WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.319 It's time to talks FORO. It's time for the show. You hear this 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:08.400 song on the radio, It's time to tune in better rap beast, let 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:24.160 me cat that on Potograph Sports Talk Radio starting now. What's up everybody, 4 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.839 and welcome to episode two, one hundred and twenty one. Uh, let 5 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:33.320 me get that potograph. We are back and my name, of course is 6 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:38.799 Drew or the Dhent joining me my awesome co host, mister Scott. Rap 7 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:42.039 up or what up? Dude? What is going on? Drew? It 8 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.640 is going to be back after a couple of weeks. It is as the 9 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:50.640 people in the green room who listen on YouTube and this week on Facebook, 10 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.159 I've heard us say multiple times prior to the show, and if you want 11 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.520 to catch that action for yourself, the pre show, the break, the 12 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:00.840 post show, check us out on YouTube and Facebook, and don't forget to 13 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.319 hit that like and subscribe button at the bottom to make sure that you can 14 00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:07.879 notific notified every time that we Yeah, do what he said for sure? 15 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:12.400 It helps. Oh please? So things been good, but no, it's 16 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.879 good to be back. Sorry guys. Once again, we were going for 17 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.599 a few weeks. A lot of that is my fault, A we normally 18 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:26.840 have our birthday show since oddly enough we have the exact same birthday. It's 19 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.480 really weird. But yeah, so we didn't have our birthday show, which, 20 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.719 by the way, Scott, happy birthday day you too as well. 21 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:40.719 Thank you. Turned the Big four. Oh fuck, But we work on 22 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.120 for a few weeks. Well, hold on, I turned the Big four 23 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:46.760 five, so I don't want to give that the whole Big four oh craft, 24 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.480 because there you go. So we skipped the birthday show this year and 25 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:53.480 I had to do a couple of things and just things didn't work out. 26 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.799 So we're working on it for a few weeks, guys. But we are 27 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.560 back today and we have a Jam Jam Jam Paw show once again. 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So some craziness happened. 37 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:46.120 Pretty wild story really, when you think about it, it shows what a 38 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.680 lot of money can do for you. But ever since the Michael Jordan rookie 39 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.719 card came out, you know, in eighty six tops and all that stuff, 40 00:02:53.120 --> 00:03:00.680 there have been no copies that were PSA ten ten's in terms of the 41 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.080 card and the autograph, an autographed copy of the rookie card. Now, 42 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.439 there's a lot of auto rookies period, but the ten tens, not one 43 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:15.840 head ever surface forever, that is until now, and that is until last 44 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:22.840 week when six of them hit the market. That's right, six Jordan PSA 45 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:29.199 ten ten ten autos hit the market. And this story is just crazy, 46 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.680 Scott, This is this is nuts. So some guy paid for a private 47 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:38.199 signing with Michael Jordan, which is going to be expensive enough as it is. 48 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:43.560 He brought with him, Yeah, he brought with him ten already graded 49 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.240 PSA ten six eighty six fleer Oh sorry six. I was looking at the 50 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:55.039 grade ten six eighty six fleer PSA tens along with somebody from PSA who came 51 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.319 with him cracked the cards out right there, you know, witness the signatures, 52 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.439 and then they went back to PSA in order to get slabbed with the 53 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:10.199 ten grade and the ten autograph. That is one of the craziest things ever, 54 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.000 because one, how much do you think it costs to do a private 55 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:16.519 signing with Michael Jordan? Oh God, I have no idea. I have 56 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:24.240 a feeling this person had some type of connection with Michael Jordan to begin with. 57 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:29.079 I don't think it was like any type of just regular thing, because 58 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.839 I mean, Jordan doesn't even need the money for a private signing or anything 59 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.519 like that. I think this is a person that has a little bit of 60 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:40.639 a connection and knew like, hey, Jordan's gonna be here, this is 61 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.439 probably a good time to get him. It's six cards, it's something really 62 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.639 iconic, and Jordan's gonna understand. Jordan, trust me, he knows what 63 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:53.399 his stuff is worth. He probably looks at it as like, Okay, 64 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.560 this is pretty awesome, because I mean, think about it, for almost 65 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:01.120 fifty years, there's been no ten tens and so now you're gonna get six 66 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:05.319 of them. I think it was more along the lines of he either has 67 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:12.439 a relationship with Jordan or knows someone that has insane access to him, which 68 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.480 that could be something as simple as just someone that worked on the Bobcats and 69 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.000 the Hornets. You know, there's a lot of ways you can have that 70 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:25.360 access. It could be, and nobody's mentioned like how risky of a move 71 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.800 this actually was. Well, it's a risky move as long as PSA is 72 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:30.720 not there. Well no, no, no, no, no. I 73 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:36.079 think even with PSA there, it's still a risky move because what happens if 74 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:41.879 Jordan is signing the card and something happens to the marker and all of a 75 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.360 sudden streaky, streaky or something. There's something along those lines where it's not 76 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.480 going to turn out where the autograph turns out to be a ten. You 77 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:51.319 know, I'm not concerned about Jordan like running off the card or anything like 78 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.680 that. I'm concerned about like, okay, uh, I'm gonna use this 79 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.879 marker he's gonna sign. He probably had six different markers that he would, 80 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:01.680 you know, one for each one, just to make sure it was all 81 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:06.720 fresh, and probably tested it out beforehand. But there's always that chance that 82 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.839 like it could come up from the surface just a little bit where it just 83 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.360 makes it so it's not a ten. Oh yeah, and all of a 84 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.160 sudden, you well, I don't want the card, but you know, 85 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:23.279 you still it is risky and that would automatically ruin it because there's a ton 86 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.240 of autographs that aren't a tend, you know, so you know these had 87 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.480 to get tens. And especially considering he was putting inscriptions on the two and 88 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.839 not just the autograph. Yep, there's a big chance, you know, 89 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:40.199 for that to possibly happen. He really had to have taken his time or 90 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.720 they really had to make sure these markers were good. And he just used 91 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.560 a blue sharpie, which as we look at the photos again, Scott, 92 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.040 I got to ask you, when you're looking at stuff like this, was 93 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.720 blue sharpie the way to go? No, blue sharpie was not the way 94 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.040 to go. You could if you're looking at it, because if you use 95 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.480 ballpoint pen then it's gonna mess up the surface and it's not gonna tend. 96 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:08.680 And I understand not using a paint pen because they could could leap through that. 97 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.720 It may not it may not have been a it may not have been 98 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.240 a sharpie, It could have been a different like I, I use these 99 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:19.040 Stadler markers for uh autographed signings. This is uh, you know typically what 100 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:24.519 typically what tops and Panini will use also. But the I would have gone 101 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:28.160 with a different color because again you can get you can get these in silver 102 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:33.480 or and red actually look beautiful. Silver. Red wouldn't have worked. Red 103 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.680 jersey, Yeah, red wouldn't worked because of the jersey. Just like blue, 104 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.360 it blends in with the crowd. So I would gone black. Wouldn't 105 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.160 Black wouldn't have worked either, because that's gonna blend in with the bund. 106 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.199 You gotta go with silver, maybe gold, maybe gold since the sides have 107 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.160 you know, that yellowish a little bit and the Fleer logo, the clear 108 00:07:55.319 --> 00:08:00.199 little flag that everyone you know looks at when they're trying to tell if it's 109 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.279 a fake or something. You know, like maybe that, yeah, you 110 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.600 know, because it looks good with that, But you got to go with 111 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.680 a color like that. I thought blue was just terrible. I saw that. 112 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.800 The guy that did it said he did that because blues the favored color 113 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.680 of collectors, and yes it is, but that's when you can see something 114 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.720 when you can't see it, every collector is gonna want to see it. 115 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.800 But exactly, or maybe maybe you do three three and silver three and gold 116 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.399 two in silver two and gold two in white. You know, anything of 117 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.919 that life awesome. White would have looked awesome and it would have matched the 118 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.200 bulls them. You know, white would have been beautiful. So I do 119 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.840 hate the blue. But apparently he's already turned down one hundred million dollar offer 120 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:48.440 for this now to get this done, he probably played paid close to five 121 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.240 million when everything, when everything's all said and done, because just to get 122 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.399 the cards alone, he had to pay over two million dollars, like to 123 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.559 acquire six PSA ten Jordan's. I thought, they've got they've come down. 124 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.240 They've come down quite a bit since the pandemic when they were when they were 125 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.639 running like of thousand. Well, regardless of that, getting Jordan alone is 126 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.639 going to cost well over right dollars. So if you had those two together, 127 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.320 plus all the flights, hiring PSA to come down there, all the 128 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:22.360 re slabbing costs, all that type of stuff, everything all sudden done. 129 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.759 Way over to me, I'd say close to like five million, maybe ten 130 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.519 million to get this done. But you know it, if you're turning down 131 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.240 one hundred million and you're paying that kind of money to begin with. You 132 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.639 don't need it, you know, I mean, but I'd still I'd still 133 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.279 take I'd still take the offer. I would take it too. My cash 134 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.440 out number is way lower than one hundred million dollars. Uh, in this 135 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.480 hobby. If if I got a third of that, Bye, guys, 136 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.039 you won't see me again. Well you might, but not for a long 137 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.399 time. That you'll know, and you may keep it quiet, but there 138 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.919 will be subtle hints. Yeah, oh yeah, there'll be total hints. 139 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.000 But I mean, maybe this is just a flex he wants who knows, 140 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:13.679 or maybe that one hundred million dollars offers not exactly the one hundred million dollars 141 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.799 that they say it is. You know, it's not like it's confirmed or 142 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.799 anything. It's not like it was a there's not like a screenshot of a 143 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.559 declined eBay offer. You know, it's just kind of what we have. 144 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.279 But let's be honest. Even if there was a screenshot of a declined eBay 145 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.440 offer, people can make those up all the time anyway, So it's not 146 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.840 you know, oh yeah, I got one hundred million dollars off. Turn 147 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.600 it down and it turns out it's like it's your buddy that made you the 148 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:43.279 offer, and you know it's all for publicity. So but look, it's 149 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.320 I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's not worth a hundred million dollars, 150 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.120 right, No, I'm saying that I would have taken could be. Yeah, 151 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.200 I would have taken from the entire Dude, They're the only six in 152 00:10:54.279 --> 00:11:00.399 the entire world, like I mean ship all right, So the last one 153 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:05.480 June twenty ninth one sold for two hundred and seven thousand, four hundred dollars, 154 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.039 So six of them, you're looking at over a million dollars for the 155 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:15.080 Michael Jordan rookies. Yeah, so he's paying way over two million dollars to 156 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:20.679 get that done. Oh absolutely. Hey, Hey, to let's say even 157 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.320 if it's five five into and let's say the hundred is not real, but 158 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.679 seventy five is five into seventy five, it's seventy million dollars come up on 159 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.039 doing this? Oh yeah, asolutely brilliant in mine. I'd be doing that 160 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.159 in the heartbeat. And the reality is he probably flew Southwest for fifty nine 161 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.440 dollars and brought the PSA guy on a companion pass for free, and no 162 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:48.320 I'm actually probably flew private jet and you know, yeah actually spirit right, 163 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.120 yeah, flu spirit you get it done, all right. So if you 164 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.200 haven't seen it, check it out. It's pretty interesting story. But Scott, 165 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.600 let's move on now to a couple million dollars that were but that was 166 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:05.480 stolen. Two million dollars might not have been what uh this guy paid to 167 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.519 get to Jordan's but someone in Dallas, dude, they had a bad weekend. 168 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.720 Yeah. When I saw this post, dude, this was the craziest 169 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.200 thing and the funny. So the weird thing about it was about a couple 170 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.279 of days before the theft happens, the same guy posted in a in a 171 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.639 couple of the groups, Yes that he had, you know, like anybody 172 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.840 who wanted, you know, fifty two Mickey mantles for then you know, 173 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.120 inventory of the national he's got them and he's looking to sell them. And 174 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.039 then the next thing, you know, like those get uh, those get 175 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.320 stolen, and you know, along with a whole bunch of other cards that 176 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.519 I think they were valued to like two million dollars. Right at two million 177 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.559 dollars. There's been people trying to you know, challenge that and everything. 178 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.440 But even if you look at like insanely low comps, and some of them 179 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.919 really don't have any recent comps. I mean, you're looking at one point 180 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.120 seven to two million dollars easily, if not more. And so what I 181 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.559 don't get is so the the pictures they showed of the guy walking off with 182 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.759 the case, I mean some of them are a little bit greeny. Some 183 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.080 of the close up ones of his shows face. You can definitely see who 184 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.240 it is. It looked like the case was one of the relatively smaller ones, 185 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.320 but maybe that was just me and then the quick you know, the 186 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.639 quick notice it didn't look like it could fit all of that stuff in there. 187 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.279 I'm not saying he didn't. You know, the case could have been 188 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.559 larger than I you know that I'm remembering, but like I'm thinking about that, 189 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.480 like holy like that that case seems smaller than what, uh, you 190 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.559 know, what would fit all of those slabs, right, But again, 191 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.639 from a distance, it could just look smaller, and then you know they're 192 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.039 probably all in there. Look ah, she is a good guy. You 193 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.039 know, he's got a great reputation within the hobby, So I have no 194 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.840 reason to doubt him. You know, if those were all in there no 195 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.279 reason. And these guys, uh, the pictures I was just showing were 196 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.919 the clothes they were wearing before they switched out fit. They specifically moved and 197 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.480 got all of his people that were surrounding him together. That looked to me 198 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.679 like exactly what you have a high end like all your high end stuff in 199 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.519 I guarantee you the high end stuff was in there. Everything else was in 200 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.360 something else, because you know, a lot of people carry the same thing. 201 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.320 My biggest thing with all of this is and I don't want to make 202 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.679 it sound like I'm saying it's like his fault that happened. This should never 203 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.039 happen at a card show. And I don't care if you have cameras. 204 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.320 There needs to be better security for this. And as someone that worked shows 205 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.919 like literally every other weekend, I'm about to do fourteen days on the road 206 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:48.879 and do three shows including the National, and I've already done fifteen to twenty 207 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:56.799 this year alone, there's a major problem with people getting in that aren't vendors. 208 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.080 Like there's a lot of people that can easily get into a card show, 209 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:07.080 whether it's bad swapping, whether whatever it is. Some of them just 210 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.440 walked straight through and just get in there and they can walk around all week 211 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.399 and long. These guys, it was proven through camera angles they were scouting 212 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.960 this dude's table all weekend, which tells me at the beginning of the show 213 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.519 the footage we probably haven't seen. They walked the floor, they saw what 214 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.399 people were putting out, they saw this boost, and they were like, 215 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:33.279 all right, we're gonna figure something out. They probably want. Yeah, 216 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.039 they probably walked in during setup when the show wasn't open, but the back 217 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.840 door is usually open. You know, people do that in Chicago all the 218 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.480 time. They used to People used to come to the show and like they 219 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.960 would know that Beckett was taking submissions for rock rading and stuff like that, 220 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.399 like the Thursday for setup, and they wanted to get their cards in line, 221 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.919 so they got them back on Friday, so they would come in and 222 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.279 you know, drop their stuff off on Thursday. They just walking through the 223 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.120 back door. There's nothing. Now, those people are all legit it. 224 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.919 They were there for legitimate reasons, even though they were vendors. But these 225 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.279 guys clearly knew what they were doing. Oh no, no, no, 226 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.559 they knew what they were doing. This was a big set up. The 227 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.320 one dumb thing. They switched their clothes, they did everything else, but 228 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.879 they forgot that they had tattoos. I think the tattoos is gonna make it 229 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.639 very easy when they do get caught. As far as the car is being 230 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.399 insured, I do not think so. They may have been. And a 231 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.440 lot of people were saying this was an inside job type of deal. No, 232 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.960 guys, an inside job. You do not go to a card show 233 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:38.200 to fucking do it you like they're so, if you want to do this 234 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.279 with insurance, there's so much better ways to do this for insurance fraud. 235 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:48.000 This is people stage stage, a breaking stage of breaking at your house. 236 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.279 Yes, we're talking about that kind of money. Yeah, you do not 237 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.639 take it to one of the biggest shows in the country for insurance fraud. 238 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:03.919 So that just makes no sense. And that's just people's you know, conspiracy 239 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.640 theory, brain jumping out like we do nowadays. We got to try and 240 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.480 blame the person that's fucked over. Plus I know the person right here and 241 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.519 they have a lot of integrity and it's not someone I think is one day 242 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.119 going to go bad or anything like that. No, this is a stand 243 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.559 up person that doesn't need to do this like this did. Not ruin his 244 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:26.119 life in any way, shape or form, but it's a massive blow to 245 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.720 his life. So yeah, you know, I hope they do get it 246 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.240 back. I think they will, like I said, because of the tattoos. 247 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.240 But here's my biggest thing. If you've got that type of cards, 248 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.920 and this goes for all of you out there, even if you have cards 249 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.240 that are worth hundreds of dollars, whatever's big to you, your big cards, 250 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:48.279 go on Amazon dot com. Buy a freaking air tag. Hide it 251 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.799 underneath the padding of your case. If an air tag had been in here, 252 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.720 all they'd have to do is click on it, show the police. 253 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.759 They're arrested in no time. Here's the funny thing. Heck to yourself. 254 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.680 So at the National I can't remember if it was last I think it was 255 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:08.880 last year. My buddy Vin was walking around with the case and he had 256 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:14.400 his air tag on a little keychain attached to the handle. I'm like, 257 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.400 yead, what are you doing? Like, so I take I take the 258 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.400 AirTag, take the take the you know, the little leather keyring, off 259 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.039 it, off the handle, dude. I took the airteg out and slide 260 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:30.279 it in between the padd and he's like Oh shit, Yeah, Like that's 261 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.000 that's what you need to do. That's that's it. I mean you have 262 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.640 to if you're taking that type of stuff around these days. Look, I'm 263 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.200 telling you this isn't the last time this is going to happen. More people 264 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.400 are going to have ship stolen from them. It will happen, I promise 265 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:51.599 you, because more criminals know what's going on in this industry. As you 266 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:56.400 can see, the cards in here are just absurd. The good thing is 267 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:00.200 a lot of these do have noticeable flaws being vined, even though they're not 268 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.480 numbered. And a lot of these things like the crease on this the thirty 269 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:08.599 two to five mantle right over here on the right, you know, that's 270 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:14.519 you can't really replicate that or get rid of it. So I think some 271 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.440 of this stuff, you know, if they don't find the guy soon, 272 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.720 I think you're gonna be able to find out some of the stuff that's going 273 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:26.519 on in terms of these But I hope it happens. But for Fox's sake, 274 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.119 using AirTag guys like, you've got to protect yourself. You can't walk 275 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.559 around with two million dollars. Even though I know ninety percent of the vendors 276 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.519 at the Dallas Card Show in particular, know each other because a lot of 277 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.400 times it's the same vendors with maybe ten new ones really at that show, 278 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.200 which was a complaint I heard this weekend. I think they need to work 279 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:51.240 heavily on getting new vendors in instead of grandfathering in everyone, because a lot 280 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.680 of people are tired of saying the same people and no one knew. But 281 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.839 I know you think you're friends with all of them and everything, that doesn't 282 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.160 mean you're friends with all the people they're getting in. And that's the problem 283 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.440 with these shows is they're really not that strict on who can get in, 284 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:10.599 like we said, And if you're not going to protect yourself with something as 285 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.880 simple, all you have to do is buy a freaking whatever thirty fifty dollars 286 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.319 air tag, hide it in the box, and the problem solved. I'm 287 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.480 just surprised. I'm just surprised that, like nobody has recognized. Mean, 288 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.400 these are clear pictures that they put out of these guys. Oh and they 289 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.519 got clear identifying marks, and you would think that somebody would have recognized them 290 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.759 by now, especially with a seventy thousand dollars reward on this. That's what 291 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:38.359 I'm saying there's a seventy thousand fucking dollar reward, Like, come on, 292 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:45.319 but they've got to have these people by now. I mean, it blows 293 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.880 my mind that they don't. Yeah, I know, tell me about it. 294 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.759 But you know what else blew my mind this past week? Do you 295 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.200 see the pictures of that PSA vent I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, 296 00:20:55.440 --> 00:21:00.440 the pictures of the PSA vending machine. Yeah, put it in a Yeah, 297 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.160 I had to throw it an air quote. So I'm sorry because it 298 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.799 turns out that well, well it didn't really turn out. We all kind 299 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.359 of knew about this, but PSA had nothing to do with it. This 300 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.400 is one of the now I will say I give them points for creativity. 301 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.319 I think it's you know, I mean, I think would be really cool 302 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.799 to be able to walk up to a vending machine and you know, say, 303 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.759 hey, I'll get a slab card. Yeah I'm not paying. I'm 304 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:25.440 not paying seventy five dollars for the slabbed sports card or frankly fifty dollars for 305 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.720 the slabbed Pokemon card. That there were the two options, especially when you 306 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.640 know the majority of the cards are probably like a bunch of PSA ten Wander 307 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:38.079 Franco Rookies. No, they're worse than that. I saw a James Harden 308 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:45.599 optic insert PSA ten an insert just bas not hollow, not nothing, just 309 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.519 like a fast line James Harden base PSA ten come out of these things, 310 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.759 it's boy had it now. I do want to say one thing U the 311 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:03.160 PSA logo and everything that you see here that has been removed ever since PSA 312 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:08.599 came out with their statement, which their statement that they came out with is 313 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:15.799 a little a little ridiculous. It basically says that the person that owns and 314 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:26.119 operates this machine is a authorized dealer that is using their submissions for this machine, 315 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.200 so they're not taking insubmissions from other people and grading for other people and 316 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.279 things like that. They got authorized dealer status simply to grade a whole bunch 317 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:41.000 of stuff and put them in these vending machines. And it's so popular right 318 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.880 now in Vegas. It's actually sold out now. I don't know if it's 319 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.000 so. I don't yes, I don't know if it's sold out because maybe 320 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.799 they're choosing to stop for a lot. More information comes out, which I 321 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:57.720 want to talk about in just a second, or if it truly is sold 322 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:04.000 out, but they did moved the PSA logo and everything since PSA came down 323 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:10.079 and found this, which I'm surprised PSA let it go one day because the 324 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:14.680 box all it had was PSA on it, and it looked like one of 325 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.599 the high end PSA boxes that they send out to customers. Like they ripped 326 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:25.000 the box off completely. There's no way PSA didn't see this until because I, 327 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.920 I mean, with with my work with Jim Mint, i work closely 328 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.559 with PSA, and I know a lot of people in PSA, and I 329 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.559 know how active they are on social media and the groups everything. They're just 330 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:41.599 quiet and under different names, but they're in there, and I can tell 331 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.839 you right now, I know they saw this vending machine a long time before 332 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:51.039 they addressed it. They waited until Rattle Pokemon and all those other people started 333 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:56.720 making videos about it, questioning who's behind it, Is PSA behind it and 334 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:02.519 all that because and PSA essentially let them rip this vending machine completely off and 335 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.000 throw it right down there in Vegas, right near them, a couple hours 336 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:11.839 from them. And I'm really curious about one thing, Scott, Okay, 337 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.799 all of this stuff if we tried to do this. If we put up 338 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.519 a vending machine Jim Mitt, and we branded it just like this photo right 339 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.640 here that we're showing online. Once again, guys, we do have open 340 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:29.200 phone lines tonight, call in if you would like. But if we put 341 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.400 something up like that and all we had was that right there on there, 342 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.880 just a PSA logo, nothing with Jimmett and all that, we would get 343 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:42.079 a phone call within one to two days saying get that shit down right away 344 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:48.799 with our logo. Yep. And I want to know why these people didn't 345 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.400 get that call. And I have a feeling when a lot of people that 346 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.279 are doing this digging blowout rattle and all those guys, when we finally find 347 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.119 out who's behind it, I think there's a reason why. That's what scares 348 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.920 me. Yeah, because they don't authorized dealer status to a lot of people. 349 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.480 No, No, they don't give people to do it when they know 350 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:12.759 all they're doing is feeding a vending machine. No, you got to pull. 351 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.920 It would have to be but you're saying it would have to be somebody 352 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.160 who's relatively close to Vegas because you've got to be able to constantly restock this 353 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.519 thing or well not necessarily it could be someone that lives on the East coast 354 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.160 and just hires someone to stock it. Oh yeah, I guess that's true 355 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.079 too. But it doesn't surprise me that it's sold out even at those even 356 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.640 to those prices, and even with the craft that's coming out of that machine 357 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.559 too, doesn't because it's especially with the attention on it. Well, it's 358 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.319 not even the attention. It's Vegas. People are there to gamble, That's 359 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.119 what it is. This is a gamble. Ripping up, ripping a box 360 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:52.000 of wax is a gamble. And see a video where one but somebody pulls 361 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:57.039 one of the cards they keep showing as a chase card on the on the 362 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:03.799 actual vending machine, because so far we have not seen anyone post a video 363 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.680 of oh my god, I hit some amazing card. All Westein is a 364 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:12.440 whole bunch of shit as one good card, I'll say, Okay, well, 365 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.480 I'll tell you exactly what it is. You probably need to buy out 366 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.799 the entire machine because it's probably the last box schedule to pop out. Probably 367 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.720 is because frankly that's what I would do. Yeah, And how many people 368 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.519 also, to be fair, how many people buying are also just in Vegas 369 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.160 see it, the kid might like cards, they buy it for their kid, 370 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.160 he walks away, who knows. You know, there is the possibility 371 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.799 of that being in Vegas. But I just find it very very suspect that 372 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.920 because I know if our company did it, and we work closer to it 373 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:52.400 with PSA than almost any other company in the country, and I know if 374 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.480 we did that, within within three to four days of that thing being up, 375 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.319 we'd have a call to tell him to take it down, change everything 376 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.440 about it, put our logo on it, have PSA not on it whatsoever, 377 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.920 maybe on the box on the inside or something, but it would all 378 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:14.160 be branded as gem meant not PSA. And so I it blew my mind 379 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.160 that they let this go for so long, and they let it go until 380 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.319 people complained, which is the ship that just a noys me. Well, 381 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.440 you know, because they stopped it. They complained because they stocked it with 382 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:30.240 crap like a James Pardon insert exactly exactly. They literally stopped it, like 383 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.640 if I went through a bunch of cards that like, I guarantee you I'll 384 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:40.640 find something right here that they'd stock it in with. Yeah, freaking there, 385 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:48.160 Trey Lance. Yeah, the prism pocket Rodriguez, that's what they would 386 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.880 stock it with or check out. I got I got this Pat Wait wait, 387 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.079 I got this Pat Mahomes Rookie that they'd probably stock it with me Alonzo 388 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.519 Morning Prism, Red white and blue. There Pat Homes Rookie. Yes see. 389 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.119 But that's that's the type of ship that I'm talking about, lou Bob 390 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:12.759 Bowman paper insert PSA ten right, just non and Meryld Barnes Diamond Kings PSA. 391 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:21.680 You go to there you go. Yeah, so just ridiculous. And 392 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.000 I hope I cannot wait to find out the names of the people that are 393 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:33.759 actually behind this, because they I just know. But we'll find out soon. 394 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.599 But one thing for sure that you aren't lining in their pockets with money, 395 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.279 I know. And you know what, we need to lign our pockets 396 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.039 with money too. So we'll be back after this break, all right, 397 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.599 we are back. Thanks for putting up with all of that crap. If 398 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.400 you are on Spotify, iHeartMedia or iTunes, if you were on YouTube and 399 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.200 Facebook this week, you didn't have to put up with it. Yeah that's 400 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.240 it. You got all the fun stuff. Yeah, you heard the banter, 401 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.680 the witty banter. You heard my comment about vending machines, and now 402 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:11.680 we are here speaking of here, so we got some weird stuff coming from 403 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.920 TOPS, and I say weird. I say weird because it's very unlike them 404 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.240 to do this. So Tops. TOPS has actually been really good with redemptions 405 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.799 over the last you know, decade or so, I would say, much 406 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:29.920 better than Panini has been with redemptions, with the exception of the whole with 407 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.559 Will, with the exception of the whole Wander Wander Franco redemption fiasco, and 408 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.880 yeah, credit and some random replacements and stuff for people, but typically they're 409 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:44.119 pretty good. Well, they have decided to do something that Panine's been doing 410 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:52.160 for a while and come out with their variation of the white box for redemption 411 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.119 cards that have not been fulfilled in was it one hundred days or more? 412 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.640 Thought it was one hundred and twenty, but either way, it's one hundred 413 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.519 days or more and are valued at one hundred or more. So if you 414 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.640 have one hundred, if you have ninety nine, it doesn't count. Now 415 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.519 the value does come between and a discussion between you and TOPS, you come 416 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:17.759 to an agreement. If you have one ninety nine you still get one box. 417 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.519 If you have two hundred dollars, you get two boxes, and so 418 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:27.480 that's how they're doing it. They have to. But see, you can 419 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:33.319 have two redemptions worth fifty, you can combine them to be one hundred, 420 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.319 So you can combine redemptions to get to that one hundred dollars threshold, and 421 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.880 then you get one of these boxes mutually agreed between the two. And that's 422 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.920 well not That's the part that throws me because with in the past when Tops 423 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:51.519 has had to do replacements, they haven't exactly been on the up and up 424 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:57.559 when it comes to value on what the original redemption you know, is currently 425 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:03.680 at from a market standpoint. So I'm hoping that you know, this is 426 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.279 going to change things a little bit, but I'm curious to see what's going 427 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.920 to happen with some of these cards that end up coming coming out of these 428 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:15.799 You know, I I completely agree with you. And just to let you 429 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.920 guys know, you know how Panini has the white box one oh one type 430 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:25.240 of thing that they put on all of theirs. Tops has a new thing 431 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.960 where it's as Tops. It's like an employee stamp. Let me pull it 432 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.880 up. I have a schemes. I just don't I just can't get a 433 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.480 picture of It's a load for us everyone that's watching live. But it's number 434 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.480 double zero out of double zero and has a special top stamp on it. 435 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.759 So they do have something for this as like a white box stamp. You 436 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.319 know. Well, but according according according to this program, though it said 437 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:57.359 that it was they were using you know, unfulfilled redemptions. Uh, well, 438 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.759 and that's stunt, and so I don't if they're going to put a 439 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.200 separate stamp on that. Well, they might not, they might not. 440 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:12.000 We'll have to see when everything does roll out. I just know that someone 441 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.359 recently just got a redemption back and in their redemption they got multiple cards that 442 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.359 were numbered zero zero out of zero zero with a special stamp. So we 443 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:30.640 might be getting this top exchange program right here in an and also getting these 444 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.720 cards on the market that are number zero zero out of zero zero in replace 445 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.720 of redemption. So who knows that there could be two separate things. We 446 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.039 haven't seen one of these, you know, the programs not out yet. 447 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:52.839 It says here on the form that each collector's allowed one appointment slot, so 448 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.839 you have to it looks like you have to book an appointment, discuss everything 449 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.119 with the representative. They're coming to an agree in on your redemptions and then 450 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:07.079 they'll send you the boxes out. I'm very similar to this. I don't 451 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.440 think they're gonna send the boxes out. I think they're going to have them 452 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.640 on site at the name. That's what I was gonna say. I yeah, 453 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.279 Well, it doesn't say how long this program is going to be. 454 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.880 It looks like this is going to be for a while, but it could 455 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.839 be at the national But I think they're going to send them out as well. 456 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.759 Maybe the ones they send out are going to be the zero zero at 457 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:34.079 of zero zeros and I don't know, but the but if you're scheduling, 458 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.880 if you have to schedule an appointment, that typically indicates because they're talking about, 459 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.359 you know, being at the TOPS booth, if you have to schedule 460 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.599 way, it's actually, yeah, it's actually an appointment at the TOPS booth. 461 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.000 So it's very similar to what Panini does, you know, where you 462 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.960 can schedule an appointment with them and swap out redemption. So they're doing this, 463 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.599 so it's going to be interesting to see what they do with redemptions ordered 464 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:04.039 in one hundred days past this or this might just be their way of jumping 465 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.480 in and saying, hey, let's get as many of these outstanding redemptions gone 466 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:13.039 as we can at the national by doing something similar to what NIMI does, 467 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.199 and then maybe this goes away after that. It's possible. But then here's 468 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.440 what I still want to know though, hold on, I still want to 469 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:27.800 know why this guy got three cards in the mail for redemption that had zero 470 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.639 zero at a zero zero, which is essentially a white box one a line 471 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.519 in the mail for his redemptions. Well maybe, well maybe if there's hold 472 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.400 on, maybe, if there's somebody from TOPS who's watching the show right now, 473 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.760 you can jump on that call in line and you know, give us 474 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.639 an answer, because that would be really cool. But my biggest here's my 475 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.239 thing, because if this is going to be an ongoing promotion, keep in 476 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:59.960 mind the TOPS has recently extended their redemption period on these cards from expiring after 477 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.199 a couple of years to expiring in ten. So eventually, if they keep 478 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.079 doing this, they're gonna run out of inventory if they're using old redemptions that 479 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:12.239 were never redeemed, because they're gonna have to wait ten years to find out 480 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.119 whether or not something actually got redeemed or not. That's very true. Yeah, 481 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:22.360 so that's the first piece. Yes. The second piece is, of 482 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.000 course, during the week of the National as has been customary since at least 483 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.320 twenty nineteen, we have the upcoming release of twenty twenty four Tops chrome based 484 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:38.840 Oh yeah, big big release every year, huge product. I usually love 485 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:44.039 the product. I'm actually really excited to see this year's card design in chrome. 486 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.159 Oh I can't wait to see this year's card design in chrome because that's 487 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:52.039 what it was designed for. Yep, exactly. But here's the cool part, 488 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.599 and this is this is the best part. They threw in random refractor 489 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:05.239 autos on card of Sandy Kofax. So kind of like how kind of like 490 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:12.039 how Bowman did the like the historic Bowman firsts you know whatever, the Bowman 491 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.079 first it never were or whatever they call them. They decided. I don't 492 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.519 know why they chose Sandy Kofax. I'm happy about it. Don't get me 493 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.800 wrong. I love Sandy Kofax. If he was around the hard signed cards, 494 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.920 I mean that's probably true, but Sandy, Yes, Sandy Kofax. 495 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.960 You can get a super Tops chrome super fractor in the twenty twenty four card 496 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:38.079 design of Sandy Kofax. I think I think it's I think it's huge. 497 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:43.719 I will say this though, with the price that they have on these boxes 498 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.559 this year, and the way that they and the way that they increased the 499 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.599 veteran autos to the point where you're not even guaranteed rookie autos in this anymore, 500 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:58.639 I'll tell you right now, And they're better either be more than Sandy 501 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.880 kofacts or in terms of the legends that they're just not gonna tell us, 502 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:10.679 they're better be a much better veteran checklist yep. Or there better be some 503 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.519 crazy hidden gems that they're not going to tell us about, which I do 504 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.440 think we'll have hidden gems again. And I think we'll have a couple of 505 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.639 unannounced things that pop up, because it seems like Tops is really going that 506 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.320 way with big releases, like with the fuck Face with Holiday and all that 507 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.800 type of stuff. I think we'll find some unique different things. But you 508 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:39.360 can't just have kofax to make up for how you have deluded this product in 509 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:44.400 terms of the autographs the last couple of years. Well, they have to 510 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.400 make the boxes so high. If the box prices are going to be so 511 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:53.159 high, you have to get the auto checklist lower and back down. Or 512 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.800 you've got to beef it up with the vets to where VET autograph polls are 513 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:02.719 good pulls too, or go back to guaranteeing the damn rookie autos. And 514 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.599 here's an idea, just don't print so much of one product. And that's 515 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.039 the bit. That's the reason they had to that's the reason they had to 516 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.159 start doing the veteran autos is because they had to start paying printing so much 517 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.239 product. You know, they only get so many auto product all year, 518 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.880 just one product tops all year. Just don't print this one like crazy and 519 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.039 bring it back to what it used to be. And then then guess what's 520 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.400 gonna happen. People are gonna want it more than ever. It's gonna be 521 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:36.719 your most in demand product ever. And then those ridiculous prices you're charging for 522 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.000 it, people are gonna say, Okay, yeah, I get it. 523 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:45.840 It's not difficult, and it's frustrating to me. But it's only frustrating me 524 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.440 because I fucking love this product. I know, I know. And that's 525 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.440 the and the thing is, like, hey, look we got Ellie de 526 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.280 la Cruz in there as a rookie auto that's gonna be a huge one. 527 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.920 I mean, it's a bunch of other rookies. Unfortunately, we don't we 528 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.440 are not gonna have all schemes, and that would I mean, that would 529 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.440 just drive the product insane. But he'll be next, He'll you know, 530 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.920 he'll have a rookie card in next years tops Chrome and that's that's gonna be 531 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.320 just bonkers as long as he continues on. But I'm excited for it. 532 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.440 Look, it's top Chrome. It's a huge release. And I'm sad that 533 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.639 I'm probably not going to be in Cleveland for this release. Yeah, that 534 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.679 does suck. That does I don't. I'm still I'm still trying to work 535 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.000 things out, trying to get out there for like a day, but I 536 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.800 don't know if it's gonna happen, and I probably won't know until like the 537 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.039 week of. But that's uh, that's something to look forward to for the 538 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.920 National week is top Chrome release. It is, and there's a lot of 539 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.480 that good. There's a lot of things to look forward to for the National. 540 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.880 Uh So we segue here now to one of my last topics of the 541 00:39:53.960 --> 00:40:00.159 day. But the National is coming up next week. Pretty the National is 542 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:06.880 gonna start kicking off in Cleveland. I'm gonna be down there all week at 543 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:12.199 the gem Mint Booth and walking around. Hopefully we're gonna have a mainstage slot. 544 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.440 If not, we have a correspondent type of thing that we're working on, 545 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.519 and I will be on for Hobby Hotline's main stage slot as well as 546 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.840 possibly something with Hobby News Daily, So I'll be announcing all that stuff. 547 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.360 But uh, for those of you go into your first national, I wanted 548 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.159 myself in Scott to give us a couple of tips for you guys and those 549 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.480 of you going to the national maybe for your second and third time. Some 550 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.880 of you need to hear these tips anyway. So Scott, I'm gonna put 551 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.159 you on the spot first. What's your number one tip for the national? 552 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:52.159 Number one tip? I know where deodorant? Thank you? Yes, please 553 00:40:52.679 --> 00:41:00.320 mind your personal hygiene at the hotel before you come to the show. Yeah, 554 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:06.760 that's it. Yeah. And with that, well, no, my 555 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.119 first one goes right with that, Put in your book bag some max body 556 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.960 spray because you might need to, you know, refresh in the middle of 557 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.639 the day. So yeah, it does. It's going to get hot in 558 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.320 the i X Center, especially if you're gonna be there on time of days 559 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.519 when they don't have air conditioning. I remember twenty was absolutely brutal, which 560 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.559 is last time we had it in Cleveland. Dude, bring a backpack, 561 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.960 yeah, bringing the suitcase on wheel yeah, now skip that one, yeah, 562 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.360 because that is a pain in the ass rolling and we're trying to roll 563 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.960 it around on the carpet and frankly, you've got nowhere to open it. 564 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.679 If you are walking things around to try to sell them to the dealers, 565 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.920 you are, it's going to be crowded. The aisles are going to be 566 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:46.880 relatively small. You are not going to have a place to go open a 567 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.920 fucking suitcase and pull out boxes of cards to have the also are going to 568 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.280 piss a lot of other people off there just walking because you're going to take 569 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.400 up a lot of space in a very crowded area. So just wear a 570 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.960 backpack and carry it in your hand. It's not difficult. And if you 571 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.960 can't do it, then you're bringing too much. Don't bring it all on 572 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.480 one day, it's a whole freaking week, or I mean, really, 573 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.320 if it's all high end shit, you might as well just hire someone to 574 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.480 carry it around for you. You have one back heck're somebody to carry the 575 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.400 second backpack? Simple easy, you know, it's kind of kind of good 576 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:24.960 to good to do that. One of my big keys is that take a 577 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.960 look at the floor book, the floor plan when they counts it, find 578 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.559 the boost that you want to go to, circle them, hit them first, 579 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.400 because you want to have a game plan of walking the floor and making 580 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:42.320 sure you get to the tables that you want to get to and go to 581 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.079 them. Do not wait until the third or fourth day to go to them. 582 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.039 Go to those tables first, make a plan of your favorite ones, 583 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.239 and if you see cards at those tables that you want, get the damn 584 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:59.400 card. Because this is not like another card show that's four hundred tables where 585 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.280 you can walk around all day and then go back and get the same card 586 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.400 at the end of the day. If there's a card there that you're really 587 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.159 interested in, and get it now because someone else is going to get it 588 00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.000 if you don't. Yeah, and if you're still thinking about it, bring 589 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.239 a notebook and a pen. Yes, or or or I've got a feeling 590 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.559 that they did this at last year's National. I've got a feeling that our 591 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:25.679 friends at Luddox are going to have the interactive show floor map again, Yes, 592 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.480 keep that on your phone. I'm sure they're going to post it on 593 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.199 the website. I'm sure it'll be on the National's website. But if you're 594 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.760 if you are going to walk around and not buy anything yet, make sure 595 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.840 you bring a notebook and a pen with you because that way you can write 596 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.559 down what booth number it was, the name of the name of the guy 597 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.599 or the dealer, and where it was on the show floor, so that 598 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:52.559 way you know that. Hey, okay, well this box of cards that 599 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.039 you know, this nineteen eighty nine sport Flicks box that nobody else get out. 600 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.360 Okay, this is the table that it's at, and this is what 601 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:01.800 I find it. This is how I get back to it. Yep, 602 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:08.159 because it's pain in the ass. Absolutely no, I completely agree. But 603 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.840 yeah, guys, So National coming up in Cleveland. I hope to see 604 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.199 a lot of you guys there. I think it's gonna be a great time. 605 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.519 Hopefully Scott's able to make it out there. If not, though, 606 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.559 you'll be able to see me at least, so you know that's that's all 607 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:28.119 right. Yeah, So if you do see me, make sure to stop 608 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.400 and say what's up. But I know, Scott, one thing that's gonna 609 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:39.280 be hot and going like hotcakes at the national is soccer and wrap everything up. 610 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:44.000 I know there's something that you'd like to talk about in soccer that I 611 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.639 was ready to talk about, and I'm glad you are. Holy crap, 612 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:53.400 dude, shit bro, this is like craziest ship in the world that is 613 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.880 going on right now, something that you see maybe once in a generation. 614 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:04.719 And we are of course talking about lam and Jamal kid is sick. Well, 615 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.920 he's actually seventeen. Today's birthday, so happy birthday. Today's birthday, 616 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:15.000 Happy birthday, seventeen years old. Scored his first goal in the Euro twenty 617 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:22.400 twenty four tournaments last week. Young player to ever do it. He has. 618 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.000 He played fifty games this past season in all competitions for Barcelona as a 619 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:34.880 sixteen year old kid. Sixteen, Yeah, like this is and how those 620 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.039 wasn't like he saw he held his own. Yes, he has been playing 621 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:46.079 so fucking well and people are starting to notice. He is currently in UH 622 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.880 twenty three twenty four Donna soccer. In both he has the paper base as 623 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:58.159 well as an optic variety that's in there as well. He is in select 624 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:04.800 La Liga this year, which has been an absolutely phenomenal product. His dude, 625 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.400 his base his bass rookies are selling for like twenty five bucks, which 626 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:14.039 is like unheard of for soccer. Probably, I am really I hate Barsa, 627 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.760 I really do. I mean, I'm not a Lalliga fan typically either, 628 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:24.079 but I am really excited to to see this kid progress, you know, 629 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.679 throughout the years. And I think I think in those base cards too, 630 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.760 those bass cards at that price, they're gonna hold. Yeah, those 631 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.119 are going to hold. Those are not gonna drop. This kid. Yeah, 632 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:43.360 this kid is majorly, majorly talented and he's done nothing but show you 633 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.840 that he's the real deal. Like, this is a guy that could that 634 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:52.519 could have much more hype than Jude Bellingham hat and we remember Jude Bellingham hype 635 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.719 like it was absurd. I know, now this is this is different. 636 00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:59.800 He's also by the way, he's also going to be in Top Scrum you 637 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:01.800 way, which comes out the week of the National as well. Yes, 638 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.719 that's super dude, that's super fractor Auto that he's got in there is not 639 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.400 one of the craziest cards that you will you will see for soccer for a 640 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.079 We'll call it right now, his super fractor auto from Chrome is going to 641 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:22.440 be one of the top five all time soccer sales. I am. I 642 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.639 am fully anticipating somebody dropping six figures on that card. That's what I'm saying. 643 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.840 I think it's going to be one of his I think it's going to 644 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.000 be one of the top five, if not top seven or eight, but 645 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:38.079 if not top five, highest selling soccer cards of all time because of the 646 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:45.360 hype he's generating and the pure talent he has to play with these grown ass 647 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.400 men that are playing in the World Cup and playing for their national teams and 648 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.880 that have all this experience the way he's playing them at sixteen, Yeah, 649 00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:00.840 I mean, come on, bro right, the only thing interning I gotta 650 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.800 say, the only thing I got to say about it is why the hell 651 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:09.239 couldn't he be American? I know, right, That's it. Like, 652 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.880 this is the guy that I would love to have, you know, I'd 653 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.440 love to have on a team, and he's he could potentially spend the next 654 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:20.599 twenty years. Yeah, at twenty five years. I mean, if he's 655 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.920 got a if he's got a Ronaldo type career, he can stay next twenty 656 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:30.840 five years with one team and just completely walk over everybody else. And he's 657 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:36.159 only getting better, you know, as he gets I mean, this is 658 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.159 just absolutely insane. What he's been doing as a sixteen year old, Imagine 659 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:45.039 what he'll be doing as a twenty five year old that I know. All 660 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:46.960 right, man, what do you think I think it's probably a good time 661 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.719 to wrap up today's show. I think it is. I think it's a 662 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.920 great time to wrap it up. But Saturday night, it's nine o'clock Central 663 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.079 time. It's time to go have a drink. All right, That's what 664 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.719 I forgot. Damn it, I knew I forgot something tonight. What the 665 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:07.440 iceball? The ice ball, Scott, dude, you shouldn't have even told 666 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.119 me. Now I'm mad at you, man. This was a you know 667 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.199 what, you know what I got? Ideas, Scott Man. If I 668 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.079 can't, if I can't make it to the name, we'll have to do 669 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.239 a live stream where you'll be on the show floor. I'll be sitting here 670 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.440 with a nice glass of Scotch with a giant ice. You better because if 671 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:30.880 not, that's a fireable offense. And it is a fireable offense. That 672 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.239 is correct. It is written into my contract and I must produce the ice 673 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.440 Ball at least once a year, and we have not done it yet. 674 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.639 Yes so, and I've not seen it. That is gonna do it for 675 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.360 episode twenty one. Ice Ball will be here soon and better. But before 676 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.159 we go, I do want to think are awesome sponsors we have Zion. 677 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.960 We've got a card Ladder, show your slabs, stand up displays, Denver 678 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.800 Card Show, Slabstrong end Game Time Sports cards of course over at Zion CA 679 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.360 get everything from the Magpro to all their new cases. They have a couple 680 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.960 of new ones out now that are absolutely sick, as well as some new 681 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:15.480 colors used to code the dhe DH for ten percent off every single thing in 682 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.480 the store. We've got an awesome a lot of cool things coming up to 683 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.960 you guys soon. We got some neat stuff at the National. Sponsors giving 684 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:27.599 us some really neat stuff to hook you guys up with, so stay tuned 685 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.000 for that. We, like I said, a lot of new stuff with 686 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.559 Hobby News Daily and Hobby Hotline of course, Hobby Hotline every Saturday eleven am 687 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.280 Eastern Time. But yeah, tons of amazing stuff coming up. Cannot wait 688 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.239 to see so many of you at the National and God dang, is it 689 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.239 good to be back. We have missed you guys so much, but Scott, 690 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.480 great show, Ma man. Yep, absolutely looking forward. Maybe we'll 691 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:58.320 pop in one more quickly before the national in a couple of weeks, So 692 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.039 make sure you bring your microphone with you wherever you go. Oh, I'm 693 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:06.719 gonna have it with me, you know that. So guys until next week, 694 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.480 you know the deal. Keep putting those packs, pulling those hits. 695 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.679 We'll talk to you then. Chris