At at at Hey, everyone, thanks so much for listening to this live
stream episode of dog mun Encounters Radio. For tonight's show, we're going to
bring on a sasquatch researcher. It's been a while since we've had a bigfoot
researcher on the show, but of course they have dogman encounters too, and
it's kind of an ironic situation with tonight's guest. You see, she's been
researching sasquatch for twenty three years now, and at one point before she had
her dog mune encounter, that is, she and her friends used to research
sasquatch. Well, they used to make fun of people who saw dog men,
or at least one lady who they knew who told them or tried to
tell them about a dogman encounter that she had. Well, a little over
a week ago, actually a week and one day before today, she and
three of her researching friends had a dogman encounter that really shook them to the
core. And of course that's what we're going to talk with her about tonight.
Of course, I'm talking about Lisa Leech. Lisa, thanks so much
for coming on. Thank you, Vick. I've never expected to be here,
but if I was going to be anywhere talking about dog man. I'm
glad I found you. Well, thanks so much for coming on. And
you never really do expect to have a dog man encounter until it happens.
I'm so sorry to hear that you had to have that experience. If I
had my drothers, I'd much rather have you in the camp of people that
just didn't believe they existed than for you to know as a fact, due
to unfortunate circumstances, that they really are out there. But yeah, we're
going to get into all of that and about ten minutes. But before we
get to that point, I want to talk with you about your research that
you put in the Sasquatch. Now, approximately twenty three years ago you started
researching sasquatch, and that was due to an encounter you had with a bigfoot
that paid you a late night visit when you were at ten. If I
had my druthers, like I said before, all the time that you spent
out in the woods, you'd have your mind on nothing but sasquatch. But
now that you know dogmen are out there also, which that's a new concern
for you. What are your thoughts on that? How are you going to
be able to function out there? Well, Initially, right after seeing this
thing, I didn't think I would. I was pretty sure I would not
be able to stay out in the woods again. But the night afterwards we
forced ourselves to stay there overnight in the camp, which, you know,
you meet your fears like that, and afterwards you survived and you feel a
little better. But I still wasn't so sure about being able to stay out
in a tent by myself. And I've talked to you, and you've made
me feel a lot better about it by understanding that they've always been there and
I just didn't know it until now. That's right, the most definitely,
they most definitely have been out there. And like I told you in that
first conversation, we had think about how many times you've been out there looking
for a sasquatch when these guys were around watching you. Nothing happened to any
of those times. So that doesn't mean it's any more likely for you to
have problems. Now. Sure it's possible that you're going to have another dog
mean encounter, but yeah, that's not a given. It's all too easy
to think that once you have a dog mean encounter, you're almost doomed to
have another, then another. But yeah, most cases that just doesn't happen,
So please keep that in mind. I've got a question for you that
I meant to ask you the first time we spoke, that it just slipped
my mind. I never did ask you about this. You told me that
you had a friend when she found out that you were so distraught about this
dog, mean the counter you had, she told you that you needed to
contact me. Who was this friend? I think it was a lease or
that told me that she is one of our members of our big Footing Female
Friends in the South, the all female group that I'm in, and she's
I think she was the one who told me because she's always believed they were
out there. She's not the one who had her own dog me in the
counter? Is she no totally different friend? Okay, I thought it must
have been. I didn't want to assume, because you know what that does,
but yeah, I was pretty sure it wasn't the same person. Do
you think that it's going to be some time before you're going to be ready
to head back out into the woods and actually look for sasquatch or do you
think you're maybe going to be able to do that sooner than what most people
would expect. Well, I'll probably head back out next month, and that's
just I'm addicted to sasquatch research and I really don't think anything would keep me
out of the woods. But I won't be alone, and we're always armed
and we're always ready for anything. So even though I'm a little nervous about
going back out there again, I do think I will be well good.
I hope you do not too much weight on a young back, But when
you're getting ready to do that, I hope you do, and maybe steps,
of course, I hope you do start heading back out there. You
know, it's funny I told you about the walks I take deep in the
woods. When I have time to be able to do that. That is
well, since we spoke for the first timetally have been back out into the
big woods and went on a nice long mile or actually as miles and I
headed in. But yeah, went on another walk. I wasn't armed and
didn't have anyone else with me. And here I am again, like I
told you in that first conversation, when I get time to do that,
I do that, And here I am it's a forest where there are dog
men. There's a sasquatch in that forest too. In fact, that a
sasquatch related experience not too long ago, less than a month ago, in
those woods. But yeah, life goes on. Life goes on. I
hope you enjoy every single minute of it. And you really don't let this
experience cut your legs off from underneath of you, because if you allow that
to happen, it really would be a shame. Of course, you have
to do this in a meterred way, and like I said, take baby
steps getting back out there. But when you're ready to head back out into
the woods, I really hope you do. Well. There will be some
things that I will initially be able to do, like we used to hike
in the woods, you know, or down the road just walking in the
middle of the night, and I think it'll be a little while before I'll
be able to do that again. But as far as going out, you
know, to the campsite and maybe riding to an investigation area, I'll probably
be staying in the car for a while, but I'll work myself back up
to it. Well that's fine, Yeah, do what you need to do.
Sleep in the car, take baby steps, like I said, in
your own good time. You'll know when you're ready, and when you are,
just take a bigger step and then a bigger step after that, just
in your own good time. As you know, there's never any rush to
do this. And as far as taking guns out there to try and quote
unquote protect yourself from dogmen or sasquatch, that's just a fallacy in my opinion.
I mean, these guys, if they're really wanted to get you,
a gun's not going to protect you from them. And if it did protect
you, for example, sasquatch or what you focus on, if you did
happen to have to actually, in whatever situation, have to shoot a sasquatch,
then what about the other sasquatch in the area. So yeah, I
mean that's one of the biggest reasons why I just don't count on a gun
to protect myself from them out there in the woods, because if they really
wanted to get you, they would whether you have a gun or not.
Oh yeah, the guns not for protection against sasquatch or not dog man,
because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work anyways. But it's for protection from other
people and from hogs and things like that. Oh sure, and yeah,
that's always a good idea. But some people they take a gun with them
for the express reason of protecting themselves or trying to protect themselves from sasquatch.
Now, yeah, if a sasquatch sees a gun, some of the sasquatch
in those instances will be frightened away. But there have been countless for reporters
from credible eyewitnesses where they encountered a sasquatch and that sasquatch wasn't frightened off by
them having a gun with them. And I mean, what's the end game
here? Like I said, if you do have to actually shoot one,
it's not like that's going to guarantee your protection because in most cases that's just
the beginning of your problems. So yeah, that was more of a comment
that was addressed to the public than to you, because after speaking with you,
I was pretty sure you knew better anyway. Huh. Yeah, Now,
I don't think it would do a bit of good in either case.
You probably just make something more mad, that's right. Yeah, there are
a lot of accounts to back that up too. Well, let's get into
it now, Lisa, in your own good time. When you're ready,
please tell us about your encounter. Now give us every last detail that comes
to mind. Okay, Well, like I said, I'm in a bigfoot
in female Friends of the South group and five of us decided to go out
camping in the Kasachi National Forest in central Louisiana. I can't give away the
exact location because it's one of our research areas, but we were primitive camping
and we're not at a campground. We were pretty secluded and we just decided,
well, the first night we were there, we kept hearing coyotes and
something else would yell with the coyotes before the coyotes would go off, and
we assumed it was a sisquatch, because you know, that's just what you
assume when you're out there and you don't believe in dog men, and so
we were pretty hyped about that. And all night long it did it.
Four or five times we would hear it and then the coyotes would go off.
And we actually got a recording of that, and I'll have to send
it to you when I get it downloaded. But we decided that second night
we were there, that Thursday last week, to take some equipment some blasting
equipment and some recordings that we had found that were supposed subsquatch recordings, like
the Ohio recording, and we decided to ride down the road and blast these
sounds out the window. And of course I have my own call that I
do that's a lot different from any other researchers calls. And so at one
point we stopped and we were blasting and one of the ladies, the lady
that was driving, her name's Alicia, she felt very uneasy and she couldn't
figure out why. She just kept telling us something's not right. Well,
we realized there were no sounds anywhere. It was just total quiet. And
although we've been in that before and many times, we just said, well,
there's a predator around, and you know, susquatch comes in the area,
you always know that all of the smaller critters and things are going to
be quiet. It was like that that night, but it was an uneasy
quiet. It was it was not that quiet that you normally get. It
was a quiet that came with the feeling of strangeness, of unease. And
we continued to drive down the road and we had found a road that had
a weird name and it was called Strange Road, and we said, well,
let's just go check this road out, because there's a reason it has
that name. You know, all the all of the roads that have these
strange names usually have a history. So we headed down that road blasting and
on the way back about the same area where I had let out that one
yell that I did. We were riding with our headlamps on, and I
had mindset on the red because sometimes that will show you a lot of eyeshine,
but yet it doesn't agitate the animal's eyes to bad, but you can
still pick up on the eye shine. And we had seen several sets of
ice shine, but you know, one was an owl, and we sat
and we watched it for a minute, and there were some deer. And
then as we're riding down the road, we passed this one area. It's
a small clearing on the side of the road. I saw what I thought
were these orange reflectors, and I yelled, what was that? Stop?
Back up? Back up, back up, back up. And Alicia was
driving, and I had a friend of Lisa Orr in the back seat,
and she was on the driver's side, and then I was on the passenger
side. We had all of our windows rolled down, she backed up,
and as she was backing up, I flipped my spotlight on and she flipped
hers on. And when we backed up, I really expected, if it
was an animal, that it wouldn't still be there, because normally, when
you see something on the side of the road, you know, I'm familiar
with bears and deer and even hogs and stuff. When you back up,
it normally runs from you. So I was kind of expecting it to be
gone. But when we backed up, it was still sitting there, same
spot, about thirty feet from my side of the vehicle, and we're just
looking at these eyes and they were they were the color of our campfire flames,
that's the way I described them. They were flame orange, a yellowish
orange. And they were huge. Oh my god, they were huge.
They were had to have been sitting on this massive head, because these eyes
looked like they were sitting on a head that would have been a foot wide.
And we're just sitting there staring at it for a moment, and it's
just staring back at us, and it's about five foot off the ground,
and we're trying to figure out what we're looking at, and we're just mesmerized
and you could feel this, oh gosh, like it was just looking straight
through you, like it could just look into your soul. And we could
tell that it had no fear, no fear whatsoever of us, and I
think it knew we were scared a bit. But we had time to sit
there and stare at this thing for a period of time where we had a
conversation of the lady in the back, at least she kept asking what are
y'all seeing? And Alicia said, you don't want to know, and I
said, no, you don't. And Alise said, well, what is
it? Is it? Is it a hog or something? And I said,
there is nothing in this area of the world that is that big,
and Alicia was in agreement. She told her, no, there's not We
don't know what that is. And Alise was still saying, well, what
is it? What is it? I can't see? And I said,
at least you don't want to know. And as far as the body,
you could see this black, just blackness. It was like a black mass.
She couldn't really make out any of the body except that it was black.
And these eyes they were so they didn't have pupils, they didn't have
any whites in the eyes and they never blinked. They never blinked one time,
and we were just I can't even explain how we were like staring at
something that we couldn't figure out, that didn't make sense to us. And
Alicia decided that she'd had enough. She was shook to the core, and
she went to take off on the gravel road and she hit the gas and
just as she hit the gas and we started rolling, that thing stood up.
And I yelled. That thing just stood up. And she said what
she said, how big is it? I said, at least twice as
tall, and she said that'd be ten feet and I said, I know,
but I can't explain it. It just stood up. But while I
missed a part because while we were sitting there, it turned its head.
It turned its head sideways. It looked to its left like it heard something
or was it interested in something else to its left. It was all right,
it's left. And when it did, that's when you could tell from
the outline that it was K nine in appearance. It was. It was
like this massive K nine. And I never saw any ears, but Alicia
said she thought she saw an outline of ears sticking up on its head,
but I was mostly in shock because it stood up and that didn't make any
sense. I was like, it was already standing, as far as we
had thought, it was already standing, but I don't know if it was
crouching or if it had been sitting. But when it stood up, it
had to be ten foot tall, and that just freaked me out. So
we went back to the campsite, which turned out to only be seven tenths
of a mile from where we saw it, and we sat there. We
were shaking, and everybody was asking what happened, and I was so emotional.
I was crying. I mean, I've had big foot encounters, but
they make sense and this didn't. And I just had to calm down.
I just I couldn't speak about it. I couldn't. I couldn't talk at
all. I just told him give me a few minutes, just and they
understood, you know. And Alicia was the same way. She saw it
too, and she was she was just as shook as I was. And
we were sitting there, going why did we see a body? Because that's
what bothered us the most, aside from the eyes and it being so tall.
We were confused because we both had spotlights on it, and we couldn't
see a body, and we were looking at the trees in the spotlight beside
it and behind it. But this body was just black, and it was
blacker than black. It was like it was almost like an absence of color,
like it didn't reflect the light, like it absorbed the light. And
the eyes were the same way. They didn't reflect. They you know,
normally, when you spotlight an animal, you get this like glare from a
reflection, and these weren't reflecting like normal eyes. They were they were soaking
up the light. I want to say, they were more of a glow
that didn't glare like normal eyes. I can't even explain it. It was
I don't know. It just didn't seem right. And we told everybody else
what we had seen, and they were they were freaking out too, And
the lady that was in the back seat at last, she was like,
well, I wish i'd seen it, And I said, no, I
really don't think you do wish you had seen it. I think you should
be glad you didn't, because nothing has ever shaken me up like that.
I didn't believe that dog men or werewolves or whatever you want to call it.
In Louisiana we call it a rugaroo. But I didn't believe those were
real. Those were just legends. And you know, as far as people
who had said they had seen them, you know, who am I to
question if anybody seen anything? But I always thought they were just mistaken on
what they had seen, and maybe they had seen a bigfoot. You always
when you're a bigfoot researcher, you always try to make everything bigfoot, and
I always thought all of those sightings were just misidentified bigfoot. So this was
not supposed to exist, and it has totally blown my world apart, and
I I don't know what to do with that. You know, well,
like I told you the first time we spoke, it'd be one thing if
your first exposure to these guys was when you had that encounter about eight days
ago. But I all but guarantee all the times you've been out in the
woods, all the countless hours you've been beating the bushes, like I told
you in that conversation, more times than you could shake a stick at,
these guys have been watching you, following you, monitoring you. Nothing happened
any of those times, so there's nothing to lead you to believe that any
of the future times you head into the woods, anything negative is going to
happen to you. It's possible, but I just don't think you're going to
have any more problems. You might see another dog, mean, like I
said, but the odds of actually being harmed by one are very slim,
so please keep that in mind. And this isn't a guaranteed explanation for it.
But you mentioned how the body you shine spotlights on its body but you
still couldn't see it. Well, were you aware that bison, for example,
they have fur that soaks up sunlight and soaks up light periods. So
if you shine a spotlight on a bison, it does the same thing.
You don't see the glow of your light. It's like their fur absorbs that
light. Did you know that? No? I absolutely did not know that.
Yeah, that's true. That's how it is. Yeah, countless people
have come around a corner on roads in Montana, Wyoming where they're a bison
and they've hit them because they didn't see them until the last second because their
headlights were absorbed by that fur. I can't remember what the term is for
that, but yeah, their fur has that quality or it actually absorbs light.
So again, that's not a guaranteed explanation for why you couldn't see the
body of that dog me in. But it's a possibility. It's something to
think about. Okay, yes, it absolutely is. That would make more
sense. And when you initially told me that they had been out there all
this time, I was that didn't make me feel better at first, because
I was like, no, don't give me that. I don't want to
think about that, because I was like, I never want to see this
thing again. And we always when we sat around the campfire, you know,
doing our bigfoot stuff or whatever, we always somebody would bring up the
subject and we'd stop them and we'd go, no, we don't talk about
that. We don't want to talk about that because we don't want to believe
that that exists, because we may not ever go back in the woods again.
And it's what we always said. And you know, I'm concerned about
Alicia Moore than myself because she was a new researcher and she's not had the
scary bigfoot encounters that I've had and some of the others have had, and
for her this was a real eye opener, you know, And I mean,
she's not even experienced a bigfoot yet and here she is seeing this wherewith
looking thing that's not supposed to be out there, and I probably will have
to wean her back into things. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised, Like
I told you that conversation if if she would benefit from a conversation with me,
there's never any requirement to come on the show. Just have her let
me know that I'm more than happy to help. And if she is interested
in reaching out at helping for a helping hand that is, then you have
her contact me and I'd be more than happy to help her or anyone else
in your grouper, anyone else that you know is ad an encounter that would
like to have some help, So please keep that in mind. Yea,
she and I are the only two that actually saw it. But she steadily
has been She lives in Georgia and she's been texting me constantly since then,
trying to come up with any explanation. And she's been like, well maybe
it was this, but no, that don't fit. Well. I tried
to think this, but no, that don't fit either, and she's like,
nothing fits, nothing makes sense. And I told her I said,
Look, I did the same thing when I first saw it. When I
first saw it stand up, I was like, well, maybe it went
up a hill or maybe it climbed a tree, but neither of those were
anywhere near where we were. And you know, you just try to do
that, You try to think of something that makes sense out of it without
admitting to yourself what you've seen. But she may have to call you and
speak with you before it's all over with, because I don't think she's taking
it very well. Yeah, it doesn't sound like she is. Well,
like I said, if she needs help, I'll be here for so.
Yeah, please let her know. We've already established the fact that you didn't
believe in dogmen before you had that encounter eight days ago. But before that
point, had you ever heard about any quote unquote dog man encounters happening in
the Kosache? Well, I actually hadn't even heard the term dog man or
anything like that til about two years ago when one of our members was camping
with us and she mentioned that she thought she had a dog man that came
up behind her house, and she told us about this thing growling at her,
and she had taken pictures of the footprint, and it's this big footprint.
It's wide in the front and it comes down real narrow in the back,
and it's got these claws on it about it. I don't know,
about an inch and a half two inches long. And of course when she
showed me the picture, I was, of course trying to make it a
big foot print, and I'm going, well, maybe those are toenails,
but they obviously weren't, you know, they were claws. And I had
to admit I didn't know what that was a picture of. But she was
telling us that, and of course we you want to believe somebody, but
at the same time you're like, well, she's mistaken, She's just she's
got a big foot I don't know what she's got a picture of footprint.
I don't know. When you know, we thought, well she's a little
crazy, but like I said, we didn't believe there was such a thing.
And now I have since spoken to her and I said, look,
I did, I thought you were crazy. I said, I'm sorry because
if you experienced something that I experienced, I said, I feel so bad
for making fun of that. And I apologize to her because you know,
that was just wrong. I don't know why we tend to do that if
it doesn't fit into our little box, we want to make fun of it
or just not believe it or you know, I don't think it's so much
as not believe in somebody as it is for your own safety. You don't
want to admit that that's out there. You know. I do the same
thing with skin walkers. I'm like, I don't want to hear about them.
I don't want to talk about them. I don't ever want to see
one, you know, And doesn't mean that it's not out there. It
just means that I don't want to believe they're out there, you know,
I do understand. Yeah, it's a lot more convenient to convince yourself that
these guys aren't out there, because if you can do that, then heading
into the woods is a lot easier. Well, understanding how they operate that
has a huge effect on how easy it is to head into the woods too.
But yeah, I mean, if you can convince yourself that they're not
a reality, that's the easiest out So it's totally understandable why you would do
that. But that brings me to my next question for you. Before I
start asking the questions, that the listeners have for you. My last question
for you is are you glad knowing that they're actually out there or if you
had your druthers, would rather just not know even though they're amongst you when
you're in the woods. Well I always said I would rather not know,
But the more I've thought about it, I'm glad I do know now,
and I'm glad I actually experienced one in a way that didn't feel too threatening,
so that I'm not terrified as I would be if something like you know,
came at me, or you know, they want to chase the truck
when we left, or something. You know. I'm glad I experienced it
in the way that I did, and I am glad that I know they're
there now. Well that's a good outlook. Never lose sight of the fact
that you're a strong woman, Lisa, and you can definitely deal with this.
It's all attitude. It's all on how you look at it. If
you let human nature get the best of you, then yeah, you will
have trouble dealing with the fact that, yes, they are out there.
But if you don't turn that direction, if you do focus on the truth,
then yeah, this is doable. So please remember that, and yeah,
please do your best to remember all the things that we spoke about about
these guys. Okay, oh, I sure will. That'll probably keep me
going. My husband always said that I was not afraid of anything, which
I think he exaggerates. But you know, I have been through a lot
of stuff in my past, so it was hard to scare me with things.
But I had to admit that really shook me to the core. And
speaking with you has now made me understand that I've been out there for years
now and I've never been injured by one of these things, and I'm sure
they've been there. And as a matter of fact, I've been to the
same area before many times. And you know, although I didn't see one,
I know now they were there all along. Yes they were. It's
not convenient to think about. It's not going to give you the warm and
fuzzies, but yeah, they definitely were. And all yeah, there's one
last thing I want to bring up before I start diving into the listener questions.
When we spoke about this for the first time earlier this week, there
was something that we spoke about, something I brought to your attention that it
sounded to me I could be wrong about this, but it sure sounded to
me like what I told you, what I brought to your attention shook you
more than pretty much anything to do with all this. Remember how I told
you, or I asked you, if you realize that when you headed back
to camp, you didn't head home after that encounter. You headed back to
camp, which you told me was about seven tenths of a mile from where
that encounter happened. And then I told you that I could all but guarantee
that that dog man followed you back to camp. And those sounds that you
heard outside of your tenth that night, at least some of them, there's
a strong possibility it was that dog man lurking around. Do you remember me
telling you about that? I do, And that just kind of went all
through me. I was like, oh, no, don't say that,
because that night, that's all I was picturing is There's everything I heard was
is that that thing? Is that that thing? And I was so unnerved
and thinking about the fact that it could have followed us back. That didn't
even really occur to me. I just thought my adrenaline was kicked in and
that I just thinking that, and I kept telling myself, no, that
thing was seven tenths of a mile down the road. It looked the opposite
direction, and my saving grace was that it did look the opposite direction,
and when it stood up, it was facing the opposite direction. So I
was thinking telling myself that it went the other way. And then when you
said that, I was like, oh, no, don't say that.
I don't want to think about that. Oh yeah, yeah, it's like
I said, not convenient to think about. But I want to shoot you
straight on this. And yeah, when you look at the big picture when
it comes to dog men, it helps tremendously. That's what you should always
try to do. When you step back and take a one thousand foot in
view of this experience, it's only going to help. The problems only arise
when you start to look at snippets of what happened. When you think about,
oh, that dog Meing was right there, so close to the vehicle,
But don't mod that and go into detail, ignore the fact that,
okay, yeah, that dog Muil was that close to us, but he
didn't attack us. He never acted aggressively towards us. And then looking at
it from a different aspect of this will encounter. Yeah, there's a strong
possibility that dogmun was right outside or tenth that night. Well, yeah,
that's true, but you're leaving out the part that there's a strong possibility that
Dogman was right outside or tenth that night, but it never harmed us.
So yeah, look at the big picture. That's what's going to be required
for you to deal with this in a healthy way. I know you can
do this. I know you can. It's just going to take time and
repetition until this becomes second nature makes sense. Yeah, I actually had to
have another lady sleep in my tent that night, but I'll probably have to
do that for a little while, at least the next few outings. But
it is true if it wanted to have came after us, we were only
seven tenths of a mile down the road, and if it did follow us
back, we were right there. We were in flimsy tents, and it
could have had us. That's right. It knew that. But yeah,
it never pushed the issue and attacked you because it didn't want to. That's
the best possible reason there is. All right, Well, let's dive into
the listener questions now, Lisa. The first one is from liking fire fear,
And their question is, Lisa, why do you think dog Man didn't
exist? Why did you think dog Man didn't exist? And made fun of
eyewitnesses. Well, like I said, it wasn't really that. I absolutely
didn't think they existed. I just I didn't want to think they existed.
And as far as the witnesses, I just like I said, it was
just one of those It's a safety mechanism I think that you do for yourself
to keep you from being so afraid, because the thought of something like that
being out there before I even actually saw one was like, I didn't want
it to keep me out of the woods, you know. I just didn't
want to be that scared. And I think I was more scared of them
before I saw them than I am now, if that makes any sense.
Well, before you had that encounter, you didn't know what would happen if
you did see one. But now you know what would happen because it has
happened. You had that encounter, and here we are having this conversation and
you're going to enjoy this weekend and you're gonna continue on living your life.
And no, you didn't find out the hard way that these guys are some
kind of bloody, mindless, monstrous killing machines that I'll wipe you off the
face of the earth as soon as look at you, because yeah, that's
not how they're wired. Sure, there are some dangerous ones, but as
far as in general, they are not wired that way. The numbers prove
that to be a fact. All right, I've got another question for you
from Mertaza a Reef, and Martaza's question is do you think the dog man
was attracted by your headlights? Honestly, no, I think it was attracted
by the sounds that we were blasting, and the area where we actually saw
it was in the same area that I had made that call that I do,
and the one that I do is a little deeper than most people's calls,
and I think it was attracted to that. You just might be right
about that. It's hard to say for sure, but there's a strong possibility
you are right. The next question is from Patricia Della Vega, and her
question is were you frightened? Were you scared? Lisa, Oh, yes,
to my core. I was shaken so badly. Like I said,
I got emotional and I started crying. I was so scared I've never been
that scared of anything before in my life. I mean even when I was
ten and a big foot was looking in my window and I was paralyzed with
fear back then. I don't think I was that scared then because I didn't
know what was what that was back then, But at least it made more
sense to me than what I was looking at the other day, that that
didn't make any sense. That to me was just like beyond comprehension, and
that's what shook me to my core, which is totally understandable. And you
just mentioned that bigfoot encounter you had when you were at ten, so everyone
listening knows. Of course, I also produce a bigfoot podcast called My Bigfoot
Sighting. Well, Lisa actually recorded an episode. It's actually airing tonight at
nine pm Eastern Time. It's available right now if you want to listen to
that episode that Lisa came on and talked about that encounter she had when that
bigfoot payter that late night visit when she was ten. If you go to
the description for tonight's show, you'll find a link that'll take you right to
it. If you don't want to do that, if you just want to
find it on your own. If you go to YouTube or use your favorite
podcast application, just do a search for my Bigfoot Sighting. Then if you
find if you look up episode one twenty five, you'll find tonight's episode with
Lisa talking about that experience and several other sasquatch related experiences that she's had.
Moving forward, we have a great question here from Lily Lewis, and Lily
wants to know, Lisa, do you think you're going to start researching them
as well? Oh my gosh, I don't think I will go looking for
them, but I think anytime that I'm out in the field researching Bigfoot,
I think that I will be watching for them. And now I go back
and wonder if some of the experiences that I've already thought were bigfoot were possibly
dog man even then, yeah, I just might have been. You never
know. And I see a question from Glendon Hartwell, he wanted to know
how big was the biggest one you've seen? Well, she's only seen one
that ten footer, so that's the biggest one. The next question is from
Murtaza Reef and he wants to know do you think your car headlights attracted the
dog man to show itself. I don't know, because it wasn't where you
could see it from the truck from the headlights, because it was thirty foot
off the side of the road in a small clearing area. And I don't
think we would have even noticed it. If I hadn't had my headlamp on,
you probably wouldn't have. But there's that possibility that you would have noticed
its eyes. So there's a strong possibility actually that would have happened, but
you never know. It's hard to say. The next one is from baby
Girl and her question is you said it's fur was black? Did it have
any color in its fur? No? No, all we saw was just
black. That's it. That makes it easy. Well. The next question
is from a Moon reye on four and A Moon's question is do you think
it's possible to film one of the dog men? Well, I think if
I would have had a camera that was, you know, already right there,
maybe on the truck, it would have picked it up. But as
far as you know, I'm sure we all had cameras on our phones,
and not once did we even think about picking it up to film this thing.
And I think it's because the shock of it all it's just not something
you think about. It's the same thing with people who have other sightings of
other cryptids. The last thing on their mind is looking for something to record
it, or looking for something to take a picture of it or anything.
It's just not something you think about doing when you're in the moment. Well,
you know the old adage everyone has a plan until they get hit,
so that definitely fits here. Couldn't agree more. You a food droom guy
wants to know regarding singing. I guess he's talking about the calls that you
do when you get the best results day or night. Thanks. Well,
like I said, we're usually researching sasquatch and we're usually doing all of our
calls at night, and we've never actually, you know, tried calling to
them during the day, though we've had some things happened during the day.
It's usually stuff being thrown and you know, trees have been pushed down and
the limbs broke off and things like that. But I don't think they make
as much sound during the day as at night. But as far as dog
Man's concerned there, I absolutely have no idea about them because I've just now
just now knew they were real the education starts, now, Yeah, that's
not your fault. The next one is from T Twee and her question is
do you think the dog man is flesh and blood or supernatural? Oh gosh,
that's hard to say. I think what I saw looked flesh and blood
and at the same time didn't make any sense. And I think they're probably
just like most bigfoot and as far as I'm concerned, and there's both running
around out there, and you know, I won't go any further than that
on saying that, but I think I think there are both. I think
there's some that's biological and then there are some that may be altered in some
way. I can't say for sure, but Dogman's probably the same way.
Yeah, there's a strong possibility. And there is a comment in the chat
that I want to address. It's a canard. A canard is a commonly
held belief that's incorrect, and this statement is incorrect. I'm not going to
name the person who made this comment, because it's not their fault. They
just don't know. But when eyewitnesses read comments like this not knowing any better,
it just perpetuates the problem that a lot of eyewitnesses wind up having the
comment is bigfoot in dog men are not your friends. Well, I can't
say I disagree with that. I do disagree strongly with the next part.
These are dangerous creatures and to go looking for them or to be naive to
think they won't kill you is insane. Well, yes, they will kill
you if you do things that are very foolish, or if you happen to
run into a dangerous one. I'm never going to say there's no such thing
as a dangerous dog me in or a dangerous sasquatch. But if what she's
trying to say in her comment is that as soon as they have an opportunity
to kill you they will, or to harm you, they will, that
is totally false, totally false. There's a huge group of people out there
who have this crazy idea that these guys are wired to kill you as soon
as the opportunity presents itself. If that's the case, then why have I
literally spoken with thousands in thousands of dog men eye witnesses over the years.
I've been doing this since two thousand and seven, and who knows how many
of these people eyewitnesses I've spoken with were dead to rights on foot in the
woods, no one else around, no weapon, not that the weapon would
make a difference, but within grabbing distance, even in a lot of cases.
But they were allowed to leave without a single scratch, not a single
hair in their heads being harmed. That's because what I say is true.
These guys are not wired to harm you as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
I know it's all too easy to believe that because of how these guys
look, how frightening they are, the things they do to frighten us,
to make us think that they do want to kill us as soon as you
look at us. But understand that is definitely not the case. Now people
will say, yeah, I can appreciate you saying that, Vic, but
what about the people who have been killed by these guys. They can't come
talk with you. And that's true, that's true, they can't. But
that still doesn't erase the fact that I've spoken with so many eyewitnesses who were
caught dead to rights and if the dog man they encountered had it on its
mind that wanted to murder them, slaughter them, having for lunch, dinner,
you name it, then I wouldn't have had opportunities to speak with these
people. So yeah, that does rule out the possibility that these guys are
wired to be that dangerous, because again that's not the case. It's not.
The next question is from well, that's a goofy question there, so
we're gonna do away with that. The next question would be from Susie,
a lady. Her question is what color eyes did you say it had?
I called them fire orange they because you know, I was just sitting at
a campfire earlier and it was the color of the campfire flames and that's a
yellowish orange color, a yellowish orange. That's part for the chorus. That's
what most eyewitnesses report when they tell me about a dog man account they had.
And then, like in fire Fear has a comment he basically is actually
asking me, are you sure about that a dog man killed a whole family
and the land between the lakes near Kentucky and a dog man was going to
kill four teenagers in Ohio? You can find this one. Well, that
goes back to the point that I made that yes, there are dangerous dog
men. I've said it all along, that there are a dangerous dog men
that will kill you as soon as look at you. If the opportunity presents
itself. But the main takeaway I've always stuck to is as a whole,
they are not wired to be that way. There are people Jeffrey Dahmer,
Ted Bundy, there are people who will kill you if they get the opportunity.
There are horses, there are dogs, There are camels, pigs,
goats that will harm you if they have the opportunity because they're just deviant to
be dangerous. So why should sasquatch? Why should dog men be different?
But that doesn't mean for a second that people, goats, pigs, horses,
you name it, are wired as a whole to be dangerous and harm
you as soon as the opportunity presents itself. So yeah, that's the main
point I'm making. Yes, there are dangerous examples of the species, but
as a whole, as far as being programmed just by nature dog men wanting
to just kill you as soon as you have the opportunity, that clearly is
not the case. The evidence states that The next question is from Mars Stall,
and Mar's question is did you go back to look for tracks? Okay,
before I answer that, I didn't want to hit on what you said.
I think you need to show respect for all animals in the woods.
Bear will attack and kill you given the right opportunity. And I think a
lot of this sidequatch and everything else that you meet up with depends on how
they've been treated in the past. You have to look at things. You
have to know all the facts about what's going on with something before you can
just say it's dangerous. But I'll come go back to Uh did I go
look for tracks? Yes, the next day we did go back. We
took pictures of the location, but it was grass. It was a forested
area and it was just a clearing in the middle of the forest and there
was no area that there could have been tracks. We couldn't find any.
Yeah, considering the trauma you were suffering from, I'm not surprised you didn't
head back there to look for them. That probably would have been a big
mistake. So I'm glad you didn't to see the least. The next question
is from Screwling here, a Polish mom. So if you believe in dogmen,
now do you believe in everything else? UFOs, little people, riggs,
et cetera. Well, it has changed my world. I do believe
in a lot more out there than I used to as far as UFOs,
those I've always thought were real, but little people and stuff like that,
I do believe they're probably out there. There's probably a lot of things that
we've never run into before. And I'm fifty five years old. I was
fifty five, been in the woods all my life before I finally saw a
dog man. So yeah, I believe that there are other things out there.
Now you know of the things are out there. Unfortunately. The next
one is from Brian Wallace, and Brian wants to know, are you afraid
to see more dog men? I'm a little unnerved, but you know,
I'm I think it depends on what context that I see them in. Is.
I don't want one coming up to my camp, but you know,
I don't want a sidequatch coming up to my camp either. But you know,
although it does happen, I think if I'm somewhere else in a setting
like I was in a vehicle or something, I'd be open to seeing another
one. But I don't know. That's just so hard to say. How
about m one Abrams hovering at a thousand feet would that be better? I
mean, if you have to have to have a dogt man, the counter
that's the best way to see it in my opinion. If you're worried about
being traumatized by it, Yeah, that would be the Yeah, it would
be definitely. The next one's from baby Girl and her question is you mentioned
when to Go. Have you possible had a Windy Go encounter? No,
personally I haven't, but I do know someone who possibly did have a Wendigo
encounter, so I know they're out there too. Yes they are. And
I miss touching on something from license question earlier about the LBL murder or the
alleged LBL murder. And then there's another one that he quoted that supposedly happened
in Ohio. There was an eyewitness that came on the show named Matt who
had to encounter a traumatic encounter inside an abandon factory or an old warehouse.
Well, he posed that as another case of people, I think four people
that he claimed that License claimed, We're going to be murdered. Well,
there's no way to know that, because the dog man it did what is
pretty commonly done in dogman encounters. It made those guys, those boys that
day that night, think that it wanted to kill them. But as capable
as dogmen are if they wanted to kill you in almost every case, if
it had full access to you, the way that Dogman had full access to
those boys that day, I don't care if they went up above and quote
unquote saved themselves by trying to hide up on that mezzanine that elevated area.
If that Dogmian wanted to get to them, it would have gotten to them
and on the way home, that's another opportunity. If it wanted to get
to them, it would have gotten to those boys and slaughtered them if it
wanted to do so. But the reason why they got away was because it
did not want to harm them. Their mo is to go out of their
way to make sure they frighten you to within an inch of your life,
just the way that dog man did to Matt and his buddies that night.
And then once that's accomplished, okay, good, well I got what I
wanted. It goes its way and lets you go your way. Does that
sound familiar because that's exactly what happened that night to Matt. So yeah,
it's all too easy with eyewitnesses. That's when the problems start, when you
start making more of an encounter than is actually there. When you turn a
situation where you think a dog mean was trying to kill you and turn that
into oh my god, he was definitely trying to kill us. Well,
like I said, these guys are so athletic, so so fast, so
strong. Their implements of destruction are so impressive. If they want to kill
you, they're going to get to you and kill you. If you get
away, ninety nine point nine percent of the time, it's because they allowed
you to. They just wanted to create the illusion, and their masters at
creating that illusion to make you convinced that they wanted to kill you. That's
why it's so hard for so many eyewitnesses to come to terms with their dog
mean encounters. That's something that Mike from episodes five oh four and five oh
eight last week's show, we talked about extensively. Is Mike I told him,
Mike, don't let these guys make you convinced that they actually wanted to
kill you that day, because if they wanted to, they would have done
it. But you're here today because they clearly did not want that to happen.
They just wanted to get a rise out of you. So, yeah,
anyone listening to this. Please keep all this in mind. All right,
moving on, I guess I can step down off of my soapbox here
and we can move forward. I'm on quite a roll tonight. Actually I
need to calm down. Looking for the next question, which would be from
Stephen Jackson. Vick, I think I had an encounter, That's why I
found dog me on YouTube podcasts. Well, I hope you didn't. But
if you have had an encounter, you want to talk with me about it,
Stephen, And all you have to do is just go to dogmanencounters dot
com, submit a report, and yea by all means, I'll schedule a
conversation with you and we'll take it from there. The next question is from
Robin, and Robin's question is Vic, do you think dog men get fixed
on one person and follow them from the point to first contact on? Well,
it can seem that way with semiyewitnesses. They definitely come back and pay
that eyewitness visits from time to time in some cases. But how much following
is done? How often are they actually around that person? No one can
say. All we can do is guess. Really, so, unfortunately I
can't answer that question for you. All I can do is yes, let's
see the next question I get out there. Oh, I'm sorry, what
were you saying? I said, I'll let her know as soon as I
head back out to that area. Yeah, I hope you do go back,
But like I said, I'm going to qualify that when you're getting ready.
Not too much weight on a young back. Like I've said, I've
got another question for you, Lisa from aleeen Isabelle, and that question is
could you see how long the claws were? No, because, like I
said, if we never actually could see the body, all we saw was
the eyes and the outline. You can only go by what you saw.
It's not your fault that you didn't see them. I've got another one for
you from baby Girl, and her question is did the dog mean make any
sounds? No, it did not make any sounds. And if it made
any sounds, I mean I've heard people say that they make these sounds when
they stand up, like bones cracking. But when we started moving on the
gravel, I would not have been able to have heard that from the gravel
on the street. But while we were sitting there, it never made a
sound at all. I didn't think it had. Got another one for you
from Stephen Jackson. Stephen wants to know, did you hear anything in your
head? Uh, just fear. I just heard what am I looking at?
And this thing is not something that I understand. I never heard any
voices or anything like that. Some eyewitnesses report mine speak, but yeah,
most don't, so that's no surprise. There doesn't make any different from most
eyewitnesses. I've got a comment by Baby Girl. She says, they live
off our fears, but I don't think they're wired to kill humans. Well
they're not. Yeah, the numbers definitely prove that. And thank goodness.
Can you imagine a world where these guys were out to kill you as soon
as they had the opportunity. That's not the kind of world I want to
live in. That wouldn't be good. Good luck spending any time in the
woods if that's the case. Yeah, no spending time. And what's then?
Well, looks like I've got another question for you, and this one
is from Glade's Creature and their question is were any missed fogs or shadow heeses
with this dog man? No, I didn't see anything like that. Like
I said, all there was was this total quiet that was unnerving. I'm
glad there wasn't any fog or missed or shadow hazes out there that would just
make this whole experience that much more frightening. It really would. I've got
another one for you from Mertaza, a reef and Martaza's question is is the
land that you saw the dog me in each land? Is that why you
think dogman occupies it? Well, this location where we actually saw this,
there is some history there. There are old salt mines in the area,
and the whole area has these like underground salt mines, and I think there's
a lot of strange activity in that area because you know, most animals do
require salt in their diet, and I think that maybe this area has a
lot of activity because of the salt content. You might be onto something there.
Yeah, pretty much everything out there needs salt, especially predators. But
I mean angulates they need salt too, so I guess you can count them
in. Also, it's funny in the comments, Cindy, i'mhoff is trying
to encourage me, which is never a good idea. Her comment is,
Haha, Vic, your funny. Don't calm down. Yeah, don't encourage
me. I'll get back on this soapbox and start babbling about that stuff.
Well, it's almost time for us to get out of here, Lisa,
but before do you host a podcast of your own called Cryptids Are Limited?
Please tell us about it. Yes, it's a new podcast and I'm only
like that episode eleven, and it's basically just I started it because people had
bigfoot sightings and didn't know who to talk to, and I wanted to give
them a platform to just come tell their stories. And I named it Cryptids
Unlimited because I didn't want to, you know, make it about just bigfoot.
I mean, there's other things out there too, and I knew that,
or I wouldn't named it that even before I saw dog Man. But
you know, there's other cryptids out there too, and I want everybody to
be able to come talk about it. And like you said, talking about
it it makes you feel better, It really does. And the more you
talk about it, I think the more you come to terms with it.
And so yeah, I hope everybody will come over and at least give us
a visit. I need all the help I can get. Well, of
course, here you're just getting started, and for everyone listening, I hope
you do check out Lisa's channel and to make it really easy to find.
If you go to the description for tonight's show, you're going to find a
link that'll take your right to our channel. So, like I said,
I really hope you do check it out. But having said that, like
I said earlier on, if you've had a dogging encounter of your own that
you'd like to speak with me about, it doesn't matter if you want to
just speak with me about it in private and never do a show, or
if you want to do a show as well, please go to dogmanencounters dot
com and submit a report. If you do that, then I'll be sure
to reach out to you and excuse me contact you to schedule a conversation so
we could have a good talk about it. But having said that, thanks
again so much for coming on and sharing the details of that experience with us,
Lisa, I really appreciate it. Now you're welcome because, like you
said, talking about it it does make you feel better, It really does.
It really does us. Well, thanks again so much for your time
and have a great night. Thank you, bet you too. Thanks,
we'll see you