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All right, Billy Cunningham, the
great American. Of course, this Thursday

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afternoon at the final day of the
RNC, many say it was the greatest

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RNC of all time. And then
waiting for tonight for the political messiah,

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Donald J. Trump to appear on
stage in bandages having survived in the assassination

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attempt, loud proud and Sassine.
Of course, Governor Mike DeWine's been there.

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The first convention he attended was eighteen
sixty with Abraham Lincoln, which is

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a very important one from Springfield,
Illinois. And Governor Mike DeWine. Welcome

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again to the Bill Cunningham Show.
I'm sure you've been to dozens and dozens

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of these conventions. How would you
rate this one compared to the other ones

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that you've attended? Yea, Bill, our first convention the frand I went

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to. I was in the United
States Congress and it was Reagan's second second

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convention, nineteen eighty four, so
it was you know, we've seen a

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lot of conventions. I would say
that, you know, this is a

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very unified party that's come out of
this convention. I think the fact that

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you know, the president President Trump
had Nicky Cayley. There had a lot

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of the other people who ran against
him in the primaries. You know,

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he invited them to speak. They
came and spoke, and everybody just had

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a good, I think, a
unified feeling about this this election. So

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that to me is the biggest theme
to really come out of this. I

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think. The other thing, of
course, is, you know, this

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convention started literally, you know,
right after the attempted assassination with the president.

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So we've never seen, you know, anything quite quite like that before.

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Well, I have coming up later
in one of the head of the

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Secret Service agencies a few years back, and more and more is coming out

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about this assassination attempt. This morning, I try to watch everything, especially

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MSNBC, so you don't have to. And even though you appear on MSNBC,

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I thought last by a mistake.
I'm thinking, what the hell I

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watched Donald Trump Junior say, you're
not a real news media organization. I

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don't talk to clowns like you.
I thought. But you're a kindly gentleman

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from Cedarville. And the thing that's
come out and you've been an attorney general,

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you've been you have secret Service detail
called the Highway Patrol in the state

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of Ohio. You've been a prosecutor
for a long time. You've seen it

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all and done it all. Could
you have imagined that the Secret Service would

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be the management of the Secret Service, not the rank and file, would

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be so inept that they knew the
Iranians were planning to kill Donald Trump because

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of what he did. Is Suleimani. That they knew ahead of time there

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was a security breach with this guy
walking around the building. They had the

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unguarded building about five hundred feet away, which is like a two foot putt,

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And they knew as Donald Trump took
the stage that there was a major

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security breach, and they led him
to take the stage. And sadly,

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today this morning was the funeral of
that fire chief and it was I watched

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some of it on YouTube and it
was it's so sad to watch his family

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and watch his children, and to
have his friends and what we miss and

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all this the death of a fireman
who was simply there to support Donald Trump.

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And could you have imagined, and
you spent twelve years in the Our

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States, Senate, could you have
imagined a security breach of this consequence and

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this ineptitude. No it's it is
shocking. You know, I think this

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investigation has to move forward very quickly. You know, how in the world

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that rooftalk was not covered? I
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You know, Bill, You've been
to many rallies, and I've been

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to a number of rallies over the
years with Donald Trump but with other people

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as well, presidential candidates, and
you know, you look around and the

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security is always very very tight.
You look on rooftops and you see that

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those are in fact covered. You
know, when the Secret Service comes in,

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you know, the first thing they
do days in advance is to go

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into those businesses. Uh. You
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they do all the things that you
would expect them to do, and

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they're very very very good. So
I don't know what happened, but there's

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got to be seriously some reckoning here. H And you know, something like

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this can just not not happening again. Again. It's just hard for me

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to understand. You know, these
people are very good, they do this

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every day. They know what they're
doing. But this is clearly a major

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major security breach of of horrible magnitude. And yes, you know, we

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are so happy that the president,
you know it is alive and that was

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just a matter of an inchure.
Who knows how much. But as you

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point out, you know, one
person killed too, seriously injured. Just

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a horrible, horrible tragedy. People
who go to those rallies, you know,

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they take their family, they take
their kids. And you think also

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about the people who were not kids, were not shot, but you know

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they had their kids with them,
and for the rest of life those kids

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will remember that and not a good
thing to remember. If you put together

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four or five years ago a list
of Ohio politicians that would be the vice

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president of the United States in twenty
twenty four, four or five years ago,

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JD. Vance would not have been
in the top fifty four or five

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years ago. Are you shocked and
amazed? I think Ohio is the breeding

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ground some pretty damn good politicians and
the bench is deep just in the state

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of Ohio. How is it possible
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three or four years ago you never
heard of named JD. Vance out of

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a dysfunctional family in Middletown called Tony
Bender calls it Middle Tucky. I don't

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show it that kind of disrespect.
It's Middletown, Kentucky. What would be

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a heartbeat away from the presidency.
How shocking is the arrival of Jdvans on

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the scene when it was completely unknown, say four years ago, Mike DeWine

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probably never heard of the guy.
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right. I mean, if you
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I first knew about him when I
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I think I read a book review
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that'd be an interesting book. I
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fascinating. So what I did is
I called him up, and you know,

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I wanted to meet him because it
was just a fascinating book about his

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growing up and had some I think, some real insights into some of the

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problems that we have, some of
the drug problems that we have in our

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society. And so fran I have
gotten to you know, gotten to know

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him. We had JD and Usha
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for dinner one night, and just
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them very well. But you're right, if you go back, uh,

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you know, yeah, I know
you're not a betting man, but if

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you'd gone on you know, the
early morning the line you know, even

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two years ago about who might be
on on the ticket. Uh, you

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know, you could have made a
fortune if if even if anybody was taking

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a beat, anybody would have even
taken a bat, his name might have

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not even been listened. That Bill
Cunningham would be rich today. Now we

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are rich, I know that Bill, you know, but you'd even be

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rich. Let's put it that way. Why And let me ask you,

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because you're a you've spent your life
in politics, maybe as long as Joe

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Biden. Uh. In fact,
uh, JD is only thirty nine years

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old. What is it about JD. Vance that has caused him to leap

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frog hundreds or thousands of other office
holders and politicians to get what is it

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about him? Well? I suppose
that there'll be books written about this,

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and when they recount the presidential campaign, this will be a major, major

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section in the book. You know, if you quite used to have the

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series of making of the President started
in nineteen sixty and whatever the newest version

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of that, he's long gone.
But whatever the newest version of that will

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have a whole chapter or two chapters
on JD. Vance. Look, you're

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you're absolutely right. I think you've
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first of all, he was able
to win win a highly contested primary.

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I don't think there's any doubt that
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Donald Trump did in fact endorse him. And you know that he was elected

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to the US Senate, been in
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bit. But if you look at
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the cable talk shows on sometimes on
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been probably the most most articulate in
defending the Trump agenda has been JD.

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Dvance. You know, he puts
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He understands it and explains it exceedingly
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you know, I don't know what
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President Trump's mind, but I think
having someone with that life story,

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someone who the president has gotten to
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Uh, but some of this in
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is personal. You know, it's
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a lot of life is personal and
personal relationships. But I think also that

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he looked at him as someone who's
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the battleground, where the battleground is, it's not going to be in Ohio.

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Uh So it doesn't help him,
really, hear that much. It

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helps, but he's going to win
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look at the other battleground states,
whether it's Pennsylvania or Michigan, there these

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are Midwestern states. Jd Vance's story
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lot of different things coming together.
I mean, what what what? What

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do you think? I met him
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call from the Butler County GOP and
they said they had a Lincoln Reagan Day

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dinner and that they wanted jd Vance
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And he didn't want to speak,
and he said, I don't feel

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well doing that in front of a
crowd. Could you get Cunningham to come

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here and interview me about my book? We go back and forth. So

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I get a call whoever was in
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been Dixon, I'm not sure who
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it was somebody else. And he
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I've heard about this book. And
then I talked to JD and then I

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put him on about the book,
and then I went to interview him and

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we about two three hundred people.
It's a nice facility there in Fairfield,

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and back and forth about the book, develop relationships. Met him at five

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guys and nor would there a couple
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and he wasn't He didn't want to
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that conversation last night and I said, here, you got ten million people

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watching the hall is just you know, I don't know how many twenty thousand

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people. And I said, he's
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know, you and I maybe not
Tony Bender, because we're kind of geniuses

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ourselves that we when I'm with someone
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that guy's really smart. You can't
have a conversation with ady Vance not coming

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away with those pale blue eyes looking
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come loud from Yale. He went
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And then he and I'm thinking,
this guy's really smart. And I said,

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he can't get into politics. He's
smart. And he doesn't have that,

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you know that conversational and the last
eight years my god, and now

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you get him on and he's slacky, knows what he's talking about. I

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want to talk about something else.
I know. The political answer is going

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to be, well, you know, Willie, you we're gonna have to

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you have a failings of individuals chewing
on your ear. You have the power

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to appoint the next US Senator,
assuming the ticket is successful and no remember

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or fifth and some of the names. Franklerosa is interested for ak Ramaswami,

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a classmate of JD. You're going
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the approach as the California governor did, which was there was three or four

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really qualified Senate candidates from a California
perspective to take over the seat, and

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he appointed a placeholder until until the
until the election or until a primary so

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that people can vote on One category, is you can ordain Frank Lerosa avank

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Ramaswami, I don't know. John
Eusta just named the name. On the

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other hand, you could do a
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next senator to be. What is
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the conversational answer, Well, Bill, you know, we don't know yet.

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Can you just tell me you're thinking
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my thinking is that I would not
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placeholder in. You know, I
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up. I would do that.
But you know, look, the person

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that I would appoint. Here's the
way it's going to work for our listeners.

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Assuming that Trump and JD. Advance
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to resign from the US Senate when
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I will appoint his successor, and
that person will be in office basically for

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two years, and then they go. They will have to be on the

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ballot again in twenty twenty six in
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election. That person who's elected in
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They don't have to run. If
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to have to run again in twenty
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on some level of seniority. Seniority
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go to the United States Senate to
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period of time. I think is
important any United States Senator. The day

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they walk in, they're important,
they have the ability to do things.

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But the longer they're there, frankly, they're commit The assignments get better,

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they move up, they get the
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committee chairman. All of these things
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this from Ohios point of view.
Who do we want that can represent us

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and you know, be are our
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of Ohio. So what I'm taking
bills that I should appoint someone who really

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commits and says, yes, I'm
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I'm going to start running and try
to try to get re elected and then

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try to get elected again and and
and sir. Second, we need to

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have someone I think who fits kind
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Senator should do and should be.
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that has not been talked much about. He has tried to put coalitions together

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and get things done. You know, I want a senator who's going to

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go there and be a workhorse and
not a showhorse. I want someone who's

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going to go there, maybe be
a showhorse too, but I want mostly

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to be a workforce and who's focused
on has you know, an agenda,

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conservative agenda and says this is where
I want to go there and get accomplished,

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and then work to get those things
accomplished. That's to me, that's

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the main thing. They've also got
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and they've got peoble win a general
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to go back and do it again
in two years later. Yeah, got

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to run, run and run now. Secondly, as you know, because

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you hold the job, that there's
two or three stalwarts wanting to take your

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position when you leave, which are
John Houstead and David Yost and god knows

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maybe two or three others. I'm
not sure. Have you considered endorsing in

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the gubernatorial primary next year, Well, there hasn't anybody announced that they're running.

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Yes, that's a little premature,
but I think you know my relationship

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with John Houston. John Houston has
been an excellent, excellent lieutenant governor.

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He's focused on technology, bringing trying
to bring technology to government, technology to

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Ohio. He's someone who's really focused
on economic development. But it's really been

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my right hand person in just so
many many areas. So he clearly is

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very, very well prepared to be
the next government of the state of Ohio.

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Sounds like you're endorsing Houston. Lastly, about a minute, remaining public

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life is difficult. The odds is
some kid from Cedarville, Ohio could have

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your career as almost impossible. The
odds of jd vance heartbeat from the presidency

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impossible. With all the violence happening
in America, do you fear for your

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own life? No? No,
you know, look I don't. This

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is something that you know when you
get into a big crowd like you see

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at one of the rallies, then
you think you know something. You look

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around, you think, well,
something could in fact happen, And tragically,

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of course, it did just a
few days ago with President Trump's rally.

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But no, I don't. All
right, Governor Dwine, thank you,

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good luck tonight. We'll see what
happens is going to be extremely dramatic.

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And keep doing those interviews with MSNBC
and uh all comers, Bill CNN,

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uh, you know, on and
on and on whatever you go from

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Breitbart to MSNBC, that's pretty good. Yes, yes, we had a

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whole range left to right, you
know whatever. All right, Governor,

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we'll see you soon, and God
bless you, and say say hi to

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Frand for me. All right,
Billy, thank you for talking with you.

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God bless you. All right,
let's continue with more your reaction next

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plus later on, we've scheduled a
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