1 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:47,560 Five four three two one zero. It's half eye road, a shoe stop 2 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:57,479 in field, no far now, floating around to see round, floning around, 3 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:40,280 t see Hello, Brest job will Ja Wilsey, Hey, Hey, 4 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:47,480 Hey, hello folks. How are you tonight? Hello Charlotte, Jay Hanger 5 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:53,840 one, Nice to see you, mister, mister t in Tennessee. Awesome, 6 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:57,599 nice, nice, you could make it. John Ayres, Thank you, 7 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:07,319 Craig Roach, researcher extraordinaire, Uncle Bones. Who else we got here 8 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:15,360 tonight? May be it? Sharon, Nice to see you, Eric Sell, 9 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Thank you, buddy for showing up. Appreciate you, and I appreciate 10 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,719 all you guys tuning in to my show. I look forward to it every 11 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:32,599 week. Jennifer Arnold, thank you very much. As as always, if 12 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:38,560 you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. If I'm saying something you like during the 13 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:42,039 show, like it, hit notifications, share, whatever you want to do 14 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:47,479 to spread the word. I see Bristol is in the audience as well. 15 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Hello. Tonight, We're hopefully going to wrap up the segments on bias and 16 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:04,120 we're going to be taking a look at some variety of definitions and hopefully spend 17 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,639 the most of our time on the b f R O classification system. If 18 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:14,120 you're not familiar with it, it's a good guide. Doesn't get us to 19 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,759 reality, as Charlotte, Jay and I were talking about a little in a 20 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:24,759 few minutes ago, but it provides us a guideline or a yardstick that we 21 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:31,319 can use to try and be as objective as possible. To start the show, 22 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:38,039 I'm going to revisit a story many of you regular followers have heard multiple 23 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:46,400 times, and I'm going to truncate it because it can be a long story 24 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:53,000 and I want to include one other story in the presentation tonight. So the 25 00:03:53,080 --> 00:04:00,360 story I'm going to refocus this on for this show that this encounter, B 26 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:06,080 encounter I would call it contained so many important concepts that I keep and that's 27 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,680 why I keep coming back to it. But this is the one where I 28 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,800 was in a group of four Mark Ogilebye, Dan Kegley, who I call 29 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:26,600 mister Braveheart in my book, and myself and George Wrigley, and we were 30 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:38,120 hiking up and hiking back down towards on a fire road above a midway camp 31 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,319 where there were four people observing, and there were two other groups out and 32 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:51,879 as we were about one hundred yards from the steep path where you would take 33 00:04:51,920 --> 00:05:00,079 that steep path back down to the cabin. We had a tree explode and 34 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,439 it sounded like it was exploding right on top of us. Was either a 35 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:08,680 tree break or a tree fall. Sounded more like a complete tree fall. 36 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:17,399 And three of us scattered like cockroaches when you when you turn on the lights. 37 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:21,120 But one of us, Dan Kegley, and this is why I call 38 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:26,639 him braveheart. He just kind of pivoted on his heels and reached for his 39 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,240 k bar, facing up slope and was ready to take on whatever was coming. 40 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:39,240 After the tree fell. It sounded like a landslide was coming down on 41 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:44,399 top of us, And I mean I was looking for the rocks and the 42 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:51,040 trees to come down, but lo and behold, nothing hit the forest road 43 00:05:51,120 --> 00:06:00,399 we were on. And as we were trying to debunk it figure what was 44 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,879 going on, I looked uphill with my red light and I saw some dust 45 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:11,480 settling. And just before I saw the dust settling, I smelled that strong 46 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,920 smell of loam. We tried to debunk it, we couldn't. We couldn't 47 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:23,680 find any other sign. We started heading down that last one hundred yards till 48 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,199 we got to the to the steep slope down to the cabin, and they 49 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,279 radioed up to us from the cabin, are you guys on the steep slope 50 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,399 coming down? Are you on the fire forest road? Well, we're on 51 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:41,399 the forest road. So we got to the steep slope started heading down it 52 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,439 maybe twenty thirty yards and they radiod us again, are you guys on the 53 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,040 steep slope or are in the forest road coming down? And at that point 54 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:56,199 we were kind of agitated that they kept bothering us, and we said, 55 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,360 why are you asking? Well, when you were up on the forest road, 56 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:05,240 we saw some red lights lagging behind you, guys, and now those 57 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:11,279 red lights seemed to be following you down the steep slope. So we all 58 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:15,600 pivoted and looked up, and of course we couldn't see anything. Got down 59 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:19,399 to the cabin to rest before we went down the rest of the mountain back 60 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:26,680 to our base camp, and as we're sitting there, we saw a red 61 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,600 light kind of just what looked like a red light just kind of pop out 62 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,360 behind a tree and pop back in, pop out the other side, pop 63 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:39,959 back in, and a couple people pointed out out at this point. There 64 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:46,560 were sixteen of us at the midway camp, and everybody saw it, and 65 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,319 for about twenty to thirty minutes, not just one red light or one eye 66 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,879 eye glow if you will, if it was a bigfoot, but throughout the 67 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:03,399 whole path there were multiple peepers going on, peeping out from behind a tree, 68 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:09,040 peeping back in, peeping out, peeping back in. And we were 69 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,879 all just amazed at this, and we stayed watching it until that activity stopped. 70 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,199 Next morning, we had aspirations of heading back up to look for sign. 71 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,920 We had marked the spot where this happened with two sticks making an X 72 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,920 standing vertically in the ground. We shoved the sticks down on the ground, 73 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:37,600 but us being of the old not old men, but I was the oldest. 74 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,080 But we were pretty beat up, We were pretty tired. It was 75 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,559 a pretty good hike up and back, and a young buck by the name 76 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:52,840 of he said, block on his name. I'm sorry. He deserves a 77 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,919 lot of credit, and I keep walking on his name every time I tell 78 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:00,600 this story. He fresh out of the out of the army, he hikes 79 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:07,399 up to the spot we told him were to look for the for the the 80 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:15,440 x'es and uh couldn't find. He walked up there and lo and behold, 81 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:22,919 found a footprint. He ran back down to base camp, got one of 82 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:31,960 the guys who is most, who was most had the greatest facility with casting, 83 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,039 and they made a cast. And so while they were letting the cast 84 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:43,360 set up, they were looking around finding found another partial print that they couldn't 85 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,919 cast on the forest road. And then they looked at the downside edge of 86 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,559 the forest road and there was a partial print right on the side of the 87 00:09:52,600 --> 00:10:01,759 forest road. And they looked up the next to the tree where the print 88 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,399 was, and there was a bark tear about fifteen foot up on the up 89 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:11,840 on the tree, and it was a fresh bark tear. And when they 90 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:18,399 looked out over the edge about eight foot down, it plateaued off and they 91 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:24,679 counted thirty five to forty juvenile footprints down there. They didn't want to take 92 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,600 the risk and try up to go down and cast them. And so I'm 93 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:37,080 going to revisit this story when we talk about causality versus correlation versus coincidence. 94 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,639 Eric, my good friend, asked a pretty good, pretty good question, 95 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:50,200 do you have any explanation for the red eyes? I think either last show 96 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,399 or the show before it. When we talked about after image, if you 97 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,600 want to be the ultimate skeptical skeptic, you might just write that off to 98 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,720 after images. We're walking around with red lights, we look up, you're 99 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,679 going to get the after image of the red lights. But this was happening 100 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:22,200 in so many locations on that steep path where we just came came down that 101 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,960 that really didn't seem like a plausible explanation. Some people say they their eyes 102 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,600 will reflect the light that is put on them. So we're putting red light 103 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,960 on them, they're going to reflect reflect red light back. You put white 104 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:46,080 light back on them, they're going to reflect white light back. I don't 105 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:54,080 know that we're going to have an actual explanation before we really get and I'm 106 00:11:54,080 --> 00:12:01,440 not promoting kill phenomena or kill philosophy, but until we can study their visual 107 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,519 system, well, I think before we can really answer that. One of 108 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,039 the growing trends, and I think it's an important trend to discuss in the 109 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:20,159 field, however, is that there's a difference between eyeshine and eye glow. 110 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:28,960 Eye shine looking more like a reflection seeing red eyes, where a lot of 111 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:35,840 people report eye glow and an eye glow. It's almost as if their eyes 112 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:43,639 are generating their own light and projecting that light from their eyes onto the ground 113 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,720 or wherever they're looking. And so it's hard to have a scientific explanation for 114 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:58,159 that beyond saying that people consistently report the same two kinds of experiences, an 115 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:05,440 eye glow which seems more or an eye shine that seems more reflective, and 116 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:13,679 an eye glow that looks like it's they're almost generating their own red light from 117 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,759 their eyes. I wish I had a better answer for you, Eric, 118 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:24,000 but that's as much as we can understand at this point. So thank you 119 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:33,879 for that question. So let's pick up with the slides. We're going to 120 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:43,639 cover a few more definitions that I haven't discussed. Confabulation when there's a blank 121 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,759 in your memory system, be it from a neurologic condition like a stroke or 122 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:56,399 a brain injury, or many of the dementing diseases, if it eats away 123 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,399 the right cells in your either in your visual cortex or on the in the 124 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,879 visual nerves. Going back to your cortex, I'm sorry, I'm stuck on. 125 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:13,919 I'm stuck on. Eyeshine. The trauma can in in neurologic conditions, 126 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:20,879 there's damage to the memory centers of the brain. I'm sorry. And in 127 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:31,200 encounters, not necessarily even traumatic encounters, but it's more common in traumatic encounters 128 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:39,240 people will have memory blocks or empty memory spaces where they remember up to a 129 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:50,080 certain point and then they have no memory until hours or days later. And 130 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,399 the important thing to understand about the concept of confabulation is whether it's due to 131 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:01,240 a neurologic condition or a traumatic condition, or just over arousal from any kind 132 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:09,600 of experience, whether it's traumatic or not. It can be associated with memory 133 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:15,480 blocks or memory gaps, if you will, loss of memory, and that 134 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:20,679 creates, if you recall, we discuss something called cognitive dissonance, our brain's 135 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,840 got to kind of reconcile why is it that we can't remember that? And 136 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:31,120 that creates kind of an imbalance in our memory system. And again, in 137 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:37,600 both neurologic and traumatic or almost traumatic conditions where this memory gap exists, it's 138 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,720 not uncommon for the brain to fill in that memory gap. For us. 139 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:52,759 This is one of the reasons why hypnotic induced testimony is not allowed in courts. 140 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:58,480 Number one, the hypnotherapist or hypnotists themselves can make suggestions that can fill 141 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:03,799 in those memory blanks. But even if you're the best hypnotherapist in the world 142 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,799 and you don't do any suggesting that would cause one to fill in that memory 143 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:15,639 gap, the brain will sometimes take care of itself under hypnosis. Doesn't need 144 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:22,120 hypnosis to do it, but it can do it under hypnosis and create memories 145 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,840 that may or may not be accurate. They may or may not be accurate 146 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:37,039 memories, and that's called confabulation, talked about it in neurologic. In effect, 147 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,159 the brain makes something up information, memories, images, sounds to reduce 148 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:51,120 that dissonance, the discomfort due to inconsistency in recollations, recollections, or behaviors 149 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:57,639 associated with the blank spots and consciousness. Now we're going we could spend a 150 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,879 whole show on this next one, and I'm going to treat it kind of 151 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:06,359 lightly here, but it very well in the future may pop up as an 152 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:17,079 entire show because the understanding of the difference between coincidence, correlation, and causality 153 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,960 is imperative. If you're going to go out into the woods and look for 154 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:32,400 bigfoot, people automatically want to go to causality. Bigfoot caused that, but 155 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,039 it could just be a coincidence, or it could be a correlation, so 156 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:45,079 a correlation. A coincidence is defined by Miriam's Dictionary as the act or condition 157 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:49,799 of coinciding, as well as the occurrence of events that happen at the same 158 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:56,480 time by accident but seem to have some connection. There seems to be a 159 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:02,200 connection or a relationship between two things, but in reality they just randomly occurred 160 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,680 together. The most common example of this, I think it seems like baseball 161 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:15,359 players are very superstitious, and they wear a certain pair of shorts and they 162 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,240 pitch a no hitter or they win a game. Well, then they keep 163 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:25,720 wearing those shorts, and as a for a while, they keep winning games. 164 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,799 So they think there's a relationship between the underwear that they wear and whether 165 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:37,880 they win games or not. But it's just a totally random, unconnected thing. 166 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,960 I am gonna I failed to remind us in the beginning. If you 167 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,680 want to, if you want a post that will grab my eye, put 168 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,200 it in caps Planet four twelve. I'm yours because I know a little bit 169 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,200 about you and your experience. I hope you don't mind me putting it up, 170 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:12,960 but obviously, doc if you have an event like I did when I 171 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:18,119 was fourteen, there were four of us, so that's not something that is 172 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:23,880 taken into consideration. Well, that's one of the things that would help help 173 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:32,039 us tease out and rule out just a coincidence. You know, when multiple 174 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:38,799 people see it, it's less likely to be a coincidence. And maybe Eric 175 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:47,160 can remember the diagnostic name for this. There is a type of delusion, 176 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:53,680 however, that is shared by multiple people where they've come to believe certain things, 177 00:19:55,599 --> 00:20:00,000 and it can happen in small groups or large groups. But delusion being 178 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:11,519 a false idea that is maintained in the face of contradictory information. And I'm 179 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:19,440 not Planet four twelve. I am in no way suggesting that this is an 180 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:30,119 explanation for your event. I rewatched that event. For those of you who 181 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,480 don't know Planet four twelve. He had a dog man encounter that is very 182 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,240 harrowing, and I would encourage you to look it up. I'm sure it's 183 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:44,559 posted on his page on four to twelve, and he's been interviewed by a 184 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,759 variety of people about this, and it is one of the most incredible encounters 185 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,119 that I have ever heard, and it was definitely a life threatening encounter. 186 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,319 So in your case, you know, I don't think you four guys had 187 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:07,720 a simultaneous delusion. I I you know, I think you know you're you're 188 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:14,440 following it up there towards causality rather than even correlation based on your story, 189 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:23,599 if that makes any sense to you. Hello, Aspa sixty, Hello John 190 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:30,240 Ayres, I don't know if I caught you. Yeah, Matt emitg is 191 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:37,720 planet four twelve, And I encourage you all to check out one of his 192 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:47,680 interviews about this event because it is incredible and a harrowing kind of experience for 193 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:56,839 sure. Moving on to correlation. Correlation is defined as webster by Webster's as 194 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:04,119 a relationship existing between phenomen or things, between phenomena or things, or between 195 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:12,279 mathematical or statistical variables which tend to vary, be associated, or occur together 196 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:18,240 in a way that's not expected on the basis of chance alone. So this 197 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:27,079 isn't just an accident. There's a relationship going on here, Charlotte, Jay, 198 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:36,920 thank you for that. It's all fall I'm not good with French fall 199 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:44,359 adou is the kind of group the group delusion that it can occur, and 200 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,400 that's actually in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Good work, Charlotte Jay. 201 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,319 I appreciate that very much. So in a correlation, there is a connection. 202 00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:00,400 There is a relationship between these two events. The example are like to 203 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:07,000 use here mostly because I was It took me a while to realize this, 204 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:17,680 but I thought, well, the professor astes, is there a causal relationship 205 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:27,559 between rising temperatures or is it a correlational relationship between rising temperatures? And I'm 206 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:37,000 sitting there thinking, well, you know, as temperatures increase, ice cream 207 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:42,640 begins to melt, so there must be a causal relationship between ice cream melting 208 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,400 and temperatures rising. Well, it took me a while to see the light, 209 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:56,079 but the fact of the nature is rising temperatures do not cause ice cream 210 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,680 to melt. For a causal relationship and ship you have to have a one 211 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:10,079 hundred percent correlation, so that every time one variable changes, the variable that 212 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,119 it influences changes in either the same or the opposite direction. So I thought, 213 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:22,000 surely there's a causal relationship in In fact, though, if you think 214 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:30,720 about it, if the ice cream is frozen at minus thirty degrees fahrenheit, 215 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:40,440 as that temperature warms up, it rises from minus thirty degrees fahrenheit to minus 216 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,039 twenty degrees fahrenheit to minus ten degrees fahrenheit. You know what, it's still 217 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:53,480 frozen. So there is not a causal relationship between rising temperatures and ice cream 218 00:24:53,559 --> 00:25:00,039 melting when it's out of a freezer, of course, until you get a 219 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:07,400 above thirty two degrees fahrenheit. I believe that's zero degrees celsius. Then as 220 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,400 the temperature goes up the ice cream, the ice cream melts, but before 221 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,920 that there's no melting going on. So it's a co relationship. The way 222 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:25,599 to understand correlation is it's a co relationship. The two variables are related to 223 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:33,519 each other. Got another question, another good one, John, Would any 224 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:41,319 of those delusions ever show in signs of PTSD. It would be where like 225 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:48,240 if all four people had a traumatizing experience and they all experienced it at the 226 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:56,400 same time. Yes, it's possible if they developed what I would call a 227 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:07,039 severe PTSD, that they could as a group develop that delusion, but it 228 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:15,599 would have to be severe PTSD and that that delusion. Darlette, Jay, 229 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,200 what was it again? Oh? I wanted to take another stab at the 230 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:33,240 French but it could potentially because folks who get severe PTSD can become delusional, 231 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:41,119 they can hallucinate, but that's generally a pretty extreme case. I hope that 232 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:52,279 answers your question. The big c causality and this is what we need. 233 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,519 This is what we're about in Bigfoot. We're trying to prove Bigfoot exists. 234 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:04,480 So the kind of the current norm in the field is we go out and 235 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:11,279 we look for bigfoot sign we look for footprints, we look for we listen 236 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:23,200 for whoops or howls or grunts, any kind of vocalization that Bigfoot might put 237 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:37,960 out, and you know, tree knocks. So keeping in mind that causality 238 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:44,039 means one hundred percent relationship, I would ask you to ask yourself, is 239 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:49,839 there a causal relationship between tree knocks and Bigfoot? Because we're using tree knocks 240 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,079 as evidence that Bigfoot exists. Keep in mind that's why we're focused on it. 241 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,119 We hear a tree knock, we rule out other things that could be 242 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,160 creating that sound, and if nothing else explains it, then we say Bigfoot. 243 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:15,000 Well, do tree knocks cause our tree nocks caused by Bigfoot? Or 244 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,519 if we do a tree knock and we get a tree dock back? Did 245 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:30,920 our knock cause Bigfoot to make a knock back? Well, one of the 246 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:38,759 things we already know from experiential research is there's not a causal relationship between tree 247 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:49,279 knocks and bigfoot. Even after we eliminate all the other possible variables, it's 248 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:56,039 not a causal relationship. Why is that? I'm going to pull up this 249 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,799 question because it's a good time in timeliness? Does it always have to be 250 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:11,559 one hundred percent? And he mo allowed more allowed? Well, so for 251 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,559 causality you need one hundred percent relationship if you want to rely on experiential variables 252 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:29,519 to prove the existence of bigfoot. I guess theoretically there could be greater than 253 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:37,079 one hundred percent relationship in that sometimes bigfoots initiate the knox themselves. But we 254 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,519 already know from oh legacy nicely trained dogs. Hey, how are you my 255 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,519 friend? Good question. I'm glad you're here, Thank you very much. 256 00:29:55,599 --> 00:30:03,640 So. The reason we know that tree knocks are not a causal relationship, 257 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:08,720 that there's not a causal relationship between us making a tree knock and a tree 258 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:15,200 nck coming back to us is because every time we make a knock, do 259 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,400 we get a knock back. No, we don't. Sometimes we get knocks 260 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:29,440 back, sometimes we don't. Simply, given the fact that we don't get 261 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:37,160 a knock for knock return, that eliminates it being one hundred percent statistical relationship. 262 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,319 Because there are frequent times where you make a knock and a bigfoot doesn't 263 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,240 knock back. They may then respond to a claque, a stone clack, 264 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,880 They may respond to some other things, but they also don't respond one hundred 265 00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,599 percent to those other things. So we already know tree knocks don't cause bigfoot 266 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,319 to knock back one hundred percent. And therefore this is why in getting science 267 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:14,519 to accept Bigfoot's existence, when we cite things like footprints or tree knocks, 268 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:22,000 we get kind of scoffed at because there's not one hundred percent relationship between those 269 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:30,279 kinds of evidence and Bigfoot. Let's go back to my story of what I 270 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,160 call the landslide story. It was either a landslide or a bluff charge in 271 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:45,599 my opinion, But is it did Bigfoot cause that next morning when when Jason 272 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:55,519 Mixon, thank you, Jason Mixon went up there and cast that print, 273 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:07,279 he found that print there. Now, given the shape and size and the 274 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,400 identifying characteristics. I saw that. I saw that that print and it was 275 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:19,720 eight I believe eighteen inches long and eight or nine inches wide, and you 276 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:29,160 could see every bone in the foot. You could see the the mid tarsal 277 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,759 break on the cast, and you could see the dermal ridges on the cast. 278 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,039 So it meant most you know, the criteria that we have for a 279 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:45,599 genuine big foot print. But can we say if if it wasn't that good 280 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:50,920 of a print, can we say, based on the experience that we had 281 00:32:52,319 --> 00:33:00,559 that we know that that bigfoot caused that print that night, we can say 282 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:09,599 there's a correlation there, but we can't necessarily say bigfoot caused it because we 283 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:16,039 didn't see bigfoot cause it, and so we're deducing. I think it's a 284 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:25,240 reasonable deduction that bigfoot caused it, But in terms of being able to say 285 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:34,720 with scientific certainty that bigfoot caused it, we can't what would what would be 286 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,319 a causal relationship. Every time we know of bigfoot's in the area, we 287 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,319 find a footprint. Again, if you've been out in the woods, you 288 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:53,039 know that bigfoots can be in the area, and you can go and never 289 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,559 ever find a footprint. So there's not one hundred percent relation, and this 290 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,359 is why I'm i'd wrote my book, and this is why I'm sitting here 291 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:12,039 talking to you. Experiential research like we do is absolutely necessary and it's important, 292 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,639 but those kind of experiences will not be accepted by science as proof that 293 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:27,719 Bigfoot exists because there aren't those one hundred percent relationships out there. They're just 294 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:37,360 aren't. So the only other way to prove a causal relationship is to do 295 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,320 experimentation. And again in the back half of my book, if you're a 296 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:53,079 really dedicated reader, I talk about experimental design and statistics because that's the best 297 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:58,800 thing. It's not a perfect thing, but it's the best thing that I 298 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:05,719 know of and most people can point to to prove a causal relationship using a 299 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:15,119 specific experimental design and then statistically analyzing it. In your statistical analysis, the 300 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:29,960 statistics will tell you the probability of random error, and your your you can 301 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,920 your experiment. Experimental design then is used to minimize systematic what's called systematic error. 302 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:46,719 Systematic error being errors that you would expect to influence your experiment, and 303 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,960 so you control for those through your experimental design. At this point, I'm 304 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,960 gonna I thought legacy had another margin of error. I'm not sure what you 305 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:07,599 mean by margining of air. Just to plug for Legacy Legacy Nicely. She 306 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,800 is an awesome dog trainer, and we got into a debate over the behavioral 307 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,079 sciences as they relate to dog training, and we have become very good friends. 308 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,800 We chat pretty regularly, and she probably at this point she probably knows 309 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,480 statistics better than I. I'm not sure though, what you're asking about when 310 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,280 you say margin of error, So I'm going to ask you to clarify that 311 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,760 and come back to you. But if you need a good dog trainer, 312 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,599 check out Legacy Nicely trained dogs. She really knows her stuff. She's trained 313 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:52,360 police, caneines and the whole nine yards and now works with clients with quote 314 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,519 regular dogs. As it were. John brings up a good question, would 315 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,480 nots work best? I can't disprove you, John, but I'm going to 316 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:12,440 challenge that a little bit in my own experience. Sometimes there are going to 317 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,000 be times where a subtle stone clack might work better than a full blown wood 318 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:25,599 knock. Other times the full blown wood knock works. Sometimes neither of those 319 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:32,599 kind of work, And they're responding to vocalizations, and certainly a very interesting 320 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:44,239 certainly a very interesting study would do to do a regional study on that where 321 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:52,000 using a counterbalance design you start with you start with a would knock, wait 322 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:57,079 for a response, record whether you got one or not. Then do a 323 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,360 stone clack, wait for a response, cord it whether you got it or 324 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:07,480 not. Then do a whoop, wait for a response or not. Then 325 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:15,840 to eliminate order effects or delayed responses, you go to your next spot. 326 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:21,480 But instead of making that would knock first, you make your stone clack first, 327 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:30,199 then your vocalization, then the wood knock. You go to your next 328 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:37,280 spot, you do the vocalization first, then the tree knock, then the 329 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,599 stone clack, then your next spot. You're back to the same order wood 330 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:49,199 knock, stone clack, whoop or call. So in that way, that's 331 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,679 an example of systematic error that I was referring to earlier. If you make 332 00:38:53,719 --> 00:39:00,480 a wood knock and you don't wait long enough, it may be a laid 333 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:07,360 response, So you got to put some time in between the wood knock and 334 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,960 the stone clack. But if you make a wood knock and you allow time 335 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,519 and then you do a stone clock clack, and you immediately get a stone 336 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:22,599 clack, back then you got to wait. Then you move on to the 337 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:30,039 whoop, and that's called counterbalancing, because you're alternating the order of your intervention, 338 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,960 if you will, the tree knock, the stone clack, and the 339 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,880 whoop, and you're trying to determine which of these are more likely to provoke 340 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,159 a response from Bigfoot. And I'd be willing it's just a hypothesis on my 341 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,760 part. My squatching has been in the Southeastern United States, but I bet 342 00:39:52,800 --> 00:40:00,920 you there may be some regional variants. I know, even within this Southeastern 343 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:14,079 United States, there are variations to that. Going to going to one location 344 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:21,239 in Georgia, they seem to like wood knocks. Going to another region in 345 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,440 Tennessee, wood knocks just didn't seem to work, but stone clacks did, 346 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:34,760 so I'm suspicious there may be some regional variations, but certainly wood knock's a 347 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:42,280 good place to start. And of course, those of us who are familiar 348 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,400 with the Bigfoot field, you're also familiar with the debate as to whether this 349 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:55,840 is even whether it's even a you're using wood or not. Some people believe 350 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,320 that they're using their lips, their teeth, using their hands to provide it 351 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:08,079 like a megaphone effect. Jeff Meldrum points out that great apes have a vestige 352 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:15,119 bellow in there in their body, and they use that vestige bellow to create 353 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:22,239 some of their sounds. So there are a lot of variables to rule out. 354 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,400 John, what are you saying, stone clack back? I say that? 355 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:38,639 Okay, moving on, Wow, Okay. I hate to do it 356 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:46,320 this fast, because this is very important. I gave those examples sightings BFIRO 357 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,440 reporting system. They've got a three tier classification system, Class A, B 358 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:58,800 and C. Given just an important note, a given witness might be very 359 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,400 credible, could have honestly misinterpreted something that was seen, found, or heard. 360 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:13,039 Thus, for the most part, the circumstances of the incident determine the 361 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:21,280 potential for misinterpretation and therefore the classification of the report. Class A. Class 362 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:28,679 A reports involve clear sightings. Clear needs to be emphasized here, Guy in 363 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:37,760 circumstances where misinterpretation of the animals can be ruled out with greater confidence. For 364 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,400 example, there are several footprint cases that are very well documented. These are 365 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,440 considered Class A reports because misidentification of common animals can be confidently ruled out. 366 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,239 Thus, the potential for misinterpretation is very low, and why can it be 367 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,239 ruled out? Number one to the size of the feet, signs of mid 368 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,519 tarsal brain dermal ridges. And if you ever have to, if you ever 369 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:08,039 have to take a footprint in snow, guys, you need some hair spray 370 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:16,599 and hair spray the print before you put any casting material down there, and 371 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:25,360 you'll you won't melt the snow. But the other thing to look for in 372 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,320 big footprints, if you see more than one, is they don't they're kind 373 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,079 of central in their stride. They don't alternate from side to side. Obviously, 374 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,840 they're not quite a straight line, but they're in a little bit of 375 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,920 a straight line compared to human footprints and other animal footprints, where there's clearly 376 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:52,679 a right side or a left side. In cereal or series of big footprints, 377 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,599 you can still tell right from left, obviously, but they're going to 378 00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:01,800 be pretty close together, unlike in human and other prints where there's a great 379 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:10,159 amount of left to right right space. Class B incidents where a possible saskatch 380 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,559 was observed at a great distance or in poor lighting conditions, and incidents in 381 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,599 any other circumstrance stance that did not afford a clear view of the subject are 382 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:29,280 considered Class B reports. For example, credible reports where nothing was seen but 383 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:37,079 distinct characteristics of sounds of sasquatches were heard are always considered Class B reports and 384 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:45,920 never Class A, even in the even in most cases compelling sound only cases. 385 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,920 This is because the lack of a visual element raises a much greater potential 386 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,440 for misidentification of sounds. And you know, I think in my title I 387 00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:06,280 talked about objectivity again, and these are guidelines and rules or lessons to think 388 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:12,599 about as you're trying to evaluate whether you've got bigfoot sign a Class A, 389 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:16,519 a Class B, or a class C encounter. We're not going to get 390 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:25,000 perfect objectivity, but anything we can do to eliminate other variables or bring in 391 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:32,079 variables that are consistent with our target species are going to increase the likelihood of 392 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:44,159 a correct identification and classification. Use magic shell ice cream syrup in the snow. 393 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,480 It will make the chocolate cast turns hard. When it's called are you 394 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:52,239 are you serious? John? I have never heard that. I'm not sure 395 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,079 you make so many jokes, buddy. I'm not sure if you're making a 396 00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:00,239 joke or you're being factual. There I would love to hear whether that that's 397 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:08,039 just a joke or factual. It's certainly interesting. So I was in the 398 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:15,280 woods, standing shoulder to shoulder with another experienced bigfooter, and to make a 399 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:28,679 long story short, he saw a dark figure that he felt was undoubtedly a 400 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:36,599 big foot across the street. I didn't see it. I was visually oriented 401 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:40,320 in a completely different deck direction than he was, even though we were standing 402 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:52,239 shoulder to shoulder. Okay, so John, that was a joke or not? 403 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,159 Ristal Ristal saying he did that as a kid or she I'm not sure 404 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:04,840 what gender you are. We were standing shoulders shoulder, looking off at different 405 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:14,280 directions. He saw a dark shape go across the road. I don't I'm 406 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,320 sorry, I don't actually remember whether any I don't think anyone else saw it. 407 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,000 There were two or three others in our group, and they were looking 408 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,880 elsewhere. Now is that a class A or is that a Class B sighting? 409 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:35,280 It's it's a tough one because he clearly saw that dark shape. We 410 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:42,760 couldn't find any footprints, though, so what are the chances of misidentification? 411 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:50,159 You know, this was before dog Man became all the rage, and now 412 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:58,639 you know you see that kind of shape crossing the road. Momentarily, I 413 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,800 think we'd have to rule out, you know, in the depth of the 414 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,920 night, they may have or appear to have similar profiles, although Matt can 415 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,320 tell us more about that, I'm sure than I can imagine. Or was 416 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:24,360 it a Class B? The sasquatch was observed in poor lighting conditions, and 417 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:30,679 the incidents or incidents in any other circumstance that did not afford a clear view 418 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:39,000 is considered a Class B something to think about, and then Class C. 419 00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:51,920 Oh let's see Class B. Class B reports are not considered less credible or 420 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,159 less important than Class A reports. Both types are deemed credible enough by the 421 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,960 b f R to show to the public. For example, one of the 422 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,000 best documented reports ever received by the BFRO as a Class B report from Trinity, 423 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:14,880 California. It involved very credible witness who backpacked into a remote area that 424 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:21,760 has a history of sasquatch related instances. He described various occurrences around his camp 425 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:27,280 that night that were strongly suspected to be sasquatch related. The report is still 426 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,800 considered Class B though because there were no clear visual observations to confirm what was 427 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:46,480 heard outside the tent. So today I was surfing the internet and you see 428 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:54,480 this question come up often, have you seen a bigfoot? Have you actually 429 00:49:54,519 --> 00:50:01,039 seen a bigfoot? And on the surface, that seems like a simple question, 430 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:10,079 but when you think about these different these different variations, there are different 431 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,440 degrees of seeing a bigfoot. Is it a Class A sighting? Is it 432 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:22,119 a Class B sighting? So you know people always respond yeah, I saw 433 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:27,199 it, or no idea or but the people who were responding yes, I've 434 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,280 seen one, they need to think about was that a Class A or a 435 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:42,239 Class B sighting? Because there are different degrees of seeing a bigfoot? Class 436 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,360 C the most most secondhand reports or any third hand reports or stories with untraceable 437 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:54,480 sources are considered Class C. Basically they're just telling a story. Those reports 438 00:50:54,519 --> 00:51:00,960 are kept in the BFR archives, but are rarely stick publicly in this database. 439 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:08,159 The exceptions are of published are locally documented instances before nineteen fifty eight, 440 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:15,559 before the word bigfoot entered the American vocabulary, and sightings mentioned in a non 441 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:28,599 tabloid newspaper and magazine. So again, this isn't the holy grail, but 442 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:35,239 it's one set of guidelines. As far as I can as far as I 443 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,559 know, the only structured set of guidelines out there for classifying bigfoot sightings. 444 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,440 And even if you don't care whether it was a Class A or a Class 445 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:52,039 B siding, just reading I find just reading through these criteria get me thinking 446 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,840 about things and get me help my reasoning as I'm trying to sort through the 447 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:04,119 evidence. So I think it's a pretty deal plug for my boss, Doug 448 00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:13,840 Hicheck. He's got a set of guidelines that are for videos and if you 449 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,320 get so many red flags, I think there are like twenty criteria and if 450 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,960 you get so many red flags, it's a faked video. If you have 451 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:29,800 below so many red flags, it's a genuine video. And I'm sure Doug 452 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,440 would be happy to share that with y'all at some point. I'm hoping to 453 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,719 get his permission to make that one of my episodes to discuss it, because 454 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:46,199 it's very fascinating and he reports very good validity and reliability with his criteria, 455 00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:52,000 maybe setting up similar criteria. Well, I don't know about the rest of 456 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:58,119 you guys, but I am so sick of bl blob squatches. It's kind 457 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:01,679 of turned me off to even looking at pictures. So many people are putting 458 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:10,760 up blob squatches where you know, even after they circle the photograph where they 459 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,880 see the Bigfoot, many people can't see it. And of course in our 460 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,159 last episode we talked about paradolia, where you know, if you've got a 461 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:28,119 picture, you can see things that aren't there because of the shadows and the 462 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:39,559 surrounding environment. Though doctor John buying that book of yours for Christmas, well, 463 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:50,400 thank you, that's nice. Yeah, I'll do whatever I can to 464 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,440 to sign it. Who's saying they're buying it? Yeah, ASPA sixty, 465 00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:04,920 Yeah, especially for you ASPA sixty, mister and missus a SPA sixty. 466 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,960 I don't know if it's both you guys watching or not, but I'd be 467 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,599 happy to to like get one for you, sign it and then get it 468 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:29,840 shipped out to you for sure. Any questions, I make the point down 469 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,079 here, just keep in mind that these reports by BFRO are taken and written 470 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:40,519 down. Words are symbols. They're not the actual experience, and I think 471 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:49,800 I think that's nicely, nicely an important thing to think about. We're still 472 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:57,280 dealing with symbols. It's not the actual consensus reality itself. So this is 473 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:04,320 the summary which I'll go through real quit from the entire presentation, which usually 474 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:15,000 only takes me an hour and a half when I present it live. One 475 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:22,440 of the big gaps is between science and the experiential researchers. Another big gap 476 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:29,000 is between the flesh and blood camp and the WU camp. I believe that 477 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:37,519 we've got to be open to it. All these dichotomies have created hard feelings 478 00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:44,199 and big gaps within the community, but we need both types of research. 479 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:52,320 We need the phenomenological evidence because without it, we wouldn't know where to begin 480 00:55:52,800 --> 00:56:00,920 the scientific experimentation. So the experiential evidence is the foundation upon which we've got 481 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:09,440 to build the scientific structure or framework. And in this last side, I 482 00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:14,800 go back to what you'll find on the BFRO website, and I'm just gonna 483 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,840 for the purposes of time, go to the quotes. Well, no, 484 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,440 I'm not. The use of subjective evaluation is what separates the legal perspective of 485 00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:31,679 witness testimony from the scientific perspective. Witness reports are considered anecdotal evidence, as 486 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:39,119 are experiential Bigfoot expeditions. I will note, mainly because they are not testable. 487 00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:45,880 Yet many scientists are wise enough to understand that anecdotal evidence always precede it 488 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:53,760 and leads to the collection of scientific evidence. Again, yet many scientists are 489 00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:00,679 wise enough to understand that anecdotal evidence always proceed precede it, and leads to 490 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,719 the collection of scientific evidence. In the history of science, scientific evidence has 491 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:13,320 never been collected or even pursued until there has been enough anecdotal or indirect evidence 492 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,119 at hand to merit an effort to collect testable evidence. Thus, without the 493 00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:23,559 collection and evaluation of anecdotal evidence or indirect evidence, there would be no scientific 494 00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:30,440 discoveries at all. This is the intrinsic relationship between the two types of evidence. 495 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:37,559 Citing reports by themselves are not scientific evidence. Even a class A sighting 496 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:45,159 is not scientific evidence, but they lead us to the scientific evidence. And 497 00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,199 I think that's one of the hardest lessons in pills to swallow in the community, 498 00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,519 is that if you had a bigfoot citing class A clear, no doubt 499 00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:00,519 about it, it's bigfoot, that should be evidence to the scientific community. 500 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:07,360 Unfortunately it's not. We've got to do experimentation out in the field if we're 501 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:15,039 going to be able to prove it to the scientific community. I think we're 502 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:28,000 going to wrap it up at that point I'm not sure what's on tap for 503 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,920 next week. To be honest with you all, I've got a few things 504 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,039 kicking around in my head, thinking about going to evidence and looking at the 505 00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:47,239 legal evidence and building a bridge from it into bigfoot evidence qualitative versus quantitative evidence. 506 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,960 And that's kind of what we're talking about here. So I want to 507 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,559 thank you all for attending subscribe. If you haven't like, spread the word, 508 00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:05,400 shareppreciate it. I appreciate you all very much, and as is my 509 00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:10,039 habit, I'm going to ask you to keep an open mind, keep your 510 00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:15,119 boots on the ground, and your heart with your higher power. Good Night, 511 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:44,840 I'll see you on in wrong reason. Don't try to blame it all 512 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:55,480 the season? Why you want to walk away? One? We begain sweet? 513 00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:13,239 We have song something that would lay baby has a feeling? La following 514 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:25,760 was easy? How do I make steak? I'm never let try an InTru 515 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:52,159 tried? Was I a fool? I know sometime bunny wonder, but I 516 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:59,000 would never leave a sunder. I'm thinking, as good as what we have, 517 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:12,719 is it overble w school is worth the flood? There hain't no inn 518 01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:22,880 I'm you and I We're made to last. Fling it s S. How 519 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:45,400 can we make steak? I'm never let go trya I'm now left try and 520 01:01:45,440 --> 01:02:09,960 I l y I'm never try. Have you had a change your part? 521 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:22,320 Can we go back to the start? Oh Lord, let me go, 522 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:50,519 you Hida, let go. I want to do it all with you by 523 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,119 my side. If you're in need me here to night, be pare to 524 01:02:54,239 --> 01:03:00,760 come along. I'll be your I'm sweet. You don't you know old guys