WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:23.000 Hello, and welcome to Game Spots Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven Phantom Liberty spoiler cast. 2 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:27.879 The three of us Michael High Yes, John Laski Hello, and myself 3 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:31.719 Jake have finished the game. We've done just about all of the endings, 4 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.920 including the brand new ending, and there is a ton to talk about and 5 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.600 we're gonna break it down. We're gonn talking about everything. So if I'm 6 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.640 happen to seen it all, yes, I'll watch this. If you listen 7 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.359 to game Spot after dark, you can tell we were dancing around a lot 8 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:48.719 in the most recent episode. But all bets are off. If you have 9 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.320 not finished Phantom Liberty, do not keep watching this. Uh, finish it, 10 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.439 come back watch it later. But anyway, let's start at the beginning. 11 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.000 I think I was gonna say, I kind of want to set up 12 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.200 like I think part of the reason we we want to do it because like 13 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.480 we don't do spoiler casts like that often, but like this was a game 14 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.400 where when we finished, it was like I have to talk about some of 15 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.359 the ship that we're blowing up each other's keeping me up at night, not 16 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:18.840 your text, but like well that too, but like the thoughts running through 17 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:22.799 my head. I think like at the end of the day, all three 18 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.359 of us were super impressed with the characters, and I think the characters are 19 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:32.879 kind of like the beating heart of this DLCA and they are what make all 20 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.879 two four five endings Like yeah, I didn't want to break it down super 21 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.640 impactful, like there's not really any wrong decisions you can make, but anyway 22 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:47.280 should we start what if all the decisions are wrong? Way she kind of 23 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.959 want to talk about like the characters like Solomon Rey, Yeah, I kind 24 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.519 of set them up a little bit to them up, because like I was 25 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.400 the thing. I love how this whole DLC is just like hooked around, 26 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:57.799 like the two of them, and like the back and forth in there, 27 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:04.239 like i'all gez and how they feel about the situation and then like Johnny kind 28 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.079 of in the middle as like sort of like this like a mediator, like 29 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.879 a mediator in between and like yeah, I mean, I mean, so 30 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.000 first off, Eachrisilba I think kind of killed it a really good job. 31 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:16.080 Like that's one of those things where you're always like, oh, you know, 32 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.680 okay, like you can bring it. Bringing a big name actor is 33 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.280 kind of like all right, they're trying to get get like mainstream audience is 34 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.919 paying attention, especially in video games. Yeah, because I feel like a 35 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.360 lot of actors, Yeah, a lot of actors don't quite understand what goes 36 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:38.120 into voice acting for a video game motion capture for a video game. But 37 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.000 Eris Elba clearly knew what he was getting into, or at least it seems 38 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.759 like he knew. It seemed like he understood the assignments. Yeah, Solomon 39 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:50.800 Reid is a sad fucking dude. That that dude there's I mentioned this to 40 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.919 y'all that Solomon Reid is kind of somewhat of a one note character. But 41 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:59.319 that's like it feels like that's the point, that's that's on purpose, and 42 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.599 Eachris Elba like embodies that that that type of that archetype. So well, 43 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:07.960 so like this dude who who thinks he has all the answers and puts up 44 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.680 puts up walls, keeps everyone at arm's length. He's stubborn. Every time 45 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.599 you try and push back, he's like, no, I know that I'm 46 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.280 right, loyal to a fault, to a false feels like he has nothing 47 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.360 else, just wants to fix you. Yeah, He's always like, let 48 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.719 help, let me fix you let me help you, and it's kind of 49 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.919 like, we don't want your help. And especially as you dig deeper into 50 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.800 his relationship with Songbird, and we're gonna we'll get into like the ending that 51 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.360 shows songbirds backstory. But you could tell from the front he from from from 52 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.039 that that from the beginning of their relationship, from like their friendship, he 53 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.520 was like, Oh, I'm going to be your mentor. I'm going to 54 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:47.400 show you the way I'm gonna like improve your life, trust me, join 55 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:52.599 join me with the FIA, and you kind of you kind of realize she 56 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.159 never really felt that the same way. Yeah, Like yeah, because when 57 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.280 you first hear about it, you hear about it from his perspective, and 58 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.039 you kind of just take get a face value of like all we're saving her. 59 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.360 She was like your old mentor. And then like once you start talking 60 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:08.919 to her, you realize, like she the song never felt that same way 61 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:14.759 at all. The cage Bird wanted to be freed metaphor. Yeah, yeah, 62 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.839 and because the song Birds the reason why you're you're in Dogtown anyway, 63 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.199 and then so like her, the first thing she says to you is, 64 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.879 Hey, I'm contacting you because I see that you have the relic, and 65 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.839 this is how I can reach you. I know what your deal is. 66 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.279 I know that you need to cure. I know you're trying to get rid 67 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.800 of the relic, and I have the answers, So come help me and 68 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:36.319 we'll do this together. And then I'm glad that that ended up being the 69 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:41.360 main motivation for the DLC rather than the President. Like the President was like 70 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.759 the opening setup. Yeah, it's like, here's a banger of an opening. 71 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.000 You got to save the president of the you know, New USA and 72 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.000 all this, And we kind of talked about the podcast of being like, 73 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.279 you know, you're kind of being a cop in this one a little bit 74 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.920 at the beginning, And I think if if the whole thing had been saved 75 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.519 the President, it would have been a little more like I want to fucking 76 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.240 yeah, I do care, and like them getting that out of the way 77 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.959 early and more using that as like a good hook, and then it being 78 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.920 much more like personal with like Songbird, and so me like that was really 79 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:21.800 smart because yeah, Roslyn Rosalin Meyers saw she's a good character and that she's 80 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:25.959 very endearing at the beginning. Yeah, Okay, you're kind of all right 81 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.000 for you know, you know, you know, all president who who gets 82 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.040 dirty and like yeah, like cool, yeah, later you're kind of like 83 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.480 how you dig the chip out of her neck too, and that was that 84 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.759 was wild. She's she's she's badass. But I think it works so well 85 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.959 and introducing you to her because, like you said, like the idea of 86 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.279 saving the president in this especially in this setting, in this cyberpunk setting where 87 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:54.279 like you're in Knight City, you're not even part of the new United States. 88 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.600 Uh, you kind of just don't really care about politics in that sense 89 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.959 in the game, So like her crash landing and getting the message from Songbird 90 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:09.199 to save to save the President, and then meeting her and going through those 91 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.680 scenes, I think I think you're pretty well done because the entire time you 92 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.759 have Songbird on comm's kind of like guiding you through it. And meanwhile, 93 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:23.600 yeah, I mean Roslyn Meyers seems like a pretty interesting character. Is yeah, 94 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.040 Yeah, she's a really she's a really interesting character. And like as 95 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.480 you see, like as you get towards the end, more and more it's 96 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.759 kind of like, oh, she's she's another cog in the political machine. 97 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.920 It just so happens that she has so much power and like I thought I 98 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:39.079 had this like cool connection with you, but then she just basically says like, 99 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.680 hey, listen, I was just using you for this, isn't that 100 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.040 which And it becomes so apparent, just like even even Salomon Reid, who's 101 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.480 like loyal to a fall like he just not fucking like her either, And 102 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.879 you can you know oh that that That's the thing about Solomon Reid is that 103 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.959 there's so much left unsaid. And that's what makes Read's character powerful because in 104 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.160 one of the endings and when in Songbirds are Route, like he's chasing you, 105 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.800 He's trying to find y'all. And there's a conversation that happens between Myers 106 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:11.959 and Read while you're falling through the events, and Myers is ordering him around 107 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.000 like, no, find them. I don't care what your personal stakes are. 108 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.560 You find them. You follow my orders and Reads like, yes, 109 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.839 yes, I'll do it for sure. And then you know, as you 110 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:25.160 go through that ending, you could tell how pained he is. And that's 111 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.040 like part of his stubbornness is that even when he shows it on his face 112 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.800 and you hear it in his voice, that you know it pains him to 113 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.759 be this way. He's like v giver up V. I'm doing this for 114 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.279 you, trust me, this is the right way to do things, and 115 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.639 you're like, no, this isn't. You can tell he's like struggling as 116 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.800 he's doing that, and I don't know if that was deliberate, but it 117 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.600 really came through in in Idris Elba's performance, and I think that that's one 118 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:53.120 of the many aspects to his character that like, yes, he's that type 119 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.120 of character, but there's so much depth in the in the performance itself. 120 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.199 And that's also like it builds up to that too, because every you have 121 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.560 a lot of intimate conversations with him throughout the story, and you can see 122 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.800 it on his face where he just like he's like just the sad old man. 123 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.839 Yeah. I think there's like that one conversation you have with him where 124 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:16.079 he was like I already died seven years ago basically, and that really clicked 125 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.519 for me because I was like, oh, yeah, he seems not absent, 126 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.759 but like he seems I don't know, just just on another plane whenever 127 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.959 I'm talking to him, like almost on autopilot and like a weird sort of 128 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:35.440 way. Yeah. It's yeah. The thing too is at first, I 129 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.559 when I when I first finished. When I finished the first route that I 130 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.200 did, I was thinking about like, oh, well, like his motivations 131 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:46.679 maybe weren't clear. I didn't really get a full perspective of his character. 132 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.639 But the more I the more I thought about it, and like I said, 133 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.519 like the things that are left on said are are what make it more 134 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.399 powerful? Because then I started to like really try to understand, like, 135 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.159 oh, why did he do this? Why did he do that? And 136 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.759 I called back to a lot of the conversations you had with him, a 137 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.840 lot of this stuff that he's been through and kind of what he wants out 138 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:05.480 of the rest of his life. And so you mentioned that, oh, 139 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.919 he died once seven years ago when he was betrayed by the n USA, 140 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.519 and I thought a lot about, well, why does he still dedicate his 141 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.559 life to the people that try to kill him that he used him as a 142 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.559 like the backstory is that they needed someone to take a fall for something that 143 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.279 happened in the United States between the n USA and something else, and then 144 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.720 they used him. They quote unquote killed him and fucking shot him up. 145 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:35.279 And he was like like that cinematic that released before the game, that's that 146 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.039 story, that's that backstory and that's so I saw it and I was like, 147 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.159 Wow, that was pretty watched that. Go watch that by Yeah, 148 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.360 it's gives a lot of interesting contexts. They don't necessarily need to understand what's 149 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:52.759 going on, but it's like interesting hearing all that in the game and then 150 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.360 watching it and being like, oh, that's exactly what happened. And the 151 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.919 thing too, Like I mean to wind it back a little bit, saw 152 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.120 Bird was the President used Songbird to set him up, and I think that's 153 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.080 well, that is why there's so much tension between Read and Songbird, like 154 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.440 they're still friends, and Read it always says like, Hey, I I 155 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.039 don't hold it against her because I understand the position she was in. She 156 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.200 was just following orders. He keeps trying to like push it off, like 157 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.879 not put the blame on her right where he's like, who was, Like, 158 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:22.240 Yeah, she's following orders. It came from the president, it came 159 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.639 from someone else. If it was actually her, she wouldn't have wanted to 160 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.159 do that. Yeah, And like I think that's such a fascinating discussion, 161 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.679 right because like it's very easy to like put blame on other people and like 162 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.759 just seeing how that is portrayed in the game I found so and the insating 163 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.799 Songbird herself in that situation too, where you're like, you know, because 164 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.799 because because you get the feeling she doesn't actually like read, so you're like, 165 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.600 oh, did she actually feel bad about it? Like did you know 166 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.240 was it personal like when she did it or like was it just like this? 167 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.879 You know? Oh, Like there's a lot of because she keeps her 168 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.559 you know, she keeps everything very tight lipped up until like pretty much at 169 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:05.080 the very end. And yeah, so you're you can never get a read 170 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:11.399 on like how she feels, and we like, yeah, like it's interesting 171 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:18.480 because like Solomon I would say, just like kind of he's very quiet and 172 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.240 like he just like he said he's one No, he has the one thing 173 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.679 he says. We're like Songbird like actually like confides in you a lot, 174 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:28.879 but the whole time you're like, how much of this is actually real? 175 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.600 Yeah, and left because because there's a really good scene where she like takes 176 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:39.240 you to that little h that little area in Dogtown where there's like the park, 177 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.399 there's there's a couch and there's a bunch of like string lights and she's 178 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.200 like talking very like passionately and she's like, You're the only one I can 179 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.279 trust in the moment, like it's you get swept up in it and you're 180 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.759 like yeah, like I'm with you. And then like, having played the 181 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.320 rest of it and going back to that scene, I was like, damn, 182 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.919 like how much of that was me being played by Yeah? Yeah, 183 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.519 she's manipulating you to the very end, the very the very end. We 184 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.120 get to that moment because holy shit, it's even interesting too, and you 185 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:15.639 consider how Read like you have that conversation and then you meet with Read and 186 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.840 and Read is like, like you can I think you can tell Read about 187 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:24.559 her plans if you want. I didn't do that either, But listening to 188 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.600 Read talk about her and how like she always finds herself in trouble, I 189 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.639 also got myself to believe Read. It's like, oh, maybe Read can 190 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.159 actually help her. Maybe Read's the only one who can help her and live. 191 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.440 Obviously it's not true, it's not going to work out that way, 192 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.919 but it's so compelling and like it makes that big decision so hard to make 193 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.320 because it is just like you're armed with like just enough knowledge of each of 194 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:54.679 these characters and you understand the situation enough where it's like I don't I don't 195 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.279 know to help. That was well also like he was the player. Like 196 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.360 that's kind of what video games do, right, It is like they put 197 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.200 you a character in someone else's situation. It's just like you can fix this. 198 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.000 You can decide the fate of these characters, and like the game kind 199 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.600 of asks you, like should you though, like like Songbird kind of makes 200 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.120 it very clear, like I have fucked up, I've made mistakes. I 201 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.440 like this is how I need to pay for them, or this and that, 202 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.279 and like you know read and by extension, V can be like no, 203 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:24.000 no, no, like we gotta do this, we got to do 204 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.120 that. And like one of the endings is very much kind of going counter 205 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.759 to what she wants. And I mean, I guess good ending. I 206 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:37.480 wouldn't even say it's good ending. The ending that leads to the new ending 207 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.200 is like the worst ending for Songbird too. You have you have to really 208 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.320 like betray what she wants to get that ending, and you know it's that's 209 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.720 the game's kind of asking like, hey, maybe maybe you shouldn't get in 210 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.960 other people's shit, and like sometimes they just have to deal with the consequences 211 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.960 of what they've done. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of synergy in 212 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.039 the themes there as it ties to the new ending as well, which I 213 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.919 mean, I think we'll hold off till a little bit later in our discussion. 214 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:13.559 But the one thing I wanted wanted to say about Read is that, 215 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.759 fuck, what is it like being loyal to a fault? Where One of 216 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.159 the things I thought about with him too is like, is why he's so 217 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.279 dedicated? And I think this comes out through the conversations he has with Alex, 218 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.879 like especially at the bar, at the bar that she runs in Dogtown, 219 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.759 so Alex is one of his fellow former operators, and then he has 220 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.679 to convince her to be on board for you know, saving the President. 221 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.480 Amazing character. Not as much time with her, but the time you do 222 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.600 have is is not wasted. It is very good. She is so cool, 223 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:50.600 She's like incredibly well, like great performance. Yeah, but I thought 224 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.399 about, like, the n USA tried to kill him, why does he 225 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.399 still like care? Why is he still so loyal? And the conversations with 226 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.480 him and Alex is like, this is the only life they've known. Was 227 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:05.240 that operating within the confines of the political structure as sleeper agents is or as 228 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.399 like high level operatives and agents of the federal government is. Like that's the 229 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.039 only life they've known, and that's the life that kind of got them out 230 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.000 of like poverty or terrible situations. Especially in the morning. You talk to 231 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.000 Alex and now she's like, you know, I was a beady performer and 232 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.480 I really wanted to Like she almost got duped into enlistening too, right, 233 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.159 Yeah, she just went to ah, I think she said what she went 234 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.159 to, Oh, what's the word casting? Yeah, and like it turned 235 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.000 out to be like front front recruitment and she got pulled into it, and 236 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.879 like it's almost it's almost heartbreaking when you have that conversation with her and she's 237 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.000 like, I still think I could be a star some day. You can 238 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.919 encourage her. Alex is so tragic. Yeah, oh my god. And 239 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:54.960 you get to dance with her at the jukebox and dance dancing was cheesy. 240 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.639 But I let the whole scene play out. I was like, oh man, 241 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.000 not like it's really sweet. Yeah, And so like the game never 242 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.960 upfront tells you or like spills it out for you, like, oh, 243 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.120 this is why Read is the way he is and why he still dedicates to 244 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.480 the people who betrayed him. But once you start to piece all the things 245 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.639 together that you've learned along the way, and you have a moment like if 246 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.639 you think about it, there's a moment in your head that it clicks, 247 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.799 like, Okay, I get why Read is doing this. He's still a 248 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.639 shitty person, but I see the paper trails of how he became who he 249 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.759 is totally, and that's where the depth of Solomon Reid comes from. There's 250 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.399 a line that he says right when you disguise yourself as the Twins, where 251 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:38.279 he's like, oh man, I really miss this. Yeah, Like that 252 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.559 moment was like, oh dude, Like yeah, he's he's in this for 253 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.799 life. Yeah, like this is all he knows. Like he can't he 254 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.919 can't imagine like any other life for himself. And it's like real tragic And 255 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.759 yeah, that's such a like a like it's easy to think of it as 256 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.159 a throwaway line, yeah, but it says so much about him. Yes, 257 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.360 and then when you when you oh my god, when you drive the 258 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.600 car with the into the garage and you're like, okay, I secured the 259 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.880 twin Holy shit. Yeah, and then you get out and both Alex and 260 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.319 can shoot him at that point blank, And I'm I didn't question that because 261 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.000 I was like, my V has been killing people. Yeah, So I 262 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.680 was like whatever, but I really wanted to know. I was like, 263 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.640 why did they do that? I did? And like VI's just like what 264 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:27.039 the VI's reaction to that? Yeah, And the voice acting was like really 265 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:33.519 convinced, really convincing. Ill he's a voice actor Sokodo. Yeah. One 266 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.680 thing I will say that's really crucial to understanding these characters, or at least 267 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.640 giving you an impression these characters is fucking Johnny. Oh. Johnny is such 268 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.160 a highlight in this because of the role he plays, Like, I, 269 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.799 first of all, I think it's super interesting that this DLC kind of digs 270 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:53.359 more into his life as a soldier. Yeah, and how like especially a 271 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.480 real name, Yeah, especially like him with Read in particular when they first 272 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.480 meet Read and Johnny's kind of having that breakdown where he's like, He's like, 273 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.119 they give you all the gear, but that stick come or they start 274 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.319 with the carrot, but that stick comes later. Yeah, And like listening 275 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.640 to him talk about that, and you kind of realize how like Johnny and 276 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.079 Read are very similar, but like they both hit this crucial point where Johnny 277 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:22.400 walked away from it, and Johnny like like, if I hadn't left, 278 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.160 I probably would be yet what Read is right now and You're like fuck it 279 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.279 like crazy, And like, I think what makes Johnny more interesting is Johnny 280 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.039 isn't necessarily being like fuck Read, you know, like this guy sucks because 281 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.799 he went that path. It was more like like Johnny understands that he's also 282 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:38.480 just as fucked up, but in a different way. And I think just 283 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:42.160 that dynamic so good. But then even just throughout the story, like well 284 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.680 him just whenever his like hologram would pop in, I was like, all 285 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:52.519 right, he's got some real good lines. I mean also, like I 286 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.960 would say, he also feels like a mirror of Songbird as well, where 287 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.960 like the Songbird almost represents like the rebellious side of Johnny because like he see 288 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.759 he's song for trying to get out and being like that was me, That's 289 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.640 what I did. And so I love how one when like you're talking with 290 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.839 Johnny about what choice you're gonna make, like it's one of the first times 291 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.920 where Johnny's like, fuck man, I don't know, yeh. Normally he 292 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.720 has a very he has an opinion and let you know, give that man 293 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.480 a Twitter feed. That is like the one time in the game where he 294 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.119 is like I actually don't know the right answer and I don't know which of 295 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.240 these characters, And like, I think that's why I loved it is because 296 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.400 like the whole DALC is about Read and Songbird, and then Johnny is like 297 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:36.960 this perfect like middle like to kind of like make you feel sympathetic for both 298 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.920 of them and empathetic for both of them, which is like so core because 299 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:45.319 like the reason why the multiple endings work is like you you need to feel 300 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.359 for both characters in both sides, because like when you finish it, you're 301 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:53.200 like it's not as clear cut as most games where you're like, yeah, 302 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.680 that was the right choice or like fuck that person. I was like, 303 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.359 there is this whole shit saw. Yeah, like it's all tragic no matter 304 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.319 what route, and you go down and Johnny's like the perfect lens to see 305 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.960 all of it exactly. Just because like also Keanu Reeves performance. I mean, 306 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.839 he was great obviously in the Bass game, but I feel like there's 307 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.799 there's something about Phantom Liberty where he almost like stepped like stepped up a little 308 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.839 bit more than how he already was. And I think it's the more the 309 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.039 moments where he opens up a little bit more, like you said, when 310 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.000 he starts to learn about like, oh, yeah, I wasn't the army, 311 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.799 I was a soldier, and like, I wasn't always this anarchist of 312 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.799 rocker boy. And I think one of the one of the most powerful scenes 313 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:37.400 with Johnny was in Dogtown, right outside Alex's bar, where they have that 314 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:42.000 vigil for all the people who've died in that village, all around the tree, 315 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.720 yeah, around the tree of the candle light and all the pictures for 316 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.119 the people who've died there. And then Johnny's like sitting there looking at it 317 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.200 and starts to tell you a little bit more about himself, and it's like, 318 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.200 you don't. I don't expect him to have any kind of like sympathy 319 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.359 for other people really, but he does show that a little bit in that 320 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.079 moment. I'm like, oh, fuck, Like, I've never seen Johnny 321 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.400 like this. Yeah, well, I think one because I really like Johnny 322 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.200 in the Bass game, but I almost thought he was like too polarizing and 323 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.920 that like a lot of times I just didn't really understand his motivations because like, 324 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:15.680 sometimes he'd say things that I'd be like, that makes sense. Sometimes 325 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.559 you say things that didn't make sense, and in the context of the game, 326 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.720 maybe it was just how it was written. I found it kind of 327 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.680 like inconsistent. Yes, yeah, yeah, I felt like he was just 328 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:30.920 there to like get mad at you and just tell you're a dumbass, like 329 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.359 regardless of what you did. And when I was playing the original, I 330 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:37.880 was like, I was like, oh, I don't think I like Johnny 331 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.519 because he is polarizing, he doesn't really know what he wants. But I 332 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.440 feel like Phantom Liberty, he also doesn't really know what he wants. But 333 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:48.440 I think like how it's written is so much more empowering successful, Like it 334 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.079 just works so much better understanding down to like which we'll talk about later. 335 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:56.680 But that new ending is like so goddamn heartbreaking, and like it's got some 336 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:02.559 of the best Johnny moments that like almost recontextualize his entire character throughout the Bass 337 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.400 game too. Yeah, we keep dancing around that that final ending, But 338 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.680 I do think we should talk about like the endings themselves, endings themselves for 339 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.960 Phantom Liberty. So let's start, Well, I was gonna say before the 340 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.000 endings, do do you guys? Is there any like the side or like 341 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.079 kind of clements just just things that we like couldn't really talk about because like 342 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:29.200 I mean, we talked about it in the podcast a little bit, but 343 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:36.279 the child athlete side quest that I haven't done that one. Now can we 344 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.000 spoil it for? You can spoil it for? Okay. So you get 345 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:45.039 contacted by mister Hands and he's basically like, hey, our client wants you 346 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.839 to like investigate this like athlete. Like uh, it's such a like a 347 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:53.359 I don't know, it's like an agency. It's like an athlete agency where 348 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:56.519 they like build up athletes to like sell to like you know, like teams 349 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.359 and teams and countries. And the whole pitch is like, hey, we're 350 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.480 we're bringing like people out of poverty to give them opportunities and like yeah, 351 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.440 so that there's an underground organization in Dogtown that does that. Yeah. And 352 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.640 so you go in there and like the outside building was like super shitty, 353 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:18.559 but like inside it's like it's like the pristine person facility. Go in there 354 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.359 and you see like all these people like bidding on the athletes, and you 355 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:27.559 realize they're all children. They're all children. They're like ten twelve, like 356 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:33.440 they're like kids that they're like drafting into sports leagues. Yeah, they're drafting 357 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.200 in sports leagues. They're like chroming them up, like yeah, it's and 358 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:44.279 you're like it is whole wild shit, and uh, I assume there's a 359 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.039 way to play it without killing everyone. That's not the route I went down. 360 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.119 I basically like because you're going in there like pretending to be someone for 361 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:56.039 like the I forget it's like the San Diego Shredders, like oh shit, 362 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.839 San Diego got a shout out most of the San Francisco Shockers, which is 363 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:06.599 the overwhelping yeah league that I don't think even exists anymore. I like went 364 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:07.640 to the bar and they're like, okay, like here's your cover, play 365 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.920 it straight, and I like, I'll get a drink because Johnny was like 366 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:12.519 we should go get a drink, and I was like, I'll follow john 367 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.960 I'll get a drink. And then it leads to this whole conversation with this 368 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.559 guy starts grilling you like, oh, like you know, who is that 369 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.720 that star quarterback you guys had, and it's like oh no, and then 370 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.119 it's like uh, you need to come with us, ma'am to the back 371 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.640 you get your credential. Scant fuck And then like I put my hand on 372 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.559 the scanner and then like it went red and I just immediately pulled my sword 373 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.599 out and said like gotcha. And then it was just like I thought about 374 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.559 reloading it, like should I try and play it? Not safe? And 375 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.200 then I was like, now, fuck all these people here. This ship 376 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:47.759 is fucking horrible, and I just murdered everyone. The deeper you get into 377 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:51.039 the facility, you start to see the rooms where they keep the kids and 378 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.240 having like all their toys and their bunk beds, and then U like, 379 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.039 there are chromed out kids and it's it's it's wild to see. And the 380 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.720 thing, the thing that makes that shit so like that hits so hard is 381 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.880 because the kids and their families are so convinced that this is their ticket out 382 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.880 of poverty. And meet one of those kids, Yeah, you have a 383 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.680 conversation with one of yeah, and you like immediately changing like I went from 384 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.960 like fuck all this to like, hey kid, it's okay, I understand 385 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:19.440 you can make it. One day. Like I was trying to be like 386 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.839 real like supportive, supportive to the kid even though I'm like, dude, 387 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.240 I'm burning all this shit down. I'm sorry. Yeah, and the ship, 388 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.759 Yeah, his ship was like, I don't have Like they told me, 389 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.880 my chances of getting drafted into a league are not very high. I'm 390 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:34.920 getting old. He's like fourteen or something. It's like, I'm getting too 391 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.880 old for this. I'm like, that's fucking crazy, right, And then 392 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.079 he was and I was like, damn, dude, I don't know what 393 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.720 to tell you, but it seems like your chances like are shot, Like 394 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:48.720 you're you're not gonna make it. And so the thing that also makes that 395 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:53.319 particular quest so like resonate is because you can see elements of that in the 396 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:59.839 real world as someone who follows sports very closely, like I followed like based 397 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.839 and football for a very long time. Basketball, and the way that like 398 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:11.839 sports analysts and teams and general managers for these teams and like scouts treat college 399 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.519 athletes or even high school athletes as commodities for like, oh, we're gonna 400 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.920 scout them, we're gonna we're gonna support them, we're gonna give them, 401 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.799 you know, all these different tools so they can be as successful as they 402 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.319 want. Because we're gonna bring them into our team. We're gonna get them 403 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.960 paid very then, like recruiters have look at so many different athletes through the 404 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.599 world, but a very very very small percentage of them actually make it. 405 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.240 And that's the whole that's the whole story about that that side quest and for 406 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.759 for our world, we just kind of like accept that that's just how the 407 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.960 sports world works. And then you extrapolate that to a cyberpunk future and you 408 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.759 see the exploitation times ten times one hundred, and you can see how you 409 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.799 know, cybernetic uh like like the like chroming out people and how that's like 410 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.359 legal in sports leagues. It's like, oh, they will. We want 411 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.200 to get them early because you know, we want we need to build them 412 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:04.599 up and we need to make sure they're compatible with this is and then have 413 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.240 a long career so we can extract money out of them. And when you 414 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.079 talk to the agent underground about that, she's like, she's like, I'm 415 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.559 saving these kids. They don't have any other joy. She justifies it to 416 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.039 herself. Yeah, and it's like, well, you make a fun ton 417 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:18.839 of money. Oh, the main reason why you look into is because of 418 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.480 tax of asion. That's The funniest part about it, that's the biggest joke 419 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.079 is like it's not because like someone wants to shut down. They're just like, 420 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:26.880 man, they're not. It's not paying the European unions, Like they 421 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.720 ain't paying their fucking taxes, man, like we need our fair share. 422 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.559 And then you go and then you get into it and you're like, I'm 423 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.359 just this is child labor violations here, like yeah, I mean yeah. 424 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:44.480 Like I think some of the weakest cyberpunk stories are ones where like you look 425 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.319 at it and you're just like I can't see, like how how you got 426 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:53.200 how you've gone there, or it feels too extreme. This works because the 427 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.599 line feels like almost non existent, where I'm just like, outside of the 428 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:03.279 age thing, this holds pretty pretty much exactly how it already is, like 429 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.599 like the I think the age and like the chrome stuff like is what makes 430 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.240 it feel extreme. But when you really think about it, you're like, 431 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.519 no, like the fundation of this stuff is already there and like if if 432 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.240 they could, if those laws did not exist, they would absolutely do that 433 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:26.119 shit today. That reminds me a lot of like the Cinnerman Quest and Sing 434 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.880 Game, where it was very much like one of the best that was That 435 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:32.480 was I'd say the best quest in the game, and it was just Shoogs 436 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.279 broke it down. But I think the reason that was so successful is what 437 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.359 you're saying is like you can see that line, I mean Passion of the 438 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.680 Christ and all of these like movies made to capitalize on like religious fervor and 439 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.240 stuff, and it's like, yeah, of course they would do that. 440 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.319 I'm sure people would be mad about it, but that would one hundred percent 441 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.799 happen. And if something like brain Dance existed at some point, you know, 442 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.599 maybe not right away, but anyway, any of the quest we want 443 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480 to talk about or should we, I mean, because I did have like 444 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.440 the I did a couple that were pretty good, pretty funny ones like the 445 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:14.480 cop one. We're talking about it earlier, funny, uh, just because 446 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.440 it's like that's one of those ones where it's less serious and there's not even 447 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.599 much choice to make, but it's just such like a goofy yeah, like 448 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.880 it's just like you idiots follow them up after a night city and like one 449 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:30.519 guy's a hot dog vendor and oh yeah, yeah, yeah so dumb. 450 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.240 Yeah that was that was cool. That's the that's the question that Susie Hunter 451 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.359 gives you. Yeah, to her, I was like, oh wow, 452 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.720 this is okay, this is the character she iss also a good setup. 453 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.359 I thought it was pretty funny. It's a good setups. Hiding from the 454 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.640 sea is like back and you're like, who the is You're like, and 455 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.079 then V starts for con there Actually, yeah, this is kind of comfy, 456 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.880 really funny random lines that V has. I'll talk about with Jake. 457 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:59.440 The one ending were you like that, were you like comfort Solomon on the 458 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.519 sand? Did you get this? Yeah? Yeah, and you like like 459 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.960 goes down to comfort him and like touches the sand, goes oh it's fucking 460 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.799 hot. Yeah yeah. I was like what the fuck? Yeah, it's 461 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:15.680 like this really this really heavy moment and he was so out of nowhere that 462 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.920 I like just it made gave me the biggest laugh. Funny, but I 463 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.119 was telling you, like, to me, I saw that and I was 464 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.160 like, oh, I think what they're trying to say is that like Solomon 465 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.759 really is dead. He doesn't feel anything. Wow, that he's just kind 466 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.680 of like like he sat down, didn't care, was like whatever. But 467 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:37.720 like V, there's still something there that's deep, dude. But anyway, 468 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.400 speaking of that, we should probably okay. I just really quickly wanted to 469 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.519 say I loved the mentioned on the podcast, but I love the mission where 470 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.240 you go to like the museum with all like the dinosaur bones, just because 471 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.799 like that boss fight with the invisible guy in like the jungle area, I 472 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.000 was like, dude, this is giving me like mad like here like fighting 473 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.960 like the end or something like one of the bosses. I'm like yeah, 474 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.119 like yeah, like a little bit of revengeance, a little bit of a 475 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.240 snake eater kind of energy. And then also the mission with the terrorist, 476 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.920 I thought was that was one a really wild mission. But also like I 477 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.039 think in terms of just like level the level design, it was like, 478 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.279 wow, this is like extremely good. This is like some Days X, 479 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.319 like dace X at its peak in terms of like setting up patrol, setting 480 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.799 up different levels and layers and objectives. Oh hold on, I do have 481 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:32.000 to mention that the aguilar is how you say the name, That mission was 482 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.440 so so and it's such a good like piece of levity because it kind of 483 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.559 happens very late after you make the big choice and you're like waiting for everyone 484 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.680 to call you and you're dealing with the ramifications and you're like the setup is 485 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.680 you're you're helping decide like who's gonna take over Dogtown after you like Hanson gets 486 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:55.160 killed. I it was just so pulpy and like stupid and like the way 487 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.680 like Johnny gets really into it. He's like, Oh, what's agua are 488 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:04.119 gonna dude? Like he's like comment, Yeah, it's like someone like Aguilar 489 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.559 would take out the hustle and wait in the car and go to the guy. 490 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.359 You're like, god, I don't like hell yeah yeah, you like 491 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:14.480 kill his driver, like throw their body in the dumpster and then you're like 492 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:15.960 wait in the back of the car or in the car and you like put 493 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.799 the gun on him and convince him. And then at the end, uh, 494 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.640 he's like what happened to my driver? And they're like you should forget 495 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.319 about your driver? Yeah? Oh like that Yeah, that quest line is 496 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.359 like it's it's if they play it serious, but it's so no way. 497 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.839 That's so funny, man, Like what's the line like every time a Cuban 498 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.559 smokes a cigar? Uh, saguar kills someone? Yeah? Yeah yeah, 499 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:44.079 And like you get to use that line too, say like oh and when 500 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.240 Cuban cigar gets lit or whatever, and then and then they're like, oh 501 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.400 shit, yeah, everyone takes seriously like you're the baddest pass person on the 502 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.720 planet. Like and then you get an email from the real real one and 503 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.599 then she's like, so I see you. You're playing my role. We'll 504 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.240 see if you can actually live up to live up to the hype. And 505 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.640 I was like, oh, this is yeah, that's cool. It was 506 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.079 like, is that respect? Are you gonna come kill me? Like what 507 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.039 fu? Yeah? Oh man, yeah god. I think overall though, 508 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.279 that speaks to just how fucking amazing the side content is the Phantom Liberty. 509 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:21.319 It has a range and it's always like you're using the combat system and so 510 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.599 many fun ways, but the reward that you get for going through them is 511 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:30.519 always like these these different types of stories that really pay off. So that's 512 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.480 amazing. I think like they're just so good. It's something that they did 513 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.559 really well in The Witcher and something that the base Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven didn't 514 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.160 feel like it had. But they're just so good at giving context to like 515 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.599 all these little details as you play through these side gigs. I mean like 516 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.519 because like there's side quest, and there's gigs and like usually the side quest 517 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.240 even in the deals here a little bit more in depth than the gigs themselves, 518 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.400 but even like a lot of the gigs, I found myself like torn 519 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:58.960 between like what's the right decision? What's the wrong decision? I mean one 520 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.359 actually this may have been a US. But like the guy who like experienced 521 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.519 that power outage or whatever while wearing the b D of that one star and 522 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.760 then become things sees that one star and how you have to like recruit that 523 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:14.400 star, and like Johnny's kind of like, like the guy's talking, it's 524 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.199 like, hey, we can't afford to be here, we need to make 525 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.159 money. This seems like a good way to make money. And it's like, 526 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.000 Okay, I guess I see you there, but this is still fucked 527 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.320 up. And then Johnny's like Johnny's like, no, you gotta save this 528 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.559 guy. Come on, like no with this, and you're like, yeah, 529 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.119 you're right, you're right. And it's just they're just very good and 530 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:36.159 complicating the situation and digestible ways that like when you actually get to that moment 531 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:37.960 where you have to make the decision, it's like like, honestly, don't 532 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.360 know what to make here. Yeah, yeah, that's uh. I love 533 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.960 that that that that's you've got We've gotten away from the clear like, oh, 534 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.719 this is the good choice. You're decide with the good person, you 535 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.000 decide with the bad person, just like I'm going to make a decision with 536 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:52.400 the to the best of my ability based on what I know, and I 537 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.239 know that I don't know the entire situation, but I need to make the 538 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.559 decision decision right fucking now. And that's that's what I think is so subtle. 539 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:07.599 But what makes Phantom Liberty such a like an in depth experience because again, 540 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:08.800 it kind of goes back to the thing of like you don't have to 541 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.159 say everything, you don't have to tell the player everything, and how you 542 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.000 fill in the blanks as the player with your experience is just that's what makes 543 00:35:17.000 --> 00:36:00.000 it powerful. So then, speaking of decisions, we'll talk about the big 544 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.960 one. Okay that there's a point in the game where you are basically asked 545 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.119 to either side with Read or side with Songbird, and it is one decision 546 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:16.039 that splits off into two very different conclusions for this DLC shockingly different. We 547 00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.199 all yeah, shockingly different. We all chose Songbird and I think we all 548 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.440 had a conversation being like, oh, I bet it's just like you're still 549 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.480 at the airport because you go to the spaceport. You go to the spaceport, 550 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.039 but you're just on read side. That is not the case, not 551 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:34.920 at all. Holy shit. I mean we can start with songbirds this first 552 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.519 off. Dude, the spaceport. I love that. Love I did too. 553 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.039 Yeah, I was like that is because because it's the thing that like 554 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.239 they tease in the main game a lot like spaceport, space travel, going 555 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:51.280 to the Moon, and those first trailers that showed people and like even one 556 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.280 of the endings of the main game had you like going into space, but 557 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.119 then like it stops, so like like I was just like never quite fulfill 558 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.880 in that fantasy go to space on this one, but like adding that spaceport, 559 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:07.119 like it was such a cool little touch where going through security, going 560 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.880 through security, seeing people in the terminals, they give you multiple options where 561 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.119 it's like, you know, you could try to like sneak past, disguise 562 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:15.519 yourself, disguise yourself, you have to go the bathroom. I mean, 563 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.280 they do such a good job of trying to like fulfill like the spy fantasy. 564 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.519 You know, we haven't touched on it, but like like the party 565 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.840 scene or like, oh, the disguises, the part where you're trying to 566 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:31.519 like rise up the twins hambling you're playing like blackjack or whatever. Yeah, 567 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.119 yeah, that was brilliant, just how it was like you're constantly making bets 568 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.360 as you're trying to get them to talk, and I think just the tension 569 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.480 is really good. It's yeah, yeah, because Solomon Reid is supposed to 570 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:46.840 join you at that table, yeah, and he doesn't. And he's supposed 571 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.559 to. Yeah, he's supposed to be the one to like draw the attention 572 00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.159 while you you get the draw the personalities and scan the the twins to get 573 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.960 their personalities. But then you're like, fuck, read isn't coming, what's 574 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.679 happening. I guess I gotta play Blackjack and have this conversation and make sure 575 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.559 that I don't blow our cover. It's oh that that that party scene was 576 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.239 amazing because I spent so much fucking time in photo mode because it's it is. 577 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.039 It's a beautiful, beautiful scene. There's all these characters you can like 578 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.880 walk around and talk to. Yeah, like references to like characters from the 579 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.159 Bass games. Yeah, Lizzie Lizzie WIZZI. There's a performances of a performance, 580 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.039 so you can watch and then later Alex gives you the b D of 581 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.320 it, Yeah, department, and you can just watch the beat because the 582 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.320 framing is like somebody recorded the b D there but then got caught and like 583 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.440 beaten up and they took his BD because they're like you're not allowed to report 584 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.800 this. Yeah, and then Alex like stole it, and it's like you 585 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.920 want to watch it? Yeah, you already just like getting in there, 586 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.760 like when you put on like the suit and you're underwater. Yeah, and 587 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.960 that's when she gives you the pistol and I was like, this is some 588 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.800 metal gear ass one, Like yeah, I know what you're doing and I 589 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.519 love it. Yeah, and then you have to like help read sneak through 590 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.880 by getting on the fucking railgun. And yeah, that part was cool. 591 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.199 That was maybe the most buggy part I had. Hopefully that stuff is not 592 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.519 in it's fixed when the actual game is out, but yeah, I just 593 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.440 do want to shout out that that party scene because yeah, that was a 594 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.840 moment where I felt like the game was really dialing in the thing it was 595 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.639 going for that political Spice Rider thriller, and and it's it's like, oh, 596 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.280 that's kind of I'm extra. I'm getting a drink at the bar with 597 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:23.559 read I'm trying. I'm as I got. There's there's also a moment like 598 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.119 right before you get to the roulette table to talk to play with the twins, 599 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.000 where he's like really close to you and you have a drink there and 600 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.719 he's like, Okay, this is what we're gonna do this, I'm breaking 601 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.480 down the situation. All right, now we're gonna go and he's like really 602 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.000 close to you, and there's I took a screen shot where he's like got 603 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.239 his hand on his ship, he has watch and shit, I'm just like 604 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.480 acting up. Yeah. Oh maybe I do want to work for the beds. 605 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:53.639 Yeah. Anyway, back to the end of anyway picking songbird, Yeah, 606 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.280 man, uh so, one thing I do want to point out that 607 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.599 I thought was kind of interesting. But I don't know if you guys experience, 608 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:06.000 but so in this safe I did Street Kid and Street Kid. As 609 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.079 you start in a bar in Watson where you're there's a there's a bartender named 610 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.480 Pepe. I think his name is Pepe. I'm pretty sure his name is 611 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:20.639 Pepe I looked it up and according to fandom, and he's like, oh, 612 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.079 I need I'm need help with this fix or whatever. And you do 613 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.880 that mission and that kind of kicks off the street kid path. But later 614 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.559 Pepe calls you and asks you to tail his wife because his wife has been 615 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.599 disappearing randomly and he thinks that she might be cheating on him. Anyway, 616 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.760 if you help them and you find out she's not cheating, blah blah blah 617 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.079 blah. When you first, I think he even mentions that she works at 618 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.119 the spaceport. But when you first walk into the spaceport after security, she's 619 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.360 standing right there. And it's after says don't let anyone notice you, and 620 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.679 she's like thee the hey, it's oh my god, that's not happen to 621 00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.280 me. It was like and like you have the option to be like you've 622 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.000 got the wrong v or whatever, but I was like, I just gotta 623 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.840 play along because I hope their marriage or whatever. Oh. But that was 624 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.000 because like when Songbird says like make sure no one recognizes you, I was 625 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:19.639 like I wonder, like who would actually And it was like my street kid 626 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.280 path led to that. But also like you had to do that side quest, 627 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.360 which you can skip if you want. I think it was like this 628 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.159 specific street kids side quest. Yeah, No, I did not have that. 629 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.119 I had like a random guy be like, oh, hey, like 630 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.119 what's up, and I like, I genuinely don't think I knew, and 631 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.199 I was just like, fuck off, I actually don't know who you are, 632 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.920 but yeah, that seems really cool. I love how you get the 633 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.000 outfit too, like mailed in or like through security and you can put it 634 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.840 on. And she was like the bathroom specifically, but I just did it 635 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.639 in the open and she was like someone got a large She's like, see, 636 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.920 what the fuck. I don't know that anyone would care. I'm just 637 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.239 at the menu U button. Yeah, because I really was like, no, 638 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:00.760 no, no, I gotta like really play this like stealthily as I 639 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.480 like really tried to steal through like that sequence as much as you can until 640 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.559 the shit hits the fan and then the fucking uh US military shows him to 641 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.599 start shooting everyone. Ah fuck, that shit was fucking wild. Where So 642 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:16.719 Yeah, in the space part, you like you want to sneak your way 643 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.639 through and you eventually get to the point because you need so leading up to 644 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.559 that point, like Songbird is just she's on the verge of death. She's 645 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.480 just a van. Yeah, so I mean, I guess we didn't even 646 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.000 mentioned like the reason why Songbird is in such a dire situation is because she 647 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.119 operates within the Black Wall, Like she uses the Black Wall, and that's 648 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.159 like kind of like that deteriorates her her mental state and her body specifically, 649 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.519 uh Rosalind's been like making her use the black Wall, which is hell of 650 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.239 illegal. You're not supposed Yeah, that shit, that is, which is 651 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.239 why she is so existent that you you get Songbird in the first place. 652 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.400 Yeah, that's that's the motivation, is that, like you want to side 653 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:53.559 with a songbird because yes, you can get the cure of yourself, but 654 00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:00.039 also you feel for her, which we're gonna come back to real estate and 655 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.360 and but like you kind of you just the like everything about this story is 656 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.000 so watertight, like there's reasons for everything, and you no matter what, 657 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.239 Like I tried to poke at it and be like, okay, what about 658 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.400 this thing, and that there's an answer for it, like what about this? 659 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.599 But like, oh, there's an answer for that. And so the 660 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:19.400 reason why the fucking US military comes in and shoots up the airport looking for 661 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.559 you and Songbird is because she's that the Black Wall agent and like that is 662 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.239 it's it's super highly illegal. It could cause like a war. Yeah, 663 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.519 that's the whole fun out. Like it's real bad another another net wipe or 664 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.960 whatever. What do they call it, the Great Net Collapse or whatever? 665 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.760 Yeah, yeah, like it's real. The motivations are so strong. Did 666 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.519 you guys fully understand what the Black Wall is because I kind of remember it 667 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:50.920 from a little bit of the base game with what's her name with with Y 668 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.039 Yeah, oh John All with All Yeah, because like all crossed into the 669 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:59.440 Black Wall and that just exists like a black Wall essentially from my understanding, 670 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.480 the Black Wall, it's like the old version of the Net that got like 671 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:07.320 so overrun by AI. Basically I like like rampant ais out of yeah, 672 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.760 and like people like blocked it off. Yeah, it's like it's like the 673 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.119 it's like the Giant Ice Wall and Game of Thrones. Right, you're like, 674 00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.400 pretty we can't let Yeah, if if anything leaks out of it, 675 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.400 it's gonna it's gonna destroy it. You're not supposed to go in there either, 676 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.440 but because you will like go crazy yeah, you can get it fucked 677 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.800 up by the AI. But they're sending her in there because like you can 678 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.440 theoretically if you can like grab those AI and like use them, because they're 679 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.000 AI that have like kind of like self grown over like the decades that they've 680 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.800 been in there, like are really powerful and could be used for you know, 681 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.960 or you know, military purposes or can give you a leg up on 682 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.559 other countries. So like that's why they're like it's like a it's like a 683 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.320 weapon of mass destruction that anyone can access if they're able to break from Everyone 684 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.320 agrees like we should not do messes like too dangerous. Yeah, and then 685 00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.639 you can find out the president is doing it and using like song and Songbird 686 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:05.280 is the one being used to access Black Wall. So that's that is such 687 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.199 a strong motivation for why Songbird wants to be free and why there's this big 688 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.679 fucking battle at the at the spaceport and it's like crazy, like civilians are 689 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.840 getting caught in the cross. You have the spaceport guards are like fighting the 690 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.719 military and then they're both fighting you and you're you're just like running through this. 691 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.679 Uh I just put on cloaking and sprinted through yet to fight. If 692 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:30.840 you happen to get in my way, I stabbed you with my sword and 693 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.960 kept going, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's such a such a good 694 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.920 set piece, and it goes on for quite a long time, and I 695 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.960 like that. It's like, Okay, let me engage with the gameplay systems 696 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.000 and some really challenging ways. And so you're supposed to because the point is 697 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.639 you want to send Songbird on the space Shuttle so she can get away because 698 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:55.199 the Luna has the facility that can use the stuff from the Black Wall to 699 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.079 like cure you guys. Essentially, like that's so you need to send her 700 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.039 there. Yeah, and so you have to you have to fight through and 701 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:06.360 that final that final fight. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, but 702 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.159 it's the ending where you get the Black Wall powers and then you just smoke 703 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:16.719 everyone in slow motion. Yeah yeah everyone every time? Yeah, yeah exactly. 704 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.400 The gravity gun from half like yeah, like every time you do it 705 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.400 has this like really cool effect where it just like freezes for like like slows 706 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.800 down for like half a second while they're like heads like explodes. Yeah, 707 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.199 you just see their fucking bodies disintegrate from the Black Wall. Technology and for 708 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.639 me or for for a game that is a little bit more like rooted in 709 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.840 reality, like this is how they can bring in that dark magic power that 710 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.199 you gain. Yes, but it's and again it like it makes sense, 711 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.159 like, oh I can access I'm using Songbird as a proxy to use black 712 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:51.039 Wall powers to just fucking melt these these enemies cybernetics and you see them getting 713 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.800 like good disintegrating. It is like it's so empowering, and I'm like, 714 00:46:54.320 --> 00:47:00.480 this is fucking wild as just like a scripted scene that just because he makes 715 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:06.000 you feel infinitely powerful, and then that's when they dropped the bombshell. Yeah, 716 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.000 it's such a perfect like build up, build up, high to your 717 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.159 power, your with Songbird. You're like, girl, we're in this together, 718 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.719 we're doing it. And then she reveals she was lying to you the 719 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:21.559 whole fucking time. There's one cure, you're not gonna get it. So 720 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:27.239 I found that to be incredibly brilliant because the entire time I was all in, 721 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.639 Yeah, I was like I am helping Songbirds, like I don't care 722 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.519 what stands in mid die. I don't care if I have to shoot read, 723 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.760 which is ultimately what you get continued with. But then after she tells 724 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.159 you that right before you can front read it, and then I was just 725 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.159 like, oh fuck, I thought I had this figured out. And I 726 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.519 even was like, all right, I'm with you read she burned me. 727 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:57.119 No, no, we you know, okay, But like it legitimately made 728 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.760 me be like fuck man, Like why wouldn't you be like fuck you? 729 00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:06.760 Like you can have that reaction as v like it's it's like, oh Mike, 730 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.199 it's like you fucking lied to me, Like holy it's it's God, 731 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.280 It's that's the thing that like muddies that, like, oh, I thought 732 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.039 I was doing like the unequivocally good ending, even though it's like it's still 733 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.119 kind of tragic and it's tough, but it's like I'm doing the right thing. 734 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.360 And then just literally the minute before you're going to like do the final 735 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:31.000 thing, she tells you that, and like fuck, I also love that 736 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:35.920 that reveal is only in that ending. They don't actually reveal that in the 737 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.239 other ending yes at all, which I thought was interesting that like, because 738 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.320 it only really works as like a dramatic beat with you saw siding with Songbirds 739 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.679 specifically, and like again, just like you went through all the ship with 740 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.199 her, and that's when they dropped that bombshell, because yeah, man, 741 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.639 like I was like I believed you and you and then the whole time she's 742 00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:00.000 double standard talking about like all these people are you know, Reads manipulating to 743 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.800 me? He's been lying to me. I can't trust anyone v or the 744 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.960 only one I can trust, I believe you. And then she reveals and 745 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.679 naw, I was actually manipulating you the whole time, and you were like 746 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.840 what the fuck? Shit? Like I think what I even like more about 747 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.480 that ending too, like to lead into the the final ending, So like 748 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.199 if you do give some songbird up to read and then wait for read is 749 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.840 like read is like I will call you in a week, And I was 750 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.920 like will you though, yeah, and like I was like kind of nervous. 751 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.840 I was like I've been double crossed so many times throughout this DLC, 752 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.119 Like why would I believe that he would come back for me? Does like 753 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:43.519 already double cross read once when I said I'd help Songbird, Like I don't 754 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.599 think he would, Like if I were him, I'd be like okay, 755 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.119 yeah, fuck off. And Dan Knight sit doesn't actually tell you this. 756 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.400 He calls you that's what leads into the into the new ending. That's interesting 757 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.360 that he waits a week because if you do the other ending, depending on 758 00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.440 what you do, if you kill Songbird and the other ending, he'll call 759 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.519 you in like a day or two, and then if you save song for 760 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.639 a week. But it is definitely some time. I slept many nights. 761 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.320 But if you if you save song Bird, he calls you like a media 762 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.639 get you got access to the new ending immediately. It's interesting how like the 763 00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.800 mechanically, like the way he feels about you, like it takes for him 764 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:21.239 to get back to you. Yeah, that's interesting. That is such a 765 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.280 small touch that says so much. I love that part of me. When 766 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.880 I was doing it and I was like, I was like, is he 767 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.239 actually because I I just I think part of it was I just kept sleeping 768 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.199 and then I'd wake up and walk around my apartment a little bit. And 769 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.320 if he didn't call it sleep and I think I actually had to like walk 770 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.719 out of the apartment and walking and to activate it called me sooner. So 771 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.639 I think it took longer than it would have, but it still took a 772 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.719 while. And like he still helps you and like like you have these good 773 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:51.679 conversations with Johnny, like after you meet with him the first time, and 774 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.760 Johnny's just like, this guy's gonna hang himself. And I was like, 775 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.760 what the fuck, Johnny, And Johnny's just like Johnny's just like he's got 776 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.360 and left, like like every his entire existence has been supporting the n USA 777 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.719 and and now like they burned him on Songbird, they burned him on this 778 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.000 like his ideals are shattering, like like this man has nothing left to live 779 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:15.559 for it, and like, of course, in Johnny fashion, he just 780 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.960 says it as it is. He's like, yeah, like his feet are 781 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.599 going to be dangling above his deskets. Rice, dude, I thought it 782 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.440 was really good because it was just like shit, like yeah, like I 783 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.119 did kind of break this guy, like I'm part of the this guy's collapse 784 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.719 to some extent. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So but like put putting 785 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.800 song burd on the on the actual rocket landing I haven't seen yet, Okay, 786 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.440 it's good one. I like that they kind of give you the level 787 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.199 of like you as v get to pick sort of like your feelings and motivations 788 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.840 on it, because you can put her on the rocket and be like I 789 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.199 still believe in you girl, or you could be like man like, fuck 790 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.440 you, fuck you dude, thing whatever, you know what, fuck it 791 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:00.920 like I've been here this long, like and and like that moment of like 792 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.199 her going up and like talking with Johnny before like the rocket goes up, 793 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.880 and then the after scene like it's it feels the most like punk of the 794 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:14.960 endings to me, where it's sort of this like I don't know, it's 795 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.639 a big like middle finger to everyone else involved of like just you know what, 796 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.960 like we fucking did it, like we made it, and like Johnny, 797 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.599 it's the ending where I think Johnny's maybe the most like feels good about 798 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.920 it, where he's like you're watching the rocket going and Johnny's like, you 799 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.199 know what, she fucking did it, man like, And it feels like 800 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.599 a big moment for Johnny of like because because he kind of talks about how, 801 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.559 you know, he had all these ambitions and dreams and they were cut 802 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.840 short and it that's kind of the theme of cyberpunk is like no one really 803 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:44.320 ever like makes it out of night City, like they always just kind of 804 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.199 die. And it's like, you know, Songbird kind of sucked and she 805 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:52.920 manipulated you, but you know what, somebody fucking made it. Somebody somebody 806 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.920 made it, and like that's kind of the vibe of that ending. Yeah, 807 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.480 it's like you don't necessarily feel good to play that. Yeah, it's 808 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.079 good. The scene with john as he's like you're just sitting in the in 809 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.719 the port and watching the rocket go up, and Johnny's just like, damn, 810 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.320 that's crazy, and uh like, oh, Johnny's like opening up. 811 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.559 He's just sharing a little bit of feeling something about it, and yeah, 812 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.559 that's it's a really it's a really good ending. But I was just like, 813 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.119 the one more thing, the wildest shit, or not the wildest shit, 814 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.159 but like one of the wild things. I'll bout that route specifically, 815 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.679 it's fucking shooting solemn and read in the shooting read in the head. That 816 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:28.679 was like I got chills, dude, and the music and like the it's 817 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.440 like he comes in like right at the end, it's I think it's raining 818 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:37.960 even raining got the ray tracing on it. But yeah, it's because you 819 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:38.599 you talk to him, talk to him, talk to him, try and 820 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.519 talk him down, and your only option left is either to give up songbird 821 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.960 or draw your gun. Yeah, and I'm like you draw your guns slow 822 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.079 motion, and I'm like, oh fuck, am I doing this at my 823 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.639 dose? And I shoot him and he's just laying dead in the rain. 824 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.480 I'm like, I just shot you, dre Selba, and you're like, 825 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.679 oh, it's a nice gun. Oh shit, Tier five plus let's go 826 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:01.639 h yeah. And then and then kind of like what you were saying Jake 827 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.559 about how on the other ending, he's like, I I read he's gonna 828 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.840 hang himself. And this one, Johnny's kind of like, let's be real, 829 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.960 that was probably the best outcome for Ready, Like was him kind of 830 00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.719 going down thinking he was doing the right thing, like dying in the line 831 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:21.000 of duty. Like, yeah, that's probably what read really wanted. When 832 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.559 you think about it, Like, Johnny's probably right, and you're like it's 833 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.840 like he's dead, but like, yeah, like seeing the other endings, 834 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.559 I'm like, you're kind of right, Like this kind of was maybe like 835 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.159 the best way he could have gone out, like feeling like he was doing 836 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:37.119 what was right and not becoming like a husk of a man. Yeah, 837 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.960 Like john Like, yeah, that's just that's just one of the routes too. 838 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.719 Let's talk about the second route, because holy shit, and alien Isolation 839 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.960 up in Alien Isolation. God like the the even like the way it like 840 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.360 the robot slithers through like the vents and comes out. I was like, 841 00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:01.679 okay, up, I assume you all I have played it, Like the 842 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.760 build up to that is what's important too, because the Max tax stuff was 843 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.039 cool too. Oh yeah yeah, the Max like that. That's that's that 844 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.599 that routes big battle scene is that you fight, have you have to? 845 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.480 Like, oh shit, I never encountered Max Tach. I encountered them a 846 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.639 couple of times, just like die in like the open world. It's a 847 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.639 cool way for them to like integrate that new mechanic from the police system into 848 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.519 the main game. Also, sorry, going way way back. Uh, 849 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.920 I was so bummed about Alex getting Oh she gets idiately too, and it's 850 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:35.519 kind of cool throat slit if you help, uh Songbird, she just smokes 851 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.599 Kurt Hanson, Oh you bad, you're just watching from the far bunch like 852 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.800 breaks his neck and you're like hell yeah yeah. Then after that she just 853 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.840 kind of disappears. Yeah that's one disappointed she'll text you oh yeah yeah, 854 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.119 Like okay, I missed that that ending. So it was after I gave 855 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.280 up Songbird to read, Like while I was waiting for read, I'd got 856 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.639 a text from her that it was just I don't remember exactly bad it was 857 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.079 from Like when I tried to check it, it was like this number is 858 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.360 not available, but like the gist of it was like you really fucked up. 859 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.039 Yeah, but yeah, like it kind of leaves it unclear of like 860 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.880 what happened to her, like you know, did she get her you know, 861 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.760 uh, the ending she wanted where she just got to go her retirement, 862 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.480 that her retirement, Like I hope she did, but like you don't 863 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.840 get like clarity on that, And that's like the consequence of betraying her. 864 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.920 Yeah, I guess she did because she she didn't succeed. You took it, 865 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.880 took Songbird. Oh yeah, I guess you could give it back, 866 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.039 so maybe she does. Yeah yeah. But then I was like, man, 867 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:37.320 so maybe I'll get to see more of her in the other ending and 868 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.599 then nope, she died. She immediately gets killed, and I was like 869 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.000 fuck yeah, text us and you're like I hate this ending. Yeah, 870 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:51.519 it's like you only made the first decision. You're like, I this so 871 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.159 yeah, when you make that decision to up like not oh yeah, to 872 00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.079 say, to install the ice to capture a songbird. Yeah, and the 873 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.679 way she fights back and says, oh, oh you're betraying me, fuck 874 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.280 you. Then it just goes full black Wall mode. Yes, and then 875 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.000 you that's when you I got like the jump scare of her like in your 876 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.199 face, with her red eyes and she's like, oh my god, the 877 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:15.760 black Wall is taking her over. And the whole thing about that about that 878 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.599 route is you can't really tell if it's Songbird herself or the Black Wall taking 879 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:23.679 over her. Yes, And I think that ending does a really good job 880 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:29.000 of like showing you more of Songbird's character, like with all that's the whole 881 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.000 facts, and like, I think it's almost even better that you only see 882 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.480 that if you betray song rather than if you have right, because I think 883 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.599 the decisions might be easier, I guess. And that other route, had 884 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:45.840 you known that Reid was basically manipulating her, Yeah, manipulating her is not 885 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.239 the right word, but you know, like in Savior com I mean, 886 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.239 did you get into it? Like the ending choice of that route is like 887 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.039 do you let her die or not? Essentially okay, And like I think 888 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.800 them showing her her backstory and how like tragic. It is kind of like 889 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.039 gives you like a yeah, maybe did you kill her? I did. 890 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.280 I did kill her the first time because it felt like the right thing to 891 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.760 do, and then I was like, let her die. Let her different. 892 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.360 Immediately was like, oh fuck. The whole reason I did this is 893 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:15.880 so that I could get the final ending ending and I can't do that. 894 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.719 So I had to reload it, and you can. You can still get 895 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.440 the new ending. No no, not if you let her die, you 896 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.960 still get them. You still get the objective, Like Read will call you. 897 00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.599 No, no, no, no, no, he called me to 898 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:30.400 talk to me like I went to because when I gave her body, I 899 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:31.800 talked to the president and it was like President said, yeah, we're not 900 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.840 giving you shit. Yeah yeah. The President was like night City, No 901 00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:37.840 yeah, okay, okay, okay. I was like, okay, I've 902 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:43.199 locked myself out of this. Yeah okay. But like so the when you 903 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.079 when you side with Read and you're trying to capture Songbird, songbirdss fuck this 904 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:52.000 shit, I'm escaping and then she gets captured in my max tack because she's 905 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.519 categorized as a cyber psycho. Yeah, so then now the whole Read. 906 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:57.559 The whole thing with Read is like, Okay, we're going to intercept the 907 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.559 Max attack the Saver. You have that big max tech fight, which is 908 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.119 like hard. I died like twice. Yeah, it's a hard fight. 909 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.639 And it's cool because you get to like do a bunch of pre planning. 910 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:09.599 If you want where you can be like, all right, do we want 911 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.360 minds here? Do we want this? Do we want to like throw smoke? 912 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.679 But like that'll cut off the visibility, which like place do you want 913 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.280 to set up? Do you want to put turrets? And I was like 914 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.440 ooh, like and it was cool because like I specifically set up a thing 915 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.000 based around my sword build. I was like, okay, like I did 916 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:27.360 I want to I want to have Yeah, I was like, I want 917 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.159 mine smokes. I want to like be able to rush in. Like it 918 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.440 was I really like that. Like that is like they're kind of fiddling around 919 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.880 with ideas, which is kind of the theme of this ending is like and 920 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:44.000 both endings really it's just like they're constantly experimenting with new like team play mechanics. 921 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.079 They do them like once or twice and then don't come back to them. 922 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.239 But like that's like makes them those moments more memorable. Yeah, it's 923 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:52.719 more memorable. Oh we did this one thing, then we moved on. 924 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.639 Yeah, you're just like, oh, remember when we did that that was 925 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:58.760 crazy and then immediately did a different thing. Yeah, it's like that's what 926 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:04.320 makes this fancy liberty feel so like breaking away from the formula doesn't feel formula 927 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.159 at all. No, see you all these do these different things. And 928 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.400 it's speaking of like you mentioned, doing different things. So what happens is 929 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.280 that Songbird ends up taking control of the max Tech truck and just fucking drives 930 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.239 off. You got to chase it, and she rams into a wall to 931 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:22.639 like this secret underground facility tech old Militech. Yeah, olit And it turns 932 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:27.239 out I think that was the thing that Hanson was trying to break into the 933 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.880 whole time. So it's like and it's like where they were doing experiments on 934 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:36.079 AI as well. So they got some like real some some fucked up ship 935 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.960 that you don't want let now, And that's where the the horror elements come 936 01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:43.199 into play. I was really like, Okay, I'm gonna fight some people 937 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.840 in here whatever, Like no, there's you do not shoot a single bullet. 938 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.559 The rest of that, the rest of that that route. So like 939 01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:52.559 after the Max Sech fights, Okay, there's no more combat, but what 940 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:58.239 there is is fucking survival or just like horror, straight up horror, alien 941 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.920 isolation type shit. Go into this underground facility that is uh, it's Songbird 942 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.880 kind of taking full control of the facility. And the thing with the robot 943 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.000 is that that is an extension of the Black Wall taking over for her. 944 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.559 So you're kind of you're you're fighting against Songbird as she's losing control of herself 945 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.079 because that whole facility is like controlled by her. Yeah, it's kind of 946 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.519 thinking about it was a good they set that up with the Chimera fight at 947 01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:29.519 the beginning to the chimera like you know, she took it over and then 948 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:30.320 it lost control and you had to kill it. And I was like, 949 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:35.239 oh, this was all they were setting up the end, the very beginning. 950 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.400 They set this up. Oh my god, so smart. So the 951 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.840 thing is like, Okay, I need to get to like the core of 952 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.920 where Songbird actually is, but to get there you have to you have to 953 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:50.639 hack a bunch of terminals to open the doors to get there, And as 954 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.199 you're trying to navigate this facility, you don't have a map, but you 955 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.840 get a you get a manual map that you can check. You have to 956 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.320 check, and you don't know where you are. So in this specific moment 957 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:06.639 again see your project by doing a one off thing that and execute on it. 958 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:10.880 So well, is that I'm looking at the signage You're trying to orient 959 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:17.360 my sign Yeah, that's the entrance to the thermal control or whatever. So 960 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.400 that means I'm here and like mapping it out and it's like, okay, 961 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:23.480 here's where you gotta go. There. There's the entire time you have this 962 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:29.280 machine stalking this big spider robot instant kills you. You can't do anything about 963 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.760 it, speaking sobs voice, but it's not her ye to it's like half 964 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.840 though. It's like a black wall Ai, like you know, taunting you, 965 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:43.760 and like it's so you can you can slowly hear the footsteps getting louder 966 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.480 and louder as they go into the room because you have to go into these 967 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.480 rooms and you have to do they use the hacking mini game. Yea, 968 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.280 So well, I'm like, oh, I have to use the hacking minigame 969 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.039 not to get euro dollars or crafting materials to fucking open the door desperately trying 970 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:01.199 to do fuck one season in that column, and then there's so many times 971 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.440 where I could hear the footsteps of the robots slowly as I'm like funk where 972 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:09.280 it is fifty Also like the like black Wall vision starts to like like creep 973 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:13.119 in and spin too, because it's like you're attached with the relic. And 974 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.119 then I was like escape, like okay, I'll get back to the term, 975 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.639 will hide, use my cloak. And then you watch the robots scanning 976 01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.480 the room and I'm like in a corner, I'm like, uh fuck. 977 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.719 And then you hear them exit the room and like, okay, we go 978 01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.079 hack again. You cannot fight. It is straight aba. They even like 979 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:34.599 I like where it like busts a drill through your stomach and I'm like, 980 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.199 that is straight up the alien isolation annibation and I love it. You see 981 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.800 it fucking kill you in such a visceral way. I'm like, dog, 982 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.559 my heart was racing. I didn't not know if I could handle this. 983 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.719 I was also playing it like one am Wow. I was like the full 984 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:53.559 horror experience. Man. That is it's it seems like it can be frustrating 985 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:58.880 or gimmicky. Sure, I think it's it's but it's not. It's designing 986 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:00.960 it is. I'm sure people might feel a little weird with it, like, 987 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.519 especially if you're not used to it. There were moments where it felt 988 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.199 a little too binary, where it was like, oh, but the things 989 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.360 on the other side of the room and its back was turned. You tell 990 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:11.480 me, I can't rip this door open. I gotta wait for it to 991 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.440 leave that. Oh yeah, yeah, Like I ripped the door open and 992 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.559 immediately, Yeah, that was a little like that happened. I guess I 993 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.320 get it. But at the same time, like it didn't really explain, 994 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:23.440 Like it didn't explain that I died because I was ripping the door open. 995 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.599 I just figured I died because I didn't time it properly. So I did 996 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.280 it a couple of times and then was like realized, I'm just gonna wait 997 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.559 and see what this thing does. And but it's so brief that like it, 998 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.760 yeah, it doesn't outstay it's welcome at all exactly, and it's super 999 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:39.679 effective and like what it's trying to do, and like it definitely I think 1000 01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:45.960 like does a better job of showing the horrors of the black wall and outside 1001 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.599 of it than anything in the main game any like, because like I kind 1002 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:51.199 of touched the reason I asked. I was like, do you guys know 1003 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:56.360 what the black Wall is? Because the main game like explains it, but 1004 01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.480 it doesn't really. I feel like it doesn't do a good job of like 1005 01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:03.320 showing how like destructive that it would be like had that wall broken, had 1006 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:06.280 something got out from it? Yeah, maybe, Like it kind of is 1007 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:12.400 like this is why maybe Songbirds should also die, like like she's too far 1008 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.239 gone, like but also like Meyers should not have this power she cannot control. 1009 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.159 She thinks she can control it and she can use it, she cannot. 1010 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:25.159 Like this thing is like yeah untamed. Yeah, it's it's fucking horrifying. 1011 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:28.239 And the cool thing like especially like for the thermal one where they're like, 1012 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.800 oh, you can't shut what you need to shut down at this computer? 1013 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.239 You need to find like the servers. Yeah. Yeah, so I 1014 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:38.800 was like hacking things and hiding and like, oh the servers on this side 1015 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:40.480 of the room. Fuck, I need to go over there and like looking 1016 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.599 for the robot. It's like okay, throw them a hack boom, Okay, 1017 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.159 I'm good. But once you do all that, you call you confront 1018 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.320 Songbird as she's like fucking hug well, no, no, even before that. 1019 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:51.960 The whole time you're doing it, you are you birds, like memories 1020 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:56.400 are bleeding in and you're seeing them, so you're singing these little moments you 1021 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.840 see, like when she takes the oath from Rosalind. You see when like 1022 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:04.679 you know, like she stay day with you, you know, read meets 1023 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:11.119 her and basically says like, hey, either you're helping us or net Watch 1024 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.719 is cracking down on you. And then you get this like real extended moment 1025 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:19.760 where you kind of like get sucked in like apartment and you can see like 1026 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.800 her as like a kid and then like growing up and like how this like 1027 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:29.000 led to her getting involved? That was That was the first moment in this 1028 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.360 game. I like a fucking cried, Like that hits so hard for me 1029 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:36.920 because like the robot is the way it's set up is that the robot finally 1030 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.760 catches up to you and it's about to kill you. And then that's when 1031 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.920 you you you go into like her mind basically, and it's in her Brooklyn 1032 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.360 apartment. And I didn't realize that until you like look out the window. 1033 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:46.800 I'm like, oh shit, where am I. It's like, oh, 1034 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.800 I'm in her old apartment. I guess I could kind of tell you. 1035 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:53.079 Look outside. I was like, oh, this isn't a night city. 1036 01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:56.679 This is her old apartment that she talked about earlier early, like, oh 1037 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.239 I miss Brooklyn. Yeah, that's where I grew up, had so many 1038 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.760 friends. But you know that's my past life. I can't can't go back. 1039 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.159 I wish I could, but I can't. You see those friends, 1040 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:08.760 see them like hanging out with her and like throwing her birthday party. Yeah, 1041 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:13.079 birthday party. They're getting drunk and she had like with this one guy. 1042 01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.800 Yeah. Yeah, it's just like got short hair. She's like a 1043 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.039 punk kid. And then you can inspect her her apartment. You can see 1044 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.320 the photos on the wall. Yeah, she's listening to she's listening to Samurai. 1045 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:28.320 Yeah, and that's crazy. And I was looking at the pictures on 1046 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.039 the wall and there's that that one spot in in New York where you could 1047 01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.960 see the bridge in the background with that thing, and it's it's her and 1048 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.239 three of her friends taking a picture there. And I'm like, this is 1049 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:44.239 so this just feels so real right now. Yeah, I can identify with 1050 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:47.320 songbirds, so like strongly in this moment, and you look at like the 1051 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.760 other pictures that she has, one with her mom on vacation, and I'm 1052 01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:54.800 like, holy shit, dude, this is a lot right now. And 1053 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.360 I was just like yeah, and seeing all that in contrast where like where 1054 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.039 she is now like on the verge of like just like wow, she had 1055 01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:08.039 she had a pretty cool life before before allowed up into the whole like Fia 1056 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:11.719 and yeah, especially because at the beginning of the game, like it kind 1057 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.400 of sweeps you into the whole like ah, like we're doing a cool spy 1058 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:15.880 thing, and like, oh, it isn't being a cool spy fun? 1059 01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.239 And then like it's just like no, it really is. It actually super 1060 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:24.640 sucks, which is kind of and we'll get into the ending ending, but 1061 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:28.119 I feel like almost the theme of this deal scene that ending is like maybe 1062 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.279 maybe being a normal person is actually okay, Like like you know what I 1063 01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.640 mean, this game maybe says like maybe, yeah, especially the yeah, 1064 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.640 it's like maybe it's all it's all right to just be a face in the 1065 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:45.199 crowd. That might actually be better. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, 1066 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.039 just that whole song Bird sequence though, like especially as like you you dig 1067 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:55.039 deeper, deeper, deeper into her memories, you see the apartment itself starting 1068 01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.720 to collapse from the black wall, and you just like cornered, and she 1069 01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.680 says her memories are just face and how she losing herself, like they you 1070 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.279 have that moment where you can like comfort her or whatever, and she was 1071 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.960 like, she's like, thanks to me, I'm going to remember this, 1072 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:12.359 like this might be all I have to remember as like as I die, 1073 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.239 I die, and as these memories are just getting wiped and it's like, 1074 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:19.840 fuck, man's heartbreaking. That shit fucked me up, dude, Like and 1075 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:24.439 then you see her in the thing like you said, uh like wired up, 1076 01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:27.479 which as you remember you mentioned like you're like, man, I wish 1077 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.439 I could take a screenshot of this because like the imagery of it, or 1078 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.119 I wish I could share it. I took it, share it because it's 1079 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:38.279 like the imagery of it is like it's really good, man. But yeah, 1080 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.880 so then you have the option to save her or save her save her 1081 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:48.640 hand over read or if you don't. Uh, your conversation with Reid in 1082 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.960 the car when you're pretty very different, it's very different, and it's like 1083 01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.199 it's pissed. He's like not even pissed. He's just like disappointed and like, 1084 01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.199 yeah, it's it's he's like, I could have saved her. It's 1085 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:04.039 tragic because he's still convinced. He's still convinced if I just had it should 1086 01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:05.840 have been me. If I just had some time with her, I could 1087 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:10.520 have convinced her. And it's like, no, you didn't learn anything throughout 1088 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:13.920 this whole thing. And again you as v get to you can like tell 1089 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.680 him that you could just dridably yell at his face and be like, dude, 1090 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:20.640 like fucking figure it out, Like could not do anything. What really 1091 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:25.199 fucking pissed me off was when you talked to Myers and you're like, you 1092 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.640 gave her no other option. She had to do it. And she's like 1093 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.800 there's always an option, we choose to live, not die or whatever, 1094 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.520 and I just like, I was just like I want to like fucking blow 1095 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.640 up your fucking car. It was like you did this, you bitch. 1096 01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:41.800 Yeah, oh my god, oh that's like you you hate Myers so much 1097 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.399 in that moment, and it's just like this, why is that this game 1098 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.720 is making me feel like so angry? Did you take the metal? No, 1099 01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:56.880 keeping stupid, I took the metal cop no, but I was I 1100 01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.600 did a like, oh yeah, fuck you. I guess thanks, and 1101 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:01.439 then I think it was like like thank you for your service. Yeah, 1102 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:03.039 and I think I told like weird. I was like, yeah, I'm 1103 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.600 gonna sell the ship. Yeah. Yeah, that's so funny. And he's 1104 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:10.479 like, yeah, do whatever you want with it. I don't give a 1105 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:16.319 shit. Do what Songbird did? Y yeahs another small detail, like it's 1106 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.399 just like oh wow, there's just so much depth to these characters. So 1107 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.600 we've been at it for a while, but we have we have one more 1108 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:30.560 thing. If you let Songbird live, then you get it doesn't matter which 1109 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:34.439 troute you take. As long as she lives, you will get a final 1110 01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:38.640 ending, or not a final ending, but a separate ending. You ending 1111 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:45.640 ties in to the events of Phantom movie were particularly read basically facilitates a cure, 1112 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.319 like helps bring a cure for you, but there's a catch. Yeah, 1113 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.319 so and so instead of going to our SOCCA, you like get on 1114 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:57.039 medical vehicle and you like fly away and the I mean, first off, 1115 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.840 the scene, the scene, the conversation in the as you're like watching night 1116 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.399 City leave and you're like, you know, oh man, before that, 1117 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:08.560 yeah, even before that we're like Johnny's just like you're on the rooftop talking 1118 01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:13.079 to him. He's pissed because he's like, this isn't how I wanted to 1119 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.600 go out, like just like on a table like nothing, and it's like 1120 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.119 he's just like, I want you to fucking apologize for murdering me, and 1121 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:25.119 you're like fuck, man like, and like what's interesting is having like replayed 1122 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:27.880 so much of twenty seventy seven before doing this. Is like you get to 1123 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:32.079 a point where Johnny is like like, hey, I I will give I 1124 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:35.840 will I want you to live. I will like give up my whatever I 1125 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:40.680 am so you can continue living if it comes to that. But like, 1126 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:45.079 but he wants you to put up a fight for exactly he wants the arisaka 1127 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.680 going guns blazing moment and he's like, dude, this shit's fucking weak. 1128 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:54.520 Like we're just gonna go go to like the government quietly. Yeah, and 1129 01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:00.199 like, oh, it's just it's heartbreaks, heartbreaking. Keanu Reeves is a 1130 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.720 really good performance there on that. Yeah, that whole sequence is like incredible 1131 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.079 performance. And I think the thing that the second time I teared up in 1132 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:11.199 this game is it when he says I can forgive you. Yeah that that 1133 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:14.720 that ruined me too. Yeah, man, I didn't think you would after 1134 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:16.680 all of that. But then like when he sits down and he's like, 1135 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.960 I think I can forgive you, and then your vision fades away and like 1136 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:25.079 that's the last thing he says to you. And even like before that, 1137 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.640 he's like, you know what we like, I think you know, we 1138 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:30.880 weren't so different after all, or like yeah, I can respect you, 1139 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.920 but like, man, this this shit fucking sucks. And then yeah, 1140 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.239 you say it's like oh Kenny from you. He's like, yeah, I 1141 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:40.199 guess so. And then you wake up on the table or wake up in 1142 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:43.560 the bed two years later, two years later, which they don't reveal quite 1143 01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:45.720 yet, Yeah, comes into the room. What I love about it is 1144 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:51.479 how it it starts very like, oh, the sun is shining, like 1145 01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:55.760 outside looks beautiful, and you're like you see the flag and the like this 1146 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.720 is it. This is the good ending because because there is no like quote 1147 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:01.760 good and I would say the closest good ending cyberpunk has is the one where 1148 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.079 you leave with all the caldos at the end, Like that's the one that 1149 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.399 feels the most like v you got out, but every other ending kind of 1150 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:13.000 has like this like sort of like caveat to it. And at first you 1151 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.680 feel like this is going to be like the like quote best ending for V 1152 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.359 and they kind of set it up that way at the beginning, like you 1153 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:21.479 got out, you got you were able to do it, you didn't even 1154 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:26.439 have to do violence. It's always something, though, and there's always something 1155 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.920 And I really like, did wonder if they were going to give you that, 1156 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.720 because I feel like it would be real. It's really easy, especially 1157 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.479 it's like a DLC to be like we'll give you like an happy ending, 1158 01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.399 We'll give you an extra super happy ending, and like I feel like, 1159 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.720 yeah, like it would be so easy for like to give into that like 1160 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.760 that idea, and they so I have so much respect that they said, 1161 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.560 no, We're going to give you the saddest of all the ending depending on 1162 01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:53.279 how you look at it, but overall it's it's sad hopeful, but also 1163 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:58.479 fu it is so it is it is just like you feel really really like 1164 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.000 regretful. There's an at least for me, I felt like there's like so 1165 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.800 much regret in that decision, Like you got what you wanted, but at 1166 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.279 what cost? What cost? Because like, yeah, Reid comes into the 1167 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:11.439 room and says, hey, you finally woke up, and you're like, 1168 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:13.960 oh, yeah, yes Solomon, Yeah, I guess it's good to see 1169 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:15.800 you, man whatever. And then you're kind of like you're like, oh, 1170 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:17.600 you seem a little different, you know. Yeah, and then he's 1171 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.600 like in a suit and everything. He's got an office job too, and 1172 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:27.199 it's like it's like he that was fast, He's already back in it. 1173 01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:30.520 Yeah yeah wow, V tells everyone I'll be back in like a couple of 1174 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.479 weeks. Yeah. Yeah, that's the whole thing, like most you know. 1175 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.560 Yeah, and then so's he's talking to you, and then you basically 1176 01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:39.920 say to him it's like, oh, yeah, I guess I guess I'm 1177 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:42.399 healed, but like tell me, like there's gotten there's a catch, right, 1178 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.399 And he's like, yes, there's a catch. You've been out for 1179 01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:51.760 two years. And also you cannot use any cyberwear any more ambatwear, like 1180 01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.479 yeah, because like you still get the like you get like the basic wire, 1181 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.239 but like that is it like your body is just like at capacity yeah 1182 01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.079 and barely walk. Yeah. Well, I mean you've been in bed for 1183 01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.680 two years yea, yeah, but yeah, there's like we got rid of 1184 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:09.439 all of your cyberware and you can never never use it ever again. And 1185 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.520 first for a character like V, who's no matter what route you choose, 1186 01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.800 who's like set up to be the cybernetic badass. You spend so much time 1187 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.399 like building your character with your cyberlity, that is their identity, and you 1188 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:23.439 take that away so you can live. And it's kind of like maybe V 1189 01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.119 was kind of like in Songbird's position, like if you take away everything that 1190 01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.720 might take away my identity and this is all I have left, then what's 1191 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.000 the point of living? Yeah? Yeah, like I felt that's that's somberness, 1192 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:38.720 the kind of like weighing V down right as you go through this like 1193 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:43.279 you and then you slowly go through this heartbreaking ending you sort of starts with 1194 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.159 the phone calls. Yeah, where you get to call all your friends, 1195 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:51.199 all your friends the anime time skip and and like the first is like I 1196 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.039 romance Judy, So I was like, all right, I got a call 1197 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:57.439 of Judy. You see the text messages where it's like hey, V, 1198 01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.159 like we should do this when you get back, Hey V, We're where 1199 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:01.239 have you been? It's been four months? See what's going on? And 1200 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:04.039 then you see like twenty seven miss phone calls from Judy and I was like, 1201 01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:10.640 oh my god, and you call her and she has moved the fuck 1202 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:14.439 on and it is new haircut, new haircut. She's like, I am 1203 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:21.520 in Pittsburgh now I am married. And it's like like, oh, you 1204 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:26.279 could just feel the oh my god, like yeah, And that's kind of 1205 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:30.279 like the gist of all the different phone calls with they do a little twist 1206 01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:32.680 on each one, which I like, like, PanAm, you just can't 1207 01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.399 reach it. Yeah, PanAm, straight up just not like her number is 1208 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:41.720 like disconnected, like she like blocked your ass, Like, but I think 1209 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.880 is it. Mitch does send a response being like oh no again, you're 1210 01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.560 not. At the very end of the post credit thing. Mitch sends response 1211 01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.920 to being like hey, Vy, don't don't don't call like she's he's like 1212 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.560 I understand what happened to you, But he's like, PanAm, like it 1213 01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:00.600 was too much for her, like don't ye, don't call, Like Carries, 1214 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.680 where he's like the one who's like I didn't see oh oh, Carries 1215 01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:09.399 is interesting because far the story I called Carry and he's like on tour, 1216 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.640 he's like doing well, and he's like but he's like very distant from you. 1217 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:15.039 So he's like he's like, oh, yo, Vie, what's up? 1218 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.479 Like, oh, I can't believe it's crazy. We should catch up. 1219 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:20.439 But he's like he keeps be like hey, I'm on a fucking phone 1220 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:24.479 call, like you know, he's and and and you're like trying to talk 1221 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:26.800 to him. You're like, dude, like I can't use my stick where 1222 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.159 I can't do this, and he's like not really there, he's not really 1223 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:30.760 paying attention to you. He's like what was that v Like wow, Like 1224 01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:35.960 he's distracted, and it's like he's like, yeah, yeah, we'll definitely 1225 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.520 catch up, and you're like, we're not catching up. No, Like 1226 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:43.680 he's he's trying to be nice, but it's not catching up. And then 1227 01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:47.199 and then Rivers was basically like I made a really fucked up choice while you're 1228 01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:50.439 gone, and everything's bad now now my life is shit. And then it's 1229 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.560 just like, well, should I come see you? And he's like I 1230 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.880 don't want to look you in the eyes. Yeah I've done after what I've 1231 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.439 done, and you're like god damn. And then the only one who picks 1232 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.479 up is then like or who is like positive and I'm like, hell yeah, 1233 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:09.000 Vic always in my this brief moment of like all right, we got 1234 01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:11.960 Vic still, the guy who was with us at the beginning, set us 1235 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.239 up, who believed in you. He believed in the dream. We're gonna 1236 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:21.159 go to Night City and we're gonna come out with Vic out. He's a 1237 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:27.159 sellout. That moment that's slow, like oh, because you're like where's Misty? 1238 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:31.079 Yeah, Oh what happened to the shop? Oh yeah? And like 1239 01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:33.960 and then he you have that conversation with him where you're you're kind of like, 1240 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.680 oh yeah, like data tack, that's crazy. I thought you. 1241 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:40.439 I thought you were always going to be like the underground rebellious type whatever. 1242 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:42.640 He's like, you know, at some point he did to grow up and 1243 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:44.880 you just need to like work within the system. And I'm like bring him 1244 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:50.000 alcohol and he's like yeah, and and and you can kind of like be 1245 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:54.359 polite or you can kind of be like you can what the fuck? Man? 1246 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:58.039 Like I think even to like back it up a little bit, like 1247 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.720 when you arrive in Night City and you have that right and you're driving through 1248 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.159 and like looking out the windows. Also, that conversation changed depending on if 1249 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:09.039 you do the Delamain Quest, yes it does, which I really like, 1250 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.279 you get the AI Kid or whatever you get. Yeah, I did the 1251 01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:14.880 AI Kid once, so I got that, which is cool. But yeah 1252 01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.600 you get a c Night City and how it's changed. But like even that 1253 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:20.880 hit pretty hard because I was like, like, I've played like two hundred 1254 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:26.199 hours of Cyberpunk, like did all basically all the ending, so I've request 1255 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.680 I started multiple games, done like all the other things, and like driving 1256 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:35.199 through there and seeing how much things had changed like just kind of hard. 1257 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:41.600 I don't know, it's just like it's so it's real. It feels so 1258 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.800 real, feel real, Like it feels like you know, and like you 1259 01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:47.199 leave your hometown for a very long time and then you come back and it's 1260 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:51.520 like different, it's the same, but it's not I can't put my finger 1261 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:55.720 on it, like beyond just like oh yeah this shop is different or whatever. 1262 01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.600 It's not even just that, it's also that feeling that like you were 1263 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.880 like I ran this ship, like me and my friends we were like these 1264 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.039 are our streets, our streets, and then you go back and it's like 1265 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:10.399 and like those and you're like they're like hey, like you you were tourists 1266 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:12.760 and you're like, no, no, no, I'm from here. Two 1267 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.199 years you can know, like you could if your street kid, you'd be 1268 01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:16.439 like, oh, yeah, I know Padre and they're like, who gives 1269 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:25.479 a fuck? Full two years you ain't nobody anymore. Yeah, And you 1270 01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:30.399 realize that giving up your cyberware, you are now powerless in a city that 1271 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.479 is that runs on cyberware, and you feel, I can't believe that, 1272 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.720 you know. I was slicing fools and I had like mansis blades and shit, 1273 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:40.199 and now I'm just like, yo, I can die any minute if 1274 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.439 I'm caught in the wrong, like the wrong street or whatever. And that's 1275 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:47.159 like was dead when she got punched, Like yeah, I was like, 1276 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.680 is this how it ends? So that would have been dark? Ye, 1277 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:56.840 thankfully, that's But what I like about the ending is how as sad and 1278 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.399 dark as it is, Misty Misty shows up and she's there to like kind 1279 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:04.920 of flip the situation on its head and and be like, hey, like 1280 01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:11.680 it feels like your life is over, but that doesn't mean your life is 1281 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.640 over, and like, you know, you can move on and you can 1282 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.560 do something different and like, you know, get out of the night City 1283 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.960 entirely can get a night say entirely, and they kind of leave it up 1284 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:23.319 to you, like are you gonna take that desk job from read? Are 1285 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:26.680 you gonna just you know, find an apartment here? Like you know, 1286 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.720 but it's just like you can't be who you were. You got to be 1287 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.319 the face in the crowd now you got to become an NPC in like City. 1288 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.159 Like you thought you were the main character, not anymore. Yeah, 1289 01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:40.079 and like like, yeah, Misty is such a good character to do that 1290 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:43.399 with. Also, yes, agree, and like the way she talks to 1291 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.159 you feels so real where it's like, yeah, this is a supportive friend 1292 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:48.720 who kind of understands my situation. Yeah, and kind of gives you a 1293 01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:54.680 positive spin and something that is so depressing. Absolutely, and then they pull 1294 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:59.359 back and reveal like how sickly Yeah he looks and you're like you're head shaved 1295 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:01.680 and you're looking mirror when in the hospital now, because yeah, I did 1296 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.399 that first thing I did you can look in the mirror. I was like, 1297 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:08.000 what the head say, Oh I didn't do that, So that reveal 1298 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:12.840 at the end of like pulling back and I was like, oh no. 1299 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:15.399 And then and then you know, Misty gets in the car and V kind 1300 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:21.000 of like walks away, and depending on how you feel like it can feel 1301 01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:25.600 either sad or hopeful, like depending on how you used to view this situation. 1302 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.720 Which is what I love about that ending, is it It gives you 1303 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:32.119 like a role playing agency and like how would my V react to this? 1304 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:34.279 What does my V do? It kind of leads it up to you, 1305 01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:40.159 like all right, you can now imagine what your V does with this situation 1306 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:43.560 they've been given. Go write your rule thirty four, not real thirty four, 1307 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:48.720 sorry the other the other one. I don't know any other rule. 1308 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:53.800 No, no, no, no, no, the fuck this took a 1309 01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:56.239 real wild turn. Yeah, I gotta write my rule thirty four about d 1310 01:23:56.439 --> 01:24:01.439 no the fan pick website, I forget the name. Oh yeah yeah archive 1311 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:10.560 y close, but I don't know who you ask, but yeah, we'll 1312 01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:16.239 say my like response, Like after that conversation with Misty and she was like 1313 01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:19.520 you can do whatever you want, I was like, all right, I'm 1314 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:24.920 finding the all decados. I'm gonna go with PanAm like that, like even 1315 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.760 though I try, but I mean, you know, I was like, 1316 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.680 I was like, I'm talk to me anymore. I would have wanted to 1317 01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.319 do that, but yeah, Like then you get Mitch being like don't come, 1318 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:38.760 yeah, do not come? Yeah. Yeah. Those little extras they 1319 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:42.600 have the little like ending credit bits where you get yeah, the voice messages. 1320 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.199 The one with Read in particular is like where he's just like, hey, 1321 01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.479 V, like I was serious if you want to take this job, 1322 01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:50.279 and he's like, you know it, don't don't think of it as like 1323 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:55.239 a you know he's he's like, he's like, you're doing me a favor. 1324 01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:57.239 And he's like he's like I can help you, V. And he 1325 01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:00.680 says it again yes, And I was like, you mother, he's still 1326 01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.399 doing this. She's like, he's trying to turn me into into like so 1327 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.920 me. He's trying to replace so me with me because he's like because he 1328 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.720 needs someone to fix yeah, and like oh, hearing that line, maybe 1329 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.880 be like, no, I'm not going back there. I'm not taking that 1330 01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.479 job because like read, no, I'm not doing that. Like fuck that, 1331 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:23.119 Like re Read is he's he's a sick man who has a problem. 1332 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:28.640 Yeah, it's that. It's like consistent and the same fucking squawed person to 1333 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.800 the very end, the very end that is at that point, at that 1334 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:34.720 point and you're like you just you know, you don't like read, but 1335 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:42.079 god damn is that a good character. That is a great performance and like 1336 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.359 song sow me also just like amazing performances across the board, and just like 1337 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:49.479 everything with what you said about Johnny, it's like this is this stuff is 1338 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.520 unforgettable. Man, this is even Like I mean, we haven't talked at 1339 01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.199 all about Kurt Hanson, but I thought he was a pretty good villain too. 1340 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:58.319 Like he doesn't have a lot of screen time, but I feel like 1341 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:00.520 when he does show up, it's used very well, Like when he shows 1342 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:04.319 up at the party and he's like he's like, yeah, your buddies out. 1343 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:06.840 I know you're I know what you're up to. I know you're in 1344 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.520 USA, Like get out of here. But then when you have that confrontation 1345 01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:16.199 with him as the twins too too, Yeah, I like studied their dossier, 1346 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:20.399 yeah and the answers getting the right answers, and it's like, yeah, 1347 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.479 there was one where like I kind of messed up, but I like 1348 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.840 I like recovered it well where I was like he was like, oh, 1349 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:29.119 can we like get a contact with this person? And I was like, 1350 01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:33.000 oh, yeah, like we're we're like closest we're tight as you know, 1351 01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:36.239 I think as thieves. And he's like, oh, I heard y'all some 1352 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:40.079 drama and I spun as like, oh, well, you know that's just 1353 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:42.920 for like the outside stuff. But like I'm like, I was like, 1354 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.479 you you do the same thing where you act like you hate the cops, 1355 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.960 but then you're working with them. He was like fair play, and I 1356 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:53.920 was like that the right. God, the writing in that sequence and the 1357 01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:57.199 way kind of like webs around the different choices that you make are like, 1358 01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:01.039 So I'm curious, is it possible to like true even failing like what happens? 1359 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.960 I don't know. Well, anyway, I think we've got to end 1360 01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:09.079 it. Other people have to use this room. That's We've been pretty exhaustive 1361 01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:13.640 on this discussion. But yeah, that is our Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven Phantom 1362 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:15.640 Liberty spoiler cast. Let us know what you guys think in the comments below. 1363 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.560 Obviously we all feel very strongly about it, but if you want to 1364 01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:25.439 know more, make sure to read Michael's review game spot ten out of ten. 1365 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:29.960 Babe happened very often, and alongside this, we have a bunch of 1366 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:38.039 Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven related videos going up, including something that is big. 1367 01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:41.720 Yes, John Luke and I and Tamore and Lucy and a bunch of people 1368 01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:43.960 been working on for a very long time. In fact, by the time 1369 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:46.239 you're seeing this, we've already shot it. So you know, maybe there'll 1370 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:48.319 be some details out about them. Yeah, maybe there'll be some details. 1371 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:51.239 I don't know how much I can say and can't say, but stay tuned 1372 01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:56.439 for that. Excited, very excited about it. But anyway, we'll see 1373 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:57.720 you next time. Peace. Thanks