know if you're not hurting your defense. It's probably lateral 380 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,640 here though, But that's again, Charlotte is a team I guess that could 381 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,599 theoretically want to kick the tires. They have Mark Williams and Ki Jones. 382 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,240 Maybe they view Collins as like a nice match with them. If you're bringing 383 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:26,400 back Miles Bridges, though, that gets a little weird. So yeah, 384 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,400 I'm at a loss. I think the Hawks are probably gonna try and do 385 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:36,599 more damage in free agency. I really liked Victor Oladipo for them before the 386 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,039 Murray trade. I no longer like him as much unless you're bringing him off 387 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,039 the bench. You could go the route of if you're looking to show up 388 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,440 defense, does the non taxpayers mid level get you a Calebero? Cody Martin? 389 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,279 Can I get you on your coffee? Just guys who could be moved 390 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,079 around. Positionally, t J. Warren arguably makes even more sense for this 391 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,599 roster right now, I'm just looking at what they could need someone who just 392 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,119 can play pure wing minutes. But maybe you downsize a little bit there. 393 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,279 The wing market in free agency is just it's really it's thin at this point. 394 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:07,599 I would still bring back the lawn, right. That would be where 395 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,319 it it's difficult. Is can you spend the non tax perramid level and bring 396 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,880 back the lawn right? My guess is no, It depends on how much 397 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,519 it costs. But I don't think you're gonna be able to do that, 398 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,359 So you could just bring back the lan right that. Could you maybe decide 399 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,119 to go, well, we want like a higher end defender there and bring 400 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,000 Garry Payton a second? Are you too small with having him, Murray and 401 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,680 Trey Young operating in your in your back court there? If you're looking for 402 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,559 the super cheap route Daniel House, I don't think he's someone who like maybe 403 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,240 he goes for biannual type money rather than the mid level exception, do you 404 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,160 take a flyer on once it's Donald Anderson with all the Warrior's rotation Damien Lee 405 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,240 is someone who also from the Warriors who can move a lot on defense. 406 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:52,559 Is that someone that you potentially consider I am. I'm like Mason, Milazo, 407 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,400 Copella and Collins for Randall and Robinson sign and Tray, Yeah, I 408 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,680 do that. Please God. The Knicks are They're fucking terrible. I can't 409 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,079 even talk about the Nick anymore than I already have Hawks free agent targets otherwise, 410 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,440 just like, it's just such slim pickins. And I don't even know 411 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,319 if they're going to spend that tax the non tax payramid level because you might 412 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,799 again just need to funnel that into the lone right Murray, I do think 413 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:18,200 makes it less likely that he's back, and so it's slim pickins there too. 414 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,240 But I do still think that you signing someone in free agency's more likely 415 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,400 than making an impact move from the trade market, unless there's just a cup 416 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,559 excuse me, a Collins deal that I'm not seeing. I thought about, 417 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:29,799 maybe be deark Jones junior for this team. If he's going to sign for 418 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,680 the minimum, can you get Kyle Anderson even for the non tax payramid level 419 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,920 exception? At this point, I'd be very interested to see. Maybe not 420 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240 enough shooting and he's not the best defender. But is there a deal that 421 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:45,799 could get Kelly Ubre to Atlanta? We know that Charlotte's gonna be looking at 422 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,240 cut money in advance of signing Miles Bridges. Atlanta is not you know, 423 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,319 they don't have blank check salary or like these super intriguing expiring contracts to send 424 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,559 out right now. But you could in theory get their building something like you 425 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,720 know, to do you value Kelly brid Junior more than you value Kevin Herder. 426 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,480 That's actually a trade that I hate that I hate for both teams, 427 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,079 believe it or not. So Kelly brid Junior works via trade, but I 428 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,960 don't think the Hawks have the equity that makes sense to go out and get 429 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:19,200 him. Other free agents here for them, and so many of them we 430 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,200 were going through other point guards like Tyas Jones made sense before the Murray trade. 431 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,559 I don't think you want to burn your non tax payermid level on a 432 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,319 on another guard at this point, even though you still couldn't theory use one 433 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,400 like bring then right back. Sure, that's fine, they could have. 434 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,279 I thought, like, could they be involved somehow? I thought in a 435 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:40,000 casey p trade, that's that's a no go because of what happened with Washington. 436 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,799 If they were willing to play him and they're they're really looking to sort 437 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:47,599 of scrape the battle of value. PJ Dojer would be an interesting fit here. 438 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,240 You could skew like even more towards versatility, not lockdown defense. But 439 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,759 say you don't want the Nabby can play a bunch of different positions for you 440 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,599 if he is healthy. Like that is the level of player that we're talking 441 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,119 about. Even again, even the mid level candidates, like yeah, West 442 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,839 Matthews still makes a ton of sense here, and I wouldn't give them mid 443 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,880 level, but West Matthews age thirty five. Could you be a team that's 444 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,400 willing to wait on Joe Ingles age thirty four. He's probably been working out 445 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,200 in Portland, and I think Portland's gonna go the human trade exception route where 446 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:26,640 they sign him or guaranteed Bletso's contract and just try and flip those two acquire 447 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720 someone via trade the middle of the season or before the off season's over. 448 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,160 It couldn't be in the off season if you resigned Ingles. Just an FYI, 449 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,160 Bruce Brown, I'd probably prefer Gary Payton the second here. I trust 450 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,319 his shooting a little bit more than Bruce Brown's. Again, are you just 451 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,720 too small with Murray and Young both under six five? And then you're gonna 452 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,400 added Gary Payton in second or Bruce Bown in the rotation? Yeah, that's 453 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,799 fine. Could you play all three of them together? Though I would have 454 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240 some skepticism about that, I would absolutely try it because I'm a fan of 455 00:28:52,559 --> 00:29:00,640 very unconventional lineups. Someone wants to talk about the Kings. We've talked about 456 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480 the King's plenty. I said nice things about them. Them Renouncing Dante Devenchenzel 457 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,880 though, was weird. Maybe that's a fit in Atlanta still on the smaller 458 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,680 end, and I don't know what you trust him to do defensively, But 459 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,720 like that is just that was just a wild decision by them. I still 460 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,039 don't even fully understand it. He didn't have a good year coming back from 461 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,480 injury last season, and he wasn't like stand out for them. It was 462 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,319 still just just a weird to make that trade and then to whatever we know 463 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,920 the Hawks also to get back to them renounced Kevin Knox. He's not gonna 464 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480 be your shiftfra agent. He's gone. Do they still have a needs for 465 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,119 Georgi Jang. He's a non bird UFA. I don't think you'll have a 466 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,200 huge market, But depending on what you do with Collins and then Delan Right, 467 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,559 I would still look at bringing him back. They have his his bird 468 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,480 rights, but you're probably not knowing them unless they're willing to go into the 469 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:49,000 tax you're not paying Delon Right and having the non tax payer. Also, 470 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,000 what's interesting is both DeAndre Hunter and Bogdan mcdonovitch or extension eligible here. I 471 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,359 don't think Hunter against an extension, just he hasn't shown enough the ability to 472 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,000 stay healthy and his offense kind of stagnated last year. And I don't even 473 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,839 think he was like a great defender for them, even though he's among their 474 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400 best options at the point of attack, because he was by default among their 475 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,240 only options. But Abdonna's extension might make some sense. But now that you 476 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,039 know you're gonna eventually have to pay Murray and you already have Kevin Hurder under 477 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:17,359 block and keeper for years, I think you look less at that, And 478 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,279 Bogdanovitch had his own sort of health issues, so I look the Hawks addressed. 479 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,039 Arguably they're too biggest needs in the Murray trade. Which was a secondary 480 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:29,640 creator to move Trey off the ball, help carry liners without him, and 481 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,880 then wing at defense just point of attack defense. How can you further that 482 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,200 here? And I don't know what the alchemists too, John Collins trade, 483 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,839 knowing he wasn't involved with the Spurs, is there a way to just get 484 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,160 him on board with what's happening? Because this team, a lineup of Quint 485 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,119 Capella, John Collins, Dejanta Murray, Trey Young, and DeAndre Hunter makes 486 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,000 so much sense. And then you have Kevin Hurder and Bogdanovitch coming off the 487 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,039 bench, Onyeka Kungu as well, Like that's a really good eight man rotation, 488 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,039 really good non man rotation if you're throwing Delon right in there. And 489 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,599 this says nothing about I still really love Jill and Johnson and think he's someone 490 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,839 you could move around positionally a ton if you're gonna get lu Dort. I've 491 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,279 kind of wondered if that's would get you lou Dort. And then there's also 492 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,079 a j Griffin, who a lot of people loved coming out. It doesn't 493 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,720 look like they're set up to give him minutes next season, but this team 494 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:22,160 is like nine or ten now really interesting guys. That's assuming that they consider 495 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,960 bringing back Delon Wright still. So this is like, I'm I'm endlessly, 496 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,799 endlessly fascinated with every team. I say this to every team. But I 497 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720 was already kind of curious what the Hawks we're gonna do? And but now 498 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,799 you acquire John Thay Murray without doing anything with John Collins, I don't know 499 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 where you go next. They would be look if if shit still hits the 500 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,279 fan in Brooklyn, I guess you've given up too much picks to get into 501 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,319 Kevin rant sweepstakes, but you have like the players, Like can you parlay 502 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,640 combinations of Collins and Hunter and on Yaka kong Wu and Picks and Joe and 503 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,640 Johnson, A J. Griffin, some of them going to Brooklyn, some 504 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,839 of them going to other teams that gets Brooklyn to to say yes, there 505 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,240 perhaps, But I think you're probably looking at stuff that's smaller scale from the 506 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,720 Hawks moving here, even though they have a fringe allstar and John Collins who 507 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:14,240 appears to be eminently available another trade. I thought about what it was like 508 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,079 a and I guess maybe the Clippers wouldn't have interest in Kevin Hurder even though 509 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,200 he's better than Luke Kenard, but like Bugdanovich, if you wanted a Marcus 510 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,599 Morris senior depends on how you feel about Marcus Marcus Morris senior excusally coming out 511 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,119 of that because you are sacrificing some shot creation there. That's a type of 512 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,759 player though, that they could really use. I like Marcus Morris Senior on 513 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,240 this team, probably a little bit better. Maybe I'm better than Harrison Barnes 514 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,519 defensively, I like him better than Harrison bars maybe some small ball five there. 515 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,680 I'm not moving Collins for Harrison Barnes, like the Kings need to be 516 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,160 including a pick there, and that's if they move Collins. I could see 517 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,039 them going that route in the end where it's, oh, we decided to 518 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,000 get some picks in addition to one player that we can use because we're trying 519 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,440 to keep ourselves flexible and lean moving forward. But I don't think this was 520 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,799 an unwarranted trade for the Hawks. But they're definitely rolling the ice here because 521 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,319 if they're at full strength, if everything works out, I do think that 522 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680 they would be one of the top teams in these like right now, looking 523 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,000 at the Hawks on paper, if they stay the same, Who do we 524 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:13,720 know will be better. We know that the Bucks will be better. Please 525 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,039 don't ask me to include the Nets here. I mean, if they're healthy, 526 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,240 with Ben Simmons and Kyrie and Kevin Durant remaining healthy, I mean sure 527 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:23,200 those two teams. There's of course Boston is still going to be there. 528 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,680 Miami, yeah, I mean, they're not gonna just blow it up. 529 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,039 And if they do, it's to get like real players. They're apparently meeting 530 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,319 with John Brunson. I might throw the Sixers in here. They're projected they 531 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,759 get PJ. Tucker. Harn's apparently in good shape. Looks like he might 532 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,920 take a pay cut too. PJ Tucker on the Hawks would be sick. 533 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,039 Mason says, I don't disagree. PJ. Tucker will be sick on like 534 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,599 every team, Which is why I can't believe that Miami can't do anything aside 535 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,319 from offer PJ Tucker essentially the same money, the non tax payramid level that 536 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,599 the Sixers seem to prepare to offer him. If they're not willing to offer 537 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,400 him that, maybe they have other plans for their non tax payer emily, 538 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,039 or they don't think they could work, they don't want to work. Excuse 539 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:06,720 me, within the hardcap after extending Tyler Hero this summer. I don't know 540 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,079 what the reasons are, but we're not going to see PG Tucker play mission 541 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,199 critical roles for the Bucks and then, oh dud, he was much better 542 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,239 for the Heat. And then they're just gonna let him walk despite the ability 543 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,360 to at least pay him the same amount of money as wherever he's going. 544 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,320 Just odd. I know he's old, but that's just that's like really odd 545 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,679 thinking by me. But I think you could throw the Heat the Bucks, 546 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,960 the Celtics, the Sixers, the Nets are like. Then the Raptors are 547 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,599 like the candidates of the teams that could be better. And I don't know 548 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,320 how many of those teams are gonna say you're definitively gonna be better. I'll 549 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,559 go I'll go Boston, Milwaukee, Miami for sure. Philly's just implosive because 550 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,119 we don't know, like for sure, like those are the three teams for 551 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,559 sure, and it's not. It's not gonna be the Knicks. I apologize 552 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,800 to Knicks fans, but if you think that that's really the possibility that they're 553 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,280 going to be, in that conversation, I have a few bridges. I 554 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,800 would like to sell you. I think that's gonna do it. If you're 555 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,840 listening to this on the podcast, we're segueing right into you to Southeast Division, 556 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880 which I'm going to try and put out post haste so that nothing else 557 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,440 is ruined. Thank you everyone for listening to this section. Thanks for joining 558 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,280 us on YouTube, and if you haven't already, please consider subscribing to the 559 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,920 YouTube channel, subscribing and downloading every episode of the podcast. Tell your friends, 560 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,360 family members, random acquaintances on the internet about us, Retweet our promos, 561 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,880 or send our links to people to help us continue building this community. 562 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,800 I appreciate endlessly every single one of you join our discord. The link is 563 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,679 somewhere. It's on Twitter that works, it's in the podcast description. It 564 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,119 doesn't work on YouTube. I'll try and fix that. But yeah, let's 565 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,840 get into the rest of the Southeast and please cross your fingers that I get 566 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,599 this podcast out before it implodes. The division, absent any interesting trade exceptions, 567 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,920 continues to roll on with the Charlotte Hornet's key free agents. Mile Bridges 568 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,519 is restricted. Cody Martin an important free agent for them. He's also restricted. 569 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,119 They have early bird rights on mantras Harold keller Bridge Junior five million of 570 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:57,840 US twelve point six million dollars salaries guaranteed until June thirtieth, that I expect 571 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,519 them to guarantee it. Mason Plumley has basically half of his nine million dollars 572 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,480 salary guaranteed until ten days before the moratorium, which, unless my math is 573 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,199 off, it should be guaranteed as we're recording this, or just already guaranteed. 574 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:13,000 They they did, Okay, I apologize for messing that up. I 575 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,519 didn't see it. Joyalen McDaniels is a one point nine million dollars team option, 576 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,519 and Nick Richards has a one point eight million non guaranteed till the last 577 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:27,280 day of the moratorium. Notable extension candidates Gordon Hayward and paratheticals lol PJ Washington 578 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400 and Jalen McDaniels no notable trade exceptions. As I sort of alluded to at 579 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,199 the top, their best spending tool is the non taxpayer mL. I don't 580 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,079 even know if I'd be skeptical to use all of it, because they're about 581 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,719 twenty million dollars away from the tax if you just factor in Bridges his cap 582 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,360 hold, and his cap hold is sub seventeen, and my guess is he 583 00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,440 probably winds up closer to twenty five than seventeen. So their best spending tool 584 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,599 it might be the minimum, because I don't know what Michael Jordan's going to 585 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,519 spend any thing that brings them into the tacks. Still, I don't mean 586 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,639 to troll them. It's just the well I do mean to troll them. 587 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,000 This is not a shot at Hornets fans, but the report, the way 588 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,360 wind Horse framed it that they need to move Gordon Hayward to afford to resign 589 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,519 Miles Bridges, that's not actually how restricted free agency works. Just in case 590 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,519 that anyone was wondering, Grant, what are you I mean? I guess 591 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,880 the starting point is Miles Bridges like his restricted free agency. Do you expect 592 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,960 there to be a market for him? Do you expect him back in Charlote's 593 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,000 their scenario where you don't see him there? YadA, YadA, YadA. 594 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,920 Yeah. I think the fact that we haven't really mentioned him a ton as 595 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,039 a target for other teams would suggest that, like, maybe his market isn't 596 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,719 fantastic, But that speaks more to the lack of cap space around the league 597 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,519 and which teams have it I think than anything else, because he's not necessarily 598 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,840 a PC one as a rebuilder. He's young enough, but I think he's 599 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,440 he's good right now. So and you're paying for basically his prime. So 600 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,440 I don't know if that you know which way that cuts? I think so 601 00:37:55,559 --> 00:38:00,599 Mitch cup Check came out today as we're recording and said that they're going to 602 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,920 bring him back, speaking of bridges, but you know, obviously that would 603 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,239 be disastrous if they don't. Well, yeah, you can't just let him 604 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,199 leave. I mean, like, this is a cheaper organization and it's not 605 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,400 trolling. It's just like it's a fact. So if any team we're gonna 606 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,159 do it, it might be them. But but they have to bring him 607 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,400 back. I don't know what form that's gonna take. I don't know, 608 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:24,280 Like I'm not I don't think I'm comfortable at the full max, but that 609 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:29,559 may be what it takes. I'm not going. You know, I could 610 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,519 see four years. I could see you could even like do the Gordon Hayward 611 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,239 thing with the jazz from years ago and not offer him the full term and 612 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,760 just sort of see how it goes. Turned out it didn't go well for 613 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,119 you talk but or did it since Heyward just basically kept getting hurt after that, 614 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,280 I don't know. Yeah there, I mean in terms of big picture 615 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,480 needs, like when you can tell we can talk about Bridges too, but 616 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,280 this team just needs a defensive center. If you can stretch, that's great 617 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,599 and otherwise like you're just trying to fill in orter that makes sense for you 618 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,639 know, Steve Clifford team now, which I'm sure the mandate is like we 619 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,559 have to defend, we have to make the playoffs. So that's kind of 620 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,519 that frames kind of what you're going for, right And so yeah, I'm 621 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,159 pretty much with you on Miles Bridges. I don't think he'll get a max 622 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,920 offer sheet. But like the teams with cap space, like if it's if 623 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,599 it's Orlando, I for it's Detroit or San Antonio and they decide to fuck 624 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,840 around and go four one hundred, the Hornets have to match along those lines, 625 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,159 or maybe they try and screw Charlotte by making a shorter term. Michael 626 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,000 Jordan might appreciate the shorter term deal though Clutch Sports is involved, so anything, 627 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,920 anything is on the table, and I won't rule out like just being 628 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,719 surprised by how much he gets they need, They still need a defensive center, 629 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,199 and yet they have Kai Jones now Mark Williams, and then Mason Plumley 630 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,039 is there. I'm not saying they're the answers, but it's ideally you're moving 631 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,480 Mason Plumley is part of a deal for any center. Miles Turner is the 632 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,880 one that's been mentioned a ton. I think the kellyoo Bridge Junior for Rashawn 633 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,639 homes Swamp makes a lot of sense for both sides if you or maybe it 634 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,199 makes less if you have Harrison Barnes and Keyga Murray Sacrament know I when like 635 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,760 you have, he have some bonus and they've been linked to Looney and they 636 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,800 for some reason, we're trying to train for John Collins. Please don't even 637 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,800 I can't explain that one. So there are bigs out there they could get. 638 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,960 And Rashaun Holmes might not be enough of a defensive anchor, but he's 639 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,159 underrated there and just under Steve Clifford, I think that he would be more 640 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:22,079 than fine. Are there any center targets like in free agency that you've thought 641 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,840 about, knowing full well that like predicting what Charlotte might be willing to spend 642 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,840 even though they can technically maybe access the full or the bigger mid level like 643 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,599 good luck, like actually use it. That's the trick. I mean, 644 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,519 the two I like a lot. I mean, come on, Looney, 645 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,519 I think is I don't think he's gonna leave the Warriors, but someone like 646 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:45,440 that makes sense if it doesn't cost you the full MLI heartness sign. Again, 647 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:51,440 the fact that the Clippers can only offer him basically up to that number, 648 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:53,920 uh suggest that I think he'll at least get that offer elsewhere, and 649 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,800 the Hornets could go a little bit above that if they want have the stomach 650 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,239 for it. But yeah, I think I think you're looking at that weird 651 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,679 little middle ground of like Claxton. I don't think is realistic because I think 652 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:12,519 the Nets will just kind of match or exceed what I wouldn't be. Josa 653 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,239 seems fed up with how much that team is costing him. Yeah, well 654 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,960 you could. He should be fed up with a lot of things. Yeah, 655 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840 I don't know. Do you have any other centers like I would? 656 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:22,800 I would love to see Mitchell Robinson under Steve Clifford, but I think it's 657 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,039 been made pretty clear the Nicks are going to pay him and the mid level 658 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,880 is not going to get him out of New York. Mo Bamba makes a 659 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,440 lot of sense. He's also like a different look from the Mark Williams Kai 660 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:37,239 Jones definitely a different look from Mason Plumbley. Does the mid level type money 661 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,159 get him if we're you know, it's the hornets, so like, I'm 662 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,159 not trying to be an asshole here, but we have to think even sort 663 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,719 of lower on the totem pole, Dwayne Deadman. Do they even look at 664 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,960 what is Searge Ibaka's market this summer if they're just looking for a veteran maybe 665 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,800 even a Robin Lopez not gonna space the floor. I don't like he's so 666 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,719 slower paced, but Mason Plumley's not actually like this, this fast paced monger. 667 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,039 You know. Do they look at Tristan Thompson? Do they look at 668 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,119 Moses Brown, Jalen Smith. I don't know how much he cost, but 669 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,840 he could be fairly interesting. A lot of people consider him more of before, 670 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,039 but he would he would really stretch the floor and give their ball handler's 671 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:22,000 room to operate. I think their stomach for spending the mL is going to 672 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,719 depend on whether they can offload Gordon Hayward for a smaller salary or the combination 673 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,440 of salaries that give the more breathing room under the tax after paying Myles Bridges. 674 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,960 I'm really annoyed that you got to Jalen Smith before I did. I 675 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,679 forgot that you're all all refrained for mentioning him for any of the other teams 676 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,159 that you could be set the next three. This team also needs to worry 677 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,119 about resign and Cody Martin. He's important, like if they want to do 678 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,679 something defensively, especially like he's going to be important to that and they just 679 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,840 need wings, so like they need to be involved on is what does Daniel 680 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,360 House cost? Gary Harris is probably a little bit too small when you look 681 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,719 at the setup of their roster, but what does Gary Harris cost? Is 682 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,599 this a This probably scues too far offense, but like what is Victor Oladipo 683 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,159 gonneat of course costing them? What does T J. Warren cost? A 684 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,400 mere Coffee? Definitely a name that they should look at they could bring in, 685 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,400 like if this is a team that wants to compete, Yeah, Wesley 686 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,079 Matthews at age thirty five shouldn't be off the table. Even when does Joe 687 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,599 Ingles When is he projected to come back. Do you take a flyer on 688 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,480 him if it's for just slightly more than the minimum and he wants to, 689 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,039 like Steve Clifford's prepared to use him. They need to look at all those 690 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,280 types of guys. Those are they are available few and far between, but 691 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,719 like this team isn't you know, you look at their wing depths and they 692 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,599 just don't actually have it, especially if they're not married to the idea of 693 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,480 keeping Gordon Hayward. Miles Bridges isn't a wing. Kelly Bridge Junior is like 694 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,800 he's a wing, but is he like he's like more in the Harrison barnes 695 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,159 Ilk where he's not. He's kind of like not away, but he's better 696 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,239 at defending them. So that's what I would be looking at if if I'm 697 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,840 Charlotte. Yeah, it's a tough position to be in where two of your 698 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,719 more likely trade candidates come from a which are Heyward and Kelly Bray come from 699 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,960 a position where you really can't for to lose much depth. But that's where 700 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,320 they are, especially if you want to get a center the ubre for Holmes 701 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,920 trade. Probably with the King's throwing in something I think makes a lot just 702 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,239 a ton of sense and shout out to I know there. So they ended 703 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:16,039 up getting the Denver's twenty twenty three lottery protected pick and four seconds for the 704 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:20,880 pick that became Jalen Duran. Shout out to Jake G. We have this 705 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,679 conversation on Twitter. I was lamppooting the Hornets and the Knicks when that deal 706 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,840 happened until the full details came out. I think they probably made out fine 707 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,360 there because maybe this opens playing time for James book Knight and Kai Jones by 708 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,840 going that route. I don't know if it does, but that's that's something. 709 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,320 By the way, they could consider. Maybe we played Kai Jones this 710 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,119 year. Maybe James book Knight gives us something and that addresses maybe some of 711 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:45,280 their needs. Anything anything else on on this team, That's all I got 712 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,519 on Charlotte. The Miami Heat key free agents PJ. Tucker non bird restricted 713 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:54,119 free agent, Kayla Martin non bird unrestricted free agent. I think I called 714 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,199 PJ. Tucker restricted. He's unrestricted Victoral depot. They have full Bird rights 715 00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,639 on him. Dwayne Deadman, Mark Keith Morris are non birds. If anyone 716 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,679 cares, you don't as Haslam is a free agent and Miami can pay him 717 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,039 whatever that it needs to if they deem it necessary for him to come back. 718 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:14,360 Notable non guarantees Gabe Vincent, Max Drew's at one point eight million. 719 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,679 Both of those will be guaranteed or I have already been guaranteed. And Omar 720 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,480 your seven. I would imagine they probably guarantee him as well. Heyward high 721 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400 Smith is fifty k guaranteed until July. First fully guarantee is them July fifteen. 722 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,760 Notable extension candidates Tyler Hero No notable trade exceptions. Their best spending tool 723 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,360 is the non tax payer mL They'll be about twenty million dollars below the apron, 724 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,960 and I don't think they care about going into the tax if they have 725 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,800 to stay below the apron. Though. That's if they keep Tucker at an 726 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,599 eight point four million dollars salary, which is the most they can offer him 727 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,519 on a twenty percent raise, or they might need to offer him the non 728 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,360 tax payer mid level exception, in which case, if that's going to him, 729 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,440 they have more wiggle room to use it. It's just they're still losing 730 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,119 a spot. So ideally you get to keep Tucker and then still use your 731 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:02,639 gr mid level exception grant thoughts teams about this team, is PJ. Are 732 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,199 you surprised that PJ. Tucker has been sort of builds more of this flight 733 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,119 risk or is it? Oh? Well, Dalamori and James Harden are in 734 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,280 Philadelphia and maybe they'll sign Trevoriza Lupamute and get the band back together. I 735 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,400 am a little surprised. I mean, I think it's it's always surprising when 736 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,840 someone his age, you know, basically turns down guaranteed money. But obviously 737 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,360 he's gonna I think he's gonna recoup that. And then some the Heat are 738 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,639 a weird roster. They're you know, they're they're very top heavy. I 739 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,840 think they've only got five guys that are on fully guaranteed deals, and you 740 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,880 know, they're generally looking they're generally like a team that operates, that improves 741 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,239 itself through trade. And it's like, well, if you have five guys 742 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,639 that are guaranteed, that's limits your options a little bit. I think you 743 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,519 know a bunch of their that'll change because they have non guarantees on like Struce 744 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:53,800 and Vincent, and you're at seven, all of whom I think makes sense 745 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,480 to bring back, especially at such low numbers. You can think about extensions 746 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,480 down the line, but I just think the playoffs kind of showed they're short 747 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,320 on, you know, a shot creator that doesn't get played off the floor 748 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,840 defensively. If Lowry's healthy, maybe that looks different. I think they also, 749 00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:16,199 just like everybody, especially if Tucker leaves, you're looking at guys that 750 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,360 can occupy the combo, forward, spot, auto porter just to jump the 751 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,320 gun is like a total no brainer target to me for them, And you 752 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,320 know, Thaddeus Young would I've thrown there too. Bringing back someone like Derek 753 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,239 Jones Jr. Who really had his best years there, it could supercharge that 754 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,239 defense if he, you know, gets in prime shape again, you know 755 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,840 he's comfortable there. Stuff like that. I think you make a lot of 756 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,679 sense here too. Yeah, a trade is still the likeliest, you know, 757 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,360 major thing for them, but a lot of those options seem to have 758 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,760 kind of dried up, so they may just be stuck using that mL E 759 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,199 and hoping it's enough to improve the roster. Bringing Tucker back and kind of 760 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,000 adding a forward or two or a playmaker. Yeah, if they lose Tucker, 761 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,519 that's gonna be really hard to replace them. And I'm with you that 762 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,880 their best route to improve is going to be through trade, and they can 763 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,760 offer now because the renegotiation with Okac, if you include Nicola Yovic and like 764 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,840 as this year's first trom, they can trade up the three picks now. 765 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,800 I believe on top of that at theble check, I don't know what or 766 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239 who that gets you in the running for. And you also need the player 767 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,280 that you described. Insfar as I know, it's like not available. There's 768 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,559 not that Murray is not that guy is there is the trade market going develop 769 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,840 in a different way that we don't see coming. And then even if we 770 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,800 know that the Heat are able to mind bargains out of places, but like 771 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,960 where I can't even like going through the free agency list, I just couldn't 772 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,960 even find someone like, yeah, maybe there's emergency shock creation types if it's 773 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,159 a Patty Mills should he leave Brooklyn or a Dennis Shrewder. But you just 774 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,800 said you don't want them to get played off the floor defensively, and that's 775 00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,480 not really what those guys are going to give you. And look there's a 776 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,400 chance that they lose like Kayla Martin as well, in addition to PJ. 777 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,800 Tucker, Like that gets really hard even bringing in Molik Monk that again, 778 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,239 the defensive questions are there. You almost have to keep Victor Oladipo is like 779 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,559 what I'm looking at through this lens is he is so important all of a 780 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:22,719 sudden so and I again, the trade target just doesn't like the higher end 781 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,559 trade target. And look, they're not really built to make the smaller trade 782 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,440 because Hero even though he doesn't make a lot of money, like, you're 783 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,960 not moving him unless it's a Godfather acquisition and then all your best salary filler. 784 00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:36,559 Now Duncan Robinson is the cheapest of that at sixteen point nine million, 785 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,840 you're not just acquiring. And I afterthought player there, So I thought like 786 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,639 because maybe if they didn't care about like the money, like they could step 787 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,760 ladder their way, Like how desperate are they for the type of shot creation 788 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,639 if PJ. Tucker leaves, Like did they just say, oh, yeah, 789 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,199 we'll take Tobias Harris because the Sixers are looking like a are you really 790 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:59,159 going to facilitate the Sixers getting PJA Tucker there? So that's weird as well. 791 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,119 I'm I'm not saying they're trapp They're gonna be a really good team if 792 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:05,840 they're healthy. I just have any trade targets sprunk to mind for you that 793 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,079 even begin to address like what they need the most. Yeah, I mean 794 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,880 I had just as like a total well you know, you really talk yourself 795 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,320 into it. You gotta do some gymnastics. But like if Kyrie Irving got 796 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,639 to a point where it was just like, you know, we got these 797 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,199 the nets like He's got to go, Hero and Lowry are kind of the 798 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:29,480 start of a package that makes sense there. I think Irving and the Heat, 799 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,880 you know, sort of culture is a real tough marriage. But the 800 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,559 Heat also love superstars and Kyrie Irving is that. And if any team thinks 801 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,280 it could sort of make this work, even though it's never worked anywhere, 802 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,519 they would have a right and feeling that way, or at least as much 803 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:50,280 as anybody would. I think aside from that, like and they don't really 804 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,400 operate this way, the Heat. They tend to like go find Gabe Vincent 805 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:58,320 and then or Strus and turn them into someone. But like if Lonnie Walker 806 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,679 just isn't a retention priority, guys, you know, Jalen Smith, We're 807 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,840 just going through the second draft, guys, and I have to mention Jalen 808 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,519 Smith because it's in my contract that doesn't exist. I think the Heat again 809 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,639 would be justified in thinking, like, we'll figure out what's in there with 810 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,719 Lonnie Walker, and it's worth the risk to go try to see if we 811 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,599 can get him with an offer sheet. One of the training targets I thought 812 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:24,119 about. I don't know what you need to attach to make it work. 813 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:32,480 Duncan Robinson plus question mark for Eric Gordon, M do you think I get 814 00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:37,039 Yeah, because Robinson's contract it sounds bad, but it's just because it's so 815 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,480 long that that number of you know, the ninety million is scary. I 816 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:45,880 think I think Gordon would absolutely like because there's your there's your playmaker and guard. 817 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,559 Well, I mean he's as much an off ball guy as on but 818 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:51,440 like that you that is not going to get played off the floor defensively, 819 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,079 that that makes sense. You could imagine him, you know, he just 820 00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,719 doesn't come with any of the concerns that Hero does. He's not as good 821 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,679 an offensive player. I don't think in that specific his Hero, but he 822 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,639 would make sense and he would bring you know, he's tough like the Heat 823 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,559 love their toughness, so that that's a factor too. Yeah, I'm curious 824 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,119 to see what route they end up going in free agency. And the final 825 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,039 thing I think to talk about here is do you think Tyler Hero gets an 826 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:20,599 extension. That's a great question, my guests would be if you want to 827 00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,519 hear what I think, because the Heat are gonna want to prioritize slexibility. 828 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:29,800 He gets want a lot tougher to move if he's extended, like because of 829 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,760 the way that the poison pill provision is going to work there. And even 830 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,639 just like you normally don't see those guys as talented on rookie deals moved anyway, 831 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,159 you're going to move them at a higher number later on. But he 832 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,159 also has enough leverage coming off six Man of the Year averaging twenty plus points, 833 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,280 four plus assist, shooting nearly forty percent from three and as just honestly, 834 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,480 they're most consistent tough shot maker from the perimeter at this point. Unless 835 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,679 it's the playoffs and Jimmy Butler decides that he's going to be a perimeter savant 836 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,800 again, he has the wherewithal to ask for a max And if you're the 837 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,559 Heat at that point, it's well, you might as well wait and let's 838 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,039 see what we can do. Next summer, and if we have to match 839 00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:06,800 a max or given max, then because he played so well, then so 840 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,039 be it. Yeah, I think that's right. I think I agree with 841 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:14,880 that. Our next team, the Orlando Magic Key free agents include Gary Harris, 842 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,679 Mo Bamba who's restricted, Bobo is restricted, Rollo Robin Lopez is a 843 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,599 non bird unrestricted free agent. Moe Wagner his one point nine million dollars salary 844 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:29,519 guarantees on June thirtieth. Delphin Kennedy is a one point eight million dollar non 845 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,760 guaranteed deal. Notable extension candidates include Mark el Folts and Terrence Ross. They, 846 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:38,480 surprise, surprise, have no notable trade exceptions. Orlando's best vending tool 847 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:44,280 is they can get up to assuming they renounce Mo Bamba and Gary Harris and 848 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,079 Robin Lopez in particular, twenty five plus million dollars in cap space. I 849 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,320 have their biggest needs priorities listed as shooting. Maybe some true wings rather than 850 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,440 combo forwards. Could also use a floor general type. Since Sugs, Foltz 851 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,199 Anthony really aren't those guys, I do wonder are they less likely to want 852 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,800 that if they want to believe in RJ. Hampton or two maybe they really 853 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,760 want to just funnel the offense through Palo Bancaro and jel and Songs, which 854 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,599 which I would be fine with. Yeah, I feel really good about them. 855 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,280 You know, the three four five spots. I just I mean, 856 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,599 I don't know if they're the three four, but like I think Wagner and 857 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:24,840 Boncaro as a forward pairing, I love it. I think if you get 858 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,360 anything out of Jonathan Isaac, who, by the way, is an interesting 859 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,639 trade chip because he's got a partial guarantee on twenty three twenty four and full 860 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,920 non guarantee twenty four twenty five. Did you see though there's still no timetable 861 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,360 for his return. He suffered he had to have hamstring surgery during his recovery 862 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,760 from ACL that was this past March. They expect him to be ready for 863 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,159 two the start of next season, but he has not played since the Disney 864 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:53,480 Bubble, right, one of the biggest wild cards, unknowns whatever in the 865 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,119 league at this point, like it's starting to get towards like the sad side 866 00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,960 of I think we know, but uh what just his defensive potential. If 867 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:09,039 he shows anything, man if and the Magic can keep him like that, 868 00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:14,199 really they get very interesting and if not, like, yeah, that's that's 869 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,400 a tough that's a tough deal kind of a bummer. I really liked him 870 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,079 when he was healthy. But yeah, I think, you know, I 871 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,559 think you'll probably talk about two, you know, they it feels like they 872 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:28,960 have a glut of playmaking guards with with Foults there, assuming he can stay 873 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,519 healthy, and Cole Anthony and Jalen Suggs. But like, I don't know 874 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,800 if I believe in any of those guys as as like the steward of an 875 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,559 offense. I think that's why bon Carroll makes so much sense there, as 876 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,400 he might end up being that guy at a different position. But yeah, 877 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,000 they can mess around with offer sheets for restricted free agents. They can be 878 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:51,679 ambitious with you know, spending. They can be a leverage team for for 879 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,199 for other guys out there, and the same options as far as you know, 880 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,079 the Pistons and the pacers have and the spurs where you can just kind 881 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:00,880 of you know, will be the dumping ground too, if that's what if 882 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,400 that's what makes the most sense. They they they're set up to do kind 883 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,880 of whatever they want, right and they could I feel like they'll go to 884 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,679 more conservative out of leasing out cap space than maybe taking some flyers in just 885 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,599 free agency on on younger guys, and whether that's like an are Mere I 886 00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,000 say younger, but like a Caleb or Cody Martin or an a Mere Coffee. 887 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,360 Could they just be one of the teams that say, hey, we're 888 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,079 going to give a winfall to Tayas Jones to just have that offensive stewart or 889 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,079 game manager. So there are a lot of your right that there's a lot 890 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,599 of different stuff that they could do. I've kind of wondered, well, 891 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,400 although let me let's get through this with Mo Bamba and Terrence Ross. Do 892 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,480 you think both or either of them will be in Orlando start a year. 893 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:44,880 Ross is on an expiring contracts he's not a free agent like Bomba, right. 894 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,119 I think Bomba felt like, well, why there's no way he'll be 895 00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:52,039 back. They have Carter. It's just like, but if you could bring 896 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,800 him back as a backup center for you know, five six million, and 897 00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,719 it's possible. And also him and Wendell Card you had a ton of time 898 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,159 together on the court last year. It didn't look great offensively at times, 899 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,199 but he could play next to Ben Carroll then. And if you don't know 900 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,599 what's happening with Jonathan Isaac moving forward? I've so I think there's a better 901 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,840 than chance than we're expecting that moment, even though I predicted that he'll leave. 902 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,079 But I kind of just feel like they'll move Terrence Ross, they'll let 903 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,920 Mobamba move on, and they'll just continue delving deeper into this like full scale 904 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,639 rebuild. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Ross is 905 00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,960 again perennially going to be a deadline. Can we get anything for him? 906 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,880 It's probably second rounders at this point. But I think two two names that 907 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,400 you didn't ask, but I forgot to mention that I really like both restricted. 908 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,320 I don't know why you wouldn't mess around and see if you could make 909 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:46,639 the Blazers think about Anthony Simons. That's what I was I think I was 910 00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,519 thinking. I was just about to ask you about those. Do you think 911 00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,360 either of them provides enough? If they I like Anthony Simons, if you 912 00:57:53,480 --> 00:58:00,679 believe that Suggs and Ben Carroll are like one B type playmaker and Ben Carroll 913 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,800 might be I'm actually I feel like I'm somehow higher on Joe and Suggs in 914 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,719 the consensus. All of a sudden, when everyone was so high on him 915 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,559 coming out of college. I think he can be that guy. I just 916 00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,800 want to see him. They put the bond his hands a lot last year. 917 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,599 I just need the scene with more space to operate. They're better set 918 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,639 up with Ben Carrow and then if they can add some shooting, like even 919 00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:22,639 bringing Gary Harris back wouldn't be egregious because of how well he shot the ball 920 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:28,079 for them last year. I love the Simon Sexton I just don't. I 921 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,800 think Simon's has a higher playmaking ceiling based off some of the stuff we saw 922 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,320 from him last year, where it's when he was collapsing defenses, he understood 923 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000 what to do, not complicated passes, and maybe Sexton's already peaked where you 924 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:43,119 might be able to ratchet up the playmaking. If you're Anthony Simon's moving forward, 925 00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:46,199 I would love him there. I did. Sexton's almost a bylow guy 926 00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:50,480 at this point. I think maybe that's just me. I just I mean, 927 00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:53,480 if he's costing your fourteen fifteen to get out of Cleveland, we're the 928 00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:57,960 shot, right right. I agree Simons would be the real piece there because 929 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,639 him and Suggs I kind of like as a long term fit, and even 930 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:02,400 him and faults actually makes a lot of sense if you think faults is still 931 00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,079 like a core consideration there. I think there's definitely more directionality to mark el 932 00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,679 folts Is off the dribble game than there was. But unless he's going to 933 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,840 put consistently more pressure on the rim, get to the line, or develop 934 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:21,039 more than sort of this very methodical albeit fairly efficient mid range jumper, I 935 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,599 think your offense is going to be inherently capped if you're viewing him as the 936 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,039 floor general. What I did think about and you were talking about, oh, 937 00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:30,119 maybe you look at trading Jonathan Isaac i app I probably would at this 938 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:32,360 point, but maybe you look at the non guarantees and say, we're hedged 939 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,800 against disaster. But teams like Sacramento or Minnesota, maybe even Charlotte, I 940 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,079 think there are a bunch of teams that would be interested in maybe you get 941 00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,960 either picks or just interesting players back what if they went the other route? 942 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,199 So just go with me, or you have been Caro. You have Jail 943 00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:52,519 and Suggs, you nail them to the floor and you go and make an 944 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:58,280 offer for Donovan Mitchell anything. I mean, it's it's picks and you have 945 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,400 Chicago's pick. I would include Franz Wagner. I know he had a great 946 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,199 year. The Magic fans are very high on him. They've been mad at 947 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,119 me in the past for I think I had him fourth on my or fifth 948 01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,480 of my Rookie of the Year ballot, and they thought he deserved to be 949 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:15,440 higher. But it's it's anything that isn't Jael and Suggs or Palo ban Caro. 950 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,360 I also thought about, and this would be like, you're not giving 951 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,280 up Franz Wagner. It's maybe it costs you not your own future first, 952 01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:27,440 and Utah was just kind of looking to get off the money. If you're 953 01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:31,280 getting rid of Wendell Carter Junior in the like a Palo Bank Carro, Rudy 954 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:37,440 Gobert from Court is fairly interesting. Hold on, are we trading for Mitchell 955 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,519 and Gobert? You know, I'm saying I have some reservations about that. 956 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:44,480 I don't know if they'll Mitchell's probably not available, is my point? Yeah, 957 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:45,440 right, Like would you I think you look at it and say, 958 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,480 well, we if Isaac is healthy, Wendell Carter Junior is so cheap, 959 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,760 we have Ben Caro and we have the option of Brigheim Obama back. Does 960 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,519 Rudy Gobert materially change what we're doing? I mean you automatically have like a 961 01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,280 top five defense if he and Isaac were on the same team. Yeah, 962 01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:05,719 but Caro and Suggs offensively, I just that is not the target. But 963 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,239 if if Utah's asking price is so low to where it's not even costing you, 964 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:15,079 Franz Wagner, I wouldn't you know? They're They're also a team where 965 01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,320 if Oksey did it, and I don't think they would shay guilt just Alexander. 966 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,360 That's something that somebody I think, I don't. It depends on I 967 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,639 think they're going to gradually build this thing out. I want to make that 968 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:30,480 clear. But Orlando could do some pretty freaky stuff if it wanted to, 969 01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:32,840 and they're that high on just the Ben Carro, Suggs, even Wagner core. 970 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,920 Moving forward, Magic fans are so mad at you right now. They 971 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,320 might be happy because everyone always talks about them trading. They're good players to 972 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,480 other teams, so maybe trading for a good player would be different, that's 973 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:47,679 for sure. So maybe they're respected or they're angry. Like you said, 974 01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:52,400 what is Krack Oak and Harmon Knox listeners, if you're listening to this on 975 01:01:52,440 --> 01:02:00,119 the actual podcast while we're doing our Southeast Division preview, you're gonna notice that 976 01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,960 Grant is no longer with me because the Wizards blew up everything that we talked 977 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,840 about ahead of their twenty twenty two free agency look ahead because they traded for 978 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,199 Monte Morris and Will Barton from the Number Nuggets. So we're gonna get into 979 01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,679 that, and then I'm gonna readjust what our look ahead would have been from 980 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,360 that. If you're just watching this on YouTube. Drew it up live just 981 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,920 because to have it out there and just be done with in case it's ruined 982 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,199 or whatever. But the trade between the Wizards and the Nuggets, and we'll 983 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:29,679 get into a little bit of the implications for the Nuggets as well, was 984 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,880 Monte Morris and Will Barton go to Washington for Kentavious called Bill Pope and Is 985 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,639 Smith, whose contract will be guaranteed, and the Nuggets planned to keep him. 986 01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:43,679 I saw a lot of people. Let's focus on this from the Nuggets 987 01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:46,360 really quickly. What's interesting about this trade is the new salary cap projections gave 988 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,119 them a little bit more wiggle room under the luxury tax, and because of 989 01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,960 the way that contracts worked, will Barton had some unlikely incentives for this this 990 01:02:55,079 --> 01:03:00,400 coming season. Those were calculated into a lot of the payroll project actions when 991 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,639 they were trying to account for whether they would be under the tax or the 992 01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,159 luxury tax apron. Now they have duct the tax, is my point, 993 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,400 by making this trade they save. It's under five million dollars in raws salary, 994 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,679 but it's more than six million dollars when you're factoring in that Will Barton 995 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,320 unlikely guarantee, or about six million around there. So they have now duct 996 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,679 the tax. Heading into the off season. What they could still do. 997 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,400 A lot of people said maybe they'll carve out enough room to use the non 998 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,679 tax payment level exception. That's too difficult. They would have to move some 999 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,159 whole scale salaries. Maybe Smith and Jeff Green and I still don't even think 1000 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:36,360 that would do the trick. To be honest with you. They can still 1001 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440 use the MINIMLI, and I wrote about this. Calvin Bootha said he has 1002 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:45,559 the go ahead to use the minimli for Denver. I would be a little 1003 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,639 bit shocked if they still use it now, because this doesn't feel like a 1004 01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:51,719 team that wants to pay the tax at the moment, and it's preparing for 1005 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,800 future seasons in which they have to. That the Wizards were able to help 1006 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,840 them was a home run to me for Denver. I think, if you're 1007 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,639 going to make this trade and look, maybe they still use their mini Emily, 1008 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,679 they can do it. Maybe they use it plan on ducking attacks or 1009 01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:08,719 whatever later. YadA, YadA YadA. They have for now duck the tax 1010 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,719 heading into the season. I think that this is a fine trade to make 1011 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,480 while doing that because KCP is a fantastic point of attack defender, a real 1012 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:19,199 three and D guy is better off the ball than Will Barton, is better 1013 01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:23,960 defensively than Will Barton. He's better defensively than even Monte Morris. There's definitely 1014 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,159 a drop off from Monte Morris to Schmith. But if you have Jamal Murray 1015 01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:30,599 and Michael Porter Jr. Coming back and you believe in Bones Highland, this 1016 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,960 is just there's some you know, cap sheet shuffling here that makes you cringe. 1017 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,039 Because this team is so good when it's a full strength, they should 1018 01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,159 be willing to go as deep into the tax as possible. A guy like 1019 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,119 Nicole yokis comes along once in a generation, so I get that element of 1020 01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,880 it. But this isn't a losing trade for them because KCP is exactly what 1021 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:54,719 they need and they had not that Monte Morris was redundant, but they have 1022 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,679 talent to make up for him. Now the focus shifts too, are they 1023 01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:00,840 going to stay outside the tax or will they use the min m E because 1024 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,199 they could still use shooting, another defender, maybe even a backup big. 1025 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,280 So the Nuggets remain a team to watch. I don't hate this trade for 1026 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,360 them, but I do think it speaks a lot about how stingy they're planning 1027 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,599 on being when it comes to spending on this ruster For the Wizards, love 1028 01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,559 love, love this trade. For the most part, I think they're gonna 1029 01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:26,320 miss KCP, who was probably their best perimeter defender last season. That being 1030 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,639 said, you have other guys who can step up you had. I don't 1031 01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:32,079 want to say a wing surplus, but Denny Ava I think it's probably like 1032 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:36,280 one of the five most underrated defenders in the NBA right now. Kyle Kuzma 1033 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,320 has become rock solid there. Monte Morris is going to be fine, and 1034 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,639 he will give you some point of attack. Minutes as well, you could 1035 01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,920 probably use another point of attack defender because you don't want to necessarily use Denny 1036 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:51,280 Ava or Kyle Kuzma there in volume. Does that mean that they're more likely 1037 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:58,679 to bring how Will metto back? Perhaps maybe they just go looking at to 1038 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,559 fill that need with They needed shooting in defense. Is my point. Leading 1039 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,360 into the offseason, and now you've gotten I think you can argue you've gotten 1040 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,480 an upgrade in shooting when you look at Monte Morris's mid range game, his 1041 01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:13,000 ability to hit threes whether he's on or off the ball. Will Barton is 1042 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,719 a good enough shooter. He's a little awkward off the ball, But I 1043 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,920 think the Wizards needed more on ball juice as well, definitely more so than 1044 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,880 the Nuggets did. I would like to see them give more responsibility to Denny 1045 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,920 Ava on ball next season. I really think that he is just sort of 1046 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,519 this sleeping blue chip prospect. We've already seen it on defense, and I 1047 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:34,400 think there's a lot more to plumb there on offense. This doesn't prohibit you 1048 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,199 from doing that. The other thing I'll mention is Will Barton his salary. 1049 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,280 I don't like viewing players like this. If you can use it to facilitate 1050 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,079 other trades. Like I don't think the Wizards are done like now. They'd 1051 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,119 still have just all these fungible contracts that can move in separate trades. Monte 1052 01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:53,320 Morris gives you a good enough offensive steward now to take some of the pressure 1053 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,199 off Bradley Beale, who, by the way, Bradley Beale, this is 1054 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,400 like a very miniscule news item opted out of his contract. He's going to 1055 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,280 resign on a five year deal with the Wizards. I imagine I'll have a 1056 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,480 player option at the end of it. Maybe it doesn't, but he's staying 1057 01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:09,639 in Washington. The speculative nightmare is over, even though all along Bradley Beal 1058 01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:13,280 just kept saying I'm coming back to the Wizards. A sorry from that. 1059 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,880 So the Wizards keep a lot of flexibility here, and they probably get a 1060 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:21,559 little bit deeper just because Will Barton and Monte Morris are two of the you 1061 01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:24,840 know, they're both better than the Smiths, is my point. I think 1062 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,840 you're gonna make a case KCP might have been the best player involved in this 1063 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,119 deals between him and Monte Morris at this point, but you got two of 1064 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,440 the top three players in this deal, So you are just deeper by extension 1065 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,599 what the Wizards have also done now. And look, I think Monte Morris 1066 01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:40,239 is going to be a fantastic fit for them. I would like to probably 1067 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,360 see them have a higher end just floor general type, because Will Barton, 1068 01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,599 Monte Morris, even Denny Avya his peak, and look, even Bradley Beale, 1069 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:53,159 you viewed them as these secondary table setters. Not even Look, Bradley 1070 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:57,639 Beale's a primary shot creator, playmaker and he can run be the engine of 1071 01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,719 your offense. But you would like someone who's just a better aster than Bradley 1072 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,360 Beal on your team. I don't necessarily know that the Nuggets the Wizards habit 1073 01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:08,880 right now. He could be Monte Morris. And you have enough secondary playmaking 1074 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,679 now between even Barton, just with the ball in his hands, secondary creation 1075 01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:16,000 at least Monte Morris. And again, if you're gonna explore just some more 1076 01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:20,640 Kenny obvious stuff, you have enough to sort of work within those confides more 1077 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,920 than you did before. So I like this trade for them. And KCP 1078 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:27,560 was going to be a free agent after next season anyway, And the same 1079 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,359 be said of Will Barton. But he's just a little bit more expendable to 1080 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,199 them. And now this maybe freeze up to where, Okay, Kyle Kuzma 1081 01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,399 feels like he might be a long sterm piece here. He's extension eligible, 1082 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,560 has a thirteen million dollar player option next summer. I imagine he would decline 1083 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,119 an extension even if the Wizards offer one, which they absolutely should they really 1084 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,039 it's one hundred and twenty percent off of his current number, and so you're 1085 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:50,199 looking at like a little over fifteen million dollars to start. That's I think 1086 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:54,279 he's gonna think he can probably get get more on an annual basis as an 1087 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,359 understrict to free agent, maybe even from Washington. So you're still flexible. 1088 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,079 I think you've improved the balance of your roster. And now it gets interesting. 1089 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:03,760 And this is where we lead into like the meat and potatoes of the 1090 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,359 Wizards free agency. You can still go out and do just some weird stuff 1091 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:12,479 here. This hasn't again hurt you really trade asset wise, KCP was one 1092 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,840 of your assets. But if you really want to go out and make a 1093 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,600 bigger deal, Monte Morris, will or Will Barton. Will Barton has an 1094 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,039 expiring contracts Monte Morris more so it's just an actual player on a really team 1095 01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:25,960 friendly contract. Those are assets. Looking at their key free agents, they 1096 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,079 have Thomas Bryant and Howard will Netto are the biggest names, and again I'm 1097 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,399 wondering if how Will Netto is more likely to be back just given that you 1098 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:38,319 give up KCP here and he was your best POA defender. They do not 1099 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,680 have any notable non guarantees anymore because they traded both KCP and Is Schmith. 1100 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,239 Their notable extension candidates include Christaps Porzingis I already mentioned, Kyle Kuzma, Ruby 1101 01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,640 Hachimura, and Burning Carry. I don't think any of those guys are going 1102 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,199 to get an extension. I could see Kyle Kuzma being offered one and ultimately 1103 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:58,920 declining it. Their trade exceptions, they have an Aaron holiday one where four 1104 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,399 million and a Mantras Heroin worth five point two million. They're both going to 1105 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,319 expire as of now February ten, twenty twenty three. Their best spending tool. 1106 01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:11,159 Here's where it gets interesting. So with Bradley Beal going to resign for 1107 01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,520 max money, and even with taking on this additional money in the trade, 1108 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,560 they still have some pretty unfettered access to the non tax payers mid level exception, 1109 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,359 which is ten point three million dollars to start. Actually, I guess 1110 01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:25,159 it could be a little higher here because the salary cap projections went up. 1111 01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,800 The point is, after the adjusted salary cap projections, I have them between 1112 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,840 seventeen and eighteen million dollars under the tax. So like that's not even the 1113 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,319 apron. If they're want to pay the tax, they can definitely use the 1114 01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:41,359 non taxpayer midlevel exception because they're going to be about nearly twenty five million dollars 1115 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,159 under the apron. Again, even after accounting for oh, not that high, 1116 01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:46,960 there's gonna be like twenty million dollars or whatever is below the apron, 1117 01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:53,199 even after accounting for Bradley Beal's max salary. That is I think really important 1118 01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:56,000 because not a lot of teams are working with more. They're only a handful 1119 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,720 of cap space teams, and there are a bunch more teams that are either 1120 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,279 not going to spend the mid levels option or they only have the mini MLA, 1121 01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:04,199 a team like the Nuggets or the Clippers who might have already used it 1122 01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:09,239 on on John Wall. And so this puts you in the driver's seat to 1123 01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:12,920 at least I think be a more attractive destination if you're willing to give the 1124 01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:15,920 full mid level to one player. I don't know, you know, I 1125 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,079 don't know. We can now would be a good time to get into targets 1126 01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:23,079 for them. I still think they could use some extra shooting. I think 1127 01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:26,119 you could stand to have some extra wing depth. I know you have Danny 1128 01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:30,119 Avia and Kyle Kuzma, but you need sort of that smaller, really feisty 1129 01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,600 wing defender. Now that KCP has gone, Monte Morris can be fine. 1130 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,760 He's not a wing. Will Barton is more of a swing man and he's 1131 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,560 had some good moments defensively, but he's not KCP. Is just my point 1132 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,560 there, Guys like Daniel House and these aren't names that I think would command 1133 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,560 the full mid level, which his names is keeping Guys like Daniel House a 1134 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,960 mere coffee, I think is a sneaky good free agent. I would say 1135 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:57,199 specifically maybe Caleb Martin or even either Martin Twin, but definitely to fill that 1136 01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,880 KCP roll a little bit in smaller volume because they they don't have like that 1137 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:06,119 natural microwave instinct to their offensive games. They're super accessory, but that can 1138 01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:10,159 be valuable if you're putting the ball on everyone else's hands or just want some 1139 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,560 spot different roles without KCP. I do wonder if this is a sneaky good 1140 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,560 victory Ladipo destination, more secondary passing, and then just the ability of someone 1141 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,319 else to create his own shot, really shoot well enough from beyond the arc 1142 01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:25,399 that does seem to come and go. But he gives you some you know, 1143 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,560 even now, probably more raw rim pressure then you're gonna get from a 1144 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,880 lot of your other guys. That includes a Will Barton and Monte Morris, 1145 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,920 who, by the way, I can't remember if I mentioned this, Slady 1146 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,680 Monte Morrison one of the best mid rang shooters in the NBA. So they 1147 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,680 just there are now levels to Washington's offense, especially if you believe in how 1148 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,079 well Chris Stops porzingis played here last year. Another name that would be interesting 1149 01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,119 is They. I think people believe they Taias Jones is out of the running 1150 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:51,319 because they have Monte Morris. Now I would probably agree if he was willing 1151 01:12:51,359 --> 01:12:55,520 just to sign for the Nontax player's mid level. That just feels like smart 1152 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,079 business to have that type of player there. But you could get a little 1153 01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:01,199 smaller in the back court. Are you ever gonna play Taias and Monte Morris 1154 01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:04,239 and Bradley bel together? Probably not. I mean you could, I just 1155 01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:08,079 don't know how good defensively you would wind up being in those situations, as 1156 01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:11,680 good as Tis Jones and Monte Morris can be in their own perspective. Roles. 1157 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:15,159 Gary Harris could be an option again, smaller, not that long, 1158 01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,640 but very complimentary. Feiston d shot well from three last season and then even 1159 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,439 shot well on drive nearly fifty percent. They could go to Bruce Brown route 1160 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:28,439 as well, another smaller guy who could defend up who really intrigues me for 1161 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,039 this team now and maybe again, if you don't want to give the mid 1162 01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:34,840 level exception to Tias Jones, maybe you don't want to give half or more 1163 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:39,479 of the mid level exception to this guy. But Gary Payton is second feels 1164 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,800 like he would make a lot of sense if you believe in his three point 1165 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,479 clip. He hit like thirty six percent of his spot up threes last year. 1166 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,359 If you believe in that from him, there's a chance that his point 1167 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:54,640 of attack defense and just as general defense where he can defend up to threes 1168 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,359 really and then you can also use him as a cutter even a screener on 1169 01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,439 offense. Again, you then are investing in some smaller players. With that 1170 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,199 being said, it just feels like such a fit now, especially without KCP 1171 01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:10,159 there, So that would be another name I think is worth keeping an eye 1172 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:13,800 on. You could go, I think you have enough shooting out of where 1173 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,159 defense is just going to be the bigger need, even though if there were 1174 01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:19,239 stretches last year, long stretches in which I thought the Wizards overachieved non defense 1175 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,560 relative to their personnel, and so they could maybe bank on being a league 1176 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,560 average or better defense again this year by just having the current personnel in place. 1177 01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:34,159 Implicitly, though, by resigning Bradley Beal, you are obligated to continue 1178 01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:38,159 to go for it, and so there's not even a question go ahead, 1179 01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:41,800 use full non tax payramid level. It's just how do you want to prioritize 1180 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,479 it? And so Gary Payton a second feels like it might straddle a few 1181 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,520 interesting lines there. But I do love the idea of a Victor Roladipo in 1182 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,920 Washington now. I also do wonder how act if this team will be in 1183 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,079 the trademarket if you are going to resign Bradley beal also, by the way, 1184 01:14:56,119 --> 01:15:00,880 they could go like if we want to talk lower scale options like or 1185 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,000 not lower scale, but Kyl Anderson not going to provide a lot of shooting, 1186 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,800 but gives you passing and then multi position defense here not really a point 1187 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,439 of attack guy, though, if you're looking for someone to kind of pick 1188 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,319 up the load from KCP. And I don't know if the non tax payment 1189 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,960 level is enough to get a Memphis, I think it actually might be just 1190 01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:20,279 keeping what you know, the emergence of Desmond Baines, I R. Williams, 1191 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,239 JAKEL. Rabia being taken in the draft, and so on and so 1192 01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:28,279 forth. They could also maybe look at you know, Deck Jones Junior kind 1193 01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:31,239 of more of like a big or like a four like, but defensively, 1194 01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:33,760 he can play anywhere and he's going to compromise your spacing. But if you're 1195 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:39,640 looking to prioritize defense in that regard, I probably wouldn't go the big man 1196 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,760 route. You have Gaffer, you have Chris stops Porzingis. You could bring 1197 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,119 back, I would imagine for fairly affordable if you wanted to, you could 1198 01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:50,880 bring back Thomas Bryant. Do you want to give Vernon carry a shot here 1199 01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:54,680 as well, so I wouldn't go that route. I guess I wouldn't be 1200 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,399 opposed if you wanted to skew someone who's more of like a four, but 1201 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,079 just having the Denny Avia Kyle, who's my set up? Like? Those 1202 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:05,079 feel like really good, like three four options, however you want to classify 1203 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,800 them there, and I would look for those like either pure wings or just 1204 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,159 the two three guys like again KCP who could also defend the point guard spot, 1205 01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:16,319 and I really I'm just in love with the idea of Gary Payton a 1206 01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:20,760 second there. Victor Oladipo would certainly be just this bigger swing. With all 1207 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,760 of that said, I don't think what the Wizards did precluded them from going 1208 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,840 out and trying to find Tejing Woarn's another name, by the way, I 1209 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,560 could mention him for every team that would make sense in Washington if he's I 1210 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:31,920 don't know how much he's gonna cost coming off, how much time he's missed, 1211 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,159 but he's damn good player as well, and my under the radar ones 1212 01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,640 by the way, I just want to reiterate, keep an Eyem your coffee 1213 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,880 and Caleb or Cody Martin wherever those guys land Day were sneaky high impact players 1214 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,039 this past season. The last thing I'll say on the Wizards is I'm very 1215 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:53,359 high on what they've done on the off season so far. Even if you 1216 01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:57,880 don't agree that they should be bringing back Bradley Beal to that point really quickly. 1217 01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,760 If you don't think they should have been bringing back Bradley Beal, you 1218 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,239 don't like, you don't make that decision now. You should have moved him 1219 01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:05,520 when there's actual time on his contract rather than getting into signed and trade scenario. 1220 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,680 So Bradleyal wants to be in Washington, Washington wants him. There's nothing 1221 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,520 wrong with that. I'm totally cool with it. You're still not you still 1222 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,560 have an obligation. I have to kind of sniff around the point guard market 1223 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,039 when looking at trades just to get an actual floor general in here. And 1224 01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:25,520 there's definitely needs to be someone different than the John Wall of Russell Westbrook type, 1225 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,239 even as Spencer did what it needs to be someone who's more natural at 1226 01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:34,119 playing away from the ball, and even the Wizards meant were tangentially mentioned to 1227 01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:38,920 de Geant Murray, I like that defensively, and he has played without the 1228 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,640 ball in San Antonio in the past, but you're still looking at someone who 1229 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,439 works predominantly inside the arc, and to give up the equity would take to 1230 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,520 acquire him, I wouldn't love it. And so I like the idea of 1231 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,840 Monty Morris next to Bradley Beal on offense more than I like de Jan tay 1232 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:57,319 Murray next to Bradley Beal defensively. It's not a contest, obviously, And 1233 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,600 when you do look at the trade market, the issue becomes okay, well, 1234 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,640 like what type of those point guards are available? And the answer is 1235 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,399 that they're not. And I do what the Wizards have done just getting a 1236 01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:12,319 little bit more expensive expiring salary in Will Barton is that they could drum up 1237 01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:15,359 their potential turn. But what if they're interested in a Terry Rosier. Should 1238 01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:20,399 Charlotte be looking to cut payroll? There's like you've already gone the Spence Dinwity 1239 01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,760 route. So do not that's not gonna be touched to ten foot pole. 1240 01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:27,119 You look at maybe consider signing Dennis Shrewder if he falls through the cracks and 1241 01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:30,920 it's costing you the minimum or like even just the fraction of the mid level 1242 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,319 slash the bi annual, which is the other thing that they could use. 1243 01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:34,520 By the way, I don't believe they used it this past season, but 1244 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:39,800 they have enough room below the apron to where, yeah, they didn't use 1245 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,960 it, lessie, So they have the bi annual as well. That really 1246 01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,079 opens the door for them to like, like what if t J. Warren 1247 01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:46,800 is just taking the biannd, Like what if that's what that guy culture? 1248 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,399 What if you even make get Daniel House there, Like that's just really good 1249 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,399 value. And so I'd like to see them do something like that. Maybe 1250 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,760 do you try and be the team that's like, hey, Ricky Rubio, 1251 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,159 we know you're not gonna play until the middle of the year, but will 1252 01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:01,560 you take the bi annual? Will not the best, cleanest fit long fra 1253 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,960 they be able, but someone who could really manage the game for you. 1254 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,319 Don't love it, but it's cheap enough why not consider it. I don't 1255 01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,199 view this as a D'Angelo Russell's trade destination. If Minnesota goes that route, 1256 01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:16,119 they would probably want Kuzma in that trade. I'm not giving up Kuzma for 1257 01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,640 D'Angelo Russell. That's just the state of affairs here. I think Kuzma is 1258 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:24,880 more of a desire archetype asset to Washington. Could they could still look at 1259 01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,600 DeVante Graham maybe if they're trying to reboot assets. That's someone I imagine doesn't 1260 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,359 cost you any real asset equity. You're not giving up Monte Morris. You're 1261 01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:34,880 not giving up to any Avdia in that deal. You're not giving up you 1262 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,960 know, I mean, Christops makes too much anyway, but you're not giving 1263 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,600 up a primo asset in there. The most I think you would have to 1264 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,760 go, and I do think. Look, I exist outside the Wizard's bubble, 1265 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,960 so I understand that there are a Wizards fan who've seen more games than 1266 01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:50,520 I have. I'm not that high on Ruby hatch Moore, but that feels 1267 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:55,119 like the highest cost it would take is Ruby Hachimura, and I think that 1268 01:19:55,239 --> 01:20:00,680 actually might be enough to do it. Looking at the Washington's caps, it's 1269 01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,199 where it would work. But Ruy Hatchmore and salary Filler, that would be 1270 01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,680 like the highest. It feels like you would need to go because you're trying 1271 01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:11,159 to reboot DeVante Graham's stock at this point, and he might. He's going 1272 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:15,239 to be considered overpaid at two years and twenty three point seven million guaranteed two 1273 01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:17,680 point eight million, then partial guarantee in the third year of his deal, 1274 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:23,159 So he has close to thirty million guaranteed over excuse me, close to about 1275 01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:27,199 twenty five twenty six million guaranteed technically over the next two seasons. But you 1276 01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:30,319 do have control over him if it works out in that third season. My 1277 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,880 point is he should be super affordable. Could this be a Derrick Rose team 1278 01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:38,279 after the Knicks traded for Jalen Brunson. I don't know how much I would 1279 01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:41,119 give up for him, aside from like trying to match salary. Would you 1280 01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:43,960 want to give up Wilbarton for Derrick Rose if you're Washington, I might argue 1281 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,960 that you don't. But there is a team option on Rose, so he's 1282 01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,560 next year, so he's functionally an expiring contract as well. That is certainly 1283 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,159 something that that they could look at. I thought about just depending on what 1284 01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:57,000 Orlando was trying to do. What about Mark el Foltz for this team, 1285 01:20:57,399 --> 01:21:00,560 It would be like if you took it's like sort of a worse offensive fit 1286 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,439 than de Jontay Murray but with a lot of the same side defensive benefits. 1287 01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:09,239 That would just be something to look at. Again, I don't love the 1288 01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:13,399 offensive fit there. Could you just take a flyer on Cameron Payne? I 1289 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,840 don't. He doesn't currently fit into any of your trade exceptions, But again, 1290 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,039 what does that? Does it really cost you that much to get him 1291 01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:23,199 in the first place, aside from just triguing out how to match salary. 1292 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,199 So those are names I think that would be worth keeping an eye on. 1293 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:29,720 I really did kind of like the idea of Mike Conley here a little bit. 1294 01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:32,279 I just think when you look at Washington's best matching salary, they're probably 1295 01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,560 all too valuable to include in a Mike Conley trade, knowing that he has 1296 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,800 the huge guarantee he's guaranteed this season, and the huge guarantee it's more than 1297 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,319 five percent of his contract the following season, his age, and so I 1298 01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:48,439 think if you're Washington, you'd prefer the flexibility rather than going like, let's 1299 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:55,680 say Will Barton and to pick your salary filler from there, is it? 1300 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,560 I think it is Rube hutch More in that situation. Do youve you Ruby 1301 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,199 hutch Moore a salary filler? I have a feel a Wizards view them slightly 1302 01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,079 higher than that, if not a lot higher than that. Might be a 1303 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:08,199 name though to keep an eye on. If Utah decides to blow it up, 1304 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,079 they could go for even like a you know, maybe even Alec Burk's 1305 01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:15,319 type if Detroit is looking to move on from him again, not a point 1306 01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:16,600 guard, but someone else who could generate the thrown shot. And so why 1307 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,000 not just drown your roster and secondary playmakers. I think I have gone long 1308 01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:24,319 enough on the Wizards. Though I thought it was a great I thought it 1309 01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:27,920 was a good trade for them. I love the Monte Morris fit there, 1310 01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:30,039 and you still have all these options moving forward. I'm a lot higher on 1311 01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:33,039 their off season and what they can do. I think a lot of other 1312 01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:39,079 people are so many just you just Bradley Bule exceptions them consigning themselves to mediocrity, 1313 01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,560 and I just I really don't think it's that. Even if you don't 1314 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,680 love the deal, even if you're disappointed with how he played last season, 1315 01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:48,479 they're not tethered to any direction right now, like this isn't the Lakers with 1316 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,079 Russell Westbrook and that type of non option. They have so much flexibility on 1317 01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:56,960 the rest of their books to make trades right now, to make some impact 1318 01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,239 signings right now that aren't going to hamstring their books because they're gonna be for 1319 01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:05,079 salary cap EXE exceptions. They could wait and sort of straddle this line where 1320 01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,479 it's they wait and see what they have next season, then they figure out 1321 01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,119 how to use that flexibility. Do they need to ever revisit the Bradley Beal 1322 01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:13,640 situation over the next year or two, They can do that as well. 1323 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,279 I think they're they're not in the best situation, the most amiable position in 1324 01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:21,520 the NBA, But I even like the Johnny Davis idea here, and maybe 1325 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,279 that was part of the KCP calculus by the way, moving him and thinking 1326 01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:30,279 that that's someone who is going to be able to play an immediate role for 1327 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,239 you, which I wouldn't, you know, he's twenty six four. Like 1328 01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:39,159 that's just like kind of a similar build there to KCP. But I am 1329 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,920 more optimistic about the Wizards, both in the short term and long term, 1330 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,640 and I think a lot of other people are and I'm I'm fascinated to see 1331 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,199 where they're offseason heads next. If this is your first time listening to this 1332 01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,640 podcast, please consider throwing us a permanent subscription on YouTube wherever you get your 1333 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,760 podcast. We really do exhaust ourselves trying to cover the entire MBA. I 1334 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,960 re recorded the Southeast Division look by myself because we didn't want to just give 1335 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,560 you data information. I ended up going about ten minutes longer we were supposed 1336 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,319 to do ten to twelve minutes on this team. This was a fascinating trade 1337 01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:11,199 by the Wizards. Again great review. 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