1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,480 What is kracoakin Hardwarknox listeners, I am Damn Valley coming at you as you 2 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,679 already know it out in My co host Adam Drommel, going to make this 3 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:23,359 a quick introw because I promise that our introb will be quicker. We are 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,839 leading. You're continuing with our NBA trade deadline week. We're doing by seller 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,559 Hold for every Western conference scheme. In this pod, I have tapped good 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,640 friend and colleague from Bleacher Report, Grant Hughes, to help me with this 7 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:38,840 at GT Underscore. Hughes felt exactly as it sounds. Follow him on Twitter. 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Also follow us on Twitter at Hardwoodknox. Follow us on Instagram at Hardwood 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,799 Underscore Knox. Follow us on YouTube YouTube dot com Sir Hardwood Knox. 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With that out of the 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,480 way, though, let's get to talking some NBA trade deadline buy seller hold 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,359 for every single team in the Western Conference with Bleach your reports, Grant Hughes, 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,879 Grant, welcome back to the Hardwoo Knox podcast. As you point it 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,799 out to me, it has been a minute by the standards of how often 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,280 I normally ask you to come back on, So thank you for rejoining the 30 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,519 show. How are you doing. I'm doing very well to be back. 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,439 Glad to talk about some some trade stuff. But that's kind of like really 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,599 since last week, I think that's the only thing you're allowed to talk about 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,000 right now, unless unless you've managed to talk about anything else but the trade 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,520 deadline recently, because I don't feel like I have thee This is a trade 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,280 deadline team the week our Monday episode was a trade deadline one, and you 36 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:21,520 and I are doing this series where do you land on the are you anti 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 transaction now? Which seems to be a prevailing sentiment among people who cover the 38 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:29,439 NBA and like to stand on soap boxes, oh, like as an overall 39 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:32,599 policy, like like can we talk about the games like that kind of stance? 40 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,240 I'm getting pretty old, So like I do, I do feel like 41 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:44,120 I that way just about life in general, Like can we can we just 42 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,159 knock off all this dumb bullshit all the time? But no, I'm pretty 43 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:54,240 interested. I think I think where I have a hard time is the way 44 00:02:54,319 --> 00:03:00,319 that that our industry and like every all the content now is about like here 45 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,879 are these trades that could be done, and I just kind of like, 46 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,280 well, one, I'm not very good at that, So I think that's 47 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:08,439 part of the reason I resist it. But you got to talk about the 48 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:14,039 deadline when you're close to the deadline, because that informs like everything about the 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,599 rest of the season, so that I'm good with. I wouldn't say I'm 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:22,120 patently anti trade, like across the board, but yeah, there are parts 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,919 of it I could do without. I'm mostly with you there. I'm very 52 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,199 much in the camp of unless it's somehow morally corrupt, enjoy the NBA, 53 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,360 enjoy sports how you want to enjoy sports. If that's trades, if it's 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,039 a salary cap, if it's a super deepex as and knows, if it's 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,240 sort of the off court ridiculously listeness, the encourt ridiculousness, if you're looking 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,199 at it through historical prisms. However, you want to enjoy it. And 57 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:46,800 I'm fine with people who don't want to talk about trades. I don't like 58 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:50,520 when people who think, just because they don't want to talk about trades, 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,080 there's somehow above it, and everyone who does want to talk about it is 60 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:57,479 below it, and that seems to be like a more popular stance. And 61 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:01,159 I don't know why everything has to be so absolute. So now I'm now 62 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,599 I'm mad because I just talked about how I'm getting older and you just had 63 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,439 the more mature take, because that is the right take, because it's a 64 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,360 stupid game and you can enjoy it however you want, Like at the end 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,400 of the day, that's that's that's the right take. That's the other thing. 66 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:18,439 I used to have a problem coping with how inessential I am because of 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,040 someone who ties too much of their self worth to their occupation. But over 68 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,439 the past like year or so, I've done a good job of leaning in 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,279 to my irrelevance and the inessentiality of what you and I do. We cover 70 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,519 a fucking game, and they're you know, I don't not take my job 71 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,160 seriously, but I'm able to step back and be like, this is supposed 72 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:44,399 to be fun, and I will work very hard, but I'm also going 73 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:47,360 to enjoy every aspect of the league that I enjoy to the extent that I 74 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:51,759 want to enjoy it. And yeah, that's just that's where I've landed over 75 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:56,120 the pack because I used to struggle with how like we don't matter there, 76 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,160 especially in the grand scheme of NBA media. I certainly don't matter, but 77 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 just no, every want in the NBA media, unless you're WOJE, is 78 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,560 irreplaceable. And even now I think we're finding that there are more avenues for 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:13,079 agencies and teams to find mouthpieces than the big time reporters, So you have 80 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,079 to lean into it and enjoy it. And this stuff is supposed to be 81 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,480 fun, so bring I love trades, I think more than the average fans 82 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:21,480 slash media member, but I understand like, no, I don't want to 83 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,279 be talking about trades on February fifteen for the summer. That's not something that 84 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,920 I want to be doing. So when you timestamp this section, will it 85 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:34,879 be Dan gets existential and discusses self worth visa NBA trade deadline? It will 86 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,800 be Now I'm gonna I'm gonna have to I'm glad that this is that we're 87 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,759 recordings. I could drot that down. We are here, though, to 88 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,439 do buy seller hole for every NBA team at the deadline. We will go 89 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,480 a little bit deeper into that, but I think it's a good primer for 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,240 just what to expect or what these teams should do, not even we could 91 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,040 talk about what we think they might do. But I approached it, and 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,519 it sounds like you did the same way of if I were in charge of 93 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,240 this team, this is what they would be doing leading into February ten. 94 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:05,720 Yeah, that's how I took it to and all sites some numbers as we 95 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,240 go through, just as a to get out in front of this. These 96 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,720 are only going to be current through what's today, Tuesday, the twenty fifth. 97 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,439 So the Mavericks are the first team we're going to hit alphabetically, and 98 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,399 they may very well be adding a win over the Warriors tonight or not, 99 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,800 but I'm going to pretend like none of those have happened. So Divinity stats 100 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,519 are out of date. That's that's the reason. Yes, we're recording this 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,240 while the shorthanded Warriors are playing the Mavericks and we're on the Western Conference, 102 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,120 if you didn't catch that from the title or my long witted intro or Grant 103 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:39,399 just saying that now, So let's go to the Dallas Mavericks. Grant buy 104 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:45,079 seller hold. They feel like a buyer to me for a handful of reasons. 105 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,480 One, they're pretty good, and a lot of that has to do 106 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:51,160 lately with their defense to me still sort of inexplicably being very good. I 107 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,319 need to read more breakdowns and watch more film on why their defense is good. 108 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:59,279 But they're twenty seven and twenty plus three point two net rating kind of 109 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,920 in the mixed mess around for a top four playoff seed in the West. 110 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:05,040 There's a lot of season left, it wouldn't be the craziest thing. So 111 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,639 that to me makes you a buyer kind of by definition, if your alternatives 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,040 or seller hold they're over the cap. They're fifteen ish million from the tax 113 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,240 line. They don't have a lot of great avenues. They have a ten 114 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:26,199 point nine million dollar player except traded player exception, which I believe came from 115 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:31,000 the Josh Richardson deal. Correct me if I'm wrong or don't they have one 116 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,879 of those. And so the reason I think they need to be buyers is 117 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:42,000 just because they're pretty good. They have some salaries that they could package together. 118 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,600 They can trade their twenty five and twenty seven first if they remove the 119 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,759 protection on that twenty three. First they owe the Knicks, which they have 120 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,040 first allowable turns of yeah, first allowable, So they have packages they can 121 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:01,199 put together. And the other main thing is with Luca's extension starting next year, 122 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,120 the idea of them, you know, going out and signing a third 123 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,839 star or a second star if we can ding porzingis for like the millionth time, 124 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,720 is maybe not that realistic. So it kind of sucks that there doesn't 125 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,079 seem to be a huge, huge name available that they could realistically get. 126 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,879 But I think they need to be buyers just for all those reasons. They've 127 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,079 got the assets, and like if you have Luca and your defense is suddenly 128 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,720 good and you're not a buyer, Like, what what's happening? Yeah, 129 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,440 they've done They've gotten a little bit lucky on opponent three point shooting, I 130 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,639 think, but they've just done the job of minimizing their mistakes in transition. 131 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,039 That's helped them out a ton. Making sure you get your rebounds, you're 132 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,519 not going to turn the ball over, and especially high clips or just the 133 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,039 Zach Low calls at the low hanging fruit is what they seem really good at. 134 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,279 And they do have some good defenders, and I think Chris Stops is 135 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:54,000 having a much better year on defense than he did last season. I floated 136 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:58,039 the idea that they should be sellers on the last podcast that I recorded, 137 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:01,559 and I don't. I don't believe that they would, and I actually will 138 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,840 tilt towards buyers. What you laid out though, when you were right on 139 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,480 their Josh Richardson trade exception, By the way, I have trouble envisioning as 140 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,360 you alluded to what is the best player they can realistically acquire. I do 141 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 think there's an element of it almost defeats the purpose if you're moving Kris Stops 142 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,720 porzingis in that deal. If it's a real megastar, sure, but it's 143 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,879 not going to be because that player isn't available. Otherwise Bensimon's probably would have 144 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:30,559 been traded for him already. And so what is the best player that they 145 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,440 can realistically acquire at the deadline? I don't know if they have enough to 146 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,080 get Jeremy Grant, Harrison Barnes, do they have enough to get Eric Gordon? 147 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,799 And so I've viewed it through the prison of I think they should buy, 148 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,039 but given who's available, I think they need to look at it of 149 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,559 who's the best player we can get without dealing Chris Stops or a first round 150 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,679 pick, because when you start giving away the distant first round picks, there's 151 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,960 the uncertainty kicked in and then also just makes it harder to strike other deals. 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,879 And so I'm with you. You have Luca, Your defense is good. 153 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,120 I don't know if your offense lover be good as as long as Jason 154 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,919 kid is your head coach. But you have if you can make an upgrade, 155 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,440 and I think Eric Gordon is like a name that's always spreading to mind 156 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,759 for this team, that would be feels realistic, not too expensive, his 157 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,559 salary might be whatever. He would just help them a ton. I think 158 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,600 they should be buyers, and that's just you know that that's been born out 159 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:20,879 pretty clearly with the way that they've played. Yeah, I think so, 160 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,759 And I think just one of the as I was going through this, we 161 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,679 don't need to spend too much time on this. But the Jalen Brunson situation 162 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,960 for them is really interesting because you know, there's a very good chance that 163 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:37,240 they lose him in free agency because I believe that they are limited to offering 164 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,200 him. I think I saw it was four years for fifty five point six 165 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,039 million. That's the best they can do, and he's trying to get eighty 166 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,279 and he might get that somewhere else. There's not a ton of cap space 167 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,399 out there. But you can't trade him because you need this, you need 168 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,200 the second playmaker. And really, honestly, I wouldn't be against them looking 169 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 at go get somebody from a team that's just trying to duct the tax. 170 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,159 Like you know, Portland needs to get under. What can you do for 171 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,399 Robert Covington, even though he's had a down year, Maybe he helps the 172 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,519 Dennis Shrewder from the Celtics who are just a little bit over the tax that 173 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,799 they they're probably gonna want to get under, get another playmaker, just like 174 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,320 small things like that, because I agree with you, and we're gonna mention 175 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,720 Jeremy Grant and Harrison Barnes like ten thousand times and Harry Gordon you know nearly 176 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,679 that that often. But I don't know that they've got the AMMO and I 177 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,159 don't know that, Like you said, I don't know if I want to 178 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,399 be putting you know, first out, you know, way down the line, 179 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,039 because who knows, uh, for for a guy that like what's Harrison 180 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,720 Barnes on his second tour with the mass he's your he's your third option, 181 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,480 and like it's just solid. I don't I don't know if that's if that's 182 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,000 gonna do it So that yeah, buyers, but like this will come up 183 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,720 a lot for the buyers. I don't know what's out there, you know, 184 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:54,039 for sale that you really want to invest in with Jalen Rosen's interesting. 185 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,960 I think that was his that was the max extension they could offer him. 186 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Okay, maybe that was it. They'll have full board rights on him. 187 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,480 I think you have to keep him because one, oh yeah, he's just 188 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,480 too important to what you're doing now. But two, if you're going to 189 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,639 move him, he's so cheap, what is he getting you? There will 190 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,759 be a team you know they'll probably value because so few teams have cap space. 191 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,240 Even if you do have cap space, his hold this summer is nothing. 192 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,480 So you can have Jalen Brunson, use all your cap space and then 193 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,279 resign Jalen Brunson. But I still think to them, if they're not going 194 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,559 to resign him, he would still be more valuable in a sign and trade, 195 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,720 even though that hard caps you next year. So I do like Jeremy 196 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,399 Grant on this team given what the report that yeah, he fits anyway, 197 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,279 but he still wants to have like a semi prominent role. Dallas feels like 198 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,120 it has the offensive pecking order to do so I just I don't think maybe 199 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:43,200 if you dangled two first, you can get into the race, but I'm 200 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,320 not doing that for a player like Jeremy Grant, who you don't have to 201 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 turn around and probably give like a either a max extension or it's probably like 202 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,559 four years and ninety million it at minimum. And if I was actually Dallas, 203 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:58,879 this is where the seller idea came from, is you do have Dorian 204 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,799 Phinney Smith and free agency. What type of value does MAXI Kleeba have? 205 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,600 Can either one of those guys help you get off of Dwight Powell's deal? 206 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,120 He is another you left on his contract? Can I help you get off 207 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:11,440 of Reggie Block? Right now? I was really high on that signing that 208 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,919 hasn't worked out. I'd be looking at those moves as well to maybe just 209 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,600 sort of clean up your books a little bit in advance of the summer, 210 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,120 or is there anything you could do to just like turn Tim Hardaway Junior into 211 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:28,000 a cheaper player or And that's where it feels like there needs to be an 212 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,440 organizational cleanse a little bit below KP and Luca and you know, Brunson in 213 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,039 looking at the pecking order, but I recognize that like the situation they're in, 214 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,840 you buy, I think they just need to be super selective and opportunistic 215 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,480 about it. And before you respond to that, the other thing I love 216 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,320 at you, I would have the player most likely to get traded on this 217 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:52,639 team as Dwight Powell just because of his medium salary, and if they're going 218 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,600 to do anything, I could imagine being on the smaller scale, or he's 219 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,600 part of it as a bigger deal, especially if they're including a first round 220 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,039 pick, because you probably want to get off of his money next year. 221 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,480 But I'd be curious where you land on those two points. Well. As 222 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,759 for the most likely player, I think it probably has to be Powell. 223 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,440 I mean, Finney Smith, you run into he's unrestricted, you might lose 224 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,759 him for nothing, so there's always maybe motivation to move someone in that situation. 225 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,799 But he's like four million dollars I think, or some it's he's do 226 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,759 you know what his salary is? I don't have any exactly on the four 227 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,200 million, So what's that going to get you? And that's at the point, 228 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,960 like the guy you're getting back for four million dollars ish is not going 229 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,279 to be as good as him or as useful in this specific team. And 230 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,440 I think Cleveland is just more valuable than Powell, and he's your other kind 231 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,559 of mid mid level ish salary. So if you've got to pick between, 232 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:46,759 for sure, I think I think Powell's the guy to go. What was 233 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:48,279 what was part one of your questions? I focused on my second one. 234 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,639 I guess wasn't even a question, was just a point that that they they 235 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,720 should be looking to see what it would either cost to offload some of these 236 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:01,759 deals that just don't look great or is it part of a different like how 237 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:05,360 many of those deals can you sandwich into a buy now play because even getting 238 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:09,799 like just looking at Dwight Powell, Reggie Bullock, and Tim Hardaway Junior right 239 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:15,679 now, specifically those are you know, Reggie Bullock non guaranteed in his third 240 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,120 year, so only one more year left on that, only one more year 241 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,200 left on Dwight Powell, So there's lights at the end of the tunnel. 242 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,279 But you also three years left on Tim Hardaway Junior, and so long as 243 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,600 he's considered your third or fourth most important scorer on this team, you probably 244 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:30,519 have a little bit of issues. And I do think this team's biggest need 245 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,759 is still just like a true multi level shock creator where Jalen Brunson is kind 246 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,679 of closed, but does that translate to the playoffs and he's not really like 247 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:46,360 this high end off the dribble jump shooter and either is KP. So I'll 248 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:48,840 be interesting if they do anything. It just it feels really tough because they 249 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,080 do have a lot of deals that can be moved. I think when you're 250 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,679 looking at the money matching capabilities, but the assets that need to be attached 251 00:15:56,039 --> 00:16:00,279 to that, they're they're pretty barren with. Yeah, I think too the 252 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,320 fact that they're just playing better at this time. I don't know that that 253 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:08,600 should always be a motivating factor, but I think it's a lot easier as 254 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,720 a front office to kind of say, you know, we're okay with this 255 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,399 how it is. You know, Josh Green might be on the way up, 256 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,960 like we have ways to improve internally potentially. But yeah, I think 257 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,120 there is to put a bow on it, like there is justification for encouraging 258 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,600 them to sell, because that that that other star like might now have to 259 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,000 come via Tim Hardaway and whatever else blump together and some picks. You know, 260 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:37,679 however far you're willing to go out like that might just be the way 261 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:42,159 that it has to happen. Now, the Denver Nuggets by seller hold, 262 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,720 they kind of already answered this question for us. Yeah, well, I 263 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,360 mean the Brent Forbes thing that I feel like that's their move. They're just 264 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:56,840 a hold to me because their season is let's wait until if if Murray and 265 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:00,159 Porter Junior are back and can help us, you know, put to other 266 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,159 a late run, and we have the guy who's playing better than anyone else 267 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,119 in the league right now, like maybe who knows, who knows what happens 268 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,880 in the postseason. I think. I mean the other thing is they're about 269 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,039 a million bucks under the tax right now, and yeah, so it's it's 270 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,359 like in the hundreds of thousands, and they have an open roster spot. 271 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,839 So like I think they're done, and I think that's probably that's probably the 272 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,799 right call there, don't I don't have a whole lot to say about them, 273 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,440 because it doesn't seem like anything else is gonna happen. I would buy 274 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,039 still, and I mean I would not be done because you could probably bank. 275 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,720 Maybe Gary Harris gets bored out in Orlando. He's, by the way, 276 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,680 quietly played better on offense over the past like a month month and a 277 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 half, So I don't know if he's a BUI academic. Just because the 278 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,680 salary is so huge, Orlando probably can't move them. Maybe they get a 279 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,200 few shekels back in those negotiations, but you could bank on something like that. 280 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,640 There's also the chance that you don't land that player. I know they 281 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,960 have an inside track with Gary Harris. I would be looking at, just 282 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:57,559 is there a move You know you're not giving up a first, mostly because 283 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:00,200 you can't trade on until twenty seven. But you have NICOLEA. Yokich, 284 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,759 who, by the way, and I was just writing about MVPs, I 285 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,759 don't catch all metrics or not the end all be all of a case, 286 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,640 but he has the league's best net rating swing. He is first in look, 287 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,720 he is first an estimated plus minus from dunks and three's, first in 288 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,799 lebron from b Ball Index, first in luck adjusted r APM from MBA shot 289 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,160 charts, and first in every overarching category of raptor from five to thirty eight, 290 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,599 and first in total points added from MBA math. He is having one 291 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,480 of the best seasons in history, a legitimate follow up campaign two last year's 292 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:36,880 MVP campaign. I think you're obligated to go for it, and so I'm 293 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,799 not saying you need to look at Okay, can we attach a distant first 294 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:42,200 to Jamichael Green who hasn't does much, or do we look at moving on 295 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,640 Monte Morris will Barton, even though they're so important to what we do at 296 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,359 full strength or even without Michael Porter Junior Jamal Murray. But something like the 297 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,119 thing I proposed and Denver fans seemed like they were pretty against it was Zeke 298 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,319 Naji for Kuno Composo and a second and so like you're the asset you're getting 299 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:00,720 there or is just getting off of a Kuno composo. Now you're so many 300 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,119 tiny guards for Kenrich Williams from ok and that would be a deal. Something 301 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,720 along those lines is what I would look at, because I don't think they're 302 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,839 They're not a finished product, even at full strength. But I also think 303 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:17,319 they need to hedge against the fact that at least one of Murray or Michael 304 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:19,279 Porter Junior, if not both of them, won't be available when the stakes 305 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,039 get super high. Yeah, it's tough. It's a little bit. It's 306 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,440 a little bit like the discussion you have to have with the Sixers and mb 307 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,200 is, like are we really gonna just blow a season of MBID being in 308 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:34,240 his I mean to an even greater degree with Yo because yoga just playing better 309 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,720 right now than like anyone EBID included ever has but do you want to just 310 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:42,039 let this season go by without a serious shot at a title. I guess 311 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:45,599 maybe what I'm saying is, I'm I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't say 312 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,799 no to the like a ken Rich Williams edition or something, you know, 313 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:53,960 smallish along those lines. I guess, I just I guess I think the 314 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:59,720 upside for Denver is still like really high, which maybe should be a reason 315 00:19:59,759 --> 00:20:02,519 to I. I don't know if I'm arguing against myself, but they have 316 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:06,720 to think it's your assets because you can't trade Michael Porter, you're side an 317 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,680 extension, You're not trading Willy's injured anyway, You're not trading Jamal Murray, 318 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,000 you're not trading Aaron Gordon, you're not trading Nicole Yoki, and so then 319 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:15,480 your assets get What can you even justify moving Will Barton when you don't know 320 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,039 what's happening with Jamal Murray or Michael Porter. J Yeah, I mean, 321 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,119 if you knew you had the inside track on a Gary Harris buyout, I 322 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,279 would feel a lot better about trying to move Barton for I don't know what 323 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,799 I mean. He makes fifteen million and he's unrestricted in twenty three so I 324 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,799 mean he would have some appeal. I think a lot of feel like a 325 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,519 lot of teams would view him more as like a sixth man, honestly. 326 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:40,880 But yeah, that's that's it because otherwise, yeah, you're looking at just 327 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,359 a bunch of guys not making a whole lot. And I do think the 328 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,720 tax is a concern too, Like I don't think I don't think Denver is 329 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,240 gonna want to get over that line because you know, they're gonna be a 330 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,400 super expensive team like indefinitely once everybody once, specifically Porter's extension kicks in. 331 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,440 So yeah, the thing they could do with Oklahoma City I just realized looking 332 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,480 at their sheet is they owe their twenty twenty three first to them. It's 333 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,200 a lotto protected they could loosen the protections maybe, Okay, so he doesn't 334 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,079 want to do that because they'd rather it be like they know what's going to 335 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,680 convey anyway, So maybe you should just take a shot in the dark and 336 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,400 if the protections are loosened and Denver has an off year next season. But 337 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:22,519 that's probably granular stuff. Kenrick Williams of Denver though, that's that's among the 338 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:25,680 dreams or one of the fits that I like the best. I don't hate 339 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,559 it. After Dallas, though, we get to Well, we'll skip the 340 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:30,160 Warriors and go right to the Hut. We were up to the Golden State 341 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,480 Warriors, who, as I informed you via text message before we hopped on 342 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:38,920 here, they are twenty seven in point scored per possession over basically the past 343 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,359 two months. That is bad, just for anyone who who's curious, because 344 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,160 they're only thirty teams in the league, what should they be doing? Hold 345 00:21:51,839 --> 00:22:00,279 I will admit though, that still they might be the team best position to 346 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,640 to go get, you know, almost whatever they want because they've got all 347 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,680 the matching salary, which is just Wiggins basically, but they've got guys that 348 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,680 are cheap and young and you know Pool Comingo Wiseman, Moses Moody. I 349 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,680 don't know if the league at large really cares about Moody yet or is aware 350 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,680 that he scores like thirty five points a night in the G League and looks 351 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,200 incredible and then can't do anything in the NBA. But they have all this, 352 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:27,119 AMMO. I just don't I just don't see it. You could talk 353 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,799 me into like you could twist my arm on a Wiseman for Turner like that 354 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,720 being the skeleton of a deal. But otherwise, But the thing is they're 355 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,839 not going to do They're not going to do anything like. That's just they 356 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,480 have been firm from the start across the board. Nothing is going to happen. 357 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,480 And I sort of get it. I mean, they're bajillion dollars in 358 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:53,000 attacks and they're never coming out of it. But all these cheap guys they've 359 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,319 got that might have value in a trade if you were trying to like cut 360 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:02,519 salary or whatever, Like you know, Gary Payton the second and Porter Junior, 361 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:04,480 and you know, even Looney is someone that I think would have value 362 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,480 around the league. Only makes five million bucks. Like, but all those 363 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,160 guys matter, and all those guys are more valuable to the Warriors than they 364 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,960 are another team. So it's a hold, and it's like a hole. 365 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,680 Just they've just decided to hold. So so I don't I don't know. 366 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,799 I would love to hear if you think there's a likelihood that they go one 367 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,960 way or the other. I mean, they're not gonna sell, so imagine 368 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,759 what they're like, we don't have it this year, let's have another gap 369 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:33,680 year. Yeah, they're hold by process of elimination to me, because I 370 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,559 think they probably should be more aggressive than they're willing to be. That also 371 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,400 presumes there's that opportunity out there. And while I'm not as choosy as you 372 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,319 when it comes to who they would move those assets for, Pascal Siakam is 373 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,039 not available. Uh, you know, Miles Turner might be available, but 374 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,440 he's injured and there are people who believe that he wouldn't be a part of 375 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,839 Golden States closing lineups. I would reject that notion just because he can easily 376 00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:02,359 play with Draymond Green, and it's not someone who's super slow footed, so 377 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,920 that would never work. I would think people have mentioned a bonus for them. 378 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,039 He'd be interesting offensively, but he would be the guy who's less likely 379 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,279 to be in a closing lineup. That's not the player I'm going in on. 380 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,200 I would be open to those scenarios more than the Warriors are. However, 381 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:18,839 their issue is they're only built for a seismic trade. So Stephen Curry, 382 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,640 Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, they're just not going anywhere. You have 383 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Andrew Wiggins, but he's making thirty one point six million dollars. Then all 384 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,119 of a sudden. Your fifth highest paid player is James Wiseman, who's not 385 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,839 only like his sophomore year is gone, his first time year or awash, 386 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,400 so his trade value is super low and you do have top two pick equity 387 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920 invested in him, so you're not moving him in just some afterthought deal. 388 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,319 Kamina is your sixth highest paid player who you just drafted, who you probably 389 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,319 have the highest hopes for moving forward. At least that's where I'm at. 390 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,920 I know some people are probably a little bit higher on Jordan Pool maybe or 391 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,680 even Wiseman. After that, Okay Looney at five point two million, people 392 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,720 have mentioned how the Warriors need a big. You're not moving big for big 393 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:02,680 unless it's Wiseman because was not playing. Loony's played in every game this season, 394 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,599 I believe, so he's been healthier than normal. And then after that, 395 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,519 it's just like, Okay, Moody, he's your eighth highest paid player 396 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,240 at three point six million, what are you He could be as sweetener as 397 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240 part of a blockbuster, but you're not just going to trade him for someone. 398 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,839 And then after that, no one else makes more than Jordan Pool, 399 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:21,119 who's at two point two million. And when you look at Pool, and 400 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,559 Otto Porter Junior, Gary Payton the second. Those are guys who are providing 401 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,839 far more bang for their buck than their salary. We know they're not just 402 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,079 going to trade andre Adala. He's not a minimum deal. Why would you 403 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,200 do that? I think if I had to choose someone who's most likely to 404 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,799 get traded, I'd probably just say be Elita, because maybe they want the 405 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,799 roster spot. But I would be floored if they do anything splashy at the 406 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:48,680 deadline, mostly because it represents sort of a in about face in philosophy, 407 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,720 but also because then there would be someone who's available for them to think that 408 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,920 way, and I just don't. I haven't seen that player. It was 409 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,839 also, you know, we had had a conversation about Jalon Brown. Neither 410 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,359 of us thought he was available. He's not, but I said he'd be 411 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,640 interesting for the Warriors, and you're like, no, you can't trade for 412 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,559 him. And so then I brought up Lebron and you were like, no, 413 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,880 I can't trade for no. And then you said Michael Jordan aged twenty 414 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,759 eight, and I was like, no, no, forget it. We 415 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,799 have high hopes for Moses Moody around these parts. So but like Pascal Siakam 416 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,119 is the guy that I called like the ideal acquisition for that meeting in to 417 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,519 or around the meat and potatoes of the off season. It's clear the Raptors 418 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,839 are going to buy now or at least not going to sell. So I 419 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,279 think they they're justified and hold they serve, even though I would be more 420 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,559 open to like, oh, does it really only cost Wiseman and then okay, 421 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,480 yeah, you have to send up more salary, but Wiseman and then 422 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,640 like nothing really, like we're getting to keep Kaminga and we're still getting Turner, 423 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,920 Like that's something I would still consider. Yeah, No, I agree. 424 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960 I think one of them. I was just thinking about this today and 425 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:55,119 it's very half baked, but it's it's sort of a it's a it's a 426 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,200 push to go more towards where you're leaning of they should really be more aggressive 427 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,839 than their being, which is to say that like I don't think Jordan Pool 428 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,319 is going to sign his next contract with the Warriors because it's he's going to 429 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:14,160 be too expensive. I don't think you're very you're very likely to have another 430 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,799 year or another off season where you hit on so many minimums, which is 431 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,880 what they're going to have to do to sort of continue to populate this roster, 432 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,400 and the fact that they have pool at such a low salary, the 433 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,240 fact that they're getting a very good Wiggins, like Wiggins I think is playing 434 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,519 like at least a twenty two twenty four million dollar guy right now he's not 435 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,640 and he's been very good. I think. So you're getting good Wiggins. 436 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680 You're you've got you. You hit on Porter, you sort of hit on 437 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,759 Beelitza, but he's been kind of checked out for a while. Uh, 438 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,519 you've you've you've got you know your you've got your young guys. You've got 439 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,960 so I just like you would never think this way as an organization or as 440 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,160 a general manager, but you almost have to just for a second, say, 441 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,519 like what are the odds we get it this again next year? Like 442 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,039 probably not great. So if you're gonna push, then maybe now is the 443 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:10,519 time. And maybe another reason is like seeing more of Wiseman for suitors around 444 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,960 the league might not be a good thing, Like the mystery might still be 445 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,680 like an asset. So because if he comes back and he still can't catch 446 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920 the ball and now he's two years, it's just like it could get worse, 447 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,960 like there's always that in terms of his value. So I'm fully I 448 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,720 fully acknowledge the wisdom in like at least looking at being a buyer. But 449 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,640 but again, like you said, what's out there? Like, we're going 450 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160 to keep coming back to this, like what is out there to justify them 451 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,319 swinging big? And even like a jail Let's say Jalen Brown is available, 452 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Jalen Brown doesn't really help you anchor the non staff minutes or improve your shot 453 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,359 creation. Yeah, it's the same. It's definitely the same with Miles Turner. 454 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Seaham again is a name that would So that's also where the limited is. 455 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,599 Their defense has been so good this year and they need a very specific, 456 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,599 sought after, high end asset. On the other end, that it 457 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,519 makes it difficult. I would ask, though, how concerned are you about 458 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,359 them just giving me offensive struggles step slump? And then now you have Clay 459 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,880 with the knee problem flaring up, and Draymond Green is dealing with the backing 460 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,079 CAF issue, which they seem optimistic on, but like they, I haven't 461 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:25,200 seen a timetable for his return either. I'm I'm the Draymond thing is by 462 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,480 far the most concerning to me. Because this team is just like it's not 463 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,559 the same as not having Steff, but it's the next worst thing. I 464 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,119 mean, it's certainly like you're what you're seeing a lot of is how valuable 465 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,519 he is offensively, and like the defense is a given, but they just 466 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:48,880 their whole their whole offense just functions on understanding reads and guys that have played 467 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440 together for a long time and know what to do and where to be and 468 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,039 like the ones that fall a little short on that, Draymond like coaxes them 469 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,799 into the places they're supposed to be and hit and he moves the ball the 470 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,799 way that Steve Kerr wants it moved when and like he's just he's super valuable 471 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,519 offensively, which is nuts for a guy that just doesn't get guarded basically, 472 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,680 so it's high on twos in the paint, but outside the restricted area. 473 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:18,640 So he's he's you know, even more valuable. Then, Yeah, that's 474 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,720 the only source of concern because I still think like just they're they're deep. 475 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,240 They have upside if Kaminga continues to improve, Wiseman, I don't expect anything 476 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:32,559 from I think Thompson assuming this knee soreness that he's having is not a big 477 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:37,119 issue. Is going to get better and stop shooting, you know, forty 478 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,680 seven times every fifteen minutes. He plays like they're they. I think there's 479 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,440 upside. I think it's the steps thing. I'm not going to worry about 480 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,960 a Steph Curry shooting slump until it lasts like two full years. At this 481 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,920 point, he's like he's got the benefit of the doubt from me. I 482 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,039 think Anthony Slater reported that, like he's got issues with both hands like that, 483 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,079 Like it's it seems like an injury thing that he's just playing through his 484 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,839 Draymond's not there, So my concern level is very low. But it would 485 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,279 be like a ten if you said Draymond might be out for you know, 486 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,880 two months or something. Are any other guys on minimum contracts or close to 487 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,440 them going to be back next year? I'm looking and I'm gonna say maybe, 488 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Igadalla. That's the thing. Like, you know, if you're someone 489 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:25,039 like Porter, I think part of the reason you came here is to rehab 490 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,240 your value. And like he's mission a mission accomplished, right, Like maybe 491 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,680 you can use the MINIMLI on him, but that presumes enough. Yeah, 492 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,279 that is that enough. It's also a fair point. Yeah, I think 493 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,000 Looney will be back just because he seems like a lifer and he's not on 494 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,519 a minimum, but he's going to be a free agent. I mean, 495 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,880 Siscano Anderson maybe I think he's restricted. I don't see Steve Kartos don't seem 496 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,440 to like him very much though. I think he's a guy that Kerr knows 497 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,039 he can leave stranded on the bench for a long time and it's not going 498 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,039 to cause a problem. And that's not true of maybe some of the other 499 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,880 guys that are candidates for that. But like Damien Lee is another one. 500 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,680 He's gonna be a free agent. I mean, I can see someone giving 501 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,759 Gary Payton the second Oh my god. Yeah, that guy he's gonna get. 502 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,480 Well, that's the thing. He's such a niche guy that like Porter 503 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,400 will probably get more than him. But they're both gonna make way more than 504 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,599 the minimum, right Like there's yeah, and the Warriors sort of every minimum's 505 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,599 any Every dollar above the minimum for them is like ten million dollars in tax, 506 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,640 So it's gonna be that's the That's the thing they're gonna have to hit 507 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,200 again in free agency, assuming all these guys are gone. Because they've played 508 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,839 themselves into bigger contracts that the Warriors can't give them, and we're in agreement 509 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,079 that be Elitz is the most likely to be moved. I guess you could 510 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,880 maybe say Jta, but it'll be I think be Elitz has has fallen out 511 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,359 of favor a little bit, and deservedly so. He's just not been the 512 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,119 same guy he was. He looked like incredible the first month of the season, 513 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,000 and it's just it's not been there. He's not he's he's not been 514 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,559 the same guy. The Houston Rockets, by seller hold, I mean, 515 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:59,079 I think they got a good thing going. So you know that negative eight 516 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,279 point three net rate, it's pretty solid. Fourteen and thirty. No, 517 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:06,960 I mean they're they should sell everything, right, Like what's what's what's the 518 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,680 I mean, I guess if you're cool with Jalen Green obviously is keeper and 519 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960 people seem to like Porter. I don't know about that one, but you 520 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,440 keep him around and see what he turns into. But like everybody else, 521 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,799 like Gordon, Obviously, if you can get a first for Gordon, that's 522 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,599 a question. Do you think Gordon's going to get bring them a first? 523 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,400 Like of any consequence? My guess is, yes, I know he's going 524 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,599 to be thirty four next year and he's making nineteen point six million dollars next 525 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,240 year, but he's shooting a career high from three, and among players and 526 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:42,759 we're talking about more than a hundred players here who've attempted at least seventy five 527 00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:49,039 shots off of drives, he is second behind only Jannis in field goal percentage 528 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,039 on those lins. So he's like three point shooting and rib pressure and he 529 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,640 can even defend some wings. So I look at him and I'm like, 530 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,079 yeah, Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Grant, you definitely prefer those guys if you're 531 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,400 a team. But if you're a team that doesn't have the assets to get 532 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,440 any of the other two and they're it's different ends of the positional spectrum. 533 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,800 I get it. He feels like one of what should be one of the 534 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,679 top deadline prizes this season. And I know there was a report from Kelly 535 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,639 Iko the Athletic that they're content to keep him, but he's just the If 536 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,199 I'm them, yes, I would move Christian would I would look at basically, 537 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320 I would move anyone except probably Jalen Green and Al perujan Gun At this 538 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,880 point, Usman grew bomb in love with and like you wouldn't like you just 539 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,400 got Josh Christopher. So I get you're not actively shopping guys, but I 540 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,920 feel like Gordon's for them has to be moved. He might be a positive 541 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,800 presence in the locker room, but there's actually a chance his trade value could 542 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,840 crater after this season just because of age, injury history, and salary. 543 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:45,559 I mean, now is the time, Like, first of all, he's 544 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,639 playing like someone that should absolutely get a first back. He's playing like he's 545 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,000 playing like someone that is as valuable as we seem to think. Barnes and 546 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,840 Grant are different player Like you said, but the other thing with him is 547 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:06,679 that we've sort of seen him be a really really important part of teams that 548 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,079 have made deep playoff runs on both ends. Like he was a very good 549 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:14,960 defender on some very good Rockets teams and can be that. And so the 550 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,599 shooting and scoring efficiency, which is better than it's ever been, is much 551 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,639 more than a bonus. But like, it's not nothing to have a guy 552 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,039 that you can trust on both ends and who can guard up a position if 553 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,760 you need him to. That's just a different, and there's not like you 554 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,840 know, there's there's the big forwards are kind of out there. There's a 555 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,840 few of them, But who's like you're tough two slash three that can play 556 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,199 both ends. That's also I mean, like Terrence Ross is not that type 557 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,000 of player. I'm trying to Carris Lavert is not that type of player. 558 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,360 So Gordon is almost like I mean, Taylon Horton Tucker wishes he was that 559 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,360 kind of player. But the guys that are available, like Gordon's kind of 560 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,039 I mean, we'll come across some, I'm sure at some point as we 561 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,199 continue to discuss these teams, but like he's got a little bit of an 562 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,760 edge because if you need a player like Gordon, basically you just need Gordon 563 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,920 and there's nobody else that's going to fill that hole. Yeah, and so 564 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,960 he would be most likely to be traded just because they seem undecided about what 565 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,800 they want to do with christian Wood. They should have moved christian Wood over 566 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,119 the summer, in my opinion, because the right to just pay him a 567 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,039 bunch of money in his next deal doesn't do anything for you. You have 568 00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:23,039 Shane Goon, you gave Daniel Place money, over the off season for some 569 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:27,880 reason, I really hope Usman Gruber gets to play with the parent club more 570 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800 next season. So what is someone I would be shopping. I was actually 571 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,719 shocked that I saw the Heat have been the most aggressive trying to get him. 572 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,280 That was Perer report. I think it was the athletic if I would 573 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,639 not mistaken. I don't know what were they offered. They had to be 574 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:46,920 offering ninety million dollars Garrison Matthews plus whatever, like a first in twenty twenty 575 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,320 five. I guess, so that's not enough. I would think you could 576 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,159 definitely get a first for Wood and maybe like a prospect. I guess the 577 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:58,320 issue with him is I can name you. I'll rattle off like ten teams 578 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,119 right now that she trades for Eric Gordon. I can't do the same with 579 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,840 Wood. He's kind of mortiv An anomaly, especially at his position. He's 580 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,360 so dynamic on the offensive end, but the center position is just so oversaturated 581 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,800 that unless you are willing to settle, I understand. I guess why you 582 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,760 wouldn't move him specifically, though, Eric Gordon feels like he's the most likely 583 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,920 player to be traded just because he should be traded I'm not a big time 584 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,039 I'll mention timelines and stuff, but he clearly doesn't and that doesn't necessarily matter, 585 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,639 but he clearly doesn't align with your timeline. And you have other guys 586 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,079 in the backcourt that you could evaluate, and maybe this opened some playing time 587 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,199 for John Wall somehow if you get rid of Eric Gordon, even though it 588 00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,360 doesn't seem like John Wall wants to come off the bench. But Eric Gordon's 589 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,280 a starter for this team, and I just I don't know. So he's 590 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,360 still a name I'm sticking with there, I'm and I would if i'm them. 591 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,679 I'm trying to move David Nawaba. You know what can we get for 592 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,599 DJ Augustine? Does anyone want him? He's technically an expiring contract. He's 593 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,960 a three hundred and thirty three thousand dollars guarantee next year. And that's the 594 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,639 other thing they should be looking to do. And maybe that's how you increase 595 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,199 the like asoud you get a first for Eric Gordon is take back money beyond 596 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,079 this season, maybe money teams don't want and so like if it's Dallas, 597 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,400 for instance, this is a team that should just be like, yeah, 598 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,760 we'll take Dwight Powell back as part of the salary filler. He's cheaper than 599 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,679 Eric Gordon and on a deal for next year. We don't need him, 600 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,480 but that's something that you could do to ensure you maybe get a first round 601 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,920 pick. Dallas probably isn't the team to get that first round pick from, 602 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,079 but that's what I'm doing. I'm if I'm Houston. Yeah, I think 603 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,079 just one other point on what I think, Miles Turner being hurt is the 604 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,719 best thing that could happened to the Christian Woods value. Just I mean, 605 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,760 it's not the same player. You get. You get more dynamic offense, 606 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,599 but you get the stretch that you might want at the five. You don't 607 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,480 get the rim protection at all. You get the lead opposite of that. 608 00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,400 But if you're in the market for like a center that you could integrate into, 609 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,599 like Charlotte keeps coming to mind. Obviously, I'm sure you've seen Charlotte 610 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,280 mentioned as a Christian Wood destination just because they you know, Turner made a 611 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,400 ton of sense there. And really, if you were in on Turner and 612 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,760 it wasn't just because of the shoplock, I think you should probably be semi 613 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,960 interested in would so I think to really buy into they've been better on defensive 614 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,199 late, and you know, you really have to buy into Okay, we're 615 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,760 already playing small for a bunch of minutes and surviving. You have to buy 616 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,760 into wood being able to at least not worsen that situation, which is dicey 617 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,800 so to say the least. Yeah, for sure, that would bring us 618 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,039 to the Los Angeles Clippers, the sad sack Los Angeles Clippers. As we 619 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,000 record this, Nicholas Batum is not happy, but buy seller holes for the 620 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,239 Clippers. I think they're a seller. And that's just The two main reasons 621 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,679 are one their tax situation. They got to trim that. And that's related 622 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,400 to the biggest thing, which is it seems like it's possible Paul George and 623 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,039 Kawai Leonard may not play this year. This may be a gap year all 624 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,360 of a sudden, so without the first round pick at the end of the 625 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,920 tunnel, without without actually a payoff. But but but it seems like that's 626 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,960 a very legitimate possibility. They've got, they've got some guys that The thing 627 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,480 is, I don't know what they're what their goal would be other than trimming 628 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,360 tax. And so I'll just jump to it, like Sergebaka is the guy 629 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,079 I think is the most likely player to be traded, just because if you 630 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,760 cut his nine point four or seven, I've seen it at nine point four 631 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,800 nine point seven different places. I think that what I've seen is that that 632 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,880 cuts like forty one million dollars off your tax bill. If you can just 633 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,480 get that off, if you can send him to the thunder with like a 634 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,559 whatever, a second or a couple of seconds or something, find someone to 635 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,880 take it, you can save a ton of money. I don't feel bad 636 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,239 that Steve Balmer and the Clippers ownership has to spend a lot of money, 637 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,599 but like we're, you know, trying to proceed logically. So yeah, 638 00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:44,679 I feel like they're sellers just because of the tax and they're two best players 639 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,039 might not play, but they do have some other contracts I think would be 640 00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,119 interesting, Like you know, Bledsoe's gotta what is it, eighteen ish million 641 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,719 this year and then he's just it's like a pretty small guarantee for next year. 642 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,360 Yeah, yeah, three point nine, So that seems like type of 643 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,440 contract you would want to move. I just like, what are you sweetening 644 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,880 that with or what do you what do they want back, you know, 645 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,760 do they want because if the idea is to trim your trim your tax bill, 646 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,239 do you want a longer deal coming back for that, because that's usually 647 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,320 what you'd sort of be after in that situation, trying to provide salary really 648 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,800 for somebody else. So yeah, I don't know they're sellers to me, 649 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,360 but it's kind of hazy just because they're They weren't set up to be sellers. 650 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,400 They were built to be the opposite of this. Yeah, I agree 651 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,760 with I think you said too. It has to be a Vaca Marcus Morris. 652 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,960 He was like the second most likely guy, just because I think they 653 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,360 seem to really like Brandon Boston Junior. And when you do have Paul George 654 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,480 and Kawhi Leonard, he is not let's say, mission criticals is the way 655 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599 you're gonna play. And especially I would say teams should be interested in Nick 656 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,960 Latum, but he definitely took less money to come back this year. You 657 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,599 can't move them, you just you can't, unless unless he says he's leaving 658 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,760 in the summer, then it's then it's okay. So but if you're keeping 659 00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,239 Batum and you like Brandon Boston Junior, long term and you have Kawai Paul 660 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,559 George for next season. I think there are teams where Marcus Morris could be 661 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:08,920 sort of that surprise impact player that's moved to the deadline where yes there when 662 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,760 he deviates and is freelancing on offense, it's it's beyond iffy. But when 663 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,880 he plays like within his role, and he can also give you some small 664 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,599 ball five minutes if you want to try it. He is someone I very 665 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,840 much view who could augment a contender. And I know he hasn't been as 666 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,119 good as he was for stretch as last year, but you know you've seen 667 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,519 those stretches though you've seen him do it. That's the thing. Two years 668 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,800 and thirty, it's thirty three point five million dollars about that he's owed. 669 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,320 That might sort of ruin some of his market, But I still think there 670 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,800 would be teams that could rolladizing in. But and you could maybe also look 671 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,000 at moving Luke Kennard. I don't think his deal it's age I would say 672 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,159 better than it looked when he first signed it, but that's not even a 673 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:53,280 net neutral contract. Do you look at the question would be do you look 674 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,480 at moving Reggie Jackson I'd probably say no because your point guard situation is so 675 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:04,079 bomb like bunk so and when they were healthy. By the way, I 676 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:09,039 had to talk with someone who covers the rockets about whether they had the assets 677 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,199 to get using Bledsoe like the Sweeten did and get Eric Gordon, and they 678 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,039 do have some Detroit seconds, I believe, and so like they were. 679 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,239 He said that would be the floor on an Eric Gordon returned, but that 680 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,800 if he were Houston he would ultimately do it. But like they've sort of 681 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,480 changed the way you look at it, and you mentioned this with Eric Bletzo 682 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:28,719 salary specifically, and maybe even Reggie Jackson's a little bit too, Like you're 683 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,519 not trying to get out from under that deal. He only has one guaranteed 684 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,320 season left, and so it's really just cutting this year's tax bill, which 685 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,280 would be abaka or I think Marcus Morris gives you some of that immediate relief 686 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,800 depending on what you're taking back, and then really some long term stuff. 687 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,039 And I think, look, there are a bunch of teams. I don't 688 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,199 know what the costs would be to get him, but he makes sense on 689 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,920 you know, basically every team. Yeah, No, I think I mean 690 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,920 if Morris were clearly available. I don't think he's in the Barns Grant tier, 691 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,800 but he's there, I mean, and really like unlike those two, 692 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,440 he really I guess Jeremy Grant has played like a little bit of five maybe 693 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,840 at some point for the Thunderback. I don't know, But but Morris has 694 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,880 played small ball five, like in the playoffs for the Clippers when they beat 695 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,320 the Jet like that. They's definitely succeeded in that role. I worry about 696 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,119 his health and his age and all that stuff, but if he were available, 697 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,679 he I mean, he might be worth a first like you know, 698 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,039 protected or like later in the I don't know. I mean I think I 699 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,639 think they could get something for him, But then yeah, we're just I'm 700 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:36,920 just regurgitating the idea of like, what do they what are they trying to 701 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,039 accomplish other than clearly trimming the tax bill? I don't, I don't, 702 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,559 I don't know. And the other thing is like, I don't know if 703 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,920 they could get back someone who makes as much sense when everything's put together as 704 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,159 he does for the roster, because he clearly is a hugely valuable piece on 705 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,199 this specific team for how they want to play especially in the postseason. He 706 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,320 also mighted to be cognizant of where you're sending him because you plan on being 707 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,760 back in the Western Conference fold next year. So do you still want to 708 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,599 You know what if the Lakers came calling with the special in their next town 709 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,719 Horton Tucker, Kendrick Nunn at the first, that only trims your tax bill 710 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,239 a little bit. And that's the other thing to get into is the teams 711 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,679 that if you're looking for flexibility, a lot of them that can provide it 712 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,000 are not going to be in the Marcus Moore spy sweepstakes to begin with, 713 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,159 because so many of them. He makes so much that they're going to need 714 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,039 to send out X amount of salary. Maybe there's something you could do with 715 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:29,360 Dallas, but then you're invariably going to be stuck with Dwight Powell's deal on 716 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,840 your books next season, which is fine, he makes over six million less 717 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,920 than Marcus Morris, but is that enough luxury tax savings for you to be 718 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,400 like, Yeah, let's sort of punt on this guy, who I still 719 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,679 think it his peak is very helpful. Yeah, I agree. The Los 720 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:49,679 Angeles Lakers buy cell hold implode. I mean they gotta be a buyer. 721 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000 But you just mentioned ten seconds ago, like every asset they have, which 722 00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:58,559 is you know, Horton Tucker none and that twenty seven first, which, 723 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:04,280 by the way, that's twenty seven. Here's my thing, Okay, you 724 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,239 gotta think is I know people point out that the Lakers always seem to get 725 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,519 free agents. We did, just like we're only a little bit removed from 726 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,599 a period in which they sucked something off for ten years, for like ten 727 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:19,320 years, and they were terrible. This is my issue though, which front 728 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,760 office exact I don't even know what to call them anymore. I've been calling 729 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,599 them emperor of basketball operations. Which emperor of basketball operations has the job security 730 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,039 to sell to his bosses their bosses that, oh, this pick that's basically 731 00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,360 a half decade away or more if it conveys in twenty twenty eight as a 732 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:44,360 primary asset to where it doesn't damage your job security. And then let's just 733 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,960 assume there is that executive out there, which by the way, there is 734 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:52,599 not. I would argue and press thee are the only two executives that have 735 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,800 the and maybe maybe is rc BU first to the top basketball executive San Antonio, 736 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,159 their front office structure is so weird. But just say San Antonio, 737 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:07,559 Toronto and okay, see, I think would be the only destinations that or 738 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,159 teams whether they would be job security for them that regime to view this as 739 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,199 an asset, and that's sort of where And then let's just say there is 740 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,199 someone who've used it as an asset. Who's the best player realistically that you're 741 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,239 getting for talent Horton Tucker, who, by the way, you're shooting fairly 742 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,400 well outside the restricted area lately. But talent Horton Tucker, Kendrick nun who 743 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,679 hasn't played next season this season and has a player option for next season that 744 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,960 he is going to pick up, plus that twenty twenty seven first Like, 745 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,039 who's the best player you could get? And if that best player is Eric 746 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:44,199 Gordon, if you're the Lakers, are you doing it? Because then all 747 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:50,519 of a sudden you've spent your last best hand on Eric Gordon. I mean, 748 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,639 first of all, Eric Gordon was the player I was thinking of. 749 00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,519 It would help, but it's just like, at the end of the day, 750 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,400 you're giving up a twenty twenty seven first round big for someone who will 751 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,360 probably be at least two years retired by that point, if not three or 752 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,039 four. You know what, though, I still do it. I still 753 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,039 would do it because like Horton, I don't, I'm none hasn't played who 754 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,440 you know, Horton Tucker is just like if Horton Tucker were on some other 755 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,400 random team, we would talk about him ten percent as often as we talk 756 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,360 about him. Becausy on the Lakers, and he's like, they're the only 757 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,519 game in town. As far as like a young, promising, promising I'm 758 00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:29,519 making air quotes player, I think Gordon is a possible. It might be 759 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:30,480 just absolutely as good as it could get. And I would do it just 760 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,840 because now, like, well, now we got a nineteen inch million dollar 761 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,320 player that we could spin into a bigger trade for an even more expensive guy 762 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,280 somehow, some way, I don't like, yeah, somehow, even though 763 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,760 we don't have any first anymore to trade Yeah, I don't know. I 764 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,679 mean, the Lakers just don't. You can't trade Westbrook, It's not doesn't 765 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,960 seem possible. You should definitely just trade DeAndre Jordan and camp Bay's Moore if 766 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,880 you can find like anyone to fill roster spots and just try to make that 767 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,960 happen. But yeah, they needed to do a lot, and they don't 768 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,079 have the tools to do almost anything. That's so. I mean they're buyers, 769 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:12,760 but like they're like the buyers that walk into a like a high end 770 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,639 car dealership and just didn't bring the checkbook. Like there's just there's you know, 771 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,760 they can look all they want, but I just don't see a way 772 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,119 to make anything significant happen. And they did this to themselves, by the 773 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,119 way, because there was yea there. If you're ever going to make a 774 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:28,880 consolidation trade like you did, and it's not for a player who's a no 775 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,760 brainer fit, there at least has to be a clear vision to his working 776 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,639 out within the context of the rest of your team, and that never existed 777 00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,840 with Westbrook. The biggest argument in favor of him was just imagine what he 778 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,760 can do in the non Lebron minutes or when Lebron doesn't play. That doesn't 779 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:46,440 help you in the finals if that's where you want to get, because Lebron's 780 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,519 gonna be playing, so to give up that much for him too is a 781 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,800 disaster. Now. Mason Ginsburg, a co host of the In the No 782 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,800 podcast, which covers the New Orleans Pelicans, brought up the idea that the 783 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,360 Lakers could if there was a way in theory. I don't know what New 784 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,039 Orleans would need, but let's say the Lakers give them something so that they 785 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,079 agree to take the twenty twenty four pick they no longer have the option to 786 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:16,400 defer to twenty twenty five. The Lakers can then trade two first round picks 787 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,760 and a swap twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight first plus a twenty twenty 788 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,639 seven swap. If you're the Lakers and there's a pathway to doing that, 789 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,960 would you do that? And two? How much more appealing is that offer 790 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,440 as a team, because I would argue twenty twenty six is still far away, 791 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,559 but now it's like, oh, we have two of those twist round 792 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:40,719 picks. It's way easier to sell. But then then the question it's still 793 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,760 what are you getting for that of the of the players that are available, 794 00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:50,639 what like, what what are you know Jaylen Brown not not gonna happen? 795 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,760 Well, I would say, like, and you would need to step you 796 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,360 out ladder your way to this still. But I think Harrison Barnes would be 797 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,519 like the peak, like just below a Jeremy Grant. I don't think Detroit 798 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,760 would do. So if it's Jeremy Grant or Harrison Barnes, are you doing 799 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,960 it? I mean you might as well because you're like your franchisees is kind 800 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,360 of done once lebron Is is, you know, is gone right? Like 801 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:21,159 it's so I think it's the being pot committed is kind of like a not 802 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,559 a great way to operate, but like, yeah, man, why not, 803 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,199 like just it's just the other thing is, if I'm New Orleans, 804 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,039 like you're gonna have to pay up a little bit, Like I don't know 805 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,760 what I need from you to agree to this. But if I'm New Orleans, 806 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,239 like I'm not just I'm not just gonna go along with this because I 807 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,400 know how bad you you know, I know what the urgency level is, 808 00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,199 right, I don't even know what they could feasibly give up because you can't 809 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,320 give up, you know, giving like giving up another first to do that 810 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:51,239 does not help them in the slightest. And they have like they don't even 811 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,280 have any good second round picks. They have Washington's twenty twenty eight second, 812 00:51:54,119 --> 00:52:00,760 the eight. They have a twenty twenty three second from Chicago. Okay, 813 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,679 so that's in the in the fifties. Probably they have a twenty twenty four 814 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,039 second round pick less favorable of Washington or Memphis. You could give them three 815 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,599 seconds to do it. I don't know why no one needs to do that, 816 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,960 but let's just say they did. I'd probably do if I'm the Lakers 817 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,159 too, because your your urgency is very much now. They're saving Grace, 818 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,039 so we're not just shitting all over them the numbers. When Anthony Davis is 819 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,239 at the five, with Russell and Lebron on the court, the Lakers are 820 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,199 straight annihilating opponents. And so if those if Anthony Davis and Lebron are healthy, 821 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,880 I'd probably give them a chance to do like something semi special. But 822 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,039 yeah, they're clearly nowhere where they need to be. A team that is 823 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,519 not only exactly where it needs to be, but ahead of schedule. How's 824 00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:43,039 that for a segue. It's good podcasting the Memphis Grizzlies, buy seller hold 825 00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,400 as I was looking at this team, like, you know, we don't 826 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,480 need to talk about how over the moon everyone rightfully is about the Grizzlies. 827 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,119 But man, they're set up to just do whatever they want, like they 828 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,760 there's they can they can play this I said, buyer, they should be 829 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,960 a fire, and it's just mainly because they can be and they can flex 830 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,760 so hard. Like they've got all these salaries, right, so if you 831 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,239 want to and they've got they're at a point sort of like even probably to 832 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,960 a greater degree than Atlanta because all of Atlanta's like you know, supposed glut 833 00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:21,840 of good players is like they're actually haven't been that great. But so you've 834 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,519 got Steven Adams like seventeen ish million, Dylan Brooks twelve ish, Kyle Anderson 835 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,840 expiring just under ten, Melton, Jones and Culver are all between six and 836 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,760 nine. Clark if you want to throw them in there is just under three 837 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,000 million. You've got all that stuff, right basically like good players, like 838 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:45,599 players that would play someplace. I would argue inessential with you know, like 839 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:51,440 Brooks matters, Adams actually matters, but the rest of those guys, you 840 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,800 know, you could you could move. They have all their own firsts and 841 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,039 they got three coming in. Granted they're from the Warriors and Jazz, but 842 00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:02,159 also the Lakers between twenty two and twenty or depending on how those get conveyed. 843 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,679 So if you want, like if Siakam's on the board, which maybe 844 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,800 he's not. Like the Grizzlies could just could throw a zillion picks together and 845 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,320 matching salary with players that are actually good that Toronto would want and go make 846 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,840 the Godfather offer for Sam or you know, if you want to downgrade and 847 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,320 go for just the best players that are actually available, you don't have to 848 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,320 offer that much. But Memphis, I think has to explore being a buyer 849 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,320 because they're really good, and they do feel kind of right for consolidation, 850 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:38,760 and they're just super asset rich. So I think there's a chance that you 851 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,239 know, they could they could go into the playoffs like as dangerous as absolutely 852 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,280 anybody if they wanted to. I don't know if they want to, but 853 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:52,639 but just looking at what they've got, they have the chance to do almost 854 00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:58,239 anything. I echo everything you said, and I think they I think Harrison 855 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,079 Barnes or Jeremy Grant surprise surprise, can mention the same and he's over and 856 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:05,280 over. Those are moves they could make without giving up Desmond Bane, Jaren 857 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,320 Jackson, Junior, John Morant, or I would say even Zayer Williams, 858 00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,679 who has parked up a bit lately. The other thing, now, I 859 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,880 don't want to say it was first on this. I was early on this, 860 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,559 and it's gained some traction basically everywhere outside of Memphis, which when fans 861 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,880 were talking to me about it, they didn't seem to like this. They 862 00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,280 felt and he's hurt now. So but let's just say they know they get 863 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,559 the medicals. He's fine, he'll be back in time for the playoffs, 864 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,480 be really good. I thought they were a sneaky good Miles Turner destination, 865 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,599 and he's probably someone just due to the sheer volume or first round picks that 866 00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,519 you have that you could just build shit around expiring contracts and maybe you know, 867 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:44,400 was Indiana interested in Brandon Clark or Xavier Tillman or something. You could 868 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,320 make that deal and he can play with Jarreens James Hell. You could keep 869 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,039 Steven Adams in that deal, bring him off the bench. Like so, 870 00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:53,519 there are so many different permutations of what they could do, and they can 871 00:55:53,559 --> 00:56:00,360 do it without bankrupting their best tangible assets that I think they're almost would get 872 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,239 it, because let's just say, if Miles Turner is going to cost you, 873 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:06,760 let's say you have to give up someone just that Indiana would be interesting 874 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,800 actually playing let's say it's Brandon Clark, who's having a bounce back year after 875 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,559 here's essentially out of the rotation last year. Yeah, if it cause you're 876 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,280 Brandon Clark in two first round picks, they'll be protected. Brandon Clark in 877 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,320 two first round picks and obviously the salary filler to go with it. What 878 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,360 is that cost to you? Really? Yeah, that's what I mean. 879 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:30,119 They they they they're holding all the cards. They The other thing is, 880 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,639 I mean, the the Devil's Advocate case is that it's a small market team. 881 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,760 They got here by just you know, drafting well basically and being smart 882 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,800 and being careful, and like, what's what's so bad about going forward with 883 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:52,079 all these affordable contracts and a bunch of first round picks other than the fact 884 00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:55,079 that your team is so good now that your own first rounders aren't that great, 885 00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,159 Like that's there's They could just kind of hang tight and just wait for 886 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,360 the Jazz and the Warriors to age out and the Suns and then suddenly it's 887 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,960 their conference. Like that's not an unrealistic scenario. But I would argue, 888 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,559 like, if you're already this good, you are and you have that much 889 00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,360 upside, like let's go. Let's let's do the Miles Turner thing. Let's 890 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,719 like, let's throw everything for Boston for Jalen Brown, let's get let's make 891 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,199 the Raptors trade Siakam, I don't know you name it like they Yeah, 892 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,719 they've got limitless options. In edit to this podcast because we were recording it 893 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,079 and see with the Clippers are no longer sad sack because they erased the thirty 894 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:37,039 five point lead to beat the Wizards. So the Wizards are the sad sacks. 895 00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,800 A lot of sad sacks out there. Yeah, I'm with you on 896 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:45,360 Memphis though, and I do think they are justified in holding because this is 897 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,440 still found money. I think while Steven Adams has been good for them, 898 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,239 and he might lead the league in like shooting percentages on a little tips, 899 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,320 those volleyball tips around the basket, but the way they made the Valan Shooters 900 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,440 trade that was very clearly something aimed at planning for the future because it moved 901 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,239 them up in the draft. And this is this season has almost found money 902 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,239 because yes, the internal expectations were probably higher. This is year three of 903 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:14,519 me being woefully, irretrievably wrong about the Memphis Grizzlies, but you probably weren't 904 00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:16,159 expecting to be this good. So yeah, you could stand pat, but 905 00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:22,079 I'm with you because the opportunity cost and just the you know, the risk 906 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,840 analysis of this is so low you might as well. You know, we're 907 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,159 not talking about going all in for a jail and Brown and Bradley or Bradley 908 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,039 Beale and having to worry if they're going to stick around. You would. 909 00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,559 Miles Turner would definitely extend there, and Harrison Barnes is another two years on 910 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,920 his deal. Jeremy Grant would extend there. Maybe don't want to play him. 911 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,000 I get that, Like you can make moves that will cost you money 912 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,079 to keep these players, but they're not gonna, just like I said before, 913 00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:51,320 bankrupt you of your assets. So I don't want to say they're obligated 914 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,079 to buy. But if I was the Grizzlies, I'd be pretty reckless leading 915 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:59,920 into the trade. Just like it doesn't even have to be crazy because you 916 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:04,079 can just go get Buddy healed, just just like added lights out shooter that 917 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,639 you can bring off that like, why not just just do do something? 918 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,960 I don't know, I guess, uh, yeah, we just keep saying 919 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,760 the same thing about the Grizzlies. But like I was just blown up that 920 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,400 I was blown away by it, by the by the position they're in. 921 00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:20,079 What franchise is in a better position like near and long term. I mean, 922 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,599 it's ridiculous. Look at you bringing up an original name even though it's 923 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,239 kind of a cliche name and trade circles with Buddy, But like that's something 924 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,880 you do. But look, Eric Golord even kind of works for this team. 925 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,719 He does the things on offense that Dylan Brooks thinks that he can do. 926 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,880 Let's go. Confidence is a skill this team is. I can't. 927 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,880 I had Sharon Brown ought to do the Memphis Grizzlies preview each of the past 928 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,280 two years, and one of the years she comed, she said, Dylan 929 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:53,079 Brooks is Dollar Tree Kobe's that's good. This team was hard for me. 930 00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:59,840 Yeah, something introducing you said, Minnesota Timberwolves buy seller hold, So I 931 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,159 I call I got a lot of buys again, they're they're less than a 932 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:10,039 million, exactly right. There's a lot of buyers and not a lot to 933 01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,480 be bought there. So the big thing with them is like Ben Simmons, 934 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:21,239 to me, still makes as much sense there as almost anywhere else. Oh 935 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,960 really, I like him there because here's my kind of give you my Ben 936 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920 Simmons explanation, even because it doesn't matter, because it's never gonna happen. 937 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,599 They're they're so willing to play non shooters as it is, So it's twofold 938 01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,400 one. If you're willing to play McDaniels and Vanderbilt like a fair amount, 939 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,039 which they are, Vanderbilt being better and very good actually, and they can't 940 01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:45,280 shoot. If you're willing to play those guys that much, what's your what's 941 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,639 your objection to playing Ben Simmons a lot? And you're gonna say, well, 942 01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:51,280 DeAngelo Russell's on the ball problem. DeAngelo Russell shouldn't be on the ball, 943 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,119 like he's having a much better year. He's playing defense now like or 944 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,039 you know, Ben Taylor did a great video about how he's communicating and all 945 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,199 this other stuff. I don't want Danel Russell as my primary ball handler for 946 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:07,239 thirty million dollars a year, especially with Edwards ascending in towns constantly deserving more 947 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,239 shots. So I'm cool with the fit with Simmons there because they're already playing 948 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,039 nonshooters, and I think Russell is is overpaid for his role. But they 949 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,559 just they can't do it because there are a million bucks from the tax They 950 01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,559 don't have the salaries to make any sense without a third team. That's been 951 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:28,360 the case for with respect to Simmons forever. So I'd like them to be 952 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:36,039 a buyer. They can throw you know, reference Jay Klayman, Josha Kogi 953 01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,199 together and get up in the neighborhood of twenty million dollars they've got. I 954 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,239 think they've got all their own picks now because that yeah, they've got their 955 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:47,760 picks because one conveyed to the Warriors, So they have salary ballast and they 956 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,000 have first they can offer, but they don't want to get over the tax 957 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,840 i suspect, and like we're just back talking about Jeremy Grant again and they 958 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,320 don't I think have enough to do that us. They go like three firsts 959 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,000 or you know, something ridiculous. So they're a buyer. But again, 960 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,559 like I just don't. I hope you have some suggestions because I don't really 961 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,880 know what they what does suggest for them other than the bold move of like 962 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,320 what's out there for Russell right now? I do think they would be one 963 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,360 of the best Harrison Barnes destinations. Actually, their offense has been their seventh 964 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,440 since December first, and their defense is decline. I think that's the argument 965 01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,320 for Ben Simmons right there, is that you didn't trust your overall defensive performance. 966 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,000 You've been better, Lord, you haven't. You've been better, but 967 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,280 you're still bad at grabbing defensive rebounds, and so Ben Simmons can help you 968 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,079 from the point of attack, but also just does so much. You want 969 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,320 someone to push the ball up the court after after getting boards, and his 970 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,559 fate with Karl Anthony Towns is basically seamless. So I totally get it. 971 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,840 I have them as a hold just because I don't think they're good. I 972 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,000 understand there's urgency and they've been running in place for so long. See where 973 01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,360 you're at in the off season, after where your draft pick conveys. Demzel 974 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:59,280 Russell will be on expiring contract at that point, Lee Beasley's deal will have 975 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,440 one year check off of it too, and he hasn't been great this season. 976 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,800 You don't lose any assets for them by waiting zero. You still have 977 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,199 Jay McDaniels, still have Jared Vanderbilt, and like you said, the Ben 978 01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:13,559 Simmons scenario is so overwhelmingly unlikely without a third or fourth team and just the 979 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:16,639 amount of picks and assets it would take to get him, and just the 980 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,440 other thing, you're probably giving up Daniel Russell in that trade. No like 981 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,599 are you're getting away with just including Malik Beasley salary direct and then all the 982 01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:30,079 picks and swaps possible and whether they end up with the Sixers or other teams 983 01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:34,400 whatever. That just doesn't And I do think not that you wouldn't trade Daniel 984 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,599 Russell for Ben Simmons, but that does trade the context of your team and 985 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,800 all these basketball you mentioned the Ben Taylor video. I talked to a college 986 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,880 coach who mentioned Daniel Russell's the defensive communication This year, tim Erwolves fans and 987 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,719 media have been singing his praise as a bunch, it'd be an adjustment to 988 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,039 make mid season, and I just don't know that there's the player out there, 989 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:57,000 including Ben Simmons, insofar as he's even getable, the actually does anything 990 01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,440 to noticeably increase your ceiling this season. I think You're next deal needs to 991 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,920 be a bigger swing, and maybe that's more accessible over the offseason. Also, 992 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,880 maybe I'm just trying to make a more make a podcast with more variety 993 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,280 by saying hold, since we've been in so many buys. Really though, 994 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,199 I just think this is a team that still sort of needs to go through 995 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,400 another stretch of self discovery to understand what they actually have. And then let's 996 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,519 reevaluate the trade market because look realisticing, who's the best player you're even getting 997 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,320 at this year's trade deadline for the Timberwolves. If it's Harrison Barnes, he 998 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,519 does a lot more for the Memphis Grizzlies then he does for the Minnesota Timberwolves 999 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:39,119 in terms of elevating their immediate feeling. Yeah, I agree. I think 1000 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,440 I think the hold makes total sense, and which like that's probably what they'll 1001 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,559 do just because of the tax concerns. I think New Orleans is next if 1002 01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,159 you're ready to jump to them, and I want you to go first because 1003 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:55,320 I'm very curious about what you're gonna say. So I don't count the players 1004 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,559 that they should move as they would actually be selling. So I also have 1005 01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:03,000 them as a whold if there's an opportunity to buy, because you're able to 1006 01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:11,440 use Thomas Satoranski's ten million dollars expiring salary to get someone back New Orleans also 1007 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:15,960 has that seventeen point one million dollars Steven Adams trade exception. If you can 1008 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,440 be opportunistic along those lines, and I've seen reports that they want to be 1009 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:25,000 buyers in the deadline. There's a subsection of Pelicans Twitter that seems like they'd 1010 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,639 be very interested in ce J McCullum. I'm not making any big time decisions 1011 01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,360 without seeing Zion Williamson play again for this team. And I'm not hinting at 1012 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,039 the fact that maybe he'll try and force his way out over the summer. 1013 01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:38,639 I'm honestly not getting into that. He needs to actually play, as in 1014 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,840 be healthy, and I just don't, you know, And I don't see 1015 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,960 the value in buying because of that. But I also don't see the value 1016 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,960 in selling. Why would you give up on brandon Ingram right now? I 1017 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,320 don't think his deal is bad. You can move him at thirty one point 1018 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,840 seven million next year if you have to. Jonas Valcunis has been good for 1019 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,000 you in that deal at fourteen point seven I mean, he's basically two years 1020 01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,519 and thirty million. I don't know if i'd call it a steal, but 1021 01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:01,679 it's going to be fine On that extension. Josh Hart has turned one of 1022 01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,360 the best contracts in the summer. I still don't know. Is it he's 1023 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,840 signed by Clutch, right he should fire Clutch? How did he only get 1024 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:12,079 one guaranteed season on the market. That's just another instance of Clutch like maybe 1025 01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,599 compromising their other guys. Look, if I'm tailed Horton Tucker, Like, 1026 01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:16,920 yeah, maybe he got paid, but did you really just have me resigned 1027 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,679 with the Lakers to help Lebron's team have some better trade fodder? That might 1028 01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:26,559 be a question you need to have so and look I thought about like maybe 1029 01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:29,480 they need to sell off Jackson Hayes or is now the time to give up 1030 01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:31,960 on Nikki Alexander Walker? But I still believe in Nikil Alexander Walker. It's 1031 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,480 too early to give up on the Trey Murphy. Maybe you think that Naji 1032 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:39,280 Marshall is done, Like you can look at stuff like that. You're definitely 1033 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:44,079 not giving up herb Jones in terms of meaningful moves though, Like that would 1034 01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:45,880 be the I'd look at, Okay, what can we get for Jackson Hayes 1035 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,280 or Mikky Alexander Walker And is it a first round pick? And if it's 1036 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:54,280 not by, So I have them as hold just because I need to understand 1037 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,840 what this team is more with Zion, and I think they've stumbled into some 1038 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,519 pieces that will work really well with him and including Jonas Valanciunas. Looking at 1039 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:08,239 the season Josh Hart is having, I mean Herbert Jones. Just think about 1040 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,559 lineups where if you really want to downsize and a Zion and Herbert Jones is 1041 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,199 your front court. That dude, his position list, he has one of 1042 01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:17,119 the b Ball Index does matchup difficulty metrics. He has like one of the 1043 01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:23,239 five most difficult defensive workloads in the league this season, and he's just holding 1044 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,280 up. Not only would he be I think he'd be my first team All 1045 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,639 Rookie this season. I'm going to mention his name if and when I do 1046 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,599 all defense picks. So I'm in very I'm actually pretty firm about them holding. 1047 01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,679 Anyone in the league can be an opportunistic buyer. Let me make that 1048 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,719 clear. Like I'm not going out there saying yeah, we need to go 1049 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,440 out and get like CJ. McCollum or Harrison Barnes, Like, no, 1050 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,480 you need to understand what's going on with Zion, what the team looks like, 1051 01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,440 should he play, or you just wait until the off season, where 1052 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,159 if he doesn't play, then you at least know what you're dealing with looking 1053 01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:59,719 at that Zion trajectory. So we agree about almost everything. The only thing 1054 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,320 that's why I wanted you to go first because I was curious what you'd say 1055 01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:08,559 with regard to where Zion fits in. So my thought is you just I 1056 01:08:08,719 --> 01:08:12,519 think New Orleans almost has to act as if he's going to be fine, 1057 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,239 which, like I've said several times, is super unlikely to me, Like, 1058 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,680 I just don't see a great ending for this, but I think this 1059 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,199 is an opportunity for them to just build the roster as if he's gonna be 1060 01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,359 back tomorrow, and like what would that need to look like? And it's 1061 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,760 really just shooting basically, and you feel, you know, it'd be nice 1062 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,960 if Jones, I think, is someone you absolutely hold on to for all 1063 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,039 the reasons you mentioned, Like he might just be p percent on threes over 1064 01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:45,159 his last ten games. He's just like a total I mean windfall to get 1065 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:48,680 a guy like that at that spot. So but so I you mentioned McCollum, 1066 01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:54,399 I think I'm putting in a call for ninety million dollars Garrison, Matthews, 1067 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,760 the real deal. I'm I want to see if I can get Duncan 1068 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,680 Robinson, hopefully for cheap, since he's had such a down year by his 1069 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,359 standards. I'm calling on Buddy Healed, which like bring him back whatever you 1070 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,680 spend half the season there. What about Norman Powell? Sure Like, I 1071 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,439 just I want shooting. I want shooting, and I'm willing to use my 1072 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,960 trade exception. I'm willing to use all those picks. And plus they basically 1073 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,479 own the Lakers and Bucks drafts through like twenty twenty seven, so they got 1074 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:28,119 that too. I just think there's there's opportunities to get one off. One 1075 01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,880 of the things that's actually potentially available is shooting right now, like, which 1076 01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:34,479 that's crazy, and the Pelicans are going to need more of it than anyone. 1077 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,600 If if the whole point Zion just you know, running into the lane 1078 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,560 and drawing all five defenders. Thing is going to be how you play in 1079 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,479 the best iteration of this team, the ideal iteration. I think it's super 1080 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,760 risky. It could backfire, but if Zion is not healthy or demands to 1081 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:59,159 leave or whatever, it backfires anyway. So like you're you're kind of I 1082 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,680 view it as are screwed if he if he isn't what you need him to 1083 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:08,079 be, so you might as well just hope he's going to be what you 1084 01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,640 want and you build the team accordingly. And I think they have the assets 1085 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,880 to do it, so I would call I would call them a buyer, 1086 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,079 but specifically just of shooting and you cross your fingers. They should. I 1087 01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:23,039 know that their trade exception expires basically when the moratorium ends and free agency, 1088 01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:25,239 so they have time to use it or the off season that they want, 1089 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,479 but they should try to be using that in some form, even if it 1090 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,800 would count as selling. Because if you take on money and they're they're twenty 1091 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,920 one million dollars more than twenty one million dollars away from the tax right now, 1092 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,560 so you could get like if someone's wanting to give you a first round 1093 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,600 pick to dump somebody, or I guess I didn't give enough consideration too. 1094 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,119 I don't know. I don't think Miami would do this. But if you're 1095 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:47,119 just sending them like a pick and they're sending you Duncan Robinson to just like 1096 01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:50,039 give them so much big over munt of the tax, you could definitely look 1097 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:54,000 at something along those lines. I do like the idea of a Norman Powell 1098 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,199 there. Who are the other name Duncan Robinson. I would like if he's 1099 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:00,319 getable. I just don't know, like what assets you have to give up 1100 01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:01,760 to get those players? As my point, like, that's where it gets. 1101 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,560 I don't want to give up those types of assets, which is why 1102 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,600 I'm going to put the onus on you. Who's the player most likely to 1103 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,319 be traded in your mind? I think it's just Saturansky. He's been so 1104 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,000 bad for most of this year and he's expiring, and that ten million dollars 1105 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:21,920 figure is kind of nice, so and like he's just not integral to whether 1106 01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:26,680 you want to approach their outlook like I do or like you do. I 1107 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,479 don't think Saturansky figures prominently into it, like no matter what. So just 1108 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,640 his expendability I think makes it makes him. I'm trying to think if there's 1109 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,920 anyone else I would consider. If you're planning on Zion coming back this year, 1110 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,279 why not Jackson Hayes. I know he's been better. This is not 1111 01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:45,000 like the beginning of the season when everyone was completely out on him. But 1112 01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:49,720 you have Willie Hernon Gomez essentially still. I mean, well, Hearna Gomez, 1113 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,039 we know what's going on hearing Gomez obviously, but like, are you 1114 01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:57,760 so in on Jackson Hayes that he's extension ledgible this summer? Isn't it time 1115 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,920 to sort of see like, no, you're not. I guess maybe because 1116 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,119 you know you're not going to get a first round pick for his services, 1117 01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:08,239 that you don't move him. I land on tamas Uturansky too, just because 1118 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,439 he's the most logical choice, is it you could take back a contract that's 1119 01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,239 longer maybe a team doesn't want, or just a more expensive player to help 1120 01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:18,159 a team duct the tax. But if you believe that, and like your 1121 01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:23,680 big man availability has been so all over the place of late, so I 1122 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,680 get it. But like, I think that would be the name that if 1123 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,560 you were actually shopping it as a name to move, Jackson Hayes would be 1124 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,199 the one that I'm most aggressively throwing out there. Yeah, that's a good 1125 01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,279 one too, because you're right, like he's your third center at best. 1126 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,399 You know, really, if you're you know, when you once, you're 1127 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,560 once your whole And that's not even considering like Zion's going to play there some 1128 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:50,000 and you could use you could use herb Jones potentially in some weird small ball 1129 01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:54,000 looks at five two. So yeah, Jackson Hayes is not. It is 1130 01:12:54,079 --> 01:13:00,640 also expendable for sure. That brings us to the Oklahoma City Thunder buy seller 1131 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,359 hold. Like I don't even know what to call it, because I get 1132 01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:08,880 I guess they're sellers, but like it's because they're just buying more picks or 1133 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,119 whatever. I mean, so just a couple of things. I mean, 1134 01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,439 they've got by my account, thirty five million dollars in cap room, not 1135 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,119 the tax. They're thirty five million under the cap. They're not at the 1136 01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:24,880 salary floor. So they as always are. Just like if you want, 1137 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,000 if you got anything, you want to just dump it here with the first 1138 01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:32,079 attached, well we can do that. They also, I think, I 1139 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:35,560 guess the reason I call them sellers is because you know, like Derrick Favors 1140 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,199 you've already mentioned, Kenrick Williams, Mike Muscala, I think would draw some 1141 01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:42,319 interest. I don't think any of them are going to get you a first. 1142 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,520 Lou Dort maybe, but I feel like he's worth keeping around just because. 1143 01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,399 But if you're like if the sixers are trying to dump Tobias Harris, 1144 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,640 like as part of this grand plan they have and it doesn't include Ben Simmons 1145 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,840 somehow, like you got. I guess that makes the Thunder a buyer because 1146 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,119 they're buying Harris. But I don't know. I call them sellers. But 1147 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:11,079 it's just the thing is the same for them. They're just they've got cap 1148 01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:14,159 space, They've got a lot of picks, they can get more. They 1149 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,840 have a handful of guys they could trade for a draft whatever, or take 1150 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,680 back bad money. It's it's all just kind of it's kind of all the 1151 01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,359 same for them, unless do you see something different for them? No, 1152 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,239 I just I don't think that they have like stuff to sell. Is where 1153 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:31,840 this sort of Derrick Favors is not a hot commodity. No, And so 1154 01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:35,640 it would be Kendrick Williams. That's only one name, and he's so cheap 1155 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,399 next season. I don't know why you need to actively sell him. You 1156 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,720 have so many picks, even if you get a low end first, what 1157 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,239 is that doing for you? I do think, like you said, the 1158 01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:48,279 Pelicans could need shooting. They definitely need shooting. I don't know if it's 1159 01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:51,960 to the extent that they could take on a shooter who's making too much money. 1160 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,000 But like I wouldn't be trading assets either. I'm just going with hold 1161 01:14:56,399 --> 01:15:00,359 for them because they don't leasing out cap space doesn't even count as selling just 1162 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,640 because they're so far under the not not just the tax, just the salary 1163 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,479 floor, the captain general. So I'm curious if they're there are teams that 1164 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,199 need to duck the tax by like a little bit when you look at Boston 1165 01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:13,920 or when you look at Portland, but like they could really help. I'm 1166 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,199 trying to think of like what the team would be. They could help a 1167 01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:19,920 team substantiously cut their tax bill or get off of a truly bad contract, 1168 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,039 Like if the Knicks just decided to, hey, like we need to end 1169 01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:28,560 the Evan Fournier experiment or more preferably the Julius Randall experiment. How many first 1170 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,680 can you get for something like that? But I just don't think I see 1171 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,640 that team out there, and so and like, if I'm with you, 1172 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:39,600 I would keep Blue dort Uh, Like I just don't. Maybe you look 1173 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,439 at what you could get for Darius Baisley, but he's defended so well this 1174 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,760 year, And I know a lot of people were like lower on him, 1175 01:15:45,159 --> 01:15:49,640 So I think I'm a hold for Okay, see just because I don't there's 1176 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,199 no reason for them to sell. You have all the picks in the world. 1177 01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:56,319 Yeah, it's weird, like they I don't know what they're gonna do 1178 01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:59,840 with all this space. I guess it's good news because all that's gonna get 1179 01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:01,920 distributed to the players on the roster. They're gonna get pay raises if they 1180 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,119 don't hit the floor, so that'll be that'll be good for them. But 1181 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:09,199 I don't know what their plan is. I'm assuming they're going to hit like 1182 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:12,800 normally we see teams just hit the floor anyway. So are they gonna, 1183 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,560 like give Gary Harris an actual contract after he gets brought out. I don't. 1184 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,880 It's almost like it's almost a shame there's not more really bad contracts left 1185 01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:25,840 in the league because like the thunder have helped get rid of some of those. 1186 01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:30,359 But they would just be like if the old Blake Griffin contract, or 1187 01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,520 if like Kevin Love weren't having a resurgent season like they would be and the 1188 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,159 Cabs weren't good, Like there are so many other opportunities in a normal trade 1189 01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:41,399 deadline situation for them to just be like, yeah, man, we'll take 1190 01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,199 your your guy with one hundred million left and just give us a couple of 1191 01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:47,680 picks, Like if we got the room. You know, that's that's just 1192 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,079 not not how it's set up this year. That would make them exminentially interesting 1193 01:16:51,119 --> 01:16:55,319 though, so that they have that extra roster spot to use, And if 1194 01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:57,520 there's a team willing to dumb money, I just I don't really know what 1195 01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,760 that team is. And even I mentioned the bad deals on the Knicks, 1196 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,439 I don't think they would do that. But they're so far beneath the tax 1197 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,479 there's not going to be an urgency to trade anyone who's expensive at the moment. 1198 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:11,399 Ye. Moving on to the Phoenix Suns, this is low hanging for 1199 01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,800 a five sellar hold. I mean they're a buyer just because they're so good. 1200 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,439 You could say hold if you wanted to. I guess, but you 1201 01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,680 know they're their needs have been the same, like a small ball center would 1202 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,560 be great. Like but maybe Dad Young gets bought out. Have we've not 1203 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,960 mentioned that Young yet? I feel like that's a he's he's he's usually in 1204 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:33,520 this conversation. More. He may get bought out, but I'd be looking 1205 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:39,720 at him like maybe you package Sarich and Jalen Smith and a pick for I 1206 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,119 don't know, some some kind of upgrade. I think Robert Covington's kind of 1207 01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:48,800 a sneaky interesting fit there, because I think you could basically flip Sarich for 1208 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:53,720 Covington almost straight up. And I think you save Portland like a little bit, 1209 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,680 which they'd be interested in because of the tax implications. It's all small 1210 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,760 stuff. They're they're the Sons are the best team in the league right now, 1211 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:06,479 at least record wise, and they don't really need to do anything but 1212 01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,279 like just the little small ball five stuff or if you can just you can 1213 01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:15,199 always get one more you know, three four type guy that would be good 1214 01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,920 in case Crowder is you know, diminished or not healthy. That's that's That's 1215 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,119 about it, though, I mean, there's not a lot to be done 1216 01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:25,399 with the Suns. I still think they their backup center position seems like it's 1217 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:30,000 better now just having Bimbo JaVale McGee. There's the Frank Kimmitsky option, and 1218 01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,640 then Deandret will be healthy at some point. They are. I think my 1219 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,720 favorite Eric Gordon destination put the pressure he puts on the basket, and then 1220 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:41,279 I think you can also get away with playing him Chris Paul and Devin Booker 1221 01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:45,640 at the same time and you'll you'll be totally fine. Just imagining them having 1222 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,319 Eric Gordon in the series against the Bucks last year, Like in my mind, 1223 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,279 knowing what they struggled with the most, I feel like he would make 1224 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,359 a huge difference. And so they can't trade a first round pick in two 1225 01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:58,680 twenty and twenty four and it takes a little bit for them to match salary. 1226 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,840 There would be a lot of mechanisms. They probably needed an additional team 1227 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,760 involved, but they could do it. And if you're giving up a twenty 1228 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:09,159 twenty four pick, if I'm Houston, I'm probably taking that for for Eric 1229 01:19:09,239 --> 01:19:15,039 Gordon and they're decided the buyers. I'm just curious to see how aggressive they 1230 01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:18,079 are, and to me, they should be ultra aggressive. Like you said, 1231 01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:21,239 they have the best record in the league, and I would I have. 1232 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,119 They are my title picks this season, they were my preseason title picks 1233 01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:28,199 that I haven't seen anything that would change that for me. But they do 1234 01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:30,680 still have you know, even if you like the backup center rotation better, 1235 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,000 they do still have like holes they can plug. I even think They're probably 1236 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,119 the team that could use where I think Kendrick Williams would make the biggest difference. 1237 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,439 And I don't know, did we say, okay, see's most player 1238 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,760 most likely to be traded? You said Derek Favors. I might say Kendrick 1239 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,600 Williams just because he's so cheap and teams actually want him. That might be 1240 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,279 Oh, yeah, I would I would agree with I would agree with Williams. 1241 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,560 He makes sense on a lot of teams favors. The list is a 1242 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:58,079 lot a lot shorter. Yeah, so I Phoenix is clearly buyers. I 1243 01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,000 am curious to see do they try and play the buyout market game instead, 1244 01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:03,479 Like if Paul millsapp gets brought out from Brooklyn but you really don't need your 1245 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:09,159 backup five help anymore. Would they be a Gary Harris destination. I think 1246 01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:13,359 he probably choose Denver over Phoenix. Just looking at potential playing time, I 1247 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,399 think they need to do something to really fortify their title chances. They could 1248 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,319 do nothing and still be a contender. I just when you look at some 1249 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,840 buyers where I don't know if there is a buyer that' say doesn't really need 1250 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,119 to be aggressive at the deadline. I just don't them having the best record 1251 01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,800 in the league doesn't make me think that they can kind of approach this trade 1252 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,720 deadline without like real purpose. I do think that they need to be aggressive. 1253 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:40,159 Yeah, I agree. I just you know, it's it's a combination 1254 01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:43,720 of aggression and just like I mean, Eric Gordon would feel like a pretty 1255 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:48,520 aggressive move to me. But but you know, we're is that going to 1256 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,680 be is that enough? Is that going to beat the market for I guess 1257 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:56,039 if there's a first, there's no guarantee anyone else's offering a first for Gordon. 1258 01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:00,319 So the other thing that but you mentioned the buyout market. That's the 1259 01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:04,760 thing about being in this position is you're like, you know, when a 1260 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,520 guy gets bought out, and let's just use that it's young as the example. 1261 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,399 You know, it's not like the Suns and name you the Thunder are 1262 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,439 like equal competitors for services, right Like there's like a handful there's like gonna 1263 01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:25,399 be like five teams that will start seeing when Bioseason hits, it'll be well 1264 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:30,520 the Nets and the Suns and the Jazz and whoever has a roster spot that's 1265 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,279 really good, like that'll be it. And and so it's harder. I 1266 01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:39,880 think sometimes Now Gordon and Young are different players, and you might need to 1267 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,800 be aggressive in a trade to get one type versus the other. But like 1268 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,119 you got to balance the urgency and the need for aggression against like we might 1269 01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:53,399 just get this guy for cash, Like there there are's a possibility we upgrade 1270 01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:58,479 in the ways that are necessary without trading anything, without compromising our draft future, 1271 01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,239 without giving up on Jalen Smith, although they sort of already did that 1272 01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:04,560 by not picking up his option, So that's another concern. That's I mean, 1273 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:10,079 they're not a whole team. I'm not saying that, but I wonder 1274 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:15,199 how aggressive they feel like they need to be for that reason. That's a 1275 01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:18,279 great point. Portland is up next. Oh, most likely player to be 1276 01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:20,880 traded off? I think it has to be Jonn Smith. They obliterated his 1277 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:26,359 trade value by not picking up his option. But at this point, if 1278 01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:29,560 you're like, they should probably even wave him if they're not going to move 1279 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,640 him, because yeah, he's shown flashes, But is he gonna help here 1280 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,960 now that you have Bimbo in the fold? Is he gonna help your back 1281 01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:39,479 up big rotation in the playoffs? Yeah? But I think I think it's 1282 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,800 Sorr. It's just because that's kind of the best way for you to get 1283 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,840 the salary accumulated that you'd need to do anything and he and he will not 1284 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,800 help you this year. I guess if you get okay, see involved Vandrey 1285 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,960 Shammitt isn't as big of an issue on the poison bill. I didn't even 1286 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,119 think about him. That's a good one too. Yeah, but they don't 1287 01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:04,239 care if give us all the poison Portland buy sell or hold. That's a 1288 01:23:04,319 --> 01:23:09,199 seller to me, and we talked about it. We've mentioned them several times 1289 01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:13,439 as a team that's close enough to the tax line and oh there, and 1290 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:18,279 they're they'll they'll be they need to get under the tax because they're gonna yeah, 1291 01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:23,079 they're three million, and getting under was gonna will reset the repeater clock. 1292 01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,520 And if they don't get under, they're going to be in repeater territory. 1293 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:30,439 And that's that's bad news bearers. So that that's one incentive. The 1294 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,760 other one obviously, Nurkitch and Covington are expiring. I think Portland's gonna basically 1295 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:42,800 be at the cap next year already without those two guys. So like you're 1296 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,359 already and again you're just gonna what are you willing to spend on this team? 1297 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,840 Damon Lillard out probably for the possibly I don't know if it's possible or 1298 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,640 probable anymore. For the year, there's a good chance, and if they 1299 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:56,680 become sellers, that ratchets up the chances that he will stay out for the 1300 01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:03,039 year. So I think, like at this point, you've got Aunt Simons 1301 01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:05,520 that you need to figure out what you're gonna do with in terms of, 1302 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,880 like what are we going to pay him? Because it seems like he's kind 1303 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,760 of ready to be you know, your your next wave guy. You've got 1304 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,079 little who I think is a keeper, but like almost everybody else, I 1305 01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:23,199 think should be on the table. And like unless you're convinced that Dame and 1306 01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:29,319 like your rebuild, your rebuilt support pieces whatever that looks like, which you 1307 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,520 have to acquire with all these tax concerns like looming over, you are going 1308 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,000 to contend next year the year after, like you know, it's time I 1309 01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:42,479 think to just pull the record. So I think they're sellers for like every 1310 01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,119 reason I can think of. I have them as both because okay, I 1311 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:49,119 think use of markets just played better lately, and the Blazers in general are 1312 01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:53,319 perking up without Damian Lillards, so they should just trade him for for cap 1313 01:24:53,359 --> 01:25:00,119 relief. But I Covington Nurkic look at moving them, but there seems to 1314 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:03,960 be this understanding that Damian Lillard isn't going anywhere there until he asks, you're 1315 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,239 out. And so if the plan is to continue trying to win with Dame, 1316 01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:14,159 you need to buy. And I like Miles Turner there, and I 1317 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:17,279 like him even more now that maybe he doesn't play again this season because the 1318 01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:21,439 tank is then still on. You keep your pick that's owed to Chicago. 1319 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:27,279 It's a lottery protected and then you reboot next year with Miles Turner as the 1320 01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:30,880 centerpiece of your defense. And he's a player more so than Roco or Larry 1321 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,600 Nance Jr. And I liked both of those trades at the time that they 1322 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,039 were made, and I still Larry Nance Junior's still when he saw he's really 1323 01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:41,600 good. Miles Turner can actually sort of shape your defense and the other two 1324 01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,399 players aren't going to do that. So if you can get Miles Turner, 1325 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,000 or if you just get players that are going to help you next year with 1326 01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:51,000 Dame, you're still obligated to do that. But you also do have to 1327 01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:56,960 sell because Nurkicch and coving Tender entering free agency, and also the Anthony Simon's 1328 01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,840 deal. You've already paid McCullum Lillard and how many dudes under six six five 1329 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:05,359 are you to pay? Well, that's the thing. I know it's rhetorical, 1330 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,079 but I think like it's starting to look like Simons makes sense as like 1331 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,359 the other one you know of that group, So you might like McCallum and 1332 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960 I'm doing the thumb over my shoulder. This is also great podcasting. As 1333 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:23,960 they get out of here, the YouTube perfect McCallum and Powell. Oh that 1334 01:26:24,039 --> 01:26:26,920 means they can see my my dog picture up above that I'm pointing to. 1335 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:32,199 You know, if this gets a clipped, I think, uh, I 1336 01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,159 think that you made me think of something with with respect like they owe it 1337 01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:40,279 to a Lillard or you didn't praise it that way. But the idea is, 1338 01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:42,199 if you think you're going to contend with LILLARDG you need to be a 1339 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:45,920 buyer. I guess I'm increasingly convinced that like that's not going to happen, 1340 01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:53,680 So I mean, I'm less optimistic that that's possible, just because I think 1341 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,199 I saw the other day that since they made that conference finals in twenty nineteen, 1342 01:26:57,239 --> 01:27:00,199 they're basically a five hundred team. I mean, every team has their 1343 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:03,119 issues, their injuries, they're you know whatever. But there's not a lot 1344 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:11,640 of evidence to suggest that Lillard going forward is like a transformational you know, 1345 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,159 the guy that you build around, which sucks, but like it happens to 1346 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:20,439 everybody, it just doesn't last forever. And and so with that as like 1347 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:26,359 not a certainty, but as a consideration along with all the other stuff. 1348 01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:29,079 That's why I'm a little more convinced that they should be sellers, but for 1349 01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:33,880 sure. Like the other thing is that I don't think it's clear yet if 1350 01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:38,479 if who who's going to be making decisions? Right, I think Joe Cronin 1351 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,439 took over, I don't know if he's lost the interim tag. It's possible 1352 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,920 that if it's not him, or if he gets some job security and like 1353 01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,800 is there for sure as the head decision maker, he might be more willing 1354 01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,960 to move Lillard, whether he asks out or not, because I think just 1355 01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:58,159 as a member of the old regime, it's a lot hard. It's very 1356 01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,279 difficult to be the guy that says Dame's gotta go. Or if you we're 1357 01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:04,479 gonna, we're gonna decide and he's not that that's a tough. Look. 1358 01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:11,039 So that's that gives you some some juice as a as a buyer for sure, 1359 01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:13,600 if like, if he's going to be in charge, that's tough. 1360 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,520 But so, yeah, that's interesting. I'm surprised. I thought we would 1361 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,439 agree they were for sure sellers. But but you're making me, you're making 1362 01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,399 me reconsider a little bit, but not enough to change my mind. Yes, 1363 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,359 would be they'll never be genuine contenders with Lillard, and that they missed 1364 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,359 their window. And it was with Neil Shay he went with the medium size 1365 01:28:31,359 --> 01:28:36,119 swings rather than making the bigger swings. Where how'd you sort of spilled all 1366 01:28:36,119 --> 01:28:40,880 the assets that you gave up for Norman Powell, Larry Nanton, Roco into 1367 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,840 one You could have rolled the dice on higher end players that have become available. 1368 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,920 I also think he probably should have. I don't think there's anything inherently 1369 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,840 wrong with this SISI mcclum Damian Lillard back court, but if you really couldn't 1370 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,920 acquire that third guy to go with them, then yes, you should have 1371 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,239 traded Cjim McCollum already. It's so it's not as you've that not working, 1372 01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,520 it's it couldn't work, and it context if you getting the players that you 1373 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,279 needed. So I would agree with you that I don't think they're ever going 1374 01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:09,680 to be that legit title contender. I shouldn't say never, but the pathway 1375 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:14,720 there is exceedingly harder because of what they kind of burned in those medium size 1376 01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,920 moves that are Now you know Nurkicch might leave, Roco might leave. You 1377 01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:23,319 still have lary Nance Junr. Now you're gonna be boxed into paying Simon's industry. 1378 01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,960 I mean, there's not a ton of cap space, but guys who 1379 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,720 are good tend to get paid anyway. So I agree that it's hard, 1380 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,079 but if if I don't think they owe it to Lillard. I record a 1381 01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:36,279 Blazer's podcast with a friend of the pod Tower, Boone Biggs a couple months 1382 01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:40,520 ago where I said I actually would just I would blow it all up. 1383 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,079 And if you still want to keep Loward just trying to rebuild a round Lillard, 1384 01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:46,520 then and that would be fine with me. I still really like Norman 1385 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,720 Powell. I think he I would do. Look, I would do some 1386 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,680 pretty dirty things if I'm an opposing team and trying to get Norman Powell like 1387 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:59,399 that is he is really good. But if you believe that Damian Lillard, 1388 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,600 if if you're of the money, you're not moving Namian Lillard until Damian a 1389 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,319 little asks are out and you don't think that's happening before next season, you 1390 01:30:05,399 --> 01:30:10,079 need to act as if you're trying to compete then, and that would opplicate 1391 01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:13,640 you to be buyers, not to the point where you're dealing picks in twenty 1392 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,000 twenty seven. You're not the Lakers, but you would be obligated to at 1393 01:30:18,039 --> 01:30:21,119 least the opportunistic buying. You also do have to sell, though, because 1394 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,279 you're not paying all of your soon to be free agents, and so it's 1395 01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:30,319 time to look at what you could get for them. Yeah, the Sacramento 1396 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:39,079 Kings, well, my answer to them is just do fucking something. They 1397 01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:45,199 are effeckless, purposeless shit stain of an organization at the top where they just 1398 01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:53,359 can't commit or even chisel out a direction like they are their whole. Their 1399 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,840 entire existence seemed to be framed around we can't rebuild because our fan base is 1400 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,399 waited too long to make the playoffs, and you don't even contend for fucking 1401 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,000 play in appearance anymore. And that's like news flash, you're not hanging a 1402 01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:08,239 banner because you were one of the top ten teams in the West. If 1403 01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:11,119 that's how it ends up panning out for you. And so I didn't mean 1404 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:14,880 to steal this segment by going first. But if you're the Kings, you 1405 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,199 want to buy, go ahead and fucking buy. And now I'm cursing. 1406 01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:21,119 I'm getting all work whenever it's the Kings, actually buy, Like none of 1407 01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:25,520 these just middle rung moves. You want Ben Simmons, make the trade for 1408 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,279 Ben Simmons, and whether you consider that a rebuild or a win now play 1409 01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:30,920 what I don't, I don't, can't just do it if you want to 1410 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:31,880 sell. Yeah, you know what, that probably should have been done, 1411 01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:35,680 buddy healed Harrison Barnes. No one on this roster, aside from Kyrie's Halibert, 1412 01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,840 should actually be untouchable. I say that as a Daron Fox believer, 1413 01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:44,479 I would absolutely see whether it's to buy or to start over, what Daron 1414 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,680 Fox is getting me on the trade market. I'm probably keeping Rashaun Holmes because 1415 01:31:47,159 --> 01:31:50,680 that floater is sexy, but also just his contract is. I still think 1416 01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,800 it's criminal that he didn't get more money in free agency. So there are 1417 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,000 players that you could say are off limits. If you want to keep Fox, 1418 01:31:58,119 --> 01:32:03,159 fine, do something sub angel, something that implies you not even understand 1419 01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:09,319 what you're doing, but understand the gravity of the situation you're in. And 1420 01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:15,199 that's you exist in the land of nothingness, obscurity or well, you're not 1421 01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:19,520 even bad enough to be actually bad. You're just bad enough to suck in 1422 01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:26,319 the worst, least beneficial way possible. And it's it's time to fix that. 1423 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:30,239 And I don't care again they can. I'm gonna say it's not both 1424 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,079 either or or No, they can't. Just don't hold it's buy or sell. 1425 01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:40,399 I don't care do something anything like for the first time ever. Sorry, 1426 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,439 that's just like the Kings are. So they ordered to the leadership of 1427 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,159 the Kings, and it starts with the fact Ron adeve it's so fucking incompetent. 1428 01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:53,399 I feel genuinely bad for their fan base. They just deserve so much 1429 01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,840 better. They deserve a team that cares enough to want to top out as 1430 01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,079 more than the ten seed in the West. And that's the vibe you get 1431 01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:03,199 when you see like, and there are good players on this roster. I 1432 01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:06,479 don't you know. Keeping Harrison Barnes was smart. Harrison barn is a good 1433 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,600 player. Keeping Rashaun Holmes was smart. But like, you haven't done anything 1434 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,960 to you know, there are complaints about the way the arreon Fox started. 1435 01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,560 Did I say, Daron Fox? Maybe he does STU for him, Daron 1436 01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:21,199 Fox out of the season, But like, what have you done to really 1437 01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:25,920 improve the environment and talent around him? Oh, because you have like a 1438 01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:30,680 league average or slightly better top five of the roster. Congratulations, there's still 1439 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,199 like seven other five to seven other slots and a regular season rotation that you 1440 01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:38,560 need to fill. Oh, and hey, it's probably important to have actual 1441 01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:48,000 wings. So I can't disagree. I would say that to the list, 1442 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:54,520 which is very long of criticisms, you can lay at the feet of ownership, 1443 01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:59,079 because that's the constant that that is the constant. The coach has changed, 1444 01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:02,279 the executive's change, the players change. It has been ownership. The 1445 01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:08,920 other criticism you can lay at in addition to just being capricious, wanting the 1446 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:14,760 wrong things in patience, poor talent, evaluation, x X y Z, 1447 01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:18,039 just whatever you want to say, you also have to add the failure to 1448 01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:25,199 read the room, because this idea that Kings fans are we just want to 1449 01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:28,199 make the playoffs, like we just we super care about the plan, which 1450 01:34:28,279 --> 01:34:34,760 is what ownership reportedly prioritizes, Like that is a priority. I have a 1451 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,479 lot. This is this is such a bad way to make an argument, 1452 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:43,520 but just anecdotally, the friends of mine that live in in the area with 1453 01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:48,399 I'm forty minutes from Golden One, like right now, Kings fans for their 1454 01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:53,479 whole life basically are saying what you're saying. Like so when I say what 1455 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,920 do you want to do at the deadline, they'll just say something but don't 1456 01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,760 care. If it's Ben Simmons, great, if it costs us f awesome, 1457 01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:04,119 Haliburton would like to keep him, but honestly, don't care, Like 1458 01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:08,359 this just has to change. They don't care about the playoffs. They don't 1459 01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:12,000 care about they damn sure don't care about the play in because congratulations, if 1460 01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:15,239 everything breaks right, you get swept in the first round. So that is 1461 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,720 I don't I don't think and maybe we'll have people tell me I'm wrong. 1462 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:25,319 I really don't think that the Kings fans like as a as a collective give 1463 01:35:25,359 --> 01:35:30,039 a shit about the playoffs or about like let's be respectable this year. And 1464 01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:32,800 if any like if any fan base has patience, it's this one. So 1465 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,239 if you're gonna do a real rebuild, they can take it because at least 1466 01:35:36,279 --> 01:35:40,640 they'll be a purpose the problem. And like there, you just can't talk 1467 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:45,000 about the Kings without mentioning this, Like you can't gauge how like dear and 1468 01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:47,960 Fox. I was going to ask you if the Sixers come to you and 1469 01:35:48,079 --> 01:35:53,279 say Simmons for Fox straight up, like whether you do it or not, 1470 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,800 it raises the bigger question of like who's better? I don't know, And 1471 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,199 the reason I don't know it is because Dearn Fox has played his whole career 1472 01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:05,560 in Sacramento for fifty seven coaches, for suboptimal supporting casts. It's just like 1473 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:10,600 you can't gauge talent. It's you don't know who's good in Sacramento because the 1474 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,960 environment is so bad. You can't gauge the quality of a coach. You 1475 01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,319 just you don't know what because there's this culture of losing and ownership changes its 1476 01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:21,920 mind every thirty seconds, but nothing's working right, so you have to just 1477 01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:27,600 go in eyes open to this trade deadline and be prepared to fully start over. 1478 01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:32,319 So I think I'm saying they should be a seller just because you have 1479 01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,199 to trade Barnes his value. He might be, you know, in the 1480 01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:40,199 top three or four most valuable guys available at the deadline, if for no 1481 01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:43,920 other reason you trade him now, because that's just when his values high, 1482 01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:47,880 you have to trade heal. I think like it's Bagley obviously, if anyone 1483 01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,039 will give you anything for Marvin Bagley, sure know that's how this all ends, 1484 01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:59,079 is either they just offload Bagley or Tristan Thompsons. The thing that I 1485 01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:02,680 like at is this idea that like Fox and Haliburton shouldn't be on the table. 1486 01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:05,680 Where did that come from? Oh? On the table? I've they 1487 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:12,600 couldn't play together. Oh no, notions are off the walls row. Yeah 1488 01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,960 no, that's but just to me, like back at the beginning of this 1489 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,840 the Simmons stuff, I was just like, I really I was been in 1490 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,800 on Fox for a long time less so this year I'm concerned, like he's 1491 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,960 regressed in a lot of critical ways. But again he's in Sacramento, so 1492 01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:30,880 who knows what the problem is. Yeah, the reason to maybe want to 1493 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,800 play defense and then then learn about him. But this idea that like, 1494 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,439 oh, no, no, no, we're not trading Fox for Simmons. 1495 01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:41,119 Like Simmons has been an All Star multiple times, he's an All Defensive player, 1496 01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:44,920 like he's almost been Defensive Player of the Year. Fox hasn't done anything, 1497 01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:47,039 like nothing, and he's I don't know if he's even a full year 1498 01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:50,960 younger. Granted, like Simmons presents all these fit issues, but I would 1499 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,920 argue, so does a point guard who can't shoot. Like there it's this 1500 01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:58,920 idea that Fox you know, look, I guess I would say Fox this 1501 01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,239 ceiling is higher than Simmons, if only because he has shot it well enough 1502 01:38:02,279 --> 01:38:05,159 in the past and he has the tools to be like a normal good point 1503 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:11,760 guard. Mid range game this year is still above average, so there are 1504 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,600 ways for him to get there. But this idea that like, oh, 1505 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,840 we can't trade Fox, especially now that you max them out, Like the 1506 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,439 value is gone now now it's can he live up to that? It's like 1507 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,800 you're way past the point of we've got this guy with all this upside, 1508 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,079 like he's a superstar money now, so he and he's not a superstar, 1509 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:33,600 so his value is down because of that. So it's a it's a cell, 1510 01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:38,479 it's a hard sell, it's trade everything you possibly can. I almost 1511 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,720 don't care. Uh, like if you get fair value for any of this 1512 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,159 stuff, like it just has to it just has to change. Like even 1513 01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:51,119 if they just exited the trade deadline with two fewer centers, sure sure they 1514 01:38:51,239 --> 01:38:56,000 understand to get down to get down to eleven. Yeah, I will say, 1515 01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,079 I think what you brought up is I've viewed Harrison Barnes is sort of 1516 01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:04,039 the harbinger for what they're willing to do because I think whether they're buying or 1517 01:39:04,119 --> 01:39:08,680 whether they're selling, he's the guy that gets moved. That changes if the 1518 01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,840 Aaron Fox is on the table. But Harrison Barnes is someone you just capitalize 1519 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,640 on his value now because he's like he needs to be on a good team 1520 01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,319 and he's probably helping your team too much if you actually want to thoroughly rebuild, 1521 01:39:17,399 --> 01:39:19,520 and his value, I would argue, has never been higher. His 1522 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,439 deal declines next season, which will be the final year of it, and 1523 01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,359 you don't want to just move someone on an expiring contract. But also if 1524 01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:29,760 you're trading for Ben Simmons, I know the framework has been mentioned like, 1525 01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,439 oh, it would be like is it Buddy Healed and Fox for Ben Simmons 1526 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:38,000 and whatever and maybe maybe twas Harris Michael Back. I think Harrison Barnes is 1527 01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:42,159 still just like the third He's probably the third best player on this team, 1528 01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:45,319 like there this season might be the second best. It's all over the There's 1529 01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:46,800 Homes, There's Haliburton, there's Fox, those those three are all in the 1530 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:51,479 mix along with Barnes or like Joscelyn's or position there. But he's my harbinger 1531 01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:56,359 because I think they can do whatever with him. Where if it's if you're 1532 01:39:56,399 --> 01:39:59,600 moving Haliburton, I think it has to be as part of a buying out 1533 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:01,399 play. It's if you're selling you don't move Tyrese Halibert. That would be 1534 01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:06,359 true. And it's like sort of like Buddy Heeled is sort of just he's 1535 01:40:06,399 --> 01:40:10,760 not as good or as valuable as Harrison Barnes is. My text messages go 1536 01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,119 off right here. It's it's Kings fans. Maybe Kings fans are hot right 1537 01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:18,279 now with you. But yeah, so I'm up for whatever they want to 1538 01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:23,479 do, as long as that actually includes doing something rather than just like remaining 1539 01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:29,239 on this treadmill of pointlessness. Strong agree. We'll be giving the Kings a 1540 01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:30,760 lot of time. Most likely player to be moved for them, though, 1541 01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,239 is it? Do you think it's Barnes. It's gotta be Barnes because exactually 1542 01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:38,840 giving me Kings too much credit. No, No, it's Barnes. It's 1543 01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,680 Barnes, like the Mark. I mean, there's nobody on this trade market 1544 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,119 bar like it's Jeremy Grant Barnes. We've mentioned both of them fifty seven times, 1545 01:40:45,159 --> 01:40:48,199 Like it's Barnes. Doesn't get trades, can't read the room. They're 1546 01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:53,399 probably going to think that they need Barnes to contend for right next season. 1547 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,960 Yeah, if everybody wants this guy, he must be good. We gotta 1548 01:40:56,079 --> 01:41:00,359 keep him. The San Antonio Spurs, who may the midseason trade already that 1549 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:05,000 happens like one's every twenty five years, so unheard of. I don't know 1550 01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:11,079 what to do with this team. My gut is so I stopped doing this. 1551 01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:14,319 But they're seventeen and thirty. Their net rating is in the negative. 1552 01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:19,640 They've got like sixteen ish million under the tax line. They so my thought 1553 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,359 is, one, can you get a first for for that young I don't 1554 01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:27,479 I'm gonna dance around calling them a buyer or seller, because I just don't 1555 01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,560 know that young is like there. I'm just saying now, he's the most 1556 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,720 likely got to be traded. If he's not, he's gonna get bought out. 1557 01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:38,920 They feel like they feel like a consolidation team to me, and I 1558 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,479 feel like we only started talking about this because the Hawks, and then we 1559 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,880 just mentioned it a little bit with the Grizzlies. But other than Murray, 1560 01:41:45,079 --> 01:41:51,159 who's had quietly like a year, so I mean not quietly if you're in 1561 01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:56,560 San Antonio, but quietly for probably most people listening to this, I think 1562 01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,319 you hold onto him no interest in trading him, but almost everybody else, 1563 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,600 probably in some order like Devin Vssell. I'd probably hang on to Primos too 1564 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,399 young to know what to do with, but like you've got to hand like 1565 01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:14,000 Kelton Johnson, Lonnie Walker, Derek white yaka Peardles getting a lot of buzz 1566 01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:17,520 as a super underrated good center now, but even him, I feel like 1567 01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:23,319 none of those guys has star upside. I know the Spurs don't typically like 1568 01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,880 try to trade for that, and there's not one available, but you could 1569 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:33,479 talk me into them basically being buyers. I guess normal circumstances if there were 1570 01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:39,239 a star player available by packaging some of those guys and some picks, but 1571 01:42:39,319 --> 01:42:44,680 I I guess it seemed like a spur to you. He's trying to get 1572 01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,239 rid of them. But like, yeah, so I don't know whether they're 1573 01:42:47,239 --> 01:42:51,319 a calling buyers or sellers. But the thing other than young, I think 1574 01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:56,119 they just got a handful of guys that have some value that don't feel like 1575 01:42:56,319 --> 01:43:00,600 cornerstones or even anything close to that to me that they could probably get some 1576 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,840 interest gend up for Yeah, I call them sellers just because I think young 1577 01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:08,680 you have to shop. They've already given up on Forbes, and I would 1578 01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:12,920 also be looking at Pertle is interesting because I don't know what he is to 1579 01:43:13,039 --> 01:43:16,199 you long term, but he's so cheap next season, and the center market 1580 01:43:16,319 --> 01:43:19,199 is always so wonky that if he's going to protect the rim this well for 1581 01:43:19,279 --> 01:43:24,359 you, like maybe Zach Collins ends up panning out. I don't think you 1582 01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:27,159 are obligated to look at him. I know Doug McDermott does nothing for your 1583 01:43:27,159 --> 01:43:30,239 tomline, but I think he's pretty important to your spacing. I'm looking at 1584 01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:32,720 actually, I want to actively shop Derek White because you still have sort of 1585 01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:38,159 this log jam at like the the one, two, three spots, and 1586 01:43:38,319 --> 01:43:41,960 the Derek White Murray fit has never been super clean. They've played together a 1587 01:43:42,039 --> 01:43:45,600 bunch this season, and he's Derek White's gotten better from when jan Da Murray's 1588 01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,840 dad was subtweeting how bad he was at the start of the season. But 1589 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:53,479 like I'm looking at because you've already paid both of those guys real money, 1590 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,840 not superstar money, but real money. I would look at moving one of 1591 01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,279 them just so you're not like getting too expensive too quickly. And I don't 1592 01:44:00,319 --> 01:44:02,680 think that they're like the perfect fifth long term. And I think there's probably 1593 01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,560 a team out there. And if I was in Land, i'd be looking 1594 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:10,479 at this like they'll give you picks plural for Derek White. And I think 1595 01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:15,319 that San Antonio is stuck in this weird middle ground. Not you know, 1596 01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:19,720 you trust them more than the Kings, but they're not bad enough to really 1597 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:25,920 get the top pick that's gonna yield them a superstar that can be the you 1598 01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:29,880 know, the just the direction of the rebuild. But they also don't have 1599 01:44:30,039 --> 01:44:32,479 the player on they're already ross on their roster already who could serve as that 1600 01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,319 player. De Jean Day Murray comes closest, but I don't know if he's 1601 01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:40,239 actually that player, and I don't it's too early. Devin was Sala has 1602 01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:43,520 more ball skills. He shot pretty well on pull up middies this year, 1603 01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,359 but it's not him. Josh Primo is way too young to say anything about. 1604 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,319 So yeah, we know they found Kawhi Leonard later in the draft. 1605 01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:56,039 They traded from YadA, YadA, YadA. But I'm I'm divesting right now 1606 01:44:56,079 --> 01:45:00,159 if I'm them, especially because like they're still just between if you I want 1607 01:45:00,199 --> 01:45:02,279 to call them swing men instead of like saying that all of them are wings. 1608 01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:06,119 But just like between Lonnie Walker hitting restricted free agency, you really shouldn't 1609 01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:09,680 pay him. He's all over the place, Lenny team won't take the take 1610 01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,199 a chance on him. But you have him, you have Premo, you 1611 01:45:12,279 --> 01:45:14,920 have Murray, you have White, and then Vassella is in that category. 1612 01:45:15,039 --> 01:45:18,640 Johnson's probably firmly like not. But just like between all those guys, there's 1613 01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:24,520 weird like positional overlapped where you can't necessarily play all of them at the same 1614 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,800 time unless you're gonna downsize to an incredible degree and yeah, you know what 1615 01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,399 if someone wants dog with Thermot. Because we talked about teams that might be 1616 01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,840 in the market for shooting, I'm absolutely listening. So I'm on listen mode 1617 01:45:33,079 --> 01:45:36,920 for pretty much everybody with this team, and I think that they should actively 1618 01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:40,880 just be looking at, Hey, what does Derek White fetch? It's an 1619 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,960 addition to just by virtue of having Daddy as young. I think you called 1620 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,600 them sellers. I think too. With White, I didn't really think about 1621 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:53,039 him as a you know, someone who's on the market. But like we 1622 01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:55,920 were talking about earlier, like if you're in the market, if you if 1623 01:45:55,960 --> 01:46:00,359 you're seeking an Eric Gordon type and they're just there's just Eric Gordon, nobody 1624 01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:02,319 else. Like White. White's a different player, but he sort of ticks 1625 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:05,439 that box a little bit, you know, more so than Terrence Rosso I 1626 01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:10,199 mentioned already, just like a you know, a one dimensional guy. I 1627 01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:13,720 think I don't know what you'd get for White. I surely you'd get a 1628 01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:15,800 first for White, right, like of some kind. I would think he's 1629 01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,479 twenty seven, Like it's not he's old for the Spurs Corps, but he's 1630 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:25,079 not old capital oh, I would think, Yeah, I mean it depends 1631 01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:28,279 on. I guess like the pick cachet for each team that would be involved, 1632 01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:30,640 But you're getting at least one first round of for him. I don't 1633 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,880 know if one first is enough for me to move him. I probably want 1634 01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:39,720 a young player and a first or the equivalent of two first maybe is it 1635 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:44,399 like what up Phoenix? Phoenix would be interesting, But so you're getting a 1636 01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,800 twenty twenty four first and salary filler, and I think you could get Starch. 1637 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,920 Starch seems like a spur like he could. I could see them actually 1638 01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:55,119 wanting him next year if assuming he gets healthy. I don't know he'd give 1639 01:46:55,159 --> 01:46:58,079 him Jalen Smith too. Why not take a flyer? That would be a 1640 01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,119 man If I'm the Suns, I'm I'm in those tires for sure. But 1641 01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,199 but there's Derek White's probably not available. So I thought more along the lines 1642 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:08,760 of something like a type package off if Toronto came calling with you have drugages 1643 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,319 expiring and contract. But what if it's a first round pick and you get 1644 01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:17,720 Malachai Flynn or Delanno abandoned even so you're not getting og or Scotty Barnes, 1645 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:23,560 but like the lower end prospect, a protected pick or even Boston would be 1646 01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,399 a team. I don't know if they're interested in Derek right, they could 1647 01:47:25,399 --> 01:47:28,199 definitely use another ball handler who could create, but I don't think he's floor 1648 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,760 general enough. But it would be like, oh, you could have Pritchard, 1649 01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,720 Nie Smith or Langford and then we'll give you a first in addition to 1650 01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,520 the salary to get here. Is that type of a package enough for san 1651 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,439 Antonio to move White? I don't know, but I think that's the type 1652 01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:45,199 of return that realistically, or at minimum, you'd be looking at. You're 1653 01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:49,760 not getting the premier anything, but you can get two of something worth further 1654 01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:55,359 evaluation. Yeah, but he's not likely to get I mean Young is getting 1655 01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,600 traded if we're if we're picking one, I mean White would command a lot 1656 01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,239 more, But I don't know. They still the Spurs still make out like 1657 01:48:00,319 --> 01:48:03,000 bandits from the demarter Ros. And I know he's playing well this season, 1658 01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:06,560 but he wasn't helping the Spurs get to the level of Chicago is in the 1659 01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:11,279 East, so they still made out really well with that. But not capitalize 1660 01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:15,000 on Young would be like that would be borderline franchise. No practice here. 1661 01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,640 It's it blows my mind that you see sometimes that he's expected to get bought 1662 01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,239 out, and I just like, I don't is that just because of the 1663 01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:25,840 Spurs when you're basically behind Jack Landale in the rotation? Though like that, 1664 01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:33,319 I mean his per thirty six numbers youngs are close enough to yeah, they 1665 01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,279 he's not playing, it's not I mean he's the same guy essentially. Unless 1666 01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,920 Yeah, so I don't. I don't know if he's bought out, what 1667 01:48:40,039 --> 01:48:43,119 a shock that would be. He's gotta get traded. The Spurs have to 1668 01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,760 get something for him. Yeah, he would be the most likely player to 1669 01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:51,199 get traded, and he should get traded. The final team do utah jass 1670 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:59,039 buy sell or hold by similar to the Suns a little bit because they're still 1671 01:48:59,079 --> 01:49:03,520 good and needs are you know what. The Jazz have more clearer needs than 1672 01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:12,960 the Suns do. But they're relatively smaller I guess, no, no, 1673 01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,399 no, no, I'm sorry, not smaller. They're bigger because the wing 1674 01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,079 defense thing is a real is a real thing. Sorry, I actually have 1675 01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,479 before you go into yours, this is I've actually brought up now probably the 1676 01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,399 third time in this podcast. I was listening to dunked On, who I 1677 01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:28,319 believe was citing locked on Jazz podcast, where the notion was brought up that 1678 01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:33,479 the Jazz also could just use like sort of a help rotating rim protector so 1679 01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:38,960 that Rudy Gobert can trust what's happening behind him when he's actually being pulled further 1680 01:49:39,079 --> 01:49:42,439 away from the basket. It's not necessarily about getting you know, Marcus Smart 1681 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,039 seems to be I got. I've gotten a few. I would say at 1682 01:49:45,079 --> 01:49:48,479 least half a dozen dms from jazz fans looking at mail bad questions would respond 1683 01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,000 to the podcast we talked about could they trade for Marcus Smart? And that 1684 01:49:53,319 --> 01:49:56,960 level of player would be you know, even Josh Richardson for this tea would 1685 01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,199 be spectacular. But I thought it was interesting that maybe you don't only need 1686 01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:03,880 to target a wing. Is it like someone who's you know, like a 1687 01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:08,079 four that can also play beside Rudy go but he's closer to a big, 1688 01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:12,600 but he's going to give you some help rim protection. And I was just 1689 01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,760 curious what you thought about the notion of that, or does it just make 1690 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,960 more sense given what happens a lot, especially in transition to the Jazz, 1691 01:50:18,359 --> 01:50:21,399 that it needs to be like a wing defense or bust situation. I mean 1692 01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:26,640 there's I could appreciate the logic that I mean, the thing is like this, 1693 01:50:27,359 --> 01:50:33,800 this hypothetical four that is going to provide like weak side rim protection still 1694 01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,520 needs to be able to guard on the perimeter, right, So like, 1695 01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:42,720 who is that like Jeremy Grant? I guess Jeremy Grant, Like or if 1696 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:46,399 you can get Jeremy Grant to combine like his Oklahoma City and Denver selves and 1697 01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:51,399 the Detroit self into one player, I don't know, is there? So 1698 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:56,880 you know what I mean? Like? Sure, I agree? How do 1699 01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,000 they get like the Jeremy Grant of the Harris and barn sweep stakes? How 1700 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,600 do you enter that? Because they can't trade a pick until twenty twenty six, 1701 01:51:03,039 --> 01:51:08,279 and does Jared Butler in a twenty twenty six pick plus to get to 1702 01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:12,800 the salary? Joe Ingles alone isn't floating it. So you're getting into the 1703 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,680 realm of Jordan Clarkson or are you're moving boy on mcdonovitch. I don't think 1704 01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,319 you should move boy on Bodonovitch. I think the Jazz's offense is good enough 1705 01:51:19,359 --> 01:51:24,640 to where they could withstand the trading basically anyone who's not Donovan Mitchell and I 1706 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,600 would say, or Mike Conley, depending on who they're getting back. But 1707 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,680 I wouldn't trade Bardonovitch. And so just because those guys are so expensive and 1708 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,560 the distant pick equity you would have to give up to get them, it 1709 01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:40,520 feels like they're more in the Josh Richardson Robert Covington type tier, or that 1710 01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:44,920 this could all end with them getting David Naba or Tory Craig. Yeah, 1711 01:51:45,039 --> 01:51:46,479 I think Craig is. Craig is someone I had on my list. It's 1712 01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:50,840 just like for that reason, the guy that you don't have to give up 1713 01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:56,399 Engles or Bogdanovich to get. Theoretically, I think of the guys I mean 1714 01:51:56,479 --> 01:52:00,359 Clarkson to me, I guess I've just never been in on Clarkson. I 1715 01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,560 thought Ingles probably was a better six man last year. Ingles has been not 1716 01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:08,800 very good this year, but Clarkson seems expendable. I just like you see 1717 01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:13,600 in the playoffs, you know what you need and barring the occasional like Lou 1718 01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,640 Williams won you a game four one time, like the high scoring sixth man 1719 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:21,840 is is like not is less valuable than the guy who can, like you 1720 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:27,159 say, potentially be like your week side shop blocker and guard someone on the 1721 01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,439 print. You know, the things you need in the playofs are is different. 1722 01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:32,279 So but what are you getting for Jordan Clarkson negative right, because two 1723 01:52:32,359 --> 01:52:38,079 years and like twenty six twenty seven point six million left on his deal for 1724 01:52:38,199 --> 01:52:41,479 what he provides you in the regular season is in terms of shop creation and 1725 01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:45,079 making like that's not over the top, whereas Ingles is getting older on expiring 1726 01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,920 contracts. So yeah, if you want cap relief, that's fine. But 1727 01:52:48,039 --> 01:52:51,000 I wouldn't even argue that maybe Jordan Carson is the more valuable trade ass at 1728 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:55,760 than Ingles at this point as possible, but which would be great because I 1729 01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,760 would trade him before I traded Ingles. I think probably no, But yeah, 1730 01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,159 I mean, and their needs are I mean the before before getting to 1731 01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,359 the sort of like let's think harder about it and let's get a week side 1732 01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:12,119 shot blocker. They just I think I think it's overthinking it to just to 1733 01:53:12,279 --> 01:53:15,640 get past like they got beat by a team that was smaller and that they 1734 01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,439 couldn't stay in front him in the playoffs on the perimeter last year, Like 1735 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:23,800 that's that's that's what happened. So I think Rudy Gay addressed some of the 1736 01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,000 downsize five options that you know, I think I was that was like a 1737 01:53:28,079 --> 01:53:30,800 big question in the off season, is that the point of this is he 1738 01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,520 going to be able to do that? He's played like just I think a 1739 01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,079 little less than twenty percent of his minutes at the five. And I think 1740 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:39,119 that Limps have done well. I don't know, I haven't looked it up, 1741 01:53:39,159 --> 01:53:43,000 but they've been on the day. Yeah, but they have in theory, 1742 01:53:43,079 --> 01:53:45,600 They've got like they have an option now, they just don't have that 1743 01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:50,359 wing stopper. I don't know if Ingles and Jared Butler or whatever you want 1744 01:53:50,359 --> 01:53:54,119 to do will get you that, Like you're not getting Grant, You're not 1745 01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:59,439 getting I don't know what's who else is even Barnes. Just the Kings aren't 1746 01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:01,199 trading you Larren's for Clarkson Ningles, Right, Like, what do you need 1747 01:54:01,239 --> 01:54:08,439 to see? Yeah, that's the thing. So I just like I'm just 1748 01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,880 looking through possible guys they could. They could add I think it's gonna be 1749 01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,079 a Tory Craig type, you know, some someone someone like that. And 1750 01:54:15,159 --> 01:54:18,840 again the Jazz will be buyout players too, although they are I think they're 1751 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:23,399 like close to Yeah, almost fifteen million into the tax but they do have 1752 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:27,079 two open roster spots by my account, so they are kind of a they 1753 01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:31,039 are positioned to be a buyout team, but that's gonna hurt tax wise. 1754 01:54:31,319 --> 01:54:34,319 What do you think of the Mark is Smart idea for them? I mean, 1755 01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:38,199 that'd be phenomenal, Like he's exactly what they need. I just don't. 1756 01:54:38,279 --> 01:54:41,920 I don't know if that's realistic that they can make that happen. Yeah, 1757 01:54:42,119 --> 01:54:44,399 a lot of the trades that I've seen bandied about Jazz, Twitter and 1758 01:54:44,439 --> 01:54:46,199 even were proposed to me. And I'm not insulting anyone who sent them to 1759 01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:49,640 me, by the way, but was like Jordan Clark's in and there wasn't 1760 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:53,039 really any sweeteners in there, And I just don't. I don't Mark as 1761 01:54:53,079 --> 01:54:57,000 Smart is going to have that extension kick in after this season, and he's 1762 01:54:57,039 --> 01:55:01,319 had a terrible season as a shooter and finisher this year. But I still 1763 01:55:01,479 --> 01:55:04,159 just what he gives you on defense. Yeah, maybe you're worried about that. 1764 01:55:04,399 --> 01:55:06,680 Was it four years and seventy two or whatever it is that he's on 1765 01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:11,359 the books for. I still think you have to give up or if you're 1766 01:55:11,399 --> 01:55:14,600 Boston, why wouldn't. Why would you give up Marcus Smart without getting back 1767 01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,920 a first round pick or an equivalent prospect. And the name that I've said 1768 01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,119 for them many times, and I don't think people realize that he's been solid 1769 01:55:21,159 --> 01:55:25,920 this season, or at least not as many people is Josh Richardson. It's 1770 01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,439 just like, I don't want to give up my twenty twenty six first, 1771 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:31,239 So there would have to be other moves involved that it's happening. But like, 1772 01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:38,640 does an Ingalls plus Butler get you Josh Richardson? Does Clarkson alone plus 1773 01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:42,880 minimal sweet Nerves get you Josh Richardson? Boston's looking to duct the tax, 1774 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,359 so like, how does that impact what's happening? But Richardson felt like the 1775 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:51,600 best realistic name to me for the Jazz because he's definitely a cut above the 1776 01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:56,640 Craigs, the Justin Holliday's, way above the David Nuabas. But he's also 1777 01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,439 like, I think it will take more to get Marcus Smart. I know 1778 01:55:59,439 --> 01:56:02,640 people outside of Boston might not like that deal, but Marcus Smart can defend 1779 01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:08,800 four positions capably, and he also leads the Celtics and assists this season, 1780 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,880 like he is important he's sloppy within the pick and roll, but like he's 1781 01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:15,279 also important to them running their offense. So I don't think you're just getting 1782 01:56:15,399 --> 01:56:20,960 him. I don't even think if you offered your choice of Ingles or Wow 1783 01:56:21,079 --> 01:56:25,079 Jordan Clarkson plus that first, I don't think Boston's even doing that deal. 1784 01:56:25,239 --> 01:56:30,279 To be honest, No, do you think Bogdanovich for Smart? Straight up? 1785 01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:33,000 Who says who says no? It's a who says no question. I 1786 01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:38,000 think it's Boston just because Bogdanovitch is going to be in the last year of 1787 01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:40,720 his deal next season. He's older, and he gives you more of what 1788 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:45,560 you need when you're looking at shooting on offense, but you need rim pressure 1789 01:56:45,239 --> 01:56:50,079 playmaking like a general floor gen like just an overall floor general. And you're 1790 01:56:50,079 --> 01:56:56,560 also kind of hurting your playmaking by turning Smart into Bogdanovich. And so unless 1791 01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,119 you know you have like an upgrade like a point guard who can not the 1792 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:04,039 attack but also set up your offense and get you into it, that feels 1793 01:57:04,079 --> 01:57:09,880 like a So the deal I came up with on the last podcast was Mike 1794 01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:14,439 Conley going to Boston basically for either It was a three team deal. Where 1795 01:57:14,439 --> 01:57:18,319 the Jazz got back Marcus Smart and Kemba Walker, so like they were getting 1796 01:57:18,319 --> 01:57:21,640 another point guard back, or it's they were getting they took Shrewder into the 1797 01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:27,279 dear favorite trade exception and then they got Josh Richardson and Smart for Mike Conley. 1798 01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,960 I've floated something along those lines. That's interesting. Conley. I really 1799 01:57:31,039 --> 01:57:36,560 like Conley, But if what's that he's been so his numbers on like off 1800 01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,800 the dribble jumpers this season or just through the through the roof, Yeah, 1801 01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:45,479 I think I I I think certainly that would give the Jazz like more of 1802 01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,359 what they need. But that's that's tough. Yeah, I don't know who's 1803 01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,439 so who's most likely to be traded? Do we? Do? We say 1804 01:57:51,479 --> 01:57:56,640 that yet? I think I settle on Engles just because he's expiring older and 1805 01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,039 it feels like there's been more noise about that. If I were to pick 1806 01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:00,840 who I'm moving, I would move. I agree with you, I'm with 1807 01:58:01,039 --> 01:58:05,399 I'm with Jordan Clarkson that he's the guy I'm moving. Yeah, I think 1808 01:58:05,439 --> 01:58:09,840 I agree with that. I guess maybe you the other guys you might think 1809 01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,640 about are like Butler as a sweetener. But again, I don't. I 1810 01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:16,239 don't know. I think the more I think about it, I like the 1811 01:58:16,319 --> 01:58:20,720 idea of Bogdanovich Bargonach is really good. I think he's he's a key part 1812 01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:25,760 of why that offense hums like it does. I think he's kind of very 1813 01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:29,680 often underrated. But so what here the jazz then? And I don't even 1814 01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:33,000 know if this guy I don't know because it's not Bardonovich, she's in getting 1815 01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:39,039 you Jeremy Grant would Bardonovitch and Butler and a second get you Harrison Barnes from 1816 01:58:39,079 --> 01:58:42,920 the Kings. And does that actually help you with what you need? Because 1817 01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,720 I don't view Barnes as a wing stopper. I kind of like you're reuniting 1818 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:49,319 Butler and Davion Mitchell. So that's that's something that Kings would care about probably 1819 01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:53,880 for some reason. Yeah, that's tough. I don't know, it's hard. 1820 01:58:54,079 --> 01:58:58,279 I guess Barnes Barnes just gives you a more like more balanced player and 1821 01:58:59,399 --> 01:59:02,159 and more too. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I 1822 01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:08,399 feel that much better about Barnes on like a wing as a small ball four 1823 01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:12,920 than I do about Bogdanovitch. Maybe a little definitely a little, but not 1824 01:59:13,359 --> 01:59:15,880 to the extent that, oh this makes a ton of sense for us. 1825 01:59:16,119 --> 01:59:19,119 Yeah, that's not a wheel. We just put ourselves over the top move. 1826 01:59:19,239 --> 01:59:21,399 But it's interesting. I mean, you'd have to think about that at 1827 01:59:21,479 --> 01:59:27,079 least, just because he's a different type of player. I guess Robert Covington 1828 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:30,479 feels like the middle ground, right, whereas the Blazers probably I don't know 1829 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,560 why they would take Clarkson, but they should, you know, expiring for 1830 01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:36,239 expiring and like you said, it could help them get under the tax and 1831 01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:42,279 maybe get a little bit of a sweetener. So that feels like the middle 1832 01:59:42,279 --> 01:59:45,239 ground move. That would be more realistic. Yeah, I'm with that. 1833 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,720 That will do it. Grant, thank you so much for hopping on and 1834 01:59:49,279 --> 01:59:53,119 slogging through this exercise with me. It was a blast. As always. 1835 01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:56,840 Are you able to tell our listeners where they can find you and your work 1836 01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,520 if they can find you at all? I like to hide. You can 1837 02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:04,840 find me putting out stuff on Bleacher Report. You can follow me on Twitter 1838 02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:10,199 at gt Underscore Hughes and you can see me. You can catch me here 1839 02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:13,039 and see me here, I guess since your we're YouTube in this one. 1840 02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:17,039 Yeah, cutting it into fifteen individual clips. Man, that's how that's how 1841 02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:20,600 you get paid so much. Yeah, the big podcasting money. That's why 1842 02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:24,399 I have my my Bleacher Report job is just for ships and giggles. It's 1843 02:00:24,439 --> 02:00:27,840 the top on the revenue. Thank you so much, Grant. I will 1844 02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:29,520 talk to you again, very very very soon.