WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:07.719 You know, I'm fascinated by the lost forgotten land known as Moo or Le 2 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:14.439 Maria, And this week we are bringing back a archival presentation by author George 3 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:20.480 Schwimmer in his book Moo The First Great Civilization. This is a look at 4 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:26.519 how it was developed, the people there, what their lifestyle was like, 5 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.679 and we're talking over one hundred thousand years ago, and a lot of other 6 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:38.159 amazing evidence for the migration from this ancient place to the Americas. This is 7 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:46.159 a native tradition that is discussed because it is obviously oral tradition and not from 8 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:53.039 any documents that we know of today. The First Great Civilization known as MoU. 9 00:00:54.439 --> 00:01:34.159 All this and more today on Earth Ancients Special Edition The Archives for Wednesday, 10 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:41.280 August twenty three, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients Special Edition 11 00:01:41.879 --> 00:02:16.719 The Archives. I'm your host, Cliff Donning. Hey, how are you? 12 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:23.000 And welcome to Earth Ancients Special Edition The Archives. And yeah, we 13 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:31.919 went in and we pulled a goodie from July fourth, twenty fifteen, Moo 14 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:38.120 the First Great Civilization, and the author at that time was George Schwimmer. 15 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:43.000 He was coming to us from the United States, and I was fascinated with 16 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:49.240 I continue to be fascinated with Moo because there is a great deal of native 17 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:54.360 tradition around this continent in the Pacific. If you remember, we have had 18 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:00.599 Clifford Mahoodi, the Zuni Elder, on the program a number of different times 19 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:08.560 describing the Great Trek from the Great Island of MoU otherwise known as Lemuria, 20 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:19.439 into northern Mexico and then eventually arriving into New Mexico, Arizona, California, 21 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:27.360 southwestern United States. And this is approximately twenty eight thousand years ago, and 22 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:32.240 of course we don't have any evidence in terms of dating. We have a 23 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:38.360 great deal of oral traditions around it, which is very very important. We 24 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.280 have, according to Clifford, we have a number of artifacts that have been 25 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:49.599 dated in the early teens eleven to twelve thousand years old. I can't remember 26 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:54.599 if they were potshards or they were jewelry or something, but he has made 27 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:59.120 a number of claims. In fact, he passed away by the way, 28 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:04.599 he passed away last year suddenly. It was kind of a shock and left 29 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:10.360 us with his legacy, which is wonderful. But he was in the middle 30 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:16.360 of writing a book, and part of this book was on the native legacy 31 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:24.439 of Lemuria. And within this book he had a anthropology student who I'm still 32 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:31.279 going to look into, reporting on artifacts that had been carbon dated to several 33 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:40.720 thousands of years, and we're talking an Azazi people, were talking Zuni Novajo, 34 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:46.079 some of the very earliest people who arrived in the United States. Now, 35 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.079 the beauty of the story of Le Maria is, and we're gonna talk 36 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:58.560 about this today, is the fact that a archaeologist in Mexico, William Nivid 37 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:05.480 and I've n was excavating a ruin in Mexico and this is in the late 38 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:13.839 eighteen hundreds and found a number of fascinating hieroglyphics from an unknown civilization. The 39 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:20.240 story goes that James Churchward, who wrote extensively about Moo and Lemoria, had 40 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:29.800 seen similar stones and symbology in Tibet when he traveled there and connected it with 41 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:34.399 Moo. So where those artifacts went, we don't have a clue. If 42 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:43.000 you are interested in learning more about Lemuria and Moo same place, get James 43 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:47.120 Churchwood's books on move. He's got three of them and they're just perfectly having 44 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:54.319 your library if you get them. There are a number of renderings and I 45 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:59.639 think there's one or two photographs of these hieroglyphs, and they're really all we 46 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:05.439 had. Now, current archaeologists dismiss this evidence. They believe that it is 47 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:15.560 a North American based civilization and that there isn't really any valid proof that there 48 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:25.199 ever was a Lemorria. This goes back to guests like doctor Paulette Steve's a 49 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:34.680 Native American archaeologist who is using oral traditions and numerous different native people's language to 50 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:42.000 verify facts like this. In her case, she's verifying very very old plasticine 51 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.680 settlements in North America that are older than one hundred thousand years, And this 52 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.279 is another book she's going to be bringing out. But when we look at 53 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:56.600 Clifford Mahoudi, when we look at Wallace black Elk, when we look at 54 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:02.639 Barreros and Humbot's men and all, each one of them has talked about a 55 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:11.360 great migration from the continent of Moo or Le Maria to the Americas and then 56 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:16.079 the settlements. Now, there's a also a good deal of evidence that the 57 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:25.920 Maya, the people who eventually became the Maya, migrated in part to Mexico 58 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:33.839 and the Yucatan region and settled at places like Chichiitza, Coba Ushball, and 59 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.040 a lot of other places like that. And then we can get in there 60 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:44.600 and also say the places places like to call and so forth and so on. 61 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:49.920 It's really a challenge when we have our archaeologist shut the door on oral 62 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:59.519 traditions, because they offer us so much information that really can begin putting a 63 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.959 picture together as to where the Maya came from. It's my belief and what 64 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:11.040 was handed down to me by my native friends, most notably Hunbought's men and 65 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.279 Carlos Barreros, who wrote extensively about my and migrations in his book speak of 66 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:26.079 the Great Age and the migrations. And so as we begin looking at this 67 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.319 piecing together these oral traditions, we're gonna learn a lot about the Maya. 68 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.039 We're gonna learn a lot about the Aztecs, and a great deal about meso 69 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:43.320 American Central American native people and how they got there and how they developed. 70 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:48.519 So I'm not going to be in the near future because they're not teaching Native 71 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:56.279 traditions in the universities and college They're they're blindsiting these students. They're not allowing 72 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.279 them to look at the people who are living there right now. I mean 73 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:07.360 there's there's millions of indigenous Maya living in Mexico and in Central America right now, 74 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.720 millions. And the real and I mentioned this all the time, the 75 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.759 real, real challenge in working with Orthodoxy is that it's like working with the 76 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:20.639 Mexican government. The Maya don't want to do that. And there is evidence 77 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:28.600 of sacred books that could be used to decode some of the hieroglyphs, some 78 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.799 of the Mayan history, some of the Maya language. So today we're speaking 79 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.080 on Lemuria at what happened there, the sophistication of it. When we talk 80 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:46.360 about Lemuria, we have to also mention Nan Medal. We've had a number 81 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.639 of people on the program speaking on man Medal. This is this Pacific island, 82 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:58.440 small, tiny, but there is megalithic stonework there. There is hieroglyphics 83 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.840 that have not been decoded or translated. There is a great deal of evidence 84 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:13.559 around super ancient, significantly old civilizations that settled there over a period of millennia, 85 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.519 thousands and thousands of years. So one group would die off, another 86 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.440 group would come and settle and so there has been a great deal of modifications 87 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:31.519 done to that site. In fact, you know this has been This recording 88 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.120 was done in twenty fifteen. Since that time, there are a number of 89 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:45.399 books on Lemuria on Man Medal. Also, another suspicious place is Easter Island 90 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.399 off the coast of Chile in the Pacific Ocean. Robert schock As has been 91 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:56.559 there and written extensively. Our own doctor Edwin Barnhardt has been there and he 92 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.559 has written about it. I'm thinking of going there in a year or two, 93 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:07.320 so we might put together a tour Dakota Eastern Island. It's just fascinating. 94 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.600 We'll tie in a lot of places on the Pacific portion of South America 95 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.519 if we do that. So that's that's uh, those are all considerations. 96 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:24.960 Now Here is a short clip from Unexplained on Lemuria. I'm i'm I did 97 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.320 some work with Unexplained, but this is uh not me. This is going 98 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:35.679 to be Andrew Collins, Hugh Newman, and Robert church Ward speaking on the 99 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:41.759 Lemurian hypothesis, what's been found, what evidence is out there, and also 100 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.399 quite a bit on Nan Medal. One of the most intriguing lost continents is 101 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.440 a land mask that is believed to have once existed in the Pacific Ocean, 102 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:01.399 a mythical land that is known as the First Us and to write extensively about 103 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:09.879 the lost Continent of MW was a Scottish writer by the name of James Churchwood. 104 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.639 In the nineteenth century. He was in India when he visited a monastery 105 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:24.000 and the monks there had records apparently tablets, that referred to this place called 106 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:33.000 MW. That was this huge continent that supposedly existed from Hawaii in the north 107 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:39.440 down to Easter Island in the southeast, right the way across to Micronesia in 108 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:46.799 the west, and the people there were supposedly called the Nakau. The continent 109 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:52.919 of MW thrived perhaps fifty thousand years ago and was sunk beneath the waves, 110 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:01.200 possibly at the end of the Last Ice Age. Magre grandfather James Churchward eventually 111 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.799 he became friends with the Rishi of the temple that he visited in India, 112 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.799 and the rishi's mentioned that he was a member of the Nikall Brotherhood, the 113 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.919 holders of wisdom and knowledge of the Lost Continent of Mu. There were mighty 114 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.879 navigators and sailors and established civilization in other parts of the world. According to 115 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:30.720 James Churchward. The Nicall civilization had a population of more than sixty million people 116 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:37.519 at its peak, before a massive volcanic cataclyst caused moved to vanish beneath the 117 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.720 waters. Sover, no evidence of the Lost Continents has been found on the 118 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.840 ocean floor, but some researchers claimed that incredibly, a tiny remnant of mu 119 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:56.480 may still exist above water today on an island located in a remote part of 120 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:03.240 the Pacific Ocean, roughly twenty five hundred miles northeast of Australia, by the 121 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:09.360 ruins of a once great ancient city, Nanmadal. Nanmadal is a complex of 122 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:16.399 man made islands built with massive stone blocks that float atop a submerged coral reef. 123 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.919 So as you approach Nanmadal, there are a series of islands and they're 124 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.879 built actually on coral, the only place in the world where this actually occurs. 125 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:37.720 And you've got all these incredible structures made of these prismatic blocks. At 126 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.759 Namadal, you have these ridiculous basalt columns. They're huge, some of them 127 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.159 up to like forty tons even more. In some cases. Some of them 128 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.879 are raised very high up in the air. On the very top levels so 129 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.639 there's a real problem when it comes to try and to understand how they moved 130 00:14:52.759 --> 00:15:00.879 these millions of tons of basalt columns. One of the biggest mysteries surrounding Nanmadal 131 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:07.399 is that nobody really knows who constructed it. But there's some very strange stories 132 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:13.440 about how the city came into existence. For instance, one of the stories 133 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:22.679 talks about it being constructed by so called master builders turning up and using a 134 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:30.000 magical fouls to raise the blocks into the air and put them into place, 135 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:39.039 almost as if they could levitate these blocks. Some people actually suggested that maybe 136 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:45.879 nan Medal was the last remnant of Moo that was still above water, and 137 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:52.600 it was simply indicative of what had sunk beneath the waves from this advanced civilization. 138 00:15:54.759 --> 00:16:00.320 Nanmadal's in Micronesia, so it fit the correct general area, and this 139 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.600 is one reason people thought in terms of mood when it comes to looking for 140 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:11.000 this lost continant of mood, places like Nammadon really do suggest that it could 141 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.519 be much more down there than we realize. On the bottom of the ocean. 142 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:22.519 It's hard to picture an entire continent with people living on it simply vanishing 143 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:27.799 into the sea. And yet all over the world there are legends of lost 144 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:37.000 civilizations that were swallowed up by the oceans. But could such legends actually be 145 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:45.240 true? Now, I want to mention that we will be visiting some very 146 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:52.320 very old Mayan sites on our annual Maya tour that's going to be held November 147 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.919 tenth through the seventeenth. We meet in Villa Harmosa and visit Leventev, which 148 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.960 is an OMEC site. But then we take a I think it's about two 149 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.079 and a half hour drive to Chiapas and see one of the grand cities of 150 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:12.400 the ancient Maya, which is Polank. And it's said that Polank was continually 151 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.319 settled for thousands and thousands of years, and it's likely that the some of 152 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:25.319 the migrants from Lemuria are stationed there. I'll tell you that later at another 153 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:32.319 time. Some of the traditions that go back and describe Plank as a center 154 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.720 point for people who are migrating from other parts of the world. So, 155 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.119 all right, So today's program is MoU the First Great Civilization, and my 156 00:17:41.160 --> 00:18:22.079 guest is George Schwimmer. Hey, you guys probably remember I think it was 157 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:27.200 about a month and a half ago when my guest was doctor Danny, not 158 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:37.359 a wig Ja Ja, who is the geologist and the responsible archaeologists who's excavating 159 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:45.720 the Indonesian pyramid known as Ganan Penang. And one of the real interesting features 160 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:51.440 of this was that, first of all, doctor Danny, Danny was telling 161 00:18:51.519 --> 00:19:00.759 us that every bit of research was verified and they were doing pretty substantial C. 162 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:08.839 Fourteen or age testing carbon dating, And what made this ancient ruin this 163 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:15.640 pyramid quite unique was they were getting dates back as far back as twenty thousand 164 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.319 years ago. I think one of the dates was twenty thousand years ago. 165 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:29.200 And the engineering prowess involved in this, in the design of this pyramid included 166 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:36.319 various rooms, various levels that have been built up over thousands and thousands of 167 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:42.000 years. And I even believe he had discussed that they had used certain equipment 168 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:48.039 that could measure certain types of radiation that we're coming out of the center of 169 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:55.240 the building pyramid, and Danny wrote a book and felt that it was potentially 170 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:03.319 part of much older civilization in Pacific. And what we do know is and 171 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:08.480 what we've heard about, and we've heard about it from people like Colonel James 172 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:17.920 Churchward in his books on Lemario or MoU is that there was apparently a sophisticated 173 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.960 culture that lived in the Pacific on this massive continent, and over a period 174 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:33.039 of time the landmass was destroyed by various tectonic shifts that basically collapsed it. 175 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:41.599 But there really hasn't been, other than Churchward's work, any really solid material 176 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:49.720 or new books on MOO. And this is why my guest today is presenting 177 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:56.799 some very very interesting research on what he has discovered. Now, my guest 178 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:00.440 today is George Schwimmer. He is a hairy, was a theater director for 179 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:06.759 thirty years, as well as teaching theater at two colleges in university. He 180 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:12.559 later studied film at UCLA Extension and was a VP of development for a Los 181 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:18.440 Angeles TV station. After he did that, for the next thirty five years, 182 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.000 he studied and practiced life therapy, spirit releasement, ray key, past 183 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.559 life readings, and shamanic healings. And he's going to tell us a little 184 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.799 bit about his shamanic work. But I think the unique part of what George 185 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:38.440 brings to the plate on MoU is that he believes that this is quite verifiable 186 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:44.400 on a number of levels. And we're going to hear about what he has 187 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:48.440 discovered. George, welcome, Welcome to the program. How are you today? 188 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.480 Thank you, Cliff, good to be with him. Yeah. So 189 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:57.079 the complete title of this work that you've done is MoU the first great civilization 190 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:03.000 and its connection to Peru, New Mexico, the Hopie, and the Santa 191 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.759 Fe. I mean, first of all, I mean we talked a little 192 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.960 bit before the show. Why should we be interested in a lost continent that 193 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.240 is twenty thirty forty one hundred thousand years old. Is there some connection that 194 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:25.880 we need to be interested in. Well, that's sort of an interesting question. 195 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:30.599 Actually, just got through talking about the ancient civilizations on Mars. I 196 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:37.599 think the main reason is that, for some probably political reason, it's the 197 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:45.000 best word I can think of, the establishments around the world for the last 198 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.720 several thousand years have been suppressing information. I don't know why they've been doing 199 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:55.559 that. The only thing I can figure out is that it came out of 200 00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:03.440 the various religions, which were of course invented, and the priests in these 201 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:10.720 religions use the suppression of information to control the people who they wanted to control. 202 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.759 And that's the only thing I can think of because it is bizarre how 203 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:26.200 scientists keep misrepresenting the history of the Earth and keep ignoring and suppressing information that 204 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.319 is factual. It's not even theoretical, it is factual. So I can't 205 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:38.839 really tell you why why this has taken place with my background, though, 206 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:42.599 you were talking about the fourth of July, and that sort of sparked something 207 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:48.359 in my head that I hadn't thought about before. And both Moo and Atlantis 208 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:55.160 not only collapsed physically a geologically and went into the ocean, but they collect 209 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:03.519 the civilizations collapsed because the people who were ruling and running these countries kept becoming 210 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:12.559 more and more corrupt and greedy and power hungry. And when I think about 211 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:19.480 that, and I think about the present political and economic situation in the United 212 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:25.359 States, it gives me a little bit of a worry because this is the 213 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:33.480 kind of progression that took place in both Atlantis and move where the spiritual aspect 214 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.839 of the countries were eroded and after a while, the only thing people cared 215 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.240 about was money and power. And it seems to me that that's the same 216 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.039 sort of thing that's happening in the United States right now. And the other 217 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:52.200 thing that sparked in my head when you were talking about the fourth of July, 218 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.839 was that from a spiritual point of view, it's very possible. A 219 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:03.119 lot of people have said that the United States as a spiritual experiment, and 220 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:10.440 this spiritual experiment could be a sort of a replaying of what should have happened 221 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.319 with the societies of Moon and Atlantis but didn't. And so you know, 222 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.079 we have to be hopeful that we're not going to wind up the same way 223 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:23.640 as Moon and Atlantis did. That that's fascinating thought. I think I remember 224 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:32.359 reading a passage from Edgar Casey's book that there was two factions in Atlantists that 225 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:37.519 fought constantly, and one was a very highly spiritual group and another one was 226 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:44.559 maybe more focused on the material wealth of the times, and it was an 227 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.359 ultimate demise of the of the of the of the country. Yeah, that 228 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:56.839 that is correct, The technologists one. I had an interesting experience with that. 229 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.079 Just if I mentioned this quickly. When I was doing past life therapy, 230 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:07.559 I had a client who lived in Atlantis when it was in its final 231 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:12.160 stages of destruction, and she described exactly what you just said, that there 232 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:18.039 were two groups of people, one spiritually oriented and the others who were scientific 233 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:26.000 and apparently very stubborn, and eventually she and a lot of the other spiritual 234 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:33.319 people left and the Atlantis, the last of Atlantis, were destroyed by the 235 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:40.039 scientists and military by their misuse of lasers. Wow, let's talk a little 236 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:44.000 bit about this wonderful book that you wrote. In the introduction of the book, 237 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.839 you describe your shamanic initiation into the is I'm going to see it as 238 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:55.960 quero caro, Yeah, okay, you could you pronounce a k e r 239 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:02.799 o okay, k r o karro shamanic rites of passage, and that you 240 00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.839 said that this was the trigger point in the beginning of your interests in the 241 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:12.200 discovery and the background of Move. What did the shaman of the prew area 242 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:18.279 where you receive your initiation tell you about move? It was there some form 243 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.440 of history that was presented, or was it more that the rituals were tens 244 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:29.119 of thousands of years old and that was the trigger point. Nobody ever talked 245 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.519 about MOVE, which is kind of interesting. But I was given these part 246 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.920 part of the training was getting these nine sacred rights, and they're not just 247 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:44.000 symbolic, they have very practical purposes which I won't get into because it's too 248 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.400 long a story. But after I got these rights, which some of them 249 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:56.440 were really magical, our leading instructor, doctor Alberto Violdo, who has been 250 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:03.720 working and studying with the Carol Shamans for close to thirty years now, he's 251 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.759 an anthropologist, and he said he thought these rights went back one hundred one 252 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.039 hundred thousand years. And I thought one hundred thousand years? Where did that? 253 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.119 Where did that come from? And that just kept bugging me, you 254 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:21.599 know. And I started these studies back in two thousand and five, and 255 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:30.359 for the next five to seven or eight years, this question kept periodically coming 256 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.880 up my mind, and I kept thinking, where in God's name could these 257 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:41.319 have come from? What existed? What human civilization existed one hundred thousand years 258 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.359 ago? I didn't know of anything except Atlantis. And then I remember it 259 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:52.880 also that there had been this continent of civilization of what most people called Lemuria, 260 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.240 except I'd never read anything about It was just mentions in one book or 261 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:02.079 another, one esoteric book or another. Then I recalled that Edward Casey had 262 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:11.480 had a handful of readings that mentioned people from Lemuria Ormu, and then the 263 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.160 back of my head. I suddenly remembered years and years ago, I had 264 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:19.599 run across a mention of a Colonel James church Word, who had written five 265 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.759 books. I didn't know what it was five books then, but had written 266 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.559 about MoU. And so I went online and I went to Amazon, and 267 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.920 sure enough there was James church Word and he had written five books on MoU. 268 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:38.519 And I found one offer where offered five copies of paperbacks of his books, 269 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.759 and I bought those and I read them, and it just sort of 270 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:47.839 sort of, you know, lit up this bulb in my head, and 271 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.359 I thought, oh, okay. And the immediate connection that I made was 272 00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:03.880 that MoU was a very spiritual society and a great many probably most of the 273 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:11.200 ruins that are attributed to Mu or to people who went to other parts of 274 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.599 the world. Their buildings were temples, so which tells us, you know, 275 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.599 that they were very spiritual. Well, this connects with my Karo Shamans. 276 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.400 Now everybody thinks that the Karo are descendants of the Inca, but they're 277 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:33.400 not. In fact, most of the Inca Empire. For most people who 278 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:38.119 have read this already know most of the people in the Inca Empire weren't Inca. 279 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:47.079 The Inca conquered neighboring tribes and civilizations and cities and whatever, and either 280 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:55.519 conquered the militarily or peacefully incorporated them into their empire. And so the ancestors 281 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:03.960 of the Karo Shamans were called Laika laik eight and that means what's the word 282 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:14.519 now, keepers of wisdom. And so I made this connection between the Laika 283 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.480 and Moo. It was just an intellectual connection. I had nothing to base 284 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.119 it on, but I decided, I'm going to go online, and I'm 285 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.480 going to go down to Amazon and see if I can find any books about 286 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.400 MoU. Well, as you point out, there has been very little written 287 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:38.119 about MoU as a entire book, but there are books that have chapters that 288 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:45.160 deal with aspects of Moo. And what I found interesting about that is that 289 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.559 almost all of these books have been published in two thousand. James church Word 290 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.839 published his book on MoU in nineteen twenty eight, and then he published his 291 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.400 other books in the next two or three years, and virtually nothing was written 292 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.240 for the next seventy years. And all of a sudden, now people are 293 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.880 writing about Move since the turn of the century. So that's why do you 294 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.400 think that is why? Yeah, why would you think that starting in two 295 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:16.000 thousand this would be a resurgence of interest in in Mu. I can only 296 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:22.160 say it comes from a spiritual aspect, because why why did I get interested 297 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.079 in Move? I had no reason to. I had absolutely no reason to 298 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.480 get interested in Move. You know, I've spent a great thirty five years 299 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:34.480 of my life involved in all kinds of other metaph metaphysical things, and I 300 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.960 knew nothing about Mu and had no interest in shamanism. I had no interest 301 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.000 in Mu. All of a sudden, I'm interested in shamanism. All of 302 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.759 a sudden, I get interested in finding out, you know, what the 303 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.559 origins of this are and of Moo are. I don't know. It's a 304 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.039 spiritual thing, and I don't I can't really explain to you completely. I 305 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.240 can give you a couple of guesses. I get some guesses, but that's 306 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.440 all I can do. Okay, So George, let's let's help our audience 307 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.559 those of don't know about le Mari or Mut. Can he give us a 308 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:09.519 little primer? What where was MoU? What is just a little historic overview 309 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:17.039 would be great before we dive into some details. According to Church, let 310 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.359 me just mentioned something about James church Ward. He was a military man in 311 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.759 the British Army. He was sent to India. I guess he was somewhere 312 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:31.039 around in the eighteen seventies, and he apparently had some time on his hand, 313 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:39.000 and he got interested in temple carvings and what the symbols meant. And 314 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:45.400 he met a priest at one of these temples, and the priest noticed that 315 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:52.160 the Churchward was interested in these symbols, and so he started tutoring church Word 316 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.359 about the symbols and what they meant and so on. And then the course 317 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.519 of that, he mentioned that in the temple there were these ancient tablets that 318 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:07.200 went way back in time, and of course Churchwood got very interested immediately, 319 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:14.400 and the priests refused to show them to him, and Churchword kept on coming 320 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.400 up with different ploys to get the priests to show him the tablets, and 321 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.159 finally the priests that, okay, I'll show you a couple. And so 322 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:29.199 he brought a couple out from storage to somewhere deep under the temple and read 323 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:36.800 the inscriptions. This man knew how to read these inscriptions on these tablets. 324 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.119 And not only did church Word get fascinated but the priests got fascinated, so 325 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:49.320 then they went and unpacked all of these tablets over a period I guess of 326 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:54.039 months or maybe even longer. And this is where all his information came from. 327 00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.000 Okay, so that's the background. Now people discount the scientific community. 328 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.480 He discounts Church Were because he didn't reference, he didn't footnote his books, 329 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.719 and he refused to say where the temple was located because the priest was afraid 330 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.280 that if the location were revealed then people would come and steal them or destroy 331 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:19.480 them or whatever, which had been done before at other temples. So Church 332 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:23.760 were. Couldn't you make himself believable to the scientific community, although if you 333 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.800 read his books, it's very obvious that you know he's not making this stuff 334 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:34.800 up. So anyway, according to him, the continent of Amu was a 335 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.480 huge continent. I forget the exact amount of it. Was something like five 336 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.800 thousand by three thousand miles I think, is what he said. And it 337 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.400 was not totally connected. There were three three segments, and the three segments 338 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:59.920 were separated by some bit of water apparently not a great deal, but anyway, 339 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.559 separated a little bit by water, so it wasn't one solid continent. 340 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:09.079 There were three segments to this continent. According to these tablets, the population 341 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:17.280 was about sixty four million people, and apparently the continent went this or this 342 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:23.800 civilization of Moo went back about two hundred thousand years. He didn't get into 343 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.599 and I don't think anybody can even guess at this point what went before, 344 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.559 you know, to create this civilization or have started. But he said that 345 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.960 his feeling was that, you know, the biblical Garden of Eden actually was 346 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:44.199 on the continent of Moo. And he didn't say, you know, a 347 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.880 man was created on the continent of move, but that's what he mentioned. 348 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.079 So anyways, there was sixty four sixty four million people over you know, 349 00:36:52.199 --> 00:37:00.960 these many millennia. And eventually, as the population grew, either because the 350 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:06.599 population was getting a little bit big or because people were just adventurous, some 351 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:13.039 people started going out to other parts of the world, and eventually they created 352 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:22.960 different societies like Atlantis and India and Indonesia and Japan and so on. And 353 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:27.360 so if you look at the world map, you see, okay, Moo 354 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:32.440 was in the middle of the Pacific and people went both east and west right 355 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.880 Okay, Now, one of the interrupted real quickly. One of the things 356 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.599 that you bring up that I have known about and our audience probably doesn't know, 357 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.480 but there's a very very ancient Hindu text called the rig Veda Vedas, 358 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:53.840 and they give reference to the great civilization. Now they don't say Moo, 359 00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.840 but they do give reference to a great civilization that's thousands and thousands of years 360 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.159 old. And I think the audience needs to understand just how old move was 361 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.519 and why in your book you call it the first great civilization. We're talking 362 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.519 tens of thousands of years ago, very very very ancient, what maybe one 363 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.880 hundred thousand years or older? Right, Yeah, I don't know if you 364 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:29.400 know they started. Churchwood didn't say when they started moving out of Moo to 365 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:36.559 other countries. But in reference to that document from India, it states that 366 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.960 it was a huge continent to the east of India, which puts it in 367 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:45.440 the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and it says they were worshipers of the 368 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.719 sun, which is not true, but everybody thinks we can get into the 369 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.840 symbology of that. But the symbol of the sun was very important to move 370 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.440 so maybe that's why they call them sun worshippers. The Churchill says they were 371 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.440 not sun worshippers. The sun was sim a symbol of Mu and a symbol 372 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:10.280 of the Creator. And according to that Indian document, that continent was destroyed 373 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:20.440 by volcanoes and tidal waves and left only Indonesia and the Pacific Islands, which 374 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.199 is exactly what happened. So although they don't call it Mu in every other 375 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:32.639 respect, the Indian document is correct and one of the one of the more 376 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.119 interesting thing. It's just sort of a sidelight, but it's interesting all the 377 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.760 same, particularly with you talking about civilization on Mars. You know, everybody 378 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:49.400 has this pride in modern civilization that we're the technological civilization. Well, the 379 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:57.039 records or stories or legends of the Latis and Mu both indicate that both the 380 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.400 people of Mu and the people of Atlantis had fl machines of one kind or 381 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:07.360 another. And Indian documents also indicate that in the far history of India they 382 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.079 had flying document flying machines, so that that's sort of interesting. They're also 383 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:21.840 it is, yeah, do we have a sense of the consciousness that they 384 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:29.480 brought to say Mexico or the present or what was known as Atlantis or other 385 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.760 places. I mean, you talk about them as a peaceful, highly spiritual 386 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.599 group. Obviously they had technology, if they had flying machines, But is 387 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:47.599 there something about them that is like a trademark to move in terms of their 388 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.920 level of consciousness and what they leave to these other parts of the world that 389 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.039 you discovered. Yeah, you have to. You have to put it into 390 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:02.079 the context of time and of what happened to Moo. Now, I don't 391 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:09.119 know what they did when they first came here or other places, but MoU 392 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:19.239 was destroyed in three epics. One was around fifty thousand BC. The first 393 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:25.639 segment went under the ocean, second segment went on the ocean around twenty six 394 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:34.000 or twenty eight thousand BC something like that, and the third one immersion and 395 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:39.480 the final destruction of Moo came around eleven thousand BC. Now, obviously after 396 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:47.320 the first destruction and inundation, the people of MoU had to have known that 397 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:54.480 they were living on a unstable continent and that they were living on borrow time. 398 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.519 All it was many thousands of years. But in any case, they 399 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:10.039 are apparently emigrating at a greater rate, and when they came to the various 400 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.360 places, and I did not try to find out about places like India or 401 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:20.800 Indonesia. But I was focused on the west coast of North and South America, 402 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:30.960 and along that arc they built huge cities, huge temples, massive temples, 403 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:43.239 and these all reflected the spiritual nature of the people because everywhere and there 404 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:47.880 are you know, Archaeolgras claimed that we haven't even found all the different cities 405 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.159 or temples or whatever in South America because the jungles of South America are so 406 00:42:52.840 --> 00:43:00.000 dense that you can't even get through. So there are still temples and cities 407 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.719 used to be found somewhere, and they're all similar. So you know, 408 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.960 the idea of a pyramid. You know, if you say pyramid, most 409 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.719 people think of you know, Egypt, but there are pyramids all over the 410 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:22.599 world, including Europe, and even in the United States there were some so 411 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.719 called pyramids that were made out of dirt. So you know, there is 412 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:31.480 a structure that is similar all around the world. And these are all temples. 413 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:38.519 And I say, you know, huge cities which indicate a great technological 414 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.440 expertise by the people who built them. For example, in all of these 415 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:55.840 places, the stones are cut so exactly that you can't hardly put a hair 416 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.280 between them. They are fitted so closely and nobody can figure about how it 417 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.199 was done. It couldn't have been done, you know, with chisels and 418 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.480 things like that, and uh, you know, I can only guess that 419 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.880 somewhere back then they had some technology and maybe like lasers or whatever, but 420 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.239 nobody can figure out how they were built. They had such a high technology. 421 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.760 And then you're seeing that they were they were megalithic builders. They built 422 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:30.880 in stone and in rock and hue. So would you say that maybe Cusco 423 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:40.760 and Sexy Human are remnants of a moose civilization because they are exactly what you're 424 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:49.280 talking about, extreme precision in megalithic stone work. Right. The next thing 425 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:55.800 I discovered when I made this connection, I started going on the internet and 426 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:04.239 I found legends and these egins I found in various places. So I'm assuming 427 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.320 that they are basically oral history. They may not be one hundred percent accurate, 428 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.800 but they present a continuing similar picture. The one I want to focus 429 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:29.000 on is Tiwanaku tiwaka ya try to pronounce it tiwanaku. And apparently at one 430 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:34.599 time Tiwanaku was at sea level. It is now at twelve thousand, five 431 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.000 hundred feet. Now, how in God's name, does you know something, 432 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.360 go from sea level to twelve thousand, five hundred feet And according to Church 433 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.239 Word, and this is Church Word had a great habit and his writing of 434 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.679 making fun of scientists, and one of the things that he insisted on in 435 00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:01.280 his books was that the mountains in North and South America and the rest of 436 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:07.400 the world did not exist before about seventeen thousand DC. According to geologists, 437 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.559 it was millions of years ago, and Church which says nonsense, they came 438 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:20.519 up about seventeen thousand years ago. Well, that certainly explains why Lake Titicaca 439 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.840 is that twelve thousand, five hundred feet, because it came up with the 440 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:30.480 mountains along the western edge of North and South America. And that was a 441 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:37.719 Churchwords theory about it. So the legends say that a man named Amaru Muru, 442 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:46.360 very high ranking individual in the Moose society, was sent after the first 443 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.760 part of Moose sankins the ocean to create cities, and other people were sent 444 00:46:53.840 --> 00:47:00.719 to create cities to what we now know as South America. But this guy 445 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:07.880 in particular was sent to the area which is now Peru. And when he 446 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:19.840 got there, according to legend, he arrived at the what we're already islands 447 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.800 in Lake Titicata, which means that the first inundation that already happened, because 448 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:30.239 prior to that there had been a huge city which the Hopie right about speak 449 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:36.559 about, at the bottom of Lake Titicata. The city was named Titicata originally, 450 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.360 and when the inundation came, it became a lake, and the whole 451 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:45.039 city of Titicata at the bottom of Lake Titicata right now. And they have 452 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.840 found some ruins. They have found some ruins at the bottom of the lake. 453 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:58.519 So this man apparently came and he created this, all these megalists that 454 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:05.920 you mentioned, and they were the predecessors of the Inca. And then later 455 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:12.440 in time the Inca incorporated when they conquered that part of South America, they 456 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:22.639 incorporated these immigrants from Mu. And originally the people of Mu called themselves children 457 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:29.480 of the Sun, and the emperor or a king or priest king priest of 458 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:37.000 Mu was called Ramu, and Ra meant son, and so this is where 459 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.719 the symbol of the sun comes in for Mu. And so the Inca claimed 460 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.400 them the title of children of sons for themselves. And everybody thinks that this 461 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.840 came from the Inca, but it didn't it came from Muh. The Inca 462 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.320 Empire only lasted for about two hundred and fifty years. I think it was 463 00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:02.119 something like thirteen hundred to fifteen thirty three. And so that is the background 464 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:09.079 of you know where where where it came. It came from move to the 465 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.119 western coast of Peru, lake to Takata and then eventually wound up with the 466 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:22.199 Inca in Cusco. We're gotta take a short commercial break to give our sponsors 467 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.480 a chance to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, 468 00:49:27.519 --> 00:50:10.000 George Schwimmer, talking about Lemuria. We'll be right back. I guess 469 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:15.159 today is George Schwimmer has written a book called Mu The First Great Civilization, 470 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.440 the story of this ancient continent that was in the Pacific Ocean, and we 471 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:28.960 are getting insight into this book he wrote many years ago. Let me ask 472 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.639 you a question, and this is fascinating. There's a number of research scientists 473 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:42.199 that are improh have who have discovered anomalous skeletal remains. And I think the 474 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:49.199 most typically recognizable type of human is this long headed, very very long headed 475 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:54.719 human that would you say that those are people from the Sun culture of Mu 476 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.679 that you're talking about, or are those just an anomalies because there's so many 477 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:07.440 of these individuals, and unfortunately we haven't had a real solid analysis of their 478 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:14.440 skeletal remains other than the cranium, and their brain capacity seems to be between 479 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:20.199 twenty five and thirty percent larger than what we have today. So do you 480 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:28.840 have anything to say about that regarding those those remains. Yeah, I believe 481 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:36.320 that those are probably extraterrestrials. And I'll tell you why. There was, 482 00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:43.519 first of all, a book written which is in my book by a Hopie 483 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:52.639 elder, and he recounted the far ancient history of the Hopie and he said 484 00:51:52.840 --> 00:52:00.480 that the Hopie originally came from Moo. And along with that, he said, 485 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:08.639 when these cataclysms started happening, he said, extraterrestrials came and helped his 486 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:16.960 people when they got to South America and helped them to migrate to Central America, 487 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:23.960 Mexico and then North America. Now, the same legend exists in Hawaii. 488 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:30.719 The Hawaii the Native Hawaiians also state that Hawaii was once part of MoU 489 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:42.960 and that extraterrestrials had helped their people when MoU got into the straits that had 490 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:50.920 got into at this time now. And Third, the lady who I mentioned, 491 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.519 who I regressed a number of years ago back to Atlantist, also mentioned 492 00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:01.840 that in Atlantist extra terrestrials had been helping the people, and that in her 493 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.760 past life recall she also mentioned that she was taken by some some type of 494 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:16.920 flying machine out of Atlantis and flown to Egypt, where a lot of the 495 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:25.079 immigrants from Atlantis went. And this is what created the sudden explosion of culture 496 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:30.119 and so on and so forth in Egypt, was the influx of all these 497 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.599 intelligent and educated people from Atlantis. So it is quite possible that those skeletons 498 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:40.400 that you're talking about are extraterrestrials. Okay, In your book, you mentioned 499 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:50.039 that the land of Lemuria or Moo had pretty much all the cultures that we 500 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.039 see today, the red culture, the yellow, the white. Is it? 501 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:58.599 I hate what the five cultures of the world were there? Is that? 502 00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.400 What is that? What you hadn't I didn't write about cultures, but 503 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:13.639 all five races were according to Church word, all five races were on in 504 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.960 the continent and civilization of Moot and what's interesting about that, you know, 505 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.519 I mean, I don't know if that's surprising or not, but in any 506 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:35.320 case, what is surprising and interesting is that when people came and rediscovered Easter 507 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.639 Island, they found three races of people there, and one was white skinned, 508 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.599 one was brown skinned, and one was black skinned. And Easter Island 509 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.320 is only about seven and a half miles by I don't know, ten miles 510 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.639 or something like that. I mean, it's not a very big island. 511 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.920 And how could you have three races on this tiny island? And so it's 512 00:54:55.000 --> 00:55:00.719 very obvious that you had, uh, you know, these people were of 513 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:08.760 the population of a mood that church Word wrote about. It's fantastic to h 514 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:15.440 to comprehend because there are civilizations and as an example, I've done a lot 515 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:21.400 of research in Central America, and here's the Olmic civilization that comes out of 516 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:30.840 nowhere, completely settled, sophisticated engineering artistically, and there's these gigantic basalt stone 517 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:44.039 African looking figures as well as Caucasian and quite a few uh Asiatic looking individuals. 518 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.119 So it's a real mix that just shows up, and these are not 519 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:57.159 It's very hard for scientists to discover a starting point they just arrive. Uh, 520 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:04.039 and it's like this showed up from some other They did they did? 521 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.039 You mentioned Mexico, and Mexico was the last thing that I discovered. I 522 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.760 didn't really think about Mexico when I was doing my research. I was mainly 523 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:22.239 focused on North America and Peru and the Pacific rim And then I ran across 524 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:28.559 something in Church were that I had forgotten about. And he has a diagram 525 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:35.199 in one of his books that shows that there were three civilizations in Mexico before 526 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:44.960 the present civilization, and each one apparently was destroyed by volcanic activity followed by 527 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:53.760 tidal waves and inundation. And one of the things that were found by a 528 00:56:53.760 --> 00:57:00.360 man named Niven who did a lot of this work. He was a self 529 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:07.199 made researcher and he did a lot of digging in Mexico. Guess they was 530 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:15.840 back in the twenties, and he found heads little a little stone or clay 531 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.079 statues, and they had all these different races that you're mentioning. And so 532 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:30.519 apparently before these tremendous obliterations of civilizations, there must have been a tremendous amount 533 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.800 of movement around the planet, and particularly around the what we call a Pacific 534 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:46.079 rim between societies Oriental and other societies you know, so uh and and you 535 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:53.079 know the kinds of things like the travels of what was his name, so 536 00:57:53.519 --> 00:58:02.159 high adol pronouncing that right, he's wrong, because they didn't get here through 537 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:12.360 boats. Moo was according to Edgar Casey, and even according to a legends 538 00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:17.719 when I lived in Santa Barbara, Moo, the eastern coast of Moo touched 539 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:23.920 what is now the western coast of the United States, and so these people, 540 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:30.000 you know, there was a lot of trade apparently going on around the 541 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:36.239 world at that time before all these things started going wrong. Incidentally, one 542 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.960 thing which I didn't get into because I don't know enough about the geology, 543 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:43.280 and I don't want to get into that, but is pertinent about all this, 544 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.000 and I recalled it from a little geology of course I took when I 545 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.880 was in college, is that the central portion of the United States was an 546 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:57.559 inland sea at one time, and much of the North American continent was you 547 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:04.159 know, marshy, and so people you know didn't live here. And I 548 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.519 forget from my geology, of course, when the earth changes took place, 549 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:15.599 which brought up the land under the United States Midwest. But apparently when those 550 00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:22.440 changes came about and the land came up uh there and then and other parts 551 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.400 of the United States to make it more solid and livable. Apparently that's when 552 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.559 the people from Moose started coming to North America. So this must have been 553 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:35.920 hundreds of thousands of years ago. Well, I don't know how long it 554 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.159 was, gonna say, I don't remember an exactly what it was, but 555 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.159 well, I just refilled the great age of that of that civilization, of 556 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:50.639 that Well there are there there apparently there apparently are other civilizations also which I 557 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:55.000 didn't get into. The eastern coast of the United States. According Edgar Casey 558 00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:01.159 Uh and some others, was settled by people who were fleeing Atlantis when it 559 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:07.000 was going down. So you're a Native Indian population in the United States is 560 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.760 not the same from the East coast to the West coast. It's a different 561 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.360 group of people on the East coast as from the West coast. And the 562 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:21.559 reason that there are similarities in their appearances obviously because these people many thousands of 563 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:28.159 years ago originally left MoU, went to Atlantis and then went to the western 564 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:31.280 part of the United States. Interesting, you know, you brought up Willie 565 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:37.599 Niven, who did a tremendous amount of archaeological excavation in the in the twenties. 566 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:43.760 And I've actually seen his books and read a couple of one book where 567 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:57.519 he literally has page after page of thousands of special symbols and artifacts, carvings 568 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:05.000 and figure means by the thousands, and he was never really taken serious for 569 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.519 all. And it's felt amazing because it's I mean, he actually worked for 570 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:14.159 for a long time doing his research, didn't heed. Yeah, And the 571 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:19.039 reason for that and for Church Word both is that they didn't have thhds, 572 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:24.440 They were not professors at some university, and so the academic community just dismissed 573 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:31.599 them. That's it. The most the most interesting thing though with Niven was 574 01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.840 that in addition to the stuff that you mentioned, he found I think it 575 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:43.599 was something like twenty six hundred tablets and he could make a sense out of 576 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:49.519 them. And so he sent rubbings of these tablets to Church Word, and 577 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:58.679 church Were told him that apparently these tablets appeared to be the descendants in terms 578 01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.719 of symbols, the symbols he'd found for MOO. So all these tablets in 579 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:12.800 uh, the Mexican clay had been originally uh the the the symbols and their 580 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.360 meanings and so on had been had come come down from Moo. So there's 581 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:24.440 another connection between UMU and in this case and uh in Mexico. Can you 582 01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:30.920 can you refresh our memory on just where because I know it was central somewhere 583 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:37.800 in Central America or central Mexico that Niven was diggy, But do you remember 584 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:43.960 specifically what areas? I don't have the reference in front of me. Uh. 585 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:49.360 I a second, I forget the name because it's a Mexican name, 586 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.199 but I think it's Here's Mexico. Okay, let me see now it's it's 587 01:02:53.760 --> 01:03:07.159 I know it's north north northwest, Okay, here here it was. I 588 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.800 mean, I know for a fact, for a fact, that he found 589 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:16.039 these uh this evidence in different locations. But there was one place when you 590 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.480 brought up to twenty six hundred tablets, that was one specific place that was 591 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:28.320 probably part of a temple I remember, But he was he originally he originally 592 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:37.400 started digging in San Miguel Amantla Otza cop Potzalco. However, you pronounce that 593 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:44.199 Valley of Mexican Valley of Mexico in the area not far from the Pacific Ocean, 594 01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.519 which accounts for them, you know, having been wiped out by the 595 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.639 tidal ways when these things happened. And then oh he found the tablets at 596 01:03:54.719 --> 01:04:05.800 Santiago. Who he is zoetah however that's pronounced, and there is then then 597 01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:13.800 there is uh, there's another area. I'll talk, I'll keep talking if 598 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:15.880 I can find out what the name of it is. But there was this 599 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:27.440 huge area northwest of Mexico City and uh there there are pyramids there, and 600 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:36.440 there was a whole city with houses. And here it is I can't pronounce 601 01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:44.159 it t e o t i h u a c A n t o t 602 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:49.280 hua can okay. And they have tourramids and so on. Now this is 603 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:56.920 an interesting sure, yeah, yeah, well that's a very famous place, 604 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:02.599 is where the big pyramids are. That's now in the world. Now what's 605 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:06.440 it. What's what's interesting about this to me is it makes me laugh. 606 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:17.480 Is that anthropologists and historians invariably say, well, this city was inexplicably abandoned, 607 01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:27.719 and then Tiwanaku was inexplicably abandoned, and then all these all these uh 608 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:34.039 temples and South America and Central America were inexplicably abandoned. They weren't abandoned. 609 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:41.119 The people were wiped out by by these inundations. It was it wasn't. 610 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:46.639 It wasn't just a move that was inundated, but all of the west coast 611 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:55.599 of South America, Central America, and Mexico were inundated, and so the 612 01:05:55.719 --> 01:06:00.559 population there didn't inexplicably leave, they were wiped out by these LA waves. 613 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.960 Yeah, can you talk a little bit about this because in your book you 614 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:14.599 described the seismic regions around the Pacific area and it's volatility, and and probably 615 01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:23.599 the reason why uh Move was destroyed was because of a tectonic shift of a 616 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:29.960 huge a huge scale. No, actually, actually, according to Church were 617 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:36.400 it wasn't the tectonic shift. He said that underneath Move were what he called 618 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:45.440 huge chambers filled with volcanic gas. Now these really humongous chambers. I mean, 619 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.199 you know, we can't you know, really conceive as to how huge 620 01:06:49.199 --> 01:07:00.280 they were, but they were huge. And then apparently when the volcano was 621 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:05.679 around the Pacific rim around the ring of Fire started erupting over various times, 622 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:13.840 they took with them these gases and after a while these chambers which contained these 623 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:17.800 gases, there was nothing in them. And these gases in the chambers had 624 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:26.440 been holding up the continent of Moo. And when the gases were removed from 625 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:31.639 these chambers, the chambers collapsed and then the whole continent of Moo went down 626 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:38.559 with it. And so that is how that happened. But if you do 627 01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.239 any kind of research at all, and I didn't do very much, just 628 01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:45.920 enough to satisfy myself, there is just something like, I don't I can't 629 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:50.159 remember when I was I'm like nine hundred and seventy five volcanoes around the Pacific 630 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:58.840 rim which is humongous. And so all of these changes which came about came 631 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:05.079 about, I would assume by the cooling of the earth as it as it 632 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:12.639 started to cool, Uh, these volcanoes came up. And then I don't 633 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:16.960 know enough about geology to get much further into it. But when when when 634 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:24.680 When the continent of Moo went down, it created other changes. Obviously one 635 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.319 of the changes was the raising of the mountains that you just think, logically, 636 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.399 if something big goes down to the Pacific Ocean, something has to come 637 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:35.680 up somewhere else to you know, a compensate for it. And this apparently 638 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:41.079 is what happened with North and South America the West coast. These came up 639 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:47.520 when a moo went down, and so that's a big enough continent that they 640 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:57.039 probably would have caused earthquakes and tsunamis to the Pacific, rim Mexico, all 641 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:02.039 the way up into California today's California, who knows how far up and pretty 642 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:09.079 much wipe things out substantially. Okay. You know, as I read your 643 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:16.359 book, George, I'm fascinated and kind of in dismay that these early researchers, 644 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:26.479 their work, Niven and Churchward were dismissed by the scientists because Niven's work 645 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:33.000 alone is a history, is a history that is not valid. And I 646 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:38.239 don't know what they what the science science world thought about. But you also 647 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:46.960 bring up the strange story of doctor Javier Cabrera Degara and his strange stone carvings. 648 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.840 What what can he tell us about what he discovered? Because his his 649 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:59.560 his discoveries are unique too, they're they're extraordinary. I just stumble across them 650 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:06.079 by chain, and nobody's spending attention to them. Yeah, and because again 651 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:12.720 to what they are in the second but because of certain laws in Peru about 652 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:20.279 ancient artifacts. The farmer who found most of these was almost prosecuted because they 653 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:26.760 said, you're not allowed to deal in ancient artifacts, and so the he 654 01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:31.720 almost went to jail, to prison. And so what happened was that the 655 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.920 man said, oh, I made them up, I forged them. Well, 656 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.640 first of all, there are a total of fifteen thousand of these things. 657 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:47.760 And the idea that that one man is going to individually forge engravings on 658 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:54.279 fifteen thousand stones is ridiculous, but this is what the Peruvian government settled on. 659 01:10:54.960 --> 01:11:00.520 So anyway, these stones were discovered first by some farmer and he uh 660 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:06.479 took them to this gentleman and he bought them from him, and then a 661 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:11.680 guy came back with more, and so he kept on buying them from the 662 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.520 sky, and eventually he wound up with eleven thousand of them. And uh, 663 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.479 there are another four thousand that are apparently in the possession of other people. 664 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:25.159 I don't know who, because that was never mentioned who else stones. 665 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.039 So let's just stop for a second, and I want to identify these to 666 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:33.239 our audience. These are known as the famous Inca stones, and why they 667 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:40.880 are there, I can't excuse me. I'm sorry, Ikea stones, pardon 668 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:50.960 me. Why they are unique and why they are not considered true artifacts by 669 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:58.159 the scientific community is that a number of them are quite a quite large percentage 670 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:05.520 showed dinosaurs, Uh, show humans writing on dinosaurs, humans interacting with dinosaurs. 671 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:12.760 And this is just too much for conventional science to deal with, and 672 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.640 so they are considered a sham. But why don't you tell us a little 673 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:25.520 more about what you discovered uh in these Yeah, go ahead, Uh, 674 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:30.800 these are one of the things that I found very interesting. Is uh, 675 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.319 I don't know if it was him or somebody else sent uh. I think 676 01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:42.600 it was four of these stones to a scientific laboratory in Germany and they were 677 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:51.800 analyzed there, and they know, the scientists there said these are not forgeries. 678 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:59.720 The grooves in the stones that were engraved into the stones are very ancient. 679 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:05.600 You can show it by uh, you know, chemical tests. And 680 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:15.159 one of the stones, which I had in my book shows engraved on one 681 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:23.760 rock what the surface of the planet Earth looked like about thirteen million years ago. 682 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:30.079 Now that's enough to make your hair stand on end, because even even 683 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:34.319 you know, if these were engraved ten or twenty thousand years ago, how 684 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.720 did these people know what the earth looked like thirteen million years ago, so 685 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:44.760 that that, really, you know, gives you some pause. And also 686 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:53.920 when after the government and claim these are all fakes. A man named Dennis 687 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:59.840 Swift wrote a book, and he noted in his book that priests and chronicle 688 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:06.000 traveling with the Spanish conquistadors in the fifteen hundreds wrote about the strange engraved stones 689 01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:12.520 of Ica. So these were not, you know, fraudulent, They existed 690 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.680 way back when, and a lot of these stones I didn't mention it in 691 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.760 my book. I forgot to mention it. A lot of these stones were 692 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:31.520 found in graves. And one of the occupations of some people in Peru is 693 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:35.319 to rob graves, and this has been going on for a hundred hundreds of 694 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:40.520 years. So they'll find graves, ancient graves which you know, you can't 695 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.680 even locate unless you know where to look, and they'll dig them up. 696 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.319 And in many of these graves they found these stones. So these go way 697 01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:55.560 way back, and they come from an unknown civilization in extremely distant past. 698 01:14:56.039 --> 01:15:00.039 Now, one of the things I mentioned from a couple of sources in my 699 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:06.840 book is that people who you know, are qualified, according to the establishment, 700 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:14.439 to make pronouncements about geological and archaeological things. I have come to the 701 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:19.800 conclusion that the ruins in South America are two are of two kind, and 702 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:29.199 one kind is things like with the Inca and others like them. And they 703 01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:42.479 say this is of relatively recent origin and reflects a deterioration of a much greater 704 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:48.239 culture that existed before the Incas and these other civilizations which are in the history 705 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:54.439 books. So there are two major according to these people, there are two 706 01:15:54.520 --> 01:16:05.840 major civilizations in both the South America Central America. And also also there were 707 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:11.119 there were three, as I mentioned with in Mexico, there were three inundations 708 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.399 along the west coast of South and North America, and so there were three 709 01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:20.680 stages. There appeared to be of only you know, two distinct civilizations in 710 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:26.239 Peru and areas around there. But there were three waves. And one of 711 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:29.479 the things also that I write about, and this which I thought was absolutely 712 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:35.880 fascinating, and that is the language studies that were made and DNA studies that 713 01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:42.319 were made, and both Casey, Edward Casey and James Church were said there 714 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:48.359 were three waves of immigrants to North and South America, and the language studies 715 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:56.399 and the GNA study. DNA studies also show three waves of people, and 716 01:16:56.479 --> 01:17:01.079 that's really fascinating, and that is purely signed tific. This is not legend. 717 01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:06.239 This was developed by people in the last twenty years or so. And 718 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:10.199 that's what got me going. And that's what got me to write this book, 719 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:13.479 because I had no intention of writing a book. I just got interested 720 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:20.720 in the subject because I was studying these shamanic rights and I was taking the 721 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:27.159 shamanic training. And when I started reading this this modern stuff, I said, 722 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.600 oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, this is not a 723 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:36.119 legend. I mean, what is this, you know? And this book 724 01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.920 I've written is very small, but you go and read it, and I 725 01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:45.439 mean there are just dozens and dozens and dozens of pure facts which have been 726 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:49.880 developed by scientists in the last twenty or thirty years. So you know, 727 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:55.960 somebody somebody saying that MoU is just a legend, they don't know what they're 728 01:17:55.960 --> 01:18:02.359 talking about. We're gonna take a short commercial break and we will be right 729 01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:42.399 back with our guests today, George Schwimmer. We'll be right back. I 730 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.119 guess today is George Schwimmer, who is a research investigator. His book Moo 731 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:56.159 the first Great civilization outlines specific archaeological details as well as mythological records on the 732 01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:02.680 people of the Great Continent that once inhabit did the Pacific Ocean. Well, 733 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.119 they're not paying attention, and this is what drives mean. That's now you 734 01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:12.039 just you just brought up something I think would be something to if they could 735 01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:16.079 verify, it would be wonderful that the can keys to the doors and their 736 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:27.399 chronicles actually have records of seeing these stones. It's in a record that would 737 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.359 shut these these these naysayers down a little bit. I just think it's too 738 01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.960 mind blowing for them to see pictures of humans, uh steaming. But you 739 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.840 know what I'm you know what I'd like to see, and maybe you know 740 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:49.720 somebody might be me. Somebody should set up a Kickstarter fund and create a 741 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:55.119 fund, create a fund of about a couple of hundred thousand dollars and find 742 01:19:55.319 --> 01:20:02.640 an adventurous UH graduate student and UH anthropolo and handing this information and just say 743 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:08.960 track this all down and find more along the same lines and write a real 744 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:15.560 academic book of three four hundred pages proving that there was something there. Incidentally, 745 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.560 I couldn't find it again because I only found a couple of mentions, 746 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.920 and it's not in my book, but there there there have been two or 747 01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:30.279 three geologists who said there was a continent in the Pacific Ocean and they probably 748 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:33.960 lost their jobs as a result of that. But but there were two of 749 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:39.239 the two or three people who printed articles saying that they believed there was a 750 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:43.560 continent in the Pacific Ocean. So it's not one hundred percent uh, you 751 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.479 know, cover up. Yeah, I think it's I think I think it's 752 01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:51.800 a cover up. Well, I think, and we hear from a lot 753 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:59.000 of geologists and archaeologists on our program. I think it's just a changing of 754 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:05.560 the guard, and I think the young academics, the young archaeologists that are 755 01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:12.680 coming up, And we heard it from Scott Walter, who's a respected geologist 756 01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:17.279 who has this program on American on Earth, that that it's the younger groups 757 01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.960 that are not going to stand by and keep covering things up. I mean, 758 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:31.000 uh. Scott detailed that in his estimation, the Smithsonian Institute is responsible 759 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:34.880 for some of the greatest cover ups in our country and continues to be so 760 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:42.880 I believe that it's Smithsonian also the National Geographic Society that are not our friends 761 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:47.760 that are not giving us the truth of our heritage, which probably goes back 762 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.520 many, many, many thousands of years. In the United States and then 763 01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:56.800 in around the world, the story of the Maya is wrong. If you 764 01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:00.239 go down to the Maya, their their their cities are extremely well constructed, 765 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.199 engineered in many ways, much better than a lot of the cities that we 766 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:11.760 have today. So there's there's a story to tell, and it's just a 767 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:15.840 matter of time before the stuff comes up in books like yours. Move the 768 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:23.079 first great civilization help us to see that it's not all fantasy, that there's 769 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:26.399 some there's some validity, you know, you know, this is this is 770 01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:31.600 this is very similar to going back to the nonsensical idea that Earth is flat. 771 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.439 I mean, this is exactly the same sort of thing. And one 772 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:41.520 of the things that occurred in each us very recently is that all of the 773 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.840 things, all of these things are being ignored because it does not comply with 774 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:54.760 the religious history in the Bible, you know. And I know that I 775 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:57.880 know that will be a you know, a controversial statement, but it just 776 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.720 came to me a couple of weeks ago, and I thought, well, 777 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.600 yeah, you know, I mean, the Catholic Church has been suppressing all 778 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:08.520 kinds of information over the centuries, and this is just more of the same. 779 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:15.199 It is in the time we have left. George, Can you tell 780 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:19.479 us a little bit about what you discovered now? You state that in your 781 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:27.119 book that there are remnants of Moo from the Hopi Indians, that we heard 782 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:31.279 about it, and actually you actually give reference to the elder Oswald White Bear 783 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:41.640 Fredericks, who believes that his ancestry is extremely old and it comes from Moo. 784 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.479 I mean, just to know that that's a book right there. Well, 785 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:47.600 he wrote, he wrote it, He wrote it. He wrote a 786 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:54.840 book. Yeah, he wrote, he wrote a book, and he dictated 787 01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:58.479 it. I think it was something like nineteen ninety three, and then it 788 01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.359 was finally published in two thousand and seven. It's in my in the big 789 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:04.199 bibliography at the end of my book. I have to look for that. 790 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:06.600 Yeah, it's something I want to read. But can you tell us a 791 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:17.279 little bit about the references to south southern California, to New Mexico that had 792 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:26.720 these influences and maybe the tribe the Indian tribes that are descendants. Yeah, 793 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.199 that's going out of my head now. With the name of this people are 794 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:35.199 looking up in a second. But anyway, this one group of Indians in 795 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:44.760 California, Chumash Chumash Indians, and they always say that they came from the 796 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.520 west. They point to the west. Well, what's west of California the 797 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:59.199 ocean, and so they claimed they came from the west. And they are 798 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:03.640 apparently remnants uh uh, some some came when you know, things started going 799 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:11.520 badly, but apparently some must have come just because it was very close to 800 01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:16.199 the eastern edge of Mu. And when people started leaving MoU and going to 801 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:23.960 other parts of the world, the Chumash came to California and they still are 802 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:30.560 there. Uh. They they lived in the Los Angeles area and Santa Barbara 803 01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:32.119 and up the coast, and it goes all the way up to Oregon. 804 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:36.039 I forget what the name of the Indians are up in the Oregon, but 805 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:44.159 all all, all of these people are came came along there. So one 806 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:50.720 of the things that is interesting is in their language. In their language and 807 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:59.319 in other languages, the word MoU keeps coming up. And so for example, 808 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:04.279 in Hawaii, the people talk about Lemu l e Mu, who is 809 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:09.720 the king of a great kingdom at the bottom of the Ocean, Pacific Ocean, 810 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:16.600 and all kinds of names are incorporated with the word mu in both Peru 811 01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:27.159 and in Japan. Apparently Japan Japanese and Quechua, the language that the Carrols 812 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:30.720 speak, are very similar. And how the heck is that possible that a 813 01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:38.079 bunch of Indians in South America speak almost the same sort of language as the 814 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:47.520 Japanese do. And so there are these linguistic queues clues that are also uh 815 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:54.079 uh, you know, found all around the world. And then then then 816 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:59.640 there are you know, things like farming, terrace farming are found. All 817 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:05.760 kinds similar ways of terrace farming are found in all over the world. And 818 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:12.039 you know what, you can't you can't have people developing the same thing at 819 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.439 the same time by accident. I mean, it doesn't happen, you know, 820 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.119 I mean, let's be serious about this. You know, everybody doesn't 821 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:23.680 suddenly suddenly in vent pyramids. I mean, that's nonsense. You know, 822 01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:28.640 it had to come, it had to come from somewhere. And everything everything 823 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:33.199 that is written about, whether it is a DNA, whether it's a languages, 824 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:40.880 whether it's geology, whether it's geological history, all of it indicates that 825 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.960 it came from the center of the Pacific Pacific Ocean. Okay, so right 826 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:47.640 now we don't have anything in the center of the Pacific Ocean. Well, 827 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:53.279 very logically, as Sherlock Holmes would point out, once you have you know, 828 01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:59.600 eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, however unbelievable is true. And 829 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.680 this is the case with the move okay. And that's why that's why I 830 01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.960 wrote the book, because I mean, there was there was just too much 831 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:09.640 information. I had to go and write it down and let other people read 832 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:15.279 it. Do you think that the design of the pyramid maybe originated in move 833 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.159 and there's just some purpose that we don't understand, because I think there's some 834 01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:24.239 scientists that have done tests on the shape of a pyramid and it does have 835 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:30.760 certain properties that reflect and capture energy. And we've had other people on the 836 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:39.600 program that's say that as an example, the Maya built their pyramids over geologically 837 01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:45.880 powerful energy fields called telluric fields, and the pyramids were made to actually enhance 838 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.199 those fields. How they were used once they got up into the pyramid. 839 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:53.760 As one's no one has an idea, it's a lost night. Yeah, 840 01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:56.880 I've read that too, and read very much I've just read, you know, 841 01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:02.239 maybe some mentions of it in relation to uh, the Great Terramid of 842 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.920 Keyops, where they I couldn't understand, you know, it's two technical, 843 01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:15.079 but they claimed that this was probably something that generated some I'm not going to 844 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:20.760 call electricity because apparently it wasn't electricity, it was some other type of energy 845 01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:25.800 and some and somehow or other, we had lost that energy and if we 846 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:30.960 could recover it, you can forget about coal and oil and electricity, because 847 01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:36.960 this energy is something and of course the the the industries would not like it 848 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:42.399 because this energy can be made for almost nothing and would cost virtually nothing for 849 01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:48.520 the people, So obviously they're gonna suppress it, Okay, and then go, 850 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:54.840 let's get esoteric for a minute. Uh, let's talking about spirituality. 851 01:29:55.159 --> 01:30:05.800 Uh. You uh are deeply spiritual person. You're a shaman. And at 852 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:12.079 the beginning of the program, you said that up until church boards work, 853 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:15.479 there was nothing written until two thousand and you felt that there was some kind 854 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:24.640 of an expansion, a vibration that was permeating people to the point where two 855 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:29.560 thousand and after were these books. Do you think that there's something about that, 856 01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:40.159 a vibration, something that is causing people to rethink and revisit Amu and 857 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:45.560 le Maia. Yeah. Let me let me start by talking about spirituality. 858 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:55.920 The word spirituality have been co opted by religion, and I do not feel 859 01:30:56.039 --> 01:31:04.800 that spirituality is religion. Religion has co opted spirituality the Carol Shamans, and 860 01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:12.159 from what I understand, all Shamans are spiritual people. They're not religious people. 861 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:19.359 They are spiritual people. And I want to split that into two parts. 862 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:28.640 One has to do with a creator and your relationship with the Creator and 863 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:33.159 who you are as an individual. I believe, like great many people that 864 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:39.439 we are spirits or souls or whatever you word you want to use it, 865 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:44.000 who are living in physical bodies for whatever reason we're doing it. Okay, 866 01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:47.439 So that's one part of the word spiritual. The other part of the world 867 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:56.720 of the word is the actual things that happen which people call spiritual. So 868 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:02.720 for example, you know, life after death, reincarnate, natural healing, 869 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:11.119 energy, healing, psychic information. You know, these are all sort of 870 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:16.479 dumped into this basket of spiritual. But these things are really halfway between physical 871 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:23.720 and what I just mentioned about spiritual. These are practical things of the spirit 872 01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:27.800 from a practical point of view, I can do a psychic reading and tell 873 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:31.000 a person something that they did not know. Or I can verify something that 874 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:35.600 a person knew about themselves and I had no way of knowing it. Okay, 875 01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:44.439 I can do a shamanic technique like a surgeon, and I can affect 876 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:53.640 a certain healing for that person. Okay, I can. I can move 877 01:32:56.199 --> 01:33:01.159 attached spirits, spirits of earthbound people that are attached to them. I can 878 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:05.039 move them off this person and move them into the light. That's not really 879 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:10.479 a spiritual thing in the first terms that I mentioned. This has nothing to 880 01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:15.479 do with God and my relationship with God and who I am. So these 881 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:19.479 things that I am mentioning have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. There's 882 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:24.960 nothing unique about what I do. It has existed for hundreds of thousands of 883 01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:31.920 years. And as a man, I think probably got destroyed when Mu and 884 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:39.800 Atlantis got destroyed. Okay, I don't think it was deliberately suppressed by anybody. 885 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:45.920 It's simply got lost because the people who survived Atlantis and Mu had only 886 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.800 one thing on their mind. I've got to survive. My wife and my 887 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:53.359 kids have got to survive. The heck, with all the other stuff we've 888 01:33:53.399 --> 01:34:01.439 got to survive. According to church, word cannibalism came about as a result 889 01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:05.439 of these These people were stuck on these peaks of mountains in the middle of 890 01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:11.319 the Pacific, with no food to eat, no animals, and they had 891 01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:15.000 to survive somehow, so they ate each other. This was not a necessity. 892 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:20.119 This was not because these people are quote savages. This was sheer necessity, 893 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:26.479 just like the Donner Party in the United States who got trapped in a 894 01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:32.079 storm and they ate a couple of people. So these things all of a 895 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:35.520 lot of the problems that have come about, and a lot of the information 896 01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:40.760 that's been suppressed or lost, I should say, have come about because of 897 01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:45.039 the destruction of Moo and Atlantis. Now, going back to your question, 898 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:55.279 I was I was not a religious person. I never went to I never 899 01:34:55.319 --> 01:35:00.560 belonged to any religion, never practiced any religion. And all of a sudden, 900 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:05.239 in nineteen seventy eight, my younger son was lost at sea, and 901 01:35:05.359 --> 01:35:15.000 suddenly I was drawn to all these so called spiritual techniques and practices and information 902 01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:19.159 and so on. At the same time, this is in nineteen seventy eight, 903 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:25.079 at the same time, looking back in the nineteen seventies there was an 904 01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:31.800 explosion of paperback books on metaphysical things, on various kinds of spiritual practices, 905 01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:41.760 and on just spiritual matters as I defined it earlier. And so Edgar Casey 906 01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:48.800 actually said that the calendar is incorrect, and the twenty first century started in 907 01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:58.880 nineteen thirty one, So we are we've actually been in the twenty first century 908 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:08.359 for a seventy nine eighty five years. So the this millennium is intended, 909 01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:14.319 according to esoteric records, to be a spiritual one. You wouldn't know it 910 01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:18.279 by what's going on today. But if you look at what's going on in 911 01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:23.199 the world, you'll see the despite all the nasty things that are happening, 912 01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:29.039 there are some very positive things that are happening also, especially in the United 913 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.840 States. And despite all the things that are wrong still, you know, 914 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:39.960 with certain things in our country, like our race relationship and our economic distribution 915 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:48.000 of wealth, other things have changed definitely for the better. Okay, I 916 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.880 mean, we don't have we don't have child labor anymore, women aren't property 917 01:36:53.920 --> 01:37:00.760 anymore, women have the right to vote, minorities have civil rights, and 918 01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:04.920 you have in law voting rights. Etc. Etc. So there are still 919 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:11.640 things wrong, but if you look at the broad span of this country and 920 01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:17.159 of the world, things are more spiritual. They're nowhere near what they should 921 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.520 be, but they are more spiritual now. One of the things, in 922 01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:24.880 relation to the original question that I ran across, and I can't give you 923 01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:29.479 any more than just a mention, because that's all I found. I found 924 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:34.680 to mention somewhere that the navel of the world, the so called heart chakra 925 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:41.439 of the world, was in Tibet for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands 926 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:48.159 of years. Now, this energy in Tibet was a masculine, intellectual mental 927 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:54.439 energy. Sometime in the last few years, maybe around two thousand, I 928 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:59.439 don't know exactly what the date was, that navel of the world or that 929 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:08.560 heart Intibet moved and it moved to Peru. And now it is not generating 930 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:16.239 the intellectual male energy. It is generating heart energy and feminine energy. So 931 01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:21.159 this is going to cause a tremendous change in the world. And you can 932 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:28.720 see it reflected in the United States by the roles that women are beginning or 933 01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:35.039 hand have been assuming in the last thirty forty years. You can see feminine 934 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:42.960 interest. The other thing that I ran across is a legend that when the 935 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:51.720 Condor of South America pairs up with the Eagle of the United States, then 936 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:57.279 the new millennium will start. Well, the Condor is heart centered, the 937 01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:03.000 Eagle is intellectually centered. So what this is saying is when we combine our 938 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:12.039 intellect with our heart, then we'll start becoming new people. And one of 939 01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:18.600 the things that's involved in my shamanic training and the rights that I get I 940 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:28.920 got was that these rights are intended to create a new human being, which 941 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:39.079 Alberto Violdo calls Homo illuminous, the illuminated human, the illuminated human. And 942 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:45.720 this is not just you know, an emotionally or spiritual illuminated person. His 943 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:50.079 belief in mine also and many others, and you've probably heard this also, 944 01:39:50.960 --> 01:40:00.119 is that once we get a certain level of spiritual evolvement of the human and 945 01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:06.600 race, the entire planet will change its vibratory rate and will become less less 946 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:13.079 physical and less material oriented. Okay, And I think that, and I 947 01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:21.079 think that legend and Alberto's and these rights of the Carol reflect that amazing so 948 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:29.319 to my mind, and it's in the Veda's ancient Hindu doctrines and the Yugas 949 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:33.479 is that this is a cyclic situation. We've probably been here, this this 950 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:40.560 this evolution before hundreds of thousands of years ago, maybe millions of years ago, 951 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:45.720 you know, And that's really the challenge I see. I'm I used 952 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:51.079 to be very frustrated at our sciences for poo pooing ancient civilizations because there was 953 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.880 no documents. But luckily we do have some ruins. But it's it's a 954 01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:00.359 subtle energy kind of a thing. It's a it's a subtle orient intation that 955 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:09.479 we're receiving. We're being bathed with unseen vibrational energy that's changing us, it's 956 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:15.000 evolving us. So we can't we're not on a level to understand it because 957 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:17.960 we don't have the technology to measure it yet. It's just that we have 958 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:21.359 to see it. We see it in our kids, and we see it 959 01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:28.520 in glimmers of hope with what people are doing. But I guess, I 960 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:32.880 guess it's a little challenging for a lot of us, including me. I 961 01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:39.680 had one example of what you're talking about. It was really made me sit 962 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:45.079 up and take notice. I had a woman who got me started on my 963 01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:50.479 spiritual path. And her name is Marianne Starnes, and she's a minister of 964 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:57.439 a church, but she's also an extraordinary psychic and shee was my first spiritual 965 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:02.560 teacher. And she said this was about in nineteen seventy eight. She said 966 01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:08.880 that the children that are being born at that time, she said, these 967 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:16.039 are extraordinary children and they will change the world. And I started up, 968 01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:19.840 you know, I said yeah, yeah, okay. And then right around 969 01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:25.640 that time I went I met this young woman in an Edward Casey group and 970 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:30.840 got to be friends with her. And she had two small daughters. I 971 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:35.479 think one was about three years old, three three and a half years old, 972 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:43.199 one was about six something like that. And one afternoon I had never 973 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:46.079 met them. In one afternoon, I went over to I don't know, 974 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:51.000 give her something or get something from her to her place, and she went 975 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:55.359 to get the cup of tea for me, and while she was doing that, 976 01:42:55.479 --> 01:43:00.319 these two little girls are start talking to me. Three and six. 977 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:06.720 I'm talking to them for about five minutes, and by that time they were 978 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:14.000 the adult and I was the child. I mean, I mean, these 979 01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:18.279 two little girls just made my hair stand up. Really, I mean, 980 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.399 they were. I can't I can't describe it. All I can say is 981 01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:26.880 that they were just they were talking to me in a level that no child 982 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:30.479 talks. Okay, I mean they weren't using aldo language. But what they 983 01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:33.800 were telling me, or what they were saying, or what they were discussing 984 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:38.079 at three and six, I mean, I have never heard of three and 985 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:44.439 six year old say before. So she said, you know a lot of 986 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:49.880 people, a lot of the very spiritual people. I assume that many of 987 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:56.439 these people had finished their cycle on earth and are coming back as a service 988 01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:02.800 to mankind. Are coming back, and a lot of them are really have 989 01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:09.880 been reincarnating since you know, mid seventies and so in mid seventies, so 990 01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:14.479 that makes them about thirty five years old. And so we should start seeing 991 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:17.520 some very interesting things in the next ten twenty years, because these people are 992 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:21.279 going to take over the world. Well, those are that that would be 993 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:32.279 the age group known as the millennials and so and and that group apparently is 994 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:38.079 the up and coming people out here in California, here in the Bay Area. 995 01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:44.199 The millennials are the ones who are running the Googles and the Yahoo's and 996 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:51.279 a lot of the fantastic startups developing software applications for iPhones and for computers and 997 01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:56.960 things like that. But that's pretty hard evidence that there's some subtlety that I'm 998 01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:01.439 waiting to see. And so, uh, that's that's good news. That's 999 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:06.520 good news, George. It's been a great honor, and I want to 1000 01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:13.359 thank you for your contribution move the first great civilization. And I want to 1001 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:18.239 remind people that doctor George Schwimmer, my guest today, has also written quite 1002 01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:25.760 a few other books psychic awareness, energy work. He's done a lot of 1003 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:33.079 written a lot and all these books are available as downloadable digital books on Amazon. 1004 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:38.760 And I really encourage you, encourage my audience who is listening to this 1005 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:44.600 program, to go and download George's books. Quit quite well written. Uh 1006 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:49.359 there there composed in a situation, if you don't have a Kindle reader, 1007 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:56.079 you can use the Amazon readers that are all free, or you can download 1008 01:45:56.119 --> 01:46:01.479 a reader that allows you to see and read and see the images in George's 1009 01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:11.359 books without any kind of additional payment or technology needs. Most computers today, 1010 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:15.720 if you're at least running Windows seven, even XP I believe, which is 1011 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:25.520 old now, will run a digital file for an e book. So so 1012 01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:30.640 George, Thank you very much. I've really enjoyed our conversation. Is there 1013 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:32.640 any any new books that you can tell us about that that are on the 1014 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:38.880 cusp? Well, I just wrote one book which has nothing to do with 1015 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:46.159 the spirituality. Okay, you want me to mention that, Yeah, that's 1016 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:53.760 fine. It's about Lee Harvey Oswald, the man who was supposedly killed John 1017 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:59.680 Kennedy, and I wound up doing the same sort of research that I did 1018 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.720 for this move book. I didn't intend to write a book. It's just 1019 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:08.479 I got curious about him one day and I started reading about him, and 1020 01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:15.640 it's there's no doubt whatsoever that the Warrant Commission with a pack of lies, 1021 01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:20.159 and that they framed him and that they murdered him. And so I wrote 1022 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:25.680 this book and it's called The Truth Behind the Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald. 1023 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:29.600 So that's my latest one. That's the only book I've written that's not spiritual. 1024 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:35.399 Okay, fantastic. Well, thanks again and again. You can find 1025 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:42.399 all George's books on Amazon. They're all digital e books. And perhaps, 1026 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:47.159 as you say, we are all slowly becoming homo aluminous beings. I think 1027 01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:53.880 it's something to consider be nice to have some technology to be able to measure 1028 01:47:54.000 --> 01:48:01.800 that. So thanks again, George, thank you. You know. I 1029 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:08.880 was thinking of William Niven as I was listening to this with George Schwimer. 1030 01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:14.000 It's a good book. It's very packed with details. It has an aspect 1031 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:19.359 of spirituality, which I like because apparently the le Marians were highly spiritual. 1032 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:29.039 Meditation was daily ritual for them. They were much more in touch with the 1033 01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:35.000 outer realms like the Akashic records. Edgar Casey talks about them to connected with 1034 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:41.800 the Akashic records and other dimensions that we don't talk about today that we occasionally 1035 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:50.039 hear from various Tibetan lineage. Various Swamis will talk about, various Hindu gurus 1036 01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:57.039 will speak about it. And so when you are constantly meditating in your reaching 1037 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:03.520 and working to connect with nirvana, which is another word for heaven, there's 1038 01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:09.760 a lot of different layers to that, and you find elements of Moo or 1039 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:15.560 le Maria in those in those those seek to know more, so, I 1040 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:20.399 you know, and the Niven hieroglyphs are not discussed enough, they really aren't 1041 01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:29.960 there considered pseudoscience by most archaeologists, which is a real damning thing because it 1042 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:39.680 shuts down another avenue to the miserable American culture of Mexico and Central America. 1043 01:49:39.880 --> 01:49:43.960 And you know, it's not going to be in this current generation, but 1044 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:50.600 the future generations, as we've learned from doctor Steves in Canada, are going 1045 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:58.119 to seek out oral traditions more readily, and then there'll be verification way methods 1046 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:05.680 to see and and complete lines of data and we'll be able to trace it. 1047 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:13.319 So William Nevin looked that name up. Niv e n fascinating guy. 1048 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.920 And again, if you get any of the church Ward books on MoU Niven's 1049 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:29.920 artifacts are in there. By the way, there's another very very anomalous feature 1050 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:36.199 he excavated. I think it was down to about thirty feet and in various 1051 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:45.159 layers that he was excavating, there's asphalt roads, there's cement, and you 1052 01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:50.000 know how I talk about the various epochs, Well, this is great proof 1053 01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:55.720 of various epochs. I think he I think he goes down. I want 1054 01:50:55.760 --> 01:51:00.640 to guess at like twenty eight to thirty two plus thousand years. According to 1055 01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:04.760 him, they didn't have carbon dating back then. But he talks about it 1056 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:11.239 in the twenty thousand range or more. And I don't remember how he came 1057 01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:17.800 up with those numbers, but can you imagine somebody digging a trench and seeing 1058 01:51:18.039 --> 01:51:25.159 the civilizations that go back ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty 1059 01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:30.960 thousand years, and in each phase there's a cement road, an asphalt road, 1060 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:40.680 a mortar road. I mean, they got to break these university traditions 1061 01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:46.199 of not being open to the possibilities of truly ancient people. This hunter gatherer 1062 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:51.079 thing has just gotten out of controls. It's just so limiting. And you 1063 01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:55.840 know, you go to school, you get a bachelor's degree for four years, 1064 01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:58.760 then you stay around and you get a master's degree for two more years, 1065 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:00.960 and then you hang our two or three or four more years to get 1066 01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:06.520 a PhD. And you're indoctrinated. You are so locked in. This is 1067 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:13.479 why you know Ed Barnhardt and Jendeo and the other people we have on the 1068 01:52:13.520 --> 01:52:21.520 show are typically more transparent and more open and more available to talk about other 1069 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:27.760 points of view. You shut it down in the matter that we're currently shutting 1070 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:35.079 it down with these National Geographic and Smithsonian constipated versions of history. We're screwed 1071 01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:45.039 if we follow that we are screwed because we are throwing thousands of years of 1072 01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:51.880 unknown civilizations, unknown inventions, unknown information about our past out the window. 1073 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:56.640 And that's just not right. We can't do that. So anyhow, I 1074 01:52:56.640 --> 01:53:01.000 hope you enjoyed that. George Schwimer get his book Moved, the First Great 1075 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:06.119 Civilization. It's a good read. I remember I have it in my bookshelf. 1076 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:11.800 Obviously, it's a quick purchase on Amazon, so check it out. 1077 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:16.640 Hey, we're going to Egypt. This is the Grand Egyptian Tour, number 1078 01:53:16.680 --> 01:53:25.000 five. It is happening April twenty eight through May nine. We see some 1079 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.479 of the most amazing ancient sites. And you know, I gotta tell you, 1080 01:53:29.239 --> 01:53:34.560 it's becoming more evident that these temples we go to truly are ageless. 1081 01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:44.680 They have been repurposed after being established most likely forty fifty sixty thousand years ago. 1082 01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:48.760 Muhammed puts out dates of eighty thousand BC. That's kind of scary, 1083 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:55.119 but I mean I kind of accepted it. But anyhow, we see these 1084 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:59.399 amazing temples, we do a short meditation, we go in, we go 1085 01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:02.960 to the the who's who of ancient Egypt. We have a blast for more 1086 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:09.439 information and this is filling up really quickly. Go to earth Ancients dot com, 1087 01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:14.439 Forward slash Tours t O U r S. Look for the banner, 1088 01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:17.640 click it, get your deposit in. If you have any questions whatsoever, 1089 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:25.279 send me an email to Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com. I'll 1090 01:54:25.279 --> 01:54:29.000 get right back to you with any questions. That's half full. We're gonna 1091 01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:33.800 be doing Turkey in August of twenty twenty four, and of course if you 1092 01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:38.840 still feel you can join us. In November of this year, we're doing 1093 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:45.600 our our regular Maya tour. It's November tenth through the seventeenth, and we 1094 01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:50.520 will be visiting some amazing places. All this information is on earth Ancients dot 1095 01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:57.359 com, Forward slash Tours t O U r S. All right, that's 1096 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:00.600 it for today's program. I want to thank my guest today, George Swimmer. 1097 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:04.399 That was great as always a team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, 1098 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:12.039 Chris Hazel and everyone else. Thank you, Thank you, and I appreciate 1099 01:55:12.119 --> 01:55:15.119 your help. All right, take care of you will and we will talk 1100 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:15.000 to you next time.