Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
I'm excited about tonight's guests. Grant Levek. I had to pre record with
him because right now in Australia it is eleven o'clock on Wednesday, and there
was no way he could get out of work unfortunately. So it's a pre
recorded show with him, and I'm live right now, of course just for
a couple of minutes here for a couple of announcements, and so he'll be
on. He's a great guest. You're really going to enjoy him. A
couple of things. The blog this week from Charles Lear as a general and
a UFO hotspot in Brazil. A great blog. Another great one by Charles
Lear. I'm pretty excited to say that on the thirtieth you're going to see
myself with this gentleman right here. So Tim Burchett is going to be on.
It may be a short interview. I'm not really sure how long it's
going to be unfortunately. Also, I have to pre record with him because
it's during the day. But that I'm going to pre record with him on
Thursday, it's going to be on the following week, so on the thirtieth.
Tuesday the thirtieth, I'll have Dave from Space Out Radio as my guest
and Tim Burchett. The recording that I have with him will be played at
that time. So I have a lot of questions for him about the hearing
that just happened. Seems like a lot of positive things were said according to
what I've seen from the interviews afterwards. So if you have any really good
questions, you'd like to email me at Martinette PODCASTUFO dot com. I'll see
if I can ask them if if it makes sense. So what I'm going
to do is I'm going to play the recording that I did with Grant and
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here we go. Grant, Welcome to the show. Martin it's good to
be with you. Thanks so much for having me on and give me an
opportunity to share some perspectives and insights with your viewers. It's good to be
with you excellent. You know, I have to say that whenever I look
at the demographics to listeners to this show, it's the United States number one,
and then between the UK and Australia it's number They go back and forth,
who's the second names listen to? I only had twenty six million people
in Australia and that's right, and so many listeners And what would you attribute
that to? Well, look, I think the Australian public has certainly a
fascination and interest in this topic. Like you know, to the Australian mainstream
media is credit Whenever something significant happens in the US, whether it's Congress or
David Grush coming out with Ross called on News Nation, the Australian news media
will cover it. But that's all they do. It's very copy and paste
journalism. They don't ask questions of you know, those in positions of leadership
and authority in Australia, those in the Australian government. So whilst my gripe
with the media is that they don't exercise their due diligence on the topic as
frequently as they should, to their credit, they do cover it and they
do have folks that are well known to us in the community, like Jeremy
Corbell, John Greenwell Jr. They have folks come on and provide some commentary
on the US landscape. So I would put it down to the fact that
with everything that's happened in the last several years with the US that information has
flowed through to the Australian public. I see now, I know you're ufologists,
are UFO researcher, and we're going to talk a little bit about Westall
and maybe a few other cases. But let's hear about who you are and
what got you interest in the topic of UFOs to begin with. Yeah,
So, I mean, I've had a fascination for this topic really ever since
I was a young fellow. I forty five years of age now, and
in the mid eighties, when I was around about six or seven or eight,
I can't remember the exact year, but my father took me to a
photo exhibition, a UFO photo exhibition that was being held at Australia's tallest skyscraper
called Center Point Tower, which is kind of comparable with I guess the Space
Needle in Seattle kind of looks really similar. And so there was this photo
exhibition which I found out only a few years ago that renowned Australian ufologist or
researcher, Bill Chalker was provided some consultancy in the organization of that photo exhibition.
But coming back to the point that you're in this photo exhibition, there
are a lot of black and white photos blown up on canvas and displayed around
the photo exhibition of these famous sightings and cases over the of the decades past.
And one of them was the black and white McMinnville photo from the fifties.
And I've said this a number of times before, but I really just
lost myself, Yeah, that's the one. Lost myself in that photo,
and just imagining what it would have been like to be in the in the
shoes of the ranch or of the farmer, to take that photo and see
what happened before, during, and after that event. And then obviously growing
up as a teenager in the nineties, you know, I was a fan
child of the X Files. You know, Wednesday night, nine pm every
week, you'd watch it. Then you have a big debrief with your schoolmates
the next day. And then my interest kind of ebbed and flowed in the
years thereafter, and for like so many folks. It wasn't really until you
know, the bombshell New York Times articles of December twenty seventeen that that really
piqued my interest. And obviously then throughout COVID, you know, so many
of us were spending so much more time at home and you know, not
able, certainly for me in Melbourne, not able to get outside and enjoy
the fresh air. I kind of just became a sponge on the topic to
the to the disinterest or distaste of my wife. And I've always said,
you know, marriage and the UFO topic does not always go hand in hand,
but she's come to appreciate my interest. But you know, I just
really became a sponge on the topic during COVID and trying to learn really as
much as I could from as many as I could during that period. And
you know, following obviously, there was a three day live stream event in
September of twenty twenty two called the Big Phone Home. I was a Big
Phone Home too. I was prying, yeah, yeah, right, and
I remember seeing, you know, it was the time zone difference wasn't all
that friendly for me. So I had a lot of watch a lot of
the stuff in the middle of the night. But that event really inspired me
to get off my ass, you know, rather than sit on the bench,
to get in the game and not be a passive observer but be an
active participant and activate myself and engage my elected representatives on the topic, to
really see what Australia is doing about the UAP UFO topic, and sadly,
Australia is doing very very little. So that's kind of been my driving force
for a number of years now, is to engage my elected representatives and members
of the media to advocate that they tape the topic more seriously and ask questions
of those that are in positions of leadership and authority in Australia, because Australia
is, you know, the US's closest ally. I mean, we're the
closest of allies, but we couldn't be further apart on the UAP issue.
You know, Australia pretty much is in lockstep with the US on every defense
initiative, but it will not touch the UAP topic. And that's been a
question that I've been puzzling to find an answer on for a number of years
and that's kind of where I am today, trying to you know, dig
francewers as to why Australia has been so lackluster on its interest for the topic.
I think that's a strange just in the way that there is so much
obviously so much public interest per capita. As I mentioned earlier, you know,
so many people listened to my show from there, so it really I'm
really surprised at that. And is there anything you can attribute to that to
Yeah, it's a good point because not a lot of people know this,
but Australia has almost as long as a history investigating the uap UFO topics as
the US does, you know, dating back to the early nineteen fifties,
in the years following Roswell, you know, the Australian Air Force and the
now defunct Department of Supply, they were there was a policy implemented. It
was called a UAS policy in Australia. It was referred to as unusual aerial
sightings as opposed to US as opposed to UFOs, because there were a lot
of UAS UFO sighting over sensitive military installations in Australia in the nineteen fifties,
in the nineteen sixties, and Ross Coultart talks about these on number of occasions
in his book In plain Sight, You've got Woomera, you have mari Linga
where the Brits were permitted to detonate i think five nuclear blasts without telling the
indigenous population. And there was a lot of anomaloist activity observed and are reported
over these sensitive, top secret military installations in the fifties and sixties. So
you know, there was a gentleman by the name of also by the name
of Harry Turner, who veteran researcher, Bill Chalker, has done a ton
of ton of work on and I've had the good fortune of learning from Bill
directly, and you know, he's certainly been a great mentor for me.
But Harry Turner took a very he was an Australian nuclear scientist. He took
a very keen interest in the UFO topic, and he was permitted to see
the Australian Air Force's you know, secret documents reports of UFOs, and he
took it upon himself to really start to investigate the topic from an Australian context,
to the point where he even made a recommendation to the Joint Intelligence Organization
the JO and the Directorate of Air Force Intelligence that they consider implementing a rapid
intervention team like a crash retrieval team. So Harry Turner was taking this topic
very very seriously, and unfortunately all of the recommendations that he made unfortunately fell
on deaf is because the you know, the Air Force and Directorate of Air
Force Intelligence and JO they caught wind of him supporting the work of Donald Kehoe,
who had made some hypotheses that will perhaps UFOs are of an extra tre
origin. And the fact that Harry Turner just referenced Donald Keeho's work or supported
it in that fashion, his findings and all of his work was kind of
brushed to the wayside, and his work for on deaf ears, which was
really unfortunate. Then essentially fast forward to nineteen ninety three where a policy recommendation
change was submitted to the Chief of Air Staff which is now known as the
Chief of Air Force, and there was a recommendation made that the Royal Australian
Air Force cease its ongoing investigation into UFOs because it could not find any compelling
or scientific or other compelling reason to continue to devote resources to the ongoing investigation
of the topic. And sadly, that policy was implemented. That policy recommendation
was implemented in nineteen ninety six, and that's when the Royal Australian Air Force
washed its hand and basically said, move along, folks, there's no thing
to see here. So has What is puzzling to me is that the Royal
Australian Air Force in the Australian Department of Defense continues to bury its head in
the sand on this topic and basically toe the line of move along, folks,
there's nothing to see here, and continue to reiterate the line that they've
said in nine and ninety six that there's no compelling or scientific reason for us
to continue to vote resources well that the problem there is that the Australian Department
of Defense and Royal Australian Air Force has not investigated reports of UFOs since nine
ninety six, up until May of this year, where doctor Sean Kirkpatrick of
Arrow conducted the first ever five Eyes forum on UAP. Prior to May of
this year, Australia had not had any engagement publicly that we're aware of with
the United States on UFOs UAP, and it had not been privy to any
of the classified information housed within the classified reports provided to Congress by the ODNI,
and there was this document that I was able to secure for release through
the Freedom of Information Act in Australia, one of the most significant documents that's
come out of the Australian Department Defense in more than thirty years. That basically
confirmed that the Royal Australian Air Force had a strategic narrative, specifically that UAP
UFOs must be one of three things. It made this determination without having done
investigated the topic, being exposed to classified info or engaged in the US.
They came to the conclusion that UAP are likely to be natural or other benign
phenomena. That was the first number two censor errors with surveillance equipment, and
three human made technologies which could include foreign adversarial systems. There was no reference
whatsoever in that Chief of Air Force brief on UAP that UAP could be anything
other than those three things. There was no catch or other bin that the
ODN I indicated in its preliminary assessment on UAP back on the twenty fifth of
June twenty twenty one. So that's been a real sense of frustration for me
trying to understand why Australia, the US's closest ally, is so reluctant to
acknowledge that a conversation needs to be had on UAP, that it should be
investigated, and that a conclusion should be reached as to what UAP are.
Because the US Department of Defense and Congress has reiterated time and time again that
UAP pose a national security threat and safety of flight risk, and that UAP
is not isolated to the United States or North America. It's an international issue.
So why Australia continues to bury its head in the sand on the topic
is completely perplexing. There's a couple of reasons why I think that is the
case that they're so reluctant, which I can speak to a fewish, but
that kind of gives a bit of a brief history on Australia's past in terms
of the uapuf A topic. Well, you know, it's similar. You
think about some of the things that happened in the United States as far as
our Air Force nineteen sixty nine. You flipped the last two digits ninety six
sixty nine, that, yeah, is when they concluded basically the same.
However, you know, going all the way back into nineteen forty seven,
was the first document that came out that said that, you know, these
are not imaginary. You know, so our government has been aware of this
and kind of acknowledges it, you know, back and forth over the years,
not so much until the last you know year, when we have this
you know, this hearing in DC. But you know, in ninety seven,
you're right, the bombshell article that hit the New York Times really did
change so much, you know, when you really think about it. For
my own personal level and that whole situation, it's like I felt finally comfortable
enough to talk about it to people that normally I wouldn't, you know,
where the topic has come up. I'm a fine art appraiser and I work
in homes, you know, a lot, and usually it's very affluent people
that are having these appraisals, and you know, I am not so afraid
to bring up the topic if it works, you know, and it has,
it has a number of times, and you know, there's definitely the
stigma has worn down quite a bit. Well, you're right, I think,
and that goes to you know, it's kind of safety in numbers now
isn't it. And strength in numbers where so many more people have been exposed
to this topic, and see how seriously it's been taken. It's not about
you know, the green little men anymore, that conversation, even though that's
a huge part of it, David Grush's claims, and it's great that members
of Congress are taking those allegations and claim seriously. But you're right, you
can, I think. I mean, I was always very hesitant and reluctant
to talk to friends, colleagues, family, or people I just met on
the street about the topic out of fear of ridicule and stigma. And you
know, slowly, very very slowly, those walls of stigma are starting to
fall around this topic. And I've said this story a number of times.
You know. I'm originally from Sydney, live in Melbourne now in Australia,
and I was traveling to Sydney a year or two ago and I was doing
some research on the time on the Phoenix Lights. I was reading a book
by doctor lyn Key Tye, and I was going through the security checkpoint screening
with my carry on baggage and I had the book in my carry on and
they screened my bag and they wanted to go through it, and the screener
saw the book in my carry on, and before you know it, we'd
dived into a whole conversation about the Phoenix lights and uap UFOs, and you
know, we ended up having probably a conversation with good five or ten minutes
in between him screening other bags, and it was just, you know,
there was no ridicule, there was no stigma attached to it. So I
think people would be surprised as to how open others are in having a conversation
on this topic because of everything that's happened over the course of the last you
know, six seven years. And also another thing, when that topic comes
up, I'm never surprised at how many people will say, oh, yeah,
well, my uncle, you know how this, you know, that
type of thing happened back in you know, in eighteen seventies or whatever.
There are so many people that this has that have have had encounters. I
forget. I read something recently where it's in the hundreds of thousands of encounters
that have been reported. Now granted probably you know, five percent of those
are totally unexplained, but still, you know, the old saying goes,
you only need one you know exactly, that's right, and they're the ones
that we're interested about it. It's not you know, Project blue Book closed
its doors with still what was it, two or three percent of cases unresolved,
and you know that also echoes true with the Australian Royal Australian Air Forces
your UAS policy. It closed its doors on investigating UFOs as I mentioned in
nine to ninety six, despite the fact that it could not reach a ready
there was no ready explanation as to what about three percent of their cases were.
So you're there the three percent that we care about. It's those anomalous
reports that we want. And and this is kind of to echo what doctor
Sean Kirkpatrick, now the former head of URRO said when he testified before Kirsten
Gillibrand's committee in April of last year. His goal, his goal with ARRA
at the time was to get cases to a point where they could resolve it
and turn it into an s SEP someone else's problem, and pass it on
to someone else. But they're not the ones that we care about. We
care about the two three percent that are truly an ANOYMN anomalist is the word
I'm trying to get out, and we want to learn more about those cases.
So you know, it's just amazing that it's taken. It took as
long as it did for ARRA to get a public facing website up and running,
and to this day, I mean there's and there's not a whole lot
of content on that website pertaining to cases that they have been able to resolve.
And you know that the lack of communication strategy is telling. I mean,
they've had one post on social media on x since July twenty twenty two,
so I think they've really fallen short of meeting the general public's expectation of
being as transparent as it could on the topic. Well when I don't know
if they have the I don't believe they have the permanent chair of our row,
Sean Kinpatrick's permanent replacement there yet, but they've only got an acting acting
director, so I think that's Tim Phillips. I don't think they have appointed
yet a full time replacement, but hopefully, who knows what that new installed
director will be. Hopefully they'll be a little bit more ambitious and aggressive than
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick was because I think he was very I mean every time.
I mean I've never met the guy, don'd know him, but just from
an observational perspective, at face value, whenever he spoke, he sounded like
he really didn't want to be there or talking about the topic. So you
know, hopefully the next person that comes along is going to be a little
bit more proactive than reactive on on on the topic. You know, I
understand when he said. I've heard him say two or three times that he'll
go wherever the evidence points him. And I think that's you know, that's
only fair, and that's that's the you know, a proper response. But
I didn't see the ambition, and I saw a lot of more or less
closed mindedness, you know, kind of rear it's uglyhad a few times,
and you know, and the statements he made about David Rush and things like
that, you know, we're pretty negative and uh, you know, not
scientific to the point where you know, the there wasn't an open mind,
you know, like it just can't you know, it can't be that type
of are I agree, and and you know, the the he said she
said kind of scenario where you know, Grusha's saying that no, he had
never received any any coals of meetings from from Arrow and end up the showing
Ko Patrick and yeah, the doctor Kirkpatrick is refuting that. So the whole
back and forth and the fact that you know, Kirsten Jillibrand was trying to
get David Grush and Sean Kirkpatrick to get together and have a conversation that didn't
happen, and the challenges that Kirsten Gillibrand herself had trying to get a sit
down face to face with David Grush. The whole debarkle over trying to you
know, not paying for travel and lodging fees to get into Washington, d
C. Was ridiculous. So yeah, yeah, you know, I think
I am hoping that the next person that comes along with RRO, you know,
is someone that we can look to to really you know, be a
bit more aggressive and proactive and take a more open, you know, skeptical
yet open tone and follow the facts wherever they lead, follow the data,
not just select data, but follow all of the data wherever it leaves.
And for him, for one of the announcements that I heard him make was
someone questioned him about the TIC TAC UFO incident and back in two thousand and
four off of I'm trying to think of the name of the island out there
in California. Yeah, right, So when they asked him about that,
and I was really shocked at his reply was, no, we have all
the data. Matter of fact, do you have all the data? You
see everything on YouTube. That's all the data we have for that. And
that's is bs. Yeah, because someone went on board the Princeton and took
the I mean not of the Princeton, on the niements I guess it was,
and took the Hawkeyes radar data bricks. So those data bricks and you
know, went somewhere and that's you know, that's some major data that they
actually do have on that. And so that that is living somewhere and someone
has that and he can he can't be unaware of that, I don't think
if he's exactly. I mean, all you need to do is listen to
listen to the testimony and what Kevin Day has said PJ. Hughes, Gary
Vorhes all of the additional sensor data that was collected on the Nimitz incident,
and it wasn't just on that day, it was ten days leading up to
that event where David Trevor and Alex Dietrich had the encounter, and then obviously
the famous tic TAC footage was taken shortly thereafter. So for Sean Kokpatrick to
come out and say that there's no additional data available to completely disingenuous. And
I mean, you know, is it possible that that data no longer exists,
has been destroyed. Possibly, but to say that the no data was
ever no other data was ever available on the tic TAC, the nimits in
its incident, is completely disingenuous. Yeah. I mean you think of all
the cases that did have information footage or radar data or whatever like that,
the big sur incident years ago where that missile was firing at you know,
a dummy warhead, you know that that type of thing going all the way
back to Gordon Cooper's you know the footage on the airbase there that they had
the Vandenburg and never saw that footage ever. Again, those types have never
been returned or where have they gone? You know? Yeah, it makes
you really makes you wonder where do they go? And maybe maybe that is
a possibility that things are destroyed, I mean for what reason? I would
have no idea, but you know, I mean for deniability, I guess
they could be disposable deniability. I think that's probably a big part of it.
I think that's a big part of why you know, those in positions
of leadership and authorn in Australia, like the Australian Minister for Defense, like
the Chief of Air Force. You know, those guys to my knowledge have
not yet even been briefed on UAP and is plausible, but deniability an element
of that possibly, you know. I mean the thing that has that I
was able to break, you know before the end of last year, was
that. And this just kind of gives you some background information on you know,
the back and forth and the hypocrisy in Australia. So on the fifteenth
of February of two thy and twenty three, so last year, the obviously
you know, in February of last year for your viewers, you remember that's
when the Chinese by balloon the thing happened and the three unidentified aerial objects were
shot down. So the fifteenth of February twenty twenty twenty three, the Chief
of Air Force was pressed by Senator Peter Wish Wilson who's the Senator Greens Senator
for Tasmania, And sadly he's the only Australian Senator to date that has taken
this topic seriously in Australian context and had the courage and gumption to ask questions
about UAP in Parliament. And so he has dating back to October of twenty
twenty one, he's been on a mission to really better understand why, like
me, the Australian Department Offense is so hesitant and reluctant to acknowledge the UAP
topic and take it more seriously, secure briefings from the United States and so
on. So fifteenth of February last year, Senator wish Wilson pressed the Chief
of Air Force, current Chief of Air Force, Air Marshal Robert Chipman,
on the Chinese by balloon incident and those three unidentified aerial objects, and the
Chief of Air Force testified that he, as the head of the Air Force,
had sought information from the Air Attache to the United States in Washington,
DC on those shootdown events, and Senator wish Wilson asked the Chief of Air
Force, well, why did you seek a briefing on those four events?
Specifically and the Chief of Air Force's response was, well, we wanted to
better understand the intent, the source of those objects and more importantly, see
what learnings we could gain from the US Department of Defense's responses to those incidents,
which the US Department Defense has reiterated time and time again they were shot
down or even President Biden said this that the Chinese by balloon was brought down
because of the national security risk, and those three unified aerial objects were brought
down because of a safety of flight risk. Now rewind the clock back to
the twenty fifth of June twenty twenty one odeonized preliminary assessment on UAP, and
it states that UAP clearly pose the safety of flight risk and pose a potential
national security rest risk. And that was reiterated and echoed by Representative Ogle's questioning
of David Grush, Ryan Graves and David Frever and in July of last year
at the Congressional Hearing that UAP clearly pose a national security threat. Well,
why is the Australian Department Offense or the Royal Australian Air Force courtesy of the
Chief of Air Force, why is it seeking a briefing and information on the
shootdown of the Chinese Bible and those three unidentified aerial objects which clearly represent a
national security threat and safety flight risk, yet it won't seek a briefing from
the United States on UAP which represent exactly the same threat safety of flight and
national security threat. And it was only in you know, it was in
July of last year, the nineteenth of July that the Australian Department of Defense
respond to a question on notice, a written question that Senator wish Wilson had
submitted in June of last year, asking well did Australia attend the inaugural Five
Eyes Forum on UAP led by Row in May twenty twenty three, And the
response that came back from the Department of Defense was Australia did not attend a
United States briefing on UAPs and that's a verbatim quote. Fast forward to the
fifteenth of December of only last year, and the Australian Department Defense responded to
a follow up a number of follow up questions on notice that Senator wish Wilson
had submitted I believe on the second of November, and the response was that
the question was did the Australian Department of Defense receive an invitation from ROW to
attend the Five Eyes Forum on UAP in May twenty twenty three. And that's
a paraphrasing of the question. The the response that came back to that question
was yes in that it did receive an invitation and the response was a Defense
representative based at the Australian Embassy in Washington, d C attended. So why
those contradicting statements. There's a complete one to eighty why basically the lie back
in July of twenty twenty three and an about face in December of last year.
So one of two things is happening. There is some pure deception being
played by the Australian Department of Defense. They've lied to a sitting Senator and
Australian taxpayers. And or there is some catastrophic incompetence taking place where the Australian
Department Defense is not exercising its due diligence to find out, well, did
we even attend the Five Eyes Forum on VP? Did they do the homework
and search and go for answers to that question? And I think it's a
combination of the two, which doesn't really instill a lot of confidence in a
sitting senator like Senator wish Wilson going forward that they're questions and basically he's a
member. Senator wish Wilson's a member of the Senate Estimates Committee for Defense,
Foreign Affairs, and Trade, comparable with kind of like the House Oversight Committe
in the US. It scrutinizes taxpayers dollars where they're being spent on government projects.
So it doesn't really instill a whole lot of confidence in Senatate wish Wilson
and other senators going forward that their questions are going to be taken seriously and
that there'll be a degree of due diligence exercised by the Department of Defense to
find answers to the questions that they're asking on behalf of their constituents. So
I suspect Senator wish Wilson is going to have some rather pointed and pertinent questions
for the Australian Department Defense at the next Senate Estimates which is next month in
February, to get to the bottom of why that significant discrepancy, why that
deception, why that lack of due diligence to answer the Senator's questions back in
July as opposed to doing a backflip into lost you so there are two things
that are a big concern in in an Australian context. Wow, you know
there's there's a lot of similarities here. It seems like, you know,
there's a lot of it has been a lot of double talk, and I've
often pondered, and it's only an opinion. I have no evidence to back
it up of any kind at all. But I've always thought that our government
probably knows a lot more than their sharing, but they don't know everything.
And I wondered, I think there's still one of the reasons that the Air
Force has not really gotten too involved at all our Air Force is because they
can't really tell us exactly what they are. I believe, you know,
it's all speculation. I wondered if you felt a similar feeling about your government
as far as they may know more than yeah, hundred percent. I suspect
that the Australian intelligence community knows a hell of a lot more than the Australian
Department of Defense does. So the Australian Defense Force Services, the Army,
the Navy, the Air Force, and Defense Space Command which now no longer
falls up under the remit of the Royal Australian Air Force, it's now Joint
Operations Command. But the defense services, those four that I just mentioned,
I suspect they know not nearly as much as the intelligence community in Australia.
We're talking about the Australian Signals Directorate, we're talking about the National Geospatial Organization
or the equivalent of the n GA in the States. You've got ASIS,
You've got the Australian Security Intelligence Organization Organization ASIA, You've got the Office of
National Intelligence O and I, and you've got the Defense Intelligence Organization. I
suspect those intelligence community bodies know a hell of a lot more or on the
uap UFO topic than we the Australian general public know about. And that's you
know what I'm trying to seek clarification and confirmation of is well, what does
the not just the Australian Department Defense know, but what does Australian intelligence community
know about UAP Sadly, that's going to be a very hard question to get
an answer to because all of the intelligence communities in Australia are exempt from foryer
exempt from freedom of Information Act. So you know, as a private citizen,
I'm never going to get any information out of those intelligence community services.
However, a sitting senator that has the appropriate clearances to hear classified information,
like the likes of perhaps the Senator Wish Wilson and others that are on the
Senate Estimates for Defense, Foreign Affairs, and Trade, well they can ask
questions and they maybe are able to have those questions answered in a class fired
setting. So it's important that folks that need to know that earned positions of
leadership and authority afforded that information. And if the intelligence community knows more than
it is it is shared with the Australian public, then it's imperative that our
elected representatives that have those clearances provided that information as well. Right right,
we have. That's very and that's and and this is very similar to what's
going on in the in the US at the moment. I mean not to
cut you off, but obviously you know, we've just had the House Oversight
Committee sixteen members of that committee attend a skiff meeting with the Inspector General for
the Intelligence community, and all of them, a lot of them have come
out of that that hearing sounding somewhat more taking a more serious tone in in
in how they felt that hearing went compared to the last skiff meeting they had
with the Inspector General for the DoD. So it sounds like, you know,
if you just look at what you representative or Jared Moskovich came out of
that skiff hearing and posted on x OR put a tweet out saying that he
basically now believes or feels that you know, what was his quote he said,
Jared Moskovitz's quote was based on what we have, Based on what we
heard, many of Grush's claims have merit. So it's good to see that.
It sounds like those members that attended of that house services like community that
attended the skiff have reached a greater level of assurance knowing that the claims that
Grush has made deemed is the reasons why the Inspector General deemed those you know,
the complaint as urgent and credible. And it sounds like, you know
that they've got a course of action that they want to pursue going forward.
I mean, you just look at what Anna Paulina Luna has put out basically
saying, you know, I feel confident that we have enough evidence to move
forward with our field hearing. We will be announcing more soon. So it
sounds like, you know, members of the House of Psite Committee have whilst
all their not all their questions were answered, because obviously they don't have all
the appropriate clearances to hear everything that's classified that the Inspector General is aware of
pertaining to David Grush's claims. It sounds like they're now, you know,
they have a plan of attack to continue to move the needle forward and get
to the bottom of really what's going on. And it's just so frustrating that,
you know, July of last year, David Grush testified before the househover
Psyche Committee in Congress, and to this date, you know, they still
not have been afforded the appropriate clearances, even if it's just a one time
reading to hear David Grush's testimony classified testimony in a skiff as it pertains to
waste fraud and abuse. And that's exactly what the House Overside Committee is charged
with. Its mission is to expose waste fraud and abuse and mitigate the potential
for waste fraud and bruce going forward and it's how can it exercise oversight when
it is not allowed to see the classified information? Uh? That that that
David Grush, you know, has has uh has indicated that he is.
That's that he's he's aware of. You know, it's just crazy that there's
this, there's this, this this stone walling going on in the US by
the intelligence community and those in US D O D that are just hampering efforts
for House Overside Committee to do it, to to fulfill its congressional Right.
Well, we just there was just a closed UAP meeting for the House you
know, let's see House members. So I think sixteen out what's that?
Yeah, and and from all accounts, sixteen uh so about thirty four percent
of the entire houseover Side Committee sixteen members attended that skiff meeting by you know,
conducted by I think it's the Inspector General Monheim for the Intelligence community.
So yeah, you've got a pretty you've got a turnout, more of a
turnout at this skiff meeting than those that attended the House of Side Committee hearing
in July of last year. So yeah, that should tell you something in
itself, right, Right, So I think we should shift gears this has
been really fascinating. But I'd like to talk about some Australian cases. And
I know you've done a lot of work. I've had Shane Ryan on a
number of times on the show. A great guy. I know that you
know him. The west All nineteen sixty six. I want to say,
is when that that's six of April, six of April nineteen sixty six,
would you say that's basically Australia's Roswell or yeah, I would say it's Australia's
roswell and it's Australia's aerial school. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah,
that's a good connection. It's a fascinating case. And you know, coming
into you trying to be a sponge and learners as much as I could on
this topic from as many as I could, I didn't really know a whole
lot about the west All incident coming into it. I've not heard of it.
I knew the background information, but it wasn't until I saw you A
few people had suggested I maybe look into it. I watched a wonderful documentary
that Shane Ryan, who's really been the lead investigator researcher on west All for
more than a decade now for men many years. There are other great researchers
that have done some wonderful work on Westall, Keith Basterfield, Bill Chalker,
Ross Coultant as well, but Shane Ryan has really carried the torch to continue
to try and uncover information on the west All Incident. And so I reached
out to Shane Ryan just to kind of pick his brain and get some good
background information from him, and he suggested to me. He told me about
an annual reunion event that a small number of the west All Incident witnesses,
the Western Witnesses kind of you put together and attend each year. And you
know, obviously over COVID there was a bit of a hiatus on that reunion
event. But Shane Ryan told me about a reunion event that they had planned
for and this is going back in April of last year, and I thought,
oh, well, well, I'll just go along as a member of
the general public, and you know, I would love to hear what they
have to say. And so I took you know, I went along.
I took my little iPhone with me, thinking maybe I'll get a couple of
comments on camera, and before I knew it, there was quite a decent
turnout of other members of the general public that were curious like I was,
and I was just fascinated to hear what these primary witnesses had to recount,
you know, the stories that they had to share, their recollections, and
many of them were very very giving in All of them actually were very generous
in giving of their time, and they accepted they were willing to go on
camera. So I just had MyPhone with me, put that on record and
just asked. I felt bad because I was kind of you gunning them with
tons of questions, but I was able to get all of this wonderful commentary
and testimony from these primary witnesses which they'd kind of shared before in Shane Ryan's
great documentary west All sixty six, A Suburban UFO Mystery, A really good
introduction for anyone that doesn't know much about the west Or case. It's a
great documentary. It was also obviously covered by James Fox's great documentary The Phenomenon
number of years ago twenty twenty, So you know, I captured a lot
of footage of these primary witnesses just talking about their recollections of the day,
their memories, and they were all willing to go on camera, So I
had quite a number of hours of footage that I was able to then edit
and compile down into about almost a ninety minute mini documentary, kind of like
just a long form format of them answering questions and talking about their experience,
and I found them all to be incredibly compelling. The one thing that is
very frustrating that I gathered from all of them is that, you know,
now fifty eight years after the incident, which happened on the sixth of April
nineteen sixty six, they're also still very frustrated that they were told on the
day and in the days following to shut up about it. They weren't allowed
to talk about the incident. Why Why weren't they allowed to talk about it?
If it was something as prosaic as a weather balloon or a high bower
balloon, a high altitude balloon, which there were, there were launchings from
Mildura in north of kind of north west of Victoria, where they conducted in
coordination with the Department of Energy in the United States and even NASA. They
used these high altitude balloons to conduct scientific testing, atmospheric testing, even try
and smell remnants of detect radioactivity in the air following detonation of nuclear blasts in
the Pacific region in the Pacific, And so there was a hypothesis put forward
by great research of Keith Basterfield that High Bow should be considered as ap plausible
explanation. And I'm respectful respect the great work that Keith did to put that
forward as a hypothesis. And that's all. He positioned it as a hypothesis.
He doesn't know what it is if it was or wasn't, but that
was a hypothesis. But the thing that's so frustrating is that fifty eight years
after the west Or incident, to date, no official record or explanation has
ever been provided by the Australian federal government, state government or local governments.
There's been no official documentation on the incident at all that has seen the light
of day, despite the fact and Ross Coulthard has said this a number of
times along with Shane Ryan, despite the fact that the now defunct Department of
Supply was more than rumored was it was confirmed that they investigated the we incident
fairly comprehensively and compiled a fairly significant report. Now that report on the Western
incident by the Department of Supply has never seen the light of day. If
it was so prosaic, and if it was, you know, some say
it was high bou or some top secret technology back in the sixties. Well
that technology is obviously rudimentary now and it's no longer of top secret nature,
So why not release information pertaining to what it was. If it was prosaic.
There's been no documentation or ever any record provided by any government agency,
and that's been part of the frustration. But if you talk to and you
know, those primary witnesses, and even if you watched them on the phenomenon,
you know West or sixty six, or even the documentary that I did,
you know, many of them are a pretty much adamant in the fact
that they saw something that resembled a flying saucer. It resembled the shape of
a flying saucer. One of the witnesses said, it almost looked translucent,
translucent in nature. It moved in ways that some of them could not explain
or reconcile with technology that they would have seen. Light aircraft which flew over
the school repeatedly. You know, Meraban Airport was only a couple of kilometers
away, so you were clearly able to hear and identify light aircraft flying over
the school and the alleged landing site area of the grange, which was about
a mile south of the school, and you would be able to identify,
you know, other prosaic objects like weather balloons, like hot air balloons,
which the children knew what those objects looked like, but they weren't able to
reconcile what this was that they saw that they saw above the skies above in
the skies above their school, and that was reported to have descended or even
landed in this densely wooded area known as the Grange, about a mile south
of the school. So what the west All incident? What can be attributed
to what they saw on the sixth of April nineteen sixty six above their school
in Westall at the Grange. I don't know. I wasn't there, but
I certainly find their testimony incredibly compelling, and the fact that there's a complete
lack of any documentary evidence fifty eight years after that that makes it an enduring
mystery and one of those long standing cold cases. Yes, yeah, that's
really there's so many puzzles and I know that I believe this was the incident
where the girl was kind of whists away and night scene, but they had
been able to locate her. Is that true? Yeah, So her name
was Tanya Vassi and she was actually brought forward by Ross Coulta only a few
years ago. So she came forward. There were reports that she was you
know, uh whisked away. She was taken away in an ambulance and then
she she left the school abruptly and no one ever heard from her again.
I think that that account has been disputed since obviously the documentary, So I
don't know the truth behind those those claims, but she certainly came forward only
a few years ago and spoke briefly about you know, her recollections of the
day. But you know what is what is also incredibly interesting is that you
had reports from several of the primary witnesses of a military presence on site at
the school in a very short time after the anomalous object or objects, because
some indicated that up to three objects were seen, not just the one,
That there was a military presence on site after it happened and for a number
of days, and that were there were even some folks that appeared to be
military officials or even government officials that were, you know, telling people to
shut up about it. I mean, you had one of the one of
the children, I believe it was Tanya, Tanya Vassie, I can't quite
recall, but she was taken into a room in the in the school and
she was asked questions by two folks in suits, which she stated one of
them she was able to identify had a distinct American accent. So why is
a Yank? Why is an American on site investigating a prosaic you know,
sighting and you had there not surprising at all. No, well, there
you go, and you know you've got the the But then also, you
know, it wasn't just children that observed the flying saucer or flying sources.
You had a young teacher by the name of Andrew Greenwood who is twenty years
of age on the day of the incident, and he was also He also
came forward only a couple of years ago on a documentary that Ross Coulta did
on the Western Incident, and he has stated that only a day or a
few days after the incident, he had some folks in military uniforms come knocking
on his door at his house, unsolicited, uninvited, asking him to not
yeah, telling him to shut up, not talk about the incident, because
if he did, it would be very easy for people to then come to
the conclusion that he was drunk on the day of the incident and that he
was an alcoholic. So they've basically given him this veiled threat that if you
talk about at it, you're going to lose your job and no one's going
to take you seriously going forward. Yeah, hang on, just one minute,
just one second here. First of all, is that documentary available.
It is, Yes, So when you missed it was done by sir Ross
Coulton has done at I'm sorry, I apologize. I mean the one that
you did. Oh yes, no, certainly so. It's called The west
All Witnesses and it's it on YouTube my YouTube channel if you just type into
YouTube my name or the Unexplained Rundown, which is the name of my podcast.
One of the videos you'll find there is called The west All Witnesses.
All right, I will put that link that in the show notes as well
as below this YouTube and this video. What I'd like to do right now
is say goodbye to everyone at kg ra A Radio. We'll see you next
week and I will continue on a little longer. I have a doctor job
SAFA on next week for a guest. So let's continue on a little longer
if you don't mind, because again, thank you all at KGr A Radio
and so so to continue on, I'd like to ask you about as far
as this case, there's really been nothing relevant except for that teacher finally talking
about it and coming forward. And was this also the case where they took
the camera from someone or they took film or something out of a camera.
Yeah, so it was also alleged that another teacher by the name of I
can't remember her name, but there was another teacher that was alleged to have
taken photographs on a camera during the incident. But like any you know,
good UFO case, that camera was confiscated. If the allegation is to be
to believe to be true, that camera was confiscated and that photographic evidence has
also never seen the light of days, so you know there is if And
to go one step further, the Channel nine, which is one of our
legacy news medias in Australia, they were on site on the school in the
afternoon that day, a journalist was on site with a cameraman and they were
interviewing a number of the children, and they would and that night on the
news they aired their story of what the children had seen that day at west
Ole High School. And that broadcast has also disappeared since the broadcast on the
night of the sixth of April ninem sixty six. Now, Shane Ryan is
of the belief that it's quite possible that that broadcast was simply destroyed in accordance
with retention policies. Years passed, But you would think something that is potentially
so significant, because there were some articles in the you know, local newspapers
in the days following the Western incident on the on the on the siding,
on the incident itself. But to your question, you know, the alleged
photographic evidence that was taken on a camera by one of the other teachers that
was confiscated again never seen the light of day. So another piece of the
puzzle that makes it just an enduring mystery. Do you recall if any of
the witnesses had any like other sightings along the way, Did they any of
them talk about them having other things in their lives, you know happened since
that time. It's a good question. No, I didn't ask that question.
I only I only asked them specifically about their recollections on that day,
the sixth of Aprah nineteen sixty six. I wouldn't be able to tell you
either way if they've had any other experiences pre or post that that day.
But you know, they were all those that were there on the day of
the reunion event that I was able to get on camera. On the day
of the incident. Most of the children were, you know, twelve thirteen
years of age. There was, but it wasn't all school children that saw
the object above the Westall High School. It was also Andrew Greenwood, as
I mentioned, the teacher. And there was also Paul Smith, who was
a sixteen year old working in the market gardens that were adjacent to the grange
area, this wooded area where it was alleged to a descended or landed or
hovered on the ground. He was sixteen years of age on the day of
the sighting and he was not associated with the school children. And then you
have there are other witnesses that were offsite, not on the school, not
in the market gardens, that also saw something in the sky above Westerll High
School. The one of the primary witnesses I spoke to on the day,
her name was de Satok. She was a student. She was about twelve
thirteen years of age. On the day of the incident. She was at
a school that was several miles away from Westall High School, and during her
recess break, she looked up in the skies and she saw something anomalous that
resembled a flying saucer. She saw it was clearly a flying saucer when it
banked and kind of turned on its side to move. So she wasn't even
at Westle High School and she saw something. So it's not just isolated to
the children and these small number of teachers at Westle High School. You've got
cooperative evidence from a number of different folks from different backgrounds, different ages that
saw something on the day. And today, to Shane Ryan's credit, he
has now interviewed and uncovered I believe he spoke with up to one hundred and
eighty witnesses of the of the west All incident. And so you know,
he's done a remarkable, remarkable job to bring forward so many people. You
know, more than just the handful of school children that were willing to come
out early on and talk about what they saw. So there is you know,
over time, more and more people, I think maybe feel more comfortable
to talk about what it is they saw on the day, and hopefully that
continues to happen as well. So, now, did anyone go where this
thing either hovered or landed in the grange and try to you know, gets
to see if there's any type of trace evidence. Yeah, So it was
reported that where there were three students I can't remember their names, but it
is covered in the phenomenon Rosscooltat's documentary on seventh Spotlight and west All sixth that
Shane Ryan did that there were three school children that ran to the grange area
where this object was reported to have seen descending or hoverde of the One of
the girls reported seeing it had landed in the grange and then it kind of
banked on an angle and just shot up at an incredible rate of speed.
What is interesting is that on the day of the reunion event April of last
year, the primary witnesses it took place at the grange. They took those
members of the general public, including myself that were there on the day.
We all walked to the alleged landing site. So it's a clearing at the
southeast corner of the grange, and it's just it was reported that there was
and they say this in the documentary I did, that they saw a symmetrical
circle an imprint of flattened grass where this craft was alleged to have hovered or
landed. So and then you have reports from some folks that military were on
site in the day, later the day and the days following in that area
with Geiger counters, with metal detectors, that soil samples were dug up and
taken off site. Why would you need to do that if it was something
that was prosaic in nature, you know, other than if it was some
you know, top secret technology that was being used to detect atmospheric conditions on
a high bower that crashed and they didn't want anyone to retrieve it. Maybe
I don't know, but that seems less plausible to me based on the fact
that you would think school children and a sixteen year old market gardener would be
able to discern a deflating high bar balloon. And it's really hard for people
to appreciate the environment unless they're actually there on site, you know, having
been now on site at the school and at the grange and see how low
light aircraft fly above you. It's it's it's implausible for me to think that
children would not have been able to identify it as a deflating balloon if it
did, you know, descend towards the grange, well, it's coming towards
the ground. Paul Smith would have seen, you know, I believe he
would have seen and been able to identify it as a balloon. And he
has said categorically when I asked him the question. You know, some have
said that it's a high valley says, no, it wasn't a balloon.
It certainly wasn't a balloon. So but but yes, to your question,
there was there, There was a room. It alleged to be trace evidence
this imprint and imprint in the flattened grass. Soil samples were taken. That
area was closed off to for a number of days, and you even had
reports of and this is what I tried to cover off in my little documentary,
is that parallel to the southeast corner of the grange where this alleged landing
site is there's a golf course called the Spring Valley Golf Club, and that
golf course has not changed all that much significantly since since nineteen sixty six.
So I wanted to know well and it was reported and Shane Ryan has reported
this. He got in touch with the son of a groundskeeper who was working
at the golf course on the day of the incident, and the groundskeeper's son
reported to Shane Ryan that when his dad came home that day, he was
told that there were a number of golfers on the eighth hole that observed something
in the skies descending towards the grange and it was anomalous to them. They
weren't able to identify what it was. So I was very curious to see,
well, what was the perspective that these golfers potentially what would they have
potentially seen through their eyes, what would their point of view or perspective been
On the day, the sixth of April nineteen sixty six, so I booked
myself in for a round of golf, paid through the ass for a round,
but I was able to film from the eighth the eighth the eighth hole,
from the fairway and the green, what the perspective would have looked like
by golfers that were putting or playing the short game towards the end of the
eighth hole, to see what it may have looked like through their eyes on
the day seeing something anomalous descend into the densely wooded area known as the grange.
So I cover that element in my documentary which had never really been touched
on before. So just another added piece of the puzzle. I guess that's
interesting. So for the person out there that's listening or watching and it's not
familiar with the Westall UFO incident, I will put a link to that so
an overall Wikipedia or something in the show notes, so you'll be able to
read up on that and get more information. It's a very very interesting.
I think there were one hundreds or well over one hundred witnesses back in nineteen
sixty six in the Melbourne area at the West Dall School. So yeah,
it's a great case. What would you consider another one of your favorites that
you've looked into that happened in your country. So there's another case that I
haven't done a lot of homework on myself, but I know someone who has
George Simpson, who's another research in Australia. He authored a wonderful book called
Nothing on Radar. So it's the Frederick Valentiche case of the late nineteen seventies
where sadly he lost his life his light plane. He encountered something that was
anomalist him. He couldn't reconcile what it was, uh, and a lot
of the commentary was caught between him and air traffic control was recorded. Unfortunately,
the actual recordings have never been located. They may have been destroyed.
There's a transcript that I was made aware of. There was put into a
recreation using the transcript. But that's a fascinating case where you've got someone that's
you know, a general aviation pilot that has seen something anomalous that has engaged
his aircraft and unfortunately he Frederick Valentich Valentchs lost his lost his life. And
that's been another case that has never been resolved. So that still remains an
enduring cold case mystery as well. You know, I am yet to read
George Simpson's book, Nothing on Radar, but from what I've heard, it's
a it's a great account of that that incident. Yeah, yeah, that
is such a mystery. And you know, I mean there's the noise.
I believe, I I believe James Fox told me that he actually at one
time heard the original recording I believe, if that's possible, many years ago,
and that's h and that's gone. But yeah, that there's a lot
of reenactments. You can find that out if you're looking on YouTube. They
have reenactments of the transcript of what what happened that day. But yeah,
that's I mean one of the one of the cases that I covered on my
on my channel that I'm a big I'm a big Kurt Russell fan. For
those yeah Russell, uh, and I've taken a big interest in the Phoenix
Lights of March of nine and ninety seven. And for those that follow and
know the Phoenix Lights incident, you know, it was in twenty seventeen when
Kurt Russell was promoting Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two on the BBC's The One
Show that he came out and he revealed to the world that he was the
general aviation pilot that reported to air traffic control at sky Harbor International that he
was the pilot that reported observing the Phoenix Lights on approach to the airport,
and I found that to be incredibly fascinating. And then it was a year
later in twenty eighteen. He then went on the Jimmy Kimmel Show and talked
again about his encounter with his son Oliver Hudson seeing the Phoenix Lights. And
Kurt Russell and his family seemed to have quite an interesting connection with the UFO
topic because Goldie Horns, Kurt Russell's longtime partner, has had her own experiences
with the phenomenon, and even Kurt Russell's son, Whittet Russell, has seen
the UFOs, So I don't know if it runs in the family, but
I did a bit of a deep dive of Kurt Russell's account or sighting of
the Phoenix Lights and was able to actually uncover some new information that had never
been reported before publicly. Is that I was able to track down the pilot,
the owner of the aircraft, the Light aircraft, a single prop propeller
engine plane that Kurt flew to Phoenix on the night of the thirteenth of March
nineteen ninety seven. And for anyone that's a Kurt Russell fan out there,
this is a bit of a spoiler. But Kurt Russell did a film in
nineteen ninety six called Executive Decision where he is at the front end of the
film's he's learning how to become a general aviation pilot. So he's doing one
of his last flights with an instructor before he does his solid flight. And
if you listen to what Kurt Russell says is in that interview on the BBC's
The One program in twenty seventeen, he says three words. He says.
He basically says, I was the tails of the plane, was to Tango
Sierra, and I was the pilot, and I knew I had heard the
words to Tango Sierra before, so I consulted the oracle my Kurt Russell David
collection. And at the front end of Executive Decision Decision nine to ninety six,
there is a scene where Kurt Russell's character, David Grant is doing one
of his last flightspoort for his solo flight, and he's coming into land.
He's on approach and he during in the film, he says his call sign
of Tou Tango Sierra to air traffic control, the exact same call sign that
he revealed in that interview on the BBC's One Show, and I was able
to confirm that the plane that he flew in the film Executive Decision was the
exact plane that he flew to Phoenix on the thirteenth of March ninety oh seven.
And I know that to be the case because I was able to track
down the owner of that plane, Tutangi Sarah Tutango Sierra. His name was
John Rixey Moore. And as a fun fact, he was actually the flight
instructor in that scene with Kurt Russell in Executive Decision. He's good friends with
Kurt Russell and it was his plane that was used in the film that Kurt
Russell also flew to Phoenix when he saw the Phoenix lights. So talk about
some synchronicities there. But I just found that to be an interesting side side
story. Yeah, and if it wasn't for Goldie Hain, he would have
never recalled that whole incident. She was watching something on the Phoenix sites,
I believe, and that's what jogged his memory, like, oh yeah,
you know, I was there about the same time, and when he looked
into his logbook he figured out it was March. I mean isn't it interesting
that Kurt Court and Oliver Hudson never spoke about what they saw the Phoenix lights
after it happened. And I mean you hear that time a lot of other
they kind of just forget about it and get out with life. Yes,
and yeah, you're right. Yeah, he ever heard this documentary that that
goalie was watching on TV about the Phoenix Lights and that sparked his memory.
And then he ran and had a look at his log books because he you
know, like any good pilot, they document every single flight. And yeah,
he confirmed it. He was flying to Phoenix on the thirtieth March nine
ninety seven and he saw the Phoenix lights. Yeah. I'm just gonna pop
this up just I don't know if I can show this, but just a
couple of things. We're at the end of our show and I was actually
underneath the Chinese spy balloon when it was shot. Well, yeah, I
just happened to get out of my car, lady in Myrtle Beach. I
don't know if this shows it. I'm going to take a chance here of
this looking at the Chinese all out and when it gets over with you and
then this is when it was showing. Yeah, I actually am doing this
while they shot the balloon. It's coming. They shot the bullow. How
fascinating. There go our first hand witness. Yeah, the BBC. Actually
I put it on Twitter and the BBC got a hold of me and they
interviewed me and they did put it. It did they did publish it.
So Also, what I would say that is how frustrating is it that the
US Department of Defense will be quick to quick to release footage from a YouTube
spyplane Dragon Lady of the Chin's by balloon, and it will be quick to
release your footage of Russian jets dowsing m Q nine Reaper drones with fuel.
They'll be quick to release that footage, but they have not yet released any
of the visual, photographical, or injury footage of those three identified unidentified aerial
objects that were shot down. That's right. What does that tell you?
You know? Yeah, yeah, I know those the ones up in Alaska,
in the Yukon and all that very very strange. Also, we mentioned
Ross Coldheart a lot, and I want to say to the public that listened
to this show, my favorite podcast is Need to Know with Bryce Zabel and
Ross Coldheart. I love that show, and I listened to each one of
them, and I think for all those of you that I really like this
topic, I highly endorse that and I would like for you to check it
out. They need to know it's called and they do such a wonderful job.
Those two really great stuff. So you should be proud you got your
guy from Australia taking this so seriously and he's such a sharp I mean,
I need to know is one of my primary sources of information because, like
we were saying off air at the start, you know, with so much
that's been happening on this topic of the coolest of the last few years,
it's almost become a full time job to stay up to date with what's new
and what's breaking. And Bryce and Ross they do such a great job of
covering and recaping your what's come out, what's breaking, and the implications as
well and what to potentially think is around around the corner on the rise,
and so you know, for so many of us, Ross and Bryce serve
as a bit of a barometer as to where we are, you know,
where we're going on the topic. But I certainly echo your sentiment. Need
to know is a great, great educational platform and it certainly very informing as
well. Excellently. Well, thanks so much. It's been a real pleasure,
and thank you for all your information and good luck for your journey along
the way here. And I'm sure I appreciate it. We'll back here absolutely.
Yeah, thanks so much man for having me on and having a good
fun chat with you and sharing some insights with your viewers. I appreciate.
I appreciate the chat. Excellent. Okay, take care. So I have
been talking a lot with Markty and Tony and a few other people about the
jellyfish balloon because so many people have an interest in that, and it's possible
that it is this right here, which is actually an Islamic e Id celebration
balloon. The kind of fits that I don't think there's anything conclusive yet though
exactly what that is. It's very interesting. You know. What would really
help is if we had footage of this thing actually going into the water,
like some of the witness is that Jerey mccorbell says he has spoken to has
talked about and they actually have that footage supposedly. Now, that would really
help if we all could see that. And you know, of course it's
definitely a mystery as to what it is. Next week we have Job Safah
on Don't Forget. It's a good show. He's a scientist, will be
interesting and just in a couple of days. On Thursday night, we have
Michael Schratt joining us on UAP Crossfire. A lot of people really love it,
some people don't like it. It's myself, Christoperno, Don Ecker and
Commanded Cobra with four of us. We kind of have different points on UFO
topics. And again Michael Schrat on UAP Crash Retrievals. He was on the
show not too long to go, very well received. He will be on
that. Also, we have a treat. I've noticed tonight that my friend,
very talented musician Mark Stanley has been in the chat and joining us,
and I've known him for many years, a great guy. I'm going to
play one of his songs for the outro here, which is a little something
different for us, and I hope you enjoy it and we'll see you next
week. Remember to keep your eyes to the sky. She's so cool and
calm, it's steady, but she's as closed as nearest star. But I
got time until she's ready, I got time. It's there you are.
When I see my heart beats faster stops beating like a big beast drum every
time then I walk past it. Everything about he says, she's the one.
Everything about he says, she's the wall. She's like the sun dancing
off the water. She's like the first time that I fell in love.
I can't wait to say that I've got her. What I've waited for is
only come when I see my heartbeats faster starts beating like a big beast drum
every time that I walked past her. Everything about he says, she's the
one. Everything about since she's the wolver She's a one makes me forget where
I've been before. She's a warm and having no regrets that I've never been.
Loving life it is be let us see my heartbeats faster starts speaking like
a big bass drove every time that I walk faster. Everything about us says
she's the one. Everything about her says she's the one. Everything about us
she's she's love. She's a