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Where we're talking about the 17 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:34.599 Jared Goff contract and Chris is like, you can't pay him more than Patrick 18 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:40.799 Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is the standard. Is Is that fair to assume, 19 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:48.760 not just among quarterbacks, but among players? Is that fair? Okay? 20 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.760 I hope so, because he's the real deal. He's one of the best 21 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.280 of all time. I know it's early in his career, but he's one 22 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.079 of the best of all time. Right, Okay? When Patrick Mahomes signed 23 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:08.759 his contract, Patrick Mahomes broke the record. He signed a contract worth four 24 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:15.840 hundred fifty million dollars, a ten year deal worth four hundred fifty million dollars 25 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:25.080 with one hundred and forty two million guaranteed. That set the standard. It's 26 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.960 not as simple as just saying because he's the best, that means no one 27 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.599 else can be paid higher than he is. If that's the case, then 28 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:40.840 the highest paid player in basketball would be Nicola Gilkic. Right, he just 29 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.759 won another MVP. Is that? Do you understand where I'm coming from? 30 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:53.319 But he's not. Do you think Kevin Durant now. Career wise, he 31 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:59.479 is. But do you think Kevin Durant right now is the best player in 32 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:07.199 the NBA? No, neither do I. But he gets paid higher than 33 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:15.319 Nikola Jokic. Do you let me ask you this, Do you think Alexandrovtchkin 34 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:23.800 is the best player in the NHL? Me either, But he was the 35 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:30.280 highest paid player a year ago, more so than Austin Matthews, more so 36 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:39.120 than Connor McDavid, more so than Nikita kuchar Off. It's just not the 37 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:46.680 way it works. I understand where you're coming from. I understand why you 38 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:53.159 think it should be happening. Why you believe that no one should get more 39 00:03:53.159 --> 00:04:00.879 than Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, but it's about timing. I suppose the only 40 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:09.280 place that truly matters, or it's most appropriate, is baseball. Joey Otani 41 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.360 is the best player in baseball. He gets paid like it. No one's 42 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:19.480 going to surpass seventy million dollars a year, right, No way. I 43 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.680 think the next highest paid player per year is Max Schuzer at forty three million. 44 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.800 But do you believe that Max Schuzer deserves to be paid more than let's 45 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:38.279 just say, Aaron Judge. I don't Aaron Judge is an everyday player. 46 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:46.120 But that's how it works. Let me take it another step further. Anthony 47 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:57.079 Rendone in baseball makes more per year than Mike Trout and Corey Seeger and Nolan 48 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.560 Arnatto and Francisco Lindor in Carlo's career in Gencarlos Stanton and Jose L. Tuove. 49 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.279 I can go on and on and on. Do you think that's right? 50 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:10.519 Hell, no, it's not right. But it's when he signed the 51 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:19.519 contract. You can't hold it against Jared Goff or the Lions for the landscape 52 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:27.000 changing. Since Patrick Mahomes signed his ten year, four hundred and fifty million 53 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.920 dollars deal, which still, by the way, is the richest. He's 54 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:38.000 just not making the most per year. Phone number on the Meyer hotline eighty 55 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.319 six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. Chris and sheboygan in a 56 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:47.360 perfect world, in a logistical world, in what would be a logical world, 57 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:59.199 you're one hundred percent right. But things change because the landscape change, 58 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:03.120 because the salary cap goes up, because teams are put in different situations, 59 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:11.600 because players have different seasons or better season. Chris, I don't think any 60 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.800 possible way, Ricky Fowler should make more than Jack Nicholas ever did playing golf. 61 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:23.920 Jack Nicholas is the greatest golfer of all time. Ricky fowlers won how 62 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:31.600 many tournaments? But Ricky Fowler makes more than in a year playing golf and 63 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:40.360 Jack Nicholas did in his career playing the sport, or pretty damn close to 64 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:46.399 it. So don't mean that to me. That to me right, there 65 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.800 is a perfect example of how how things change. And it's just as much 66 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:56.079 as we believe it should be the case that the best deserve to get paid 67 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:03.560 the best. It's not a corporate office, it isn't. I mean, 68 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:12.560 that's just unfortunately, that's just the way it is. So many different things 69 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:18.759 are factored into it. Now our phone number on the Meyer hotline eight sixty 70 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.600 six eight three eight forty eight forty three. See, I was saying, 71 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:32.480 I know these are these are tough examples, but I use the Ricky Foller 72 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.000 example because I think it's a fair one. It's all about timing. Ricky 73 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:46.639 Fowler last year made close to ten million dollars folks ten million, nine point 74 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:58.000 eight nine point eight according to sports Kida, Jack Nicholas in his career between 75 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:05.160 nineteen sixty two and two thousand and five, made five point seven. There 76 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.519 is a guy who's won seventy three tournaments and eighteen majors in his career. 77 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.360 Okay, he's, like I said, arguably the greatest golfer of all time. 78 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.959 How about Ricky Fowler? And I don't mean to pick on one guy, 79 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.839 because Ricky Fowler's a nice enough guy and everything else like that, But 80 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:35.039 do you think he's a better Hell no, he'll never be never, But 81 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.159 he's gonna make more because that's just the way it is in today's golf. 82 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:50.120 There's more availability. Guys won ten tournaments in his entire career, that's it. 83 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:56.879 He's never been higher ranked than four. And the ten tournaments, by 84 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.759 the way, only six around the PGA Tour. I ever want a major, 85 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:09.279 But he in one season almost doubles with the greatest player of all time 86 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:15.399 made in his career. It's because of timing. There's more money available. 87 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:22.000 Right if Jack Nicholas played today, you'd make as much as Tiger Woods would. 88 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.399 I understand Chris where you're coming from. It's just not how it works, 89 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.679 and it's not the lion's fault and It's sure as hell, isn't Jared 90 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.440 Goswall. I do appreciate the phone call though, and we always appreciate the 91 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.200 tech Tech Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. Well, get to more of 92 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.480 those when we return after a brief time out on Exis and broke huge. 93 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.840 Here for the Michigan High squad Letic Association. 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Well, if you 110 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:05.759 can join Bill Simonson for the conversation later on this afternoon. If you want 111 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.840 to join us, the Meyer hotline is open for you eight sixty six eight 112 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:13.039 three eight forty eight forty three. Our text line is sports rated twenty one 113 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.240 thousand. Right now nineteen after the hour, Ben, I know we got 114 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.720 some texts. Why don't we get to them? Okay? Yeah, the 115 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.480 first one is back from Niles on golf or GoF it says, I just 116 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.600 think GOFF has the best O line, really good weapons compared to most, 117 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.799 and a great coaching staff. I think twelve other qbs could do the same. 118 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.159 Good situation got him paid, should have given him one ninety six for 119 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:46.200 four and one hundred and forty guaranteed. Well, those are specific numbers. 120 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:52.759 That's great. I'm with you that you come to the table with an idea 121 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.399 of how much you want. I love that. So he's actually thought about 122 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:01.559 this, whether or not Golf would have taken it. So let's let's say 123 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.519 you do. Let's say you come to the table with those numbers, and 124 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.000 I love that he's done his research. How much is that per season? 125 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:20.200 He said, four years, four years, one ninety six, four years, 126 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.559 one ninety six. Okay, so you're looking at it forty nine million 127 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:35.600 rather than fifty three forty nine million, just below Jalen Hurts per year and 128 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.559 one forty guaranteed. Not that I don't think it's fair, because I wouldn't 129 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.639 disagree with it from your perspective. But let's say Saint Jared Goff's camp says, 130 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:54.840 no, what do you do? I'm not saying he has the lions 131 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.919 over a barrel. I'm just asking what do you do you play this year? 132 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:09.559 With catchphrase lane duck quarterback right because he's not signed. And let's say 133 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.080 you have as successful a season as you did a year ago. Then the 134 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:20.919 price goes up. Let's say he doesn't do as well. Then you're in 135 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.360 a situation you have to look forward. As a general manager, you must 136 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.799 look forward. You can't just stay in the moment. What do you do 137 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:39.600 about your quarterback situation? You turned to Hendon Hooker. You're not going to 138 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.559 get a free agent quarterback the guy the guy. There aren't guys out there. 139 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.759 They're just not You're not turning things over to the next Russell Wilson. 140 00:14:52.279 --> 00:15:00.679 So you have to have something where both parties are going to agree the sounds 141 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.240 of your deal better than I like the sounds of this current deal. Who 142 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.519 wouldn't if you're more money to sign whoever it may be, who's ever coming 143 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.759 up next? Okay, I just think you have to be prepared that as 144 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.720 much as we would like it, everybody wants a deal. Who wouldn't want 145 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.120 a deal? The problem is you got a guy on the other side whose 146 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.480 agent is negotiating for him, saying, you know what, this is the 147 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:35.679 going rate for my guy. This will get surpassed. There's no doubt it'll 148 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.000 get surpassed by somebody. It's not as much as Joe Burrow. I'm surprised 149 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:45.240 that Joe Burrow number isn't surpassed by now. But somebody's going to get it. 150 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.879 Who that is, I'm not sure will they have as much credentials as 151 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.080 Burrow or the other guys who've already mentioned in the program early in the six 152 00:15:54.120 --> 00:16:00.440 o'clock hour. No, but think about it. I like Kirk Cousins. 153 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:08.039 He's a good dude. Look at Kirk Cousins numbers. He's one in three 154 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:14.440 in the postseason. Never let a team do a super Bowl. He's making 155 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:19.039 forty five million. That tells you something about the going rate for quarterbacks. 156 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:22.799 Let's go to the Meyer hotline. It's eight six, eight three, eight 157 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.279 forty eight forty three. Who's up next? Bet? Yeah, we got 158 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.960 Robert and Pontiac. Hey Robert, how are you today? Fine? Thank 159 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.679 you? Mad and how are you? I'm listening here on WTRX thirteen thirty. 160 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:38.080 Oh that's great. Yeah, wait to give me a shout out. 161 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.879 I appreciate that very much. Yeah. Yeah, this caller is on Oakland. 162 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.720 You grad so I'm still you. You have a feeling of euphoria from 163 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.480 the basketball season, You should. I didn't call for that reason alone, 164 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.039 but I wanted just to chime in on the Jared Golf deal, which you've 165 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.759 been talking about quite a bit, and I'm all in on it. I 166 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.840 think it's a good deal. And I can remember when the team I think 167 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.720 was one in seven under him and they were losing, and I kind of 168 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:10.519 thought he was on an audition kind of almost like maybe like a broadcast audition 169 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:15.279 if you move to a new market. And he passed the audition with flying 170 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:21.440 colors, as we can look forward and see. And I think that's admirable 171 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.720 on his part. And I think he has the qualities to be an athlete, 172 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.200 which we can kind of fall in love with in Detroit. We kind 173 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:33.079 of love athletes to try hard and have a good character. And I think, 174 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.359 what do you like, what do you like about him, and what 175 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.559 do you like about the deal? Well, what I like about him he 176 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.240 doesn't have any monkey business. He's short with his words, and he's precise, 177 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.559 and he's not doing any nightlife or any kind of shenanigans. And the 178 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:59.119 deal I think is comparable as you mentioned the Kirk Cousins deal, and I 179 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.160 think he's the better player than Kirk Cousins, and I think that's just spose. 180 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.359 The NFL kind of has this, you know, how the you mentioned 181 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:11.839 it, how salaries kind of are platformed. So Kirk Cousins at the benchmark, 182 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:18.440 and I think golf's right in there with that benchmark slightly better. Interesting. 183 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.119 So you've got no problem with the length of the contract, the guaranteed 184 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:27.839 money, or the annual salary that he's about to make. Well, you 185 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.640 know, I'm a fan, Matt, so you know, of course, 186 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.799 they get their money. They deserve their money. Their careers are short for 187 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:41.079 the most part, so I'm all for it. They can always restructure, 188 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.519 right if something down the line they need to sign bigger, more players. 189 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.079 They can restructure deals nowadays quite easily, it seems like. So I think 190 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.880 that's a good point. You give them more money and they restructure. Pat 191 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:59.319 Patrick Mahomes restructured his deal. Matthew Stafford did that a couple of times in 192 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.240 Detroit as well. He restructured his deal. Yep, yeah, yeah, 193 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.319 good good stuff. Thanks Robert. Appreciate the phone call. Always enjoy the 194 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.960 conversation. I'm glad you're listening right there. On WTR Sports Extra thirteen thirty 195 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.240 am, coming out of Flint. Let's get to some more techs the text 196 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.079 line is sports rated to twenty one thousand. What else we got, ben, 197 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.680 Yeah, it says golf had it made in LA two. He is 198 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:32.799 the product of great staffs. Well, okay, here's my issue with this. 199 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.720 I believe it was trash Man Niles who brought it up in his second 200 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:45.960 text. You know that he's surrounded by really good players or suddenly you're a 201 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:56.480 product of a system. Can you tell me what quarterback isn't surrounded by really 202 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:03.079 good players, What winning quarterback isn't surrounded by really good players? And how 203 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:11.799 many are not system guys? My favorite quarterback probably of all time. Well, 204 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:12.920 it used to be Frank talkin to him when I was a kid, 205 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:18.960 and then Joe Montana. People said the same thing about Joe Montana. He's 206 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.960 a product of a system. It's the West Coast offense. It's Bill Walsh, 207 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.279 it's George Seaffert and so on and so forth. Oh and by the 208 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.960 way, he's got great players around him, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, 209 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.640 Roger Craig, Tom Rathman. Not to mention the offensive line, Jesse Soipolo. 210 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:41.000 Right, wait a minute, he's making them better, they're making him 211 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:48.720 better. That's what team sports is about team sports is being surrounded by really 212 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:55.640 good players in order for you to win a championship. You're trying to tell 213 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:00.640 me Patrick Mahomes hasn't had really good players on his Super Bowl Championship teams. 214 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:07.160 Find me a guy who's won a title in the NFL or who's made it 215 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:14.039 to a probosom without having some good players around him. Quick time out them 216 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:15.200 back with more on the other side on exis and bro stay with us. 217 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.880 Huge cheer for my good friends from Flying Ace Whiskey. 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Yeah, it says if GoF is over now overpaid, so 251 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.079 is Joe Burrow, who missed games with an injury, and Lamar Jackson, 252 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.000 who is who has less playoff wins, although he does have more rushing yards 253 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.759 than golf. But that's not what you pay QBS for. Right on, 254 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:36.079 That's similar to what we've said, you could use that argument in just about 255 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.960 any any sport. To be honest with you, I mean you could sit 256 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.920 there and say, all right, how in the world does a guy like 257 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.119 Bradley Beal make close to what Lebron James makes? And I use the baseball 258 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:59.519 example to to me, it's simply ridiculous than Anthony wren Done, who has 259 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:07.680 been constantly injured for the Los Angeles Angels. It's the perfect reason why you 260 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:14.319 got to be so careful when you are grabbing free agents. All right, 261 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:19.960 I mean, nobody would have guessed that he would have been this ineffective. 262 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.640 But a guy who hasn't played more than fifty eight games in a single season 263 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:34.559 since signing the deal with the Angels heartbreaking. You feel bad for them that 264 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:41.559 this guy is making this year almost thirty nine million dollars and he's played nineteen 265 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:51.640 games, and yet he makes more than so many great players, big name 266 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.720 players. Who'd you rather have Anthony rendonor or Mookie Betts. It's not even 267 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.400 a question. You don't even have to follow baseball. You can just be 268 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:04.799 a you know, a fringe baseball fan and recognize that one. But he 269 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:11.319 makes more, I guess what I'm saying is it's not always fair, dude, 270 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.319 It's just not Let's go to another text, Ben go ahead says, 271 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.240 to the next uh yeah, to the next level of winning a Super Bowl. 272 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:27.559 Golf has to make the big scramble when a big important moment arises the 273 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:33.160 way Perty did late in the championship game and Mahomes always makes, or the 274 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.039 team has to up sorry no go ahead finish, or the team has to 275 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.400 continue keeping golf in quick dump off throws and hopefully that gets it done. 276 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:49.160 That gets it done. It's not who he is. It's just it's it's 277 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:56.759 not who he is. Man. I just what you're expecting there is not 278 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:02.119 going to happen. I'm sorry, sorry, I don't want to disappoint you. 279 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.920 He's not. I mean, Lamar Jackson outrushed a ton of running backs. 280 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:12.200 He was like twenty second in the National Football League in rushing yards. 281 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:18.039 It's just not who he's going to be. Justin fields was like that. 282 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.920 You don't want that, do you know. I think what the Texter is 283 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.440 suggesting is it's not that you have to rush for a lot of yards, 284 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.440 it's you have to rush for key yards. And I think Jared Goff did 285 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:38.839 that on a number of occasions a year ago. Does he do it when 286 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:45.440 he has to? I can't recall specifics, but I'm going to say, 287 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:53.640 yes, you can play him if you're a defense to where you don't mind 288 00:27:53.680 --> 00:28:00.680 him getting outside the pocket because you're not afraid of him rushing for a first 289 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.319 down. Let's say he's not going to scare you. Now, there are 290 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:14.359 other quarterbacks. You could say the same thing about Will Levice, Matthew Stafford, 291 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:21.319 a number of others. Let's go to the full lines. The Meyer 292 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:22.960 hotline is open for you. Eight six six, eight three, eight forty 293 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.359 eight forty three. Then who's up next? We got Dave in Hudsonville. 294 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.319 Hi, Dave, good morning to you. How's every morning morning, chef? 295 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.559 How he's doing? Man? Very well? Thank you? You know. 296 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.599 I think your point is well made too on GoF in the sense that 297 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.799 it would be nice if Gough was more of an athletic quarterback, in the 298 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.079 sense that other teams don't have to put a spy on it, they don't 299 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:45.880 have to commit a defender to him, like the Lions have to do with 300 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.559 a number of running quarterbacks when they play them in order just to have that 301 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.799 other defensive piece that goes on with Justin Fields or any of the quarterbacks that 302 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.960 can run. But that's that You're right, that's not Goff's game. It's 303 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.680 just another thing that our offensive coordinator and Goff have to plan for when it 304 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.400 comes to dump offs or check offs or other things that go on. But 305 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.319 I did want to say on your conversation on contracts, you know, your 306 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.160 point is really well made on this is just how it is when it comes 307 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.599 to contracts. I'll go back to Miggy, you know, one of the 308 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.319 challenges that I think, and I love Miguel Cabrera, I mean, we 309 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.440 were blessed to be able to watch him play his career, the prime of 310 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.039 his career, you know, in Detroit and so forth. But those contracts 311 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.039 are meritocracy in the sense they pay over the extended life, and Miguel was 312 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.279 hanging on the last couple of years to collect his paycheck. He wasn't the 313 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.759 player he was. If they could ever figure out a way to have those 314 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:45.680 de escalate based on age, you know, and maybe skill sets, and 315 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.079 it wouldn't be always the case. You know, a guy like Lebron or 316 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.640 other people who's still performing to those ages can earn bonuses, but I think 317 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.240 that's a challenge when it comes to how GM set up contracts, but it's 318 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.079 how the nature of the game works. But the other thing I would say 319 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:02.079 too with Goff, I think you have to pay GoF in the range of 320 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:06.680 the fourth or fifth best quarterback to the tenth best quarterback. I think that's 321 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.359 where he slots in. And I think you can also make a deal with 322 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:14.519 him because he went through LA being shunned and kind of said, go ahead, 323 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:15.920 we don't need you anymore. I think he loves it in Detroit. 324 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.440 I think he feels appreciated, and I think he would give and understand. 325 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.599 If I want to play four more years in a winning situation, I'll take 326 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.160 a little bit less, don't you. I think that's very well said. 327 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:34.000 I would say if I were an athlete and I'm twenty nine, fair to 328 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.079 say that's the prime of your career still, I think so, Yeah, 329 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.119 If I'm an athlete and I'm coming off the type of season that he's come 330 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:48.720 off of and I'm still in my prime, I'm not giving deals. I'm 331 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.680 going to make as much money as I possibly can. Because I realized that 332 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.880 my window might be one more year, but probably not even in my window 333 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.599 of playing at a high light level. Might be another five or six at 334 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.799 the most. Look, I hate to use this comparison, but I'm going 335 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.640 to anyway, because I think Patrick Mahomes is the best and one of the 336 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.519 best I've ever seen. But Patrick Mahomes when he's thirty eight is going to 337 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.880 make sixty million dollars. That's a lot of money for a thirty eight year 338 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:29.000 old quarterback who relies heavily on his mobility. Right Kansas City used what they 339 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.599 thought was the prudent method of keeping him locked up. Next year. Next 340 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:40.839 year, Patrick Mahomes begins a run where he will make sixty six million dollars, 341 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.680 and then it'll be sixty eight, and then it'll be sixty four before 342 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.000 it goes down a little bit and then escalates in the final two years of 343 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:55.279 his deal. So when we say he should be paid this and right now, 344 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.440 if you look at it, he's a million two million dollars more per 345 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.640 year. This is on a yearly basis more than the number four, number 346 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.000 five guy. So you're in line with what you're talking about. Okay, 347 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.279 you said between you know four and number ten or for five and number ten. 348 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.279 Well, if you look at number four, it's Lamar Jackson, He's 349 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.200 at fifty two million, Gof's at fifty three. If you look at number 350 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:23.000 five, it's Tyler Murray. Yeah, and don't you think for GoF, 351 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.720 I think Goth and for a lot of these guys, but especially Goth, 352 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.559 their ability to feel valued and their ability to feel loved by the place they 353 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:36.400 play. Because he's been rejected by a place he plays is almost just as 354 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.799 important. It's not as important as the money, but it's really important to 355 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:43.319 those guys, especially someone like him, to feel like I'm in a place 356 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.720 that loves me. They see my value and they want me to be here. 357 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.720 When he gets his name chanted, that might be some of the best 358 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.359 incentive for him to sign a deal that gives the hometown discount than anything in 359 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.240 Detroit. Yeah, if you look at it like it's a discount, I 360 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:02.119 agree with you. I don't think he was necessarily unwanted in Los Angeles. 361 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:08.960 I guess it's how do you determine what somebody he was upgraded? Yeah, 362 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.240 that's fair enough. Yeah, and thanks for the phone, go really good. 363 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.960 I mean, David, I do appreciate the conversation. Dave brings up 364 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.279 so many good points every time he calls. He could host his show. 365 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.599 I do believe. Look, La thought they had to give up something to 366 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.039 get the guy they wanted in Matthew Stafford, and it paid off for them 367 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:35.480 because they won a super Bowl. And Matthew Stafford was really good when healthy 368 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.400 a year ago he was. He was really good. How many more years 369 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.559 he has left, I don't know, but he's still a high end quarterback. 370 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.920 I don't think he was discarded from Los Angeles, my word, not 371 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.640 Dave's. I don't think he was discarded or unwanted per se. And he 372 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.559 led a team to a super Bowl. If you're going to give well, 373 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.240 look at all the weapons that he had, including the defensive side to the 374 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.160 ball with Aaron Donald his own. Yeah, okay, he did, But 375 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.840 so did Matthew Stafford when they won the Super Bowl. I hate to tell 376 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.039 you, but Tom Brady had a lot of talent on his team when they 377 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.800 won six rings. He had talent in Tampa. Doesn't mean that he wasn't 378 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.039 the most talented. I'm just telling you, as a football team, you're 379 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:28.000 not winning a championship if you don't have really good players, and it's funny. 380 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.119 We'll use the argument for Brady and Mahomes even though they have two of 381 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.639 the greatest tight ends to ever play, and they have really good guys on 382 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.840 defense. I mean, Chris Jones a hell of a player for Kansas City 383 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:45.039 folks. Just because Patrick Mahomes isn't throwing them a football doesn't mean that he's 384 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.599 not a really good player. But you know, with Pittsburgh, when Pittsburgh 385 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.519 won their championships with Terry Bradshaw, look at how many great players they had. 386 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.880 Nobody's holding that against Terry Bradshaw, four and oho super bowls. Why 387 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.920 would you. It takes a really good team to win it all. That's 388 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:13.400 why they call it a team sport. This isn't Novak Djokovic in a finals 389 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:22.719 okay against Roger Federer. These are team sports that require a cohesive unit in 390 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:30.960 more than one way. So yes, I get why people feel like Jared 391 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.760 Goff needs a certain system. I think if there's a lot of quarterbacks in 392 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:42.800 the history of the sport who have needed a certain system to the phone line, 393 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.360 the Meyer hotline eight six eight three eight forty eight forty three, then 394 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:51.320 who's next? Jake and Grand Rapids. Jake, thanks for listening to WMAX 395 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.360 ninety six point one FM The game. How you doing, Bill? How 396 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.760 about yourself? Good? Thanks buddy, Oh yeah, I wanted to try 397 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:04.719 man. And I feel like fan base is collectively when a new contract comes 398 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.679 out for mainly a quarterback, everybody's either up in arms or they you know, 399 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.719 think it's a good deal, whatever which wayever they go. But you 400 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.079 know, two or three years down the line, four or five other quarterbacks 401 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.760 get paid up team million dollars more. And for me, when I saw 402 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.079 the number come down, it was only one hundred and seventy million guaranteed, 403 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.880 I thought that was a win. I thought he would, you know, 404 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.840 be closer to the two hundred million. He'd be looking in that area, 405 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.840 just because you know, people can argue he's a system quarterback. But at 406 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.559 the same time, you know, he has Gibbs and Monty and he still 407 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.719 was the second overall passing yards in the NFL last year, and you know, 408 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.400 he take one of those guys away and he probably beats two out for 409 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.719 overall passing yards. I just think everybody kind of just gets caught up in 410 00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:00.960 the moment with you know, oh, that's so much money. Well, 411 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.239 in two years that number is not going to be anywhere near top ten money 412 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.320 anymore. It's going to be twelve to fourteenth. That's just the way the 413 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:15.800 you know, NFL quarterback contracts go. So yeah, next mirror inn eight 414 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.840 for a while and not not really put too much emphasis on, oh, 415 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.760 we're paying Jared Goff this much money. Well, it's not going to be 416 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:29.079 that much in twenty twenty six per se. Yeah, Jake, it's an 417 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.360 excellent point. I don't know if it'll be twelve or fourteen. I don't 418 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.079 think he'll drop that far. But I think you're you're dead on. When 419 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.480 Patrick Mahomes signed his extension ten years, four hundred and fifty million dollars, 420 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.360 it was twenty twenty four years later, and that was the highest paid So 421 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.119 he was making roughly, you know, forty five million dollars a year if 422 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.039 you break it down like that, right, So when you look at it 423 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.880 four years later, where does he rank. There's a lot of guys who 424 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.320 are ahead of him, because ahead of him, Watson is ahead of him. 425 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.159 Those are each of the last two years. Murray's the last two years, 426 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.239 Hurts is the last two years, Jackson is last year, Herbert Owes 427 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.800 over the last two years, golf is this year. So those things all 428 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.920 forced Patrick Mahomes down to what is it, eight or nine? So I 429 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.440 think you're dead on there when things change like that, And thanks to the 430 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.800 phone call, Jake, we appreciate you listening when things change like that and 431 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:35.639 you get that massive deal. The structure of the NFL. The change is 432 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:40.960 about to happen because of so many different factors, including the salary cap going 433 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.559 up because certain players may leave a team and open up more money, the 434 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:52.599 timing of a quarterback contract. All those things are a major factor. Meyer 435 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.039 hotline is eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. We've had 436 00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.719 some really good calls on this so far. We've also had some really good 437 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.159 tech spend. We got another one. Yeah, we have one that just 438 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.440 came in and says, the reason he had such a good season is because 439 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.440 of the running game. They had to prepare for that. Our on line 440 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.960 is the best. That's why we are so good. Don't disagree with that 441 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:25.000 at all. Is it the sole reason? No, but it's sure as 442 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:32.199 hell helps. And by the way, that's okay. It's really important, 443 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:40.599 really important. Baltimore had a really good season, didn't They had the most 444 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:46.199 wins regular season wins beat Detroit. They were the number one seed in the 445 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.360 AFC. Lamar Jackson was part of this, but they were the number one 446 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.920 rushing team in the league. Sam Francisco had a really good season. They 447 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.480 were the number one seed in the NFC TI Detroit for number of wins, 448 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.960 a third best rushing team in the league. That's all right, Miami, 449 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:15.039 Buffalo, Philadelphia all among the top ten rushing teams in the league. I 450 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:22.599 don't hold that against a quarterback or a team in general. It's a strength. 451 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.480 It's important. You must have balance, you know all this. You've 452 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.880 got to have balance in football. You can't be just a running team. 453 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:36.559 You can't be just a passing team. It's become more of a passing league, 454 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:45.760 right, agreed. But you have to be able to create some doubt 455 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.400 in the opposing team's mind defensively, What excuse me on what you're gonna do? 456 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.039 All right, final time out here in this hour, the third hour 457 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.719 on ex'es and bros. Is right around the corner. Glad you've joined us. 458 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.199 The Meyer hotline is therefore we eight six eight three eight forty eight forty 459 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.760 three. 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