1 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:19,160 Welcome to episode thirty of Get Out a Live a podcast or me your host 2 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,239 Ashley every other week tells you a new animal attack story, and me your 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,559 other host, Nick, still has not been canceled up to episode thirty, 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,359 so we're doing pretty good. I think we're almost to a year of this. 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,119 Oh my god, you're right. Who was our first episode? I 6 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,159 want to say it came out in July. During July or August we recorded 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,039 in like before sure, yeah, oh my god. That's a really good 8 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:46,520 point. If it's like a one year birthday right now, July fourteenth is 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,920 our birthday or not? Yeah? What the fuck? Yeah? Oh my 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,880 god? Should we do a birthday bonus up or something? I'd be so 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,000 happy your birthday bonus. Hey, that's what we have our AMA thing. 12 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:59,799 So wow, we're getting sidetracked. Okay, so welcome to episode thirty. 13 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:03,000 We have add Yeah, we can talk about our bonus app in a second, 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,560 but Nick, you have someone to shout out, Oh my god, 15 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:07,719 I do. I just had the name up and they put my phone down 16 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:12,359 and now I'm all over the map. Cue the music. We would love 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:21,280 to thank Hannah Chase very very much before becoming our next fifteen dollars Expert Survivalist 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,680 Patreon member. You are amazing. We appreciate you. I'm sorry that my 19 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:30,640 shot out gets works and worse every time, but we appreciate you all so 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,719 so much, just because I think like after thirty episodes of this, you'd 21 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,480 get better, and you just don't. I don't, I get worse. 22 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:41,159 It's so good. I regress, not progress. I love bit. Thank 23 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,599 you so much, Hannah welcome. If you join us on patreon dot com 24 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:49,920 slash get at a live podcast, you can get different benefits for different tiers. 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,599 So we have a one dollar, a five dollars, and a fifteen 26 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:56,000 dollars level. So fifteen dollars is when you get shouted out. That's our 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,159 Expert Survivalist tier, and you get gifts from us every few months that are 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,599 kind of personalized. I guess in a way, I think about all of 29 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,760 you things that you like. Ask for input at least. Yeah, you 30 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:12,800 get to vote on episodes. You can ask experts questions at any level, 31 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:16,919 and we have bonus episodes, so we're doing an ask us Anything episode. 32 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:20,879 One of the questions is Nick, why are you here? Which I cannot 33 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,039 wait to hear the answer to now are we talking about the philosophical why am 34 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:25,960 I? Here? Are we talking about the why am I? On this 35 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:30,439 podcast? Because they are, I think we'll have time for both different answers. 36 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,039 I'm just gonna go on. Yeah, it's it's gonna be the me 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,120 episode where I just do whatever my brain tells me to do and it's gonna 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,360 be a mess. So that's kind of what this episode is, so I'll 39 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,199 be honest. It's been rough, just like existing. Yeah, we don't 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,919 count ourselves as a political podcast. We don't talk about politics much or at 41 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,199 all, as little as we can because, like you, guys come here 42 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:58,000 for animal attack stuff and that's what we try to stick to. If you 43 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,719 want to get into politics, you can go elsewhere. That being said, 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,439 with the overturning of Roe v Wade, I have been depressed, so I 45 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 have not put a whole lot of thought into what animal to research next because 46 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:14,240 I've been too focused on being upset. It's not like you've had anything else 47 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,199 major happened to you recently that might help with not needing to research another animal 48 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,000 or anything, and we can talk about on this podcast. Right. Yes, 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,240 I have a person she was attacked by dogs Okay, Yeah, so 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,280 that's we're gonna name this episode Ashley's Cautionary Tale and talk about what happened to 51 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:38,400 me and like things that I have taken from our podcast or might not have 52 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,520 taken and could have learned more from, and how what happened to me can 53 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:47,280 help you hopefully. Did you get out alive? Yes, we both did, 54 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Thank you very much, obviously, or else how would we be doing 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,960 this. Apple has a lot of cool technology. We can talk to the 56 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,400 dead. That's true and horrifying, So let's skip right over that. So, 57 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,719 yeah, what we're talking about today is an incident that happened with me, 58 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:05,120 and if you follow me on any social media or know me, you've 59 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:09,360 heard a little bit about it. I texted Nick pretty much immediately as I 60 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,879 got home from it happened, just like I love when bad things happen to 61 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:16,399 me, and I text you the veguest things and like really short text messages, 62 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:20,279 but like multiple short text messages that are very vague, and my responses 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,560 you're the same of Okay, like who do I need to go kill? 64 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 But should we get into it? I've worried you, so let's go. 65 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,240 I don't know how long this episode's gonna be I'm sorry to be so all 66 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,160 over the place. I've just been mad, and also focusing on like how 67 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:42,399 to use angry energy towards making good. So we're gonna take my angry energy 68 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,160 from what happened to me and try to make it into something useful here. 69 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Hell yeah, So I guess to preface, I have I have a lot 70 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,279 of experience with dogs, would you agree? Yes? Yeah. Like my 71 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,480 first dog that I lived with and trained and owned was a purebred black German 72 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,399 shepherd who was pretty dog aggressive, meaning he would attack other dogs, so 73 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:05,279 that's aggressive. He also came after me one time, okay, came after 74 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:09,120 you. Was he would bark at people and run at them coming into our 75 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,160 house, but he'd just bark at you. He was a big baby. 76 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,000 And then I barked at him and ran at him in and he was like 77 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:17,000 respect. So definitely definitely the way to do it. Yeah, yeah, 78 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:19,800 ten out of ten recommendation. No, it's so dumb, don't do that. 79 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,120 Don't do that people. I was a young child, and I was 80 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:26,560 dumb. Well that being said, I was like, gosh, I was 81 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,319 little when we got Cosmo, that shepherd, and I used to walk him 82 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,399 by myself because Nick and I lived in a city or a New Hampshire equivalent 83 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:39,160 of a city, the second largest city in New Hampshire, so it was 84 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,519 like a big, decently sized town yeah for like other states. But no 85 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,240 one ever approached me when I was walking him because he looked so scary and 86 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,759 was so like anti people that weren't his people. Now he was full on 87 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,600 police dog, like he's scary ass Mo. Yeah, I mean when police 88 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,199 came to our house, they were like, please put that dog somewhere. 89 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,600 Yeah, he was God, he was something. So I wasn't the best 90 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,360 dog owner back then because I was a child and didn't know things. But 91 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,600 I had a few cases with him where dogs came at us. So, 92 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,360 like I lived in a neighborhood that was a loop, and I like to 93 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:21,279 think there's a difference between a showy aggressive dog and like a dog that actually 94 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:25,519 wants to kill your dog. Because Cosmo was very like boo boo boo, 95 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,879 like putting on a show, was a jerk, but like never would try 96 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,160 to kill another dog. But we had one instance where we were walking on 97 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,399 like the other side of our street and someone had a loose dog in their 98 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:41,560 yard. And I saw the dog see us, and then it quietly ran 99 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:46,519 behind a truck to like surprise us and was silent and then came at us. 100 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,079 He didn't even notice he was looking in the opposite direction. I just 101 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,439 screamed at it, and then it turned around, thank god, because it 102 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,839 would have been a bloodbath. We had one other instance where these people were 103 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,759 sitting in their yard with a Jack Russell that was off leash, and it 104 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,800 came running at us, barking, and Cosmo just lifted a paw and smacked 105 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,279 it, like literally slapped it, and then it yeah, and then it 106 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,040 whined and ran away, like down the street, away from its owners. 107 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:16,519 So I'm just like, oh my god, eh, and Cosmo like normally 108 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,399 he would have lost his mind, but he just looked at it and I 109 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:23,240 kept walking like I can't even be bothered. Yeah, definitely not. It 110 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,199 was hilarious. So anyways, there was that, and then in college for 111 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:31,839 like two years, I worked with a team of Siberian huskies that were slood 112 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:36,240 dogs. There were so many times where they legitimately tried to kill each other, 113 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,399 and all of these instances that I'm sharing, I've never been like afraid 114 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:43,199 of dogs, I've never had an instance where I was like I'm in danger, 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,120 and even the worst fight I ever had with those huskies, which I'll 116 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,079 briefly share because why not. We're in a dog episode. The owner of 117 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,920 the sled dog kennel was away and I was watching the dogs, and they 118 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:57,720 live outside because they're Siberian Husky flood dogs and they prefer that. And honestly, 119 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,720 you don't want twenty one huskies in your house. It's a lot of 120 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:03,879 fur. So we'd have different playgroups, so you can't have all of them 121 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,319 o at the same time because that's just asking for a disaster. So I 122 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,759 think it was in a season where the females were in heat, so I 123 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,160 had just the boys out, and then i'd have just the females out. 124 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,000 So I had all the boys out, and there was this one dog named 125 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,519 Junior who was like my favorite. I loved him very much, and a 126 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,639 lot of them were related, so like Junior's whole litter basically lived there, 127 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,920 and Junior's dad, Sonny, was there. Junior was like, quote unquote 128 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,080 the alpha male, like they all respected him and he like didn't put up 129 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,759 with any crap. So on this day, I let all of them out. 130 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:41,440 Junior's brother Elvis decided on this day, I'm done listening to him and 131 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:43,720 tried to kill him. So they got into a fight, and I was 132 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,039 screaming, like hey, knock it off, trying to separate them. I 133 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,639 only had with me an intern, who was like it was her second time 134 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,679 being there, I think, so she had no idea what to do. 135 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,120 I tried spraying them with the hoes. Didn't stop. Now I had like 136 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,679 to at least ten other dogs out with me at this time. I'm not 137 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:03,600 Joe. Every other dog ganged up on Junior and tried to kill Junior, 138 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,039 and he like didn't know what to do because this is never happening before, 139 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,159 which is fair. I didn't know what to do because I was like, 140 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,720 how do you stop? Like ten against one? So he tried to like 141 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:20,000 squeeze between one of the kennels and like this wooden pole and got stuck for 142 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:22,759 a second. Elvis grabbed his back leg and tried to like yank it off. 143 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,679 As that's happening, another dog goes under a ladder and the ladder falls 144 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,399 onto another dog. Jesus, yeah, So I finally, like Junior gets 145 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,200 out of there. He runs towards like the outer fence, and I had 146 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,320 to like physically block him with my body and like stand in front of him 147 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,080 and pin him against the fence and scream at the other dogs to stop, 148 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,960 and they finally did. But like, even then, I did not think 149 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,960 that the other huskies were gonna kill me. You know, yeah it didn't. 150 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,919 So, I mean, like they got into a scuffle, Junior had 151 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,039 like a puncture wound his chest. By the next day, everyone was fine. 152 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,480 The wound was like gone. It was incredible because dogs are animals, 153 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,919 they're incredibly resilient. It's nuts. But even then I wasn't afraid of that. 154 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,759 I was like, I've got this loosely. So two weeks ago now, 155 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,840 I think it was like a week and a half. Yeah, it 156 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,720 was the week of the release of our software episode, the episode in which 157 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,399 Nick made fun of my dog Penny. And I feel like you somehow manifested 158 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:20,200 this to happen to us. It's all your stop. Stop stop with that. 159 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,080 We're not having this conversation again, especially not in front of all these 160 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:30,279 people. This is fault. So oh so I have two dogs, Sawyer 161 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,360 and Penny, And if you follow me on social media, beauty. Sawyer 162 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,000 is a very handsome boy. He's also, in case we haven't mentioned before, 163 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,960 is beautiful. He's seventy five pounds. He's a shepherd mix. And 164 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,840 then we have Penny and she is a terrier mix who's like twenty something pounds. 165 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,360 She's also cute. That is not to be debated. Moving on. 166 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,279 The silence will speak for itself. She's adorable. I'll post pictures of her 167 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,799 and we'll get everyone's take. Fuck you name, I'm gonna lose that. 168 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,120 What do you mean? Yeah, now it's gonna vote on Twitter that your 169 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:01,440 dog's ugly. She's like a little old man cute, like she's got a 170 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,480 little mustache. She smiles and people she's great. It's just the classic female 171 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:11,879 beauty of mustache. Yeah, no, shame. Yeah, so she is. 172 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:18,320 She's a classic terrier. So she uh, how do I put this? 173 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,840 She is afraid of other dogs and started becoming afraid of other dogs when 174 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,240 she hit like six months old. It was crazy, like before that she 175 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:26,320 was fine, she can meet other dogs play, and then as soon as 176 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,120 she hit that six months absolutely not even dogs that she had played with before 177 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,840 besides our dog's Sawyer, Like, no, but she goes to daycare and 178 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:39,799 she's fine. It's weird. So she, in true terrier fashion, when 179 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,200 she sees another dog that she's afraid of, she will run at them and 180 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,440 bite them, because terriers run at things they're afraid of and bite them, 181 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,240 especially things that are larger than them. So that's been fun. Nick has 182 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,519 seen it firsthand with his brother's dog. We went on a hike once and 183 00:11:54,519 --> 00:12:00,639 Penny was the sweetest she is. Yeah, my brother's dog is the nicest 184 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,360 lab in the world. Like could not care. She doesn't even care about 185 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:07,399 other dogs. She snapped at Sawyer, just saying, oh, sort of 186 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,799 trying to bang her. No, he just she was under table. He 187 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,480 was sniffing her, and then she was like, get away from me. 188 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,720 Anyways, this is all conjecture. So so Penny went up to Nick's brother's 189 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,840 dog and just bitter in the neck, and then we went on to hike 190 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,080 and then they played and it was fine. It was weird. This is 191 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,679 all to say that every day or every other day when she's not a daycare, 192 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,399 I take her for a walk or my partner takes her for a walk 193 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:33,000 around their neighborhood to like train her to be less afraid of dogs because our 194 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,759 neighborhood is full of dog owners who just either tie their dock up outside to 195 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,840 bark at everybody and everything and get super frustrated, or people let their dogs 196 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,399 off leash. I do that with Sawyer in my yard, but it's because 197 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,879 my yard is tucked behind my house, so you can't see the street from 198 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,840 my yard, and behind my house is woods, so Sawyer either goes in 199 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,000 the woods or he's in our yard. And also if another dog is around 200 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,440 and he looks at it and starts to go ooh, if I yell at 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,399 him, he comes back. And also he's not dog aggressive, like he'll 202 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,200 just walk up and be like, hey, what's up. So we take 203 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,159 Penny out and we do like specific training to help her not be afraid of 204 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,360 other dogs, and she's gotten really, really good. It's taken a fucking 205 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,200 the entire time we've had her, and she's now on prozac to calm her 206 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:20,080 down, like it's a whole thing. So she's been doing well. We 207 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,720 can walk her past houses with dogs like lunging and snapping at her, and 208 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,559 she can like just keep on going and not get upset. So in this 209 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,000 day, I get home from work. I take her out, and there's 210 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,840 not many places to go in my street, like I'm on a dead end, 211 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,279 and basically I can just do a loop, and I know which houses 212 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,480 have dogs that are aggressive in which the house is to like watch out for, 213 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,840 essentially, So I go around the corner and I come upon this house 214 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,919 and I think, I can't remember now if I had been there before, 215 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,799 but I know my partner was like, hey, there was these two dogs, 216 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,759 but we'd have a problem. So I was like, okay, Actually 217 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,120 to backtrack. Before I even left the house, I was wearing sandals, 218 00:13:56,279 --> 00:14:01,559 and I'm pretty sure we mentioned in the dog episode with Jim Crosby make sure 219 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,440 you have the right gear. So I was like, sandals are bad because 220 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,519 I could easily slip. So I put on like some boots, and I 221 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:15,200 even had the thought I should carry pepper spray and I was like no, 222 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,039 like whatever, I'll be fine, And I had a fanny pack full of 223 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,480 dog treats and like waistbags whatever. So we're walking and we come up on 224 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,159 this house that I knew my partner said had had dogs, and I saw 225 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,159 two dogs. So there was a woman outside with two toddler children, and 226 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,000 then these two dogs. So I stopped and had Penny like go into a 227 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,559 sit, have her chill, and I was like, I should turn around, 228 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:39,759 but I was so early into the walk that like, if I turn 229 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:43,080 around, I just have to go home, like there was really nowhere else 230 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,919 to go, yea, against my better judgment, I walked by the house 231 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:50,840 and the dogs didn't see her, And once I got to the other side 232 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,480 of the house, I didn't see the dogs. I was like, oh 233 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:56,440 cool, great, And across from this house is a church where there's also 234 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,399 sometimes a loose dog and a bunch of of children. So Penny sniffing something, 235 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,519 so like okay, So there's this house on the left side of the 236 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,080 street that has these two off leashtogs, and then on the right side of 237 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,679 the street across from them as the church with like a big parking lot. 238 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,120 So Penny is facing towards the church sniffing something, and I have anxiety, 239 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,399 so I'm constantly looking around for things to come out like that are dangerous. 240 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,039 So as Penny sniffing, I turned and I just see this big black and 241 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,080 brown dog coming at us, but like quietly, I don't think it even 242 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,159 had a caller on because I didn't hear any tags, or if it did, 243 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,840 it didn't have tags. Within I had like seconds, so I scooped 244 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,399 Penny up. Oh god, I'm even like getting anxious talking about it. 245 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,840 So he scooped Penny up, and she like had no idea what was going 246 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,600 on, and I just started screaming like no, and it stopped for a 247 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:48,759 second and like looked at me as if it was confused, like why are 248 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:54,600 you yelling at me? But it kept looking between me and Penny like as 249 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,679 if trying to decide, like should I jump, Like that was my first 250 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:00,200 thought that it was going to try to jump on it, And I was 251 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,759 like, if this dog jumps on us, like I have nothing to do. 252 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Penny's leash is super short because we're working on healing, Like if I 253 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,200 let her go, she's gone, and if I hold her now, I'm 254 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:17,120 stuck fighting this dog with Penny like three feet for me. So as I'm 255 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:22,159 deciding these things holding Penny, a second dog equally as large comes running. 256 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,679 This second dog. Clearly, to me from like my experience with dog behavior, 257 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,159 looked just like it was tagging along with the first dog, like it 258 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,159 didn't really it wasn't really necessarily aggressive. It was just like what do we 259 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,159 do? Like, what are we go? So this first dog is barking. 260 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,799 Penny is snapping at them, also, thank god, not trying to 261 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,159 get out of my arms, like she was like, hey, get away 262 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,279 from us. But she wasn't like let me at him, you know, 263 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:48,120 yeah, or maybe she was, I don't know. It was a little 264 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:53,600 blurry. So I'm screaming hey at them or just hay in general, I 265 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:59,480 don't see the owner a house two houses down down the street, there are 266 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,080 two people outside doing stuff to their car. They never fucking did anything, 267 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:06,079 and it still pisses me off. They never came over to try to help. 268 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:11,519 They never yelled, nothing fucked them. So here I am holding Penny. 269 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,480 I have nothing with me besides my body and treats. All I could 270 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,839 think to do was throw treats at them. And I just had like freeze 271 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,400 dried chickens, so I'm just throwing handfuls of chicken at them. The first 272 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,440 dog was still stare like coming after us. Because I started walking to the 273 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:29,920 church parking lot to get away from them and like make space, and they 274 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,880 that first dog just kept coming. The second dog was sniffing the treats like 275 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,559 m I'm interested. But this first dog, it was the first time in 276 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,000 my life where I felt like a dog was gonna hurt me, and the 277 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:45,480 first time I felt like I didn't have control over the city. Well, 278 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,359 not like I mean, clearly I had enough control of that husky situation, 279 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,039 but like, that was the first time I felt like things could go really 280 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,359 bad and that it could hurt me if you were actively involved in the dog 281 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,559 wanted to do damns to something like you were a point of interest. Would 282 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:02,920 have bitten me, and it would have tried to kill Penny, and it 283 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,799 easily could have killed Penny. It was like the size of sawyer. So 284 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:10,200 I'm screaming. I'm screaming, and finally the owner comes and she's like, 285 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,000 hey, get over here, and she's yeng at them. I think she 286 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:17,119 said she was sorry, and then she got the dogs and took them back 287 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,319 to her house. I at some point, I don't know have much time 288 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,359 passed, but I finally put Penny down the ground and she just like sat 289 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,000 down. And I wanted so badly to scream at this person and be like, 290 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,920 what are you Why are your dogs off leash? What are you doing 291 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,119 you're a piece of shit. But I was so worked up and afraid that 292 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,279 they were gonna jump on us and try to kill Penny that I was just 293 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,240 like, like about to cry and lose it. So she gets back to 294 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,960 her house, I can see her rounding up the children in the yard to 295 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,960 bring into the house. I don't know if a part of me thought she 296 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,119 was gonna come back and like say she was sorry, or check on me. 297 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,839 So Penny's on the ground, I'm kneeling next to her. I'm just 298 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,200 giving her treats, just like you're good, you're good, You're good, 299 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,279 and making sure that she's okay. I'm sobbing because I was like, this 300 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:12,039 could ruin all of her training, Like we've put in so much time and 301 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:17,119 effort and money into this to make sure that she feels safe and this just 302 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,880 happened and it could ruin everything. So as I'm sitting there thinking all of 303 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,559 this and thinking like, is the dog at the church gonna come out? 304 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,240 Because there's an awfully sh dog there, I hear someone yell, hey, 305 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:30,119 are you okay? And I look up and from the direction that I came, 306 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,599 there's this woman running towards us who'd never seen before, and I literally 307 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,200 just waved her off because I was sobbing so I couldn't respond. She came 308 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:41,079 over and she was like, oh my gosh. She like, don't cry, 309 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,359 it's okay, and I was like, I just I'm so worked up 310 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,119 because I try so hard and she's so afraid. She was like, I 311 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,599 know, I see you walking her all the time, and she listens to 312 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,160 you so well, and she's been doing really good, which made me cry 313 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:59,759 for more the fact that my neighbors noticed. So she was the nicest person. 314 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,359 She had pepper spray with her and she was like, if they come 315 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,440 back, like, don't worry. Yeah, she was ready. She came 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 good for her. She said, I've had to fucking call the cops on 317 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,880 her before because she lets her dogs off leash and they run at people. 318 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,640 I was like, do you mean so come to find out, she's actually 319 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,000 my neighbor that I like a butt a house with, and she has a 320 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:21,599 dog that's outside barking all the time. And I met him and his name's 321 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,720 Enzo. He is very sweet and the best. And she was like, 322 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,079 they have run at those dogs have come at me before, especially that first 323 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,279 one, the black brown one. Even when I don't have my dog, 324 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,359 Like they're aggressive towards strange people, Like I said, like the church across 325 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,000 the street has kids at it all the time. She was like, I've 326 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,480 had to call the cops on her before because like she doesn't have any control 327 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,319 over them, they're aggressive whatever. So she was so nice. She sat 328 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,359 with me for like ten minutes until I was okay to walk home, and 329 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,960 I was like, how the fuck am I going to get home? I'm 330 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:56,160 so worked up. Penny is obviously like a little on edge. She was 331 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,640 like, call the cops, let them know what happened to you so it 332 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 doesn't have to happen again. I was like, Okay, I get home. 333 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,759 Penny was a baller. She we walked by a house that had a 334 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,240 dog that was tied to the house that was barking her and lunging at her, 335 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,640 and she, like you could tell she wasn't necessarily like, ah, 336 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,400 that's scary. She was like, I just want to go home. Yeah. 337 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,480 Yeah. She was looking at me and whining like, I just want 338 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,000 to go home. I get home. My partner's in the backyard somehow did 339 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:27,599 not hear any of this happen, and I just burst out crying and he's 340 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,480 like, what the heck? And as I'm crying, Penny is whining at 341 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:36,079 me like felt bad that I was crying and was nervous that I was crying. 342 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,440 So it was I don't know it. We bonded over, we trauma 343 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,640 bonded. I feel like I love her more now that we've trauma bonded over 344 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,440 this. So called the cops and was like, this just happened to me, 345 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,279 and they were like, yeah, your neighbor just called us and let 346 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,559 us know too, which I was like, super nice. So the owner 347 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:57,279 never came back and checked on us. Fuck her. So the cop comes 348 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:02,559 and he's like, I was at her house a month ago because of this 349 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,359 like a similar situation, like her dogs were off leash, just like wandering 350 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,559 the street, and we don't like we live in a busy street and it's 351 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,759 like there's a lot of houses here. It's not like a sleepy little town. 352 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,359 So the cop says to me, like, there, the leash law 353 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,680 in my town does not specifically say a dog has to be on a leash. 354 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:25,319 It just says the dog has to be under your control. So he 355 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,480 went to her house and told her, like, you know, you have 356 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:30,799 to put up a fence, or you have to tie these dogs up somehow, 357 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,559 or like keep them on a leash, because like this can't keep happening, 358 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:41,240 or you can be arrested, so a few things. I should have 359 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,279 brought something else with me. And I will say, like I did beat 360 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,000 myself up at first, and I was, and I'm pretty sure I texted 361 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,599 you and I was like I wish I had done better, but you were 362 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,079 like, Penny is fine and you are fine, Like neither you got hurt. 363 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,880 What you did was fine, clearly, yes, So I just had 364 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,759 this weird guilt of like I should have done more. I should have had 365 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:04,279 Pepper Spey with me. I should have had an umbrella, like we talked 366 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:07,759 to Jim about, like he gave us a bunch of things to protect yourself 367 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:12,519 against this happening. And like, obviously it worked because I like we're fine, 368 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,799 and yeah, she's like taking a few steps back in her training and 369 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,160 now is like a little more anxious on our walks, And honestly, I 370 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,759 haven't walked her as much because now when I go over there, I'm terrified 371 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,960 and I get super worked up. So now my partner has come with me. 372 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:33,279 We have to like fucking walk together and bring some sort of weapon to 373 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:34,599 make sure that we're fine. We haven't seen the dogs again, but I've 374 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,400 only walked her two times since then past that house, and I will say 375 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:45,200 she is not afraid of that house, which is great, Like she doesn't 376 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,519 like get all anxious around it. She doesn't look around, which have had 377 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,119 happened to dogs in the past, like Cosmo when that dog ran at us, 378 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,559 he would always get nervous around the house. But Penny has it, 379 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,720 which is great. But I've talked for a long time. Do you want 380 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:04,359 to say anything not? This is your story story. So obviously having this 381 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,759 podcast was helpful because we've talked to Jim. We had a two part episode 382 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:14,240 with Jim, which was episode nineteen I believe, Yeah, nineteen nineteen point 383 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,720 five, and PARTY was kicking myself, like I didn't take all of the 384 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:21,119 advice he gave us, but I guess like throwing treats is really the best 385 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,200 I could do at the time. But there was another podcast I had listened 386 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,559 to last year at some point, and it's the same podcast that Jim Crosby 387 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,240 was on. It's called The Bitie End of the Dog with Mike Chicasio. 388 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,839 Episode ten of his podcast is with Laura Monico Torelli, and she is a 389 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,079 dog trainer, like a certified dog trainer, and she owns Rhodesian ridgbacks in 390 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,599 Chicago. And this episode that she did with him, she tells her it's 391 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,359 an hour long episode and I highly encourage you to listen to it. But 392 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,519 it was about when she was attacked. And I actually contacted her because I 393 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,880 wanted to talk about this story and how it related and informed what happened to 394 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,440 me. And I was like, you can come in the podcast and talk 395 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,400 about it, but also like it's very traumatic what happened to her now that 396 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,359 it's something similar has happened to me, Like I totally get not wanting to 397 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,519 talk about it. And she left me the kindest voicemail I have ever received 398 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,319 from anybody, and she was like, I'm fine with that coming on the 399 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,279 podcast, but like I'm honored that you want to tell my story. Like, 400 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:19,559 definitely tell people to go listen to that episode if they want to hear 401 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400 like of the bity end of the dog, if they want to hear exactly 402 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,039 what happened to her. And she said, like I'm holding a safe space 403 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,119 for you in my heart, and I was like, oh, it was 404 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240 so nice. So I'm gonna make a long story short because I think you 405 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,720 should go listen to her episode. But she was walking her dog, Veto, 406 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,079 who's a Rhodesian bridge back, when he was nine months old, in 407 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,759 Chicago, and she had lived in that neighborhood in Chicago for twenty years and 408 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:48,000 had other Rhodesian bridgebacks, so she had walked the same path a bunch of 409 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,480 times. So there was this one day she was walking Veto and literally out 410 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,480 of nowhere, an awfully sh dog came up behind them and like pinned him 411 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,400 to the ground and was attacking him, and she had seconds to respond, 412 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,759 so she when the dog came up for a second, she blocked her dog's 413 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,440 body with her body and was just like screaming for help and trying to stop 414 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:14,480 this dog from attacking her dog. And then a second dog came and they 415 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:18,720 both like for minutes, were attacking her dog, had him pinned on the 416 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,559 ground, were like trying to kill him, and she used her body to 417 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:29,200 cover his neck and his head and was trying to push them away and they 418 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,079 were biting her hand. So this was like really really bad in Chicago, 419 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,799 where there is a leash, a law that specifically says your dog has to 420 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,920 be an a leash. Laws in Chicago that aren't followed. So well, 421 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:44,559 yeah, I mean clearly so. She said, like after minutes of this, 422 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,279 finally she just like saw a sneaker and someone grabbed one of the dogs, 423 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:49,359 and then like the first dog was gone, then the second dog was 424 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,200 gone. They were just walking away. They didn't say anything to her, 425 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,160 They just grabbed the dogs and walked away. There were so many bystanders. 426 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,640 I'm assuming she said, there was like two people across the street like on 427 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,880 their phone, but like you would run over to help if you saw someone's 428 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240 dog being attacked and saw someone being attacked by two dogs, like what the 429 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,079 hell? Once again, go listen to the podcast. She gets into more 430 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,000 detail about it. But what kind of dogs attack them? She just said 431 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:18,720 that there were two large dogs. She didn't saybacks, it's a big dog. 432 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,400 Those are big, badass dogs, Like those aren't just like fucking those 433 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,359 aren't just huskies, Like those things are lion hunters. Yeah, I know, 434 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,039 they are legit badass. I think it was because they got him so 435 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,960 off guard, you know, like they came up had to just jump them 436 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,759 out of yeah, and with two of them of course. Yeah, So 437 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,359 she had to go to the ear and her dog had to go to the 438 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,519 er. And you can hear more about it in that podcast episode. But 439 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,440 like he's never been the same since, and like he's never gonna be okay 440 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,079 with strange dogs because it was very traumatic. The things she talked about in 441 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,559 that story and the things she talked about the end, like here are things 442 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,599 I would have done differently or things she does now to Like she likes to 443 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,640 play a lot, so she has a frisbee that says do not approach on 444 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,480 it when she has her dog with her if she sees someone else coming towards 445 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:08,640 them with the dog, and like she has other things like that, like 446 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,839 shirts that say like do not approach and stuff. I'm pretty sure. So 447 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,920 she like just like flashed the frisbee at them if they start walking. Yeah, 448 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240 exactly, like, no, don't come towards us. I've always had 449 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,319 that in the back of my mind, like that story because she was just 450 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,359 like she cries as she talks about it because it was so traumatic and it 451 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,039 happened now three years ago, and like I almost had to go home the 452 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,359 day after work, because I felt like I was just gonna have a panic 453 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,799 attack all day because I couldn't stop think about it. I couldn't stop thinking 454 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,319 about like seeing that dog running towards us. Nothing even happened to us, 455 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,799 like we weren't bitting or anything, so I can't imagine like me and my 456 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,079 dog almost being harmed. And also the thing that really got me was like, 457 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,839 thank god I wasn't walking Sawyer because I cannot pick him up. Yeah, 458 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,119 and he's eight years old. He has hyptasplasia. If two dogs were 459 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,039 attacking him, like I would have had to do the same thing as Laura, 460 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,519 and like he used my body and I probably would have I don't know. 461 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,960 I like to think what I would have done. I have no idea. 462 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,680 Yeah, you never know. Un So you're in the no And we've 463 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,880 had another dog. We were walking Sawyer in Penny once and we had an 464 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,759 awfully stog run at us. But it was like a golden retriever, like 465 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,200 a young golden Retriever that just wanted to play and be friends, like you 466 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,880 could tell in his body lang which he was like, oh wiggily. And 467 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400 then it came close and Sawyer snapped at him like he was gonna bite him, 468 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,400 and then the puppy was like oh shit and went home. But like 469 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,440 these two dogs, it wouldn't Yeah, it would have been a bloodbath. 470 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200 And I couldn't stop thinking about that, like what if the what ifs? 471 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:40,279 You know. Yeah, so it was a very dramatic experience. Yeah, 472 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:45,079 clearly, I obviously, you and I try to be really respectful of people 473 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,039 that we talk about who have been attacked by animals, depending unless no, 474 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,480 I'm not gonna lie, it depends. Yeah. Well, I mean I 475 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,400 feel like there haven't been a ton of stories we've covered where the people like 476 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,640 ask for it, you know what I mean. Yeah, So I just 477 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,039 came back of this with like so much more respect for everyone that we've talked 478 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,119 about. I mean, obviously the cases we talk about are usually pretty terrible 479 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,119 and scary, and I couldn't stop thinking about the bison episode that we did 480 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:18,960 where the guy who was attacked went back and his girlfriend was attacked, and 481 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,240 then he kept going back to that area to go like hiking and stuff, 482 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,440 and I was like that must, yeah, take so much courage, because 483 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,359 even walking around my neighborhood, I'm like afraid and I was approached by two 484 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,720 aggressive dogs, not even like gored by a bison, you know. Yeah, 485 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,920 so I don't know. I just came out of it with so much 486 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,319 more respect for people and how scary it could be. I think, like 487 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,440 the important thing is to take out this so that you did do the right 488 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160 things. You distracted the dogs the best you could. You do something you 489 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,559 had to distract them, Like you took your dog out of the situation as 490 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,000 much as you could. Yeah, you did everything that you could with what 491 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,079 you had. So yeah, like now when you go out, like you 492 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,200 should be taken out of the perspray with you. You should be. It's 493 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,839 a great thing. You put on the right shoes. You've made that decision 494 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,480 there. So you're sitting here think about all the things that you could have 495 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,519 done better when you did everything right, you did it like you think about 496 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,000 the what IFFs, but like if all right, let's put in the what 497 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,160 IFFs you're going to response to in the right way, because you just responded 498 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,880 to all these things in the right way. Yeah, your reactions were right. 499 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440 You know, you have to trust your reactions. And I think if 500 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,599 other things did happen, you would have found a way to get out of 501 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,160 it correctly because that's what you do. Thanks, you're welcome. I just 502 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,720 I can't stop thinking of it. Was Sawyer like no, no, shade 503 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,960 de Penny, but like Sawyer is my guy. He's different. Yeah, 504 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,200 he's like my other half. And if something happens, oh oh my god. 505 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,119 Also, training an eight year old dog to not be dog aggressive would 506 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,559 take more work, I'm assuming than in a one year old, but that 507 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,920 would be almost impossible. Yeah, and he's oh god. Yeah, and 508 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160 he's not like the friendliest dog in the world either, Like he does want 509 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240 space, Like he's not things dog aggressive, but he wants space. Yeah, 510 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,079 you know, yeah, he's very like he's a classic shepherd, where 511 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:05,759 like he likes me and that's about im ball and that's about it. He 512 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,559 likes everyone in his moments. But when you want space and you try to 513 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:14,240 invade that space, he will make it clear. He is not aggressive, 514 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,440 but he will make it clear to stay away to other dogs. Do you 515 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,200 mean like to people tell the dogs? Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, 516 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,200 I mean he has really good social skills, is the difference, whereas Penny 517 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:29,440 is like just just defensive all the time, a terror. Yeah, so 518 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,680 I guess coming away from this. If you have a dog that you can't 519 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,319 physically pick up, I highly suggest walking with somebody else who does not have 520 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:43,880 a dog, so that way one of you can fend off the other dog 521 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,599 and one of you can attend to your dog, which like obviously you can't 522 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,279 do all the time and that sucks. Or if you have a dog that 523 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,680 you can't pick up, like you gotta have something with you. And I 524 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,039 was thinking of it, like, you know, I'm not gonna start carry 525 00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:58,759 an umbrella with me because to me, that just doesn't it just seems like 526 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,039 a juggling act. If a dog is coming at you, Yeah, and 527 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:06,480 you have a dog you're attached to with a leash, You're not going to 528 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:12,160 have probably the time to open an umbrella or to pop up in a trash 529 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440 bag or something. So pepper spray seems like the best bed. Yeah, 530 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,400 I mean, that's important that you get a pepper spray holster then at the 531 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,839 same time, so you have to go digging into your fanny pack and find 532 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,640 it. Yeah, make a big deal. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 533 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,920 I mean in my case, I could have easily like lifted Penny up 534 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,839 and then sprayed them because they weren't leaving, you know, I was because 535 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,440 I was one handing one arming her and then throwing treats with the other hand. 536 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,319 So yeah, yeah, So just I think it's important if you have 537 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,440 a dog one keep them on a leash or under your control so this doesn't 538 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,680 happen to somebody else because of you. Thanks. Two, like, make 539 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,559 sure if you do have a dog that you can't lift up, that you 540 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,640 have some sort of thing to protect yourself and your dog. And this doesn't 541 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,480 even have to be towards like other dogs approaching you. It could be wild 542 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,400 animals that are approaching you, you know, yes, yeah. And once 543 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,599 this happened to me, I shared it on Facebook, which, like I 544 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,960 barely ever post on Facebook because it's a hell hole, But it was crazy 545 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,559 to me the amount of people of my life who responded and were like this 546 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,840 happened to me. Like I had one childhood friend who this was so sad. 547 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,079 She has a dog that was like horribly abused by men, and she 548 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,119 was like, yeah, we did training to like make her less afraid and 549 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,320 make her okay walking downtown and then one night some drunk ey got in her 550 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:37,920 face and screamed at her, and she like just totally regressed and was terrified 551 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,159 again. Like, oh, like in that case, that sucks because you 552 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,000 can't just pepper spray a dude for yelling in your dogs. I mean you 553 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,639 can, and I but absolutely would. Yeah, but yeah, just things 554 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,400 like that, like don't approach dogs that clearly don't want to be approached by 555 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,559 you. I've had people approach, like just people not with their dogs, 556 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,440 but people approach me with two dogs that are snapping and barking at them, 557 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,599 and it's like, clearly, my dogs do not want you closer to us, 558 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:08,320 Please stay away from us. Yeah. Just be a respectful dog owner, 559 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:14,599 be a considerate dog owner, or be just a considerate person around dogs. 560 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,320 Just don't be an asshole. Don't be an asshole. Don't be an 561 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,880 asshole. It's really that's simple. That's like the secrets of life is just 562 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,079 don't be an asshole. Be a nice human. That's a thing that's on 563 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,559 shirts now. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Let's make a be 564 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:36,599 a nice human shirt. Yeah. It's hard, it's a right, Yeah. 565 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,599 I just it was crazy because after it happened, I could barely talk 566 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,880 about it without crying. Like the day after I went to work, and 567 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,239 I was just so out of it and told my boss, like something happened 568 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,960 to me. I'm not ready to talk about it yet, but like if 569 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,760 i'm I'm freaking out. Yeah, I'm freaking out internally. Yeah it was 570 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,719 bad. Yeah, So what would you like to have done to these dogs? 571 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,119 In my heart, this is gonna sound mean, but my heart of 572 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,639 hearts, I wish she didn't have them. That's okay. I don't think 573 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,920 that's really a mean thing at all. Like, I don't think they's a 574 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,039 history of these things coming after people. Yeah, And I don't think they 575 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,559 should be put down. I just think that they should be with someone who's 576 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,440 more responsible because, like I don't know, being a dog owner nowadays, 577 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,119 like there's a lot of pressure with it. Weirdly, there's a lot of 578 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,199 legal responsibility with them. Well there is, right, and but I think 579 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,280 that there's a lot of pressure nowadays to be like to treat your dogs like 580 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,639 their children, to do everything you can for your dog and make sure your 581 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:31,920 dog has the best life it should. Which like, obviously, if you 582 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,519 love your dogs, do it. But there are a lot of people in 583 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,400 my neighborhood who just have their dogs like tie, like they just tie them 584 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,320 up outside and leave them. And I think that used to be like the 585 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,039 thing to do, and now that's seen as like you're a bad owner. 586 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,400 Well, I mean, I think there's an important distinction between having them tied 587 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440 up outside, which is a safe way to have a dog, yeah, 588 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,199 and laying them loose, which might make them happier, which is great. 589 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,360 Your dog's happier. Guess what, they're not trained well enough or responsible enough. 590 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,320 And it's also just a terrible fucking idea and they might go do dumb 591 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,519 shit. So treating them like a like a child is not a good thing 592 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,280 because we don't tie up our children. We should be Oh I see media. 593 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,159 Yeah that's just no. Like you treat your dogs well, yeah, 594 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,360 but don't let them do what they want. Some people have kids on leashes, 595 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,360 which I think is a great idea. Yeah, fuck, go for 596 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,800 it, that's fund with me. Yeah, I just I think it's hard, 597 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,800 right, they are animals. Yeah, it's hard because if you tie 598 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,719 up, if you just tie up your dog and lead them outside, they're 599 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,719 gonna get super frustrated, and well then you're a bad owner. Again, 600 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,639 like this just like there's a there's a middle Yet, I know, it's 601 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,039 it's hard because I'm sure that woman, like if she was letting her dogs 602 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,159 off leash and they were aggressive before, she's not going to be the type 603 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,480 of person to like I mean, I'm projecting, but she's not gonna be 604 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,679 the type of person that's gonna like try to work to train that out of 605 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,360 them, you know what I mean. All right, Well, you said 606 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,320 there was a bunch of kids outside, So my guess would be is that 607 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,800 these kids before running in and out and let the door open, the kids, 608 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,679 then the dogs got No, she was actively outside like rearranging. The 609 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,039 woman, the adult was like out in her backyard rearranging things with her dogs 610 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:14,880 around her with the kids. No, yeah, that's her. Yeah, 611 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,159 oh yeah No, it was very much on her, was not the kids 612 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:21,199 that just like let them out idiot. Yeah, So I don't know. 613 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,679 It's also hard because like that day that this happened, we started fencing in 614 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,000 our yard, like before this happened, because we were like, you know, 615 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,559 Sawyer can be off leash and it's fine, but Penny will and has 616 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,840 run away if you let go of the leash, So we have to just 617 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,199 stand in our yard holding her attached to a leash, which sucks. So 618 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,400 like, what's the middle ground? You just tie your dog up and leave 619 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,159 them and then they get super frustrated, or do you pull on us and 620 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,480 just have to stand attach to them all the time, which is probably the 621 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,119 best bet to make them the happiest. But like and not everyone can fence 622 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,119 in their yard. But if you can, I feel like that's your best 623 00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:00,400 bet. Which if you cannot safely be off leash, and yes, you 624 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,000 have to have it tied up or you have to hold its leash. Yeah, 625 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,719 that's it's the only option. Like that's the way it is. Yep, 626 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,840 Like it sucks, You're right, it sucks. But if you're getting 627 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,480 a dog, you are committing to doing the things that suck for the dog. 628 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,280 Yeah, that's part of being a dog on Yeah, So the cop 629 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,719 was saying to me, like, you know, she can either just tie 630 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,960 them up, keep them on a leash, or like put up an electric 631 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,880 fence or an actual fence. But I was like, they are the dogs 632 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,639 that will blow through an electric fence that will not stop them. Yeah, 633 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:31,440 So because a lot of that happens with a lot of dogs, Like if 634 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,760 they're super aggresive, they're just going to blow through it. They don't care 635 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,079 if they get zapped, and depending on the dog, they might not even 636 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,800 feel it. So the trenaline's pumping and they just don't. Yeah, like 637 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,159 bigger breeds like Rottweilers and stuff, I'm sure it's hard to get through that 638 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,519 skin. And like even terriers have thick skin around their necks for a reason. 639 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:57,760 So yeah, yeah, So anyways, that's my story. I think 640 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,800 I need a beer. It's only like eleven am. Oh my god, 641 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,880 the was nude? Wow? We even chatting for beers? Then hell, 642 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,239 yeah, you know what, let's let's grab some beers and do our bonus 643 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,679 episode. Then I'm so down. Okay, let's do it. Let's wrap 644 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,000 this up. Okay, do you want to leave that in or you want 645 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,760 to cut that out? Oh? Really? Everybody poops? Yeah, I 646 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,719 guess yeah, and if you don't see a doctor. Now, I'm trying 647 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:31,039 to make jokes because i'muncomfortable from talking for so long. You did great, 648 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,719 ever, be very supportive. I know, well, because I feel like 649 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,480 if you're listening to this podcast, you're not You're not a dumb owner because 650 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:43,880 you care. Stiff tell you, I intentionally don't have any pets for a 651 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,280 reason. Yeah, first walk because my partner complex won't let me. But 652 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,880 also I can't properly take care of any pets right now, so I don't 653 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,320 have any. It's really hard, and I feel like I wish people talked 654 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,360 openly about it, more like when you have a lot of family members right 655 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,920 now with puppies and it's hard. It's like having a baby, and there's 656 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,199 all this new pressure on you to treat your dog like a baby, like, 657 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,280 oh, you can't leave your dog in the crate for X amount of 658 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,880 hours. You can't. You have to do this, this, and this 659 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,400 with them and make sure they go to school, and they should go to 660 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,039 daycare. It's nuts. I disagree with a lot of that, but those 661 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,079 are nice things to do. I don't think they're required. I mean, 662 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,760 we've had dogs for how many thousands of years and we haven't done that shit. 663 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,760 Like I think we'll be okay, but so I know we're towards the 664 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,400 end. And I haven't put statistics in until now, but I would be 665 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,760 remiss if we did not throw out some statistics. So according to the American 666 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,159 Veterinary Medical Association, and I'll throw a link to this article that I'm finding 667 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:43,840 this information from. But there are four point five million people in the US 668 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,760 a year that are bitten by dogs? Is that their own dogs? Is 669 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,039 that just doggs? Like? What are just okay? Any dog? What 670 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,159 do we count as a bite? A bite like being I mean, like 671 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,440 I've gotten they get if I'm playing with my brother's dog or with sore penny, 672 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,559 like like an aggressive I'm assuming this means an aggressive bite to the point 673 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,800 where you're like, I want to know, like, what are we talking 674 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,760 about? Somebody? But remember we talked with Jim Crosby and he was saying 675 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,880 like, if you're bitten by a small dog, you're probably not gonna report 676 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,119 it. This is like people reporting dog bites. So out of those four 677 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:22,119 point five million, eight hundred thousand received medical attention for dog bites according to 678 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,039 the CDC, really not that bad. That's about how many dogs. It's 679 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,360 a lot. Do you think about how many dogs there are. It's not 680 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,679 that bad. So these are animals. These aren't people. These are animals. 681 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,039 Like, well, still, it's a lot of people. It's a 682 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:37,000 lot of people, it is. But I don't think the numbers are that 683 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,719 bad. I do, one in five people, but my dogs require medical 684 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,159 attention, and children are the most common victims by far and are more likely 685 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:50,039 to be severely injured, which we talked about in our episode nineteen with Jim, 686 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,239 which is tragic. Ye. Most dog bites affecting young children occur during 687 00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:00,719 everyday activities and while interacting with dogs that they know. Yep. So they 688 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,159 are animals, people. They are not teddy bears. They're not freaking stuffed 689 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,559 animals. They are animals. They will hurt you. And I also want 690 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:14,880 to talk about just really quick. So you remember Sam from episode one about 691 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,559 tigers. So apparently there is a video going around the internet of a tiger 692 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,480 killing a dog. Really yes, so Sam, you can follow her on 693 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:31,360 Twitter at Samantha I Am. And Sam did this thread about feral dogs in 694 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,320 India and she did not post. She posted a picture from the video, 695 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,679 but not the video itself, and it's literally a picture of a tiger sleeping 696 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,960 and a dog standing next to it staring at it. Oh yeah. So 697 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,480 in this thread, Sam goes on to say, like dogs pose a huge 698 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,440 risk to wildlife in India, like feral dogs, because in India there are 699 00:43:52,519 --> 00:44:00,519 sixty million feral dogs. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so Sam in this thread 700 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,679 says, in some areas there are at least five feral dog attacks on people 701 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,599 per day. Jesus, Yeah, and that's feral. That's not even like 702 00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:14,119 people's pet dogs, you know. Yeah. So I don't want to say 703 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,079 the situation here in America is better because it's still not great. Like we 704 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,719 can all still be better, but like dogs aren't. It's significantly better than 705 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480 India, like we I think people, that's significantly better. Yeah, we 706 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,079 have way less feral dogs, but still like it's aggressive dogs are still a 707 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,880 problem. Just throw Aggresive dogs will always be a problem because they will always 708 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,400 be animals and not stuffed animals. Yeah, but they're domesticated. It's a 709 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,960 little different than just like owning a fucking cougar. Then why are they attacking 710 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,320 people? Because it's no different because they're still animals. Just say, I 711 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,079 wonder why those feral dog attacks happen, You know what I mean, Hunger? 712 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,719 I'd just say hunger. They're not getting food and you see someone walking 713 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,760 down the street with the fucking bastard fries, you with those fries, Maybe 714 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000 maybe we should looking at that more. But anyways, this was our second 715 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:08,159 dog episode. I guess it's a third Jim Crosby one. Yeah, so 716 00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:14,360 I know. It was all over the place, but that's where that's how 717 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,119 I am, that's how I exist lately. It's just all over the place. 718 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,920 Oliver got fucking ripped to shreds by his dogs, and he's still wolves. 719 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:28,480 Most of them as wolves a little different, very different, honestly, 720 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,719 and he still just has Oliver. If you're listening, after this incident happened 721 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,599 to me, I thought of you, and I was like, how because 722 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,000 remember in our Wolf episode, I was saying, like, I feel like 723 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,840 I've been underestimating wolves. I underestimated dogs. And I was like, oh, 724 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,760 dogs aren't scary. I know dogs, but like, I fucking I 725 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,119 get it now that they are which one wants to get you. So oh 726 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,880 yeah, yeah. So I have nothing but respect and compassion for those who 727 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,559 have been attacked as someone who was a most attacked and thankfully not Hey, 728 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,960 that's a good place stand it said the thing all right. So I'll put 729 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,159 some links in the episode description to that episode. On that episode on the 730 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:19,760 Bite End of the Dog with Laura, I can link to her Twitter as 731 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,239 well, and I will link to Sam's Twitter where you can see that thread 732 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,039 about the feral dog problem in India and read more about it. Awesome. 733 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,920 If you like this episode, you can raise us five stars on Apple Podcasts, 734 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,960 Spotify Podchaser, where we can respond to you, and you can also 735 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,000 subscribe wherever you're listening. You can check out our website get a Live podcast 736 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:44,800 dot com. We have a shop that I always forget to mention, so 737 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,559 you can buy our merch We have stickers, hat, t shirts, We're 738 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,199 coming up with more stuff soon, a sweatshirt that we love so much. 739 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,559 We're coming out with more stuff soon. We've been working on it quite a 740 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:59,440 bit, so stay tuned. You can follow us on Facebook at gettle a 741 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,599 Live podcast, where I post like recent news stories. I'll have you know. 742 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,559 There have been two bison attacks in Yellowstone within three days last week, 743 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,840 and it's the same. It seems like there's a lot more going, doesn't 744 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,000 it. I can't decide if it's like just the fact that we're more keyed 745 00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:21,679 into this stuff, or if it's like actually increasing. I think it's increasing. 746 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:27,599 According to you Wild there was also a man mauled by a grizzly last 747 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,639 week in Wyoming, so follow us on Facebook to stay tuned with like up 748 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,800 to date news. There was also a story about a monkey and bulletproof armor 749 00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,840 in a shootout with a cartel. You'll have to see it to believe it. 750 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,599 It's crazy. Such a story. Yeah, I love it. Spider 751 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,800 monkey, don't get the fuck? Yeah. So you can follow us on 752 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,039 Instagram at get at a live pod, and you can follow me on Twitter 753 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,880 at the Angryologist Nick. I do not have social media. I am the 754 00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:01,239 ghost Nick has Mono though, so I do I currently have Mono? Can 755 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,960 you get as quick the entire week of work? Yeah? I missed the 756 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:08,960 entire week of work. I showed up on Monday morning. They said leave 757 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,760 like they were almost immediately. Everyone was like, don't be here. How 758 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,559 do you get me? Didn't know I had mono, went went in. 759 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,519 I mean it's from the like the spread of saliva like it. It's a 760 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,000 saliva based diseased. I am a single man. I have not kissed anyone 761 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,360 in quite a long time. I will open that up to the whole world. 762 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,719 I have no fucking idea how I got. You must have shared drinks 763 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,599 with somebody. It's either from a vape or a drink or something. So 764 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,199 someone in your life has mono. Also, maybe I don't know, man, 765 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,559 it could be from someone. I'm talking to someone randomly and a piece 766 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,480 of spit lands on my hand and then I touched my eyeball like it could 767 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,679 be stuff like that. Gross, So I don't know, Like it's just 768 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,280 there's so many random in your eyeball. I didn't know. I don't I 769 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,400 don't know. I'm that's not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying I 770 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,360 don't spit each other. Yeah, it's okay without consent and without testing yourself 771 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,000 for mono first anyway, Yes, I have been very very sick all week 772 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,280 and it's the first day been a would like actually speak. So it's a 773 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,760 good thank God to get this podcast. Yeah, seriously, Yeah, I 774 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,519 think that's it. Thank you to my good friends. Second grand husband Josh 775 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:22,039 Walsh, who met one of you listeners in the wild on an island. 776 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:30,280 Insane to me that just like he was in Bermuda and like someone they were 777 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,920 just talking and they were like, oh I listened to Gain Alive and he 778 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,320 was like, Hi, I'm second grade husband. Also, just for contact, 779 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,039 Josh and I are not married. We were never legally married. We 780 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,440 just pretended we were for years. So anyone that knows Josh wants to date 781 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,280 him. He is single, I assume I don't know. I'm pretty sure 782 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,159 Josh is available. If not, congratulations to Josh. Will knock him after 783 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:57,280 you? Yeah, yes, no, I asked you will not be the 784 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,320 one to come. Yeah, pop up one, what the fuck is happening? 785 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,320 Yeah? Yeah, because I'm s so like that. Uh yeah, 786 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,360 that's it. Thanks for listening to episode thirty and next episode is gonna be 787 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,639 a good one. You don't want to miss it? Say it? Yeah. Peace,