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The following is a presentation of Playfly
Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties.

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Well. A pleasant, good evening, everybody. It is Tuesday, March

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twenty eighth. I'm your host,
Jason Strayhorn, along with my co hosts

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Otis Wiley and Jayu Choot. You
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back to the show. Gentlemen, we

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got a jam packed show today.
First of all, I want to ask

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you, guys, how how was
your weekend? I'm still getting over you

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know that tough lost stuff. I'm
still getting over it. I considered it

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last Thursday weekend. But other than
that, you know, it was good

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to get home and relax and and
hang hang a little bit. You give

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give my bearings, get breath,
gets rest. I was out for the

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count this past weekend, so you
know, the sickness caught up to me.

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But yeah, yeah, you've been
on the road a lot. I

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mean you were from Chicago, Columbus, New York. I mean that's a

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lot of traveling. So I'm glad
to get you a little rest. And

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you know, it looks like you
have the good spartan attire, spartan strong

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on. Oh yeah, little you
know. And Jay, you this man

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this guy board walking In case you
didn't know, Hey, that's actually look

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I think you're living. You live
in vicerosity, thinking like that would have

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been one of your nil dealers for
show. Absolutely, yes, Rex and

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the land Shark and Dublin's those three
rotation. You know that's that's competitors.

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So you can't really, yeah,
you can't. You wouldn't have an exclusive

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compete, right, lives, different
vibes. Yeah, that land Sharks you

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get, you get Thursday exclusivity.
With Jayu. It was sometimes story Steve

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Smith, what's up with you guys? The boys are back? I like

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that, Well, we're gonna talk
about the game. Gotta cover the game

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that Michigan State loss. Unfortunately,
Michigan State loses the game to Kansas State

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in the Sweet sixteen ninety eight to
ninety three, and overtime fellas what's your

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thoughts. I'm still getting over this
man, and it's hard. It's hard

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to talk about. We gotta do
it. I mean, you know,

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it was that that night, the
night of the game, Like I'm it

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was just a somber walk in New
York. It was just like a that

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was so glad to be New York. You know how when Eddie Murphy came

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from comes and come to New York. It's out happy, like I'm ready

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to go, ready to attack the
city, have some fun. And then

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we lose and it was a summer
man walking to like what we're gonna do

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next? Man, Like just we
were that close, and you know,

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I think I sat down and finally
said, listen, I'd rather go out

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like that. They'll go out where
I'm we're getting blown out or as like

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truly like a Cinderella story. Somebody
beat us bad like we fought tooth and

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nail boys went at it, played
their best ball during the tournament play.

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So I have nothing but respect for
how we did play. But it's tough

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when that the team to beat us, they lose us to the next team,

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which I think we had a good
run if we would have took care

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of Kansas State. But it's the
final four. This is one of those

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unprecedented matchup, man, which is
really the glorious to march madness. Man.

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Anybody can take it. And this
is the proven fact this year twenty

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twenty three that uh, this is
gonna be a good one. I mean

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think about it. And you got
FAU in the final four and Miami.

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You know those are two South Florida
team, San Diego State and Yukon.

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Hats off to them. And you
can't believe the Kansas State lost after that

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great performance by Noel Man, I
mean that was crazy. The kid that

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nineteen assists. Check out him in
action here. Man. Now let's let's

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talk about the other guy who just
randomly wants to go hit five threes on

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us that ain't even touched the arc
sometimes, but this is a guy who

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you have to make sure he's accounted
for. But like just the back door

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passes, man was like almost he
was on he was on All Pro and

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we was all rookie for some of
those some of those plays where you're like,

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you got to find him and he's
making these magical That's when I knew

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we were in trouble. When the
kids on one ankle and then he has

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his he has this Mateen Cleeve's moment
there. You can't tell me that's not

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gonna be in that one shining moment, you know montage at the end there

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he has this Mateen Cleeves moment there. But when when this play happened right

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here and he on one legs does
a spinner ruining banks it in, you

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know, and I just I'm like, oh boy, you know it's gonna

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be a it's gonna be a dog
fight here. But you know, also

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to give the Spartans credit, they
played their best ball at the end.

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They played team football, team basketball, they played you know, good defense,

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and they just broke down a little. That pick and roll really killed

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us, you know against Kansas State. But you know, I'm excited for

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what the future holds for Michigan State
basketball. I'm excited for you know,

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I hope, you know, some
of those guys you know, choose to

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come back because they they got a
taste of going that far in the tournament

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and they're like, man, we
were this close, and with the pieces

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we have coming in, we have
the opportunity to even you know, go

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to that next level. So I
hope that's the thought process behind, you

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know, talk Tyson, Walker,
Malie Call and those guys you know,

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decided to come back for another year. Yeah, you know, you know,

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just just just before we move on
from this game, what do you

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guys think about this particular play where
it seemed to be that Noel was talking

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with the coach, arguing with the
coach, and and he calls the play

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and then then look at this alley
you uh, is that a called play

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or was that him just noticing the
back door cut that seemed to be open

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all night? I couldn't see obviously, no one has a view of him

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where like he could have been looking
at both Johnson and coach. But like,

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this is that football play you will
to the sidewhere acting like you're about

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to go out and snapped the ball
like even I mean aj is on him

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defending, like you know, the
perimeter of defending that passion lane, and

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I feel like he took his eyes
off of that interaction. Like I don't

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even know how, but you got
to know, you guys back here that

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can high fly and the number two, number one score, you got to

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know at all times, like you
need to be up hip the pocket to

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be honest with you like this is
like a man o man, check me

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man, Like, don't let no
back door happen. And it was when

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he did it, I was like, that was just saucy, That's all

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I said. St Right, Because
of being there, it's a lot different

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than getting the views if you get
at home. You know, I was

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saying a lot of exploitorves after television
at the time and everything else, you

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know, sitting in my living room. But you're at the venue seeing this,

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and you know, Doug hagen On
just said, you know it was

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one hundred percent set up. You
listen to Jay Wright during the game,

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the former Villanova coach who's won national
titles. He said it wasn't a play

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called. It was something that he
just noticed. He thought he was really

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arguing with the coach at the time. What do you guys really think about

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that? You know what, I
think there's something you know, it's a

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tough one. I think it was
actually a play call. I think that's

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something that they worked on in practice, you know, goofing around and you

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know, saying, hey, you
know, if this happens, you know,

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we're going to do this, you
know, if if we catch them

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off guard. It's those things that
you work feeling like you know in football,

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you work something miraculously happened, and
then you get to thinking like,

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wait a second, this could work, you know. So I think it

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was a play call and uh,
you know, something that they worked on.

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They obviously had. If that didn't
work, you know, just continue

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to you know, call you know, call your set and go from there.

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But uh, you know, it
was just too with the two and

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everything like that. I just think
there was some coding in there, and

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I think it was a design play. It was like a hidding ball right

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right. I mean the fact that
he caught it and it was a reverse

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alley you dunk man. That man, that man was sorry, he still

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had he still had time to elevate
even higher. Look, just oh,

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saucy, it has to be us
though, man, Like why us man

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cool? Cool? Basic defense and
three balls people are We got a couple

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of times that the old truck bounce
the ball off the back of the player

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early. You know, listen when
when when ty Walker hit that three ball

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out and like sized it up and
his legendary little side step boom. I

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was like, all right, we
ain't leaving here without no dub right,

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Like you felt that, like it
was crazy and they ain't just something.

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They responded quickly. It was like
one going back and forth, but one

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I got to get a shout out
to Art. My guy bought me a

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bourbon on third Wednesday night. I
actually forgot because it was one of those

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you can tell us what you buy. You know. How was the energy

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inside of the garden? I mean
you were there, tell it was electric?

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You know. It's a It was
a different feel than what we had

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in Madison Square Garden. We played
Rutgers because we only had a small it

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was a home game for Rutgers,
so it technically every everything was filled with

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Scarlett night. And so when you
have these matchups, you have four teams.

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Obviously you have your section that's already
designated. So like it was tough

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for us to uh to be across
from the bench as a fan base versus

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being behind. And but the advantage, which I think is truly an advantage

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is Kansas State fans and section was
right behind their bench, and so you

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have to like that was a mechanism
if we had to keep like responding,

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responding with you know, the little
Green God Whites. And you know,

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there was times where I really wanted
to be one of them sexual leaders,

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but I was like running up and
down the aisle, you know, like

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come on, because there was times
where you felt that momentum and you was

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like we got to take advantage of
it, get up like Spartan, like

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go crazy, right, And there
was a little bit of those times and

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moments where I feel like we should
have been able to take that that momentum

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from a fan fan fandom fan base
standpoint. But it was electric, man,

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Like it was one It felt like
we were just in Columbus or it

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was in Brezl and it was rocking. It was back and forth, and

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you know, once everybody I felt
bad for the next teams playing because it

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was such a great game. As
soon as it happened, like obviously we

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all kind of left upset, like
people dispersing like it was not that that

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much. Uh, you know there's
a lot of people there, but not

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a lot of people, if that
makes sense, right. Yeah, did

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I hear something about that Madison Square
Garden curse. I just saw a comment

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about that that I don't know.
I didn't know there was one. Msg

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kurse lives on. I didn't know
that. And we lost in the Who

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do we lose to a tournament there
last time? Ah? It was somebody.

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But what we gotta do is give
a special shout out, a birthday

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shout out to Doug hagad Oh,
Happy birthday, Happy birthday, Happy birthday,

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Dougie, Doug. All of us
here, this is spared a happy

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birthday. I have a special one. Yeah. Cheers, Cheers Duggie,

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cheers man, love your brother.
I remember when I was sixteen, finally

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gonna get that driver's all right,
you know? Moving on with a j.

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Holgard being named to the All Regional
Team. Fellas this man was in

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his bag, like I felt like
he finally said, I got a big

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square body frame as a guard.
I'm going to go toe to toe.

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I'm going let it lose. Shoot. He played like this was his last

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game, and you could tell like
he was there man, like just the

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look. This is aggression where it's
like I'm going I decided what I'm going

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to do and I'm going to go
get it. But there was a period

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of time in the game where he
was sitting and I know he had he

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had more files and they wanted to
manage that. But there was a moment

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where he was out where it was
like everybody kind of looked like, why

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isn't Aj back in because he was
a consistent score but this man had that

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look of the dog get him the
whole game and I'm excited to see what

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he's going to do in the off
season leading to the next season. But

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congratulations. It seemed like the scouting
report was like they didn't believe he could

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go with his left and they were
wrong about that lefty, lefty lefty.

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If we ain't had him back to
back and was he put up, like

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it would have been a different story
like we losing, we were lost by

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double figures because he got he kept
us in the game. Yeah, and

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you know, when you look at
next year, as you brought up,

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we got a couple of McDonald's,
all Americans, that will be Spartan's in

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the Green and White playing the night
at nine o'clock on the ESPN Savior Booker

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and Jammy Fears. Yeah, what
does Lebron say? Jay, he was

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like Cheezburger Club, they call it
club club, being cheesy. Exavier was

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there in Columbus while we were playing, and you can tell that man is

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he gives you that Kevin Durant,
I'm Ya's tall and you know he can

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go one and five, play the
one guard all the way to the five

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position, and I'm excited to see
him join what we already have on the

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court now. Jemy Fears, Jerry
Fears, I've told you guys, this

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guy is your typical is old gritty
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a lot like Walker reminds me of
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Is that he can dunk, he
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he can dish it, but also
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we need to make sure that if
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we got somebody to come in and
make sure that Trey Holloman and a j

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consistently grow in the front court.
But he's gonna be a great addition to

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the front court. Yeah, I'm
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opportunity today. All I can say
is for them, you know, enjoy

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it now, enjoy those he like, what's the step on? And coach

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get his hooks in you. You
know he's gonna coach you hard. He's

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gonna get you, He's gonna get
after you. So have that mental toughness

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you know when you come to East
Lanton. But enjoy it, you know,

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well earned and well deserved accolades tonight. Did we see the dunk contest

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at all the highlights? Do we
see that? Did you see Brownie?

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You didn't see it? No?
Yeah, man, he was he was.

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Hey, it looked like bro.
Look it looked like Lebron. I'll

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tell you that really like he's hello, man, I'm proud of he's taking

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that step. But it was a
good, good one and the number one

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pick was in the in the dunk
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Hey, I wish we had what
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that next week. Are in a
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right now. Didn't know about that. Otis got to tell us before the

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show, just you know, thank
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team in the background here, Tony
Tony g Tony Castella. The Madison Square

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Garden Curse lost to Rutgers and then
MSG this year, Kansas last year,

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Kentucky in nineteen and sixteen, and
Duke and eleven in the champions Class.

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So that's that's what that's about.
Okay. So now we're all on the

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same page about the Madison Square Garden
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talk about women's basketball. Man,
guys, Hey, the coaching search,

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what is going on? What are
we gonna who's going to take over for

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retiring Susan Merchant who stepped down recently. Yeah, I think, you know,

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going into this uh Michigan State,
I believe you know, with all

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the coaching, you know, the
changes and everything that's happened. Every every

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new hire has been kind of a
splash. You know. Hockey coach Nightingale

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comes in there, he's making a
splash. Coach Tucker came in making a

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splash. Coach is a he's a
staple there, so he's not going anywhere.

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But I think, uh, for
the women's team, they have to

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make a splash and a coach and
hire. They have to go after one

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of these big time assistants. They
have to go after one of these schools

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with with a you know, a
great head coach that's been established there and

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he's and he's uh a staple he
or she's a staple there and one of

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their systems. You know, pull
that aside, pull that knowledge, pull

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that you know, what it takes
to manage a team, a run team.

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And what that's going to do is
it's going to create a buzz to

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East Lanston. It's going to attract
the talent to East Slants and we have

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to be able to recruit all over
the country. And I think going outside

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and making a big splash is what's
gonna what it's gonna take to be able

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to recruit throughout the country and get
back to the to the days where we

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were, you know, in the
tournament year and a year out, you

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know, going to h final Force
and everything like that. Yeah, you

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know, I think that you're right. You look at women's basketball now and

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it's it's a very main stream sport. It's not what we consider the Olympic

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sports or in the olden days,
we called it non revenue the Olympic Sports

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Mission. You know, when you
look at Missis State basketball obviously with alegend

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like tom Izzo for men's basketball,
it only is natural for the women's program

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to take some of that shine along
with them. And you want, you

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have the ability to get that splash
higher. So we hope. I mean,

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I'm thinking, why not go after
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assistant that can come in here and
turn some hiss. I don't know

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w NBA, it doesn't matter to
me. We don't need to shoot low,

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shoot high exactly. That's where we
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truly believe like the women's game is
at an all time high, and you

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know, I've seen it where I've
seen the programs and personally coming from my

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last job at the NCAA and working
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women's final four year and year after
five years, like you see the programs

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are consistently getting there, and you
see you see the product of what they're

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putting out there and what we absolutely
have to aim to be. And it's

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truly like I see those programs as
winning. Like let's look at don Stately,

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she is absolutely the goat. Like
she is an absolutely goat. When

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you're making on the A Flat commercials
with Nick Samon and you kind of replaced

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Prime a little bit for basketball,
you to go right. And she she's

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not only like winning right, she's
winning in the team culture because those those

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women stay like when you see them
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locked and loaded. Nothing's breaking that
bond, and when they get on the

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court, they're deadly. And I
feel like we got to we gotta get

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a coach that's gonna be strong in
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tradition on the women's basketball side that
has it hasn't It hasn't been there,

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and it's really probably a testament to
like COVID and and post COVID and all

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the things that we have to deal
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these girls, truly we have some
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now. So I'm just looking forward
to seeing who we do bring an announcing

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here. But we've got to make
sure we give them the support that they

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need because it can be a game
changer. Yeah, Otis is right on

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that. The support piece is really
huge. We have to give them the

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support because the game is growing.
It's growing mentally. Just a couple of

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days ago, Tom Brady bought uh
Steak into the Las Vegas Aces team.

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He owns a w NBA team.
Now Tom Brady does the game has grown.

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You're watching team. I'm you know, flipping through now watching the women's

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tournament. Here. One of the
reasons I'm pulling for LSU is I love

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their coach. You know, I
think she's a brash figure. You know,

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there's an Instagram page dedicated to her, her outfits and everything that has

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drawn attention to the game of women's
basketball, and that should continue to do

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that. And she's going to continue
to get you know, girls to go

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there and play because they want to
be part of that splash Michigan State.

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We cannot just sit back and take
the safe route. We can't just take

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the route to just survive and hope
in you know, five years, we

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build something. We got to start
building now. Make us splash. Now,

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get girls on campus, get that
recruiting vib going inject some energy in

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the bres and for the women's sports, for the girls basketball team, and

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let's get after it. Make a
splash. Listen, look at all those

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four teams and going on to the
final four, on the least one of

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those assistants on that staff they got
a call from me. Trust you,

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I mean like hey, you look
at hey, you know, especially all

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of South Carolina staff make the call. Yeah, yeah, the whole the

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whole South. You gotta do it. Pick up that phone. Man.

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That's uh, our athletic director Alan
Howard's job. He can do what he

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wants to do and hopefully, you
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will make the right decision, but
I like the energy behind getting that splash.

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Hire guys, and we talked about
the what is a Twitter page designated

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for the outfits at the coach from
LSU wears and we have that too from

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our coaching in our football program.
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Corey Robinson, who joins the show. Welcome to the show. This is

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part of Corey Robinson. How you
doing, Brud? Have you guys been

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Welcome back. I know you're I
know you're a football guy. But who

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should have that women's basketball team?
Head coach? You gonna put them on

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the spot, Hey, come to
the chase. I don't think I got

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any names there, but I agree
with you guys. I think it's got

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to be a big splash hire.
I think Michigan State is nice enough,

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but they have great facilities, and
they let the women's team, you know,

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have nice locker rooms and all that. That probably stack up better than

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a lot of the women's teams across
the country. So I think there's a

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lot for them to sell, and
I think they should go big for it

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too, like you guys mentioned.
But yeah, I definitely won't have a

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name necessarily, but but I think
they could go big and it'd make a

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lot of sense, a lot of
a lot of change. You're you're absolutely

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right. I mean, you spent
a lot of time covering the state football

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program, which is a pretty much
a full time gig here when you look

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at all the moving parts that's been
going on in the program, and you

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recently wrote an article about the departure, so called departure of Saide Khalif,

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who was general manager of Michigan State. You know, talk a little bit

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about, you know, what you
see in the program, what you're hearing

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as far as like the high level
recruits that have been here, and you

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kind of wrote that in the article, But we just want to talk to

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you and see get your feel where
the program is right now. Yeah,

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I think in the article, I
it's probably a little critical, but you

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know, it's pretty honest with it. I think there is a lot of

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highs while he was here. The
twenty twenty three class finished twenty second in

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the country, which is the best
recruiting class they've had in a while.

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But there's kind of those lows too, where you see maybe they could have

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done things, handled things a little
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been in the top fifteen I think, had they maybe prioritized a few different

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people differently than they did. But
then I just thought too, I mean,

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I mentioned the turnover in my article
with the off field. I'm not

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talking about the assistance or any of
that. That's always going to happen.

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Guys get promotions, but in the
recruiting department to creative, like all of

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the off field coaches, I thought, there's maybe too much turnover there.

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you know, I talked to while
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and talk to former players, so
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thing. It was there. There
is an issue that a lot of people

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brought up with it. But I
mean, at the end of the day,

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I think he did a fine job
and maybe elevated some of the expectations

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recruiting wise, But I did kind
of feel like maybe they were spinning their

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wheels a little bit at this point
of the process, and maybe getting a

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fresh voice in there and kind of
changing up what the plan is I think

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can be positive for the program.
Because I mean you mentioned, uh,

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it was probably months ago, Jason
when you said what's the identity of the

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program, And I think maybe that's
the best way to sum up what we

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saw the last few months. It's
almost like you didn't know what you were

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covering. You know, sometimes they
were this, sometimes they were meating potatoes,

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and I know on our board we
talked about it today about how they

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haven't been as a social media driven
lately, which that's by design for them,

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but even that, I think they
maybe they pulled back too far and

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there's a happy medium that they got
to find. So when they go in

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that new direction, maybe maybe that
that new person and that new voice will

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kind of find that happy medium that
understands what Michigan State is and where they

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need to be with things. M
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Like the pipeline. I think it
was also where when we lost out on

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it was like what was the strategy
for the next person, or how do

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we how are we not attacking all
of them equally showing them equally loved so

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that when that number one guy does
flip or he does commit elsewhere or sign

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elsewhere, like we still are showing
equal love where. In my opinion,

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if I'm the recruit and you know, I'm waiting to kind of get that

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offer, I feel like there's been
some guys we've missed on them that have

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waited, like talent wise, that
went somewhere else and have played and tremendous,

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have been a competitor, been a
contributor on their teams and Power five

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like good teams have went elsewhere when
they had us as number one. Like

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that's what some of that kind of
gray area question happened where, like what

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is the DNA strategy for us?
Where? You know last ju Lie,

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we were popping. Everyone was loving
us, right, We're everywhere, but

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like point like, I think we
just fizzled out a little bit and it

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caught up to us. Man.
That's just my personal opinion, but I

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feel like that's kind of maybe the
impetus of like what what Yeah, that's

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that's pretty much where it started showing
with me too, is because in June,

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Like June was that that month that
they had all the officials and everybody

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was buzzing, but like, uh, we kind of knew where a lot

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of the recruitments were with some of
them where they were probably running second or

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third with guys that they were thinking
they might have been first with which obviously

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they were not. Uh, which
is fine, you know. He's like,

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it's not that you don't swing for
the fences, But I think you

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could have brought in a lot of
really talented football players during June those June

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visual official visits and had them be
a part of some of that craziness,

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and you probably would have walked away
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Because I think I read used that
and we'll go with it as correct.

409
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:59.160
They've got yeah, yeah, they
got six commits out of thirty six visitors

410
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:06.079
in June's not that's not the percentages
you want to hit on, but I

411
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:11.640
mean I think there's And that's the
thing like Justin and I and Steven Brooks

412
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:18.680
al and True and like to the
our message board or we p message board

413
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.279
at Schalayne like in August, like
people are like, all right, so

414
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.359
we missed out on these guys.
Who's next? And there's like nobody because

415
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.680
they didn't set the board up to
do it. Which give them credit though,

416
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.839
because they really rebounded in that November
December period, getting a quarterback like

417
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.599
Sam Leavett, who's really good and
a lot of good players. So so

418
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.480
you got to give them credit where
it's due. But I feel like there's

419
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.240
a few spots that, especially defensive
back, that they maybe could have hit

420
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:55.680
bigger in the summer months and sure
or shored that up quicker. So my

421
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.119
question for this is, and I'm
you know, I may be. You

422
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.000
know, with the chain of college
football and everything like that, does every

423
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.599
team have a general manager? Because
I know when we played there was a

424
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:12.279
recruiting coordinator. There was no general
manager. You know, doesn't when you

425
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:16.359
had when you went the Bills,
they had one NFL. Yes, But

426
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.400
when I was at Michigan State,
you know there was a recruiting coordinator.

427
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.559
There was not a general manager and
a roster management team and all that stuff.

428
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.799
Does every other team have one of
those? And is there a need

429
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.880
for that? Does that pull the
coaches out of it? The coaches now

430
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.839
used to recruit guys like the coach
Mitchell's. They used to go to your

431
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.640
house Otis and you know you would
you wouldn't say, coach go to my

432
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.359
house, but he was your coach. His big size and his five five

433
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.799
body frame. But you know,
like those coaches do you feel like having

434
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.359
a general manager or a roster management
take away that relationship from that recruiting that

435
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.319
coach that's recruiting the player. No, if they do it right, then

436
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.039
it's just an extension to help you
out. You know, if they can

437
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.720
say, all right, this is
our board, this is who I want,

438
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:14.240
so then you know they can kind
of keep them warm, keep them,

439
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.119
you know, keeping up with them. What do you need? Are

440
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:20.160
we showing you enough love or are
we talking to you enough? All of

441
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.480
that stuff. But I mean,
at the end of the day, you

442
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.519
guys all played, Like the recruiting
guys are all great, but at the

443
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.359
end of the day, you're going
to go play because you had that relationship

444
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.559
with your position coach or you know, you had that relationship with the head

445
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.319
coach. You know that stuff's still
always going to matter. But having a

446
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.480
guy that you know is running that
whole thing and kind of running the point

447
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.599
guard, making sure everybody's on line. You got your vacation or not your

448
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.680
vacations, but your recruiting trips planned
out right. You make sure the you

449
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.440
know, the airfares taking care of
you know, it's basically just having an

450
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.400
assistant make sure every things running smoothly, and then you know, they can

451
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.880
set up what's going to happen in
the the official or unofficial visits the recruiting

452
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.960
guys, and then they can have
a meeting about it before like hey,

453
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.559
this is this is what we're going
to do this weekend and go through it.

454
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.440
So yeah, I think it's definitely
important. I think different programs,

455
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.039
it's more of an SEC model where
it's how Michigan State has it as big

456
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.360
as they do. Uh, you
know, they'll put different names on it,

457
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.360
chief of staff, general manager and
stuff like that, so all of

458
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.599
it's the same. It's an SEC
model, and I definitely think it holds

459
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.440
a lot of value to have that. You just got to have the right

460
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:44.239
people in place. Man, you
know, you look at that. I

461
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.639
mean, that's a good question.
Jay. You the new way that college

462
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.480
football is progressing with you know,
general manager's roster management. You know,

463
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.119
I'm seeing this stuff. You know, guys, you as you know through

464
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.639
the recruiting trail with my sons,
there is a lot of this. This

465
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.039
is not unique to Michigan State at
all, which mel Tucker, He's bringing

466
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.920
that SEC mindset to Michigan State because
you have to do it to be able

467
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.159
to keep up. You know,
Corey talk about you you you guys at

468
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.760
two four seven. I mean,
you do a phenomenal job. There's a

469
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.880
lot of recruiting services You've got rivals
on through all these other places two four

470
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.079
seven, and you specifically, you
guys do a lot of communication with like

471
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.840
recruits, parents, all kinds of
people in order to get the information that

472
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.000
you get, right, Yeah,
Yeah, definitely, it's all about kind

473
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.920
of getting the connections all over the
place because I mean a lot of the

474
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.719
you know, like your son's going
through it at IMG, he's busy,

475
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.599
he's doing school work, he's got
football, he's got I don't know,

476
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.679
you know, So then we hit
up the parent or the coach. You

477
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.360
know, it's easier to easier to
get to them. And I mean to

478
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.320
your talking about a lot of these
kids, you know, like there their

479
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.039
parents are more mature, they're they're
not hiding things from you. Like a

480
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.119
lot of them are just going to
be like, hey, this is how

481
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.320
it is. And if you know, they don't want it to be public,

482
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.239
then they say, hey, don't
make this public, you know,

483
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.480
but they'll still give you the truth. And that's all you really want like

484
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.440
that. So then when I come
on your show or something else, I

485
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:27.000
actually sound like I know what I'm
talking about a little bit. But it's

486
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.400
definitely about relationships all over. And
I mean former players are huge too,

487
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.119
because you know, you guys know
what it looks like. So I could

488
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.480
be I could go send someone's tape
and be like, hey, what do

489
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.840
you guys think about this guy in? Or hey do you want to get

490
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.679
this to the staff and stuff like
that. So it's just all over the

491
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.320
place. I just got to a
network and connect with as many people as

492
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.679
possible to do it. Corey,
I think there's a there's a I have

493
00:36:53.719 --> 00:37:00.119
a major question because, like if
I go back to when we're recruits,

494
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.360
we're looking at our schools, and
then like we have all of the shuffling

495
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:09.760
going on right now, what is
what are the coaches? What's the message

496
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.000
when you're in the living room talking
to a recruit and trying to get them

497
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.840
to decide to select us. You
know, I'm looking at our twenty twenty

498
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.639
four class and guys are making their
decisions. You know, we lose,

499
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.679
we lose out of baby to go
to he's going to Virginia Tech. But

500
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:34.400
like, what are coaches now doing
to discuss with parents and recruits to decide

501
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.719
to come Michigan State with all the
stuff that's been happening. Yeah, I

502
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.000
mean I think now you just kind
of, you know, in the business,

503
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.280
it's always moving forward, positive type
of deal with it. So I

504
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:51.719
mean you're still selling, you know, the education. I think that's more

505
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.280
important and easier to sell. Every
visit, whether it's unofficial or official.

506
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.880
Michigan State will bring in academic advices
to talk to the the prospects and their

507
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.719
parents to kind of, you know, show them, hey, this is

508
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.280
how we do it here. Uh. And then the strength and conditioning that's

509
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.920
a huge thing. So you bring
in a Novak and have him kind of

510
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:15.840
be like, hey, this is
what we do. This is how we

511
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.519
individualize it. Uh yeah, Amber
Einstein with the nutrition. So I mean

512
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.199
it's very detail oriented how they do
it. I mean, obviously it helps,

513
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.440
like if you're Alabama and you can
point to ten first round picks,

514
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.639
the the hardware, hardware, so
like some of it, some of it's

515
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.559
still pretty easy for some of them. But I mean, like that's the

516
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:47.159
thing, honestly, it's building relationships
and trust with them because like if you

517
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.639
go to Michigan State and then you
have an injury, you know, you're

518
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.280
you're really low during that. Are
you going to have coaches that are going

519
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.880
to be there to kind of check
on you, make sure you're doing all

520
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.199
right? Uh? Off the field? You know, stuff like that matter.

521
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.960
So it's just building trust in a
relationship and actually caring for the kids,

522
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:08.840
you know, and not faking it, which I think all of us

523
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.360
can kind of figure out. You
know, college coaches there are really crafty

524
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:16.280
at saying what they want to with
a thing, but you can't really fake

525
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.119
like how you make someone feel.
So just making the kids feel like they're

526
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.920
important is the big the biggest seller, right, So Corey, So when

527
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:35.199
I was I originally committed to Michigan
State under Bobby Williams. Bobby got fired.

528
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.440
Then I opened my recruiting process again, committed under John l My first

529
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.639
year, I had Reggie Mitchell for
a running backs coach. He left went

530
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:51.760
to Illinois. Then I had Ben
Sermon, he left went to the LA

531
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.119
well the Saint Louis Rams at the
time, went to the NFL. Then

532
00:39:54.159 --> 00:40:00.000
I had Dan enos So with that, like it happens, these coaching changes

533
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.119
happened all the time. And then
on top of that, John l gets

534
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.559
fired and then coach D'Antonio comes in. So now look at all those coaching

535
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:14.079
changes that happens all the time,
but now it's you know, more magnified.

536
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.880
It's there's some brighter light shined on
it. So like this year Michigan

537
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:24.800
State lost BT to the to the
NFL, they lost the other back to

538
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.320
Georgia Tech. And now Saheed's you
know, leaveing and stuff like that,

539
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:36.119
and from the outside, you know, people are there's some type of panic.

540
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.119
Like what do you say to spartan
nation who's panicking right now? Like

541
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.159
I think all of it's just like
it's in your own bubble, so when

542
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.000
it happens to someone where else,
you don't notice, you know as much.

543
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.400
But I mean, if you look
at it, Alabama lest their defensive

544
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.039
coordinator, that ole miss right,
But but they're not going to freak out.

545
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.360
They lost their offensive coordinator, but
they're not gonna freak out because they

546
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.599
know that they're just that's just part
of the deal. You lose people,

547
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.880
you bring new people in, you
know, just like players, uh here,

548
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.960
players graduate, players transfer, new
ones come in. It's always constantly

549
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.079
evolving. So uh and the same
the commits, like Michigan State has a

550
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:23.760
de commitment and and you know people
panic, but Georgia lost the highly ranked

551
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.280
running back a couple of days after
Nick marsh had decommitted from Michigan State,

552
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.360
and you know they just handle it
better because it is what it is.

553
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.880
You lose some, you win some
that at the end of the day,

554
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.960
you just got to come out on
top and win. That's with whoever you're

555
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.519
lining up or whoever's coaching you.
Yeah, it seems like every year Alabama

556
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:52.480
has a new o C look look
a well oil machine exactly. Yeah,

557
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.000
you go there, you go there
to get mentorship, you go back out

558
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.320
right. You know, I see
Steve Smith say relax and like what coach

559
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.880
to mind is when you know this
is coming from coach Barnett, but like

560
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.039
when you're when you're always on the
defense mode playing defense, you got to

561
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:15.119
cover the deepest of the ball and
post route streak routes and you're in phase

562
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.920
with that player and the ball's thrown
deep. Coach Barnett will say, you

563
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.519
got to go to cool school.
You can't panic. You got to be

564
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.920
a cool car and collect and see
the ball through past breakup or intercept the

565
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.480
ball, and I feel like we
are going to be okay because really,

566
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.559
at the end of the days,
players play coaches coach, and we just

567
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.719
got to put dubs on the end
result. That's really what it is.

568
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.920
But we got to make sure these
kids are coming in here. One.

569
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.239
I feel like choosing the school because
of the education and the experience, but

570
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.719
on top of it, you're gonna
have a great experience on the field too,

571
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:54.119
and then posts career you're gonna either
go pro in NFL or anywhere else

572
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.000
in the industry. And that's what
it's supposed to be. Stick to the

573
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:04.039
basics, right, So I'm not
panicking because I feel like you got to

574
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.239
pull the weeds where they may.
You got to push forward. What coach

575
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:13.880
do you always said to us?
Do you? Everybody? Everybody? So

576
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.239
my thing is this for all the
people that are that are panicking, all

577
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.920
right, I think a panic elevates
after you have a five and seven season.

578
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.159
If all this changes would have happened
after the year we went to the

579
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.760
Peach Bowl, I think there will
be a lot less panic than there is

580
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.360
right now. I think the sky
people feel the sky falling because we didn't

581
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.199
have the season that we anticipated on
happened last year. So I think that's

582
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.159
why there's a lot of that,
you know, sky's falling mentality going on

583
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.239
right now. But I think you
know, we were right the ship and

584
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.519
at the end of the day,
don't get it. We'll be the first

585
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:54.559
one on this platform saying, you
know, if if we have another season

586
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.559
like we had this year, hey, you know, are we making the

587
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:04.039
right moves? You know? But
for now, stay the course. Yeah.

588
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.079
I think it's always about you know, just like if you're winning,

589
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.519
people are happy. If you're not, you're not. So I think right

590
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.880
now Missigon State's right where they need
to be. They're in spring practice.

591
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.199
You know, this is the chance, like to to get rid of that

592
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.519
bad taste that last year left in
a lot of people's mouths. Like every

593
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.679
question they've had this off season,
every question they'll continue to have until the

594
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:32.800
season gets rolling, can be answered
or fixed with winning, period. So

595
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:39.239
I mean, like, like that's
what it is. Win. So we're

596
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.039
laughing because there's a there was a
there was a comment that just was up

597
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.719
there. He said, well,
I'm in panic mode back up there.

598
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.719
This sky is not falling in big
time the sky, mister bone Man,

599
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.119
you are better than that the sky. We need people that's in the alley

600
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.000
ready to fight and not ready like
sweating and scared running away. We'll be

601
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.000
good, stand, stand firm by. What's up? What's the buzzy hearing

602
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.920
about springball? Yeah? I think
you know, it's all positive, like

603
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:21.440
it always is. But I think
there's a lot of a lot of optimism

604
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.519
because of the twenty two class.
Uh, you know, kids kind of

605
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.639
come before they sign or they sign, you know, everyone's all excited about

606
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.440
them. And then that true freshman
year. You know a lot of freshmen

607
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.079
don't play major, major roles,
but they get their feet wet all of

608
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:43.000
that stuff. But fans will have
a tendency of forgetting about the kids a

609
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.559
little bit. And I think you're
going to see a lot of kids from

610
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:52.119
the twenty twenty two class make some
huge jumps and huge impacts this fall coming

611
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.760
up. So defensive backs, I
think the twenty two class there, people

612
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.000
probably forget how big and how town
and that class was. I think they're

613
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.880
probably going to make up the majority
of the secondary and the too deep and

614
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.519
starting lineup. So that's one spot
you got Kate and Howser at quarterback.

615
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.960
You know, he redshirted last year, got into one game. Just a

616
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.800
physically talented kid that can elevate the
ceiling. It's just a matter of is

617
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.840
he ready mentally and to kind of
do the job. You know what we've

618
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.920
heard out of it, which is
not a ton because they they don't try

619
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.840
to talk to us as much as
they can. But he's had a really

620
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:39.480
strong spring camp so far and he's
probably exceeded where he needed to be.

621
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.760
But it's one weekend and he's got
to keep stacking the practices in weeks.

622
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:58.000
But then I think too getting the
running back Nathan Carter, yes did say

623
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:07.719
that his games then got you,
but but yeah, get the running game

624
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:13.599
back. I think Malik Carr and
key On Coleman, they mentioned today them

625
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.760
not doing basketball this year allowed them
to really get winter conditioning and focus in

626
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.599
on football. So I think those
are two guys that you know are athletic,

627
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.239
uh mismatch problems. Getting them to
be completely in the entire year on

628
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.559
football is going to pay off for
both of those guys, I think,

629
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.320
which pays off for Michigan State.
And then defensively, I mean like last

630
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:43.400
year. I don't know that I've
seen a team that had so many like

631
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.599
key injuries from the first string,
second string, third string, and the

632
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.360
defensive line. Uh, you know, the beginning first couple of games,

633
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:57.159
you lost your leaders, ave your
Henderson and Darius Snow you know. So

634
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.840
it's just so much where now you're
getting a lot of good football players back

635
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.199
that were out with injuries or suspensions, and then you're bringing in, uh,

636
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.840
some really good transfer pieces on the
defensive line that will come in right

637
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:15.119
away. Jacobi WindMan and Breule coming
back for another year is going to help

638
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.119
the linebacker corps a ton, I
think. So. I mean, it's

639
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:24.480
just that and that and everybody coming
into this year pissed off because they they

640
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.719
didn't do what they needed to do
last year. You drew, you you

641
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:34.920
hit a really good point there.
And to arch point, there is a

642
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.840
very good point that Art just put
put down here in the comments section there

643
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.320
last year being a thirty way year
with all the injuries and suspensions and everything

644
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.119
like that. I totally agree with
that one hundred percent. But Corey,

645
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.960
you drew, You drew a good
point there with Malik and Kean not playing

646
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.239
basketball and that's something. At the
IHOP signing in Brighton, you know,

647
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.440
talk had an opportunity to talk to
Kean about and you know, he's he

648
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.920
was excited about the fact that he
gets an entire off season with his team.

649
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.559
He was very excited. He was
very vocal about it. You know,

650
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.920
he's like, don't get him wrong, he loves basketball, but he

651
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:19.079
loves football. He bleeds football.
And the fact that he gets the opportunity

652
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.639
to work out with his with his
brother, with his brothers, his dogs,

653
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.199
that he's going to be out there
in September on the field with in

654
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.960
Spartan Stadium and build and grow that
chemistry with them those off season workouts.

655
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.599
The opportunity to get bigger, stronger, faster. Football strength is different than

656
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.760
basketball strength, and he gets to
do that all off season, go in

657
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.840
and have an entire great spring ball. Could think about it now, if

658
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.800
he would have played basketball, he
would just be getting to springball now,

659
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.480
and then there will be that time
of acclamation. He's gonna have to put

660
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.880
that weight back on, that football
weight back on. He's gonna have to,

661
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:59.039
you know, get that football agility
because it's different than basketball agility.

662
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.039
The route run, the chemistry with
the quarterback and everything like that. He

663
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:08.320
has this entire offseason to do that, and I'm telling you watch out next

664
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:14.079
year for number zero on that field. Yes, the same thing I did

665
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:19.400
with Malite Car. I ran into
him at a camp because Malie Carr is

666
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.400
really great at supporting the next generation
of like high school kids coming up and

667
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:28.840
all of that. You know,
you go to a camp in Detroit area,

668
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:34.360
Malite Cars just there but like I
mean, he's just there supporting,

669
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.519
whether it's his brother there, someone
else. You know, he's just into

670
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.599
giving back to the younger generation.
But I had bumped into him on Ford

671
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.400
field and I told him the same
thing. I said, I know you

672
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:50.800
like playing basketball and it's fun to
play both of them, but this gives

673
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:55.239
you an opportunity to really focus in
on this and because this is what your

674
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.760
career, what you want your career
to be ultimately, so so I mean,

675
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:02.519
just go there, grind it out
and all that. So I think

676
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.079
you heard today Jay Johnson, I
believe, at the press conference saying that

677
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.119
both of those guys have really stepped
up and it's benefited them to be around.

678
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:17.880
So yeah, it's definitely excited to
see both of those guys. My

679
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.440
breakout guy is going to be ty
Tyrrell Henry. I'm calling it now.

680
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:28.559
We just talked. We just we
just did, like swear to God,

681
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.559
we did because we we were looking
at like that. The guy has quietly

682
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.760
been working his tail off to Roseville
Rooseville Mission, but he also has been

683
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:44.880
really active in supporting other student athletes. Every sport there's that crew like the

684
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:50.199
Diletatums of the world and in Tyrol. But I believe like we need a

685
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:54.880
solid guy like Tyrol to break through
breakout. So what do you what is

686
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.119
considered him bringing breakout? What are
you hearing? What are you seeing?

687
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.480
Yeah, he's gotten He's added a
lot of muscle for him. You know

688
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.559
when everybody that saw him the last
few years, like he's always been kind

689
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:08.239
of a skinnier kid, where now
he's putting the weight on. But he's

690
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:13.719
always been an explosive athlete. And
I know Alan true. He does the

691
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:19.400
Midwest recruiting and kind of helps with
the ratings with those guys. He's been

692
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.239
saying like he knew he should have
put him up higher, and he's like,

693
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.239
I know it's gonna bite me.
I know it's gonna bite me,

694
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.960
and he saw him last year he
was the leading kick returner, showed a

695
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.039
lot of explosion and speed out of
him, kind of quick twitch change of

696
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.000
direction. So now I think now
you can slot him into that slot role

697
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:45.360
with Jayden Reid leaving, have Keyan
outside, Trey Moseley outside, some of

698
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.159
the bigger guys, and just let
him work underneath. So yeah, Like,

699
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.760
I've always been a huge Tyrrel Henry
fan, and now I think you're

700
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.639
starting to see all of that work
and all of the just doing the right

701
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.360
things for other people. You know, eventually that stuff pays off and to

702
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.360
yourself. So I think I think
he's my breakout player on offense of the

703
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:13.960
people that maybe you know obviously were
a nose Kean Malik and Trey and some

704
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.559
of those other guys. But he's
the guy that's that maybe under the radar

705
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.840
that we can start putting on the
radar and put some pressure on them.

706
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.239
Yeah, so can you tell us
a little bit more about uh Nate Carter?

707
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:38.000
Please do tell Let me just say
this, like, and don't get

708
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.760
me wrong, I know I went
ahead of myself and you guys will never

709
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.239
let me live this down. I
coined the Killer Bees and you know all

710
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:55.599
that stuff. But I'm telling you, Nate Carter to a lower degree reminds

711
00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:00.679
me of the ball Ringer. That's
all I'm gonna say. Why do you

712
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.119
guys say lower lower? Get a
man as flowers? Man? You know

713
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.239
you don't time in Michigan State running
back, he's a top two of all

714
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.960
time. So like, if if
I putting a Carter on that same level,

715
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:19.039
it means it's Lorenzo then, you
know, and Javan he can't do

716
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:21.960
that. So I think he's he's
he's uh, he's gonna be kind of

717
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.920
like a Javan Ringer. I feel. Yeah, he's just a strong guy

718
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.280
too. Like I don't know if
you guys have bumped into him at the

719
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.960
facilities or anything yet, but yeah, he looks at the part like so

720
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:37.280
like Javan did to where he's got
muscles popping out of muscles and yeah,

721
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:43.920
yeah, strong dude. I mean
he had coming out of shower in the

722
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:52.719
mirror, looks just like not getting
him to kind of get those He's gonna

723
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.159
get the tough yards, but then
he's going to be able to make break

724
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:01.320
the tackle. Yeah, same thing. Like uh, the for the Lions

725
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.519
fan since I can finally be on
their bandwagon. Like everybody loves Jamal Williams

726
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.159
and he's good good and he's a
nice guy. But David Montgomery is going

727
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.800
to take them to another level because
he breaks tackles and he's gonna get more

728
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:22.840
than what the top offensive line is
blocking. Yeah, now here's what does

729
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:30.639
does Nate have that home run speed
that we all have been very like,

730
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:37.599
I guess we've been spoiled, like
we we absolutely have to like listen,

731
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.360
our guy K nine was the truth. That is something that is like Domino

732
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:46.079
ruff. He is a rare breed
and we cannot keep putting that tag on

733
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:51.960
our guys like and trying to find
that versus like can he do what he

734
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.719
does best is put that speed to
test and like hit a home run?

735
00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:02.440
Does he have that capability? Yes? Yeah, yeah, he twitched answers.

736
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.400
The question for you don't worry about
this is jay U show, You're

737
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.679
just here for the ride. I
think he's quicker than fast. I guess

738
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.840
if that makes sense, like like
on one step he's got the balls hands

739
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:21.079
that first step or two like he's
he's lightning fast, Like he might not

740
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.679
have the top end speed of like
a K nine, But he's fast enough

741
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.719
to get out to the edge and
do all of that and get it.

742
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:31.599
And I think too part of like
K nine, which is great and obviously

743
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.880
he runs twenty two miles per hour, but that year, like, if

744
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.280
you look bad at at all those
highlights, them wide receivers were set in

745
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.800
blocks at the second and third levels
to make it the forty plus yards to

746
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.920
the house. So so if Courtney
Hawkins keeps his wide receivers on there,

747
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.360
you know, and lets him not
have to slow down or lose speed,

748
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.480
then there's no reason he can't take
a big, big runs, you know,

749
00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.760
and take him to the house.
So but yeah, definitely, I'd

750
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.360
say is quicker than overall fast though, but he's definitely fast enough. I

751
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:09.079
think he's faster than all the backs
on the roster right now. This is

752
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.960
this is why we like Corey.
We love That's why we love having Corey

753
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:20.719
Robinson. He can You're the only
he's the only like writers recruiting got that

754
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.480
like actually knows the game in my
opinion, because you study it, you

755
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:31.760
see things through the lens of a
player, which is unique most guys.

756
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.440
You know, a lot of these
guys I see a lot of these recruiting

757
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.199
writers and they're not they're not there. But you're young, you know,

758
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:44.960
well, we're hey, God bless
you, Corey asking you, asking you

759
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:52.079
about Corey going back to virus stars, give me five stars me you everybody.

760
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.480
Corey doesn't do that. Yeah,
I know he does. I know

761
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.360
he does. Mother said, but
Ellen, Ellen knows that I don't give

762
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.079
stars. I tried to have take
away stars from guys that he's giving them

763
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:13.599
rightfully. So in most cases,
you know, I mean, so it's

764
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.280
good for a healthy debate. Defensive
backs you talked about, like those being

765
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.280
the guys that are going to for
the class of twenty two that will turn

766
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:27.840
some heads who give us some names. There. Malik Spencer, he's going

767
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.119
to be a stud. He's out
of Georgia. Yeah, like he's going

768
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.199
to be a really good safety.
I think you'll probably see him. I

769
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:42.400
mean, he could play in the
Nickel spot, but I think with Xavier

770
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:49.320
Henderson and Kean not Kean Brooks leaving, with him leaving, I think there's

771
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.679
a big need for him to drop
there. I've seen him. He looks

772
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.800
like he's slimmed down a little bit, So I think we might see him

773
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.719
at one of the deep safety positions
alot along with Jaden Mangham, who started

774
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:07.119
as a true freshman last year.
I think those might be two guys that

775
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:13.679
you would look for at the deep
safety spots. The nickel I think Malcolm

776
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.599
Jones, he played three or four
games last year somewhere in there where he

777
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:22.840
kept his red shirt. He got
caught up in the tunnel thing. I

778
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.480
think he's a really good player.
I think he was the guy in the

779
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.519
twenty two class that was a lot
better and he came in late, kind

780
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:34.920
of no fanfare, so I don't
think he's really gotten the attention that he's

781
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.119
going to deserve as a player.
I think you could put him at a

782
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:42.119
corner, you could put him at
deep safety. I think Nichols probably the

783
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.639
best spot for him. Again,
you know Lee County, Georgia. They

784
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:50.239
play really good football down there.
He was kind of the leader for that

785
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.559
team, which has a lot of
success down there. I think he's a

786
00:59:53.599 --> 01:00:00.159
guy that's going to challenge to start
in the nickel spot. I think in

787
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.599
her back Caleb Coley, another kid
from Georgia. He played three games last

788
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.960
year keeping his red shirt on.
He had some injuries otherwise I think he

789
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:13.440
wouldn't have red shirted last year.
He look at him now, he's put

790
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:17.639
on a lot of good muscle mass, and I think he's gonna take one

791
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:22.000
of the starting corner jobs if I
was the guest. I mean, it's

792
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.480
all projections at this point, but
I mean that's four guys in the twenty

793
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.800
two class alone that I can see
starting out of the five positions, along

794
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.719
with you know, Chuck Brantley,
the twenty twenty one corner out of Florida,

795
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.760
so I mean, and then even
Aide Willie out of IMG. He

796
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:44.280
played ten or eleven games last year, mostly special teams, but I mean

797
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:49.599
that's a pretty good hit rate to
get five defensive backs and on the field

798
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.079
multiple games. And Dylan Tatum,
Sorry, I can't believe I forgot him.

799
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.440
You know, he can play corner, he can play safety. I

800
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.880
would guess. Like Penn State game, he moved a corner. That was

801
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:06.199
his first time there, and he
played really well, I thought against the

802
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.239
good Penn State team on the road. So I think he's also going to

803
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:13.760
factor in, Like you know,
maybe he battles with Caleb Coley and Chuck

804
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.880
Brantley for starting, but he's still
going to be in that rotation and play

805
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:22.320
where I think he played double digit
games last year too, So the six

806
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.480
guys that played in the twenty two
class at dB. So there's like an

807
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.800
unbelievable hit rate early and I think
they're really going to take the next steps.

808
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:34.760
Yeah, And I love that with
that corner there. I love the

809
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:38.679
tandem coaches there. The new coach
coming in from Buffalo, not at my

810
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.480
Homer or anything, but I thought
he did a very good job with the

811
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.079
Bills corners there. You know,
with the corners he was a safetiest coach.

812
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.559
No, no, no, I'm
saying, but he's gonna be coach

813
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.880
Hb's gonna be coaching the safeties and
he's gonna be coaching the corners here.

814
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:57.360
Yeah, but he did a great
job there with Micah Hyde and Jordon Couryer

815
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.599
in Buffalo there, the two one
of the two best tandums in the NFL

816
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:06.559
coming in there and pairing him and
coach Barnett together. I think the surprise

817
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.280
this year that you know, in
the past two years we've been pulling our

818
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:14.079
hair out about our secondary I think
this year they're gonna surprise a lot of

819
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.280
people with those two coaching those guys
back there. Yeah, the way the

820
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:22.880
Bill's the bills guys turnovers, Like
yeah, that's that's what we We have

821
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.559
to get turnovers, and we need
to convert those turnovers more so let's score

822
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.400
on defense and not leave it up
to the offense. But I think to

823
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:37.480
the point of to Corey's point,
like to have a steep like two depth

824
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:43.920
chart in secondary that can go out
with like when guys run out, you

825
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.000
know, the back of the day, guys right like, oh man,

826
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:52.199
this guy like pick on him.
Oh my god, They're going right to

827
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.239
him like that where the guys run
off. Now it's like, no,

828
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.280
this guys held his own. We
know he's he's proven that he belongs there

829
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.039
on the field, Like we're good. But I think that's where you've got

830
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:06.920
to make sure strong teams know that
when somebody goes down, they're not losing

831
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:08.800
a step. And I think that's
what we're building, which I'm excited about.

832
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:13.719
We got some young guys's hungary that, like you said Corey before,

833
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:19.280
they are very upset and how last
year turned out. And you never want

834
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.519
to be the position group that is
the weakest on the team. And also

835
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.400
gives up those those those first downs
in those long thirty longs and getting scored

836
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.199
on, and like, we gotta
will turn it around. I'm looking forward

837
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:35.960
to it, no doubt about it. I mean, you know, look,

838
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.920
you know we talk about a lot
of players here. I mean you,

839
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.480
I mean you must live and breathe
those things for real. I mean,

840
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.239
we're just throwing things at you.
You just spit out all these names.

841
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:52.679
Me brought. Caleb Cooley is the
guy, you know. Yeah,

842
01:03:52.880 --> 01:04:00.000
I got a call from somebody wanted
to interview because of my son official in

843
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.199
Miami, and he just went on
and on about Caleb Cooley and how they

844
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.400
should have had him and they should
have you know, like, I'm so

845
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:12.079
happy you guys got him, but
you could tell that it wasn't real that

846
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.000
he wasn't happy that we got him. But I was like, you know,

847
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:18.239
I don't really know a lot about
Caleb Cooley, and you know,

848
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.800
you said he was probably gonna vy
for a starting position, but you know,

849
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:29.360
thinking about mel Tucker and like what
he's doing with this program, Like

850
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:34.599
and you talk about the general manager
position and the recruiting as it is,

851
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:40.000
what does Michigan State need to do
overall in your opinion, because you are

852
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:45.639
seeing this thing from a three hundred
and sixty degree view as a recruiting guy,

853
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.159
right, and technically a recruiting guy, what does mississ State need to

854
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:57.119
do to really improve theirselves as a
as a program in general? Just overall,

855
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.760
I think. I mean, if
I was making the call, if

856
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.039
it is mel Tucker, you know, this is just my opinion. He's

857
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:11.440
probably got a bigger rollodets than me. But whether you call it the GM

858
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:16.199
or the chief of staff, I
would promote Darien Harris to that. He's

859
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:21.599
probably one of the smartest people I've
ever ran into in football. He's a

860
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:26.800
great communicator, which I think is
key for that role, and he does

861
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:30.960
things the right way because he cares
about people like he you know, if

862
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.320
it doesn't work at Michigan State or
it doesn't work here, like, he's

863
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:40.079
one of those people that just genuinely
wants to see people succeed. So like

864
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.039
that's who I would put to run
the department. And then you could go

865
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:47.480
get your your player personnel guy,
you know, to handle more of the

866
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.280
day to day recruiting and the boards
and stuff. But if I was going

867
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:58.079
to find someone to kind of be
like that top guy to oversee that department,

868
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.960
to make sure that everybody and underneath
him as being taken care properly.

869
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.960
They got everything they need, you
know, and that stuff is being done

870
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:11.159
the right way. Like he would
be who I would I would tap for

871
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.320
the job to kind of oversee it
all. I say, I agree with

872
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.239
you one hundred percent, Corey,
I think And I said this to the

873
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:23.039
guys before we jumped down the air
here, you know, for some reason

874
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.440
just hit me. I was like, Wow, I think I'm seeing you

875
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:29.400
know, what's happening here. I
think Darien, you know, is and

876
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.880
should be that next guy in that
in that line there. And I think

877
01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:39.719
replacing Darien should be Javon Ringer,
you know, in that role, killing

878
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:45.199
that role, coming back there because
two different things. It shows that Darien

879
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.400
is there, He's played at Michigan
State, he stayed at Michigan State after

880
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.639
he was done, and he's you
know, their recruiting Javon Ringer, one

881
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.639
of the best running backs to ever
come out of Michigan State. He's back

882
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.440
in town, want to be there
as a recruit. What does that tell

883
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.960
you if these guys who played there
in the program and did all that stuff,

884
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.960
are coming back and staying with the
program. I need to be a

885
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.719
part of that program because it's something
special. So I think that's why Darren

886
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.880
should be in that GM role and
Javon Rangers slide into his role there because

887
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.599
I think it's gonna build that culture, is gonna build that Spartan dog is

888
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:28.800
gonna build that when guys come in, they're gonna be able to have guys

889
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:34.440
who walked that campus as students,
guys who walked that campus as student athletes,

890
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.440
Guys who went in those locker rooms, who ran out of that tunnel

891
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:42.199
played knew the criticism that the fans
were gonna give, knew the cheers and

892
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.800
appraises that the fans were gonna give, and they will be able to relay

893
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:50.159
a great message down to those kids. Well, let's let's not forget.

894
01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:57.599
I mean Javon's body of work post
career, like NFL drafted running back had

895
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.320
some success, also has put from
working where he came back. It was

896
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.000
in the recruiting department for Michigan State
for the year and have two he goes

897
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:11.760
out Collins. Yeah yeah, but
then you got like you hats he was

898
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:15.479
the he was the same position,
you know, player development personnel with Toledo

899
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:21.039
and has success and consistency. So
one obviously that's my that's my boy.

900
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:26.399
One of them came in as you
know two thousand and five class. But

901
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.279
for sure, I think this is
that one right move where you got to

902
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.640
make it, because if you don't
make it and you have continuity in those

903
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:36.680
those positions, it trickles down to
where to your point, you know,

904
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:41.720
the kids aren't coming in the flocking
to the culture because it's really the culture

905
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:44.880
of the culture that brings it.
You know, I'm looking forward to this

906
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.600
decision. What's going to happen,
and it's got to happen soon, hopefully

907
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:53.000
before we get out of a spring
spring ball. Yeah, and that's what

908
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:56.600
we talked about too. With the
previous staff. They did a lot of

909
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.880
good things, but we never it's
almost like they didn't fully understand the identity

910
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.439
of the university in the program.
And that's no fault to them. You

911
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:09.319
know, they didn't run through the
tunnels Lake Jay, who said so,

912
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:14.800
I mean, I think having somebody
that understands to a t what this is,

913
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.039
what it's supposed to look like,
and how it needs to be would

914
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:24.439
be a really smart higher and would
probably pay huge dividends, not just recruiting,

915
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.920
but you know, just the overall
culture as a whole, just because

916
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:31.439
they understand it. Corey, I'm
going to ask you this before we let

917
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:36.159
you go, because I mean,
you're given us a son of insight as

918
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:41.600
you always do. You have connections
that you know, we can you know,

919
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:47.119
the average person can only dream of
having. What are are we?

920
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:54.479
What is the word on the street
about with with recruits about our n I

921
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:58.479
L let's just just put it out
there. What does the recruits say?

922
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.960
What are the parents saying about Michigan
State? And how do we measure up

923
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:10.680
from a nil standpoint? Yeah,
I mean I don't think Michigan State's killing

924
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.199
it at the nil by any stretch. I mean, I think there's probably

925
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.399
a happy medium that they got to
find where you don't have to necessarily go

926
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.880
Miami, Texas A and M.
But I mean that's just how where the

927
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:26.960
game's at right now, where I
think you you need to be able to

928
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:31.199
drum up that support to you know, have the guys at least get like

929
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:35.079
a market value, you know,
whether it's you know, you don't want

930
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:41.119
to overpay guys and get the crazy
numbers that some schools will do. But

931
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.399
I mean it's i'd say it's still
probably falling short of where it needs to

932
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.880
be, just to to you know, just where it needs to be,

933
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:55.359
like without doing crazy contracts. There
are crazy deals you know for the kids,

934
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.720
you know, because they bring in
a ton of money here, football,

935
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.119
bysketball, all of that just down
the down the line. So yeah,

936
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:09.479
I think I think if Michigan State
next step, besides obviously winning and

937
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:14.319
getting the right people in, is
getting all of the the financial support to

938
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:18.840
kind of row row the boat together
and realize that, hey, if we

939
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.039
want this to go here, you
know, we got to hit this number

940
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:28.520
whatever, you know, whatever number
they're comfortable with, whether it's say it's

941
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.600
twelve million or ten million, eight
million, you know somewhere. I think

942
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:39.439
in that eight to twelve million range
allows Michigan State to recruit with anybody honestly

943
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.479
like, so, what what's your
number that you can make it work?

944
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:47.520
And you know, you just got
to trust trust the process that you know,

945
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.600
it's new. And I think that
makes a lot of people scared of

946
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.560
like, oh, where's my money
going, because you know, they just

947
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.560
got to trust it. And we're
down south. Those guys have had their

948
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.520
own nil go in for for a
long time, so they're just used to

949
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:09.680
it already. So it's just just
about you know, working together and understanding

950
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:14.079
that this is how it's got to
be and it's going to be done right.

951
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:19.680
We just need the support. Interesting, I mean, that's that's something

952
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:25.479
man. You know, so you
said that there's some work to be done.

953
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.359
You said eight to what did you
what was that number? Eight to

954
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:33.359
ten million or eight ten, eight
twelve whatever whatever everybody's comfortable throwing in.

955
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:38.159
I mean, like, is that
over? Is that over the course of

956
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:43.199
five four years? Are you talking
per year? If you could, if

957
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.840
you could get that out a year, like you would be competing with basically

958
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.560
anybody in the country outside of the
crazy ones. You know, Like you

959
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:56.640
got some people giving high school kids
eight million, ten billion dollars supposedly to

960
01:12:56.680 --> 01:12:59.760
play quarterback, and that's too much. Like that's just stupid to me,

961
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.640
Like because you look at the NFL
draft coming up, and there's a miss

962
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:06.960
right there, and that's a whole
lot easier to project an NFL guy than

963
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:12.319
a college kid because there's just so
many variables coming out of high school.

964
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.439
So you gotta be smart with it. But you also got to, you

965
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:20.359
know, keep up with what's happening. And maybe maybe you let the eight

966
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:25.680
million dollar quarterback go. But if
you can go get the the five hundred,

967
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.720
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars quarterback, then you're probably walking away with

968
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:36.800
a pretty good player. It's long
gone of the days of winning without winning

969
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:42.279
the right way. But obviously now
that's wait wait wait, wait, wait,

970
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:46.479
the right way, recruiting the right
way. You know, it's long

971
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:51.960
gone. It's long gone. Yea, yeah, Like I mean, I

972
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:57.720
think it's easier when you have championships, but I mean at the same point,

973
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.880
you know that you don't win a
championship and get a Dodge charger at

974
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:10.119
Alabama. You just get the Dodge
charger. You got that, You got

975
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:16.199
that before you ever played a game
in Alabama. That's not true. You

976
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:23.000
can ride the streets and this country
they care free, care free. I

977
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:30.640
have to look over your shoulder for
compliance, Corey. I mean, this

978
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.960
is this is great. You know, like you know, I'm not going

979
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:38.199
to get into because because the word
street does Alabama doesn't lead with money.

980
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:44.720
That's the word on the Street.
You think so is money to me?

981
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:53.199
Right, they have money, it's
more so I think you more so than

982
01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:56.239
Michigan State. Is that what you
is? That? Is that what you're

983
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.399
saying before we let you go?
You know, is that what you're saying?

984
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:02.880
Yeah, easily. I mean obviously
they you get the kids that you

985
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:09.800
know, they just want to win
blah blah blah. But you know what

986
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.239
you can win if you go to
that super team that they're paying, that's

987
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.920
paying on the road to something like
they they've always had to do it to

988
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:20.439
keep up. Like I think that's
We've had private talks about Saban in the

989
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:25.720
past, and not just money wise, just you know, he's always evolved

990
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:29.840
and that's why he's so good.
Like he realized that the game turned into

991
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.760
a passing game or a speed game
on defense, so you weren't getting the

992
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:38.720
same quarterbacks or wide receivers, or
you weren't getting the same linebackers. So

993
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:42.560
it's just always about evolving and and
I l is the next step of the

994
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:48.279
evolution right now where we're at so
unbelievable, Hey, Corey, and this

995
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:53.000
has been great, This is awesome, you know, I mean, I

996
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.039
don't know what else to ask.
I mean, there's a lot of things

997
01:15:55.079 --> 01:16:00.520
I can ask you, but I
think we're struggling for time. I've got

998
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.199
son in my eyes. I don't
know. This is ridiculous, and I

999
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:09.800
know it was eight pm on the
East coast. See sunlight. Is that

1000
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.399
we're blessed. We're trying to be
bless because we're talking about football. Thank

1001
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.159
you, Corey, everything you've done. Man, this is awesome. He

1002
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:26.560
where's the cat at the cat?
No cat? No cat? Not this

1003
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:39.119
time? She learned in front of
that computer. The cat's name. That

1004
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:46.279
one's Lulu. She's the one that
likes the camera. She learned. Apparently

1005
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.520
this time, give at a treat
from us, from us. This is

1006
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:56.479
fine. Thank you Corey for joining
the show man. It has been awesome,

1007
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.399
and look forward to have you back
on Real Zoom because you've got a

1008
01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:04.960
lot to talk about. I'm sure
all right for having me on. Guys,

1009
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:10.000
it's anytime. Just put me up
and we do it, Yes,

1010
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:15.800
sir, Corey Robinson two four seven
sports. I mean, I mean,

1011
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:21.680
come on, guys, like this
is awesome. Who hey, you sweating

1012
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:27.760
with that son? Listen, there's
a there's a lot to unpack there.

1013
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.960
We're not going to unpack at all. We want, you know, Spartan

1014
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.319
fans to see, you know,
this is what's going on in the program,

1015
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:38.199
and I like it. What do
you guys think? Look that was

1016
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:45.000
Look I learned more in that session
today than I have the months leading up

1017
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:50.640
to it. I think I think
the point of just the people, the

1018
01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:58.359
players that aren't being talked about.
That gives me obviously more confidence that our

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01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:02.039
young guys have been in that they've
been in the lab working, and they're

1020
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.560
working not to get to glorify you
know, social standpoint right now, they're

1021
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:11.359
working because they got to put a
part of product out there. And I

1022
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:15.640
think we had that same vengeance when
coach d came and took over a John

1023
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:19.960
L. Smith's style team is that
we got to get to work, man,

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01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:24.119
We gotta we gotta go bowl gaming
Like that was the next goal.

1025
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.640
Is like we got to go to
bowl game. And we can't. We

1026
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:30.399
can't. We can't be sitting at
home and Mama, mam and them crib

1027
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:35.000
like mam and like I'm not trying
to open these presents with my family,

1028
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:38.800
Like right, you know, I
got to be out there and you know,

1029
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:45.000
seeing our coaches, coaches kids open
and their presence at dinner time,

1030
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:50.199
but very confident, like we are
better than what we kind of portraying ourselves,

1031
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:54.680
like we're in a better spot than
what we thought we were. But

1032
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:58.399
like those guys, sounds like the
guys are grinding, they're working, which

1033
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:05.159
is great news. Yeah, I
mean go ahead, yeah before we you

1034
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.720
know, go to the next thing
there, you know, was brought here.

1035
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:12.800
We've had a ton of people commenting
in the chat today. It has

1036
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:17.000
been a spicy chat today. I
really appreciate everyone for taking the time,

1037
01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:20.720
you know, jumping on. I
love the fact that this is a this

1038
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:28.119
is Sparta community. Everyone comes on
Tuesday and Thursday nights, come together check

1039
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.720
in on each other. I love
it. I love all the you know,

1040
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:35.079
from people who panicking the sky's falling
on them. Other people are saying,

1041
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:40.399
relax and I love it. That's
what about. That's why we do

1042
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:44.800
this, and so we can all
come together and we can cry about our

1043
01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:46.720
team, we can laugh about our
team. We can you know, put

1044
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:49.880
our team up to the pedestal.
It's family here. We're the only ones

1045
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:53.680
that can make fun of family with
someone else from the outside make fun of

1046
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.079
our family. We all fighting,
but in here we can do that.

1047
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:02.560
Appreciate everybody. Thank you for that, Juan. That is the next segment.

1048
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:05.680
That was it. I mean,
we re appreciate you. We appreciate

1049
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:11.720
the viewers. You know. We
want to talk about what's coming up from

1050
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.560
Michigan State. We're gonna give you
a little teaser Michigan State Spring game announcement.

1051
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.800
It's going to be a field House
event. Talk about it. Otis

1052
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.840
Oh, put me on a spot. I get it, talking about it.

1053
01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:33.399
The sun is on my face.
Yeah, I'm burning up over Yes,

1054
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:40.760
field House event, host game Spring
Game tailgate. This is Spartan ms

1055
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:46.119
U play fly Sports will be hosting
an event for obviously the family and the

1056
01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:51.119
friends of This is Sparta and we're
going to have you know, three players

1057
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:56.680
that are going to make an appearance
and have a kind of a live conversation

1058
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.159
with us on on live and discuss
what went through ring game and talk about

1059
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:05.000
the game. And it's gonna be
a great event. So you'll stay tuned

1060
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:09.960
looking at look out for the details
as we'll go on social. But also

1061
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:15.640
we'll be plugging some more promotions on
this show on Thursday leading into next week

1062
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.760
and then obviously Spring Game week,
so stay tuned. We're looking forward to

1063
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:24.479
it. Fieldhouse, East Lansing,
Downtown, East Lansing, Thursday, April

1064
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:30.039
thirteenth and April fifteenth Market calendars,
but we will be sitting out some information

1065
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.359
so you can subscribe, but you
also can sign up and get a spot

1066
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:35.479
because they're gonna be out there.
The block is gonna be hot, be

1067
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:44.279
ready hot hot, super hot.
You're doing you know, I'm trying to

1068
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.399
duck this up, you know.
He Hey, yeah, hot out here.

1069
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:51.760
We're all jealous over here. Straight. We wish we could get No,

1070
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.399
no, no, don't be jealous
because it ain't that hot. It

1071
01:21:55.479 --> 01:22:00.079
feels like Michigan right here. I
feel I'm still connected to you guys,

1072
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:01.840
even though i may be a little
bit far away. But I'll be there

1073
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:05.520
on the thirteenth and the fifteenth.
Don't worry about that. I'm coming home

1074
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:10.399
and we're gonna have a good time. And you know, God, listen,

1075
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.920
you's got some fire pizza by the
way. That's some fire pizza.

1076
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.680
That's low key. That's good,
cool, good food too. They do.

1077
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:21.479
Look, Harry says, come hang
out at the bus. Otis just

1078
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:27.000
otis now us just otis. Harry
can we get some Look I don't think

1079
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:32.960
she said. Look, Rix,
he has a personal deal. He has

1080
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:40.279
a personal deal, Rix, Rix
is jus that's his Airbnb for the weekend.

1081
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.159
Yeah, he's gonna be at Rix
and I have and wherever the bourbon's

1082
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.359
being poured. But it's okay because
we love Ju and we also love Otis.

1083
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:54.800
For both of you guys and myself, this is spared to have a

1084
01:22:54.800 --> 01:23:09.960
good night, God bless and go
great go can't do that still. This

1085
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:14.680
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1086
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:18.640
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1087
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:26.000
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1088
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:30.520
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1089
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:35.159
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1090
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:40.800
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1091
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:45.119
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01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:48.199
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