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et cetera, et cetera. It is Saturday May eighteen, twenty twenty four.
Thank you again to Hope the Rapper for joining us during the first hour
and for giving us the honor and privilege to do his world radio premiere of
his new track Mama. So that was very nice. And my my Mama
came to visit recently. Yeah yeah, the week before day. Yeah yeah,
Jenny is here, of course at the news table. I was wondering
if you were going to go around to say that, Well, of course,
yeah, you waited a while you're at the news table. I am,
yes, I am, that's right. Yeah, on this late May
eighteen, twenty twenty four. Coming up in the third hour today, we've
got a great band coming in waylam Park is going to be joining us and
we will feature some of their music and get to know those guys a bit
they are from. So I didn't real it was actually last night during retro
Spectrum Radio, or it might have been after a conversation we had afterward,
but h oh, no, it was during the show, that's right,
Because I was plugging my show and Paul was asking me who the guests were
today and I mentioned Whale Park, and I guess that that was an actual
amusement park in Massachusetts. I didn't know. I didn't know that going to
all of those parks Paragon Park, I was, you know down Oh god,
all that was my youth. Yeah, I didn't know that apparently.
I assume that's where they're I assume that's where their name came from. But
we'll ask them about that when they well could be they're young though. Yeah,
does that park still exist? I don't know. I have no idea.
I'm not sure either, but we'll ask those guys when they get here.
So they will be joining us in the third hour. They have a
great sound and kind of eclectic too, so I really liked them a lot.
By the way, that track that we played too at the beginning at
the top of this hour was Hishen, the band that we had one of
the bands that we had last week on the show, New Awakens from their
album Awaken the Endless Deep, and they played last Saturday at at Terminus in
Nashua, and so they joined us and really fascinating. They were not in
studio with us but via phone. But the Whale and Park is playing there
tonight tonight. Yeah, it's hard to keep track. They're they're doing so
much there at Terminus in Nashua. But yeah, I really love this spand
Haishen and then yeah, so Whale and Park will be there tonight. We
should talk about what we did last Saturday where we were. Yes, we
were at the opening of the Resurgence out of the Botanical Juried Art Show at
the Mosaic Art Collective, located right here in the Queen City of Manchester.
It was an amazing event. I oh my god, it was. It's
it's still up now you can go and see the show. It lasts until
the end of this month, and it's so color are full. There are
so many amazing because of course, the whole theme of it, if you
will, had to do with flowers, and there were three florists that actually
created beautiful floral bouquets to auction off, and they were incredible and they were
inspired by the beauty of the artwork around the room. So those got auctioned
off and that was great and I won one of them. Yes, And
there was a funny thing about that because when you and I were heading into
the show, I was reminiscing as a little girl growing up with lilac bushes
outside the house. Because all the lilacs are in bloom right now and it
smellst beautifully. My sinus is can attest to that. Yes, yeah,
that's true. I'm sorry. I love the flowers, but I know they
are not kind to you. Yes, but I ended up winning a beautiful
bouquet of purple flowers with lilacs in them, and purple's my favorite color,
So bonus. You should go check out the show. It's the opening reception,
like we said, was last weekend. It was well attended. It
was a great time. Of course, they were lovely nashies to drink,
to eat and things to drink and so forth. If you've never been to
an opening at the Mosaic Art Collective, I highly highly recommend going. They
also have upcoming and this is just around the corner. On May twenty second,
they're having a teranium building workshop with artist Emily Roy and that's going to
happen on May twenty second from five forty five pm to eight pm. It's
forty dollars for that evening class for mechanical bliss. There is limited space,
so you know, it's only around the corner, so give give them a
call or visit the Mosaic Artcollective dot com for more information on that and on
that show and upcoming shows. If you are an artist, you should absolutely
consider submitting to one of the shows. Now. The next show coming up
will be June, and there is an open call for that. It's called
Lux reflecting Queer Beauty and Resilience. It's going to be for June third to
June thirtieth, with an opening reception on June eighth. So if you are
interested in showing your work, absolutely check it out. It's an open call.
It's well worth it. I'll tell you. When I first submitted,
I didn't think I would ever ever ever get a piece in This is going
to take me forever. So what I did actually get a piece and it
really felt good, and it was really amazing to be among so many wonderful
people and so many beautiful pieces of work. And you can do the same.
It's going to mosaic Arcollective dot com and check that out. Yes,
yes, very good. Oh we should mention too. In our Facebook live
chat, Spelfy Ham joins us from Terminus, which is of course part of
the Midnight Creative Collective. I believe we met her at the open house.
Yes, so she's saying the amusement park is gone, it's apartments now.
The Whalam Park that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me at all.
Yeah. I went home to Plymouth, Massachusetts and it's all apartment buildings.
Now, yeah, it blocks the ocean. I really don't like that part.
And she said, I love Whaleam Park. They were so excited when
I asked them to play for us. Yeah, very good. No,
we're excited to have them on the show. Yeah, Terminus is getting a
lot of great artists and this is really turning into a hot spot for music.
Oh. Absolutely really really checked them out, ye, also known as
the Midnight Art Collective. Are creative create Creative collective? Midnight Creative Collective?
Is it creative or creatives? You threw me and I threw you this is
not happening. But we were at the open house the Midnight Creatives Collective.
Yes, yes, please forgive me forgetting that wrong. Yes, yeah,
we were at the open house for that really really impressive and our friend Eleanor
and of course and Spellfie and they were doing a fantastic job. There.
I'll drop a link to Midnight Creative spacebook page right there in the chat room
for you guys. You can check it out for yourself and go and catch
a show. Absolutely, we've got a specific subject we're going to get into
a little bit here in the second hour. Our guest who we had scheduled
for today in the second hour was had to reschedule completely understandable, so that
will be so they will be here, just not today, so we have
a little bit of time. But there's always a lot of interesting things.
No Spelthy, I don't think we're going to be able to make it tonight,
unfortunately, but we will get to another show there soon. Definitely.
There's a lot going on, of course with well, we had a few
different options we were looking at as far as subjects we could discuss music industry
related, but AI continues to be a major subject. And this story really
caught my attention because this is an issue that I've actually worked on personally in
the past, protecting identities, protecting information, of course, not to this
extent of AI. Yeah, it's an aspect I didn't think about. Well,
yeah, nobody nobody did until relatively recently. And uh, the way
AI is impacting music And by the way, this is not part of the
main subject. I've got a story here that I want to look at,
but involving Sony music group. But as kind of a side note, I
don't know if I mentioned this at all on the show. I don't think
so. But I posted on social media about this, the new Motley Crue
song Dogs of War. There's these There's a website called The Metal Den that
started this that is not necessarily reputable in terms of their sourcing and whatnot,
but they started this. They put out this story claiming that that the song
that Bob Rock, the producer on the song create, actually created the song
entirely out of ai and that it's Motley Crue isn't even on the actual song.
But I think that's just uh, I don't think that's and play.
Yeah, it's not like they're obscure. Yeah, I don't. I don't
think it's I don't think it's true. But it's something that this website put
out there and it's been circulating. There's there's all kinds of stories about there's
a story about now. I just saw that claiming that Scott Stapp, formerly
of Creed, actually contributed vocals to the track and that it's not really uh,
it's not really Vince Neil. Yeah, that that's a new rumor about
it. I don't think any of that's true. You don't know, but
I did. I mean, I understand the skepticism about Vince Neil's singing,
but even if he's terrible, and he is, you can fix all that
in the studio. You don't need to replace him with a different singer and
manipulate it to sound like Vince Neil. But I I did, you know,
Vince Neil takes a lot of crap for not being able to sing anymore,
basically, And I'd shared out recently on social media of video I saw
of a recent concert that they did where they opened with Primal Screen, which
is my favorite Motley Crue song, And I click on the video and I'm
like, oh cool, and then Vince starts singing. It's so bad.
It's like he's not even singing, He's just kind of he's just kind of
blurting out the words. It's so so horrible, and it reminded me of
years ago, and it bumms me out because you know, one of my
all time favor events years ago, I saw Motley. It was the last
time I seen Molly cru live. It was when they did a co headlining
tour with Kiss and I was with Dan Randall of Dan Randall and the Randlettes.
If you're a listener of Retrospectu Radio, you might be familiar with Dan.
We went and saw them at in what was it at that point,
the Comcast Center in Uh some people still call it Great Woods to this day
anyway, but out in Mansfield. But we went and saw them and they
they played. Uh, there was a moment. See, when you're actually
there live, it's much harder too because it's live, so if someone hits
a wrong note or something, you don't really necessarily notice it unless you go
back later and watch it on somebody's YouTube video. But there's a moment during
it was Don't Go Away Mad, another one of my favorites. You know
the song, Yeah, girl, Don't go Away Mad. During that the
fast part at the end, you know how the song kind of changes at
the end, Vince Neil hit a note so sour that Dan and I actually
looked at each other like, WHOA, what was that? Anyway? So
he's who knows, But I'm just saying I don't think the rumor is true
about that song being created with Ais. The thing about AI though, it's
so hard to know what's real and what's not real these days. Well,
there have been examples of Yeah, of things being put out that have fooled
people. Yeah, were AI generated some scary stuff that could actually be used
to harm people. I mean this, This technology is really invasive in many,
many, many ways. We talked on the show about that George Carlin
special. Yeah, that is completely AI created, of course, because he's
passed away. Yes, if you were unaware, AI is making the dead
rise. Even that, though, there's some skepticism because the people who created
that claim that the entire that that the whole thing was AI generated, And
there's there's some people who are saying, there's no way AI wrote some of
those jokes. Because the thing is that that George Carlin thing, it actually
I listen to the whole thing. Some of it's actually really good. But
there's people some people are saying that, you know that the people who created
it aren't being completely honest when it wasn't entirely AI generated. It couldn't have
been because there's no way some of those jokes, some of those jokes are
much too clever to to and and Carlin esque, I dare say to have
actually been AI. Well, you really can't say that for one hundred certainty,
because if you're training the AI with George Carlin, Okay, now write
George Carlin jokes. You've trained the AI to follow his history, his his
cadence patterns, then yeah, why couldn't it potentially craft a Carlin esque joke?
Right right? Well, here is this is a story that just popped
up. This is from NBC News nbcnews dot com. Sony Music Group warns
more than seven hundred companies against using its content to train AI. The company
said songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights, still need to be respected
amid innovations in AI, which also, by the way, this relates to
some of the conversation we were having earlier with Hope the Rapper about about music
and rights and royalties and all that kind of. Yeah, exactly. AI
has taken what was already a complex problem and exacerbated it quite a bit.
So it says here one of the biggest record labels in the world is issue.
He notices warning hundreds of companies not to train artificial intelligence models on its
content without permission. By the way, the first thing that comes to mind
when I read that is how I mean so is Sony gonna start suing these
companies. How are they even going to know? Like, how would you
even how would you even be able to prove that that a company is using
your content specifically to train an AI model. I think that would be be
encoded into the AI's content as far as its own, it's it's memory banks,
if you will, for use of a generic terminology, whatever's been utilized
to help train it is going to be a part of its memory, a
part of its collective computing. Don't it doesn't get erased out afterwards. I
don't think. Yeah, but I don't know. It has to have computer
has to have something to draw its information from, right, It doesn't pull
it out of thin air. It has to have places to go to pull
that information. So if you're training it, you're feeding it all of this
information, then it should, in theory, be encoded into its information.
So then you could go back and say, hey, you know you were
using George Thoroughgood to train this AI. Are you using this to try and
train kiss? Yeah, but if you're teaching the computer via other artists,
then those artists become a part of its persona. If you will, again,
trying to be generic on that then is it not writing from those artists?
But how is Sony? How if Sony is going to how's it going
to know that they're using it? Yeah? And I'm not posing this question
thinking that there's an answer out there. I'm actually posing this question saying I
don't think there's an answer out there yet because this is also new. But
how is sony? And that's part of what makes it so fascinating to me?
But how is Sony going to? Yeah? How are they going to
know? And then how does Sony then a broach a company and say we
think, you know, we think you've been using our artist's work to train
your you know, because it's all machine learning to train your AI systems,
uh, and you have to prove to us that you're not doing that.
And if you can't prove to us that you're not doing that, then we're
going to see you or something like how I don't know how this is going
to work. You can't train AI without information, And if you're going to
train it on music, how do you train music without using music to teach
it what music is? Right? So, yeah, this is pretty It's
like where's that where's that line on AI creation? Yeah, how do you
tell when it's crossing over? I mean, I still think there's going to
be something inside of the computer's memory banks itself, some kind of something that
you can go, yeah, that's in there and it's such and such artist.
But how do you get into that? How do you know? Now?
The article, the NBC article shows that Europe is ahead of us on
this issue. The European Unions already created law to try and protect artists and
and kind of try and spell out what kind of content they're allowed to use
to train these AI models or these AI systems all what you call them?
Yeah, models, I suppose that works. Chris Warrior, our friend do
Chrispy the comedian says, Hi, guys, can you get a restraining order
on AI? I think so? Yeah, Selfie, I'm sorry. Spelfe
Ham said, I wish there was an AI robot following Eleanor and I through
BJ's trying to play Marco Polo with me. Well, it sounds fun,
it's not all bad. So if an AI song, like, if it's
a singer, you're gonna probably write, You're gonna recognize the voice. So
I suppose if you like you're a basis, you know, certain each artist
has a certain tone or intonation that's unique onto themselves. I suppose if you
pick up on something like that, then maybe you can try and say,
oh, this is my you know, you've encroached on me. But but
even that, But even that, because because even with human generated music,
which it sounds strange to even say that, but even with human generated music,
everybody's in See, this is where it gets really complicated, really fast.
Everybody's influenced by artists who came before them, right, right, So
you take AI out of the equation, well, human beings, and this
is why human beings sue each other for things like copyright infringement and intellectual property
and all of it. Because and plagiarism, because human beings are all influenced
by other human beings. And every musician is influenced by all the music that
came before them. So even that gets very dicey. Because we've done on
retrospectrum radio, we've done shows, actually we've done a bunch of them now
where the theme has been musical plagiarism. Yeah, you know, and and
Paul, we'll play a song and play another song and say, okay,
these two songs you know, one artist sued the other, and we all
have to say, you know, do we think the artist is guilty or
not guilty of plagiarism. And I'm very lenient with that because I believe everybody
was influenced by somebody else, So I'll usually say not guilty unless it's Led
Zeppelin, the most plagiaristic musicians in history. I think that Europe's really got
something going here because they've passed a comprehensive lot and it requires these companies to
make public, with sufficient details, a summary of the content that they used
to train those models. So they have to give you a this is what
we used to train it. They have to make it public. That would
be something that I think would be very good to do here in the United
States to help protect artists here that you know, we've got to You've got
to make public what you're doing to train this stuff, so when music comes
out of you, we know whether or not you're plagiarizing another artist. I
guess that's I mean, there has to be a way to control what AI
is doing, or it's just going to railroad artists and artists aren't going to
be making money up of their music at all, they're not gonna be able
to control their likeness, they're not going to be able to control their music.
On the other hand, though, and maybe I'm consider this plain Devil's
advocate, because obviously I want to advocate for artists always it's so hard to
make money with music as it is. But on the other hand, I'm
not sure, And on a practical sense, going back to you know,
if you're a human, you're you're learning from everything you were influenced by,
from all the music you've heard, So why then would it be any different
for an AI model You're regardless. I mean, all music that is being
created is being created based on music that's already been created, because I think
AI can sometimes it can be almost a carbon copy and it has the ability
to take in an artist and then spit it back out with different words and
it's the same artist, but it's reutilizing that, you know what I'm saying.
I do. It's like a It's almost it's like memorys in a way.
It's taking it in and it's spitting it back out, making it sound
a little different. But it's that artist. That's what people are worried about.
That's what people are saying, you know, I don't want to see
AI using this one's voice or taking this one's specific guitar style and duplicating it
into its own creation. It's not a human creation. It's a machine creation.
Not that that makes it bad in creation, but when it's utilizing,
when it's sucking in all that data and spitting it out making it sound a
little different, that's bad. That to me is plagiar That's that's plagiarism,
and we can't let AI do that. And it's so hard to protect musicians
as it is now. Artists have a very hard time getting paid for what
they do. Everybody else makes money off of them. Wait a minute,
though, so this is important. But so if an AI model learns an
artist's style and you know, whether it be writing, how they write,
or production, whatever it is, their sound, their vibe, whatever it
is, and then creates a work based on that style that sounds like that
artist but doesn't sound like any specific song by that artist, just sounds like
their style. That's not plagiarism, is it. How can that be played?
If it creates and which looking their intellectual property, and because you can
get back out slightly different. But here's the problem though, by that logic,
you could say, like the band Greta van Fleet, who sounds exactly
a young newer Yeah, they've been around for a little bit now, maybe
a decade, but a newer band, younger band that sounds exactly like and
I don't mean influenced by I don't mean kind of like that sounds exactly like
led Zeppelin. So should we call that plagiarism? Does Edelin allow it?
Well, they have no choice because Greta van Fleet. See here's the thing.
This is where it gets tricker. They sound, but they're all original
songs. They don't plagiarize any of Zeppelin's songs. They sound exactly like led
Zeppelin. If if you put on a Greta van Fleet song and you didn't
know who it was, and someone told you, hey, I found an
unreleased Led Zeppelin track that never came out, and they played it for you,
you would you would think it was led Zeppelin. I mean, I
don't know if you've ever listened to Greta van Fleet, but they have not.
You're caught, yeah, but I think you're dirting my pool because you're
mixing apples orthonages. You're taking human beings that are here in the now that
are doing one specific thing that the other person does have the option to maybe
go to court or have a claim that's it, that it's tangible, that
they can deal with. AI is a completely different animal. AI is accept
is taking everything in and spitting out that it's not it's to me. It's
vastly different when you're taking everybody else's information and you're using it to create something.
You're stealing all these people's data, all these people's personality information, and
then trying to spit it back out as your own. It's kind of like
having somebody else take the test for you and then you put your name on
it. Here's your own. But how is that any different from how a
human being operation? Human being is one individual entity that a person can actually
see, touch, take to court. We can control this. AI is
something that is international worldwide. If you don't control it at the start,
you cannot control it at the other end. Well, at least with a
human being, I have the ability to put a stop to that human being.
I can take them to court, I can do something with them.
But if I'm a human being as a human being, which I am,
by the way, for anyone who doesn't know, there's a rumor that I'm
some sort of android. Yeah, I shouldn't even go there, but it
gets very complicated. But but if I as a human being, so if
I write a song, I'm what informs me, and my ability to create
music is all the music that I've heard over the course of my life.
That's different. Why though, Because I think it's different because well, for
one thing, you're a human being. You're absorbing information from multiple entities,
and you're you're doing that as a human differently with the AI system, individuals
are with intent, loading this computer with your specifics, with the intent of
it spitting out something in return that is similar to or identical to. That's
entirely different. This is intentional. I'm going to use my computer to steal
every ounce of what makes you you and spit it back out to the world
in every way that I possibly can. And you're the horses out of the
bond. You can't control that. So we have to have it on the
front end that we control what is allowed to be fed into these AI systems,
right, because there's a difference there. Human beings absorb everything around them
and spit that back out in their own way. But if I intentionally load
a computer with all of you with the intent of its spitting you back out,
but for me without you see what I'm saying. But if that computer
spits something out, that is a completely original work. In other words,
if you but it's not original if you train the AI model, but to
absorb all of this work that's already been created, But then to create an
original work, I'm gonna correct you there. You cannot say a computer absorbs
Well, however, you you absorb information and spit it back out a certain
way. But a computer is fed and that's the only information it has to
go by, just what it's fed. Sure, well, that's also true
for all of us. So I mean, if I'm no, no,
no, no, no, no, I don't think so. Well.
If I'm if I'm a kid riding in a car and one of my parents
is playing the radio, They're they're feeding me, uh whatever that station is
playing. I don't control the radio. The adult in the car controls the
radio. No, no, nice, try red herring, red having I
mean, seriously, you are You're a human being taking information in multiple facets.
Nobody's in control of that, not you're give me a break. You
here, you're a human, You're getting info, you're getting your senses all
at the same time. He knows the spending something, you're ears a hearing
something. There's so many influences around you that conflate or compound what it is
that's in your environment. This is a difference. This is a box,
if you will, that is given card of information. Then that's all the
information it gets. And I, as a human being, intentionally feed that
in and I intentionally tell it give it to me with something new. I
am totally ripping you off. But there's something new. Part though, isn't
that what changes that? But that's not new when I'm doing it off of
all of you. I take your body of work and go, hey,
I twisted it a bit, and here this is new. So I get
to have it and you can go pound stand that's that's no, No,
it's not it's I I uh uh no. I here's the thing. I
agree with you in principle. But but there's also the practical application of all
of this, and that's what I'm skeptical about. Practical in other words,
how to sony, how does Sony pursuit We'll mix practical legal, Well,
how does Sony well, legally fine, how does Sony? How does Sony
follow up on their threat? They're threatening these companies, they will have to
look for if they hear their artist's voice coming out, that would be an
easy one, I guess. But if and that's the thing. Europe is
addressing this issue. We have an address this issue in Europe. The law
is very specific. I've been sitting here reading some of the law that was
passed in the European Union. So this is across the entire European Union the
EU, and that they're required to keep one hundred percent up to date all
the information and documentation that they use to teach these AI models. They're not
allowed. It says they cannot. It says they have to supply this information
without prejudice to the need to observe and protect intellectual property rights and confidential business
information or trade secrets in accordance with the Union. YadA, YadA, YadA.
They have to give them everything they've got to keep records and turn over
everything that they used to train that AI. And when I look at your
AI records and see that you've got you all over the place, you didn't
approve that, then yes, I get to step in and say, hey,
you're ripping off my artists, so I get to do that. We
need something like that here in the United States to protect American artists so they're
not ripped off by these companies. And that's where you come into the laws
that control how much you get to control your own image in your own work.
And that's what I meant by talking about that earlier. There's a writer
here in New Hampshire. Oh my gosh, it was Schallenger. Yes,
Sallenger. The family wanted to control the identity. And depending on when you
live in the world depends on how much you can control your identity. So
if you die in New Hampshire, you live in New Hampshire, you're only
allowed to control your identity until you're dead, and then your family has no
control over it. You could go to California your family gets to control your
identity for a hundred years or essentially trying to be one generation. So that's
where this stuff comes in too. Now we're making this situation war compounded because
now we have AI. So now I could theoretically feed Sallenger books into AI
and come out with a new Salinger book because I gave it all of Salinger's
works to train. So isn't that theft? I don't know. I mean,
because again, what if JD. Salinger is your favorite author and you
decide I'm going to write a book based on the style of writing of JD.
Salinger. That's you writing a book based on the style of JD.
Salinger, not you feeding a computer all of his books and then say,
hey, spit me out a new book. So that's the thing. That's
why we have to start at the beginning of where they're training these things and
control that if we're going to have any kind of hope of protecting the artists.
Yeah, a little bit more to this, yeah, says Sony Music
Group, which owns well known labels as Columbia, RCA and Epic, has
started sending formal letters to more than seven hundred generative AI companies. There's a
lot of companies doing this and streaming platforms prohibiting them from mining text or data,
webscraping, or otherwise using any SMG content without explicit licensing agreements. That
covers a wide variety of content, including audio recordings, musical compositions, including
lyrics, cover artwork and metadata, according to a copy of the letter obtained
by NBC News. In its letter, SMG said it recognizes the significant potential
and advancement of AI. It wrote, quote, However, on authorized use
of SMG content in the trading, development, or commercialization of AI systems deprives
SMG companies and SMG talent of control over and appropriate compensation for the users of
SMG content. Conflicts with the normal exploitation of those works, unreasonably prejudices our
legitimate interests and infringes our intellectual property and other rights. Unquote. Such activity
quote conflicts with the normal exploitation of these works, unreasonably prejudices our legitimate interests
and infringes our intellectual property and other rights unquote. Asks for comment. A
spokesperson for SMG referred NBC News to a declaration the company posted online on Thursday.
It wrote in the post, quote, evolutions and technology have frequently shifted
the course of creative industries. AI will likely continue that long standing trend.
However, that innovation must ensure that songwriters and recording artists rights, including copyrights,
are respected, unquote. The letter asks companies to either confirm that they
have not used SMG content without permission or if they have to provide details about
how the content was used in AI training. And I think that's excellent that
they literally went to them and said, listen, you need to tell us
if you've done this or not. But you know, I mean a lot
of these companies are gonna say, pound Sand we don't have to tell you
anything, not necessarily because depending on the state there, and there may be
laws that that what's the word I'm looking for compel them, Yeah, to
release the information there may be, But there have already been issues. There's
there's ones here that there has been incidences of AI used and when it was
found out, it was forced to be removed. So there, we're already
seeing it happen. Drake released tailor made freestyle that has an IP generated voice
of the late wrapper two bucks core Yeah now and that, but that track
ended up being removed from Drake's x and his Instagram accounts after shakurz Estate threatened
to sue him. Yeah, we do know. History tells us that government
UH is generally very poor at keeping up with technology. Sure, yeah,
it says here. While regulators protecting human made works still lag in the US
regulations. Rather, many companies have begun to negotiate their own agreements around the
licensing of their content for AI model training. Some have also used Some have
also sued rather AI companies, claiming their AI models were trained on copyrighted materials.
Some tracks that appear oh sorry, some tracks that appear to use AI
generated vocals have already popped up online. Last year, a viral song called
Heart on My Sleeve, created by an anonymous musician who goes by Ghostwriter,
featured vocals that sound like those of Drake and The Weekend. Yeah. I
remember that it was quickly taken down from streaming services because of the copyright claim
by Universal Music Group. In April, Drake released Tailor Made Freestyle. Yep.
You talked about that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's interesting
at least something has been getting done in the fact that there was a recent
hearing where the CEO of Warner Music Group, Robert how do you say his
name connects? Not sure? Sure, it's ky and cl for our listeners,
I apologize for not pronouncing it correctly, where he's asking for the United
States to put laws in place to protect artists. I like his quote he
said, quote our fundamental position on AI is simple. Everyone should have the
right to decide how their own name, likeness, and voice is used,
he said in preparing his remarks. These characteristics are the very foundation of our
individuality. They are not simply data to be taken and used by others.
Each person's identity must not be used in ways that they would never condone or
wish to participate in. And that you know, you think about deep fakes,
and that's taking somebody else's will away from them as they're not consenting to
how they're being used in this computer model. So we do need to have
and we need to hurry up. Is like you said, we're pretty bad
at keeping up with technology because you know, this is going to undermine artists
everywhere and we can't have that. You know, we can't have that.
We can't allow artists don't make a lot as is. I mean, let's
talk about the fact that musicians really get very little of the money that they
generate. Right the venue does, their manager does, everybody else gets a
piece of the pie. By the time it gets down to the individual artists,
it's not usually a whole heck of a lot. Most artists make most
of their money off of their merchandise. Right, But if you're taking what
little I'm making on my music and you're taking that and feeding it into a
computer, and now that computer is spitting out songs that you're going to make
money on. But it's my likeness, it's my style, it's my music.
I think that's theft. I really think that's theft. Well, uh
oh, by the way, yeah a spelfi said in the chat room the
first time, Greta van Fleetch, she thought it was led Zeppelin. Yeah,
well, it'll be so interesting to see where all this goes. And
of course technology does often really alter the course of the music industry. Your
your favorite bandit Kiss this mini kiss, but Kiss approves of many kiss right,
Yeah, are there some kind of a thing there. This is an
individual that the Kiss can look at and say, yeah, we approve or
yeah we don't like you. Don't do this anymore. We can sue you.
You can't do that when you're used to train an entire system. By
the way, you mentioned deep fakes. And before we get to a break
and bring in our next guests, uh, do you remember do you remember
this? A classic moment from Matt Connorton Unleashed from Matt Connorton unleashed does this?
Hey Matt, this is actually you calling in. Thanks for taking my
call. Wow, this is wonderful. I always dreamt of the day where
I'd get to talk to myself. Curious if you remembered to pick up toilet
paper or if you plan to do it on the way home. We needed
to wipe our little bottom. Oh my goodness, Wow, I did not
know that we were out. But I'm really glad that you told or I'm
really glad that I told me. Our little bottom can get a bit messy.
Sometimes it feels like we use too much of that dang stuff toilet pape.
I mean right right toilet pape. I've never actually called is John Hopwood.
Oh John, I'm always thought of him as a father figure, mostly
because he always tries to spank my little bottom. I never let him,
but he keeps asking this must be an AI thing. Yes he does,
he does. How did I know that? I just mostly wanted to say
that I am very nice and very much a sweet little boy, and even
though my bottom gets a bit messy, I am a nice guy and someone
that people love. Ah, that's very nice. Thanks. Oh and one
more thing. Hopwood looks like an eighty six year old toddler and he makes
us mush up bananas for him for lunch. Well, yes, yes,
that is uh goodbye Matt, you at home in the mirror, thank you?
Yes, well very sad. I'll tell you what. That's a first
for me. I've never gotten to speak to myself now. Is it possible
that someone so anyway? Yeah, that was sure. That was a time.
I mean, you guys have that time machine Friday night. That's true.
That's true. No, we should give him a plug. That's actually
from not even a show, our friend Chris James, one of my favorite
Canadians. Uh, not even a show. That was Yes, that that
happened live on my show, but that was him calling my show with a
prank and we we love Chris. Yeah, that was really that was pretty
cool. That was pretty cool. But I did also upload it to my
YouTube channel as well. But yeah, Spelfie said in the chat room,
I say please and thank you when I talked to AI. I hope when
AI takes over the world, maybe if I am polite, they will remember
that and spare me because I was nice to them. Maybe know, war
against the machine. You know. It's funny about that though. Honestly,
and this is true when I'm using chat GPT and I ask it to do
something for me, I I do have a tendency to type please just out
of habit because I'm just I'm unfailingly polite, and I just because if I
know, because if I'm writing, like if I'm writing an email to someone,
you know, I'm going to say please, if I'm asking them to
do something for me, I do just out of habit. I do that
with chat GPT, even though I'm I'm communicating with a do sometimes I think
I've heard you do that. Yeah, Hey, that's what I was raised.
I knew please and thank you. Yes, yes, exactly exactly.
Well, anyway, it's an interesting subject and uh it will be fascinating to
watch as we move forward into this this brave new world of AI, which
in some ways isn't that as new as people perceive it to be. But
that's okay, But but it will be very interesting. Uh So, coming
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