Welcome to episode thirty of Get Out a Live a podcast or me your host
Ashley every other week tells you a new animal attack story, and me your
other host, Nick, still has not been canceled up to episode thirty,
so we're doing pretty good. I think we're almost to a year of this.
Oh my god, you're right. Who was our first episode? I
want to say it came out in July. During July or August we recorded
in like before sure, yeah, oh my god. That's a really good
point. If it's like a one year birthday right now, July fourteenth is
our birthday or not? Yeah? What the fuck? Yeah? Oh my
god? Should we do a birthday bonus up or something? I'd be so
happy your birthday bonus. Hey, that's what we have our AMA thing.
So wow, we're getting sidetracked. Okay, so welcome to episode thirty.
We have add Yeah, we can talk about our bonus app in a second,
but Nick, you have someone to shout out, Oh my god,
I do. I just had the name up and they put my phone down
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and we have bonus episodes, so we're doing an ask us Anything episode.
One of the questions is Nick, why are you here? Which I cannot
wait to hear the answer to now are we talking about the philosophical why am
I? Here? Are we talking about the why am I? On this
podcast? Because they are, I think we'll have time for both different answers.
I'm just gonna go on. Yeah, it's it's gonna be the me
episode where I just do whatever my brain tells me to do and it's gonna
be a mess. So that's kind of what this episode is, so I'll
be honest. It's been rough, just like existing. Yeah, we don't
count ourselves as a political podcast. We don't talk about politics much or at
all, as little as we can because, like you, guys come here
for animal attack stuff and that's what we try to stick to. If you
want to get into politics, you can go elsewhere. That being said,
with the overturning of Roe v Wade, I have been depressed, so I
have not put a whole lot of thought into what animal to research next because
I've been too focused on being upset. It's not like you've had anything else
major happened to you recently that might help with not needing to research another animal
or anything, and we can talk about on this podcast. Right. Yes,
I have a person she was attacked by dogs Okay, Yeah, so
that's we're gonna name this episode Ashley's Cautionary Tale and talk about what happened to
me and like things that I have taken from our podcast or might not have
taken and could have learned more from, and how what happened to me can
help you hopefully. Did you get out alive? Yes, we both did,
Thank you very much, obviously, or else how would we be doing
this. Apple has a lot of cool technology. We can talk to the
dead. That's true and horrifying, So let's skip right over that. So,
yeah, what we're talking about today is an incident that happened with me,
and if you follow me on any social media or know me, you've
heard a little bit about it. I texted Nick pretty much immediately as I
got home from it happened, just like I love when bad things happen to
me, and I text you the veguest things and like really short text messages,
but like multiple short text messages that are very vague, and my responses
you're the same of Okay, like who do I need to go kill?
But should we get into it? I've worried you, so let's go.
I don't know how long this episode's gonna be I'm sorry to be so all
over the place. I've just been mad, and also focusing on like how
to use angry energy towards making good. So we're gonna take my angry energy
from what happened to me and try to make it into something useful here.
Hell yeah, So I guess to preface, I have I have a lot
of experience with dogs, would you agree? Yes? Yeah. Like my
first dog that I lived with and trained and owned was a purebred black German
shepherd who was pretty dog aggressive, meaning he would attack other dogs, so
that's aggressive. He also came after me one time, okay, came after
you. Was he would bark at people and run at them coming into our
house, but he'd just bark at you. He was a big baby.
And then I barked at him and ran at him in and he was like
respect. So definitely definitely the way to do it. Yeah, yeah,
ten out of ten recommendation. No, it's so dumb, don't do that.
Don't do that people. I was a young child, and I was
dumb. Well that being said, I was like, gosh, I was
little when we got Cosmo, that shepherd, and I used to walk him
by myself because Nick and I lived in a city or a New Hampshire equivalent
of a city, the second largest city in New Hampshire, so it was
like a big, decently sized town yeah for like other states. But no
one ever approached me when I was walking him because he looked so scary and
was so like anti people that weren't his people. Now he was full on
police dog, like he's scary ass Mo. Yeah, I mean when police
came to our house, they were like, please put that dog somewhere.
Yeah, he was God, he was something. So I wasn't the best
dog owner back then because I was a child and didn't know things. But
I had a few cases with him where dogs came at us. So,
like I lived in a neighborhood that was a loop, and I like to
think there's a difference between a showy aggressive dog and like a dog that actually
wants to kill your dog. Because Cosmo was very like boo boo boo,
like putting on a show, was a jerk, but like never would try
to kill another dog. But we had one instance where we were walking on
like the other side of our street and someone had a loose dog in their
yard. And I saw the dog see us, and then it quietly ran
behind a truck to like surprise us and was silent and then came at us.
He didn't even notice he was looking in the opposite direction. I just
screamed at it, and then it turned around, thank god, because it
would have been a bloodbath. We had one other instance where these people were
sitting in their yard with a Jack Russell that was off leash, and it
came running at us, barking, and Cosmo just lifted a paw and smacked
it, like literally slapped it, and then it yeah, and then it
whined and ran away, like down the street, away from its owners.
So I'm just like, oh my god, eh, and Cosmo like normally
he would have lost his mind, but he just looked at it and I
kept walking like I can't even be bothered. Yeah, definitely not. It
was hilarious. So anyways, there was that, and then in college for
like two years, I worked with a team of Siberian huskies that were slood
dogs. There were so many times where they legitimately tried to kill each other,
and all of these instances that I'm sharing, I've never been like afraid
of dogs, I've never had an instance where I was like I'm in danger,
and even the worst fight I ever had with those huskies, which I'll
briefly share because why not. We're in a dog episode. The owner of
the sled dog kennel was away and I was watching the dogs, and they
live outside because they're Siberian Husky flood dogs and they prefer that. And honestly,
you don't want twenty one huskies in your house. It's a lot of
fur. So we'd have different playgroups, so you can't have all of them
o at the same time because that's just asking for a disaster. So I
think it was in a season where the females were in heat, so I
had just the boys out, and then i'd have just the females out.
So I had all the boys out, and there was this one dog named
Junior who was like my favorite. I loved him very much, and a
lot of them were related, so like Junior's whole litter basically lived there,
and Junior's dad, Sonny, was there. Junior was like, quote unquote
the alpha male, like they all respected him and he like didn't put up
with any crap. So on this day, I let all of them out.
Junior's brother Elvis decided on this day, I'm done listening to him and
tried to kill him. So they got into a fight, and I was
screaming, like hey, knock it off, trying to separate them. I
only had with me an intern, who was like it was her second time
being there, I think, so she had no idea what to do.
I tried spraying them with the hoes. Didn't stop. Now I had like
to at least ten other dogs out with me at this time. I'm not
Joe. Every other dog ganged up on Junior and tried to kill Junior,
and he like didn't know what to do because this is never happening before,
which is fair. I didn't know what to do because I was like,
how do you stop? Like ten against one? So he tried to like
squeeze between one of the kennels and like this wooden pole and got stuck for
a second. Elvis grabbed his back leg and tried to like yank it off.
As that's happening, another dog goes under a ladder and the ladder falls
onto another dog. Jesus, yeah, So I finally, like Junior gets
out of there. He runs towards like the outer fence, and I had
to like physically block him with my body and like stand in front of him
and pin him against the fence and scream at the other dogs to stop,
and they finally did. But like, even then, I did not think
that the other huskies were gonna kill me. You know, yeah it didn't.
So, I mean, like they got into a scuffle, Junior had
like a puncture wound his chest. By the next day, everyone was fine.
The wound was like gone. It was incredible because dogs are animals,
they're incredibly resilient. It's nuts. But even then I wasn't afraid of that.
I was like, I've got this loosely. So two weeks ago now,
I think it was like a week and a half. Yeah, it
was the week of the release of our software episode, the episode in which
Nick made fun of my dog Penny. And I feel like you somehow manifested
this to happen to us. It's all your stop. Stop stop with that.
We're not having this conversation again, especially not in front of all these
people. This is fault. So oh so I have two dogs, Sawyer
and Penny, And if you follow me on social media, beauty. Sawyer
is a very handsome boy. He's also, in case we haven't mentioned before,
is beautiful. He's seventy five pounds. He's a shepherd mix. And
then we have Penny and she is a terrier mix who's like twenty something pounds.
She's also cute. That is not to be debated. Moving on.
The silence will speak for itself. She's adorable. I'll post pictures of her
and we'll get everyone's take. Fuck you name, I'm gonna lose that.
What do you mean? Yeah, now it's gonna vote on Twitter that your
dog's ugly. She's like a little old man cute, like she's got a
little mustache. She smiles and people she's great. It's just the classic female
beauty of mustache. Yeah, no, shame. Yeah, so she is.
She's a classic terrier. So she uh, how do I put this?
She is afraid of other dogs and started becoming afraid of other dogs when
she hit like six months old. It was crazy, like before that she
was fine, she can meet other dogs play, and then as soon as
she hit that six months absolutely not even dogs that she had played with before
besides our dog's Sawyer, Like, no, but she goes to daycare and
she's fine. It's weird. So she, in true terrier fashion, when
she sees another dog that she's afraid of, she will run at them and
bite them, because terriers run at things they're afraid of and bite them,
especially things that are larger than them. So that's been fun. Nick has
seen it firsthand with his brother's dog. We went on a hike once and
Penny was the sweetest she is. Yeah, my brother's dog is the nicest
lab in the world. Like could not care. She doesn't even care about
other dogs. She snapped at Sawyer, just saying, oh, sort of
trying to bang her. No, he just she was under table. He
was sniffing her, and then she was like, get away from me.
Anyways, this is all conjecture. So so Penny went up to Nick's brother's
dog and just bitter in the neck, and then we went on to hike
and then they played and it was fine. It was weird. This is
all to say that every day or every other day when she's not a daycare,
I take her for a walk or my partner takes her for a walk
around their neighborhood to like train her to be less afraid of dogs because our
neighborhood is full of dog owners who just either tie their dock up outside to
bark at everybody and everything and get super frustrated, or people let their dogs
off leash. I do that with Sawyer in my yard, but it's because
my yard is tucked behind my house, so you can't see the street from
my yard, and behind my house is woods, so Sawyer either goes in
the woods or he's in our yard. And also if another dog is around
and he looks at it and starts to go ooh, if I yell at
him, he comes back. And also he's not dog aggressive, like he'll
just walk up and be like, hey, what's up. So we take
Penny out and we do like specific training to help her not be afraid of
other dogs, and she's gotten really, really good. It's taken a fucking
the entire time we've had her, and she's now on prozac to calm her
down, like it's a whole thing. So she's been doing well. We
can walk her past houses with dogs like lunging and snapping at her, and
she can like just keep on going and not get upset. So in this
day, I get home from work. I take her out, and there's
not many places to go in my street, like I'm on a dead end,
and basically I can just do a loop, and I know which houses
have dogs that are aggressive in which the house is to like watch out for,
essentially, So I go around the corner and I come upon this house
and I think, I can't remember now if I had been there before,
but I know my partner was like, hey, there was these two dogs,
but we'd have a problem. So I was like, okay, Actually
to backtrack. Before I even left the house, I was wearing sandals,
and I'm pretty sure we mentioned in the dog episode with Jim Crosby make sure
you have the right gear. So I was like, sandals are bad because
I could easily slip. So I put on like some boots, and I
even had the thought I should carry pepper spray and I was like no,
like whatever, I'll be fine, And I had a fanny pack full of
dog treats and like waistbags whatever. So we're walking and we come up on
this house that I knew my partner said had had dogs, and I saw
two dogs. So there was a woman outside with two toddler children, and
then these two dogs. So I stopped and had Penny like go into a
sit, have her chill, and I was like, I should turn around,
but I was so early into the walk that like, if I turn
around, I just have to go home, like there was really nowhere else
to go, yea, against my better judgment, I walked by the house
and the dogs didn't see her, And once I got to the other side
of the house, I didn't see the dogs. I was like, oh
cool, great, And across from this house is a church where there's also
sometimes a loose dog and a bunch of of children. So Penny sniffing something,
so like okay, So there's this house on the left side of the
street that has these two off leashtogs, and then on the right side of
the street across from them as the church with like a big parking lot.
So Penny is facing towards the church sniffing something, and I have anxiety,
so I'm constantly looking around for things to come out like that are dangerous.
So as Penny sniffing, I turned and I just see this big black and
brown dog coming at us, but like quietly, I don't think it even
had a caller on because I didn't hear any tags, or if it did,
it didn't have tags. Within I had like seconds, so I scooped
Penny up. Oh god, I'm even like getting anxious talking about it.
So he scooped Penny up, and she like had no idea what was going
on, and I just started screaming like no, and it stopped for a
second and like looked at me as if it was confused, like why are
you yelling at me? But it kept looking between me and Penny like as
if trying to decide, like should I jump, Like that was my first
thought that it was going to try to jump on it, And I was
like, if this dog jumps on us, like I have nothing to do.
Penny's leash is super short because we're working on healing, Like if I
let her go, she's gone, and if I hold her now, I'm
stuck fighting this dog with Penny like three feet for me. So as I'm
deciding these things holding Penny, a second dog equally as large comes running.
This second dog. Clearly, to me from like my experience with dog behavior,
looked just like it was tagging along with the first dog, like it
didn't really it wasn't really necessarily aggressive. It was just like what do we
do? Like, what are we go? So this first dog is barking.
Penny is snapping at them, also, thank god, not trying to
get out of my arms, like she was like, hey, get away
from us. But she wasn't like let me at him, you know,
yeah, or maybe she was, I don't know. It was a little
blurry. So I'm screaming hey at them or just hay in general, I
don't see the owner a house two houses down down the street, there are
two people outside doing stuff to their car. They never fucking did anything,
and it still pisses me off. They never came over to try to help.
They never yelled, nothing fucked them. So here I am holding Penny.
I have nothing with me besides my body and treats. All I could
think to do was throw treats at them. And I just had like freeze
dried chickens, so I'm just throwing handfuls of chicken at them. The first
dog was still stare like coming after us. Because I started walking to the
church parking lot to get away from them and like make space, and they
that first dog just kept coming. The second dog was sniffing the treats like
m I'm interested. But this first dog, it was the first time in
my life where I felt like a dog was gonna hurt me, and the
first time I felt like I didn't have control over the city. Well,
not like I mean, clearly I had enough control of that husky situation,
but like, that was the first time I felt like things could go really
bad and that it could hurt me if you were actively involved in the dog
wanted to do damns to something like you were a point of interest. Would
have bitten me, and it would have tried to kill Penny, and it
easily could have killed Penny. It was like the size of sawyer. So
I'm screaming. I'm screaming, and finally the owner comes and she's like,
hey, get over here, and she's yeng at them. I think she
said she was sorry, and then she got the dogs and took them back
to her house. I at some point, I don't know have much time
passed, but I finally put Penny down the ground and she just like sat
down. And I wanted so badly to scream at this person and be like,
what are you Why are your dogs off leash? What are you doing
you're a piece of shit. But I was so worked up and afraid that
they were gonna jump on us and try to kill Penny that I was just
like, like about to cry and lose it. So she gets back to
her house, I can see her rounding up the children in the yard to
bring into the house. I don't know if a part of me thought she
was gonna come back and like say she was sorry, or check on me.
So Penny's on the ground, I'm kneeling next to her. I'm just
giving her treats, just like you're good, you're good, You're good,
and making sure that she's okay. I'm sobbing because I was like, this
could ruin all of her training, Like we've put in so much time and
effort and money into this to make sure that she feels safe and this just
happened and it could ruin everything. So as I'm sitting there thinking all of
this and thinking like, is the dog at the church gonna come out?
Because there's an awfully sh dog there, I hear someone yell, hey,
are you okay? And I look up and from the direction that I came,
there's this woman running towards us who'd never seen before, and I literally
just waved her off because I was sobbing so I couldn't respond. She came
over and she was like, oh my gosh. She like, don't cry,
it's okay, and I was like, I just I'm so worked up
because I try so hard and she's so afraid. She was like, I
know, I see you walking her all the time, and she listens to
you so well, and she's been doing really good, which made me cry
for more the fact that my neighbors noticed. So she was the nicest person.
She had pepper spray with her and she was like, if they come
back, like, don't worry. Yeah, she was ready. She came
good for her. She said, I've had to fucking call the cops on
her before because she lets her dogs off leash and they run at people.
I was like, do you mean so come to find out, she's actually
my neighbor that I like a butt a house with, and she has a
dog that's outside barking all the time. And I met him and his name's
Enzo. He is very sweet and the best. And she was like,
they have run at those dogs have come at me before, especially that first
one, the black brown one. Even when I don't have my dog,
Like they're aggressive towards strange people, Like I said, like the church across
the street has kids at it all the time. She was like, I've
had to call the cops on her before because like she doesn't have any control
over them, they're aggressive whatever. So she was so nice. She sat
with me for like ten minutes until I was okay to walk home, and
I was like, how the fuck am I going to get home? I'm
so worked up. Penny is obviously like a little on edge. She was
like, call the cops, let them know what happened to you so it
doesn't have to happen again. I was like, Okay, I get home.
Penny was a baller. She we walked by a house that had a
dog that was tied to the house that was barking her and lunging at her,
and she, like you could tell she wasn't necessarily like, ah,
that's scary. She was like, I just want to go home. Yeah.
Yeah. She was looking at me and whining like, I just want
to go home. I get home. My partner's in the backyard somehow did
not hear any of this happen, and I just burst out crying and he's
like, what the heck? And as I'm crying, Penny is whining at
me like felt bad that I was crying and was nervous that I was crying.
So it was I don't know it. We bonded over, we trauma
bonded. I feel like I love her more now that we've trauma bonded over
this. So called the cops and was like, this just happened to me,
and they were like, yeah, your neighbor just called us and let
us know too, which I was like, super nice. So the owner
never came back and checked on us. Fuck her. So the cop comes
and he's like, I was at her house a month ago because of this
like a similar situation, like her dogs were off leash, just like wandering
the street, and we don't like we live in a busy street and it's
like there's a lot of houses here. It's not like a sleepy little town.
So the cop says to me, like, there, the leash law
in my town does not specifically say a dog has to be on a leash.
It just says the dog has to be under your control. So he
went to her house and told her, like, you know, you have
to put up a fence, or you have to tie these dogs up somehow,
or like keep them on a leash, because like this can't keep happening,
or you can be arrested, so a few things. I should have
brought something else with me. And I will say, like I did beat
myself up at first, and I was, and I'm pretty sure I texted
you and I was like I wish I had done better, but you were
like, Penny is fine and you are fine, Like neither you got hurt.
What you did was fine, clearly, yes, So I just had
this weird guilt of like I should have done more. I should have had
Pepper Spey with me. I should have had an umbrella, like we talked
to Jim about, like he gave us a bunch of things to protect yourself
against this happening. And like, obviously it worked because I like we're fine,
and yeah, she's like taking a few steps back in her training and
now is like a little more anxious on our walks, And honestly, I
haven't walked her as much because now when I go over there, I'm terrified
and I get super worked up. So now my partner has come with me.
We have to like fucking walk together and bring some sort of weapon to
make sure that we're fine. We haven't seen the dogs again, but I've
only walked her two times since then past that house, and I will say
she is not afraid of that house, which is great, Like she doesn't
like get all anxious around it. She doesn't look around, which have had
happened to dogs in the past, like Cosmo when that dog ran at us,
he would always get nervous around the house. But Penny has it,
which is great. But I've talked for a long time. Do you want
to say anything not? This is your story story. So obviously having this
podcast was helpful because we've talked to Jim. We had a two part episode
with Jim, which was episode nineteen I believe, Yeah, nineteen nineteen point
five, and PARTY was kicking myself, like I didn't take all of the
advice he gave us, but I guess like throwing treats is really the best
I could do at the time. But there was another podcast I had listened
to last year at some point, and it's the same podcast that Jim Crosby
was on. It's called The Bitie End of the Dog with Mike Chicasio.
Episode ten of his podcast is with Laura Monico Torelli, and she is a
dog trainer, like a certified dog trainer, and she owns Rhodesian ridgbacks in
Chicago. And this episode that she did with him, she tells her it's
an hour long episode and I highly encourage you to listen to it. But
it was about when she was attacked. And I actually contacted her because I
wanted to talk about this story and how it related and informed what happened to
me. And I was like, you can come in the podcast and talk
about it, but also like it's very traumatic what happened to her now that
it's something similar has happened to me, Like I totally get not wanting to
talk about it. And she left me the kindest voicemail I have ever received
from anybody, and she was like, I'm fine with that coming on the
podcast, but like I'm honored that you want to tell my story. Like,
definitely tell people to go listen to that episode if they want to hear
like of the bity end of the dog, if they want to hear exactly
what happened to her. And she said, like I'm holding a safe space
for you in my heart, and I was like, oh, it was
so nice. So I'm gonna make a long story short because I think you
should go listen to her episode. But she was walking her dog, Veto,
who's a Rhodesian bridge back, when he was nine months old, in
Chicago, and she had lived in that neighborhood in Chicago for twenty years and
had other Rhodesian bridgebacks, so she had walked the same path a bunch of
times. So there was this one day she was walking Veto and literally out
of nowhere, an awfully sh dog came up behind them and like pinned him
to the ground and was attacking him, and she had seconds to respond,
so she when the dog came up for a second, she blocked her dog's
body with her body and was just like screaming for help and trying to stop
this dog from attacking her dog. And then a second dog came and they
both like for minutes, were attacking her dog, had him pinned on the
ground, were like trying to kill him, and she used her body to
cover his neck and his head and was trying to push them away and they
were biting her hand. So this was like really really bad in Chicago,
where there is a leash, a law that specifically says your dog has to
be an a leash. Laws in Chicago that aren't followed. So well,
yeah, I mean clearly so. She said, like after minutes of this,
finally she just like saw a sneaker and someone grabbed one of the dogs,
and then like the first dog was gone, then the second dog was
gone. They were just walking away. They didn't say anything to her,
They just grabbed the dogs and walked away. There were so many bystanders.
I'm assuming she said, there was like two people across the street like on
their phone, but like you would run over to help if you saw someone's
dog being attacked and saw someone being attacked by two dogs, like what the
hell? Once again, go listen to the podcast. She gets into more
detail about it. But what kind of dogs attack them? She just said
that there were two large dogs. She didn't saybacks, it's a big dog.
Those are big, badass dogs, Like those aren't just like fucking those
aren't just huskies, Like those things are lion hunters. Yeah, I know,
they are legit badass. I think it was because they got him so
off guard, you know, like they came up had to just jump them
out of yeah, and with two of them of course. Yeah, So
she had to go to the ear and her dog had to go to the
er. And you can hear more about it in that podcast episode. But
like he's never been the same since, and like he's never gonna be okay
with strange dogs because it was very traumatic. The things she talked about in
that story and the things she talked about the end, like here are things
I would have done differently or things she does now to Like she likes to
play a lot, so she has a frisbee that says do not approach on
it when she has her dog with her if she sees someone else coming towards
them with the dog, and like she has other things like that, like
shirts that say like do not approach and stuff. I'm pretty sure. So
she like just like flashed the frisbee at them if they start walking. Yeah,
exactly, like, no, don't come towards us. I've always had
that in the back of my mind, like that story because she was just
like she cries as she talks about it because it was so traumatic and it
happened now three years ago, and like I almost had to go home the
day after work, because I felt like I was just gonna have a panic
attack all day because I couldn't stop think about it. I couldn't stop thinking
about like seeing that dog running towards us. Nothing even happened to us,
like we weren't bitting or anything, so I can't imagine like me and my
dog almost being harmed. And also the thing that really got me was like,
thank god I wasn't walking Sawyer because I cannot pick him up. Yeah,
and he's eight years old. He has hyptasplasia. If two dogs were
attacking him, like I would have had to do the same thing as Laura,
and like he used my body and I probably would have I don't know.
I like to think what I would have done. I have no idea.
Yeah, you never know. Un So you're in the no And we've
had another dog. We were walking Sawyer in Penny once and we had an
awfully stog run at us. But it was like a golden retriever, like
a young golden Retriever that just wanted to play and be friends, like you
could tell in his body lang which he was like, oh wiggily. And
then it came close and Sawyer snapped at him like he was gonna bite him,
and then the puppy was like oh shit and went home. But like
these two dogs, it wouldn't Yeah, it would have been a bloodbath.
And I couldn't stop thinking about that, like what if the what ifs?
You know. Yeah, so it was a very dramatic experience. Yeah,
clearly, I obviously, you and I try to be really respectful of people
that we talk about who have been attacked by animals, depending unless no,
I'm not gonna lie, it depends. Yeah. Well, I mean I
feel like there haven't been a ton of stories we've covered where the people like
ask for it, you know what I mean. Yeah, So I just
came back of this with like so much more respect for everyone that we've talked
about. I mean, obviously the cases we talk about are usually pretty terrible
and scary, and I couldn't stop thinking about the bison episode that we did
where the guy who was attacked went back and his girlfriend was attacked, and
then he kept going back to that area to go like hiking and stuff,
and I was like that must, yeah, take so much courage, because
even walking around my neighborhood, I'm like afraid and I was approached by two
aggressive dogs, not even like gored by a bison, you know. Yeah,
so I don't know. I just came out of it with so much
more respect for people and how scary it could be. I think, like
the important thing is to take out this so that you did do the right
things. You distracted the dogs the best you could. You do something you
had to distract them, Like you took your dog out of the situation as
much as you could. Yeah, you did everything that you could with what
you had. So yeah, like now when you go out, like you
should be taken out of the perspray with you. You should be. It's
a great thing. You put on the right shoes. You've made that decision
there. So you're sitting here think about all the things that you could have
done better when you did everything right, you did it like you think about
the what IFFs, but like if all right, let's put in the what
IFFs you're going to response to in the right way, because you just responded
to all these things in the right way. Yeah, your reactions were right.
You know, you have to trust your reactions. And I think if
other things did happen, you would have found a way to get out of
it correctly because that's what you do. Thanks, you're welcome. I just
I can't stop thinking of it. Was Sawyer like no, no, shade
de Penny, but like Sawyer is my guy. He's different. Yeah,
he's like my other half. And if something happens, oh oh my god.
Also, training an eight year old dog to not be dog aggressive would
take more work, I'm assuming than in a one year old, but that
would be almost impossible. Yeah, and he's oh god. Yeah, and
he's not like the friendliest dog in the world either, Like he does want
space, Like he's not things dog aggressive, but he wants space. Yeah,
you know, yeah, he's very like he's a classic shepherd, where
like he likes me and that's about im ball and that's about it. He
likes everyone in his moments. But when you want space and you try to
invade that space, he will make it clear. He is not aggressive,
but he will make it clear to stay away to other dogs. Do you
mean like to people tell the dogs? Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah,
I mean he has really good social skills, is the difference, whereas Penny
is like just just defensive all the time, a terror. Yeah, so
I guess coming away from this. If you have a dog that you can't
physically pick up, I highly suggest walking with somebody else who does not have
a dog, so that way one of you can fend off the other dog
and one of you can attend to your dog, which like obviously you can't
do all the time and that sucks. Or if you have a dog that
you can't pick up, like you gotta have something with you. And I
was thinking of it, like, you know, I'm not gonna start carry
an umbrella with me because to me, that just doesn't it just seems like
a juggling act. If a dog is coming at you, Yeah, and
you have a dog you're attached to with a leash, You're not going to
have probably the time to open an umbrella or to pop up in a trash
bag or something. So pepper spray seems like the best bed. Yeah,
I mean, that's important that you get a pepper spray holster then at the
same time, so you have to go digging into your fanny pack and find
it. Yeah, make a big deal. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean in my case, I could have easily like lifted Penny up
and then sprayed them because they weren't leaving, you know, I was because
I was one handing one arming her and then throwing treats with the other hand.
So yeah, yeah, So just I think it's important if you have
a dog one keep them on a leash or under your control so this doesn't
happen to somebody else because of you. Thanks. Two, like, make
sure if you do have a dog that you can't lift up, that you
have some sort of thing to protect yourself and your dog. And this doesn't
even have to be towards like other dogs approaching you. It could be wild
animals that are approaching you, you know, yes, yeah. And once
this happened to me, I shared it on Facebook, which, like I
barely ever post on Facebook because it's a hell hole, But it was crazy
to me the amount of people of my life who responded and were like this
happened to me. Like I had one childhood friend who this was so sad.
She has a dog that was like horribly abused by men, and she
was like, yeah, we did training to like make her less afraid and
make her okay walking downtown and then one night some drunk ey got in her
face and screamed at her, and she like just totally regressed and was terrified
again. Like, oh, like in that case, that sucks because you
can't just pepper spray a dude for yelling in your dogs. I mean you
can, and I but absolutely would. Yeah, but yeah, just things
like that, like don't approach dogs that clearly don't want to be approached by
you. I've had people approach, like just people not with their dogs,
but people approach me with two dogs that are snapping and barking at them,
and it's like, clearly, my dogs do not want you closer to us,
Please stay away from us. Yeah. Just be a respectful dog owner,
be a considerate dog owner, or be just a considerate person around dogs.
Just don't be an asshole. Don't be an asshole. Don't be an
asshole. It's really that's simple. That's like the secrets of life is just
don't be an asshole. Be a nice human. That's a thing that's on
shirts now. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Let's make a be
a nice human shirt. Yeah. It's hard, it's a right, Yeah.
I just it was crazy because after it happened, I could barely talk
about it without crying. Like the day after I went to work, and
I was just so out of it and told my boss, like something happened
to me. I'm not ready to talk about it yet, but like if
i'm I'm freaking out. Yeah, I'm freaking out internally. Yeah it was
bad. Yeah, So what would you like to have done to these dogs?
In my heart, this is gonna sound mean, but my heart of
hearts, I wish she didn't have them. That's okay. I don't think
that's really a mean thing at all. Like, I don't think they's a
history of these things coming after people. Yeah, And I don't think they
should be put down. I just think that they should be with someone who's
more responsible because, like I don't know, being a dog owner nowadays,
like there's a lot of pressure with it. Weirdly, there's a lot of
legal responsibility with them. Well there is, right, and but I think
that there's a lot of pressure nowadays to be like to treat your dogs like
their children, to do everything you can for your dog and make sure your
dog has the best life it should. Which like, obviously, if you
love your dogs, do it. But there are a lot of people in
my neighborhood who just have their dogs like tie, like they just tie them
up outside and leave them. And I think that used to be like the
thing to do, and now that's seen as like you're a bad owner.
Well, I mean, I think there's an important distinction between having them tied
up outside, which is a safe way to have a dog, yeah,
and laying them loose, which might make them happier, which is great.
Your dog's happier. Guess what, they're not trained well enough or responsible enough.
And it's also just a terrible fucking idea and they might go do dumb
shit. So treating them like a like a child is not a good thing
because we don't tie up our children. We should be Oh I see media.
Yeah that's just no. Like you treat your dogs well, yeah,
but don't let them do what they want. Some people have kids on leashes,
which I think is a great idea. Yeah, fuck, go for
it, that's fund with me. Yeah, I just I think it's hard,
right, they are animals. Yeah, it's hard because if you tie
up, if you just tie up your dog and lead them outside, they're
gonna get super frustrated, and well then you're a bad owner. Again,
like this just like there's a there's a middle Yet, I know, it's
it's hard because I'm sure that woman, like if she was letting her dogs
off leash and they were aggressive before, she's not going to be the type
of person to like I mean, I'm projecting, but she's not gonna be
the type of person that's gonna like try to work to train that out of
them, you know what I mean. All right, Well, you said
there was a bunch of kids outside, So my guess would be is that
these kids before running in and out and let the door open, the kids,
then the dogs got No, she was actively outside like rearranging. The
woman, the adult was like out in her backyard rearranging things with her dogs
around her with the kids. No, yeah, that's her. Yeah,
oh yeah No, it was very much on her, was not the kids
that just like let them out idiot. Yeah, So I don't know.
It's also hard because like that day that this happened, we started fencing in
our yard, like before this happened, because we were like, you know,
Sawyer can be off leash and it's fine, but Penny will and has
run away if you let go of the leash, So we have to just
stand in our yard holding her attached to a leash, which sucks. So
like, what's the middle ground? You just tie your dog up and leave
them and then they get super frustrated, or do you pull on us and
just have to stand attach to them all the time, which is probably the
best bet to make them the happiest. But like and not everyone can fence
in their yard. But if you can, I feel like that's your best
bet. Which if you cannot safely be off leash, and yes, you
have to have it tied up or you have to hold its leash. Yeah,
that's it's the only option. Like that's the way it is. Yep,
Like it sucks, You're right, it sucks. But if you're getting
a dog, you are committing to doing the things that suck for the dog.
Yeah, that's part of being a dog on Yeah, So the cop
was saying to me, like, you know, she can either just tie
them up, keep them on a leash, or like put up an electric
fence or an actual fence. But I was like, they are the dogs
that will blow through an electric fence that will not stop them. Yeah,
So because a lot of that happens with a lot of dogs, Like if
they're super aggresive, they're just going to blow through it. They don't care
if they get zapped, and depending on the dog, they might not even
feel it. So the trenaline's pumping and they just don't. Yeah, like
bigger breeds like Rottweilers and stuff, I'm sure it's hard to get through that
skin. And like even terriers have thick skin around their necks for a reason.
So yeah, yeah, So anyways, that's my story. I think
I need a beer. It's only like eleven am. Oh my god,
the was nude? Wow? We even chatting for beers? Then hell,
yeah, you know what, let's let's grab some beers and do our bonus
episode. Then I'm so down. Okay, let's do it. Let's wrap
this up. Okay, do you want to leave that in or you want
to cut that out? Oh? Really? Everybody poops? Yeah, I
guess yeah, and if you don't see a doctor. Now, I'm trying
to make jokes because i'muncomfortable from talking for so long. You did great,
ever, be very supportive. I know, well, because I feel like
if you're listening to this podcast, you're not You're not a dumb owner because
you care. Stiff tell you, I intentionally don't have any pets for a
reason. Yeah, first walk because my partner complex won't let me. But
also I can't properly take care of any pets right now, so I don't
have any. It's really hard, and I feel like I wish people talked
openly about it, more like when you have a lot of family members right
now with puppies and it's hard. It's like having a baby, and there's
all this new pressure on you to treat your dog like a baby, like,
oh, you can't leave your dog in the crate for X amount of
hours. You can't. You have to do this, this, and this
with them and make sure they go to school, and they should go to
daycare. It's nuts. I disagree with a lot of that, but those
are nice things to do. I don't think they're required. I mean,
we've had dogs for how many thousands of years and we haven't done that shit.
Like I think we'll be okay, but so I know we're towards the
end. And I haven't put statistics in until now, but I would be
remiss if we did not throw out some statistics. So according to the American
Veterinary Medical Association, and I'll throw a link to this article that I'm finding
this information from. But there are four point five million people in the US
a year that are bitten by dogs? Is that their own dogs? Is
that just doggs? Like? What are just okay? Any dog? What
do we count as a bite? A bite like being I mean, like
I've gotten they get if I'm playing with my brother's dog or with sore penny,
like like an aggressive I'm assuming this means an aggressive bite to the point
where you're like, I want to know, like, what are we talking
about? Somebody? But remember we talked with Jim Crosby and he was saying
like, if you're bitten by a small dog, you're probably not gonna report
it. This is like people reporting dog bites. So out of those four
point five million, eight hundred thousand received medical attention for dog bites according to
the CDC, really not that bad. That's about how many dogs. It's
a lot. Do you think about how many dogs there are. It's not
that bad. So these are animals. These aren't people. These are animals.
Like, well, still, it's a lot of people. It's a
lot of people, it is. But I don't think the numbers are that
bad. I do, one in five people, but my dogs require medical
attention, and children are the most common victims by far and are more likely
to be severely injured, which we talked about in our episode nineteen with Jim,
which is tragic. Ye. Most dog bites affecting young children occur during
everyday activities and while interacting with dogs that they know. Yep. So they
are animals, people. They are not teddy bears. They're not freaking stuffed
animals. They are animals. They will hurt you. And I also want
to talk about just really quick. So you remember Sam from episode one about
tigers. So apparently there is a video going around the internet of a tiger
killing a dog. Really yes, so Sam, you can follow her on
Twitter at Samantha I Am. And Sam did this thread about feral dogs in
India and she did not post. She posted a picture from the video,
but not the video itself, and it's literally a picture of a tiger sleeping
and a dog standing next to it staring at it. Oh yeah. So
in this thread, Sam goes on to say, like dogs pose a huge
risk to wildlife in India, like feral dogs, because in India there are
sixty million feral dogs. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so Sam in this thread
says, in some areas there are at least five feral dog attacks on people
per day. Jesus, Yeah, and that's feral. That's not even like
people's pet dogs, you know. Yeah. So I don't want to say
the situation here in America is better because it's still not great. Like we
can all still be better, but like dogs aren't. It's significantly better than
India, like we I think people, that's significantly better. Yeah, we
have way less feral dogs, but still like it's aggressive dogs are still a
problem. Just throw Aggresive dogs will always be a problem because they will always
be animals and not stuffed animals. Yeah, but they're domesticated. It's a
little different than just like owning a fucking cougar. Then why are they attacking
people? Because it's no different because they're still animals. Just say, I
wonder why those feral dog attacks happen, You know what I mean, Hunger?
I'd just say hunger. They're not getting food and you see someone walking
down the street with the fucking bastard fries, you with those fries, Maybe
maybe we should looking at that more. But anyways, this was our second
dog episode. I guess it's a third Jim Crosby one. Yeah, so
I know. It was all over the place, but that's where that's how
I am, that's how I exist lately. It's just all over the place.
Oliver got fucking ripped to shreds by his dogs, and he's still wolves.
Most of them as wolves a little different, very different, honestly,
and he still just has Oliver. If you're listening, after this incident happened
to me, I thought of you, and I was like, how because
remember in our Wolf episode, I was saying, like, I feel like
I've been underestimating wolves. I underestimated dogs. And I was like, oh,
dogs aren't scary. I know dogs, but like, I fucking I
get it now that they are which one wants to get you. So oh
yeah, yeah. So I have nothing but respect and compassion for those who
have been attacked as someone who was a most attacked and thankfully not Hey,
that's a good place stand it said the thing all right. So I'll put
some links in the episode description to that episode. On that episode on the
Bite End of the Dog with Laura, I can link to her Twitter as
well, and I will link to Sam's Twitter where you can see that thread
about the feral dog problem in India and read more about it. Awesome.
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I mean it's from the like the spread of saliva like it. It's a
saliva based diseased. I am a single man. I have not kissed anyone
in quite a long time. I will open that up to the whole world.
I have no fucking idea how I got. You must have shared drinks
with somebody. It's either from a vape or a drink or something. So
someone in your life has mono. Also, maybe I don't know, man,
it could be from someone. I'm talking to someone randomly and a piece
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there's so many random in your eyeball. I didn't know. I don't I
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