1 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:21,200 Good morning, monsters, and welcome to this special Labor Day. Addition, 2 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:23,799 I hope that you guys are all out there doing whatever it is that you 3 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,519 enjoy. Myself, I'm I'm probably out in the woods right now. Even 4 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:33,680 though this show is live, today's episode is pre recorded, so just keep 5 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:37,439 that in mind going through the rest of today's episode. We're live for you, 6 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:40,879 but prerecorded for me right here. So, as I said, I'm 7 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:44,519 probably out in the woods chasing something furry. I don't know what, but 8 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,040 hopefully that's where I'm at. So let's let's right get let's get right into 9 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,560 this alright. So I want to remind everyone to go out and check out 10 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,079 on the trail of Undiscovered Beast. 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Join now, pick your membership level and let's make this 42 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:57,000 journey even more exciting together. It always I try and be proactive and roll 43 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,720 right from that video into the next video, and it ends up itself off. 44 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,439 I don't know why, but that that is a technical issue, and 45 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:08,720 that's what this show is all about. So there you go. All right, 46 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,279 guys, my guest today, as I remind you is prerecorded. Uh, 47 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:18,040 and my guest is Kathy Strain. Welcome to the show. Hey, 48 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:24,879 thank you for having me. I'm cracking myself up about the disclaimer that anything 49 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,480 I say is just my problem. So that and it's it's funny because the 50 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:34,439 one guest that I needed to play that for was the one that I forgot 51 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:38,759 to play it for, So I thought that was very interesting. I'm like, 52 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,079 oh, here we go. This is a fun roller coaster we're going 53 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,560 down and uh yeah. So, but welcome to the show, Kathy. 54 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:51,439 I'm so happy to have you here. Thank you for having me. Awesome. 55 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:56,680 So why don't you tell a little bit about yourself and how you got 56 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,360 into cryptids and bigfoot and stuff for anybody that's not familiar with Oh sure. 57 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:09,319 I am the forest archaeologist and travel relations program manager for the Stanislas National Forest, 58 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,720 which is in California. We're right adjacent to the Semite National Park if 59 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:16,759 anybody knows where that is, So we're up in the foothills, beautiful country. 60 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,399 I have a bachelor's and master's degree in anthropology. I've been in the 61 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:29,639 Forest service for I don't know thirty five years and been here at the Stanislas 62 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,000 twenty five years and so I'm a lot older than I look, I guess, 63 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:41,600 but I came into big footing really young. I saw a legend of 64 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Boggy Creek when I was the little girl. Had a huge influence on me. 65 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,639 And it around fifth grade or so, I asked my teacher what I 66 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,800 needed to do to study bigfoot for a living, and she said, well, 67 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,079 you probably have to go into anthropology, and I said, okay, 68 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,720 So that was always my pathway. I I dabbled a little bit in geology, 69 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,680 but that didn't last very long because it was math and I don't do 70 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,360 maths. So and so, you know, and I figured it out that 71 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:11,879 I was nobody was going to pay me to study bit foot and so but 72 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,399 by that time, you know, we always spend our time traveling when I 73 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,839 was, you know, growing up, and we went to national parks and 74 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:25,120 national forests and national monuments and stuff. We rarely ever went to fun things 75 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,839 like Disneyland or any of that stuff. My parents were really into the outdoors, 76 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,879 and so it was, you know, anthropology for service was all a 77 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:38,600 natural fit. And then because you're outside all the time, you know, 78 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,959 as an anthropologist archaeologist. When I'm doing is looking for artifacts and sites, 79 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,240 but you can look for footprints at the same time. And I remember it's 80 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 happened to me a couple of times when I've been out doing a survey and 81 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:56,000 come across bit foot footprints before, and so it's just been kind of like, 82 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,279 you know, I don't know if I'm a you know, if I 83 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,000 hit him with a government car, do I get in trouble? You know 84 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,160 what doesn't make it the governments if that happens. So, but I've never 85 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:11,839 seen a bigfoot while on duty with the Force Service. So very interesting now, 86 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,519 I, like I said before we got on the air here, I 87 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,959 have heard, like some interviews with you on Cliff and Bobo Show and stuff 88 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,560 like that you have had big footing colendar as though, correct, Yes, 89 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:28,959 yes I have. I've I have have three sightings in Oklahoma and the area 90 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:37,120 known as Areas with the NAWAC in two thousand and twelve, twenty thirteen, 91 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:43,279 twenty fourteen. And I've had lots of experience here in Tweloma County where I 92 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,759 live as well, but no sightings, just a variety of everything else of 93 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:56,480 howls and footprints, A nest lots of different types of things, but definitely 94 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,720 the the most exciting stuff is of course the sightings, because you know, 95 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:03,440 you know what it is that you're seeing, and versus sometimes when you see 96 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,080 footprints. You know, if you don't know what you're doing, how do 97 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 you know it's just not a double tap bear prints, you know? So 98 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:16,639 so yeah, the sightings are definitely the pinnacle of my experiences. Very cool. 99 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,519 As I was saying to you again before we got on the show here, 100 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,679 you know, I'm well aware of the North of American Wouldave Conservancy and 101 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,600 your work there and stuff, but I wasn't aware of all of your your 102 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:33,559 tribal and Native American research with these creatures. Can you tell us a little 103 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,159 bit? You have a book about all? You tell me about your book 104 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,600 and what's all in there. Well, because of my interest, you know, 105 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:48,240 in bigfoot and the correlation of being an archaeologist and tribal relations, it 106 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,039 just was a natural evolution. I guess. It started when I was on 107 00:09:54,080 --> 00:10:01,519 the Quay National Forest and I was the district archeologist for the Tulli Tulli District, 108 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,320 I guess, and I would help the tribes with some of the projects 109 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,440 they were doing. But we were also doing an excavation. And I knew 110 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,919 about the Harryman pictographs or painted rock before, I had been to them before, 111 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,240 but I didn't know that there were stories behind why those paintings were there. 112 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,919 And I was going over to the Tuli River Indian Reservations and talking with 113 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,080 the elders about this excavation that I was doing, and you know, basically, 114 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,200 what do you guys want me to do if I find human remains? 115 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,600 And what do you want me to do if this happens and stuff? And 116 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,559 I don't even remember how we got on this subject, but they started talking 117 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,440 about Bigfoot and I said, oh, you know, I love Bigfoot. 118 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,559 Blah blah blah. Anyway, long story short. At they towards the end 119 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:58,360 of this long process of doing travel consultation, they said, you know, 120 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:01,960 we really like you. They really had a thing for my My young son 121 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,039 was a flaming redhead, and I couldn't come talk to them unless I brought 122 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 him, and so they would just pass him around. They just thought he 123 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,679 was, you know, the cutest thing they ever saw. And he's an 124 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,360 archaeologist now too, by the way, and also into bit butt. So 125 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,320 they just said, you know, we want to tell you these stories and 126 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,039 it's okay, you know, if you want to write it down, and 127 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:31,240 that we had to go through some iterations of it because they gotten some disagreements 128 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,559 over well, no, you have this wrong, and you have this wrong. 129 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:41,080 But in the end I was given these stories and I kept him to 130 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,960 myself for a very long period of time because I really felt like they were 131 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,039 very important to the tribe and I didn't want to just do whatever with them. 132 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:54,159 And and in two thousand and three I decided, I remember John Green, 133 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,840 they were we were putting they were putting together the Internet National Bigfoot Symposium 134 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,759 and Willow Creek back in I think, yeah, two thousand and three, 135 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,639 and they were looking for people to you know, talk there. And of 136 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:16,519 course, by you know, I had joined the BFRO. I knew who 137 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,960 you know, Meldrum and Grants and all. Grant said, I guess just 138 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,519 already passed away by two thousand and three. But I said, well, 139 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:28,399 you know, it's time for me to kind of show myself. You know 140 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:33,600 that I've been talking to tribes for a very long time and I have this 141 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,200 information. And so I gave a presentation there, which was wonderful because it's 142 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,360 you know, Bob Gimlin, And first time I met Bobo, and first 143 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,519 time I met a whole bunch of people, and that's where I met My 144 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,799 husband was at that conference, and so it was just the start of something 145 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,000 that bloomed. So then, like I said, I had already been gathering 146 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,759 stories and talking to tribes, and so I approached my publisher, which is 147 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:03,399 Hancock House, and I said, you know, would you guys be interested 148 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:05,879 in something like this? And they said, well, you know that's mostly 149 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:11,240 California Pacific Northwest stories. You got more and I said, wow, I 150 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,960 don't know. And about that same time, Craig Woolheater, who was at 151 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 the time. I don't see if I can remember what their old group was 152 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:26,000 called. It was who the NAWAC involved from the previous group, but Craig 153 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,279 Woolheater was and I met him at the two thousand and three symposium. He 154 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:37,000 approached me about giving a talk at the just looked out of my head, 155 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,279 oh, San Antonio, University of Texas and San Antonio, for a big 156 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,039 conference they were doing down there in a big museum displayed a night said okay, 157 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,720 you know, I'd be nice to go down there. Be. You 158 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,360 know, Bob's family lives in Texas, and so it's always a good time 159 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,720 to see family and have a little bit of a vacation. And so I 160 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,000 thought to myself, while I'm going to Texas, I should do right by 161 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:07,039 the tribes down there. Let me see what the Catto and the other tribes 162 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:13,000 say about Bigfoot. And wow, when I dived in, I was like, 163 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,799 I clearly have had a Pacific Northwest blinder on, you know, going 164 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,480 they can't possibly exist outside of California and Oregon and Washington, and then could 165 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,159 you know? It's just blinders. We tend to do that. And so 166 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,759 I got tons of stories. That's what I gave my presentation on. And 167 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:35,519 then I thought, I need to look at the rest of the United States. 168 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:39,320 I need to look at Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, all those 169 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,799 other states. And that's how the book came to be was once I started 170 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:52,720 diving into tribes and their traditional beliefs and other locations, the stuff I gathered 171 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,440 became the book. And that's pretty much how it happened, and pretty much 172 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,879 how I kind of, like, you know, started being more open that 173 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:09,159 Bigfoot is not a Pacific Northwest phenomena. He exists all through the United States, 174 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,600 and then since then, I then said to myself, Kathy, if 175 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:18,799 they if this is a real species in the United States, Well, clearly 176 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,799 he's been here as long as humans have been here, crossed over probably at 177 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:28,159 the same time from the bearing Land Bridge. There's no reason to think that 178 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,799 there isn't bigfoot down in South America. So I started looking into that, 179 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,360 and I have given a couple of presentations on those stories, but I haven't 180 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:39,960 I was thinking about that being my next book, but I just haven't had 181 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,679 the time to put anything together. But essentially the stories are very, very 182 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,840 very very similar to what you find in North America. The names are very 183 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:58,240 similar, they have similar cultural practices such as dances. They don't have any 184 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:04,039 totem poles, but that's a pretty unique art work that happens basically just in 185 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,399 one part of the United States. But they've got baskets, they've got all 186 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,879 kinds of different things, just like what you find in the United States. 187 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:18,639 And so I would say that the language barriers a little harder to get through 188 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:23,399 because I barely speak English alone, you know, Spanish. But when I 189 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:29,360 get the opportunity that is going to be. My next project is to take 190 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:36,519 that material and put it into a book so that all of these continents are 191 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:42,840 represented. That's fascinating. I love it. So if you're okay with this, 192 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:47,919 let's let's dive in more into this because I think this is really really 193 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,639 interesting and stuff. I guess my first question would be, is when you're 194 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:57,559 looking at all these different stories across the United States and even down into South 195 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:07,480 America and Central American stuff, what are you noticing that is the most similar? 196 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,640 Like, like, what are these all these stories have in common and 197 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:19,039 what conclusions can you draw from that? I think, well, one thing 198 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:26,559 that I think is very interesting is in the United States, most tribes consider 199 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,759 Bigfoot to be a brother of some sort, so they acknowledge that he's not 200 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,359 us, but he's similar to us versus in South America, he's very much 201 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,559 just an animal that lives in the woods and they don't kind of have that 202 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:48,039 attachment to him. But other than that, he's stills women. That's a 203 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,799 very common story throughout the United States, Central America, South America. So 204 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,720 you have to always be on your on your guard because you know, it 205 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,200 always makes me feel like there's not many of them and so humans or females 206 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,240 are the logical you know mate to have, and so those are very similar. 207 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,559 Course, hair covered, tall, walks on two legs, bangs on 208 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:22,079 trees, yells, whistles. A common throughout throughout the United States in Central 209 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,359 and South America has never go outside if you hear one whistle, because that's 210 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,599 how they steal you, as they lure you outside in the dark. And 211 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,599 you know, we don't see so good in the dark. I believe the 212 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:36,920 foot see pretty well in the dark. And so that's kind of how you 213 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,240 get stolen, is that you're doing something stupid by being alone in the dark 214 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:47,799 and not know that he's there. And so that the probably one of the 215 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:55,200 best stories was from the sixteen hundreds where a Spanish priest had written down talking 216 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,920 about what the locals said about this animal and it's the sacharooni is the traditional 217 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,759 name for it. It's wild man of the forest, wild man of the 218 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,400 jungle kind of thing, just like we have wild man of the forests and 219 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,799 stuff up here as well. And the priest had noted that when they were 220 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:18,400 talking about this animal, they would talk about his feet. And you know 221 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:25,039 how meldrum always talks about the mid Tarsto break. The priest was describing that 222 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,759 what was unique about this animal is that its hand its feet were just like 223 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,119 its hands, that it could move its feet like a hand, and so 224 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,279 that to me, I always thought that was just well, it's probably talking 225 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,119 about the mid Tarsto break that they could They thought that was weird about this 226 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,000 animal, and so I don't know the name. Body else thought it was 227 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,480 interesting, is me, But a story from the sixteen hundreds, I think 228 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:53,960 for me is fascinating. But yeah, it's just it's clearly the same animal. 229 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,640 I don't think they're quite as big as what we get in North America. 230 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,359 But then again, I don't know that all in North America. They're 231 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,799 all the same size. You know the description like the skunk, the skunk 232 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,160 ape. I don't think it can. As you do get the same stories 233 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,599 of being seven or eight feet tall. I think they're generally six and a 234 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,880 half type. And that's just what you would expect of a diverse animal population. 235 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,119 You grow as big as your environment allows you to, what food resources 236 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,799 are available, how much water, how long do you go in between having 237 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,680 the ability to eat, and so that doesn't that's what I would expect to 238 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,680 see if everywhere, across every single place where a big foot could be, 239 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,519 they're always all eight foot tall, that would be a problem. So natural 240 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:51,400 diversity is what you would see in a healthy animal population as well. It's 241 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,440 probably like adaptations and stuff too. I mean, you know, if a 242 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:59,079 certain species is grown to that climate, they're all going to evolve to a 243 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,160 certain size, to a depth. Do that. And if you're you're inbreeding 244 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,480 with the amount of creatures that are in that area, you're also going to 245 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,119 you know, highlight certain adaptations within height or hair color and stuff as well. 246 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,680 So definitely makes sense. And it's been we think humans have been here. 247 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,079 You know, we're going to be wrong, but you know, the 248 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,400 oldest sites that we get, we think it's roughly ten thousand, but we 249 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:23,480 keep finding stuff to go oop, so I think it's a little older than 250 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:29,680 that. And we of course as anthropologists, you want to talk about being 251 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,839 stuck in a paradigm. But you know, they walked across the land bridge. 252 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,839 We don't really consider voting, you know, what's how do we know 253 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,839 they didn't vote? And they were weren't down here a lot longer seventeen thousand 254 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,480 years ago, But we know Bigfoot's can't vote, so we know Bigfoot had 255 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,799 to walk over the bearing Land Bridge from China at some point. We don't 256 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:57,400 know when, but since the stories seem very embedded, it's it's likely that 257 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:02,880 it was about the same time period massive waves of humans came across as well, 258 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,720 because he's following food too, you know, I don't know if he 259 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:11,359 hat eight megafauna, but he's eating something and you don't know that you're leaving 260 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,680 China and you're going to the Americas, you don't know that. You're just 261 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:21,319 following the resources as they're plentiful, and then you're not finding any other people 262 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 that can fight you over the food, so you just keep going, you 263 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:30,640 know. And so that's we think that's the same thing as how Bigfoot came 264 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:37,039 across, and we don't have I don't I haven't dived into traditional Chinese stories 265 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,480 of you know, where they like pigeons, where they're bigfoots everywhere, and 266 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,160 so they were they were like, no, you leave, go go, 267 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480 go go across that very language because there's so many of you. I mean, 268 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,960 I don't know, we don't know. Well, we'll probably never be 269 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,559 able to know that until we capture one and get a DNA and get it 270 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,880 all figured out of origins, and how many do you need to have to 271 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,319 have a stable population. You know, there's a lot of unanswered questions that 272 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,480 it's going to take a very long time to find the answers to absolutely when 273 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,839 you're looking into the cultural and stuff of these stories, and that do they 274 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,880 do they tell that they have their own language? Do they are they able 275 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,640 to communicate with these creatures or well for North America, of course, a 276 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:30,279 good story you have to have you have to have some amount of that of 277 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:36,480 talking or else it doesn't really help the story. But Condor talks, eagle 278 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,160 talks, you know, all the antichiotes a notorious talker. Usually he's one 279 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:49,519 of those, you know, he's he's a friend to some, almost a 280 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:56,880 god to some, and an enemy to many more. And so for the 281 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:03,720 the it's hard to sort out. Does that mean you think it can talk 282 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,319 and have his own language or is this just part of the story to tell 283 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,960 the story what you're trying to get across. And so I think that they 284 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,480 think. I mean, I've had an elder one time tell me that he 285 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:21,519 or well another elder told me what the elder said, because the elder head 286 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:26,839 or who passed away, and he said that it was a tribe reviving some 287 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,079 of their dances, and so they were drumming and they were doing, you 288 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:36,640 know, trying to get it backstarted what the dance was. And this elder 289 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,759 saw the bigfoot watching what was going on. So he went over and he 290 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,640 said he talked to him and said, why are you here, And the 291 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,400 bigfoot told him I haven't heard this music. I haven't heard this sound in 292 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960 a very long time, and I miss it, and I just want to 293 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,559 sit here and listen to this. He didn't say drum, but this beat 294 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,240 because I miss it, you know, I haven't heard it. And so 295 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,039 the elder said, he told it, all right, that's fine. You 296 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,759 can stay and watch and listen, but don't get any further than where you 297 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,920 are. You're not allowed to come any closer because this is the one day 298 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:23,359 my computer decides the yelling creatures basically, don't come any closer because I don't 299 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:29,359 trust you around these children, and if any of our children show up missing 300 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:34,359 after this, I'm coming after you. And so the elder let him stay 301 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,839 and he sat there and listened to the music and closed his eyes and kind 302 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,359 of nodded to the beat, and then when they were done dancing, he 303 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:48,160 got up and left. And so in that case, there was a language 304 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:56,079 communication, but I've had another elder tell me that it was communication based on 305 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,839 behavior. That So, he had went deer hunt and he had a smaller 306 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,359 deer and it was over his shoulder, and he was walking back to the 307 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,839 reservation and it was near dusk, and he kind of had his head down 308 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,359 because he was tired. It was a long walk, and this trail actually 309 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,920 exists, and so it's one of those trails that comes off the reservation and 310 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,519 goes on to national forests, and it's a very very old trail. And 311 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,960 he was nearly home and all of a sudden, the big foot was in 312 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,400 his path, and he was like, oh, and so this is a 313 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,039 mewalk story. So the mee walk. You never look a big foot in 314 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,880 the eye. You keep your head down so that you don't make eye contact 315 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,279 because that's very disrespectful to the big foot directly, and that's a good way 316 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,200 to die. So essentially he put his head down and then he goes, 317 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,799 well, I'll just walk around him. So he stepped to the side just 318 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,480 to get out of the big Foot's way, and the big foot blocked his 319 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,200 path. He stepped as well over and and blocked his path and goes, 320 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,279 well, I don't know what I'm doing here, and he goes, okay, 321 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,160 so now I'm gonna go the other direction. And so he started to 322 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,200 go step over to go around the other direction, and the bigfoot blocked his 323 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,880 way again, and he could feel him breathing. He could you know, 324 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,920 He said, he could feel the you know, the just his chest going 325 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,839 in and out, and he was getting hot air on top of his head, 326 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,680 and he said it was just could tell he was not going to get 327 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,039 out of there with that deer. And so he was like, well, 328 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,519 all right, So he took the deer off his shoulder and put it on 329 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,960 the ground, and bigfoot moved out of his way and let him continue on. 330 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,599 And so then he went home and he went and told his father what 331 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,839 had happened. And his father said, oh, I'm really sorry. I 332 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,240 forgot to tell you that we owe the bigfoot that lives in this area deer 333 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,640 every year, so you just paid our debts, So thanks for that. 334 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,119 And he was all like, what, you know, nobody ever told me 335 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,400 that before. And so anyway he was and he's telling me the story he 336 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,759 had to be an is. Oh, I'm gonna say late sixties, early 337 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,000 seventies, and he had had later on than had another bigfoot encounter. Anyway, 338 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,559 he was telling me this, and he goes, so, now, 339 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,039 I always make sure I tell everybody, you know, if you're gonna walk 340 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,480 on this path and you have a deer, don't expect to come home with 341 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,880 it, because we owe this bigfoot one a year, and so I just 342 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,599 always enjoy that story. But it was it was a communication through action. 343 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:29,279 So he the bigfoot didn't say to him, put that deer down. He 344 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,359 was just like, I'm gonna make it obvious to you that you're going to 345 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,279 put that deer down. And so so different. I think there's you know, 346 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,559 I don't know that any other animal you would be able to tell, 347 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,599 you know, outside of the raging bear. I guess, you know, 348 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,559 get out of here. It's pretty clear. But I mean to be able 349 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,480 to behave in a manner to convey a point or you know, what you 350 00:28:53,559 --> 00:29:00,759 want done. I think is would be unique to a big foot that the 351 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,759 only other intelligent animal would be humans that could do that. So it was 352 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,200 you know, to me, it's very fascinating, very interesting when when you're 353 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,960 talking about Bigfoot like disregard like personal feelings and stuff like that. But you 354 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,240 know, some people have had these orbs encounters and other like paranormal encounters with 355 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:29,240 these creatures, and I find it interesting. Do you have any stories of 356 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,079 the natives and stuff where do they have an explanation for these lights and orbs 357 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:38,680 in the woods and is that associated for them with Bigfoot or is it its 358 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:45,519 own phenomenon. I have never heard of a Native American ever talking or mentioning 359 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:52,079 orbs under any circumstance. And I've been plenty of different places with plenty of 360 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,799 different tribal people where that is not something that's ever come up. And so 361 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:03,799 I think that's a phenomen not unto itself. I'm not a believer in that. 362 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,279 I think that, you know, there's no reason to think that. 363 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:14,839 I do remember once when I was in the field with Cliff, who else 364 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,319 was there, Monica Rollins, Brian Brown. We were up at Scuoka Meadow 365 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,920 and they couldn't understand it was Brian Brown couldn't understand these what he thought were 366 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,519 orbs in this location, and so I went there, we said, okay, 367 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,880 let's go back at nighttime and let's see what it is that you're seeing. 368 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,640 And they turned out to be fireflies. He just because of where he 369 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,839 was from, he didn't ever see one. And that's you know, so 370 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,759 I think there's always the logical explanations. You know, not everybody can know 371 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,559 everything there is to know, But as a scientist myself, I feel that 372 00:30:52,640 --> 00:31:00,319 there's a duty to just and you need to investigate what it is you think 373 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,599 you are seeing and then try to have a logical, logical explanation of what 374 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:11,559 it truly is, because it's it's pretty easy to see something you don't know 375 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,559 what it is and then lead to your own explanation of what it is, 376 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,039 versus going up to it, seeking it out, trying to figure out what 377 00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:25,039 it is. And and I wish more people would do that instead of just 378 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,799 jump at the first thing that pops in your head, because there's there's always 379 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:37,519 some logical explanation or earthly explanation for what it is that you're experiencing. And 380 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,559 maybe it is weird, maybe it's something common and you just never saw it 381 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,240 before. That that's how my mind works. I don't I don't go to 382 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:52,160 the crazy stuff right off the bat, because you know, that's just not 383 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,000 how my mind works. And I'm not saying, because of the disclaimer that 384 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:02,880 I'm saying people are crazy. I just say times people go to they've heard 385 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,079 of these orbs, and so their mind just goes there instead of just really 386 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:12,039 seeking it out and going act it's just a stupid Fireflyn and I just happened 387 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,599 to be at the right place at the right time and just far enough away 388 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:21,799 where it looked creepy. But you know, I know, I've talked to 389 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:22,920 a lot of guests on the show, and it's, you know, because 390 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,519 you're out there looking for Bigfoot and then you see these lights or these orbs 391 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,640 or something, you automatically assume that it's related. And it absolutely could be, 392 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,759 or it absolutely could be completely unrelated on just this other phenomenon or whatever 393 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:44,920 happens. Yeah, and I tend to go with tribal people have been here 394 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,799 a long longer we have, and if they don't talk about it as being 395 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,759 something that's related, or even they've never even mentioned the concept of it, 396 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:57,240 I don't see why, you know, they're all of a sudden here. 397 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240 I mean, so you know that doesn't seem very large. Seems like whatever's 398 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:06,119 been here has been here the entire time. And so the bit of course, 399 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,440 you know, there are things about nay people talk about that I have 400 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:13,119 no explanation for whatsoever, you know, and so you know, could we 401 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,279 go both ways, but they don't talk about orbs. So so for me, 402 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:22,519 it's kind of a closed door. Very good. So earlier you mentioned 403 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:29,240 that they were talking about the creatures smacking the trees to make the wood knocks 404 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,279 and stuff, and it's always been kind of debated whether it's a wood knock 405 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,480 or a mouth noise or clapping and stuff. Have they actually seen them do 406 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:44,599 this or how how do they explain that that Actually there's several tribes that have 407 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,799 seen it and describe it, and they describe the Bigfoot as as having a 408 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,599 club and that that's what he uses. And it's not always a tree either. 409 00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:00,559 So one tribe in particular was pretty adamant that sometimes it's a tree, 410 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,920 but it's also the ground that he's striking the ground and making those kinds of 411 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,239 noises and so, and it's never a good sound. I mean, they 412 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:16,880 talk about it's it's it's a way of it's not meant for us, it's 413 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,920 meant for the other bigfoot. So it's a communication tool quick to not reveal 414 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,400 yourself, but let who your other bigfoots in the area know that there's humans 415 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:37,000 here. And so oftentimes they don't specifically say it, but it's usually you 416 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,519 know, if you hear that strike, it's you know, you basically go 417 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,119 back where you came from kind of thing. You know, you just don't. 418 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,639 It's it's a you know what it is, doesn't necessarily moore the big 419 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,800 foot meant to let you know that I'm in the area. It's not a 420 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,360 territorial thing. It's more of, hey, hey, bigfoot John, there's 421 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,880 another there's a human here, just letting you know, so that you don't 422 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,960 just pop out in the middle somewhere do something. And so. But it's 423 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,960 also the whistling, you know, the whistling is never that is definitely a 424 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:13,000 never a good thing. And in that case, the bigfoot is communicating on 425 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,199 purpose to try to lure you out. And so it's kind of they do 426 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:22,280 one thing for themselves and another thing on purpose to try to trick humans into 427 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,400 coming outside. So basically all these you know, researchers and investigtors that are 428 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,039 going out doing wood knocks to get communication or basically warding off these creatures because 429 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,440 they're telling them, hey, we're out here, stay away well. And 430 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,320 our woodknocks are never that good. I mean, I've only ever heard like, 431 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,400 we don't really do it all that afternoon because we've only ever really successfully 432 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,679 done one that actually sounded any good. Would they do? We do have 433 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:57,440 this little wood knocker type tool that makes a funny noise, but yeah, 434 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,480 it's it's I mean, we, I guess on occasion, have had a 435 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,440 good response before, but most of the wood knots I have heard were totally 436 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,639 I wasn't doing anything. I was just sitting there being myself. And I 437 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,000 had one one time that it was the loudest thing I ever heard in my 438 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,159 life, and I swore that bigfoot just had to be right there. And 439 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:21,480 I turned my head as quick as possible, and I'm looking through the things, 440 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,840 and I said, he has to be right there because it was just 441 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:29,719 like just like right there. And in that case, the Bigfoot's in and 442 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,280 aria X area. They have they don't like certain males humans, human males 443 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,239 at all. They hate Darryl Collier. I'm just telling you're flat out. 444 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:45,079 You could ask anybody, and they are in particular would have certain reactions to 445 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,039 certain individuals. And so one of our big, one of our members who 446 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:54,840 I was in Arias for in twenty thirteen, I went to Arias for three 447 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,480 weeks while Bob stayed here at the house and took care of our kids, 448 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:01,960 and so it was just me and I was just you know, had to 449 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,239 rely on who my teammates were, and they in particular disliked the team leader 450 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,159 we had on that I think he was the second week I was there, 451 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,599 and every time he did anything, they were on him like they would you 452 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,079 know, they just did not like him. And so did that day when 453 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,199 I was sitting on the porch broad day, like smack just reverberated. My 454 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,280 ears hurt, and I'm like, oh no, you know, it's right 455 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,000 over there, and just like i'd say five minutes maybe at the best, 456 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,559 I could hear his car coming. And so it was clear to me that 457 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,400 they were And every time every time he went into town, they'd knock. 458 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,320 Every time he came back that he'd they'd knock. It was like they just 459 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,320 really did not like him, and they were letting the other bidfits know, 460 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,679 Oh that guy he hates back, you know kind of thing. Never never 461 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,960 did it. When I left or come back, they didn't care what am 462 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,039 I to them. I'm just this little tiny thing that they could hit with 463 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,159 a rock and knock her out. So I always thought that was interesting, 464 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,559 but that was yeah, that's that's when we when we would knock. I 465 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:14,679 don't know that we're conveying necessarily what we want to versus when we use uh 466 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:21,039 call blasts. I think that those have been fairly successful. We have one 467 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,800 one big foot in Tawanna County who always reacts to the Ohio how he just 468 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,400 hates that thing and he will holler back almost instantaneous. I mean, he 469 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,199 hates that thing. And so unfortunately that area was burned in the Rim fire 470 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400 in twenty thirteen. So it's been disruptive, but it'll I think it'll come 471 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,599 back to where we could elicit the same response. So as far as other 472 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:50,400 vocals, when you're talking about that, do you do the native tribes have 473 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:57,119 any thoughts or opinions on like the whoops, what are those conveying. I've 474 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,679 never had anybody ever bring that up with me. I have talked to several 475 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:08,480 elders who were aware of the Siah sounds had had heard them, and that 476 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:14,199 their reaction was quite entertaining in the sense of if I had heard that, 477 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,559 I would just left, I would just go away, you know. Just 478 00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:22,480 that was and I didn't really get them to tell me, is this something 479 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,480 your tribe talks about? They were just like morrified by the whole thing, 480 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,320 and so I didn't. I don't know that that was successful. I probably 481 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,679 should not have brought that particular time that up because it was just it was 482 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,840 uncomfortable for them very much. So so I haven't I haven't had anybody tell 483 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:51,159 me outside of the whistling, they'd not brought up other types of sounds that 484 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:55,760 they think of big footmkes outside of the wood knocking or that type of thing. 485 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,159 Nothing like the gibberish or you know that, that stuff, and you 486 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:06,519 have to kind of think about it. I mean, how would I don't 487 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:14,320 even know how necessarily unless you saw the bigfoot making that noise. I don't 488 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,280 know that that. I'm sure at some point over ten thousand years and native 489 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,639 person saw a bigfoot making that noise or whatever it is, but I don't 490 00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:28,239 know, it may not been important enough to pass on. I mean the 491 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,880 stories that we have. You know that most tribes only they had a time 492 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,920 of telling stories, so you didn't necessarily let me go back. So stories 493 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:47,599 are critical to tribal life because that's how you pass on tribal knowledge. You 494 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,039 know, show you want to teach your kids, who will then teach your 495 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:59,039 grandchildren, who will then teach your great grandchildren. This important knowledge that the 496 00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:04,159 tribe holds. Because when I'm gone, I can't tell you if you have 497 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,559 a headache, this is the plant you need to pick and grind and take. 498 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,440 I have to teach you that as as you grow or else, you 499 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,519 know, because you have to do it more than one time. It isn't 500 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,000 I taught you two plus two equals for once so that I don't have to 501 00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,880 teach you that again. Now. It's it's just like how we learn now 502 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,280 we have We get told things multiple times, and then even then sometimes not 503 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000 we forget pieces of it because we're humans. That's the way it is. 504 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,920 I I often think about that kind of stuff and like, who was the 505 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,639 first person who ate this and decided this was good dat versus this mushroom over 506 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:43,559 here that made you crazy? You know, and but it's you pass it 507 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,159 along. You know that this is bad, this is good, and every 508 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,199 time you see it, this is bad, this is good, and then 509 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,679 then you know you keep doing on. And most tribes talk about there was 510 00:41:54,599 --> 00:42:00,159 those storytelling where you're teaching happened when you're bad at the village. So it's 511 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,719 usually winter storytelling. You don't don't not together as a group, in a 512 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,559 large group anyway, usually in other time periods, because that's when you're getting 513 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,360 your subsistence. Of course, it's different for everybody. You know in Pacific 514 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,559 Northwest and Washington. When you had the salmon runs, of course you had 515 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,199 enough food for two weeks, you had the whole year's worth of food. 516 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,800 But you're still getting berries and other stuff. So so these stories when when 517 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,920 you talk about it, I know, I hear a lot of skeptics talk 518 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,480 about when they're just stories. Indians made stuff up and all this really derogatory 519 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,800 type thing. And it's just like you really think that these tribal people that 520 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,880 have been here for ten thousand plus years made stuff up to entertain themselves. 521 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,320 They I mean, it just it's not a logical way of thinking about it. 522 00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:00,400 They wouldn't be here and have survived all that time without the knowledge of 523 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:07,920 how to live on the land like they did successfully for that long of a 524 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:13,320 period. You know, it's it's when when we came, we disrupted their 525 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:20,280 ability to get to those resources to farm the land or or you know, 526 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,679 subsist off the land. You know, that's how that happened. And so 527 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,119 and I think that's one of those European concepts as well. You know, 528 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,159 when I saw an Indian, he'd look like, you couldn't survive without us, 529 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:36,400 and blah blah. Well that's because you disrupted their normal lifestyle. And 530 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,039 so when they tell stories, you only also only have so much time to 531 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,559 tell the story. And so I think certain things that didn't really matter or 532 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,960 you know, maybe didn't get conveyed or got forgotten. So I'm sure native 533 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,159 people saw them, and and that's of course making the assumption they're the ones 534 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,440 that are making that noise. You know, they didn't. In the Serra 535 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,039 Sands. Ron didn't see them making that noise either. He just was deep 536 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:07,880 in the wilderness that sounds being made. They just had all this other stuff 537 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,320 happen, and it's you know, it's pretty creepy. And I don't know 538 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,039 if any human that does that, you know, and so we can put 539 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:20,119 you know, infer that that was a bigfoot. But if Native Americans had 540 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,679 experienced that, it's lost through time. I guess it's the best way to 541 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,159 put it. It wasn't something that was so critical that they repeated it time 542 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,800 and time and time again, versus like whistling, that was life and death, 543 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,920 you know kind of thing. I had to keep telling you this because 544 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,320 cousin Ida got kidnapped and now she's some kind of you know, bride of 545 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,639 you know, Bigfoot John, and we don't want that to happen to you. 546 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,719 So we're really emphasizing when you hear this, do not do this. 547 00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:58,400 It's critical versus you know, I heard, you know, Bigfoot John was 548 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,800 over there doing some gibberish stuff and I don't know what he said. And 549 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,360 not don't only Chara because it didn't have anything to do with me. It 550 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,320 might be that kind of situation where it just wasn't important enough, or it 551 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,960 was conveyed and it's been forgotten in time. But but I have never heard 552 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:20,400 a tribal person if they talk about talk, they're talking about this. Bigfoot 553 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,920 told me this, and it has always conveyed to me that it was with 554 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:34,000 words, it was in their native language. So have you ever had any 555 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,639 stories about like the stick structures or anything of why those are made or what 556 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:45,559 they mean. I haven't, but do talk about, you know, he 557 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,000 lives in the forest at night, and they have mentioned that he makes beds. 558 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,960 I haven't heard of anything like that. There was a structure or anything 559 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,960 about. They never called them ness or anything like that. They just said 560 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,119 he makes beds, you know, and you knew when you saw one and 561 00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,480 what it was, you know, kind of thing, and it always usually 562 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,119 had something to do with a bear, that you could tell the difference between 563 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:13,880 a bear bed and a bigfoot bed, and and and and usually there was 564 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:21,199 They have this old saying which I have come to enjoy and believe myself, 565 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,360 that if you see one, there's more than one. That they're rarely by 566 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,199 themselves, and so usually you're you're if you saw the one, there's probably 567 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,599 something right back there over there kind of watching you as well, and so 568 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,719 don't do stupid things. So but yeah, nothing like stick structors that have 569 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,440 come across to me as that's what they're describing, you know. And sometimes 570 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,639 that that's that's a different thing too, because we use things like stick structures, 571 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:58,679 and to native person, I don't know that they that I don't know 572 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,000 that that would be to them what it is to us necessarily, you know. 573 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:08,000 But they don't talk about making like any kind of like other's kind of 574 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:12,880 symbols that market territory or anything like that. But they did. Most of 575 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,400 that was based on knowledge. Like several tribes told me that you had when 576 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,239 you went to pick berries, this was your berry patch, the human berry 577 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,079 patch, and that over there is his. Don't take berries from that one. 578 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,960 I'm pointing like you can see me a point, but I talk with 579 00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:38,599 my hands, but essentially that this was our resource, that's his resource. 580 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,079 Don't take from his resource because it will cause problems. And there's a lot 581 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:49,079 of tribes that have those types of things like this is where he gets his 582 00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,960 fish, this is where we get our fish, this is where we do 583 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,440 this, we do that, and we don't. It was like they come 584 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,760 to a piece you know, this this, and tribes do talk about that. 585 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,880 They you know, have treaties or agreements with the bigfoots that lived in 586 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,960 an area, and that there were times where they had to purposely kill one 587 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:16,400 because he wasn't behaving himself, he was taking children for food or doing something 588 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,119 you should be doing. They would and they'd say, hey, we've had 589 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,199 enough of that. One of the very famous ones is luck Lovelock Cave in 590 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:31,280 Nevada, where the bigfoots were taking the the children so much sort that they 591 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,840 went up to him and they said, hey, you're gonna have to knock 592 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,800 this off because you're killing our children and we don't like and if you don't 593 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,920 do what, we're going to kill you. And they did it again, 594 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:45,639 and so they trapped him in that love Lock cave and set it on put 595 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,519 some brushkins, and they even were so nice. They said, okay, 596 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:52,199 one more warning, really, if you promise not to eat our children, 597 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:52,920 will let you out, and the bit and said no, I mean you're 598 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,800 going to continue to eat eat the children. So they set the brush on 599 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,360 fire and killed all of them, and all of them so they were that 600 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:07,199 was, you know, And there's several stories like that where the washow around 601 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,199 Lake Tapo area has a very similar story where they said, hey, you 602 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,679 know, we don't like you doing this, stop doing it, and the 603 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,639 big fat said no, and so they had a war, and the story 604 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,800 goes, the tribe talks about it, we have bows and arrows, all 605 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,599 you guys got his rocks and sticks? Who do you think it's gonna win 606 00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,119 that? And they went, they want it, and the Washow is so 607 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,039 much so that they they this is the most random thing that's ever happened to 608 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:37,719 me. I was sitting in my at my desk in my office and one 609 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960 of my Washow elders called and he goes, you know, I just want 610 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,440 to let you know because it's time for me to tell you this, that 611 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:50,199 you have three bigfoot in your territory and the one lives over that basically in 612 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,760 Calaveras County is a jerk and this is his name, and he's not a 613 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,280 nice one and I'm just letting you And I said, well, oh, 614 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,400 I said what about the one and towel, because oh no, they're great 615 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,079 and I went okay, and then he just hung up, and I was 616 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,119 like, I didn't I didn't write down the nature gave me because like, 617 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,960 well, I couldn't have spelled it any before I wanted to. That reminds 618 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,119 me I need to talk to him because he's retired now, and so I 619 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:15,920 think I could probably get more information out of him that, but it was 620 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,599 just the most random thing that he just called me up and goes, you 621 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,760 you need to know this and that one over there, and it's it's interesting 622 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:30,159 because I've heard about this jerk in Calaveras County now several times that they even 623 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:37,239 have it. He has his own name because he's just a mean bigfoot and 624 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,440 basically they don't like him and they try to stay away from him. And 625 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:45,760 so anyway, I always just thought that was pretty funny that I don't know 626 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,440 how I got on this subject, but anyway, it was in regards to 627 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,679 beds, I guess. But no, they don't talk about anything. It's 628 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,320 it's if it and maybe it's not my time to learn it. I mean, 629 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,440 that's that's so a fair statement too. Maybe all this time they know 630 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,360 they talk gibberish or whatever you want to call that language, but it's not 631 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,159 I don't get I even earned it yet to get that kind of information. 632 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:19,039 So because I think technically I'm just sure I'm officially the age of an elder. 633 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:24,960 So maybe, well good luck to you. I don't know if I 634 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:34,039 want to know. Yeah, so to maybe change topics and maybe not. 635 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:38,400 I'm not sure, but I've I've heard stories up in our area Wisconsin, 636 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,320 Minnesota, and Michigan area, and I'm gonna tell you a little bit about 637 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,840 what I've heard, and I want to see if you've heard anything similar or 638 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,719 if this is something totally different. So up by us we have what is 639 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,360 known as the red haired giants, and these are like the miners. They 640 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,679 were supposed to like mine copper and or and stuff out of the land. 641 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,239 And they're supposed to have a double roll of teeth, so they have two 642 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,760 sets of teeth and said just the one, which is what I've heard, 643 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:14,880 and they had six fingers according to legend and stuff. And these red haired 644 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,519 giants went to war with some of the native tribes around here, and the 645 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:23,400 native tribes ended up killing them all off. So have you heard any of 646 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,559 these stories? Does that match anything you've heard? And do you think that 647 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,440 those are the same as these big foot creatures. I have heard that story. 648 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,760 I did not hear that they had double road teeth or six fingers. 649 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,079 It was just the red haired giants that went to war and that they got 650 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:46,480 all killed off and the the I don't know why an animals have two road 651 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:51,440 teeth. I mean that kind of I don't know to make you sure you 652 00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,199 fion, I guess if yeah, yeah, they tear into flesh like like 653 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,880 a snow business. But this is not shark week, so just from the 654 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,920 Yeah, sorry, that's okay, But no, I hadn't heard those particular 655 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:12,920 details, but that you know, different you know, storytellers might have different 656 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,840 details, so I don't doubt it. But I always understood those to be 657 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,800 bigfoot. That was what that's my understanding is that that is a is a 658 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,440 bigfoot. So so do you have any stories, like I said, like 659 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,760 these things were supposed to be mining copper, you know, in in our 660 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,079 area and stuff, So do you know of any of the I mean they 661 00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:39,800 have minds that they found where these things were supposedly that these minds were made 662 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,360 and worked by the red haired giants, And I mean this is all local 663 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,960 like up here and stuff like books on it of of our area and that, 664 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,519 so I don't know. Well, it's it's very interesting in the sense 665 00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:59,800 because I don't know what they would be using copper for, and so big 666 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:05,119 it is an animal, and like all animals, do you seek out what 667 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,039 you need to survive? And I can't unless it was like something like a 668 00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:16,599 salt mine. I think they wouldn't have any use for minerals because that's a 669 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:27,079 very human concept of something valuable to us. Why would copper be valuable to 670 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,159 or? And you can't eat it, it doesn't provide any nutrients, and 671 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,480 I can you know unless it's in a different format. But most tribes that 672 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:44,440 I have talked to, if if a bigfoot had a human product, it 673 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:49,239 was because they got it through trading with Native Americans. And so bigfoot is 674 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:55,679 pretty universal a very good hunter, and it was not unusual for bigfoot to 675 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:02,599 bring to a tribe a deer and in exchange for that, you gave them 676 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:08,719 something like a basket, or you gave them like they could not process. 677 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:17,679 This is actually a really good story that the tribe in the Two Indian Reservation 678 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,280 tribe, they had a story that you never ever turned your back when So 679 00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:30,159 a very staple food here in California is acorns and you have to pound it 680 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,519 up and then leach it to get the bitterness out of it. But and 681 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,840 then once you do that, it's got all kinds and nutrition and it it's 682 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:45,880 just a really heavy in proteins and just a valuable food resource. And they 683 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:52,599 would always said, never have your back while you're milling to giants kia growths, 684 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:59,079 because giants kias, which are like been redwoods, that's Bigfoot's territory. 685 00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:05,159 And he would hear you pounding the acorn and then he'll wait until you're you're 686 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,880 leaching the and then he'll steal it because he loves it. So that was 687 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,519 also a common thing that was traded, were these because he can't process it. 688 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,400 He doesn't know how to pound it and then leach it and for how 689 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,159 long to leach it, And so that was something they would trade for a 690 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,559 lot, as well as pine nuts that were available, because he didn't know 691 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:30,039 how to which ones were good to eat not to eat, and how to 692 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,639 get it out of the shell. You know, he did wasn't as dexterious, 693 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,360 a dep terious couldn't couldn't put his fingers together to get them that out. 694 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,079 And so so that was what they would say, is that if he 695 00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,000 had this, usually it was because of trade, and occasionally he would steal 696 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,320 things because he thought it was cute and training and stuff, but usually it 697 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,920 was a gift, you know that that I'm gonna in exchange for this. 698 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,679 I'm gonna give you this, and you're gonna give me that. And so 699 00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:00,159 unless the Bigfoots were doing that for humans where they were milling the copper and 700 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:06,679 using it to exchange to the local tribe, that's the only way I would 701 00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:12,800 see that working is that they were doing it on the behalf of humans to 702 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,199 get something out of the humans. And I have not heard that as being 703 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:25,119 a that the tribes were trading for that. So I don't know that's that's 704 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,800 the only way I can figure that he would that he would do, but 705 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,199 they would probably would be pretty good. I've often hoped we can figure this 706 00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:35,239 out so that we can, you know, get some of those and put 707 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,079 them on the front line for Dallas Cowboys or maybe they can win a game 708 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:43,599 once and all. Very good, very good. Yeah, And you couldn't 709 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,599 be right with that line of thinking and stuff, because I think here in 710 00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:53,239 Wisconsin we had supposedly there's stories of these giant skeletons that were buried with the 711 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:59,280 natives down by the Madison area and stuff, and if they were trading or 712 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,639 something with these people, that could be why they were doing it. Well, 713 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,280 yeah, and there are stories like I can't remember the name of the 714 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,360 tribe right this minute, but when they were being moved along the Trelo teers 715 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:19,599 to their current location, the tribe talked about the Bigfoot followed them, and 716 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,480 the tribe kept telling them, no, you don't, you don't want to 717 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,280 come with us, and they said, we can't live without you, your 718 00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:30,480 ours and we're yours. They very close relationship. And they said, okay, 719 00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:34,639 fine, but you can't camp near us. You have to camp away 720 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,679 so that the white people can't see you. And so they talked about being 721 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,920 able to see their fires just outside, so they knew that they were still 722 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,559 there and still going to follow them. And but that's how they came to 723 00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:52,360 that location, was that they walked with them from their original lands. And 724 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:58,760 so I can't remember the name of the tribe that talked about that, but 725 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,760 but anyway, so that's a that's it's always possible. I mean, the 726 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:10,960 yogt or the Tuleenian an elder soul can't go on to heaven and less Bigfoot 727 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,000 comes and takes that soul there. So he's critical to their survival. And 728 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:21,920 they have a song that talks about that that only women can sing. But 729 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,760 it's he's critical to them. So I can see very much that, like 730 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,960 I said in the beginning, some tribes he's awful. That's giants, cannibals, 731 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,360 and monsters. That's why where I got that title was to some he's 732 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,000 just a friendly giant. To others, he's a cannibal that eats our kids, 733 00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:44,199 and then he's a monster to others. So it's I think those relationships 734 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:50,119 are based on personalities, just like we have personalities. I think every I 735 00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,320 mean, my cat has more personality than some humans I've met lately. So 736 00:59:53,599 --> 01:00:01,199 it's very possible that some bigfoot grew would be dependent or have a have a 737 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:07,000 very happy existence with their local tribe versus I think in other locations you just 738 01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:14,760 had some bad behaving bitfoots that were in conflict with the tribes and so, 739 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:20,360 but I would think for your story, if those red haired giants were providing 740 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,079 the tribe with something, then why would you go to war with them? 741 01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:30,000 So usually you don't go to war with a friend. And you know that 742 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,639 that sounds to me, that comes across to me as you're an enemy and 743 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,440 we once you gone out out of this territory, and much so that they 744 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,400 didn't just kill one. They killed them all. And I do believe that 745 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,519 goes back to your story of the stealing the children and the women that they 746 01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:50,639 said that they went to war with the red hair giants. Now, yeah, 747 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,119 and it's a really interesting Well, of course there's nobody if if they 748 01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:57,800 had lost the war. I don't know that that story, you know that 749 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,559 that would make it this far, you know, because you don't they tell 750 01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:04,679 stories of your defeat. So we only get the winds we were. Yeah, 751 01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:07,599 we wiped them all out, not just the one. So history is 752 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:13,119 always told by the winners. Yea, written by the line, not the 753 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:16,800 lamb. I've we're coming up on the end of the hour here and I 754 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,880 have two more questions for you really quick. Have you heard anything about you 755 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,719 You kind of mentioned there of them using fire? Have have that? Has 756 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,159 that come across a lot? Because I heard when like I think you kind 757 01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:35,360 of touched on that too, is when the white man came the tribes and 758 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,519 stuff told them to stop using fire because that's how they can find you. 759 01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:43,360 The tribes do talk about their their ability to use fire. Yeah, they 760 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:51,280 they They're trying to think of this one that I can't remember quite the whole 761 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,639 story. But yeah, that they cook their food that they eat. They 762 01:01:54,639 --> 01:02:00,239 don't eat Robby that but that's not universal, that's that's isolated to just a 763 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,480 few tribes. But yeah, that's they do talk about him being able to 764 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:07,159 use fire. Yeah, it always comes across use fire. I've never asked 765 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:12,679 do they make fire? Use fire? You know, something else is going 766 01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:17,119 on and you're just carrying it around with you versus I assume that they that 767 01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:21,880 they assumed that he could make fire, not just use it. But yeah, 768 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,079 fires, Well, I have heard like the tribes and stuff used to 769 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:30,840 have used to carry fire with them, like from whenever they were on the 770 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,159 move and stuff they could carry like burning embers and stuff because it was hard 771 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,480 to restart it. So well, I mean all tribes have a way of 772 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:42,800 making fire, and I've tried to do the local and it's just easier to 773 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,039 carry some moss. Yeah, they have a look, they have a pouch 774 01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:51,280 that was known as the fire where they would keep you know, an ember 775 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,719 or a cold and that it would just help it go faster. But yeah, 776 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:02,760 they have multiple ways of making fire themselves human right, And you mentioned 777 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,360 like there was a song about that women could only sing about you know the 778 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:14,239 big stuff. Is there anywhere online or websites or CDs or anything that you 779 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:20,280 can go to find these songs, these Bible songs and more information on this. 780 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,639 No, I am the I have recorded it and I was given permission 781 01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:29,960 to record it, and if you ever, I actually have several recordings that 782 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:32,119 I'm the only person who has it because I got permission to do it, 783 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,440 and I do when I give talks. It's one of the songs that I 784 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,239 do play because it's such a beautiful songs and it's really funny because probably one 785 01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:46,239 of the most powerful things that ever. I've had a lot of powerful things, 786 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:52,079 but one day, so that's it's it belongs to the yoke. It's 787 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:57,239 Julie River song. And one day I was at this place we called wakaloo 788 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,960 Hepio and it's a campground, but we it's built around a village, so 789 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:10,320 there's a Native American village there and we have the important parts all fenced off 790 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,159 from the public, and the public doesn't want to have anything to do with 791 01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,119 it because it's also kind of creepy looking because we haven't cleared out the brush 792 01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:19,679 or anything in there, so it's hard to walk in and one of my 793 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:27,559 very special elders named ar Veda had had a bigfoot experience. I don't know, 794 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:33,760 like at that time, probably would have been twenty years from that time 795 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,719 period, and it's probably been another ten years since then, says, you 796 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:44,199 know, thirty years in the past. And I was there and I had 797 01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,760 just walked up to her and she closed her eyes and she sang that song 798 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:55,320 and I was just like, whoa, why did you do that? You 799 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,920 know kind of thing, because I recognized it. I can sing it. 800 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,840 I mean, I've heard that, I played it enough, I can sing 801 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,840 it. And she just looked up and she looked at me and she goes, 802 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,920 I don't know. I just felt like you needed that, and it 803 01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:12,639 came just came to me and I just went I don't know, and it 804 01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,760 was just it was so powerful. I wanted to cry because it was just 805 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,719 like and I don't remember now why I needed it, but I did need 806 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,199 something at that moment. I don't I don't recall now what the issue was, 807 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:27,039 but I was something sad had happened to me, and I was just 808 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:32,280 like in a bummer place and it just filled me with I don't know, 809 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,440 it just filled filled me with God telling me you're you're on a good path, 810 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:42,480 don't let stuff bother you. And it probably was something to do with 811 01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:46,000 Bigfoot that somebody had, you know, read me the riot act, or 812 01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:49,679 wasn't nice to me, or something somewhere in the in the in the cyber 813 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,960 world of real human beings that can talk bad to each other and not feel 814 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,000 bad about it, something to that effect. I don't remember, but I 815 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,559 just always just thought that it was that she thought she had never heard the 816 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:08,920 song before. She's she said it was it came to her and overwhelmed her. 817 01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:12,800 And since it's a Bigfoot song, well, Chris, we're still here, 818 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,519 so it wasn't meant to take us anywhere, but it was. I 819 01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,039 think it was just a way of communicating to me that it's okay, you 820 01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:21,360 know. And maybe bigfoots the one who sent it. I don't know. 821 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,480 I don't know, but I just remember when I got home, I told 822 01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,079 Bob that, and his whole face went, you know, oh my god, 823 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,239 you know kind of thing. Because there's no reason for her to have 824 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:38,239 known that song, because she's not Yoka, She's she's Mawalk. So that's 825 01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:44,239 really cool, good old creepy story to send it down. Awesome. Again, 826 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,039 I appreciate your stories and all your hard work and everything that you're doing 827 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,480 out there. I think it's amazing that you know, you're you're actively trying 828 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:56,760 to keep these stories alive, to share them and treat them with respect that 829 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,199 they need. And yeah, and it's important because cod was really really, 830 01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:08,480 really really hard on tribal elders across across the States, and so you know 831 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,159 people I and I don't need to tell that to tribal people. They know 832 01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:16,239 how important their elders are. But it's it's it's sad and heartbreaking at the 833 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:21,360 same time because I know I wish I had done more and the time I 834 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,280 had with them, but I learned other things too. You know, I 835 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,239 didn't just learn. We didn't always talk about grip foot. You know. 836 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,320 Part of my job was to to listen to them about all kinds of things, 837 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,400 and so I know I know more about what plants not to eat and 838 01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:42,199 to eat, and tasted more things that I would never ever ever tried to 839 01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:47,519 eat before, but I got I got that knowledge now. So very cool. 840 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,199 Well, I appreciate all your work and I just want to say thank 841 01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:54,119 you for everything that you've done well. Thank you for having me on. 842 01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:58,039 I enjoyed this, it was are a lot of fun. Absolutely, thank 843 01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:01,079 you so much. Can you real quick just so everybody where they can find 844 01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:04,920 the North American Woodape Conservancy and the stuff that you've done there, because we 845 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,239 barely touched on that and anything else. Any other webplits that you have or 846 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,920 work that you've done. Sure where woodape dot org and so you can visit. 847 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,520 There's all kinds of neat sounds, lots of If you want to know 848 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:25,000 more about my experiences, they have the icought Oacheetah. I've got the name 849 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:31,720 of it, but it's a very large, free to download paper on experiences 850 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:39,000 our teams have had. It's wachitazial name. But uh there's also the tag 851 01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,800 seven paper on there if you want to learn more about that. If you 852 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,840 want to pick up my book, it's available through Hancock House. It's an 853 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,479 out of print so this is a second print and it's not as quite as 854 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,800 pretty as the first one, but it is what it is. And other 855 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,920 than that, you know, if you ever want to get a hold of 856 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,880 me, can find me on Facebook. I don't I don't have my own 857 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,159 website or anything. Like that, because I just don't have the time to 858 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:09,319 do any of that stuff anymore. Right, They tell you you're post have 859 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,399 lots of time the older you get, but it just seems like I get 860 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,079 more and more busy with things that I need to do than when I was, 861 01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:17,680 you know, fourteen, So like I had a lot of free time 862 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:24,039 when I was fourteen, I have no free time now. So awesome. 863 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,159 Do you have any conventions coming up here after August that you're going to be 864 01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,640 speaking out or anything else? I know the My next one is at the 865 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:36,399 end of August, so and it's pretty vocal to Tsawami County. So so 866 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:41,720 I have anything else on the books, mostly because I'm busy filming. I'm 867 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,359 on a regular on a show called Proof. The Proof is out there. 868 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:51,479 It's on Friday nights on the History Channel at seven o'clock Pacific, so that 869 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:58,159 would make it at ten o'clock Eastern time. Anyway, I'm I have two 870 01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,159 more filming sessions I need to do with them, So that's kind of takes 871 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:06,199 up most of my time lately. So this we're in our we're filming for 872 01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:12,840 the fourth season now, so and Cliff Barrickman is on it as well. 873 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,279 Meldrum makes an appearance once in a while. There's a lot of good people 874 01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:19,720 on there that and I really really enjoy the show because they let me say 875 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:25,399 whatever. They don't have that disclaimer that says whatever Kathy says, don't it 876 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,000 doesn't thats because I'm pretty I'm usually how do I put this, I'm usually 877 01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:36,520 the the reasonable debunker, I guess, and I get a variety of different 878 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,760 stuff. It's really kind of the only ones. I told them they had 879 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,119 to stop giving me a creepy clown stuff because I don't care for that, 880 01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:45,399 and I think they took me a little bit too seriously when I said I 881 01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:50,680 don't want any more UFOs don't give me that stuff. But I'm I get 882 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:56,680 a variety, so it's it's a lot of fun, very good. Definitely 883 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,000 checked out out as well. All right, anything else you want to add 884 01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:04,640 before we wrap this up? Thank you, Thank you so much for being 885 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:10,680 on the show today. Thank you all right, guys, that is our 886 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,479 show for this week. Happy Labor Day, and again, unfortunately today's episode 887 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,760 was prerecorded. But if you have anything, shoot Kathy a message or leave 888 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,960 it in the comments here, and uh, you know, we can check 889 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,159 that out back or check back at that and see what we got later. 890 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,159 But until next time, guys, I would tell you who's gonna be on 891 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,279 the next show, but I actually don't have any scheduled for the next show 892 01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:33,680 at this time, so it'll be a surprise for both of us. So 893 01:11:33,800 --> 01:12:39,560 until then, I'll see you on the edge can be one