You know, I'm fascinated by the lost forgotten land known as Moo or Le
Maria, And this week we are bringing back a archival presentation by author George
Schwimmer in his book Moo The First Great Civilization. This is a look at
how it was developed, the people there, what their lifestyle was like,
and we're talking over one hundred thousand years ago, and a lot of other
amazing evidence for the migration from this ancient place to the Americas. This is
a native tradition that is discussed because it is obviously oral tradition and not from
any documents that we know of today. The First Great Civilization known as MoU.
All this and more today on Earth Ancients Special Edition The Archives for Wednesday,
August twenty three, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients Special Edition
The Archives. I'm your host, Cliff Donning. Hey, how are you?
And welcome to Earth Ancients Special Edition The Archives. And yeah, we
went in and we pulled a goodie from July fourth, twenty fifteen, Moo
the First Great Civilization, and the author at that time was George Schwimmer.
He was coming to us from the United States, and I was fascinated with
I continue to be fascinated with Moo because there is a great deal of native
tradition around this continent in the Pacific. If you remember, we have had
Clifford Mahoodi, the Zuni Elder, on the program a number of different times
describing the Great Trek from the Great Island of MoU otherwise known as Lemuria,
into northern Mexico and then eventually arriving into New Mexico, Arizona, California,
southwestern United States. And this is approximately twenty eight thousand years ago, and
of course we don't have any evidence in terms of dating. We have a
great deal of oral traditions around it, which is very very important. We
have, according to Clifford, we have a number of artifacts that have been
dated in the early teens eleven to twelve thousand years old. I can't remember
if they were potshards or they were jewelry or something, but he has made
a number of claims. In fact, he passed away by the way,
he passed away last year suddenly. It was kind of a shock and left
us with his legacy, which is wonderful. But he was in the middle
of writing a book, and part of this book was on the native legacy
of Lemuria. And within this book he had a anthropology student who I'm still
going to look into, reporting on artifacts that had been carbon dated to several
thousands of years, and we're talking an Azazi people, were talking Zuni Novajo,
some of the very earliest people who arrived in the United States. Now,
the beauty of the story of Le Maria is, and we're gonna talk
about this today, is the fact that a archaeologist in Mexico, William Nivid
and I've n was excavating a ruin in Mexico and this is in the late
eighteen hundreds and found a number of fascinating hieroglyphics from an unknown civilization. The
story goes that James Churchward, who wrote extensively about Moo and Lemoria, had
seen similar stones and symbology in Tibet when he traveled there and connected it with
Moo. So where those artifacts went, we don't have a clue. If
you are interested in learning more about Lemuria and Moo same place, get James
Churchwood's books on move. He's got three of them and they're just perfectly having
your library if you get them. There are a number of renderings and I
think there's one or two photographs of these hieroglyphs, and they're really all we
had. Now, current archaeologists dismiss this evidence. They believe that it is
a North American based civilization and that there isn't really any valid proof that there
ever was a Lemorria. This goes back to guests like doctor Paulette Steve's a
Native American archaeologist who is using oral traditions and numerous different native people's language to
verify facts like this. In her case, she's verifying very very old plasticine
settlements in North America that are older than one hundred thousand years, And this
is another book she's going to be bringing out. But when we look at
Clifford Mahoudi, when we look at Wallace black Elk, when we look at
Barreros and Humbot's men and all, each one of them has talked about a
great migration from the continent of Moo or Le Maria to the Americas and then
the settlements. Now, there's a also a good deal of evidence that the
Maya, the people who eventually became the Maya, migrated in part to Mexico
and the Yucatan region and settled at places like Chichiitza, Coba Ushball, and
a lot of other places like that. And then we can get in there
and also say the places places like to call and so forth and so on.
It's really a challenge when we have our archaeologist shut the door on oral
traditions, because they offer us so much information that really can begin putting a
picture together as to where the Maya came from. It's my belief and what
was handed down to me by my native friends, most notably Hunbought's men and
Carlos Barreros, who wrote extensively about my and migrations in his book speak of
the Great Age and the migrations. And so as we begin looking at this
piecing together these oral traditions, we're gonna learn a lot about the Maya.
We're gonna learn a lot about the Aztecs, and a great deal about meso
American Central American native people and how they got there and how they developed.
So I'm not going to be in the near future because they're not teaching Native
traditions in the universities and college They're they're blindsiting these students. They're not allowing
them to look at the people who are living there right now. I mean
there's there's millions of indigenous Maya living in Mexico and in Central America right now,
millions. And the real and I mentioned this all the time, the
real, real challenge in working with Orthodoxy is that it's like working with the
Mexican government. The Maya don't want to do that. And there is evidence
of sacred books that could be used to decode some of the hieroglyphs, some
of the Mayan history, some of the Maya language. So today we're speaking
on Lemuria at what happened there, the sophistication of it. When we talk
about Lemuria, we have to also mention Nan Medal. We've had a number
of people on the program speaking on man Medal. This is this Pacific island,
small, tiny, but there is megalithic stonework there. There is hieroglyphics
that have not been decoded or translated. There is a great deal of evidence
around super ancient, significantly old civilizations that settled there over a period of millennia,
thousands and thousands of years. So one group would die off, another
group would come and settle and so there has been a great deal of modifications
done to that site. In fact, you know this has been This recording
was done in twenty fifteen. Since that time, there are a number of
books on Lemuria on Man Medal. Also, another suspicious place is Easter Island
off the coast of Chile in the Pacific Ocean. Robert schock As has been
there and written extensively. Our own doctor Edwin Barnhardt has been there and he
has written about it. I'm thinking of going there in a year or two,
so we might put together a tour Dakota Eastern Island. It's just fascinating.
We'll tie in a lot of places on the Pacific portion of South America
if we do that. So that's that's uh, those are all considerations.
Now Here is a short clip from Unexplained on Lemuria. I'm i'm I did
some work with Unexplained, but this is uh not me. This is going
to be Andrew Collins, Hugh Newman, and Robert church Ward speaking on the
Lemurian hypothesis, what's been found, what evidence is out there, and also
quite a bit on Nan Medal. One of the most intriguing lost continents is
a land mask that is believed to have once existed in the Pacific Ocean,
a mythical land that is known as the First Us and to write extensively about
the lost Continent of MW was a Scottish writer by the name of James Churchwood.
In the nineteenth century. He was in India when he visited a monastery
and the monks there had records apparently tablets, that referred to this place called
MW. That was this huge continent that supposedly existed from Hawaii in the north
down to Easter Island in the southeast, right the way across to Micronesia in
the west, and the people there were supposedly called the Nakau. The continent
of MW thrived perhaps fifty thousand years ago and was sunk beneath the waves,
possibly at the end of the Last Ice Age. Magre grandfather James Churchward eventually
he became friends with the Rishi of the temple that he visited in India,
and the rishi's mentioned that he was a member of the Nikall Brotherhood, the
holders of wisdom and knowledge of the Lost Continent of Mu. There were mighty
navigators and sailors and established civilization in other parts of the world. According to
James Churchward. The Nicall civilization had a population of more than sixty million people
at its peak, before a massive volcanic cataclyst caused moved to vanish beneath the
waters. Sover, no evidence of the Lost Continents has been found on the
ocean floor, but some researchers claimed that incredibly, a tiny remnant of mu
may still exist above water today on an island located in a remote part of
the Pacific Ocean, roughly twenty five hundred miles northeast of Australia, by the
ruins of a once great ancient city, Nanmadal. Nanmadal is a complex of
man made islands built with massive stone blocks that float atop a submerged coral reef.
So as you approach Nanmadal, there are a series of islands and they're
built actually on coral, the only place in the world where this actually occurs.
And you've got all these incredible structures made of these prismatic blocks. At
Namadal, you have these ridiculous basalt columns. They're huge, some of them
up to like forty tons even more. In some cases. Some of them
are raised very high up in the air. On the very top levels so
there's a real problem when it comes to try and to understand how they moved
these millions of tons of basalt columns. One of the biggest mysteries surrounding Nanmadal
is that nobody really knows who constructed it. But there's some very strange stories
about how the city came into existence. For instance, one of the stories
talks about it being constructed by so called master builders turning up and using a
magical fouls to raise the blocks into the air and put them into place,
almost as if they could levitate these blocks. Some people actually suggested that maybe
nan Medal was the last remnant of Moo that was still above water, and
it was simply indicative of what had sunk beneath the waves from this advanced civilization.
Nanmadal's in Micronesia, so it fit the correct general area, and this
is one reason people thought in terms of mood when it comes to looking for
this lost continant of mood, places like Nammadon really do suggest that it could
be much more down there than we realize. On the bottom of the ocean.
It's hard to picture an entire continent with people living on it simply vanishing
into the sea. And yet all over the world there are legends of lost
civilizations that were swallowed up by the oceans. But could such legends actually be
true? Now, I want to mention that we will be visiting some very
very old Mayan sites on our annual Maya tour that's going to be held November
tenth through the seventeenth. We meet in Villa Harmosa and visit Leventev, which
is an OMEC site. But then we take a I think it's about two
and a half hour drive to Chiapas and see one of the grand cities of
the ancient Maya, which is Polank. And it's said that Polank was continually
settled for thousands and thousands of years, and it's likely that the some of
the migrants from Lemuria are stationed there. I'll tell you that later at another
time. Some of the traditions that go back and describe Plank as a center
point for people who are migrating from other parts of the world. So,
all right, So today's program is MoU the First Great Civilization, and my
guest is George Schwimmer. Hey, you guys probably remember I think it was
about a month and a half ago when my guest was doctor Danny, not
a wig Ja Ja, who is the geologist and the responsible archaeologists who's excavating
the Indonesian pyramid known as Ganan Penang. And one of the real interesting features
of this was that, first of all, doctor Danny, Danny was telling
us that every bit of research was verified and they were doing pretty substantial C.
Fourteen or age testing carbon dating, And what made this ancient ruin this
pyramid quite unique was they were getting dates back as far back as twenty thousand
years ago. I think one of the dates was twenty thousand years ago.
And the engineering prowess involved in this, in the design of this pyramid included
various rooms, various levels that have been built up over thousands and thousands of
years. And I even believe he had discussed that they had used certain equipment
that could measure certain types of radiation that we're coming out of the center of
the building pyramid, and Danny wrote a book and felt that it was potentially
part of much older civilization in Pacific. And what we do know is and
what we've heard about, and we've heard about it from people like Colonel James
Churchward in his books on Lemario or MoU is that there was apparently a sophisticated
culture that lived in the Pacific on this massive continent, and over a period
of time the landmass was destroyed by various tectonic shifts that basically collapsed it.
But there really hasn't been, other than Churchward's work, any really solid material
or new books on MOO. And this is why my guest today is presenting
some very very interesting research on what he has discovered. Now, my guest
today is George Schwimmer. He is a hairy, was a theater director for
thirty years, as well as teaching theater at two colleges in university. He
later studied film at UCLA Extension and was a VP of development for a Los
Angeles TV station. After he did that, for the next thirty five years,
he studied and practiced life therapy, spirit releasement, ray key, past
life readings, and shamanic healings. And he's going to tell us a little
bit about his shamanic work. But I think the unique part of what George
brings to the plate on MoU is that he believes that this is quite verifiable
on a number of levels. And we're going to hear about what he has
discovered. George, welcome, Welcome to the program. How are you today?
Thank you, Cliff, good to be with him. Yeah. So
the complete title of this work that you've done is MoU the first great civilization
and its connection to Peru, New Mexico, the Hopie, and the Santa
Fe. I mean, first of all, I mean we talked a little
bit before the show. Why should we be interested in a lost continent that
is twenty thirty forty one hundred thousand years old. Is there some connection that
we need to be interested in. Well, that's sort of an interesting question.
Actually, just got through talking about the ancient civilizations on Mars. I
think the main reason is that, for some probably political reason, it's the
best word I can think of, the establishments around the world for the last
several thousand years have been suppressing information. I don't know why they've been doing
that. The only thing I can figure out is that it came out of
the various religions, which were of course invented, and the priests in these
religions use the suppression of information to control the people who they wanted to control.
And that's the only thing I can think of because it is bizarre how
scientists keep misrepresenting the history of the Earth and keep ignoring and suppressing information that
is factual. It's not even theoretical, it is factual. So I can't
really tell you why why this has taken place with my background, though,
you were talking about the fourth of July, and that sort of sparked something
in my head that I hadn't thought about before. And both Moo and Atlantis
not only collapsed physically a geologically and went into the ocean, but they collect
the civilizations collapsed because the people who were ruling and running these countries kept becoming
more and more corrupt and greedy and power hungry. And when I think about
that, and I think about the present political and economic situation in the United
States, it gives me a little bit of a worry because this is the
kind of progression that took place in both Atlantis and move where the spiritual aspect
of the countries were eroded and after a while, the only thing people cared
about was money and power. And it seems to me that that's the same
sort of thing that's happening in the United States right now. And the other
thing that sparked in my head when you were talking about the fourth of July,
was that from a spiritual point of view, it's very possible. A
lot of people have said that the United States as a spiritual experiment, and
this spiritual experiment could be a sort of a replaying of what should have happened
with the societies of Moon and Atlantis but didn't. And so you know,
we have to be hopeful that we're not going to wind up the same way
as Moon and Atlantis did. That that's fascinating thought. I think I remember
reading a passage from Edgar Casey's book that there was two factions in Atlantists that
fought constantly, and one was a very highly spiritual group and another one was
maybe more focused on the material wealth of the times, and it was an
ultimate demise of the of the of the of the country. Yeah, that
that is correct, The technologists one. I had an interesting experience with that.
Just if I mentioned this quickly. When I was doing past life therapy,
I had a client who lived in Atlantis when it was in its final
stages of destruction, and she described exactly what you just said, that there
were two groups of people, one spiritually oriented and the others who were scientific
and apparently very stubborn, and eventually she and a lot of the other spiritual
people left and the Atlantis, the last of Atlantis, were destroyed by the
scientists and military by their misuse of lasers. Wow, let's talk a little
bit about this wonderful book that you wrote. In the introduction of the book,
you describe your shamanic initiation into the is I'm going to see it as
quero caro, Yeah, okay, you could you pronounce a k e r
o okay, k r o karro shamanic rites of passage, and that you
said that this was the trigger point in the beginning of your interests in the
discovery and the background of Move. What did the shaman of the prew area
where you receive your initiation tell you about move? It was there some form
of history that was presented, or was it more that the rituals were tens
of thousands of years old and that was the trigger point. Nobody ever talked
about MOVE, which is kind of interesting. But I was given these part
part of the training was getting these nine sacred rights, and they're not just
symbolic, they have very practical purposes which I won't get into because it's too
long a story. But after I got these rights, which some of them
were really magical, our leading instructor, doctor Alberto Violdo, who has been
working and studying with the Carol Shamans for close to thirty years now, he's
an anthropologist, and he said he thought these rights went back one hundred one
hundred thousand years. And I thought one hundred thousand years? Where did that?
Where did that come from? And that just kept bugging me, you
know. And I started these studies back in two thousand and five, and
for the next five to seven or eight years, this question kept periodically coming
up my mind, and I kept thinking, where in God's name could these
have come from? What existed? What human civilization existed one hundred thousand years
ago? I didn't know of anything except Atlantis. And then I remember it
also that there had been this continent of civilization of what most people called Lemuria,
except I'd never read anything about It was just mentions in one book or
another, one esoteric book or another. Then I recalled that Edward Casey had
had a handful of readings that mentioned people from Lemuria Ormu, and then the
back of my head. I suddenly remembered years and years ago, I had
run across a mention of a Colonel James church Word, who had written five
books. I didn't know what it was five books then, but had written
about MoU. And so I went online and I went to Amazon, and
sure enough there was James church Word and he had written five books on MoU.
And I found one offer where offered five copies of paperbacks of his books,
and I bought those and I read them, and it just sort of
sort of, you know, lit up this bulb in my head, and
I thought, oh, okay. And the immediate connection that I made was
that MoU was a very spiritual society and a great many probably most of the
ruins that are attributed to Mu or to people who went to other parts of
the world. Their buildings were temples, so which tells us, you know,
that they were very spiritual. Well, this connects with my Karo Shamans.
Now everybody thinks that the Karo are descendants of the Inca, but they're
not. In fact, most of the Inca Empire. For most people who
have read this already know most of the people in the Inca Empire weren't Inca.
The Inca conquered neighboring tribes and civilizations and cities and whatever, and either
conquered the militarily or peacefully incorporated them into their empire. And so the ancestors
of the Karo Shamans were called Laika laik eight and that means what's the word
now, keepers of wisdom. And so I made this connection between the Laika
and Moo. It was just an intellectual connection. I had nothing to base
it on, but I decided, I'm going to go online, and I'm
going to go down to Amazon and see if I can find any books about
MoU. Well, as you point out, there has been very little written
about MoU as a entire book, but there are books that have chapters that
deal with aspects of Moo. And what I found interesting about that is that
almost all of these books have been published in two thousand. James church Word
published his book on MoU in nineteen twenty eight, and then he published his
other books in the next two or three years, and virtually nothing was written
for the next seventy years. And all of a sudden, now people are
writing about Move since the turn of the century. So that's why do you
think that is why? Yeah, why would you think that starting in two
thousand this would be a resurgence of interest in in Mu. I can only
say it comes from a spiritual aspect, because why why did I get interested
in Move? I had no reason to. I had absolutely no reason to
get interested in Move. You know, I've spent a great thirty five years
of my life involved in all kinds of other metaph metaphysical things, and I
knew nothing about Mu and had no interest in shamanism. I had no interest
in Mu. All of a sudden, I'm interested in shamanism. All of
a sudden, I get interested in finding out, you know, what the
origins of this are and of Moo are. I don't know. It's a
spiritual thing, and I don't I can't really explain to you completely. I
can give you a couple of guesses. I get some guesses, but that's
all I can do. Okay, So George, let's let's help our audience
those of don't know about le Mari or Mut. Can he give us a
little primer? What where was MoU? What is just a little historic overview
would be great before we dive into some details. According to Church, let
me just mentioned something about James church Ward. He was a military man in
the British Army. He was sent to India. I guess he was somewhere
around in the eighteen seventies, and he apparently had some time on his hand,
and he got interested in temple carvings and what the symbols meant. And
he met a priest at one of these temples, and the priest noticed that
the Churchward was interested in these symbols, and so he started tutoring church Word
about the symbols and what they meant and so on. And then the course
of that, he mentioned that in the temple there were these ancient tablets that
went way back in time, and of course Churchwood got very interested immediately,
and the priests refused to show them to him, and Churchword kept on coming
up with different ploys to get the priests to show him the tablets, and
finally the priests that, okay, I'll show you a couple. And so
he brought a couple out from storage to somewhere deep under the temple and read
the inscriptions. This man knew how to read these inscriptions on these tablets.
And not only did church Word get fascinated but the priests got fascinated, so
then they went and unpacked all of these tablets over a period I guess of
months or maybe even longer. And this is where all his information came from.
Okay, so that's the background. Now people discount the scientific community.
He discounts Church Were because he didn't reference, he didn't footnote his books,
and he refused to say where the temple was located because the priest was afraid
that if the location were revealed then people would come and steal them or destroy
them or whatever, which had been done before at other temples. So Church
were. Couldn't you make himself believable to the scientific community, although if you
read his books, it's very obvious that you know he's not making this stuff
up. So anyway, according to him, the continent of Amu was a
huge continent. I forget the exact amount of it. Was something like five
thousand by three thousand miles I think, is what he said. And it
was not totally connected. There were three three segments, and the three segments
were separated by some bit of water apparently not a great deal, but anyway,
separated a little bit by water, so it wasn't one solid continent.
There were three segments to this continent. According to these tablets, the population
was about sixty four million people, and apparently the continent went this or this
civilization of Moo went back about two hundred thousand years. He didn't get into
and I don't think anybody can even guess at this point what went before,
you know, to create this civilization or have started. But he said that
his feeling was that, you know, the biblical Garden of Eden actually was
on the continent of Moo. And he didn't say, you know, a
man was created on the continent of move, but that's what he mentioned.
So anyways, there was sixty four sixty four million people over you know,
these many millennia. And eventually, as the population grew, either because the
population was getting a little bit big or because people were just adventurous, some
people started going out to other parts of the world, and eventually they created
different societies like Atlantis and India and Indonesia and Japan and so on. And
so if you look at the world map, you see, okay, Moo
was in the middle of the Pacific and people went both east and west right
Okay, Now, one of the interrupted real quickly. One of the things
that you bring up that I have known about and our audience probably doesn't know,
but there's a very very ancient Hindu text called the rig Veda Vedas,
and they give reference to the great civilization. Now they don't say Moo,
but they do give reference to a great civilization that's thousands and thousands of years
old. And I think the audience needs to understand just how old move was
and why in your book you call it the first great civilization. We're talking
tens of thousands of years ago, very very very ancient, what maybe one
hundred thousand years or older? Right, Yeah, I don't know if you
know they started. Churchwood didn't say when they started moving out of Moo to
other countries. But in reference to that document from India, it states that
it was a huge continent to the east of India, which puts it in
the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and it says they were worshipers of the
sun, which is not true, but everybody thinks we can get into the
symbology of that. But the symbol of the sun was very important to move
so maybe that's why they call them sun worshippers. The Churchill says they were
not sun worshippers. The sun was sim a symbol of Mu and a symbol
of the Creator. And according to that Indian document, that continent was destroyed
by volcanoes and tidal waves and left only Indonesia and the Pacific Islands, which
is exactly what happened. So although they don't call it Mu in every other
respect, the Indian document is correct and one of the one of the more
interesting thing. It's just sort of a sidelight, but it's interesting all the
same, particularly with you talking about civilization on Mars. You know, everybody
has this pride in modern civilization that we're the technological civilization. Well, the
records or stories or legends of the Latis and Mu both indicate that both the
people of Mu and the people of Atlantis had fl machines of one kind or
another. And Indian documents also indicate that in the far history of India they
had flying document flying machines, so that that's sort of interesting. They're also
it is, yeah, do we have a sense of the consciousness that they
brought to say Mexico or the present or what was known as Atlantis or other
places. I mean, you talk about them as a peaceful, highly spiritual
group. Obviously they had technology, if they had flying machines, But is
there something about them that is like a trademark to move in terms of their
level of consciousness and what they leave to these other parts of the world that
you discovered. Yeah, you have to. You have to put it into
the context of time and of what happened to Moo. Now, I don't
know what they did when they first came here or other places, but MoU
was destroyed in three epics. One was around fifty thousand BC. The first
segment went under the ocean, second segment went on the ocean around twenty six
or twenty eight thousand BC something like that, and the third one immersion and
the final destruction of Moo came around eleven thousand BC. Now, obviously after
the first destruction and inundation, the people of MoU had to have known that
they were living on a unstable continent and that they were living on borrow time.
All it was many thousands of years. But in any case, they
are apparently emigrating at a greater rate, and when they came to the various
places, and I did not try to find out about places like India or
Indonesia. But I was focused on the west coast of North and South America,
and along that arc they built huge cities, huge temples, massive temples,
and these all reflected the spiritual nature of the people because everywhere and there
are you know, Archaeolgras claimed that we haven't even found all the different cities
or temples or whatever in South America because the jungles of South America are so
dense that you can't even get through. So there are still temples and cities
used to be found somewhere, and they're all similar. So you know,
the idea of a pyramid. You know, if you say pyramid, most
people think of you know, Egypt, but there are pyramids all over the
world, including Europe, and even in the United States there were some so
called pyramids that were made out of dirt. So you know, there is
a structure that is similar all around the world. And these are all temples.
And I say, you know, huge cities which indicate a great technological
expertise by the people who built them. For example, in all of these
places, the stones are cut so exactly that you can't hardly put a hair
between them. They are fitted so closely and nobody can figure about how it
was done. It couldn't have been done, you know, with chisels and
things like that, and uh, you know, I can only guess that
somewhere back then they had some technology and maybe like lasers or whatever, but
nobody can figure out how they were built. They had such a high technology.
And then you're seeing that they were they were megalithic builders. They built
in stone and in rock and hue. So would you say that maybe Cusco
and Sexy Human are remnants of a moose civilization because they are exactly what you're
talking about, extreme precision in megalithic stone work. Right. The next thing
I discovered when I made this connection, I started going on the internet and
I found legends and these egins I found in various places. So I'm assuming
that they are basically oral history. They may not be one hundred percent accurate,
but they present a continuing similar picture. The one I want to focus
on is Tiwanaku tiwaka ya try to pronounce it tiwanaku. And apparently at one
time Tiwanaku was at sea level. It is now at twelve thousand, five
hundred feet. Now, how in God's name, does you know something,
go from sea level to twelve thousand, five hundred feet And according to Church
Word, and this is Church Word had a great habit and his writing of
making fun of scientists, and one of the things that he insisted on in
his books was that the mountains in North and South America and the rest of
the world did not exist before about seventeen thousand DC. According to geologists,
it was millions of years ago, and Church which says nonsense, they came
up about seventeen thousand years ago. Well, that certainly explains why Lake Titicaca
is that twelve thousand, five hundred feet, because it came up with the
mountains along the western edge of North and South America. And that was a
Churchwords theory about it. So the legends say that a man named Amaru Muru,
very high ranking individual in the Moose society, was sent after the first
part of Moose sankins the ocean to create cities, and other people were sent
to create cities to what we now know as South America. But this guy
in particular was sent to the area which is now Peru. And when he
got there, according to legend, he arrived at the what we're already islands
in Lake Titicata, which means that the first inundation that already happened, because
prior to that there had been a huge city which the Hopie right about speak
about, at the bottom of Lake Titicata. The city was named Titicata originally,
and when the inundation came, it became a lake, and the whole
city of Titicata at the bottom of Lake Titicata right now. And they have
found some ruins. They have found some ruins at the bottom of the lake.
So this man apparently came and he created this, all these megalists that
you mentioned, and they were the predecessors of the Inca. And then later
in time the Inca incorporated when they conquered that part of South America, they
incorporated these immigrants from Mu. And originally the people of Mu called themselves children
of the Sun, and the emperor or a king or priest king priest of
Mu was called Ramu, and Ra meant son, and so this is where
the symbol of the sun comes in for Mu. And so the Inca claimed
them the title of children of sons for themselves. And everybody thinks that this
came from the Inca, but it didn't it came from Muh. The Inca
Empire only lasted for about two hundred and fifty years. I think it was
something like thirteen hundred to fifteen thirty three. And so that is the background
of you know where where where it came. It came from move to the
western coast of Peru, lake to Takata and then eventually wound up with the
Inca in Cusco. We're gotta take a short commercial break to give our sponsors
a chance to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today,
George Schwimmer, talking about Lemuria. We'll be right back. I guess
today is George Schwimmer has written a book called Mu The First Great Civilization,
the story of this ancient continent that was in the Pacific Ocean, and we
are getting insight into this book he wrote many years ago. Let me ask
you a question, and this is fascinating. There's a number of research scientists
that are improh have who have discovered anomalous skeletal remains. And I think the
most typically recognizable type of human is this long headed, very very long headed
human that would you say that those are people from the Sun culture of Mu
that you're talking about, or are those just an anomalies because there's so many
of these individuals, and unfortunately we haven't had a real solid analysis of their
skeletal remains other than the cranium, and their brain capacity seems to be between
twenty five and thirty percent larger than what we have today. So do you
have anything to say about that regarding those those remains. Yeah, I believe
that those are probably extraterrestrials. And I'll tell you why. There was,
first of all, a book written which is in my book by a Hopie
elder, and he recounted the far ancient history of the Hopie and he said
that the Hopie originally came from Moo. And along with that, he said,
when these cataclysms started happening, he said, extraterrestrials came and helped his
people when they got to South America and helped them to migrate to Central America,
Mexico and then North America. Now, the same legend exists in Hawaii.
The Hawaii the Native Hawaiians also state that Hawaii was once part of MoU
and that extraterrestrials had helped their people when MoU got into the straits that had
got into at this time now. And Third, the lady who I mentioned,
who I regressed a number of years ago back to Atlantist, also mentioned
that in Atlantist extra terrestrials had been helping the people, and that in her
past life recall she also mentioned that she was taken by some some type of
flying machine out of Atlantis and flown to Egypt, where a lot of the
immigrants from Atlantis went. And this is what created the sudden explosion of culture
and so on and so forth in Egypt, was the influx of all these
intelligent and educated people from Atlantis. So it is quite possible that those skeletons
that you're talking about are extraterrestrials. Okay, In your book, you mentioned
that the land of Lemuria or Moo had pretty much all the cultures that we
see today, the red culture, the yellow, the white. Is it?
I hate what the five cultures of the world were there? Is that?
What is that? What you hadn't I didn't write about cultures, but
all five races were according to Church word, all five races were on in
the continent and civilization of Moot and what's interesting about that, you know,
I mean, I don't know if that's surprising or not, but in any
case, what is surprising and interesting is that when people came and rediscovered Easter
Island, they found three races of people there, and one was white skinned,
one was brown skinned, and one was black skinned. And Easter Island
is only about seven and a half miles by I don't know, ten miles
or something like that. I mean, it's not a very big island.
And how could you have three races on this tiny island? And so it's
very obvious that you had, uh, you know, these people were of
the population of a mood that church Word wrote about. It's fantastic to h
to comprehend because there are civilizations and as an example, I've done a lot
of research in Central America, and here's the Olmic civilization that comes out of
nowhere, completely settled, sophisticated engineering artistically, and there's these gigantic basalt stone
African looking figures as well as Caucasian and quite a few uh Asiatic looking individuals.
So it's a real mix that just shows up, and these are not
It's very hard for scientists to discover a starting point they just arrive. Uh,
and it's like this showed up from some other They did they did?
You mentioned Mexico, and Mexico was the last thing that I discovered. I
didn't really think about Mexico when I was doing my research. I was mainly
focused on North America and Peru and the Pacific rim And then I ran across
something in Church were that I had forgotten about. And he has a diagram
in one of his books that shows that there were three civilizations in Mexico before
the present civilization, and each one apparently was destroyed by volcanic activity followed by
tidal waves and inundation. And one of the things that were found by a
man named Niven who did a lot of this work. He was a self
made researcher and he did a lot of digging in Mexico. Guess they was
back in the twenties, and he found heads little a little stone or clay
statues, and they had all these different races that you're mentioning. And so
apparently before these tremendous obliterations of civilizations, there must have been a tremendous amount
of movement around the planet, and particularly around the what we call a Pacific
rim between societies Oriental and other societies you know, so uh and and you
know the kinds of things like the travels of what was his name, so
high adol pronouncing that right, he's wrong, because they didn't get here through
boats. Moo was according to Edgar Casey, and even according to a legends
when I lived in Santa Barbara, Moo, the eastern coast of Moo touched
what is now the western coast of the United States, and so these people,
you know, there was a lot of trade apparently going on around the
world at that time before all these things started going wrong. Incidentally, one
thing which I didn't get into because I don't know enough about the geology,
and I don't want to get into that, but is pertinent about all this,
and I recalled it from a little geology of course I took when I
was in college, is that the central portion of the United States was an
inland sea at one time, and much of the North American continent was you
know, marshy, and so people you know didn't live here. And I
forget from my geology, of course, when the earth changes took place,
which brought up the land under the United States Midwest. But apparently when those
changes came about and the land came up uh there and then and other parts
of the United States to make it more solid and livable. Apparently that's when
the people from Moose started coming to North America. So this must have been
hundreds of thousands of years ago. Well, I don't know how long it
was, gonna say, I don't remember an exactly what it was, but
well, I just refilled the great age of that of that civilization, of
that Well there are there there apparently there apparently are other civilizations also which I
didn't get into. The eastern coast of the United States. According Edgar Casey
Uh and some others, was settled by people who were fleeing Atlantis when it
was going down. So you're a Native Indian population in the United States is
not the same from the East coast to the West coast. It's a different
group of people on the East coast as from the West coast. And the
reason that there are similarities in their appearances obviously because these people many thousands of
years ago originally left MoU, went to Atlantis and then went to the western
part of the United States. Interesting, you know, you brought up Willie
Niven, who did a tremendous amount of archaeological excavation in the in the twenties.
And I've actually seen his books and read a couple of one book where
he literally has page after page of thousands of special symbols and artifacts, carvings
and figure means by the thousands, and he was never really taken serious for
all. And it's felt amazing because it's I mean, he actually worked for
for a long time doing his research, didn't heed. Yeah, And the
reason for that and for Church Word both is that they didn't have thhds,
They were not professors at some university, and so the academic community just dismissed
them. That's it. The most the most interesting thing though with Niven was
that in addition to the stuff that you mentioned, he found I think it
was something like twenty six hundred tablets and he could make a sense out of
them. And so he sent rubbings of these tablets to Church Word, and
church Were told him that apparently these tablets appeared to be the descendants in terms
of symbols, the symbols he'd found for MOO. So all these tablets in
uh, the Mexican clay had been originally uh the the the symbols and their
meanings and so on had been had come come down from Moo. So there's
another connection between UMU and in this case and uh in Mexico. Can you
can you refresh our memory on just where because I know it was central somewhere
in Central America or central Mexico that Niven was diggy, But do you remember
specifically what areas? I don't have the reference in front of me. Uh.
I a second, I forget the name because it's a Mexican name,
but I think it's Here's Mexico. Okay, let me see now it's it's
I know it's north north northwest, Okay, here here it was. I
mean, I know for a fact, for a fact, that he found
these uh this evidence in different locations. But there was one place when you
brought up to twenty six hundred tablets, that was one specific place that was
probably part of a temple I remember, But he was he originally he originally
started digging in San Miguel Amantla Otza cop Potzalco. However, you pronounce that
Valley of Mexican Valley of Mexico in the area not far from the Pacific Ocean,
which accounts for them, you know, having been wiped out by the
tidal ways when these things happened. And then oh he found the tablets at
Santiago. Who he is zoetah however that's pronounced, and there is then then
there is uh, there's another area. I'll talk, I'll keep talking if
I can find out what the name of it is. But there was this
huge area northwest of Mexico City and uh there there are pyramids there, and
there was a whole city with houses. And here it is I can't pronounce
it t e o t i h u a c A n t o t
hua can okay. And they have tourramids and so on. Now this is
an interesting sure, yeah, yeah, well that's a very famous place,
is where the big pyramids are. That's now in the world. Now what's
it. What's what's interesting about this to me is it makes me laugh.
Is that anthropologists and historians invariably say, well, this city was inexplicably abandoned,
and then Tiwanaku was inexplicably abandoned, and then all these all these uh
temples and South America and Central America were inexplicably abandoned. They weren't abandoned.
The people were wiped out by by these inundations. It was it wasn't.
It wasn't just a move that was inundated, but all of the west coast
of South America, Central America, and Mexico were inundated, and so the
population there didn't inexplicably leave, they were wiped out by these LA waves.
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about this because in your book you
described the seismic regions around the Pacific area and it's volatility, and and probably
the reason why uh Move was destroyed was because of a tectonic shift of a
huge a huge scale. No, actually, actually, according to Church were
it wasn't the tectonic shift. He said that underneath Move were what he called
huge chambers filled with volcanic gas. Now these really humongous chambers. I mean,
you know, we can't you know, really conceive as to how huge
they were, but they were huge. And then apparently when the volcano was
around the Pacific rim around the ring of Fire started erupting over various times,
they took with them these gases and after a while these chambers which contained these
gases, there was nothing in them. And these gases in the chambers had
been holding up the continent of Moo. And when the gases were removed from
these chambers, the chambers collapsed and then the whole continent of Moo went down
with it. And so that is how that happened. But if you do
any kind of research at all, and I didn't do very much, just
enough to satisfy myself, there is just something like, I don't I can't
remember when I was I'm like nine hundred and seventy five volcanoes around the Pacific
rim which is humongous. And so all of these changes which came about came
about, I would assume by the cooling of the earth as it as it
started to cool, Uh, these volcanoes came up. And then I don't
know enough about geology to get much further into it. But when when when
When the continent of Moo went down, it created other changes. Obviously one
of the changes was the raising of the mountains that you just think, logically,
if something big goes down to the Pacific Ocean, something has to come
up somewhere else to you know, a compensate for it. And this apparently
is what happened with North and South America the West coast. These came up
when a moo went down, and so that's a big enough continent that they
probably would have caused earthquakes and tsunamis to the Pacific, rim Mexico, all
the way up into California today's California, who knows how far up and pretty
much wipe things out substantially. Okay. You know, as I read your
book, George, I'm fascinated and kind of in dismay that these early researchers,
their work, Niven and Churchward were dismissed by the scientists because Niven's work
alone is a history, is a history that is not valid. And I
don't know what they what the science science world thought about. But you also
bring up the strange story of doctor Javier Cabrera Degara and his strange stone carvings.
What what can he tell us about what he discovered? Because his his
his discoveries are unique too, they're they're extraordinary. I just stumble across them
by chain, and nobody's spending attention to them. Yeah, and because again
to what they are in the second but because of certain laws in Peru about
ancient artifacts. The farmer who found most of these was almost prosecuted because they
said, you're not allowed to deal in ancient artifacts, and so the he
almost went to jail, to prison. And so what happened was that the
man said, oh, I made them up, I forged them. Well,
first of all, there are a total of fifteen thousand of these things.
And the idea that that one man is going to individually forge engravings on
fifteen thousand stones is ridiculous, but this is what the Peruvian government settled on.
So anyway, these stones were discovered first by some farmer and he uh
took them to this gentleman and he bought them from him, and then a
guy came back with more, and so he kept on buying them from the
sky, and eventually he wound up with eleven thousand of them. And uh,
there are another four thousand that are apparently in the possession of other people.
I don't know who, because that was never mentioned who else stones.
So let's just stop for a second, and I want to identify these to
our audience. These are known as the famous Inca stones, and why they
are there, I can't excuse me. I'm sorry, Ikea stones, pardon
me. Why they are unique and why they are not considered true artifacts by
the scientific community is that a number of them are quite a quite large percentage
showed dinosaurs, Uh, show humans writing on dinosaurs, humans interacting with dinosaurs.
And this is just too much for conventional science to deal with, and
so they are considered a sham. But why don't you tell us a little
more about what you discovered uh in these Yeah, go ahead, Uh,
these are one of the things that I found very interesting. Is uh,
I don't know if it was him or somebody else sent uh. I think
it was four of these stones to a scientific laboratory in Germany and they were
analyzed there, and they know, the scientists there said these are not forgeries.
The grooves in the stones that were engraved into the stones are very ancient.
You can show it by uh, you know, chemical tests. And
one of the stones, which I had in my book shows engraved on one
rock what the surface of the planet Earth looked like about thirteen million years ago.
Now that's enough to make your hair stand on end, because even even
you know, if these were engraved ten or twenty thousand years ago, how
did these people know what the earth looked like thirteen million years ago, so
that that, really, you know, gives you some pause. And also
when after the government and claim these are all fakes. A man named Dennis
Swift wrote a book, and he noted in his book that priests and chronicle
traveling with the Spanish conquistadors in the fifteen hundreds wrote about the strange engraved stones
of Ica. So these were not, you know, fraudulent, They existed
way back when, and a lot of these stones I didn't mention it in
my book. I forgot to mention it. A lot of these stones were
found in graves. And one of the occupations of some people in Peru is
to rob graves, and this has been going on for a hundred hundreds of
years. So they'll find graves, ancient graves which you know, you can't
even locate unless you know where to look, and they'll dig them up.
And in many of these graves they found these stones. So these go way
way back, and they come from an unknown civilization in extremely distant past.
Now, one of the things I mentioned from a couple of sources in my
book is that people who you know, are qualified, according to the establishment,
to make pronouncements about geological and archaeological things. I have come to the
conclusion that the ruins in South America are two are of two kind, and
one kind is things like with the Inca and others like them. And they
say this is of relatively recent origin and reflects a deterioration of a much greater
culture that existed before the Incas and these other civilizations which are in the history
books. So there are two major according to these people, there are two
major civilizations in both the South America Central America. And also also there were
there were three, as I mentioned with in Mexico, there were three inundations
along the west coast of South and North America, and so there were three
stages. There appeared to be of only you know, two distinct civilizations in
Peru and areas around there. But there were three waves. And one of
the things also that I write about, and this which I thought was absolutely
fascinating, and that is the language studies that were made and DNA studies that
were made, and both Casey, Edward Casey and James Church were said there
were three waves of immigrants to North and South America, and the language studies
and the GNA study. DNA studies also show three waves of people, and
that's really fascinating, and that is purely signed tific. This is not legend.
This was developed by people in the last twenty years or so. And
that's what got me going. And that's what got me to write this book,
because I had no intention of writing a book. I just got interested
in the subject because I was studying these shamanic rights and I was taking the
shamanic training. And when I started reading this this modern stuff, I said,
oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, this is not a
legend. I mean, what is this, you know? And this book
I've written is very small, but you go and read it, and I
mean there are just dozens and dozens and dozens of pure facts which have been
developed by scientists in the last twenty or thirty years. So you know,
somebody somebody saying that MoU is just a legend, they don't know what they're
talking about. We're gonna take a short commercial break and we will be right
back with our guests today, George Schwimmer. We'll be right back. I
guess today is George Schwimmer, who is a research investigator. His book Moo
the first Great civilization outlines specific archaeological details as well as mythological records on the
people of the Great Continent that once inhabit did the Pacific Ocean. Well,
they're not paying attention, and this is what drives mean. That's now you
just you just brought up something I think would be something to if they could
verify, it would be wonderful that the can keys to the doors and their
chronicles actually have records of seeing these stones. It's in a record that would
shut these these these naysayers down a little bit. I just think it's too
mind blowing for them to see pictures of humans, uh steaming. But you
know what I'm you know what I'd like to see, and maybe you know
somebody might be me. Somebody should set up a Kickstarter fund and create a
fund, create a fund of about a couple of hundred thousand dollars and find
an adventurous UH graduate student and UH anthropolo and handing this information and just say
track this all down and find more along the same lines and write a real
academic book of three four hundred pages proving that there was something there. Incidentally,
I couldn't find it again because I only found a couple of mentions,
and it's not in my book, but there there there have been two or
three geologists who said there was a continent in the Pacific Ocean and they probably
lost their jobs as a result of that. But but there were two of
the two or three people who printed articles saying that they believed there was a
continent in the Pacific Ocean. So it's not one hundred percent uh, you
know, cover up. Yeah, I think it's I think I think it's
a cover up. Well, I think, and we hear from a lot
of geologists and archaeologists on our program. I think it's just a changing of
the guard, and I think the young academics, the young archaeologists that are
coming up, And we heard it from Scott Walter, who's a respected geologist
who has this program on American on Earth, that that it's the younger groups
that are not going to stand by and keep covering things up. I mean,
uh. Scott detailed that in his estimation, the Smithsonian Institute is responsible
for some of the greatest cover ups in our country and continues to be so
I believe that it's Smithsonian also the National Geographic Society that are not our friends
that are not giving us the truth of our heritage, which probably goes back
many, many, many thousands of years. In the United States and then
in around the world, the story of the Maya is wrong. If you
go down to the Maya, their their their cities are extremely well constructed,
engineered in many ways, much better than a lot of the cities that we
have today. So there's there's a story to tell, and it's just a
matter of time before the stuff comes up in books like yours. Move the
first great civilization help us to see that it's not all fantasy, that there's
some there's some validity, you know, you know, this is this is
this is very similar to going back to the nonsensical idea that Earth is flat.
I mean, this is exactly the same sort of thing. And one
of the things that occurred in each us very recently is that all of the
things, all of these things are being ignored because it does not comply with
the religious history in the Bible, you know. And I know that I
know that will be a you know, a controversial statement, but it just
came to me a couple of weeks ago, and I thought, well,
yeah, you know, I mean, the Catholic Church has been suppressing all
kinds of information over the centuries, and this is just more of the same.
It is in the time we have left. George, Can you tell
us a little bit about what you discovered now? You state that in your
book that there are remnants of Moo from the Hopi Indians, that we heard
about it, and actually you actually give reference to the elder Oswald White Bear
Fredericks, who believes that his ancestry is extremely old and it comes from Moo.
I mean, just to know that that's a book right there. Well,
he wrote, he wrote it, He wrote it. He wrote a
book. Yeah, he wrote, he wrote a book, and he dictated
it. I think it was something like nineteen ninety three, and then it
was finally published in two thousand and seven. It's in my in the big
bibliography at the end of my book. I have to look for that.
Yeah, it's something I want to read. But can you tell us a
little bit about the references to south southern California, to New Mexico that had
these influences and maybe the tribe the Indian tribes that are descendants. Yeah,
that's going out of my head now. With the name of this people are
looking up in a second. But anyway, this one group of Indians in
California, Chumash Chumash Indians, and they always say that they came from the
west. They point to the west. Well, what's west of California the
ocean, and so they claimed they came from the west. And they are
apparently remnants uh uh, some some came when you know, things started going
badly, but apparently some must have come just because it was very close to
the eastern edge of Mu. And when people started leaving MoU and going to
other parts of the world, the Chumash came to California and they still are
there. Uh. They they lived in the Los Angeles area and Santa Barbara
and up the coast, and it goes all the way up to Oregon.
I forget what the name of the Indians are up in the Oregon, but
all all, all of these people are came came along there. So one
of the things that is interesting is in their language. In their language and
in other languages, the word MoU keeps coming up. And so for example,
in Hawaii, the people talk about Lemu l e Mu, who is
the king of a great kingdom at the bottom of the Ocean, Pacific Ocean,
and all kinds of names are incorporated with the word mu in both Peru
and in Japan. Apparently Japan Japanese and Quechua, the language that the Carrols
speak, are very similar. And how the heck is that possible that a
bunch of Indians in South America speak almost the same sort of language as the
Japanese do. And so there are these linguistic queues clues that are also uh
uh, you know, found all around the world. And then then then
there are you know, things like farming, terrace farming are found. All
kinds similar ways of terrace farming are found in all over the world. And
you know what, you can't you can't have people developing the same thing at
the same time by accident. I mean, it doesn't happen, you know,
I mean, let's be serious about this. You know, everybody doesn't
suddenly suddenly in vent pyramids. I mean, that's nonsense. You know,
it had to come, it had to come from somewhere. And everything everything
that is written about, whether it is a DNA, whether it's a languages,
whether it's geology, whether it's geological history, all of it indicates that
it came from the center of the Pacific Pacific Ocean. Okay, so right
now we don't have anything in the center of the Pacific Ocean. Well,
very logically, as Sherlock Holmes would point out, once you have you know,
eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, however unbelievable is true. And
this is the case with the move okay. And that's why that's why I
wrote the book, because I mean, there was there was just too much
information. I had to go and write it down and let other people read
it. Do you think that the design of the pyramid maybe originated in move
and there's just some purpose that we don't understand, because I think there's some
scientists that have done tests on the shape of a pyramid and it does have
certain properties that reflect and capture energy. And we've had other people on the
program that's say that as an example, the Maya built their pyramids over geologically
powerful energy fields called telluric fields, and the pyramids were made to actually enhance
those fields. How they were used once they got up into the pyramid.
As one's no one has an idea, it's a lost night. Yeah,
I've read that too, and read very much I've just read, you know,
maybe some mentions of it in relation to uh, the Great Terramid of
Keyops, where they I couldn't understand, you know, it's two technical,
but they claimed that this was probably something that generated some I'm not going to
call electricity because apparently it wasn't electricity, it was some other type of energy
and some and somehow or other, we had lost that energy and if we
could recover it, you can forget about coal and oil and electricity, because
this energy is something and of course the the the industries would not like it
because this energy can be made for almost nothing and would cost virtually nothing for
the people, So obviously they're gonna suppress it, Okay, and then go,
let's get esoteric for a minute. Uh, let's talking about spirituality.
Uh. You uh are deeply spiritual person. You're a shaman. And at
the beginning of the program, you said that up until church boards work,
there was nothing written until two thousand and you felt that there was some kind
of an expansion, a vibration that was permeating people to the point where two
thousand and after were these books. Do you think that there's something about that,
a vibration, something that is causing people to rethink and revisit Amu and
le Maia. Yeah. Let me let me start by talking about spirituality.
The word spirituality have been co opted by religion, and I do not feel
that spirituality is religion. Religion has co opted spirituality the Carol Shamans, and
from what I understand, all Shamans are spiritual people. They're not religious people.
They are spiritual people. And I want to split that into two parts.
One has to do with a creator and your relationship with the Creator and
who you are as an individual. I believe, like great many people that
we are spirits or souls or whatever you word you want to use it,
who are living in physical bodies for whatever reason we're doing it. Okay,
So that's one part of the word spiritual. The other part of the world
of the word is the actual things that happen which people call spiritual. So
for example, you know, life after death, reincarnate, natural healing,
energy, healing, psychic information. You know, these are all sort of
dumped into this basket of spiritual. But these things are really halfway between physical
and what I just mentioned about spiritual. These are practical things of the spirit
from a practical point of view, I can do a psychic reading and tell
a person something that they did not know. Or I can verify something that
a person knew about themselves and I had no way of knowing it. Okay,
I can do a shamanic technique like a surgeon, and I can affect
a certain healing for that person. Okay, I can. I can move
attached spirits, spirits of earthbound people that are attached to them. I can
move them off this person and move them into the light. That's not really
a spiritual thing in the first terms that I mentioned. This has nothing to
do with God and my relationship with God and who I am. So these
things that I am mentioning have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. There's
nothing unique about what I do. It has existed for hundreds of thousands of
years. And as a man, I think probably got destroyed when Mu and
Atlantis got destroyed. Okay, I don't think it was deliberately suppressed by anybody.
It's simply got lost because the people who survived Atlantis and Mu had only
one thing on their mind. I've got to survive. My wife and my
kids have got to survive. The heck, with all the other stuff we've
got to survive. According to church, word cannibalism came about as a result
of these These people were stuck on these peaks of mountains in the middle of
the Pacific, with no food to eat, no animals, and they had
to survive somehow, so they ate each other. This was not a necessity.
This was not because these people are quote savages. This was sheer necessity,
just like the Donner Party in the United States who got trapped in a
storm and they ate a couple of people. So these things all of a
lot of the problems that have come about, and a lot of the information
that's been suppressed or lost, I should say, have come about because of
the destruction of Moo and Atlantis. Now, going back to your question,
I was I was not a religious person. I never went to I never
belonged to any religion, never practiced any religion. And all of a sudden,
in nineteen seventy eight, my younger son was lost at sea, and
suddenly I was drawn to all these so called spiritual techniques and practices and information
and so on. At the same time, this is in nineteen seventy eight,
at the same time, looking back in the nineteen seventies there was an
explosion of paperback books on metaphysical things, on various kinds of spiritual practices,
and on just spiritual matters as I defined it earlier. And so Edgar Casey
actually said that the calendar is incorrect, and the twenty first century started in
nineteen thirty one, So we are we've actually been in the twenty first century
for a seventy nine eighty five years. So the this millennium is intended,
according to esoteric records, to be a spiritual one. You wouldn't know it
by what's going on today. But if you look at what's going on in
the world, you'll see the despite all the nasty things that are happening,
there are some very positive things that are happening also, especially in the United
States. And despite all the things that are wrong still, you know,
with certain things in our country, like our race relationship and our economic distribution
of wealth, other things have changed definitely for the better. Okay, I
mean, we don't have we don't have child labor anymore, women aren't property
anymore, women have the right to vote, minorities have civil rights, and
you have in law voting rights. Etc. Etc. So there are still
things wrong, but if you look at the broad span of this country and
of the world, things are more spiritual. They're nowhere near what they should
be, but they are more spiritual now. One of the things, in
relation to the original question that I ran across, and I can't give you
any more than just a mention, because that's all I found. I found
to mention somewhere that the navel of the world, the so called heart chakra
of the world, was in Tibet for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands
of years. Now, this energy in Tibet was a masculine, intellectual mental
energy. Sometime in the last few years, maybe around two thousand, I
don't know exactly what the date was, that navel of the world or that
heart Intibet moved and it moved to Peru. And now it is not generating
the intellectual male energy. It is generating heart energy and feminine energy. So
this is going to cause a tremendous change in the world. And you can
see it reflected in the United States by the roles that women are beginning or
hand have been assuming in the last thirty forty years. You can see feminine
interest. The other thing that I ran across is a legend that when the
Condor of South America pairs up with the Eagle of the United States, then
the new millennium will start. Well, the Condor is heart centered, the
Eagle is intellectually centered. So what this is saying is when we combine our
intellect with our heart, then we'll start becoming new people. And one of
the things that's involved in my shamanic training and the rights that I get I
got was that these rights are intended to create a new human being, which
Alberto Violdo calls Homo illuminous, the illuminated human, the illuminated human. And
this is not just you know, an emotionally or spiritual illuminated person. His
belief in mine also and many others, and you've probably heard this also,
is that once we get a certain level of spiritual evolvement of the human and
race, the entire planet will change its vibratory rate and will become less less
physical and less material oriented. Okay, And I think that, and I
think that legend and Alberto's and these rights of the Carol reflect that amazing so
to my mind, and it's in the Veda's ancient Hindu doctrines and the Yugas
is that this is a cyclic situation. We've probably been here, this this
this evolution before hundreds of thousands of years ago, maybe millions of years ago,
you know, And that's really the challenge I see. I'm I used
to be very frustrated at our sciences for poo pooing ancient civilizations because there was
no documents. But luckily we do have some ruins. But it's it's a
subtle energy kind of a thing. It's a it's a subtle orient intation that
we're receiving. We're being bathed with unseen vibrational energy that's changing us, it's
evolving us. So we can't we're not on a level to understand it because
we don't have the technology to measure it yet. It's just that we have
to see it. We see it in our kids, and we see it
in glimmers of hope with what people are doing. But I guess, I
guess it's a little challenging for a lot of us, including me. I
had one example of what you're talking about. It was really made me sit
up and take notice. I had a woman who got me started on my
spiritual path. And her name is Marianne Starnes, and she's a minister of
a church, but she's also an extraordinary psychic and shee was my first spiritual
teacher. And she said this was about in nineteen seventy eight. She said
that the children that are being born at that time, she said, these
are extraordinary children and they will change the world. And I started up,
you know, I said yeah, yeah, okay. And then right around
that time I went I met this young woman in an Edward Casey group and
got to be friends with her. And she had two small daughters. I
think one was about three years old, three three and a half years old,
one was about six something like that. And one afternoon I had never
met them. In one afternoon, I went over to I don't know,
give her something or get something from her to her place, and she went
to get the cup of tea for me, and while she was doing that,
these two little girls are start talking to me. Three and six.
I'm talking to them for about five minutes, and by that time they were
the adult and I was the child. I mean, I mean, these
two little girls just made my hair stand up. Really, I mean,
they were. I can't I can't describe it. All I can say is
that they were just they were talking to me in a level that no child
talks. Okay, I mean they weren't using aldo language. But what they
were telling me, or what they were saying, or what they were discussing
at three and six, I mean, I have never heard of three and
six year old say before. So she said, you know a lot of
people, a lot of the very spiritual people. I assume that many of
these people had finished their cycle on earth and are coming back as a service
to mankind. Are coming back, and a lot of them are really have
been reincarnating since you know, mid seventies and so in mid seventies, so
that makes them about thirty five years old. And so we should start seeing
some very interesting things in the next ten twenty years, because these people are
going to take over the world. Well, those are that that would be
the age group known as the millennials and so and and that group apparently is
the up and coming people out here in California, here in the Bay Area.
The millennials are the ones who are running the Googles and the Yahoo's and
a lot of the fantastic startups developing software applications for iPhones and for computers and
things like that. But that's pretty hard evidence that there's some subtlety that I'm
waiting to see. And so, uh, that's that's good news. That's
good news, George. It's been a great honor, and I want to
thank you for your contribution move the first great civilization. And I want to
remind people that doctor George Schwimmer, my guest today, has also written quite
a few other books psychic awareness, energy work. He's done a lot of
written a lot and all these books are available as downloadable digital books on Amazon.
And I really encourage you, encourage my audience who is listening to this
program, to go and download George's books. Quit quite well written. Uh
there there composed in a situation, if you don't have a Kindle reader,
you can use the Amazon readers that are all free, or you can download
a reader that allows you to see and read and see the images in George's
books without any kind of additional payment or technology needs. Most computers today,
if you're at least running Windows seven, even XP I believe, which is
old now, will run a digital file for an e book. So so
George, Thank you very much. I've really enjoyed our conversation. Is there
any any new books that you can tell us about that that are on the
cusp? Well, I just wrote one book which has nothing to do with
the spirituality. Okay, you want me to mention that, Yeah, that's
fine. It's about Lee Harvey Oswald, the man who was supposedly killed John
Kennedy, and I wound up doing the same sort of research that I did
for this move book. I didn't intend to write a book. It's just
I got curious about him one day and I started reading about him, and
it's there's no doubt whatsoever that the Warrant Commission with a pack of lies,
and that they framed him and that they murdered him. And so I wrote
this book and it's called The Truth Behind the Legend of Lee Harvey Oswald.
So that's my latest one. That's the only book I've written that's not spiritual.
Okay, fantastic. Well, thanks again and again. You can find
all George's books on Amazon. They're all digital e books. And perhaps,
as you say, we are all slowly becoming homo aluminous beings. I think
it's something to consider be nice to have some technology to be able to measure
that. So thanks again, George, thank you. You know. I
was thinking of William Niven as I was listening to this with George Schwimer.
It's a good book. It's very packed with details. It has an aspect
of spirituality, which I like because apparently the le Marians were highly spiritual.
Meditation was daily ritual for them. They were much more in touch with the
outer realms like the Akashic records. Edgar Casey talks about them to connected with
the Akashic records and other dimensions that we don't talk about today that we occasionally
hear from various Tibetan lineage. Various Swamis will talk about, various Hindu gurus
will speak about it. And so when you are constantly meditating in your reaching
and working to connect with nirvana, which is another word for heaven, there's
a lot of different layers to that, and you find elements of Moo or
le Maria in those in those those seek to know more, so, I
you know, and the Niven hieroglyphs are not discussed enough, they really aren't
there considered pseudoscience by most archaeologists, which is a real damning thing because it
shuts down another avenue to the miserable American culture of Mexico and Central America.
And you know, it's not going to be in this current generation, but
the future generations, as we've learned from doctor Steves in Canada, are going
to seek out oral traditions more readily, and then there'll be verification way methods
to see and and complete lines of data and we'll be able to trace it.
So William Nevin looked that name up. Niv e n fascinating guy.
And again, if you get any of the church Ward books on MoU Niven's
artifacts are in there. By the way, there's another very very anomalous feature
he excavated. I think it was down to about thirty feet and in various
layers that he was excavating, there's asphalt roads, there's cement, and you
know how I talk about the various epochs, Well, this is great proof
of various epochs. I think he I think he goes down. I want
to guess at like twenty eight to thirty two plus thousand years. According to
him, they didn't have carbon dating back then. But he talks about it
in the twenty thousand range or more. And I don't remember how he came
up with those numbers, but can you imagine somebody digging a trench and seeing
the civilizations that go back ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty
thousand years, and in each phase there's a cement road, an asphalt road,
a mortar road. I mean, they got to break these university traditions
of not being open to the possibilities of truly ancient people. This hunter gatherer
thing has just gotten out of controls. It's just so limiting. And you
know, you go to school, you get a bachelor's degree for four years,
then you stay around and you get a master's degree for two more years,
and then you hang our two or three or four more years to get
a PhD. And you're indoctrinated. You are so locked in. This is
why you know Ed Barnhardt and Jendeo and the other people we have on the
show are typically more transparent and more open and more available to talk about other
points of view. You shut it down in the matter that we're currently shutting
it down with these National Geographic and Smithsonian constipated versions of history. We're screwed
if we follow that we are screwed because we are throwing thousands of years of
unknown civilizations, unknown inventions, unknown information about our past out the window.
And that's just not right. We can't do that. So anyhow, I
hope you enjoyed that. George Schwimer get his book Moved, the First Great
Civilization. It's a good read. I remember I have it in my bookshelf.
Obviously, it's a quick purchase on Amazon, so check it out.
Hey, we're going to Egypt. This is the Grand Egyptian Tour, number
five. It is happening April twenty eight through May nine. We see some
of the most amazing ancient sites. And you know, I gotta tell you,
it's becoming more evident that these temples we go to truly are ageless.
They have been repurposed after being established most likely forty fifty sixty thousand years ago.
Muhammed puts out dates of eighty thousand BC. That's kind of scary,
but I mean I kind of accepted it. But anyhow, we see these
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com, Forward slash Tours t O U r S. All right, that's
it for today's program. I want to thank my guest today, George Swimmer.
That was great as always a team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster,
Chris Hazel and everyone else. Thank you, Thank you, and I appreciate
your help. All right, take care of you will and we will talk
to you next time.