1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,120 What's up, y'all is Drewsky and I've teamed up with Mountain Dew to produce 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,640 a hilarious new basketball podcast called The due Zone with Drewsky. Learn the backstories 3 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:11,880 of your favorite balls and celebrities like Jamal Murray. Did you have like a 4 00:00:11,919 --> 00:00:14,720 favorite team? Was it the Raptors at the time or no? Was the 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Raptors even started on the topic? Come on, bro, I had that 6 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:21,559 talking like I'm fifty, Taylor Rogues, Asian Wilson, and many more. 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,480 You won't want to miss this. Listen to The Due Zone with Drewsky on 8 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:32,640 Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts. What is Uh? 9 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:36,520 Part one Knox listeners. Dan for Valley here, your second favorite co host 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,799 on this podcast. We have a special treat for you today. We know 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,240 that we're an NBA podcast, but we also know that everyone loves all sports, 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,960 and if you're a basketball fan, there's actually probably a pretty high percentage 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,679 chance you like the NFL. And so we're dropping an episode of Blue Wires 14 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:55,600 te one podcast. It's NFL tight End Conversations with Greg Olsen. Yes, 15 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:59,840 that is Greg Olsen tight End for the Seattle Seahawks. Longtime tight end for 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,319 the Carolina Panthers as well. His episode, he's going to be speaking with 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Chiefs tight end Travis Kelsey. I've already heard it. It's a bang or 18 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,519 you're gonna love it. You should be checking out the rest of the episodes 19 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,439 on this podcast. He is talking with past and present stars. Essentially. 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,480 He's already talked with Mike Ditka that that episode's released, Ozzy k Newsom, 21 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,439 that episode's up. The Shannon Sharp episode is up. He's talked with Tony 22 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:26,480 Gonzalez. That episode is up. You can listen to a preview in the 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,359 feed for his soon to be episode with George Kittle of the San Francisco forty 24 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:36,560 nine ers. He's having these real honest conversations with again stars both past and 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,480 present about the evolution of the tight end position, and even when he's speaking 26 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:46,480 with guys like Shannon Sharp or Mike Dicka, there is a focus on today's 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,239 tight ends and how far they've really come, how far this position has come 28 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:55,640 over the years, over the decades. Highly recommend this podcast. The link 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,560 is in the feed if you'd like to subscribe it. We definitely appreciate a 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,439 rating and any reviews that you want to throw in there as well, but 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,200 we hope you enjoy this episode of Greg Olsen going in depth in a conversation 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:12,520 with Travis Kelsey. Te One is brought to you by the strongest, most 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,759 advanced Chevy Silverado ever. This truck is all about grit, strength, and 34 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,479 dependability, the same attributes it takes to be a tight end. And just 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 like the incredible tight ends we sit down with on my new show, the 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Chevy Silverado is in the league of its own. 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Visit NFL Sunday Ticket dot 45 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,319 TV and use the promo code Greg eighty eight at checkout and get fifteen percent 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,960 off your subscription. That's NFL Sunday Ticket dot tv and promo code Greg eighty 47 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:15,719 eight. I'm Greg Olsen and this is t E one, the podcast where 48 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,800 we explore the evolution of the tight end position through conversations with some of the 49 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:35,759 best players of all time. Hey, everybody, what's up? Welcome back 50 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:38,879 to TE one. I'm your host, Greg Olson, and today I'm gonna 51 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:43,360 be talking to Travis Kelsey, the first team All Pro, Pro Bowl and 52 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,680 most recently twenty nineteen twenty Super Bowl champ of the Kansas City Chiefs. Travis 53 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:53,240 Kelsey has taken production and stats for the tight end position to a level I'm 54 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:59,280 not sure anyone ever imagined possible on the heels of guys like Tony Gonzalez and 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Shannon Sharp. He's on pace to catch records that people at one time thought 56 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,960 were unreachable, and to be able to sit down and hear his perspective and 57 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,080 hear his background and the influence that it had on him and shaping him as 58 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,800 a player, some of his trials, some of his struggles both and growing 59 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:18,079 up as a kid in his background, but also at the college level, 60 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,360 and you know, people questioning whether or not he had the makeup to make 61 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:26,279 this to go along with his incredible physical skills. Did he had the you 62 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,839 know, the mental approach and the discipline to become the player that he obviously 63 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:33,360 has become. And he's answered that more than adequately over the last couple of 64 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:38,399 years with just who he is as a person, and of course his production 65 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,279 and career stands out for itself. And then some of the relationships he's built 66 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,480 with Andy Reid and the impact that he's had. He talks about meeting Andy 67 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:48,680 when he coached his brother Jason for the Eagles when he was in college, 68 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,800 and low and behold, he ends up playing for Andy and winning a Super 69 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,839 Bowl with him this past season. I had to bring up that he broke 70 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,839 my record. He is the first guy in NFL history to have four const 71 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,600 could have a thousand yards seasons. And then, as most conversations go that 72 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,759 involve anyone with the Kansas City Chiefs, you know they're MVP quarterback Pat Mahomes 73 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,920 who in a very short period of time has been the MVP and now Super 74 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:15,959 Bowl champion and has really taken the league by storm and it's kind of revolutionized 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,279 the quarterback position. And here's my conversation with Travis Kelsey. Just a heads 76 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,519 up. This conversation was recorded before Travis signed his new extension with the Chiefs. 77 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,040 What's up, man, man? You know what? Just enjoying the 78 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,120 offseason. I guess where are you? I'm in Kansas City, good old 79 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:42,800 Casey m O. That's the Casey k CCMO. People make difference out here, 80 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,079 but that's a difference. That's a huge differentiation if you if you mess 81 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,959 that up, that's embarrassing. How many guys they'll come there and don't know 82 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,519 which state they're in. I'm one of them. I was like, I 83 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:56,040 thought I was going to Kansas. I actually got a when I got the 84 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,600 call from Andy Reid on draft A, I got a Missouri number, and 85 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:00,079 I'm thinking, the only thing in the Zory I know, Saint Louis. 86 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:05,480 I'm just kidding me, Saint Louis. I mean, shout out to Fisher 87 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:12,319 and everybody. Obviously obviously it just wasn't for me. But Andy Reid Man 88 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,079 can't be mad. I think I think it's all worked out and we are 89 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,920 going to dive into all of that and more, and but first and foremost, 90 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,000 thank you for agreeing to do this. This obviously is a real treat. 91 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,040 You are the first guy that I've interviewed who came into the league after 92 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,240 me, So I'm actually super excited now to get into a more contemporary era 93 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,000 of tight ends. I want to go back to, you know, growing 94 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,319 up in Ohio, having a big brother that you wanted to be like, 95 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:45,639 following him to college. But first, just just talk to me about what 96 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:48,120 it was like. I know you've talked a lot about your father instilling that 97 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:53,360 discipline in you guys as a steel worker, showing you what real work was 98 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,240 exactly. And so just take us back a little bit, give us some 99 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,199 perspective on on where you came from, what you're early childhood was like, 100 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,120 and what impact that's had on who you are and also who you are as 101 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,360 a football player. Oh yeah, honestly, So, I come from Northeast 102 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,720 Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, Cleveland Heights, sty specific and yeah, I 103 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:17,639 mean growing up I originally grew up my first five years of living on this 104 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,040 earth, I was in north Ridgeville, Ohio, which is still in Northeast 105 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:24,680 Ohio area, so so on the west side. But completely different dynamic in 106 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:29,360 terms of ethnicity, social class from where I ended up in Cleveland Heights, 107 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:31,720 which I think is one of the most beautiful places on earth. So it 108 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:36,040 was it was a very unique atmosphere growing up in the Heights, and me 109 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,920 and my brother both got that and we got it from a lot of different 110 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:44,600 angles because we love sports so much. So I mean, you talk about 111 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,560 it. I mean everything from soccer, hockey, baseball, basketball, lacrosse, 112 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:53,079 got into football once middle school high school came around, always had a 113 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,839 racket for tenant, you know. I mean just the backyard was a complete 114 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:58,720 sports complex, which I'm sure is not very different than a lot of the 115 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,079 brother brothers here in the world. But I mean that's all we did. 116 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:05,319 We competed at every single sport we could possibly compete at, and then it 117 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:11,399 trickled into the video game world, and then it trickled into the playing cards 118 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:13,160 while we're eating dinner. You know, everything was a competition. And what 119 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,480 that did was it just built up one a relationship that you know, I 120 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,600 was so appreciative of as a kid to know that I had a bigger brother 121 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,800 always kind of just making sure that I'm doing the right things and I'm and 122 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,399 I'm always getting an upper hand on, you know, the guys when I 123 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,920 play in my age age groups and stuff. So it's just it was a 124 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:35,120 very cool, cool upbringing. Yeah, I grew up in the Northeast. 125 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,360 I grew up outside of New York City, and like a typical New York 126 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:41,720 suburb. Both my parents were school teachers. We were kind of middle America, 127 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,519 middle class. We had a nice upbringing. You know, we didn't 128 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,960 want for a lot. We weren't rich by any means off teachers salaries. 129 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,879 My dad was a football coach, but my dad, you know, grew 130 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,879 up in some more humble beginnings. At any time he felt that we were 131 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,000 kind of losing perspective a little bit, he would put us in the car 132 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,360 and he would drive us up to a little bit more north in North Jersey 133 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,679 and take us to his old trailer. And it wasn't a trailer park, 134 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,480 it wasn't a It was a single trailer with an outhouse in the middle of 135 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,919 the woods. And since you know, I don't know what's happened to it 136 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,000 since then, but you know, thirty years after he lived there, it 137 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,080 had been knocked over and weeds were growing, and you know, it just 138 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,440 gave a great dose reality and from and from that experience growing up in middle 139 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,639 America, middle class America to then you know, the you talk about football 140 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,039 and sports in general, really just expanding our horizons. I go down to 141 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,759 university in Miami, kids from all over the country, but you know, 142 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:41,480 predominantly kids from South Miami, South Florida. Just being exposed to different cultures. 143 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:43,039 It's the and I and people ask me all the time, you know, 144 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,440 what was Miami like? The football was great and all that, What 145 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,679 was it? It was? It was very good. It was we had 146 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,840 a lot of fun. Uh we can touch on that here in a second. 147 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,919 This is an open, open forum. But when people asked me, 148 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:01,279 the best part about it was just being a around the guys, and being 149 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,200 around guys that lived very different lives than I had up until that point, 150 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:11,200 and just really developing friendships and developing appreciation for their backgrounds and their stories and 151 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,919 their personal lives. And these are guys that I'm still talked to and are 152 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:18,360 friendly with to this day. And you know, if it wasn't for football, 153 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:20,240 I don't know if I would have ever gotten out of my bubble. 154 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,679 I don't know if I would have ever seen anything outside of northern New Jersey. 155 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,080 And I'm thankful for that. And I'm thankful obviously for the last fourteen 156 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,360 years of being around some of the most you know, insightful, intelligent guys 157 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,399 from all walks of life. And like you said, those locker room moments, 158 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,919 that's what that's what makes it at the end of the day, that's 159 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:43,960 what we'll remember. Those are the things that I was excited to come back 160 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:50,200 in your fourteen you know, and I look forward to developing those new friendships 161 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,679 out in Seattle. So let's go back. So you talked about your three 162 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,679 sport You're playing everything three sports star But there's a lot of people who think 163 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,000 you could have been a better if it wasn't for your father or he was 164 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:03,120 really the one who talked you into playing football at the next level, right, 165 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,080 You wanted to play basketball, baseball. Football was not really at the 166 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,279 top of your list. It wasn't it was Honestly, I think it was 167 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,559 something that my brother locked in on and he ran with it, and I 168 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:16,440 was just kind of sitting there like, well, yeah, I mean I 169 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,240 see how dominant he is, you know, let's let's give it a try. 170 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,440 I got out there, had some fun, had some success, but 171 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:26,480 my real love was always basketball and baseball is the was the one that my 172 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,000 father was really like, Yeah, you know what I mean. There was 173 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,519 always my dad's dream. Get the swing the bad It's not a bad way 174 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,320 to make it's not a bad way to make a living. It is very 175 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,120 It is very Uh, it's very cool to think that maybe I could have 176 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,279 done another sport. But at the end of the day, I'm glad I 177 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,279 chose football. Man. It's it's It's opened up so many doors for me, 178 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,080 so many fun experiences, meeting guys like Greg Olsen. Yeah right, 179 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,399 So you talk a lot about your brother. So your brother, Jason obviously 180 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,639 is an all Pro, one of the best centers in the game, super 181 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,399 Bowl champ, but he's just an all round stud. I'll tell you what 182 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,000 we down at the Pro Bowl. Humble brag. I was at the Pro 183 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,559 Bowl with your brother and we had the best time. Like that dude on 184 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,960 the bus, telling stories, just kind of shooting the ship. We had. 185 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,360 We had such a good time. I remember when me and you used 186 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,600 to be around each other at Pro Bowls, and then the last couple of 187 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,600 years, I haven't exactly held up my end of the bargain. But the 188 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,919 Kelsey brothers are pretty much always there. But now he played tight end. 189 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 He's a center now, but he played tight end. But you were not 190 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,320 a tight end. So he was a backer. He was a linebacker. 191 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,840 He played a little running back at HVAC type things. He's just all around 192 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,799 athlete. Trying to find you can tell when he plays center. The guys. 193 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,159 So the guy is unbelievably fast, man, he gets it, he 194 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,440 gets it. He was he averaged nine yards pop on the handoffs. Who's 195 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,879 tackling him? So let me tell you. So, I've talked to some 196 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,879 of the greatest tight ends who have ever played in the last couple of weeks. 197 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,279 None of them and play tight end when they were kids, And obviously 198 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,000 you're no different. You were a quarterback really up until your first couple of 199 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:11,120 years in college. Yeah, nobody ever dreams about being a tight end. 200 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,279 We kind of all just sort of end up tight ends by crazy. Yeah, 201 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,960 but you were a big time quarterback. Division one quarterback went to University 202 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:26,039 of Cincinnati as a quarterback. Was that entire process of recruiting always driven with 203 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,039 the idea of being a quarterback or did some schools say, now we have 204 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,320 other plans for you, Like how did that whole thing play out? Yeah, 205 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,480 I feel like the majority of my offers were athlete and as I talked 206 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,919 to the most of the college coaches, and this is similar for a lot 207 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,360 a lot of guys. It's not a very unique story by any means, 208 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,519 because a lot of guys will go think and the coaches will sit there and 209 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:50,720 say, yeah, he wants to play, he wants to play quarterback, 210 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,120 but yeah, you might be a better wide receiver or vice versa. I 211 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:56,720 was. I was a quarterback, but I never threw the ball in high 212 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,480 school. I was I was always just you know what, I get these 213 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,080 five yards and just five yard them all the way down. I was a 214 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,480 runner, so I I just never developed the understanding of looking downfield at coverages 215 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,440 and stuff like that through high school or my first couple of years at Cincinnati. 216 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,960 So when I got to Cincinnati, it was just a wildcat. Well 217 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:16,960 once, once the wildcat became something was, well, how how do we 218 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,480 get them on the field so that when we catch a team in our up 219 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,679 tempo stuff, we can just throw them into wildcat and they'll be stuck in 220 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,440 a certain personnel or something like that, getting real football talkie here, and 221 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,039 so they so they came out with this this wildcat and I started to transition 222 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,840 into doing some tight end stuff. And that was my second year in college 223 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,240 and from that point on, we went to the Sugar Bowl, had a 224 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,360 great year, great run for the Bearcats. Shout out to UC baby, 225 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,879 and you know what, it was just it was the transition was it was 226 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:48,559 there, it was over. I was like, you know what, I 227 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,279 kind of I'm kind of enjoying this tight end a little bit more than the 228 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,360 quarterback. The quarterback. I don't want to get into the scrutiny and all 229 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:01,720 that stuff, but I think that there is a certain level of professionalism that 230 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:05,559 you have to demand as a quarterback for your team, for your you know 231 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,559 what I mean. And I'm not saying I'm not a professional by any means. 232 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:15,080 I just I just think that is the best. That is the best 233 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,759 self awareness comment I've ever heard. I think got to know yourself, man, 234 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:22,960 and in watching Oh my god, knowing you and getting to know you 235 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,639 over the years, that self awareness right there, I applaud you, and 236 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,480 that is amazing. It was just it was a little too much in my 237 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:33,600 mind. I mean, I still have the hopes of the dreams that one 238 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:35,559 day, you know, I just might get to run a two minute rail 239 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,039 somewhere. But I mean, let's all right, So let's we're gonna fast 240 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,000 forward a little bit and then we'll get back. I mean, in the 241 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,279 NFL, we've seen you on third down line up in the shotgun. We've 242 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,759 seen you hand the ball off zone read. We've seen you pull it and 243 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,240 run for the we haven't seen I don't think we've seen you pull it and 244 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,480 throw it right one time. Have you thrown it one time? A little 245 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,360 fake bubble screen? Okay, all right, the great great story. We're 246 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,679 playing against the Giants and has coach Reid's installing this play. He's, uh, 247 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,559 it's it's basically spread the spread the defense out. Throw a bubble screen 248 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,320 to me, I act like I'm running it in, and then throw it 249 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,200 down the middle of the Tyreek big cover two team. We're hoping we get 250 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,759 the safety's bite a little bit, and the safety isn't bite at all. 251 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:17,840 They didn't believe on the bubble screen at all, so they just they doubled 252 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:21,440 Tyreek. Well for whatever reason, I'm not gonna say he did this on 253 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:25,000 purpose, but for whatever reason. On the drawing on the install it's got 254 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,399 a backside post. Why would it be there if he didn't give me a 255 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:30,919 progress, if he did allow me to progress, you know what I mean, 256 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,600 go through my progression, and it's just you know what I always I 257 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,840 dream big. I dream big. I'm like, all right, if I 258 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,639 get this thing Tyreek's and open, just peek, just peek over and share 259 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,840 enough. I peek over to Marcus Robinson's Scott Free just rolling down the other 260 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,759 hash or other numbers, and I give it a good crow hop, a 261 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,559 little a little base out field, a little crow hop and check it about 262 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:59,519 fifty yards sixty yards downfield, and uh yeah, got picked. Well. 263 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,360 The rest of the story was money. We When I tell you I was 264 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:07,759 a big league QB Greg, I'm talking about I made it. I made 265 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,559 it. But can you imagine how legendary that would have been? Man coach, 266 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,839 They don't throw me bubble screens, so like you and Kittle, like 267 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,079 all you guys that are so like crafty after the catch, I always did 268 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,799 like ninety five percent of my work before I got the ball, and then 269 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,839 and then after I caught the ball was just like survive. So they don't 270 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,599 throw me bubble screens. So I can only imagine what that must how exciting 271 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,519 that must be to catch a bubble screens. D you get the numbers. 272 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,799 Anybody can run a bubble screen. Now we've thrown them to the fullbacks. 273 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,319 You can get a good bubble screen. You get you catch the numbers on 274 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,640 one of these run pass options. That's true. We're gonna do some of 275 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,319 that in Seattle. We did a lot of it with Cam, but we're 276 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:49,319 gonna do more with us now. So well, that's a good story, 277 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,920 and now people know that this isn't just by accident. Andy Reid's not just 278 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,160 laying up at night saying I might put Travis Kelsey at quarterback. You were 279 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:00,839 That's what you were in high school, and that's what were your first couple 280 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:04,839 of years until in the story I've heard and you can confirm or deny. 281 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,000 So Tony Pike. So, Tony Pike was a very brief teammate of mine. 282 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,680 So I got traded to Caroline in twenty eleven and you were like seven 283 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:21,799 years old, So I was just making the transition. You were on my 284 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,440 wall, in my dorm room. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna 285 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,039 talk about that hold, that thought, hold, that throup. So in 286 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:30,240 twenty eleven, I got traded to Carolina and the rule then was, because 287 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,599 we were in the lockout, if you got a new contract, you were 288 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,480 not eligible to practice for the first five days of training camp. It was 289 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:44,480 amazing. I highly I highly recommend it. So so there was like fifteen 290 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:48,359 of us who weren't allowed to practice for whatever the reason, and Tony Pike 291 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,519 was one of them. He had just gotten signed by the Panthers. So 292 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:53,440 the poor guy, and every time I hear his name, this is the 293 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,200 story I think of. I would drag him out on the practice field before 294 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,880 we would go out there and make him. We would row balls and work 295 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,279 out, and the poor guy one day, after a couple of days, 296 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,920 threw a ball and the poor guy tore something in his shoulder on air and 297 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:15,079 never played again. And for that whole preseason, everybody was like, you 298 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,680 ruined Tony Pike's career, And I'm like, I felt so bad the poor 299 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,559 guy. It was just throwing balls on air. I can't he beat you 300 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,039 out? If you beat him out, are you the tight end? You 301 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:34,000 are today. No, I don't think so. I think I'm you know, 302 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,519 I'm breaking records behind in the pack, in the in the pocket man. 303 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,039 Honestly, I think I had cannon. I had a cannon. So 304 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:48,039 all Chief fans out there need to take a minute to thank Tony Pike for 305 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,440 beating you out for the starting quarterback at the University of Cincinnati or else you 306 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,279 are not Pro Bowl all pro Travis Kelsey and you know what, you know 307 00:19:56,319 --> 00:19:59,359 what's funny that you say that is that he was the big pocket passer. 308 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,240 I was the wildcat. I was the runner I came in for and we 309 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,519 were like a little dual dual threat combo there. But yeah, no, 310 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:11,559 that he slowly just transitioned me. Him and Zach Laris, another big East 311 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,720 Goon, just won the Gray Cup up in Canada. Shout outs, Zach 312 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,400 Laris got a lot of shout outs today, But you're killing the shout out 313 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,119 game. Keep it going. This is your dude, this is your forum. 314 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,799 Whoever you want to shout out, whoever you want to touch on, 315 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,279 this is your canvas, buddy, go and paint. I put on way 316 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:30,400 too much shout out the old spice. I'm just I'm breathing in the fumes 317 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,119 of my duds. Well you're wearing I wish people could see you. They're 318 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,119 not going to see you, but I can see you. Want to see 319 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,200 my dress? That tank top is unbelievable. It was hot out today. 320 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,359 Man, it's get it's hot here in Kansas City. Man, at the 321 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,359 past couple of weeks, and I feel like that humidity is just rising on. 322 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,440 You're you get about ten routes and you're like, WHOA, I feel 323 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:55,759 I almost died today. So back back to the conversation. I'm gonna try 324 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:57,640 to keep it on track. So coming out of high school, I had 325 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,279 an older brother who was one great ahead of me, played quarterback and went 326 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:04,640 to the university and Notre Dame. In my heart, I wanted to go 327 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,559 to Miami. I wanted to do, you know, similar to like you 328 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,160 touchdown. I wanted to go play with my big brother. We had always 329 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,319 played together through high school growing up. I originally signed with the university and 330 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:21,079 Notre Dame, went there for a summer, and shortly after that realized we 331 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,799 had to go our separate ways. He went to Virginia. I transferred and 332 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:29,000 obviously finished my career at Miami. You also took the path where you had 333 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,720 a lot of other options, a lot of other schools who wanted you, 334 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,599 but you also said, you know, I'm gonna go play. You know, 335 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,759 Jason was at Cincinnati, you know, a few years older than you. 336 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,640 Take us through that process, Like, how important was it for you 337 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,359 your family, because I know firsthand there's a lot of pressure to follow in 338 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,559 the footsteps for the family. It gives it gives your family one spot to 339 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,079 go to see both the boys or you know what I mean, to go 340 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,000 see both of us. You know, it gives one team for everyone to 341 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:00,359 cheer for. It's just and on top, but that it gives me somebody 342 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,440 I can relate to out here in the world, you know, going to 343 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,319 it going to a new school, I don't know which I mean. I 344 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,960 was a I'm a happy, go lucky guy. I don't know what crowd 345 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,640 I would have caught in and caught on too without my brother being you know, 346 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,640 I mean the kind of the driver in all of that. You know, 347 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,359 I wanted to spend every freaking minute with my brother in college. So 348 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,039 it was it was that it was the fact that my brother was going there, 349 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,839 the fact that I got a chance to play QB and the fact that 350 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,279 they were gonna let me duel sport it and play basketball, all right, 351 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,079 And that was I mean the Big East back in two thousand and seven, 352 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,200 two thousand and eight, I mean that's the Kemba Walkers. It was still 353 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,000 rocking in the Big East. Not that it's not anymore. There's I mean 354 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,200 Nova and everybody's still in it. But for in terms of the Big East 355 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,359 Madison Square Garden Tournament, I grew up wanting to play in that tournament and 356 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:55,039 I had my chance. Now I had a lot of fun, and I 357 00:22:55,079 --> 00:23:00,880 got my chance taken away. But you learn from your mistakes and you figure 358 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,880 out exactly what you want to do in life. And you know what it 359 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,319 was. It was a blessing because what it made me do is it made 360 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,440 me focus on my craft. And once I got the understanding of routine and 361 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:14,920 getting better and you know what I mean, just really putting in meaningful work 362 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,759 at my at my craft, at my position and my art form, everything 363 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:23,480 started taking off for me. I started having a boatload of boatload of success. 364 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,920 And you know what we started. We started winning some football games and 365 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,079 having some more fun on the field. Well, you took the conversation exactly 366 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,519 where I was going to go down. You referred to it quickly before. 367 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:36,880 We've all had our moments in college that we look back on and we're not 368 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,480 proud of. But I do think that sometimes in our most difficult times, 369 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,279 I know, I look back to some of my both on and off the 370 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:48,160 field struggles of my whole career have really allowed me to grow to who I 371 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,279 am. Understand discipline, routine, process, performance, attitude. I mean, 372 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,480 there's a million components to it. Yeah, yeah, so you so 373 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,599 you bounce back. Now, so now you're you're going into your senior year, 374 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,759 which was really you're kind of come onto the scene moment, right, 375 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,599 seven hundred plus yards, eight touchdowns, really became a guy on the national 376 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,880 landscape for NFL teams to really say, all right, this guy. You 377 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,359 know, he's had his history, but this guy, this guy can play 378 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,359 and and and obviously it's led to where we are today. But what did 379 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,680 you learn through those struggles those first couple of years about who you were, 380 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,920 what you wanted to be, the process that it was going to take, 381 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,279 the discipline it was going to take, and how have you carried that forward 382 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,279 to have the success now you've had ten years later, Yeah, I had. 383 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,839 I had a very very great position. Coach at the University of Cincinnati, 384 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,880 Zach Johnson and coach Jay was. He was shout out, give him 385 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,640 a shout out. Shout out, coach j Baby, let's go. He's 386 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,240 he's unbelievable. He's he's I believe it. Originally an old line coach, 387 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,400 but he came, he came on to us and he was helping. He 388 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,319 was helping me out with just understanding physic the physics of football. Just like 389 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,480 you have a center of corps, you you have, I have a core 390 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,680 in your body and you have to find that balance and that strength when you're 391 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,240 trying to move objects. You want to get lift under people, pick them 392 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,720 off the ground in a sense, and then start to drive your legs. 393 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,480 And the way he started to describe everything, it was all clicking for me. 394 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,279 It was all making sense. And I had the determination of this my 395 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,839 last year, like I like, I'm a scrub. I shouldn't. I 396 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,400 got it to this point where I at least have a chance, and you 397 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,240 know what, an opportunity is all I need at this point because I got 398 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,160 to take advantage of it, and I was I was very fortunate that, 399 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640 you know what I mean, I had that I had Coach Johnson there to 400 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,319 be able to direct like give that that discipline and that mental want you know 401 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,119 what I mean, want to succeed and want to do better for myself. 402 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,680 And he was right there pushing me both mentally and physically to the max man 403 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,039 and I'd love him for it. So obviously, after that senior season, 404 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,599 you're kind of on the map. You've kind of put all that raw talent 405 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,400 that people saw in you since you were an high school It kind of all 406 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440 came together, and now it's time to see can I make a career of 407 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,759 this? Can I can I take this to the next level? And a 408 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:15,400 story that I just found super relatable and really interesting. So Ozzie knewsome the 409 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,160 general manager of the Baltimore Race story. So it's it all right, I'll 410 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,480 let you tell it. I'll let you tell it and maybe hopefully it's the 411 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,279 same one I have. I'll tell you what I look back on it. 412 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,480 So I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. Ozzieknews obviously Hall of fame, 413 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,759 Browny, hall of famer, all around. Just you get you hear nothing 414 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:36,000 but but praise when you hear Ozzie Knwsom, especially around Cleveland or or the 415 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,160 Baltimore area, and it was it was just a very my uncle when I 416 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,440 was when I was a kid and he was playing for him. He got 417 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,480 a picture signed by Ozzie k Newsom too, the Kelsey Boys, and I'm 418 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,559 sure my dad has it at the house, and that's pretty cool. That's 419 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,640 somewhere and we were we were kids, and I'm like, I barely got 420 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440 to see the guy play, right, So I was. I was born 421 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,720 in eighty nine. But like they knew like who Ozzy was. He was 422 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,119 a Hall of Famer, so they knew that, you know, the boys 423 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,920 would probably appreciate this. At some point in time. Well twenty some years 424 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,119 down the line, here I am interviewing for a job for the Baltimore Ravens 425 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:22,039 during the combine and I walk into the room just had an unbelievably cool conversation 426 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,079 with Hardball. He was talking about how he had some roots up up in 427 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,440 Cleveland, and I walk in on my high horse, just thinking, Man, 428 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,960 this thing's going great so far. I get to meet the guy that, 429 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:33,880 you know what I mean, I've wanted to meet since I was a 430 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,480 kid. And he I walk in big smiles to go to shake his hand 431 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,240 and shakes my hand. Hey, sit down. I was like, oh, 432 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,599 what I do? What I do? That felt like I was in 433 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,599 the principal's office. Man, I sit down. He starts to play some 434 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,720 film, and there might have been a little bit of hello, like a 435 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,519 little bit more conversation than this, but as I remember, this is all 436 00:27:53,519 --> 00:28:00,000 I remember. I just pressed play. He pressed play, and we started 437 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:06,119 going over all my personal misconducts, like all my like just flags, just 438 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,319 flags because of bad attitude and uncontrollable. And he pauses and he looks at 439 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,160 me, said, son, are you an asshole? I looked. I 440 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,880 was like, I mean on the on the field, on the field, 441 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,400 yeah, I played with a certain aggression. But I'm one of the nicest 442 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,160 guys you'll ever like. I'm very respectable, respectful. I like, I 443 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359 treat everyone with the same respect I want to be treated with. And I'm 444 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200 just trying to like sell him. At this point, I'm like, ah, 445 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:41,480 you just you do my bluff. You're scrambling, You're just scrambling. 446 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,319 Well, your story is exactly the story I was hoping you were going to 447 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,559 share because I just found that unbelievable. Too bad you couldn't have gone and 448 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,240 played for him. I'm sure he probably regrets not drafting you. He had 449 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,079 a great point. Okay, I didn't leave the room like man, that 450 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,160 was the worst ever. Why would he treat me like I left? I 451 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,960 guess I had a point. He's onto something. I gotta fix that. 452 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,480 My my, my combined memory really the only memory I have of the Combine. 453 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:12,359 Fortunately he didn't call me an asshole. But it was not a great. 454 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,839 It was not a great. That's true, that's fair. That's a 455 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,000 good distinction. That's a good distinction. That's on me. So I walk 456 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,039 into the Jets so at the time, I mean, Jeanie's the head coach. 457 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,279 So I walk in and you know we're I had read you know, 458 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,599 we're walking in. You feel like you're the king. Shit, you're shaking 459 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,160 hands and kissing babies. So there's a there's like twenty five guys in this 460 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:36,240 room, right and you have a ten minute conversation for anybody who hasn't been 461 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,160 to the Combine. Obviously, you go from like room to room, it's 462 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,359 like speed dating and you meet everybody. So I walk in and I shake 463 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,559 his hand. He introduces himself, and I go around and shake twenty people's 464 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,119 hands and I sit down. He grabs the clicker of the of the remote 465 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,759 to play video, just like you said, and he goes, what's his 466 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,559 name? And it was like some random guy. I'm like, I don't 467 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,559 know, sir. He's like, what's his name? I don't know. 468 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,319 He went like five or six people and I didn't have a clue, and 469 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:07,880 he goes, what's my name? I said, oh, your coach Mangini. 470 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,799 He goes, you don't really not much paying attention for detail. Huh. 471 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,279 He could have put on me scoring twenty five touchdowns on that film. 472 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,960 It didn't matter. I was broken. I was broken. I walked out 473 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,359 of that room in a sweat, and I was like, there's no chance 474 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,119 in hell the Jets draft me. They didn't. They did not draft me. 475 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,880 They drafted Durrell. Revus goes, show how much they know. But 476 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,160 I, buddy, Once something like that happens, you're done. There's mentally 477 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,680 you are in your under the table. I feel like I feel like during 478 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640 the draft, like these guys have a secret, like it's kind of it's 479 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,559 kind of pleasuring for them to see guys to start squirming in their seat like, 480 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,519 uh, no question, Like, who's gonna handle the pressure here? 481 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,920 It's exhausting, it's exhausting. Well, uh, we take comfort to know 482 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,079 we've all had we all had one of those moments. But I'm yours to 483 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,920 me is the best. I just there's something about a Hall of Fame tight 484 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,319 end GM now looking back on hindsight, and now that it's you and you've 485 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:18,039 had the career and you're probably gonna break every record he ever had, We're 486 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,000 gonna take a quick break, so make sure you stay tuned for more from 487 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,200 TE one. TE one is brought to you by the strongest, most advanced 488 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,519 Chevy Silverado ever. On TE one, we set out to discover what makes 489 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,640 the top tight end and what it takes to be the best. One thing 490 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,839 that I've learned is to be on top, you've got to work harder and 491 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,599 be willing to advance and adapt your game. That forward thinking is what has 492 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,720 helped Tony Gonzalez, Travis Kelsey and all the other amazing tight ends that I've 493 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,759 interviewed be ahead of the game. These guys are strong, they're dependable, 494 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,440 They come through when most people would give up. It takes grit, determination, 495 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,279 and these legends aren't afraid to get their hands dirty. These characteristics translate 496 00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:01,440 from the field to everyday life. We all strive to be strong and dependable. 497 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,319 This is the foundation of what Silverado is. Just like these incredible tight 498 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,519 Ends, the Chevy Silverado is in a league of its own, Strong, 499 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,720 advanced, and dependable. 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You get drafted by the Chiefs thir 509 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640 third round pick, twenty thirteen. Andy Reid is just coming in. Andy 510 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,359 Reid has talked a lot in the past, especially leading up to the Super 511 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,319 Bowl and even before that, about how he had a lot of confidence in 512 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,720 you because he got to know you when his brother, when your brother was 513 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,079 in Philly with him. So when you would go around, when you would 514 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:29,000 go visit your brother, like, were you meeting Andy Reid at practice? 515 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,519 Were you around the facility? Like what was that relationship with with Andy Reid 516 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,240 before he was your coach? I think it was. It kind of as 517 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:42,519 I started meeting everybody around the facility, just being the little brother and the 518 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,400 facility, I kind of I don't know, everyone just started kind of letting 519 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,279 Andy and they're like, yeah, he's not Yeah, he's a good deal. 520 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,319 He's he's got a little type of problem in the field. He's good 521 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,000 dude, good dude. And then I finally got to meet because his son 522 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:00,359 played a temple. Okay, so when when Timber would join the Big East 523 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:07,119 my senior year, we played actually at Lincoln Financial. Right, So as 524 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,320 we're playing, I'm leaving, I'm going to say goodbye to my brother in 525 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,480 the tunnel, and he introduces me to coach Reid, and I'm like starstruck 526 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,719 at this point, I'm like the wall risk. Oh shit, Andy Reid. 527 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,679 So I shake his hand. We started talking about football a little bit, 528 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,920 and after that it was I didn't hear from him at all, like 529 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,119 during like the combine and anything like that, So it was I guess we 530 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,239 did had we had one of the meetings that you just were mentioning. Nothing, 531 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,000 nothing drastic, nothing d actually just wanted to know general football stuff. 532 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:44,840 But yeah, no, no, Being able to be under coach Reid has 533 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,239 been such a blessing. And yeah, I mean he started off as as 534 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,920 he's an offensive guru and his his start off at Green Babe, I believe 535 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,360 in the tight end room at one point in time, he definitely was the 536 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,800 tight ends coach. Then he went to QB coach and then he went on 537 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880 for there to end up getting getting the head coaching job in Philly. But 538 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:12,199 he's he's had so much to do with the progression of like how mentally like 539 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,639 I don't know how mentally strong you have to be at the tight end position. 540 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,760 The first thing he said, he said, I need you every single 541 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,920 play, I need you out there. I need like this is he's demanded, 542 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,320 like certain things that have done so much for my career, to be 543 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,960 able to get the snaps, to be able to grow as a player, 544 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,239 and the fact that he has that offensive mind, the old the old b 545 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,360 yu you know what I mean, right guard coming through the lane on power. 546 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,199 You know, just that old school mentality. It's one upfront. He 547 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,159 demands that toughness out of all his players. And I've been fortunate, I 548 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,639 mean, not only to learn mentally from everything he installs. I mean I'm 549 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:51,800 listening to when he's installing place for the running backs, the wide receivers. 550 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:53,719 You know, just you never know, you never know what coach read. 551 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,079 He puts guys everywhere. So I just just so it's so grateful to be 552 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,679 able to to grow under his offense and play for his team. Man. 553 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Yeah, when you guys come in for a Wednesday, you know, so 554 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,880 Wednesdays like the first big first and second down. For those listening. You 555 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,719 have Monday, you come in, watch tape from the game before Tuesday we'll 556 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,320 have off, and then Wednesday's really the first big install, especially with the 557 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,079 passing game. So like when you when you come in and you sit in 558 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,599 that first meeting in the morning, Like, is there an excitement level that 559 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,480 this week there could be something brand new? Like you never know what you're 560 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,960 going to be asked to do. That that's got to be super exciting. 561 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,480 And for a guy like Andy Reid who's kind of that has that reputation of 562 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,679 he's just going to draw stuff on the board, he's gonna kind of spitball 563 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,039 until he kind of formulates his game plan to be one of his main weapons. 564 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,599 That's got to be super exciting coming in and saying, I wonder what 565 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,800 they have in store this week. Like I said, I've been so fortunate. 566 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,800 I mean, he's he's put a lot of trust in a lot of 567 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,719 guys on the team. But I'm not I'm not saying any more than than 568 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,760 myself, but I mean I'm just thankful for how much trust he's given me 569 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,760 in this offense to be able to run these kind of routes that that typically 570 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,079 aren't ran by you know, tight ends, split out and uh and on 571 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:14,119 the flip side, I have a lot to appreciate for Andy Heck. Not 572 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,280 not as much, ay, but Andy Heck's the run game coordinator and I 573 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,679 mean he's him and Eric b enemy in terms of making sure that the strength 574 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:29,119 of the run game matches the strength of the blockers the people around them, 575 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,280 splitting it out, knowing that I'm split out running a lot more routes out 576 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,760 there. It splitting me out isn't just an indicator to pass now, it's 577 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,320 an indicator to they might run it or run the pass option out of it. 578 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:43,800 So just being being able to understand creatively where the coaches are going with 579 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,239 it, you can get excited every single week about that. Yeah, I 580 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,559 mean, especially if they're dialing up stuff to where you're putting up crazy numbers 581 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,920 every week. You know, man, it's it's better. There's nothing better 582 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,519 than like being in that role, that role where you just know and each 583 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,320 week it's like, give me more, challenge me more, what else can 584 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,000 we do? And you're you're you're watching other guys, you're stealing stuff. 585 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,400 I had a routine every Thursday, I would put on you can you know 586 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,800 back in the day, Gonzalez, when you know the guys that were the 587 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,360 most productive that week. I would be like, all right, I'm gonna 588 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,599 go back. So every Thursday, before i'd leave the leave the facility, 589 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,679 I'd go back and look and you know, and then the next day you're 590 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,599 like begging the coach, like we need to run like that. And then 591 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,280 sometimes sometimes they're honest and you're like, well, Kelsey runs that route really 592 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,039 good. You ain't running that, And I'm like, you're right, you're 593 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,960 right. No, I'm being serious, But like we would you I don't 594 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,079 know, I would try to scavenge the whole thing. And our coaches were 595 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,960 really open minded when we were rolling. They had a lot of trust and 596 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,639 Cam and I that we would kind of have some free freestyle ability and whatnot. 597 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:51,239 But I remember when when we were rolling those best years and when I 598 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,480 had my best years, Wednesday's install was like my favorite day of the week 599 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,039 because you knew a big part of it was going to be for you. 600 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,519 Sure, second down, and then you know, obviously on third we'd get 601 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:05,519 a lot too, but you know, you you knew that a big part 602 00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,719 of the offense was going to run through you. It was just a matter 603 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,440 of how they were going to do it this week. Get your cup of 604 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:13,440 Joe, put your seatbeled on, and get pumped up. See what happens. 605 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,039 It's fun. It's fun. Especially in the UH, I mean the 606 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,280 past. The passing game has evolved so much just in terms of having big 607 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,079 guys singled up whenever when I mean, we got we got crazy weapons. 608 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:30,239 So whenever he's dialing up plays for these the front side, whenever I'm singled 609 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,039 up on the back side there where I'm kind of like on the backside, 610 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,360 check down maybe or something like that, I'm just like, throw a little 611 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880 option on the back there, Andy, you know, just throw a little 612 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,800 I mean, na, he's gonna be coming back to me with almost a 613 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,320 sense of urgency anyways, might as well, you know, have a throw 614 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,599 for him, not just running it. I'm always I'm a big time back 615 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,719 back side of the route. Oh, I'm a little little option on the 616 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000 back side there. I love being backside by myself. I want everyone else 617 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:59,719 to get out of the way. I hate when guys were in the way 618 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,599 and just you guys go on that side, you run your three man concept 619 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,719 and I'll be back here by myself. Just don't send anybody over here. 620 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:08,599 Now, when when you bring that to him, is he pretty receptive? 621 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:13,519 Like you've probably earned his trust that now? I don't think it's ever like 622 00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,360 really like it's never like changed that week like they might it might go down 623 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,519 down the road, he might just give it a try right here, but 624 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:23,440 he's like, he's like, I got this, I'll make the plays, 625 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,239 you run the routes. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I think 626 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,800 that's probably too much. I think that's probably fair. Yeah, I think 627 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,000 his track record is pretty good. So twenty thirteen, your rookie year, 628 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,440 I know you had a knee injury, kind of were slow out of the 629 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,440 gates, and then twenty fourteen and beyond you probably you arguably have the greatest 630 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:46,079 stretch of tight end production in NFL history. I mean, I mean starting 631 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,199 at fourteen, and before we dive into that, because I have a trivia 632 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,719 question for you, but before we get into that, Alex Smith. So 633 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,000 you play four of your you know, four all pro level years with Alex 634 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,239 Smith, and you know, seventeen they draft Mahomes, but Smith still, 635 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,440 Alex still plays, has his best year. So here you are probably saying, 636 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,320 all right, you know the young kid who obviously will touch on here 637 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,880 in a second, but you know, the young kid's gonna have to wait 638 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,199 his turn, maybe an Aaron Rodgers type field, maybe wait a couple of 639 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,800 years for for Alex to to roll out the rest of his career, but 640 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,079 sure enough, after year one, twenty seventeen, they trade him to Washington. 641 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:31,079 What was the reaction yourself, the guys who had really had tremendous success 642 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,760 with Alex, Like, what was that reaction? Did did you have trust 643 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,320 that Andy knew what he was doing? Did you have trust that you saw 644 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920 Patrick as a rookie and said, this kid is special? Or was there 645 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,800 still some level of disappointment that your main your dude just got sent shit, 646 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,679 you know, got sent shopping and it was it was And I think I 647 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,840 don't know. I think a little bit has to do with it being you 648 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,519 know, you have so much appreciation for a guy that does it right every 649 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,119 single every single day, every single time. He's never you know, he's 650 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,639 always in it for the team. And that's what Alex was. He was 651 00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,360 the ultimate leader, ultimate competitor, and you just appreciated that so much. 652 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,400 You wanted to win one for him, you know what I mean. There 653 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960 was a little bit of doubter saying that he could he didn't have it to 654 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,280 win it. I'm like, man, that's bull crap. I've seen way 655 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,719 worse qbs win it, and I know Alex Smith can lead this team to 656 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,679 a championship, and man, there was there was some plays here and there 657 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,440 in the playoffs where I was like, man, we were a couple of 658 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,360 plays away from really giving ourselves a chance. But I mean, I I 659 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,119 where really ripped me was that I just never you know, got there with 660 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,719 him. You know, so that that story is closed and that that one 661 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,960 sucks. But I mean you had full trust in coach Reid and the and 662 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,239 the young gun man. I mean Pat, Pat showed so much in practice 663 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,320 during the season, you name it, man, he was. He was 664 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,159 in there throwing stuff around and everybody was in awe throughout the entire entire practice 665 00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,440 squad and everything during the throughout the seas and so so as a rookie, 666 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,719 So I want to dive into that because I think that's interesting. So as 667 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,920 a rookie, Alex is obviously the starter, and it was clear from day 668 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,599 one that Alex was going to be the guy. So Patrick's running the scout 669 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,280 team each week, he's he's simulating the other team's offense, their quarterback. 670 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800 So did you guys find yourself after a couple of weeks, Like you know, 671 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,360 usually when the defense is on the offense at least on the teams I've 672 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,360 been is kind of off on the side, not over, not really paying 673 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,840 attention, Like did you find yourself being like this guy is different, Like 674 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,119 there's something special about this kid, and find yourself now you're watching the Scout 675 00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:36,800 team every single time? Yeah, every single time. Like and it was 676 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,559 it was fun because what what Pet would do is Pet would literally have fun 677 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,800 and see what he could get away with. Back there. It was like 678 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,119 it was just like he was just back there none chalan. I mean, 679 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,360 don't get me wrong, He's still professional, you know what I mean. 680 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,519 It's not like he was out there pissing the coaches off or anything. He 681 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,760 was just making so many incredible throws that it just turned into prime time Scout 682 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,519 Team. Yeah. And I mean, guys, guys, all the time 683 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:04,880 I saw him literally roll out and huck one on the on the run at 684 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,119 least seventy five eighty yards. And when he did that, I mean, 685 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,960 it's like the first or second play of a two minute drill, you know 686 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,280 what I mean. We start back at the twenty and it's he's just rolling 687 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440 out and just hucks it touchdown two minutes over to the drives over. You 688 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,719 know, it's just like this, dude can wing it anywhere at any time. 689 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,199 And I think it's important for people listening the context of that. So 690 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,840 when you're running scout team quarterback, you're they're literally the coach is just holding 691 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,480 up a card like diagram. So if you're the quarterback running the other team, 692 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,199 there's not a ton of detail. The routes are drawn. They kind 693 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:42,199 of give our here's the protection. They kind of use your own verbiage. 694 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,119 Here's the protection for the old line. Yeah, we're gonna try to throw 695 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,840 this to the X that's Julio Jones or whoever that is we're going. But 696 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,920 after once the huddle breaks, those guys can really do whatever they want. 697 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,880 I mean, you could run around. It's not like a set play because 698 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,920 you're just running a simulated play on a piece of notebook paper. Yeah, 699 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,079 and then to see him the last two years almost play like that in real 700 00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:08,639 life, I can only imagine how must what it must have been like when 701 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:13,760 he was running fake plays in practice. Yeah, I mean he's been doing 702 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,079 the whole i mean, left handed throw behind the back, like little stuff 703 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,320 like that, just messing around being a being a football guy and having fun 704 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:28,719 on the football field. But he takes the game so serious before we even 705 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,599 install a single play by Wednesday, Like I'm talking notebooks filled filled chicken scratch, 706 00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:38,920 but filled, just absolutely filled of just I don't even known. I 707 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,440 call it a special book. That's amazing. So so you're having this incredible 708 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,719 success. I told you I had a trivia question for you. Okay, 709 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,880 okay, So you were the first guy first tight end in NFL history four 710 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,960 consecutive seasons over a thousand yards. Okay, who were you tied with and 711 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,000 then eventually broke? Who was record holder? Just in case anybody wants to 712 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,639 know, I feel like he's a New York kid. Who is he? 713 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,320 Man? I don't know. I mean, it's not important. In college, 714 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,079 I remember he transferred from Notre Dame to Miami. You're on, You're 715 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:16,559 closed? Are you kidding me? As soon as you hit that mark, 716 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,199 I was like, oh, I got a chance to break that one. 717 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,280 I got a chance. I thought I was gonna get four two, and 718 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,320 then my season broke along with my foot. But I remember texting with you 719 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,039 that night and and I mean this genuinely, like I'm I was joking around 720 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,400 about that, but I remember genuinely like that was something that when I when 721 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,199 I got my third year in twenty sixteen, twenty and fifteen, we went 722 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:42,280 to the Super Bowl. Then obviously there was that let down from losing it, 723 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,039 and then that was like a big motivation for me to like hold that 724 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,800 level. And there was talk that no one had done three getting that getting 725 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,840 that third one like it represented everything that I had tried to have my career 726 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,320 emulate, right, consistency, be productive, be reliable. I was never 727 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,400 the flashiest, but like just try to be the guy that was there every 728 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,119 day. And then I remember when you got your third in twenty eighteen, 729 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,079 I was like, you know what, Like I had watched you so much. 730 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,360 You were one of the handful of guys that every Thursday I would put 731 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,320 on all their targets and just see like what he was doing, and you 732 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,039 were. I mean, the reality is you were doing stuff in the passing 733 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:22,840 game that no one else was really doing. Other guys were productive, there 734 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,039 was production, but they weren't running the routes you were, and the shakes, 735 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,920 you know in the red zone, really sitting on that foot and crossing 736 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,360 face on those most tight ends, weren't running routes like you. And I 737 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,239 remember I was like, you know what borrowing something crazy happened. Kelsey's gonna 738 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,360 get four in a row. And I remember texting you the night. I 739 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,079 knew you were close, and I checked after the game and I knew you 740 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,000 broke it. I remember texting you and I was just like, if any 741 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:51,760 guy is gonna set that bar, like, I'm just glad it was you 742 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,559 because I just feel like you production wise, there's other guys, kittle, 743 00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,559 we can talk about all that, but your style of play tight end, 744 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,800 in my eyes, is very unique, and I think it's awesome. I 745 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,440 think it fits your team, I think it fits your quarterback, and you've 746 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,840 had arguably the greatest six or seven year run that anyone at the positions had. 747 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,800 So a little pack to myself, but mostly I was thrilled that you 748 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,559 were the guy that got that. For sure, I was. I mean, 749 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,159 I jokingly say I had had my eyes on that thing. But you've 750 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,719 got to be so fortunate, especially in this game and at this position, 751 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,960 a position where you're demanded to be everywhere on the field and do everything, 752 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,760 a lot of wear and tear, a lot of mileage. At the tight 753 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,480 end position, it's you've got to be fortunate to stay on the field to 754 00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:43,960 get that opportunity, and on top of that, to have these plays ran 755 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:45,400 for you or you know what I mean, called for you. And that's 756 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,480 where there's so much that goes into it. And I mean we just mentioned 757 00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:55,199 kindled Urt another guy. There's so many guys, and then there's guys that 758 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,519 you just wish that, you know what I mean, why don't they just 759 00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:02,039 give them another targets here and there? Man, the guys has got sauce, 760 00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,440 like I know, like a Darren Waller, a guy you know out 761 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,679 in Oakland right now, the another Golden Domer up in Minnesota. Yeah, 762 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,760 Kyle Rudolph, Yeah, I mean, I wish he would get more targets. 763 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,159 Man, I do too. That offense over the years has been kind 764 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:25,000 of a run offense under center naked's play action. But he's a really good 765 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,400 player, I think, And again I'm probably biased because this is the era 766 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,599 that we're all playing in. But you know, in talking with I mean 767 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,400 even a lot of the old Hall of Fame legendary guys that I've had a 768 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,239 chance to talk to him in the last couple of weeks, they were kind 769 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,920 of isolated. Unique animals in their day, right, there was they had 770 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,679 one or two competitors that they would kind of jockey with for all Pro or 771 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:52,760 for yardage leaders. In the last five to eight years, it's been there's 772 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,239 been a lot of guys. I mean, you just named him yourself, 773 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,079 Kittle Gronk now being back Waller jumped on the scene this year, Jimmy Graham, 774 00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:05,360 zach Ertz. And the one thing all these teams have in common is 775 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,599 those are all some of the best teams in the league. Yeah, I 776 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,320 mean you can argue it, man, I mean the heck the I think 777 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,719 it's you might have jumped it off, but they started naming past Super Bowls 778 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,039 and it's like, man, every single one of them had a at least 779 00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:22,800 there was there was at least one team and a lot of instances there were 780 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,280 two teams out there that had great tight ends or tight ends that that had 781 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,119 a lot of production and control in the middle of the field, man messing 782 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:37,559 and being able to tie that in with passing, passing game, run game. 783 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,519 Just the middle of the field has to be dominated. And I mean 784 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:45,800 the tight end position is it's undefeated. Me it's a mismatch anywhere on the 785 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,000 field. In my mind. Yeah, I mean so, I mean you 786 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,719 you just touched on it. You're a natural segue. Your segue ability is 787 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,440 off the charts. You must have my notes. Obviously this last, this 788 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:58,599 last super Bowl. Of course, you you guys were super Bowl champs. 789 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,679 You you, you know, you culminated an unbelievable season with the Super Bowl. 790 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,960 The arguably the two probably not even arguably unanimously the best two tight ends 791 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,920 in the NFL today match up. In that game, it was a huge 792 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,760 story, you know, huge storyline all throughout the week. I was part 793 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,599 of the pregame coverage and me and Tony Gonzalez spent four days just breaking down 794 00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:24,760 you and Kittle and why you guys were so important. We all know that 795 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,920 part, the part everybody is dying to know because I didn't get to experience 796 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,360 it. My one Super Bowl appearance was miserable and we lost and it was 797 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,519 not fun. But you, on the other hand, you got the enjoyment 798 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:44,360 of the after party and the parade and the fun. Like the game we 799 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:51,159 all watched. What was it like to win that Super Bowl and everything that 800 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:58,079 came from that point? Man, It's like walking up the tallest water slide 801 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:01,840 and just jumping and just in that wave. Dude just hands up and all 802 00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:07,639 just you know what I mean. It was an absolute blast to the moment 803 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,960 we got down there in Miami. How everyone treated us, the hospitality to 804 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,639 to when when the anthem goes off, the chiefs say chiefs at the end 805 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:17,360 of the national anthem, and you just you could feel how many people, 806 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,599 how many kids of city fans were in the stadium, and it meant so 807 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:27,760 much. It like it. It built up the tension, and you wanted 808 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239 to win it that much more, you know, And not that you didn't 809 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,039 want to win it like the most already, you know. I mean, 810 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,400 it just it just keeps adding to it. And and the built up emotion 811 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,639 of coming back in the fourth quarter, the perseverance. I mean, it's 812 00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,199 been a ride that I it's it's hard for me to explain, but it 813 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:49,039 has been. It's been so much fun enjoying this with the guys on the 814 00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,440 team. Uh though. The locker room after that Super Bowl is something that 815 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,000 I'll always remember. Man. I saw this a couple of the guys dancing 816 00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,239 with the little with their kids in the locker room, Like, man, 817 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,559 those are these are moments these kids, you know, what I mean. 818 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,039 I'm not gonna lie. I was. I was jealous. I'll be honest. 819 00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,679 I'm a man, I'm a I'm a man of my word, and 820 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,559 I'm honest I was. I was a little bit of hayten. I got 821 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,360 my one crack at it. Up till this point, there's always this year. 822 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,000 But I got my one crack at it. And uh, we had 823 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,280 alleged we had an all time season back in fifteen and we we were seventeen, 824 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,840 and we were seventeen and one fifteen and one. In the regular season, 825 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,400 we had beaten the Seahawks, then we had beaten the Cardinals, two 826 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,239 of the top teams, and we felt like that was our year and we 827 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,400 had our shot, and we just completely laid an egg. And my my 828 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:42,360 sitting in my room that night, in my lonely hotel room in Santa clar 829 00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,800 I'm sure it does not come near what new experience, but it was tough. 830 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,440 Yeah, it was. Listen, that's why we play, right, 831 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,440 I mean, that's the thrills are amazing, and the and the highs are 832 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,679 amazing, but the lows are tough. And whether it's a personal low or 833 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,719 a team low, you play this game long enough. You uh, you 834 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,280 experienced it all, man, you experienced it all. Now. I remember, 835 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,639 I remember the year before Pat came in, so Alex's last year. 836 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,480 And this one really grinds me talking about Alex Smith is that we're playing Tennessee 837 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,320 and Tennessee comes into the house and we're we go up twenty one nothing. 838 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,360 I have a touchdown like a hundred yards in the first quarter or like first 839 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,039 half, and we're rolling these dudes a two minute drill. At the end 840 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,679 of the first half, I get smoked, like knocked out. I felt 841 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,519 like Mike Tyson came out of left field and just hammered me, like I 842 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,719 wake up. I'm getting out of a what do you call it. I 843 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,239 was getting looked at by a machine at X ray or something MRI. I 844 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,880 don't know why I missed the MRI either way. So I was getting out 845 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,320 of the MRI and I was like, oh shit, oh shit, what's 846 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,199 the score of the game, because it's the second half of everything were we 847 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,119 were up twenty one and now now we're down three. It's twenty twenty four 848 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,719 twenty one, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like, how did 849 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,760 how did he how did he even get here, I got uncontrolled, just 850 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:06,000 couldn't control it of sitting there Aunty and my my seat, just trying to, 851 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,880 you know, hope that Alex has this last drive for a touchdown in 852 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,559 him. And those are helpless feelings, man, those are helpless feelings. 853 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,159 So we're so I'm doing some of the stuff for Fox. You're getting ready 854 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,639 to play in the game. I was doing some TV stuff and me and 855 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:27,039 Tony Gonzalez obviously and Gronk they had us talk about you and Kittle a lot, 856 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,960 and you know, comparing and contrasting, and I know, you know, 857 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,400 everyone knows back in eighteen, you guys kind of jockeyed back and forth 858 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,960 for the all time receptions title. But the thing I'm more curious about, 859 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:44,159 like hearing Tony Gonzalez a chief's legend, someone that I'm sure right when you 860 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,000 got drafted there you knew you were kind of falling and every record you were 861 00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:52,000 going for, every I mean, there was no more gold standard at the 862 00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,719 position across the league. But this is a guy that shared your uniform and 863 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,000 it is in your franchise record books. Like how aware of that were you? 864 00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,920 Because I know when I got drafted, So when I got drafted to 865 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,519 Chicago. Mike Dicko was like a legend. He oh, he hung over 866 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,880 everything with the franchise. But he played in nineteen sixty one, right, 867 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,679 so like it was a long time ago, but he's still casted a really 868 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,880 large shadow. But Tony was still playing. I mean he was still playing 869 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,760 at a high level just in Atlanta. Like, how aware were you when 870 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,880 you got drafted? Like I got some the last time they saw a big 871 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,400 time guy at this position, they arguably saw the greatest player who's ever played 872 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,639 ever. Put it on, dude, I'm when I tell you, I 873 00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:43,320 had never even thought I would like from the from the get go, from 874 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,920 the get go, I get drafted. I'm twenty three, I missed my 875 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,320 first year. I'm twenty four before I played my first game. So I'm 876 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,039 in my mind, I'm already. Tony got in the league when he was 877 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,639 like twenty or something. It was something crazy like young. It's probably you 878 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,360 were probably nineteen when you got in the league. Team. Yeah, he 879 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,559 has one and done in college. You know it goes. So I'm I'm 880 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:09,280 like, I'm five yards back. I'm like, I'm at least I'm three 881 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:15,559 to four years behind schedule. Already. So I'm like, there's no chance 882 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,880 for me to even catch this guy. Let me just be the greatest I 883 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,679 could be, now you know what I mean. But if I'm gonna wear 884 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:23,719 the same uniform, I gotta learn from this dude. I gotta fear. 885 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,840 Why is he this great? What makes him this great? So I went 886 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,840 out and I went straight to the film room my first or second weekend, 887 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,760 and I got a from two thousand and two to or two, from two 888 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,400 thousand and three to two thousand and nine, eight or nine, all Tony 889 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,320 Gazala's film All Tape, And I'll tell you what, it was a pleasure 890 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,679 watching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson as a dual threat. Yeah. Those were 891 00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,119 some dudes right there. Those are good names. Yeah, those were those 892 00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,119 were shout out to those guys. Shout out. So we're setting an all 893 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,599 time podcast record for shoutouts I got. I got so many left. I 894 00:57:55,679 --> 00:58:00,920 love it. We're not done yet, keep going. But so I'm watching 895 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,079 all this film and I'm like, man, this guy's like a machine, 896 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,679 Like he has to be doing this all the time. So when I when 897 00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:08,840 I went to go talk to him and pick his brain about it, he 898 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:14,119 everything he was talking about wasn't even what was really on the field. It 899 00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:15,880 was all all the work that he did in practice, all this and it 900 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,239 was like in my as a professional, I had to change how I even 901 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,800 looked at being an NFL player because I'm thinking NFL player, Oh and I'm 902 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,719 just playing football and now I you know, I got the bucks to do 903 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,599 it, to have some fun, and I didn't. I didn't realize what 904 00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:38,880 it meant to have a routine, have a consistent way to see yourself progress, 905 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:45,519 and to to make sure that your fundamentals are correct that end taking care 906 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,679 of the body, like he was saying, I mean, there's there's there's 907 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,039 legends that he only ate fish and didn't do red meat, and was this 908 00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:00,800 like chiseled Gonzalez just a beast of a beast man, but he like just 909 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:05,639 that in the hundred catches before practice. So what I got from t TG 910 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,199 was that there was so much that he did on the field that he had 911 00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:14,480 already been practicing, and he had been through so much of it through practice, 912 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:19,679 through through you know, just visualizing stuff coming together that you know, 913 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:25,320 you have to be this this type of professional to have success in this league 914 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,480 and obviously you have. You have one of the best, if not the 915 00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:32,719 best, guy to not only learn from across the league, but to share 916 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,039 the same franchise history with is is pretty unique. So you know, the 917 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:42,199 guy that you just talked about has held he holds every single tight end record. 918 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,280 His production is is insane. And I'm a big believer that and all 919 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:52,280 as selfless and as team oriented as guys are, and and and all that 920 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,519 being said, I do believe that there is a sense of pride and ego 921 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,880 in all great players. I don't I put myself in that category, and 922 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,760 not all the time. I'm proud of it. So I'm gonna put you 923 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,840 on the spot right now when you take a look, and I'm sure we've 924 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,880 all done it. I know I've looked. When you look at where you 925 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,719 are and what you've been able to accomplish in seven years, and you see 926 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,920 guys like Tony and Gates and Witten and Shannon, and you start seeing that 927 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,760 list in the back of your mind, are you saying, if I can, 928 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,199 if I can do this for a few more years, Like I can 929 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,719 see myself on that list with the all time greats, Like does that motivate 930 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,000 you? Like I know when I got later in my career, I'll be 931 01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,679 honest, it motivated me. It still does. Yeah. Have you Have 932 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,920 you taken a second to realize in seven years how much ground you've made up? 933 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,880 Yeah? No, I feel like without a doubt. I mean I've 934 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,239 I've always. I mean, heck, I've grown up and told you know, 935 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,159 don't don't play the game list you want to be the greatest. You 936 01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:58,880 know that that's just the mentality that my father and the culture that I grew 937 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:04,599 up playing sports around. So that mentality of mentality of being the greatest and 938 01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:08,639 wanting to be the you know, at least in mentions with the greats being 939 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:15,920 on that Mount Rushmore, uh per se. But it's it's just I didn't 940 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,719 get here trying to chase it, you know what I mean, it just 941 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,400 kind of happens. You don't. You don't, you don't get there with 942 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,400 the mentality of oh man, I got a I got one hundred yards this 943 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,000 game and a hundred yards this game that I can you know, I can 944 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:31,920 get closer to you know, getting over a thousand this year. During the 945 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,400 year, it's just so much you're you're in the routine of getting excited about 946 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,800 the plays, getting excited about you know, situational football, that it all 947 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,760 just comes together for you. And it took it took probably my third year 948 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,880 to really like hone in on that, Like, all right, it's not 949 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,800 just every first down get up and you know, throw the first down signal. 950 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,320 You have to focus and and and channel your mind in the right direction 951 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,360 and there. Yeah, and to that point, there's so much that goes 952 01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,880 into it, right, and some of it's in your control, some of 953 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,840 it's in our control, but there's also a lot of parts about our about 954 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,320 our position that are in other people's control, and being in the right place, 955 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,760 being healthy, having the right I just that was my way of just 956 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,920 making sure because I went back and looked where you stand. But the guys 957 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:22,280 that you're up with production wise played as long as I have. You are 958 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:29,440 only going into your eighth season. I mean, you have a long way 959 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:34,280 to go here, and I obviously everyone wishes you nothing but health and success, 960 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,679 but there's no reason that as long as things continue to go well and 961 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:43,239 knock on wood, I want to see you chase those records because I think 962 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,480 if anyone has that ability, you might be the I don't know if anyone 963 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,519 ever thought Gonzalez would be within reach. And you have a long way to 964 01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:54,119 go, don't get me wrong, But if anyone can do it, you've 965 01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:59,239 gotten off to I think as great a start as anyone could imagine. And 966 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,159 true, he's got just smirking those numbers, which I'm so happy for that 967 01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:05,760 dude. Man, he's such a good dude, and he's way younger than 968 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,920 us, way younger. I finally started clicking by my third year in the 969 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,400 league, and it's been clicking for some for about three years now. Hopefully 970 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,519 he resets the tight end market for all of you guys. Man, he 971 01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:21,519 is about to break. I hope he makes a billion dollars. Let me 972 01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:22,840 tell you, man, this, this was awesome. Well, man, 973 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,360 I'll tell you well, every time we've been together, whether it's been at 974 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,159 Pro Bowls or doing one chip challenges, this conversation, whether it's been a 975 01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:34,039 text, I got a ton of respect for you. Man. You're fun 976 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,360 to watch. You're a great dude. I've always enjoyed being around you, 977 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,360 watching you, texting with you, chatting with you, and for you to 978 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,920 come on and be a part of this story, the story of the evolution 979 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,360 of the tight end who you've now you know, brought it to a level 980 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,880 that I don't know anyone really ever could have imagined has been. Has been 981 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,559 really cool for me, and I hope you enjoyed it, and I think 982 01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:59,800 everyone's going to really enjoy having having your perspective as we kind of lay out 983 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,360 this this history of the position. Definitely, Man, I appreciate you doing 984 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,880 this, man getting everybody a little educated on the tight end world. Man, 985 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,639 it's a tight knit family. Baby, You're always one of the greatest 986 01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,519 in my mind. Man, thanks you always forever. All Right, I 987 01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:15,000 appreciate it. But he's good talking to you. Stay safe and uh, 988 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,239 I'm sure we'll cross past this season, all right, g K, see 989 01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:27,159 you, buddy. So as we've entered this modern NFL landscape, the personalities 990 01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,480 of these tight ends have really come out, and Travis Kelsey's got to be 991 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:34,000 at the top of that list. He's a fun guy. He loves life, 992 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,280 he loves to live it to its fullest. And as good of a 993 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,719 player he is, he's as fun and as energetic and as good of a 994 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,760 guy. He's somebody I've enjoyed getting to know over the years as our careers 995 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,440 have overlapped I've loved watching him from Afar, and that was as fun a 996 01:04:48,480 --> 01:05:04,159 conversation as we've had during this entire series. If you've enjoyed the show, 997 01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:08,960 don't forget to subscribe, rate, review, and tell your friends. Next 998 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,159 episode, I'll be talking to George Kittle, so be sure to listen. 999 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:26,280 In t E one is a Blue Wire podcast. 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