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At at at Hey, everyone,
thanks so much for listening to this live

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stream episode of dog mun Encounters Radio. For tonight's show, we're going to

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bring on a sasquatch researcher. It's
been a while since we've had a bigfoot

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researcher on the show, but of
course they have dogman encounters too, and

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it's kind of an ironic situation with
tonight's guest. You see, she's been

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researching sasquatch for twenty three years now, and at one point before she had

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her dog mune encounter, that is, she and her friends used to research

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sasquatch. Well, they used to
make fun of people who saw dog men,

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or at least one lady who they
knew who told them or tried to

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tell them about a dogman encounter that
she had. Well, a little over

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a week ago, actually a week
and one day before today, she and

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three of her researching friends had a
dogman encounter that really shook them to the

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core. And of course that's what
we're going to talk with her about tonight.

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Of course, I'm talking about Lisa
Leech. Lisa, thanks so much

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for coming on. Thank you,
Vick. I've never expected to be here,

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but if I was going to be
anywhere talking about dog man. I'm

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glad I found you. Well,
thanks so much for coming on. And

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you never really do expect to have
a dog man encounter until it happens.

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I'm so sorry to hear that you
had to have that experience. If I

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had my drothers, I'd much rather
have you in the camp of people that

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just didn't believe they existed than for
you to know as a fact, due

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to unfortunate circumstances, that they really
are out there. But yeah, we're

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going to get into all of that
and about ten minutes. But before we

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get to that point, I want
to talk with you about your research that

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you put in the Sasquatch. Now, approximately twenty three years ago you started

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researching sasquatch, and that was due
to an encounter you had with a bigfoot

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that paid you a late night visit
when you were at ten. If I

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had my druthers, like I said
before, all the time that you spent

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out in the woods, you'd have
your mind on nothing but sasquatch. But

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now that you know dogmen are out
there also, which that's a new concern

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for you. What are your thoughts
on that? How are you going to

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be able to function out there?
Well, Initially, right after seeing this

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thing, I didn't think I would. I was pretty sure I would not

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be able to stay out in the
woods again. But the night afterwards we

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forced ourselves to stay there overnight in
the camp, which, you know,

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you meet your fears like that,
and afterwards you survived and you feel a

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little better. But I still wasn't
so sure about being able to stay out

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in a tent by myself. And
I've talked to you, and you've made

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me feel a lot better about it
by understanding that they've always been there and

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I just didn't know it until now. That's right, the most definitely,

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they most definitely have been out there. And like I told you in that

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first conversation, we had think about
how many times you've been out there looking

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for a sasquatch when these guys were
around watching you. Nothing happened to any

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of those times. So that doesn't
mean it's any more likely for you to

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have problems. Now. Sure it's
possible that you're going to have another dog

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mean encounter, but yeah, that's
not a given. It's all too easy

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to think that once you have a
dog mean encounter, you're almost doomed to

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have another, then another. But
yeah, most cases that just doesn't happen,

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So please keep that in mind.
I've got a question for you that

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I meant to ask you the first
time we spoke, that it just slipped

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my mind. I never did ask
you about this. You told me that

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you had a friend when she found
out that you were so distraught about this

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dog, mean the counter you had, she told you that you needed to

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contact me. Who was this friend? I think it was a lease or

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that told me that she is one
of our members of our big Footing Female

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Friends in the South, the all
female group that I'm in, and she's

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I think she was the one who
told me because she's always believed they were

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out there. She's not the one
who had her own dog me in the

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counter? Is she no totally different
friend? Okay, I thought it must

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have been. I didn't want to
assume, because you know what that does,

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but yeah, I was pretty sure
it wasn't the same person. Do

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you think that it's going to be
some time before you're going to be ready

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to head back out into the woods
and actually look for sasquatch or do you

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think you're maybe going to be able
to do that sooner than what most people

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would expect. Well, I'll probably
head back out next month, and that's

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just I'm addicted to sasquatch research and
I really don't think anything would keep me

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out of the woods. But I
won't be alone, and we're always armed

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and we're always ready for anything.
So even though I'm a little nervous about

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going back out there again, I
do think I will be well good.

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I hope you do not too much
weight on a young back, But when

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you're getting ready to do that,
I hope you do, and maybe steps,

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of course, I hope you do
start heading back out there. You

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know, it's funny I told you
about the walks I take deep in the

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woods. When I have time to
be able to do that. That is

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well, since we spoke for the
first timetally have been back out into the

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big woods and went on a nice
long mile or actually as miles and I

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headed in. But yeah, went
on another walk. I wasn't armed and

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didn't have anyone else with me.
And here I am again, like I

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told you in that first conversation,
when I get time to do that,

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I do that, And here I
am it's a forest where there are dog

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men. There's a sasquatch in that
forest too. In fact, that a

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sasquatch related experience not too long ago, less than a month ago, in

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those woods. But yeah, life
goes on. Life goes on. I

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hope you enjoy every single minute of
it. And you really don't let this

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experience cut your legs off from underneath
of you, because if you allow that

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to happen, it really would be
a shame. Of course, you have

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to do this in a meterred way, and like I said, take baby

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steps getting back out there. But
when you're ready to head back out into

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the woods, I really hope you
do. Well. There will be some

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things that I will initially be able
to do, like we used to hike

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in the woods, you know,
or down the road just walking in the

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middle of the night, and I
think it'll be a little while before I'll

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be able to do that again.
But as far as going out, you

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know, to the campsite and maybe
riding to an investigation area, I'll probably

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be staying in the car for a
while, but I'll work myself back up

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to it. Well that's fine,
Yeah, do what you need to do.

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Sleep in the car, take baby
steps, like I said, in

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your own good time. You'll know
when you're ready, and when you are,

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just take a bigger step and then
a bigger step after that, just

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in your own good time. As
you know, there's never any rush to

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do this. And as far as
taking guns out there to try and quote

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unquote protect yourself from dogmen or sasquatch, that's just a fallacy in my opinion.

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I mean, these guys, if
they're really wanted to get you,

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a gun's not going to protect you
from them. And if it did protect

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you, for example, sasquatch or
what you focus on, if you did

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happen to have to actually, in
whatever situation, have to shoot a sasquatch,

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then what about the other sasquatch in
the area. So yeah, I

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mean that's one of the biggest reasons
why I just don't count on a gun

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to protect myself from them out there
in the woods, because if they really

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wanted to get you, they would
whether you have a gun or not.

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Oh yeah, the guns not for
protection against sasquatch or not dog man,

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because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work
anyways. But it's for protection from other

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people and from hogs and things like
that. Oh sure, and yeah,

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that's always a good idea. But
some people they take a gun with them

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for the express reason of protecting themselves
or trying to protect themselves from sasquatch.

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Now, yeah, if a sasquatch
sees a gun, some of the sasquatch

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in those instances will be frightened away. But there have been countless for reporters

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from credible eyewitnesses where they encountered a
sasquatch and that sasquatch wasn't frightened off by

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them having a gun with them.
And I mean, what's the end game

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here? Like I said, if
you do have to actually shoot one,

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it's not like that's going to guarantee
your protection because in most cases that's just

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the beginning of your problems. So
yeah, that was more of a comment

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that was addressed to the public than
to you, because after speaking with you,

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I was pretty sure you knew better
anyway. Huh. Yeah, Now,

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I don't think it would do a
bit of good in either case.

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You probably just make something more mad, that's right. Yeah, there are

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a lot of accounts to back that
up too. Well, let's get into

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it now, Lisa, in your
own good time. When you're ready,

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please tell us about your encounter.
Now give us every last detail that comes

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to mind. Okay, Well,
like I said, I'm in a bigfoot

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in female Friends of the South group
and five of us decided to go out

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camping in the Kasachi National Forest in
central Louisiana. I can't give away the

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exact location because it's one of our
research areas, but we were primitive camping

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and we're not at a campground.
We were pretty secluded and we just decided,

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well, the first night we were
there, we kept hearing coyotes and

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something else would yell with the coyotes
before the coyotes would go off, and

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we assumed it was a sisquatch,
because you know, that's just what you

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assume when you're out there and you
don't believe in dog men, and so

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we were pretty hyped about that.
And all night long it did it.

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Four or five times we would hear
it and then the coyotes would go off.

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And we actually got a recording of
that, and I'll have to send

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it to you when I get it
downloaded. But we decided that second night

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we were there, that Thursday last
week, to take some equipment some blasting

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equipment and some recordings that we had
found that were supposed subsquatch recordings, like

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the Ohio recording, and we decided
to ride down the road and blast these

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sounds out the window. And of
course I have my own call that I

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do that's a lot different from any
other researchers calls. And so at one

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point we stopped and we were blasting
and one of the ladies, the lady

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that was driving, her name's Alicia, she felt very uneasy and she couldn't

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figure out why. She just kept
telling us something's not right. Well,

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we realized there were no sounds anywhere. It was just total quiet. And

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although we've been in that before and
many times, we just said, well,

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there's a predator around, and you
know, susquatch comes in the area,

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you always know that all of the
smaller critters and things are going to

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be quiet. It was like that
that night, but it was an uneasy

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quiet. It was it was not
that quiet that you normally get. It

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was a quiet that came with the
feeling of strangeness, of unease. And

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we continued to drive down the road
and we had found a road that had

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a weird name and it was called
Strange Road, and we said, well,

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let's just go check this road out, because there's a reason it has

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that name. You know, all
the all of the roads that have these

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strange names usually have a history.
So we headed down that road blasting and

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on the way back about the same
area where I had let out that one

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yell that I did. We were
riding with our headlamps on, and I

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had mindset on the red because sometimes
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but yet it doesn't agitate the animal's
eyes to bad, but you can

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still pick up on the eye shine. And we had seen several sets of

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ice shine, but you know,
one was an owl, and we sat

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and we watched it for a minute, and there were some deer. And

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then as we're riding down the road, we passed this one area. It's

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a small clearing on the side of
the road. I saw what I thought

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were these orange reflectors, and I
yelled, what was that? Stop?

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Back up? Back up, back
up, back up. And Alicia was

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driving, and I had a friend
of Lisa Orr in the back seat,

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and she was on the driver's side, and then I was on the passenger

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side. We had all of our
windows rolled down, she backed up,

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and as she was backing up,
I flipped my spotlight on and she flipped

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hers on. And when we backed
up, I really expected, if it

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was an animal, that it wouldn't
still be there, because normally, when

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you see something on the side of
the road, you know, I'm familiar

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with bears and deer and even hogs
and stuff. When you back up,

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it normally runs from you. So
I was kind of expecting it to be

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gone. But when we backed up, it was still sitting there, same

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spot, about thirty feet from my
side of the vehicle, and we're just

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looking at these eyes and they were
they were the color of our campfire flames,

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that's the way I described them.
They were flame orange, a yellowish

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orange. And they were huge.
Oh my god, they were huge.

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They were had to have been sitting
on this massive head, because these eyes

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looked like they were sitting on a
head that would have been a foot wide.

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And we're just sitting there staring at
it for a moment, and it's

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just staring back at us, and
it's about five foot off the ground,

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and we're trying to figure out what
we're looking at, and we're just mesmerized

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and you could feel this, oh
gosh, like it was just looking straight

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through you, like it could just
look into your soul. And we could

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tell that it had no fear,
no fear whatsoever of us, and I

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think it knew we were scared a
bit. But we had time to sit

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there and stare at this thing for
a period of time where we had a

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conversation of the lady in the back, at least she kept asking what are

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y'all seeing? And Alicia said,
you don't want to know, and I

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said, no, you don't.
And Alise said, well, what is

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it? Is it? Is it
a hog or something? And I said,

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there is nothing in this area of
the world that is that big,

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and Alicia was in agreement. She
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don't know what that is. And
Alise was still saying, well, what

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is it? What is it?
I can't see? And I said,

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at least you don't want to know. And as far as the body,

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you could see this black, just
blackness. It was like a black mass.

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She couldn't really make out any of
the body except that it was black.

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And these eyes they were so they
didn't have pupils, they didn't have

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any whites in the eyes and they
never blinked. They never blinked one time,

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and we were just I can't even
explain how we were like staring at

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something that we couldn't figure out,
that didn't make sense to us. And

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Alicia decided that she'd had enough.
She was shook to the core, and

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she went to take off on the
gravel road and she hit the gas and

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just as she hit the gas and
we started rolling, that thing stood up.

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And I yelled. That thing just
stood up. And she said what

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she said, how big is it? I said, at least twice as

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tall, and she said that'd be
ten feet and I said, I know,

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but I can't explain it. It
just stood up. But while I

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missed a part because while we were
sitting there, it turned its head.

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It turned its head sideways. It
looked to its left like it heard something

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or was it interested in something else
to its left. It was all right,

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it's left. And when it did, that's when you could tell from

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the outline that it was K nine
in appearance. It was. It was

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like this massive K nine. And
I never saw any ears, but Alicia

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said she thought she saw an outline
of ears sticking up on its head,

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but I was mostly in shock because
it stood up and that didn't make any

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sense. I was like, it
was already standing, as far as we

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had thought, it was already standing, but I don't know if it was

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crouching or if it had been sitting. But when it stood up, it

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had to be ten foot tall,
and that just freaked me out. So

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we went back to the campsite,
which turned out to only be seven tenths

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of a mile from where we saw
it, and we sat there. We

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were shaking, and everybody was asking
what happened, and I was so emotional.

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I was crying. I mean,
I've had big foot encounters, but

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they make sense and this didn't.
And I just had to calm down.

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I just I couldn't speak about it. I couldn't. I couldn't talk at

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all. I just told him give
me a few minutes, just and they

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understood, you know. And Alicia
was the same way. She saw it

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too, and she was she was
just as shook as I was. And

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we were sitting there, going why
did we see a body? Because that's

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what bothered us the most, aside
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We were confused because we both had
spotlights on it, and we couldn't

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see a body, and we were
looking at the trees in the spotlight beside

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it and behind it. But this
body was just black, and it was

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blacker than black. It was like
it was almost like an absence of color,

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like it didn't reflect the light,
like it absorbed the light. And

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the eyes were the same way.
They didn't reflect. They you know,

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normally, when you spotlight an animal, you get this like glare from a

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reflection, and these weren't reflecting like
normal eyes. They were they were soaking

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up the light. I want to
say, they were more of a glow

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that didn't glare like normal eyes.
I can't even explain it. It was

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I don't know. It just didn't
seem right. And we told everybody else

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what we had seen, and they
were they were freaking out too, And

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the lady that was in the back
seat at last, she was like,

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well, I wish i'd seen it, And I said, no, I

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really don't think you do wish you
had seen it. I think you should

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be glad you didn't, because nothing
has ever shaken me up like that.

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I didn't believe that dog men or
werewolves or whatever you want to call it.

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In Louisiana we call it a rugaroo. But I didn't believe those were

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real. Those were just legends.
And you know, as far as people

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who had said they had seen them, you know, who am I to

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question if anybody seen anything? But
I always thought they were just mistaken on

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what they had seen, and maybe
they had seen a bigfoot. You always

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when you're a bigfoot researcher, you
always try to make everything bigfoot, and

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I always thought all of those sightings
were just misidentified bigfoot. So this was

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not supposed to exist, and it
has totally blown my world apart, and

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I I don't know what to do
with that. You know, well,

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like I told you the first time
we spoke, it'd be one thing if

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your first exposure to these guys was
when you had that encounter about eight days

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ago. But I all but guarantee
all the times you've been out in the

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woods, all the countless hours you've
been beating the bushes, like I told

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you in that conversation, more times
than you could shake a stick at,

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these guys have been watching you,
following you, monitoring you. Nothing happened

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any of those times, so there's
nothing to lead you to believe that any

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of the future times you head into
the woods, anything negative is going to

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happen to you. It's possible,
but I just don't think you're going to

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have any more problems. You might
see another dog, mean, like I

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said, but the odds of actually
being harmed by one are very slim,

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so please keep that in mind.
And this isn't a guaranteed explanation for it.

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But you mentioned how the body you
shine spotlights on its body but you

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still couldn't see it. Well,
were you aware that bison, for example,

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they have fur that soaks up sunlight
and soaks up light periods. So

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if you shine a spotlight on a
bison, it does the same thing.

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You don't see the glow of your
light. It's like their fur absorbs that

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light. Did you know that?
No? I absolutely did not know that.

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Yeah, that's true. That's how
it is. Yeah, countless people

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have come around a corner on roads
in Montana, Wyoming where they're a bison

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and they've hit them because they didn't
see them until the last second because their

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headlights were absorbed by that fur.
I can't remember what the term is for

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that, but yeah, their fur
has that quality or it actually absorbs light.

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So again, that's not a guaranteed
explanation for why you couldn't see the

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body of that dog me in.
But it's a possibility. It's something to

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think about. Okay, yes,
it absolutely is. That would make more

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sense. And when you initially told
me that they had been out there all

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this time, I was that didn't
make me feel better at first, because

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I was like, no, don't
give me that. I don't want to

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think about that, because I was
like, I never want to see this

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thing again. And we always when
we sat around the campfire, you know,

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doing our bigfoot stuff or whatever,
we always somebody would bring up the

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subject and we'd stop them and we'd
go, no, we don't talk about

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that. We don't want to talk
about that because we don't want to believe

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that that exists, because we may
not ever go back in the woods again.

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And it's what we always said.
And you know, I'm concerned about

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Alicia Moore than myself because she was
a new researcher and she's not had the

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scary bigfoot encounters that I've had and
some of the others have had, and

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for her this was a real eye
opener, you know, And I mean,

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she's not even experienced a bigfoot yet
and here she is seeing this wherewith

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looking thing that's not supposed to be
out there, and I probably will have

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to wean her back into things.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised, Like

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I told you that conversation if if
she would benefit from a conversation with me,

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there's never any requirement to come on
the show. Just have her let

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me know that I'm more than happy
to help. And if she is interested

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in reaching out at helping for a
helping hand that is, then you have

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her contact me and I'd be more
than happy to help her or anyone else

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in your grouper, anyone else that
you know is ad an encounter that would

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like to have some help, So
please keep that in mind. Yea,

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she and I are the only two
that actually saw it. But she steadily

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has been She lives in Georgia and
she's been texting me constantly since then,

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trying to come up with any explanation. And she's been like, well maybe

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it was this, but no,
that don't fit. Well. I tried

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to think this, but no,
that don't fit either, and she's like,

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nothing fits, nothing makes sense.
And I told her I said,

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Look, I did the same thing
when I first saw it. When I

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first saw it stand up, I
was like, well, maybe it went

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up a hill or maybe it climbed
a tree, but neither of those were

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anywhere near where we were. And
you know, you just try to do

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that, You try to think of
something that makes sense out of it without

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admitting to yourself what you've seen.
But she may have to call you and

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speak with you before it's all over
with, because I don't think she's taking

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it very well. Yeah, it
doesn't sound like she is. Well,

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like I said, if she needs
help, I'll be here for so.

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Yeah, please let her know.
We've already established the fact that you didn't

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believe in dogmen before you had that
encounter eight days ago. But before that

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point, had you ever heard about
any quote unquote dog man encounters happening in

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the Kosache? Well, I actually
hadn't even heard the term dog man or

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anything like that til about two years
ago when one of our members was camping

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with us and she mentioned that she
thought she had a dog man that came

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up behind her house, and she
told us about this thing growling at her,

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and she had taken pictures of the
footprint, and it's this big footprint.

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It's wide in the front and it
comes down real narrow in the back,

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and it's got these claws on it
about it. I don't know,

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about an inch and a half two
inches long. And of course when she

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showed me the picture, I was, of course trying to make it a

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big foot print, and I'm going, well, maybe those are toenails,

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but they obviously weren't, you know, they were claws. And I had

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to admit I didn't know what that
was a picture of. But she was

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telling us that, and of course
we you want to believe somebody, but

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at the same time you're like,
well, she's mistaken, She's just she's

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got a big foot I don't know
what she's got a picture of footprint.

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I don't know. When you know, we thought, well she's a little

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crazy, but like I said,
we didn't believe there was such a thing.

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And now I have since spoken to
her and I said, look,

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I did, I thought you were
crazy. I said, I'm sorry because

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if you experienced something that I experienced, I said, I feel so bad

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for making fun of that. And
I apologize to her because you know,

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that was just wrong. I don't
know why we tend to do that if

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it doesn't fit into our little box, we want to make fun of it

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or just not believe it or you
know, I don't think it's so much

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as not believe in somebody as it
is for your own safety. You don't

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want to admit that that's out there. You know. I do the same

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thing with skin walkers. I'm like, I don't want to hear about them.

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I don't want to talk about them. I don't ever want to see

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one, you know, And doesn't
mean that it's not out there. It

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just means that I don't want to
believe they're out there, you know,

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I do understand. Yeah, it's
a lot more convenient to convince yourself that

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these guys aren't out there, because
if you can do that, then heading

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into the woods is a lot easier. Well, understanding how they operate that

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has a huge effect on how easy
it is to head into the woods too.

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But yeah, I mean, if
you can convince yourself that they're not

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a reality, that's the easiest out
So it's totally understandable why you would do

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that. But that brings me to
my next question for you. Before I

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start asking the questions, that the
listeners have for you. My last question

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for you is are you glad knowing
that they're actually out there or if you

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had your druthers, would rather just
not know even though they're amongst you when

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you're in the woods. Well I
always said I would rather not know,

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But the more I've thought about it, I'm glad I do know now,

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and I'm glad I actually experienced one
in a way that didn't feel too threatening,

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so that I'm not terrified as I
would be if something like you know,

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came at me, or you know, they want to chase the truck

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when we left, or something.
You know. I'm glad I experienced it

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in the way that I did,
and I am glad that I know they're

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there now. Well that's a good
outlook. Never lose sight of the fact

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that you're a strong woman, Lisa, and you can definitely deal with this.

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It's all attitude. It's all on
how you look at it. If

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you let human nature get the best
of you, then yeah, you will

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have trouble dealing with the fact that, yes, they are out there.

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But if you don't turn that direction, if you do focus on the truth,

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then yeah, this is doable.
So please remember that, and yeah,

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please do your best to remember all
the things that we spoke about about

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these guys. Okay, oh,
I sure will. That'll probably keep me

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going. My husband always said that
I was not afraid of anything, which

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I think he exaggerates. But you
know, I have been through a lot

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of stuff in my past, so
it was hard to scare me with things.

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But I had to admit that really
shook me to the core. And

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speaking with you has now made me
understand that I've been out there for years

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now and I've never been injured by
one of these things, and I'm sure

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they've been there. And as a
matter of fact, I've been to the

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same area before many times. And
you know, although I didn't see one,

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I know now they were there all
along. Yes they were. It's

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not convenient to think about. It's
not going to give you the warm and

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fuzzies, but yeah, they definitely
were. And all yeah, there's one

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last thing I want to bring up
before I start diving into the listener questions.

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When we spoke about this for the
first time earlier this week, there

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was something that we spoke about,
something I brought to your attention that it

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sounded to me I could be wrong
about this, but it sure sounded to

407
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,759
me like what I told you,
what I brought to your attention shook you

408
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,480
more than pretty much anything to do
with all this. Remember how I told

409
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,240
you, or I asked you,
if you realize that when you headed back

410
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,880
to camp, you didn't head home
after that encounter. You headed back to

411
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,480
camp, which you told me was
about seven tenths of a mile from where

412
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:14,320
that encounter happened. And then I
told you that I could all but guarantee

413
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,000
that that dog man followed you back
to camp. And those sounds that you

414
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,960
heard outside of your tenth that night, at least some of them, there's

415
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,800
a strong possibility it was that dog
man lurking around. Do you remember me

416
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:35,800
telling you about that? I do, And that just kind of went all

417
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,760
through me. I was like,
oh, no, don't say that,

418
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,159
because that night, that's all I
was picturing is There's everything I heard was

419
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,639
is that that thing? Is that
that thing? And I was so unnerved

420
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,000
and thinking about the fact that it
could have followed us back. That didn't

421
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,840
even really occur to me. I
just thought my adrenaline was kicked in and

422
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,119
that I just thinking that, and
I kept telling myself, no, that

423
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,519
thing was seven tenths of a mile
down the road. It looked the opposite

424
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,679
direction, and my saving grace was
that it did look the opposite direction,

425
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,880
and when it stood up, it
was facing the opposite direction. So I

426
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:22,039
was thinking telling myself that it went
the other way. And then when you

427
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,760
said that, I was like,
oh, no, don't say that.

428
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:30,519
I don't want to think about that. Oh yeah, yeah, it's like

429
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,199
I said, not convenient to think
about. But I want to shoot you

430
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,800
straight on this. And yeah,
when you look at the big picture when

431
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,639
it comes to dog men, it
helps tremendously. That's what you should always

432
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,280
try to do. When you step
back and take a one thousand foot in

433
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,639
view of this experience, it's only
going to help. The problems only arise

434
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,440
when you start to look at snippets
of what happened. When you think about,

435
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,559
oh, that dog Meing was right
there, so close to the vehicle,

436
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:02,280
But don't mod that and go into
detail, ignore the fact that,

437
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,320
okay, yeah, that dog Muil
was that close to us, but he

438
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,880
didn't attack us. He never acted
aggressively towards us. And then looking at

439
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,320
it from a different aspect of this
will encounter. Yeah, there's a strong

440
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,079
possibility that dogmun was right outside or
tenth that night. Well, yeah,

441
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,599
that's true, but you're leaving out
the part that there's a strong possibility that

442
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:28,280
Dogman was right outside or tenth that
night, but it never harmed us.

443
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,519
So yeah, look at the big
picture. That's what's going to be required

444
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,800
for you to deal with this in
a healthy way. I know you can

445
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,440
do this. I know you can. It's just going to take time and

446
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:45,480
repetition until this becomes second nature makes
sense. Yeah, I actually had to

447
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,719
have another lady sleep in my tent
that night, but I'll probably have to

448
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,599
do that for a little while,
at least the next few outings. But

449
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,239
it is true if it wanted to
have came after us, we were only

450
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,079
seven tenths of a mile down the
road, and if it did follow us

451
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:07,079
back, we were right there.
We were in flimsy tents, and it

452
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,280
could have had us. That's right. It knew that. But yeah,

453
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,719
it never pushed the issue and attacked
you because it didn't want to. That's

454
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,119
the best possible reason there is.
All right, Well, let's dive into

455
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,760
the listener questions now, Lisa.
The first one is from liking fire fear,

456
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,840
And their question is, Lisa,
why do you think dog Man didn't

457
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,159
exist? Why did you think dog
Man didn't exist? And made fun of

458
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:43,559
eyewitnesses. Well, like I said, it wasn't really that. I absolutely

459
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:49,840
didn't think they existed. I just
I didn't want to think they existed.

460
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,400
And as far as the witnesses,
I just like I said, it was

461
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,639
just one of those It's a safety
mechanism I think that you do for yourself

462
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,960
to keep you from being so afraid, because the thought of something like that

463
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:13,880
being out there before I even actually
saw one was like, I didn't want

464
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,679
it to keep me out of the
woods, you know. I just didn't

465
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,440
want to be that scared. And
I think I was more scared of them

466
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,239
before I saw them than I am
now, if that makes any sense.

467
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,920
Well, before you had that encounter, you didn't know what would happen if

468
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,679
you did see one. But now
you know what would happen because it has

469
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,800
happened. You had that encounter,
and here we are having this conversation and

470
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480
you're going to enjoy this weekend and
you're gonna continue on living your life.

471
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:45,760
And no, you didn't find out
the hard way that these guys are some

472
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,199
kind of bloody, mindless, monstrous
killing machines that I'll wipe you off the

473
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,719
face of the earth as soon as
look at you, because yeah, that's

474
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,039
not how they're wired. Sure,
there are some dangerous ones, but as

475
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,000
far as in general, they are
not wired that way. The numbers prove

476
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,960
that to be a fact. All
right, I've got another question for you

477
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:09,360
from Mertaza a Reef, and Martaza's
question is do you think the dog man

478
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,320
was attracted by your headlights? Honestly, no, I think it was attracted

479
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:22,199
by the sounds that we were blasting, and the area where we actually saw

480
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,800
it was in the same area that
I had made that call that I do,

481
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,599
and the one that I do is
a little deeper than most people's calls,

482
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:35,559
and I think it was attracted to
that. You just might be right

483
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,119
about that. It's hard to say
for sure, but there's a strong possibility

484
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:46,119
you are right. The next question
is from Patricia Della Vega, and her

485
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:52,280
question is were you frightened? Were
you scared? Lisa, Oh, yes,

486
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,760
to my core. I was shaken
so badly. Like I said,

487
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,559
I got emotional and I started crying. I was so scared I've never been

488
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,960
that scared of anything before in my
life. I mean even when I was

489
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,960
ten and a big foot was looking
in my window and I was paralyzed with

490
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,760
fear back then. I don't think
I was that scared then because I didn't

491
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:23,639
know what was what that was back
then, But at least it made more

492
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,760
sense to me than what I was
looking at the other day, that that

493
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,679
didn't make any sense. That to
me was just like beyond comprehension, and

494
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,679
that's what shook me to my core, which is totally understandable. And you

495
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,480
just mentioned that bigfoot encounter you had
when you were at ten, so everyone

496
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:51,880
listening knows. Of course, I
also produce a bigfoot podcast called My Bigfoot

497
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Sighting. Well, Lisa actually recorded
an episode. It's actually airing tonight at

498
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,280
nine pm Eastern Time. It's available
right now if you want to listen to

499
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,599
that episode that Lisa came on and
talked about that encounter she had when that

500
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,400
bigfoot payter that late night visit when
she was ten. If you go to

501
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,719
the description for tonight's show, you'll
find a link that'll take you right to

502
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,039
it. If you don't want to
do that, if you just want to

503
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,159
find it on your own. If
you go to YouTube or use your favorite

504
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:23,239
podcast application, just do a search
for my Bigfoot Sighting. Then if you

505
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,800
find if you look up episode one
twenty five, you'll find tonight's episode with

506
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,880
Lisa talking about that experience and several
other sasquatch related experiences that she's had.

507
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,280
Moving forward, we have a great
question here from Lily Lewis, and Lily

508
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,079
wants to know, Lisa, do
you think you're going to start researching them

509
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:51,840
as well? Oh my gosh,
I don't think I will go looking for

510
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,840
them, but I think anytime that
I'm out in the field researching Bigfoot,

511
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,320
I think that I will be watching
for them. And now I go back

512
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,559
and wonder if some of the experiences
that I've already thought were bigfoot were possibly

513
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:15,440
dog man even then, yeah,
I just might have been. You never

514
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,159
know. And I see a question
from Glendon Hartwell, he wanted to know

515
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920
how big was the biggest one you've
seen? Well, she's only seen one

516
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,800
that ten footer, so that's the
biggest one. The next question is from

517
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,679
Murtaza Reef and he wants to know
do you think your car headlights attracted the

518
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:42,480
dog man to show itself. I
don't know, because it wasn't where you

519
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:47,960
could see it from the truck from
the headlights, because it was thirty foot

520
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,719
off the side of the road in
a small clearing area. And I don't

521
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,960
think we would have even noticed it. If I hadn't had my headlamp on,

522
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,639
you probably wouldn't have. But there's
that possibility that you would have noticed

523
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:09,000
its eyes. So there's a strong
possibility actually that would have happened, but

524
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:14,239
you never know. It's hard to
say. The next one is from baby

525
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,280
Girl and her question is you said
it's fur was black? Did it have

526
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,599
any color in its fur? No? No, all we saw was just

527
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:30,119
black. That's it. That makes
it easy. Well. The next question

528
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,920
is from a Moon reye on four
and A Moon's question is do you think

529
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:44,000
it's possible to film one of the
dog men? Well, I think if

530
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,960
I would have had a camera that
was, you know, already right there,

531
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,960
maybe on the truck, it would
have picked it up. But as

532
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:58,599
far as you know, I'm sure
we all had cameras on our phones,

533
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,840
and not once did we even think
about picking it up to film this thing.

534
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,440
And I think it's because the shock
of it all it's just not something

535
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,639
you think about. It's the same
thing with people who have other sightings of

536
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,239
other cryptids. The last thing on
their mind is looking for something to record

537
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,480
it, or looking for something to
take a picture of it or anything.

538
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,719
It's just not something you think about
doing when you're in the moment. Well,

539
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,760
you know the old adage everyone has
a plan until they get hit,

540
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,360
so that definitely fits here. Couldn't
agree more. You a food droom guy

541
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,360
wants to know regarding singing. I
guess he's talking about the calls that you

542
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:49,039
do when you get the best results
day or night. Thanks. Well,

543
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,239
like I said, we're usually researching
sasquatch and we're usually doing all of our

544
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:59,079
calls at night, and we've never
actually, you know, tried calling to

545
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:02,760
them during the day, though we've
had some things happened during the day.

546
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,960
It's usually stuff being thrown and you
know, trees have been pushed down and

547
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,880
the limbs broke off and things like
that. But I don't think they make

548
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:20,360
as much sound during the day as
at night. But as far as dog

549
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,280
Man's concerned there, I absolutely have
no idea about them because I've just now

550
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:31,760
just now knew they were real the
education starts, now, Yeah, that's

551
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,760
not your fault. The next one
is from T Twee and her question is

552
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:45,400
do you think the dog man is
flesh and blood or supernatural? Oh gosh,

553
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,719
that's hard to say. I think
what I saw looked flesh and blood

554
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,960
and at the same time didn't make
any sense. And I think they're probably

555
00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,000
just like most bigfoot and as far
as I'm concerned, and there's both running

556
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,559
around out there, and you know, I won't go any further than that

557
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,079
on saying that, but I think
I think there are both. I think

558
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:14,880
there's some that's biological and then there
are some that may be altered in some

559
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,960
way. I can't say for sure, but Dogman's probably the same way.

560
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,039
Yeah, there's a strong possibility.
And there is a comment in the chat

561
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,679
that I want to address. It's
a canard. A canard is a commonly

562
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:35,519
held belief that's incorrect, and this
statement is incorrect. I'm not going to

563
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,360
name the person who made this comment, because it's not their fault. They

564
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:45,360
just don't know. But when eyewitnesses
read comments like this not knowing any better,

565
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,360
it just perpetuates the problem that a
lot of eyewitnesses wind up having the

566
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,800
comment is bigfoot in dog men are
not your friends. Well, I can't

567
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,360
say I disagree with that. I
do disagree strongly with the next part.

568
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,920
These are dangerous creatures and to go
looking for them or to be naive to

569
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,119
think they won't kill you is insane. Well, yes, they will kill

570
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:13,559
you if you do things that are
very foolish, or if you happen to

571
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,559
run into a dangerous one. I'm
never going to say there's no such thing

572
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:22,920
as a dangerous dog me in or
a dangerous sasquatch. But if what she's

573
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,679
trying to say in her comment is
that as soon as they have an opportunity

574
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,559
to kill you they will, or
to harm you, they will, that

575
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,840
is totally false, totally false.
There's a huge group of people out there

576
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,719
who have this crazy idea that these
guys are wired to kill you as soon

577
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,360
as the opportunity presents itself. If
that's the case, then why have I

578
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,800
literally spoken with thousands in thousands of
dog men eye witnesses over the years.

579
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,920
I've been doing this since two thousand
and seven, and who knows how many

580
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,079
of these people eyewitnesses I've spoken with
were dead to rights on foot in the

581
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:06,599
woods, no one else around,
no weapon, not that the weapon would

582
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,000
make a difference, but within grabbing
distance, even in a lot of cases.

583
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:14,880
But they were allowed to leave without
a single scratch, not a single

584
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,320
hair in their heads being harmed.
That's because what I say is true.

585
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,559
These guys are not wired to harm
you as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

586
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:29,360
I know it's all too easy to
believe that because of how these guys

587
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,400
look, how frightening they are,
the things they do to frighten us,

588
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,960
to make us think that they do
want to kill us as soon as you

589
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,280
look at us. But understand that
is definitely not the case. Now people

590
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,360
will say, yeah, I can
appreciate you saying that, Vic, but

591
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,320
what about the people who have been
killed by these guys. They can't come

592
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,079
talk with you. And that's true, that's true, they can't. But

593
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:55,519
that still doesn't erase the fact that
I've spoken with so many eyewitnesses who were

594
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:00,519
caught dead to rights and if the
dog man they encountered had it on its

595
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,280
mind that wanted to murder them,
slaughter them, having for lunch, dinner,

596
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
you name it, then I wouldn't
have had opportunities to speak with these

597
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,800
people. So yeah, that does
rule out the possibility that these guys are

598
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,480
wired to be that dangerous, because
again that's not the case. It's not.

599
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:30,159
The next question is from well,
that's a goofy question there, so

600
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:34,679
we're gonna do away with that.
The next question would be from Susie,

601
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,079
a lady. Her question is what
color eyes did you say it had?

602
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:45,719
I called them fire orange they because
you know, I was just sitting at

603
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,639
a campfire earlier and it was the
color of the campfire flames and that's a

604
00:49:51,800 --> 00:50:00,400
yellowish orange color, a yellowish orange. That's part for the chorus. That's

605
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,800
what most eyewitnesses report when they tell
me about a dog man account they had.

606
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,480
And then, like in fire Fear
has a comment he basically is actually

607
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,159
asking me, are you sure about
that a dog man killed a whole family

608
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:20,760
and the land between the lakes near
Kentucky and a dog man was going to

609
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,920
kill four teenagers in Ohio? You
can find this one. Well, that

610
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,800
goes back to the point that I
made that yes, there are dangerous dog

611
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,559
men. I've said it all along, that there are a dangerous dog men

612
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:37,039
that will kill you as soon as
look at you. If the opportunity presents

613
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,559
itself. But the main takeaway I've
always stuck to is as a whole,

614
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,519
they are not wired to be that
way. There are people Jeffrey Dahmer,

615
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:51,320
Ted Bundy, there are people who
will kill you if they get the opportunity.

616
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,719
There are horses, there are dogs, There are camels, pigs,

617
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:00,480
goats that will harm you if they
have the opportunity because they're just deviant to

618
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,599
be dangerous. So why should sasquatch? Why should dog men be different?

619
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,119
But that doesn't mean for a second
that people, goats, pigs, horses,

620
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:14,400
you name it, are wired as
a whole to be dangerous and harm

621
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,320
you as soon as the opportunity presents
itself. So yeah, that's the main

622
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,719
point I'm making. Yes, there
are dangerous examples of the species, but

623
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:30,559
as a whole, as far as
being programmed just by nature dog men wanting

624
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,800
to just kill you as soon as
you have the opportunity, that clearly is

625
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:39,280
not the case. The evidence states
that The next question is from Mars Stall,

626
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,280
and Mar's question is did you go
back to look for tracks? Okay,

627
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,519
before I answer that, I didn't
want to hit on what you said.

628
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,159
I think you need to show respect
for all animals in the woods.

629
00:51:53,880 --> 00:52:00,800
Bear will attack and kill you given
the right opportunity. And I think a

630
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,239
lot of this sidequatch and everything else
that you meet up with depends on how

631
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,639
they've been treated in the past.
You have to look at things. You

632
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,320
have to know all the facts about
what's going on with something before you can

633
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,000
just say it's dangerous. But I'll
come go back to Uh did I go

634
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:21,719
look for tracks? Yes, the
next day we did go back. We

635
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:27,239
took pictures of the location, but
it was grass. It was a forested

636
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,360
area and it was just a clearing
in the middle of the forest and there

637
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:36,519
was no area that there could have
been tracks. We couldn't find any.

638
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,639
Yeah, considering the trauma you were
suffering from, I'm not surprised you didn't

639
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:46,480
head back there to look for them. That probably would have been a big

640
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:53,039
mistake. So I'm glad you didn't
to see the least. The next question

641
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:04,519
is from Screwling here, a Polish
mom. So if you believe in dogmen,

642
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,960
now do you believe in everything else? UFOs, little people, riggs,

643
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:16,440
et cetera. Well, it has
changed my world. I do believe

644
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,960
in a lot more out there than
I used to as far as UFOs,

645
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:28,599
those I've always thought were real,
but little people and stuff like that,

646
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,639
I do believe they're probably out there. There's probably a lot of things that

647
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,320
we've never run into before. And
I'm fifty five years old. I was

648
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,199
fifty five, been in the woods
all my life before I finally saw a

649
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,840
dog man. So yeah, I
believe that there are other things out there.

650
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:52,880
Now you know of the things are
out there. Unfortunately. The next

651
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,719
one is from Brian Wallace, and
Brian wants to know, are you afraid

652
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:02,519
to see more dog men? I'm
a little unnerved, but you know,

653
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,000
I'm I think it depends on what
context that I see them in. Is.

654
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,320
I don't want one coming up to
my camp, but you know,

655
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,480
I don't want a sidequatch coming up
to my camp either. But you know,

656
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:22,760
although it does happen, I think
if I'm somewhere else in a setting

657
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:27,239
like I was in a vehicle or
something, I'd be open to seeing another

658
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,320
one. But I don't know.
That's just so hard to say. How

659
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:40,920
about m one Abrams hovering at a
thousand feet would that be better? I

660
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,679
mean, if you have to have
to have a dogt man, the counter

661
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,719
that's the best way to see it
in my opinion. If you're worried about

662
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:52,119
being traumatized by it, Yeah,
that would be the Yeah, it would

663
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:58,679
be definitely. The next one's from
baby Girl and her question is you mentioned

664
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:04,920
when to Go. Have you possible
had a Windy Go encounter? No,

665
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:12,199
personally I haven't, but I do
know someone who possibly did have a Wendigo

666
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:20,559
encounter, so I know they're out
there too. Yes they are. And

667
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:27,400
I miss touching on something from license
question earlier about the LBL murder or the

668
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,760
alleged LBL murder. And then there's
another one that he quoted that supposedly happened

669
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,840
in Ohio. There was an eyewitness
that came on the show named Matt who

670
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,280
had to encounter a traumatic encounter inside
an abandon factory or an old warehouse.

671
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,840
Well, he posed that as another
case of people, I think four people

672
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,039
that he claimed that License claimed,
We're going to be murdered. Well,

673
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:55,079
there's no way to know that,
because the dog man it did what is

674
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,679
pretty commonly done in dogman encounters.
It made those guys, those boys that

675
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,440
day that night, think that it
wanted to kill them. But as capable

676
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,920
as dogmen are if they wanted to
kill you in almost every case, if

677
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,480
it had full access to you,
the way that Dogman had full access to

678
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,960
those boys that day, I don't
care if they went up above and quote

679
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:24,039
unquote saved themselves by trying to hide
up on that mezzanine that elevated area.

680
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,840
If that Dogmian wanted to get to
them, it would have gotten to them

681
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,199
and on the way home, that's
another opportunity. If it wanted to get

682
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,679
to them, it would have gotten
to those boys and slaughtered them if it

683
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,840
wanted to do so. But the
reason why they got away was because it

684
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,800
did not want to harm them.
Their mo is to go out of their

685
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,079
way to make sure they frighten you
to within an inch of your life,

686
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,360
just the way that dog man did
to Matt and his buddies that night.

687
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,199
And then once that's accomplished, okay, good, well I got what I

688
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,159
wanted. It goes its way and
lets you go your way. Does that

689
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,559
sound familiar because that's exactly what happened
that night to Matt. So yeah,

690
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:07,559
it's all too easy with eyewitnesses.
That's when the problems start, when you

691
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:12,559
start making more of an encounter than
is actually there. When you turn a

692
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:16,239
situation where you think a dog mean
was trying to kill you and turn that

693
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,679
into oh my god, he was
definitely trying to kill us. Well,

694
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,079
like I said, these guys are
so athletic, so so fast, so

695
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:29,760
strong. Their implements of destruction are
so impressive. If they want to kill

696
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,719
you, they're going to get to
you and kill you. If you get

697
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,559
away, ninety nine point nine percent
of the time, it's because they allowed

698
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:40,000
you to. They just wanted to
create the illusion, and their masters at

699
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:46,360
creating that illusion to make you convinced
that they wanted to kill you. That's

700
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:51,599
why it's so hard for so many
eyewitnesses to come to terms with their dog

701
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,679
mean encounters. That's something that Mike
from episodes five oh four and five oh

702
00:57:55,679 --> 00:58:01,000
eight last week's show, we talked
about extensively. Is Mike I told him,

703
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:06,800
Mike, don't let these guys make
you convinced that they actually wanted to

704
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,920
kill you that day, because if
they wanted to, they would have done

705
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:15,159
it. But you're here today because
they clearly did not want that to happen.

706
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:17,719
They just wanted to get a rise
out of you. So, yeah,

707
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,159
anyone listening to this. Please keep
all this in mind. All right,

708
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,840
moving on, I guess I can
step down off of my soapbox here

709
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,159
and we can move forward. I'm
on quite a roll tonight. Actually I

710
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:39,280
need to calm down. Looking for
the next question, which would be from

711
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,239
Stephen Jackson. Vick, I think
I had an encounter, That's why I

712
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,840
found dog me on YouTube podcasts.
Well, I hope you didn't. But

713
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:51,239
if you have had an encounter,
you want to talk with me about it,

714
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,679
Stephen, And all you have to
do is just go to dogmanencounters dot

715
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,000
com, submit a report, and
yea by all means, I'll schedule a

716
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:02,039
conversation with you and we'll take it
from there. The next question is from

717
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:07,039
Robin, and Robin's question is Vic, do you think dog men get fixed

718
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:13,960
on one person and follow them from
the point to first contact on? Well,

719
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:19,840
it can seem that way with semiyewitnesses. They definitely come back and pay

720
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,079
that eyewitness visits from time to time
in some cases. But how much following

721
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:30,639
is done? How often are they
actually around that person? No one can

722
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:35,360
say. All we can do is
guess. Really, so, unfortunately I

723
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,199
can't answer that question for you.
All I can do is yes, let's

724
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,400
see the next question I get out
there. Oh, I'm sorry, what

725
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,760
were you saying? I said,
I'll let her know as soon as I

726
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:52,320
head back out to that area.
Yeah, I hope you do go back,

727
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,159
But like I said, I'm going
to qualify that when you're getting ready.

728
00:59:54,440 --> 01:00:00,159
Not too much weight on a young
back. Like I've said, I've

729
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:04,280
got another question for you, Lisa
from aleeen Isabelle, and that question is

730
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,719
could you see how long the claws
were? No, because, like I

731
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:14,119
said, if we never actually could
see the body, all we saw was

732
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:21,000
the eyes and the outline. You
can only go by what you saw.

733
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,679
It's not your fault that you didn't
see them. I've got another one for

734
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,440
you from baby Girl, and her
question is did the dog mean make any

735
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:36,400
sounds? No, it did not
make any sounds. And if it made

736
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,519
any sounds, I mean I've heard
people say that they make these sounds when

737
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:45,199
they stand up, like bones cracking. But when we started moving on the

738
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,280
gravel, I would not have been
able to have heard that from the gravel

739
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,079
on the street. But while we
were sitting there, it never made a

740
01:00:52,159 --> 01:01:00,400
sound at all. I didn't think
it had. Got another one for you

741
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,000
from Stephen Jackson. Stephen wants to
know, did you hear anything in your

742
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:12,800
head? Uh, just fear.
I just heard what am I looking at?

743
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:19,320
And this thing is not something that
I understand. I never heard any

744
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:27,280
voices or anything like that. Some
eyewitnesses report mine speak, but yeah,

745
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,320
most don't, so that's no surprise. There doesn't make any different from most

746
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:37,239
eyewitnesses. I've got a comment by
Baby Girl. She says, they live

747
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,960
off our fears, but I don't
think they're wired to kill humans. Well

748
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,559
they're not. Yeah, the numbers
definitely prove that. And thank goodness.

749
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Can you imagine a world where these
guys were out to kill you as soon

750
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,199
as they had the opportunity. That's
not the kind of world I want to

751
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,159
live in. That wouldn't be good. Good luck spending any time in the

752
01:01:55,159 --> 01:02:01,280
woods if that's the case. Yeah, no spending time. And what's then?

753
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:07,079
Well, looks like I've got another
question for you, and this one

754
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:14,119
is from Glade's Creature and their question
is were any missed fogs or shadow heeses

755
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:20,599
with this dog man? No,
I didn't see anything like that. Like

756
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:27,239
I said, all there was was
this total quiet that was unnerving. I'm

757
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,840
glad there wasn't any fog or missed
or shadow hazes out there that would just

758
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:35,960
make this whole experience that much more
frightening. It really would. I've got

759
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,960
another one for you from Mertaza,
a reef and Martaza's question is is the

760
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,559
land that you saw the dog me
in each land? Is that why you

761
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:53,159
think dogman occupies it? Well,
this location where we actually saw this,

762
01:02:53,320 --> 01:03:00,079
there is some history there. There
are old salt mines in the area,

763
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:07,719
and the whole area has these like
underground salt mines, and I think there's

764
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,400
a lot of strange activity in that
area because you know, most animals do

765
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:19,679
require salt in their diet, and
I think that maybe this area has a

766
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:27,119
lot of activity because of the salt
content. You might be onto something there.

767
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,599
Yeah, pretty much everything out there
needs salt, especially predators. But

768
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:36,960
I mean angulates they need salt too, so I guess you can count them

769
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:42,679
in. Also, it's funny in
the comments, Cindy, i'mhoff is trying

770
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,679
to encourage me, which is never
a good idea. Her comment is,

771
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:49,440
Haha, Vic, your funny.
Don't calm down. Yeah, don't encourage

772
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,719
me. I'll get back on this
soapbox and start babbling about that stuff.

773
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,280
Well, it's almost time for us
to get out of here, Lisa,

774
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,119
but before do you host a podcast
of your own called Cryptids Are Limited?

775
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:10,320
Please tell us about it. Yes, it's a new podcast and I'm only

776
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:18,159
like that episode eleven, and it's
basically just I started it because people had

777
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,920
bigfoot sightings and didn't know who to
talk to, and I wanted to give

778
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,400
them a platform to just come tell
their stories. And I named it Cryptids

779
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,159
Unlimited because I didn't want to,
you know, make it about just bigfoot.

780
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,920
I mean, there's other things out
there too, and I knew that,

781
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:40,719
or I wouldn't named it that even
before I saw dog Man. But

782
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,079
you know, there's other cryptids out
there too, and I want everybody to

783
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:47,920
be able to come talk about it. And like you said, talking about

784
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,599
it it makes you feel better,
It really does. And the more you

785
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:54,079
talk about it, I think the
more you come to terms with it.

786
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,039
And so yeah, I hope everybody
will come over and at least give us

787
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:01,280
a visit. I need all the
help I can get. Well, of

788
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,000
course, here you're just getting started, and for everyone listening, I hope

789
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,519
you do check out Lisa's channel and
to make it really easy to find.

790
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,760
If you go to the description for
tonight's show, you're going to find a

791
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,039
link that'll take your right to our
channel. So, like I said,

792
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,440
I really hope you do check it
out. But having said that, like

793
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,519
I said earlier on, if you've
had a dogging encounter of your own that

794
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:25,440
you'd like to speak with me about, it doesn't matter if you want to

795
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,480
just speak with me about it in
private and never do a show, or

796
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,719
if you want to do a show
as well, please go to dogmanencounters dot

797
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:35,199
com and submit a report. If
you do that, then I'll be sure

798
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:41,880
to reach out to you and excuse
me contact you to schedule a conversation so

799
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,400
we could have a good talk about
it. But having said that, thanks

800
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,639
again so much for coming on and
sharing the details of that experience with us,

801
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:54,800
Lisa, I really appreciate it.
Now you're welcome because, like you

802
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,840
said, talking about it it does
make you feel better, It really does.

803
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:02,159
It really does us. Well,
thanks again so much for your time

804
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:08,239
and have a great night. Thank
you, bet you too. Thanks,

805
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:08,719
we'll see you