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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, trolls and

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marks the light. Welcome one,
Welcome all to another episode of Wrestle Magic.

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Now, if you guys know where
I actually pulled that from. You

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guys are a big YouTube fan,
you know what I'm talking about. But

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anyways, tonight's episode, we're going
to be covering somebody who really helped the

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industry back in the eighties, the
Dynamite Kid and helping me today. And

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why I keep saying, we somebody
who's been a really great influence on me

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throughout my life, somebody who I
have looked up to for a long time.

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My uncle, my friend. No, not Michael. So I'm talking

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about six Pack Timothy Gross, his
brother Tim. How are we doing tonight,

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man, I'm doing good. It's
good to see a Maverick. And

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that's awful kind of you to put
those words that way. Absolutely, man,

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So let's just dive right into it, man, because I remember you

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talking to me about this guy as
a kid. I didn't know much about

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him. So I really became an
adult and really started looking into this dark

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history of this guy, but also
some light parts to it. But yeah,

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so let's get into it. We're
going to talk tonight about the Dynamite

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Kid. Definitely a polarizing figure.
You have a guy that he's done just

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about everything as far as tag team
wrestling and innovating, and then at the

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same time too, on the other
end of the spectrum, he's done some

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well allegedly done some pretty dark things
agreed, as well as paving the way

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for those like Eddie Guerrero, Chris
ben wah jusin thunder Liiger and many others.

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He's known for some terrible things as
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mean, he was kind of one
of those guys who proved you don't have

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to be Hogan Sina and the rock
size to really show great skill set,

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and that is something that I feel
is really admirable to do when you're,

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you know, not the biggest guy. You're somebody that almost anybody can look

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to and say, I kind of
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it's still unachievable goal as long as
you put the work in. He you

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know, he's one of those guys
that managed to stay relevant even though he

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did not have the size that but
at the same time too, we're talking

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about one of the first guys hitting
moves like the superplex, absolutely, and

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it is well known about how stiff
he was in the ring, and I'm

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not talking about like stiff performance wise, but when he was hitting a move,

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it looked like it hurt a little
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He just looked like when he'd punch
you, he'd look so much harder

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with it. His clotheslines just looked
so much more crisp and so much harder

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hitting. Let's get into it start
of his career. Where exactly did Dynamite

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Kid start this stuff? Off Man
was born gold Born in England and he

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started doing a construction with his father. His father was an ex boxer.

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He mentions that his father trained him
and fisticuffs a bit when he was young.

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His dad went on to do construction
and that's where he met a man

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by the name of Ted Bentley.
Ted Bentley wasn't he involved with the snake

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Pit Jim and Wigham Uk. Ted
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had wrestled as a doctor death moniker, who took him to meet Billy Riley

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where the shoot fighters and the pro
wrestling would meet. You had guys with

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that old school hooker mentality, just
vicious. That's probably where Dynamite first learned

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to be so freaking mean and so
effective in the ring. So he eventually

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started training with a guy by the
name of Billy Chambers and by the age

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of sixteen, he was ready to
make his debut his first match against the

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guy by the name of Bobby Hums. I just have one question there,

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Tim, You said he was a
hooker. You said he was working the

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street corners out there, buddy.
You know, times were tough back then.

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You had to do what you had
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So a hooker, you hear that
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Luthz And the idea was that was
the old school grapplers that were if you

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were going to try to shoot or
pull some Now this is the time where

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wrestling was moving from a lot of
the more legit grappling aspects to more fictional

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for entertainment purposes. There would be
a lot of people in different territories that

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would try to take something on you
and try to try to gain a little

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bit something from your reputation by hurting
you in the ring. They were known

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for being vicious wrestlers. These were
guys who knew that legitimate, real mma

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style as well as the performance aspect, right right, So almost like a

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h I kind of want to compare
that to almost like and Shamrock almost of

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today, just a way that you
see him as in the ring, if

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you were to try to do let's
say, you were to try to be

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too stiff with him, once he'd
get you in like an ankle lock or

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something. He knew how to actually
do it so it would actually hurt you

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type of things that. Yeah,
that's a that's an interesting way. You

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have people who were then trained in
legitimate bone breaking arts, you know,

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and that's these guys. Could you
know, a Luths could snap you if

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he really wanted to, and it
wasn't just bs, you know. The

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Dynamite kid is learning this hardcore smash
mouth style from his connections with Ted Bentley,

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who was training him. Bentley gave
him a chance by contacting Max Crabtree.

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Crabe not familiar with him, which
promotion was he a part of?

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Now, let's put it this way. His brother was surely Crabtree, which

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is known as Big Daddy. So
we're talking the seventies and catch wrestling style,

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you know England. From there,
Dynamite got his first televised match against

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the Guy, a fellow by the
name of Pete Meredith. He I worked

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with Big Daddy a lot. From
his own words, he was usually the

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underneath guy. He was the guy
that, you know, they would have

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a tag match and you'd have one
tag partner. You see it all the

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time. He goes in there,
he gets the crap kicked out of him

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and it builds up the big hot
tag. So when he brings his partner

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in, the guy can come in
like a house of fire, get the

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big victory, send the crowd home
happy and Dynamite. So complaints is that,

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Well, he was young, he
could bump, you know, and

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Big Daddy would come in look like
the big hero. And so he was

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there in the European you know catches
catch can wrestling, working with fellas like

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Haystacks Calhoun and ken Do Nagasaki and
Mark Rollerball, Roco Rollerball rock O.

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Why is that name vaguely familiar?
I've heard this name before, sir,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
know you're thinking of Black Tiger, which

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is what he became later on.
Another smash mouth style kind of wrestler and

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Dynamite had a lot of good things
to say about them, that these are

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the guys he sort of cut his
his teeth with and about the age of

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eighteen, he got his first his
first actual title. So this is about

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we're talking nineteen seventy six. Oh
wow, so that's seventy seven maybe beyond

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me man, Yeah, yeah,
that's me too as a matter of fact.

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But the Dynamite Kid is he's already
showing people. And it was Ted

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Bentley who came up with the name
Dynamite Kid. By the way, according

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to what Tom Billington says, Bentley
had asked a young man, hey,

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would you like this fellaw's autograph?
He was sitting there with Tom Billington and

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he's like, hey, would you
like this guy's autographs? He's a great

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wrestler, he's the Dynamite Kid.
And he looked at Billington He's like,

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hey, you know how to spell
the word dynamite, you know, and

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kind of pats him on the back. So that was his first autograph,

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and it was Bentley who came up
with the name. And he's stuck with

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his entire career. So that's kind
of interesting, and it was there in

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nineteen seventy eight that Bruce Hart had
witnessed him. And that's when you say

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heart. Are we talking like Heart
foundation style heart or who we talk about?

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Man? That's absolutely you're dead on. We're talking about Stuhart's son,

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and we're talking about Stampede Wrestling and
Calgary and you have the you know,

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the young hearts there. You got
a bunch of people like Junkyard Dog.

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There are young Hercules, Hercules Hernandez
and this is a chance for a dynamite

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kid. He goes over there,
he's working young Jim Knight Hart Abdullah the

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Butcher, and it was from there
that he got his chance to go to

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Germany with Brett Hart. So it
was during these these eras he first meets

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Storre Seyamu wrestling as Sam e Lee
and sat Just. Also during this time

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he meets j Yd wrestling in Stampede, who I believe was a big daddy

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ritter at the time, and he
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getting introduced. This is about nineteen
seventy nine to steroids. Incredible as a

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wrestler, the Dynamite was already going
out there and pressing people with this hard

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work. Unfortunately he was dabbling a
little bit, which becomes much of an

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issue later on, as we're going
to get to right, right, I

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mean, from what I've seen and
heard, a big part of his career

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and his life later on is heavily
affected by the drug use and whatnot,

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and it really does scr up a
lot of parts of his life. I've

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heard a lot of stories about apparently
Jyd just used to be, like,

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I don't know, a distributor,
just the gateway for almost everybody, it

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seems like, to like start getting
into these drugs and everything. But regardless

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of that, where does it go
from here? Man? He bet a

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fellow by the name of Hadachi who
got him a chance to wrestle in International

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Wrestling Enterprise, And this is the
first time he worked in Japan, and

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he apparently did well enough that he
got a chance to from other promoters to

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come and wrestle Tatsumi Fujinami and who
was at this time the WF Junior light

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Heavyweight Champion. Right right, and
whenever you say like any kind of junior

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heavyweight title kind of brings me to
thinking about iwgp's junior heavyweight title and just

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how it is considered one of the
higher ones to be held in Japan,

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and how so many have held it
that are considered the rising stars. You

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know, Liger has held it multiple
times. I believe Nakamora held it at

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a very young age as well,
And it's one of those things that I

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believe is just known as a badge
of honor over in the Japanese side of

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wrestling. Absolutely, he goes and
he gets a chance to work Fujinami.

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He also gets a chance to work
a guy's like a noocchi and choshu and

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tag bouts and such, and he's
still working Stampede at this time. This

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is we're talking about. We're getting
about nineteen eighty and his manager at the

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time is called a guy called John
Foley. Fully sort of interesting. There

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are some dark rumors surrounding him,
which we will get to. All right,

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So around this time, would you
say this is uh, wasn't it

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eighty two? Where he eventually has
his matches with Tiger Mask, And these

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are considered some of the best matches
that like even mcfoley talks about as a

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young man. He kept rewinding him
just watching these matches in like slow motion.

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At the point where he's like breaking
tapes of it. Not necessarily how

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well the moves are always executed,
but the speed and the precision and just

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everything about the match itself was just
so well done that so many people are

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really captivated by it, especially at
the time, and it really does come

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in later on with from what I've
heard, that was one of his greatest

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works was I believe it was nineteen
eighty two at the time. There's an

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excellent match with Tiger Mask versus the
Dynamite Kid for the adopt Off Light Heavyweight

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Championship in Madison Square Garden and it's
great. You can hear Vince mcmahonon commentary,

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you can hear Guerrilla Monsoon, and
during this Gorilla Monsoon refers to them

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as the future of wrestling, and
he was right. Tiger Mask is doing

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things like whipping his opponent into the
corner, he runs and he climbs up

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them and does a backflip off it. He's doing things like the moon Salt,

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He's doing dives to the outside.
From his matches with Tiger Mask in

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eighty two to eighty three, he's
really set the standard that people would try

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to emulate. Later. You're seeing
some incredible stuff, right, and honestly,

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the way that I could compare seeing
some of the stuff that was done

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in those matches, the way that
I can kind of describe it today as

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almost like watching a match of well
Osprey or maybe Ricochet in a way.

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The way that they work with outside
dives, the moon salts, everything that

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they do. This was kind of
brand new back in the eighties because it

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was more, how do I describe
it, a different kind of show.

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I'm going to tell you you didn't
see high flying. Then you'd see a

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match, you know, a wrestler
would come out and some leagues more so

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than others. A WBF, that's
what it was at the time, is

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the World Wrestling Federation didn't have high
flyers so to speak. That you'd refer

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to a guy's being agile, and
you know you had Jimmy Snook on such

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but really towards the end of the
match you would do a big flying splash.

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Most of the time, these guys
would hit a lot of drop kicks

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and a crossbody block, and that's
what really that's the type of moves that

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you'd expect. You didn't see people
doing dives to the outside. It did

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not come around often at all.
Let me tell you the first time I

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saw it, it was people like, of course Dynamite and Ricky the Dragon

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Steamboat, who were you know,
another legendary performer who pushed work rate as

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it was. But I guess the
difference between say them and someone like a

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Ricochet will Ospray and there's nothing I'm
not trying to take anything away from those

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guys, you know, Ricochet and
Osprey a fantastic workers, is that it

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looked so legit with Tiger Mask and
Dynamite. They were just they still worked

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hard as hell. They were slugging
each other with these these shots that had

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old school smash mouth style pro wrestling
with every shot, and it didn't look

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like an aerial exhibition. It didn't
look like some sort of festival for spots.

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It looked like they were trying to
hurt each other. And I think

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that's why a lot of people still
cherish a lot of these matches today,

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because they walk that that sort of
edge, you know, on the you

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know, between being fantastic entertainment and
still being brutality that makes you believe it's

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kind of a fight, right right, And that's something that the way that

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I kind of see wrestling today is
there's two sides to the spectrum. For

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those diehard fans, really you've got
the people that are more on the side

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of Jim Cornett, where it's like, hey, I want this to look

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at least somewhat realistic, so I
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it to look like, yeah,
this is something that could happen in a

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fight. Whereas whereas then there's people
like Meltzer who are like, you know

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what, I just want to be
entertained. So what if they're you know,

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all doing a flip off the top
rope and almost like everybody doing it

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in sequence or something like that.
If it's entertaining, let it go type

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of thing, which I get it. I can understand both sides, but

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realistically it feels like that was just
a best of both worlds, and seeing

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clips of it and everything, it's
like these guys really did it and really

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tried their best to do both at
the same time, and they perfected it

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somehow just right. Oh it was, Yeah, there's something there that's just

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you know, different. You're not
seeing something that just looks practice, I

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guess, is what I'm saying.
It doesn't look like they're cooperating. And

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interesting enough, you mentioned Meltzer.
He actually the second match, the second

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five star match he ever gave out
in his ratings, according to him,

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was Tiger Mask and Dynamite Kid,
which is interesting, right. He's very

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well known for giving out ratings to
certain matches. I know that a few

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years ago he had gave was it
Kenny Omega and Kazushido Okada, I believe

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the first ever six star and ever
since then it's kind of gone off the

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rails with the rating system. But
yeah, no, that's I guess that's

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kind of how it goes when something
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you're like, I didn't think it
could be this good. Tiger Mask eventually

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leaves New Japan, and those matches
they had at that time were absolutely those

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two together, they were timeless.
But Dynamite continues, you know, with

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his career, and he's now working
in places like Portland where he's in a

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group called the Klan with men like
rip Oliver and the Cuban Assassin and this

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it is here that he he starts
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Who have you know, mister Perfect
an incredible wrestler. Hennick of course isn't

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quite the size and such that he
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the bat, if you see these
early matches in eighty three, you can

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tell that you know, Hennig is
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Hennig he became mister Perfect, right, I mean that's yeah, Kurt Well

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right, and that was after he
uh not not only you know, he

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went to the AWA became a champion
there and such. It's I I'm I'm

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kind of a mark for mister perfect. So I really think he could have

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been a world you know, contender, but I don't think. I guess

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maybe at the time in the WWF
that wouldn't have worked as well. You

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always had a face led champion,
you know, a face champion, a

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baby face, and you know,
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way. But going on though,
right off the bat, he's working these

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great guys. He's in his own
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story. It's pretty hard and the
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five, especially because you know he's
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a bit taller than him and such. He starts to get Davy Boy

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Smith, who's his brother in law. I believe I believe that was his

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cousin of some sort from what I
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they were cousins. His brother in
law actually ended up being a Brett Harp

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believe it or not. Yeah,
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So he gets Davy Boy and they
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and he's also working singles matches with
a guy known as the Cobra,

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which is George Takano. He's who
he's worked in the past, but this

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was sort of they did the best
they could. Tiger mask is gone now

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and they start bringing in a black
Tiger, which of course was the before

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mentioned Mark rollerbral Roco's about at the
time of eighty four or so, say

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hey, I'm a contact Dynamite tries
to get him to work with you for

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UWF. And if you've heard of
the UWF, it was sort of a

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promotion that was supposed to be a
combination of the entertainment with a very heavy

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aspect going towards realism and mixed martial
arts style fighting. They didn't want to

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do a bunch of backdrops and you
know, they didn't want people flying off

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the top rope, and so you
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Billington declines the offer, and Uwa
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after that they kind of, you
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during this time he's still working with
of course Calgary Wrestling and such. He's

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going all over the place after Tiger
Mask, and the after Tiger Mask had

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left, he starts to work with
Giant Baba in All Japan. There was

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a kind of a shift there and
in Japan All Japan was starting to gain

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quite a bit of a credibility in
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that's where they're attracting people like the
Funk brothers, you know, Terry and

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his brother Dory. Where uh,
that's you know, the British Bulldogs as

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they would eventually become, are now
working. They're not the Bulldogs yet.

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I'm sorry, I don't mean to
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Oh no, I was just gonna
ask about so Terry and Dory Funk.

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Weren't they from Texas or something?
Like that. Oh, absolutely, Amarillo,

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Texas. These are the guys who
they eventually Terry Funk started the Funk

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You University and the absolutely yeah,
Amroillo, Texas. And so these are

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old school, you know, mid
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they had some fantastic matches. These
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each other. There's some great ones
with the Funk Brothers take also taking on

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uh Bruiser Brody and Jimmy Snooka during
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I highly recommend it, but not
gonna be for the faint of heart.

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There's a lot of blood and these
are very stiff shots. Yeah, Dynamite

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right up his alley, and he
liked Terry Funk right off the bat,

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who was kind of a prankster and
a goofball just like he was, right.

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I mean, I've heard a lot
about uh, there's a lot of

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ribbing back in the day from what
I've heard, and ribbing for you guys

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who don't know, meaning that there
was a lot of pranks that went on,

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but there was some people who really
were against it because you know,

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ribbing on somebody it could be anything
from you know, taking a dump inside

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their gym bag or whatever, to
shaving their head while they're asleep, stuff

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like that. But some wrestlers who
were like out of the road for a

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long time, they just didn't find
it funny. After it's like, hey,

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I've been you know, away from
home for you know, two months.

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Now this is all I've gotten.
You're really gonna, you know,

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defecate on everything I have type of
thing. But you know, that sort

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of stuff going on, and but
yeah, please continue, tim, this

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is amazing stuff. Well it's it's
it's it's interesting that you go that way,

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you know, that route, because
yeah, he and he and Davy

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boy Smith are eventually known for doing
some pretty ridiculous and some pretty hard the

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type of ribs at you you start
to think yourself, is that really a

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joke? And one of their favorites
actually is cutting up other wrestlers clothes with

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scissors while the guy's out wrestling,
going into the guy's bag. But anyhow,

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after his time there, this is
back in Calgary. He's also wrestling

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in Calgary and all Japan at the
time, and that's where he and Brett

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Hart when they're wrestling each other end
up getting the attention of a man named

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George Scott who works with Vince McMahon. And this is where they get their

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first invitations to go down and do
some matches for some television tapings. He

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and Brett Hart they travel down there
and they wrestle and he says, they

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do a couple of matches. They
do some tag team matches as well,

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and such. This is without Davy
Boy. He complained about what they were

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paid. Actually, he says it
was something like the equivalent of twenty five

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dollars each. That's not, you
know, not very good. But then

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they were promised, hey, you
come back, we're doing a loop and

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we're going to be doing a bunch
of house shows in New York. It's

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gonna be good money. And when
he returned, and at this time,

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Vince McMann is also working with Stampede
a little bit, he meets Vince McMahon.

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Vince takes a look at him and
Davy Boy, who Dynamite has told

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him about. He says, I
got this, I got this, cousin.

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Excuse me, you know, cousin. Vince looks at them and he

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was like, you know what,
you guys look like a couple of bulldogs,

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you know, they're wide, they're
angry looking that it was Vince who

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came up with the idea of the
British Bulldogs. Interesting always leave it up

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to Vince first some good character ideas. But then again, you know,

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one of his ideas for a Stone
Cold's character was supposed to be Baron von

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Frost and stuff like that. So
not a ways, but I think he

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hit the nail on the head with
this one, hey, you know,

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and that's that's Vince boy. He's
the guy who changed the business. And

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he also, you know, he's
come up with the Undertaker. He also

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came up with Bastrom Booker, so
let's put that in you know, perspective

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there. So they he was the
one who came up with them wearing the

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Union jack, you know, British
design, and he was also the one

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that decided that they would come out
with bulldogs. And Vince has come up

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with some pretty hokey things, you
know, He's we could have been worse,

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we could have been the red Rooster, you know. So all we

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had to do was walk a couple
bulldogs to the ring. It wasn't so

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bad and it did go over well
with the crowds. They you know,

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they start to take off. Vince
is building towards WrestleMania two, and during

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this time the Heart Foundation has started
off in the WBF, the Oo Brett

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is there as well. You know, things are you know, really growing.

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A Dynamite Kid and Davy Boy are
still working some matches in All Japan

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where he meets Mitsuhara Masawa, another
fantastic wrestler, another Dave Meltzer favorite,

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another five star kind of wrestler.
At this time, Misawa's wrestling as Tiger

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Mask Number two. They're having pretty
good matches and such. Though Misawa was

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a different kind of Tiger Mask than
Seyama was. He was less agile,

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less acrobatic, more more of a
heavyweight, but still a very good wrestler

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and a little less theatrical in general. That's miss Sawa. Any match you

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watch with him, he doesn't give
a lot of emotion to the crowd,

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but between working All Japan and working
the WF, he's doing quite well.

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And in WrestleMania two, they've decided
that the British Bulldogs should get the tag

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team titles in Chicago now and in
WrestleMania two, that's the one where Vince

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decided with close circuit television and such. He was going to book out three

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arenas make the most money. Could
you have to understand, folks, this

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is before standard pay per view as
we know it. And so he has

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Hogan wrestling King Kong Bunde and a
steel cage in Los Angeles, Hrandy Savage

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and George the Animal Steel for the
Intercontinental title. In New York. You

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also have the Dream Team Brutus Beefcake, Greg the Hammer Valentine taking on the

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Bulldogs. And that's in Chicago.
And this is nineteen eighty six WrestleMania two.

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A smashing success. An odd finish
to the match, though, I

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have to say, did you ever
watch that match? So I've seen some

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clips of it, but I have
not seen the finish of it, so

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please elaborate. It's an odd finish
the ideas, I guess. The maneuver

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they use is referred to as a
sort of sacrifice maneuver that only and Jean

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Anderson would use, where one tag
team partner would slam the head of an

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opponent into his own partner. So
it's like a forced head butt where you

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grab your enemy and you slam it
into your buddy's face. And that's what

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the British Bulldogs did. They wrestle
a pretty good match with Beefcake and Valentine

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and at one point you can see
Dynamite on the second row. He starts

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patting his head to get Davy Boy's
attention. Davy Boy smacks Greg the Hammer's

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head into his Greg the Hammer goes
down like he's completely out. Davy Boy

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Smith gets the pinfall for the three
before a brutus Beefcaken interrupt But what you

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don't see real well in the footage, and I highly if you watch this

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match, I highly recommend you check
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The fall Dynamite Kid takes is ridiculous. You know, it's a head

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butt to headbutt. He is standing
on the second rowe and he falls from

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there got to be a good nine
feet onto concrete and the camera doesn't even

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capture it that well. The crowd
saw it and it was pretty intense,

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and I'm sure that's what he was
trying to do, is show you a

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big, incredible moment, but it
was a little disappointing when you watch it

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on you know, on footage,
people miss it a lot. We all

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know about the infamous Mick Foley falling
off of the Hellena cell after being pushed

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off by Undertaker and falling through the
announcer table. Could you imagine if the

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camera just didn't catch that. Now
we have the British Bullbox as the World

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Tag Team Champions, and this is
about the time they have Matilda as their

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manager or their mascot. I guess, but right, who exactly was Matilda

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again? Just remind me please,
I'm a little lost on that. Matilda

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was just a bulldog. She was
a sweet little dog that Vince gave them.

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Dannymite talks about this in his book
and he says that what they would

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do to try to get Matilda to
chase some of the villain's managers and such,

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whether it's Bobby Heenan or Slick or
whatever, is that he would have

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asked one of them to go up
and keep taking her toys, or he

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said, they would ask Slick to
kind of kind of prod her a little

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bit with his cane, to kind
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so that Matilda actually hated these guys
and didn't know much better. Sometimes it

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worked. If you watch some of
these old matches, you can see they

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get in the ring with Matilda and
she'll go right after Jimmy Hart's megaphone or

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whatever, and that's you know,
it looks great for television. That is

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interesting to hear about how they potentially
did a little bit of animal training to

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get a little bit of a reaction
and a little something just you know,

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having oh, even the animal doesn't
like him sort of thing. And just

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she's that well in sync with the
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That's interesting and I like that.
So they're tag team champions at this point.

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00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.400
They're kind of just going up and
up in popularity. Yeah, what

402
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.680
goes on next with them? Man
around this time in eighty six, he

403
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.640
has a match with he's tagging with
Davy boy Smith and they're taking on Orton.

404
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.880
This is Randy Orton's father, Bob
Orton, Bob Cowboy Orton, and

405
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.799
his tag team partner that magnificent Morocco
Don Morocco. During this bout, he's

406
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.000
working against Morocco and he gets whipped
into the ropes. Dynamite is supposed to

407
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:17.039
jump over him and hit the opposite
ropes, and he said there was something

408
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.039
about the leap that he pulled his
back right there in the middle of it,

409
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.119
so he hits the other side,
jumping over his opponent, and then

410
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:32.440
from there he kind of collapses.
I believe that after that he had to

411
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.519
have surgery on his back, and
I believe it was something along the line

412
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:38.599
of having two discs pulled out of
his back. Afterwards just being removed completely.

413
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:44.759
This is where he started to experience
some big problems. First of all,

414
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.240
he couldn't finish the match very well. He ended up just laying there.

415
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.400
He kind of drags himself over,
He tags Davy Boy, who ends

416
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.480
up finishing the match, and from
there he's now injured. Transport him back

417
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.440
home to Calgary. Actually he's in
the hospital. In his own words,

418
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.599
Davy Boy only came to visit him
when he came with He arrived with his

419
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.839
wife. They showed up, they
got a photo for the local newspaper in

420
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:12.079
Calgary, and then they left.
And as far as Tom Billington says,

421
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.799
he claims that that was that was
probably it. You know that Davy Boy

422
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.279
apparently didn't give a damn and they
were just doing it for you know,

423
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.400
exposure, you know, for you
know, for press and sucks. So

424
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.720
it's hard to say whether Davy boy
really didn't care about him or what.

425
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:32.079
But that's kind of how he paints
the picture. After this, that's when

426
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.160
Dynamite started to go a little downhill, right, I mean he had the

427
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.160
injury and everything at that point.
I don't want to say you're becoming useless,

428
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:45.000
but you're going to have a little
bit less of everything at that point,

429
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.640
at least during the healing process.
And according to h I had watched

430
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.559
the Dark Side of the Ring episode
about Dynamite Kid, and people claimed,

431
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.440
yeah, he wasn't out for very
long. He was out for maybe two

432
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.039
weeks and tried to get back in
the ring already after that, even though

433
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.279
he was told he shouldn't be anymore. And it was claimed that at that

434
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.039
point that is when they were told
that they had to drop the titles because

435
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.759
well, you know, you're heard
at that point, they don't want to

436
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:14.880
absolutely just destroy this man's body completely. He actually, from what he describes,

437
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.200
he's twenty eight at this time,
and he's finally told by a doctor

438
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.079
where he hears the words over there
like maybe you should find another career.

439
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.359
So you're twenty eight and you're already
be told, hey, this is enough

440
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.559
for you. He's refusing that,
and he's talking about yeah, not only

441
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.799
he's having the problems with his back, he had issues with his leg.

442
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.680
His left leg was apparently not responding
correctly and there were some signs of paralysis.

443
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.440
Though it did come back to him
and Brett Hart did come to visit

444
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.559
him, and while there bretton here
talking, Brett says, and would like

445
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.400
it if I can maybe take the
title back with me. We have to

446
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.000
continue. We have stuff we got
to do, you know, things have

447
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.279
to go on, you know.
Dynamite refuses to give him the title.

448
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.519
Brett Hart returns back to you know, the Federation and apparently tells Vinces,

449
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:03.680
who then calls Billington later, can't
you know, have you know a belt

450
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.559
that's not being defended. You know, let's you know, let's figure this

451
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.920
out. And the solution they came
up with is they have the Dynamite kid,

452
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.640
who's now been training for a little
bit, return with Davy Boy and

453
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.200
he they walked to the ring.
I remember watching this as a kid.

454
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.160
They're walking to the ring arm in
arm, which is such a strange and

455
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.880
by that, I don't mean they're
working with their arm around each other,

456
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.920
like, hey, buddy, how
you doing, like if you put your

457
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:32.960
hands on your hips and there's someone
else doing the same thing and you sort

458
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.519
of link at elbows. He walks
down the ring side with him like that

459
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.079
because apparently the Dynamite Kid just could
not walk correctly, and this is what

460
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.799
they had to do. So they
get there. Jimmy Hart's megaphone is used

461
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.400
against him so he can be knocked
out at ringside, the Heart Foundation,

462
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.960
jim Knightheart and Brett Hart end up
wrestling Davy Boy in what's almost a handicap

463
00:30:55.039 --> 00:31:00.359
match. They have Dangerous Danny Davis
not quite yet, but the referee Danny

464
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:06.440
Davis, who they start to show
is a heel referee going against the faces

465
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.799
and the good guys of the WWF. He keeps checking on Dynamite on the

466
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.920
outside in a way that it keeps
allowing the Heart Foundation to just keep working,

467
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.160
almost like a handicap match against Davy
Boy. Of course, this leads

468
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.079
to them getting the titles after several
double team maneuvers, and that's that.

469
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.039
Danny Davis ends up working with the
Heart Foundation in a WrestleMania appearance against the

470
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:37.079
Bulldogs. During this time, it's
just interesting seeing how his performance really just

471
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.960
kind of flattens out for a little
bit, and you can tell it's just

472
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.359
different from how he was. It's
a little bit disappointing and a little bit

473
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.559
heartbreaking. Know that guy is twenty
eight. I'm twenty five right now,

474
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:48.960
and that feels like, man,
that's only three years away from me.

475
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.119
I didn't really realize that. I
do understand businesses business. Maybe they should

476
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.839
have just vacated the titles and said, well, look, go a little

477
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.839
bit reality with it and just say, hey, you know, the champion

478
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.000
was injured, but he wants to
fight back for the titles, So we're

479
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.160
going to hold a you know,
tag team tournament or whatever for whoever's going

480
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.759
to win the belts, and then
you know, they'll be able to try

481
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.240
to win him back or whatever while
he recovers and then is able to come

482
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.640
back for it. You know,
maybe they should have thought about some around

483
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:21.880
those lines to get him at least
interested and not too upset about the whole

484
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.640
situation. I guess, maybe not
have his pride in the way of things.

485
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.519
Yeah, well, what are you
going to do there? You have

486
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.640
a situation. The show must go
on, and the WWF is getting so

487
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:35.599
much momentum and at this point you
got to realize too, the Bulldogs are

488
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.440
they're in a great position. You
know, you have this league that's exploding

489
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.119
at the time, and you've got
to do what you've got to do.

490
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.200
Business is business. Anyways, they
use this to build towards the big match

491
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:52.000
at WrestleMania three, and you know, Billington has been training and working out

492
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:57.759
again. And the thing is he's
at that age he's doing so many steroids.

493
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.079
He's he describes himself at one point
that he's doing steroids. He's doing

494
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:07.119
cortizone shots. You're not supposed to
take cortizone all the time. It's not

495
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.839
supposed to be something that you just
do once a week, and that's how

496
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.680
he's describing it. And it's supposed
to be something you'd take maybe twice a

497
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.279
year or also can damage the joints
and the muscles in your body, which

498
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.000
comes back to him later. But
Dynamite Kid Tom Bellington, he sort of

499
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.079
lived for the moment. He just
kept kept rocking on, kept going right

500
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:31.960
right, And something that was mentioned
by Jacques Roujeau. He had said that

501
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.720
he remembered at one point seeing Billington
walking around in the locker room. He

502
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.680
had a needle sticking out of his
butt and it's just kind of like moving

503
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.279
and just dangling there, and he's
like yelling, I'm gonna have a great

504
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.759
match that night, and then he
just sees him walk out and he's just

505
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.240
kind of like scarred for life watching
as this dude's just walking around with his

506
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.920
needle just flailing out of his butt
like that. Well, that's there's so

507
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.440
many stories about the guy. I
believe it's the Honky Tonk Man mentions dynamite

508
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.079
Kid gives himself a shot with a
steroid at one point, you know,

509
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.199
right in the ar's cheek. He
would just throw the needle, you know,

510
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:10.360
like on the ground or whatever.
You know, didn't even bother with

511
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.079
the trash at the time. It
wasn't even like he was trying to hide

512
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:16.920
the steroid usage, but a lot
everyone was doing it. I guess at

513
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.440
the time there was something that I
had seen as well about uh Spivey had

514
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.000
talked about, Uh yeah, a
lot of guys they would just shoot up

515
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.199
and then they would throw it into
a wall like it was a dart.

516
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.119
And he called everybody that was in
the locker room just idiot wrestlers. But

517
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.400
that was just how it was back
then. That's who they were. You

518
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.840
know. It's easy for us to
laugh, but I guess they were.

519
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.840
They were living like rock stars.
They had that mentality that you know,

520
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.280
you had that much testosterone, that
that much ego in the room and people

521
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.360
are going to act like tough guys. They're they're destroying their bodies. But

522
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.679
at the time they were. It
was what they needed. It was what

523
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:50.719
they needed that boost. I might
not agree with it, but that's what

524
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:55.440
they did. Unfortunately, Dynamite Kid
was doing it like crazy and he's having

525
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.039
all sorts of problems. So he
and the Davy Boy Smith are starting to

526
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.679
have some issues. And it's about
this time when they had a day off,

527
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.960
I guess they decide to fill in
the match for in Stampede Wrestling,

528
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:14.639
you have to understand the Bulldogs did
not sign to a major contract like a

529
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.960
lot of other wrestlers did. They
wanted to still be free to go wrestle

530
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.920
in All Japan Pro Wrestling or Stampede
or wherever they liked to make as much

531
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.920
money as they could. Dynamite was
always booking based on how he could,

532
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.159
you know, build his bank account, which is smart it's business. You've

533
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.800
got to make the money where you
can. But a lot of wrestlers you

534
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.679
work for the WWF focus on that
it's the you know, the big coming

535
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.119
league, and that's what Vince wanted
obviously. That was the way the future

536
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.199
is that people would work just one
specific league and one you know, travel

537
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.599
with just that. And he did
get in trouble for filling in doing a

538
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.639
match in Stampede, and that's what
Vincent took, like, Hey, even

539
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.639
if you're not signed to a contract, you're not going to go work you

540
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.519
know, some indie and you know, the North American leagues and such,

541
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.599
and that's not the way it works, you know. So she's a little

542
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.400
controlling, but I get it.
You want your league to be almost exclusively

543
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:14.079
just who you have on your roster. To an extent, I understand Vince's

544
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.679
point of view on that that if
you're working other places, it diminishes the

545
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.800
you know, the World Wrestling Federation. And as a wrestling fan, maybe

546
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.719
I didn't like it at the time, but I guess I understand Vins's motivations.

547
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.360
It helped him to become the promoter
that he did. Concepts like that,

548
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.760
right, right, So yeah,
moving on from there him coming back

549
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.599
from Stampede. So, I think
we know what people kind of want to

550
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.800
hear about. Let's start to move
into the Rougeau incident and some of the

551
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.559
things that happened in the locker room
Man In nineteen eighty seven, he first

552
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.840
worked with them in the Survivor series. He tagged up with the Killer Bees,

553
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.360
the Strike Force, the Rougeaus,
of course, and the Young Stallions

554
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.199
when they took on Demolition the Islanders, the Heart Foundation and the tag team

555
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:08.119
of Dino Bravo and Greg Valentine.
The Bulldogs were eliminated by the Islanders.

556
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.679
The Young Stallions and the Killer Bees
end up going on to win the bout.

557
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:20.239
He describes not liking the Rouge's.
He says that when you were around

558
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.760
the Rougeau's Jacques and Raymond Rougeau,
who are French Canadians, and he claims

559
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:29.199
that they would talk to each other
in their own language, and it made

560
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.719
you feel like you were outside of
the inside Joe. He describes them not

561
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.800
being very popular with the rest of
the roster anyway. The whole incident seemed

562
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.840
to come about when Kurt Hennig,
mister Perfect, who was quite the River

563
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:47.599
himself decided to snip up some of
the clothes of the Rougeau's and apparently made

564
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.400
it look that the British Bulldogs were
behind it, which was not a surprise

565
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.880
because they had done this to several
other people. Interesting some of the ribbing

566
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.920
coming back again to haunt them in
a way, but you know, it's

567
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.079
just how the business was at the
time. Dynamite claims that, well,

568
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.239
this is one of the times we
did not do it, and Jacques Rougeau,

569
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.480
according to Kurt Hennig, had you
know, stooged them out to Vince

570
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.760
McMahon or someone he said or was
trying to. So he walks in during

571
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:23.760
a card game that Kurt Hennig is
having with Jacques Roujeau and a Raymond who

572
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.519
is also there. Dynamite walks in
with sort of an entourage. He has

573
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.400
Bad News Brown with him and Don
Morocco and a couple other guys he's friendly

574
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.239
with, and he walks up in
this blasts Jacques Rougeau in the side of

575
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:44.840
the head kind of palm strikes from
behind and knocks knocks Jacques right out of

576
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.239
his chair, and Jacques is trying
to be reasonable with him. Hey,

577
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.599
what's going on? Why? Why? Why are you angry at me?

578
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.079
What's going on? And his brother
Raymond has to step in. And it's

579
00:38:54.159 --> 00:39:00.119
interesting because there's a couple different arguments
on this. One is that Dynamite claims

580
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:06.760
he knocked out both of them in
his own words, and in Raymond Rugeau's

581
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.280
is that he, you know,
he socker punched his brother, Jacques Rujeau,

582
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.639
and then that was basically it.
Then he had left, and Raymond

583
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.400
Rougeau was known for being kind of
tough himself. He was a golden gloves

584
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.519
boxer and a lot of wrestlers knew
this about him. But he had injured

585
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.360
himself previously before this and was on
crutches himself, so he wasn't really,

586
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.119
you know, a tough guy.
Otherwise he claimed he would have tried to

587
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:37.159
step in and actually fight, because
Jacques Rougeau was not supposed to be a

588
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.039
tough fella at all. I'm not
saying he wasn't tough as a pro wrestler,

589
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.400
but he wasn't. He didn't have
the reputation that someone like say Dynamite

590
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:49.280
Kid does right right, and seeing
the way that he even talked about himself,

591
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.320
he doesn't seem like the kind of
guy to carry himself to be like

592
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.280
not really looking for fights or anything. But from Rougeau's own words in Dark

593
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.639
Side of the Rings, special about
the Dynamite Kid was he had talked to

594
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.519
his father about like what to do, because he was kind of plotting revenge

595
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.079
at that point, taking his father's
advice, which was go to the bank,

596
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.360
get yourself a roll of quarters,
and then go ahead get him back,

597
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.199
sucker punch him the way that he
did to you. And according to

598
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.119
him, he waited and was just
waiting for a dynamite after a match,

599
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.440
and he said for a week he
hadn't looked Dynamite Kid in the eyes,

600
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.119
but then that day he was waiting
for him, and as he saw him

601
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.039
walking over towards him, he said, hey, how's it going. He

602
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.039
said, Dynamite Kid lifted his head
up, had a coffee in his hand,

603
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.519
and then as soon as he lifted
his head up, immediately just punched

604
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.639
him straight out of the chin.
And he said, you know those monster

605
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.760
movies that you see as a kid, and how there's blood spewing everywhere,

606
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.800
Well, it's true. I knocked
out four teeth and that's the way that

607
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.159
it kind of looked at that point, and then I yelled at him,

608
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.440
next time, I'll put you in
a wheelchair censoring. Of course, Vince

609
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.360
McMahon had apparently spoken to them and
said, hey, I'm going to talk

610
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.440
to you guys soon, because he
knew something was brewing. He knew there

611
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.360
was problems, you know, going
on this locker, and the Rougeau's knew

612
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.559
that if they didn't do something soon, you know, if they've reacted after

613
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.840
Vince spoke to them and told them, hey, you know, I don't

614
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.880
want any more violence, then that
was their jobs. And he went down

615
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.719
to one knee and Raymond Rougeau is
cheering his brother on, come on,

616
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.159
Cohan, try to jab jab jab, you know, to try to take

617
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.519
him out. Raymond can't get involved. He's on crutches. Dynamite is not

618
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.880
going down, but he's trying to
hold on to Raymond eventually or Jacques Roujeau,

619
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.360
and eventually he does when Jacques Hill
jabs him enough that he goes down.

620
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.079
Bad News Brown gets in separates everyone
and after that, the Rougeau brothers

621
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.320
go and they immediately go speak to
Vince McMahon, who was in the middle

622
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.159
of speaking to Hogan at the time, and the Dynamite kid has taken off

623
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.880
to go get his teeth fixed.
It was a couple of weeks later Vince

624
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.800
brings them all together and he has
the Rougeau brothers agree to pay for Dynamite's

625
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.880
teeth and drops it at that though
the Rougeaus deny that they ever actually paid

626
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.719
to it. They just said it
and apparently Vince paid for it, and

627
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.719
Dynamite also in his book Pure Dynamite
claims that he got his teeth fixed for

628
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.599
free, so he pulled one on
them anyway, and several wrestlers have stated

629
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.039
that that's the point where Dynamite wasn't
quite the same guy after that, because

630
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.719
his sort of tough guy status and
the way he sort of swaggered was changed.

631
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.760
You know, people had seen him
fall and he was never quite the

632
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.239
same right at that point, it
seemed like his ego has started to fall

633
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.480
off. Now, one other thing
that had happened after the incident, in

634
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:36.880
a little bit of the falling action
from all of that, was it gave

635
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.559
Dynamite issue some issues with his confidence
and everything, and eventually it led to

636
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.639
him buying a gun to give to
his wife because according to him. Apparently

637
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.400
Dino Bravo, who you know,
he had his mafia ties and everything and

638
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.400
all that stuff that had went on
with his career. Well, apparently he

639
00:42:53.440 --> 00:43:01.719
had seen a envelope with you know, Thomas Fillington's family home address names everything

640
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.039
in it, and he was telling
them like, hey, you might want

641
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.599
to be careful. I think Jacques
may have done something to prevent any kind

642
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:13.920
of retaliation. And according to Jacques
Roujeau, he set that up that it

643
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.639
wasn't actually real, but he made
something up that Dino Bravo would believe enough

644
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.960
that he would go back to the
Dynamite kid and tell him, yeah,

645
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.119
you guys better be careful sort of
thing, Whereas Jacque Ujaux claims, well,

646
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:30.719
I guess it works. He wasn't
gonna bother me again sort of thing.

647
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.760
I guess, really trying to get
rid of the bully of hard Way.

648
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.760
And no, I guess it worked
because you never really hear about any

649
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.400
kind of issue after that. If
they were working Dynamite a little bit,

650
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.800
you know, it's hard to say, can you really blame them, you

651
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.800
know, considering all the pranks and
stuff he pulled on everyone else, They

652
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.880
probably just wanted it to be done. And he also had mentioned that during

653
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:57.840
this time that Chief Ja Strongwoll had
or try to buy some steroids off of

654
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.639
Tom Billington, and Billington said,
well, I just gave him ten bottles

655
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:07.400
or so, and he ended up, you know, also getting fined.

656
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.199
You know, who knows if the
steroids were something to you know, tell

657
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:13.519
back to McMahon or you know whatever. Probably not, because Mince was probably

658
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:20.039
doing them too, and the Bulldogs
were starting to maybe lose a little bit

659
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.719
of favor. You know, there
was a lot of bad, bad talk

660
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.239
going on about them in you know, the locker rooms and such. And

661
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.719
it was a little surprising later on
when they were supposed to fly elsewhere and

662
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.719
there's only so many flight coupons that
were passed out to the wrestlers. Billington

663
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.440
claims that strong Bow, as Vince's
agent, seemed to mysteriously not have flight

664
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.679
coupons for both he and Davy Boy. He believed at this point that things

665
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.039
were starting, you know, that
this is a punishment and things were starting

666
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.800
to catch up. So he went
and he called Giant Baba. Right,

667
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.119
what year would you say this was? At this time point, this would

668
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.480
have to be a found nineteen eighty
eight. Okay, that makes sense.

669
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.679
They finished up their time there doing
the Survivor Series match. They were supposed

670
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.280
to do bouts with the Brainbusters as
well, and apparently Tom Billington did not

671
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.960
like he said. Arn Anderson was
all right, but he didn't think much

672
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.760
of Telly Blanchard, so he instead
asked, now, let's just do I

673
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.920
don't want to lose to those guys, and so he ends up going to

674
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:31.840
All Japan and doing some work there. This is around eighty nine. He

675
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.440
ends up starting to work Danny Spidey
with Stan Hansen, Toshiaki Kawata and the

676
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.559
Malankos, Joe and Dean. He
had very good things to say about the

677
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.360
Malankos, which isn't a surprise.
They're fantastic wrestlers and they're not that different

678
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.039
from his style. But this is
where things start to go, you know,

679
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.480
a little off the rails, and
it's in Japan. I think.

680
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.639
He mentions they go a little harsh
on a man by the name of Mitch

681
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.679
snow. Right, you and I
talked about Mitch snow a little. He

682
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.760
Dynamite Kid was not a fan of
Mitch snow He describes Mitch as being a

683
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.639
bit of a loud mouth. He
said that Mitch Snow had made the claim

684
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:14.320
that, yeah, the bulldogs are
never gonna get one over on me,

685
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.119
you know, meaning they're never going
to pull a big prank on me.

686
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.719
You never say, oh yeah,
they'll never get me, because then they

687
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.159
will find a way to get you. It doesn't matter who it is,

688
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.599
whether it's the Bulldogs or whoever.
But if I remember this correctly, So

689
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.920
Mitch Snow, according to a few
different wrestlers, including Spivey, said yeah,

690
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.039
he was a real trash talker all
the time, no matter what was

691
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.639
going on, in any little situation
that he could put his nose into,

692
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.639
be like, oh yeah, you
really screwed the pooch here for whatever reason.

693
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:44.280
Now, eventually they had I'm just
gonna preface this right now. For

694
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:50.679
anybody that's listening that has a sensitivity
to how do I put this things about

695
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.519
like assault, date, rape,
any of that kind of stuff, you

696
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.719
should probably stop listening here because there's
going to be mentions of roofees and the

697
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.199
store. It only gets darker from
here, honestly, So if you can't

698
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.039
stomach some darker things that happened in
this man's life. You should probably stop

699
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.679
here honestly and live your life.
Figure what he was a great guy trigger

700
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:16.880
warning. Yeah, so he had
essentially roofeed Mitch Snow and from there he

701
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:22.639
basically collapsed in his hotel room onto
the bed, and then Davy Boy Smith

702
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.199
and Dynamite Kid they went out the
balcony, so they broke into his room.

703
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.280
Apparently they shaved off his eyebrows,
shaved his head, took a dump

704
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.960
in his gym bag, which I
know I mentioned earlier a little bit of

705
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.079
foreshadowing, but yeah, they really
just kind of screwed this guy up just

706
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.559
to show like, oh, you
thought that we couldn't get you here?

707
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.920
You go? And Tim, we
were talking off camera, did you say

708
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.559
that something had happened with him having
to leave Japan early because of that?

709
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.840
From what I understand, when Don
Morocco picks him up for a spike pile

710
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.719
driver maneuver, both the bulldogs jumped
off turnbuckles and spiked him very hard,

711
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.360
and after Mitch Snow is recovering from
his problems, Davy Boy did go and

712
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:07.519
damage his stuff. You know,
Oh we got him in a prank,

713
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.519
but it's you know, he makes
it sound so much more innocent than what

714
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.559
you describe, right, right,
of course he's gonna have his rose colored

715
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.920
glasses on and just say, oh, you know we yeah, we uh

716
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.800
just pulled a prank on him.
No, that's not what that was.

717
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.440
And in the words of Jacqurau show
once again, I keep kind of referring

718
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.159
back to him because everything that he
had said in the special about him,

719
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.199
well, they like to rib on
people, and you know, it's funny

720
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.320
when it's something small time, but
man, when you're you know, two

721
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.159
months out of the road, it's
not funny anymore when you haven't been home

722
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.920
that long and this is all your
stuff, this is all you have.

723
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.159
It's not funny anymore when you know
you haven't seen your family in this long

724
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.440
and you're like, man, I've
been gone this whole time. This is

725
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.159
everything I have and you guys just
mutilated my face and my head doing this

726
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.760
stuff and you're calling it a prank
haha, But you're really just screwing me

727
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.119
over long term. So that's kind
of how he had seen it, and

728
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.079
it was a pretty good way to
describe it, I think, because it

729
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.840
might be funny in a way,
but realistically it's kind of messed up when

730
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.519
you're in the middle of a situation
like that, not to mention spiking someone

731
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:13.800
on a pile driver, you know, three person assisted pile driver like that.

732
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.760
Yeah, right, there's that,
and then there's also the spiking of

733
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.840
the drinks and everything else, and
it's like, man, come on,

734
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.039
because that's what they had said in
the Dark Side of the Ring episode was

735
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.639
that they legitimately drugged him. But
yeah, that kind of thing. So

736
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.000
yeah, he actually does mention later
on too, Mitch Snow when he was

737
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.320
going to wrestle in another league.
One of the promoters contacts him and says,

738
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.599
we got a guy here named Mitch
Snow and they would like to make

739
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.800
sure that that you're not going to
try anything on them, and Dynamite Tom

740
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:43.360
Billington apparently couldn't turn down that temptation, you know, refused to not further

741
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:47.239
harass the man. So so anyways, that's basically how we're ending out nineteen

742
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.280
eighty nine and sort of in the
nineties, he does mention. He gets

743
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.320
to wrestle Cactus Jack, which is
interesting because those of you who know Mick

744
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.880
Foley's book and you know what Mick
Foley talked about situation with him and Dynamite

745
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.840
Kid. Are you familiar with this? Maverick Mick Foley had claimed that it

746
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.639
was that he was still going by
just Jack Foley at the time. He

747
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:15.159
had claimed that during the match that
ah Man, he said that Dynamite Kid

748
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.480
went for a clothesline, and he
said it felt a lot less like a

749
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.840
clothesline and more like he just clubbed
me with his bicep and because of that,

750
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.360
it dislocated my jaw and for about
three weeks, I wasn't eating any

751
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.920
solid food. Said there was no
ill will about the whole situation, that

752
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.119
it wasn't a huge uproar about it. Nobody was upset with each other.

753
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.039
He said that he shook their hands
in the locker room afterwards and thanked them

754
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.679
for the match, and then he
went back to his hotel room and threw

755
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.320
up in the toilet. Yeah,
well, Mix a pretty cool guy about

756
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.920
getting the hell beat out of him. Yeah, that's that's what I heard

757
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.280
as well. Is that Dynamite Kid. I mean, he was known for

758
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.360
that, for doing that, that
clothesline, that hooking one. In his

759
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.920
own words, he describes his version
compared to how Davy Boy would throw a

760
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.239
clothesline, and he says, hey, if I'm throwing a clothes line at

761
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:01.440
you, I'm running at you.
I'm gonna hook you. You better go

762
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:07.159
down because if not, it's it's
gonna blast you. And you can see

763
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.440
on those shots it looks like,
for those of you who have not watched

764
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:14.400
a lot of them, look at
Chris Benoi throwing certain clothes lines, it

765
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.639
looks like, you know, killing
the other guy with him. That was

766
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:21.800
like one of his proteges, wasn't
it. Absolutely? Oh absolutely, Chris

767
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.840
Benoa looks like a carbon copy of
him at times. But that clothesline is

768
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:30.960
so so vicious dynamite. It looks
like he's catching them with between the bicep

769
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.239
and the forearm right under the neck
half the dime, you know. And

770
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.480
when Davy Boy would do it,
he would he'd blast him with the clothes

771
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:38.880
line and then he would lift off
a little bit, you know, he'd

772
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.440
hit him with the bicep, you
know, and try to connect with the

773
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.679
other guy's pectorial. Well, that's
what you're supposed to do with the clothesline.

774
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:47.280
It's supposed to be that contact.
And he says that, you know,

775
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.280
Davy Boy would he'd hit and he
would lift off. He felt that

776
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.079
Davy Boy was being too gentle,
and Davy's you know comment was like,

777
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:58.760
hey, I don't want to rip
a pectorial muscle on you know, somebody

778
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.960
else, and din might you know, he would he would lay into and

779
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:07.360
Mick Foley mentions that in his book
and they the match you can actually find

780
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.760
online as he's jack fully. It
actually ends with a top rope belly to

781
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.840
back superplex, which is insane to
see in the eighties belly to back superplex.

782
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:22.000
You have to realize how young and
inexperienced Mick Foley was at the time.

783
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.239
That's not an easy bump to take
there. That's you know, that's

784
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.880
you know what they were in the
past. But in the nineties he gets

785
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.079
to wrestle Cactus Jack. Mick is
a little more experienced, and Tom Billington's

786
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.880
own words, they have a very
good match, though he did describe that

787
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.639
when Cactus Jack goes to do his
classic elbow on the outside, rolls out

788
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.719
of the way and left Mick to
just take the entire impact himself. Mcfoley

789
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.519
doesn't seem to have any hard feelings
about this. Good for him, God,

790
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.599
Mick just seems like the nicest sort
of guy, like I feel like

791
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.920
somebody could pour soup into his lap
and then he would apologize to them.

792
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.280
Honestly, Mick, we're not talking
down on you, man. You're just

793
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.639
such a nice guy. If you
are listening, you know, right right

794
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.559
right, you know everyone loves you. Still dynamite kid. At this point,

795
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.360
he and this is the nineties era
now and things. This is sort

796
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.480
of the downward spiral of Tom Billington. I hate to say, He's wrestling

797
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:19.239
a lot now in Japan. He's
wrestled in stampede with Johnny Smith as both

798
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.960
an opponent and as a tag team
partner with him and Davy Boy, and

799
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:28.119
he and Davy Boy are starting to
end their agreetment as the Bulldogs at the

800
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.159
Around this time, Davy Boy takes
off back to the WWF and he has

801
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:37.760
trademarked the name the British Bulldogs,
and so he didn't he just become the

802
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.239
British Bulldog at that point though,
he did, yeah, and he showed

803
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:47.119
up and he was huge. And
Tom Billington continues to wrestle with Johnny Smith,

804
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:52.840
oftentimes has the British Bruisers because that's
what Johnny Smith had wrestled as Johnny

805
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.280
Smith. By the way, it
was related to Ted Bentley. He was

806
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.840
not related to Davy Boy Smith at
all, which is interesting because that's the

807
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:06.400
way they boys presented right. He
ends up working the Nasty Boys, and

808
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.039
from his opinion, he didn't think
much of them at first. Apparently there's

809
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:15.800
some incident where they had all went
to a sushi bar, the Nasty Boys.

810
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:17.760
If you look up interviews with them, Brian Nobbs mentions, hey,

811
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.840
we we just forgot We were young, We were drunk and we left a

812
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:27.280
bar tab open, and I guess
it reflected on a Dynamite kid and Dynamite

813
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.159
ad started the match with them.
He had looked over to Johnny Smith and

814
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.119
he'd said, hey, don't give
him nothing, which meaning, you know,

815
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.880
meaning don't sell for them, don't
make them look good, just you

816
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:38.320
know, just beat on him.
And that's what he ended up doing.

817
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:44.800
The match apparently ends where Tom Billington
whips Brian Knobbs to the corner. He

818
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.559
tells him, hey, stay for
the clothes line, and he comes running

819
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:51.360
in and blasts him with a corner
clothes line and ends up splitting the guy's

820
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.719
lip, you know, giving him
a pin and he said the Nasty Boys

821
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:58.360
were cool about it, though maybe
they were like Mick Foley, and afterwards

822
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.280
he decided he really liked them,
good guys. But that's basically how he

823
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.559
started ending you know, all Japan
in ninety one. This is sort of

824
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.360
the end of his time. He
goes to see his father, his own

825
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.840
father before he dies in England,
who has not seen in about thirteen years.

826
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:19.280
He hates Davy Boys Smith now who's
trademarked the name the British Bulldogs so

827
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.039
he can't use it himself. He's
not working for the WF, he's not

828
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.239
working for All Japan, who were
not happy about, you know, certain

829
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.199
incidents like the Nasty Boys and such. Though they would have still kept booking

830
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.159
him, he just decided he was
done there. He's working matches in England.

831
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.199
He's doing stuff for Max Crabtree and
such. Again. Davy Boy's done

832
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:42.159
some stuff for the Federation and then
went off to WCW. He apparently didn't

833
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.760
last long in the Fed, and
then did some stuff for Crabtree and stuff

834
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.480
back in England again and Dynamite shows
up at one of the shows and Smith

835
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.599
is not there. So Tom Billington
just destroys his merchandise. Stan, I

836
00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.519
guess, and you know, to
talk smack about him and such, very

837
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.519
very professional and this is a sort
of the tail end years for him.

838
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.199
He ends up working a couple more
matches. The last bout I believe was

839
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.960
in Missionoku. Did you know about
that? Would that be the attempt to

840
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.760
come back match within nineteen ninety six? I believe, Yeah, I guess.

841
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.639
The idea was they wanted to bring
him into surprise Tiger Mask, and

842
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:27.639
so he works against Tiger Mask.
He's tagging with Kuniaki Kobashi and dos karras

843
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:34.440
against the original Setoro Seyama as Tiger
the Great Sasake who owns Missionoku and Mills

844
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.800
Maskarez, and the match itself is
okay, but this is pretty much is

845
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.440
You can see when he shows up
there, he's a shell of the guy

846
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.719
he was. He's not been doing
the steroids. He's not been it's it's

847
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.280
years afterwards. He is now just
sort of doing it for the money.

848
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.719
And he mentions himself that he felt
embarrassed afterwards because he knew that at this

849
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:59.400
point it wasn't his work rate anymore
that was getting him hired. It was

850
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:01.599
his his name it was. That
was that was all he had left,

851
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.119
right and from what I've heard and
what I've seen, his ring gear didn't

852
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.679
even fit correctly at that point,
because I mean, he was obviously off

853
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.599
the steroids at that point. He
wasn't big enough to really fit even into

854
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.960
his tights at one point for what
I've heard, which was spandex. So

855
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:20.159
that's kind of hard to swallow at
that point. In ninety seven, he's

856
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.039
now he's been divorced. At this
point, he was divorced in ninety one,

857
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:27.239
I believe from his life well correct, we can cover that a little

858
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.079
bit later. That was if you
guys are still listening, that was,

859
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.960
you know, more about what the
trigger warning was for for all of you

860
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.880
guys that you know may be uncomfortable
with that, which, hey, no

861
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:38.679
harm, no foul if you're not
comfortable with it. By ninety seven,

862
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.880
he marries his his new wife,
Dot who apparently, in his own words,

863
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.719
didn't know he was a wrestler.
He liked that that that she just

864
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:49.000
met him, and you know,
they got along. At that point,

865
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.760
he's at the end of it.
He's he's seeing doctors and such. He's

866
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:57.559
wheelchair bound. He's friends with Dan
Spivey still who was also having a lot

867
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.519
of problems of his own, and
this is pretty much, I hate to

868
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.119
say, it's the end of the
man's career. Go for all the things

869
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.320
that he's done and kind of ties
up the end. He says that he

870
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.760
was proud of a lot of the
things he did. He you know,

871
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.719
he a five Star match with Tiger
Mask, the second one Dave Meltzer ever

872
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.119
mentioned. He's had tag the world
tag titles in the WBF, in all

873
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:27.159
Japan, he was the WF Junior
light Heavyweight Champion. This guy helped Brett

874
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.599
Hart get to where he got to. You know, the matches they had

875
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.840
were incredible, and he helped shape
him and you know the rest of the

876
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:37.400
Heart family and the others at Stampede, right the guy he helped train Ben

877
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.159
Wah. He really paved the way
for the guys like Guerrero and Liger and

878
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.960
really was just a cruiserweight legend at
that point before it was really popular to

879
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.199
be that kind of guy. Absolutely. I mean, as far as that

880
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.440
high spot style match, he's the
guy who innovated both the superplex and the

881
00:58:53.480 --> 00:59:00.719
backdrop superplex, did some incredible stuff
so much it's incredible to see. If

882
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:04.840
you watch any of his matches,
you will see he's very stiff with a

883
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.920
lot of the things that he gives, and he's precise with his move set.

884
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.840
And something that's very memorable about him
and something that I've only seen him

885
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.679
hit the way he does is his
snap suplex. It's oh quick and it

886
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.719
looks like it hits hard, and
even jocqu Rujeau said, yeah, one

887
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.440
second you're standing there and then the
next you're just flipped over him and you're

888
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.800
gone. You just feel it hitting
the mat. You just feel your back

889
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.159
hit you, and it's like you
just didn't expect it, even though you

890
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.519
knew it was about to hit you. His snap super lex is incredible,

891
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:37.239
and that's you can see that with
Ben Wah, Chris. Ben Wah imitates

892
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.639
us, which were so many maneuvers
and the guy was great, you know,

893
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.480
flying head butt from the top rope. Some of his work rate really

894
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:50.159
transcends what you'd expect at the time. It it became the cornerstone for what

895
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.480
you would expect for light heavyweight wrestlers. Cruiseweight Wrestling, the two h five

896
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.360
Live kind of divisions that that sort
of you know, hey, we can

897
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.000
wrestle on this, we can do
you know, dives to the outside.

898
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.599
These are incredible things, incredible stuff
there. On the downside, there's a

899
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.880
lot of negatives. And this is
I think you and I talked before,

900
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.000
and I'd said a little bit of
the good, the bad, the ugly.

901
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:16.480
Yep. Yeah, for you guys
who are listening, here's what the

902
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.159
trigger warning was about. Let's go
back to nineteen ninety one. Let's talk

903
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.119
about what we talked a little bit
off camera about. So, okay,

904
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:27.559
yeah, what are we going to
talk about? His wife and the shotgun.

905
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.880
We're going to talk about the family
life and things that just happened,

906
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:37.400
and his daughters remember his former wife
remembers. So we'll start off with this

907
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.679
story, guys, nineteen ninety one. I believe his former wife had said

908
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.079
it was New Year's and he comes
home with just a bloody face, and

909
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.760
his daughter was just terrified. Obviously, I mean her dad just walked in

910
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.119
faces bleeding. I think any little
kid, that's for anybody that would see

911
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:57.880
that would be like, yo,
what is going on? And he comes

912
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:00.599
over he's like, Ah, don't
worry about it. He fell, It's

913
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.440
okay, And his wife's a little
nervous, obviously for good reason, and

914
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.920
eventually she starts talking to him and
says, hey, what's going on.

915
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.840
He's not really being specific. Eventually
it seemed like he had lost his mind.

916
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.280
During this time. She tried not
to have anybody hurt in the situation,

917
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:28.599
but as she was pregnant with his
third child, I believe don my

918
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.400
kid had an absolute episode and it
seemed like he had lost his mind.

919
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:36.559
There's a point where she had asked
him to leave because of the way he

920
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:37.760
was acting and being and he said, you know what, I think you

921
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.360
should leave me, he said.
She said, no, you know,

922
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:44.159
I have the kids here, I'm
pregnant. I think it would be easier

923
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:45.400
for you to go, and I
think you should go back to England.

924
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.119
And he told her, you know
what, you know, fifteen minutes to

925
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.800
get out, and grabbed a shotgun, pointed at her head and said I

926
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.159
will blow your effing head off.
And at that point she actually called his

927
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.199
bluff. She's just now, yeah, you're not going to do that,

928
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.480
and eventually ended up calling the police, who basically told her, well,

929
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.280
he said you can leave, just
leave, So eventually she did follow the

930
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.800
direction of the police operator, who
I think is just wow, that has

931
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.960
to be one of the worst possible
people to be giving you advice at that

932
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.679
moment. Oh well, the gunman
says, you can leave, just go,

933
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.920
this is my house. No,
right, right, Why aren't you

934
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.079
helping me? But wow, Yeah, there was a little bit more violent

935
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.719
things that went on, Like I
guess he had dragged her across the floor

936
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:35.079
by the hair at first, and
she had been just traumatized at that point,

937
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.079
but she kept trying to like downplay
for the kids, like, oh,

938
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.440
no, daddy's having a moment.
It's okay, he'll leave, We'll

939
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:45.760
be fine. Eventually she and the
kids left, and then he left back

940
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:50.320
to England, where he wouldn't be
seen for a long time and his daughters

941
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:55.000
hadn't seen him in what felt like
forever. And then a few years later

942
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:59.440
he got remarried to I believe her
name was dot you had said in what

943
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:05.320
was it Night? Ninety seven?
Later on down the road his daughter was

944
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.960
oldest one. I believe her name
is Bronwin. Yeah, she had decided,

945
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:12.119
you know what, I'm going to
go and see him, just to

946
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:16.760
at least put that effort out there
and to try for him and she claims

947
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:21.079
it was a nice visit. There
was even a point where he actually apologized

948
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.639
to her for things that he had
put the family through and how terrible it

949
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.960
was. There's just a lot to
that to think about, Like could you

950
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.760
imagine witnessing your own family turning against
you like that all over what you know?

951
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:37.840
Along with this, there is some
rumors that he was in some sort

952
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.760
of bare knuckle boxing ring of some
sort, and oh geez, Dan Spivey

953
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.239
had talked about it a little bit. I'm not entirely sure how true it

954
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:50.840
is, and from between Tim,
you and I, we haven't really found

955
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.599
any other substantial evidence besides Spivey kind
of hinting and talking about it during the

956
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:59.320
Dark Side of the Ring episode.
But it seems like it's possible. Would

957
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.400
he have done it? Maybe,
but who's to say really besides him And

958
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.679
at the end of it all,
his wife blame or his former wife,

959
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:12.320
I should say. Michelle blamed the
CTE and depression for what could have happened,

960
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.880
and she doesn't really want people to
talk down on him, but more

961
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.239
of the situation and believes that maybe
if there's better concussion protocol and people cared

962
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:23.920
about mental health, that these sort
of things wouldn't have happened. But one

963
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:27.800
thing is very surprising and kind of
comes to my mind about the whole shotgun

964
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.800
incident is and let's address the elephant
in the room, the Ben Wah incident.

965
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.880
You know, I mean, where
this guy said I'll blow your head

966
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:41.599
off ben Wah actually went through with
it. As dark and depressing as that

967
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:45.639
is. I mean, there's other
I did not mention this, but in

968
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.199
my research over and over keeps mentioning. One of his good friends was also

969
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:56.239
Billy Jack Haynes. Billy Jack Haynes, who's been recently mentioned also in ties

970
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.559
to a tragedy involving a shooting involving
his own family. I think it's safe

971
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:05.679
to say that litting your body up
with incredible amounts of testosterone and giving yourself

972
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:11.159
concussions over and over is probably not
a good idea. I can't agree more.

973
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.480
And as of I think a month
or two ago, Billy Jack Haynes

974
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.360
was arrested for shooting his wife birds
of a feather they flocked together. But

975
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:24.360
there's only I mean, there's there's
several other things that we did not touch

976
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:29.280
on while we were discussing. There's
several rustlers that mentioned him slipping Halsey on

977
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:31.760
pills and people's strengths to mess with
their heads. Oh, of course,

978
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:38.360
the honky Tonk Man. There's an
entire bit worthy apparently the honky Tonk Band.

979
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.519
Now this is, of course,
we're going to rumors here that the

980
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:46.000
the Dynamite Kid was friends with the
King, Harley Race, that's what they

981
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.519
were calling him at the time,
and the w w F Great Wrestler,

982
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:55.239
legendary guy. Also a very questionable
concerning some of the antics. But what

983
01:05:55.880 --> 01:06:00.800
according to Dynamite, he had heard
that the honky Tonk Band had said something

984
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:04.079
about the the you know, Harley
Race, the King when he was away

985
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:08.280
because he was having stomach problems,
and made a joke on man, I

986
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:12.199
bet he wishes he had this paycheck
that honky Tonk had just got. And

987
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.360
he then says he went and he
slapped around Wayne Ferris, you beat him

988
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.519
up, and the Honky Talk Band
was crying and such. And though if

989
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.400
you read anything where the Honky Talk
Band's talking about it, he says,

990
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:26.280
it's it didn't quite happen that way. It seems a little, you know,

991
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:30.199
a little bit of an argument whether
dynamite actually attacked him. Well,

992
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.559
he does mention the dynamite attacked him, but he doesn't say that, you

993
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:35.920
know, he went crying and such. I wouldn't want to tell people that

994
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:41.920
either. But he says that he
never made fun of Harley Race, or

995
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.639
if he did, he just laughed
at joke someone else that was saying and

996
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:48.239
it wasn't meant to be this serious. He claimed that Bobby he had made

997
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:54.000
some joke and then he laughed and
it wasn't supposed to be that serious.

998
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:59.719
And one of the darker things I'd
heard was also, did you hear the

999
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.719
stuff about John Foley's daughter, John
Foley's daughter. Oh, We're getting really

1000
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:08.880
deep in the weeds here. I
did not know about this. I don't

1001
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.280
know how legit this is. I
like, this is the best I could

1002
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.239
do from you know, research.
But supposedly John Fully, which was one

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of his managers in Stampede if you
remember back then another English the claim is

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that Dynamite Kid had broke John Fully's
daughter's legs when John Fully had wanted to

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use her for an insurance claim,
not use her, but she had you

1006
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know, he'd wanted to get more
money from an insurance claim, so he

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asked Dynamite to break her legs from
the knees down. And this is internet

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rumor, I can't tell you for
certain, but still given some of the

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other stories he's told and such,
who knows, who really knows. It's

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it's hard to tell. I'm not
trying to blame the guy, but it's

1011
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:58.400
it's difficult when you look at this, this wrestler who's done so many incredible

1012
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:03.000
things for changing work rate itself and
changing what people thought was possible. And

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at the same time too, there's
so many stories of sadism, you know,

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abuse, just these horrible things that
he's done, and it's like,

1015
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:15.719
man, you really kind of went
off the deep end there. But and

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I know that CDE and the drugs
definitely played a part in it, but

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man, that has so many of
these bad effects. And like we just

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mentioned Ben Wah and Billy Jack Haynes, these two other guys that most would

1019
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.279
see them as they had to have
gone nuts at that point to be well

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doing the things that they did.
Dynamite had condemned Ben Wah's actions afterwards,

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and that's interesting saying you know,
oh man, you got to you got

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to learn how to taper the state. You know, you don't take it

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out in family members and this that
you know, And I mean he didn't

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01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:54.199
pull the trigger on his family,
but he certainly pointed it at them.

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It's there's a certain point where you
say to yourself, there are fantastic legends

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01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:04.279
throughout and there are fantastic professional wrestlers, but there's a certain point where you

1027
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say, was he really that much
of a professional? But as far as

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his impact on as far as high
flying and high spots and work rate and

1029
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the intense loads wh would do in
the ring, he is arguably a legend.

1030
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I have to agree. He has
paved the way for many and at

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what cost, honestly, potentially is
sanity. Body can't just go forever and

1032
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:38.039
you can't keep juicing it up hoping
for great result. And I think that's

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where we'll end this one, guys, because we went down the dark path.

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We showed you the good, the
bad, and the ugly. Here

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01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.279
it's rough knowing what this man did, but at the same time, it's

1036
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also great to see what he's done
for the profession that he loved so much.

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But on a lighter note, so
Tim, this is your first time

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01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.680
on the podcast. Do you have
any recommendations for the ADDI it's book,

1039
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.920
movie, song, just something something
we do on Wrestle Magic. So my

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01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:10.600
recommendation. I tried to read as
many books by professional wrestlers as I can.

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01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:15.279
My favorite, I would have to
say Mick Foley's Have a Nice Day,

1042
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.119
and it's extremely relevant to what we're
speaking about now. He talks about

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01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:24.520
working with Dynamite Kid and what his
experiences were like there. It's also just

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a fantastic read. So that's my
recommendation. Totally totally agree, man,

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01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:31.399
and honestly, guys, I don't
know how all of you feel about Dark

1046
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.359
Side of the Ring. I don't
know how you guys feel about, you

1047
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.560
know, even what we just did
talk about this guy's career. But if

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01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:43.279
I could give a recommendation, that
show really does go pretty well in depth.

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01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:45.159
So I will say, if you
guys want to know more stuff like

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this, like I'm pretty sure they
went over like the murder of Bruiser Brody

1051
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:53.520
and the questionable death of Dino Bravo
and stuff like that. If you want

1052
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.279
to know about that kind of stuff, check them out too. I have

1053
01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:59.680
to give them credit. It's narrated
by Chris Jericho, which honestly, he's

1054
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.319
got his own controversy kind of going
on recently, but he does it very

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well. And I have to give
credit where it's due for also where I'm

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getting some of my information. And
I have to say it's been a lot

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of fun here. You guys know
where to reach me at maintenance mav on

1058
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.359
Twitter hit me up, especially if
you guys know where I got that intro

1059
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.600
idea from, because I'd like to
see who knows where I got that from.

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01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:24.479
But anyways, you sound nice for
somebody you never know who needs it.

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And with that, in the words
of Memphis Mark, I know