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It is Saturday May eighteen, twenty twenty four. 70 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,440 Thank you again to Hope the Rapper for joining us during the first hour 71 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,919 and for giving us the honor and privilege to do his world radio premiere of 72 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,679 his new track Mama. So that was very nice. And my my Mama 73 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,519 came to visit recently. Yeah yeah, the week before day. Yeah yeah, 74 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,399 Jenny is here, of course at the news table. I was wondering 75 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,759 if you were going to go around to say that, Well, of course, 76 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,600 yeah, you waited a while you're at the news table. I am, 77 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:48,679 yes, I am, that's right. Yeah, on this late May 78 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:50,519 eighteen, twenty twenty four. Coming up in the third hour today, we've 79 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,639 got a great band coming in waylam Park is going to be joining us and 80 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,600 we will feature some of their music and get to know those guys a bit 81 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,320 they are from. So I didn't real it was actually last night during retro 82 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,799 Spectrum Radio, or it might have been after a conversation we had afterward, 83 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:07,639 but h oh, no, it was during the show, that's right, 84 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,399 Because I was plugging my show and Paul was asking me who the guests were 85 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:15,679 today and I mentioned Whale Park, and I guess that that was an actual 86 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,919 amusement park in Massachusetts. I didn't know. I didn't know that going to 87 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,159 all of those parks Paragon Park, I was, you know down Oh god, 88 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,080 all that was my youth. Yeah, I didn't know that apparently. 89 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:31,679 I assume that's where they're I assume that's where their name came from. But 90 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:37,039 we'll ask them about that when they well could be they're young though. Yeah, 91 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,840 does that park still exist? I don't know. I have no idea. 92 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,320 I'm not sure either, but we'll ask those guys when they get here. 93 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:45,159 So they will be joining us in the third hour. They have a 94 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,679 great sound and kind of eclectic too, so I really liked them a lot. 95 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,320 By the way, that track that we played too at the beginning at 96 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,519 the top of this hour was Hishen, the band that we had one of 97 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,759 the bands that we had last week on the show, New Awakens from their 98 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:09,440 album Awaken the Endless Deep, and they played last Saturday at at Terminus in 99 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,200 Nashua, and so they joined us and really fascinating. They were not in 100 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:18,200 studio with us but via phone. But the Whale and Park is playing there 101 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,519 tonight tonight. Yeah, it's hard to keep track. They're they're doing so 102 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:28,720 much there at Terminus in Nashua. But yeah, I really love this spand 103 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:33,279 Haishen and then yeah, so Whale and Park will be there tonight. We 104 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,519 should talk about what we did last Saturday where we were. Yes, we 105 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,919 were at the opening of the Resurgence out of the Botanical Juried Art Show at 106 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,960 the Mosaic Art Collective, located right here in the Queen City of Manchester. 107 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,480 It was an amazing event. I oh my god, it was. It's 108 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,679 it's still up now you can go and see the show. It lasts until 109 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,519 the end of this month, and it's so color are full. There are 110 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,480 so many amazing because of course, the whole theme of it, if you 111 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:10,519 will, had to do with flowers, and there were three florists that actually 112 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:19,080 created beautiful floral bouquets to auction off, and they were incredible and they were 113 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,799 inspired by the beauty of the artwork around the room. So those got auctioned 114 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,440 off and that was great and I won one of them. Yes, And 115 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,399 there was a funny thing about that because when you and I were heading into 116 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,279 the show, I was reminiscing as a little girl growing up with lilac bushes 117 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,080 outside the house. Because all the lilacs are in bloom right now and it 118 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,679 smellst beautifully. My sinus is can attest to that. Yes, yeah, 119 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,639 that's true. I'm sorry. I love the flowers, but I know they 120 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:52,639 are not kind to you. Yes, but I ended up winning a beautiful 121 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,279 bouquet of purple flowers with lilacs in them, and purple's my favorite color, 122 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,399 So bonus. You should go check out the show. It's the opening reception, 123 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:04,880 like we said, was last weekend. It was well attended. It 124 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,559 was a great time. Of course, they were lovely nashies to drink, 125 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,480 to eat and things to drink and so forth. If you've never been to 126 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,839 an opening at the Mosaic Art Collective, I highly highly recommend going. They 127 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,880 also have upcoming and this is just around the corner. On May twenty second, 128 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:26,559 they're having a teranium building workshop with artist Emily Roy and that's going to 129 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,559 happen on May twenty second from five forty five pm to eight pm. It's 130 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,720 forty dollars for that evening class for mechanical bliss. There is limited space, 131 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:37,279 so you know, it's only around the corner, so give give them a 132 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:44,240 call or visit the Mosaic Artcollective dot com for more information on that and on 133 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,640 that show and upcoming shows. If you are an artist, you should absolutely 134 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,599 consider submitting to one of the shows. Now. The next show coming up 135 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:56,440 will be June, and there is an open call for that. It's called 136 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,440 Lux reflecting Queer Beauty and Resilience. It's going to be for June third to 137 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:06,440 June thirtieth, with an opening reception on June eighth. So if you are 138 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,599 interested in showing your work, absolutely check it out. It's an open call. 139 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,319 It's well worth it. I'll tell you. When I first submitted, 140 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,000 I didn't think I would ever ever ever get a piece in This is going 141 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:21,519 to take me forever. So what I did actually get a piece and it 142 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,319 really felt good, and it was really amazing to be among so many wonderful 143 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 people and so many beautiful pieces of work. And you can do the same. 144 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,640 It's going to mosaic Arcollective dot com and check that out. Yes, 145 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,680 yes, very good. Oh we should mention too. In our Facebook live 146 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:44,920 chat, Spelfy Ham joins us from Terminus, which is of course part of 147 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,960 the Midnight Creative Collective. I believe we met her at the open house. 148 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:55,039 Yes, so she's saying the amusement park is gone, it's apartments now. 149 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,400 The Whalam Park that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me at all. 150 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,839 Yeah. I went home to Plymouth, Massachusetts and it's all apartment buildings. 151 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,880 Now, yeah, it blocks the ocean. I really don't like that part. 152 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,039 And she said, I love Whaleam Park. They were so excited when 153 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:11,960 I asked them to play for us. Yeah, very good. No, 154 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:15,519 we're excited to have them on the show. Yeah, Terminus is getting a 155 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:19,839 lot of great artists and this is really turning into a hot spot for music. 156 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,680 Oh. Absolutely really really checked them out, ye, also known as 157 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:30,440 the Midnight Art Collective. Are creative create Creative collective? Midnight Creative Collective? 158 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,839 Is it creative or creatives? You threw me and I threw you this is 159 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,640 not happening. But we were at the open house the Midnight Creatives Collective. 160 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,000 Yes, yes, please forgive me forgetting that wrong. Yes, yeah, 161 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,880 we were at the open house for that really really impressive and our friend Eleanor 162 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,160 and of course and Spellfie and they were doing a fantastic job. There. 163 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:59,519 I'll drop a link to Midnight Creative spacebook page right there in the chat room 164 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:03,119 for you guys. You can check it out for yourself and go and catch 165 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,480 a show. Absolutely, we've got a specific subject we're going to get into 166 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,559 a little bit here in the second hour. Our guest who we had scheduled 167 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:19,680 for today in the second hour was had to reschedule completely understandable, so that 168 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,519 will be so they will be here, just not today, so we have 169 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,839 a little bit of time. But there's always a lot of interesting things. 170 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,480 No Spelthy, I don't think we're going to be able to make it tonight, 171 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,720 unfortunately, but we will get to another show there soon. Definitely. 172 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:38,839 There's a lot going on, of course with well, we had a few 173 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,119 different options we were looking at as far as subjects we could discuss music industry 174 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,680 related, but AI continues to be a major subject. And this story really 175 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:53,319 caught my attention because this is an issue that I've actually worked on personally in 176 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,640 the past, protecting identities, protecting information, of course, not to this 177 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:03,400 extent of AI. Yeah, it's an aspect I didn't think about. Well, 178 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:08,839 yeah, nobody nobody did until relatively recently. And uh, the way 179 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,160 AI is impacting music And by the way, this is not part of the 180 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,240 main subject. I've got a story here that I want to look at, 181 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:22,119 but involving Sony music group. But as kind of a side note, I 182 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,319 don't know if I mentioned this at all on the show. I don't think 183 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,839 so. But I posted on social media about this, the new Motley Crue 184 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:32,920 song Dogs of War. There's these There's a website called The Metal Den that 185 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,480 started this that is not necessarily reputable in terms of their sourcing and whatnot, 186 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:41,680 but they started this. They put out this story claiming that that the song 187 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,119 that Bob Rock, the producer on the song create, actually created the song 188 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,480 entirely out of ai and that it's Motley Crue isn't even on the actual song. 189 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,759 But I think that's just uh, I don't think that's and play. 190 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Yeah, it's not like they're obscure. Yeah, I don't. I don't 191 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,480 think it's I don't think it's true. But it's something that this website put 192 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,680 out there and it's been circulating. There's there's all kinds of stories about there's 193 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,279 a story about now. I just saw that claiming that Scott Stapp, formerly 194 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:18,960 of Creed, actually contributed vocals to the track and that it's not really uh, 195 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:25,000 it's not really Vince Neil. Yeah, that that's a new rumor about 196 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,599 it. I don't think any of that's true. You don't know, but 197 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:32,839 I did. I mean, I understand the skepticism about Vince Neil's singing, 198 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,759 but even if he's terrible, and he is, you can fix all that 199 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,599 in the studio. You don't need to replace him with a different singer and 200 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,160 manipulate it to sound like Vince Neil. But I I did, you know, 201 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,599 Vince Neil takes a lot of crap for not being able to sing anymore, 202 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,759 basically, And I'd shared out recently on social media of video I saw 203 00:22:52,759 --> 00:23:00,440 of a recent concert that they did where they opened with Primal Screen, which 204 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,759 is my favorite Motley Crue song, And I click on the video and I'm 205 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:07,279 like, oh cool, and then Vince starts singing. It's so bad. 206 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,039 It's like he's not even singing, He's just kind of he's just kind of 207 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,400 blurting out the words. It's so so horrible, and it reminded me of 208 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,400 years ago, and it bumms me out because you know, one of my 209 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:25,759 all time favor events years ago, I saw Motley. It was the last 210 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,359 time I seen Molly cru live. It was when they did a co headlining 211 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,559 tour with Kiss and I was with Dan Randall of Dan Randall and the Randlettes. 212 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,920 If you're a listener of Retrospectu Radio, you might be familiar with Dan. 213 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,480 We went and saw them at in what was it at that point, 214 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:48,720 the Comcast Center in Uh some people still call it Great Woods to this day 215 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,799 anyway, but out in Mansfield. But we went and saw them and they 216 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,319 they played. Uh, there was a moment. See, when you're actually 217 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:03,319 there live, it's much harder too because it's live, so if someone hits 218 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:06,640 a wrong note or something, you don't really necessarily notice it unless you go 219 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,279 back later and watch it on somebody's YouTube video. But there's a moment during 220 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,839 it was Don't Go Away Mad, another one of my favorites. You know 221 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,839 the song, Yeah, girl, Don't go Away Mad. During that the 222 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,640 fast part at the end, you know how the song kind of changes at 223 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:29,400 the end, Vince Neil hit a note so sour that Dan and I actually 224 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:33,319 looked at each other like, WHOA, what was that? Anyway? So 225 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,279 he's who knows, But I'm just saying I don't think the rumor is true 226 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:44,319 about that song being created with Ais. The thing about AI though, it's 227 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,599 so hard to know what's real and what's not real these days. Well, 228 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,799 there have been examples of Yeah, of things being put out that have fooled 229 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,599 people. Yeah, were AI generated some scary stuff that could actually be used 230 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,359 to harm people. I mean this, This technology is really invasive in many, 231 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,079 many, many ways. We talked on the show about that George Carlin 232 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,039 special. Yeah, that is completely AI created, of course, because he's 233 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,640 passed away. Yes, if you were unaware, AI is making the dead 234 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,160 rise. Even that, though, there's some skepticism because the people who created 235 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,559 that claim that the entire that that the whole thing was AI generated, And 236 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,480 there's there's some people who are saying, there's no way AI wrote some of 237 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,640 those jokes. Because the thing is that that George Carlin thing, it actually 238 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,440 I listen to the whole thing. Some of it's actually really good. But 239 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,119 there's people some people are saying that, you know that the people who created 240 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,039 it aren't being completely honest when it wasn't entirely AI generated. It couldn't have 241 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,319 been because there's no way some of those jokes, some of those jokes are 242 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,359 much too clever to to and and Carlin esque, I dare say to have 243 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:57,039 actually been AI. Well, you really can't say that for one hundred certainty, 244 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,880 because if you're training the AI with George Carlin, Okay, now write 245 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:10,000 George Carlin jokes. You've trained the AI to follow his history, his his 246 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,559 cadence patterns, then yeah, why couldn't it potentially craft a Carlin esque joke? 247 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,880 Right right? Well, here is this is a story that just popped 248 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,839 up. This is from NBC News nbcnews dot com. Sony Music Group warns 249 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,039 more than seven hundred companies against using its content to train AI. The company 250 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,440 said songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights, still need to be respected 251 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:44,000 amid innovations in AI, which also, by the way, this relates to 252 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,920 some of the conversation we were having earlier with Hope the Rapper about about music 253 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,279 and rights and royalties and all that kind of. Yeah, exactly. AI 254 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:59,400 has taken what was already a complex problem and exacerbated it quite a bit. 255 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,519 So it says here one of the biggest record labels in the world is issue. 256 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:08,240 He notices warning hundreds of companies not to train artificial intelligence models on its 257 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:12,119 content without permission. By the way, the first thing that comes to mind 258 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,160 when I read that is how I mean so is Sony gonna start suing these 259 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,799 companies. How are they even going to know? Like, how would you 260 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,480 even how would you even be able to prove that that a company is using 261 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,960 your content specifically to train an AI model. I think that would be be 262 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:36,240 encoded into the AI's content as far as its own, it's it's memory banks, 263 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:40,400 if you will, for use of a generic terminology, whatever's been utilized 264 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,200 to help train it is going to be a part of its memory, a 265 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,440 part of its collective computing. Don't it doesn't get erased out afterwards. I 266 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:53,200 don't think. Yeah, but I don't know. It has to have computer 267 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,880 has to have something to draw its information from, right, It doesn't pull 268 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,440 it out of thin air. It has to have places to go to pull 269 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,599 that information. So if you're training it, you're feeding it all of this 270 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:10,160 information, then it should, in theory, be encoded into its information. 271 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,000 So then you could go back and say, hey, you know you were 272 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:18,480 using George Thoroughgood to train this AI. Are you using this to try and 273 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:23,200 train kiss? Yeah, but if you're teaching the computer via other artists, 274 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,200 then those artists become a part of its persona. If you will, again, 275 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:34,640 trying to be generic on that then is it not writing from those artists? 276 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,839 But how is Sony? How if Sony is going to how's it going 277 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,799 to know that they're using it? Yeah? And I'm not posing this question 278 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680 thinking that there's an answer out there. I'm actually posing this question saying I 279 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,920 don't think there's an answer out there yet because this is also new. But 280 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:53,599 how is sony? And that's part of what makes it so fascinating to me? 281 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,039 But how is Sony going to? Yeah? How are they going to 282 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,640 know? And then how does Sony then a broach a company and say we 283 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,759 think, you know, we think you've been using our artist's work to train 284 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:15,200 your you know, because it's all machine learning to train your AI systems, 285 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:21,559 uh, and you have to prove to us that you're not doing that. 286 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,799 And if you can't prove to us that you're not doing that, then we're 287 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,720 going to see you or something like how I don't know how this is going 288 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:33,680 to work. You can't train AI without information, And if you're going to 289 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,200 train it on music, how do you train music without using music to teach 290 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,799 it what music is? Right? So, yeah, this is pretty It's 291 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,400 like where's that where's that line on AI creation? Yeah, how do you 292 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,160 tell when it's crossing over? I mean, I still think there's going to 293 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,079 be something inside of the computer's memory banks itself, some kind of something that 294 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,960 you can go, yeah, that's in there and it's such and such artist. 295 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,000 But how do you get into that? How do you know? Now? 296 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:11,160 The article, the NBC article shows that Europe is ahead of us on 297 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:19,880 this issue. The European Unions already created law to try and protect artists and 298 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,920 and kind of try and spell out what kind of content they're allowed to use 299 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,640 to train these AI models or these AI systems all what you call them? 300 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,519 Yeah, models, I suppose that works. Chris Warrior, our friend do 301 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,680 Chrispy the comedian says, Hi, guys, can you get a restraining order 302 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:49,480 on AI? I think so? Yeah, Selfie, I'm sorry. Spelfe 303 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Ham said, I wish there was an AI robot following Eleanor and I through 304 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,839 BJ's trying to play Marco Polo with me. Well, it sounds fun, 305 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,759 it's not all bad. So if an AI song, like, if it's 306 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,039 a singer, you're gonna probably write, You're gonna recognize the voice. So 307 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,359 I suppose if you like you're a basis, you know, certain each artist 308 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,200 has a certain tone or intonation that's unique onto themselves. I suppose if you 309 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,400 pick up on something like that, then maybe you can try and say, 310 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,799 oh, this is my you know, you've encroached on me. But but 311 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:30,000 even that, But even that, because because even with human generated music, 312 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,640 which it sounds strange to even say that, but even with human generated music, 313 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,839 everybody's in See, this is where it gets really complicated, really fast. 314 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,640 Everybody's influenced by artists who came before them, right, right, So 315 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,680 you take AI out of the equation, well, human beings, and this 316 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,599 is why human beings sue each other for things like copyright infringement and intellectual property 317 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,240 and all of it. Because and plagiarism, because human beings are all influenced 318 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,680 by other human beings. And every musician is influenced by all the music that 319 00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:05,079 came before them. So even that gets very dicey. Because we've done on 320 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,119 retrospectrum radio, we've done shows, actually we've done a bunch of them now 321 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,240 where the theme has been musical plagiarism. Yeah, you know, and and 322 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,079 Paul, we'll play a song and play another song and say, okay, 323 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,400 these two songs you know, one artist sued the other, and we all 324 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,279 have to say, you know, do we think the artist is guilty or 325 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:28,119 not guilty of plagiarism. And I'm very lenient with that because I believe everybody 326 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,440 was influenced by somebody else, So I'll usually say not guilty unless it's Led 327 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,480 Zeppelin, the most plagiaristic musicians in history. I think that Europe's really got 328 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:44,440 something going here because they've passed a comprehensive lot and it requires these companies to 329 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,880 make public, with sufficient details, a summary of the content that they used 330 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,240 to train those models. So they have to give you a this is what 331 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,039 we used to train it. They have to make it public. That would 332 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,519 be something that I think would be very good to do here in the United 333 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,079 States to help protect artists here that you know, we've got to You've got 334 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400 to make public what you're doing to train this stuff, so when music comes 335 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,559 out of you, we know whether or not you're plagiarizing another artist. I 336 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,880 guess that's I mean, there has to be a way to control what AI 337 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:21,519 is doing, or it's just going to railroad artists and artists aren't going to 338 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:22,599 be making money up of their music at all, they're not gonna be able 339 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,440 to control their likeness, they're not going to be able to control their music. 340 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,960 On the other hand, though, and maybe I'm consider this plain Devil's 341 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,000 advocate, because obviously I want to advocate for artists always it's so hard to 342 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,680 make money with music as it is. But on the other hand, I'm 343 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:47,119 not sure, And on a practical sense, going back to you know, 344 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:52,240 if you're a human, you're you're learning from everything you were influenced by, 345 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,039 from all the music you've heard, So why then would it be any different 346 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:02,279 for an AI model You're regardless. I mean, all music that is being 347 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:08,559 created is being created based on music that's already been created, because I think 348 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:16,599 AI can sometimes it can be almost a carbon copy and it has the ability 349 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:25,360 to take in an artist and then spit it back out with different words and 350 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,000 it's the same artist, but it's reutilizing that, you know what I'm saying. 351 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,960 I do. It's like a It's almost it's like memorys in a way. 352 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,519 It's taking it in and it's spitting it back out, making it sound 353 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,400 a little different. But it's that artist. That's what people are worried about. 354 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,039 That's what people are saying, you know, I don't want to see 355 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:52,360 AI using this one's voice or taking this one's specific guitar style and duplicating it 356 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,880 into its own creation. It's not a human creation. It's a machine creation. 357 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,840 Not that that makes it bad in creation, but when it's utilizing, 358 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,920 when it's sucking in all that data and spitting it out making it sound a 359 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,840 little different, that's bad. That to me is plagiar That's that's plagiarism, 360 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,760 and we can't let AI do that. And it's so hard to protect musicians 361 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,559 as it is now. Artists have a very hard time getting paid for what 362 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,199 they do. Everybody else makes money off of them. Wait a minute, 363 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,639 though, so this is important. But so if an AI model learns an 364 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,559 artist's style and you know, whether it be writing, how they write, 365 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,079 or production, whatever it is, their sound, their vibe, whatever it 366 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:49,559 is, and then creates a work based on that style that sounds like that 367 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,599 artist but doesn't sound like any specific song by that artist, just sounds like 368 00:35:54,679 --> 00:36:00,000 their style. That's not plagiarism, is it. How can that be played? 369 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,239 If it creates and which looking their intellectual property, and because you can 370 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,639 get back out slightly different. But here's the problem though, by that logic, 371 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,239 you could say, like the band Greta van Fleet, who sounds exactly 372 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,920 a young newer Yeah, they've been around for a little bit now, maybe 373 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,639 a decade, but a newer band, younger band that sounds exactly like and 374 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:30,199 I don't mean influenced by I don't mean kind of like that sounds exactly like 375 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,760 led Zeppelin. So should we call that plagiarism? Does Edelin allow it? 376 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,639 Well, they have no choice because Greta van Fleet. See here's the thing. 377 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,679 This is where it gets tricker. They sound, but they're all original 378 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,159 songs. They don't plagiarize any of Zeppelin's songs. They sound exactly like led 379 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,360 Zeppelin. If if you put on a Greta van Fleet song and you didn't 380 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360 know who it was, and someone told you, hey, I found an 381 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,639 unreleased Led Zeppelin track that never came out, and they played it for you, 382 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,039 you would you would think it was led Zeppelin. I mean, I 383 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,119 don't know if you've ever listened to Greta van Fleet, but they have not. 384 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,440 You're caught, yeah, but I think you're dirting my pool because you're 385 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,639 mixing apples orthonages. You're taking human beings that are here in the now that 386 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,559 are doing one specific thing that the other person does have the option to maybe 387 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:22,320 go to court or have a claim that's it, that it's tangible, that 388 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,639 they can deal with. AI is a completely different animal. AI is accept 389 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:35,599 is taking everything in and spitting out that it's not it's to me. It's 390 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,760 vastly different when you're taking everybody else's information and you're using it to create something. 391 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:46,159 You're stealing all these people's data, all these people's personality information, and 392 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,480 then trying to spit it back out as your own. It's kind of like 393 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,199 having somebody else take the test for you and then you put your name on 394 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,559 it. Here's your own. But how is that any different from how a 395 00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,039 human being operation? Human being is one individual entity that a person can actually 396 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,119 see, touch, take to court. We can control this. AI is 397 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:10,280 something that is international worldwide. If you don't control it at the start, 398 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,000 you cannot control it at the other end. Well, at least with a 399 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:19,199 human being, I have the ability to put a stop to that human being. 400 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,679 I can take them to court, I can do something with them. 401 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:23,440 But if I'm a human being as a human being, which I am, 402 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,880 by the way, for anyone who doesn't know, there's a rumor that I'm 403 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,920 some sort of android. Yeah, I shouldn't even go there, but it 404 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:38,480 gets very complicated. But but if I as a human being, so if 405 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:45,719 I write a song, I'm what informs me, and my ability to create 406 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,079 music is all the music that I've heard over the course of my life. 407 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,920 That's different. Why though, Because I think it's different because well, for 408 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:58,719 one thing, you're a human being. You're absorbing information from multiple entities, 409 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,480 and you're you're doing that as a human differently with the AI system, individuals 410 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:09,840 are with intent, loading this computer with your specifics, with the intent of 411 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,880 it spitting out something in return that is similar to or identical to. That's 412 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,639 entirely different. This is intentional. I'm going to use my computer to steal 413 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,119 every ounce of what makes you you and spit it back out to the world 414 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,159 in every way that I possibly can. And you're the horses out of the 415 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,880 bond. You can't control that. So we have to have it on the 416 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,559 front end that we control what is allowed to be fed into these AI systems, 417 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,159 right, because there's a difference there. Human beings absorb everything around them 418 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,519 and spit that back out in their own way. But if I intentionally load 419 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,320 a computer with all of you with the intent of its spitting you back out, 420 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:55,000 but for me without you see what I'm saying. But if that computer 421 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,719 spits something out, that is a completely original work. In other words, 422 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,519 if you but it's not original if you train the AI model, but to 423 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,519 absorb all of this work that's already been created, But then to create an 424 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:13,400 original work, I'm gonna correct you there. You cannot say a computer absorbs 425 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,360 Well, however, you you absorb information and spit it back out a certain 426 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,519 way. But a computer is fed and that's the only information it has to 427 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,400 go by, just what it's fed. Sure, well, that's also true 428 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,719 for all of us. So I mean, if I'm no, no, 429 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,360 no, no, no, no, I don't think so. Well. 430 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,000 If I'm if I'm a kid riding in a car and one of my parents 431 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,400 is playing the radio, They're they're feeding me, uh whatever that station is 432 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,320 playing. I don't control the radio. The adult in the car controls the 433 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,960 radio. No, no, nice, try red herring, red having I 434 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:51,440 mean, seriously, you are You're a human being taking information in multiple facets. 435 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,519 Nobody's in control of that, not you're give me a break. You 436 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,760 here, you're a human, You're getting info, you're getting your senses all 437 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,679 at the same time. He knows the spending something, you're ears a hearing 438 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,159 something. There's so many influences around you that conflate or compound what it is 439 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,920 that's in your environment. This is a difference. This is a box, 440 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,199 if you will, that is given card of information. Then that's all the 441 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,400 information it gets. And I, as a human being, intentionally feed that 442 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,599 in and I intentionally tell it give it to me with something new. I 443 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,519 am totally ripping you off. But there's something new. Part though, isn't 444 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,079 that what changes that? But that's not new when I'm doing it off of 445 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,760 all of you. I take your body of work and go, hey, 446 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400 I twisted it a bit, and here this is new. So I get 447 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,199 to have it and you can go pound stand that's that's no, No, 448 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,159 it's not it's I I uh uh no. I here's the thing. I 449 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,880 agree with you in principle. But but there's also the practical application of all 450 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,599 of this, and that's what I'm skeptical about. Practical in other words, 451 00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:00,480 how to sony, how does Sony pursuit We'll mix practical legal, Well, 452 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,119 how does Sony well, legally fine, how does Sony? How does Sony 453 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,199 follow up on their threat? They're threatening these companies, they will have to 454 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,119 look for if they hear their artist's voice coming out, that would be an 455 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,599 easy one, I guess. But if and that's the thing. Europe is 456 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:22,679 addressing this issue. We have an address this issue in Europe. The law 457 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,239 is very specific. I've been sitting here reading some of the law that was 458 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,000 passed in the European Union. So this is across the entire European Union the 459 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,840 EU, and that they're required to keep one hundred percent up to date all 460 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,280 the information and documentation that they use to teach these AI models. They're not 461 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,679 allowed. It says they cannot. It says they have to supply this information 462 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,679 without prejudice to the need to observe and protect intellectual property rights and confidential business 463 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,719 information or trade secrets in accordance with the Union. YadA, YadA, YadA. 464 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,960 They have to give them everything they've got to keep records and turn over 465 00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,400 everything that they used to train that AI. And when I look at your 466 00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:07,159 AI records and see that you've got you all over the place, you didn't 467 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,440 approve that, then yes, I get to step in and say, hey, 468 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,559 you're ripping off my artists, so I get to do that. We 469 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,199 need something like that here in the United States to protect American artists so they're 470 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760 not ripped off by these companies. And that's where you come into the laws 471 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,320 that control how much you get to control your own image in your own work. 472 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000 And that's what I meant by talking about that earlier. There's a writer 473 00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:38,599 here in New Hampshire. Oh my gosh, it was Schallenger. Yes, 474 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,280 Sallenger. The family wanted to control the identity. And depending on when you 475 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,920 live in the world depends on how much you can control your identity. So 476 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,639 if you die in New Hampshire, you live in New Hampshire, you're only 477 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,039 allowed to control your identity until you're dead, and then your family has no 478 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,840 control over it. You could go to California your family gets to control your 479 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,760 identity for a hundred years or essentially trying to be one generation. So that's 480 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,239 where this stuff comes in too. Now we're making this situation war compounded because 481 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,000 now we have AI. So now I could theoretically feed Sallenger books into AI 482 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,239 and come out with a new Salinger book because I gave it all of Salinger's 483 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,880 works to train. So isn't that theft? I don't know. I mean, 484 00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,519 because again, what if JD. Salinger is your favorite author and you 485 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:36,679 decide I'm going to write a book based on the style of writing of JD. 486 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,599 Salinger. That's you writing a book based on the style of JD. 487 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,199 Salinger, not you feeding a computer all of his books and then say, 488 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,400 hey, spit me out a new book. So that's the thing. That's 489 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440 why we have to start at the beginning of where they're training these things and 490 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:59,800 control that if we're going to have any kind of hope of protecting the artists. 491 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:06,440 Yeah, a little bit more to this, yeah, says Sony Music 492 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,039 Group, which owns well known labels as Columbia, RCA and Epic, has 493 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:15,679 started sending formal letters to more than seven hundred generative AI companies. There's a 494 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:21,480 lot of companies doing this and streaming platforms prohibiting them from mining text or data, 495 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:28,719 webscraping, or otherwise using any SMG content without explicit licensing agreements. That 496 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,719 covers a wide variety of content, including audio recordings, musical compositions, including 497 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,119 lyrics, cover artwork and metadata, according to a copy of the letter obtained 498 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,760 by NBC News. In its letter, SMG said it recognizes the significant potential 499 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,320 and advancement of AI. It wrote, quote, However, on authorized use 500 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,920 of SMG content in the trading, development, or commercialization of AI systems deprives 501 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,360 SMG companies and SMG talent of control over and appropriate compensation for the users of 502 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:05,320 SMG content. Conflicts with the normal exploitation of those works, unreasonably prejudices our 503 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:12,000 legitimate interests and infringes our intellectual property and other rights. Unquote. Such activity 504 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:17,519 quote conflicts with the normal exploitation of these works, unreasonably prejudices our legitimate interests 505 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:22,800 and infringes our intellectual property and other rights unquote. Asks for comment. A 506 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:30,000 spokesperson for SMG referred NBC News to a declaration the company posted online on Thursday. 507 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,239 It wrote in the post, quote, evolutions and technology have frequently shifted 508 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,519 the course of creative industries. AI will likely continue that long standing trend. 509 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:44,440 However, that innovation must ensure that songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights, 510 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:49,719 are respected, unquote. The letter asks companies to either confirm that they 511 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,360 have not used SMG content without permission or if they have to provide details about 512 00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,239 how the content was used in AI training. And I think that's excellent that 513 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,199 they literally went to them and said, listen, you need to tell us 514 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,159 if you've done this or not. But you know, I mean a lot 515 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,360 of these companies are gonna say, pound Sand we don't have to tell you 516 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,039 anything, not necessarily because depending on the state there, and there may be 517 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,679 laws that that what's the word I'm looking for compel them, Yeah, to 518 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,000 release the information there may be, But there have already been issues. There's 519 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:28,480 there's ones here that there has been incidences of AI used and when it was 520 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,199 found out, it was forced to be removed. So there, we're already 521 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:38,119 seeing it happen. Drake released tailor made freestyle that has an IP generated voice 522 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,960 of the late wrapper two bucks core Yeah now and that, but that track 523 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:49,800 ended up being removed from Drake's x and his Instagram accounts after shakurz Estate threatened 524 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:55,119 to sue him. Yeah, we do know. History tells us that government 525 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:05,519 UH is generally very poor at keeping up with technology. Sure, yeah, 526 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,159 it says here. While regulators protecting human made works still lag in the US 527 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,199 regulations. Rather, many companies have begun to negotiate their own agreements around the 528 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,679 licensing of their content for AI model training. Some have also used Some have 529 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,400 also sued rather AI companies, claiming their AI models were trained on copyrighted materials. 530 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:30,039 Some tracks that appear oh sorry, some tracks that appear to use AI 531 00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,920 generated vocals have already popped up online. Last year, a viral song called 532 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,760 Heart on My Sleeve, created by an anonymous musician who goes by Ghostwriter, 533 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,840 featured vocals that sound like those of Drake and The Weekend. Yeah. I 534 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,440 remember that it was quickly taken down from streaming services because of the copyright claim 535 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,800 by Universal Music Group. In April, Drake released Tailor Made Freestyle. Yep. 536 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,039 You talked about that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's interesting 537 00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,320 at least something has been getting done in the fact that there was a recent 538 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,880 hearing where the CEO of Warner Music Group, Robert how do you say his 539 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,280 name connects? Not sure? Sure, it's ky and cl for our listeners, 540 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,920 I apologize for not pronouncing it correctly, where he's asking for the United 541 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,280 States to put laws in place to protect artists. I like his quote he 542 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,000 said, quote our fundamental position on AI is simple. Everyone should have the 543 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,480 right to decide how their own name, likeness, and voice is used, 544 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,920 he said in preparing his remarks. These characteristics are the very foundation of our 545 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,320 individuality. They are not simply data to be taken and used by others. 546 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,960 Each person's identity must not be used in ways that they would never condone or 547 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,639 wish to participate in. And that you know, you think about deep fakes, 548 00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:52,159 and that's taking somebody else's will away from them as they're not consenting to 549 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,159 how they're being used in this computer model. So we do need to have 550 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,840 and we need to hurry up. Is like you said, we're pretty bad 551 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,519 at keeping up with technology because you know, this is going to undermine artists 552 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,360 everywhere and we can't have that. You know, we can't have that. 553 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,639 We can't allow artists don't make a lot as is. I mean, let's 554 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,960 talk about the fact that musicians really get very little of the money that they 555 00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:24,760 generate. Right the venue does, their manager does, everybody else gets a 556 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,320 piece of the pie. By the time it gets down to the individual artists, 557 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,800 it's not usually a whole heck of a lot. Most artists make most 558 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,360 of their money off of their merchandise. Right, But if you're taking what 559 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,159 little I'm making on my music and you're taking that and feeding it into a 560 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,559 computer, and now that computer is spitting out songs that you're going to make 561 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,679 money on. But it's my likeness, it's my style, it's my music. 562 00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:54,719 I think that's theft. I really think that's theft. Well, uh 563 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,760 oh, by the way, yeah a spelfi said in the chat room the 564 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,639 first time, Greta van Fleetch, she thought it was led Zeppelin. Yeah, 565 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,920 well, it'll be so interesting to see where all this goes. And 566 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:13,119 of course technology does often really alter the course of the music industry. Your 567 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:17,960 your favorite bandit Kiss this mini kiss, but Kiss approves of many kiss right, 568 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,639 Yeah, are there some kind of a thing there. This is an 569 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,039 individual that the Kiss can look at and say, yeah, we approve or 570 00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:27,280 yeah we don't like you. Don't do this anymore. We can sue you. 571 00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:32,000 You can't do that when you're used to train an entire system. By 572 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:37,920 the way, you mentioned deep fakes. And before we get to a break 573 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,559 and bring in our next guests, uh, do you remember do you remember 574 00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:47,199 this? A classic moment from Matt Connorton Unleashed from Matt Connorton unleashed does this? 575 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,519 Hey Matt, this is actually you calling in. Thanks for taking my 576 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:55,360 call. Wow, this is wonderful. I always dreamt of the day where 577 00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,679 I'd get to talk to myself. Curious if you remembered to pick up toilet 578 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,719 paper or if you plan to do it on the way home. We needed 579 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,960 to wipe our little bottom. Oh my goodness, Wow, I did not 580 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,760 know that we were out. But I'm really glad that you told or I'm 581 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,079 really glad that I told me. Our little bottom can get a bit messy. 582 00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,679 Sometimes it feels like we use too much of that dang stuff toilet pape. 583 00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,960 I mean right right toilet pape. I've never actually called is John Hopwood. 584 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,000 Oh John, I'm always thought of him as a father figure, mostly 585 00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,400 because he always tries to spank my little bottom. I never let him, 586 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:36,679 but he keeps asking this must be an AI thing. Yes he does, 587 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,039 he does. How did I know that? I just mostly wanted to say 588 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,440 that I am very nice and very much a sweet little boy, and even 589 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,199 though my bottom gets a bit messy, I am a nice guy and someone 590 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,599 that people love. Ah, that's very nice. Thanks. Oh and one 591 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,960 more thing. Hopwood looks like an eighty six year old toddler and he makes 592 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,639 us mush up bananas for him for lunch. Well, yes, yes, 593 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,920 that is uh goodbye Matt, you at home in the mirror, thank you? 594 00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:07,880 Yes, well very sad. I'll tell you what. That's a first 595 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,840 for me. I've never gotten to speak to myself now. Is it possible 596 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,280 that someone so anyway? Yeah, that was sure. That was a time. 597 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,760 I mean, you guys have that time machine Friday night. That's true. 598 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,800 That's true. No, we should give him a plug. That's actually 599 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,719 from not even a show, our friend Chris James, one of my favorite 600 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,920 Canadians. Uh, not even a show. That was Yes, that that 601 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,519 happened live on my show, but that was him calling my show with a 602 00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,719 prank and we we love Chris. Yeah, that was really that was pretty 603 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,719 cool. That was pretty cool. But I did also upload it to my 604 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,840 YouTube channel as well. But yeah, Spelfie said in the chat room, 605 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,639 I say please and thank you when I talked to AI. I hope when 606 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,480 AI takes over the world, maybe if I am polite, they will remember 607 00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:00,639 that and spare me because I was nice to them. Maybe know, war 608 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,000 against the machine. You know. It's funny about that though. Honestly, 609 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,719 and this is true when I'm using chat GPT and I ask it to do 610 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:13,400 something for me, I I do have a tendency to type please just out 611 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,159 of habit because I'm just I'm unfailingly polite, and I just because if I 612 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,360 know, because if I'm writing, like if I'm writing an email to someone, 613 00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:22,679 you know, I'm going to say please, if I'm asking them to 614 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,039 do something for me, I do just out of habit. I do that 615 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:32,280 with chat GPT, even though I'm I'm communicating with a do sometimes I think 616 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,880 I've heard you do that. Yeah, Hey, that's what I was raised. 617 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,199 I knew please and thank you. Yes, yes, exactly exactly. 618 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,800 Well, anyway, it's an interesting subject and uh it will be fascinating to 619 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,960 watch as we move forward into this this brave new world of AI, which 620 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,760 in some ways isn't that as new as people perceive it to be. But 621 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:59,079 that's okay, But but it will be very interesting. Uh So, coming 622 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,519 up third hour, we've got Whaleen Park in studio with us, and we're 623 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,159 gonna go ahead and play one of their tracks as we approach our top of 624 00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:07,360 the hour. Break, we'll play this, we'll show some love to our 625 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,199 amazing sponsors, and then when we come back whale and Park, we'll be 626 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,119 here with us in studio, but we'll play one of their tracks now. 627 00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,840 And they are playing at Terminus tonight in Nashua. Check it out. And 628 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,320 this is called standard issue from Whalem Park. Here on Matt Connorton. Unleashed 629 00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:08,679 only you fight, you could find the glory in wonder now Aum under order 630 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:20,360 only the strass get made of fat stacks drawn and not impushon order, and 631 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:27,559 norwy the same? Do you feel this empty? On the straight up for 632 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:37,159 ambody? Always leave? Tell me you you want a braid of change? 633 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:49,199 She stay up tails, I'm not lucky or the chosen a word? 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