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Welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred
wl W Garry Jeff Walker was one of

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my rare chances to talk to you
during the summer months, and Reds Baseball

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on Joy. We're at the All
Star Break and tonight at Arley contextas at

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Worldwide Field, the home run derby
tomorrow night, the Al versus the NL

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And I thought, you know,
just as a special kind of thing,

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how about we get somebody who not
only loves baseball, but has been to

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numerous ballparks around the country to talk
baseball and traveling. And there is no

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greater than well, let's introduce him
this way. The wiz Kids had won

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it, Bobby tom Sinning had done
it, and you will be ready the

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comics, all who won the Rock
and Roll was being born to marijuana.

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We would scorn so down on the
corner of the national pastime went on traps

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talking ball. That's right. It's
great, Terry Cashman talking basketball. That's

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right, with Willie Mickey and the
Duke and more and more and more ever

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since Flash Phelps joins us the host
of sarius XM sixties Gold in the Mornings,

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and again a guy who's been to
all fifty states all but a few

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hundred counties in the entire country.
And I know he's a huge baseball fan.

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Flash you are you are a guest
for this first hour on the All

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Star Break and oh, this is
so nice. Uh. I know that

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you sent me a picture of you
in the broadcast booth in Boston during a

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Red Sox game. Do you have
a that was Yeah, that was actually

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here in Baltimore. That's joke is
Stiglion and the uh. And he's getting

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ready to be inducted into the Baseball
Hall of Fame on Saturday. So I'm

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I'll be on my way to Cooperstown
so later in the week, and he

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wants to see me. Inductor is
very cool. In the mail, I

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get a thing from the Baseball Hall
of Fame, Cooperstown, New York.

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You are quarterly invited to be here
thanks to Jokestigli and his wife Jen,

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and they invited me. So I'll
be out there. This is coming Saturday

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for broadcast because he started with Cleveland
and then he went to Boston over forty

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years. So it's just really amazing. And here's how let me can I

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tell you how we met? This
is actually really cool. Sure, So

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Sostiglia on the Voice of the Rights, and by the way, before that,

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and I'm going to start with the
guy right before that, Marty Brenneman,

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who you obviously know, who's also
in the Baseball Hall of Fame,

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and then Ford Frick Wing of Broadcasters. So let me first tell you that

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story. I'm on the air and
I get a call and I see a

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five to one three area code,
so I know it's the Cincinnati area and

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he said, Flash, it's Marty
Brenneman. And now at this point I

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didn't know who he was right away, and I go, okay, hey,

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Marty, what are you doing?
He goes, I'm driving up I

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seventy five to go to see the
Dayton Dragons. I'm talking up there.

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I say, wow, what do
you do he said, I'm with the

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Reds. I said, what do
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I'm the voice. I said,
oh jeez. So so that's how I

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met Marty. So Marty and a
man that we and by the way,

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he just went, they're overseas right
now. They just left this weekend.

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Oh so that was it. So
now I get this message from our MLB

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channel and they said, Flash,
do you know who joke Astiglio is.

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I said, you mean the Red
Sox, the voice of the Red Sox.

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They said, yeah. All he
wants to do is not talk baseball.

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When he calls in, he just
wants to talk about your travels.

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He listens to you and then goes
out and does the games. So he

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said, can I just let you
two talk? So when that he came

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down to play in Baltimore, he
came down to d C, took the

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train and hung out with me because
he wanted to meet me. And then

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I brought him back to Camden Yards. He said, come on back and

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be in the bill in the booth
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booth with him a number of times. Come to Fenway, let's meet here,

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let's and so I started meeting him
in all these different places because he's

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just a big fan and I'll listen
during the day. And then I was

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there friendly with him. But this
last time he said, Hey, I'm

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coming down the Baltimore and can you
be in the booth. And it was

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Memorial Day, so I was there
with Jokistiglio and again going into the Baseball

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Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Congratulations
Joe, and he and Marty Brenneman are

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such good friends. Marty flew into
Boston to hang out with him. Oh

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that is fantastic. I love the
fact that you're a baseball fan. But

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he didn't want to talk about baseball. He wanted to talk about your travels,

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much like me. I mean,
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baseball a little bit. Because of
your travels around the country. How many

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ballparks have you been to? Flash, you're ready for this, all right,

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There's thirty MLB stadiums. I've been
to all thirty of them. There

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are two hundred and six MiLB stadiums
for a total in MLB and m ILB

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for two hundred and thirty six stadiums. You want to take a guess how

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many I've been to? How many? Two hundred and thirty three? I'm

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only missing three. You say,
m ILB. What is mi ILB for

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the uninitiative? Okay, that's the
minor leagues underneath so underneath the red so

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you would have all the different whether
or not you're talking about Louisville and all

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the way down, so all the
different ones that because what happens, they're

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independent, so and including your Florence
Yawls, so that's independent, though I've

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been to the stadium. I've been
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But see, MLB had so many
teams that they could have under it,

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and then they said, okay,
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so a couple of years ago and
they made it two hundred and six teams

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and it used to be more than
that. So that's why all these other

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leagues are in there. But here
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the MLB stadiums and m ILB for
minor league. The three I'm missing are

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Hillsboro High Tops, which a lot
of people probably couldn't even tell you where

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Hillsboro is. That's Oregon. It's
a suburb to Portland. It's Portland,

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Oregon's minor league baseball team, the
Vancouver Canadians. I've been to Van,

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but I didn't go to the stadium. So I've been over there, and

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the only one in the East is
and I've been to their old stadium but

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then't been to their new one,
and that's the Augusta Green Jackets known after

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the Masters, and they built the
stadium now on what's called them what they

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called that such as Central Savannah CSRA
is what they call it, standing for

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the Central Savannah River Area at Augusta, Georgia. So it's built on the

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South Carolina side. So those three
stadiums would then complete the two hundred and

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thirty six stadiums. So I've seen
some credit, I go all over.

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I just love seeing all these stadiums. And you know how I got into

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it because my dad, my dad. Now you've heard of the Savannah Bananas.

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Yes, okay, my dad played
at that stadium is called Grayson Stadium.

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So when my dad, this is
how my mom and dad met.

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So my dad from Baltimore and he
goes to World War Two. Once he

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gets back, he gets into baseball
and he starts playing under the Philadelphia Athletics

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in nineteen fifty and he plays for
West Palm Beach and then Savannah. These

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are both under the Philadelphia Athletics.
And you're dad were known as the my

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dad did, yeah, so the
Indians. So this is Will Phelps and

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so as he's playing there, he
is playing in Tampa and he's at the

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hotel and he sees the telephone operator
and that becomes my mom. So that's

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where they met, then they married
on the diamond. They right there at

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home Plate. They got married at
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And it took him sixteen more years
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that, I was going to say, so he played. Yeah, it

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took a little while. So I
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fifties and then really have played all
these songs originally. But that's that's where

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it all started. And so growing
up he was all about He wasn't about

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the Colts or because you know,
we had them here in Baltimore at that

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time. He was all about the
Orioles. It was just all baseball.

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Everything was baseball, and he was
so into it. And then I played

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for a while. But then I
realized he got me into a radio station

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locally, and I said, oh
my gosh, I love radio more than

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a ball and these are like you
just do whatever you love. It's better

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to get paid for whatever you love
doing. And that's how I got into

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radio, because he gave me thumbs
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have rather had me play baseball.
I agree, do what you love,

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and you there's a chance that you
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really now, are they what it
was? Yeah? Are the Orioles your

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favorite team? Do you have a
favorite Major League GA? Yeah? Yeah,

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I see. I grew up here
and then I got into radio and

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going all over the place. But
I was always in some of the smaller

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markets, so I was not in
Major League cities, but I was close

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enough to others. But I stayed
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in the US. Virgin Islands was
ninety seven great year for the Orioles,

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and then but I was there in
eighty three. I was there in seventy

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nine when they lost in Game six
in the World Series of the Pirates,

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and then they lost it again in
Game seven. But it was so cool

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to go with that World Series game
at Memorial Stadium. And then after that

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in eighty three, I went out
there for the big celebration after they had

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beaten the White Sox and they came
back to Baltimore. And then that was

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when they played Phillies too. When
the last time they even won a World

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Series is As you know, it's
not an easy thing to get even get

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to a World so well, it's
been it's been since, it's been since

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nineteen ninety that the Reds have won
a World Series and that was the wire

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Away. That was the wire to
wire team that led from the beginning of

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the season to the end and then
swept the A's in the World Series in

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nineteen ninety. So Flash, we're
trying to Flash Phelps, a serious XM

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radio who's joining us tonight to talk
about his baseball travels around the country.

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And Flash, I wanted to ask
you I started. I started my radio

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career in the Nashville area, Nashville, Tennessee, and for a long long

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time, the owner of the minor
league club there, the Nashville Sounds.

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It was a sound great guy named
Larry Schmidow, and he petitioned the major

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leagues. I mean, he never
stopped. And he built this new stadium

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thinking that maybe, just maybe they'd
finally award him a Major League Baseball franchise.

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And I think there's still an opinion
now that Nashville is a major league

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town in hockey and in football obviously
that one of these days maybe one of

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these fledgling or failing MLB teams will
move to Nashville. What did you think

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about Sound Stadium in Nashville? The
new owner of the old one either one.

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I liked it. I liked the
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fact that they kept it. I
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they kept that giant scoreboard that looks
like a guitar. Did you know they

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have that on the south side of
Nashville. You can still get your photo

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with that. But uh, I
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I do like the way they built
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It's an area that needed to be
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were just fantastic in the Nashville area. Did you know Knoxville is getting the

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new state for the Tennessee Smoky No. Yeah, that's being built right now.

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So as soon as they start building
them, I want to go and

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like field the dreams oh Man out
in Iowa, you go to Dyersville and

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you just I mean, even though
it's not a stadium, you go there

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and you just relive baseball and walk
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Nashville Sun. Since we're in the
state of Tennessee, real briefly,

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I can tell you something about the
old Ingles Stadium in Chattanooga that you may

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know, let me tell you something
you do not know. You probably okay,

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yeah, tell me. I was
working in Chattanooga on the radio and

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we had a celebrity softball team for
the radio station. We are in close

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proximity proximity to Fort Payne, Alabama, where the group Alabama is from,

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and they had a celebrity softball team
to the band, did Alabama, Randy

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Owens and all those guys. Yeah, and so at the time, this

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is this and Yetty Entry, Yes, and so we're we're playing all of

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their records. At the early nineteen
eighties, even though we were a rock

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station, we played all the Alabama
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that area. You know, they're
from there. So we played all of

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the big Alabama hits. And somehow
we got the chance to host them at

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the old Ingles Stadium, which was
about to fall in on itself then forty

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years ago, and it held like
nine thousand people something like that. That

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stadium had never been sold out until
KZ one oh six played Alabama in a

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softball game and we had over nine
thousand people and you know what, flash,

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we got booed off the field at
the end of the game because we

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beat Alabama seven to six. What
a great story. And that is a

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fantastic one because I always loved the
group Alabama as well. And you know

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what country radio is how I started
in radio. My first on air job

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was playing country, but I wanted
to be on KZY one O six.

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I got the chance to be up
at WOKI in Knoxville for one night before

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they said no, oh wow,
that was. That was a quick audition.

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Yeah I was. I did five
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no, no, I was.
I was. I was on the wings

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of rock and roll as they call
it, for three and a half years

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in the early eighties, my first
big radio job away from home. Well,

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see, my mom grew up there. My mom grew up right there

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in Chattanooga. That was her whole
area as well. Yeah, so that

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was I love going over into that
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need to do is go back.
My grandparents are buried there. I never

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got a chance to meet them.
Oh they passed before I was even born,

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but I now know where they are
thanks to my uncle. He's actually

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giving me some info. So Chattanooga, I love it, Oh soakouts.

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So it's right Camden Yards is your
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which you never are since you're traveling
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favor team. Is there anything else
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as far as as baseball fields as
stadiums go, that you really love to

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go there? The it's not that
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you really like to go when you're
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the East Coast? What's your favorite? Well, see a lot of them

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are the m ILB save the minor
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the minor league ones, which I've
done. But they just built a brand

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new one right here in Hagarstown,
Maryland. So if you're coming in on

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I seventy, you always go through
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just built in downtown and they just
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and they built it all around these
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buildings and put it right in.
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Yards, having to take it out
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like the ones that bring in the
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know if you realize this, but
they always have to put home plate in

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the left in the southwest corner or
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you're playing outside, it's always the
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its face. Did you realize that? So you'll always notice home plate is

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always southwest corner or the right in
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So it's kind of tough where Sometimes
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want to have that opening in the
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just don't have that area on the
southwest side. Baltimore they did, and

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having Camden Yards, let's get that
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get a chance for it as well, though the uh you get that more

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of that opening towards the Ohio River
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more in the northwest corner. As
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side of the stadium, it doesn't
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usually they're at seven or eight o'clock
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they do that. But yeah,
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the Ohio River and the and to
be able to see that purple bridge down

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the road, Yeah, the purple
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one. I Likewport so word yet, that's right. I work in Newport

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and live just about it. I
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from the stadium there on the Riverfront. I remember the Riverfront, the Riverfront

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Stadium that used to host both the
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Uh right, and yeah, and
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just love Great American Ballpark over Riverfront. Riverfront was one of those nineteen sixties

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nineteen seventies kind of cookie cutter round
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like it looked like exactly a bush. Yes it did. But Great American

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Ballpark, and I know you've been
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thing about Great American Ballpark to me
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be anywhere in the stadium and you
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I mean, the site lines are
unbelievable. Yeah, isn't it.

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Amazing how they can build that,
Unlike in the past where you had to

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oh, you might be behind a
post right here in the old stadiums and

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you have a bad view. But
now it's like, how do they architecturally

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build them where everybody can see you
and these people are hanging above you and

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all that weight. It's amazing what
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we get today. I tell you
what, Flash Phelps, let's sit and

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do another another segment if you don't
mind. We've only made it to just

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about a third of the country in
the ballparks. This is like when we

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were so we were on the last
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the states and get you give me
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don't know, maybe twenty five states. Then the time was over. So

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if you will be indulgent indulgent of
me, we will take a break and

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come back more with Flash Phelps on
his travels around the country to America's great

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baseball parks. He's been to all
but three of the MLB and the MiLB

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stadiums and parks around the country.
It's the Nightcap and it continues here on

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this All Star Week on seven hundred
WLW US America with the one the Only

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Flash Phelps from Sirius XM. He
is our guest once again on his travels

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around the country, and he has
been literally, well, if not everywhere,

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very close. So in the last
half hour football Stadium, right in

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the last half hour, we talked
about Camden Yards, we talked about the

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Orioles and being at Fenway Park in
Boston a little bit. We didn't get

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to Yankee Stadium. What are your
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historic ballparks around the country. Yeah, the first time I ever went,

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I went to the old Yankee Stadium
and I was just hoping everything would be

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all right, And the same thing
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because I the terrible thing is where
people put things in your mind going,

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oh it's the Bronx, and you
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should I even go well, and
then all of a sudden you go

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and you go, hey, this
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like me going to Coney Island and
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don't let anybody put something bad into
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a really incredible area with their monument
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just up the street. I like
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yep, another great stadium. I
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incredible to say about it. I've
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ever been down to Steinbrunner Field,
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they because I've been to all the
spring training stadiums as well. So I've

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done all the spring training. And
by the way, if you drive around

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in Phoenix, you can in about
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You can't do that in Florida seven
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stadium in Arizona. Well, you
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only thing is it's problem more problematic
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for spring training baseball than it was
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you're there with clean in the same
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people who used to trek down to
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was down in I think Sarasota perhaps, or wherever it was, and and

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that was that was kind of like
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on making who was really into baseball
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get to Phoenix, all of the
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close proximity, right, Yeah,
it was. It was up until about

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twenty ten, twenty eleven they made
the move. Colorado Rockies and the Arizona

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Diamondbacks used to play down the in
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and they decided, let's build Salt
River Field, so they built that over

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on the east side. So if
you're familiar with the loopuan oh one,

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so you have Cincinnati and Cleveland out
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the Phoenix Raceway is, that's right
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in and Milwaukee is next, and
then you go around Loop wana one and

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you'll go by every one of the
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you just have to hop off for
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the other side where the Cubs are
and the Oakland A's or the A's whatever

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they're going to be after this,
So that's all in that area. So

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you can do that a lot faster. So for Cincinnati Reds fans, if

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you haven't gone out to Phoenix,
if it doesn't matter where they're playing,

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that's the best thing. So you
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Oh, your team's going to be
playing. They try to keep them

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pretty close now, but sometimes you
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not Southwest Florida side, or you'll
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or Toronto, which is up in
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away because as you know, the
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area and they moved down to Northport, which Northport is right there next to

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the north of Port Myers right there, so there almost everybody's near each other.

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Flash as a kid, I grew
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in the West side of Chicago for
about six years and my dad, my

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dad did take us once to the
old Komiskey Park, which wasn't a really

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bad part of Chicago. I mean
it's still the South Side is not exactly

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exemplary of somebody you want to take
a family to necessarily. But as you

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mentioned earlier, see for yourself.
Don't listen to the warnings of other people

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before you make a judgment. But
I will tell you that in third and

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fourth grades both years, our field
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Illinois to downtown Chicago consisted of seeing
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and then going to a Cubs game
because they were still all played during the

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daytime. Then yeah, and there
is there is absolutely nothing like Wrigley Field

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being a six seven year old kid
and walking into that environment the first time

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on a field trip from school.
Not only was I getting out of school,

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but I was getting to walk into
this environment that has its own atmosphere,

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the ivy colored walls, and you
know just how Wriggly Field is.

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Give me your thoughts on Chicago Cub's
Wriggly Field flash. See. I always

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love it because do you remember there
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I remember because I was watching the
movie The Blues Brothers. Yes,

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this is prior to me going so
in nineteen eighty and that Dan Ackroid says

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to John Belushi, what address did
you give him? And he gives them

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the address right there on Addison,
and dan Ackroyd sits back. He goes,

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that's wriggly Field. You gave him
a wriggly Field, Do you remember

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that? And the cops showed up
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oh my gosh. But so when
I got to Chicago, the first

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time I ever won was nineteen eighty
three, and this was the year.

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I'm pretty sure the All Star Game
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And so here it is the summer
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and I see Wrigley Field for the
very first time. So and then years

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later I was doing a tour with
the Sally Radio and I made a stop

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there as well. I got a
picture right in front. I went back.

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Last time I went back was about
five six years ago. But just

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a fantastic you know what. I
love that whole area. When we talk

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about Wrigleyville, it's just it's the
experience when they can put these baseball stadiums

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and have a field. It's the
same thing with Cincinnati. You have places

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to walk around, you have all
the restaurants, right there on the riverfront,

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and the same thing with Chicago.
You have other places to go besides

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walking around seeing that Harry Kerry statue
were and seeing all the statues all the

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way around. But that's one thing. I love how classic it is.

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So that's one of the things that
you like and go, gosh, I

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hope they never build another stadium,
even though what's going to happen now that

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it's over one hundred years old.
Same thing with Fenway. But I don't

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think that we'll ever, probably in
our lifetime, see them build another stadium

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because I think there would be an
uprising if they ever got rid of it.

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Wasn't they Oh yeah? I mean
they are doing work constantly to bolster

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the current structure to make sure that
they can preserve that history and that tradition

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in those places because it means so
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in general. Saint Louis Bush Stadium, the new one, What do you

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think? Oh? The new I
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way that they had built that in
there as well, and that they had

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to build it over top of the
other one. And when you're walking down

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and you have everything in there in
the dotted line. So you'll go over

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to the Jack Buck statue and when
you see his bust, you'll see right

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there there's the dotted line. This
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So it shows you how they had
to build one inside the other. Same

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thing with Shay Stadium and with City
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of the area, and they couldn't
finish one until they had the other one

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done. So I do like Bush
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by the way, I was talking
about DeNora on my show Pennsylvania, which

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happens to be the home of stam
Usual. Stam Usual Also Ken Griffy Senior

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and Ken Griffy Junior are all from
Donora, Pennsylvania. Together those three have

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it more MLB home runs over a
thousand than came from any other city.

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All three were born in Donra,
Pa, just south of Pittsburgh. Did

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you realize that amazing? That was
a very cool thing. And being in

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Cincinnati. Being in Cincinnati, I
should know where the Griffies came from originally,

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and the entwers Donor on the Monoga
Hill River and stam Usual and this

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statue is you know, there's two
of them that are out there, and

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I love that plaza with all the
statues out front of the stadium. So

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I enjoy it. Because if you
do, like it's like when you go

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to Pittsburgh, Hey, sit me
in the upper deck so I get the

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view. I want to be an
upper deck on the leftfield, on the

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leftfield side, so I have a
view of Pittsburgh. Same thing in Saint

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Louis where you go, Well,
sit me down here on the right field

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side, because I want the view
of the art. Sometimes I want to

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sit in a place where I get
the view more than the game because it's

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like, oh, I love the
experience of just this view. Sure lots

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to see besides baseball when you go
to these parks. So you're going to

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Cooperstown, home of the Baseball Hall
of Fame, later this week. Tell

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me about Cooperstown, New York.
I've never been. Oh, it is

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so cool. So if you're ever
in upstate New York. So you got

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Buffalo out on the west, and
the next city's of Rochester, Syracuse,

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and then you come up to Uticorome. Right below Uticorome, this will be

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west of Albany. I just took
you right across the New Jersey State through

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it. Then you have Binghamton,
which is on that northwest corner of Pennsylvania,

406
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a little northeast. I eighty eight
is what connects Binghamton up to Albany

407
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Schenectady, and then right there in
these hilly areas, and this happens to

408
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be the start of the Susquehanna River, which is really weird. I live

409
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.000
on the Susquehanna River in Maryland.
Now that river runs from Cooperstown and it

410
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:03.000
goes all the way down through pennsyl
comes down through Harrisburg until it finally dumps

411
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.720
out at the Chesapeake Bay, which
is where I live right here, at

412
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the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay on
the same river. So all I have

413
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.440
to do if I could go up
the river backwards, I'd end up in

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00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:18.480
Cooperstown. But it's this, it's
this really small town. I just I

415
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.799
just had this image of you at
a rowboat growing backwards up the river,

416
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.839
and the eventually, if I could
do it, I would get to Cooper's

417
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.079
down that It'll be a lot quicker
in my four or five, five six

418
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.839
hours to drive up there. But
here's one thing I've never been to Cooper'stown

419
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.880
during the Baseball Hall of Fame weekend. So this is going to be the

420
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.759
experience I'm used to driving in and
then going, oh, this is really

421
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.319
cool. I can drive around.
I'll just park here. Now I have

422
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.920
no idea what do you expect for
this weekend. I just know that the

423
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.880
induction ceremony for Joe's going to be
on the north side, So I may

424
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.680
have to go into a loop into
Utica Rome and then come down from the

425
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.720
top because our event is going to
be on the north side, right there

426
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.759
before the Susquehanna River. But I
love it though, walk through. You

427
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.000
know what made me want to go
to the Baseball Hall of Fame In the

428
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.279
movie A League of their Own,
A League of their Own, which is

429
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.839
film not too far away from you
out there in Huntingburg, Indiana and in

430
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.279
Evansville. They were the two stadiums
that were used. And then when they

431
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.319
did the All for the Women for
the Baseball Hall of Fame, and I

432
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:22.400
saw it in the movie, I
said, I'm going to go find that

433
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.440
part, and I went to it
and they have a bigger section. It's

434
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.880
not the one that they used in
the movie. That's not where it is

435
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:33.240
now. They did a big section
now for the women, but that's another

436
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.200
section. But I found it right
at the bottom of the escalators. So

437
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.480
I love that place. It's fun
to see flash phelves from Sirius XM is

438
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.240
our guest. We're talking about baseball
across the country on this Hall of Fame

439
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:51.319
and also All Star Week in Major
League Baseball. Just because our time is

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00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.599
women, let's do a couple of
quick snapshots out on the West coast since

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00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.759
we haven't been there yet. Flash
Candlestick Park. Tell me something about Candlestick

442
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.279
Park. Well, it's not there
now, I know. You go there.

443
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.680
It was very windy that was right
there and then became three m But

444
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.200
what a great view to look out, and because you almost see Oakland from

445
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.000
there, it was a great view
on the Bay side to be able to

446
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.079
see Candlestick before they had built all
the way up there with the Willie May

447
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:23.000
statue in downtown. But no,
I like Candlestick. I stopped by twice.

448
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.880
I've been there. I was there
twice and then finally it was sad

449
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.519
to hear it was gone. You
know what I was thinking about the earthquake

450
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.799
nineteen eighty nine. Yes, Oakland
a San Francisco Giants are playing, and

451
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.480
then that earthquake hits at Candlestick,
So every time I would go back,

452
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.200
I think of that. But yeah, I like the park, but I'm

453
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.039
glad they now have this with the
McCovey cove out there where I can be

454
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.079
in their kayak and try to get
nkefield home run over the wall. That's

455
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.000
fun. Tell me about Seattle where
the Mariners play. That was a good

456
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.960
one. I saw the Orioles play
there with them because I moved out there

457
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.480
in nineteen ninety nine, and so
the summer of two thousand and I finally

458
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.400
got a chance to go. It's
called t Mobile now a safe go back.

459
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.960
When I went there, Yeah,
and it's just it's a very nice

460
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.119
one because that's the one with the
retractable roof. They can move that roof.

461
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.039
And luckily I got a chance to
have a game with a doll because

462
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.400
it wasn't raining that it was amazing. It wasn't raining, and I was

463
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.440
in Western Washington, So that's always
a great place. But yeah, I've

464
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.640
had a good time because there it's
just like Cincinnati, where you have your

465
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.279
football stadium right next door and it's
right there. On the south side and

466
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.000
the buildings and it's a great walking
area. Seattle always a lot of fun

467
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.680
to be able to be around.
So yeah, I did enjoy that.

468
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.200
Tacoma their Triple A right down there. I went to go see a Tacoma

469
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.599
Rainiers game when they played Salt Lake
Beeves. So I tried to go see

470
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.160
as many of these as I can. If not, I definitely walk around

471
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.039
all the outside of the stadium and
do as many photos as I can if

472
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.359
I can't get in. Yeah,
you're big on that. I love the

473
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.680
photo. I love that you put
out Denver where where the Rockies play.

474
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.160
Yeah, that is a fantastic place. In fact, just a little a

475
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.599
couple of miles west of there,
they did a replica to the stadium as

476
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.960
well, horse Field, So if
you want to see a little version of

477
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.680
it, somebody was able to put
it together as well, so look up

478
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.680
the little version of Corsefield. But
again they built that in another neighborhood right

479
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.960
there on the west side of downtown, northwest side of downtown. You got

480
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.359
six flags right there as well,
and it's just in a very nice area.

481
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.960
And that again being a mile high, being at the two hundred and

482
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.319
eighty feet. It's amazing to watch
how the balls do fly there. I

483
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.359
always like Denver, Denver. I
always wanted to work there, but I

484
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.079
went to Colorado Springs and they never
put me on the air, so I

485
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.640
never got to work in Colorado.
Dodger Stadium, Dodger Stadium, I went

486
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.599
there and this was back and I
had just started working here. So this

487
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.160
is about two thousand and two three, And you know what amazed me.

488
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.599
I got there early, so I
could walk around even the perimeter of the

489
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.440
parking lot because they had the views
that looked over Echo Lake and you could

490
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:59.519
look back into downtown LA. But
I was there on the mezzanine to be

491
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.079
able to watch watch that game and
it was one of those that I had

492
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.799
always seen on TV, whether or
not they were doing celebrity games. And

493
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:12.759
it was so cool because I saw
George what's his name, George from the

494
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.200
TV the star, I can't think
of his last name. He was,

495
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.559
you know, the comedian George Lopez. George Lopez. He was there,

496
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.960
so I got a chance to see
George. Yeah, that was very cool.

497
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.559
And Tommy Lasorda was sitting right near
him, and I had had Tommy

498
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.960
Lasorda on my show. So George
and Tommy Lasorda. I was excited just

499
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.720
to see them. Oh that's a
great pairing. And you know who I

500
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.160
didn't see was Mary Hart. And
Mary Heart usually sits right behind home plate,

501
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.559
but I didn't see her. All
right. So finally where the home

502
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.079
run Derby was taking place this evening
as we're speaking, and where the All

503
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.400
Star Game would be played, Globelive
Field in Arlington, Texas. Tell me

504
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.559
about that. Yeah, now,
right across the street. If you're familiar

505
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.519
with going into Arlington, very crowded
because that's where Six Flags started. Why

506
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.960
is it called six Flags because Six
Flags flew over Texas. Right next to

507
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.359
there, they have the stadium where
they used to play. Now they have

508
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.280
soccer in there. They built the
new baseball stadium directly across the street,

509
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.920
and they built it to look like
a warehouse. It was one of the

510
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.800
weirdest things where they were building that
thing. It was like, this is

511
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.920
not going to be good. It
wasn't until it was done and then you'd

512
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.800
see the inside to go, oh, this is a great area because if

513
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.360
you've ever been, you know,
the Cowboys play at at and T on

514
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.559
the west side. Then now you
have their stadium for the Rangers, and

515
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.679
then on the north side is the
old Rangers stadium. So it's just a

516
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.039
really nice thing that they built them
all next to each other, so a

517
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.719
big growing area. And they only
opened up that in twenty twenty. And

518
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.360
now when I was down there a
couple of weeks ago, I didn't go

519
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.599
back over, but the last time
I was there was twenty twenty one.

520
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.079
It was the year. It was
right after they had opened it. So

521
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.320
fantastic And we'll look forward to Home
Run Derby All Star Game and just see

522
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.400
how it comes out. Hey,
Gunner Henderson was the ohs. He's in

523
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.239
the home runder well, and we
got to La de la Cruz in the

524
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:08.039
game tomorrow night and Hunter Green appearing
talking those shot. Some incredible people that

525
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.920
are in this game. Yeah,
well they call it the All Star Game

526
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:19.239
for a reason. These guys are
good. And you know what they somebody

527
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.639
just told me that there's never been
over twenty one run score during a game

528
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.960
of any All Star Game. So
there's a lot of good defense in pitching,

529
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.360
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Well, you got the best in

530
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.199
the game playing, Yeah, and
I got the best in the game of

531
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.400
travel on my show again, and
I thank you so much. I thank

532
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.559
you profusely for making time to talk
to us today. Flash Phelps keep humping

533
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.920
the hits on Sirius XM sixties Gold
and keep on traveling because the stories are

534
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.320
priceless and I really appreciate you sharing
them with us tonight. All right,

535
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.400
I got to get back to those
three stadiums I'm missing, all right.

536
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.519
Yeah, well we'll get an updake
soon, maybe at the end of this

537
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.760
summer. All right, Flash,
thank you so much, take care all

538
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.400
right, thank you so much.
Here Jee, you got it. The

539
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:10.039
Nightcap continues in moments here on seven
hundred WLW the great honor of being able

540
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:15.039
to chat with a man who has
sold more books in his career than small

541
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.519
public libraries haven't stocked. From what
I understand, over four hundred and fifty

542
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.119
million books sold on counting right now
for the great James Patterson, who joins

543
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.440
us to talk about his new book, Tiger Tiger Ge What's that about?

544
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.239
And you know, as many people
people I thought it about the poet to

545
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.599
like, it's it's about tiger woods. Yeah, as many believe that we

546
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:46.480
are watching the final chapters of his
book being written right now, at the

547
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.239
end of what has been just an
incredible career that surpasses anything that many of

548
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.239
us has ever seen in our lives. The new book is out now,

549
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.440
But you know, people thought that
was going to happen before he won the

550
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.159
last Masters. They said there's no
way he's going to win anymore, and

551
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.440
then he shocked everybody. So I
don't expect him to win another major.

552
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.119
I don't expect him to win the
British Open, but I wouldn't be totally

553
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:19.079
surprised. Well, okay, stupid
question number two, James, what moved

554
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:24.320
the needle for you to write this
biography about Tiger Woods. I just felt

555
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.559
that. I mean, there were
books about him, but I didn't think

556
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:34.119
anybody sat down and tried to really
capture the flesh and blood Tiger Woods tell

557
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.280
his story. That's what I do. That's what I try to do.

558
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:44.440
I've done him about John Lennon and
the Kennedy family, just things that kind

559
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.239
of interest me, and and he
interests me. I just think he's been

560
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:51.639
fascinating from the time he was two
years old and started swinging a club in

561
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.559
his garage with his father and then
you know, when he was five,

562
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.880
he was on Mike Douglas watching that. I remember watching it. He vowed

563
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.519
I don't know if I saw the
original or just a clip, but but

564
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.920
he vowed he would he would beat
Jack Nicholas and Tom Watson by the time

565
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.440
he was twenty, and he came
close. Uh, not by beating them,

566
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.840
but you know, closer to to
Nicholas in terms of majors. How

567
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:27.119
impactful was his father's passing on Tiger
Woods? Uh, and he's look,

568
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.239
you know, it's interesting in general, people they talked about going to the

569
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.519
therapy. I go, you know
what, immediately like the first session,

570
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.679
start talking about your father and your
mother. Yeah, don't let this,

571
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.760
don't let this shrink, waste a
lot of time, get right into it.

572
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:46.719
And his father and mother were hugely
impactful. I think his father probably

573
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:52.599
had a dream initially that Tiger would
could be a nice golfer, and then

574
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.920
he saw all his talent, uh, very very young, I mean unbelievably

575
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:01.079
young, and and then his dreamed
got you know, Earl's stream got bigger

576
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:07.840
and bigger. His mother actually was
in some ways as influential, or maybe

577
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:13.079
even more, because she was the
one that taught him to crush the opponent.

578
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.960
Realist. If you're up nine strokes
going into the fourth day, I

579
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.320
want you to end at fifteen strokes
up. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

580
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.000
And that's a piece of of who
he is as a as a golfer,

581
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:30.639
as a competitor. Well, just
crush the opponent. James Patterson is

582
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.039
our guest. The book is Tiger
Tiger. It's now out abo of course,

583
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.760
the phenomenal Tiger Woods. I wanted
to ask you, James, this,

584
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.159
this what you just spoke to his
mother, teaching him how to be

585
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.239
that fearless, relentless just you know, once you've got your foot on their

586
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:52.199
neck, keep it on there.
Yeah, crush your opponent. That was

587
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.480
part of the reason he was so
successful, because we watched, you know,

588
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.119
tournament after tournament where somebody's in the
last pairing with Tiger and maybe they've

589
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.480
got a one or two stroke lead
going into the last three holes, and

590
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.880
you'd see him just melt down.
And it was all because of that aura

591
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.239
that he carried with him, wasn't
it. Yeah, Well, and he

592
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.719
delivered. Yeah. It wasn't just
an aura. It was with an aura

593
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.079
and a two iron that he could
hit two hundred and eighty yards and stick

594
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.199
it five feet from the pen.
That helped. But you know, it

595
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.800
just has a story. It's it's
fascinating and I think a lot of people

596
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.280
and that's what I think. I
think, whether you like off or not,

597
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.519
it's it's a very very cool story. I mean, you know,

598
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.920
as a little kid, he was
a stutterer, he was nearsighted. When

599
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.559
he went to Stanford, his friends
called him Rkle, which was that kind

600
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.920
of nerdy character on television. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

601
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.639
that's I mean, that's what he
was. There's a little noted there's

602
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.280
a little story in there about him
going out with one of his agents and

603
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.320
he couldn't buy stuff of the credit
card because he didn't how to activate it.

604
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:04.119
So he It was funny talking to
one of the writers from England and

605
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.840
they said, to some extent,
the way he was brought up, it's

606
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.480
like the royal family, the way
those kids are brought up. They're so

607
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.239
shielded from the public and you know, so they don't know how to do

608
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.280
stuff. And I think even in
terms of the of his marriage, I

609
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.199
think that I don't know that he
really didn't date much. I don't think

610
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.920
he was ready. I think she's
a very smart, beautiful woman. I

611
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.320
don't think he was ready for it. I don't think he was ready to

612
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.639
be a husband. I think he
was ready to be a day art because

613
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.400
I think he learned from his father
and mother, and I think he approved

614
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.599
of what they did, and I
think he really did try to be a

615
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:49.480
very good dad. As far as
the public perception of that breakup and what

616
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.239
happened in the immediate aftermath, you
talk about him being the comeback king over

617
00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:00.239
and over again. How much do
you think that impeded his career? And

618
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.400
do you think he would have won
the eighteen Majors if he had not gone

619
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:08.280
through that or going through that.
I I think that the big issue with

620
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:14.000
him in terms of of uh the
eighteen Majors is just his physical health.

621
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.519
Uh. He just kept pushing,
pushing, pushing, and the human body

622
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.239
can only do so much. And
there's a certain you know, even some

623
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.400
of the things like uh, going
and uh and working out with the seals

624
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.199
or I forget exactly, but I
mean even that some people know that that

625
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.280
was not good for him. Uh. He didn't protect his body as much

626
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.039
as he should have. And and
you know, I mean, he just

627
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.840
he just whacked at the ball.
So yeah, so I think the physical

628
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:47.159
side of it gotten away more than
than uh well, and that's I think

629
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:52.519
that the physical thing was I think
a big part of our behind the car

630
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.239
crash in California. You know,
he had been taking up pillars for pain

631
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.119
for a long time on and off, and uh so, I don't think

632
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.239
he would. I don't think he
should have been driving your car that day.

633
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:10.519
Do you believe that there is anyone
else on the stage that has those

634
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.599
same kind of qualities and maybe someday
will become as iconic and golf, well

635
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:22.239
in any sport. I mean,
I compare Tiger Woods with Michael Jordan in

636
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.920
his sport. Yeah, absolutely,
obviously with Muhammad Ali, but he is

637
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:31.760
one of those James Bryant James is
in that ballpark. Yeah so yeah,

638
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.480
yeah, Ali absolutely And maybe no, I don't see anybody right now.

639
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.400
Well, you know, maybe this
kid from Spain. We'll see how that

640
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.199
works out. The tennis player,
Oh yeah, we'll see. He's still

641
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.440
a baby, he's twenty one,
but the potential is there. And once

642
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.480
again, I mean injuries, injuries
turn it all around or so yeah,

643
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.360
or he just gets tired of it. You know, he's twenty one now,

644
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:01.320
the kid from Spain, I don't
yeah, no, you know,

645
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:09.280
well the quarterback for Kansas City,
oh, Patrick Mahomes. Absolutely he can't

646
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.519
achieve that that icon status and probably
has and who knows what will happen.

647
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.519
I'll tell you that the WNBA never
had a better ambassador than their rookie Caitlin

648
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.559
Clark. She has affected that league
in just a few months. She has

649
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:30.719
been I mean they now have private
charter flights where they used to fly commercially.

650
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.719
The money is and they're getting I
mean they're getting seventeen nineteen thousand people

651
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.519
where they used to get like three
four thousand attendance. Yeah, you know,

652
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.199
it is stunning. Women's sports is
about to just blow wide open.

653
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.239
It's just happening. I think it's
going to happen with women's soccer too.

654
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.039
I actually have some investments in women's
sports soccer and volleyball, believe it or

655
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:59.039
not, but I think those it's
just going to happen. It hadn't happened,

656
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:00.360
it's and there's a a lot of
things, but I think men are

657
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.400
starting to watch it and go this
is this is pretty kind of fun to

658
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.320
watch. Women's volleyball is incredible to
watch. I don't know if you ever

659
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.119
watch it on television. It's really
really good. Yeah. I don't mean

660
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.320
this stuff in the say and I
mean a college seems to play indoors.

661
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.480
Well, I'm more partially at the
University of Nebraska. They play it.

662
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:22.719
I know they played eighty thousand people. Yeah, uh huh. Never something

663
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:29.079
I thought i'd see ever in my
life. James Patterson, I'm sorry that

664
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.239
there's a stupid delay James with his
phone system, So I apologize. James

665
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.000
Patterson's our guest. The brand new
book is Tiger Tiger, detailing the incredible

666
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.480
life and career of the Great Tiger
Woods. And do you think that he

667
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:50.639
has finally come to the realization that
he may never challenge for a major title

668
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.440
and may not win anymore? Do
you think that? And do you think

669
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.639
that he will pursue a career in
the Champions Tour when he turns fifty.

670
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:06.800
I think that he knows he's capable
of surprising himself. I don't think he's

671
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.559
totally given up. I think he
has days when he'll go out there and

672
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.880
and and have it and go okay, and he plays with, you know,

673
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.039
still some great players. So I
think he still thinks he might be

674
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.159
able to put together four days in
a row. I think he recognizes that.

675
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.239
You know, it's maybe not likely, but I think he's he's no,

676
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.440
I don't. I don't think he'll
play in the Champions, but but

677
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.440
you know, who knows. Maybe
I would. I would think not.

678
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.719
And but you know it's you know, they send people's blood and I don't

679
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.679
know if he'll give it up or
not. We'll see you talk in the

680
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.840
book about and it's one of those
obvious things. Uh. We were talking

681
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:51.360
about Kaylin Clark changing the WNBA.
Tiger Woods totally changed not only the face

682
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.639
of golf, not just because of
his ethnicity, but because he was such

683
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.000
an iconic figure and he inspired so
many players. You see the Scottie Scheffler's

684
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.039
and you see the young players that
are out on the course today as young

685
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:09.920
kids, they were watching Tiger Woods
ripped through these majors. That impact may

686
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.280
be the greatest impact that Tiger Woods
has had in a game, don't you

687
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:20.639
think? Yes? Yeah, percent. And he's been pretty generous with young

688
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.400
people in terms of helping. You
know, a lot of these people you

689
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.679
know get better and better as golfers, working with the Ryder Cup team,

690
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.400
et cetera, et cetera. That's
something to interests them and turns them on.

691
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.400
And it's going to be interesting to
see if he can find enough things

692
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.960
to do that he that he likes
to do. Obviously he's close with the

693
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:45.039
kids. There's another image that I
love, uh, getting back to Sam

694
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.519
the daughter, which which people don't
know that much about, but he but

695
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.039
it just says a lot to me. This particular, I'm a short thing

696
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:58.679
in the book. He he's never
slept very well, which I'm part of

697
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.760
That is the paying part of it
is I just think he's an anxious human

698
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.239
being and uh so a lot of
times when when she would wake up as

699
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.199
a baby and start crying, he'd
be the one that would go into her

700
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.519
because he was pretty much up anyway. And then and then and then what

701
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.599
he would do sometimes is he'd have
her on his on his lapp or on

702
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.920
his chest and he'd be doing lake
presses, uh and she would go to

703
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:24.480
sleep as he was doing lake presses. I just think that's kind of the

704
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.960
perfect image of him as a as
a a part of a part of what

705
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.880
he is as a human being a
good day and obviously has great relationships with

706
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.320
Charlie so far, which was his
nice a son. Yeah. Do you

707
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:44.360
think that either one of them will
follow in those famous footsteps? Nope,

708
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.000
no one who knows. Who knows. I'm sure changing Charlie. But uh,

709
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.480
you know, that's a tough one. It's like Lebron's son. I

710
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.400
mean, geez, he's pretty good, you know, decent call. I

711
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.800
mean maybe he would have been better
if he stayed a little longer. Uh

712
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.079
I we'll say, we'll see what
happens. But I mean, you know,

713
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:06.280
no, is he going to be
another Lebron James. I don't see

714
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.480
that happening. And that's a tough
thing. It's an interesting thing. I

715
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:14.159
mean even with our son. Uh
it's good writer, but he had no

716
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.960
interest in it. So you know, just kind of like I'm gonna do

717
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.519
something else. Yeah, Like I
just I can see this iconic image of

718
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:29.679
if his back permits, of Tiger
carrying the bag for Charlie some you know,

719
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.239
in fifteen years or whatever. Uh
huh yeah, yeah, yeah,

720
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.519
that'd be great. And that was
another little thing with the Masters with uh

721
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.840
that last oney one, and and
and having the family come and that that's

722
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.360
that's very cool, very very cool
moment, just to see that. Do

723
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.440
you have any other sports books in
your in your future you think, or

724
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.760
was Tiger just something you couldn't have? One novel that I'm working I did

725
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:59.800
uh with Mike Lupica's Sports Writers is
one of my best friends. We did

726
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.519
so Wolves together with, which is
about a football franchise in San Francisco.

727
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:09.519
And we're thinking about another one which
is about an unbelievable athlete out of North

728
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:15.960
Carolina, free sport but ultimately football, and it's a pretty cool story.

729
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.840
All right, Well, I think
we'll do that one. I don't think

730
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:25.000
that, you know, it's like
when people were three four years ago just

731
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.079
writing at nauseum books about Donald Trump. I don't think this is one that

732
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.679
you can miss with on Tiger Woods, because the subject matter is so it's

733
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.719
still so top of mind for people
that whether they play golf or interested in

734
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:46.840
golf or just generally the culture celebrity
and the iconic measure of the man that

735
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.960
you're writing about. Plus and the
story. The story, it's just a

736
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.239
fascinating story. And it goes from
when he's two years old to the present

737
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.159
fantas, which is you know,
that's unusual. It certainly doesn't help to

738
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.320
have James Patterson's name on the cover
of the book either. Yeah. Well,

739
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.679
I hope hopefully people will hold that
against Tigers. All right, James,

740
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.679
thank you so much for your time. Tiger Tiger book. This is

741
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.960
great. Get it and enjoy.
And I you know that I interview a

742
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.920
lot of authors, James, this
is one that I just before it we

743
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.239
even spoke, I'll want to read
this, so I'm very interested. Great,

744
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:30.639
thank you. Now that we've spoke
and you don't want to read it

745
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.000
anymore, but that's no okay,
all right, be good you too.

746
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.599
Bye bye. It's the Nightcap and
it continues in moments here on seven hundred

747
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:45.000
WLW are in the heart of baseball
season, and in this particular instance,

748
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:50.639
we are hearkening back to fifty years
ago, this baseball season in nineteen seventy

749
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:57.280
four, when at a point it
was kind of inevitable by the time the

750
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:02.280
nineteen seventy four baseball season started that
Hank Aaron Homer and Hank was going to

751
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:10.280
finally break the Babe Ruth career home
run record, and to talk about seven

752
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.840
point fifteen. The one that did
it is our guest Randy Lewis Cox,

753
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:21.039
who I believe is an Atlanta natives, so he got plenty of plenty of

754
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.119
flavor from those days being a Braves
fan. I'm sure we'll get into that

755
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.920
in a moment. But Randy,
welcome to the show. How are you

756
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.760
well? Thank you so much for
having my own, Gary. I appreciate

757
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.000
appreciate you having me own. You
know the one of the big home runs

758
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.119
was rought there in Cincinnati. Yeah, in nineteen seventy four. That was

759
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:49.159
the one where he tied fash record. I was just gonna get to that,

760
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:57.840
Randy. The record got tied on
April fourth, nineteen seventy four at

761
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:04.159
the Old Riverfront Stadium and right our
legendary Hall of Fame broadcaster Marty Brenneman.

762
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.840
It's a classic call. I'm gonna
try and dig that up at some point

763
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:16.440
and get Marty's call is seven fourteen
on But uh, seven point fifteen happened

764
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.159
just four days later. I mean, Hank didn't waste any time getting right

765
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:25.119
to it in the season of nineteen
seventy four. Now, were you living

766
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:30.920
in Atlanta at the time. No, I had just moved to Alabama.

767
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.840
UH. It was a small newspaper
that I worked for Lynette, Alabama.

768
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:43.119
It's about ninety miles from Fulton County
Stadium, and I decided to drive the

769
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.280
to that to the game that night, which of course was the first home

770
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.639
game after he tied the record.
I gotta I gotta tell you one one

771
00:53:52.639 --> 00:54:01.639
thing about the seven fourteen that was
the first home run hit a Horsehide baseball.

772
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.760
They had just switched over UH,
and there's a there's a segment in

773
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.599
the book about that. I thought
that was kind of interesting trivia. And

774
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.920
then of course that was the first
game of the season. That was the

775
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:22.360
opening opening game seven fourteen, and
Buie Kwan was there along with the vice

776
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:28.280
brother at Ford and then we were
getting ready to switch over to Atlanta Fulk

777
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:34.559
County Stadium, but there was two
more games remaining in Cincinnati, and UH

778
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.440
manager Eddie Matthews wanted to hold out
Aaron so he would hit it at home.

779
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:45.000
But Buie Kune, the commissioner of
baseball, had other ideas, and

780
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.679
he said, you know, you
need to play him one more game.

781
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.280
So Matthews played him on that Sunday
and he went over four and that set

782
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.679
up the Monday night game in Atlanta
at Fuld County Stadium. It was a

783
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:06.960
coup cool, rainy night that the
game was finally sold out at the last

784
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.000
minute, so people in Atlanta could
see their their hometown guy hit the home

785
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.400
run and the Braves win the game, beat the beat the Dodgers that night.

786
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.480
But uh, it was it was
so exciting that night and as ah

787
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.639
as a young sports editor I was
twenty four, really probably one of my

788
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:30.639
biggest assignments. I would say it
is the biggest assignment. And I was

789
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:37.079
lucky enough to get uh press press
passes and photography passes in the photo booth

790
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:44.679
right in front of where Hank Aaron
and the other Braves had their own deck

791
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:49.519
circle, so I was able to
get real good pictures and uh trying trying

792
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.800
to we give a moment by moment
account in the book of what happened that

793
00:55:54.000 --> 00:56:00.639
night and try to illustrate it with
the photos and some of the interviews with

794
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:07.039
some of Hank Aaron's teammates like Ron
Reid, Buzz Capra, and Dusty Baker

795
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:13.960
some of the others. Well,
how long, tell me about your career

796
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.920
a little bit. Randy Lewis Cox
is our guest on his new book seven

797
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:23.639
fifteen at fifty about Hank Aaron's record
breaking home run that broke Babe Ruth's career

798
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:28.119
record. So tell me about your
background of your career. You were a

799
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.159
young sports editor when this happened back
in nineteen seventy four. What else did

800
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.639
you go on to do in your
career? Randy, Well, actually,

801
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:45.159
I was kind of like Hank Aaron. I moved on the next year or

802
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.079
two, about seventy six, and
I was in radio for a while in

803
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:53.840
Aniston, Alabama. They had a
twenty four hour radio station playing rock and

804
00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.199
roll music and we did newscast,
and then I went down to Selma,

805
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:05.480
Alabama, where I did sports and
news, and then back up to Atlanta

806
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.000
for a weekly newspaper. And then
I got a job with a Georgia Department

807
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:15.719
of Agriculture in nineteen eighty and worked
with them for thirty four years, mainly

808
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.679
as one of the editors for the
agriculture newspaper. So it was a little

809
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.039
different. I did cover the ninety
six Olympics, that was my sports thing

810
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.719
with a bulletin. But I did
my early career mainly with sports and news.

811
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.800
But then went into agriculture, and
I've done some freelance work for some

812
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:43.719
of the local papers, football football
coverage and some other things. But I

813
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:50.519
always enjoyed covering sports. I've enjoyed
playing sports, baseball and basketball, and

814
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.159
it's been one of my first loves. When I first saw Hank Aaron in

815
00:57:55.239 --> 00:58:01.119
nineteen fifty seven playing the Year Keys
and Mickey Mannlin and the World Series,

816
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.440
I was hooked. I was hooked
on the Braves and I was so lucky.

817
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.119
Hey, the Braves are coming to
Atlanta. In nineteen sixty six,

818
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.559
they finally made it after a year's
litigation with Milwaukee County, and it was

819
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.199
a dream come true. And I'll
have to share with you. My dad

820
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:29.679
and I went to the sixty nine
first playoff game League Championship. The SATs

821
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:34.360
played the Mets and Tom Seaver,
and of course we lost. But two

822
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:39.400
years later, nineteen seventy one,
Henry Aaron was sitting on five ninety nine

823
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:46.039
home runs and I managed to get
a press pass as a journalism student and

824
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.239
was able to cover his six hundredth
home run against the Giants. That was

825
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.960
exciting. I mean, I was
lucky to be at those games, you

826
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.559
know. Oh, there's no question. Sometimes the stars just all a ligne

827
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:07.599
and things fall into place, and
you're there for history. Hank Aaron,

828
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.800
and I'll get into this here in
the second part of our chat, Randy,

829
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:21.039
But Hank Aaron endured so much garbage
on his way to that milestone,

830
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.440
and it was kind of a sign
of the times in America. People weren't

831
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:35.840
ready to accept that a black man
had broken Babe Ruth's record. And Babe

832
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:40.639
Ruth just looms today. Even today, Babe Ruth looms as large as anybody

833
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.119
who ever played the sport professionally in
this country, and he should. But

834
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:51.679
I think about all of the pressure. And have you ever seen the movie

835
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:57.039
sixty one about Roger Marris and the
Quest for all Right? Because you know,

836
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.800
there's a point in that movie at
the end of the season as he's

837
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:06.039
getting closer to breaking Bay Bruce single
season record where his hair is falling out.

838
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:14.199
The guy is just a mental He's
entirely discombobulated. I tell you what.

839
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.719
Let's take a break when we come
back more with Randy Lewis Cox on

840
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:24.239
the new book seven fifteen at fifty
about Hank Aaron's record setting home run and

841
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:31.199
the season of nineteen seventy four.
As we continue in moments talking to Randy

842
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:36.760
Lewis Cox, the author of seven
fifteen at fifty, about Hank Aarons record

843
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:42.800
setting seven hundred and fifteenth home run
that broke Bay Bruce record in Atlanta's Fulton

844
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.639
County Stadium April eighth, nineteen seventy
four. Just four days before that in

845
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:53.760
Cincinnati, the Braves in town playing
the Reds and Hank tied the record.

846
01:00:54.199 --> 01:01:00.639
What a way to start a season. And it was not only the start

847
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.559
of the season and a tie for
Hank Aaron, but it was also the

848
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:12.239
first game that a fellow Hall of
Famer was calling on seven hundred WLW man

849
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:17.199
named Marty Brenneman, and he has
reflections on what it was like to be

850
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:24.400
calling Hank aaron seven hundred and fourteenth
home run on his first Reds broadcast.

851
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:30.760
Marty, Well, you know,
for one thing, Gary, you don't

852
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.000
expect it to happen. I mean, I can reflect back to what Joe

853
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.079
Nuxhall said after the first half and
he began, he said, what the

854
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.719
hell do you do for an encore? And I said, I don't know.

855
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:44.719
I had no idea. So the
last thing in the world I effected

856
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.840
was to see Aaron Tye Roofs record
right there in the first at bat of

857
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.679
the season. I didn't dwell on
in the event that it did happen if

858
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.159
I was what I was going to
say, because I've never done that.

859
01:01:55.239 --> 01:02:00.760
If I try, I'm not good
enough to have done it, not to

860
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.199
have it sound contrived. So you
know, you hope that you don't fumble

861
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.000
over your words and it flows easily
and it conveys what's happening at the moment.

862
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.159
Jack Billingham is one of my dear
friends in my life. He and

863
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.719
his wife Jolena are good friends with
a hand of mine, and he and

864
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:22.480
I exist on a relationship of digging
each other about everything under the sun.

865
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.559
And I used to and I accuse
him all the time of letting Henry know

866
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:30.039
what pitch was coming when the count
was three and one, so he'd go

867
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.639
down to the record book for something
because he's sure Zack wasn't going to go

868
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:38.840
down on anything that he achieved.
Marty Brenman has that way of always getting

869
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:44.079
little digs in at people that one
of Jack Billingham for giving up Hank seven

870
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:50.440
fourteen. I was mentioning to you
before the break about the immense pressure that

871
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.119
surely was on Hank Aaron and surely
weighed on him and made the task all

872
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.840
that much more difficult. Do you
talk about that in the book at all,

873
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:05.320
Randy, Yes, I do.
In fact, you mentioned Roger Morris

874
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:10.880
earlier and his year trying to get
beat Baby Bruce record. You know,

875
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.400
his his hair starting falling out,
he got where he just didn't want to

876
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.199
talk to the news media. But
this was only a year for him.

877
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:24.960
Hank Aaron really started getting pressure about
two or three even three years, I

878
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.679
would say, when he hit his
six hundredths. You know, we talked

879
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.880
about that at seven he hit a
six hundreds and seventy one. And for

880
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.639
those three years he started, you
know, forty forty five home runs a

881
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.639
year, and you got closer and
closer to the seven fifteen, and it

882
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.639
got to the point that last year, right before he hit the home run,

883
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:52.519
he got more mail than, according
to the Post Office, than eight

884
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.960
other person non political person. And
I got to tell you, Bob Hope,

885
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:06.000
the publicity director said that the secretary
they couldn't do personal letters anymore,

886
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:12.960
had to do form letter. But
most of the letters were positive. He

887
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:18.119
did get some really really vile letters
in the mail and he got death threats.

888
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:26.199
Yes, yes he did. And
if you read Hank Aaron's autobiography If

889
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.039
I Had a Hammer, it's a
bestseller, and he had some of the

890
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:35.639
letters in there as as they came
in uncensored. He wanted people to know

891
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:43.039
what the letters were, but wanted
to reiterate that those were the minority that

892
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.960
were very vile and just added to
all the pressure from the media, I

893
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:53.320
mean, he had had to handle
the media all the time, pressure coming

894
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:58.519
in and by the time he hit
that seven fourteen, he was ready on

895
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.320
that Monday night to go ahead and
break the record. And in fact,

896
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:11.400
he told Buzz I mean Dusty Baker
and Ralph gar when they were having batting

897
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.000
practice before the seven to fifteen game, that he was going to do it

898
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.639
that night. So that was that
was his way of calling his shot.

899
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.400
And the first time he swung in
the game, the fourth inning, it

900
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:28.719
was a home run. The first
swing and the first first thing he said

901
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.840
after he finished his home run trot
was I am so glad it's over with

902
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:42.800
And it was incredible pressure, incredible, and we tried to give some of

903
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:48.480
the insights into how that built up, and we trying to Troy to tell

904
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:56.960
a moment by moment counting of the
of the of that game and the preliminary

905
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.840
before the season. Waiting around for
that seventy four season to come up.

906
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:08.840
That was a long winner for Henry
Aaron and his fans because he was sitting

907
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.960
on seven thirteen at the end of
the seventy three season. So, but

908
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:17.320
it was it was one of those
magic moments. Kurt Goudi, one of

909
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:24.280
the legendary broadcasters, that it was
the greatest moment in sports history. Well,

910
01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:31.199
Hank Aaron actually played at that historic
ballpark in Birmingham as a teenager,

911
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:38.719
did he not. He's like seventeen, I believe so, yes, I

912
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:45.239
believe. So. He played with
the first the Mobile Bears. His high

913
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.079
school did not have a baseball team, so he played semi pro and they

914
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:53.360
played with Mobile. He played with
the Indianapolis Clowns ye for a year.

915
01:06:54.239 --> 01:07:00.440
The Braves were able to get his
sign him for a contract. They were

916
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.480
competing with the Giants and Willie Mays
was in that mix, and the Braves

917
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:10.280
paid two hundred and fifty dollars more
and they got Henry Aaron, and they

918
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:15.239
were gonna send him to Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and he ended up over

919
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:20.239
with the Braves, and Bobby Thompson
was in the was in the lineup for

920
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:26.480
the Milwaukee Braves, and he got
hurt, broke his ankle sliding into second.

921
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:31.039
So Henry Aaron replaced the man who
the shot heard around the lost.

922
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:39.719
Yes. Yeah, and he and
he had always, uh he had dreamed

923
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:45.480
of playing in the major leagues.
Jackie Robinson was his idol, and uh,

924
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.039
he he actually got hurt. Hank
Aaron did his rookie season and and

925
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:55.639
Bobby Thompson replaced him, and then
the next year, I believe it was

926
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:59.800
fifty three, is when he really
started to get get going on his swing,

927
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.920
and and uh the rest was history
history. Do you still consider Hank

928
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:11.079
Hank Aaron the all time career home
run leader? I mean, so many

929
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.279
questions about Barry Bonds and the performance
enhancing drugs and all of that. Uh,

930
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:20.039
do you still think Hank's number one? In your heart? Well,

931
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:25.840
in my heart he is, and
in a lot of fans, Uh,

932
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.680
he he was. He was,
he was the man, he was the

933
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:32.720
home run king, and uh,
it's he he was not only a great

934
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:40.640
baseball player, but a humanitarian as
well, civil rights leader and uh he

935
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:46.399
as an executive with the Braves,
he helped develop players like Kiffer Jones,

936
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:53.560
Tom Glavin. He took the Raise
to the championship in the nineties. So

937
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:59.880
he was all around baseball player,
the complete baseball player and also uh just

938
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:08.159
a humanitarian, top executive, and
just a role model, a good role

939
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:15.279
model for the kids. And Dusty
Baker said that Hank was the most influential

940
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:20.960
person in his life and he Dusty
Baker and Bob Hope were the two Paul

941
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:25.960
Bears at his funeral in twenty twenty
one. It was such a sad day,

942
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:30.840
but he had lived such a wonderful
life. Indeed, Well, Randy

943
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:34.319
Lewis Cox, I really enjoy our
time together and I appreciate you coming on

944
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:39.159
to talk about seven fifteen at fifty. The book is out now, lots

945
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:46.239
of great pictures and fantastic stories about
a record setting day fifty years ago this

946
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:51.119
baseball season. I'm sure it's available
everywhere and people can look for it.

947
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:56.560
Seven fifteen at fifty is the title
of the book. And Randy Lewis Cox,

948
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.239
thank you so much. For being
with us. Well, thank you

949
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.800
so much for having me. And
this is a wonderful time of year for

950
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:11.239
baseball people, enjoy it. We're
going to actually be at the Milwaukee Brewers

951
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:14.680
in the next couple of weeks.
We're going to be set up at the

952
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.600
Baseball Asm store, So if anyone
wants to come by and get a signed

953
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.520
book, I'd love to see him. All right, thank you so much.

954
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:26.199
Twenty twenty four, it's All Star
Week. You had the home run

955
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.000
derby tonight, and that means that
Gary Jeff gets some time on the air,

956
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:33.319
which is always a good thing for
me and my ability to pay rent

957
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:40.880
and buy groceries. This guy is, of course, independently wealthy and doesn't

958
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.359
need this. He doesn't need me
interrupting his evening. But yet he is

959
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.920
generous enough, magnanimous enough to come
on the air with me and fill some

960
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:56.399
airtime, fill a couple of segments
tonight. It's the one, the only

961
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.319
Furball, the man they call Furman
because that's his name, Andy Furman.

962
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:04.760
Hello, how are you well inside? I do need you because without you

963
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:10.399
I can't kind of spew my information
out on a big stage that you have.

964
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.279
And I just got back from the
Point Arc Golf Tournament, which has

965
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:18.039
been renamed the Mike Dias Golf Classic
right now for the first time, named

966
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:23.800
after the founder and president, former
president who passed away last year of Sterling,

967
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.800
cut Glass and Erling in Kentucky.
His son Brooke was there presenting trophy.

968
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.279
So it was a wonderful day,
something like thirty one forces at Triple

969
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.479
Crown in northern Kentucky. So it
was a great day for the Point Ark,

970
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.680
a big fundraiser. The weather was
great, everybody had a great time.

971
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.680
And now it's even bet because I'm
talking to you now, do you

972
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.920
think that God forbid if you should
pass away? With all the fine work

973
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:46.800
you've done for the Point Arc over
the years, they will rename the Golf

974
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.319
Classic after you? Could? We
mean a lot a golfer. I mean,

975
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:56.680
look, the thing with the Point
Arc and Sterling cut Glass and the

976
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:01.920
late Mike Dias was the fact that
his love of life was golf trophies and

977
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.079
the Point Dark. He was on
the board for years. He passed away

978
01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:09.920
in twenty twenty two, and you
know it was big, big doing and

979
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:14.720
you know, really and truly I
had his friend's son chat with me just

980
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.680
the other day and he told me
that fifty percent of their businesses trophies involving

981
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.920
golf LPGA tournaments, whoever it may
be, across the country, So it's

982
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:26.680
a golf thing. I'm not a
golfer, you know, and I'm a

983
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.920
PR guy. I'm a behind the
scenes guy, and PR guy has never

984
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:31.560
give any notoriety, although I will
tell you this much, you know,

985
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:35.520
kind of steering in a different direction. I watched that show on HBO all

986
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.399
the time, Hard Knocks, and
this year they have a really wonderful one

987
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:47.199
because they have like the the Indianapolis
clinics and the tryouts and the situation where

988
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:54.880
they interview the players and the access
that these HBO people are getting is unreal,

989
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.960
the questions that are asked. And
as the New York Football Giants this

990
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.920
year, and they were talking about
Caleb Edwards, the first round draft to

991
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:05.159
go the Chicago Bears, and they
interviewed Caleb probably before the draft. Obviously,

992
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:11.119
the combine Indianapolis and the Giant personnel, the scouts whoever it may be,

993
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:14.079
were saying that, you know,
the guy won his first five games

994
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:15.760
at the USC last year, but
he dropped five out of his last six

995
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.520
sort of speak at the end,
and he wouldn't talk to the media,

996
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.720
refused to talk to the media,
and they said, you know what,

997
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.920
that wouldn't play in New York.
Can't do it. And that was a

998
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:30.840
big ex mark on the boxes of
Caleb Williams because really and truly, when

999
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:32.399
you want to draft these guys,
I guess they do everything top to bottom.

1000
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.039
And I was shocked, and I
was really shocked with the access that

1001
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:40.880
HBO has been given to the Giants
operation. It really was wonderful. Oh,

1002
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:45.199
the Hard Knock series is wonderful.
I've seen several of the different documentaries

1003
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:49.039
they've done under that banner, and
they're all good, you know, talking

1004
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:54.039
about golf and not being a golfer
and Andy, I think you'd even agree

1005
01:13:54.760 --> 01:14:00.840
that a book, a biography about
Tiger Woods would interest almost anyone that's been

1006
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:05.119
alive the last forty years or so
in this country and watching what goes on,

1007
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:11.640
not just in golf but in the
general public sphere. You'll have to

1008
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.600
go and check the podcast. Last
hour, I had James Patterson on about

1009
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:20.239
his new book about Tiger Woods,
Tiger Tiger. The interview is great.

1010
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:25.560
So anyway, just heads up,
you ought to check out the podcast because

1011
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:29.640
he tells me stuff that I never
knew or never even would think to ask

1012
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.760
about Tiger Woods. So I mean, would you be interesting? I'll ask

1013
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:33.840
you this question, all right,
God, I would be interested, and

1014
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:38.039
I probably would be interested in reading
the book as well, because I'm interested

1015
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.880
in athletics. I'm interested in the
people that are involved in athletics, and

1016
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:45.600
yah know doubt about that. But
why would Tiger Woods perhaps the greatest golfer

1017
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:46.600
of all time? Well, maybe
in a top three, whatever it may

1018
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.840
be. I don't want to get
to that situation right now. But why

1019
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:56.640
would Tiger Woods be so shown on
with a bright light where a guy like

1020
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.600
author Ash is not? Author Ash
was great, right, other is a

1021
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.039
great tennis player. I don't hear
the accolades for Arthur Ash as they do.

1022
01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:06.039
Tell me why, I don't know
why. Well, I mean,

1023
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:13.520
Arthur Ash was great, but we're
talking about a greatness and then iconic above

1024
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.279
all else greatness. And I don't
think Arthur ashe quite clified and that doesn't

1025
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:20.600
detract anything. Oh, come on, what did Tiger what did he do?

1026
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.319
First? He want he want he
wanted he want to he want to

1027
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:29.840
masters he wanted Masters at the age
of forty three. With people off the

1028
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:34.159
golf course, he has influenced an
entire generation of golfers. You see out

1029
01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:39.159
there now in the PGA, that's
what he thinks. Yes, absolutely,

1030
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.199
you don what influenced them. No, you don't want to influence those golfers.

1031
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.560
Money. Money influenced those That's basically
what it did. They grew up,

1032
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:48.720
they grew up as little kids,
and they they grew up as little

1033
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.720
kids watching tiger Woods, and they
weren't thinking about money at all. They

1034
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:57.560
were just watching this greatness unfold before
them. Why why are you? Why

1035
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.119
are you? Why are you peeing
on tiger Wood? I'm not degrading.

1036
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:04.920
I'm not degrading that. I mean, Arthur ash was a great. Well,

1037
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:08.720
what does it have to do with
him being a saint or not?

1038
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.760
What that tim to a saint?
No, I'm not guy basically run off

1039
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.199
the road when he had a d
U I basically he got got the case

1040
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:20.720
thrown out. Really he was drunk
problem. I mean, come on,

1041
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:26.560
he's You're a natural born hater,
just a natural born hater of anybody who

1042
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:30.960
is that great, above, above
and beyond anybody else in his sport.

1043
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:35.520
Arthur ashe was not the Arthur ashe
was not the greatest tennis player alive when

1044
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:40.800
he won. He was a guy. He won as a whole. I'm

1045
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.680
looking at the whole person, the
whole person. You're not looking at the

1046
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.920
whole person. I'm looking for what
they've done in the sport, look and

1047
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:53.840
the influential aspect of their persona no
good in the sport, good in the

1048
01:16:53.880 --> 01:17:00.159
sport period. That's it's good.
Great Arthur Arthur h yes, a greatness

1049
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:04.479
sport. All right. I want
to talk about that college football, college

1050
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:10.600
football, about about five weeks away
from college football right now, about Oklahoma

1051
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:14.079
State Football, almost State University,
and their coach of twenty years right now,

1052
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:15.800
Mike Gundhy, who's a bit of
a character. All right. I

1053
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:21.439
love I love Mike Gandhy. I
do too. I lived in Oklahoma.

1054
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:25.319
I love Mike Gundhy too. He's
a character. He speaks his piece,

1055
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.760
and maybe he speaks his piece so
much because he's got so much juice.

1056
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.239
He's been there twenty years, whatever
it may be. But his running back,

1057
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:34.079
his star running back with me eventually
get the Heisman Trophy this year,

1058
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:38.159
Ali Gordon, who ran all over. You see last year in football,

1059
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:43.199
got a duy, got a duyl
Okay, and as last week watching ESPN,

1060
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:46.039
watching the Big twelve Media Days,
and the media was questioning him and

1061
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:50.800
drilling Mike Gandhi, why didn't you
suspend this guy? All right, Okay,

1062
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:54.640
that's the first issue. We'll get
into what my Gandhi had to say

1063
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:59.840
after that. I have a real
problem when media people tell coaches what to

1064
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.680
do, number one, And also
when coaches suspend a player, because when

1065
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:09.880
you suspend a player, obviously you're
punishing it for sure, but you're hurting

1066
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:13.600
the other thirty five forty players on
the team and you can create a problem.

1067
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.560
So I don't I'm not into the
suspension part, certainly. I'm sure

1068
01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.399
Ali Gordon lost his driver's license.
He's you have to pay a fine,

1069
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:23.600
and he's got public humiliation. That's
enough of the punishment as well, all

1070
01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:27.720
right. The fact that the athletic
director are president of Oklahoma State never intertwined

1071
01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.039
or intervened with basically the situation tells
me that my Gundy's got the power and

1072
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:34.399
they believe in my Gandi. That's
number one. Your take on the suspensions

1073
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:41.039
in college football or basketball, all
right, My take is these same any

1074
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:46.239
of people who are asking the questions, how many of them have things shoved

1075
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.399
under the rug when they drink and
drive and get caught. It happens a

1076
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:57.039
lot andy and many of them do
not get fired or get suspended. You

1077
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:01.520
know that their organization stands behind them
in the media, and yet their arrest

1078
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:08.239
oft times get shoved under the rug, and nobody even knows about it except

1079
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:12.840
their immediate family and the people that
they work with. So my answer to

1080
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:16.319
the media, you know, I've
been a member of the media now just

1081
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:20.479
because of my involvement in radio for
over forty four years, for that long,

1082
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:27.079
and I can't stand media generally.
Of course I'm different. Well,

1083
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.239
that means that means you can't stand
me. I'm in the media. No,

1084
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:34.479
no, it means I can't stand
myself. I'm a self hating media

1085
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:39.159
guy. I guess that's what I'm
saying. But I really, generally,

1086
01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:44.039
when it comes to putting other people's
feet to the fire, I think the

1087
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.319
media needs to take a step back. That's right, needs to take a

1088
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:51.680
state step back and go, okay, will we be that tough on one

1089
01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:58.439
of our own or ourselves? And
my answer is generally No, that's right,

1090
01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:00.560
That's how I feel me. Let
me continue with this, with this

1091
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:04.640
Ali Gordon situation. Certainly he's he's
a personality. Oklahoma States and still Water,

1092
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.279
Oklahoma. I'm showing Alli Gordon walks
down the street. Little kids are

1093
01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:10.520
looking at him. They wants to
autograph, they want a picture. Okay,

1094
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:14.159
if the third string quarterback of Oklahoma
State got a duy and walk down

1095
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:15.640
the street, probably don't want to
know who he was, so he would

1096
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.880
not be suspended. So basically,
you are representing the school, and you

1097
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:23.399
were in the school colors, the
school image, and there's a I guess

1098
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:26.800
I don't know anything. I don't
know any to represent that. Let me

1099
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.039
play Devil's advocate. I think if
you were the third string quarterback and you

1100
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:33.520
were holding the clipboard, you might
as well get suspended. Yeah you know

1101
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:38.239
what I mean. Maybe the fourth
string defensive lineman, whatever it may be,

1102
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.319
if you're on the roster of the
team, off the team, and

1103
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:44.880
you know what that may have happened. Who knows, but I would let

1104
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.159
me go one step further. These
are scholarship players basically paid by the school,

1105
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.640
earning money now at nil name,
image and like this. Let's move

1106
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:56.560
over to the band. The band's
a big operation in most major colleges,

1107
01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.840
and most band members are on scholarship. What if a band and most of

1108
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.600
them and most of them and most
of them most of them smoke pot at

1109
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.199
least, well, I mean,
you're giving the broad brush over there.

1110
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:10.439
I don't know. I will not
say an a'm I'm sure there are some

1111
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:14.560
due but the music songs listen if
you're if you're a tuba player and you're

1112
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.359
marching on a field for a college
band, you got to have something to

1113
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:23.920
take off the ad andy. I'm
sure they're stone so they can make they

1114
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:28.520
can make Louis Louis sound groovy in
their ears underneath those helmets that well,

1115
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:30.359
you know, you may get some
comments from people from Ihole State University or

1116
01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:38.600
any any university band. Well whatever, But here's the deal. So if

1117
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:40.840
a guy in the band or a
woman in the band gets a duy,

1118
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:43.600
there's a good chance that A no
one's going to know about it, or

1119
01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:45.720
B you're not going to get suspended
a thrown off the band. Really so

1120
01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:49.840
so I mean there's a different,
I guess rule for for different people.

1121
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:55.039
Now what Oklahoma states should do,
and maybe what most colleges should do,

1122
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:59.520
because I think start players on various
teams and various colleges get duy are controlled

1123
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:00.439
by the coach. The coach wants
to win. They bring in a lot

1124
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:03.600
of money to these teams baseball,
basketball, football, whatever they be,

1125
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.520
and they can't lose these guys with
their money. People, they bring the

1126
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:13.800
money in good. They're paid for
money right now, right And what they

1127
01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:17.920
should do is have I guess a
ruling from coming down from the athletic department

1128
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.800
or the president, whatever it may
be, that here's zero tolerance to be

1129
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.439
a duy. You suspended for a
day, spend it for a game,

1130
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.600
or thrown off, whatever it may
be. And this way the coaches off

1131
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.680
the hook. He doesn't have to
answer questions like my gandy did my gunniesay

1132
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.159
ISOK, guys, here's the rule. I didn't make it up. It

1133
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:35.079
comes down from above. You know, if you get caught with a duy,

1134
01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.520
you miss one game, well you're
off the team, whatever it may

1135
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:40.680
be. That's the way it should
be. It takes the pressure off the

1136
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.319
coach and he does a dance of
these media clowns at these big meetings.

1137
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:47.840
Well, you said it right there, media clowns. But what is it

1138
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:53.479
Those who can do do, those
who can't teach, and those who can't

1139
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.760
teach become members of the media.
That's that's that's a succession that I have

1140
01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:01.760
right there. Go ahead, and
my Gundhy basically, and you know you

1141
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.359
and I know him. I like
him, I really do. But he

1142
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:09.720
really put himself in a hole yet
because he came back at these meetings and

1143
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:13.720
said that the blood alcohol content was
zero point one. Zero would have been

1144
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:18.279
translated to maybe two or three beers
or maybe four. He said, okay,

1145
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:20.880
and he says, quote, I'm
not justifying what all he did.

1146
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:25.800
I'm telling you what decision I made. I thought, okay, and get

1147
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:30.199
this, I've probably done that a
thousand times in my life and it was

1148
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.520
just fine. So I got lucky. People get lucky. Now. I

1149
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.199
don't think anybody. I don't care
if you're a coach forever. Maybe when

1150
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:41.000
you're talking about drinking and driving in
a duy. For a coach to say

1151
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:44.920
that he has done that not good. That is not good. It's not

1152
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:46.840
a good look. It's not a
good thing for my Gundhy. You know,

1153
01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:50.119
maybe you could tell the kid Ali
Gordon privately, Hey look Ali,

1154
01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:53.840
I know what you did. I've
done it, just don't do it again.

1155
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:58.199
But to say it on ESPN to
a media guy that you did it,

1156
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:00.720
I mean, great thing. Honesty
is wonderful, but the stupidity is

1157
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:08.279
even worse and worse. What do
you think Bob Huggins would say? He

1158
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.439
doesn't have to say that he's done, he's got duys, You don't have

1159
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:14.680
to say anything. Does look at
the record? Really do you think?

1160
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.960
I mean, do you think when
Bob's Bob Huggins was coaching, do you

1161
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:23.000
think that he would suspend a player
for getting a d U I broby beginning

1162
01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:28.319
a d Y with the player.
I shouldn't say. And I love Huggs,

1163
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.640
I really do. But you know
what, it's a disease when you

1164
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.840
think it is alcoholism? Does he's
not not at one d U I go

1165
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:39.119
out and party and drinking A mean, that's not a disease. No,

1166
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:43.439
that's not. No. But alcoholism
is a disease. But drinking at a

1167
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:46.199
party a duy is not a disease. Drinking alcohol is not a disease.

1168
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:54.039
Let's just drinking alcohol is Alcoholismisa,
So where do you draw the line between

1169
01:24:54.119 --> 01:25:01.319
alcoholism and drinking icon alcohol Alcoholism is
call it by drinking alcohol? Right?

1170
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:08.279
Alcohol drinking can't create a disease,
you know, excessive alcoholic drinking can't create

1171
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:14.960
alcoholism. What would you what would
be what would be Andy Furman's line that

1172
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.840
you say gets crossed and you become
from someone who's just a social drinker drinking

1173
01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:23.880
at a party and has a few
too many and an alcoholic what what's what's

1174
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:28.159
the defining line there, Andy,
I'd like to know getting getting up eight

1175
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.560
o'clock and they want to brushing your
teeth and having a shot in the beer.

1176
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:35.880
What about if you're having the shot
while you're rinsing with alcohol while you're

1177
01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:40.279
brushing your teeth. Okay, well
what if you put the shot and beer

1178
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:45.800
in your corn flakes? Say that's
that's that's a dietary. I mean,

1179
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:51.279
that's not something that that doesn't sound
actually very appealing to me. And I

1180
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:57.359
enjoy the occasional alcoholic beverage, but
I would never put it on my corn

1181
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:04.279
flakes. No or no. But
I think having alcohol prior to the noon

1182
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:09.640
hour on Okay, So this is
where I was getting to. What is

1183
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:14.680
the demarketing line of becoming an alcoholic
or just enjoying alcohol. And you say

1184
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:19.000
any time before noon, no,
because you can't have a drink before noon.

1185
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.479
I mean, if it's a hot
day today and you're at the pool

1186
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:24.640
and you want to have a cold
beer, what about you? What about

1187
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.399
if you're on vacation in Florida and
you decide to have a bloody Mary with

1188
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.279
breakfast. That's not an alcoholic necessary
no, no, not at all.

1189
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:33.800
No. But I think if you
do it on a regular basis, if

1190
01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:38.560
you have more than one, if
you crave it, I think this is

1191
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:41.520
a fine line. But I think
that you know, those people who are

1192
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.520
quote alcohol alcoholics will never admit that
they are, because you know, people

1193
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.119
don't want to say that they are. I mean, I think that if

1194
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.239
you do it every day, I
don't know what the number is. And

1195
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:55.520
I think everybody's body is a different
tolerance to alcohol. Thank you, that's

1196
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.479
the difference. I mean, Uh, you know, I could see somebody

1197
01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:01.119
who's had eight beers. I have
no idea that he's intoxicating. I have

1198
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:04.279
no idea. I mean because he
is a different control level, I guess

1199
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:11.840
a different uh, and he as
a bartender, I see it all the

1200
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:15.960
time. And I know who the
alcoholics are, and I know who are

1201
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:20.840
people who just enjoy the occasional alcoholic
beverage or maybe a few beers. Do

1202
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.800
you cut them off when they ask
for a drink? What do you do?

1203
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.479
Well? It depends on how bad
off they are. I mean,

1204
01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:30.279
I have they coming to the bar
already? No? No, no,

1205
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:34.359
here's here's here's my line in the
sand. If you come into the bar

1206
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:39.840
and you're ping ponging through the door
and I can tell that you're already plowed,

1207
01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:43.159
no, I'm not serving you.
And I've done that numerous times,

1208
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:48.239
and most of the time I get
an argument because they and I say,

1209
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:53.520
now see you're arguing with me,
which tells me that I am absolutely correct

1210
01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:58.199
in upstainings from serving you. Listen, I am absolutely correct in the fact

1211
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.720
that we have no more time for
this segment, but going to come back

1212
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:03.239
and do a little bit more because
I know you've got more grist for the

1213
01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:09.760
mill, You've got more things that
are burning, seething underneath that school boy,

1214
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.239
and you want to get off your
chest, all right, Andy Furman

1215
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.279
to you, he continues, Because
I'm your like psychologist, I'm your radio

1216
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.119
psychologist Gary Jeff. Sit on my
couch, Andy and tell me your troubles

1217
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:27.000
and we'll be right back with more
of that on seven hundred WLW on a

1218
01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:30.319
Monday night. Are you excited for
the All Star Game tomorrow night with La

1219
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:33.000
de La Cruz and Hunter Green playing
Andy? You don't want, though,

1220
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:35.439
I will tell you this much.
I'm not going to give you a yes

1221
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.680
or no answer, because whatever I
do, you swing at me with a

1222
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.079
bat. Okay, I'll tell you
what. I love baseball. I love

1223
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:47.239
sports altogether. I love all sports, and I think that as as we

1224
01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.439
discovered in the last segment, you
don't necessarily care for tiger Woods. But

1225
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:54.760
anyway, continue, No I do. I respect you on the golf course,

1226
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.479
a great golfer, but don't make
them do a saint because I don't

1227
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.479
think he is. He has the
problems with his life other guys have.

1228
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:02.960
When we move on here. But
as far as Major League Baseball in the

1229
01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.840
All Star Game, I think it's
been diluted. I think it's not the

1230
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:10.279
same as it once was. And
you know, I think, sounding like

1231
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.840
my my mom and dad when I
was growing up, everybody thinks it was

1232
01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:15.760
better with Ben, But I honestly, do think it was better then.

1233
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:19.760
I think they had better players,
They're more recognizable players. They can't even

1234
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:24.279
promote the stars in Major League Baseball. I don't know what they do or

1235
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.479
who does it or how they do
it. But there's something missing in Major

1236
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.720
League Baseball is the fact that a
lot of these players don't speak English.

1237
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:32.399
I don't know what it is.
I really don't. When I was a

1238
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.359
kid, it was Mantle, it
was Maze, it was Maris, it

1239
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:41.600
was Eddie Matthews, it was Warren
Spotts. Wow, you named four players

1240
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:47.840
in a row that had ms at
the start of last names Mars and today

1241
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:53.079
you know you know O'johnnie from the
Dodgers. I mean, you know it

1242
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:56.600
just it's a different day. It's
a different day and age, and there's

1243
01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:00.640
they're not bad ball players. I
don't think they, MAXI no, hold

1244
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:02.640
on, hold on, Andy,
I know what you're getting at. You're

1245
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:09.159
talking about the difference between American born
players and players that are foreign. So

1246
01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:15.399
you're Zeno. You're Zeno. But
you didn't mention. You didn't mention Roberto

1247
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:20.640
Clementi until I pointed out that you
were stressing how these great American icons of

1248
01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:28.079
baseball were all American born players and
then you go to the right exactly.

1249
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:31.239
So that's that's the difference. No
problem. Could your name a great American

1250
01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:34.720
player? Now, who's a great
American player right now? And I don't

1251
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:38.800
really care. A Green is a
great American player. Hunter Green is a

1252
01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:45.319
great an add on to the All
Star team with great player, I mean

1253
01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:51.199
Jonathan Andy, Jonathan Jonathan India is
a great American player up and coming right

1254
01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:56.680
here in Cincinnati. The problem,
so that's the problem with you and many

1255
01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:01.920
fans in this area, is overused. Yeah, the word great is over

1256
01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:08.560
that. Great. P Rose was
great, Okay, I mentioned were great.

1257
01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:13.680
Okay, don't put them in the
same connotation as as Hunter Green.

1258
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.720
Hunter Green is not great. Sandy
Colfax was great. And you're standing very

1259
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:21.399
old right now, do you understand
that, Yeah, I'm not Look,

1260
01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:27.439
Bob Gibson was great. He was. Yeah, these guys were great.

1261
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:30.840
I got to see I see,
I got to see Bob getson pitch.

1262
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:33.199
And when I when I lived in
Saint Louis as a kid, he was

1263
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:39.600
still with the Cardinals. I got
to see Bob I got I got right,

1264
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.000
no doubt, Okay, Elie de
la Cruz, a tremendous player worth

1265
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.439
the admission because he's exciting. You
never got to see, you know,

1266
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:47.640
you don't know what to expect them
home runs the last two games he played.

1267
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:50.720
He's great? Is he great?
No, he's exciting. He's a

1268
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.279
great person to watch. He's one
of those guys that you will not go

1269
01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:58.960
to. The story is still and
the story is still being fifty. The

1270
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:02.680
story is still. This is right, So don't call him. He's been

1271
01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:06.000
here for a year, he's been
in the majors for just over a year

1272
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:12.079
and now so so yes, I
understand that he's a great class. It's

1273
01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:15.439
been full, but right the back
of his baseball club has not been full

1274
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:17.600
yet. I agree with you.
Okay, so don't call him great yet.

1275
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.880
We don't know. Okay. He's
on the All Star team, which

1276
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:26.199
is wonderful for the Raids. But
the guy's fight in two fifty when you

1277
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:29.279
were a kid, a guy betting
two fifty couldn't get a ticket to the

1278
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.479
All time? Was Kim Griffy or
great Andy? He was great? Was

1279
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:38.520
joe was Joey Vodo? Was Joey? Was Joey Vodo? Great? Excellent

1280
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:42.279
hitter? Not great? Not great. I don't think. I don't think

1281
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:44.520
he's going to be a first ballat
Hall of Famer. I really don't.

1282
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:46.439
There's gonna be a big backup at
first baseman. And I don't think he's

1283
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:49.640
definitely not not a first ballot Hall
of Famer, that's for sure, but

1284
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:54.279
not great. You got guys like
David Concepcion was great. He can't even

1285
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:58.159
get it to the Hall of Fame. He was great. No, maybe

1286
01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.760
maybe was great. Maybe if he'd
been an American born player he'd be great.

1287
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:06.399
Then Andy, he is great.
Sin was great. Don't play that.

1288
01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:10.279
Don't play that because it makes me. It makes me one of those

1289
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.399
like like a hater for people who
are not born. That is not true.

1290
01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:16.279
No, I am a hater,
but not because I am a hater,

1291
01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:20.119
but not because the people who are
not done here at least because I

1292
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:27.319
think I'm honest. You're a hater. I'm honest. That's that makes you

1293
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:31.159
know. I hate. I hate
things that basically people think are great.

1294
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:35.520
And then I'm one of those guys
that's kind of really you win, give

1295
01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:42.159
you logic. I'm a logical guy. Told me earlier that Tiger Woods wasn't

1296
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.159
great. Come on, I said, he's a great col don't put words

1297
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:48.039
in my mouth. He's a great
golfer. He's not a saint that you

1298
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:55.119
made him. He's not a great
person. He's a great golf Well,

1299
01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:58.159
you made him up to be the
saint. I wrote a book about him,

1300
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:00.640
and this Why would you write a
book about Tiger Woods? What I

1301
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:03.000
mean? I don't know it,
and I'll get the book. But why

1302
01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:06.000
why? Why would you give me
an answer? Give me three reasons why

1303
01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:10.279
anybody would write a book. Besides
the money, besides the money, Why

1304
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.000
would anybody want to write a book
about Tiger Woods. People don't. We

1305
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:16.159
don't know that, we don't care. People don't you really care? People

1306
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:20.560
do not. People do not,
especially people like James Patterson, don't write

1307
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:25.640
books if they don't think they're gonna
sell andy. Because Tiger Woods is a

1308
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.640
name that sells books. It sells
books. That's why you would write a

1309
01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.399
book. Else it's just sell books. People don't write books, so they

1310
01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.600
sit on a cell but nobody ever
reads them. What's wrong with you?

1311
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:41.680
Of course no, of course he
wrote the book for money. How you

1312
01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:44.439
answer my question? He wrote the
bookcause he thought he could make money off

1313
01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:48.840
tiger Woods. Not because he respects
tiger Woods. Listen to the interview.

1314
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:53.560
Listen to the interview. He respects
tiger Woods, Believe me he does.

1315
01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:56.600
Well, yeah, because he's making
money off the guy. Do you think

1316
01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.840
he's a bum? I don't think
there's pet people out there to really care

1317
01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:03.039
about Tiger Woods, life, walk
the golf boards. Really I don't,

1318
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:08.159
I really don't. I'd like to
know why he got started in golf,

1319
01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:11.439
what what got him interested in the
game of golf, and how he became

1320
01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:15.359
so good at golf. Now you're
making andy. You're making me rethink my

1321
01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:19.960
whole effort in booking this guest now
because apparently I spent half an hour with

1322
01:35:20.159 --> 01:35:25.279
James Patterson on tiger Woods. And
you don't think anybody will care. You

1323
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:28.960
don't think anybody who will. No, you care for two reasons. Number

1324
01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:30.720
one, he cares because he's making
money off Tiger Woods. You can't because

1325
01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:33.600
the's twofold. Number one, you're
getting the book free. And number two,

1326
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:36.239
he filled the void. He filled
the segment for you. So there

1327
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:40.880
are two things for you. That's
why you care. So are there?

1328
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:45.399
It was all so it was all
self aggrandizing for me. It was because

1329
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:47.640
the void you got to, You
got a segment done, and you got

1330
01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:54.399
a free book. Don't you know
that I do this strictly for the public's

1331
01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.119
benefit, Andy, Don't you understand
that. Yeah, I get paid,

1332
01:35:57.159 --> 01:36:00.720
but that's secondary to all of it. I know that I'm people like you

1333
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:05.119
that other people will want to listen
to and this will help them shape their

1334
01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:09.800
opinions. And you're not getting right. You're not getting anything free from me,

1335
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.479
nothing under the table for me,
and I'm not getting anything from you.

1336
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:15.640
You know, this is straight from
the heart. That's basically what it

1337
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.000
is. I'll give you an example. Here's a deal. You know,

1338
01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:20.319
as much as I love sports as
a kid, you have those big white

1339
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:24.600
eyes. Your eyes look like silver
dollars because you think these guys could do

1340
01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:26.960
no wrong and everything's on the up
and up, and everything is clean.

1341
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.760
Okay. I look at these colleges
that are moving from conference to conference and

1342
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:36.159
last year's you know, Deon Sanders
coach prime and Colorado the University of got

1343
01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:40.000
into the Big Twelve, where you
see, isn't right? So then I

1344
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:44.319
find out the other day that the
Big Twelve conference and their commissioner, Brett

1345
01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:50.000
yourmap gave Colorado two point five million
dollars as a signing bonus from the Big

1346
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:56.319
twelve conference as an editor indictment enticement
to get the Buffalos to leave the PAC

1347
01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:00.399
twelve and join the Big twelve instead. All right, so now I'm thinking,

1348
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:03.079
like the PAC twelve was down the
two schools Washington State and Oregon State,

1349
01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:05.840
why doesn't the PAC twelve sue the
Big twelve for what they did?

1350
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:10.239
They stole teams from their conference,
they paid them off to go to the

1351
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:13.520
Big twelve. This is ugly,
This is ridiculous. This is under the

1352
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:18.159
table garbage. And more than that, the other schools that followed Colorado into

1353
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:23.319
the Big twelve did not get the
two point five bonus. That's unbelievable.

1354
01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:27.800
Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah
didn't get a dime for moving out of

1355
01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.680
their conference to go to the Big
twelve. But Colorado, did you sound

1356
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:34.479
like red buttons with a Dean Martin
roast. So and so did this and

1357
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:40.119
never got a dinner and never got
a dinner? Yes, well yeah that's

1358
01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:44.600
true. No, but I mean
these underhanded things under the table. To

1359
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.119
me, it just hurts the word. It hurts the world. Of sports,

1360
01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:49.800
which I always thought was on the
up and up. It's clean as

1361
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:54.359
this now with gambling. I'm hearing
guys are getting thrown out of the NBA

1362
01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:57.439
games because they're, you know,
gambling, and same when they heard that.

1363
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.920
Just it's everything is turning ugly.
Do you think sadly? Andy,

1364
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:05.760
it's it's not the nineteen fifties or
the nineteen sixties anymore. You're correct.

1365
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:11.279
Oh no, there was his big
ambling in nineteen fifty the big scandals in

1366
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:15.439
the New York City college basketball is
unbelievable. So really it was just as

1367
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.479
corrupt then it's just changed its face
of how corrupt it is. And the

1368
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:24.079
and the names are different. Well
maybe what Bethey is more so, I

1369
01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:27.880
mean it's it's easier to get involved, get well. You new the phone,

1370
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.720
Andy, Thank you, thank you
for helping me fill two segments tonight.

1371
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.760
You've been wonderful. So that's who
I am a plug. That's why

1372
01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:43.239
I'm a plug. At least you're
not a hair plug in Joe Biden's head.

1373
01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:48.000
And thank you very much, sir. Back to wrap up the nightcap

1374
01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:54.000
in just a moment, Monday Night
and seven hundred W l W Gary Jeff

1375
01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:57.920
Walker with a few closing thoughts on
what has transpired in our country over the

1376
01:38:58.039 --> 01:39:02.960
last seventy two hours, including,
of course, the mostly peaceful assassination attempt

1377
01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:09.399
of President Trump Saturday in Butler County, Pennsylvania, and thank god Donald J.

1378
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:13.800
Trump is still with us, and
of course presiding over the Republican National

1379
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:18.520
Convention happening right now in Milwaukee,
Wisconsin. Of course, the mostly peaceful

1380
01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:25.279
assassination attempt was a joke, not
too funny a joke, by the way,

1381
01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:32.760
but I'm sure that's some in the
liberal media's focus. This was a

1382
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:40.840
mostly peaceful assassination attempt, like the
riots that destroyed the five hundred and seventy

1383
01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:46.079
four riots that destroyed entire city blocks
of downtowns across this country in twenty twenty,

1384
01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:50.600
the burning of police stations to the
ground, the fire bombing of federal

1385
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:57.199
courthouses, the taking over, as
I mentioned, of several city blocks in

1386
01:39:57.319 --> 01:40:01.000
cities like Seattle, Washington. They
were all most peaceful protest, weren't they,

1387
01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:08.920
Like Black Lives Matter and Antifa and
total anarchy in our streets, all

1388
01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:15.479
for political purposes. These were all
domestic terrorists being paid by people from out

1389
01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:19.079
of our country from people inside of
our country. Kamala Harris, the Vice

1390
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:26.920
President, currently starting a bail fund
for the Black Lives Matter protesters who wrought

1391
01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:31.199
so much havoc in the wake of
the death of George Floyd in that city,

1392
01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:38.439
collecting millions of dollars to bail terrorists
out of jail because it fit her

1393
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:45.199
political bent and agenda. Was talking
with Willie Cunningham earlier today and he used

1394
01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:49.479
the term mostly a peaceful assassination attempt
to President Trump, which I think is

1395
01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:55.880
genius and right on point. And
many liberal publications that are still trying to

1396
01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:01.239
blame Donald Trump for someone trying to
take his life at that rally this weekend

1397
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:11.000
absolutely disgusting. President Biden striking the
only tone he could strike in his address

1398
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:16.680
to the nation last night and during
the day yesterday, about unity and about

1399
01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:25.199
turning down the rhetoric, turning down
the temperature of our political discourse. If

1400
01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:30.399
he meant it and if people adhere
to it, fine, My idea is

1401
01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:36.159
that they probably won't because, as
you have witnessed over the last couple of

1402
01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:40.640
years, ever since it was clear
Donald Trump was running for president again,

1403
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:45.680
they will stop at nothing. And
they being the Democrats, being the far

1404
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:51.159
left nut jobs that are now controlling
the Democrat Party in this country. They've

1405
01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:56.640
tried to bankrupt him, made a
pretty good attempt, pretty good dent in

1406
01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:00.640
that. I hope that that thing
in New York is reversed in tai and

1407
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.840
he gets all half a million dollars
back or half a billion dollars back,

1408
01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:13.119
excuse me, the convictions in New
York, which very well will be overturned

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and should be overturned. With the
news today earlier that Eileen Cannon, the

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federal judge in Florida, has totally
dismissed the document's case against President Trump because

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Jack Smith was an illegitimate, unconstitutional, unlawful appointment as special counsel in the

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case, and he's got his fingerprints
all over everything. So Merrick Garland and

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the DOJ didn't have to catch direct
fire. So they've tried to bankrupt him.

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They've tried law fair and now there
is an element of the Democrat Party,

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and believe you me they are.
They are members of the left wing

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of our country have now tried to
kill President Trump. You can't bankrupt him,

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you can't put him in jail.
And as evidenced by Saturday. Apparently

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you aren't gonna have a hard time
putting him down because President Trump always fights.

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And I don't mean a fistfight.
I don't mean with weapons. I

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don't mean using the National Guard to
impose martial law if he becomes president.

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I don't mean a blood bath.
I don't mean dictator for one day.

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He fights for all of us and
has consistently ever since he took office the

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first time. God blessed Donald Trump, and God help anyone who further tries

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to eradicate this beautiful, beautiful country
that was put together two hundred and forty

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eight years ago by our founding fathers
and their declaration of independence and then the

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ensuing constitution that sets this nation up
art from every other country on the globe.

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You can't keep a good man down. Apparently, even with bullets,

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the Secret Service has a lot to
answer for. We will have more reaction

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from the Republican National Commission, Committee
and Convention tomorrow night on the night Cap

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immediately after the All Star Game,
plus reactions how did La de la Cruz

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acquit himself? Did Hunter Green get
in the game, and all of the

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rest of that, And will have
a special hour live tomorrow night after that.

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But just closing, I am so
grateful to God Almighty for sparing the

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life of the man who I believe
will be the next president of these United

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States, and I pray to God
that he continues to protect him because he

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has a special purpose here on earth, and it is to lead this nation

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back from the abyss that has been
created over the last three and a half

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years by this current regime. And
it is a regime, and it's not

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Joe Biden, it's the people who
are the puppet masters behind Joe Biden.

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It's obvious that the current president is
incapable of doing anything on his own,

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and has been from the very beginning. He can sign executive orders, but

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after that, executive orders that are
put in front of him and he is

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told to sign, by the way, But other than that, he's incapable

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of walking, chewing gum, and
being president. And that has been clearly

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obvious, not just since the debate, but since the very beginning. God

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bless Donald Trump, God bless the
USA, and real patriots continue to fight

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not with riots, not with fists, not with guns, but continue the

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fight for the might of the right. God Bless. Here is the Star

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Spangled banner to honor America as we
close out on this nightcap on seven hundred WLW