WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:51.600 M. The following presentation is in Del Margat Studios Production. Welcome back, 2 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:58.520 truth seekers from across this flat plane. Welcome to another edition of The Flat 3 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.119 Earth Files. I hope everyone one is doing well. I hope everyone had 4 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.239 a great weekend. We have a great guest standing by who will be joining 5 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:07.920 us in just a moment day from Alaska. Before we kick things off, 6 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:14.599 just a reminder, please do stop by our website, the flat Earth files 7 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.480 dot com. We have upgraded our speak pipe message system. We get several 8 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.760 messages every week, so you now have the ability to leave a message up 9 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.439 to five minutes long. 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That's all the housekeeping for today. Let's bring on 20 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:13.800 our guest from the other side of the country, from the great state of 21 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.479 Alaska is Dave. And Dave, thank you so much for joining us tonight. 22 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.680 Not a problem. Thank you. George. Go ahead, before we 23 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.240 get started and get into our conversation. Why don't you go ahead and introduce 24 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:30.039 yourself to the audience. Well, my name's Dave. Like George, I 25 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.520 did a career in the army. I did twenty two years. I retired 26 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.840 March of twenty twenty, and I'm sure everybody remembers what happened like twenty twenty, 27 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.240 but I couldn't have got out at a better time. We retired, 28 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.280 came back up to Alaska or stationed before, and now we just kind of 29 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:57.199 do our thing. We've got chickens, a garden, just trying to provide 30 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:01.680 for ourselves and live a subsistence lifestyle the best we can. That's so good 31 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.439 to hear. And there's so many other people starting to do that as well. 32 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.840 You know, the government likes to tell us there's a food shortage when 33 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:14.159 in reality, it's it's a grocery store shortage. It's a supply chain shortage. 34 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:16.719 There's plenty of food everywhere. It's just that people choose. And listen, 35 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:20.520 there's some people, you know, I'm not. You know, for 36 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.759 many years we didn't really grow much, and we're just at the point where 37 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:24.800 we can do so as well. But at the end of the day, 38 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.199 it's not a food shortage. It's it's certainly just a supply chain issue. 39 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:32.039 It's a grocery store issue. People can grow their food. And I'm so 40 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:36.960 happy to hear that you you're doing that is well. But you, I 41 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:38.639 guess you have a little more challenge. What do you do for the winter 42 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:42.560 time with your chickens up there in Alaska? Do you have like a heated 43 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:50.039 coop for them? So there's a guy up in Fairbanks that makes insulated coups. 44 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.719 So this will be our first, our first winter with them, so 45 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.680 we're going to be experimenting some different things. I've got some friends that they 46 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:06.680 just leave him in the coop ball winner and from the chicken poop and the 47 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:13.560 straw and hemp betting and whatever and slates it well enough and they winter over 48 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:19.639 just fine. That's great. How many chickens do you have? We wanted 49 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:26.120 eight, so we got ten, and I guess we just did it too 50 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.639 good. We still have that's awesome. Yeah, that's that's really good. 51 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.639 That's great. So you know, in however many months, once they get 52 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.720 going, you'll you'll definitely get six or seven eggs every day and it's quite 53 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.839 a blessing and it's so exciting when you get that first egg too, it's 54 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:46.279 like, yes, I did it before we get started into the flat Earth. 55 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.639 I do have to ask you because I retired in twenty fifteen, so 56 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.879 by the time twenty twenty kicked off, many of my friends had already retired 57 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:57.120 or left the army as well. And you did leave literally like two weeks 58 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.920 before this whole thing kicked off. So I'm sure you all had friends that 59 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.199 were in. What was it like for them navigating through this and the forced 60 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:12.160 vaccinations? Do you have any stories like that to share? Most of what 61 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.000 I heard was it just I mean, it just gotten nuts because I finished 62 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:24.439 out my career in Recruiting Command and they had people still trying to put people 63 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:31.800 in the army remotely, and I mean recruiting Command is its own animal but 64 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:36.240 it just just got crazy. Like I heard, they weren't even doing pet 65 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.120 tests for like two years, so they weren't flagging people for failed apfts and 66 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:48.240 people just standing at home. It was I can imagine it was a very 67 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.879 very weird time to be in the military. Yeah, I couldn't imagine. 68 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.560 You know, all the years I was in it was you know, six 69 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.920 thirty pt nine o'clock first call, and it was hands on all day, 70 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.240 especially back when I was you know, a fifty one Bravo, when I 71 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:10.759 was doing an engineer And for the Army to go like that, like much 72 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:13.720 of the world did, it was very interesting. I have always said I 73 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.319 really had a special place in my heart for the guys who were like I 74 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.680 mean, I had a special place in my heart for all of them. 75 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.879 But you know, many of the people who were fifteen plus years closening on 76 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:29.079 retirement and had to make a decision between the vaccine and that pension check, 77 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:30.839 which for those who don't know, in the military, it starts right after 78 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.839 you retire. You don't wait till your sixty two or sixty five. It 79 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:39.399 kicks right in. And I really feel bad for the people that had to 80 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:46.800 make that decision. Yeah, my son was telling me at Fort Benning he's 81 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.439 an officer, but there was a guy that he was going to his armor 82 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:56.040 bullet class with who is just now getting ready to leave after a year and 83 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.560 a half because he refused the vaccine and so he just been sitting there and 84 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.519 hold over status. Still got promoted to first lieutenant, but just not going 85 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.800 anywhere because he's like, no, I'm not going to take the vaccine. 86 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:15.839 Wow. But but he's now he's going to Riley, right, Yeah, 87 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:17.240 I'm not sure that I think this other guy is going to Riley too. 88 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.480 I think, Okay, well that's good to hear. There's you know, 89 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.959 I wouldn't judge anybody. That's a tough decision to make you put that much 90 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.439 time and effort in that close to your pension. You have a family. 91 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:33.160 It's a shame that this government put people in that decision. Let's talk about 92 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.920 flat Earth. You were born and raised Christian and you say you've remained in 93 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:43.000 the church your entire life. Talk to us about your journey to flat Earth. 94 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:51.079 Yeah, so at all it all kind of happened simultaneously or really close 95 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:59.560 in proximity to changing. I guess church bodies, you could say that that 96 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.839 happened. First, we were stationed in Florida at the time, and we're 97 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:09.439 trying to find a I was raised to Assemblies of God, the hand raising, 98 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:15.120 speaking in tongues, jumping up and down, fire and brimstone kind of 99 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.800 stuff, and so we were trying to find a church in Florida, and 100 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.959 we kept trying different ones, but I'm like, nothing seems right, and 101 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.439 like these these people are just kind of crazy. And at the same time, 102 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.399 we couldn't find a school, a public school for our kids, so 103 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:35.559 we sent them to a private Christian school of Lutherans school. I hate that 104 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.720 I have to do this, but I do have to explain the delineation between 105 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:46.399 Lutherans. You have the far left wing, woke Lutherans at Ordain, gay 106 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.240 clergy, and trans then you have what are called confessional Lutherans, which are 107 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:58.120 the conservative we believe what the Bible says Lutherans and so that's the kind we 108 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.960 are. So we sent the kids to school there, and since we couldn't 109 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.840 find a church, we were like, oh, let's try going here. 110 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.960 But I was like, I don't know what these Lutherans believe. If I'm 111 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:15.240 going to go here. And so that ended up with many many long nights 112 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:20.039 in my Bible, reading the Lutheran's Confession of Faith and looking being like, 113 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.039 well, yeah, that's what the Bible says, but that's not what I 114 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:28.200 was told I said. So, long story short, I had to reconcile 115 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.159 if I was gonna believe my Bible for what it ceter for, I was 116 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.960 going to believe it says what somebody's telling me it says, but it clearly 117 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:41.000 doesn't say that. So ended up becoming a Lutheran. And then a short 118 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:48.159 while later I was I say, I literally tripped and fell into flat Earth. 119 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.240 I hadn't really been down any other conspiracy roads before, but I remember 120 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:01.039 it was a hollow earth video about Admiral Bird and I was like, okay, 121 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.879 yeah, whatever, I'll watch it. I watched it, and then 122 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.159 like the next video that came up was a flat earth video and I think 123 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.120 it was one of Rob Skeeba's and it kind of appealed to me because he 124 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.159 was using the Bible, and I'm like, okay, I'll watch this, 125 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:20.840 and then it just turned into video after video looking at my Bible and I'm 126 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.960 like, holy crap, that's literally what it says. Yeah, and it's 127 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.960 it's funny. There's so many things we can correlate in our life, whether 128 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:35.879 it be covid or or the heliocentrism where basically we go back after all of 129 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.200 that and waking up, we look at our Bible and just right there in 130 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.480 the first chapter of Genesis, and we're like, man, how did we 131 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.840 miss this and why do we continue to allow man to deceive us? Yeah? 132 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:54.440 Actually at all In the way I asked people about it is and I 133 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.600 think I picked it up from Rob Skeeba. It was do you believe it? 134 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:03.919 You're by says do you believe the Bible is literal except where it tells 135 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.600 you it's metaphorical, And the Bible usually tells us where it's metaphorical. We'll 136 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:16.480 say X is as this or something is like this, and it's clearly telling 137 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.759 us, okay, this is a metaphor to get us to understand this thing. 138 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.039 But the Bible, like Genesis, doesn't say it was like it said 139 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:31.960 God, kid, that's interesting. I'm sorry, go ahead said that last 140 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.679 one. I stepped on you. Oh it says it says God plays stay 141 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:43.759 firmament. That's right. Hung the sun he hung the moon. Yeah, 142 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.399 there's nothing mellog worical or metaphorical about it. That's right. You had mentioned 143 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.519 that you fell into flat earth in twenty seventeen and you still had three years 144 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.600 left in the military. I know how the mind frame I was in for 145 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.799 about two weeks after discovering flat Earth. How was that experience for you? 146 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.320 Oh? Man, there was Um, we had a we had a pool 147 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:13.519 at our house, and I can't tell you how many nights I was pacing 148 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:20.559 around the pool thinking about it, UM, talking to my sister and my 149 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:28.759 parents about it, and it was. It was. It was a good 150 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:33.679 couple of weeks of just like wow, like I can't believe this, but 151 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.759 I have to. I'm going to call myself a Christian, a Bible believing 152 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.799 Christian, I kind of have to. I agree one hundred percent, and 153 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.080 I believe. In your email you had mentioned that your sister is mostly awake, 154 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.559 and where is she from from one to one hundred hundred being a flat 155 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:56.399 earth or zero to be in a glober And where's she at now? I 156 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:05.879 would probably say she's somewhere between sixty and seventy's. She's definitely accepted that you 157 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.879 can't walk away from scripture and not at a minimum think that it's geocentric. 158 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:18.519 That's good, that's interesting, and you know what's really interesting to me? 159 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.200 I had assumed that most people's experiences were like mine, that they were rabbit 160 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:28.799 you know, people that chase the rabbit holes and were into conspiracy theories. 161 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:35.039 And then eventually, you know, whether it be YouTube or rumble or bit 162 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.000 shoots, a matter of time before you come across one of the videos, 163 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.840 and maybe you're out of videos to watch, so you watch one, or 164 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.360 you get an email from somebody and you say, I'll check it out, 165 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.519 and then it's it's history from there. But I'm I've talked to so many 166 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:54.120 people where flat Earth was the first rabbit hole, and it kind of blows 167 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.519 me away. I kind of wish that was my first rabbit hole because I 168 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.000 think it would help me accept a lot of the other flat or I'm sorry, 169 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.200 a lot of the other rabbit holes much more easier, because I think 170 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.960 this is the granddaddy of the mall. What are your thoughts on that. 171 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.240 I mean, it definitely is. I mean it's if they can, if 172 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.600 they're able to pull it off and get us to believe all this, then 173 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.399 I mean, what what can't they do? I mean, if you can 174 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:31.399 ide our very cosmology and creation, I think the skies the limit. And 175 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.039 I wasn't. I wasn't. I would say I was. I've always been 176 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.799 kind of skeptical, and like we were talking about before we came on, 177 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.360 when I was in Afghanistan in two thousand and six and two thousand and seven, 178 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.759 I was kind of when I'd say, I started to wake up a 179 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.600 little bit, because I mean, we ran into the camel herders and way 180 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.240 out in the mountains, and these these people are as free as it could 181 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:03.679 possibly believe, and we're trying to get them to understand our version of freedom, 182 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.519 and we're arrogant enough to think that that's what they want when I mean 183 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.399 they're just living their life, raising their families, hurting their camels. You 184 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:18.120 know, nobody's bothering them except we're bothering them. But I kind of came 185 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:24.759 away from that with a different perspective there. And I mean I remember I 186 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:30.159 was stationed in Germany when nine to eleven happened, and I distinctly remember watching 187 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.519 watching the towers fall on TV and thinking to myself, that looks just like 188 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:41.240 a controlled demolition. That's crazy. But the thought never crossed my mind that 189 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.399 we did it to ourselves until years later, when I guess I had time 190 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:52.759 to actually think about it. So you kind of fell into flat earth in 191 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.080 twenty seventeen. You had three years left to your retirement at that point is 192 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.919 did you still kind of stop there with the rabbit holes and wait till your 193 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.039 tired to go down other ones? Or did you start to look at other 194 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.039 things? I kind of I kind of tabled flat earth for a little bit, 195 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.240 And I mean it was always there, and I was always watching it 196 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:17.120 and kind of keeping to myself. I had some some buddies. One of 197 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.799 them was a he's a black Hawk pilot now, but he was a crew 198 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:27.720 chief and I remember we were driving up to our company headquarters for something and 199 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:36.639 I asked him about like, like how complaints can fly at level and they 200 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.639 don't fly off into space right and they're flying like have you ever thought about 201 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.840 that? And they're like gravity holds them down. I'm like, but how 202 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:52.840 do they like gravity just knows to hold the plane at thirty five thousand feet 203 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:59.240 keep going around the curve, Like are you a flat Earth? I'm like, 204 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:00.639 I'm just asking guys, I'm like, I'm just trying to figure this 205 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.919 out. Like I was thinking about, it doesn't make sense to me. 206 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:10.319 And then when you think about gyroscopes and how if you understand how a gyroscope 207 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:17.440 works, have you ever looked into that absolutely that that goes right against their 208 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.480 answer, And then you can retort with, well, then if if it's 209 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:26.680 gravity, why isn't the pilot constantly fighting and pulling the plane back up right? 210 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.519 How does how does gravity know to keep that plane at exactly thirty five 211 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:37.480 thousand feet? Because I think I think somebody did the math, and the 212 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:45.559 plane has to be basically being a constant state of descent. If thirth is 213 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.359 a ball, then it's got to drop it something like a mile or two 214 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:55.680 miles every minute precisely. And we definitely feel that. You feel when the 215 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.799 plane adjust it's outtitude down, even if it's just a couple thousand feet, 216 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:10.240 But we don't never feel that. No planes leaving Seattle and it's flying to 217 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:18.640 Orlando in it, the pilot cages the gyroscope with level to the runway in 218 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.759 Seattle, and then as they go up, the gyroscope kind of rotates back, 219 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.599 showing them the attitude of the aircraft and they level back out. But 220 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.480 if you're flying over the curve to Orlando, that gyroscope is going to be 221 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.960 in a completely different position in Orlando because the level is supposedly different there, 222 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:41.880 but it's not. That's right. And then again, these are the questions 223 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.519 if you ask, that's the first thing. Are you a flat earther? 224 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.039 And you just got to say no, I'm just someone who questions everything. 225 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.880 And obviously we've been lied to about so much. And this one, you 226 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.759 know, many of the other rabbit holes nine to eleven, et cetera, 227 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:02.559 they have a lot of nefarious things behind them, whether it be the Patriot 228 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:08.079 Act or being able to go into other countries and take their resources. But 229 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:11.799 this one is a big one. This one hides God. This one supports 230 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:18.279 evolution, It supports the Big Bang theory. The Gatekeeper Joe Rogan tweeted this 231 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.200 weekend that new science report came out to say that they found the Earth is 232 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:27.279 actually twice as old as formerly believed, almost three billion years old. And 233 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.079 again this goes back to you know, if the people need a hero, 234 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:38.160 we will provide them with one. Right. Yeah, it's and it's like 235 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.920 my I was talking to my mom about it when I mean, I haven't 236 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:48.960 brought it up with them for a while, but after I first learned about 237 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.880 it, my Mom's like, well, what does it matter? And I'm 238 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.279 like, well, I'm like, if if I can get everybody to believe 239 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.480 that they're on a little ball rotating a thousand miles an hour rotate getting around 240 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.279 the Sun it was sixty six thousand, six hundred miles an hour, which 241 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:11.079 is spinning around inside our galaxy it lord knows how much hurling through an ever 242 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:18.720 expanding space, then you know your existence is pretty miniscule. I mean, 243 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.920 like they tell us, like, we're just here by chance. It doesn't 244 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:29.319 your existence doesn't matter. But if we're on a flat plane with a firmament 245 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:37.440 that God created for us and he's literally right there, imagine what that understanding 246 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:44.680 would do for people's mental health for everything. I mean, mental health and 247 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:49.519 depression is just like the big one to me. You know, that really 248 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.720 resonated me when you said that, because you know, being in the profession 249 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.680 that you and I were both in suicide is you know, twenty two twenty 250 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.039 three a day, so they say, And I think that would make a 251 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.119 huge difference. And that's the that's the answer or the question we get all 252 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.200 the time. Why does it matter. I still have to get up and 253 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.599 go to work, do this, do that. But it changes everything. 254 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:17.319 It changes your perspective. Um you realize that. My thing is you know 255 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.720 that this everything is given to us from God, not by man, not 256 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.440 by the United States government, not by the state of Delaware, not by 257 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:29.480 the state of Alaska. This is all given to us by God. Absolutely, 258 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.839 and and he's literally literally right there. You can look out your window 259 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:40.359 look up, because that's the other thing. It's like we whenever anybody refers 260 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.839 to Heaven, we refer to up. I mean that that that direction only 261 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.079 works on a flat plane because I'm pointing up from where I'm at. That's 262 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.519 a different up from where you're at. That's right. Does that mean the 263 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:59.400 Christians in Australia are actually looking into into hell when they look when they look 264 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.519 up, they're looking down right? Or then you have to then add with 265 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:11.240 other stuff to scripture that's not there and start talking about inter ahead of it 266 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.559 is another dimension. But the Bible doesn't tell us that says it's right up 267 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:22.480 there. Let's say it's another dimension. Two things. I know. I 268 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:27.880 mentioned one on a podcast to this past Monday as we're recording now, But 269 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.160 the first one I wanted to mention is and it's funny, not funny, 270 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.640 ha ha. But you had mentioned that year Lutheran and just how important the 271 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:44.079 Reformation was to Protestants. But now, in retrospect that I'm a flat earther, 272 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:51.680 I do realize how important he was to geocentric or biblical cosmology. Let's 273 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:59.200 say leave it like that. M yeah, I mean after you, after 274 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:00.599 you had brought it up. It was a few weeks ago, I went 275 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:08.400 and looked it up because understanding the Because I'm prior to becoming a Lutheran, 276 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:15.559 I never paid much attention to Martin Luther other than okay, he you know, 277 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:22.000 he's the guy that kicked off the Reformation that ultimately separated us from the 278 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:29.559 papacy, the pope, and the Roman Catholic Church. But there were there 279 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:34.400 were performers before him who were trying to do what he did, but it 280 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:41.039 never took off because it didn't happen in the setting that Martin Luther was able 281 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:47.039 to do it in because he was a university professor, he was a doctor 282 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:52.640 of theology, and a university. The Reformation movement took off as an academic 283 00:23:53.440 --> 00:24:00.359 in an academic setting, so he was literally in a university teaching a spying 284 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.319 priests the things that he was teaching and talking to him about. So it 285 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:10.880 was really hard for the pope to crush it. And because of that, 286 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.640 much of much of what he talked about, even even his conversations at dinner 287 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:22.920 time were recorded, which is where the conversation about Copernicus happened. It was 288 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.000 around the dinner table, I believe, and somebody had presented and like, 289 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:32.039 all have you heard about you know, this new new model that Copernicus is 290 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:36.119 pushing, and Luther said somebody effective it was a you know, that's that's 291 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.240 coming straight from Satan. He's going to stick with what the Bible says. 292 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:47.960 Yeah, that is spot on. And I think that was between fifteen thirty 293 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:53.039 and fifteen thirty two. I think one of the other reasons that Martin Luther 294 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.160 was able to succeed was because of the printing press came about and he was 295 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.799 able to, you know, between the nine five theses, and it was 296 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.559 a lot easier to spread his word versus trying to get everybody to gather in 297 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.160 the town center or in the tavern, or in the church. He was 298 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.319 able to spread the word that way, and I do think it helped, 299 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:12.759 even though I think at that time there were still a lot of people who 300 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:17.519 couldn't read. But I think that had a big part of his success. 301 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.720 Yeah, it did. And what was I going to say is say something 302 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:30.559 else about it? Oh, it was interesting, like when you really get 303 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:37.640 to know the story, he initially wasn't trying to break off like it's kind 304 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:44.640 of funny because he he truly didn't believe the Pope knew the atrocities that were 305 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:51.440 going on, and so he was summoned to to go meet with a cardinal 306 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.319 and he thought he was going to meet with the cardinal to relate to the 307 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.559 Pope what was going on, but instead they took him there and wanted him 308 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.279 to recant, and he wouldn't do it. And then that's when I need 309 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:10.119 up having the papal bull, which was basically a hit from the Pope put 310 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.559 out on him, and then everything else that we know from history happened. 311 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.640 But it was just funny that he didn't think the Pope knew what was going 312 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.960 on. He thought the Pope was going to thank him for bringing these things 313 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.240 to his attention. Yeah, that didn't work out. And that lends to 314 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.079 the question I asked you today, what kind of influence do you think the 315 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.720 Pope and the Vatican has on the world affairs today? Oh, it's I 316 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:41.160 think it's far more than we we think or would probably like to know. 317 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.720 I mean, it's just why are all the observatories almost all of them owned 318 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:52.119 by the Vatican, and why are they named Lucifer? Yeah? Like what 319 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:57.880 interest does the Vatican have in astronomy? Like, that's not the Church's job. 320 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.640 No, no, not whatsoever. Um are you are you currently involved 321 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.200 in the church? Yeah, yeah, I am. Have you had the 322 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.599 I don't remember. We've had a lot of conversations, But have you have 323 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:17.519 you had the opportunity to chat with anyone in your church or or your preacher 324 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:25.039 pastor in regards to this the biblical cosmology. I kind of keep it selected 325 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:26.720 to who I bring it up to, who who I think is going to 326 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.960 be open to hearing it. I I think my pastor knows. I mentioned 327 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:40.279 it to him and he's he's a big Star Wars fanboy, and he was 328 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.039 like, well, yeah, I mean that's that's what our senses tell us 329 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.559 tell us that it's flat, but we know that's not the case. I'm 330 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.519 like, okay, I'm not going to go much further with this. Sin 331 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.839 Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way I can. I can generally get 332 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.559 a receptor on people, and if I can't, I'll float something out. 333 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.720 And like you said, when when you get an answer like that, you 334 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.279 know, well, now it's not the time. He's definitely not going to 335 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:08.839 be receiving this well, which again is disappointing because once again, the Bible's 336 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:14.319 pretty clear about how the Earth is and the firmament is a big key. 337 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.720 I will say there was another example today. You know, we talk about 338 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.359 the King James version versus many of the other versions that are out there. 339 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:34.400 There's actually versus entire verses that are missing from other like the NIV Matthew eighteen 340 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:40.680 eleven is completely missing and eighteen eleven, and the King James version says for 341 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.960 the Son of Man has come to save that which is lost. So it's 342 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.519 very interesting. And I've talked to my local pastor because he uses I think 343 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.319 something called the ESV, and I've tried to say and this is just my 344 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.880 opinion, you know, I'm not preaching to anyone. It's just my firm 345 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:03.920 belief that I've like yourself, we've been in situations where we've had to have 346 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:08.640 something translated, and you understand, UM, sometimes things are lost in translation. 347 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:15.160 The person doing the translation may have, UM, what am I looking 348 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.640 for you here? Here? Yeah? Exactly? So what are your thoughts 349 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:26.119 on that? Yeah? My my understanding of why, um, why those 350 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.480 verses aren't there? When I when I researched it, it came down to, 351 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:38.039 UM, the number of of original manuscripts that that they had that they 352 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.480 were working off of that the majority of those manuscripts didn't have those verses in 353 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:47.920 them for one reason or another. Um. So when they so, I 354 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.519 guess they printed like the NIV, they didn't put them in there. Um. 355 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.480 I prefer not to use the NIV. I use the the ESVD for 356 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.079 mine, which I was looking at it today. It was interesting. I 357 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.640 was reading going back and reading Genesis. I think it was one six where 358 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.079 it talks about the firmament and it uses the word of expanse. But then 359 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:17.240 in the study notes it it talks about what the Hebrew belief was and it 360 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:26.519 says the original Hebrew word was rakia, which which denotes like something hard and 361 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.960 hammered out. So I mean it was I was appreciative to be able to 362 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.480 see that it said that in there, rather than just kind of glossing over 363 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.519 and moving on, because I mean, if you're really studying, that's what 364 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.400 you're gonna do. You're gonna go and read that and like, Okay, 365 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.200 well let me dig into this more and figure out what it means. And 366 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.079 I like to go through and bring up on the computer the whatever translation I'm 367 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.480 using, and then whatever the original text was in and then try to figure 368 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.480 out what that what that word's talking about. Yeah, that's actually a really 369 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:03.759 great description whatever bibbly have there. That's that's right on. Um. You 370 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.000 know, I posted your picture in the forum today on the flat earth files 371 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:12.000 dot com. Yeah, six days ago you sent us um you had taken 372 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.359 off from Seattle, you were headed to Georgia a couple of weeks ago. 373 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:22.319 And it's such an incredible picture. I mean, the plane, the horizon 374 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.920 is completely level with the exception of um, what what was that? That 375 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.960 was Mount Rainier right, Mount Rainier in the foreground, and then Mount Saint 376 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.319 Helen's off in the distance, which I think it was like one hundred miles 377 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.279 away. Yeah, that's incredible and you can certainly see Mount Saint Helen's and 378 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.119 um the flat horizon. I stared and looked at it for like ten minutes. 379 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.960 Today it's at number one. It's just a great picture. I really 380 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.160 love that part. I spent some time up there in Tacoma and I saw 381 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:55.319 a Mount Rainier when my buddy retired a couple of years ago out of JA 382 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.200 was at Lewis. I think it's called JBLM now, but just tremendous picture. 383 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:06.000 And if you guys haven't gone to the Flat Earth files dot com, 384 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.920 go to show notes for July seventeenth and you'll see the picture that. It's 385 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.119 just an incredible picture and it really shows Number one. We can see too 386 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.480 for because the math or see too far. Excuse me. The math says 387 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.960 the horizon from your vantage point at a thousand feet should be thirty seven miles 388 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:31.640 away, and that was well past that. Yeah, based on how how 389 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:35.960 the ground looked, I was guessing that was about a thousand feet. I 390 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.119 mean, even if even it's off by a little bit, you can still 391 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:44.599 clearly see too far. I mean you're looking one hundred miles away and then 392 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:51.319 some and you know, not even including the math. The horizon in that 393 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:57.920 picture is I mean, you can see forever and the horizon is straight across. 394 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.119 There's no curvature. Again, we can only see too far because of 395 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:08.759 the visibility and pardon me, the atmosphere, etc. But like you said, 396 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.039 that's that's one hundred miles and that's just it's just to me, it's 397 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:20.640 an unbelievable picture. It's great. Yeah, and we I mean people look 398 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.839 at that and like, oh wow, that's a cool picture. I think 399 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.240 I showed somebody at work and I'm like, yeah, I'm that crazy. 400 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.000 How far we can see? Like I think about Saint Hell should behind the 401 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:35.960 curve a little bit. Hm, that's cool, that's all you got. 402 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:42.079 Huh, that's cool. Uh yeah, that that is a very difficult thing. 403 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.240 We've talked about it many times, and I don't know if you've I 404 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.720 know you said you've talked to your sister, and I think you've mentioned it 405 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:54.200 to your mom um. Number one, how many folks have you I guess, 406 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.319 what's your what's your ratio? How many people have you talked to? 407 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.359 How many people have bought in? And then have you found Is it just 408 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.720 a matter of the person being receptive or is there a certain delivery or a 409 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:12.199 certain piece of evidence that helps you introduce the flat Earth to people. Um, 410 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.480 A lot of it, I think is it has to be the mindset 411 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:22.199 of where the person's at. Like my sister was already pretty conspiracy minded. 412 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:34.800 My buddy at work that is I'm working on, he's already kind of doesn't 413 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:39.280 trust government. An he's a Christian, so that helps too. When I 414 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.719 was in Kansas recently, I was talking with a buddy of mine. I 415 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.840 haven't seen him in ten years, and I thought I would would drop it 416 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:54.719 on him because he's he's a solid Bible believing guy. But as as we 417 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.159 talked for probably an hour about it, you can see just how how deep 418 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.880 the programming goes, because like I was describing it to him, like the 419 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.679 plane and the dome, and he's like, and he literally asked me, 420 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.000 He's like, so it's okay if we're on a plane covered by a dome. 421 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.920 It's like, what about the rest of the planets in the Solar System 422 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.519 they're all spheres. I'm like, you're missing it, man, I'm like, 423 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.280 we're not in There is no solar system, like this is it. 424 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.000 I'm like, God's literally up there. Like the Bible tells us the stars 425 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.480 and the wandering stars are placed inside the firmament, they're not. There's nothing. 426 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.880 There's no solar system, no space beyond the fermament. It's not there 427 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:46.800 that beyond the Fermament's heaven, and it was He agreed to look into it 428 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:53.079 when we're when we were done. But I mean, it's it's such a 429 00:35:53.599 --> 00:36:00.719 multi faceted thing to to have to comprehend. I mean you can't just I 430 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.639 mean you could just go with the Bible, but I mean NASA that plays 431 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.360 a major role into it. You have to understand that everything NASA is putting 432 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.840 out as a lie. I mean that that was the moon landing was the 433 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.000 second one, So flat Earth was the first one, and then for me, 434 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:27.440 the moon landing came and that was easy to throw out. That was 435 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.079 literally the conversation I had with my sister. I'm like, I'm not sure 436 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.119 we actually went to the moon, and I think the Earth is flat. 437 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.960 In fact, I know we didn't go to the moon. I'm pretty sure 438 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:44.920 the Earth is flat. Yeah, that's uh, it's an easy, easier 439 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.599 one to debunk for sure, but I think some people are too quick to 440 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.000 issue it like, well, they faked the moon landing, but there's no 441 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.519 way the earth is flat. Um. You know, once someone lies to 442 00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.599 you, you have to you have to literally quite and everything. It's the 443 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.000 only fair thing to do. And the next thing I want to mention to 444 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.880 you is you're someone who is in the military for a long time, um, 445 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.880 And something that I can speak to is how compartmentalization works. And I 446 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:19.559 think that's how NASA works. Would you agree, Oh yeah, trying to 447 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:29.800 like even and that that that concept actually works really good with with military guys. 448 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.639 Like I had a had a soldier that I was talking to one time, 449 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:38.679 and he was I think he was raised Roman Catholic and he was kind 450 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.400 of leaning more on the atheist side, and I think I explained to him, 451 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.519 I'm like, I'm like no, I'm like, look at him, 452 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.559 like, if you're on the battlefield, you know you've got your battlespace, 453 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.800 you know, think of that like your little your little piece of the map, 454 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.320 Magan, so that's what you see. Like then the commander has the 455 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.039 company's battlespace, so he sees the company portion of the map and the battalion 456 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.000 commander has the battalions battle space and brigade and so on and so forth, 457 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.440 and so as it gets bigger and bigger, those entities see more of what's 458 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.199 really going on. But down on the ground level, the individual people at 459 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.840 whatever level they're working at, they only see what they're supposed to see, 460 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:27.239 and they only know what they're supposed to know. It's one hundred percent. 461 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.880 And you know, we'd got our battalion meetings when we were down range. 462 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.559 The S one they're living in their little bubble all day. They'd give their 463 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.000 little reports, who's up to date on of all, you know, vaccines 464 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.920 and things of that PT. The S two would give their little intel report. 465 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.760 They'd be sitting there watching the cameras all day and they'd get their local 466 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.599 intel. The S three would talk about all the operations gone on. The 467 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:54.280 S four would give you know, the log updates and when the next resupply 468 00:38:54.519 --> 00:39:00.440 was coming. Everyone S six gave the COMMO update first. Arden's gave right 469 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.159 the PT. Who's yellow, who's green, who's red? With weapons and 470 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.960 everything, Everyone has their own little piece of the pie. And you know 471 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:15.599 whether depending on how what kind of leadership team you had sometimes you had meetings 472 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.880 weekly. When you're downrange, you had them every day. But everybody just 473 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.000 had their little piece of the pie to focus on. And I imagine that's 474 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:29.400 exactly what goes on in NASA, and very maybe a handful, maybe just 475 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.159 with the number of fingers on your hand, maybe five people actually know what's 476 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.679 going on. And I guarantee you they're either a in a secret society or 477 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:43.519 be they've been corrupted allah Jeffrey Epstein style yep, and they've been paid off 478 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.840 tons of money and to keep quiet about it, because I mean, you 479 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.559 know that, you know, the individual astronauts have to know. Oh sure, 480 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.760 YEA often wondered like what what are they being told? Like it didn't 481 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.199 I wonder if they know why they're faking it. They definitely know they're faking 482 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:06.039 it, But I wonder if they know why they're faking it, why it 483 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.840 has to be this way? You know. I've asked myself that many times. 484 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.079 And I think to the Illuminati and the people who control the earth, 485 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:22.880 they believe Lucifer is the good guy because they freed Adam and Eve. God 486 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.920 had them in this little prism in prison in the garden that they invert everything. 487 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:34.599 And I do believe that these people they're helping humanity because they're told if 488 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.159 they find out that they're in this giant snow globe with no escape, humanity 489 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:44.239 wouldn't be able to handle it. You were actually helping the people on Earth. 490 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.320 I think that's probably how they're delivering it to them. And then they 491 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.800 probably show them a video of Gus Grissom getting burned up. You know, 492 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.199 Oh, by the way, this is what happened to the guy who went 493 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.320 against us, And then they show him the story of the investigator who found 494 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.679 out about it, how they killed him and his life and his stepdaughter on 495 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.639 the train track. So I think it's a little bit of both. But 496 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.760 I mean, who knows. That's just what I That's what I guess. 497 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:15.280 Yeah, I mean that certainly could be. Eventually we'll find out, we'll 498 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.039 find out in the end. Absolutely we all know how the story ends for 499 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.599 sure, and we will know for end. But yeah, they have to 500 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:27.400 know that, they absolutely have to know. I've heard number everywhere from one 501 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.400 thousand to eight thousand the total number of people on Earth who who actually know 502 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.760 what's going on. And one of the things I can't remember the gentleman I 503 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.760 had on I don't know why his name escapes me, Bart Sabrell And when 504 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.599 he was interviewing a astronaut, and as he was leaving, they rushed him 505 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.840 out so quickly. Bart forgot to take his microphone off one of the astronauts 506 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.400 and his son was standing next to him and it was still rolling, and 507 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.360 the guy said, Hey, do you want me to call the sea and 508 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.559 have them knocked off or something like that? If they really went to the 509 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:12.320 moon. Why would anybody say anything like that? Yeah, definitely. Um, 510 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:20.239 well it's another one. Oh have you ever have you seen the sixteenth 511 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:25.039 century Mercader map and it's depiction of the North Pole. I think we've talked. 512 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.840 What was the name of the map again? How do you spell it? 513 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.280 I think it's the Mercader map? And is this the one I know 514 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:37.679 that one of the maps out there an artica looks green like at one time 515 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.119 it used to be uh, you know, walkable. But I mean, 516 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.679 who knows. But the Mercader map that was from the mid sixteen hundreds. 517 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.840 Um, where is this the one where an article looks huge? But there's 518 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.760 one The one I'm thinking of is of the North Pole and how it has 519 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.440 how it shows it green and vegetation, and then like four rivers coming out 520 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.679 of where the North Pole would be. Oh yes, yes, yes, 521 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.400 yes, I'm looking at it now. Yeah, it is neat. How 522 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:14.000 Africa looks almost exactly how it looks today, and then North America and South 523 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:22.239 America with the exception of Mexico, looks completely different than it looks today. 524 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:27.480 An Arctica looks much larger. And the North Pole You're right, it's got 525 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.960 it looks like it's got four rivers, but they all kind of have veins 526 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:38.719 coming off. Very interesting. So my thought with that, I like to 527 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:46.119 think about things logically, and if if we're on a flat plain covered by 528 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:52.800 a dome and God created this for us, it seems logical to me that 529 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.320 he would have placed Adam and even the Garden of Eden directly in the center 530 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:12.079 of his creation. That makes complete sense. And h m hm, And 531 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.920 I mean that that the that's where the tigress and euphrates me, right, 532 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:22.440 I wonder what the is that what you're alluding to? Yeah, like it 533 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:29.199 like just speculating that because I clearly have no evidence for it other than just 534 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:36.360 following a logical path. But when we when we build things or when we 535 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:42.159 create something that we we generally start from the middle and work out. And 536 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.639 it seems logical to me that God would have placed the Garden of Eden right 537 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.360 smack dab in the middle of his creation. That's right. That is interesting 538 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.719 and it is a very you know, people when they think of Iraq and 539 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.519 Baghdad, they think, um, you know, desert, desolate, tumble 540 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.519 weeds. But exactly where the tigris and euphrates meat, it is lush, 541 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.320 there's palm trees and it you know, it empties out into the Persian golf 542 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.599 there and it is certainly not like Naseria and some of the other places we 543 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.159 were in. That was moon dust and with sand and desolate. That was 544 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.320 a very beautiful part of the world. Did you ever spend time in Baghdad? 545 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.280 Oh yeah, yeah, I did fifteen months in Baghdad. So I 546 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.480 was on Camp Justice, okay, which is where Saddam was humming, yep. 547 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:44.039 And it was a little sidebar. But directly outside the gate there's a 548 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.239 shrine. It's in the maybe you bring it up on Google Earth. You 549 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.840 can just look up Katamiya and right aside the gate and there's a shrine in 550 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.760 so I was. I was there and in two thousand and seven and eight 551 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:07.360 came back for a year, went back to the same camp the next deployment, 552 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.119 and both both times I was there, I witnessed this and like I 553 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.440 so, as you're walking towards the gate at night, the shrines right there, 554 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.800 and I would see At first I thought they were flares, but it 555 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.800 was like a red ball, and they would slowly come down and go into 556 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:30.800 the shrine area, and they would come back up and take off towards the 557 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:37.400 left. I think that would be towards the south. And I watched this 558 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.159 many nights, and nobody could tell me what they were. I got with 559 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.440 our guys with the big blimp in the eye and the sky to see if 560 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.199 they were seeing anything. They couldn't see it on any of their cameras. 561 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.400 I got video of it somewhere. I grabbed some of our locals, our 562 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.719 interpreters when I was seeing them be like, hey, I'm like, look 563 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.679 at that. What is that? They're like, I don't know, I've 564 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:05.400 never seen that before. I'm like, how am I hear from my second 565 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.440 deployment and I'm seeing it again and nobody else is seeing this, And like 566 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.159 I don't. I don't know if there were you a few of foes or 567 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.559 what. But it was just interesting that these red lights would come down out 568 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:22.039 of the sky into that shrine and then come back up and go off in 569 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:29.559 the other direction. Yeah. That and kind of me that that's one of 570 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:35.719 the oldest towns in Iraq, which I mean, it goes back a long 571 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.119 long time. I don't do you know how old some of those shrines are. 572 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:45.199 Did they go back to like the seventh and eighth centuries? Possibly? 573 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.599 I don't know. I never looked into it. Let me let me google 574 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.599 that shrine real quick. Yeah, it's amazing seeing those palaces for I'm sure 575 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.599 you felt the same way when you saw because I think said, I'm had 576 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.320 what five palaces throughout the country, and to walk in them and see the 577 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:04.000 chairs, the aisles, and the time and effort and what it took to 578 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.679 put in these places, they're just, for lack of a better words, 579 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.199 they were majestic. I mean, they were incredible things to look at. 580 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.039 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot of money put into some of 581 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:21.199 those places. It's funny. I remember crossing the Bermu from Kawait and Iraq 582 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.840 and there was people literally living in mud huts with with like straw and mud 583 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.599 together, and kids barely have any clothes on. And then you roll and 584 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:37.039 you see these mosques and the you know, his his palaces. It's just, 585 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.199 oh, my goodness, gracious. But like you said, these people, 586 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.719 um, by the way, that mosque, the academy at mosque I 587 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:54.480 think is on thirty three degrees latitude north. Oh. Of course that didn't 588 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:59.239 tell me anything up front right now on it, but it's yeah, it 589 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.880 was really interesting because I used to and I mean just because he become a 590 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.960 flat Earth, it doesn't mean he still can't enjoy like sci fi stuff. 591 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.440 He said, you just watch it for what it is. Yeah, you 592 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:16.119 watch it's entertainment. Because I used to watch the ancient alien stuff all the 593 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:21.760 time, and I never I never really agree with them. I always was 594 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.639 of the mindset of, okay, whatever, whatever these things are to me, 595 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:31.119 their demonic. Like my buddy worked at retired this year. He like 596 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:39.039 he's all all into UFOs and interdimensional stuff, and and he knows I'm a 597 00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.480 flat Earth and he's like, well, what do you what do you think 598 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.639 about that? As a Christian? I'm like, like, I think there's 599 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.760 stuff flying around. I just I just think it's demonic. I don't think 600 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:57.320 it's anybody from another planet. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. 601 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:00.679 I think a lot of it is demonic. And um, whether or 602 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.920 not? What what are your thoughts on Antarctica? And do you think there's 603 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:09.440 a chance that there's land beyond the ice wall or do you think there's maybe 604 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:15.320 continents? You know that there's that huge expanse in the Pacific Ocean where maybe 605 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:22.840 there is actually another continent over there. For me, the jury still out. 606 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.199 I mean I read the Iron Republic. M I thought that thought that 607 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:36.079 was interesting. Um, I just don't I just don't see how our sun, 608 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:43.519 which I mean it's possible it could shine beyond the ice wall and there 609 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:52.159 certainly could be could be a continent's out. I mean the I mean, 610 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.960 if you look at the generally accepted flat Earth, the map the Pacific Ocean 611 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:01.599 is gigantic. Absolutely, I mean there could be stuff out there that remains 612 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:07.360 hidden from us. When I tell people, I asked him like, do 613 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.880 you know how many miles Captain Cook log circum navigating an Arctica? And I 614 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.519 tell him it was What was it like sixty thousand miles? Yeah, yeah, 615 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.400 And I'm like, you know what the circumference of the Earth is at 616 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.880 the equator? Like, well, twenty five thousand. I'm like yeah, 617 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.239 Like, so how did he log sixty thousand miles trying to circum navigate an 618 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:34.480 artica? Yeah? I think should have been probably like fifteen thousand. Yeah, 619 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:43.840 that's a math problem that cannot be solved. There another piece of evidence 620 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.639 in your face. What are you going to do? Doesn't make sense, 621 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.519 not at all. I wanted to ask you. I mean, you've retired 622 00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:57.039 and you're doing your thing now, but how do you reflect upon your service? 623 00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.280 I mean we all knew that, you know, we always jokes, 624 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.920 we'd send kids about Uncle Sam and things of that nature. But now, 625 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:09.599 knowing what you know and knowing what I know, I'm trying to think the 626 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:15.000 best way to ask this question. How do you go about your day? 627 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:22.400 What does patriotism mean to you? And where does Christianity do you? Kind 628 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.360 of see where I'm getting at. I'm really doing a terrible job asking this 629 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.800 question. Like, to me, I'm a patriot, but I don't trust 630 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:35.280 my government. I'm all about preserving this place for my children and grandchildren. 631 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.519 But I don't think as much as I love this country, I do not 632 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.400 think the people who in charge have the best interest of my family in mind. 633 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:49.360 So what do you think about that? So I think kind of remember 634 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.559 how the quote goes, but it's something to the effect of questioning your government 635 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:59.119 is the highest form of patriotism, something that effect. But I mean, 636 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.000 you know as well as I And at the end of the day, when 637 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:07.519 we're over in Iraq and Afghanistan wherever else we're fighting, we're we're fighting for 638 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.639 the guy to our right and left, We're we're not really fighting for our 639 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.559 government. At the end of the day. That that's that's all you got 640 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.519 is a guy you're left and right. If the government can leave you there, 641 00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:28.199 they probably will. Um. And it's I mean, I'm I'm okay 642 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.960 with it. I've made I've made peace with every everything I've been through and 643 00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.880 done. And uh, I think some of this stuff is harder for the 644 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.440 older generation. Like my dad was in Vietnam and I I told my brother 645 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.679 and I'm like, I don't I don't know if Dad knows that what happened 646 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.119 at the Bay of Tonkin was a complete ruse, because I mean, those 647 00:53:52.199 --> 00:54:00.400 guys if you told them that their entire purpose of being in Vietnam was based 648 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:06.719 on a flat out lie. And the guy that orchestrated the lie, his 649 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.199 son is literally writing the music that you're listening to. Yeah, while over 650 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.840 they're getting shot at and killed. How insane is that? I mean, 651 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:21.079 it's like, you can't make that stuff up. I say all the time. 652 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.679 You could take this to a Hollywood director and they'd be like, you're 653 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:30.199 out of your mind. That reality, you know, overlies the truth or 654 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.559 the you know, fiction, and all of these stories we talk about, 655 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.840 you know not you go back to a desert storm that the young lady from 656 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:44.280 Kuwait saying how the children were being tossed out of the incubators. That was 657 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.239 all based on a false premise, And people say, well, you know 658 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.239 it worked out only one hundred and twenty nine people died. But you know 659 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:55.360 what, I challenge anybody to google the fourteenth quartermaster out of the state of 660 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.920 Pennsylvania, who was only in country for six days when they got hit by 661 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.800 Scott and two thirds of their unit. We're completely either dead or maimed. 662 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:13.519 And we were a mile away from where that happened. And all of these 663 00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:17.440 things. There's always someone who gets hurt, and you know, it's just 664 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.559 you know, I put it in my I try to put it in my 665 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.239 rear view mirror, but I still get very angry, you know, mostly 666 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:31.119 because of the people who were harmed over there, and also for all the 667 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:36.119 time that was taken away from me and my family. You know, I'm 668 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.400 thankful that my wife was strong enough to handle being away from each other for 669 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:44.400 all that time, fifty one months in Iraq and six months in the Baltic 670 00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.079 nine months in Kuwait, and all the train you know how you've got to 671 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:52.480 go to JARRETC and TC for thirty days to get the check off that you're 672 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.719 good to go, and the field training. But at the end of the 673 00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.000 day, I, you know, you, I and each and every one 674 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.639 of us, And obviously we fought for ourselves, our buddies on the left 675 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.320 on the right. We took care of our soldiers, made sure they got 676 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.920 home. That was the most important thing, got home in one piece, 677 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:14.199 even though it's really hard to bring a soldiers home in the state of mind 678 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:15.679 it was before they go over there. But we do our best to take 679 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.679 care of them. That's one I think one thing that people who've never been 680 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.000 in the military don't understand is what really taking care of your soldier means. 681 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:30.199 And the other thing I always found very intriguing about the military is you could 682 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.599 meet a guy you know that's your battle buddy, you haven't known him for 683 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:38.719 thirty seconds, and you guys are dependent on each other, your lives are 684 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.639 at stake. You know, you trusted each other, you shake hands and 685 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:49.760 your instant buddies you don't. It's a completely different animal than anything else in 686 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.760 the world. And I think that's what was really special about it in my 687 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.679 heart, the people and the people I met during my twenty four years. 688 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:04.079 Yeah, my wife always I always said it was hard to make friends with 689 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.440 civilians. But you go somewhere and you get stationed there, you know you're 690 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.159 only going to be there for three years. And my wife always said it 691 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.519 was like, Hi, this is me, this is who I am, 692 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.000 this is my dirty laundry. Do you want to be my friend or not? 693 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.719 Because I'm only going to be here for three years. I don't. 694 00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.000 I'm time to get to know you, but I need a friend now. 695 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.480 In the military. Spouse is like, that's that's how they do things on 696 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.679 the civilians side, it's like, oh, well, let me, let 697 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:31.119 me get to know you for a few years, decide if I'm really going 698 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:34.480 to open up to you or not. And she's like, I don't have 699 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.360 that kind of time. I need a friend now. And you know, 700 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:43.280 it's funny you can almost correlate that to people who are kind of I guess 701 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.960 we'll call it awake right. One of the most common emails I get is, 702 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:51.199 you know, ever since I've been awake, I've kind of veered away 703 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.760 from a lot of my friends. They're not interested into my interests now, 704 00:57:54.800 --> 00:58:00.719 which is being awake and flat earth and things of that nature. And I 705 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.719 kind of found myself in the same the same way. I mean, I 706 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:08.079 still have friends, but I'm passionate about these type of things. I mean 707 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:13.559 enough to the point I got a podcast, But yeah, it's my passion. 708 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.280 And to me, as I've gotten older, the truth is everything, 709 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.440 and it's you know, more important than sports, movies, TV. And 710 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.360 I know there's a time and a place for all that stuff. We all 711 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.440 need distractions life as a b as they say, and it's important that you 712 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.760 share time with your family, your friends, and you just can't be twenty 713 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.920 four to seven down the rabbit hole. But at the same time, one 714 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:44.480 thing when you take that red pill and you lose that common interest with friends, 715 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.559 and sometimes that can mean not having as many friends as you used to. 716 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.320 Is that something that you've ran into it all? Not a whole lot. 717 00:58:53.360 --> 00:59:00.400 I mean, is as I've retired and gotten older, eminem still young. 718 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.440 I'm only forty two. No, I'm forty, but you're yeah, 719 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:10.199 I'm forty two. I kind of enjoy just being a homebody now and doing 720 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:17.920 doing my thing, and I've got I've got a few friends close. But 721 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:24.719 I mean the part of the you were talking about being away from your family, 722 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.039 and I don't know if you your experience was the same. It's like, 723 00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:37.280 I think it made our relationship with my wife stronger because we spent so 724 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:43.960 much time away. You're forced to to to use I mean, the times 725 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.960 we were deployed. It was a lot of writing letters in Afghanistan and stuff. 726 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:54.639 But you're forced to write out your feelings and connect emotionally instead of physically, 727 00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:00.840 which really draws you closer together and makes you stronger. Was that your 728 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:07.119 experience A thousand percent? A thousand percent? And I on any given day, 729 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.639 you know we'd go to the chow hall or we'd be back at the 730 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:16.679 chew or and you to find out that somebody's wife left them and they were 731 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:22.119 just miserable, and you know, as bad as my heart bled for them, 732 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:23.920 and to see a guy who was and listen, you, you have 733 01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:29.840 to be of sound mind to be down range because it can cost you your 734 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.480 life. You don't want to be driving down MSR Tampa or Route Irish worried 735 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.000 about what's going on. You have to be focused because it couldn't mean your 736 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:42.280 life. And to see somebody going through that was number one devastating to me. 737 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.960 But it also made me extremely thankful to have my wife by my side 738 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.159 because I knew that she would be there and that was something I didn't have 739 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.199 to worry about and I could focus on my mission. We became. Yeah, 740 01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:59.760 it did make us our relationship stronger than ever. The only thing was, 741 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.760 you know, I was a year on, year off, year on, 742 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.599 year off, year on, year off from three to twelve, and 743 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.079 everything was a countdown. Like when you left, it was you had a 744 01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:12.840 three sixty five calendar to get home, and then when you got home, 745 01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:16.840 you had a three sixty five calendar to leave again. But you you made 746 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:22.239 every moment special and that's what I remember. The trips to Disney or whatever 747 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:28.599 we decided to do after we redeployed during that time off, it was special. 748 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:34.159 And you know, there's something very special about the plane landing. You 749 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.159 know, you get your bags and you go back, and that reception with 750 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:44.960 your family is just there's no other feeling that can describe the first time after 751 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.519 not seeing your loved one for three hundred and sixty five or one case, 752 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:55.360 four hundred and fifty five days. It's just amazing. Yeah, I was 753 01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:02.960 in what I was in Afghanistan. We got extended, and I was we 754 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:09.159 were already back at Bogram and they came and woke me up. He said, 755 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.920 go get your guys. We got to go down and meet the chaplain 756 01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.519 at the at the chapel, Like what what's going on? Is like, 757 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:20.079 we've been extended. I'm like, ah, come on, you're joking with 758 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.079 me. What is a C seventeen waiting for us? Ready to go? 759 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:29.639 He's like, no, we've been extended. We're going back. And I 760 01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.800 remember my wife telling me how she found out. So my two older boys 761 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:38.039 were in. My oldest son was a Tiger Cub and Cub Scouts and they 762 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:45.400 were visiting the news station in Watertown and somebody had leaked out that Tenth Mountain 763 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.079 was being extended for another six months in Afghanistan. And they asked, are 764 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.280 there any four Drum families here and she's like, yeah, I work from 765 01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:59.360 Port Drum and Boom put the camera on her asked her, how do you 766 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.559 feel about the news that your husband's being extended to stay in Afghanistan? And 767 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.960 she she played it off like a pro good army wife, told him that 768 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:12.199 you know, they tell you this upfront, that it could happen, and 769 01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.559 you just had to be prepared for it. Um, everything's gonna be fine. 770 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:20.000 And so when I talked to her, when I finally got to call 771 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.239 her, like, I was worried about her because she's been there with uh 772 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:30.800 that was two thousands, six year old and a four year old, you 773 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.760 know, for the last year. And I went early, so I was 774 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.679 there extra long, and she's worried about me, and I'm worried. I 775 01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:40.920 was worried. I'm like, I'm gonna be fine. I'm worried about you. 776 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.320 She's like, I'm gonna be fine. I'm worried about you. It's 777 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.559 just you know, not many, not many wives could handle that. No 778 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.440 guys back at Fort Drum already they got turned around and sent back. I 779 01:03:53.559 --> 01:04:00.280 remember they did that to the third idea in Iraq that they you got, 780 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.639 those guys were the first one in and you know, things slowed down, 781 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.559 and they you're going home. And they went down to the port and of 782 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.440 course that's when the insurgency started and they said, nope, you're not going 783 01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.199 home, We're bringing you back. I mean, imagine, you know, 784 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.280 driving back down on Tampa into Kuwait, cleaning your equipment, getting ready to 785 01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.159 catch your ride home, and then being told by the way nope, you're 786 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:24.880 going back to Iraq. I mean, just those type of things. You've 787 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:28.960 really got to be mentally strong, mentally tough, and expect the unexpected and 788 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.400 nothing is guaranteed when you're in the army, you know, I miss it. 789 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.639 I well, I missed the camaraderie. I miss the misery, right, 790 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:42.239 some of the things, you know, the burning of when you're out 791 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.480 the middle of nowhere, living in austere environments and things of that nature, 792 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:51.280 you really appreciate the niceties of the things you have back home. When you're 793 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:57.400 living on a cod or you're sleeping in a humbaeding MRIs for a year. 794 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:03.320 So it does make you appreciate the little things a little more. Yeah, 795 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:11.239 have you have you listened to any of cro Triple seven stuff? I have 796 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.639 to be honest with you. That was one of the very first things after 797 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.920 I met David Weiss. That was one of the very first podcasts I've ever 798 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.360 listened to. It was David Weiss and Crow Triple seven. It was like 799 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:29.960 two hours long. And I don't listen to him enough, just because I'm 800 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.239 busy most time actually working on my stuff. I do need. He's awesome. 801 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:40.000 He's tremendous. Shoot the Moon video say that warmer time. Have you 802 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.400 watched his Shoot the Moon video? I think I watched it several years ago. 803 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.840 Like the lunar wave, I guess is what it is. Refresh my 804 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:56.599 memory. So he so he used a really nice, expensive telescope and then 805 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:01.599 puts his camera on it and videos the moon and he's like a couple of 806 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.559 times he's caught it, and somebody else in Houston caught it. But from 807 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:11.719 the bottom of the moon to the top, it looks like a ripple goes 808 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.400 up to the top of the moon and it happens twice, and I thought, 809 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.159 wait for me. In my viewpoint, I thought it was interesting almost 810 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:25.760 like it's the water. Yeah. Absolutely, And if you zoom in on 811 01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.039 like Saturn or an eat the stars, you know what they show you on 812 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.400 the NASA website and what you see through that telescope, it does look like 813 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.199 you're right that it is in water and it's kind of like you said, 814 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.679 reverberating or whatever it is. Yeah, I need to go find is that 815 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.880 on his website or did he actually do a YouTube video on that? You 816 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.599 can find it on YouTube. It's also if you so I just pay the 817 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.920 whatever It is a couple dollars a month to subscribe to his website so I 818 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.639 can get the full two hours on his podcasts. But if you do that, 819 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.880 you also get to watch the whole movie and high definition for free. 820 01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:11.079 Oh there, yeah, okay, I'll put this in the show description as 821 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.199 well. I got it copied and linked. I'll drop that in there, 822 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.199 and I'll drop all his videos so y'all can check that out because he does 823 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.880 a tremendous job. Oh yeah, and the other thing I did that was 824 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:30.760 kind of solidified it for me was when I I saw the I saw something 825 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.360 somebody talking about the moon putting out a cold light, and already had a 826 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:38.599 infrared laser, so I decided I'd wait for a full moon and go out 827 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:40.800 and do it myself. And I did it myself, and sure enough, 828 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:46.880 the moonlight was three to four degrees colder than in the shadows. Isn't that 829 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:53.840 crazy? Like how in heck does that work? Then to find out they've 830 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.159 actually developed cold lasers, I'm like, oh, well, I guess it 831 01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.800 makes sense. There you go. And the Bible says the Sun gives off 832 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.760 of the moon, gives off its own light. And that was another big 833 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:09.280 one for me because I did go back and read Genesis about fifty times during 834 01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:15.279 that two weeks during my We'll call to transformation from somebody who I thought was 835 01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:18.159 awake because you know, bro, I knew the Gulf of Tonk and was 836 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:20.800 I was set up. You know, I thought I was wide awake, 837 01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.359 But you know, you don't really realize that you're awake until again, the 838 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:32.520 grand daddy of them all, flat Earth. It's just it's something, It 839 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:38.800 is absolutely something. And then they tell us all the science has been settled 840 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:45.560 and recently, I started going to the Library of Congress's website and pulling up 841 01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.920 old newspapers because you can go search like what type of document and a year 842 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:56.319 range and go back into the early twentieth century, late nineteenth century, and 843 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:03.000 clearly people were still debating this back then. You know, it's it's funny 844 01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:08.079 that saying the science is settled. We heard that an awful lot the last 845 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:13.399 few years. Didn't we We did trust the science, and that seems that 846 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:15.560 there's a lot of regret. I don't like using the word vaccine regret. 847 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.039 That sounds like I told you so, But I mean, to be honest, 848 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:21.800 there's just a lot of people who feel like they've been duped, and 849 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:28.640 true science is never ending the question. You should never just say that's it. 850 01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:30.520 You know, outside of two plus two is four and water is wet, 851 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:35.760 you should always continue to challenge the narrative. That's science. Yeah, 852 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:44.680 testable and repeatable. Absolutely keep repeating. So far. Every time I get 853 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:46.079 in an airplane, I take a picture of the horizon looks flattened. I 854 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:50.479 can see too far. And the picture that you shared with us on the 855 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:56.439 website today one percent proves that, and it is exciting as it was to 856 01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:00.199 see Mount Raineer and Mount Saint Helen's. I was blown away by the completely 857 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:06.439 level, flat horizon that nobody, and I mean nobody can deny and that 858 01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:14.680 should be an eye opener for everyone. Yeah, so i'd just written down 859 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.560 for a side note, Um, did you have you ever watched the show 860 01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:24.760 The Last of the Last Frontier The Homesteaders down in Homer. I have not 861 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:30.880 watched it, No, I have not. So yeah, there's the Kilture 862 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:38.760 family jewel. Kilchre is actually the one the daughters the singer jewel. But 863 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:45.159 so it was I it was like the summer of twenty twenty we went down 864 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:51.159 there to go tour the homestead. And so I want to be learned the 865 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:56.640 story. So if any of your listeners have ever watched the show, they'll 866 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:01.439 know who I'm talking about. So I found this part really interesting and hearing 867 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:09.199 the story about how they got here, So you'll kilt Your originally homesteaded the 868 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:15.640 homestead down in Homer. And in nineteen thirty six he had he had gotten 869 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:20.479 a bachelor's degree, I think it was in Switzerland, and he was studying 870 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:32.239 the rise and fall of civilizations and he noticed a correlation between whenever. Whenever 871 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.800 societies grow so big and you have a lot of people living close together, 872 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:43.640 eventually a collapse happens. And in nineteen thirty six he was seeing that starting 873 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:49.880 to happen, and so him and some other people decided to go to different 874 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:57.520 parts of the world and try to find a place to start a new idealistic 875 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.359 community. And you will kilt you ended up coming up to Homer, Alaska. 876 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:06.760 He found the land, the area, and they went back to Switzerland 877 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:13.119 for a short time to try to persuade other like minded people to leave and 878 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:19.760 emigrate to Alaska with them. And the lady who ended up becoming his wife. 879 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:28.359 She was a ballet dancer and I think she's sang opera too. But 880 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:33.880 when they were getting to leave was when Hitler started his invasions, and her 881 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:39.000 mother gave her all the life savings of the family they had in the coffee 882 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:44.079 can and told her to go. And so when they both when they got 883 01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:48.399 up here to Homer and everybody else was supposed to show up, they were 884 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:54.560 the only two that managed to get out of Europe, And so then they 885 01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:59.359 decided to get married, you know, got their land, started homesteading, 886 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.960 and the family has kind of lived that same homesteading lifestyle, you know here 887 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:09.840 close to a hundred years later. But I just thought it was interesting when 888 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:15.399 I was hearing that story from his granddaughter, who knows his daughter about how 889 01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:23.399 his theory that when societies get too many people in a small space, eventually 890 01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:30.600 everything collapses and people need to move to places where they're less densely populated. 891 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:38.079 And then sure enough, Hitler kicks off World War two, or so we're 892 01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:44.279 told. Yeah, and that's very interesting because if you remember in nineteen thirty 893 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:49.479 six, that time, the Great Depression was still very much fresh in their 894 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:54.159 minds. That was just six or seven years after one of the worst financial 895 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:57.640 collapses in our history. And then on top of that, to realize, 896 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:04.239 you know, the cities and the situation, what a smart move to go 897 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:11.039 somewhere where they know, no matter how badly things can get, they'll be 898 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:15.319 able to survive on fish, on nature, because again, everything is out 899 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:19.720 there for you to survive on. When you live in a city, if 900 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:23.359 your grocery store is out of food, then you're out of food. When 901 01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:30.039 you live in the suburbs or a rural area where there's plenty of fishing and 902 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.800 hunting, you're going to have a much better chance of survival, and you 903 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:42.119 normally see people much more healthy and happy. And this goes complete full circle 904 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:45.960 to the very beginning of the podcast. As we mentioned, you know, 905 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:50.319 our way, America's way of freedom versus the Bedouins that are living in the 906 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:58.199 desert raising their families. They're not the same version of freedom or happiness. 907 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:03.760 And it's awful, um high and mighty of us to say, look, 908 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:08.399 now you're going to get our version of freedom and you're gonna like it. 909 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.279 Yep, You're gonna like it whether you like it or not. That's right. 910 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:17.680 And there's something and I know you're you're homesteadying yourself. By the way 911 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:21.399 I meant to ask you, is either you or your wife from Alaska? 912 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:24.520 Is there a reason why you guys? Is that why you guys went back 913 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:28.479 to Alaska after you're retired? No, I was. I was stationed up 914 01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:34.079 here before they moved me to Florida, and so I retired out of Florida. 915 01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:40.560 And this is where the kids still had the most connections. And the 916 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.920 typical pro and conchart of where we want to retire, this is where I 917 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:53.640 mean, the benefits here are for veterans are great. Most states you have 918 01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:57.960 to be one hundred percent to get like property tax exemptions. Alaska you only 919 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.600 have to be fifty percent rad So I don't pay any property tax except on 920 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:10.039 my cabin that I rent out. Are you serious? Yeah, thinking about 921 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.399 coming to Alaska now, aren't you? Yeah, that's a big deal. 922 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.920 I mean, we had it bad in Texas. You know, every state 923 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.079 seems to have his catches. Like Delaware, there's no sales tax, but 924 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:24.239 there's a there's a high income tax, state income tax, and of course 925 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:28.279 there's the property taxes, which are okay, they're not terrible compared to many 926 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:32.319 other states. But I mean the thing is what people don't realize. It's 927 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.960 when they're working and have a regular paycheck, and they're younger and they're doing 928 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:40.640 well, they don't really consider property taxes. But when you get to a 929 01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:44.039 certain part of your life, into your sixties or whatever, when you're on 930 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:48.239 a we'll call a fixed income, property taxes mean can mean a huge difference 931 01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:53.199 in your quality of life. Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. 932 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:57.880 We don't pay property tax, so I'm not leasing my property from the government. 933 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.840 If your vehicle seven year years or older, you can put a permanent 934 01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:06.960 registration on it and never have to pay for registration again. No income tax, 935 01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.960 sales tax isn't done at the state level, list done at the individual 936 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:19.000 municipal level. We can that it's going on right now, our dip next 937 01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:26.640 season. So Alaska is big on subsistence hunting and fishing and personal use. 938 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.399 So Alaskan residents, I'm waiting to do it here. As soon as the 939 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:34.079 salmon run gets a little bit stronger, go out to the river to the 940 01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:38.800 ocean and stick a four foot net out in the water, and I can 941 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:43.880 drag sixty salmon out of the river for my family and play that up, 942 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:49.159 put it in the freezer, and we got fresh fish all winter. Because 943 01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:55.720 under the state constitution, the natural resources all belong to the citizens of the 944 01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:00.800 state. So the oil companies with the stated as, they set up a 945 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:10.640 investment called the Permanent Fund, and it's it's up in the billions right now, 946 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.399 and if it it only has like a little bit more to go, 947 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:17.319 and it'll be able to fund all of state government solely off of the dividends 948 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:21.119 of that. And then each Alaskan resident, man, woman and child, 949 01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:30.000 doesn't matter how old you are, gets check based on how well the permanent 950 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:34.720 fund does. So as long as the permanent funds making money, Alaska residents 951 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:39.159 get a dividend check. Like last year it was like three thousand dollars per 952 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:44.520 person, So a fear family of ten, that's thirty thousand dollars you get 953 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:50.000 in October for budding oil companies pump your oil out of the ground. Wow, 954 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:55.359 there'sre's a lot of benefits to it. Yeah, there's there, certainly 955 01:18:55.520 --> 01:19:00.439 is. That's amazing. We considered it. We've never been there though. 956 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.640 That's that's the one outside of Alaska and the two Dakota is that they're like 957 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:08.920 the three states I've never never been to. I need to get up there 958 01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.239 some time and check it out because that makes a big difference. But then 959 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:16.479 again, you know, who knows what tomorrow brings, and it's difficult with 960 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:23.000 family here. But those things are again very important, especially as you get 961 01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:27.319 older. The fact that there's no property tax and I'm I'm well over fifty 962 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.520 percent myself, that would be huge. That's interesting. That's something to think 963 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:36.520 about for sure. Yeah, And I mean it depends on what Our kids 964 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:42.000 have only got one left in the house and he's only got three more years 965 01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.279 left. I mean, if our kids don't stay here, I might not 966 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.560 stay here. I mean it's all, it's all a give and take sacrifice. 967 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:54.479 Absolutely, if I want to be around my kids and have a yard 968 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:58.560 full of my kids kids, you know, I might have to back up 969 01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.880 and move close to where they're at. Yeah, maybe I can talk them 970 01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:08.439 into up there. When they hear about the checks, maybe that might that 971 01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:11.479 might appease them. But I love to fish, man, I love to 972 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:14.439 fish. I just walk up the street hanging left. There's a little fishing 973 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:15.720 hole down there. I could fish all that. I would love to fish 974 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.079 up there. I would love to fish salmon. The last couple of years 975 01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:25.119 when my friends has come up to fish, and last year he came up 976 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:29.880 and we same thing. I just drive five minutes down the road and I 977 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.600 can go drop my line in the water. We drove down and we got 978 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:34.560 out of the truck and I'm like, ah, man, I left my 979 01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:38.840 left my waiters at home. He's like, okay, I'll just start fishing. 980 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:42.359 So I literally drove five minutes back home, grabbed my waiters, drove 981 01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.800 back. I walked up there and he's got a rod snapped in half and 982 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:50.199 he's pulling in his six fish, so he's limited out already, jeez, 983 01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:54.960 and he's like, well, I just bought this. I'm like, we'll 984 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.359 just run it back to the store, which is another five minutes down the 985 01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.680 road. Like, I'll sit here and fish. So we takes a truck, 986 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.359 drives down there, swaps the rod up, comes back and I've got 987 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.520 my limit. We're going home. Is that per day? Six? Yep? 988 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.680 Six per day? Wow? And I'm assuming that you probably get your 989 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:17.079 fishing license for free being a veteran, Yes, lifetime. That's outstanding. 990 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.680 Wow. Well, I guess I'll be googling living in Alaska now for the 991 01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:28.800 next couple of days to check that out, watch the videos. I'm always 992 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.399 yeah, absolutely, we're lucky to be where we're at, but um, 993 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:36.840 we're also in one of those places where if things go sideways, it may 994 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:41.000 not be the greatest place to be, even though we're we're in a more 995 01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:45.079 rural area. But there's many people who say if things go sideways, the 996 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.159 rural people would be the ones who get will be in the target because we're 997 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:55.840 the we have the food and you know, we literally my wife has already 998 01:21:55.840 --> 01:22:00.119 pulled out fifty pounds of cucumbers. We have the chickens eggs. So yeah, 999 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.560 like you said, there's pluses and minuses everything, but of course at 1000 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.800 the top of the list is family and being able to see them because nothing 1001 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:13.520 can really replace that. Um, this this ninety minutes has just blown by. 1002 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.680 Is there anything that you had written down that we hadn't discussed yet? 1003 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.079 Um, I got some stuff, but I can I can just run through. 1004 01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:25.399 Yeah, go ahead, you know what the what the top evidences were 1005 01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:32.119 that that really kind of did it for me? Okay? UM. NASA 1006 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:39.800 freely admits their space images or composites. NASA admits they lost the technology to 1007 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.279 go to the Moon. NASA admits they can't figure out how to get past 1008 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.439 the vent al and radiation belts, even though they said they did it in 1009 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:50.760 the sixties and seventies. Um. If you're new to the podcast, UM, 1010 01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:55.319 and you haven't heard about the Challenger crew, go look into that one. 1011 01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:00.479 That one will be raising some eyebrows. UM. Gyra's scopes. If 1012 01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:02.560 you learn how those work and how they work in a plane, I'll tell 1013 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:09.399 you we're not on the ball. We can clearly see too far. If 1014 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:12.239 you haven't been to the top of Pike's Peak. Go to Colorado, drive 1015 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.079 to the top of Pike's Peak and on a clear day, look at how 1016 01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:17.199 far you can see, no doubt. And or even if you don't want 1017 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.239 to do that, you could even climb out of Two Springs and Colorado Springs 1018 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:26.439 and check that out as well. You can see you forever there m flight 1019 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:31.680 paths or another one. Um, look at the look at the sun rays 1020 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:35.439 when they poked through the clouds and you can see it. That also tells 1021 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:39.640 you the Sun's not ninety three million miles away. You know. That's that's 1022 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:43.119 one of the more underrated pieces of evidence, I'll tell you. Yeah. 1023 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.800 I use that one on my son, like like, look at how those 1024 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.159 razor coming out like a triangle. I'm like, how's that? How does 1025 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:55.399 that work if the sun's ninety three million miles away? And he's like it 1026 01:23:55.520 --> 01:24:00.520 shouldn't. I'm like, you're right, it's close. Yeah. And you 1027 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.279 being in both Afghanistan and you've said you've been to Colorado as well, right, 1028 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:10.239 you understand the difference of being sunburnt at five thousand feet versus you know, 1029 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:14.000 five hundred feet, right, Oh my gosh. Yeah, And Afghanistan 1030 01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:17.239 would run around the mountains at ten thousand feet, and that sun is so 1031 01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.000 hot, like even even here in Alaska, even know I'm at sea level, 1032 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:29.199 just based on where the sun is up closer to us in its circuit 1033 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:33.840 around the tropic like it might their temperture might only be sixty five degrees, 1034 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:39.079 but that sun bakes makes you feel like you're in eighty degrees. Right, 1035 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:43.800 And if if the sun were ninety three million miles away, a couple of 1036 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:49.359 thousand feet shouldn't make a difference, right, that shouldn't matter exactly. Stars 1037 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:55.279 don't change. I've gotten many videos or many photos off my front porch in 1038 01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:58.520 the wintertime when it's nice and clear, and the big dippers in the exact 1039 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:01.000 same spot off my front porch as it was the last year and the year 1040 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:05.279 before. Um. That's when I use for people like, if we're hurling 1041 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:12.199 through an ever expanding space, why are our stars the same? Why have 1042 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:20.119 they never changed all throughout history? Um? Oh, Dave Weiss's sun fade 1043 01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:25.039 out video. Have you seen that? Yes? Yes, it's just just 1044 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.279 it doesn't go down, it disappears. Yeah, it just goes out and 1045 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:31.680 then just boop, it's off. That's a that's a that's a great one. 1046 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.960 Um. The other one, Um, if you go and look at 1047 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:45.199 the like the all the NASA documents and other government documents that say a flatten, 1048 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:49.760 non rotating earth is assumed. I talked to my wife about that one, 1049 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.439 and she's like, well, maybe just makes the math easier. I'm 1050 01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:57.720 like, well, these are rocket scientists, and they can't factor in the 1051 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:04.039 supposed known wrote patient and curvature of the Earth. They're just gonna like omit 1052 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:08.319 that out of simplicity. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can't pick 1053 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.279 and choose when you're going to use your equations and when you're gonna use science 1054 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:14.319 or not. Either use it all the time or you're not. Yeah, 1055 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:19.520 I mean I would think if you're shooting a rocket from we'll say the Persian 1056 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:25.720 Gulf up to Missool, you might want to know how fast the Earth is 1057 01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:30.960 rotating and how much curvature there is to be able to correctly calculate where you're 1058 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:34.239 going to hit that target a thousand percent. The mortar men and those guys 1059 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:41.279 that don't take that into effect or into account, I shoul say, Yeah, 1060 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:48.119 those are just my big, big, big proofs that really solidified it. 1061 01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:51.680 Yeah, that the one I like to show people, and the one 1062 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:58.199 that you mentioned is probably my most favorite go to is I'll play that ten 1063 01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:00.680 second clip of that moron Don petted. We'd go back to the Moon in 1064 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:05.239 a nanosecond if we had the technology. When I show that to people, 1065 01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:09.479 it's kind of like how you you told them when you showed them that picture, 1066 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:15.960 They're like huh. And then I think it challenges their lifetime of programming, 1067 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:18.800 and they it fries their brain and they just back away and leave, 1068 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:23.920 because that is very telling. There's no technology in a world that we've ever 1069 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:30.720 gone backwards in. Yeah, never, never. And then I hear people 1070 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:32.840 say like, like, man, it's amazing that we went to the Moon 1071 01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:36.520 with more technology than we have in our cell phones, Like that's incredible. 1072 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:43.800 I'm like, because we didn't. I think there was more technology and an 1073 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:45.840 Atari twenty six hundred. I think that's what they said. There was more 1074 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:53.119 technology and Anatari twenty six hundred than that what was in the Apollo eleven computer 1075 01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:59.359 system. Because one of the guys at work heat like, he's he's right 1076 01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.880 there with moon landing was a hoax, and he's a Christian too, and 1077 01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:08.600 he knows he knows I'm a flat earther. And he came in one day 1078 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:11.439 and he's like, all right, Dave. He's like right here. He's 1079 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.760 like, it says that God looks down upon the circle of the Earth. 1080 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:18.399 I'm like, yeah, yeah, it does. He's like, it's a 1081 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:23.600 circle. I'm like, yeah, yes, circle. Indeed, that is 1082 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:31.439 a different Hebrew word than is used elsewhere describing a sphere. It's literally talking 1083 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:34.520 about a circle, not a ball. That's right. And if you look 1084 01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:42.199 at the antartic wall, it is a circle. Mhm. Yeah, yeah, 1085 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:49.119 A big difference between circle a cognitive dissonance just never surprises. Yep. 1086 01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:55.319 Well, hopefully we can drop enough breadcrumbs and break that cognitive dissonance and enough 1087 01:28:55.399 --> 01:29:00.479 people that we can demand a refund from NASA. I don't never that'd be 1088 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.439 a nice paycheck, although yeah, you're right, of course it will never 1089 01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:08.520 happen. And modern day Tower of Babbles, all those people are yeah, 1090 01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:12.600 just a slush fund for all the other black projects. Oh one thousand percent, 1091 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.319 of course, yeah, you can. You know, there's only so 1092 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:17.119 many people that can make a part for Space Shuttle, so they're able to 1093 01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:20.079 charge as much as they want. They can take that money and like you 1094 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:28.680 said, fund their black ops. YEA, indeed, indeed as well. 1095 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:33.600 It's been a tremendous ninety minutes visiting you. I'm so glad that you've reached 1096 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:38.079 out. We've been chatting via email for quite some time. It's been nice 1097 01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:43.279 to finally sit down and have a conversation with you. I'd like to revisit 1098 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:47.840 it again down the road, and I'd like to give you this last minute 1099 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.600 or two to you know, to close out however you would like to, 1100 01:29:51.720 --> 01:30:04.159 sir, sure, I'd just like to say upfront that is a is a 1101 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:11.399 Christian. This this is by no means selvific in any manner, whether you 1102 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:15.479 believe we're on a ball or in a snow globe Truman Show type thing doesn't 1103 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:20.840 doesn't have any bearing on one's salvation. Um. I think we all need 1104 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:28.319 seem to make sure we understand that. Um. But two, if if 1105 01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.039 you're going to believe scripture for what it says and not what people are telling 1106 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:36.000 you it says, UM, you're gonna have some some reading ahead of you. 1107 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:42.640 If you haven't already come to the understanding of how the Bible describes where 1108 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:47.359 we live and on that road, just go and look at some of the 1109 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:54.399 stuff we've talked about. Um, the truth will be right there, ready 1110 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.600 to slap you in the face and show you that we've all been lied to 1111 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:04.960 for for many years. And this is, in fact, what what the 1112 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:10.720 ancient Hebrews believed about where we lived, and I venture to say probably first 1113 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:17.760 century Christians believed about where we lived, and many many other ancient civilizations understood 1114 01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:21.119 this is where we're at. And once you once you understand where you're at, 1115 01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:24.640 you can kind of figure out where you need to go from there. 1116 01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:32.479 I couldn't agree more. And many people think that while we have advanced technologies 1117 01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:38.359 that were way smarter than the people of yesteryear, I'm not sure if I 1118 01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:43.119 believe that. Again, we are technologically advanced, and with time we should 1119 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:45.479 be. But I think there were people back in the day who knew a 1120 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.079 lot more than we do how the world worked, and the wonders right, 1121 01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:56.119 they could use things right out of the ground for medicines. These days they 1122 01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:59.840 want you to take a medicine that doesn't fix the root of the cause, 1123 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:05.279 It just covers it right, It disguises the problem or the symptoms. So 1124 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:12.600 I think that the folks before were very smart. They knew how everything worked. 1125 01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:16.720 And hopefully we can be humble enough and our neighbors and friends will take 1126 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:18.840 the time to look and read the Good Book. And like you said, 1127 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:23.880 I want to echo that you don't have to be a flat Earth to attain 1128 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:29.239 eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. However, I've gotten tons of emails from people 1129 01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:34.159 where not only did flat Earth bring people to God, it also reinforced their 1130 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:38.199 faith when they realized, like you said at the very beginning of the podcast, 1131 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.399 you can look out the window and look up in the sky and there 1132 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.039 He is looking down upon us. So tremendous podcast from you today, sir. 1133 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.600 I want to thank you so much for your time and wish you all 1134 01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:56.680 the best and your family in the future. Of my brother yep. Likewise, 1135 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.560 you too, George. I appreciate it, and folks, don't forget 1136 01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:02.119 to check out the website, the flat earth files dot com. We have 1137 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:06.000 that picture Mount Saint Helens and Mount Rainier in there for you to see. 1138 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:10.239 If you haven't seen it yet, go check it out and the website if 1139 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.000 you'd like to join us like Dave did tonight, it is the flat Earth 1140 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:16.000 Files Gmail dot com God bless each and every one of you. Keep your 1141 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:19.399 head on a swivel and until the next time we will see you