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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with
Jack and CRN SEO and JP Sorrows the

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lapsed fans get all my years rustling, I never seen anything like it,

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and it's the laps fan name by
the one in the ring to get about

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the slatter with the real king of
swing. When the bell goes in,

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then kick like me throne in the
corner, which a splash like stay even

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Jerry King can say off the clown
nodding his head like hiss d low brown,

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which you get low down, go
even high up, flip you on

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your head. But you know,
cou driver you speaking more knowledge and dragon

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spits fire keep you more shocked than
my head. Tree tires drop a more

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truth than the cond of sniper less
you with a coconut, Roddy Piper checking

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JP be like j y D drop
the cupcakes and golden the brain. By

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means the best podcast fun start to
close. If y'all another journey in the

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books and boss we earned this one. Yes, yes in some ways,

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yes, yes, I mean TNH
total NonStop Hogan. It's customary here at

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the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast after taking
a deep and meandering journey, as we

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have for the entirety of twenty twenty
three to kick back a bit, especially

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you know, with the summer weather
and the humidity setting in, it's it's

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really time to pour a glass of
lemonade and reflect my thing. And of

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course, whatever we do a journey, the Lapstan Solar System steps up like

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no listenership in all of podcasting,
with some of the most brought provoking feedback.

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We can always count on that.
I suppose, Tier, it's for

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you, and we're going to do
some housekeeping because it has been a while

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since TLF has been on the traditional
rails, so to speak, on that

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track, So you better believe Santa's
mailbag is overflowing. There's just so much

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business to attend to, but it's
always so much fun just to turn it

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over to the solar system for sure, let them decide how will chop it

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up coming off a heaping portion of
vegetables. In terms of understanding the reality

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of hul Hogan, you know,
I'm thinking back on all we learned about

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Hulkogan during his TNA run and I
feel like it's going to be just as

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it's going to inform our view of
anything we watch or think about involving Hulk

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Hogan in the years to come as
anything we could have watched from his in

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wing prime ably feel that way absolutely. I think I think this whole experience

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gave us a deeper, darker look
into his psyche than anything we've done before.

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And how about that Gawker testimony.
Oh, I mean that was just

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unbelievable. I mean, because we're
trying to stay Kate Figer didn't have a

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chance to comment on it, but
man, I mean that will was.

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It was more than I could have
ever bargained for. It was so ludicrous,

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yea his I mean the fact that
he went up on the stand and

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said, you know, I mean
I'd heard about it. I'd never really

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heard the testimony before, just the
bits and pieces, and the fact that

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he sat up there with you know, a straight face and told the defense

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attorney that he wasn't talking about Terry
Bala, he was talking about hule Cogan.

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That was Hule Cogan we were talking
about, and actually deciphering between two

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entities. It's lunacy. Isn't it
such an amazing convenience to be able to

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say I was in gimmick when I
did that, and I was out of

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gimmick when I did that before,
you blame me from a single thing.

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As many caging members of the Solar
System were quick to point out in pieces

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of feedback that we will convey on
this episode, what A, what A,

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what a convenience setup. It's one
of the many ways that pro wrestlers

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lived kind of a charmed life.
It's a it's a sad life, it's

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a strange life, it's an ask
backwards life in so many ways, and

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it's a painful life. But I'll
tell you, man, when it comes

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down to the fact that nobody takes
these guys seriously enough to actually try to

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counteract the notion that they're in gimmick
versus out of gimmick. In gimmick when

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they do something untoward, out of
gimmick, when they're nice guys. What

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what A, what A? What
A thing to have in your back pocket?

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When when when you get caught doing
something wrong? Of course, of

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course, I mean he literally said
that whenever. I mean the fact that

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he that he said, and I
apparently convinced people that the only time he's

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Terry Balayaz when he's at home.
I mean, how do you get to

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decide that, like who else besides
I don't plan. It has the luxury

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of I don't decide that, dude. It's not me, it's the fans,

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it's the people outside. Brother.
They don't know Terry Bala. They

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can't tell the difference. Dude,
Yeah, okay, so they think I'm

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Holhogan, his his whole. You
know, Terry Bala can't lift an eight

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hundred pounds gihin over his head,
brother, but Holhogan, he can't do

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that. I mean that just you
know, every interview he's ever given,

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he's saying it is absolutely bullshit,
or at least yes, I reserve the

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right to say that everything I said
in that interview is bullshit because the camera

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was on, and therefore I can't
possibly be expected to be Terry Bale if

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there's a camera, I can't.
I can't. I can't possibly be expected

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to be honest if it's a camera
on me. Right, So what you're

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saying, Terry is Hulk Hogan.
The character and all the ways you define

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him, also has the character flaw
of never really being able to rely on

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anything he says, taking nothing.
He says to the bank concluding I suppose

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the five demandments. Brother, So
it's it's it's just an amazing sort of

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coming together, an amazing sort of
moment where all that Hulkogan slash Terry Balaya

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has been is laid bare on that
stand and it's all on the line,

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because if he gets this jury to
convince, if he convinces this jury that

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he was wronged here, which you
know, I'm not saying he wasn't,

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but if he can convince this jury
with his guile is one of a kind,

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pro wrestler Carney guile, that he
was victimized here, he completely reverses

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the state of his fortune. I
mean, of course, little jury gave

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him like a hundred plus million dollars
verdict. By the time it all shook

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out and the actual damages were handed
down, it was like he probably took

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home like five ten million dollars.
I don't know. I kind of lost

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interest in counting other people's money at
that point, but suffice to say,

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well, what I think is more
impactful is not so much what he actually

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deposited into his bank account, but
what he was able to convince a jury

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of his peers using these tactics he
was owed. And that is just to

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be the most stunning testimonial as to
who Hulkkogan really was and why he was

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able to stay on top in the
wrestling business. This this is why,

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you know, but despite the other
worldly charisma, this is why ten years

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after Vince McMahon thought hogan shelf life
had expired, that he was earning more

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money than he ever had in wrestling
in WCW. Yeah, because because he

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can make you believe, can make
you believe, and he he has this

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thing in his mind, this delineation
that apparently nobody is going to gawk at

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that he's Terry Balaya and the bodysy
of his own home and nowhere can't you

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can't say gawk, I'm sorry,
because he has to maintain the idea that

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when he was videotaped by Bubba the
Love Sponge, you know, airing out

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his wife, that that was Terry
Balaya, because that's the person that has

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to be, you know, in
this case, that's the person that has

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to have been defamed or dragged through
the mud to collect the money in the

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bashe at the Beach lawsuit, it
was Hulkogan being defamed that can did right.

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It was like even though he didn't, even though Vincerussou didn't say Terry

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Bolea as a piece of shit.
By saying Hulk Hogan was he was arguing

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that there was an nexus between the
two in that case, but in this

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case he's arguing they are two very
separate and distinct entities. They are and

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they're not a philosophy the zen of
the Hulkster. That and so much more

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to take home, And we're going
to turn on the solar system to really

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let let a lot of these lessons
really really sink in this week on the

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show, please, and there's so
much to talk about. But before we

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What you're seeing is an illusion. Huh,

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equally important to getting that physique in
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summer is making sure that those fucking
pubes aren't popping out of your right speed

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up. Yeah, seriously, this
is shit. And how do we do

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it? Boss? How do we
make sure that that the men among us,

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they harry among us um are able
to keep things in working order?

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Well, first of all, you
gotta take good care yourself. Down on

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your crotch, right, we're talking
about cross like we always do. Yeah,

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yes, yes, this is a
crotch cast. Okay, And you

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gotta listen. Listen, men,
women, non binary, they're all looking,

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all right, they're all looking.
If you go out there and your

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ship's out there, people want to
look. And when they look, you

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want them to say those boulder as
smooth as eggs. Okay, that's what

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you want. You know. I
did I tell the story about when I

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was on the deck sunbathing. Oh, sir, you know, one day

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I was on the deck sunbathing,
you know, And it's it's it's more

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or less. It's it's it's pretty
private out there on the deck. And

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I'm out there and I said,
you know, fuck it, you know,

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I'm just gonna do full body all
right, just gonna lay on,

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you know, lay lay on the
on the couch out there, and just

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go full body naked and just let
it all hang out. And at one

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point I get up and you know, I'm walking. I'm I'm walking over

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towards the door. And then ship
there's my neighbor cross the way, my

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fucking neighbor, and and she's got
her her her I don't know, family

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or whatever there and and the course
they can't not see me get a perfect

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view of the fucking drive of her
driveway, and and they all look over

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and I stop. I'm like fuck. And then you know, she puts

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her hand up over her eyes.
You know, I'm like looking like what

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And she says and she said it, She said, look at the are

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those are those your balls? Yeah? And she said those things are smooth

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of luxury this summer thanks to that
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work, folks, yep, and
boss, how are you going to be

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fucking all right? So we took
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the buys and tries. We're coming
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We took care of the pubes under
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straight up the asshole, straight up
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with a clear conscience by popping open
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It's the past fan man number one
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going clear water making the loop?
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doing a doing a piz i,
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don't take themselves too seriously get deserved
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the beer and the hops of choice
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Hopefully our friends at PAPS thank them
for the support. So um megapowers style

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handshakes out of the way. We
do want to let you know that you

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can always follow the cast, not
only on Twitter at the Lapsed Fan,

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but also on Instagram. Boss does
a terrific job keeping that thing lively and

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vibran trying for sure, and we're
also on threads now as well to extend

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that that meta branding, so you
can find us there and you can also

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find us, and we don't we
don't try to harp on this too much

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because we don't want to flood ourselves. But I think now that TNH is

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behind us, yes we can maybe, I don't know. With a bit

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of hesitation, with a bit of
trep dation points you to Cameo absolutely over

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Cameo dot com slash the Lapsed Fan. You can really queue up any member

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of the Solar System, litany of
characters you want to say whatever you want.

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Yep, Boss, they've put you
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from happy birthday wishes to you know, I'm going to kill you messages.

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It's really true. Well, some
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outrageous. Um someone you know,
it's been quiet for a while, but

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then all of a sudden, some
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on. I'm trying to second find
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the woman's husband is a big fan, and and she she just wanted him

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someone's a new dad. That one
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this is this was the request,
tips on first time fatherhood, how life

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will change, and pump me up
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it was just like, let whoever
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they can pick the character. Nope, Nope, didn't matter. They said,

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just choose what you want to do. I'm all right. And so

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Vince Hogan and Savage gave fatherly advice. Oh god, that's great because Savage,

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who has no children, had no
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no children. So yeah, look, folks, put the coin in the

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jukebox. I mean, get the
computer working in the boss's head. And

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every now and then someone wants a
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glad to jump into on those.
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to let the lapsed fan in your
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fandom of an eight hour weekly wrestling
podcast. Yea, so it's it's the

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least you can do for the lapsed
fan in your life. And we're taking

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orders. The kitchen's open over at
Cameo when we want to thank everyone who

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patronizes us on that platform, and
perhaps most significantly patreon dot com. Slash

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the laps, which of course is
the lifeblood makes the cast. Roll makes

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the cast go, makes the cast
to be able to say, you know

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what, don't give a fuck.
TNH calls for us to get the whole

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Cocing testimony transcript. We don't care
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get it. We unearthed it.
We unearthed shit with this fund. We

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don't just put it in our pocket. Of course, we put plenty in

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our pocket because we deserve it in
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making TLF TLF, Patreon dot com, Slash, the Lapsed Man, you

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know the Tears, you know the
one K Club, you know how you

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know who's legendary and who's working on
it. And whenever we get around to

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the broader non TNH mail bag for
the summer of twenty twenty three, which

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we'd be coming up quite soon,
we'll give all the appropriate nods to this

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huge backlog we have of folks that
have stepped right up and got some hair

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on their ass and said, you
know what, it's time to not just

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assumed shit for free like some fucking
teenager in ninety eight. You know,

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napster is over. Okay, yes, pay if people are doing shit that

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entertains you and is worth your while, it's the only way it's going to

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work. It's the only way creator
is worth anything. They're going to keep

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doing it is if the direct relationship
between the consumer and the creator is iron

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clad. I mean, shortly,
they're middle men taking their piece and taking

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their tax the technology that allows for
it. That's fair, but it's not

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going to be a thing where we
can just hope that a podcast like this

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that that services the fans so maniacally
can be a financially sustainable enterprise on just

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advertising and impressions alone. You know
that market is We're not fourteen year olds

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doing twenty four hour challenges and we're
never trying to be so. We may

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not be mister Beast, but we
are beast mode in terms of what you

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need from us. And the way
to show that support is over at patreon

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dot com, slash the lapse,
fan and boss. It's not like it's

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just some tip jar. You get
an in exchange for your Do I think

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you do? I mean, I
mean, if I'm ill, I'll definitely

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say, you know, if you
if you have the balls, if you

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can fucking nut up and join that
EP tier like real people do. Executive

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producer folks, all right, the
executive producer tier or you know, the

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moat tier, the mother of all
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know, these are the real fucking
heavy hitters. These are the hitters.

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This is what makes one the envy
of podcasting. Absolutely I'm pretty sure we

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are. Yes, And so with
that you get under the cinement. And

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we just did we ever, We
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that was just bizarre and whacky sampling. It was like a six course postmodern

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have to have more courses and you
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meal, you'd have to have like
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one man gangs in the movie.
No one's getting hands right, and he's

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there. I mean, what a
what a bizarre It really was one of

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the most unique experiences I feel like
I've had doing under the cinemat with you.

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the director's aft here. And yes, it was so weird because it's so

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isolated. It's such a it's such
a movie that lives in its time.

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It's not it's not relevant anymore like
it does not. If you don't know

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what it was like to live and
watch TV in the early nineties, you

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really have no fucking clue. You'll
have no fucking clue what you're watching,

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right, it's so whack so utc
is where it's at, sinophiles among us,

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And I want to say too,
you know what, we're coming up

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to a big, a big deal
all right, end of the summer,

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we will be hitting our one hundredth
episode of Under the Cinemat. Oh,

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don't think Boss isn't paying attention to
that shit. Oh, I'm paying attention

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hard. It's going to be very
exciting. I'm very excited with what I

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got planned for for the one hundred
show. Everything that we hear about the

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impact we have in the lives of
listeners is amazing. One of my favorite

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ones is people who actually have movie
nights with Under the Cinema. Oh I

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love that. Oh God, it
makes me so happy. Isn't it the

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greatest thing in the world. Yes, yes, they listen to to you

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know, you sort of guide the
research, me comment on it from the

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Peanut Gallery, just like sort of
like an inverse of what we do here

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on the main podcast. Yeah.
And then afterwards we watched the movie and

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sort of live call format, watch
a long format and people throw it on

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yeah with us as the director's cut
soundtrack or whatever you want to call that,

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ye alternate commentary. And it really
is a beautiful thing. It's so

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much fun coming on a hundred very
hard earned episodes and just all available to

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you right now if you subscribe to
the twenty dollars tier and up, and

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of course the Moat Tier, which
is our most expensive tier and our most

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selected elite tier. It takes a
lot to It takes a lot of sort

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of self immolation. It takes a
lot of like humility to say, you

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know what, like they probably do
deserve fifty bucks a month. They probably

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do if I really think about it, and I really want to be in

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that circle of people who are worthy
of the blood, sweat and tears.

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Yea, this is probably the way
to express that. And it was.

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We didn't go into it delicately or
gently launching something at that price point.

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We understand it's alienating for a lot
of people, but god damn it,

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it's not for plenty of folks.
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ones that we These are our rider
dies, These are the ones we go

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into battle with. You know,
these are the ones that you just any

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podcast would kill to have um listeners
of this level of dedication, and we

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never hesitate to shout them out.
We're talking about Abeleletier, We're talking about

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Aiden Kevelhan and Annie Mlharn and Andy
Toff and Arion and Austin King Saliver and

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Austin Tyson, Blake Downing and Blad
and Brandon Kiser and Brendan Moe and Brian

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Blake and Brian Hinson, Chris Harris
and Christopher Creeva and Chuck Piacio and cold

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Stone Steve Austin. What about David
Caminster and David Style and Dennis Owens and

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Dominic Carrera. What about Gabe Yoakam
and George Otto and Hull Coogan an Intern

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Matt and James Irwin and James Milsom
and Jim Morocco. What about Jisal Grazziato,

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brother Josh Wright, Kevin Mills,
Christopher Craig, Lutheran, Olie's,

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Louis Perez, Marcus Classon, Mark
Daper, Martin Ferguson, Marty Longhurst,

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Matthew Finney, Michael Taylor and Mike
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Mitch Gee and Montie Davis Junior and
Pedro Rios and Pete Cozy and Peter Panico

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and Peter Rustling and are Ronaldi And
of course we can't forget about Robert Holtzhammer

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and Ryan Ball and Sam Fairbanks and
Sammy Conduit and Scott Arnold and Scott Michael

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Ferry and Sean mcger and Stephen Laird
and Thomas at de Nacio, the leading

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Lapst fan of all time, Tom
William Murphy, Zach Medris, our boy

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zv Esquire. I mean that's why
we do it. Yeah, if those

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were all of our listeners, I
gladly continue doing this as hard as we

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do it and as long. And
you know, these are folks that just

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are they're making podcast a thing,
like podcasting an actual thing as opposed to

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like, you know, a hobby. It can actually be like an entity

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worthy of respect and notice. And
we talked about cameo perhaps no more rewarding

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piece of notice and acknowledgements. It's
so humbling, of course, to see

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these folks all over the globe that
we perhaps will never get the chance to

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meet unfortunately face to face, express
this level of support. It's another thing,

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though, to see, you know, somebody like Aw's Matt Minard on

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some on Blake's cameo page acknowledge O
my money. I mean I'm putting I'm

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not putting words into his mouth.
He said, you're a listener to laps

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fan. Hi. I've stole so
much stuff from those guys over the years.

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Keep going, Matt, we are
an open large language model. My

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friend, train on that fucking archive, Train on the fucking repository of insight

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and bullshit and nonsense that is our
history. UM, it's there, and

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it's there, I think, in
more ways than people realize, it's always

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00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.079
appropriate when we're doing the sort of
rundown of those who deserve acknowledgement here on

402
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our shows, that the LAPS service
is met as well. I mean we're

403
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.160
talking about if you get in touch
with LAPS dot scribes at gmail dot com,

404
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UM privileged access UM and exchange for
sort of your support. It's sort

405
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of like a Wikipedia model. UM. I guess it's free, but you

406
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know, if everyone decided it was
free, it wouldn't be worth the hustle.

407
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.839
But UM a tremendous contribution from a
tremendous, tremendous member of the Solar

408
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system. UM LATS is a complete
transcription archive of the show, UM tech

409
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searchable and all the rest. And
it's always UM it's always appropriate here when

410
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.519
we've got some time to shout outs
and stretch out a little bit and and

411
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:49.000
and give tribute UM to let folks
know that, uh that LATS is where

412
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it's at. UM. There are
there are costs incurred to generate this and

413
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this is truly a passion project from
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414
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you find if you're you know,
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415
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um transcripts of the show over the
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416
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.480
that I love, the idea of
the scribes of the Monks, you know,

417
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:20.880
yes, esthetically transcribing UM for all
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418
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it's it's it's a privileged access thing, and we do encourage you if

419
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you're interested in and elevating yourself as
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420
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want to find accurate time stamps for
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421
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archives using LATS, the Lapsed Archive
Transcript service will likely make it possible.

422
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.160
So again that email to get involved
is Lapsed dot Scribes at gmail dot com.

423
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.119
These things just keep falling out of
the sky. The fans stop thinking

424
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:53.559
about stuff to do to enhance the
showpe I, and then we get Christian

425
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:58.759
Hollister, Who's I mean talk about
a ride or die Dame one motherfucker.

426
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:05.799
Yep. I think it's like the
first ever hopper guys. Oh totally floats

427
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:13.839
an idea lapsed X because if my
calculations are correct, you talk about one

428
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.359
hundred episodes of Under the cinemat Oh
God, I ain't nothing. What other

429
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.400
milestone of significances around the corner,
boss we got? We've got a decade

430
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:30.359
of destruction coming up. It'll be
ten years in twenty twenty four since TLF

431
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.559
began a full scale invasion and pillaging
of the wrestling podcast space, constantly vaulting

432
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.039
over the red gafause of those who
don't get it, of the rectum of

433
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:47.000
the wrestling podcast space. That's right
setting the tone, and Christian had a

434
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.359
wonderful idea. He writes, good
evening, I'm writing to float an idea

435
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.279
around to you of something I first
thought about months ago. As the tenth

436
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.000
year anniversary of TLF is next year, I was wondering if you would be

437
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:04.960
down with having an oral history,
Oh my God, of the greatest college

438
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.559
podcast in the history of the Solar
System, to pay homage to you,

439
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.320
guys, and to stand as a
testament to all that you have done over

440
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.400
the past decade. His vision as
follows stories and memories from those of us

441
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.800
who have been down since day one, or as close to the beginning as

442
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.920
possible, personal accounts of interactions between
the solar system and the co chairs.

443
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.679
You're You're do that pretty soon,
Christian. Let me tell you, Yeah,

444
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.280
favorite shows, favorite characters, favorite
moments, stories of how each of

445
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.119
us found out about TLF, etc. He would love to see this and

446
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.559
even like a book form. Christian, we love the idea. We've been

447
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.000
We've been ruminating on it. You
sent this weeks ago, but due to

448
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.239
the TNH situation, it was tough
to find space for it. We love

449
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:52.159
the idea, but as as always, we only love it if we don't

450
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:58.679
have to do anything. Yeah,
the best ideas require no effort from me.

451
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.400
That's how I look at the world. And if folks want to take

452
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.079
up the cause, if you want
to give us a flavor of what it

453
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:12.519
might hound fight, Yeah, to
sit down with your cell phone or whatever

454
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.039
your recording system and reflect on how
you found the show and your absolute favorite

455
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.920
moment, why it's your favorite moment, and of course a premium placed on

456
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.719
not picking the same moments everybody else
does, right right, We want ones

457
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.199
that are unique to you. We
want moments that provoked the response in you

458
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:35.840
that nobody else would have had because
I don't know it recalled a very specific

459
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.280
memory from your childhood or from your
experience, or it happened to you in

460
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.239
your day. Try to think of
it that way rather than like, what

461
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.239
are the lapsed Hall of Fame moments? We we've done that, we know

462
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.239
what the flashpoints are, and we
are proud podcasts and and that, and

463
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.760
that I'm always more interested in anyway, is the is people's you know,

464
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:02.159
people's individual stories absolutely and ones that
only they can attest to. You know,

465
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.920
everybody laughed at the SummerSlam ninety two
show, right, sure, everybody

466
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.440
laughed at Bulldog on Crack. But
but was there a moment? Was there

467
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:15.480
a turn of phrase? Was there
a recall? Was there an imitation?

468
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:21.320
Was there a a long fucking essay
on social media or whatever you rant about

469
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.320
that really hit you in a way
that you feel like is unique to you

470
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.519
and spoke to your circumstance. That's
really what I'd like to start compiling as

471
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.400
we come upon the tenth anniversary of
TLF, because I think that's the part

472
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:37.280
of the show, that's why the
show still stands so strong and so erect.

473
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:42.119
So look, the lapsed fan at
gmail dot com is the email address

474
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.360
you already know that start sending a
soundclips, give us an idea of what

475
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.320
it might sound like, and give
us ideas on how we might, you

476
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.239
know, reliably program an appropriate ten
year celebration next year. It's never I

477
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.159
don't know, it's never too early
if you're going to do something like this

478
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.840
to start talking about it. When
do they put up the WrestleMania twenty banners?

479
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.519
Like in November? And I think
even before was it before? I

480
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.800
feel like it was really really early. Is twenty twenty four where it's all

481
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.599
going to begin again for the show? Um, I guess that'd be the

482
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:16.920
twenty This is I guess where I
don't know what was Rustlemania tens thing?

483
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.000
It didn't really have a tagline.
It was just X. I don't think

484
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.280
it did. Yeah, just like
Raw thirty was raw x x X.

485
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:29.159
You know, it's very esthetically satisfying, that X presentation, So we're willing

486
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.800
to embrace it. So again,
the call out is yours. The challenge

487
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:36.039
is laid down, and UM,
I'm sure no matter what comes in,

488
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.480
no matter what form it takes,
we can come up with something. But

489
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.440
we want we want the ingredients,
you know what will totally we'll go into

490
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.840
the kitchen and cook something up,
but we don't want to go grocery shopping,

491
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.960
you get it. Yeah, So
let us know where your head goes

492
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.199
when we ask you to testify as
to why the cast stands so strong ten

493
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.320
years on, and we'll see what
comes out the other end. And big

494
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.519
thanks to Christian for really at least
at least I can say pushing me across

495
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.920
the line on putting a call out
like this because I had I kind of

496
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:07.719
had an idea. I'm sure you
did too, Like something has to happen

497
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.119
for the ten year. Yeah,
I agree, but it's not like a

498
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.679
big gesture from us. It has
to be It has to be a celebration.

499
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.440
It can't just be like a big
you know, the new product or

500
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.320
something I just didn't know. I
just didn't feel like that's where the heart

501
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.199
of it's at. So we look
forward to seeing what you come up with,

502
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.119
folks, including you, Christian,
Thanks very much for the launch point

503
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.800
personal anecdotes. Let them know,
let them you know. Think of think

504
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.519
of it as like just like wrestling. When someone asks you why the hell

505
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.840
do you watch that? You have
a stock answer, right, ye,

506
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.800
come up with why you listen to
the lapsed fan when somebody finds out that

507
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.840
it's two jackasses talking about twenty year
old thirty year old wrestling for six hours

508
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:52.639
right in rating court transcripts and acting
like fucking morons and also occasionally landing on

509
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.159
the truth of the matter, damn
right back, much more than occasionally.

510
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.320
So that's that under the cinemats rocking
and we we we saluted the moat tier,

511
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.800
and they have access to exclusive goodies
as well. To say the very

512
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.679
least. Russell, mommya, what's
mama sorrow been cooking up? Oh god?

513
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:20.760
Uh? Well, uh recently she
we watched um uh the World War

514
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:29.599
three first World War three match,
Oh my god. And uh by the

515
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:37.840
time this drops, well she we
we would have watched the elimination chamber match

516
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:44.079
from New Year's Revolution two thousand and
six. Unbelievable. What an eclectic mix.

517
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.719
I can never predict what you're gonna
make her watching. Yes, no,

518
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.159
it's always uh, you know it's
it's it's what I think is going

519
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:52.760
to give her the best reaction.
Of course, you know, where are

520
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.360
we going to get the reaction?
That's what I want to know. Yeah,

521
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.000
that that's kind of you know that
you're getting at the magic of things,

522
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.760
because if you sit down and you
think about a show with a concept

523
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.119
like ours, it's like, okay, you just pick the most famous shows

524
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.920
in history with the most historical significance, and it's like no, no,

525
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.719
no, you know what you do? You watch every Hulk, Hoge and

526
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:19.119
TNA segment in order you grapple with
the reality of being a wrestling fan,

527
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:24.320
which is just oversaturation, oversupply,
a constant sense of being absolutely barraged with

528
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.679
stuff ninety five percent of which you're
going to forget minutes after you watch it,

529
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.039
and being able to account for and
explain why that five percent resonates,

530
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.679
What it is about that five percent
that you actually do remember, and that

531
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:44.280
that's kind of what what the match
selection for Wrestling Mammia tests to. In

532
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.360
my mind, It's like, yeah, it's not about what the most famous

533
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.480
moments are, It's about what are
the moments that are going to bring out

534
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.239
the kind of memorials, the kind
of contexts, the kind of content that

535
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.599
only we can generate, and to
go back to the living room carpet with

536
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.239
your mom watching wrestling with you Oh, that's just the fucking it's on the

537
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.920
sofa talking shit, what the fuck
is this? You know, and then

538
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.480
getting into it, then getting drawn
into it, right, pretend right,

539
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.880
pretending to be ironically distanced from it, but then getting actually invested in who's

540
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.760
who's winning and losing in the match. Exactly. It's wonderful stuff, and

541
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:27.000
it's it's there's no way, there
is no possible way that moms and dads

542
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:32.480
of young wrestling fans today act anywhere
near as entertainingly in the background, because

543
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.599
they were probably fans too, or
at least there, you know, because

544
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.159
you know, you don't you aren't
a why you don't aren't know? Why

545
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:44.119
too? Is that because nowadays you
can sit there and watch stuff with your

546
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:45.719
kid that you don't want to watch
and just be on your phone. You

547
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.400
know what. You nailed it,
man, didn't you nail it? Yeah?

548
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.840
Yeah? What what parents going to
take the time to question why that

549
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.440
guy's face isn't bruised, if he's
really getting punched, if there's another video

550
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.320
about bar queuing to watch? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I know,

551
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.199
I saw, Yeah, honey,
I saw that. That's great fucking dystopia,

552
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.920
man. Yeah, we're not really
interested in what our kids do.

553
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.039
I want our kids are interested in
much. I mean that we're not regenerating

554
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.480
the stuff that the raw material that
this podcast was built on. It's not

555
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.599
regenerating for the next I'm afraid for
the next generation. Man. Maybe I'm

556
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.199
wrong. Maybe in you know,
twenty years, someone will want to do

557
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.679
a podcast just like this about how
brilliantly, how brilliant it was to watch

558
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.199
something they fell in love with as
a young kid. I somehow doubt it,

559
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.280
though, man, because if you
watch six thousand videos a day at

560
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.920
twenty four seconds a clip, I'm
not sure that any of it is going

561
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.920
to fucking is going to allow you
to sit down and really stretch out and

562
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.480
plumb the depths of the impact it
had on you, because you didn't watch

563
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.159
anything for long enough to let it
affect you that way, to let it

564
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:58.159
seep deeper into your mind. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

565
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.320
Man, doesn't sound like a good
recipe, but I hope I'm wrong.

566
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:07.239
But Russell Mommy is here for those
that are still clinging to that golden,

567
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.760
golden shit. And sure it's just
tremendous stuff to hear the boss and

568
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.840
mom to sit down and chop it. So check that out available to the

569
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.639
MOTE tier members as well, and
something else we've been doing lately for MOTE

570
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.840
members. As we sort of consider
you now very close to the bosom,

571
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.480
the inner circle, we figured why
not share the calls with them? Right?

572
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.159
What we mean by the call?
Yeah, oh yeah. So when

573
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.320
we hear about a famous wrestler passing
away, you know, our history for

574
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.519
a decade before we even started this
podcast was to make the call and just

575
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.239
simply say the name of the wrestler
who passed away. It's a competition to

576
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:42.760
see which of the two of us
can make the call first. So fucking

577
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:47.480
morbid when you think about it,
it is. It's it's the sort of

578
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.960
game wrestling fans are left to play
of our vintage true, you know how

579
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.679
else you're supposed to deal. It's
a laugh instead of cry thing, I

580
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.719
think in a lot of ways.
Yeah, it's it's it's a coping mechanism

581
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.480
um, as it is for so
many of the business, and the recent

582
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.360
passion of Darren Drawstoff was the latest
opportunity for us to bring that kind of

583
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.719
organic moment to the fans. The
first one we did, which was the

584
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:15.119
passing of the iron cheek was kind
of like a well, let's do this

585
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:16.679
after we'd already made the call.
Yeah, so we kind of had to

586
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:22.159
re engineer the emotion of the initial
reaction. But we've developed kind of a

587
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.480
workflow now where I think we're reliably
going to be able to record for MOTE

588
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.360
tier members only our initial guttural reaction
when the call goes out, nothing long,

589
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.360
nothing involved. We're not doing career
retrospectives on this thing. It's really

590
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.559
just it's just a moment that we
feel if you're going to show that level

591
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.360
of support to the show, you
ought to be in onto absolutely, so

592
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:49.800
look for the call whenever whenever we
lose another member of the sorority or the

593
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.480
fraternity in the wrestling business. So
that's all available at Patreon. Of course

594
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.920
you get your live calls. We
just didn't money in the bank. Summerslam's

595
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.800
coming up. Looking forward to calling
that so you don't have to watch it.

596
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:06.119
And what's that? See what we
do for all of you. I

597
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:12.400
mean, look, this is this
is all, This is all sacrifice really

598
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.239
and in so many ways it's it
really starts to feel like work. But

599
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.239
we can't deny it. People are
saying, guys, do it. Guys

600
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.239
are saying please, just do it, And so we have to answer the

601
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.000
belt. We have to. We're
not put on this planet to just not

602
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.760
respond when people are like, here, take this money, keep going.

603
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:36.079
Yeah, and in that vein,
you know, while we're on announcements,

604
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.639
I mean I'm looking around, I'm
thinking, what's I'm missing this year?

605
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.920
Yeah? Right, because TNH has
been so all encompassing, Well, what's

606
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.760
been dominating? There's there's a rhythm
that we're not in that I feel like

607
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.559
we're typically in by this point in
a year. Yeah, Yeah, it's

608
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.519
been too long since we've connected with
a member of the Solar System. We

609
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.960
had the opportunity to put Cheddar down
and I don't know pick a show,

610
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.159
went a Blockbuster for or Coliseum pay
renting media watching during Spring Great Talky talks

611
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.960
Man and just pinned Jake when I
sat back and thought, damn, isn't

612
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.719
life great? Got a robbing man
painted half black. Couldn't press of that

613
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.880
because obviously I had more spack in
the Jack trans World all screen for the

614
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.360
Polkada Dream Slick form a team with
boss Man orteen busters in the back talking

615
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.920
to Jean and I arrestedly know when
to creating a fiend. Looking around now

616
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.679
you won't find its hopper. It's
like you found gold while I'm looking for

617
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.760
copper because I'm a sexy boy.
But here's the showstopper. It's chairman,

618
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:43.880
dug deep and bro back to Hopper, the hopper brother, Wait a minute,

619
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:50.000
where where's it been? Where's it
been? It's back? Keep your

620
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.480
eyes locked to the lapsed fan on
Twitter. Damn right for the return of

621
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:59.480
the Hopper twenty twenty three, Your
opportunity to outbid your fellow Solar System members

622
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:04.760
in the mad scramble to pick the
show that we review here at TLF and

623
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.760
uh we opened it wide open with
TNH. I shudder to think what we've

624
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:15.960
enabled at this point. Well fuck, no, no, no, I

625
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:20.960
reserve the right. It sounds like
what you're trying to say is you're willing

626
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:27.639
to do Bound for Glory two thousand
and five. Back to the impact zone.

627
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.159
No, come on, boss,
I've I have had enough impact zone

628
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:38.119
for a long, long, long, long, long, long, long

629
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:44.960
long time. How about it.
You know you already know what it is,

630
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.119
folks. You know it's it's not
always on. But when it's on.

631
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.800
It's on, and we're reopening the
Hopper coming up real soon. Details

632
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.639
to follow at some point this summer. Uh, Folks in the Solar System,

633
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.880
we're gonna be able again to bid
on a show and have the coach

634
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.760
and review it and then he can
come on the show interviewed by us about

635
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:07.800
why it is the show of choice
for you, one of the most fun

636
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.920
things we do and part of how
we build that bond with you in the

637
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.440
Solar System, and and and again
keep the engine flowing. I mean that's

638
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.920
you know, there is a degree
of financial sacrifice not doing the Hopper all

639
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.280
the time. Yeah, that's true. It costs to keep things rare,

640
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.400
exciting and important, right, yes, yes, yeah, again theory.

641
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:31.519
You know, if if Hulkogan was
on every single television show and throughout the

642
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.880
eighties and wright and defended his title
every single television show, yeah, those

643
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.320
shows who do high ratings, but
you better believe the tale would be much

644
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:44.719
shorter. That would be over in
twelve months instead of six years. And

645
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.280
so we're playing a long game with
the Hopper. We're trying not to abuse

646
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.679
the privilege, but at the same
time answer the bell when the Solar system

647
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.159
says, hey, we want on
the air with the we want on the

648
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.320
line with the coach heirs. We
hear that call and the hopper coming back

649
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.960
to you. Quite soon. We're
on the other side of h and we've

650
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.199
got so much to pass through in
terms of consequence. I wanted to start.

651
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:14.000
It's so it's PTSD boss. It's
over. You know, it doesn't

652
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:19.039
feel like it. It's um it's
more over than Hogan was in a lot

653
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:24.639
of works, And in sifting through
all the feedback we got, I think

654
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.800
the most appropriate way to start is
what Matt wrote us, because I think

655
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.760
it reflects a lot of ways the
the typical thing where we go extra hard

656
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.119
on something and it's only appreciated when
it's been in the archives for three years

657
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.599
r and people can see in front
of them the beginning in the end.

658
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.440
You know, it's so important if
you binge a show that you see how

659
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.639
many episodes there are to watch,
right, of course, and when you're

660
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.000
in the midst of things, you
can't see the end, and so you

661
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.239
don't, and so all you can
think about all of a sudden is how

662
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:01.360
much more there is instead of how
much less is left? Right? And

663
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:07.280
I think These emails from Matt perfectly
encapsulate well we ended up accomplishing with TNH.

664
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.880
This email is from February sixth.
Dear Coach Chairs, I'm writing to

665
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.760
you to humbly request that you cease
and desist the current ten journey. Wow.

666
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.000
I know you guys are simply laying
out the facts and have no control

667
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.440
of what those facts are. I
know that it is my fault for not

668
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.480
accepting what wrestling is. It is
my fault for not expecting a cultural icon

669
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.119
of the eighties to have character issues, to say the least, But as

670
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.440
a current Tampa Bay resident, it
is too much. I have driven over

671
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.400
the causeway coming home from Tampa International, but we'll never do so again without

672
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.360
thinking this is the road on which
Hulkogan realized he had nothing to go home

673
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:51.280
too. I have dined at Frenchy's
Rockaway Grill, and now the thought of

674
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.760
going there to see a corner table
with Jimmy hard knobs and a tatted terry

675
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.800
chills me to the bone. I
guess it was always the case, but

676
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.599
this journey has made me painfully aware
that they are not even the w W

677
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.920
versions of themselves that may have been
acceptable in the wild. They are in

678
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:14.519
fact much older and much sloppier than
they have ever been. To know they

679
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:21.119
are still out there, roaming the
streets wide, gliding and cooking omelets makes

680
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.280
me scared to venture outdoors, and
it should. However, if you guys

681
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.719
decide not to stop the hoofs,
I guess I have no choice but to

682
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.400
continue to listen to every minute of
the remaining journey while continuing to involuntarily drop

683
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.039
brothers and dudes into my conversations,
to the disappointment of my loved ones.

684
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.280
That's going to be the lasting legacy
of TNH. Not just the insights and

685
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.320
hoping psyche foss but I'm I'm be
saying brother for no reason for the rest

686
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.719
of my life. Brother and the
kisses, oh, the miss days days

687
00:51:50.800 --> 00:52:00.800
and the resis but double bizzles,
Brother, double bizz yo. It's it's

688
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.280
Hulk at home. It's Hulk right
right, it's Hulk taking wrestling with him

689
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.960
outside of wrestling. Thanks as always, It's what go ahead, please,

690
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:16.280
it's just so inappropriate this It's always
for everything you do. And after writing

691
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:22.280
an email in February again subject line
please stop now come June twenty fourth,

692
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:34.760
Matt follows up and he begins,
please disregard my previous emmaw. I was

693
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.440
wrong. I didn't want T ANDH. But at the end of the day,

694
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.840
Brother, I needed it. I
needed the Kazarni lingo and the sound

695
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:49.320
board from Heaven. I needed Dixie
Carter's theme song to be my song of

696
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:59.000
the summer. Most importantly, I
needed to be reminded that the most successful

697
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.159
person in this business is also the
most paranoid, and that is not a

698
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:08.039
bug but a feature. Furthermore,
this journey has taught me that when a

699
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:14.760
list names go to a C list
company, it does not elevate the company,

700
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.480
but rather it denigrates the talent.
It removes the smoke screen around these

701
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.320
figures, to the point that I
question if Hulkogan in the eighties was essentially

702
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:27.760
just the right guy and the right
place at the right time. From there,

703
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.239
did he simply take the ball and
run with it, only to hide

704
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:37.239
that same ball later on Great Question, Stop Play Takes One to No One

705
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:44.639
Terry. His greatest enduring scale Matt
Rights, seems to be in convincing the

706
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:52.400
right people to pay him and allow
him to keep his spot. His expertise

707
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:57.039
is in picking the right legal team
and getting ironclad contracts that often go against

708
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.000
the interests of companies offering them.
Because Russ thing is the business it is,

709
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.760
perhaps it was the best vehicle to
apply such talents. I leave it

710
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.239
to the court to decide. Your
brother honors. As always, thank you

711
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.599
for putting in the work and delivering
on a level no other podcast would dare

712
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.920
dream. Thank you for allowing me
to express my inner terry in the form

713
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.920
of frequent tweets. Unfortunately, whenever
there is a Hulk centric journey, I

714
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.480
easily become a model's itizen in the
eyes of the TSA. Whenever I see

715
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.320
something, I am compelled to say
something, it just happens to be in

716
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:37.079
the voice of lapsed Hulk Hogan.
I guess sometimes I hear voices deep inside

717
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:52.679
me screaming out so loud, but
defen want I need? I don't sure?

718
00:54:52.760 --> 00:55:12.639
Five from them? The only five? Yeah you need? But what

719
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:21.159
do you mean? Fire? Thank
wild, Thank you VP. May this

720
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:31.960
prospect continue that concludes no doubt,
double biz. Yeah yeah, yeah,

721
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.639
So that's kind of the story,
right, that's the full circle nature.

722
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:43.360
That's it. That's it, um
blake. We're gonna go way back.

723
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.239
We'll go back to January, and
we're just gonna march forward and see how

724
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.920
this thing evolved, how the sentiment
wow level of the solar system evolved.

725
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:54.679
This TNH didn't is our appreciation for
what Hule Coogan became did and what it

726
00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:01.039
was he represented for these three very
fertile years. I think I worked myself

727
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:09.800
into a shizuo brother m last evening
as I was getting January way back in

728
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:14.760
the now. That's the first line
of Blake's We're gonna hear from Blake quite

729
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.039
a bit. Absolutely, last evening, as I was getting deep in that

730
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.840
tang, it happened. Brother,
what's going on here sounds off in my

731
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:30.440
head while he's fucking boss. That's
a problem that people are doing, brother,

732
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:38.199
while in coitus with their significant other. Obviously, I cannot acknowledge what

733
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:43.159
is happening in my internal conflict or
it's over, not over in a good

734
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.840
way either, So naturally I do
the only thing I can. I stop.

735
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:51.320
This can't be. Then something I
didn't expect happened. I hulked up.

736
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.480
Come on, brother, this thing
was just starting to take off.

737
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:57.400
Let's get back in there and pull
the nose up. Dude, Brother,

738
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.199
I have the tiger, Brother,
You're a whole comaniac. Terry got the

739
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.119
heat back on the mcgilla cutty gimmick, and I was hanging in banging.

740
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.320
Then it was time to go home, and something even more and expected occurred,

741
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.239
as it was as if it were
being said right in my face,

742
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:16.840
slam me boss. Sheets were clutched, toes were sheets were clutched, toes

743
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:21.480
were curled, and hote mania ran
wild. Oh brother, Actually, I

744
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:22.639
kept this all to myself, and
I proceeded to lay in bed for the

745
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:27.000
next five hours until I could finally
fall asleep at four am. I am

746
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.639
fearful for what comes next? Did
he double jizz red and yellow? Oh?

747
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:38.400
Commed ketrip and mustard at this wonders? Oh my god, I am

748
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.599
fearful of what comes up. But
I do know that as long as I

749
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.199
say my prayers, take my vitamins, train and believe Hulk Hogan, I'm

750
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:49.360
going to be okay. But if
I hear Terry, I'm just trying to

751
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.480
get hit on the gimmick. At
any time my cock is out, then

752
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.920
I will channel Freddy Miller and float
away out of my window like a piece

753
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:01.360
of paper floating away. What else
is there to say, this is the

754
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:08.360
top of mount profession. Yeah,
that's a good one. Yeah, crow

755
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:14.800
can m don't you miss Jeff Hardy
yet? Boss? No? I mean

756
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:19.039
they came back and they're gone again
from a W I just I can't.

757
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:24.159
I simply cannot. I'm so over
that ship, so over. So we're

758
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:30.239
Matt doing the damage control afterwards.
You know, lapsed in life, but

759
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.400
nobody, but nobody fucking does anything
about it. You know, well,

760
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:42.159
yeah, yeah, it's nobody's it's
nobody's problem, right, which makes it,

761
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.400
of course not a problem. How
about Louis, let's hear from and

762
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:50.400
I apologize if that's not the way
to pronounce l OOI, but I've never

763
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.519
seen that name before. Um who
weighed in as we were embarking on this

764
00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:00.519
TNA journey at the turn of February. I just want to say say thanks

765
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:05.159
for muscling through my last email.
I'll admit it was written mostly to hear

766
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.920
JP's reaction. I do love that
man's filterless disgusted with something he truly hates.

767
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.360
I don't know what that was.
What was that that? I don't

768
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.559
know. I don't wonder if that
was now I know it isn't finished.

769
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.440
In fact, it has hardly even
begun. But even still I feel comfortable

770
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:25.719
saying that TNH is the greatest journey
you've ever embarked on one month in a

771
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.199
bold statement, no doubt wrapped in
bias, because it's an era I actually

772
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.000
grew up watching, but I feel
it to be true. Don't get me

773
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.280
wrong, the podcast is a fantastic
resource to learn about an era of wrestling

774
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.119
I wasn't even alive to experience.
The main appeal of the show to me

775
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.199
is that it's as informative as it
is entertaining. I mean my early twenties

776
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.880
and have been listening since twenty seventeen, so I find the podcast incredibly insightful.

777
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.639
The no Man Untested approach, you
say to not only thoroughly covering shows,

778
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.199
but building a framework around them,
including all of the details about the

779
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:04.119
backstage happenings from the time period,
as a fantastic job of painting a picture

780
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.360
for fans like me who didn't live
through that era. You could totally make

781
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.119
the argument that you guys are at
your best when you're covering shows you watched

782
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.159
its children, And I'd even probably
agree because there is something special in your

783
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.920
voices when you discuss a nineteen ninety
one SummerSlam, for example. But there

784
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.360
is something to be said about how
entertaining it is to hear you guys cover

785
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:28.360
anything that could be considered outside of
the lapsed comfort zone, like the live

786
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:34.840
calls for example. No nostalgia,
just peer fucking pain. The last email

787
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.320
was about how Jeff Hardy was his
Hulk Hogan growing up. Remember that one,

788
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:44.280
Oh fuck you dude. TNH feels
like a perfect blend because it's so

789
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.440
far removed from the wrestling you both
grew up on, while still being centered

790
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.039
around arguably the main character of the
lapsed fan, Hulk Hogan. There you

791
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.119
go to me, you get the
best of both worlds. Hearing JP you

792
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.400
have to deal with Jeff Hardy and
aj Styles in a robe with a hood,

793
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:05.559
also getting all the classic lapsed Hogan
lore we've come to expect, including

794
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:15.559
shit I did not need to know, Like, yeah, that's the thing.

795
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.559
We don't just stop when we've told
you everything you need to know.

796
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:28.239
We keep going, like like how
Hogan doesn't fucking wash the pussy juice side

797
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.400
of his mustache so we can hulk
up, so we can hulk up on

798
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:37.039
it. In the ring. I
look that that's why the show is magic,

799
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.199
because we say something and then god
damn it, a year later,

800
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.039
three years later, two months later, we stumble into actual evidence that it's

801
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:50.800
a thing. It's like we intuited, yea, the reality of the situation

802
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.639
because we're so we're so in the
psyche of these men and women in this

803
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:59.440
business. Yes that like we can
almost, like I don't know, adopt

804
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.559
their skin and be like this,
this is what they would do, and

805
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:07.599
then sure enough they've done that at
some point. Ye lapsed abyss being eaten

806
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:16.280
alive by tiny raptors and Rick Flair
calling him your clown simply unbelievable. Unrelated,

807
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.719
but I meant to include this in
my last email. JP got a

808
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.960
the old Stone Cold Return to save
WWE from w c W and ec W

809
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:28.079
pop out of me when I saw
his scene Mister Robot late last year.

810
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.000
Yeah, I knew the boss Man
was an Orange is the New Black,

811
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:34.039
but this totally coughed me off guard. I'm sure he's discussed it before in

812
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.079
the show Beaus or anything. Jwe
what I share about the experience, Yeah,

813
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.960
absolutely, it was Um, it
was cool, you know, it

814
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.199
was It was a lot of fun. Um I you know, I got

815
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:52.679
to So I would say there were
um two things that really kind of stook

816
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:58.159
a you know, stood out.
Number one, anyone out in a soliystem

817
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.840
who's an actor and who's done TV
before or or been a day player on

818
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.960
a on a on a set with
a TV or movie, you treated like

819
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:08.800
a god when you first get there. All right, like everyone is like

820
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:13.079
paying attention to you. Do you
need anything, you need water, do

821
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.480
you need a snack? They bring
you to your quote unquote trailer, which

822
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:22.039
I had learned after doing Orange to
make sure I bring shit to do yes,

823
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.440
because I'm not in a trailer.
I'm gonna sell yes, all right.

824
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:29.280
I'm in a fucking cell. It's
a it's a it's my own private

825
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.800
you know space for sure, and
I can get food and drinks and whatever.

826
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.440
But it's like it's literally a cell. Um And so I learned to

827
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:44.519
bring uh iPads you know, and
stuff and to entertain myself because it's just

828
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:49.119
it's it's a long long wait and
um. But anyway, when I was

829
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:54.880
when I was brought to set,
I had the um uh number one,

830
01:03:55.159 --> 01:04:00.320
it was it was cool. So
I'm in a scene with Bobby Kenna Volley.

831
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.079
Do you know him? Absolutely?
Yeah, yeah, great actor,

832
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.880
great actor. And so I'm sitting
there, you know, weed, I

833
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.159
did introduced myself to him. You
know, we we chat for a moment

834
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.519
and he says, so, uh, you know, so, so what

835
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.199
do you you know we have any
ideas for the scene. I'm like,

836
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:18.480
oh, uh, what are you
thinking? You know, I'm like taking

837
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.880
aback, like you know, I'm
just like ready to just take follow his

838
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.239
lead. He's asking me if I
have any ideas of how we should do

839
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:29.239
the scene, and he was really
cool. I don't remember what we ended

840
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.559
up deciding, but at one point
I was like, you know, I

841
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:39.079
overheard them talking about It was he
and the director who was the the creator

842
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:42.719
of the show. I can't remember
his name, but he's married to um

843
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:47.199
Emmy rossum um and uh. They
were talking about The Godfather and they were

844
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:53.320
comparing The Godfather and and Goodfellas and
which is the better movie? And I

845
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:56.239
remember I just said, you know
what, just fucking chime in on this.

846
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:59.159
Who gives a shit fuck, you
know? And so I said,

847
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.760
I said, you know what I
said, I said, I pardon me

848
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:04.480
for intruding, but I couldn't help
it over here. I gotta tell you

849
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.719
now, I love the Godfather movies, but you know what, if that's

850
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.960
on or Good Fellas is on,
I'm always gonna watch good Fellows over with

851
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:18.199
the Godfather. The god follows an
investment, as we know from under the

852
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.719
cinema, you know, right exactly
like you have to really you know,

853
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.840
it requires you to really get just
you know, enveloped in a Good Fellas

854
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.360
is something you could is so good
and it's something you just throw on and

855
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.599
it's there and it's it's like,
okay, great, you know, and

856
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.599
I'll just watch from beginning to the
end. And so we just we all

857
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:44.800
just started. It was me,
the director, Cannavali and the DP all

858
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:49.119
just talking about Godfather and Good Fellas, just talking about that on the on

859
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:54.159
set. And then um, and
then the other thing was when we when

860
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.239
we actually started filming the scene,
because you know, it's a it's a

861
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:02.000
big crane show, Jim arm move
its one shot, but it was like

862
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:10.719
just it's a massive movement shot.
And um, what was funny was that

863
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.679
he didn't know his lines. He
kept sucking up his lines. We had

864
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:20.119
to do the scene nine or ten
times because he couldn't fucking remember his lines.

865
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:25.679
Amazing. Yeah, yeah, it
was like it was and he was

866
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:27.840
so like, I'm so sorry.
He could apologize me. I said,

867
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.599
dude, no, it's fine.
I I came prepared. I didn't say

868
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.480
that to him, but um,
you know, he just it was really

869
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:38.079
it was really funny and he was
really cool. And then, um,

870
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.599
one thing, you know, you
know, I have to admit, all

871
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:45.760
right, I have to admit I
got a little too comfortable. Yes,

872
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:51.400
yes, yes, yes, And
so what happened was is so there's a

873
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:57.960
moment before I have the scene um
with like the dialogue between with with with

874
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:03.519
Bobby Cannabali there, I I have
um a moment with an extra who is

875
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.239
supposedly buying a Carma. I used
car salesman. I didn't say that before.

876
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:13.679
And so I'm having this moment and
you know, I I the first

877
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:15.599
take. You know, they're just
like, you know, just play with

878
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.599
it a little, you know,
just just whatever. I said. Okay,

879
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:21.199
Yeah, so I, um,
I did a hole. I went

880
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.280
into kind of like a Harry Potter
thing and I said, I said,

881
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:27.000
hey, you know, I mean
the thing is here, you know,

882
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:30.719
it's not like you know, you
choose the car. The car chooses you,

883
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:34.800
all right, the car chooses you, and the I forget. I

884
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:40.000
think it was maybe the assistant director
or somebody. After that first take they

885
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.400
were like did you say that like
that like from Harry But I said yeah,

886
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:45.760
and they that's hilarious, you know, they were like really good.

887
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:47.840
I was like, oh cool.
I was like, all right, cool,

888
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:54.920
and so I kept doing it every
fucking take, as John Coffee used

889
01:07:54.920 --> 01:08:00.400
to say, big mistake, I
see, because then after like maybe the

890
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.559
fifth time, like okay, you
can stop that now, Oh that's a

891
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:08.039
moment. Yeah, and it's like
it totally. I was like, oh

892
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.719
fuck, you know, I was
like, that's me. That is totally

893
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.399
my em o. You do something
cool or that, you know, quote

894
01:08:15.439 --> 01:08:19.359
unquote cool, you like this,
you like this, okay exactly. And

895
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:25.079
then all I'm gonna do is I'm
gonna keep fucking pushing, pushing, pushing

896
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:30.560
until it's you know, dead in
the fucking ground style. Yeah exactly.

897
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.000
And so I was remember just feeling
so, I mean, that was the

898
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:38.000
buzz kill for me for that moment. And then it's like they wrapped the

899
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:44.439
scene and they're moving on and it's
like you're nothing. You're celebrated when you

900
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.520
get in there and everyone's like all
about you, and the moment you are

901
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.079
wrapped, you are to garbage.
They have gotten to be tossed out what

902
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:55.439
they need. That's right, exactly
the whole time there was a number on

903
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.960
your forehead that you couldn't see.
Yep, that's exactly it or a box,

904
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.720
it always is, check it.
I you know, I tried.

905
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:05.920
I tried to get into that,
into the game. I try to get

906
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:11.239
into the cool the cool kids group. But in the end you try to

907
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:16.039
be Yep, I don't. That's
correct, mister Robot. Ladies and gentlemen,

908
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:18.960
Ye, mister Robot gave him more
than he bargain for on that one.

909
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:27.920
Yeah. I haven't really thought about
mister Robot in a while, so

910
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.720
that's that. Yep. Why don't
you share Cody's thoughts next Rhodes, I'll

911
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:38.439
comment Good evening code Shares. I'm
writing this as I'm listening to the Tenah

912
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:43.159
mail Bag episode and couldn't help but
share my thoughts about the concept of twenty

913
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.439
year old lapsed fans. That is
to say, lapsed fans who are twenty

914
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.800
years of age, yes, not
who have been lapped for twenty years right

915
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:53.239
as someone on the tail end of
that age bracket, being twenty eight,

916
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.000
we grew up with the product entering
a transition period that would shape the future

917
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.840
of the industry to come. The
peak of my fandom would be the mid

918
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.960
two thousands, which saw some wrestlers
of days passed still trying to hang on

919
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:09.199
for that big push, such as
Tatanka, who had a strange push during

920
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:15.319
this period. Year So true,
it's so fucking weird. Wed random.

921
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.119
Yeah, I had that random was
like two thousand and eight or something or

922
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:24.239
six dozen seven something something weird and
he's like, what what what was either

923
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:29.399
rumble or something that was quite good. Yeah, it's fucking whacky. But

924
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:31.720
he had that giant belly too.
Oh it's you know, it was a

925
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:36.680
complete starter, So fucking weird.
Um. As well as Roady Piper maintaining

926
01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:42.000
a relatively consistent spot on the SmackDown
roster, we grew up still seeing some

927
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.560
great wrestling, with one of my
favorite memories being ray Masterio winning the belt

928
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.439
after Eddie's passing. We also unfortunately
saw the bad with that being the ECW

929
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:57.159
reboot and unfortunately t N a t
NA filled a weird spot in my fandom.

930
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.359
I hated them, I hated everything. TENA was a out, but

931
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:06.279
yet I still found myself taping each
episode and watching it every morning before school.

932
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:11.119
Sounds like a lapsed fan and mate
in the making. You mentioned how

933
01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:14.680
for us in this age group,
we never really experienced a sort of Monday

934
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.840
Night War until TENA came along.
While TENA wasn't on Mondays when I watched,

935
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:23.720
nor was Hogan quite there, yet
I still felt compelled to watch the

936
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.800
competition. I wanted to know what
was going to happen, or even who

937
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:34.039
might show up. I would watch
every week, finding myself growing closer to

938
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:40.319
TNA, attaching myself to the likes
of an early aj Styles and Samoa Joe

939
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:45.600
being the age I was. I
never saw mid nineties ww herews JP said,

940
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.880
we simply missed out. I've since
watched many pay per views from that

941
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.720
era and learned so much about that
time thanks to this cast, and I

942
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:57.000
do envy the fans who got to
experience the peak Monday Night Wars or the

943
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.079
attitude era. In the in full
US, younger fans were presented with the

944
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:06.000
likes of Edge Eddie or Kurt Angel
being followed by Eugene Simon or Kerwin White

945
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:18.039
on w WAD Kurwin White, fucking
ah, what a disgrace. I mean,

946
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.239
poor fucking shovel girra, you know, being being told he is going

947
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:29.960
to be a fucking fucking uh.
What do you call it? Yuppie golf

948
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.279
goofball? That's what you golf ball? Yeah, a golf ball, A

949
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:44.079
golf ball, that's right. Um
uh. We also were front and center

950
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:48.279
to the real reality of these phony
physical altercations. Seeing wrestlers show up drunk

951
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:54.159
for TNA or witnessing wrestlers murder their
family. The dark reality of the business

952
01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:59.239
put a steak right through my fandom. This is what we grew up with.

953
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.600
These guys were my flares Hogan's stings. We got to see some incredible

954
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:09.159
wrestling and memories that I will forever
have. As shitty as TNA was,

955
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.079
I still have vivid memories. I
can put myself right back in my living

956
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.159
room hate watching TNA before school and
watching Raw or SmackDown when I got home.

957
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:23.760
I don't keep up much anymore.
And while we still won't know what

958
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:28.560
it really felt like when it was
really so much better, I do still

959
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:32.560
look back on a w and TNA
era fondly. Sorry for the long letter.

960
01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:42.520
I look forward to more TNAH being
shoved up my ass. Imagine looking

961
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:53.640
back on this era longingly, fondly, fucking bullshit bully ray oh, thinking

962
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:57.079
that was like, that's pretty good
stuff. Oh, it wasn't that bad.

963
01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:00.359
Yeah, you know what, right
exactly when you've been when you've been

964
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:06.800
bathing in diarrhea for years. Yeah, a hard shit smells great, It's

965
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:19.880
awesome. That's a that's a quadruple
biz, quadruple biz. Well put.

966
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:27.159
This is from Dan, twenty six
years old in New Zealand, after listening

967
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:29.760
to part one of the Tenah mail
Bag, I thought I'd shared my memories

968
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.640
of this time period in TNA.
I'm twenty six, born in nineteen ninety

969
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:34.960
six. Yeah, how can people
have been born in nineteen ninety six?

970
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.880
They were born in two thousand.
I was like, it's not allowed,

971
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.479
it's illegal to have done that.
I'm twenty six born in nineteen ninety six,

972
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:46.479
and I've been a fan of your
show since We're a Rumbo two thousand

973
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:49.600
five episode back in March twenty eighteen. Growing up in New Zealand and not

974
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.560
having access to any wrestling on television. I discovered my love of wrestling after

975
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:56.720
playing SmackDown Versus Raw on PS two. There you go, Wow, how

976
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.399
about the game? A w Strain
do that again with their game? Yep?

977
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.840
Have you played it? Uh?
No, I've seen it, and

978
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:08.239
I'm not impressed. You're not rushing
to get it? No, No,

979
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:13.640
it looks it seems a little too
like. I mean, I appreciate the

980
01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:16.960
effort in trying to make it like
No Mercy, but it's like a bare

981
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.960
bones game, like there's not a
lot of stuff to do, and I'm

982
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:25.680
like, no, I got Universe
Mode. I got territories to book in

983
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.479
Universe Mode. Nice. This would
have been around two thousand and five or

984
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:30.960
two thousand and six, you write
tonight had no access to the current product

985
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.199
at the time, whatsoever, bar
this one game. Nonetheless, I became

986
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:39.279
infatuated with the idea of wrestling and
needed to watch but and consume as much

987
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:41.960
as I could. My mother would
let me wrint wrestling DVDs from the local

988
01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.560
video stores I grew up, as
well as buying neither new SmackDown Verse Raw

989
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.039
games every year for Christmas, as
well as tickets to two house shows that

990
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:49.920
w TB had here. She supported
me watching wrestling because, if she put

991
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.800
it, they aren't really hurting each
other. It's fake. So go nuts.

992
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.720
You'll go nuts in a different way
than you expect. Also, it

993
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:00.840
kept you out of her hair for
a too, Yeah, exactly. The

994
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.560
DVD store had a very limited selection
of older pay per views, mostly from

995
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.680
two thousand and three, that I
would rent over and over for years.

996
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.880
I also managed to score select few
DVDs of the Survivor series two thousand and

997
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.279
four, where a Rumbo two thousand
and five, No Way Out two thousand

998
01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.319
and five, and Unforgiven two thousand
and six. Because of this, triple

999
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.439
h was my Hull Coogan and I
made a homemade DX shirt with green paint

1000
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.880
that I couldn't wash, and it
eventually got so gross I had to throw

1001
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:25.680
it away. As far as my
exposure to TENA goes, fast forward to

1002
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.560
two thousand and eight and the DVD
store had gotten some new DVDs from her

1003
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:32.479
promotion. I'd never heard of before
TNA M. I had a double check

1004
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.600
that it was in fact wrestling,
and then convinced my mother it was not

1005
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:41.399
pornography, as she knew. TNA
stood for tits and ass. Eventually my

1006
01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:45.279
mother that's how the fucking sponsors fell
too. So yes, we learned that

1007
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.319
eventually when my mother relented and I
got to rent TNA Best of the Bloodiest

1008
01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.319
two thousand and eight bound for Glorio
eight and Destination X, and I was

1009
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:57.359
absolutely hooked. AJ Styles, kurd
Angles, Samoa Joe, the Old Way

1010
01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:01.079
Half the Old Halfway broken down,
ec guys, the cool looking six sided

1011
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:05.880
ring. He's just cool and all
caps boss just for you and God cool.

1012
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:10.960
It's pathetic. It's different to the
WW stuff I'd seen, but I

1013
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:14.600
loved it. I watched and watched
and rewatched those TNA pay per views and

1014
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.399
would often rack up large late return
freeze from the store. Those were the

1015
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:21.319
last wrestling pay per views the store
got in and eventually it closed down and

1016
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:26.079
I bought their entire wrestling stock,
which I still have today along with the

1017
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:30.119
DVDs. Also bought several VHS tapes
from the eighties n WA, which was

1018
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:33.520
big here. Yeah, with Steve
Riccard promoting, I didn't get to see

1019
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:39.119
any more n WA until twenty eleven, with when a new chain of electronics

1020
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.239
stores opened up in New Zealand and
they sold wrestling DVDs. I couldn't believe

1021
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.039
my luck. I saved up my
birthday, Christmas and paper out money all

1022
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.560
year to buy as many pay per
views as I could when we finally got

1023
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:51.399
to go to the mall. Can
you imagine that having no access to wrestling

1024
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:57.399
on regular television and having to just
like consume as many DVDs as you could

1025
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.800
to get it? Yeah, that's
your fix. Not being at all privy

1026
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:03.279
to the Hulkster brother joining up at
TNA. I bought as many of the

1027
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:08.359
twenty ten TENA pay per views and
was absolutely dismayed at what I saw.

1028
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:14.279
Where was my six sided ring?
Why is aj Styles wearing a bathrobe in

1029
01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:16.960
an earring? Why is it best
dressed in a red and yellow sweatsuit?

1030
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.600
Why are Rick Flair and Hulk Coogan
wrestling? Didn't they retire? Aren't they

1031
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:26.039
too old? I was so confused
and disheartened. It felt that the entire

1032
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.680
product had changed for the worse,
and I could never follow what was going

1033
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.239
on between pay per views because I
couldn't watch the television. Hopefully the timeline

1034
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:36.680
extends to the Lockdown pay per view
well, as I have seen some as

1035
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.279
I have some really vivid memories about
that show in particular, and how it

1036
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:44.159
killed any love or hope I had
in TNA A truly awful show. Thank

1037
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:45.079
you for reading this, thank you
for lapsed fans, and thank you for

1038
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:48.840
whole commedia. Thank you, Dan. That is quite a perspective to have

1039
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:55.159
only taking this in through DVDs.
That is true, Mike. I mean,

1040
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.680
that's wacky. It's kind of like
how a lot of people watched got

1041
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.920
into UFC after its first run on
cable and it got kicked off pay per

1042
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.920
view cable and was only on satellite
when like hardly anybody had direct TV.

1043
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:10.840
Wow, but you could still get
the original vhs is at Blockbuster, and

1044
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:15.159
so many people have that origin story
of getting into UFC because of the tapes

1045
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.479
that were in the wrestling section years
after they were off of television. Yeah,

1046
01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:24.159
yeah, Ben right, Sorry,
y'all. I'm sticking my head and

1047
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:27.319
again from the outside, but listening
to TLF has a tendency to get my

1048
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.680
mind racing. I was listening to
the most recent mailbag episodes at work today

1049
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.960
and there's just something special about intelligent
pro wrestling fans that I don't see anywhere

1050
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.960
else. I'm still an outsider a
pro wrestling fandom, and I'm still circling

1051
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.920
around my thoughts, but I wonder
if y'all are among the last people in

1052
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:45.520
modern Western society to be viscerally invested
in anything. Woof, that's a fucking

1053
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.840
deep conversation. I mean, one
thing I have noticed, like whenever they

1054
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.159
come out with the weekly top shows
on cable and like aw was at the

1055
01:19:56.199 --> 01:20:00.840
top on Wednesday, but it's like
six hundred thousand people. It's it's like,

1056
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.119
you know, one thing you can
say about wrestling fans, that's the

1057
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:10.079
exaggeration. Usually it's higher than that. But I'm I'm disinterested. But one

1058
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:12.800
thing you said at wrestling fans,
are there the last people, I think,

1059
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:17.079
the last fans of anything still living
in a pre streaming consumption pattern,

1060
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.399
and that they still turn to cable. And I know there are ways to

1061
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:25.920
get cable on streaming, but I
you know, I think the fact that

1062
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:30.560
wrestling shows, despite you know,
in terms of total volume of viewers being

1063
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:34.640
like half of what it was ten
years ago. I'm sure you have to

1064
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:38.119
count those those heads are still out
there, but they're just not watching in

1065
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:42.680
a way that Nielsen counts. I
get that, but they're the only such

1066
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.680
that wrestling is now the top rated
show on cable. I mean it always

1067
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.159
kind of has been, but there's
like nothing that touches it right right,

1068
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.079
And it does strike me as I
think about, like, you know,

1069
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:56.039
you hear all these people dropping cable
and I'm like, I can't do that.

1070
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:58.800
I have too much wrestling in MMA, And it's like, well,

1071
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.960
actually, are the only two things
you could follow that still justify a cable

1072
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:06.439
subscription? Yep? I mean because
if I was into just general line entertainment,

1073
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.880
every single thing is on a streaming
monthly fee. Yep. You know

1074
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:15.119
what I mean that I could get
And I think that has a lot to

1075
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:20.880
do with why wrestling fans can sometimes
seem to be so much more like invested

1076
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.520
because we have this. You know, every single week, there's appointment viewing

1077
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.600
that's gone no matter what you watch
now in terms of like every single week

1078
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:32.439
appointment viewing, yeah, nothing else. I mean, even sports, you

1079
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.880
see huge fluctuations for the biggest games, and of course there's you know offseason

1080
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:41.880
time periods where those those people don't
watch television ye ye in the exacting,

1081
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.520
but they say we're the only ones
left. Every single week where's my show?

1082
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.319
Where's my show? There's nothing else? Very true, It's very true.

1083
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.840
It's pretty amazing. And even people
jones for a show every week,

1084
01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:55.000
they they watch it whenever the hell
they want. There's no sense of like

1085
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:59.920
it's live at eight o'clock. Yep, he says, I'm wondering if okay

1086
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:03.720
and disappointed? All right, So
if you're all if, y'all are among

1087
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:08.960
the last people in Western society to
be viscerally invested in anything and disappointed when

1088
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.720
it gets fucked with the proverbial canary
in the coal mine that says we're all

1089
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.399
in trouble. I've listened all the
way as TLF has expertly charted the shift

1090
01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:18.520
from when it used to be better
and all the way forward to the present

1091
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.359
day, from when we all used
to be able to feel something in the

1092
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:25.960
eighties, and all the way to
now when we all can stream something.

1093
01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:29.359
This is the guy who's not a
fan, right, I think so wrestling

1094
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.560
fan. That's crazy. Everything in
popular culture seems to be a derivative of

1095
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.920
a derivative of a derivative of a
derivative. Have the fundamental things that once

1096
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:41.520
were true for everybody been strung out? So long in the pursuit of financial

1097
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.560
gain that they're not even similacrum anymore. I think. So someone's been reading

1098
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:50.880
Boudrillard, And what do we do
with all the water down shit social media

1099
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:55.840
we're presented with. I swear that
basic human drive is going to end up

1100
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.680
being satisfied by a wire directly connected
to the pleasure centers in our brains before

1101
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:00.880
we know it. And that makes
me sad and angry, and I have

1102
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.880
no idea what to do about any
of it. But for reasons that are

1103
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.359
far beyond me, pro wrestling fans
can also see it, and they know

1104
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:10.199
how to talk about it, at
least if they're TLF fans. Sorry,

1105
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.479
I don't mean to bring things down. I've had a few beers, but

1106
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.399
fuck me and no need for butt
stuff? Ben? I feel you,

1107
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:21.840
Ben, I know those moments of
despair bears always need for butt stuff or

1108
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:29.520
society. And yeah, wrestling.
The reason, um, it's so hard

1109
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.239
to be a wrestling fan is it
mocks you for caring, right, Oh

1110
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:36.119
yeah, wrestling itself mocks you for
caring more than people in your life who

1111
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.199
don't watch wrestling mock you for caring. I mean, think about that.

1112
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:47.880
That's that is an excellent, excellent
point. Think about the fact that it's

1113
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:57.119
literally it. Yeah, it's the
only thing that, like, the only

1114
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:04.920
hobby or interest that actively mocks the
people who watch it and who care about

1115
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:10.560
it. And the people who mock
you for being so religious about it are

1116
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.119
equally religious about it. They just
think they're on the cool team, right

1117
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.680
when everyone's a fucking nerd. Yep, everyone gets their lunch money taken.

1118
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:27.960
Yes, And it's amazing because it's
like this fallback position to deal with criticism

1119
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:31.439
that's only available to wrestlers and wrestling
it's fake, as if, like,

1120
01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:36.800
you know, an actor in a
high level movie has his performance critiquingus.

1121
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:42.000
It's just a movie. It's it's
fake. Never hear that that that that's

1122
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:46.279
not everybody knows it's fake. That's
not a comeback. Go outside, stop

1123
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:48.840
tweeting, go outside. It's like, okay, I'll go outside and complain

1124
01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:53.199
about dynamite. How about that,
I'll go outside and complaining it. Don't

1125
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.640
you get out? Don't you be
active or something. I'm touching grass and

1126
01:24:56.720 --> 01:25:00.560
tweeting shit about Jesus. You know, why don't you get a life?

1127
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:03.720
Yeah? Okay, those people who
you want to get a life. They're

1128
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.960
the ones who fucking pay your paychecks
there, Right, what's worse the person

1129
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.600
who doesn't have a life or the
person that's calling out people who don't have

1130
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:16.479
lives? Right, mum, what's
the difference? I would submit? But

1131
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:20.680
yeah, it's it's it's pretty it's
pretty funky. What he's putting his finger

1132
01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:28.840
on there where it's Yeah, like, think about think about what AI is

1133
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:33.680
it. It trains on what the
past tells us is the pattern of things,

1134
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:40.439
So it guesses you know, if
you write this word, I've got

1135
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:43.680
millions and millions of parameters in my
model. Most of the time, when

1136
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.079
you write this word, this word
comes next, This word comes next,

1137
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:49.119
and it guesses sentences. Yes,
and it does similar things from music.

1138
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:54.840
It's sort of like can listen to
a catalog of an artist and and like

1139
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:58.880
replicate how they would write a song
or at least present that way, and

1140
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.880
it even sound exactly like them.
As we've learned, hearing is no longer

1141
01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:09.439
believing. I regret to inform you, and what the point of that is

1142
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:16.840
is that's that's not the art.
The art is taking your influences and doing

1143
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:20.840
something on top of it. That
takes it to a different place, and

1144
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:26.800
that's what makes it you. You
are not your influences. Your influences are

1145
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:32.840
the base. But only when you
do something to take the path your influences

1146
01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:39.840
put you on and make a sharp
turn or add a totally different spice than

1147
01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:45.199
has ever been in the recipe,
are you actually becoming something? And the

1148
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:47.239
idea that derivative derivative, it's like, we're only that's only going to accelerate,

1149
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:53.960
it's only going to get worse because
we're now creating entire systems that rely

1150
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:59.800
on the patterns of the past to
spit out the next email somebody sends.

1151
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.920
You know, yeah, but write
me a write me an elegant sounding email

1152
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.800
about this, or write me a
write me a poem about this. What

1153
01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:12.520
you're getting is how everybody else would
have written that email in two thousand and

1154
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.119
twenty one, up until two twenty
one in the case of chat GPT,

1155
01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:23.239
which doesn't go past twenty twenty one. And it's so it's like, you

1156
01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:27.359
think of Taylor Swift, if you
told me to write a song in the

1157
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.479
style of if you told an Ai
to write a song in the style of

1158
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.239
Taylor Swift, and I don't know. When she started, like two thousand

1159
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:39.479
and three, you would get a
country song. You would miss the fact

1160
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:43.760
that when Taylor Swift completely shifted that
sound and approach, she became an absolute

1161
01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:46.760
global sensation right when she took the
pop approach, when she was able to,

1162
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:51.680
you know, lean into that more
poppy sound. Ye, but we're

1163
01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:59.159
gonna like freeze ourselves arbitrarily in time
with this AI stuff, and we're going

1164
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.880
to have nothing at our disposal besides
derivative things because it AI can't make that

1165
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:09.760
leap. It can't make an artistic
leap. It can only smash together things

1166
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:14.920
that have already happened. It can
only recontextualize the past. That's why a

1167
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.439
lot of these AI tracks are like
the Beatles sing a song they never sang,

1168
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:23.520
right. But the point is it's
not a new song, right because

1169
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:27.319
of the new songs, wouldn't they
just they sound so um, I mean,

1170
01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:30.960
they sound convincing and that it sounds
like the artists, But the track

1171
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.239
is like, Okay, we've already
heard this artist do that track. That's

1172
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:38.239
not how That's not why we turn
to artists. We turn to see what

1173
01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:42.960
they've got next, where they're taking
it now I don't know, man,

1174
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:46.039
I know that that's like that that's
just a fucking you know what that that

1175
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.199
reminds me of honestly, when when
you when you when you put it like

1176
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:51.359
that, you know, the idea
that, oh, look to hear the

1177
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:57.880
Beatles playing a song they never played
before. It's it reminds me of kind

1178
01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:05.600
of the early days of Adobe after
Effects about this, because so after Effects

1179
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:12.199
is like it's a very don't get
me wrong, it's a very advanced program

1180
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:19.159
sure, but it was also consumer
based, especially in like when we were

1181
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:24.560
in college. It was kind of
getting very hot with You're like, oh

1182
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.560
shit, you know, like you
can do CGI at home type stuff.

1183
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.000
You know, you don't have to
have all that stuff. You can actually

1184
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:39.039
do stuff and the kind of goat
it just the gimmick, you know,

1185
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:42.960
because to me that seems like everyone's
just trying to, you know, see

1186
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:48.399
what you can do with it and
and you know, not actually taking things

1187
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:53.439
seriously and kind of wasting time in
a way. And what people would do

1188
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:59.079
all the time if you learn how
to do Adobe after Effects, everyone fucking

1189
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:03.960
did a lightsaber s oh. It
was like that was the thing to do,

1190
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:06.439
and that's kind of like what I
feel like a lot of this AI

1191
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:12.399
shit. It's it's hopelessly trapped in
what's already happened, which is not right.

1192
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.600
Why we wake up in the morning, we wake up to see new

1193
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:20.119
ship or at least see fresh takes
on old shit. I don't know.

1194
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:25.319
I just feel like it's, well, it's gonna get worse before it gets

1195
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:28.399
better, that's for sure. Yeah, don't be after effects. Yeah,

1196
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.039
I canary in the coal mine maybe
yep. On this whole thing, I

1197
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:38.880
don't know, man, it just
seems like we're we're charting, we're tethering

1198
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.640
to the past more than ever in
a way that's like not satisfying, in

1199
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:46.760
a way that just completely disqualifies the
possibility. It's reminding you, it's reminding

1200
01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:54.680
you that, you know, it's
a it's a weird thing. It's trying

1201
01:30:54.760 --> 01:31:04.159
to we always you know, nostalgia
is a very dangerous thing. It's an

1202
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:16.000
extremely dangerous things like nuclear material,
right because it's it's it's fine to it's

1203
01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:21.920
fine to kind of you know,
sit back and and and you enjoy the

1204
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:33.279
highlights, no doubt, no doubt, thank you. But if we actually

1205
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:41.800
tried to recreate what it was like
to live. Then you forget that there

1206
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:45.920
was a lot of shit that you're
taking, but you're taking for granted because

1207
01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:50.800
you're remembering the good stuff. And
really what you're doing in your mind is

1208
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:59.279
you're combining the good stuff with what
you have now, right, You're assuming

1209
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:05.000
that that's that you can have the
modern conveniences, but recapture the lost you

1210
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:10.720
know, sauce secret, sauce no
no, And like you know, things

1211
01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:15.680
were that way because you didn't have
the technology right, right, or things

1212
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:19.800
were like that because of other advancements, whatever it is. You know,

1213
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:26.199
because of your naivete you don't have
that. You can never go back,

1214
01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.479
you can never relive that. That's
why the dip, that's where the despair

1215
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:33.760
comes in. That's why, right, and that's why it's like when you

1216
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:41.199
when people start start recreating these these
things and and kind of messing with shit

1217
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:45.680
that's already there, it's like,
well, let's just move forward, because

1218
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:51.000
that's the only that's that's the only
thing that actually is real. Oh,

1219
01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:57.600
beautifully put beautifully put right. The
only thing that's real is what hasn't happened

1220
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.479
yet. Yes, I see,
I think that's worth telling yourself. Is

1221
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:06.319
real it's the only thing that you
maintain your sanity concerning yourself with. I

1222
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:10.279
mean, it's absolutely true. You
can make as we do every time,

1223
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:12.800
and as we've been doing for ten
years, make an assessment of the past,

1224
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:17.680
make a sobering, clear comparison with
the past, and conclude that conditions

1225
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:25.520
were better than that people were inclined
to be that people were not inclined,

1226
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:30.800
but rather people were sort of forced
by circumstance to be better, more interesting

1227
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:34.279
people because they didn't have the tools
at their disposal to let the worst parts

1228
01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:40.159
of their nature reign supreme. Like
I'm sorry, I can't be demonized for

1229
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:45.680
longing for a time where people weren't
on their phones every ten seconds. Yeah,

1230
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:49.800
there is nothing funny duddy about that, because we're not just talking about

1231
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:56.399
being curmudgingly about technology. We're talking
about the fundamental ways it transforms people's ability

1232
01:33:56.439 --> 01:34:00.399
to deal with each other, and
the reward and the perverse incentives it creates

1233
01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:04.159
to be a total piece of shit. Yes, when you become obsessed with

1234
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:08.479
like engagement and all that, and
I mean, you know there are people

1235
01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:15.399
like killing themselves because you know they
got two legs instead of ten. Oh,

1236
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:19.760
I know, yeah, that's the
yea, let alone the fucking mind

1237
01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:25.399
fuck it must be to become some
viral sensation. Six million view motherfucker,

1238
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:28.159
it's five, and then it's two, and then it's one and a half,

1239
01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:30.680
and then it's six hundred thousand,
and now no one gives a shit

1240
01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.279
anymore. Now what are you going
to do? Yeah? Right? I

1241
01:34:33.319 --> 01:34:36.319
mean now, now, look how
you've set yourself up in this nascent economy

1242
01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:40.800
that we've built up, or in
this attention economy that we've all sort of

1243
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:47.000
brought into existence without a second's hesitation
or moderation. Interesting times, friends,

1244
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.560
we'll work it through together. You
have to worry about AI over a year,

1245
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:56.840
I'll tell you that. Brother.
It's here from Jacob, all right

1246
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:05.640
to do greetings, co chairman.
I figured I should chime in since you're

1247
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:11.640
covering TENA. Don't worry. I'm
not fifteen years old. I was born

1248
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:15.119
in nineteen eighty seven and the peak
of my fandom was ninety six ninety eight

1249
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:18.640
WCW. I grew up on the
West Coast and we got the live feed

1250
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:21.640
of Nitro, so I could watch
it at a reasonable hour for an eight

1251
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:26.560
to ten year old. Anyway,
I was fully in completely lapse from about

1252
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:30.399
two thousand until twenty thirteen. But
I started downloading old shows from the eighties

1253
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:33.960
and nineties when I was in college, and I became somewhat aware of current

1254
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:39.279
wrestling around this time. The rush
of nostalgia from the old shows prompted me

1255
01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:43.000
to attempt watching an episode of Raw
in two thousand and seven, but I

1256
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:46.239
couldn't stomach it for more than about
ten minutes. I was expecting to see

1257
01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:49.760
something similar to what I'd left behind
in two thousand, but it was nothing

1258
01:35:51.000 --> 01:36:00.479
like what I remembered, and I
felt immediate shame, shame, and payin

1259
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:05.640
for suggesting that my friends and I
watched the show. In the summer of

1260
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:09.399
two thousand and nine, I was
still just watching old shows and heard that

1261
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:15.119
TNA would be doing a house show, Oh you have in your heart is

1262
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:23.680
Shame Pain. That's right in nearby
Kennewick, Washington. I never had a

1263
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:26.359
chance to attend a live show as
a kid, so I thought this could

1264
01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:30.840
be a cool experience. Scott Steiner
and Samoa Joe were both advertised, which

1265
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.520
is exciting because I loved the Steiner
brothers growing up, and I had heard

1266
01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:38.079
a lot of good things about Samoa
Joe, but had never seen him wrestle.

1267
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:41.600
At that point, I bought some
cheap tickets way in advance, which

1268
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.800
ended up being completely unnecessary for several
reasons. As my friend and I sat

1269
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.640
in the parking lot drinking beer in
my car before the show, a middle

1270
01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:53.760
aged woman approached us waving a pair
of tickets. She said she won them

1271
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.880
on the radio and didn't want to
go to the show, so she was

1272
01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.159
looking for anybody to take them.
They were fourth row side, so of

1273
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:02.720
course we gladly took them. I
thought she was an idiot for giving them

1274
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:10.720
away, but we were the idiot. There are no bargains and wrestling folks,

1275
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:16.439
Okay, it's cheap for a reason. Every single time, the wrestling

1276
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:26.159
firm is always the idiot ye as
we approved. As we approached the arena,

1277
01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:31.279
there were signs on the door saying
neither Scott Steiner nor Samoa Joe would

1278
01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:36.680
be on the card. Cool.
When we got inside, there were a

1279
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:42.119
couple hundred people sitting in a hockey
arena that seats about seven thousand people.

1280
01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:46.399
It was a dark and emotionless environment. The only highlight of the show was

1281
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:51.640
seeing aj Styles rustle the main event
was Jeff Jarrett teaming with the Dudleys against

1282
01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:56.880
Beer Money and a third guy like
a heel manager or something I don't remember.

1283
01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:00.279
After the main event, Jeremy Borash
was in the ring offering the chance

1284
01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:06.159
to get a polaroid with the Dudley's
an assigned piece of a broken table for

1285
01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:12.600
twenty dollars. I didn't see anyone
take him up on the offer, and

1286
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:18.399
the Dudley stood there like idiots.
People shuffled out of the arena. These

1287
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:24.239
are the stars, by the way. Yeah, I completely understand why Flair

1288
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:27.680
refused to do polaroids in the ring
when he got with the company in twenty

1289
01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:33.520
ten. It was a particularly sad
sight after an evening full of sad sights.

1290
01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:39.079
A few months later, Brett's return
at WW actually got me to watch

1291
01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:43.359
RAW again. I watched the January
fourth, twenty ten episode and switched between

1292
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:45.640
RAW and Impact. I was initially
excited by the thought of having another Monday

1293
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.399
Night War, especially because I was
such a huge WW fan as a kid,

1294
01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:56.039
but seeing the execution of both shows, especially TNA was awful. Back

1295
01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:59.800
in the nineties, WW work because
it was something new and different. TNA,

1296
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.479
some of the same guys I remember
from WCW, but they didn't have

1297
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:05.760
anything new to offer. They were
still trying to do the same old shit

1298
01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:10.920
that they were doing when I stopped
watching in nineteen ninety nine. There was

1299
01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:14.800
nothing exciting about the show at all. Over on RAW, the show was

1300
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:17.720
just devoid of anything that felt exciting
or knew as well. I saw nothing

1301
01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:25.079
on either show that made me want
to tune in the following week, and

1302
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:29.199
I didn't. A few years later, in twenty thirteen, I had just

1303
01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:31.359
finished grad school, I didn't have
a job, I was depressed, so

1304
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:38.199
naturally I started deva ring Raw I'll
Help in an attempt to feel something again,

1305
01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.439
and I've been more or less back
as a fan ever since then.

1306
01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:45.199
Although the shows may suck now,
the only thing that has ever changed.

1307
01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:55.199
Oh sorry, the only thing that
has never changed is the shame. That

1308
01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:58.239
is the only constant in this business, and for some reason, we keep

1309
01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:02.840
coming back for more. I refuse
to apologize for the length of this email.

1310
01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:06.920
Thank you loving the teenage journey so
far, Thank you for sina Mania.

1311
01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:13.079
Never apologize for length around. That's
right. If you feel like he's

1312
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:16.479
exaggerating or that we're sort of you
know just not to be taken seriously when

1313
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.880
we say these kind of things.
Stop watching, go ahead, stop watching

1314
01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:24.239
lestling next week? Oh yeah,
do it right? Sorry, go ahead

1315
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:29.159
do it. You're a joke and
think so loser And one of the things

1316
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:30.760
you miss out big time if you
don't pledge to us on Patreon. Is

1317
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:35.079
just a remarkable dialogue that happens from
listeners underneath the file and the comment section.

1318
01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:39.159
Oh yeah, oh god, yeah. Always so fun to see what

1319
01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:42.039
they come up with, how they
key off things we say, curiosities.

1320
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:45.520
We have just so much fun,
great listeners, Matt wrote unto one of

1321
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:47.880
the files, just want you guys
to know I'm enjoying the hell out of

1322
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.760
this journey. So many memories I
suppressed. I feel like I'm on a

1323
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:58.479
hidden circle of Dante's Inferno. Thank
you cute Kip Bob backlandon TNA. I

1324
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:00.720
knew I was wrestling obsessed, but
only now I realize that I have wrestling

1325
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:04.720
based trauma. That's I blame Mike
Tenay. I'm sure he's been on my

1326
01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:09.479
lawn at two am. Yep,
what a revelation that's been. I never

1327
01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:12.000
look at Mike Tanay the same.
No, you can't. He's such a

1328
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.600
fucking freak. Ellis writes on Patreon, this is such a good journey because

1329
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.960
it's the closest thing to seeing actual
lapsed people in the real world. This

1330
01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:21.279
isn't Hull Coogan, This is lapsed
token. This isn't Rick Flair or Richard

1331
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:29.159
Fleer who we'd all like to meet, but lapsed Ric Flair abyss, someone

1332
01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:31.880
is lapsed before we have. Do
you think people do you think people go

1333
01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:34.600
up to Sean Michael's and say,
Hey, have you met Richard Fleer yet?

1334
01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:39.640
Or Michael Higginbottom? Yeah? Right
exactly. I mean, god,

1335
01:41:40.439 --> 01:41:44.479
everyone calls this guy Sean and he's
worried about meeting the real Richard Flee or

1336
01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:48.960
what about the real Michael Higginbottom or
heartbreak? Right? No, god,

1337
01:41:50.840 --> 01:42:00.159
heartbreak, heartbreak, heartbreak? Fuck
shit? Is that ai r? No

1338
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:05.439
doubt? Is that mid journey on
your wall? It's pretty cool? Is

1339
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:13.159
that? What I don't know is
that what do you what do you?

1340
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.119
What is that daga? In the
style of Jeff coup, Hey, you

1341
01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:23.479
know, fucking you got what do
you got to fucking knockoff? Fucking h

1342
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:31.439
cheval? Huh? How about does
he drink AI wine? I'll tell you

1343
01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:35.000
he's got a fair degree of artificial
heart break. Heartbreak. You know what

1344
01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:40.960
I fucking did. I fucking fucking
made a glass of pino. Yeah,

1345
01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:46.720
from a three D printer, Nash's
three D printed wine. Fuck it,

1346
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:55.720
it's like fucking he's delicious. So
let's write to biss. Is someone who

1347
01:42:55.720 --> 01:42:59.600
has lapsed before we've even been introduced
a classic abyss. The entire operation is

1348
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:03.920
just lap It's true, Like that
is lapsed Hogan in the TNA ring.

1349
01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:09.960
Yes, Like that is not someone
we have to caricature. He's doing that

1350
01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:12.359
for us. Yeah, right,
exactly. That's why. That's why,

1351
01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.920
that's why I sat there and and
and pretty much recorded every segment, right

1352
01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:20.359
because this is this is It just
became a thing I just had to do

1353
01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:28.279
because he's just such a fucking goofball
and you never know what the diamonds are

1354
01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:31.000
in the mind either, right right. It became very difficult as the weeks

1355
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.159
unfolded in TNH to be like,
Okay, this is the one, this

1356
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:36.720
is the sound bite that's going to
sound the that's gonna stand the test of

1357
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:41.399
time. Often it was things we
missed on first listen, or you know,

1358
01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:43.840
things that are buried in the middle
of a six minute monologue, is

1359
01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:45.520
like, what the hell noise?
Did he just make ye? Or what

1360
01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:53.079
does that phrase mean? I just
so any of those like it just the

1361
01:43:53.159 --> 01:43:57.720
weird shit. I mean, he's
so another poet. Yeah, he's like

1362
01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.640
an alien. Like I almost half
expect him to un up his skin and

1363
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:08.279
have like an alien under there.
That's how one two at That's how bizarrely

1364
01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:19.279
he looks at the world. I
mean, it's all there. A lot

1365
01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:23.520
of nuggets of wisdom too. If
someone says Mike points out, I'm all

1366
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:27.520
the way on the team, brother, then you immediately know they are not

1367
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:31.319
on the team. A lot of
lessons to live by in tnage faster than

1368
01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:33.520
Chuck writes. As much as I
listened to TLF every day, it was

1369
01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:38.880
so fucking cool when Jack read my
email about Hogan's retarded TNA Titan tron sorry

1370
01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:44.760
and they both laughed off. I
know it's him just walking on. That

1371
01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:47.079
was one of my highlights. Such
moron. My wife left me out of

1372
01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:50.319
the blue in October. I'ms already
here. Then my mom died on Thanksgiving

1373
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:53.680
and my dad is still in the
hospital after having a heart attack on Christmas

1374
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.520
Jesus. The Coachers gave me the
first win I've had in a long time,

1375
01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:59.600
and it meant everything to me.
Well, glad to be a service

1376
01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:01.079
man. I hope you're well.
I hope you know things are looking up

1377
01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:06.359
days. I'm sorry, that's rough. Clarkson writes, I realize how obvious

1378
01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:11.920
this comment is, but JP's lap
Snash is so fucking spooky in its completeness

1379
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:15.920
my estimation, all good impressions have
an anchor, sound, worden or cadence.

1380
01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:18.600
Right for lap snash, it has
to be the trailing off you know.

1381
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:25.399
Yeah, you know. It kills
me every ship. I remember when

1382
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.840
we did when the Hopper made us
do the three hour, three and a

1383
01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:32.840
half hour Kevin Nash interview with our
video. Yes, and you are so

1384
01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:40.520
done and so drunk and so sleepy
that I shit you not for like the

1385
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:44.039
last hour I drank during that one. Yeah, because you were trying to

1386
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:50.640
channel Nash. I will if it
became you just go and fuck it the

1387
01:45:50.840 --> 01:46:00.000
whole time exactly. That's the heart
of it. You're right, and Clark's

1388
01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:02.119
is right. It is about little
It is about sounds, Yeah, it

1389
01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:08.319
is. It is the AI model, like you train on the the addiction,

1390
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:13.600
and you train on the essence of
the sound of the guy's voice like

1391
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:18.680
Hogan roll or depending on if he's
screaming or not, right Warrior, do

1392
01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:27.359
you know? Yeah, Tyson,
Um, I'm not sure how many hours

1393
01:46:27.399 --> 01:46:30.479
of shoot, interview, YouTube viewing
you clocked in refining the voice, boss,

1394
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:35.760
but bravos, there you go something
you rebeled. Just sucking lex Yeah,

1395
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:40.239
just grew over time. Although I
do love why I haven't watched him

1396
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:45.279
in a whip. I do love
watching, especially when it fits into our

1397
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:51.239
whole thing of him never fails.
Brian Crews, who, of course was

1398
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.119
great. He joined us talking about
going to the Impact Zone for years in

1399
01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:59.800
Orlandos. Yes, yes, Um, And we're asking the question about this

1400
01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.399
and in apparently where Rick Flair you
know, cut himself open, punched himself

1401
01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:05.119
in the head doing a wild promo
and he why, he grabbed a handful

1402
01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:09.159
of blood off his forehead and threw
it in the crowd. Remember that moment,

1403
01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:12.000
And I asked him if he was
there, he says, on Flair

1404
01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:14.760
throwing his blood into the crowd.
I thankfully wasn't in the pit area that

1405
01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:16.039
day, but I remember when had
happened. He just whipped his hand and

1406
01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:20.560
blood splattered on people. Huge gasp, and then shit just went quiet for

1407
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:24.000
a moment. I know it gone
on some kid who was up there.

1408
01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:28.920
I can't imagine Tena was happy about
that, oh flair. I can't.

1409
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:31.000
I mentioned Teena's happy about a lot, actually, Stephen Wright. Someone at

1410
01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:34.000
one end of the building says Rob
Terry, and at the other end of

1411
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:39.239
the building, Hogan jumps to attention
like a gazelle sensing a predator. I

1412
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:45.560
didn't Rob Terry did. What What
do you mean? Is there a comma

1413
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:48.600
between Rob and Terry? Brother just
answered the question. I mean it doesn't

1414
01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:50.720
matter, brother, Write it down, dude, you don't have to put

1415
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:56.359
a fucking common dude. Who's Robin
Brother? Who's Rob Terry? Now he's

1416
01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:59.880
right here? What big English bloke? Look how Jack Dye is He's wearing

1417
01:47:59.920 --> 01:48:01.680
a sweater for some reason? Dude? What do you mean Jack? Dude?

1418
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:08.319
What? Who's Jack? And who? Brother? So holding im Robed

1419
01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:13.640
Terry? White? Dude? Whoa
whoa brother? Hold on, dude,

1420
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.319
let's dial this thing back here.
I'm here, you know, brother guy's

1421
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:19.840
coming at me wide open, dude, Why brute you're coming. I'm I'm

1422
01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:24.479
just sitting here, brother, completely
defenseless dude, and you're trying to fuck

1423
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:30.560
with me. Brother, You're trying
to fucking steal. Dude. You know

1424
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:32.239
how much a blation I've had in
my back in the past six weeks.

1425
01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:36.000
Brother, Do you understand, dude, the kind of spinal shit I got

1426
01:48:36.159 --> 01:48:39.880
going on? Brother? I think
you do, dude, And I think

1427
01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:42.520
that's why you're coming at me with
a name like Rob. You're trying,

1428
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.239
brother, You're trying to rob Terry. Brother. Tell you you want to

1429
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:47.119
rob Terry. Get in line,
my brother. It's been that kind of

1430
01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:50.600
a year for the hulkster fuck dude, but I'm getting mine. I'll get

1431
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:55.319
it back. You better believe her, mother fucker. I can get the

1432
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:59.680
FBI to bust down the door on
TMZ lawyers that I can. We're gonna

1433
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:02.079
fucking turned the nose upon this fucking
thing, and I'm gonna fuck you up

1434
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:09.880
there you go. Oh, he's
taken off the TIMEX Bro? What brother?

1435
01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:18.239
What what's going dude? He's just
standing there rob Terry, but the

1436
01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:24.199
Hulk it's all taking shape in real
time. Yes, Brian, my good

1437
01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:27.800
friend, Brian Blake writes, It's
fantastic how much lapsed Hogan is simply real

1438
01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:30.840
Hogan. Also amazing how JP doing
Hogan is so much better at conveying his

1439
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:35.760
emotions and being less stilted than TNA
Hogan. It's what we do, so

1440
01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:42.520
we've been doing. It's what we'll
keep doing. Yep um Rob writes a

1441
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.720
series of things. Could you imagine
if other IF performers and other TV shows

1442
01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:48.520
with real audiences and so much more
money flying around were as petty about breaking

1443
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:53.239
down their ratings as a second place
wrestling company, Like I've never this is

1444
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.439
like how they talked about the ratings
on Impact all the time, Like I've

1445
01:49:56.479 --> 01:50:00.680
never heard discussions about the cast of
Friends about how Jennifer Aniston the highest rated

1446
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:02.479
minute or anything like that, or
oh, I know, right, like

1447
01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:06.680
seriously, Or Matthew Perry's segments may
have rated lower overall, but that was

1448
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.600
right that he was highest in the
eighteen to thirty four demo. Well,

1449
01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:14.279
we're all in the TV business,
right, Yeah, I get why we'd

1450
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:18.720
talk like this. Ah No,
Yeah, that's a fucking great point.

1451
01:50:18.840 --> 01:50:24.159
Nobody fucking gives a shit do what
that happens? Because we all want wrestling

1452
01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:29.640
to be a sport. Most of
us are sports oriented people, and the

1453
01:50:29.720 --> 01:50:32.520
outcomes are totally fake. So we
need something to point to to say this

1454
01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:35.039
guy won, this guy lost,
or this company won, this company lost.

1455
01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:39.359
Something objective. But it's like,
Okay, I guess I see what

1456
01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:47.199
you're saying, but nobody fucking um
says hey when you know, uh god,

1457
01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:53.560
I can't think of a fucking you
know when when I don't know,

1458
01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:58.640
when Matt Jones fucking tossed the ball
to such and such receiver, did you

1459
01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:01.520
see the fucking fucking viewership went out. Well it's a point and that in

1460
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:05.399
that thing, you have an outcome
that you want. Like you you watch

1461
01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:09.079
to see the winner and loser,
but in wrestling, the winner and losers

1462
01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:13.760
fake, so we have to look
at some other way hiding success. It's

1463
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:16.960
so nausea it is. It's I
swear to god. It all stems from

1464
01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:20.159
the fact that we want wrestling to
be presented as a sport. We want

1465
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:25.680
to believe the winners and losers matter, and that basically you're you're just replicating

1466
01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:28.960
what would happen if it were real. Not the matches have to look like

1467
01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:31.640
shoot MMA fights, but that you
know, that if it was an actual

1468
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:35.199
sport, that you can watch it
as if you could watch any other sport,

1469
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:39.359
as opposed to like this whole story
thing washing you over all the time.

1470
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:41.439
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing when
they pull off a storyline, but

1471
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.880
like we've said a hundred times,
it has to stem from the sporting aspect

1472
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:47.239
of what's happening. It can't just
air drop and somehow find a way to

1473
01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:50.760
be contextualized as a wrestling match and
start as Shakespeare. It has to start

1474
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:55.399
as a match between two people trying
to win a sport. And that's why

1475
01:51:55.479 --> 01:51:58.520
on the other sports they have to
worry about story. The story presents itself

1476
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:01.520
because the win and losers get decided
on the field, and that's why we

1477
01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:04.039
watch in wrestling, that's why we
want to watch, but we can't.

1478
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:10.039
So we look at things like ratings
and pay per view halls and other things

1479
01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:12.199
to say that, all, right, well, this is at least something

1480
01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:15.960
where we can say the goal was
met or what was not met? And

1481
01:52:16.079 --> 01:52:21.640
then we then we're then we all
suddenly become fucking TV industry people, you

1482
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:26.960
know, right now we're all now
we all fucking we checked the overnights.

1483
01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:30.600
Now it was great when um there
was a website. Um oh man,

1484
01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:33.600
I think it was called TV by
the Numbers. I can't forget. I

1485
01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:41.159
can't believe I'm already forgetting what was
called anyway, you know, the Nielsen

1486
01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:45.279
ratings aren't really something that's public there
there. It's like proprietary, like you

1487
01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:47.159
know, of course all gets to
subscribe to it if you're a television network

1488
01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:51.920
to get those right right. But
there's always been in the history of you

1489
01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:57.119
know, the Internet and then social
media, there's always been some source that

1490
01:52:57.439 --> 01:53:00.840
puts up a website or starts a
Twitter account that lays a show. Buzz

1491
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:03.359
Daily was the most recent one.
TV by the Numbers I think was the

1492
01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:06.399
one before that, the generation before
that. But there's always some insider that

1493
01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:11.439
gets the information and you know,
like a hobbyist, like an industry journalist.

1494
01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:15.239
Basically it's usually anonymous because you're not
supposed to really take this information and

1495
01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:17.520
rebroadcast it without paying for it.
But they would, you know, you'd

1496
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:20.159
be able to reliably turn to them
to see all the ratings the next day,

1497
01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:23.920
you know, see who was number
one on cable and wrestling. We

1498
01:53:24.039 --> 01:53:29.399
got very used to knowing this and
then and then they closed. They said,

1499
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:30.239
well, we're going to cease doing
this. And what they said in

1500
01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:34.960
the message to why they're not why, but in the message saying they were

1501
01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:38.720
going to stop publishing this information,
they said, We're going to miss you,

1502
01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:42.079
but we won't miss the wrestling fans, because like, these people are

1503
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:46.520
just television geeks, they're not wrestling
geeks, and they cannot believe how much

1504
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:51.560
these wrestling fans care and hang on
these ratings. It's just like the funniest

1505
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.800
thing in the world to them that
that's how I read it. And I

1506
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:56.880
can imagine, like I'm running like
this thing that I think is like,

1507
01:53:57.439 --> 01:54:00.359
you know, going to be read
and followed by people in the sea suites

1508
01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:04.840
of the major networks who care about
like actual television productions, and all I

1509
01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:09.600
hear about, all I hear from
are these fucking wrestling fans that want to

1510
01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:13.760
know like eighteen to twenty four minute
by minute, eighteen thirty four minute?

1511
01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:15.039
Yeah, what do you get there? You know? Are you doing?

1512
01:54:16.199 --> 01:54:19.479
What do we got? We did
it decline? But did it decline from

1513
01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:23.800
that peak? I mean so,
but when he was on TV, we

1514
01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:28.720
saw a kind of a we saw
a rise and viewership, Ryan, is

1515
01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:33.840
that the third highest? I mean, look are we of the of the

1516
01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:39.560
month right? Just number? I'm
also the lowest. I'm also the third

1517
01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:45.960
highest I've been all month? What
amazing? Rob also writes him at the

1518
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.439
part where you guys discussed the April
nineteenth, twenty ten Impact with RVD winning

1519
01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:51.239
the title, and I think you
missed a huge possible factor in the decision

1520
01:54:51.279 --> 01:54:54.920
to have the match in the Championship
change hands on free TV with no build

1521
01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:57.079
up the night after the pay per
view. This was the week that the

1522
01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:00.439
Raw roster was stuck in Europe because
of all volcanic eruption that's right in Iceland,

1523
01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.359
which was mentioned earlier when it was
explained that Doug Williams had to drop

1524
01:55:03.439 --> 01:55:05.920
the X division belt because of it, and there was a scramble to pull

1525
01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:10.279
something together, which ended up being
a sloppy episode of Raw that starred Triple

1526
01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:13.600
H, the SmackDown Roster, and
the cast of mcgruber. It was expected

1527
01:55:13.640 --> 01:55:15.520
to be an uninteresting shit show,
so more eyes might have wandered over to

1528
01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:19.520
Impact, where they were trying their
damned as to capitalize on WWB having to

1529
01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:23.640
call an audible and put on a
nothing show. Maybe yep, that they

1530
01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:28.680
could have ended that was very much
Tnasmo was like, you know, have

1531
01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:31.039
big shows and have big moments,
not because it makes sense in the context

1532
01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:34.279
of what we're doing, but because
this is a show we really have to

1533
01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:38.680
do a big number on. We
saw like the Bully ray Brook wedding,

1534
01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:41.960
right, they made sure to put
that on as the lead into the first

1535
01:55:42.039 --> 01:55:45.520
live Bellator fight light so that they
could serve up a really strong lead an

1536
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:50.000
audience for that to make the MMA
show look successful. And yeah, they

1537
01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:54.159
probably and they totally rushed it,
Like the wedding was like two weeks after

1538
01:55:54.199 --> 01:55:58.000
they first started hinting that there was
even a chance of a proposal, and

1539
01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:01.279
it's all like working backwards, like
from this totally arbitrary reason to do something,

1540
01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:04.399
And clearly there was no long range
planning around RVD having the belt,

1541
01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:09.359
no fucking clue where to go from
there. I mean, they you know,

1542
01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:12.399
presented AJ from the beginning of the
Hogan bishof Run is the guy the

1543
01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:15.399
guy they're going to try to make, you know, worthy of that top

1544
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.039
heel position. I'm in the strap
and then it loses to RVD and they

1545
01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:23.520
have no fucking plans for RVD and
he loses it without even a tangible finish.

1546
01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:28.720
Anyway, I don't see the problem. That's that it's all good stuff,

1547
01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:31.640
it's all high quality. It's what
we need, it's what we deserves.

1548
01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:35.239
We want Adams where I'm going.
It's where it's where we're headed,

1549
01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:39.760
Adam writes Bischoff playing the guitar,
regarding it bishof playing the guitar. Remember

1550
01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:45.239
that episode bust this Apparently this was
a post production splice. From what I

1551
01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:47.720
can find online, most seemed to
think it was Dick Dale Oliver, who

1552
01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:50.760
did Tena's music, doing most of
this, thus the hat and the close

1553
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:54.399
up of the hands playing the guitar. Bischoff might have played some, but

1554
01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:58.840
the majority was Dale Oliver. I
tried to confirm this, like if anybody

1555
01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:00.520
actually saw this segment being filmed,
that if in fact that there was a

1556
01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:04.520
body double in for Bischoff on the
guitar playing. I wasn't able to get

1557
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:08.079
it. But if anyone knows for
sure, that that's great detail. It

1558
01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:11.000
wasn't even Bishoff playing the guitar.
I love that. If that's the case,

1559
01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:17.039
makes me happy. Yes, another
dumb thing Tena took from WCW Adam

1560
01:57:17.119 --> 01:57:21.960
rights giving names to episodes. Nitro
used to do the same when really I

1561
01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:25.520
don't remember that at all. Maybe
it was all your guy, but they

1562
01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:30.600
didn't put it on the screen like
TNA did. Oh Jesus the TENA principal,

1563
01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:32.960
He writes, the lowest paid talent
see women consistently draw the highest ratings,

1564
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:36.079
and the highest paid talent see most
x W TBE guys draw the lowest

1565
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:41.359
ratings. Sounds great, sounds like
a great setup right now, I would

1566
01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:44.159
see the problem, wrote to Success. Neil writes, not sure if you

1567
01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:45.880
remember this, but there was an
early episode where Hook puts a tracking device

1568
01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:49.560
in Brooks car to monitor her date. I think I figured out the persona

1569
01:57:49.600 --> 01:57:54.600
they created for Hogan and TNA.
He writes. He's the sitcom dad that

1570
01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:58.399
they tried to make him, and
Hogan knows best. Every episode of Impact,

1571
01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:01.079
he has a plan for his t
and a family that goes awry right

1572
01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:05.000
and sends them on an adventure.
Eric is the neighbor, always hatching get

1573
01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:09.600
rich quick schemes that get them into
trouble. Dixie is the no nonsense mom,

1574
01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:15.239
abysses the sensitive kid. RVD is
the wise, cracking older brother tenas

1575
01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:19.840
sitcom. I like it, yep, I mean, hey, we did

1576
01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:28.920
TAS Network TV Drama Network TV drama. Stephen writes, I know you talked

1577
01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:31.720
in the first episode about how ridiculously
fast things we're moving to TNA's detriment within

1578
01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:34.479
a few months, But now a
few episodes in, it's moving so quickly.

1579
01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:39.239
The shows don't seem just fast in
their booking and philosophy changes. They

1580
01:58:39.279 --> 01:58:42.840
seem schizophrenic, as if they are
changing plans almost mid shows. It makes

1581
01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:49.680
two thousand nitro like eighties Crockett a
matter if it's that bad. But it's

1582
01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:54.239
not like their sixteen things happening in
a segment. Yeah, but they're just

1583
01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:57.800
you just realize their rudderless. They
have no yes, you know what I

1584
01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:01.000
mean, they have no game plan
or just like every week in those early

1585
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:03.960
months just coming to the production meeting
and being like, all right, that

1586
01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:08.079
didn't work. What are we doing
now, Like, let's totally go this

1587
01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:11.399
move, let's totally go that way. Let's not really give anything a chance

1588
01:59:11.439 --> 01:59:14.800
to prove over time that it's that
it can build that's either going to work

1589
01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:16.079
right away or it's not going to
work. And when you start with the

1590
01:59:16.159 --> 01:59:18.359
mentality and you're like, well,
actually, when Hogan's on screen, it

1591
01:59:18.520 --> 01:59:21.880
is the highest rating of the show. You put everybody else in there with

1592
01:59:21.960 --> 01:59:26.479
Hogan and expect, somehow the attention
to be on the guy standing next to

1593
01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:30.479
Hogan instead of Hogan himself. It's
kind of an ass backwards formula. Brett

1594
01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:33.399
writes the subheading under the laps fan
needs to be Your childhood was a lie

1595
01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:40.399
whole. Cogan was always a giant
piece of shit. I don't know about

1596
01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:42.680
you, but I don't come away
from TNH feeling like he was a piece

1597
01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.880
of shit. I feel like he's
almost like this, this strange creature that

1598
01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:50.720
I can't to call him a piece
of shit is to like expect something of

1599
01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:54.920
him, and I expect writing of
him. Right, I'm just like an

1600
01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:58.199
awe of where his mind goes when
he's in a pinch, you know,

1601
01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:01.439
yes, or when he's in a
situation where he needs to cash a check.

1602
02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:03.960
I don't know, did you come
away feeling he's a piece of shit?

1603
02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:10.760
A not a piece of shit?
Piece of his shit is is is

1604
02:00:10.960 --> 02:00:14.920
someone who's like done bad things.
I feel like I'm way too amused by

1605
02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:17.720
this guy too. Buck Zoomhoff is
a piece of shit. Sure, sure,

1606
02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:24.439
yeah, I just I don't know. I'm just I'm too I'm too

1607
02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:30.359
fascinated by his like ways of recontextualizing
reality when he gets, you know,

1608
02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:33.079
caught on tape having an affair,
for example, right exactly, and the

1609
02:00:33.199 --> 02:00:36.279
sort of artifice he has to build
up about where he was in his life

1610
02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:40.600
and all that, and he and
by the by the time he's done,

1611
02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:43.880
it's like, yeah he was,
he was victimized. By the time he's

1612
02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.000
done, Yeah, he's just deserved
on one hundred million dollar damage judgment.

1613
02:00:46.159 --> 02:00:49.760
Yes, he does deserve to have
the website that published the video shut down

1614
02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:56.600
forever and everyone go bankrun crazy.
And for the radio DJ who who betrayed

1615
02:00:56.680 --> 02:01:00.920
his trust to basically lose his entire
fucking radio care such as it was.

1616
02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:08.560
Jeff writes, I was doing weight
training when Hogan called Spike. That's all

1617
02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:14.039
picks up the For my own safety, I listened to Mark Marin interview Wayne

1618
02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:16.319
Brady instead and went back to TLF
at lunch. No way I would lift

1619
02:01:16.359 --> 02:01:24.840
and listened to Terry talk to President
Obama all the good old days like six

1620
02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:28.920
months ago. Oh shit, it's
good stuff. Jeff, it's good fucking

1621
02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:32.439
stuff. Pal. We love it, brother. So that's what Jeff's hearing

1622
02:01:32.640 --> 02:01:38.840
on the TNA tip. Let's keep
going here. Who's next? Boss coming

1623
02:01:38.880 --> 02:01:45.439
your way? All right, you
will be in receipt of TNA sentiment just

1624
02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:48.079
a matter of time. Here.
This is from Ken. You better believe

1625
02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:58.359
that the subject line is TNH in
life is pain, co chairs. This

1626
02:01:58.520 --> 02:02:03.680
teenage journey has been an extra size
in pain. Every segment is worse and

1627
02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:11.399
worse. Hearing boss Man's disgust,
however, has been well worth it as

1628
02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:14.680
all. Yes, as always flares
the highlight of it, and the wou

1629
02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:16.680
off is something that my friends and
I still send back and forth to one

1630
02:02:16.720 --> 02:02:21.199
another. Also, the Terry Balaya
under the cinema journey has been just as

1631
02:02:21.399 --> 02:02:26.760
painful. Hopefully this email is both
an action adventure and comedy for you.

1632
02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.319
Oh my god. Anyway, at
a scroll, I decided that it was

1633
02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:35.640
time to up my gym game and
decided to take up the tight nutrition offer

1634
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:40.680
and pay my time my chairman.
I must go now, as I believe

1635
02:02:40.800 --> 02:02:44.920
I have some sodas in my mini
fridge to restock in my office. Also,

1636
02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:47.479
I need to remind Emily to pick
up my package from gun Club Road.

1637
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:54.880
Your yours in ass pain. Yes, that's correct. Agree, you're

1638
02:02:54.920 --> 02:03:00.000
that Jerry McDevitt is retiring, speaking
of I did good man, I can't.

1639
02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:03.439
I can't, Yes, exactly,
Jerry. If you lost your fastball,

1640
02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:09.119
Pal, Jerry, I listen,
I grow a mustache, you shave

1641
02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:14.039
yours, and suddenly you're losing against
MLW and court. Jerry, I think

1642
02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:19.039
it's time that you retired, Jerry. I mean all the catch and kill

1643
02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:23.960
deals he caught around the sex stuff, that's all out now. So Jerry,

1644
02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:30.600
Jerry, your time is over.
I'd highly recommend that you just get

1645
02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:34.600
off the grid as soon as possible, because you're a liability at this point.

1646
02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:40.920
I mean, let me tell you
something, Pal, if you don't

1647
02:03:41.000 --> 02:03:45.239
get off the grid, I will
remove you from it. Should have known

1648
02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.439
when Jerry said on Dark Side of
the Ring that his bond with Vince McMahon

1649
02:03:48.520 --> 02:03:54.560
is unbreakable, that was the beginning
of perhaps the end that's broken, Pal,

1650
02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:58.840
when you say that it's already broke
to Vince McMahon, Yes, I

1651
02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:00.159
yes, look at this, I'm
looking the mailbag. I forgot. I

1652
02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:03.800
reached out to Brian O, our
guy in the Impact Zone about the Bishof

1653
02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.640
guitar thing, and he did respond. He said, I only remember Bishof

1654
02:04:06.680 --> 02:04:10.279
in the ring back to the crowd
playing the guitar. They didn't have the

1655
02:04:10.319 --> 02:04:12.760
screens on at the time, so
we didn't see the tight shots of the

1656
02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:15.479
fingers whatsoever. I had a suspicion
something was up during that whole thing.

1657
02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:19.560
Wow, So he stood it.
He stood in the ring, perhaps boss,

1658
02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:23.960
and just pretended to play the guitar. I mean, I wouldn't I

1659
02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.319
wouldn't doubt it. It's not like
he has a podcast and someone could ask

1660
02:04:27.399 --> 02:04:30.199
him that. It's not like you
tell the truth anyway. Fort Back,

1661
02:04:30.279 --> 02:04:33.479
folks ask Eric anything. Whatever he
does. Let's go a three weeks overtime.

1662
02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:39.840
Liam writes to us on Patreon.
I'm gonna I'm gonna be sad when

1663
02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:44.560
this podcast returns to its normal Hogan
everything else ratio brother, Well, this

1664
02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:46.319
is February. We'll see if he
still feels that way. On Jack's point

1665
02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:50.239
about walking around muttering hoganisms, I
actually told my physical therapist I was way

1666
02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:55.079
on the team with that brother when
I asked about a possible new shoulder diagnosis.

1667
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:58.119
This is bad. Wow, We're
doing a lot of damage right here.

1668
02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:00.560
Yes, yes, and he writes, the lapsed Tulks tour is like

1669
02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:05.199
a paranoid angel on all of our
shoulders. Isn't that the truth? Michael

1670
02:05:05.239 --> 02:05:12.960
writes, Hogan looks like Bobby from
King of the Hill. You pretty much

1671
02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:16.680
is is it? Really? I
mean I would say I would say that

1672
02:05:16.880 --> 02:05:21.600
the the Hogan family is kind of
like King of a Hill, Wow all

1673
02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:26.319
together and that watch the show and
drips and drabs over the years, But

1674
02:05:26.399 --> 02:05:30.239
I can't say what about the Hill
family is similar to you? I don't

1675
02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:30.800
know. I mean I never really
thought of that. I mean, you

1676
02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:36.319
get kind of this this oh fish, you know, head of household,

1677
02:05:36.359 --> 02:05:43.960
trichy. You know, you've got
the kind of hot trashy daughter, sure,

1678
02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:48.279
idiotic son, and I don't remember
remember the wife actually on King of

1679
02:05:48.319 --> 02:05:54.840
the Hill. Well, I'll tell
you that the Hogans from Hogano's best kind

1680
02:05:54.880 --> 02:06:01.159
of Bundy vibes totally tell I'll tell
you what. I think that more than

1681
02:06:02.239 --> 02:06:05.720
more than that, I feel like
they're just they're Fox family vibes. I

1682
02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:09.560
love it, yeah, you know, because I mean King of the Hill

1683
02:06:09.640 --> 02:06:13.079
was on Fox. You know,
it's like this was only appropriate for the

1684
02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:17.079
Fox, you know, risky.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whole cogen

1685
02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:21.960
is out, Bundy, m something
to think about. Matt writes CoA Chairs.

1686
02:06:21.960 --> 02:06:25.039
I'm running to you today for two
reasons. One, to let you

1687
02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:28.399
know that your teenage journey, while
incredibly entertaining, is actively ruining me as

1688
02:06:28.439 --> 02:06:30.680
a person. We hear, we
heard this a lot. I think we

1689
02:06:30.920 --> 02:06:33.760
really fucked people up with this thing. Yes, they're they're doing and saying

1690
02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:39.199
things they otherwise never would have done. Yeah, and they maybe shouldn't have.

1691
02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:41.640
Number two, to also let you
know that I finally got my ass

1692
02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:45.399
and gear and joined the moat tier
this morning. Fuck yeah, let's fucking

1693
02:06:45.479 --> 02:06:50.640
get it first. The teenage journey, he writes, I love absolutely all

1694
02:06:50.680 --> 02:06:57.840
right, let him know. Fuck. I love few things in this world

1695
02:06:57.920 --> 02:07:00.840
more than the twisted tales of Terry
Boleo has exaggerations as long winded bullshit and

1696
02:07:00.920 --> 02:07:04.239
hiss insecurities can keep me entertained for
days. Suffice to say, this journey

1697
02:07:04.319 --> 02:07:08.039
is right up my alley. I've
watched my fair share of TENA Impact,

1698
02:07:08.119 --> 02:07:11.199
but did not catch any of the
stuff you guys have been covering. These

1699
02:07:11.239 --> 02:07:14.720
segments sound agonizing an audio form,
and I can imagine having to actually sit

1700
02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:16.640
through all of it, so I
must thank you both for suffering to entertain

1701
02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:19.239
the solar system. Yeah, boss, there were times men to turn this

1702
02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:23.279
journey where it was just like,
Okay, now I have to start up

1703
02:07:23.319 --> 02:07:30.039
another episode of Impact, and another
one and another one last week on Impact.

1704
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:33.439
I mean, I mean I said
it before, like you know,

1705
02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:41.960
just like looking at the Yes.
So if you don't remember or you missed

1706
02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:46.840
it, I'd get I'd get an
email, yes you would from Jack.

1707
02:07:47.319 --> 02:07:51.560
Every master list of what we're talking
about while we're covering, right, and

1708
02:07:51.960 --> 02:08:00.680
what I needed to watch was always
highlighted yes. And it was agonizing.

1709
02:08:01.000 --> 02:08:05.880
Correct, It was so agonizing to
read it and be like when is this

1710
02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:09.880
shit going to end? And there
were sometimes this was what was great.

1711
02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:13.039
So there were sometimes where I'm like, oh, you know, this isn't

1712
02:08:13.079 --> 02:08:16.439
so bad. Actually this is okay, this isn't He's always bad. Okay,

1713
02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:20.439
I guess he's not here. I
guess he's not all in out around

1714
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:24.680
here that that much in this this
year. And then apparently what I would

1715
02:08:24.720 --> 02:08:33.399
miss is the the link or the
little little message right view entire messages like

1716
02:08:33.520 --> 02:08:35.359
no, no, no, no, this is like a quarter of what

1717
02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:41.039
we're watching it's like, oh my
god, the fuck so much Hogan and

1718
02:08:41.159 --> 02:08:45.800
I look, I didn't highlight every
Hogan segment. There were plenty that I

1719
02:08:45.920 --> 02:08:50.239
just can you imagine, and it
was all so bad, Like, of

1720
02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:56.560
of all people, you would think
Hulk Hogan at least his segments, well,

1721
02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:00.239
we'll feel worth watching. And by
the time this was over, I'm

1722
02:09:00.239 --> 02:09:03.279
like, this guy is like the
most boring person in TNA. I don't

1723
02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:07.600
know how it happened. He's the
most famous wrestler of all time, certainly

1724
02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:11.960
captured our imagination as kids. Ye, God damn it. It's just no

1725
02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:16.880
one gives a fuck about Hogan and
Jeans. Really, it like no one

1726
02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:18.439
gives a shit about Hogan, who's
not going to get in the ring?

1727
02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:22.159
Pretty much. Something I did not
expect at the start of this journey,

1728
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:26.520
however, he writes, is that
I would eventually be in voluntarily yelling out

1729
02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:30.079
ric flair isms like I have Tourette
syndrome over the past week. You're a

1730
02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:33.520
clown, Hogan, Sting, Sting, Sting, I am a god in

1731
02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:39.560
your life. The abyss, the
abyss simply just clown have overtaken my vocabulary.

1732
02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:43.560
I just can't shout just one either. If one phrase escapes my mouth,

1733
02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:46.239
I will, without fail yell out
the rest. I'm not proud of

1734
02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:50.119
this, but it has become my
life. My poor wife, God bless

1735
02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:52.760
her, has learned to deal with
my wrestling fandom over the years, but

1736
02:09:52.840 --> 02:09:56.039
I don't think she ever expected Ric
Flair Ticks to enter the equation. I

1737
02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.680
will say that I did hear her
yell out clown to herself in a separate

1738
02:09:58.760 --> 02:10:03.359
room the other day. The disease
is spreading as we're joining the moat tier.

1739
02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:05.039
I've been a twenty dollars patron for
quite some time now, and I've

1740
02:10:05.039 --> 02:10:07.439
been teetering with making the leap for
a few months now. I've been more

1741
02:10:07.520 --> 02:10:11.800
content with the ad free shows more
than content with the ad free shows,

1742
02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:15.800
live pay per view, sorry ple
calls, and under the cinemat the thought

1743
02:10:15.800 --> 02:10:18.560
of Russell Mommia it was interesting,
and I've heard some of this American work

1744
02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.319
on YouTube, but I just kept
neglecting to do the right thing. I

1745
02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:24.720
live in Michigan and last night there
was a shooting at Michigan State University.

1746
02:10:24.079 --> 02:10:26.600
I don't personally know anybody affected,
but a lot of my co workers either

1747
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:30.319
live in that area or have children, family members that go to the MSU,

1748
02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:33.159
so this morning had a pretty somber
feeling to it. When I got

1749
02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:35.239
in the car from my morning commute, I did what I usually do when

1750
02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:37.239
I need a distraction and turned on
that fucking cast. I ponied up the

1751
02:10:37.279 --> 02:10:41.199
extra money, became a Moat tier
member, and loaded up episode one of

1752
02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:45.880
Russell Mammia. Money well spent.
I've listened to the first four and a

1753
02:10:45.920 --> 02:10:48.239
half episodes while driving today and have
giggled like a little bitch multiple times to

1754
02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:52.800
myself. When Mama Sorrow suggests a
match with the wrestlers have to climb a

1755
02:10:52.920 --> 02:11:00.479
rope to retrieve the championship belt instead
of the ladder. That was a rap

1756
02:11:00.600 --> 02:11:03.359
for me. This stuff is a
gold mine. Other moments that have already

1757
02:11:03.439 --> 02:11:07.039
etched themselves in my mind. Or
Mama Sorrow asking if Randy Savage died from

1758
02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:15.039
Jake snake bite, asking what does
Helkamania and JP not really beg able to

1759
02:11:15.159 --> 02:11:20.560
explain it to a normal person,
asking if mankind is indeed mankind or a

1760
02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:28.359
bad guy right? Asking if Sid
Justice, asking if sid Justice still plays

1761
02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:35.840
and her not giving a single fuck
about mcfole or should I say Dan Cook

1762
02:11:35.439 --> 02:11:41.000
sacrificing his body for the industry that
made him what he is, instead getting

1763
02:11:41.079 --> 02:11:48.560
increasingly more upset that they are not
even in the cage. And that's the

1764
02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:50.159
one to listen to. Man,
that's the summers lang Idi do is the

1765
02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:56.239
hell on this one? Oh my
god? Yea and focusing focusing on the

1766
02:11:56.479 --> 02:12:07.399
Undertaker's quote uniform, I know the
word choices are really just yeah. Apologies

1767
02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:09.880
if this email got a little rambley. Just want to let you guys know

1768
02:12:09.920 --> 02:12:13.399
that you once again made a shitty
day a bit brighter. You guys are

1769
02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:16.680
awesome and you continue to pump out
content that is simply unmatched. Thank you

1770
02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:18.760
guys for injecting Rick Flair sound bites
into my brain. Thank you guys for

1771
02:12:18.840 --> 02:12:24.560
Mama sorrow, and thank you guys
for all Comedia Flair and TNA just like

1772
02:12:24.720 --> 02:12:35.079
pictures right now, it's in the
fucking wheelchair, the TA law thing.

1773
02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:39.479
Oh god, Ellis writes, I
am one of those poor souls who bought

1774
02:12:39.560 --> 02:12:43.399
and ate a whole Cogan cheeseburger.
Oh dude, I mean we saw these

1775
02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:46.800
in your frozen food ile. This
one of the many things Hogan slapped his

1776
02:12:48.239 --> 02:12:52.119
his likeness on. I don't know
if I mentioned this, but among the

1777
02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:58.560
documents from his um lawsuit against Laser
Spine is an outline of how TNA kind

1778
02:12:58.600 --> 02:13:01.840
of bought the rights to exploit the
whole COG and trademark. It's not his

1779
02:13:01.960 --> 02:13:05.720
contractor you know, appear as talent, but he got an extra million for

1780
02:13:05.800 --> 02:13:09.880
that. I hope folks know that
for what? So the T and A

1781
02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:13.239
could license the whole trademark, like
so they could you know, make toys,

1782
02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:16.760
eats, t shirts and keep you
collect the money. Great things come

1783
02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:22.920
to those who wait. At that
time, he says, of the cheeseburger,

1784
02:13:22.000 --> 02:13:28.439
they were being sold at the local
dollars store. I a lot.

1785
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:35.640
Just think about a whole Cogan cheeseburger
from the dollar store, frozen, fucking

1786
02:13:37.399 --> 02:13:41.520
fucking things suck. Did you do
it? Would I do at the Would

1787
02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:45.399
I eat it at the dollar from
the dollar store? Do you eat Cog

1788
02:13:45.560 --> 02:13:54.439
cheeseburger from the dollars? Yeah?
Let me just say you're ending the way

1789
02:13:54.479 --> 02:14:01.479
you described it doesn't give it justice. The burger, he writes, has

1790
02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:05.079
the taste of a gym mat covered
with cheese that was the color of Hulk

1791
02:14:05.159 --> 02:14:11.600
themselves, and I would assume tasted
the same as taking a bite of Hulk's

1792
02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:24.439
leathery hide, or the foods that
create the soushage and feed the desire within

1793
02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:37.119
your soul. These are the foods
that feed desire, or as our beautiful

1794
02:14:37.239 --> 02:14:43.039
lapsed ecosystem shirt on correscion teeth puts
it, one of the key things,

1795
02:14:43.199 --> 02:14:54.960
and the lapsed ecosystem is undermined desire. The patty is life, j Patty

1796
02:14:56.159 --> 02:15:16.920
is life. Don't tell that to
Shamus. It's time for you to reach

1797
02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:24.560
the next fish. I'm not exactly
a picky eater, Ellis concludes, but

1798
02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:26.680
even I could not finish this monstrosity. But if it did have a good

1799
02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:31.119
quality, it did for my colin
what my lapsed co chairman knew that the

1800
02:15:31.239 --> 02:15:35.439
gifted asunder brother, So there you
go. Someone who ate the Hull Coven

1801
02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:41.920
cheeseburger deal writes why would Hogan er
Bishop be interested in increasing paper views?

1802
02:15:43.840 --> 02:15:48.560
They are trying to get side deals
with viacom. TNA being viable is fun,

1803
02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:50.159
but they are using it as a
stepping stone like they did with WCW

1804
02:15:50.439 --> 02:15:58.800
and Turner Entertainment. What definitely never
above name dropping Scott Fishman and Kevin k

1805
02:16:00.079 --> 02:16:05.199
was Eric Bishop Christopher Wright's interviewer.
So about that tactitle win in TNA,

1806
02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:09.199
what was the point behind it?
Nash? Please? What it was?

1807
02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:13.840
I was supposed to do? Pick
my feet in Poughkeepsie. That's from the

1808
02:16:13.880 --> 02:16:18.119
French Connection, by the way,
great flick, I got the god anyway,

1809
02:16:20.279 --> 02:16:24.640
you're fucking watched the making of you
know, you know what the fuck

1810
02:16:24.680 --> 02:16:30.079
am I gene hacking the fucking French
Connection. Shit, but you got me

1811
02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:33.319
fucking uh, you know, chasing
a fucking subway, you know, a

1812
02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:43.280
fucking l train in a fucking car. Fuck, remember that that next thing,

1813
02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:48.559
you know, it'll be fucking you
know, you'll me be fucking bogey

1814
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:58.600
in the treasure this year of Madre, Remember that probo segment where it was

1815
02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:01.879
him and Jarrett and staying and He's
like, I know where this is going.

1816
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:05.799
I've seen this story, this game
before. I've seen and he's talking

1817
02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:09.879
about this like back like backstage intrigue, and it makes no sense. It's

1818
02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:13.479
like the low point of the whole
teenage journey to me. He's in there,

1819
02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:16.959
you know, you know, listen, I fucking saw Three Days of

1820
02:17:16.040 --> 02:17:22.200
the Condor right exactly. I know
what the fuck is going on. Oh

1821
02:17:22.280 --> 02:17:24.200
my god, I'm trying to remember
the kind of I'm trying to remember,

1822
02:17:24.280 --> 02:17:28.000
like a key search term that can
help me land on the notes from that

1823
02:17:28.120 --> 02:17:35.000
one, But I can't remember some
of the things he said. Oh my

1824
02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:39.440
god, I'm so it was so
horrendous. They're just standing around saying these

1825
02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:45.000
impenetrable things. Nobody can understand what
they're talking about, and they think it's

1826
02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:50.319
so intriguing, Like this whole company's
going down, you know. Steve writes

1827
02:17:50.360 --> 02:17:54.520
there was no way Tommy Dreamer wouldn't
sign with TNA once he heard they served

1828
02:17:54.559 --> 02:18:01.920
turkey legs at the Impact Zone.
That's a good points. He was offering

1829
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:11.559
a pizzeria too. You're gonna open
a pizza stand for them, Tommy Kreamer.

1830
02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:22.399
All right. This is uh entitled
The Accidental Brilliance of TNA in twenty

1831
02:18:22.680 --> 02:18:26.239
ten by Scott all Right. Chairman, Greetings, We recently interacted on Twitter

1832
02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:30.000
as I sent you the video of
a kid cutting a promo on Hulk Hogan

1833
02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:31.879
at a store, with Hogan clearly
not sure if he's losing his heat.

1834
02:18:33.120 --> 02:18:37.360
Yes, My brother Austin has been
a regular LAPS fan contributor with his emails

1835
02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:43.799
and cameos. He had the Hogan
Fears Finn Power promo and has included such

1836
02:18:43.879 --> 02:18:50.120
gems. An email of his signed
buff Bagwell Baseball, I thank TLF for

1837
02:18:50.239 --> 02:18:54.920
helping me help him get his love
of the sport of kings back. We

1838
02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:56.959
attend to wrestle many together this past
year and it was truly a once in

1839
02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:01.680
a lifetime kind of thing, and
I have TLF in part to thank onto.

1840
02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:05.559
The main topic of my email,
that is the accidental brilliance to be

1841
02:19:05.719 --> 02:19:11.000
found in t H. Sting is
often called the dumbest man in wrestling because

1842
02:19:11.040 --> 02:19:13.719
of how often he has been betrayed. Somehow, the creative minds in TENA

1843
02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:18.959
actually ran a low key brilliant story
with Sting. From the beginning of TENH

1844
02:19:18.079 --> 02:19:22.520
to Bound for Glory twenty ten.
Sting is finally ahead of the game from

1845
02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:26.040
his first appearance in TENAH. The
story is that Sting knows he can't trust

1846
02:19:26.239 --> 02:19:37.040
Bishoff or Bischolf. He realized there's
another seriously bishof every week in those early

1847
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:45.159
Jesus. He realizes anyone siding with
Hogan intentionally or being fooled is collateral damage

1848
02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:48.559
and if he has to beat the
frog of Hogan the fog of Hogan and

1849
02:19:48.639 --> 02:19:52.600
Bischoff out of people he will.
This is why he attacks RVD and sides

1850
02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:56.000
with him in twenty and twenty eleven, for instance, and why he initially

1851
02:19:56.200 --> 02:20:00.159
could be on Team Flair and then
takes Flair on later in the year ye

1852
02:20:00.440 --> 02:20:03.799
when he is convinced Flair is all
the way with Hogan or just in his

1853
02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:07.799
way. He is trying to protect
TNA in a way no one is in

1854
02:20:07.120 --> 02:20:11.680
the entire year, because he knows
those two are only looking out for themselves,

1855
02:20:11.760 --> 02:20:15.120
which they were. It's the one
story you can go back and see

1856
02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:18.879
develop and appreciate that they held on
for so long. I mean, I

1857
02:20:18.079 --> 02:20:28.159
guess, I mean, I can't
imagine. Yeah, I see the point.

1858
02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:31.360
I see that, But I don't
think. I don't think I would

1859
02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:35.120
have been interested if I was watching
this fucking week to week and I forgot

1860
02:20:35.159 --> 02:20:39.440
about shit that happened. Yeah,
yeah, I don't think it's like a

1861
02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:41.799
tribute to the story they're trying to
tell with Sting. I think it's the

1862
02:20:41.879 --> 02:20:45.639
fact that the only person Hogan felt
worthy sharing a storyline with the whole time,

1863
02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:48.280
with the exception of really in those
last few months with Staying and even

1864
02:20:48.280 --> 02:20:50.719
then Sting is involved in like forty
percent of it, right, It's like,

1865
02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:54.680
yeah, they have to be.
They have to be involved in a

1866
02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:58.399
storyline the whole time. I'm not
saying they land the playing completely, but

1867
02:20:58.479 --> 02:21:03.280
in some ways TNA is the best
run of Sting's career. That's agreed when

1868
02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:05.200
you factor in match quality, promo's
character work, et cetera. And that's

1869
02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:09.360
because TENA, for its false didn't
relegate Sting behind others the way he was

1870
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:15.600
in WCW so often they impact after
Bound for glorious fascinating with Nash's promo about

1871
02:21:15.639 --> 02:21:18.479
not taking the money and stings killer
moment when he singles flare out and what

1872
02:21:18.559 --> 02:21:22.520
at least comes across as an improviser, a genuine moment. He goes away,

1873
02:21:22.680 --> 02:21:26.000
comes back with the network behind him
as if we need that, and

1874
02:21:26.159 --> 02:21:30.680
wins the title and does some good
promo work and has some good title matches

1875
02:21:31.239 --> 02:21:35.360
Victory Road notwithstanding, I don't know
if TENA saw this is a big plan

1876
02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:39.559
or stumbled onto it, but it's
probably the highlight of the tenh era for

1877
02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:43.479
me. Thank you again and thank
you for a whole commania. I think

1878
02:21:43.479 --> 02:21:46.159
you said that you developed a new
appreciation of what Sting can do. Absolutely,

1879
02:21:46.239 --> 02:21:48.959
I think this is the best Sting. This is the best works thing

1880
02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:54.799
ever did that I've seen. For
sure. His promo work was more or

1881
02:21:54.879 --> 02:22:01.440
less the best I've seen. Certainly
the latter stage is just not as good,

1882
02:22:01.600 --> 02:22:05.680
Like he kind of went back to
his old bullshit. But um,

1883
02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:07.639
I think I think it's because there
was that shooting at the dark night.

1884
02:22:09.559 --> 02:22:13.799
He couldn't do the heath electric character
is aggressively in the end, but it

1885
02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:16.600
wasn't even that. It was like
he just started barking, lying like he

1886
02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:20.399
just was stupid, like it was
he It was nineteen ninety five Sting like

1887
02:22:22.000 --> 02:22:26.840
saying weird shit and and looking like
a corn dog. You know. He

1888
02:22:26.200 --> 02:22:30.360
he was so one dimensional in WW. I feel like his ninety one to

1889
02:22:30.600 --> 02:22:35.360
ninety two run is competitive with his
T and run for for you know,

1890
02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:37.840
best of his career just in terms
of how much better the in ring stuff

1891
02:22:37.959 --> 02:22:41.120
was. But the present presentation was
so undimensional. I mean, the guy,

1892
02:22:41.879 --> 02:22:43.680
the guy could not get you emotionally
involved in the storyline back then,

1893
02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:46.079
no way. It was just like, you know, the heat came from

1894
02:22:46.079 --> 02:22:50.399
the fact that he was like the
cleanest baby face imaginable and the victim of

1895
02:22:50.440 --> 02:22:54.239
injustice. But he wasn't. He
wasn't getting you invested in him as a

1896
02:22:54.319 --> 02:22:58.639
person on the mic at all.
He was just this cartoon character. Um

1897
02:22:58.840 --> 02:23:01.719
hard Way writes, TNA, She's
just pretty much fear and loathing in Orlando.

1898
02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:05.200
I like that. All this subtext
makes me want to take acid.

1899
02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:11.000
There is probably a drug smuggling seaplanes
air dropping narcotics weekly. Awesome. Imagine

1900
02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:13.040
that is the case, Jason writes
it all the lapsed fan pantheon. There

1901
02:23:13.079 --> 02:23:16.600
may not be a more pitiful person
than Dixie Carter. I'm not talking about

1902
02:23:16.600 --> 02:23:22.840
sympathy, but that pure, uncut
pity that makes your stomach. Her absolute

1903
02:23:22.959 --> 02:23:28.079
yearning to be something beyond a feckless
failed kid is only matched by her complete

1904
02:23:28.120 --> 02:23:31.520
incompetence to achieve anything of value.
She is pitiful and painful to watch.

1905
02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:33.959
I half expect don seen It to
show up on TEENA to grant her fucking

1906
02:23:35.079 --> 02:23:37.000
make a wish. Say what you
will about Shane and Stephanie, which is

1907
02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:41.239
a lot. At least they know
how to boss around the help. Shane

1908
02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:45.120
and Stephanie watch Succession and deny that
they are those characters, whereas Dixie watches

1909
02:23:45.159 --> 02:23:48.040
with a wistful sigh, hoping one
day she can be like those characters.

1910
02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:54.760
I think that's that's true. That's
true, very true. Ellis also writes,

1911
02:23:54.760 --> 02:23:56.200
well, at least this end of
the ECW revival stuff, that's true.

1912
02:23:56.239 --> 02:24:00.520
That did bring that whole trend to
an end when they did EV two.

1913
02:24:00.680 --> 02:24:03.520
Wasn't that your favorite part of TNH
boss when it became the ECW Revival

1914
02:24:03.559 --> 02:24:09.159
for a minute, huh how about
it? Raven Tommy Dreamer, Rhino,

1915
02:24:09.360 --> 02:24:13.319
Yeah, oh yeah, actual,
well, it did give my favorite fucking

1916
02:24:13.000 --> 02:24:18.799
Raven quote. Ever, it's that
which is Hogan saying, quote the Holster

1917
02:24:20.399 --> 02:24:26.840
never more. I was a fan
of that. Also writes kind of nuts

1918
02:24:26.920 --> 02:24:30.639
how they had Hogan and Bishop debut
in January and by summer had already tried

1919
02:24:30.680 --> 02:24:33.840
to get Hayman and Ross to write
this thing. And that's true. I

1920
02:24:33.959 --> 02:24:35.399
know, it's so true. It's
all anybody could talk about in the sheets.

1921
02:24:35.520 --> 02:24:39.799
Was like his Hayman coming in.
That's how fucking rudderless the ship was

1922
02:24:41.520 --> 02:24:43.479
our Ronaldi to answer the boss Man's
question. In twenty and twenty two,

1923
02:24:43.479 --> 02:24:48.479
Impact averaged one hundred and five thousand
viewers. There you go, I was

1924
02:24:48.559 --> 02:24:54.000
hoping to be one hundred and five
viewers. Um, there was a question

1925
02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:56.879
about where they stand today, and
that's that's where it is. Shout outs

1926
02:24:56.920 --> 02:25:01.520
to Chris Mains, who bumped up
to the the big boy tier in the

1927
02:25:01.600 --> 02:25:05.479
midst of TNH and laced us with
some notes here here's Ruce love how the

1928
02:25:05.559 --> 02:25:11.000
b story of TNH is examining culture
right before social media irreversibly damage to the

1929
02:25:11.079 --> 02:25:13.680
world and the way we have discussions. So true, such a subtext like

1930
02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:20.520
Hogan becoming familiar with Twitter, Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, and like

1931
02:25:20.639 --> 02:25:24.719
tweeting like storyline stuff, but also
tweeting things that you would never tweet a

1932
02:25:24.760 --> 02:25:28.040
decade later when you appreciate the public
nature. But people were still kind of

1933
02:25:28.079 --> 02:25:33.760
unsure, like yeah, how much
private is okay on Twitter? Like who's

1934
02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:35.959
actually seeing this? Is it really
the whole world? Can it really blow

1935
02:25:37.079 --> 02:25:39.280
up? Yeah? You have Bischof, you know, writing drunk messages on

1936
02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:43.559
Facebook. As called out by Jeremy
Borash on one of the episodes of Impact

1937
02:25:43.639 --> 02:25:48.559
is last Bischof's Last Impact. It's
it's interesting, It's true. These these

1938
02:25:48.600 --> 02:25:52.760
guys are they know there's something there
that they can leverage to stay relevant.

1939
02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.520
But they have not mastered how to
use it at all yet, and they're

1940
02:25:58.000 --> 02:26:00.760
a ton of faux pause like Hogan
doing a video. He's like high on

1941
02:26:00.840 --> 02:26:05.719
fetnel in the fucking hospital, like, oh, no self awareness, Liam

1942
02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:09.239
writes, and I think he's right. Eric Bischoff loves nothing more than a

1943
02:26:09.319 --> 02:26:13.159
cedar plank filet of meat yep.
Is it about the cedar plank, boss?

1944
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:16.040
Oh totally. I mean it's that's
that's that's one of the things.

1945
02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:20.719
The wood chips, right, yeah, oh god, he totally fucking wood

1946
02:26:20.760 --> 02:26:24.559
chips everything. Daniel writes regarding the
Blue Light for Hardcore Justice to Beat.

1947
02:26:24.639 --> 02:26:28.319
I mean, there's no let me
with this way. His he has a

1948
02:26:28.399 --> 02:26:33.719
grill outside. It is not a
gas grill, no fucking way. He

1949
02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:41.159
builds that fire every fucking time.
He loves to get the smoke right exactly.

1950
02:26:41.280 --> 02:26:48.559
He loved his glasses. Yeah,
you know, a serious scowl,

1951
02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:52.479
like stoke in the fire a little
bit, you know, stoke in the

1952
02:26:52.120 --> 02:26:58.319
the wood chips and the coals.
He is a very st He's wearing a

1953
02:26:58.399 --> 02:27:01.879
he's wearing a he's wearing a black
button down shirt that had He's like,

1954
02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:09.760
but the top four buttons are unbuttoned. Oh all right, and he's got

1955
02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:13.079
he's got and he's got rolled up, you know, like the sleeves rolled

1956
02:27:13.159 --> 02:27:18.440
up and ship and he's got like
you know, black slacks onto you know.

1957
02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:26.719
Oh my god, I can't,
I can't. I can't get enough

1958
02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:31.680
of him at home. It's like, where's that reality show? Seriously?

1959
02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:35.360
I mean, she imagine all it
would be would be like you know him,

1960
02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:37.079
I'm okay, like and I imagine
him too. Like one of the

1961
02:27:37.120 --> 02:27:41.600
things he does. He gets up
at like five in the morning, all

1962
02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:43.360
right, because about five in the
morning and dog walk the hound. Yeah,

1963
02:27:43.440 --> 02:27:46.239
he walks walks the hound, you
know, the like throws you know,

1964
02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:50.399
like places fetch with him every morning, hot hot coffee and right,

1965
02:27:50.479 --> 02:27:54.840
well this is what he yeah,
well no, but he does that first,

1966
02:27:54.920 --> 02:27:58.600
and he comes back and he makes
French press, all right, he

1967
02:27:58.719 --> 02:28:03.920
makes French press coffee. And then
he sits out on the deck and like

1968
02:28:05.120 --> 02:28:09.040
reads some fucking book, you know, Like he's so awesome, dude,

1969
02:28:09.360 --> 02:28:15.319
some like you know, philosophy book
or the newspaper maybe, you know,

1970
02:28:15.600 --> 02:28:24.040
just fucking sipping away like as as
the sun comes up. Life fucking idiot.

1971
02:28:28.879 --> 02:28:33.520
My favorite part of this show is
saying a series of completely inoffensive things

1972
02:28:35.719 --> 02:28:39.079
and concluding that it's deeply annoying and
stupid. These things are like the most

1973
02:28:39.120 --> 02:28:43.600
anodyne things you could say about somebody. He's living a perfectly coint like life.

1974
02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:48.760
It's it's like a Verbo ad.
Yeah, and you conclude with fucking

1975
02:28:48.840 --> 02:28:54.159
idiot, Daniel, because you know
why. You know there's a reason behind

1976
02:28:54.239 --> 02:29:00.360
it, because because deep down all
the uses of fucking Carny like it's all

1977
02:29:00.399 --> 02:29:05.680
a fucking fraud. I love it
so much. I love it. He's

1978
02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:11.399
not a real person. No one
lives like. That's what he read in

1979
02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:20.760
a fucking book when he was five
years old. Idiot. Yeah, how

1980
02:29:20.799 --> 02:29:22.840
are you like? Did uh?
Doc? Holiday? Aces and eights?

1981
02:29:22.879 --> 02:29:31.159
When it was right dead man's hand? Very cool, cool, extremely cool

1982
02:29:31.319 --> 02:29:35.639
stuff. Daniel was when we were
watching Hardcore Justice, the one with the

1983
02:29:35.760 --> 02:29:39.719
ECW guys, Why is the ring
blue? Why are they projecting blue on

1984
02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:43.159
the ring? And he said the
blue light Firecore Justice I always assumed was

1985
02:29:43.200 --> 02:29:46.360
meant to make Tena's ring look like
ECW's old ring, which had a blue

1986
02:29:46.399 --> 02:29:50.719
matt. Okay, that's really stupid, but that might be the reason ken

1987
02:29:50.840 --> 02:29:54.959
Wright's Cahonies. That was the name
they gave balls. Mahoney, Remember I

1988
02:29:54.040 --> 02:29:58.639
really hate ec W. I really
do you hate it more than TNA?

1989
02:30:00.120 --> 02:30:07.520
Um, that's a good question.
I mean, obviously you'll hate ECW n

1990
02:30:07.559 --> 02:30:11.680
t NA the most. But and
that's what we're talking about here. I

1991
02:30:11.879 --> 02:30:20.079
just I just hate you know,
how guys in gene Shorts became stars like

1992
02:30:20.319 --> 02:30:24.639
cut off like not John cena Ones. It's not even that, It's just

1993
02:30:24.840 --> 02:30:31.280
that it's got this fucking legendary aura
and there's so little that I've ever seen

1994
02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:35.959
that is worthwhile. Are you Are
you trying to say we should do an

1995
02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:43.719
ECW journey? Thoughts crossed the thoughts
crossed my mind only to get rid of

1996
02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:48.440
all the fucking shows and never have
to do another one, you know.

1997
02:30:48.639 --> 02:30:52.079
And if I'm honest with myself about
the genesis of coming up with TNAH,

1998
02:30:52.399 --> 02:30:56.639
it wasn't part that it was like
there could be a hopper one day where

1999
02:30:56.719 --> 02:31:00.799
like we've got to get into the
whole story of Hogan and TNA, and

2000
02:31:00.959 --> 02:31:03.040
yeah we did. We of course
reserve the right to say no to shows,

2001
02:31:03.040 --> 02:31:05.920
and we may very well do that, but it does get the mind

2002
02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:09.040
turning. The same thing happened with
Bash at the Beach. I was like,

2003
02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:11.360
you know, Bash at the Beach
two thousand, that's where we can

2004
02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:13.520
really once we cover that, every
time anyone brings it up, they're going

2005
02:31:13.559 --> 02:31:16.440
to mention us because we're gonna go
deeper and harder and longer. We're gonna

2006
02:31:16.479 --> 02:31:20.159
leave no stone in turn. We're
gonna get court documents, We're going to

2007
02:31:20.280 --> 02:31:24.559
do it the right way. And
it's like, should I wait for somebody

2008
02:31:24.680 --> 02:31:28.120
to put the pressure on us to
do it or should we just fucking do

2009
02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.079
it right? That's a real good
motivation. I think to do a TLF

2010
02:31:31.200 --> 02:31:33.000
episode is to get it over with
or at least two Yeah, you know

2011
02:31:33.040 --> 02:31:35.159
what, I mean, to do
it on your own terms, on your

2012
02:31:35.159 --> 02:31:39.959
own timeline. And I feel like
there's just so much about Hogan, a

2013
02:31:39.040 --> 02:31:43.280
lot of it too to go ahead. No, I'm just I'm just commenting.

2014
02:31:43.319 --> 02:31:46.719
I love it too. Is like, you know, Hogan knowing that

2015
02:31:46.799 --> 02:31:52.040
there was a moment I've talked to
you about this where Hogan says that his

2016
02:31:52.200 --> 02:31:56.079
dick isn't actually that long, Terry
Ballet is dick isn't that long? Like

2017
02:31:56.280 --> 02:32:01.440
knowing he said that in the Gawker
trial, honestly, it's it's all about

2018
02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:05.000
building to that moment. Like the
whole idea, of the whole conceit of

2019
02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:09.479
it was like, how can we
while also doing something about a wrestling show

2020
02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:11.840
instead of just like this thing that
has nothing to do with wrestling, but

2021
02:32:11.920 --> 02:32:15.319
I to do with Hulk Hogan,
get to that moment where he says that

2022
02:32:16.079 --> 02:32:18.840
Terry Ballet is dick isn't as long
as Hulk Hogan's. How can we get

2023
02:32:18.879 --> 02:32:22.840
there? Because that's however he ended
up. There is a story, and

2024
02:32:24.440 --> 02:32:28.319
here we are. It's done.
It's I don't have to worry about it.

2025
02:32:28.799 --> 02:32:33.840
And it's the It's the lunacy.
It's the lunacy. Yes, it's

2026
02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:35.479
all the stuff. Because you realize
he's saying and doing all this stuff on

2027
02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:39.600
TNA television as well. It's not
just in the halls of the courtrooms.

2028
02:32:39.319 --> 02:32:43.799
It's not just an entertainment Tonight or
TMZ or in the media. He's saying

2029
02:32:43.840 --> 02:32:48.159
and acting the same way, and
he's doing storylines based around lawyers and legal

2030
02:32:48.239 --> 02:32:54.559
ease and hide the ball and manipulation
and lying and friends turning on him and

2031
02:32:54.719 --> 02:32:58.280
trusting people when he was right all
along to not trust them, like Bully

2032
02:32:58.399 --> 02:33:05.280
Ray. It's fucking amazing that it
is. And Ken writes about how Baal's

2033
02:33:05.319 --> 02:33:09.000
mahoney was called Khons in Hardcore Justice, which I know was definitely something you

2034
02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:13.479
were just fascinated by. Writes,
Cahones is as good a fake name as

2035
02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:16.360
they could have come up with for
Ba's mahoney. And I'm like, well,

2036
02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:20.360
I mean, they really has called
him balls Khones or something. Maybe

2037
02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:24.840
maybe they'd be too close to infringing. They got very scared about getting sued,

2038
02:33:24.440 --> 02:33:30.440
But maybe how about smallones. Neil
makes a great point. Something we

2039
02:33:30.520 --> 02:33:33.159
need to know about whole Coogan is
he's going to New York on business crucial

2040
02:33:33.239 --> 02:33:41.600
to his character. I mean,
I mean also why New York, Man,

2041
02:33:43.680 --> 02:33:46.000
that's where Spike's offices are. I
mean, I guess, but every

2042
02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:48.159
time he says he's going to New
York, it's like, immediately think he's

2043
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:52.399
going to w B. Yeah,
we don't think he's trying to He's acknowledging

2044
02:33:52.479 --> 02:33:58.559
in some way that the headquarters city
of the other company is where Syria should

2045
02:33:58.559 --> 02:34:01.559
have I'm going to New York's right, something that comes second when New York

2046
02:34:01.600 --> 02:34:05.280
comes walking, it's the same.
It's the age old thing inferiority complex that

2047
02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:09.399
only had when we did Black Saturday. You know, it's like all because

2048
02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:11.559
you're from New York. The only
reason Vince beat me in that whole Face

2049
02:34:11.600 --> 02:34:15.920
office because he's from New York and
TV stations and fucking Butler, Ohio.

2050
02:34:16.479 --> 02:34:18.879
We're just over the moon with the
fact that some guy from New York wanted

2051
02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:24.399
their attention. And it's probably right. Honestly, I probably did go a

2052
02:34:24.479 --> 02:34:28.760
lot further than Vince would be willing
to acknowledge. Stephen Wright's boss is ever

2053
02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:33.600
waiting patience and tolerance for the stupidity
of all involved in twenty TNA is the

2054
02:34:33.719 --> 02:34:39.159
most money thing ever. Well,
I am here to please people with my

2055
02:34:39.319 --> 02:34:43.200
suffering, Ellis writes, after the
tenth time hearing the Dixie theme, it

2056
02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:46.159
finally hit me. It sounds like
something you'd hear in a mid nineties Cinemax

2057
02:34:46.239 --> 02:34:54.159
movie that features brief nudity in a
female prison. Like exactly what he means

2058
02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:56.799
by that, Ye, James R. One, I think one thing needs

2059
02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:00.600
to be made clear. When Bob
Kilowatt Cowboy Carter proposes taking a ride in

2060
02:35:00.600 --> 02:35:03.639
the ranch with JR. He says
they could go on one of the horses.

2061
02:35:03.920 --> 02:35:07.200
That's Bob Carter astride a stallion with
Jim Ross on the back riding bitch.

2062
02:35:07.399 --> 02:35:16.280
I'll leave that visual with you,
fucking Jr. With his hands on

2063
02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:22.319
Bob Carter's waist. We're ready to
turn down the offer. Oh my god,

2064
02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:24.879
So Jim Muddle, what's it gonna
take to get you to come over

2065
02:35:24.959 --> 02:35:31.360
to TNA? What damn? Oh
god, dare Bob. I'll take a

2066
02:35:31.479 --> 02:35:35.399
ride on a horse, damn it. Can you buy ten million dollars a

2067
02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:39.840
barbecue sauce? Well that I'm not
gonna do. But I'll tell you what,

2068
02:35:41.040 --> 02:35:43.000
my friend, I will gladly get
on a horse with you. Now,

2069
02:35:43.079 --> 02:35:48.239
you just you just saddle up with
me. He's wrapping those hands around

2070
02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:52.799
my waist and we'll get on a
good old fashioned horsey ride. I'm any

2071
02:35:52.840 --> 02:35:56.879
acres Fuddlund. Oh my god,
it's so annoying. When Dixie did the

2072
02:35:56.920 --> 02:36:00.920
interview with Steve Auston on his old
podcast, and he's like she's talking about

2073
02:36:00.959 --> 02:36:03.520
how like it's impolite to talk about
how many acres the family actually owns,

2074
02:36:05.719 --> 02:36:07.280
and yeah, I don't give a
rat sash about that. Why don't you

2075
02:36:07.399 --> 02:36:13.440
just tell me what kind of cheeseburgers. Your dad makes does he clear brush?

2076
02:36:13.840 --> 02:36:18.559
Does he clears you do? Let
me ask you? Does he do

2077
02:36:18.639 --> 02:36:26.000
a dry rob? Are we talking
dry rob? Your damn bitch? Yeah,

2078
02:36:26.079 --> 02:36:31.360
that's when the interview ended. Alex
has a good question, Boss Ali.

2079
02:36:31.639 --> 02:36:33.799
Listen, at what point do you
think Hulk Hogan became a parody of

2080
02:36:33.879 --> 02:36:41.440
himself? Ah? Uh? January
four, twenty ten was it? It

2081
02:36:41.479 --> 02:36:46.360
wasn't in wcw Uh No, I
don't think so. I don't think he

2082
02:36:46.399 --> 02:36:48.559
was a parody of himself. I
kind of think he was in two thousand

2083
02:36:48.559 --> 02:36:52.600
when he went back to the red
and yellow. Maybe, but you know

2084
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:56.280
what, I'll tell you what mister
America, Mister America's a good one when

2085
02:36:56.319 --> 02:37:01.120
he did mister America. Yeah,
literally is a parody of himself. Yeah.

2086
02:37:03.479 --> 02:37:05.799
Jindi has a great question, why
are we always waiting on the first

2087
02:37:05.879 --> 02:37:09.879
day of the rest of TNA's life. That was the story, That was

2088
02:37:09.920 --> 02:37:11.840
the take home point. That's all
there is, man. As you tell

2089
02:37:11.920 --> 02:37:16.840
people, it's it's on the come, you can stay paid, can never

2090
02:37:16.000 --> 02:37:18.840
get there. That would be insane. It's like whenever you hear someone on

2091
02:37:20.719 --> 02:37:22.920
the news talk about how like we
still got a lot of work to do,

2092
02:37:22.719 --> 02:37:24.680
like what the progress has been made, but we still got a lot

2093
02:37:24.719 --> 02:37:28.040
of work to do. In other
words, please don't stop paying me,

2094
02:37:28.719 --> 02:37:33.680
right, because we're never we don't
want to get there. It's always like

2095
02:37:33.799 --> 02:37:37.000
an easy sound bite, like when
someone who's working to fight homelessness, for

2096
02:37:37.040 --> 02:37:39.360
example, says, I hope one
day I'm out of a job. Now

2097
02:37:39.399 --> 02:37:45.000
you don't, No, you don't
you hope that homelessness never goes away?

2098
02:37:45.360 --> 02:37:48.120
Of course it's akin to like you
know, and you know what, I

2099
02:37:48.159 --> 02:37:52.639
don't fault you for that, no, because you acknowledge it'll never go away,

2100
02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:56.040
or at the very least that you're
not incentivized to see it go away.

2101
02:37:56.200 --> 02:38:01.239
You're much more incentivized for to at
least still exist, Like you want

2102
02:38:01.319 --> 02:38:03.600
people to need your service, right, even if it's not in the best

2103
02:38:03.639 --> 02:38:07.239
interest right, Adam writes, the
one thing that sticks out for me with

2104
02:38:07.319 --> 02:38:11.799
this ten ten ten stuff is when
hell Hardy, Jeff Jarrett and Abyss take

2105
02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:16.000
a sign from the crowd and no
ship. The sign says they're here th

2106
02:38:16.319 --> 02:38:20.040
h E ri E TENA. Couldn't
even get the grammar right. Yeah,

2107
02:38:20.079 --> 02:38:24.200
and we've very much confirmed that they
were writing those signs. Phil writes,

2108
02:38:24.239 --> 02:38:28.200
well done, Jack, you got
me go fine with Hogan saying dizzil on

2109
02:38:28.520 --> 02:38:33.120
the Liz Vizzi Rasadio with regards to
accidentally appearing on Van Dam's call in show,

2110
02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:39.000
Dizzel on the liziv Rosadio on live
radio. Maybe lez I Rosadio.

2111
02:38:41.000 --> 02:38:46.079
Yes, Dizzel on the Liz I
Rosadio. That was something when Hogan called

2112
02:38:46.079 --> 02:38:48.719
an rd's radio show. Oh that
was so fucking weird. Just in some

2113
02:38:48.959 --> 02:38:52.239
dark corner or the internet, nobody
knew. Yeah, yeah, get get

2114
02:38:52.360 --> 02:38:56.600
up progressing tas fired up. Boss
Matt writes. What I don't understand,

2115
02:38:56.680 --> 02:39:00.680
brother, is what you just said
to me. Dude, print print the

2116
02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:05.760
T shirts immediately, let the folks
know. I mean, if you're going

2117
02:39:05.799 --> 02:39:09.840
to do a teenage slip back meal
back, I mean, what hit pro

2118
02:39:09.920 --> 02:39:16.239
ussing dot com slash the last Christ. I mean, so much shit went

2119
02:39:16.399 --> 02:39:22.440
into fucking I was just on there
too earlier. Uh to go back here,

2120
02:39:22.559 --> 02:39:26.920
let's see when where it all started. Uh lapsed army. Of course,

2121
02:39:26.360 --> 02:39:31.239
that's a beat style of Bubba Army. Yeah, yeah, we got

2122
02:39:31.360 --> 02:39:39.040
a fun what did the whole thing
say? Uh? We to get this

2123
02:39:39.239 --> 02:39:43.000
thing back on track, we need
to dial it in. It's on one

2124
02:39:43.079 --> 02:39:52.440
shirt. It's on one shirt.
We got uh clown Infrastructure, we got

2125
02:39:52.520 --> 02:39:58.879
just plain old Brother, we got
Pummis Power. Oh yeah, I get

2126
02:39:58.879 --> 02:40:03.360
the Hummus endorsement. Yea, hide
the Ball one of my favorites. I'm

2127
02:40:03.360 --> 02:40:07.959
buying that one. Yeah, talking
to You've been talking to Frankie, dude.

2128
02:40:11.760 --> 02:40:18.319
We've got the mid Carterners and Zero's
shirt, yes, stingmon this well,

2129
02:40:18.440 --> 02:40:20.879
this one's just new, but it's
not nothing to teenage, but the

2130
02:40:20.959 --> 02:40:30.760
new TLFT generation shirt delicious. And
then we've got Taz's Red Hooked Diner amazing.

2131
02:40:31.680 --> 02:40:35.559
It's just the T shirts become like
a cliffs notes to these tests.

2132
02:40:35.959 --> 02:40:39.079
Yes, yes, because it not
only highlights the broad strokes and highlights the

2133
02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:43.680
very strange esoteric only joked about at
once. Corner of the show, corner

2134
02:40:43.760 --> 02:40:46.879
of the journey. Neil, Right, it's going to just throw this out

2135
02:40:46.920 --> 02:40:50.239
there. Does anyone think Hayman would
have seriously entertained going to TNA. He's

2136
02:40:50.239 --> 02:40:54.239
had this unwavering loyalty to Vincence nineteen
ninety five, through their ups and downs,

2137
02:40:54.440 --> 02:40:58.680
certainly had the opportunity to take other
jobs in wrestling after he was dismissed

2138
02:40:58.719 --> 02:41:01.520
from WWE, but he never did
anything. I think he was pretty clear

2139
02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:05.840
about what it would take to go
to TNA, and whether he said that

2140
02:41:05.079 --> 02:41:09.040
knowing they would never do it,
which is just a way of saying no

2141
02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:11.520
is I suppose that a thought worth
entertaining. But I mean, basically,

2142
02:41:11.600 --> 02:41:16.959
he wanted ownership stakes, and he
wanted to be able to make decisions on

2143
02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:22.200
talent over Dixie Carter and Janis Carter's
head, and there's no fucking way that's

2144
02:41:22.200 --> 02:41:24.360
going to happen. The only reason
TENNA exists is because Dixie gets to play

2145
02:41:24.399 --> 02:41:28.079
boss, right, the only reason
it exists, the only reason money keeps

2146
02:41:28.120 --> 02:41:33.079
getting put into it, despite very
very very little to show for it from

2147
02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:39.040
the pencil pushers and the number of
crunchers at pant Energies Dallas offices. So

2148
02:41:39.159 --> 02:41:43.399
I think that's that's pretty clear.
I don't think I think he probably knew

2149
02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:46.520
he was making demands that were never
going to be met. Right, But

2150
02:41:46.600 --> 02:41:50.079
if they said guests like you can
basically have ownership points in the company,

2151
02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:54.520
maybe even the men taken a public
At some point, Dixie was making noise

2152
02:41:54.559 --> 02:41:56.959
like she was going to give equity
points to the wrestlers long term. That

2153
02:41:58.079 --> 02:42:01.680
was something she thought would be kind
of a like a profit sharing model,

2154
02:42:01.719 --> 02:42:03.639
which has never happened in wrestling as
far as I know. I guess you

2155
02:42:03.680 --> 02:42:07.479
can say Hogan kind of had it, but it was more just like for

2156
02:42:07.639 --> 02:42:11.479
his personal appearances. It wasn't like
six percent of all company revenue, you

2157
02:42:11.559 --> 02:42:15.680
know. But I was like,
I kind of dig that that notion of

2158
02:42:15.799 --> 02:42:18.680
like cutting the wrestler in under profit, you know, I guess used to

2159
02:42:18.680 --> 02:42:22.680
happen in the territories, like when
Jerry Lawler finally buys into the office and

2160
02:42:22.840 --> 02:42:26.559
goes into business with Jerry. Jerry, it's a percentage of everything off the

2161
02:42:26.639 --> 02:42:31.399
top. But that's just one wrestler. It's not like a model that cuts

2162
02:42:31.440 --> 02:42:37.120
everybody in a on a little percentage. It's one wrestler just rise the existing

2163
02:42:37.159 --> 02:42:41.719
owners out or starts up his own
shop. Leam writes, the RVD radio

2164
02:42:41.760 --> 02:42:45.920
show segment just gave me such twenty
ten PTSD that I just had to stop

2165
02:42:46.000 --> 02:42:48.840
ship shopping and sit inside my cart
in the middle of Medjer. I guess

2166
02:42:48.879 --> 02:42:54.120
that's a store, Minyar. I
literally just climbed all the way inside my

2167
02:42:54.159 --> 02:42:58.479
cart to listen to that in the
middle of the paper towel Aisle yep agreed.

2168
02:42:58.559 --> 02:43:01.920
Any moments like that over the weeks
and months, you Stephen do that.

2169
02:43:01.079 --> 02:43:05.000
Listening to this episode really hammers home
that the wrestling business saw Dixie coming

2170
02:43:05.079 --> 02:43:07.559
from a million miles away. Oh
god, yeah, I wonder what the

2171
02:43:07.639 --> 02:43:11.120
music was is she was coming from
million miles away? I guess that's the

2172
02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:28.799
question. Down a voice is step
beside me screaming out so loud over the

2173
02:43:28.959 --> 02:43:37.000
sign is saying it's stem telling me
I want to do a brisket eye you

2174
02:43:37.159 --> 02:44:15.159
lose. It's the only way you
your try go down. Tis tisn't his

2175
02:44:15.360 --> 02:44:43.520
arm, No doubt tis tisn't is
a one two grenoli. No falling at

2176
02:44:43.600 --> 02:45:01.680
the rock double this, No doubt
your clowd Foming at the crock great things

2177
02:45:01.799 --> 02:45:15.760
cool to those who ate se fucking
thing sucks. Those balls are slow as

2178
02:45:15.840 --> 02:45:28.159
as fucking fuck you, hug.
No doubt. I've done alcohol and I've

2179
02:45:28.200 --> 02:45:35.120
done the Rijan fucking Anti. I
was in Mexico off the grid. It's

2180
02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:52.159
fake foming at the block. I
ate a lot of Oh my god,

2181
02:45:54.280 --> 02:46:03.799
it's some fucking family feared man.
That's some fucking funny shit. And for

2182
02:46:03.920 --> 02:46:09.840
those who aren't fucking hip, you
missed the Running Man under the cinemat with

2183
02:46:11.120 --> 02:46:16.040
Richard Dawson going for the ride in
one of the most magical moments of fucking

2184
02:46:16.120 --> 02:46:20.000
alchemy I've ever seen on a podcast, where you just hit that song at

2185
02:46:20.040 --> 02:46:26.680
the exact moment and the movie just
cooperates. I mean it was amazing.

2186
02:46:28.360 --> 02:46:31.079
Oh God, got it. You
gotta know, you gotta find out for

2187
02:46:31.159 --> 02:46:37.280
yourself what we're talking about. Get
an that eptr or above Jesus, It

2188
02:46:37.440 --> 02:46:39.799
writes, Hogan is like a cat. If you leave a box out,

2189
02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:43.079
he'll sin in it because he feels
protected on all sides. Brother, what

2190
02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:48.920
Ellis writes, Tena Wrestling is really
a male soap opera, as it takes

2191
02:46:48.959 --> 02:46:54.520
them eighteen weeks to say something that
could be said in eighteen seconds. Adam

2192
02:46:54.559 --> 02:46:56.920
writes, have come to a conclusion. The best way to summarize the Tenah

2193
02:46:58.040 --> 02:47:03.079
journey is to quote from the brahndra
Anaka Upanishad, a sacred Hindu text.

2194
02:47:03.520 --> 02:47:07.840
We are like the spider. We
weave our life and then move along in

2195
02:47:07.920 --> 02:47:11.200
it. We are like the dreamer
who dreams and then lives in the dream.

2196
02:47:11.600 --> 02:47:15.719
This is true for the entire universe. This entire journey is one orange

2197
02:47:16.239 --> 02:47:20.840
orange man's dream, he writes,
from divorce to willingly cucking a shock jock,

2198
02:47:20.239 --> 02:47:24.959
to getting conned into meme back surgeries
that don't work, to turning heel

2199
02:47:24.079 --> 02:47:28.159
for no reason, and then ultimately
leaving with little to no fanfare. But

2200
02:47:28.280 --> 02:47:31.760
at the end of the day,
what will what will we remember? One

2201
02:47:31.840 --> 02:47:37.559
thing? The exact food he ate
before fucking Heather clem Brother Philip a pig.

2202
02:47:39.120 --> 02:47:41.120
Yeah, that's one of the biggest
ones is when he says I'm just

2203
02:47:41.159 --> 02:47:46.959
a country bumpkin to Heather clem ah
in that private pillow talk moment. Oh

2204
02:47:46.319 --> 02:47:50.280
what's what does that say? Boss? I mean, now that we've seen

2205
02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:54.879
it all and heard it all from
this guy back then, he still is

2206
02:47:54.879 --> 02:47:58.840
afraid of him. He still has
imposter syndrome. Of course, it's amazing

2207
02:47:58.879 --> 02:48:01.479
he's whole Cogan and he's still afraid
that people just look at him as a

2208
02:48:01.479 --> 02:48:03.799
country bumpkin. Most people don't even
know he's from, you know, the

2209
02:48:03.920 --> 02:48:07.440
South Atlanta. I think he's from
fucking Venice Beach, California, most of

2210
02:48:07.520 --> 02:48:11.319
them, right, Neil says.
The cynic in me says that Bischoff and

2211
02:48:11.360 --> 02:48:15.600
Hogan are taking the pay per views
because they are working on their separate deals

2212
02:48:15.639 --> 02:48:18.559
with Viacom, and pay per views
don't help them to get their pet pop

2213
02:48:18.639 --> 02:48:20.520
projects off the ground. It's like
Turner all over again, where Hogan thought

2214
02:48:20.520 --> 02:48:24.120
to get movies. Yeah, he
made this point. It's possible. I

2215
02:48:24.200 --> 02:48:31.520
think what it was was that the
pay per views were not making enough money,

2216
02:48:31.840 --> 02:48:35.239
like they had to do them.
We found out that they had to

2217
02:48:35.280 --> 02:48:37.879
do them. They were contracted to
do them right, and all they cared

2218
02:48:37.879 --> 02:48:43.239
about was delivering for the television partner
that was funneling the real revenue stream for

2219
02:48:43.319 --> 02:48:46.639
TNA to whatever the annual rights view
was they were paying. And yeah,

2220
02:48:46.959 --> 02:48:50.680
Bischoff is going to say a million
times over that Spike paid his salary and

2221
02:48:50.719 --> 02:48:54.079
hogan salary. Of course they're going
to care about giving Spike the ratings because

2222
02:48:54.079 --> 02:48:56.680
that's precisely where their bread is buttered, right right, You know, Spike

2223
02:48:56.760 --> 02:49:03.639
makes no money off the pay per
views as TENA turned it around. Yet

2224
02:49:03.719 --> 02:49:05.639
no, it has oh turned it
around. Check, Yeah, it's fun.

2225
02:49:05.799 --> 02:49:11.799
Throughout the course of the journey,
Russell Vibes on Twitter was like continuously

2226
02:49:11.879 --> 02:49:18.000
checking and hes TNA turned it around
yet have they turned Vera rights. To

2227
02:49:18.040 --> 02:49:20.280
be clear, Dixie had not been
a TV character prior to this. She

2228
02:49:20.360 --> 02:49:22.879
was involved under the new creative regime
because defeature her on the show makes it

2229
02:49:22.959 --> 02:49:24.879
more real. Yeah. Yeah,
she had done that addressing of the troops

2230
02:49:24.920 --> 02:49:28.879
in November two thousand and nine before
Hogan and Bischoff came in, and that

2231
02:49:28.000 --> 02:49:31.440
was really the first time we saw
her. She wasn't exactly a television character

2232
02:49:31.440 --> 02:49:33.760
because that was kind of a shoot, but as the first time she was

2233
02:49:33.799 --> 02:49:37.639
presented as Tenna president on television in
a way that was kind of like a

2234
02:49:37.600 --> 02:49:41.520
deal. Really great analysis, he
says, By the way, to point

2235
02:49:41.520 --> 02:49:43.959
out to Bishof and Russo alike,
they think it's somehow satisfying or enjoyable as

2236
02:49:43.959 --> 02:49:46.760
a fan for the Heels to say
we played you like a fiddle. That's

2237
02:49:46.799 --> 02:49:50.040
why they always failed when making grand
plans for angles. They pay no mind

2238
02:49:50.040 --> 02:49:54.319
to providing any actual Catharsis down the
road. The swerve and the subsequent gloating

2239
02:49:54.360 --> 02:49:58.760
are the ends of themselves. Ah, that's so gross. Picture like Bishoff

2240
02:49:58.799 --> 02:50:03.040
and the Ring going, I we
got you, like, just where where's

2241
02:50:03.040 --> 02:50:11.959
the remote? Where's the remote?
It's just a fucking pieces. Should you

2242
02:50:11.959 --> 02:50:16.879
know what the Righteous Gemstones are?
I know that it's a show, right,

2243
02:50:16.159 --> 02:50:20.920
I'm not sure it's a Zach makes
the reference Jeff Hardy cutting promo sounds

2244
02:50:20.920 --> 02:50:24.319
like someone from The Righteous Gemstones,
except he's trying to sound the show actors,

2245
02:50:24.399 --> 02:50:26.840
trying to come across as cringey buffoons. I think it's a show.

2246
02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:33.799
That's exactly what you're saying. It's
like it's a cringey on purpose. Else

2247
02:50:33.879 --> 02:50:35.440
says I never watched a minute of
TNA, but hearing it back, it

2248
02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:39.479
seems to me the story would only
work if the audience had built up a

2249
02:50:39.520 --> 02:50:43.200
love and sympathy for Dixie, which
I don't see having ever been established.

2250
02:50:43.440 --> 02:50:46.959
It seems like Dixie just assumed the
audience loves her, so her being threatened

2251
02:50:46.000 --> 02:50:50.079
would be very impactful, and the
audience did not give a shit. Ding

2252
02:50:50.200 --> 02:50:52.840
ning Ning, you nailed it right. That's exactly right. I think she

2253
02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:58.399
thought. Because she wandered and meandered
amongst crowds of two hundred and fifty people

2254
02:51:00.040 --> 02:51:03.399
on the road and signed to autographs
and took pictures with the X Division title,

2255
02:51:03.840 --> 02:51:05.280
that anybody who the fuck she was? And it's like those people are

2256
02:51:05.360 --> 02:51:09.520
not that's not the television audience,
Like, that's such a small sliver of

2257
02:51:09.600 --> 02:51:15.040
people that you're asking to care about
an angle involving you by staying tuned on

2258
02:51:15.079 --> 02:51:18.959
the television set. Definitely presumptuous about
how many people knew who she was.

2259
02:51:18.200 --> 02:51:22.879
For sure, I would agree with
that. Paul says, Mike, Mike

2260
02:51:24.000 --> 02:51:28.319
TNA's damn it, damn it is
the exact thing he screams when the last

2261
02:51:28.440 --> 02:51:33.239
leg of his parlay doesn't come through. Let that echo, William writes,

2262
02:51:33.239 --> 02:51:35.760
does whole go to wrestler's funeral so
we can walk up to the casket,

2263
02:51:35.840 --> 02:51:37.600
gently, place his hand in the
body, and count one, two,

2264
02:51:37.680 --> 02:51:41.559
three under his breath. Yes,
Therea writes absolutely, this is the problem

2265
02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:45.120
with the heel authority in the end, when you were on TV every week

2266
02:51:45.200 --> 02:51:48.719
telling the fans that you represent the
company and are responsible for everything frustrating and

2267
02:51:48.840 --> 02:51:52.520
upsetting on the show, eventually the
heat is transferred to the company. The

2268
02:51:52.639 --> 02:51:56.879
company should be babyfaced and want the
fans to enjoy the product. Exactly for

2269
02:51:56.000 --> 02:51:58.600
so much of Hogan, ten A
run him or bischoffice in the ring,

2270
02:51:58.639 --> 02:52:01.399
saying I've got all the power and
the show is not what you want.

2271
02:52:01.440 --> 02:52:09.159
It to be Aha, Nan Nana
Nan sounds great. Haystacks Hogan strumming in

2272
02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:13.559
the crutches that he needs to get
down the rampwoy. He writes, Why

2273
02:52:13.680 --> 02:52:18.159
take the time to watch this stuff
when the co chairman are distilling essences in

2274
02:52:18.280 --> 02:52:22.120
that cast iron saucepan. Yeah,
yeah, we tend to do that.

2275
02:52:22.360 --> 02:52:28.520
We tend to distill essences. Mike
rates Dixie cutting promos and talking wrestling sounds

2276
02:52:28.559 --> 02:52:31.000
like the mom joining in playing with
the kids. That's exactly what it is.

2277
02:52:31.120 --> 02:52:35.959
She doesn't quite have the right lingers
close, isn't quite knowledgeable enough,

2278
02:52:35.959 --> 02:52:39.000
but she can mostly fake it.
And she doesn't have the same enthusiasm as

2279
02:52:39.040 --> 02:52:41.360
the kids are in this case the
fans, but she pretends she does.

2280
02:52:41.520 --> 02:52:46.479
They're with that boss. Ye,
there's our boy, Sam from Michigan on

2281
02:52:46.760 --> 02:52:50.959
Jeff Hardy well selling in. It's
addressed to me because I asked the question,

2282
02:52:52.000 --> 02:52:58.319
but I'd love for you to share
his response with the Solar System Jack.

2283
02:52:58.440 --> 02:53:01.319
On the last two episodes of Tenage, much hay was made about Jeff

2284
02:53:01.360 --> 02:53:05.520
Hardy declaring that he didn't sell out, but rather sold in on the service.

2285
02:53:05.559 --> 02:53:11.840
That seems illogical and you both asked
how this is possible. Perhaps one

2286
02:53:11.920 --> 02:53:16.280
thing you're are considering is the possibility
that Fortune Immortal operates from a parent company

2287
02:53:16.360 --> 02:53:20.200
perspective like a trust. It is. That's true. I haven't thought of

2288
02:53:20.280 --> 02:53:24.000
that. It is possible that upon
joining the faction that Carnea Athletes, Jeff

2289
02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:28.040
Hardy and this instance transfer the ownership
of their property to the trust, such

2290
02:53:28.079 --> 02:53:35.959
as a real estate investment trust or
r EI a reet. I think it's

2291
02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:39.719
entirely possible that upon joining the faction, Jeff transferred the rights to his property

2292
02:53:39.799 --> 02:53:45.040
in this instances intellectual property, into
the management of the Fortune Immortal Trust.

2293
02:53:45.479 --> 02:53:48.520
This would allow him to benefit not
only from his income, but also from

2294
02:53:48.520 --> 02:53:52.079
a portion of income generated by all
members of the trust. This transfer of

2295
02:53:52.120 --> 02:53:56.000
intellectual property would not strictly meet the
definition of selling. But Jeff Hardy is

2296
02:53:56.040 --> 02:54:00.159
an idiot, so I can see
how he might not understand this trans for

2297
02:54:00.479 --> 02:54:03.840
isn't a sale per se. It
is a smart move, however, because

2298
02:54:03.879 --> 02:54:09.760
by hitching his wagon with the Fortune
Immortal Intellectual Property trusts, Jeff maybe poised

2299
02:54:09.799 --> 02:54:15.360
to realize modest returns to the top. That's great, man, that's great.

2300
02:54:15.399 --> 02:54:18.799
That's a stroke of genius. Is
what that is modest returns to the

2301
02:54:18.920 --> 02:54:22.479
top. I'm not a registered investment
advisor. This is not this is not

2302
02:54:22.639 --> 02:54:31.799
constitute investment advice. Jeff says,
unbelievable, He's sold in. I don't

2303
02:54:31.799 --> 02:54:35.959
see the problem. Adam writes Jeff
Hardy's pretentious, inane poetic monologues sound like

2304
02:54:37.040 --> 02:54:41.360
Matthew McConaughey's rust Collie character from season
one of True Detective if the character had

2305
02:54:41.399 --> 02:54:52.120
severe brain damage. Monica has a
great dispatch from the front during the during

2306
02:54:52.159 --> 02:54:56.040
the Throes of Tnah, the subject
line is bully Ray boss, share it

2307
02:54:56.120 --> 02:55:03.760
with the people, all right.
Um, my two year old recently walked

2308
02:55:03.760 --> 02:55:07.200
into my husband and I watched a
clip from a recent Impact pay per view.

2309
02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:11.360
It would have been more merciful for
her to slight hold on one a

2310
02:55:11.399 --> 02:55:16.760
second here, Umm, merciful for
her to have seen us fist deep in

2311
02:55:16.879 --> 02:55:20.479
each other's assholes. Let's go,
Monica, that's right now. When she

2312
02:55:20.600 --> 02:55:26.280
goes to therapy will be to unpack
the The formative memory of seeing Scott de

2313
02:55:26.440 --> 02:55:35.520
More do a Canadian destroyer is if
we weren't already terrible enough parents for exposing

2314
02:55:35.559 --> 02:55:39.239
our sweet child at Tianna Impact The
clip then ended on the face of Bully

2315
02:55:39.360 --> 02:55:43.360
Ray, a sweaty, stunned rictus
of shock as he stared into the camera

2316
02:55:46.959 --> 02:55:52.040
seriously. Our two year old regarded
Bully Ray's pale, pinkish visage with some

2317
02:55:52.360 --> 02:56:01.639
derision before declaring, with the utmost
certain certainty, quote, balloon. You

2318
02:56:01.719 --> 02:56:07.079
think he looks like a balloon?
Yep, balloon. So there you have

2319
02:56:07.239 --> 02:56:11.600
it. As you continue your your
long suffering journeying to the depths of tenh

2320
02:56:11.680 --> 02:56:18.760
whatever Bully Ray curses your screens,
just remember ballooney Ballooney Ray. It's pretty

2321
02:56:18.799 --> 02:56:20.840
fucking tremendous monica. That's amazing.
That's a good one. Do you love

2322
02:56:20.920 --> 02:56:26.799
that one? Chrisiani? Shit,
yeah, Tena joking about concussions just three

2323
02:56:26.920 --> 02:56:30.680
years after the ben Wah murders is
just too much. Yeah, think of

2324
02:56:30.760 --> 02:56:37.360
that. That's true. Yeah.
Adam simply put Angelo Baldament's Audrey's dance song

2325
02:56:37.479 --> 02:56:43.760
from Twin peaks in the background as
they talk. Oh my god, this

2326
02:56:43.920 --> 02:56:48.040
is he said. It'd be an
instant improvement to Tenay's endless Ten's endless backstage

2327
02:56:48.079 --> 02:56:54.600
segments. Bischoff has definite Benjamin Horn
energy for those tell people about that.

2328
02:56:54.639 --> 02:57:03.079
I don't get the true Uh,
he's just he's just you know, he's

2329
02:57:03.360 --> 02:57:11.239
he's he run he runs the hotel
in Twin Peaks, and he's just he's

2330
02:57:11.319 --> 02:57:15.600
power hungry, he's selfish, and
he doesn't really give a shit about his

2331
02:57:15.719 --> 02:57:20.600
daughter, you know, like unless
things are bad. You know. Oh,

2332
02:57:20.959 --> 02:57:24.399
totally Wow, that landed with you. I could tell. That's some

2333
02:57:24.559 --> 02:57:30.319
good shit for those familiar weird craven, mercilessly, cutthroat, debased, sexually

2334
02:57:30.479 --> 02:57:35.000
funny, depressed. There we go, lot going on and TNA a lot

2335
02:57:35.079 --> 02:57:39.200
going on. It's no one's finest
hour. And then that, of course

2336
02:57:39.719 --> 02:57:43.559
that's where the real investigation begins.
Right, that's right, Jefftown writes.

2337
02:57:43.639 --> 02:57:46.680
Much like the WW network, the
lawyers in this case obtained hours of raw

2338
02:57:46.799 --> 02:57:52.719
footage. Brother. This is during
the Laser Spide Institute deposition. Dude,

2339
02:57:52.760 --> 02:57:56.959
my bizzle is out here. I
suppose that's preferable to the time with Buba's

2340
02:57:58.000 --> 02:58:01.000
wife when his pizzle was out.
Oh man, you're gonna, I'm gonna

2341
02:58:01.399 --> 02:58:07.479
you're not gonna rebably hear this,
but you can hear it. Is that

2342
02:58:07.600 --> 02:58:09.360
the Twin Peaks music. Yeah,
that's what he's talking about. This is

2343
02:58:09.399 --> 02:58:24.639
Addrey's danced boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom wow boom. That would

2344
02:58:24.639 --> 02:58:28.840
have improved Tena's backstage segments. I
actually would have measurably, Adam writes,

2345
02:58:28.879 --> 02:58:33.879
Bolea Versus Laser Spine is the low
budget Japanese monster movie the world needed and

2346
02:58:33.959 --> 02:58:37.079
sadly never received. Premise, A
giant monster is wrecking Japan. Hulk Coogan,

2347
02:58:37.399 --> 02:58:39.600
fresh off of knocking out in Tony
and Oki in the finals of the

2348
02:58:39.760 --> 02:58:45.559
njp w i WGP nineteen eighty three
Champions League, is whisked away to a

2349
02:58:45.639 --> 02:58:48.639
secret government location where he's grown to
be five hundred feet tall to combat the

2350
02:58:48.799 --> 02:58:52.559
giant menace. I can't be the
only person who mindlessly sees something wild or

2351
02:58:52.639 --> 02:58:56.559
weird or interesting in my day to
day life, and then utters, in

2352
02:58:56.639 --> 02:59:00.479
Hogan's voice some alternating combination of brother, dude and what's the guttle butt?

2353
02:59:00.520 --> 02:59:05.440
You are not? This is Hogan
doesn't recall five thousand times during the deposition.

2354
02:59:07.040 --> 02:59:09.799
One thing he does recall what he
ate before breathlessly fucking bub his wife.

2355
02:59:11.000 --> 02:59:11.879
That's right, do you remember what
it was he ate? I don't

2356
02:59:11.879 --> 02:59:16.440
remember this. I don't remember or
what it was. He felt like a

2357
02:59:16.520 --> 02:59:18.680
pig. I remember he felt like
a pig. Yeah, he felt fat.

2358
02:59:18.760 --> 02:59:24.200
Brother. Is it Mexican? Maybe? Probably? There's always Mexican.

2359
02:59:24.239 --> 02:59:26.159
He's always eating Mexican. It's always
Mexican food. Everyone's always eating fucking Mexican

2360
02:59:26.239 --> 02:59:31.159
food. All says it's gotten this
bad. Actual conversation incoming. Wife,

2361
02:59:31.639 --> 02:59:33.000
I'm taking the baby to the clinic. I think she has an ear infection.

2362
02:59:33.040 --> 02:59:43.159
Again me brother, flash Meowski.
So I'm following along here. Basically,

2363
02:59:43.840 --> 02:59:46.079
laser spine is snake oil, but
they've tried to fleece the world's biggest

2364
02:59:46.120 --> 02:59:50.600
bullshitter. So everyone's getting lost in
the weeds trying to figure out when Hogan's

2365
02:59:50.680 --> 02:59:54.200
lying because he picks and chooses what's
complete fiction on TV and what isn't.

2366
02:59:54.440 --> 02:59:56.639
Never thought I'd see the day with
the man himself has to repeatedly explain that

2367
02:59:56.799 --> 03:00:01.079
reality TV and pro wrestling is fucking
fake, while someone desperately tries to say

2368
03:00:01.120 --> 03:00:05.760
that it isn't. Exactly, these
lawyers want that Brookne's Best show to be

2369
03:00:05.840 --> 03:00:09.879
real. It's amazing it would serve
their purposes if it were real. God

2370
03:00:09.959 --> 03:00:13.520
right, that episode avoided us,
didn't it? It eluded us. What

2371
03:00:13.639 --> 03:00:18.159
the fuck is on? That?
Thing? Reminds me of that one time

2372
03:00:18.280 --> 03:00:28.520
Lap Savage has had to do that
with Elizabeth's parents after Jake Robert smacked Carlos.

2373
03:00:28.680 --> 03:00:33.200
Stallion writes, hul Cogan is perpetually
incredulous and paranoid, which knocks him

2374
03:00:33.200 --> 03:00:35.959
off track. So he spends ninety
eight percent of his energy trying to get

2375
03:00:35.000 --> 03:00:45.239
back on track thinking about omelets.
Brother can't deny that would talk about all

2376
03:00:45.280 --> 03:00:48.639
these strange interjections that happened during the
laser spine deposition. Brian or one of

2377
03:00:48.680 --> 03:00:54.040
our trusty lapsed attorneys from the bench
rights at actual trial or courtroom testimony,

2378
03:00:54.079 --> 03:00:58.040
and objecting opponent will make a motion
to strike to get improper questions and testimony

2379
03:00:58.159 --> 03:01:01.840
removed from the fact finder or juries
cosideration, and you can object to your

2380
03:01:01.879 --> 03:01:05.360
own question or witness. Though almost
no practitioner ever does this without the motion

2381
03:01:05.440 --> 03:01:09.000
to strike. But we're wondering,
why why do they keep saying motion to

2382
03:01:09.079 --> 03:01:11.959
strike when everyone's already heard it right
without the motion to strike, Brian explains,

2383
03:01:13.000 --> 03:01:16.479
in many jurisdictions, the testimony still
remains. Depositions don't typically work like

2384
03:01:16.639 --> 03:01:20.159
that, though, so in my
opinion. It's largely a bad habit that

2385
03:01:20.280 --> 03:01:24.239
some lawyers have to try and reset
and rephrase a question and reflects in experience.

2386
03:01:24.319 --> 03:01:26.159
Okay, so yeah, we were
wondering why in a deposition setting where

2387
03:01:26.159 --> 03:01:30.040
you're not like talking in front of
a jury, does it matter to have

2388
03:01:30.120 --> 03:01:31.159
things struck from the record. It's
like, no one's here, right,

2389
03:01:31.559 --> 03:01:35.879
right, But he's just saying it's
sort of like a knee jerk reaction.

2390
03:01:35.840 --> 03:01:39.639
Nick writes, the further I get
into these transcripts, the more interesting and

2391
03:01:39.680 --> 03:01:41.399
insight it is into Hogan and the
way his head works. The lapsed togan

2392
03:01:41.479 --> 03:01:46.479
paranoia is so evident through the first
three parts of the deposition and his head.

2393
03:01:46.600 --> 03:01:48.280
He sat with his back against the
wall, and he will not acknowledge

2394
03:01:48.280 --> 03:01:50.879
a single thing if he thinks he
can get legally rolled up from it.

2395
03:01:52.280 --> 03:01:54.920
On the flip side of that,
you cannot get enough detail about him.

2396
03:01:54.799 --> 03:02:00.440
That is true, It is true, Neil writes. The truth is all

2397
03:02:00.719 --> 03:02:03.159
yeah, like Hogan has like this
guy all of like a guy who can

2398
03:02:03.319 --> 03:02:09.040
sort of make you think he's just
this clown, right, and it suits

2399
03:02:09.079 --> 03:02:15.040
his purposes. Yes, he doesn't
hesitate to play no, nor should,

2400
03:02:15.079 --> 03:02:18.120
he writes, The truth is also
much more depressing. Vince knew Hulk was

2401
03:02:18.159 --> 03:02:20.399
hard up for money, so he
failed to could buy his trademarks. This

2402
03:02:20.520 --> 03:02:22.680
is, you know, when Vince
was trying to hire Hogan before he went

2403
03:02:22.719 --> 03:02:26.719
to t NA and to the John
C Program, the twenty five year contract,

2404
03:02:26.719 --> 03:02:28.319
all that stuff we talked about her
at least Hulk Hogan talked about in

2405
03:02:28.399 --> 03:02:33.360
his deposition. He knew Hulk was
hard up for money, so he failed

2406
03:02:33.399 --> 03:02:35.559
to could buy his trademarks at a
reasonable price. Hulk tried to parlay it

2407
03:02:35.600 --> 03:02:39.239
into a few big money matches,
and Vince wasn't interested in that, so

2408
03:02:39.360 --> 03:02:41.239
he strung him along a bit until
both sides quit. While this was going

2409
03:02:41.319 --> 03:02:43.879
on, Hulk was looking for the
shadiest doctor who would get him ready for

2410
03:02:43.920 --> 03:02:48.280
the ring. But he got more
than he bargained for. But yep,

2411
03:02:48.600 --> 03:02:52.120
I like this line of reasoning.
But he has constructed this very elaborate reality

2412
03:02:52.159 --> 03:02:56.760
where he is negotiating one hundred million
dollars deal with WWE and is still at

2413
03:02:56.799 --> 03:03:00.000
the peak of his commercial appeal.
It's so weird because who is he trying

2414
03:03:00.159 --> 03:03:01.879
to impress with all this. I
know this isn't a public setting. It

2415
03:03:01.959 --> 03:03:05.200
goes way beyond trying to play up
how much money he lost due to health

2416
03:03:05.239 --> 03:03:07.920
issues and into that fantasy world Hogan
lives in for most of his life.

2417
03:03:09.040 --> 03:03:11.639
Yeah. I always assumed he just
was doing that because he was trying to

2418
03:03:11.760 --> 03:03:13.959
drive up the argument he could make
of how much money he lost out on

2419
03:03:15.079 --> 03:03:18.639
because of how that his back was
treated. But but I suppose he does

2420
03:03:18.719 --> 03:03:22.959
go kind of further than that and
sort of like he it is just kind

2421
03:03:22.959 --> 03:03:26.920
of weird. I agree with that
at grand Dies. It's very odd.

2422
03:03:26.040 --> 03:03:33.680
No one right, you know,
it's uh, there's a complicated thing with

2423
03:03:33.760 --> 03:03:37.120
him and Vince. I sort of, at first glance, I didn't think

2424
03:03:37.159 --> 03:03:41.040
of it as Hogan trying to get
the Scena match out of Vince because Vince

2425
03:03:41.120 --> 03:03:43.920
wants something else. I kind of
I kind of at first glance read at

2426
03:03:43.959 --> 03:03:46.719
his Vince coming to Hogan with the
Scena match. Yeah, but if you

2427
03:03:46.799 --> 03:03:50.159
flip it, I can kind of
see that it was Hogan that actually was

2428
03:03:50.239 --> 03:03:52.559
pushing wrestling John Cena, because I
don't think Vince's heart of hearts he had

2429
03:03:52.600 --> 03:03:58.760
any interest in Hulk wrestling in the
ring. And I agree, I think

2430
03:03:58.799 --> 03:04:01.559
hadn't I already had their scarre with
Jerry Lawler's heart attack and Ricky Steamboat having

2431
03:04:01.559 --> 03:04:07.719
a stroke that I don't know that
happened yet. Maybe that hadn't happened yet.

2432
03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:11.280
Well, now the steamboat thing happened, and um, he just talked

2433
03:04:11.319 --> 03:04:15.319
about I know we did talk about
it. I think we talked about it

2434
03:04:15.360 --> 03:04:18.920
when we probably did his his Colosseum
video. Oh yeah, most certainly we

2435
03:04:20.000 --> 03:04:22.799
did. I feel like there's a
chance we even talked about it after that.

2436
03:04:22.920 --> 03:04:31.600
Let's see, when did we steamboat
of a stroke twenty ten? Yeah,

2437
03:04:33.440 --> 03:04:35.520
yeah, there's no way. There's
no way they would have put Hogan

2438
03:04:35.559 --> 03:04:37.559
in the ring after that happened,
because that was the line in the sand

2439
03:04:39.000 --> 03:04:41.399
where they were like, okay,
we can still use legends, but we're

2440
03:04:41.399 --> 03:04:43.479
not going to put them in physical
angles. Right you think a warrior.

2441
03:04:43.559 --> 03:04:46.639
I mean he ran down there,
he shook the ropes, he was sucking

2442
03:04:46.719 --> 03:04:50.079
win and he had a heart attack
the day after. Right, what if

2443
03:04:50.120 --> 03:04:54.840
he did a physical angle, like
Jesus, he could have lost somebody easily.

2444
03:04:54.319 --> 03:04:58.280
Well, maybe he would have lived. Maybe maybe that's the blood to

2445
03:04:58.360 --> 03:05:03.760
course through the vein or whatever he
said they to day in Nick says,

2446
03:05:03.760 --> 03:05:05.239
on your question of who is trying
to impress. I think the answer is

2447
03:05:05.280 --> 03:05:09.360
twofold. This is Hogan in deposition. Hogan is trying to prove to himself

2448
03:05:09.440 --> 03:05:11.120
that he's still got it as a
name and a draw and still has that

2449
03:05:11.239 --> 03:05:15.319
one more big run in him.
Always he's always thinking that, yes,

2450
03:05:15.520 --> 03:05:18.040
it fits into the same category.
He's watching his documentary. He counter the

2451
03:05:18.079 --> 03:05:20.559
negativity he did. He admitted to
watching his documentary over and over again,

2452
03:05:20.799 --> 03:05:26.000
the finding whole Cogan one he needs
to believe again because if he doesn't,

2453
03:05:26.040 --> 03:05:28.000
then in his head he has nothing. And he's also trying to impress everybody.

2454
03:05:28.040 --> 03:05:31.559
The big learning from all these years
of the Lapsed Fan is that all

2455
03:05:31.600 --> 03:05:35.760
wrestlers want is respect and they can't
get it because everyone outside of wrestling thinks

2456
03:05:35.799 --> 03:05:41.559
wrestlers are a joke. Well,
it's like it's this. They all want

2457
03:05:41.680 --> 03:05:48.239
respect, but they're also going to
fuck you over right. They just want

2458
03:05:48.319 --> 03:05:52.440
respect as another way to get money
out of you, right exactly. That's

2459
03:05:52.559 --> 03:05:54.360
why. Yeah, if there's no
payday attached to the respect, they could

2460
03:05:54.360 --> 03:06:00.040
give a fuck exactly. They're gonna
act all like incredulous and or like you

2461
03:06:00.120 --> 03:06:03.760
know, all like sanctimonious about it. When all it really is is them

2462
03:06:03.799 --> 03:06:07.760
trying to protect their marketability, their
perceived market value. And I think that

2463
03:06:07.799 --> 03:06:09.239
what Tenah shows, he writes,
is that the bigger you are in wrestling,

2464
03:06:09.319 --> 03:06:16.559
the more that want increases exponentially,
that want for respect. Yeah it's

2465
03:06:16.559 --> 03:06:18.559
true. Yeah, you tell yourself
you're breaking out of the pack, that

2466
03:06:18.600 --> 03:06:20.200
you're gonna be taking more seriously than
everybody else in the locker room, and

2467
03:06:20.239 --> 03:06:24.360
then you realize, now, for
the most part, everyone still looks at

2468
03:06:24.399 --> 03:06:28.760
you as just a wrestler, like
a joke. Yep, Adam write,

2469
03:06:28.799 --> 03:06:31.280
I came into this thinking that I
would think less of Dixie Carter, maybe

2470
03:06:31.319 --> 03:06:33.319
I've gone soft as I've gotten older, but actually feel sorry for her and

2471
03:06:33.440 --> 03:06:37.360
find many of the other characters encountered
so far in the Teenage Journey, Hogan,

2472
03:06:37.399 --> 03:06:39.959
Bischoff, Bubba much more reprehensible and
stupid. Dixie learned something about this

2473
03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:43.719
carny business that famous actor bad car
driver Matthew Broderick learned in the film War

2474
03:06:43.799 --> 03:06:50.719
Games. The only winning move is
not to play. Oh. War Games

2475
03:06:52.159 --> 03:06:56.559
plays coming soon under the cinemat.
Probably I would imagine it haster, just

2476
03:06:56.600 --> 03:07:01.159
because it was the inspiration in some
sorts to the you know the name.

2477
03:07:01.200 --> 03:07:05.559
At least to the match. Shout
out to John, who says, boys,

2478
03:07:05.559 --> 03:07:07.239
I've got a crew of Mexicans putting
on a roof and siding next to

2479
03:07:07.360 --> 03:07:11.760
me. Then Boss doing Dixie's theme
kicks in. They laughed. Wow,

2480
03:07:13.239 --> 03:07:18.159
I laughed, and a good time
was had by a lass sor. That's

2481
03:07:18.280 --> 03:07:22.040
right about those moments so much.
That's why we do it. Yep,

2482
03:07:22.600 --> 03:07:26.159
Stephen, let's see, he writes
bitsch Off at least once a week on

2483
03:07:26.200 --> 03:07:31.120
his daily morning patrol of Cody definitely
deeply considers using his land for a doomsday

2484
03:07:31.200 --> 03:07:39.280
sex cult with him as the king
of proceedings. It's true, pretty good,

2485
03:07:41.159 --> 03:07:43.840
pretty I can kind of see where
he's going there. He also writes,

2486
03:07:43.879 --> 03:07:46.559
I remember Dixie coming out to greet
the crowd at a Dublin House show

2487
03:07:46.600 --> 03:07:50.680
of this period. What was weirder
and also hilarious about it? Which she

2488
03:07:50.760 --> 03:07:52.799
had somehow got her hands on two
local children who were teeing a super fans

2489
03:07:52.879 --> 03:07:56.719
quote unquote. She asked the little
girl her name, and the girl promptly

2490
03:07:56.760 --> 03:08:01.000
burst into tears. Clearly Dixie had
just bought or kidnapped her from her parents,

2491
03:08:01.280 --> 03:08:05.280
and the little boy in what is
known locally as a flat Dublin accent,

2492
03:08:05.559 --> 03:08:09.200
began telling her his favorite wrestlers,
few of whom were currently signed to

2493
03:08:09.280 --> 03:08:13.079
TNA. Wow, so bizarre.
While this is going on, Dixie desperately

2494
03:08:13.120 --> 03:08:16.040
tried to announce the new channel of
TNA in Ireland, which was met with

2495
03:08:16.159 --> 03:08:22.600
total indifference. He remembers Dixie coming
up to the crowded a Dublin house show.

2496
03:08:24.239 --> 03:08:28.399
Oh my god, the little memories
that this job. I know.

2497
03:08:28.799 --> 03:08:33.440
It's so crazy, Tyler, coming
with Hogan's legacy and coming from you,

2498
03:08:33.600 --> 03:08:43.440
boss mound up deer co chairs.
I must start my thought process with the

2499
03:08:43.479 --> 03:08:50.000
traditional thanks even ever chore made,
every chore made, easy road trip without

2500
03:08:50.079 --> 03:08:56.799
worry and grueling second of works.
Grueling second of work is eased by having

2501
03:08:56.840 --> 03:09:00.920
the lamps fan pumping in my ears
and I rushed to keep you in my

2502
03:09:01.120 --> 03:09:07.639
ass like the butt plug scenes and
everything everywhere I haven't. Wow, Yes,

2503
03:09:07.200 --> 03:09:11.280
that's sucking. That would be a
that'd be a cut that went deep.

2504
03:09:13.159 --> 03:09:16.799
Anxiety and mental fatigue can make a
lot of things hard in this life.

2505
03:09:16.840 --> 03:09:20.760
But when I have your reassuring commentary
like I had on my shoulder,

2506
03:09:20.840 --> 03:09:26.239
I can't be stopped. Much like
every journey tenh is both delightful and haunting,

2507
03:09:26.879 --> 03:09:30.319
But on my previous historical accomplishments,
this one continues to play out in

2508
03:09:30.399 --> 03:09:33.120
front of us, the sad story
of hul Coogan continuing to erase any memories

2509
03:09:33.120 --> 03:09:39.360
of the eighties and nineties glory days
and replace them with a broken down Carney

2510
03:09:39.520 --> 03:09:45.120
politician who with every episode comes off
as even worse than the previous one.

2511
03:09:45.760 --> 03:09:50.200
Dennis Leary once had a bit how
if Elvis had died earlier, we would

2512
03:09:50.200 --> 03:09:54.639
remember him as the young heartthrob,
but instead we think of Elvis as a

2513
03:09:54.719 --> 03:09:58.920
fat, bloated has been who died
taking a shit. Recently, a video

2514
03:10:00.120 --> 03:10:05.079
of indie wrestler Joey Janella performing karaoke
at Hogan's restaurant has been making the rounds,

2515
03:10:05.079 --> 03:10:07.479
and I couldn't force myself to watch
the whole thing, having seen enough.

2516
03:10:07.639 --> 03:10:11.719
With only a minute or so,
Hogan zoned out and wishing he was

2517
03:10:11.799 --> 03:10:18.120
anywhere else. Eating food on a
stage while drunk Florida people performing karaoke in

2518
03:10:18.200 --> 03:10:22.399
front of him is so sad and
depressing. It tells you all you need

2519
03:10:22.479 --> 03:10:30.360
to know about the legacy of Hulk
Hogan. My god vicious yet breakfast chef

2520
03:10:30.520 --> 03:10:33.760
Knobs right there with him, also
failing to pretend like he wants to be

2521
03:10:33.959 --> 03:10:39.520
there, just adds the cherry on
top of a comically sad picture. Every

2522
03:10:39.559 --> 03:10:46.079
new chapter of TNH confirms this is
exactly where where he deserves to be,

2523
03:10:46.559 --> 03:10:50.959
but it still makes me feel some
kind of sadness that most people in twenty

2524
03:10:50.040 --> 03:10:54.319
twenty three will think of this when
they think of Hulk Hogan. It's one

2525
03:10:54.399 --> 03:11:01.799
hundred percent justified, but the childhood
wrestling fan still laments something better for those

2526
03:11:01.399 --> 03:11:09.040
so called heroes of wrestling. Wow
so and then he's good some ps,

2527
03:11:09.159 --> 03:11:16.840
yeah, yeah, ah, it's
amazing Joe Russo, He writes, we

2528
03:11:16.959 --> 03:11:20.559
often blame the demise of wrestling on
WCW going under and leaving only WWE,

2529
03:11:20.680 --> 03:11:22.959
but after listening to Vince Russo on
this episode, the demise of wrestling is

2530
03:11:22.959 --> 03:11:26.200
because of people like him who think
that wrestling is a TV drama and not

2531
03:11:26.280 --> 03:11:31.399
a presentation of combat sports centered around
feuds and championships. He is kind of

2532
03:11:31.440 --> 03:11:35.559
thinking leads to nonsense quote unquote storylines
like who controls a wrestling company? As

2533
03:11:35.680 --> 03:11:39.559
the writer give me a break,
TNA was nothing more than Bischoff and Hogan

2534
03:11:39.639 --> 03:11:43.639
wanting to be on TV again.
Listening to this makes me happy. I

2535
03:11:43.760 --> 03:11:48.479
never got into it. Glad to
be his service once again. Seriously fucking

2536
03:11:48.719 --> 03:11:52.840
sucks. This one spook me out
a little bit. Doctor Whizpip wrote the

2537
03:11:52.920 --> 03:11:56.479
tenah Boulever's Laser Spine series, and
the ten journey scared the crap out of

2538
03:11:56.559 --> 03:11:58.719
me. I've been waiting for almost
a year to get a spinal cord stimulator.

2539
03:12:00.000 --> 03:12:03.159
I had done. Now I hear
how even the almighty hulks Or couldn't

2540
03:12:03.159 --> 03:12:05.360
handle it and how it didn't work
for him brother. The same after as

2541
03:12:05.360 --> 03:12:09.719
I finished Bolaver's Laser Spine, I
received the faithful call that my spinal cord

2542
03:12:09.799 --> 03:12:13.200
stimulator trial surgery has been scheduled from
May. I was a mere mortal like

2543
03:12:13.280 --> 03:12:16.959
me, Doctor whiz Pip supposed to
go under the knife, knowing I don't

2544
03:12:16.959 --> 03:12:20.079
have the power of the millions of
ulkamaniacs behind him. Well, I hope

2545
03:12:20.120 --> 03:12:24.360
it went well first of all,
But spice to say he had like the

2546
03:12:24.440 --> 03:12:28.840
most intense jacked up to two thousand
one. He talked a lot about that,

2547
03:12:28.000 --> 03:12:33.760
so I suppose his experience won't be
everybody's, and he had bad scoliosis

2548
03:12:33.879 --> 03:12:37.239
is sure curved spine, man,
I'm not sure how much stimulation can do

2549
03:12:37.399 --> 03:12:41.959
to him. Ye shout out that
pain Ls writes, So Hogan just refusing

2550
03:12:43.040 --> 03:12:45.399
to say he's wrestling. I wonder
if that has to do with any settlement,

2551
03:12:45.399 --> 03:12:48.200
a potential settlement from leisure Spine or
some kind of insurance. I'm not

2552
03:12:48.239 --> 03:12:50.680
a TENA fan, but it may
turn around with the Unicorn verse STIXI cardon

2553
03:12:50.719 --> 03:12:54.319
maniment. Yeah, we talked about
like why Hogan would always make that distinction

2554
03:12:54.319 --> 03:12:56.079
about I'll fight just staying, but
I won't wrestle yet, right right?

2555
03:12:56.319 --> 03:13:01.079
I think it might also let's just
be the legal sense DeBie Brown laser spine,

2556
03:13:01.120 --> 03:13:03.520
if such a thing existed. It
might also just be that his contract

2557
03:13:03.559 --> 03:13:07.559
said if he were to wrestle a
match, he get paid extras, as

2558
03:13:07.600 --> 03:13:11.479
we learned when he explained why he
left TNA, he said that they came

2559
03:13:11.520 --> 03:13:13.440
to him with a match for Staying
and Bound for Glory, and they weren't

2560
03:13:13.440 --> 03:13:16.280
going to pay him more for it, even though his contract required him.

2561
03:13:18.079 --> 03:13:22.479
Now, I suppose that the earlier
matches he didn't get paid for more,

2562
03:13:22.600 --> 03:13:26.399
like the one with Staying a Bound
for Glory twenty eleven because it wasn't framed

2563
03:13:26.399 --> 03:13:28.399
as a wrestling match, because he
did he did take great care to distinguish

2564
03:13:28.479 --> 03:13:33.959
between the two. The whole laser
spine. He's like, you know this,

2565
03:13:33.200 --> 03:13:37.319
this surgery could get me in there
to do talking as an administrator,

2566
03:13:37.360 --> 03:13:39.760
but I'm not in there doing leg
drops. That's like the line because he

2567
03:13:39.840 --> 03:13:43.680
wants to say that he needed to
be able to do the leg drops to

2568
03:13:43.760 --> 03:13:46.760
collect the John Cino WrestleMania pay Day. He needed to have that level of

2569
03:13:46.840 --> 03:13:50.200
ability to jump around the ring,
and he was cost that opportunity. So

2570
03:13:50.280 --> 03:13:54.879
he has to sort of right,
Yeah, he can't say he was able

2571
03:13:54.920 --> 03:14:00.760
to quote unquote wrestle after the laser
spine treatments, because if if those were

2572
03:14:00.799 --> 03:14:05.600
wrestling matches, then he can wrestle. But he's drawing this. It's almost

2573
03:14:05.600 --> 03:14:07.159
this artificial line in his head.
It's very confusing, But Hogan doesn't say

2574
03:14:07.159 --> 03:14:11.239
anything by mistake. As much as
he might seem like a blabbering person,

2575
03:14:11.319 --> 03:14:15.280
sometimes he really isn't. He always
has some sort of angle to why he

2576
03:14:15.520 --> 03:14:18.520
Oh, I think he's one of
the most calculated people in the whole fucking

2577
03:14:18.600 --> 03:14:22.200
world. Like he'll say these things
like a total non secret or like why

2578
03:14:22.239 --> 03:14:24.239
do you include that detail? And
then you go and you realize that,

2579
03:14:24.399 --> 03:14:26.959
like, oh, there's actually a
backstory that he's trying to counter in his

2580
03:14:28.079 --> 03:14:31.680
mind. Yeah, without telling you
the backstory, but in case you find

2581
03:14:31.719 --> 03:14:35.559
out about it, he's planted the
seat to he's already protects actly. That's

2582
03:14:35.639 --> 03:14:39.559
right, Mike Rights. You can
tell when the bloom comes off the rose

2583
03:14:39.559 --> 03:14:41.879
and regards to Hogan and TNA,
when he stops calling the fans tena maniacs

2584
03:14:41.920 --> 03:14:46.840
and just calls them maniacs. Yes, a lot of people saying Dixie Coter

2585
03:14:46.920 --> 03:14:50.680
sounds like a middle management mom or
a wine mom or a wine on ta

2586
03:14:50.840 --> 03:14:56.840
Oh. Absolutely, I mean that's
pretty much absolutely. Ted She's such a

2587
03:14:56.000 --> 03:15:01.000
fucking idiot. Teddy says, the
lyrics to the wors of Dixie's theme song

2588
03:15:01.120 --> 03:15:03.200
really just speak to me on a
spiritual level. Wow, head and head

2589
03:15:03.200 --> 03:15:07.360
and out and Strudent taught him and
he writes it off Poudent pound and he

2590
03:15:07.879 --> 03:15:20.440
dade lady sneak on boon, dude, he can dood And Matt says,

2591
03:15:20.639 --> 03:15:24.600
JP singing along to Dixie's theme is
an alzheimer. This isn't real time feedback.

2592
03:15:24.639 --> 03:15:26.559
This was just the next mail on
the queue. If you can.

2593
03:15:28.040 --> 03:15:31.559
I want to be surprised, but
I think you know how this journey should

2594
03:15:31.600 --> 03:15:33.159
end. I actually listened to the
whole song and, beyond the immediate community

2595
03:15:33.239 --> 03:15:37.440
value of it, the final versus
absolutely hilarious. It asked the TEENA maniacs

2596
03:15:37.479 --> 03:15:41.639
to have faith in me. Surge
was in charge of Teena's music. Wasn't

2597
03:15:41.680 --> 03:15:43.959
he outstanding? Oh? If that
is what they were building to, they

2598
03:15:45.000 --> 03:15:48.000
might get all okay, And then
he says serious notes, this is the

2599
03:15:48.079 --> 03:15:52.559
only time I've ever felt sympathetic towards
Vince Russo this must be the episode where

2600
03:15:52.600 --> 03:15:56.000
he talked about breaking down. Remember
that. Yeah, yeah, I don't

2601
03:15:56.040 --> 03:15:58.479
buy the nice guy stuff about him. He sucks, but I actually believe

2602
03:15:58.559 --> 03:16:01.239
he was trying to tell an actual
story, and I can completely empathize with

2603
03:16:01.280 --> 03:16:03.239
the stress of working under dudes that
hate you but also fuck him. I'm

2604
03:16:03.280 --> 03:16:07.239
fascinated by the Hogan Rude change.
That is, the Rude winning the title

2605
03:16:07.280 --> 03:16:11.799
A Bound for Glory in twenty eleven. Is it just because if Rude actually

2606
03:16:11.799 --> 03:16:13.680
achieved his thing, the Hogan and
Bischoff would be exposed. Is not moving

2607
03:16:13.719 --> 03:16:16.399
the needle. TNA has a history
of not going with the guy at the

2608
03:16:16.520 --> 03:16:18.639
right time, and they did,
and they do it in this thing with

2609
03:16:18.760 --> 03:16:22.840
Rude and Storm. But I wish
more analysis could be done in the deliberation

2610
03:16:22.920 --> 03:16:26.440
behind that swerve. Bishops avoidance of
the subject suggests something sinister. If it

2611
03:16:26.520 --> 03:16:28.920
was an innocent belief that Rude would
be better suited to being a heel,

2612
03:16:30.200 --> 03:16:33.120
he would have said it. The
pleading of the fifth on Hogan's path suggests

2613
03:16:33.200 --> 03:16:35.799
guilt. Fascinating. Yeah, yeah, that's one that I really wonder about.

2614
03:16:39.079 --> 03:16:48.079
I think it probably I think it
probably came down to Hogan being worried

2615
03:16:48.120 --> 03:16:56.239
that. Yeah, I know if
you can believe that that if Bobby Rude

2616
03:16:56.319 --> 03:17:01.559
was a baby faced champion, he
wouldn't be money and if he was going

2617
03:17:01.600 --> 03:17:03.079
to beat card Angel after the build
they had done for that Bound for Glory,

2618
03:17:03.120 --> 03:17:07.040
he was going to have to be
a baby face and that Hogan just

2619
03:17:07.200 --> 03:17:09.760
saw Rude, and he saw aj
the same way when he took the book

2620
03:17:09.799 --> 03:17:13.239
at the first He's he's much more
geared towards like a suit wearing, charismatic

2621
03:17:13.319 --> 03:17:20.120
heel champion than like a baby face
that overcame all the odds kind of champion.

2622
03:17:20.280 --> 03:17:22.280
I don't think he really even knew
how to book that kind of guy.

2623
03:17:22.440 --> 03:17:24.159
If it wasn't a Hulk Hogan,
that was, you know what I

2624
03:17:24.239 --> 03:17:28.360
mean, slaying giants. I think
that's probably what it was. He just

2625
03:17:28.399 --> 03:17:33.239
couldn't look at Bobby Rude and see
how he would book a company built around

2626
03:17:33.319 --> 03:17:35.799
him as a baby face as the
champion. Adam writes a young son who

2627
03:17:35.840 --> 03:17:41.959
feels held back by his famous Midwestern
wrestling father. He sounds like, I

2628
03:17:41.000 --> 03:17:46.399
don't know, I'm gonna skip that
one. Um blahblah. The love sponge

2629
03:17:46.600 --> 03:17:50.079
Scott Young. Whenever I see that
in the subject line, boss, I

2630
03:17:50.120 --> 03:17:54.600
feel like it's your responsibility to read
it. Don't don't you think? Fuck

2631
03:17:54.680 --> 03:18:03.440
you nice? Uh m hmm,
Good morning, Good morning, co chairs.

2632
03:18:03.799 --> 03:18:07.120
I wanted to share my quick introduction
to the hero of the early teenage

2633
03:18:07.120 --> 03:18:28.280
episode hung Hoy Hoy. Yeah,
I got a heat back, and I'll

2634
03:18:28.319 --> 03:18:33.200
turn the heat. I'm gonna eat
my ship. Now, what is it?

2635
03:18:33.239 --> 03:18:35.959
Winter time? Turning the heat up, turning the heat up, get

2636
03:18:35.040 --> 03:18:37.920
the heat back, put the heat
on, Put the heat on like I'm

2637
03:18:37.959 --> 03:18:41.120
a hotcake. Reverse the heat,
reverse the heat, reverse the heat,

2638
03:18:41.799 --> 03:18:48.799
reverse the heat. Double reverse the
heat doupe quarter pounder with cheese, double

2639
03:18:50.520 --> 03:18:58.479
douller quarter pound with cheese on my
heat hung on stick on the bun stick

2640
03:18:58.520 --> 03:19:00.440
of the doune? Was that the
last one there? Stick at it?

2641
03:19:00.520 --> 03:19:05.040
Done? Yes? Yes? Stick
of it? Don till of the han

2642
03:19:07.159 --> 03:19:13.399
forget the pony havenge. No.
I had only heard of him based on

2643
03:19:13.479 --> 03:19:18.440
a small info I knew about the
Hogan Gawker lawsuit. I don't know what

2644
03:19:18.559 --> 03:19:24.520
this guy looks like, nor do
I want to his name to show No.

2645
03:19:24.719 --> 03:19:28.959
I want his name to show up
in my search history, to see

2646
03:19:28.120 --> 03:19:35.559
what this clown looks like. I'm
a lifelong NASCAR fan, and to subscribe

2647
03:19:35.559 --> 03:19:41.559
the NASCAR podcast for old time driver
interviews, because like the sport of Kings,

2648
03:19:41.719 --> 03:19:45.520
NASCAR used to be better. I
opened my YouTube app and saw a

2649
03:19:46.200 --> 03:19:50.360
video of an interview with NASCAR driver
Tony Stewart. Now, being a NASCAR

2650
03:19:50.479 --> 03:19:54.159
fan and listening to various NASCAR shows, I didn't recognize this guy who was

2651
03:19:54.200 --> 03:19:56.719
interviewing Tony Stewart because Tony Stewart is
one of the biggest names in racing.

2652
03:19:58.239 --> 03:20:03.040
And how did this guy I I've
never seen Lambi's interview. I see his

2653
03:20:03.200 --> 03:20:07.520
user name is Bubba Army, thinking
maybe this is a fan channel for polarizing

2654
03:20:09.520 --> 03:20:13.680
NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace. I watched
the whole ten minute clip thanks, thinking

2655
03:20:13.760 --> 03:20:22.360
his voice sounds familiar, but from
where? But then I feel this pain

2656
03:20:22.559 --> 03:20:33.959
in my stomach. Yes, and
my body involuntarily does Abbada I had been

2657
03:20:35.120 --> 03:20:39.879
violated? Yes, without even knowing, with the fork in the garbage disposal,

2658
03:20:39.040 --> 03:20:43.159
tones of Bubba the love sponge crossing
over into another sport high love.

2659
03:20:45.200 --> 03:20:48.959
Thank you co Chairs for this journey, the journey we didn't know we wanted,

2660
03:20:48.680 --> 03:20:54.680
but that we all needed. I'm
finishing making pancakes for my kids and

2661
03:20:54.879 --> 03:21:00.360
making coffee with you and my ears
and my ass while hearing laps Hogan talking

2662
03:21:00.559 --> 03:21:05.479
to lapsed Brett, slowly working Brett
to not come to the company, all

2663
03:21:05.520 --> 03:21:09.159
the way to trying to get Brett
to jobs within seven minutes of a conversation.

2664
03:21:13.479 --> 03:21:18.200
Jesus, I remember that at all. Thanks you both, and praise

2665
03:21:18.280 --> 03:21:24.959
be to the war Lord. You
very much. Boss um. Let's see

2666
03:21:24.440 --> 03:21:31.600
jefftown Rights. I think this is
such a key part of Dixie and breaking

2667
03:21:31.639 --> 03:21:35.200
her down on the show. The
image of her doing the run walk down

2668
03:21:35.280 --> 03:21:39.120
the ramp precariously balanced on high heels
while trying to display some subblance of authority

2669
03:21:41.479 --> 03:21:46.360
is one spot on. She's just
like totally a fish out of water.

2670
03:21:48.680 --> 03:21:56.719
Rinaldi says, Hohokken speaks like no
other human on Earth. One two X

2671
03:21:56.799 --> 03:22:01.120
points out that hide the ball is
a legal term which means to withhold evidence

2672
03:22:01.159 --> 03:22:05.000
in a trial that may hurt one's
case. Did you know that? No,

2673
03:22:05.520 --> 03:22:09.760
or Hogan lawyer, legally he is
making its way out of television.

2674
03:22:09.120 --> 03:22:13.600
Hide the ball is the same thing
has hide the evidence, and so of

2675
03:22:13.680 --> 03:22:16.559
course his lawyers are talking to him
about how the other side and the four

2676
03:22:16.639 --> 03:22:22.280
thousand lawsuits he's involved in are hide
in the ball and we have to sit

2677
03:22:22.360 --> 03:22:24.200
there and not along. As he
says it on Impact, like it means

2678
03:22:24.200 --> 03:22:28.879
anything to wrestling fans, Ryan writes, one of the big problems with Aces

2679
03:22:28.920 --> 03:22:31.479
and Eights is that right after it
really got started, w W decided to

2680
03:22:31.520 --> 03:22:35.559
do like the only real good invasion
angle they've ever done, and it's literally

2681
03:22:35.600 --> 03:22:37.719
the exact opposite of everything Aces and
Eates did, except for being cool guys

2682
03:22:37.760 --> 03:22:43.319
in dark clothes. I think he's
talking about Nexus, right, I don't

2683
03:22:43.719 --> 03:22:48.920
know. Daniel Brian choked justin Robert, I think it sincerely has its moments.

2684
03:22:48.920 --> 03:22:52.440
But Aces and eights is like ten
old dudes from WB and a bunch

2685
03:22:52.440 --> 03:22:54.879
of dinghis wrestlers kids with a convoluted
biker gimmick thing and a whole bunch of

2686
03:22:54.920 --> 03:22:58.799
pomp and circumstances and take forever to
start wrestling, and I've underwhelming matches when

2687
03:22:58.840 --> 03:23:03.479
they do versus the Shield maybe means
the Shield who are three guys young upstarts

2688
03:23:03.520 --> 03:23:07.959
from the developmental company who beat everyone
in kick ass, YEP and dope six

2689
03:23:07.040 --> 03:23:11.079
man tags exactly like the radicals,
Like, if you're gonna be an invading

2690
03:23:11.120 --> 03:23:15.479
force, you have to come in
and kill kill it in multiple man tasks.

2691
03:23:16.920 --> 03:23:18.639
That's the thing the local force tries
to do. They try to harness

2692
03:23:18.719 --> 03:23:24.399
their best troops to take you on
and group warfare. If you can't have

2693
03:23:24.479 --> 03:23:26.399
great eight and ten man tags,
you're not a good faction in pro wrestling.

2694
03:23:26.559 --> 03:23:31.079
Hard stop like his wrestling ever going
to figure out that invasion angles only

2695
03:23:31.120 --> 03:23:33.520
work, he writes, when it's
like three to four guys who really give

2696
03:23:33.520 --> 03:23:37.239
a shit and have a reason to
be all shitty and annoyed, and also

2697
03:23:37.319 --> 03:23:39.719
they rule and wrestle good matches all
the time. This doesn't feel different.

2698
03:23:41.040 --> 03:23:45.319
Yeah yeah. Sometimes ability to have
a great match is like lowest on the

2699
03:23:45.399 --> 03:23:50.239
list to these motherfuckers, and then
they wonder why it doesn't work. Remember

2700
03:23:50.280 --> 03:23:54.120
you're talking about how one of the
parties involved in holkog and sex tape also

2701
03:23:54.200 --> 03:23:58.239
was involved in squashing a Kanye West
sex tape. Boss Yeah. Zach from

2702
03:23:58.239 --> 03:24:01.079
Australia writes, Hey, guys,
on a recent teenage episode two twelve part

2703
03:24:01.120 --> 03:24:05.040
one, you stumbled upon a lawyer
claiming to have helped to block the release

2704
03:24:05.079 --> 03:24:07.479
of a Kanye West sex tape,
putting two and two together. I think

2705
03:24:07.479 --> 03:24:09.479
that's the same incident Connie referred to
it is two thousand and sixteen track Real

2706
03:24:09.559 --> 03:24:13.159
Friends, Jack May. Recalling the
song, he mentions a cousin of his

2707
03:24:13.280 --> 03:24:16.639
that stole a laptop that I was
fucking bitches on, saying he paid two

2708
03:24:16.760 --> 03:24:20.120
hundred and fifty thousand dollars to get
it back. Oh Jesus, Hunter Biden

2709
03:24:20.159 --> 03:24:24.159
didn't have two hundred fifty thousand dollars. I think there's a fair chance this

2710
03:24:24.319 --> 03:24:26.639
is all the same incident, or
if this has already been brought to your

2711
03:24:26.639 --> 03:24:31.360
attention, now that's a good one. I didn't know. I probably heard

2712
03:24:31.360 --> 03:24:33.520
that song, but I don't remember
that lyrics, so that's probably exactly what

2713
03:24:33.639 --> 03:24:37.079
he's talking about. Devin writes,
my friends and my friends and I drove

2714
03:24:37.159 --> 03:24:39.559
four hours to a TNA house show
and far ago around this time, Devon

2715
03:24:39.680 --> 03:24:43.040
was in full Aces and Aids mode, and we chanted aces and aids and

2716
03:24:43.159 --> 03:24:46.760
they stopped wrestling and looked over at
us and said, what the fuck?

2717
03:24:46.840 --> 03:24:50.559
We paid extra to meet RVD.
It was part of a deal where they'd

2718
03:24:50.639 --> 03:24:54.200
give you an autographed RVD sting two
pack of figures. He didn't even wrestle

2719
03:24:54.280 --> 03:24:58.479
that night. TNA and Fargo.
Jesus, that's a dark place to be,

2720
03:25:00.280 --> 03:25:03.760
I say. Doctor Whizpip says,
I slipped into hoganisms today while talking

2721
03:25:03.799 --> 03:25:05.120
with my wife. She asked if
I was intending to go out today.

2722
03:25:05.200 --> 03:25:09.200
I told her I'm going out and
about to hide the ball to kick the

2723
03:25:09.360 --> 03:25:13.840
chair play Marco Polo. She walked
out of the room while I was in

2724
03:25:13.920 --> 03:25:18.719
mid sentence. Brothers, I was
smart of her. Adam writes, Hoganisms

2725
03:25:18.719 --> 03:25:20.920
in life. There perhaps was a
time before hoganisms, but my brain does

2726
03:25:22.000 --> 03:25:24.479
not remember it. Every suspicious gaze
by a bystander results and who you've been

2727
03:25:24.520 --> 03:25:28.200
talking to? Dude, echoing in
my mind, this is the new way,

2728
03:25:30.440 --> 03:25:33.079
James. I mean, I agree
with that, Doc Holliday and dead

2729
03:25:33.120 --> 03:25:35.959
Man's Hand. Oh yeah, he's
talking about as wild Bill. Who is

2730
03:25:37.040 --> 03:25:41.399
the dead Man's hand? Eric Adam
writes in the same ven as Jack and

2731
03:25:41.440 --> 03:25:46.680
JP's in ill regular movies with weird
data ask endings. The last impact of

2732
03:25:46.719 --> 03:25:50.200
the Ace's Nate storyline concludes with a
new heart style reveal of the Universal Security

2733
03:25:50.239 --> 03:25:54.559
Guard waking up in his lazy Boy. This is an imagined scenario, of

2734
03:25:54.639 --> 03:25:58.840
course, chip debris all over his
shirt Red Sox game on TV drool dropping

2735
03:26:00.000 --> 03:26:03.520
down as jowels the whole laces in
Eate storyline had been a dream, if

2736
03:26:03.600 --> 03:26:07.879
only with sleep still in his eyes. The fat tired man stands and goes

2737
03:26:07.920 --> 03:26:11.719
into a full heartfelt rendition of being
alive from company. Then his house explodes.

2738
03:26:13.000 --> 03:26:24.920
Roll credits being alarm me from two
He continues to write from two hours

2739
03:26:26.040 --> 03:26:28.680
five minutes to about two hours ten
minutes. This is what happens on this

2740
03:26:28.760 --> 03:26:33.399
episode. Bullies subtly reveals he's from
Waltham, Massachusetts. Oh my god,

2741
03:26:33.879 --> 03:26:41.040
Hogan fully acknowledges that human sexuality is
on a spectrum, ponders sucking bullies cock,

2742
03:26:43.040 --> 03:26:50.520
then admits this to his daughter.
Are you gonna put your cog get

2743
03:26:50.559 --> 03:26:54.079
in my mouth? Dude? You
put the cock in my mouth? Dude?

2744
03:26:54.600 --> 03:26:56.760
He says it like you do it
like if you I mean, I'm

2745
03:26:56.799 --> 03:27:01.639
not not gonna do it. You
can do it. Surreal, beautiful shit.

2746
03:27:01.680 --> 03:27:05.040
Adam writes why TLF exists, it's
a fun one. We found a

2747
03:27:05.079 --> 03:27:09.559
lot of ways to cope, didn't
we? Yes, we did. Jason

2748
03:27:09.600 --> 03:27:11.799
writes, of all the things to
take minswick Man's tone of booking corks storylines

2749
03:27:11.799 --> 03:27:18.000
about your daughter wanting to be railed, getting railed, and engaging for more

2750
03:27:18.159 --> 03:27:26.239
railing all our daddy watches is a
weird one to choose. Oh my god,

2751
03:27:30.319 --> 03:27:35.399
it's almost Stephanie, as if I
personally deflowered you. Remember when she

2752
03:27:35.559 --> 03:27:41.000
was crying because remember when I remember
I had flowered you. Remember when I

2753
03:27:41.159 --> 03:27:46.520
fornicated with my own daughter, not
you with my own daughter, He says,

2754
03:27:48.239 --> 03:27:50.399
Remember when she was like crying because
she said he you would pimper out

2755
03:27:50.479 --> 03:27:54.959
to his business associates on that SmackDown, what the fuck is wrong? With

2756
03:27:54.040 --> 03:28:00.440
this guy. Seriously, what kind
of did what kind of psychosis is on

2757
03:28:00.600 --> 03:28:13.200
display here? I guess the former
Cruise aweight champion temping paint easy. You

2758
03:28:13.280 --> 03:28:15.879
know, it's funny you say that. You know how a lot of the

2759
03:28:15.920 --> 03:28:20.280
TikTok videos now like you can just
like put the text and they'll have a

2760
03:28:20.399 --> 03:28:24.159
robotic voice read it. Yeah.
I pranked my sister like that kind of

2761
03:28:24.280 --> 03:28:28.719
voice. I did that. I
did that voice for um Chroma Slam laid

2762
03:28:28.760 --> 03:28:33.719
down the Omelets Knobs, Omelets knobs
Brother what brother dude? That thing which

2763
03:28:33.760 --> 03:28:39.840
I'll never forget, a master mix
and this is it on TikTok, put

2764
03:28:39.879 --> 03:28:46.280
through an AI voice generator. Omelets
Knobs, Omelets knobs brother What brother Dude.

2765
03:28:50.879 --> 03:28:54.799
Rob writes It's amazing how Bischoff's failures
always seemed to be because of unforeseen

2766
03:28:54.920 --> 03:28:58.000
changes to the industries he's trying to
get involved in, and not the fact

2767
03:28:58.040 --> 03:29:01.399
that he has no fucking idea what
he's getting into. Like if the Hogan

2768
03:29:01.440 --> 03:29:03.040
slot machine or whatever it had taken
off, it would have been just another

2769
03:29:03.079 --> 03:29:07.000
one of those things. But he
talks like it's something that would have revolutionized

2770
03:29:07.040 --> 03:29:09.360
gambling as we know it. Well, Yeah, you gotta hype your product,

2771
03:29:09.440 --> 03:29:13.920
but I guess it just has bad
luck. I guess, Mike says,

2772
03:29:13.040 --> 03:29:16.000
lll at Brook saying Vince McMahon was
at her house every day. By

2773
03:29:16.040 --> 03:29:18.520
the time Brooke was born in nineteen
eighty eight, Hogan was in and out

2774
03:29:18.559 --> 03:29:22.559
all the time making movies. When
Hogan took his year long hiatus in March

2775
03:29:22.600 --> 03:29:24.719
and ninety two, Brook was only
three years old. Yeah, that was

2776
03:29:24.879 --> 03:29:28.040
definitely the intended comedy of reading that
article, Philip Rights, I think a

2777
03:29:28.120 --> 03:29:31.159
major issue is assuming that anyone in
Europe gave a flying shit about Hogan,

2778
03:29:31.239 --> 03:29:35.239
Hasselhoff and Rodman in his two thousand
tens. Needless to say, he found

2779
03:29:35.239 --> 03:29:37.520
out the truth at great personal cost. This would explain why he's essentially Conrad

2780
03:29:37.600 --> 03:29:45.239
Thompson brother brother Jason says, Yes, this has for me exposed Bischoff as

2781
03:29:45.280 --> 03:29:48.559
a basic boring guy out. Yes, Zach writes, and one thing you

2782
03:29:48.600 --> 03:29:52.040
always have to give the coach heirs
is they will risk it all even if

2783
03:29:52.079 --> 03:29:54.760
they lose. It's the only way
they can hold their heads up. Eye

2784
03:29:56.280 --> 03:29:58.159
say that again, Haul Cogan.
What if Hogan actually did end up playing

2785
03:29:58.159 --> 03:30:01.760
in Antallica, I'm not here to
play kill them all. Dude, I'm

2786
03:30:01.799 --> 03:30:07.879
not going to ride the lightning.
Brother, Dude, I'm I'm I'm war

2787
03:30:09.239 --> 03:30:13.760
it has to feel like pain.
Brother Chris writes Dixie singing, I only

2788
03:30:13.840 --> 03:30:16.799
realized in the most recent episode that
Dixie sings her theme tune? Is that

2789
03:30:16.879 --> 03:30:18.319
true? Is that her voice?
I don't know. I don't think so.

2790
03:30:18.520 --> 03:30:22.120
I don't know, I don't think
so. Were there? Yeah,

2791
03:30:22.159 --> 03:30:26.159
I saved that email because I intended
to put that out to the people thing.

2792
03:30:26.280 --> 03:30:28.200
I don't think that's true. I
think it's somebody else singing that.

2793
03:30:28.319 --> 03:30:33.319
But it sounds like Goldilocks to me. It sounds like something like well,

2794
03:30:33.479 --> 03:30:35.879
like a rocker who ended up working
in TNA, like Lendia Eric something.

2795
03:30:37.479 --> 03:30:39.799
Ronaldi has a question for you,
boss, What do we think it would

2796
03:30:39.799 --> 03:30:43.360
cost for the coach here is to
do an n Watna era journey? No

2797
03:30:43.840 --> 03:30:50.639
order to cost uh two million dollars
yep two million. That sounds like a

2798
03:30:50.680 --> 03:30:58.680
fair price, yep. Bully raised, George Costanza, Paul rines that make

2799
03:30:58.760 --> 03:31:05.200
Hogan, Frank Costanza j W.
Rights. I'd share snaps with Dixie.

2800
03:31:05.479 --> 03:31:13.159
No way, she isn't bombing.
What's that? Bully is getting upset Why

2801
03:31:13.200 --> 03:31:20.520
would that be I cheer what George
says. J W says, I'd cheer

2802
03:31:20.559 --> 03:31:24.079
snaps with Dixie. No way,
she isn't bombing her family with tedious videos

2803
03:31:24.159 --> 03:31:28.239
five times a day. I know
she's such a tweeter. Oh you know,

2804
03:31:28.479 --> 03:31:33.520
yes, she's text her and all
that. Ah ah. Jeff writes,

2805
03:31:33.559 --> 03:31:35.719
today, I learned Tommy Dreamers.
You know, she's also like a

2806
03:31:35.799 --> 03:31:43.760
fucking like felloel oh, you know, fucking OMG type person. She made

2807
03:31:43.799 --> 03:31:46.719
sour dough bread during COVID. She
she wants to be hip to all the

2808
03:31:46.920 --> 03:31:54.840
lingo she wants to be part of, like the digital town Square. It's

2809
03:31:54.840 --> 03:32:01.280
just nauseating. Just just go away. She wants to um. She wants

2810
03:32:01.319 --> 03:32:07.040
an omni channel shopping experience like when
when when like clothing retailers talk about like

2811
03:32:07.120 --> 03:32:11.399
what customers expect. She's the actual
person they're thinking of, somebody who actually

2812
03:32:11.520 --> 03:32:18.959
is casts a critical eye towards a
retail experience, so final, I just

2813
03:32:20.000 --> 03:32:22.440
don't at least saddled her with that
with no evidence. It's such a fucking

2814
03:32:24.879 --> 03:32:28.000
swamp. Jeff goes, today,
I learned Tommy Dreamer is apparently my wife's

2815
03:32:28.079 --> 03:32:33.280
uncle, based in your story of
his failed children, and you basically described

2816
03:32:33.319 --> 03:32:39.719
all of the missus neighbors in Parma, Ohio as well. Chris mentions,

2817
03:32:39.920 --> 03:32:43.559
gentlemen, biker gimmick's gone bad.
You were correct that the aces Neate storyline

2818
03:32:43.559 --> 03:32:46.920
shows that biker gimmicks don't work in
wrestling. Your discussion about it during teenage

2819
03:32:46.959 --> 03:32:50.040
reminded me of a story from the
Awa episode of Tales from the Territories.

2820
03:32:50.239 --> 03:32:54.440
The story is about a tag team
named the Chain Gang that god I ambushed

2821
03:32:54.440 --> 03:32:58.479
by bikers at a bar called Village
In in Rochester, Wisconsin in nineteen sixty

2822
03:32:58.559 --> 03:33:01.440
nine after a show. I've clipped
the article from the Racing Journal Times the

2823
03:33:01.479 --> 03:33:03.600
image below this message. It was
nice to the bartender at the tavern to

2824
03:33:03.680 --> 03:33:07.000
keep kafabe for the actual bikers.
Yeah, that was That was a hell

2825
03:33:07.000 --> 03:33:11.799
of a story. That was um
what was his name, Chris um Um?

2826
03:33:11.520 --> 03:33:16.239
Chris Chris Chris colt Um? Who
was Um? I think he was

2827
03:33:16.639 --> 03:33:24.079
like a drag that guy like out
of the ring, Okay and he um

2828
03:33:24.959 --> 03:33:28.959
they were they were playing these these
bikers on television. You know how Bischoff

2829
03:33:28.000 --> 03:33:33.319
was very sort of like careful to
not calm gangs. When you talk about

2830
03:33:33.319 --> 03:33:35.520
it on the odd Yes, yeah, it's just like that's what happens.

2831
03:33:37.040 --> 03:33:41.760
You know. These guys like if
they think you'll portraying them in a negative

2832
03:33:41.840 --> 03:33:43.280
light on television, they'll fucking beat
your ass. And that's what happened to

2833
03:33:43.360 --> 03:33:48.799
the Chain Gang, and that that
gimmick disappeared very quickly after I presumably the

2834
03:33:48.840 --> 03:33:52.840
Hell's Angels snaps and pool cues over
their heads in a bar fight. Really.

2835
03:33:52.920 --> 03:33:56.079
Oh yeah, that's the old school
business Christian Hollis story. As Nates

2836
03:33:56.280 --> 03:34:00.799
Mcmanhelmsley regime re ducts. Do you
have what it takes? Boss? Oh

2837
03:34:00.920 --> 03:34:05.159
boy, here we go, coach
airs. First of all, I want

2838
03:34:05.200 --> 03:34:09.000
to salute you both for what you
have done, once again and adding yet

2839
03:34:09.040 --> 03:34:13.000
another layer to the cannon of Lapstone
with ten, because at the end of

2840
03:34:13.040 --> 03:34:18.239
the day, when every other podcast
is done playing hide the ball and looking

2841
03:34:18.280 --> 03:34:20.719
to double biz their ratings and get
their shows back on track, we all

2842
03:34:20.799 --> 03:34:24.920
know that T will serve as the
primary source of reference on how to correctly

2843
03:34:26.920 --> 03:34:31.879
and accurately deliver the truth, the
true records and accounts of the Empire,

2844
03:34:31.959 --> 03:34:35.799
a fictitious Olympic like grappling exhibitions.
But what I want to do is just

2845
03:34:37.120 --> 03:34:43.479
dial this thing back in and present
an argument as to why I feel Aces

2846
03:34:43.479 --> 03:34:46.040
and Eights, and particularly the Hogan
Brook bully storyline, was nothing more than

2847
03:34:46.159 --> 03:34:54.079
just a McMahon Helmsley regime re ducks
and why because of this it sucked so

2848
03:34:54.639 --> 03:34:58.399
much. Allow me to take you
back to the fall of nineteen ninety nine.

2849
03:35:00.159 --> 03:35:05.520
Triple H Partdieux had just captured and
lost his first w title. Austin

2850
03:35:05.680 --> 03:35:09.719
was on the shelf after having been
run over backstage at the No Mercy pay

2851
03:35:09.719 --> 03:35:15.159
per view by a damn s ob. Meanwhile, a young and spry Stephanie

2852
03:35:15.239 --> 03:35:18.639
McMahon, fresh from having been duped
by her own father and brother in the

2853
03:35:18.760 --> 03:35:24.479
ill fated Ministry of Darkness angle during
the spring and summer of nineteen ninety nine,

2854
03:35:24.959 --> 03:35:28.920
was in a storyline romance with Tests. On the November twenty nine nine

2855
03:35:30.239 --> 03:35:35.040
Rod, Stephanie was set to marry
Test. As virtually every wrestling wedding storyline

2856
03:35:35.120 --> 03:35:41.399
goes chaos ensued with Triple H revealing
himself to have drugged and possibly sexually assaulted

2857
03:35:41.479 --> 03:35:48.840
Stephanie, swooping in and marrying her
instead. Fast forwarding a few weeks later

2858
03:35:50.000 --> 03:35:52.360
to the Armageddon pay per View,
where Triple H and Vince had their no

2859
03:35:52.559 --> 03:35:56.719
holds Barred Falls count Anywhere match.
Stephanie turns on her father, siding with

2860
03:35:56.840 --> 03:36:03.360
her new husband and officially ushering in
the McMahon Helmsley era. The next night,

2861
03:36:03.399 --> 03:36:07.559
on Ross, Stephany cuts a rather
believable promo about why she did it.

2862
03:36:09.719 --> 03:36:13.360
Quote, you know, I have
to admit I used to get butterflies

2863
03:36:13.360 --> 03:36:16.399
when Triple H would look at me. I didn't want to, I didn't

2864
03:36:16.479 --> 03:36:20.840
really mean to, but just the
way he would stand up to you.

2865
03:36:22.879 --> 03:36:26.000
He was so strong and powerful,
and he outsmarted you by making business personal.

2866
03:36:26.440 --> 03:36:31.360
And that's something you know all about, Dad. Isn't it making business

2867
03:36:31.479 --> 03:36:35.239
personal? Oh you look confused,
like you don't remember. I guess it's

2868
03:36:35.280 --> 03:36:39.000
been a long time. It's almost
been a year since you had me abducted.

2869
03:36:41.120 --> 03:36:46.280
You had me locked in a rat
infestment basement with no light. I

2870
03:36:46.399 --> 03:36:48.559
thought no one was coming from me. You put me there, You put

2871
03:36:48.680 --> 03:36:54.159
me there. You get the point
In the ensuing months at we could have

2872
03:36:54.840 --> 03:37:01.200
would have Triple H and Vince engaging
in a blood feud, with Vince inexplicitly

2873
03:37:01.239 --> 03:37:05.799
and stupidly helping Triple H beat the
Rock at the Mains two thousand. Soon

2874
03:37:05.000 --> 03:37:11.000
DX reformed with Tory Remember her,
she was such a Yes, she was

2875
03:37:11.120 --> 03:37:18.840
a thing. Oh yeah, Tor
the Sable Double Yes, Oh my god

2876
03:37:18.959 --> 03:37:22.920
was her last name. Tory Power, Terry Power was her wrestling name,

2877
03:37:24.000 --> 03:37:26.319
Yeah, and would be the ones
to take most of the losses against the

2878
03:37:26.399 --> 03:37:31.879
APA, Jericho or whoever else was
feuding with the Triple H and company.

2879
03:37:31.319 --> 03:37:37.799
This went on until Austin was ready
to come back on the company swiftly pivoted

2880
03:37:37.239 --> 03:37:43.760
away from the McMahon Helmsley DX era. So let's compare Aces and Eights with

2881
03:37:43.879 --> 03:37:48.120
the above breakdown. In my opinion, Aces and Eights was Tena's attempt to

2882
03:37:48.280 --> 03:37:52.479
rehash a money storyline from over a
decade prior in another company, but they

2883
03:37:52.559 --> 03:37:58.239
did it backwards and with the most
nonbelievable cavalcade of goons imaginable. The money

2884
03:37:58.319 --> 03:38:01.959
angle to the McMahon Triple A storyline
was at the beginning, not the end,

2885
03:38:03.440 --> 03:38:05.360
whereas the angle for Hogan and Bully
was at the end, not the

2886
03:38:05.479 --> 03:38:09.319
beginning. Also, in the case
of Triple H, he had already won

2887
03:38:09.360 --> 03:38:13.040
the WB title, although he wasn't
champ when the story unfolded, and He

2888
03:38:13.159 --> 03:38:18.639
wasn't yet at the upper crust of
the top just yet. That wouldn't happen

2889
03:38:18.719 --> 03:38:22.680
until that epic match with the Cactus
Jack at the two thousand and Royal Rumble

2890
03:38:22.760 --> 03:38:26.920
for Bully, he wasn't anywhere near
the level of Triple H was in the

2891
03:38:26.959 --> 03:38:28.639
fall of nineteen ninety nine, let
alone Triple H at the start of two

2892
03:38:28.680 --> 03:38:33.440
thousand plus. And this cannot be
overstated. Hogan is not Vince McMahon.

2893
03:38:35.280 --> 03:38:39.120
You can't tell me, however,
that you're right that Hogan didn't swipe his

2894
03:38:39.200 --> 03:38:41.520
stash and think to himself, you
know, brother, dude, you know

2895
03:38:41.600 --> 03:38:45.559
what if I be the Vince in
this storyline, and Brooke Teeney is Stephanie?

2896
03:38:46.360 --> 03:38:50.040
What go back and look at the
facial expressions of Vincent's when Stephanie goes

2897
03:38:50.079 --> 03:38:54.159
in on her dad and tell me
you don't see a character who does who

2898
03:38:54.239 --> 03:39:00.840
looked it does look truly disappointed and
called out Hogan. J did this Hogan

2899
03:39:00.959 --> 03:39:05.399
thing? Yes, Moreover, at
least there was a long term payoff with

2900
03:39:05.479 --> 03:39:09.680
Triple H and Stephanie. Sure,
Triple H wanted the title, but he

2901
03:39:09.799 --> 03:39:13.559
never played hide the ball brother.
He made his intentions known long before the

2902
03:39:13.600 --> 03:39:18.639
storyline developed. The Hogan Bully thing
was this strange, dry, boring,

2903
03:39:18.719 --> 03:39:24.760
and stupidly convoluted mess which only lasted
a week or two and offered nothing of

2904
03:39:24.920 --> 03:39:30.040
substance in the aftermath. And I
get it. Hogan couldn't go in the

2905
03:39:30.159 --> 03:39:33.040
ring anymore, which brings up my
next point. If he couldn't go in

2906
03:39:33.120 --> 03:39:39.840
the ring, why the fuck was
he always in the ring? Okay,

2907
03:39:39.920 --> 03:39:43.879
so the whole Aces and Eights thing
DX fit in with the mcmanh Helmsy regime

2908
03:39:43.920 --> 03:39:48.799
because Triple H's history with the group
Bully had less than zero history within of

2909
03:39:48.799 --> 03:39:52.440
the members of Vases and Eights.
And yet here's the main event guy who

2910
03:39:52.559 --> 03:39:58.639
married the GM's daughter only to get
a title shot. Make it make sense?

2911
03:39:58.920 --> 03:40:01.760
Yes, And I know Aces and
Eights is more nWo than DX,

2912
03:40:01.840 --> 03:40:05.639
but the nWo never had a stupid
marriage angle. And the sad part about

2913
03:40:05.680 --> 03:40:09.840
all of this is that Aces and
Eights was the main storyline of the company.

2914
03:40:11.479 --> 03:40:15.000
DX was never the main storyline of
the company at any point in its

2915
03:40:15.079 --> 03:40:20.280
post Sean storyline Sean of Michael's existence. Rather, yet here was Aces and

2916
03:40:20.360 --> 03:40:24.159
eight serving as the key cog in
the wheels of a company of a company

2917
03:40:24.280 --> 03:40:30.760
story, which arc which was meant
to drive fan interest week after week and

2918
03:40:30.920 --> 03:40:37.280
month after month. By the time
Bully was revealed and his reasons explained,

2919
03:40:37.360 --> 03:40:41.719
it made less than zero sense.
By the time Triple Late revealed he married

2920
03:40:41.760 --> 03:40:45.920
Stephanie, the whole story was just
beginning. I'll end on this note.

2921
03:40:46.719 --> 03:40:50.600
Had Hogan coming to TNA with his
storyline in twenty ten, or even began

2922
03:40:50.680 --> 03:40:54.680
it in twenty eleven instead of pulling
that dumbass, immortal bullshit, then maybe,

2923
03:40:56.600 --> 03:41:01.040
just maybe TNA could have fared better. He stared at. I stand

2924
03:41:01.120 --> 03:41:05.079
by my thoughts that Hogan looked back
on the best year of the w ever

2925
03:41:05.239 --> 03:41:07.920
had and thought, hmm, it
would if I did that. Dude,

2926
03:41:09.120 --> 03:41:13.520
Yes, But he was either too
stuck in his ways or to him inept

2927
03:41:15.440 --> 03:41:20.920
to change, to change creatively from
the formulaic, formulaic ways of doing the

2928
03:41:20.000 --> 03:41:26.520
best Friend turns on him nineteen eighties
nonsense to do, to ever do anything

2929
03:41:26.639 --> 03:41:31.799
I'd ever do right by something which
in theory could have actually worked. Aces

2930
03:41:31.799 --> 03:41:35.399
and eights sucked, no doubt about
it. Nothing could have ever made that

2931
03:41:35.479 --> 03:41:39.360
work. Scrapped the story. But
if we're going to be the Vince in

2932
03:41:39.399 --> 03:41:43.319
the storyline with his daughter and bully. It should have been started from the

2933
03:41:43.399 --> 03:41:50.840
beginning, not the end. What
do you guys think? What a lot

2934
03:41:50.920 --> 03:41:56.840
there? Boss, where's your head
go? I think it still would have

2935
03:41:56.879 --> 03:42:01.159
sucked. Yeah, I think it's
got less to do. I think he

2936
03:42:01.280 --> 03:42:03.280
makes a good point about it,
about how they they did it, But

2937
03:42:05.239 --> 03:42:09.520
I think it all falls along this
fucking biker gimmick that nobody gives a shit

2938
03:42:09.559 --> 03:42:11.239
about, and the fact that there's
all these mid carters that nobody gives a

2939
03:42:11.280 --> 03:42:15.360
shit about. Yes, exactly,
you don't have you don't have the crew

2940
03:42:15.440 --> 03:42:20.040
to pull this off. You don't
have the crew to make me think that

2941
03:42:20.200 --> 03:42:24.239
there's you know, barbarians at the
gate, right, And also because they

2942
03:42:24.239 --> 03:42:26.840
always lose. They just wrestles standard
matches like anybody else. There's no like

2943
03:42:28.280 --> 03:42:33.760
you know, you know how to
do this ring of honor and CZW that

2944
03:42:33.920 --> 03:42:39.319
program was the perfect way to do
this where it's like the invading force shows

2945
03:42:39.399 --> 03:42:43.200
up, but it makes sense because
the home team isn't afraid of them,

2946
03:42:43.399 --> 03:42:48.079
like like no, don't kick him
out, like let's fucking go. And

2947
03:42:48.159 --> 03:42:54.319
the guys that are invading a rascals
and they're totally they're totally different in esthetic

2948
03:42:54.360 --> 03:43:01.239
and approach and philosophy. You start
with a crew that feels different than the

2949
03:43:01.479 --> 03:43:05.959
r the heart of roag. The
wrestlers seem like just these garbage wrestler sort

2950
03:43:05.000 --> 03:43:11.319
of like thumbtack, barbed wire oriented
bloodlust guys. Right, you have kind

2951
03:43:11.319 --> 03:43:15.719
of like a distinct just like the
nWo ANDWCW. You have like a distinct

2952
03:43:15.799 --> 03:43:20.280
identity clash going on. Whereas in
TNA it was like aces Nates. They

2953
03:43:20.200 --> 03:43:26.639
they slapped biker gear on them and
pretended that that denoted outsider to dress like

2954
03:43:26.680 --> 03:43:31.680
a biker. And it's like,
no, like that doesn't tell me at

2955
03:43:31.719 --> 03:43:37.159
all that these people are unlike the
TNA roster because they're bikers. Like I

2956
03:43:37.200 --> 03:43:39.120
would just just quickly think most of
the TNA wrestlers are bikers too. There's

2957
03:43:39.159 --> 03:43:46.239
nothing menacing about that. It's just
like something you do. It's I don't

2958
03:43:46.239 --> 03:43:50.760
know, it was I guess the
Sons of Anarchy inspired stable is something you

2959
03:43:50.799 --> 03:43:56.760
could have tried. But to make
them the nWo just was not It was

2960
03:43:56.799 --> 03:44:00.479
not a sensible. Second half of
the coin flip side of the coin agreed.

2961
03:44:00.680 --> 03:44:03.399
CITWO didn't go together. I don't
know, he just didn't have enough

2962
03:44:03.479 --> 03:44:07.959
contrast between the guys they were invading
and the invaders, so many of them

2963
03:44:09.000 --> 03:44:11.760
were just on the other side of
the fence a second ago, like now

2964
03:44:11.000 --> 03:44:15.200
devon dresses and biker clothes, and
he's a menace. Like, oh,

2965
03:44:15.319 --> 03:44:16.280
no, one's any more afraid of
him than they were before. He still

2966
03:44:16.280 --> 03:44:20.440
can't win matches, He's still right, you still lose that ahead, and

2967
03:44:20.799 --> 03:44:24.399
nobody's fucking, you know, changing
the booking of these fucking clowns. Big

2968
03:44:24.479 --> 03:44:30.639
shout out, And I'm trying like
hell to find the initial tweet. But

2969
03:44:30.799 --> 03:44:35.360
on the day where we concluded the
TNH journey sort of formally, there's a

2970
03:44:35.440 --> 03:44:37.959
wonderful video. Did you see this
that a member of the Solar System put

2971
03:44:39.000 --> 03:44:41.799
together. The banner image on our
Twitter is from Yes, it's just like

2972
03:44:41.879 --> 03:44:46.600
it's set to Johnny Cash as heard, and it's just like just a bunch

2973
03:44:46.639 --> 03:44:48.760
of still images of Hogan in some
video. But it's like it's such a

2974
03:44:48.920 --> 03:44:56.680
fucking true tale of like how sad
Hogan ended up becoming. Oh totally contrast

2975
03:44:56.760 --> 03:45:00.680
what he looked like in court and
like what he looked like at his peak,

2976
03:45:00.799 --> 03:45:03.079
and of course he's gonna age.
He's not gonna look as good.

2977
03:45:03.120 --> 03:45:07.959
But it's just like he's in a
totally different context, this cartoonish context that's

2978
03:45:09.040 --> 03:45:13.440
like so beneath the cultural iconic class
that Hulk Hogan was in the eighties.

2979
03:45:13.559 --> 03:45:16.719
You know, it's four lads hit
a team on Twitter, tip of the

2980
03:45:16.799 --> 03:45:20.159
cap to him. I thought that
was just a beautifully timed, if nothing

2981
03:45:20.239 --> 03:45:24.399
else thing. If you've sure you
want to win us over, drop a

2982
03:45:24.520 --> 03:45:26.360
video like that that sums it all
up at the end of a hard journey,

2983
03:45:26.959 --> 03:45:31.040
and that's one way to get it
done. Closing off here, Neil

2984
03:45:31.120 --> 03:45:37.680
writes, there's some confusion about what
a serious bible is, especially by Bischolf,

2985
03:45:37.000 --> 03:45:41.399
so it's worth clarifying. A serious
bible isn't the story of your television

2986
03:45:41.440 --> 03:45:43.000
show, even though it can have
elements of a story in it. A

2987
03:45:43.040 --> 03:45:46.639
show bible as a document that spells
out immutable rules of the series that writers

2988
03:45:46.680 --> 03:45:50.159
can refer back to for point of
reference. Is that how you understand it?

2989
03:45:50.239 --> 03:45:54.520
Boss? Did you get the distinction
he's making there? Yeah, I

2990
03:45:54.639 --> 03:46:01.040
mean, but I mean, I'm
sure I agree with Yeah, But I've

2991
03:46:01.079 --> 03:46:07.639
also heard of show bibles like not
necessarily having it again beat by beat,

2992
03:46:07.840 --> 03:46:11.600
but it shows where you're going.
Yeah, yeah, I think he's like

2993
03:46:11.879 --> 03:46:15.920
a kind of story bible. He
says. Star Star Trek created one of

2994
03:46:15.959 --> 03:46:18.399
the first modern series bibles during its
run, so it would be easier to

2995
03:46:18.479 --> 03:46:22.040
keep track of the expensive universe they
were creating for existing writers and perhaps most

2996
03:46:22.079 --> 03:46:28.840
important new writers coming in. I
mean that I knew stuff like that would

2997
03:46:28.840 --> 03:46:31.680
be in it too, Like it's
it's all thea's basically everything. It's a

2998
03:46:31.760 --> 03:46:37.959
book of every piece of information that
you have about for the show that the

2999
03:46:37.000 --> 03:46:41.360
show right, so that you do
right, so that you do have a

3000
03:46:41.440 --> 03:46:43.000
reference to go to. You could
also very well include where it's going,

3001
03:46:43.159 --> 03:46:46.799
not just as I mean, yeah, that's what I've always understood that that

3002
03:46:48.120 --> 03:46:52.520
the show bible does have, or
it can have again, not like even

3003
03:46:52.879 --> 03:46:56.760
detailed plots, which it's like basically
saying season one, this is where we're

3004
03:46:56.799 --> 03:47:00.159
gonna go. In season two,
this is where we're gonna go. For

3005
03:47:00.280 --> 03:47:03.000
instance, he writes, the series
bible for Star Trek would say that Spock

3006
03:47:03.120 --> 03:47:07.239
is from Vulcan is the science officer
aboard the USS Enterprise, etc. These

3007
03:47:07.280 --> 03:47:09.639
are facts and Star Trek that cannot
be changed if you were writing a coherent

3008
03:47:09.680 --> 03:47:15.319
script for the show. So he
sees Bible as more like rules of thumb,

3009
03:47:15.520 --> 03:47:18.280
like a you know, things written
in stone tablets that you can't violate

3010
03:47:18.319 --> 03:47:22.879
if you're going to write the show
any right. So with Hogan's contract at

3011
03:47:22.920 --> 03:47:26.280
TENA was that they didn't want to
roll over to the option year because he'd

3012
03:47:26.280 --> 03:47:28.239
be locked into the same rate.
Yeah, that's how I took it.

3013
03:47:28.319 --> 03:47:31.360
When he talks in his deposition about
how it ended, it seemed like they

3014
03:47:31.440 --> 03:47:35.639
came to him trying to lower his
amount and not extended the current amount.

3015
03:47:37.079 --> 03:47:39.959
He says it seemed like dis he
offered the new contract in hopes of comparable

3016
03:47:39.000 --> 03:47:41.760
money, but stretched out over a
longer period of time. Yeah, for

3017
03:47:41.840 --> 03:47:46.959
sure. There were similar kind of
showdown with Aja two where it was like

3018
03:47:46.799 --> 03:47:50.719
the offer looked insultingly low on when
they first came to the table, but

3019
03:47:50.799 --> 03:47:56.079
it was yeah, you know,
but then when you heard Kaboric talk about

3020
03:47:56.079 --> 03:48:01.520
it, he basically made it seem
like it was like a backloaded contract and

3021
03:48:01.600 --> 03:48:03.239
that you know, it's probably trying
to come up with like alternate ways to

3022
03:48:03.319 --> 03:48:07.360
get these guys paid so that it
wasn't just like a flat guaranteed payment,

3023
03:48:07.399 --> 03:48:13.280
but maybe something more incentive based.
That's a lot of what the cost cutters

3024
03:48:13.280 --> 03:48:18.680
and wrestling have always done. It
was like even when m WCW was running

3025
03:48:18.719 --> 03:48:22.719
into the iceberg in two thousand and
the short time period where JJ Dillon got

3026
03:48:22.719 --> 03:48:24.440
back in control. We know this
from some of the correspondents that became public

3027
03:48:24.520 --> 03:48:28.840
record in the racial discrimination lawsuit.
They were trying like creative ways to get

3028
03:48:28.920 --> 03:48:31.399
Jeff Jarrett paid. So like he
wasn't guaranteed a ton of money. His

3029
03:48:31.719 --> 03:48:35.639
salary looked a lot lower on paper, but there were all these little ways

3030
03:48:35.719 --> 03:48:41.159
that he get paid for showing and
paid for going into making dates and making

3031
03:48:41.239 --> 03:48:45.920
towns that that really offset that.
Ellis writes, I'm not a TENA fan,

3032
03:48:46.040 --> 03:48:48.879
but the sheer balls that Bischoff and
Hogan have to present TNAS some lost

3033
03:48:50.000 --> 03:48:52.840
cause they had zero chance of doing
anything with after listening through three years of

3034
03:48:52.879 --> 03:48:58.440
them were hashing and wo mixing with
sons of assholery and then adding Hogan sounding

3035
03:48:58.479 --> 03:49:01.120
like a stroke victim in his promos. Well, I just lost my train

3036
03:49:01.159 --> 03:49:05.120
of thought, something something man in
me. I thought that was just a

3037
03:49:05.159 --> 03:49:09.760
little beautiful snippet of what they ended
up being all about. Nick writes,

3038
03:49:09.799 --> 03:49:13.799
wanted to create the definitive list of
things that matter in T and A.

3039
03:49:13.360 --> 03:49:22.200
So far, I've got h that's
what the email says. That's what it

3040
03:49:22.239 --> 03:49:26.319
says. Nothing nothing, It's just
a. It's just a colon and he

3041
03:49:26.479 --> 03:49:31.360
never wrote anything under it. Wow
on purpose, Ellis wrote, Brooke is

3042
03:49:31.479 --> 03:49:37.159
entitled to I was like, yeah, I was still here. Brooke is

3043
03:49:37.280 --> 03:49:39.959
entitled to run away from the business
and be happy in real life. But

3044
03:49:41.079 --> 03:49:45.239
her torpedo wing the angle just for
real life congrats is such a microcosm of

3045
03:49:45.319 --> 03:49:48.399
her father, a man who is
the Carneyist of Carney's and yet is so

3046
03:49:48.559 --> 03:49:52.399
desperate for regular acknowledgement he will roll
their eyes and shit in the business if

3047
03:49:52.440 --> 03:50:00.799
it means something outside of wrestling.
Um, I think yes. I think

3048
03:50:00.840 --> 03:50:05.280
she was definitely like a creature of
her age that she couldn't help but instagram

3049
03:50:05.360 --> 03:50:07.319
the shit out of proposals, even
though it fucked up what was going on

3050
03:50:07.440 --> 03:50:15.360
in wrestling. But I don't know
if Hogan's like that, just totally fuck

3051
03:50:15.479 --> 03:50:18.319
up what's happening on his wrestling storyline
because it'll get him attention in the real

3052
03:50:18.399 --> 03:50:22.319
media outside of wrestling. I struggled
to think of an example of that he

3053
03:50:22.879 --> 03:50:26.040
kind of downplaced TNA, I guess, but he doesn't do it directly.

3054
03:50:26.079 --> 03:50:31.600
Yeah, he does it biomission.
But I mean not until that deposition in

3055
03:50:31.719 --> 03:50:35.319
Laser Spine did he start in his
testimony in the Gawker case, did he

3056
03:50:35.360 --> 03:50:39.760
say things like TENA wasn't a real
wrestling company and it was a small time

3057
03:50:39.799 --> 03:50:43.239
operation and stuff. He was never
yet I don't know. I mean yeah,

3058
03:50:43.239 --> 03:50:46.680
because I mean he was always talking
about you know, we're almost there,

3059
03:50:46.799 --> 03:50:50.520
brother. Yeah. Yeah. I'm
not sure that she got that from

3060
03:50:50.600 --> 03:50:52.639
him. I think she got that
from just being a product of the age

3061
03:50:52.680 --> 03:50:56.959
where like people were so desperate to
have things to celebrate on social media.

3062
03:50:58.159 --> 03:51:03.040
You know that they actually created things
say was really proposed to, but it's

3063
03:51:03.040 --> 03:51:05.920
all like, oh my god,
Like, what am I going to celebrate

3064
03:51:05.200 --> 03:51:09.360
this time? Maybe if I'm lucky, it'll make someone I went to high

3065
03:51:09.360 --> 03:51:13.760
school jealous. High school with jealous. That's what we're all about, Joseph

3066
03:51:13.840 --> 03:51:16.840
wrote, You know that your product
is hot when it centers around an old

3067
03:51:16.879 --> 03:51:22.920
man's various knee and back surgery.
Brother wrestling sucks, he adds, when

3068
03:51:22.000 --> 03:51:26.040
it is a TV show with producers
and writers and all that bullshit. Wrestling

3069
03:51:26.159 --> 03:51:30.520
is good when it is an activity, slash, competition, slash whatever that

3070
03:51:30.639 --> 03:51:33.040
happens to be broadcasted on TV.
I thought that was well put. Someone

3071
03:51:33.079 --> 03:51:37.319
else said, like as soon as
people started seeing story and association with wrestling

3072
03:51:37.600 --> 03:51:43.280
all over. Adam writes, here's
a simple idea to make tena better from

3073
03:51:43.280 --> 03:51:46.479
twenty eleven to thirteen, Samoa Joe
has a Roman Rain length title Rain and

3074
03:51:46.639 --> 03:51:50.840
Kicks Everyone's ass. Simple as shit
would have been better. I'll saying it's

3075
03:51:50.840 --> 03:51:52.840
a great idea, would have been
better than what we've got, probably would

3076
03:51:52.879 --> 03:51:56.120
have been. Stephen says when Taz
is hanging around Coney Island, he tells

3077
03:51:56.120 --> 03:52:00.719
anyone who will listen that the film
The Warriors is based on his life There

3078
03:52:00.760 --> 03:52:03.440
we Go, and that the Michael
Scott vibes off of Dixie are overwhelming.

3079
03:52:05.639 --> 03:52:09.000
I think of Michael Scott when you
see Dixie Carter um No, I think

3080
03:52:09.000 --> 03:52:13.200
that's insulting Michael Scott. Michael Scott, British stew dog writes, I need

3081
03:52:13.239 --> 03:52:16.639
to cleanse my soul with another Listen
to the wcc W journey. After this

3082
03:52:16.840 --> 03:52:22.159
NonStop trip of dialing it back in
and getting back on track with Pulk,

3083
03:52:22.399 --> 03:52:28.479
Pogan and wine Aunt Dixie. That's
fine, Devin writes, bubb isn't a

3084
03:52:28.520 --> 03:52:31.600
swinger, he's a cuckold. I'll
miss this journey. I think it has

3085
03:52:31.600 --> 03:52:33.360
been my favorite one. And I
started listening to Ta left in the Wrestling

3086
03:52:33.399 --> 03:52:37.000
Mania Journey years and years ago.
I can tell it almost broke JP though.

3087
03:52:37.159 --> 03:52:43.000
Ha ha, yeah, that's mean. Hum Boss, consider your feelings

3088
03:52:45.440 --> 03:52:50.239
and your distress. Listen, listen. You know what I have no problem.

3089
03:52:50.280 --> 03:52:52.760
I laugh at people's stress. I
encourage people to laugh at my stress

3090
03:52:52.840 --> 03:52:58.000
and my anxi and my misery.
Ken writes, TNA should move us.

3091
03:52:58.319 --> 03:53:01.760
What's that I said? Because I
will laugh at your misery? Right,

3092
03:53:01.840 --> 03:53:05.280
so it's only fair ye. Ken
writes ten to move to the UK,

3093
03:53:05.479 --> 03:53:13.280
then Chris Saban's ACL surgery would have
cost fuck all. Blake makes a very

3094
03:53:13.280 --> 03:53:16.879
good point, he writes, anyone
worth a fuck learned a lot about themselves

3095
03:53:16.920 --> 03:53:24.799
on this journey, truly the work
of God's We are forever grisateful brother learned

3096
03:53:24.840 --> 03:53:28.399
a lot about themselves. Michael has
Hogan memories, and Boss, I wish

3097
03:53:28.440 --> 03:53:31.280
you would share them with The Solar
system has got it get very close to

3098
03:53:31.360 --> 03:53:41.760
the bottom of the TNH mail bag
and all that signifies hm ah Hello laps

3099
03:53:41.799 --> 03:53:46.120
co Chairs, A long time freeloader, first time emailer. The Teenage Journey

3100
03:53:46.200 --> 03:53:50.040
has been a real painful joy to
go through and has really hit home with

3101
03:53:50.159 --> 03:53:56.719
the tragedy that is Hulk Hogan.
My earliest memories of wrestling are, in

3102
03:53:56.799 --> 03:54:01.000
fact, the build to Hogan Andre
the ripping of the shirt and cross and

3103
03:54:01.079 --> 03:54:05.319
the year bleeding line from Piper sent
a chill down my eight year old spine.

3104
03:54:05.719 --> 03:54:09.399
I didn't exactly know who either man
was, but I was totally drawn

3105
03:54:09.440 --> 03:54:13.840
in by the story. Not long
after was the Saturday Night's main event where

3106
03:54:13.879 --> 03:54:18.120
Hogan won the Battle Royal and I
was legitimately concerned that Hogan was going to

3107
03:54:18.200 --> 03:54:22.360
be killed in the ring and the
way Terry recounts that this time period,

3108
03:54:22.479 --> 03:54:28.239
I'm not alone. Yes, my
father is one of the original lapsed fans.

3109
03:54:28.360 --> 03:54:35.040
This ship looks fake now Yes,
now, I'm gonna beat your ass

3110
03:54:35.479 --> 03:54:46.079
boy fuck, he was saying.
In the late nineteen nineties, and wrestling

3111
03:54:46.159 --> 03:54:50.840
was treated with the same level of
importance as all other sports. I sympathize

3112
03:54:50.879 --> 03:54:56.079
with the co Chairs and Universe members
whose families were less than enthusiastic about pretend

3113
03:54:56.280 --> 03:55:05.840
pugilism living in the proud c town
of Manchester, New hampshiess A closed circuit

3114
03:55:05.920 --> 03:55:11.319
screening of the mainstree was held at
the JFK Center near downtown Manchester. Though

3115
03:55:11.360 --> 03:55:13.479
I could not attend, I did
watch the news report of the event.

3116
03:55:15.159 --> 03:55:18.079
A couple thousand people were there with
the typical types of interviews. You can

3117
03:55:18.159 --> 03:55:24.280
imagine the LAPS editor would be proud. The clip even showed the now famous

3118
03:55:24.319 --> 03:55:30.040
clip of Hogan slamming the seven hundred
pound Andre, who unfortunately died moments later

3119
03:55:30.159 --> 03:55:35.479
due to shock and shame, with
the glorious bouquet of flashbulbs exploding over the

3120
03:55:35.520 --> 03:55:41.479
one hundred and ninety three thousand strong
Silver Dome. After that, I became

3121
03:55:41.600 --> 03:55:46.040
glued to Saturday and Sunday mornings at
eleven AM. Watched Channel nine for the

3122
03:55:46.120 --> 03:55:48.840
newest episodes of Superstars and Challenge.
A couple of years later we got a

3123
03:55:48.879 --> 03:55:56.280
black box with all the channels and
primetime Wrestling World Championship Wrestling WW Main Event

3124
03:55:56.639 --> 03:56:01.719
and whatever afternoon wrestling ESPN would show
a BA and later GWF. Yes,

3125
03:56:01.840 --> 03:56:05.920
GWF. I remember that Rod Price
when in the North American Title. I

3126
03:56:05.000 --> 03:56:09.319
saw it on ESPN, Yes he
did. Always hear it some Friday fucking

3127
03:56:09.360 --> 03:56:15.520
afternoon. We hear that, We
hear about that one more than I know

3128
03:56:15.799 --> 03:56:20.680
fucking Rod Price Man when of that
GWF North American Title. I needed all

3129
03:56:20.799 --> 03:56:24.040
of it, however I could get
it. All. The other elements of

3130
03:56:24.239 --> 03:56:28.239
my fandom began to fill in during
that time as well, diving into pro

3131
03:56:28.319 --> 03:56:35.440
wrestling illustrated in the aptermag learning about
the NWA and Channel seventeen at six oh

3132
03:56:35.559 --> 03:56:39.879
five, staying up super late to
watch Glow, crying tears with my entire

3133
03:56:39.959 --> 03:56:46.000
family, to the post match of
Warrior Savage, reaching peak fan nirvana after

3134
03:56:46.159 --> 03:56:50.760
my pick Rick Flair proved himself to
be the Marathon Man and win the ninety

3135
03:56:50.799 --> 03:56:54.159
two Rumble. Stumbling onto the Internet
and coming across Russell Line and reading Scott

3136
03:56:54.239 --> 03:57:01.280
Keat's early work along with the Bagpipe
Report, Tita Tito Shearer, etc.

3137
03:57:01.959 --> 03:57:18.760
Even organizing parties around Dave Sharer,
even organizing parties around watching ECW on the

3138
03:57:18.840 --> 03:57:22.680
Spanish language Worcester station at two am
on a Saturday night. Some of the

3139
03:57:22.760 --> 03:57:26.479
happiest, most transcendent moments of my
life that I will remember vividly until the

3140
03:57:26.559 --> 03:57:31.000
day I die, all of it, all of it because with the red

3141
03:57:31.040 --> 03:57:35.600
and Yellow. Now as a cynical, jaded, smart fan, I certainly

3142
03:57:35.680 --> 03:57:39.600
picked up my criticisms of the of
the Orange Goblin. But at the same

3143
03:57:39.719 --> 03:57:45.360
time, when the circumstances were just
right WrestleMania X eight, I was sucked

3144
03:57:45.479 --> 03:57:50.440
right back in and was an eight
year old again. Obviously, the one

3145
03:57:50.559 --> 03:57:56.959
two punch of the sex tape and
racist comments completely blew up most of any

3146
03:57:58.440 --> 03:58:05.680
nostalgic sentimentality I feel for Terry Balaya. As an aside, it's tragic that

3147
03:58:05.920 --> 03:58:09.760
so many wholesome heroes of the eighties
Hulkogan, Bill Cosby, O. J.

3148
03:58:09.920 --> 03:58:16.239
Simpson, Michael Jackson, etc.
Were proven later to be kind of

3149
03:58:16.360 --> 03:58:20.840
horrible people. But I digress.
As has been mentioned, the Lapse Fan

3150
03:58:22.559 --> 03:58:26.319
is as much a journey of the
career of the Hulkster as it is an

3151
03:58:26.360 --> 03:58:33.319
insightful examination of the ridiculous pseudo sport
we know and love. In light of

3152
03:58:33.440 --> 03:58:41.399
this exceedingly and excruciatingly long examination of
the complete collapse of Hulkogan, I was

3153
03:58:41.520 --> 03:58:46.879
curious that the co chairs could spend
a few minutes talking about what Hulkogan means

3154
03:58:48.399 --> 03:58:52.959
to them, thanks for everything you
do and thank you for tea and h.

3155
03:58:56.079 --> 03:58:58.719
I mean, what Hulkogan means to
me is what it meant to ellis

3156
03:58:58.760 --> 03:59:01.920
Hulkogan will say anything to anyone at
any time and then backtrack it by saying

3157
03:59:03.000 --> 03:59:07.479
it was another guy and he got
one hundred million dollars from it. Um

3158
03:59:11.959 --> 03:59:18.360
what whole cocod means to me?
Yeah, not an easy one. I

3159
03:59:18.440 --> 03:59:22.559
mean he was the He was the
reason in many ways that I wanted to

3160
03:59:22.600 --> 03:59:30.120
watch pro wrestling. Yeah, why
ah, there was just something magnetic about

3161
03:59:30.200 --> 03:59:39.879
him. Yeah, you know,
like I didn't. It's like when I

3162
03:59:39.959 --> 03:59:50.200
became a fan, he was already
my favorite. There was no but he

3163
03:59:50.399 --> 03:59:58.000
was it. And I don't know
why, Yeah, I think. I

3164
03:59:58.079 --> 04:00:03.639
mean, he was just so colorful, and he was like a cartoon character

3165
04:00:03.719 --> 04:00:07.520
on the TV screen and he knew
that, and he knew how to be

3166
04:00:07.799 --> 04:00:13.559
a muscled up Marvel superhero in a
wrestling ring. And you could say Superstar

3167
04:00:13.680 --> 04:00:16.840
Graham and you know Dusty Rhodes and
all the other influences he had and that's

3168
04:00:16.879 --> 04:00:24.000
all valid, But that's like he
had more energy than those guys in terms

3169
04:00:24.040 --> 04:00:31.399
of like not more energy Dusty's thing
was the promos. Billy's was the promos

3170
04:00:31.479 --> 04:00:35.639
too. Hogan's promos were great,
but it was really just the charism of

3171
04:00:35.719 --> 04:00:39.280
moving around. It was it was
It was the idea of this guy could

3172
04:00:39.319 --> 04:00:41.239
be in the ring and just look
to the crowd and just totally get Madison

3173
04:00:41.280 --> 04:00:45.639
Square Garden in their feet just by
turning his head to the right. It

3174
04:00:45.799 --> 04:00:48.920
was the fact that he knew,
yeah, when push came to shove,

3175
04:00:50.280 --> 04:00:54.239
that he has to come off like
an ass kicker as much as he's sort

3176
04:00:54.280 --> 04:00:58.319
of preening and oiled up and all, that he wasn't a wrestler that you

3177
04:00:58.360 --> 04:01:03.239
could sort of make fun of for
being in his underwear. And you know

3178
04:01:03.280 --> 04:01:07.280
what I mean, the mainstream were
special, that he was really like a

3179
04:01:07.920 --> 04:01:13.159
special presence. Yes, and he
knew enough about why people came to the

3180
04:01:13.200 --> 04:01:20.079
wrestling matches before the national expansion right
right right that he knew where to go

3181
04:01:20.440 --> 04:01:24.479
when it came time to really satiate
what real wrestling fans want out of wrestling,

3182
04:01:26.879 --> 04:01:28.319
Which sounds ironic to say, because
the time people were like, this

3183
04:01:28.399 --> 04:01:31.639
guy's the fucking death knell of this
business. He's not, you know,

3184
04:01:31.799 --> 04:01:35.479
Rick Flair is the antithesis you're either
a Rick Flair Holklgan fan, and the

3185
04:01:35.559 --> 04:01:39.799
way he performs in that ring takes
us so far away, yeah, from

3186
04:01:39.840 --> 04:01:41.920
the art form that we fell in
love with, that's all. It almost

3187
04:01:41.920 --> 04:01:46.879
seems a prostitution of it. But
you can't watch those crowds during that first

3188
04:01:46.920 --> 04:01:52.120
title run and conclude that he's doing
it wrong. You cannot right right,

3189
04:01:52.920 --> 04:01:58.760
And what he meant to me is
and we're talking about like he's already did.

3190
04:01:58.799 --> 04:02:01.479
We don't want to waste too much
of this in but you know,

3191
04:02:03.840 --> 04:02:09.760
he ends up meaning to me a
guy who taught me that wrestlers have to

3192
04:02:09.879 --> 04:02:13.959
be wrestlers one hundred percent of the
time in all elements of their life to

3193
04:02:13.120 --> 04:02:18.360
have the success he had, and
that even that success is fleeting. Because

3194
04:02:18.399 --> 04:02:22.639
if you follow the whole Cogan playbook, which reason would tell you if you

3195
04:02:22.680 --> 04:02:24.520
want to be the biggest star possible
in pro wrestling, you would follow his

3196
04:02:24.600 --> 04:02:30.280
playbook, you still end up,
you know, wearing a bandana in a

3197
04:02:30.360 --> 04:02:33.760
courtroom. Yeah, because you're afraid
of how you look when you're bald.

3198
04:02:33.840 --> 04:02:37.920
You still wind up confiding in the
woman you're cheating on your wife with on

3199
04:02:39.079 --> 04:02:43.319
camera that you're afraid You're just a
country bumpkin. You still clink the revolver

3200
04:02:43.639 --> 04:02:48.639
against your teeth because the house is
empty because everybody moved out overnight. You

3201
04:02:48.760 --> 04:02:56.559
still can't walk because your back is
so badly damaged that you know, no

3202
04:02:56.639 --> 04:02:58.920
one told you, right. One
of his favorite things was, no one

3203
04:02:58.959 --> 04:03:05.879
told me it was fake, And
it's like, yeah, Terry, the

3204
04:03:05.959 --> 04:03:07.399
only thing that turned out to be
real was the damage it did to your

3205
04:03:07.440 --> 04:03:13.200
body. The rest of it was
all just string for you to play with.

3206
04:03:13.360 --> 04:03:16.239
Yes, And he admitted this just
a few weeks ago. He was

3207
04:03:16.280 --> 04:03:22.319
doing another tour of interviews to promote
whatever he's promoting now, and he said

3208
04:03:22.319 --> 04:03:26.000
it, He said, you know, and we cited the last episode of

3209
04:03:26.239 --> 04:03:31.600
The ten Journey to me. The
winner is the guy in the ring was

3210
04:03:31.639 --> 04:03:35.440
making the most money. The work
is getting the most money. That's what

3211
04:03:35.559 --> 04:03:43.639
motivated him. He was an accounting
student. He was a guy that minded

3212
04:03:43.079 --> 04:03:48.200
the ledger, and he was a
guy who despired how much money he ever

3213
04:03:48.319 --> 04:03:54.239
had, was always afraid he didn't
have enough, and always felt like the

3214
04:03:54.360 --> 04:04:00.680
next hussele was a worthy one.
The next hussle was was one he couldn't

3215
04:04:00.719 --> 04:04:05.600
afford to leave on the table.
He's so like that that he even convinced

3216
04:04:05.639 --> 04:04:09.319
himself that he missed out on the
George Foreman grill and he's playing a Metallica

3217
04:04:09.399 --> 04:04:16.719
and oh, exactly, he's right. He's he's convinced. He's convinced himself

3218
04:04:16.879 --> 04:04:22.920
of delusions because of things. Yeah, because of this mental stadias himself in

3219
04:04:22.959 --> 04:04:26.120
it, and as many pay days
as he was able to grab along the

3220
04:04:26.239 --> 04:04:31.399
years, he's equally, if not
even more focused on the ones that he

3221
04:04:31.600 --> 04:04:35.399
perceives he missed out on. That's
the tragedy. He's never going to get

3222
04:04:35.440 --> 04:04:39.639
to a point where he looks around
and says, all right, I squeezed

3223
04:04:39.719 --> 04:04:45.559
all of the juice side of that
orange I possibly could, and now it's

3224
04:04:45.600 --> 04:04:50.600
time to enjoy the fruits, because
he doesn't want to enjoy anything. He

3225
04:04:50.719 --> 04:04:58.799
just wants to make more. Yes, he just wants to be convinced that

3226
04:04:58.959 --> 04:05:05.000
the run isn't over. And he's
doing interviews in his seventies talking about what

3227
04:05:05.239 --> 04:05:13.120
possibly wrestling again. He's his arms
are back where they were twenty years ago.

3228
04:05:13.120 --> 04:05:16.319
If you see some of the videos
he's been posting lately. Only God

3229
04:05:16.399 --> 04:05:24.799
knows what he's doing to get those
arms back. And I mean we talked

3230
04:05:24.840 --> 04:05:30.639
about the trial of his life Bashed
the Beach two thousand. In a lot

3231
04:05:30.680 --> 04:05:33.479
of ways, this is just an
extension that the shows where he retired around

3232
04:05:33.479 --> 04:05:37.959
wrestling Menia eight. I guess what
Hulk Coogan means to me as a wrestling

3233
04:05:37.000 --> 04:05:46.120
fan is somebody who showed us how
brilliant a performer could be, yep,

3234
04:05:48.159 --> 04:05:54.719
only for us to realize that that
brilliance is not always put to the best

3235
04:05:54.879 --> 04:06:01.239
use, yes, and that if
circumstances changed in the worm turns, suddenly

3236
04:06:01.319 --> 04:06:09.280
those qualities start to look Macavellian,
they start to I guess what it is

3237
04:06:09.399 --> 04:06:13.760
is you realize there's no scratching that
off the surface. It's I guess it's

3238
04:06:13.799 --> 04:06:18.559
what he told us all along,
that there is no Terry Balaya that's right,

3239
04:06:18.639 --> 04:06:24.760
that we'll ever see, right.
I guess that's what hul Cogan means

3240
04:06:24.799 --> 04:06:28.879
to me, And so that's TNH. I want to thank everybody for writing

3241
04:06:28.879 --> 04:06:33.799
in, for their thoughtful feedback,
yes, and for bearing with us as

3242
04:06:33.840 --> 04:06:37.000
we did what had to be done. History will reflect kindly upon it,

3243
04:06:37.120 --> 04:06:41.479
I would wager. I would wager
that as well. For now it's time

3244
04:06:41.520 --> 04:06:45.120
for us to move on with with
very little in the way of regrets.

3245
04:06:45.200 --> 04:06:48.879
Boss, I mean yeah, well, yes, I can't you know,

3246
04:06:48.959 --> 04:06:52.040
I get well, I guess there
is one dragon. There is there is

3247
04:06:52.120 --> 04:07:00.479
one. There's the one dragon that
the mystery, the missing piece. Listen

3248
04:07:00.600 --> 04:07:11.000
for it. Say hey, hello, bye. Got his legs went numb.

3249
04:07:11.319 --> 04:07:20.479
I'm gonna drive right up. Okay, why would have to go?

3250
04:07:20.559 --> 04:07:26.399
I have to go. My dad's
legs went numb and he collapsed. I

3251
04:07:26.559 --> 04:07:35.719
has to go. Are you sure? Yeah? Next week A s as

3252
04:07:35.719 --> 04:07:41.040
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