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Welcome to you Softcore History. Hello, and welcome back to soft Core History.

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My name is Jake Goldman. I'm
here with two strangers. I haven't

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been on the show in a while. What's sir. I'm Jake Goldman.

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Thanks for having me on your show. To meet you. My name is

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Rob. Nice to meet you,
Rob. Are you? Um? Yeah,

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I'm the guy that that didn't come
in last week because I was saying

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I thought it was polite of me
to like not come in sick. Jake

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had a little baby cough. I
was COVID adjacent. Yeah, that was

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polite of you. Yeah, we're
I mean, we're all. We're all

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vaxed up and everything. Listen to
the episode. Yeah you can tell from

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that joke. Yeah, yeah,
it's a callback, and that's stand regester,

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the other voice you hear. What's
up? Of course? Yeah,

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go back and listen to that episode
if you haven't already. It's pretty good.

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Okay. I actually listened to it
on Tuesday morning because I worked from

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home on Tuesday too, just to
make sure everything was good. I couldn't

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get a COVID test until like Monday
night or something like that or whatever,

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So no, random, Yeah,
it's like possible. Heart Again, it's

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really hard to get a COVID test, right, I got. I got

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COVID tests like a month or two
ago because I was having the same back

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pain that I had when I had
COVID, and I thought, I was

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like, fuck, well that was
the only symptom I had. And then

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I got it and of COVID,
and then I realized that I was probably

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completely asymptomatic and the only thing that
was in common was I had driven long

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distances both times. Yeah, well, you see, my COVID test was

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kind of thorough. I just ate
an onion. Yeah, it's an apple

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bite of an onion. It worked
the entire onion. Yeah, so I

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tried to do that. So I
had like a stuff, you knows,

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allergies things like that. So my
set so smell and taste was kind of

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diminished, but not gone. My
smell is never really fully returned, which

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I'm not you know, I'm not
complaining about. It's not that great of

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a sense. Yeah. No,
are you a dog or something you need

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to smell things? No, I
mean it's pretty important to like olfactory taste

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and no, no, I can
still like I taste fine, but for

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whatever, really smells like strong things
like like apple, cider, vinegar.

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Okay, something that commented yes okay, and also like you could like with

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taste what you just have to kick
it up a not. I mean as

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you can eat spicier food, oh
more garlicky food. Rob, you said

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something that you just missed. I
just missed my queue too for the dog

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ticket transition. Come on, yeah, that's fine. You know the podcast,

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and if you don't, it's new
here. Of course, go back

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and listen to the back Catalog had
a great episode last week about John Paul

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Jones. I can't I can't say
that Jake's absence didn't help it. Coop

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did a really good job. But
you know, well yeah, Cooper always

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causation correlation. Yeah, of course
too. I'm wearing a one of our

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newer shirts are Topsy the Electric Elephant
Share. Oh yeah, talk about that

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available at softcore history dot com.
We're here for the brand now. So

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there are a handful of you.
I think there's three orders right now pending

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still that need to go out.
I'm gonna be hitting up that delivery.

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We've done like like thirty five forty
shirts. Yeah, yeah, we've done

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it. About no threat of getting
a tattoos someone I forget who. I

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don't keep my phone on me when
I'm on the show because I don't want

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to get distracted. But one of
our listeners tweeted at us saying they were

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wearing it in a gas station,
and someone was like, cool shirt,

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what's it about? And he explained
the history, and then the guy got

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mad, and I tweeted back at
him. I was like, did he

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not look at the shirt? It's
a shirt. It's very clearly an elephant

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being murdered with electricity or at least
commit suicide. Yeah, there's no other

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way to take what that shirt is. No, it's literally wearing like an

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old school green mile like needs needs
a sponge kind of electric chair hat on

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it, and it's pulling its own
switch. I don't know where you were.

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Oh what's that about. It's it's
an elephant it yeah, yeah,

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yeah, it's really good, really
good print. We'll see how it goes

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with the wash. Uh yeah,
we'll do a little washt He's just come

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in today. But I'm sure they're
fine. Sure, it'll be fine.

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We have a tank tops two.
You're you're rocking that earlier. It's not

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like I'm going to fucking Citizen Bank
Park and picking up a five dollars shirt

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outside of the stadium, right,
yeah, yeah, exactly. These are

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high quality, they're super soft.
Yeah, we got our Knick label on

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them and stuff like that. It's
real cool, man. And then we're

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gonna we're gonna have some more designs
in the pipeline coming up. Probably go

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home, smoke a little weed,
and then uh, maybe working on Mike

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malloy shirt. Oh yeah, I
actually just got my own little design suite

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too, so I can start putting
out some shirts that I want to do.

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We'll obviously run them by committee,
but yeah, you definitely gotta run

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by me. But um okay,
but yeah no. If you go to

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software history dot com you can see
all those shirts. They're all on sale.

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Any purchases you buy in there,
we thank you for it. Like,

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tell your friends about them. They
aren't really good shirts, they're super

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comfortable. Multiple about the podcast.
I just thought of a slogan for it,

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Too Irish to Die. It's not
bad. Yeah, still a lot

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of good shirts for Too Rare to
Live, Too Irish. Maybe that's a

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release before Saint Pa. Yeah,
two Irish to Die and it's just a

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guy like chugging. Actually, yeah, we're gonna sell that. We'll have

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like a more Mike Malloy shirt,
I'm sure. But then we'll just have

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like a plain text too irish to
die for thinking it might that might just

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be the Mike Malloy shirt. Now
we just maybe put like a silhouette of

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Mike malloy. Yeah, yeah,
just to keep an eyeuf for that shirt.

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That's probably go viral for competing.
We said this verbal contract, we

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own that. Yeah, that's ours. You can't have it, but anyway,

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Joe can cut that. Um.
So, what we're actually talking about

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today though, it's kind of a
a broader topic. We're not talking about

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some one person like uh, Mike
Malloy or um, certain events that happen

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under like it's more like the pregnancy
episodes yea, yeah, or the variety

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is the spice of light. Yeah, and that's why you come to this

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podcast. We have our own little
different, um you know, kind of

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topics that we lean into. The
animals I've noticed, like animals and clowns.

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You did topsy animals, circuses.
Yeah, you love this, love

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the fucking certain. I hate clowns
too, which is The funniest part about

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that, like a walked Damn Ross
was dressed like a clown. It was

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kind of terrible. Yeah, yeah, that was It was really good clown

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makeup. So like, okay,
that makes sense. Like frequent Icona Blast

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guest Jesse did that. Yeah,
And speaking about Kona Blasts, which Joel

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on the h I know Coop is
Coop Cooperson. He prefers to go by

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that, Joel, what's your lasting? Also, I I I hand up.

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Uh, I was bad host last
week. I did not pimp by

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Kona Blast at all. That's shitty, bro. That was very shitty of

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me. So well, yeah,
go listen to Kona Blast with Coop and

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Joel. Yeah, and Jesse this
week too. I believe that's awesome.

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Yeah. So what we're talking about
to day on software History though, is

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going to be my largest domestication of
animals. The reason why I personally wanted

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to start doing this was because I
was sick on Monday. Um. I

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originally was going to talk about a
different topic on Monday, but I was

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sick and it was going to be
about occultism and Nazi Germany, which we

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will cover. I love the crazy
batom Blevotsky bullshit that Hitler was into,

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yeah, in the nineteen thirties.
But line, we've done a lot of

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Nazi stuff so far. I know. That's kind of what I was thinking

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too, is like Anne that we've
done a lot of Russian stuff, right,

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how many Nazi stuff we don't?
We did The Night Witches, which

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is Nazi adjacent, We did Leo
major. Yeah, we actually haven't covered

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like Nazi Nazis. So actually I
will still do that obviously, but it's

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gonna be whenever. It'll be a
fan softcore history. Don't overthink it.

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So a co worker mind, a
co worker mind sent me. It always

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come back to fucking Hitler. Yeah, it will, it has to.

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It's Godwin's podcast, law yep.
Yeah, well, I still think it's

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not. At some point we need
to start doing like who was our Hitler

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of the week? Who was the
story done Hitler a week? We will,

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we can do it for this one. Let's let's not tire ourselves to

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segments, okay, right right right? Yeah? Sure, So I was

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sick, I wasn't feeling great.
Mine had been talking to me about someone

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else who we talked about dumb shit
like this at work. He's like,

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yeah, so have you heard about
these Russian foxes? And I was like,

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no, what about him? He's
like, they domesticate really quick,

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like after like three generations. They
become fully domesticated after just a little bit

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of trial. So I'm gonna he
sent me the actual kind of abstract from

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it. I'm gonna kind of pull
out some key things. My last name

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is Fox and because of this,
I looked into this like years ago to

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see if you could like get a
domesticated fox as a pet. I found

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this exact story. Oh really,
yes, Oh I know, I know

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the whole fucking story already, prey. I mean, I read it years

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ago, so I'm missing pieces,
but yeah, I read the whole thing

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about I'll let you fill in the
blanks. Childhood pretty much preconditioned us to

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want foxes as pets. Fox the
Tales from Sonic, The Hedgehog Tales.

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Yes, I was more of a
Nintendo than a second guy. Same but

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makes sense and as both. It
depends on it depending on which cousin I

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was and in that week. Okay, no, my family didn't afford it.

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No, my family, yeah,
my mom would remember backing the day

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like that costs two hundred dollars.
What fuck? You? Can you imagine

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a second costing two hundred dollars now, Like that's still too expensive. Yeah,

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Like we'd be like, no,
absolutely not, that's terrible graphics for

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that. Yeah. And I'd be
like, well, maybe you should start

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being an attorney for a firm instead
of maybe goddamn government, man, I

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want to maybe you should start making
guilty people innocent. I would kill for

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a Dreamcast right now. God,
Dreamcast was a bad system, Like what

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what do they have? Like the
fish, the talk that you. Yeah,

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I had nothing. We were playing
a Dreamcast ones and just being confused

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and infuriated by it. It's like
the memory cards. Also a digimon or

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like something. It was. A
GameCube was also up there. I mean

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they at least the Mario and like
Mario really yeah, Mario the man says

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his own name in every game.
It's me Mario, Mario Mario anyway any

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way, Uh yeah, So I
still remember the cheet codes the Mortal Kombat

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to this day, Like I like
I remember me and Kylie went to an

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old or the toy museum in Austin
and they had the old Mortal Kombat.

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Uh kind of arcade game and I
knew, uh like backpack b is get

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over here. Oh yeah, oh
I missed the old arcade Mortal Kombat.

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Um. I used to play as
raid in so it's down down, made

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you teleport and then sub zero down
or down back I think a or be

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able one of the sun to freeze. Yeah, but just to kind of

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go over this weird domestication story.
So if we're like the last sixty years,

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a team of Russian geneticis led by
Leadmila Trout, you don't have to

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try Lead Mail Trout. I've been
running one of the most important bill g

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experiments of the twentieth and now,
I guess twenty first century. See,

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this is another thing you do is
you pick subjects with just impossible names.

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I love it. I just like, you know, Eastern Europe their hand

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John Paul Jones rolls off the time. I have a super hard time same

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words in general. So like I'm
like, yeah, I'll go with the

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easy English names. Yeah yeah,
So I mean, I guess I just

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gravitate towards weird history, and a
lot of that comes out of the largest

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landmasks in the country in the world. That's Eurasia. Yeah, so I

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mean it makes sense, I guess. But also, this experiment has been

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running for like six years since the
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in nineteen fifty nine began an experiment
to study the process of domestication in real

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time. And this is the first
experiment ever where it was like, we're

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gonna domesticate something that is not domesticated
and with the intent of domesticating it,

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and see how long it takes to
do it. So he was especially keen

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on understanding the domestification of wolves to
dogs. But rather than use wolves,

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he used silver foxes as a subject. So George Clooney's silver fox. Yeah

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no, but yeah, and I
love that. It's like he'd preferred not

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to you. He wanted to learn
more about wolves. But he's like,

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that seems really hard. Wolf gets
out. You got a real problem.

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Here's the fox gets out. He
just leaves so the way. And it

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might make a lot of sense why
he picked foxes instead of wolves, because

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his method of testing whether or not
the animal was docile enough was sticking his

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hand into the cage to and if
it bit or not, like you'd have

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a glove. Basically it's like and
if a bit he'd be like, all

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right, don't use that one,
right, and so he slowly did that.

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Yeah, it doesn't work with wolves
the hand test. Yeah, yeah,

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the hand The wolves they circle you, they team up on you.

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The foxes they just lead you down
a trail in the forest that you're unfamiliar

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with. Yeah, and they're just
kind of like a guid in light.

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Well, big foxes or foxes can
be mean, they can bite, they

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can't kill you. I've never seen
in my life. Have you ever seen

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a fox in your life? Yeah, okay, multiple where they're pretty hand

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in my neighborhood all the time,
and they're pretty Oh really, I've never

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seen a fox in a while.
Yore. Interesting. Um So, starting

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from what would amounted to a population
of wild foxes within six generations of foxes

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of foxes, not people, so
six years Yeah, in six years time,

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this happened. Uh. Selection for
tameness and tameness alone produced a subset

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of foxes that licked the hands of
experimenters. He was just making the friendly

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ones fuck each other. Yeah,
exactly, so. Uh, they would

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lick the hands of the experimenters.
They could be picked up and petted Uh,

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they whined when the humans left,
and they wagged their tails when humans

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approached. Yeah, it sounds like
most dogs that were adopted during the pandemic.

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Yeah. By the way, if
you a shelter, if you adopted

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a dog during the pandemic and then
returned it because you were like didn't care

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him this anymore, I would like
you to replace your dog in the shelter.

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Yeah, in the shelter. I
think you should be in that cage.

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About fucking hate you seriously is a
subtweet at anyone. Do you know

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someone that did that? I don't, thankfully. Yeah. I was about

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to say, if you know some
sah now I would say it on air.

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I would have dragged that person.
I would have no simboth like,

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I would dox the fuck out of
that that type of person. Someone argue,

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that's one of the worst people to
be. Yeah, so kind of

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being, it's just being cruel to
a living thing. Yeah, No,

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I mean like my dog. I
adopted my dog at nine months old,

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and they adopted it at eight weeks
old, which is like the bare minimum

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of age it's supposed to be.
Yeah, we got Jack at eight weeks

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and it's like anything before that you
really shouldn't get Jacket. I didn't get

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Jack Chase Chase Motley at two years
old. Yeah, it's a good time

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to get headed. Yeah yeah,
we lear knew how to sit and piss

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outside. I was pumped. It
was like thanks dude, but yeah,

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um, it's crazy though, that
family adopted my dog at eight weeks old

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then just dropped it off at nine
months Like oh yeah, it's like fuck

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you pieces shit, that's what I
did. Like the family I adopted Chase

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from, they had him for two
years and like we just keep him in

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the cage the whole time. Yeah, at least they gave it to you,

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right, or did you get it
from the shelter. They're about to

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give it to the shelter. I
mean that's the house to house transfer is

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better than sending the dog to jail
for nothing. The worst thing, though,

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is like six months after I got
him in his cage, they took

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back the cage. What they get
another dog? They're like, can we

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get another can we get to the
cage back? I'm like, what do

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you need? What do you need
is? Uh, we wanted to just

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torture another dog. We want to
be shitty owners to another they got another

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dog. Yeah, wow, that's
so shitty. Dog is like the least

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problematic dog too, Like, well, I've only known him old and I

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have seen him actually fuck pillows a
lot. But other than him like humping

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pillows, it's pretty chill. He
doesn't really do anything pretty much. We

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would bring our dogs over when we
were recording uh fucking spare bedroom or whatever.

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Like, they wouldn't even interact with
each other. Chase was like uninterested.

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Yeah how he rolls yeah like his
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let's than a decade, some of
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have floppy ears and curly tails,
and you can see that, like if

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you look up some Russian silver foxes. Now, so for anyone watching,

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they were the equivalent, i mean
perfect. They evolved very quickly to their

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benefit of making humans like them into
this. That's a real thing that happens

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when there's social animals, like especially
Yeah, like I forget the term i'm

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gonna I'm gonna watch it. I
think it's like maya, I'm not gonna

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even gonna try to say it's it's
basically the scientific word for the evolution of

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cute traits to survive better. Yeah, yeah, it's a thing. Dogs

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developed their eyebrow muscles to do that, to make their like eyes go like,

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right, have poppy eyes. Wolves
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don't. Don't do don't like arch
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eyes bigger around people because they're like, we have no benefit. And by

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the way, dogs literally cannot feel
guilt, but they they've learned to express

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what looks like being guilty so that
you get like less man at it.

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Yeah, isn't that fu isn' that
what feeling guilt is expressing that you feel

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guilt? Yes, same thing.
Yeah, yeah, we're not Yeah no.

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Yeah, So you're saying every dog's
a sociopath. Yes, hey man,

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every dog is an animal. You
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world. O um okay, so
a couple other things too. I'm sorry,

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Yeah, okay, I was like
trying. I'm sorry, I paused

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on it. I just I had
to digest it. But us digesting like

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pizza hut. Yeah, that's also
that was that was an off camera Yeah.

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Yeah, for pizza gave me and
my wife horrifying diarrhea yesterday. It's

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gonna doubled down on what you told. That's fine. She was screaming.

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I could hear from across the house. She's pregnant. It's just not pooping

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pregnant. It's not good, apparently
not. But the stress hormone levels by

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generation fifteen of these dogs after fifteen
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So the gluco corticoid levels of the
wild foxes were reduced by half, and

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over generations their adrenal glands actually became
smaller and smaller. Um their serotonin levels

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also in increased, producing happier animals, and over the course of the experiment,

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researchers also found that domesticated fox is
displayed modeled mutt like or uh yeah,

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fox is displayed muddeled mutt like patterns, and they had more like juvenilized

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facial features like what Rob is talking
about. Shorter, rounder, more doglike

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snouts started to develop, and the
body shapes started to change too, so

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they got chunkier so than having like
gray salt long limbs. So what you're

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saying is we like we made a
bunch of beta foxes. Yeah, and

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this is what's happening to American man
were eating fatter and softer in the face.

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Who's breeding is like that? I
want to know Liberals? Yeah,

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jee jeez, Yeah for sure.
Jews um so interestingly enough too that they

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have actually like a longer reproductive period
it than they're wild progenitors as well,

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So like the wild ones have a
shorter which makes sense. They're not in

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human care, they're not being taken
into shelters, say, I gotta spit

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this baby out. I gotta spit
this baby out. Yeah. Yeah,

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yeah, it's interesting how that works. It's not healthy to live a fairwal

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lifestyle, yeah, exactly. So
actually they're starting to figure out too that

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like the longer they do this,
they're linking this with with like synaptic plasticity

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as well, which means like the
foxes are better at remembering things further down

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the road too, Like we're making
them smarter. Well, that's because they're

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stressed. They're not stressed out.
They have a smaller adrenal glance. So

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that's I started reading about that.
It's like what the fuck? How Like

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how is this so eat like with
just that much intention of domesticating an animal

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that is not domesticated, Like,
what is the process of that? How

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dogs became domesticated in the first place. Okay, Like, and I kind

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of started going down this rabbit hole, and I really just need you to

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follow along with me. Sure,
So first we're gonna talk about what domestication

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even is, because there's a lot
there's a ton of just back and forth

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argument on how dogs became domesticated because
just like anything with ancient history story,

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it's prehistoric, right, And there's
even debate on what domestication even means,

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Like, for instance, yeah,
no, I mean it's like efrosinologists,

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here's my thing. Is it sleeping
with you from more than two nights?

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Has it tried to eat you?
It might be domesticated. Yeah right,

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unless it's like a tiger, and
you might be domestic like a fucking Jeff

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Fox domesticated. If you got big, old cute eyeballs and movements, you

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might be domesticated. I can't do
any more than that. That was all

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I got. So what even is
domestication? So I'm going to operate under

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this assumption of what domestication is.
Some people believe that domestication is as simple

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as you are removing a wild animal
from the wild and keeping it captive for

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the rest of its natural life cycle. That's a domesticated animal, to which

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I say, bullshit, Yeah,
that's not accurate. Captive tiger right,

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will rip my face off. It
is not. It is not domestic in

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any possible way to me as a
human being. Now, I think we

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need to look at domestication through the
lens that that definition technically means that the

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velociraptor at the beginning of Jurassic Park
that rips that guy and do domesticated.

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It was domesticated veloci exactly. Would
you consider the circus bears domesticated? Absolutely

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not. They're riding tricycles through hoops
of fire. What them learning what they

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have to do to survive? Yeah, that's not the same. That's more

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of a not dying. It's just
google Russian bear circus attack and there will

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be pages upon pages of results.
Not in the circus. Yes, maybe

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they were fighting for better pay.
Do you ever think of that? I

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you know what, I didn't side
with the worker, and that's just the

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capitalist pig in me. I guess
yeah, yeah, yeah, capitalist pig.

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They'll pay for the communist bear.
Yeah, exactly. So we are

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going to be assuming domestication is through
anthropo anthropological lens or ethnology lens, which

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is how the animal responds to our
culture like us, we're looking at it

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through human lens, which we have
to right candid interact and live with us

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basically. Okay, So domestication is
what happens when we'll define it as something

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genetically altered in a plant or animal
that makes the species reliant on humans.

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So I mean, as much as
like I would like to think I could

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throw my dog out in the woods, It's like his instincts would kick in

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and he'd learn how to hunt and
he'd be able to like survive. It's

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like no, no, but dog
would be like, where's the water bowl?

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I mean, to be fair,
your dogs big enough at least that

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it wouldn't get murked by like coyotes
or something. Oh, your dogs would

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be fucked My dogs. Fuck?
Yeah, your dogs are like prey.

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Yes, they were bred to become
prey. Like, yeah, your dogs

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aren't making it like a hawk is
going to swoop in and just aren't big

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enough. I looked it up.
Don't worry it. Hawks look bigger because

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of the wingspan. But that's all. It's all feather, all right.

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The hawks way like three pounds.
You can't our six pounds a hawk can't

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pick up? Do they have like
hollow bones? What? What the fuck?

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How are they saying it's all feather? I mean, I'll tell us

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some listeners. You don't need to
do it now, but google another bird

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that looks huge is pretty much the
same premise here google uh wet owl okay,

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and basically an owl without feathers um, it's actually just a weirdly shaved

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vagina or the clitteress is a toenail, and it basically who yeah, you

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stick it in. It just looks
like an owl. Yeah? Gross?

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Can it turn all the way around? Yeah? It's interesting. Uh yeah.

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So, by and large, though
domesticated animals are nothing close to like

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what they're wild predecessors are too,
or wild counterparts are even like a fucking

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rob dog or even my dog looks
nothing like a fucking wolf. Like they

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just don't look the same. So
we're going with that. How quickly you

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think your dog in particular, because
your dog is both large and young ish

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still like your dogs too old?
Your dogs fucked too really like the heat's

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getting your dog. He would also
get my dog, you know, but

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like remember that scene in the only
season I watched of the Leftovers or whatever,

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where like the wild dogs were like
the dogs, like a bunch of

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people who disappeared their dogs. It
just become a wild pack of dogs like

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eating fucking deer and shit, Oh
that's kind of cool. Well, I

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actually that would make kind of sense, Like how quickly would they go back

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into that and the packs? I
feel like that wouldn't happen. Actually,

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I feel like they could go back
into packs pretty fine, because dogs do

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maintain a certain hierarchy no matter what. That's it. We'll actually get into

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this. This is one of the
reasons why we think they were able to

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be domesticated so easily. Yeah.
So um, we'll start just kind of

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with the timeline first, and then
I'll go into like the four major theories

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on how domestication happened. If your
purest in domestication theory, right, So,

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two hundred thousand years ago is when
we start seeing anatomically modern human beings,

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right, right, So that's two
hundred thousand years ago. Since then,

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not much has changed at all.
Dogs are basically a rare exception to

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evolution because it usually takes like millions
of years for things to have noticeable changes,

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Like, so it took millions one
hundred different breeds or something, right,

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Yeah, so uh for us,
it took us up until two hundred

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thousand years ago to get to where
we are today, and not much has

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changed since then. Yeah. Uh, we don't see proto wolves, which

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are like the wolves that probably came
out of the den and interacted with us

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on more than just a hey,
we're an enemy to you, right,

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So we don't see them until about
thirty thousand years ago. And in that

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thirty thousand years, think about it, how much that wolf has changed.

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But that's not thirty thousand years for
a wolf. No, that's but once

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we start when you but when you
go count by generations, right right of

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course, So really like year doesn't
isn't A year isn't. But what I'm

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saying fact measurement of time for a
dog or a wolf or whatever. It's

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only it only really matters for human
beings. But it's still so fast because

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untouched completely. Like, so think
about it, we had modern humans two

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hundred thousand years ago. Granted it's
a shorter lifespan, it's forty years versus

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you know, I don't know how
often ancient humans were popping out babies.

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But I would assume anything, even
prehistory is still probably affected in terms of

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like Jiflengke by the birth by the
infant mortality rate. Okay, right,

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so if you if you take out
all the infants, like if you make

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it to a point where you're going
to live, like it's certainly like prehistory,

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precity, pre agriculture, the life
expectancy is shorter. Yeah, but

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you know, like it's probably still
in the sixties or late fifties because like,

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once you get past a certain point, you're pretty much fine, barring

405
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:51,400
an accident or running into a new
person who's going to cough some weird shit

406
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,039
on you. Yeah, that's fair. But okay, so from so proto

407
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:59,680
wolves or thirty thousand years ago,
we don't actually see domestic dogs until twenty

408
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,160
years so inten just ten thousand years, right, they were domesticated, So

409
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,039
that's human influence a little bit,
but we're not one thousand percent sure on

410
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,039
that. We don't know what happened
to make them go from these proto wolves

411
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,759
these things I just kind of were
like, hey, we're not going to

412
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,240
kill you. Can you throw us
a bone maybe to a full fledged dog,

413
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:18,720
which is something different than a wolf. It's something with a shorter head,

414
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,720
a little bitch, yeah, exactly. Little. We don't actually see,

415
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,839
um, and this is just timeline
again. We don't actually see specific

416
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,880
breeding until probably about ten thousand years
ago. Okay, we don't see trait

417
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,839
breeding for another ten thousand years,
but the development and the quick turn time

418
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,680
is pretty amazing. So we don't
see anything deliberate with the evolution of dogs

419
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,960
until probably about ten thousand years ago, maybe fifteen, on the Zokoff Islands

420
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,440
of Siberia, and this is that's
where they started breeding them. That's the

421
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,839
earliest evidence of dog breeding for specific
traits is known. How long ago?

422
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,799
Ten thousand years ago, ten to
fifteen thousand years so the right one we're

423
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,640
walking over into the Americas. Yeah, and that was actually the first doodle.

424
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,559
Ah, that's how it happened.
No, it's not. It was

425
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:10,559
two wolves fucking and a golden doodle
came out there and they sold them for

426
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,759
seven thousand dollars, papered and everything. It was crazy. Yeah, they

427
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,079
jumped right into it. Yeah.
No. The Zocoff Islands though, Um,

428
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,319
so the people that lived there are
the I think only archaeological society,

429
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,200
like the only society archaeologists have found
that hunted and eight polar bears without arms.

430
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,359
So wait what they didn't use spears, they didn't use any sort of

431
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:34,680
had zero arms. Yeah, but
they didn't use like rifles or like high

432
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,440
powered weapons, basic basic, basic
level tools at that and a lot of

433
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,119
them weren't even using weapons. They
think they were breeding these fucking dogs,

434
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:47,240
these giant wolf dogs to fight polar
bears. So they had two kinds though.

435
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,519
They had ones that they assumed were
polar bear fighting dogs and then sled

436
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,839
dogs. Like the sled dogs had
to be a little bit more strong.

437
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680
This was sheer volume because yeah,
multiple wolves. Well, what we're talking

438
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,839
about year is a bunch of Sherman
tanks against the tiger tank. Yep,

439
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,599
and you're gonna lose five or six
Shermans a fight. But that okay,

440
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,079
yeah, I mean that's worth it
though too, And that if you don't

441
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,640
love the dogs, I guess you
love living forever off one haul of polar

442
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:21,079
bear. Like, yeah, that's
like you're making it the rest of the

443
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,960
year on that polar bear. Yeah, just the fat alone is you're good,

444
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,359
Like, think of the fur you
get from it, the bones,

445
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,799
the tools, like it's lose ten
dogs. At no point, at no

446
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,599
point where they're like we should start
using some of these polar bear teeth to

447
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,599
murder other polar bears. No,
they were like, let's getting the dogs

448
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,400
fuck like crazy. Yeah, dude, they're done. Yeah, they're just

449
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,240
making us. This is really this
is prehistoric Sherman tanks versus tiger tank.

450
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,119
Yeah. So they have like look
up the jokof island dogs. They are

451
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680
massive. They're pretty close to what
like I want to say. They think

452
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,640
the closest now breed is like was
that malmot? It's the big the big

453
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,799
one, Okay yeah, um but
yeah, most bottered breeds only go back

454
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,880
about four hundred years. Yeah,
so they go look at go google to

455
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,599
the our listeners, go Google,
like what the breeds looked like one hundred

456
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:15,240
years Oh my god, Yes,
the fuck bulldogs existed because they looked amazing

457
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,759
one hundred years ago. Yeah.
And this is what I'm talking about when

458
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:19,519
you're like, well it was only
thirty thousand years not for the dogs.

459
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,559
Yeah, like you gotta count generations
not years. And for the dogs,

460
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:30,559
it's like ten x bulldogs like are
spending on Charles Darwin scrap. That is

461
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,960
a bulldog. Like one hundred years
ago. I'm showing a picture to Dan.

462
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,400
They had breathing problems. They still
breathing toblems and stuff, but nearly

463
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:48,400
they weren't monsters there the fucking slashot
bulldogs like literally not what bulldogs look like

464
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,279
today is like the ripley monsters in
Alien Resurrection. That's absolutely true. Like

465
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:57,640
bull And don't get me wrong,
I do not dislike bulldogs, but they

466
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,279
probably shouldn't be wouldn't one. Yeah, I'm not like going to a breeder

467
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720
for it, sorry Jack, Yeah
yeah. But also like, oh my

468
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,240
bulldog had a heart attack. It
the doorbell rang too loud. Yeah,

469
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480
no, and it died. They
can't have no five months old. They

470
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,720
can't have natural birth. Yeah,
they have to have cesarean sections. That's

471
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,799
overbreeding. You should not do that. That's fucking stupid. And also,

472
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,440
but like think about this though,
when you talk about like dog evolution whatever,

473
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:26,079
like these dogs can fucking get pregnant
after a year. Yeah, right,

474
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,799
so like you're talking about I mean, you have another generation two years

475
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:30,920
down a lot. Even you're like
you can't even think about a whole dog

476
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
life like, oh, well,
the dog lives like ten to fifteen years,

477
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Like no, no, no,
they're they're putting four, five,

478
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,880
six generations after that dog is born
immediately in its lifetime. Yeah, so

479
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,680
that's that's actually another interesting point too. We're talking actually how I figured it

480
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,079
out compound interest in school dogs fucking
Yeah, I feel like that's showed it.

481
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,720
Non, okay, okay, okay. It's like, so you got

482
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,720
tree dogs here, they they're wild
dogs. They're fucking each other down by

483
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,119
the wool, and uh it's pretty
good. Yeah no, and then like

484
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,279
spit out, I can't do you
Yeah, I can't do it. But

485
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,160
um yeah, so funny you mentioned
that enough, Like that's fourty years ago

486
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,400
is when we start seeing like modern
dog breeding efforts. And then that's also

487
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,839
when we start seeing dog fucking problems
with genetic problems because in order to maintain

488
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,680
the purity of a breed, because
all these fucking royals they already did it

489
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,319
with each other, so they started
doing it with breeds, right, they

490
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:28,880
started making birth defects because they were
in breeding dogs. Well, the nice

491
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,200
thing about a fucked up dog back
then, as we learned during the Topsy

492
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,920
episode, is you just drowned them
in a barrel. Yes, you drown

493
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,440
everything in a barrel. Yeah,
basically if it's too big barrel to really

494
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,599
make it out. Back then,
big barrel was crushing anyone who thinks a

495
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,960
barrel is like a cool thing,
like a symbol like oh, Bark's root

496
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400
beer, you know, like murdered. Most of those barrels were used to

497
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:59,599
for horrible reasons, either the town
drunk or or maybe some gunpowder, you

498
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,359
know, ago kill some whoever,
probably didn't deserve to be killed. Yeah,

499
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,519
all right, So we're gonna get
into four different theories now of how

500
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:14,000
thirty thousand years ago dog proto wolves
became dogs cat ten thousand years later.

501
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
So the first two theories, we're
going to talk about our natural selection theories.

502
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:22,960
The first one is the flight already
hate it? Why you hate natural

503
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,400
selection? No? Dan hates if
anything, Dan would hate that there's no

504
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,160
longer enough natural selection. Yeah,
yeah, Dan's why do you get vaccinated?

505
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,279
Then? Dan? Put your natural
selection up to the ten you bitch.

506
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,680
Okay, you're not naturally immune to
something, No, but I naturally

507
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,319
have an autoimmune to see. Yeah, anything, if anything natural should be

508
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,799
despite natural selection. No, I
overcame natural selection. No, then it's

509
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,160
not natural selection. Natural selection the
Robert Lee quote. Again, it's not

510
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,920
natural selection if you overcome it.
Yeah, natural selection doesn't work if you

511
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:05,200
compete it. It's unovercomable. Yeah. No, there's certain individuals that can

512
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,759
overcome. Now, are you about
to be like going too like manifest destiny

513
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:09,159
in your own gene pool? Like
what is happening? No? No,

514
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,360
I'm not having kids. Okay,
there's a lot to unpack here for dance.

515
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,920
So we're gonna get into the fight
the flight distance. I told you

516
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,119
why you should get Kylie pregnant earlier? Why why should he? She wants

517
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,039
some bigger butt that would make her
butt bigger. I have a massive donc

518
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,559
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't
know what to do with this info.

519
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,039
Man, I'm really sorry. Like, I wish I could continue to a

520
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,440
better ass than nine percent of people
on the planet. I believe that.

521
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,840
I know you have a great butt. That's natural selection. You got naturally

522
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,519
selected to be fat. That's usd
thick choice beef. Yeah, anyway,

523
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,519
someone naturally selected that ass. All
right, we have some talking about Dan's

524
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:52,239
but I don't agree about another five
minutes. Hey, guys, get a

525
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,760
history of your ass. Yeah,
you're just fucking back in nineteen ninety one,

526
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,599
Margaret, And what was your did
you have like a yeah, did

527
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,119
you have like a girl in seventh
grade moment where you like, you just

528
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,480
came to school one day and you
had d's instead of a's. Was there

529
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:12,519
a teachers all the other girls?
I actually got stuck coming out of the

530
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,079
womb. Oh is there from the
beginning? Come but first? Yea,

531
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:21,599
So I actually came out with the
cord wrapped around my neck. I came

532
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,599
out trying to kill myself. That's
pretty unbranded. Why you've overcome a lot

533
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,840
of natural selection situations. God has
been trying to kill you. The odds

534
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,039
are forever not my favorite. No, yeah, but if you always overcome

535
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,639
them, then aren't they dan?
You want to know about the flight distance

536
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,880
I bought this is or what souh
wolves with less flight distance would typically hang

537
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,159
around human camps? And I'm gonna
let you take a reason, uh why

538
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,159
they were hanging around human camps.
Scraps baby, yeah, dude, scraps.

539
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:53,559
So so what you're trying, what
you're trying to say is if it

540
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,159
wasn't for litter, Yeah, we
wouldn't have dogs, probably not. So

541
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,000
this is a pretty wildly So this
is why should litter I just yeah,

542
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,199
okay, Actually littering is why a
lot of animals get hit by cars,

543
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,880
is because people throw stuff out the
window and then the animals come out and

544
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,280
they're like, oh street, trash, street, a dead raccoon it's from

545
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,079
Yeah, typically that or there's no
place for the animal to cross the road

546
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,679
at a certain I'm fine with that. But like, also, turtles get

547
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,639
stuck in just kind of the plastic
rings. Um, eventually they'll just over,

548
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,960
like they'll get small enough that they
fit through those rings. That's how

549
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,239
evolution works, right, so yeah, you're not wrong. Wow that Yeah,

550
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,559
and then turtles will get bigger nostrils
to not get straw stuff in them.

551
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,000
Yeah, well eventually that straw stuff's
bullshit. Yeah, but literally what

552
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,920
happened is, yeah, like ducks
will eventually because like ducks will get caught

553
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,159
in the soda can things or whatever. What eventually will happen is ducks will

554
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,719
do that on purpose and merge into
a super duck, a duck king if

555
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,440
you, yeah, a duck king, and they'll take over whole parks.

556
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,559
Okay, oh, yeah, and
ducks are vicious, especially that big old

557
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,920
floppy dick comes out there, corkscrew
dicks. Yeah. Um, Actually,

558
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:07,599
if do you know what a rat
king is, Dan, you know what

559
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:12,440
a rat king is from the northeast
of Oh my god, if you don't

560
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,599
know who the rat king is looking
up southern people. My cousin Sean,

561
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,599
all Right, dogs with more aggression
would just kind of like see the camp,

562
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,639
be like fuck that, I'm out
of here. There's fire and stuff.

563
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,639
But the ones that were more than
likely the outcast of the group that

564
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:29,800
could not hunt for ship within a
hierarchy of a dog pack, They're like,

565
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,880
well, I gotta find fucking food
somewhere. So they probably either either

566
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,920
stole it or they were just like
not scared, brave, you know,

567
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,360
quote unquote brave to go up to
the camp and be like all right,

568
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,960
like dumb enough to yeah, not
dumb, just know that they can't hunt

569
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,159
with the other wolves, so they
got to go up there. We're gonna

570
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,760
get this fine line between bravery and
stupidity. Um. So the basis of

571
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,679
the flight distance theory is that brave
wolves, ones that weren't so fucking freaked

572
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,920
out by everything learned to get closer
to us. Then there's biotic mutualism,

573
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,519
which is the other one, and
that's that wolves and humans are more or

574
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:06,320
less equal in the food chain at
a certain up until a certain point in

575
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,679
time. Okay, so we are
tracking animals. We are are hairless.

576
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,000
It helps us with hunting because we
don't need to pant to sweat, so

577
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:19,840
we can run for long distances of
time, take short breaks. We don't

578
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,719
need to sit there are It's really
weird. People don't realize is we're like

579
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,119
human beings are like one of the
best long distance runners in the entire animal

580
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,000
kingdom. That's how we kill shit. It's we just make the other things

581
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,559
tied. Yeah, it's like the
gazelle can't go forever. No, we're

582
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,639
not catching the gazelle. We're running
the gazelle to the gazelles. Like what

583
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:38,920
the fuck? How is it still
running? Yeah, and we're just like

584
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,159
we're like, um, what's the
guy from help? We're the Mike Myers

585
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,760
of the animal Kingdom, Like,
we're not spreading at you, but we're

586
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,639
coming. Yeah. No, we
have jeeps and then we light them up.

587
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,360
Cool Dan, Yeah, cool man, No, we how do you

588
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,360
not like that? Reference man,
we're like slow stocking serial killers evolution just

589
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,360
keep walking towards it, and they're
like, what why is he not getting

590
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,960
tired? Tony Ferguson of The Animal
Kingdom, Yeah, what's that? It's

591
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,400
okay, no, tell us,
it's an m fighter UFC Okay, he's

592
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,880
he's a fucking walking zombie. He's
always moves forward. He gets punched in

593
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,000
ahead a million times and keeps walking
forward. Nice. Yeah, yeah,

594
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:22,000
so we probably hunt in the same
environments with wolves. They also were really

595
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,880
good hunting, tracking things down in
groups. They also had very complex social

596
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,480
groups with hierarchies and communication such as
barking in house, and that leads to

597
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,159
cooperative hunting, so we also had
cooperative hunting. We hunted in packs as

598
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,880
well. We chase things down as
pack animals um more often than not,

599
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,599
probably we would either steal a kill
from wolves or wolves would steal a kill

600
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:46,599
from us, and the more polite
ones we would not murder right if they

601
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,639
were like, okay, we'll back
off, you know, sorry, Yeah,

602
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,079
we would throw them a bone.
The Canadian wolves Oh yeah, sorry,

603
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,440
sorry, yeah, you're sorry about
that. Sorry, Yeah, We'll

604
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,519
take a bone, thank you,
Like I mean but either way, those

605
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,679
wolves didn't get killed by us,
they probably aren't like, okay, well,

606
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,800
so a wolf is less picky,
so you can kind of leave them

607
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,559
certain things that maybe the humans will
I don't know, I actually don't know

608
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,119
how pretty historic cumans eat. Actually, that's actually you bring up a really

609
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,079
good point. There A lot of
people think that in these indigenous communities.

610
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,639
Um, there was a lot of
commonality of like they use every piece of

611
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,679
the body of the animal to kill. No very spiritual. Yeah, no,

612
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,199
of course not. If you kill
fifteen buffalo, you gotta eat it

613
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,159
all that day, Like you're not
gonna process at all. Rotting animals will

614
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,760
start to fucking. The other thing
too, to remember is this is like

615
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,039
a horrible thing. I know,
but a lot of times when they find

616
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:42,199
like cats and dogs that have been
killed by coyotes, which kind of the

617
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,719
same thing. Um, it's not
that they're like stripped to the bonus that

618
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,960
their insides are taken out. Yeah, so they eat all the internal organs.

619
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,480
They don't necessarily like rip off all
the media. Yeah yeah, but

620
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,760
we're more into the you know,
the cuts and meat, right, Like

621
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,320
we're not eating the intestine per se. I guess we could grind up the

622
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,159
bones too, but like they like
the bone marrow and sit as well.

623
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,360
Like eating bones is probably something that
was reserved for dire straits in ancient civilizations.

624
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,960
So more than likely we had a
bunch of bone piles laying around.

625
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,480
Yeah, so dogs we take the
ship toss on the bone well and even

626
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,320
then, but they just better at
eating in two like even just like tendons

627
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
and anything like. Don't like they
had like small plate restaurants where they would

628
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,880
get bone marrow and then it's just
like there's no wayer to go off of

629
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,440
with you, there is no but
you're pushing forward. I'm trying to push.

630
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,760
I got a lot of information too. I actually bet there were plenty

631
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,639
of prehistoric people that cooked with fat
and bone even bone marrow and stuff like

632
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,639
that. I actually think that,
uh, prehistoric cooking was a lot more

633
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:52,639
sophisticated than we probably gave it credit
for considering that, Like the Babylonians had

634
00:41:52,719 --> 00:42:00,079
like all kinds of uh, like
incredible cheeses and like cheeses and stuff like

635
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,320
that. But I think like everything, uh in the Middle Ages, everything

636
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,920
just got lost. All the recipes, everything got lost, and everything became

637
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,480
porridge. It wouldn't it wouldn't actually
be wrong to say that a lot got

638
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,239
lots in the Middle Ages, I
mean, like especially to the Dark Ages.

639
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,480
To everyone's nying. Depends on what
you're talking about. Like medieval Italy

640
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,039
didn't really lose any like that type
of stuff. Well, they were documenting

641
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,760
everything. Yeah, so you're more
talking about like medieval Germanic, which is

642
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,920
like which was a shit hole anyway. Yeah, they they they they regress

643
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,119
for sure because the Romans left,
but like I mean Italy was just Italy,

644
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,840
yeah, like that they were still
fine. Yeah. Um, we

645
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,599
probably also learned how to in part
of the symbiotic mutualism thing. Um,

646
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:49,920
we probably learned as we migrated into
new territories how to kill the locale or

647
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,360
the local prey from wolves. We're
like, oh shit, like we know

648
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,559
how to kill him Paula and stuff
like that in Africa, but like as

649
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,360
we're moving into new territories with like
Eurasia has just completely different animals. They

650
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,360
have like I I don't buy that
one. I don't buy that one because

651
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,639
it's like I feel like, uh, fucking nomadic caveman type of person or

652
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,280
whatever it could be. Like,
yeah, there's its neck, Yeah,

653
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,280
stab it in the neck, Yeah, there's its head. I guess I'm

654
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,679
just taking a little bit away from
prehistoric humans. Yeah, I feel like

655
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,239
they know. I feel like they
could figure it out. Twenty thousand years

656
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,760
ago. Isn't that long ago?
No? And here's the other thing too,

657
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,840
is like even still like you think
about what we eat or whatever,

658
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,039
like the heart on a buffalo versu
a gazelle or I don't know, camel

659
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,079
what. Oh, and relatively the
same area like middle front. Yeah,

660
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,760
I think I also think you probably
notice eyes too, like if you hit

661
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,800
it in the eye, you're gonna
kill. Yeah, Like it's brain.

662
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,039
I think I can figure that out. I don't think any of the wolves

663
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,440
to show them. So then okay, those are the naturals. They're going

664
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:45,920
to hang it on their walls.
You can't go right for the head,

665
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,440
that's true, you can't. You
can't blast its fucking head off. Yeah,

666
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,320
there's no trophy in that. No, yeah for sure. Um,

667
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,039
so those are the natural selection theories
of domestication. Then there's the artificial ones,

668
00:43:55,079 --> 00:44:00,320
which are pure human influence. Um, a lot of people. I

669
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,840
think it's this one, which is
we were just trapping wolves, man,

670
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,079
which is like I want that wolf. It's like that one. Yeah no,

671
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,840
but like we were using it for
for trapping, So what's really good

672
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,400
for? Um? Apparently what's really
good? You see it a lot in

673
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,159
digs too. It's like buffalo first, have a lot of mends with wolf

674
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,440
first, because it's easy to like
manipulate and do like quick patches with.

675
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,440
Okay, so we're probably just you
know, it's cold out man, like

676
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,760
a prettyhistoric traps. Do you think
they just dug a hole? Yeah,

677
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,559
that's a good questions, probably one
of them. I mean, yeah,

678
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,199
it's got to be like or the
stick, the stick with the box a

679
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,920
little net like mouth. Well.
Also, I mean you like we observed

680
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:43,519
like Native Americans doing this, and
I doubt it was a new thing where

681
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,320
you like trick the buffalo and are
running off a fucking cliff. Yeah,

682
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,280
you could probably trick other animals and
doing that too. Absolutely, I thought

683
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,880
that was only cows. That's buffalo, I mean suicidal cow. Yeah,

684
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,079
I know you times at South Park. I get it. We had to

685
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,159
get one in the South Park reference. Is that what's something we do?

686
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,719
It's we're contractually we gated, Yes, Okay, um. Yeah. So

687
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,559
also there's a lot of archaeological digs
around the world where fracture marks from human

688
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,559
tools are found on dog bodies,
so like where we were chopping them up

689
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,599
quite a bit, and not just
in like one certain part of the world.

690
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,159
It was quite a lot of different
spaces. I mean savior Asian jokes.

691
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Yeah, it's I mean, I
assume everyone was eating anything that they

692
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,320
could eat given the circumstances of life. Yeah, so this is the captive

693
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,679
wolf theory. And then it's like
the ones that were really good or like

694
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,199
maybe we're just were cuter. We're
like, m m, the cuter ones.

695
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,039
Yeah, the cuter ones. Yeah, we don't want to hear that

696
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697
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to insurance, it's nice to get
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827
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Yeah really I think so. It's
I would much rather be right than wrong

828
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,519
when it came to of insurance of
all actual Yeah. Uh and last,

829
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:10,480
but certainly not least, because they
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830
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the best headphones on the market in
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831
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,840
Like that's that's not even an exaggeration. I actually you dropped off the pair

832
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that they left for us. I
put those suckers in, Like, well,

833
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it's because you came over and cooked
his food. Yeah, And I

834
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,239
was like, here, I have
a present for you that I didn't give

835
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to you. Yeah that that isn't
from me, right, let's thank you.

836
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:31,440
Yeah. No, I mean I
put those in though, because I

837
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,920
was like, I wanted to like
listen to some music and read after I

838
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left your place, because I was
I had been busy slaving over just a

839
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:44,480
great brunch. But yeah, it
was amazing quality of these earphones. Yeah,

840
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they're incredible. Yeah. Uh No, Like, no matter how you're

841
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feeling about getting you know, back
out there and getting into the world,

842
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uh, just you know, and
and you know, getting your headphones out

843
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there, whether you're running going back
to work or whatever, back the office.

844
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When the world gets too loud U. We all like to create our

845
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own soundtrack, and popping in Raycon
wireless earbuds is the way to do it.

846
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,239
I use my Raycons for running.
They like do not fall out of

847
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my ear, like they really stay
in there like well like I mean like

848
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,320
it's I know, like there's a
lot of wireless and these are wireless.

849
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,920
By the way, there's a lot
of wireless ones that look like a little

850
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,800
sketchy, like is it going to
stay in? Like these things do not

851
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leave your ear. They're not uncomfortable. They're not uncomfortable, but they do

852
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not leave your ear like. They
stay in there. They get in there

853
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:30,719
like it's They're perfect. I don't
know what else to say. I was

854
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,719
doing box jumps them the other day. Were you really yeah listening to Sunday

855
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I was obviously after the UFC and
everything. I got into a Houston rap

856
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mood after the main event, Scarface. It's a lot of fat, pat

857
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okay, nice, a lot of
pimps. See a good bass. That's

858
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one one of the things Raycon.
The basin them's like really good. It

859
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,639
just has like a really superior like
base quality. When I was listening to

860
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it, You're not the first person
to say that on prompted by the way,

861
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,760
Yeah, I really this is not
in their copy, like they do

862
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,280
send us stuff to say, and
the base thing is not in there.

863
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,039
And then multiple people are like,
dude, the base in there is incredible.

864
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Yeah, it's really good. Um, I was pretty blown away,

865
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,079
like everything I am saying is not
written out somewhere. Like I really like

866
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them. And they don't stick out
of your ears either. They're not like

867
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,519
they're not gonna get so like I
said, they don't fall out, but

868
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,039
they also don't They're not the type
of thing where they can get like knocked

869
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:30,239
out either or like somebody bumps into
you or something. Another thing that's cool

870
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about them that a lot of people
don't realize thirty two hour battery life.

871
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So you don't need to charge them
necessarily every day unless you're just going hard

872
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,960
as hell. I mean you literally
don't have to charge every day. Well,

873
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,679
they're they're like, what eight hours
of continuous place, so that's out

874
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,000
of the case. And then with
the case, you can get thirty two

875
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hours without ever touching an hour.
Yes, yeah, it's insane. They're

876
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,480
so good. Like I'm pumped about
about eight hours continuous play is insane.

877
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That's worth day. That is a
workday. If you get your case,

878
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,880
it's fine. Yeah. They start
at roughly half the price of all the

879
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:07,960
quote unquote premium audio brands. I
won't mention them because I don't care to

880
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,519
mention that. I don't care to, but they are half the price of

881
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:19,119
all of those quote unquote higher end
premium audio brands. Raycon is higher end

882
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,039
than them, and they sound literally
just as good as sound qualities the same.

883
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:25,760
They come with a forty five day
happiness guarantee too, So I guess

884
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if you're a real d bag and
you don't like them, you can send

885
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them back. But yeah, so
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890
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,320
com slash softcore. To say,
fifteen percent on Raycons one more time,

891
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:09,480
in case I don't know you didn't
hear it. You were screaming at a

892
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driver or something by raycon dot com
slash softcore. Raycons are awesome. I

893
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,920
really do. Like. Yeah,
they're they're really good earphones. Yeah yeah.

894
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,320
The other last theory I'll throw you
guys is the pet wolf theory.

895
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:25,199
It's the one that mean you were
talking about last night, Rob. Ancient

896
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:30,559
people started to adopt wild wolf pups. Um, they were just selected for

897
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,039
better traits over time and bread together. Here's a couple of problems I have

898
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,320
with that theory. Is this the
Williams one. We're gonna get to the

899
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:43,079
counter to this counter. Okay,
So there's a counter to the pet wolf

900
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,800
theory, which is it's really hard
to go into a wolf den and take

901
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,719
a wolf pup. Yes, um, seems not easy. It's probably one

902
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,199
of the worst things you can possibly
do is go up to a wild apex

903
00:58:54,239 --> 00:59:00,159
predator and steal it's young from it. Typically, So again, how does

904
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,280
that happen? How is that even
allowed? Probably what happens is bowed.

905
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,880
There's nothing not allowed. Oh yeah, good point. I'm just saying,

906
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,880
how how are the other wolves allowing
this to happen? Well, it could

907
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,360
be like a geographical thing, like
maybe French wolves are just very apathetic thing.

908
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,719
But any girl. She just Sophie's
choice of French wolf joke. That

909
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,039
was a good reference. That's great. Um. Yeah, so Robin,

910
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,800
I've talked about this before and it's
kind of what got me started down this

911
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,679
path too. Is uh, there
is a human condition called Williams syndrome I

912
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,679
think is Williams Buren syndrome. Yeah. Um, it's where people are overly

913
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,599
nice. It's essentially the end.
It's the inverse of autism. Yeah,

914
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,320
so you're extremely highly you're very friendly
to everybody. Um, yeah, you're

915
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,440
you're kind of like a human puppy
develop mentally a little slow you apparently Also

916
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,519
one of the other things is elephant
like sort of physical feature. This is

917
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,880
like on they like this from the
definition. I'm not like these people look

918
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:16,559
like elves. Um, yeah,
like features and yeah, it's like it's

919
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:22,079
like the inverse of autism. Yeah, they're overly friendly and um, I

920
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:27,760
guess a little slower develop developmentally or
whatever. Yeah, be like the idiot

921
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,840
way to put it. I mean, yeah, it's like there is a

922
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:35,480
like just a the slower development is
obviously a thing. Um, they have

923
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,599
the developmental level like there, their
cognitive development is stunted quite a bit.

924
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:40,800
So like you can meet someone with
it that's like twenty seven. They have

925
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,639
the cognitive development of like a ten
year old. Yeah. Um. They

926
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:46,960
are also very just totally trusting in
anyone they ever meet. And so what

927
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:52,039
they think is that they have actually
started to find these gene types in ancient

928
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:58,000
dogs, yeah, or in more
recent They've actually their recent study too where

929
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,639
they pulled wolves and dogs and like
tested them for traits. They've done it

930
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:05,360
like a bunch of times. They're
starting to see a similarity in dogs where

931
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,000
they all have this kind of Williams
syndrome gene. They can't confirm it,

932
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,079
you know, it's it's one of
those things where it's like we'd have to

933
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,559
study it for hundreds of years,
but it's a hypothesis. So it would

934
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:19,679
actually make sense then if for pet
wolf theory is like a wolf was just

935
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,360
like oys wolf fire, that's cool, cops some of that meat, and

936
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,719
we were just like, what the
fuck is he doing? And the other

937
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,159
wolves are like what the fuck is
he doing? Right, and they just

938
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,159
bounced him. Honestly, makes sense
for the first theory it plays into.

939
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,559
And that's why I think it kind
of makes sense. It plays into the

940
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,760
flight distance hypothesis, which is like
that to me is the most likely why

941
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,199
they're just like, oh, well, I'm not scared of them. Yeah,

942
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,199
they're cool and like we they're not
aggressive to us, so we don't

943
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:50,079
care like and they probably there is
probably a little bit of symbiotic mutualism in

944
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,920
that too, because they could probably
help us tract better. The dogs could

945
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,320
probably better. And also the hearing
like they were good alarms yea for someone

946
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,480
else coming. Well, that's another
thing too. With the symbiotic mutualism and

947
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:05,079
the Williams syndrome theory and the flight
distance theory, it kind of all makes

948
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,880
sense together, not separate theoretically,
It's kind of how most things work.

949
01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:12,320
Why would you get it really reduct
Why would you make it so reductive into

950
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,559
one thing? It doesn't make sense. It's not how it goes a little

951
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:19,039
bit of a B and C I
guess tens of thousands of years, yeah,

952
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,840
probably. But yeah, Also,
if we have wolves in our places

953
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,639
where we live, like these Tom
Williams ones that are super nice to us,

954
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,320
they're not going to be nice to
other animals. They're not gonna be

955
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,360
nice. They're going to still protect
there. They're young, and so that's

956
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,960
an alarm system for us to know
when there's prey around too or just a

957
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:43,000
danger. Right. So all of
that over thousands and thousands and thousands of

958
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:47,320
years between probably thirty thousand years ago
to twenty thousand years ago, is how

959
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:52,440
just the domestication of wolves probably started, right. Yeah, so that's that

960
01:02:53,360 --> 01:03:00,639
cats. Fuck you don't like cats? Fuck cats? I love cats,

961
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:02,960
and it's rolling cats. I like, I'm like deeply allergic to cats,

962
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,760
but I want a cat. Lord? What are you and your natural selection?

963
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,320
Bullshit? What do you? Yeah? What's going on here? I

964
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,280
think I'm allergic to cats? Do
you? Though? Honestly? I think

965
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,519
they make my eyes that if they
have like really long hair. I mean,

966
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,280
I lived with the girl head two
cats, and it was some of

967
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,440
the worst months of my life.
Did you ever tell her to get rid

968
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,199
of the cats? No? I
would never do. That's a good thing.

969
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,559
They were cool cats though, and
I think they knew I was allergic

970
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:29,239
to them, so like when we
slept, literally they just sleep right next

971
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:30,519
to my head. Yeah, because
they're cats, and I do Yeah,

972
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,920
there are dicks. That was God
trying to be like you shouldn't be alive.

973
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,280
Yeah, I've been. I've tried
to strangle you in the womb,

974
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,360
I've tried to shoot you to death. Now I'm trying to shove allergies down

975
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:46,639
your fucking throat. What's next?
At some point? I don't know,

976
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,679
a Chick fil a truck's gonna slam
into your car and kill you if that's

977
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,159
how I die. Man, you
called it, and I would. I

978
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:58,280
can't be mad at that. My
family cats, why I don't. I

979
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,239
don't even know if it's the what's
the significance there? God? Oh right?

980
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,800
God on a Sunday? Yeah,
yeah, but chickfully delivery kills you

981
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,800
on a Sunday, You're fucked.
Ye, can't be mad? But yeah?

982
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,559
So cats? Right? Um?
You know how I said, all

983
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:20,199
that thing where it's like domesticated animals, everything looks different than it's wild counterpart

984
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,679
cats not so much. Most of
all cats were like domesticated from like one

985
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,199
or two types of wild cat.
Before we get into this, because I

986
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,800
know you have a lot of information. Actually, gonna keep cats pretty short,

987
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:35,239
Okay, but either way, what's
the biggest cat you could take?

988
01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:40,119
Actually, Dan, I'm glad you
asked this. We're gonna have a little

989
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:44,119
segue for a second from my topic
to another topic. So someone on Twitter

990
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,440
asked us, well, they showed
us. They showed us graph that graph

991
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,039
of the percentage of American men that
the big versus British men. Well,

992
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:57,480
British first off, British man are
kind of betas at this point. Uh,

993
01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:01,400
that's been confirmed by my British female
friends who all say that Americans are

994
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,280
way more likely to approach a girl
at a bar. That's yeah, because

995
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,760
yeah, all right, So I'm
gonna I'm gonna go down a list of

996
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,519
animals here. I'm gonna ask you
if you think you can fight it,

997
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,440
no, beat it in a fight, in a fight, you fight anything.

998
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,920
So I mean, can fight a
fucking tank. The first level,

999
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:25,000
the first one I'm gonna start with
here is I'm gonna I'm not certain with

1000
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,599
like rat. I know you can
fucking kill rat, right, I mean

1001
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:30,199
ten thousand rats? Now just one, just one? This is one of

1002
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:36,119
each thing. Spoiler for suicide squad. Chimpanzee. Chimpanzee. Yeah, I

1003
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:41,559
already said no, no, a
chimpanzee's way stronger than a bat boon.

1004
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,559
So chimpanzee, I'm taking your job. I'm taking two baboons. A chimpanzee

1005
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,760
is like a smaller man. Chimpanzee
is a smaller height wise, you put

1006
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,880
like three five ten x the strength. You know what's weird? You have

1007
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,199
to reach on them, you don't. More people think they could kill a

1008
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280
chimpanzee a wolf, and I would
definitely rather take it much Rather find a

1009
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,159
wolf than a chimpanz. Rather find
a wolf, yeah for sure. Like

1010
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:09,159
I don't understand how wolf is lower. Okay, next one, crocodile.

1011
01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:11,800
Do you think you could kill crocodile? I'll give you on land? Yeah,

1012
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,719
on land, you think, because
you know how fucking weak their jaw

1013
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,039
is opening. I thought that was
just the alligators. It's both, Is

1014
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:20,719
it both crocodile? We're talking African
crocodile? Right, they have one of

1015
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,800
the ones that like rip zebras in
half. Yeah, we're from that.

1016
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,760
But like so it's all strategy,
it's all matchups. Um, you're on

1017
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,440
am, I on land, or
you're you know what, you're on the

1018
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,519
bank. On the bank, Yeah, you can make it. You can

1019
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:36,960
make whatever the whatever venue you want, you can make it that. Okay,

1020
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,800
come on the my turf. Yes, come in the water. I'm

1021
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,159
not taking an alligator or a crocodile
in the water. Stupid move. Yeah,

1022
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:46,760
okay, but you think you could
on the on the land, because

1023
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,079
I think both them and alligators have
like the obviously they have one of the

1024
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:55,159
shrunks bites in the field, but
like opening their mouth once you have a

1025
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:58,000
close Yeah. That's why I like
Steve Irwin and all like the people in

1026
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,000
Florida can just wrestle gators, but
also they can death roll on you and

1027
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,000
kill you that way, they don't
have to kill you with their mouths.

1028
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:06,840
I'm closing it and then I'm probably
all you have to do is fucking do

1029
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,719
you have a weapon? This is
with your bare hands on me? Oh

1030
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,400
yeah, I can kill with my
bare hands. It'll take a while.

1031
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,079
But I don't think you're taking the
crock. I don't think they'll either.

1032
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,760
Okay, I don't think so bare
handed, but you definitely go for the

1033
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,079
eyes. I do think you could
kill a wolf. I don't think I

1034
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:26,719
don't kill you kill crocodile because you
just poke it its eyes out. That

1035
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,400
can kill it. Yeah, it's
just the term. It's gonna fucking die

1036
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,280
eventually. I guess it'll maybe get
sepsis once it goes. I don't know

1037
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,519
where it's going. Yeah, I
mean, I don't think you could kill

1038
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,559
chimp, and I don't think you
can kill a croc. I do think

1039
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,559
you'd kill a wolf. Shimps are
super Okay, it's strong. Wild card

1040
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,719
kangaroo so I've seen people box kangaroos. Yeah, I think you kill kangaroo

1041
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:49,719
and kill kangaroo. Okay, they
have some small necks too. They do

1042
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,840
have small necks, the small heads. Well, there's there's the jacked kangaroo.

1043
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,239
There's I'm not taking. I'm not
taking that kangaroo, but I'll take

1044
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,920
another. I think you could take
a jackhangaroo because it's next still small.

1045
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,320
Just get on it. Yeah it's
true. Just write it's back. Yeah

1046
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,960
yeah, just get it behind it. I mean, Joe Rogan said this

1047
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,840
weekend, light kicks are changing in
the game. Kangaruth throws a light kick.

1048
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,639
That's true. Oh that like get
fucking foot to your face. Yeah

1049
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:16,520
you're done? Yeah all right,
Um, last one. I don't think

1050
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,439
you could beat a gorilla. I
don't think you think. No, bet

1051
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,000
grizzly bear. No, okay,
good, what you know what was of

1052
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:29,199
American think they can be. I
am fucking frozen. If there's if I

1053
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,439
come across a grizzly bear, I'm
the last one stand a gorilla, lion,

1054
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,640
elephant and grizzly bear. No one
thinks they can take that. I

1055
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:40,960
think I can pet the line of
death. Okay, you're gonna cuddle it,

1056
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,000
Just cuddle it, Come on,
big guy. But if it's a

1057
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:48,000
male lion, because female line will
mark me. But like a mountain lion

1058
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,079
too, not a mountain lion,
a lion, it's a lin line.

1059
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:54,720
The lines are more dangerous. The
only way you have a chance with a

1060
01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:00,880
lion is if you let it.
Let you put your hand arm all the

1061
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,760
way in its throat. It's gonna
start biting you, biting the fuck out

1062
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:09,039
of you. But you just grab
on to the inside of that fucking line

1063
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:12,840
and ripping and just start ripping.
I feel like you would just go to

1064
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,560
rip and like your arm would just
be in the line. Still, it

1065
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,439
wouldn't be you know, it'd be
a right life or death situation. You

1066
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,279
are in the jaws of a shark. You survive in that like you're gonna

1067
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:26,560
take the already in the jaws what's
in the jaw? How far the sharks

1068
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,600
coming at you? Are you you
gotta punch in the nose? Yeah?

1069
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,199
Not, I actually think statistically it's
it's more like ninety ten that you live.

1070
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:45,039
Yeah, a little Joseph Gordon Levitt
Cancer movie. Yeah sick, got

1071
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:48,039
a Sophie's choice on that graph.
The guy who tweeted that outs I tweeted

1072
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:54,880
back at him about this. Um
people wildly overestimate and eagles strength. Eagles

1073
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,720
are small and little bitches. Yeah, just let me make the ones that

1074
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,479
killed deer. There is an eagle
that takes down like uh like teenage deers.

1075
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,119
Ter me, Yeah, unless it's
that one, like a bald eagle,

1076
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:11,840
No problems that fucking zappados, Like, what the fuck? How big

1077
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,319
it's this eagle? It's fucking huge, joel. We looked at up.

1078
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:17,079
I don't remember the name of it, but some type of wild as eagle.

1079
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:23,960
It's in like Kazakhstan, Kazakstan with
not a real place in my eyes.

1080
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,960
Well that's fun. Oh shit,
Yeah, I told you, dude,

1081
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:34,840
the Kazakhstan eagle. I told you
this thing like Merk's deer. It's

1082
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:40,439
they like they have like okay,
falcon equivalent of or the eagle equivalent of

1083
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,000
falconers for these things. Yeah,
yeah, it's fucking wild. I don't

1084
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,600
know if i'd want to fight that. I'll fight an American bald eagle.

1085
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,760
Yeah, that's no problem. Yeah, I got to get rescued fighting the

1086
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,199
symbol of freedom. But I'm taking
that that's the symbol of freedom so weak.

1087
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:55,560
When turkeys aren't endangered and we eat
those NonStop, we should have just

1088
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,239
had turkeys as the National bird was
supposed to be. It wasn't shit.

1089
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:03,840
Turkeys are deceptive, sneaking a little
bastard. You ever go turkey hunting.

1090
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,439
I've never got turkey hunting, but
I've been around wild turkeys, and they're

1091
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,760
fucking weird. I hate them.
They're terrifying. They look like aliens,

1092
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,880
dude, the way they like it
might be they look like aliens and dinosaur.

1093
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,560
What's an animal on this planet that
you are convinced as like an alien?

1094
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,960
Turkeys probably something to watch. Any
kind of cephalopod I would imagine,

1095
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:27,079
yeah, or mollusk or anything like
that. Um, all right, so

1096
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,880
back to cats. All great.
Octopus, Yeah, octopus for sure,

1097
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,600
that's not what the fuck is that. It's got a beak, po tentacle

1098
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:41,159
like squitch shooting that. No,
get out of here with that. You're

1099
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:45,479
telling me that just that came from
something. Yeah, what was the genetic

1100
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,720
benefit the squirting ink and having a
bird beak? None of it makes it

1101
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,840
now, None of it's no zero
there's something you know, what sucks about

1102
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:59,399
saying that just now some fucking cryptozoologist
or something's gonna be like actual or yeah

1103
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:01,199
it's an actual there's an actually answer
for it. Well, the actually guy

1104
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:05,479
probably fucked it and probably was in
the documentary, Uh, doctor octopus or

1105
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:12,319
doctor whatever the fuck was doctor?
Ohto doctor or not doc doc? But

1106
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,880
like, there was a documentary just
came out about a guy who just kept

1107
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,880
deep sea diving and oh myopus,
octopus. Watch, it's gonna make me

1108
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,000
sad. He was in love with
it. I'm pretty sure he fucked that

1109
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:30,000
octopus anyway. So cats, all
these animals that we talked about that were

1110
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:33,840
domesticated look pretty different from their counterparts, except for fucking cats. Cats look

1111
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:40,560
almost exactly like the African wildcat,
the f libika. Um, I'll pull

1112
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,800
it up for you, because it
just looks like a big version of a

1113
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,520
house cat. It's what does a
big version mean? How big is it?

1114
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,640
Um? I'm talking like probably thirty
to forty pounds versus So there is

1115
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,359
a cat you can still get now
that is that big. It's like a

1116
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,319
fuck I forget the name of it. It's some weird cat. But there's

1117
01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:00,039
people who have it, and sometimes
those cats will get out and it's a

1118
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:04,119
totally normal cat. It's not like
owning a fox or something random like it's

1119
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:08,199
legal to own. That's that's what
an African wild cow look's like. Okay,

1120
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,640
it's just a bigger cat cat.
It's just a bigger ass cat.

1121
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,399
They didn't change much at all.
And so the reason why I'm saying fuck

1122
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,600
cats is I don't think we domesticated
them, period. Yeah, they domesticated

1123
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,800
at us. They might have domestic
They actually did kind of domesticate us.

1124
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,600
And it's gonna get real weird here
for a minute. So what happened?

1125
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,039
How do we get cats? We
don't see a lot of like, uh,

1126
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,479
I'm not even really gonna talk about
like they're just like they're just like

1127
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,520
a cute girl at the bar that's
like broke, And I was like,

1128
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,680
oh my god, who are you? You're so funny. They toiltrate your

1129
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,079
brain, like literally right talking about
talks about plasmos. Yeah. Yeah,

1130
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,439
so they just come up and they're
like hi, like I'm you know,

1131
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,600
they act sweet, and they get
drink you know, yeah, for sure

1132
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,279
they get drinks off of you.
Well, and then they shit in a

1133
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:56,359
box in your house. Yep.
Um cats. You know. Obviously we

1134
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,680
know that they were tamed in Egypt. They were tamed probably the most the

1135
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,000
old oldest indication of cats being tamed, it is probably in the Near East

1136
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,600
around Egypt, and I think southern
oh okay, southern Cyprus dating to about

1137
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,640
seventy five to seventy two hundred BC
is when we see like the first evidence

1138
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,479
of domestication randomly. Yeah, probably
means it didn't happen there, didn't start

1139
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,640
it definitely didn't. That's the earliest
remains we see of it. So where

1140
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,840
the fuck did they come from?
There? It's not like they just showed

1141
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,920
it up. They probably were brought
from the Egypt was a full functioning civilization

1142
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,239
and seafaring seven thousand, seven thousand
years ago that you said seven thousand BC,

1143
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,319
Yeah, I mean the Old Old
Kingdom starts at like nine thousand.

1144
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,439
If they came from an island,
then I guess Timothy Dexter kind of had

1145
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,000
it. You know, I was
working with a little bit more than we

1146
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,880
give him credit for sending cats to
another island. Yeah, he's probably sending

1147
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,960
cats to Cyprus seven thousand years ago. I mean, we don't know all

1148
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:54,359
of these to say otherwise. According
to a recent study by Claudio Antoni,

1149
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:59,640
cat domestication took place in two strains
though, so we know for a fact

1150
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,800
it was one place in North Africa
and also one spot in South Southwest Asia.

1151
01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:06,439
Same kind of cat though, so
like pretty much just like the same

1152
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:12,439
kind of cat were domesticated over two
different instances twice, like in different periods

1153
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,960
of time cats were domesticated. Yeah, they're not done. No, but

1154
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:19,119
here's the thing that's right when we
start seeing modern agriculture start up, and

1155
01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:25,800
like they eat pests around grain storage, right, that's what That's what cat

1156
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,920
domestication all boils down to. They're
eating where the rats were. Yeah,

1157
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,920
and when the rats were all one, they just ate our food and so

1158
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,760
really, oh well they kept all
the cats away, Like let's do that.

1159
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,319
And we were actually talking about this
and I more or less confirmed it

1160
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,800
cats being killed and associated with witches
probably led to the black plague, yes,

1161
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,159
because they were not eating the grain
storage pests. Yeah. So in

1162
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:51,359
the Middle Ages, right before the
Black Death hit, and the first black

1163
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:57,000
death was I the first the one
that they think for sure was Justinian's plague,

1164
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,119
which we talked about in our episode
about the worst four years to be

1165
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,800
alive or whatever. Um, they
think that was probably the first black death

1166
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:08,039
that was in the five hundreds,
the big, big, big black death

1167
01:16:08,199 --> 01:16:15,600
bouponic plague breakout that happened in the
Middle Ages. Um happened because for whatever

1168
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,600
reason, the church or some local
iteration of the church, certain archdiocese or

1169
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:28,840
whatever, We're like cats are are
are for witches and and and so they're

1170
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,720
part of the devil and I don't
know, just kill them. And people

1171
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,840
were like okay, and so they
started catching cats and killing them. Why

1172
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:41,359
were like all bishop and papal decisions
back then just awful, just like backwards

1173
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,319
logic. I don't know. I'm
glad we freed the Holy Land, sure

1174
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:51,560
you did? We really know,
no one got anything that they wanted.

1175
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:58,000
They sacked they killed the Eastern Roman
Empire and and didn't really do anything good.

1176
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:00,800
For the Holy Yeah, there's a
fucking nightmare. But anyway, Yeah,

1177
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,760
so there's certain sects of certain areas
of Europe where like, yeah,

1178
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:09,399
cats at the devil and um her
work for the devil and they killed cats

1179
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,920
and there were more rats and then
the fleas on the rats and um the

1180
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:15,560
plague. Yeah, so that's a
hypothesis, it's not it's not like confirmed.

1181
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,000
I shouldn't say that that's not confirmed
that there's also stone cold fact.

1182
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:23,720
Yeah, no, it's fact now. Um. But also, like Marmont

1183
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:27,039
was the other thing that was carrying
played quite a bit back then too.

1184
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,800
Marmont, Marmont, Marmont, Marmot, Marmot. Is it Marmot Marmot.

1185
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,079
I don't know. It's one of
those things. Yeah, one of the

1186
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:45,319
things that started COVID fucking Also alien
animal, don't know what scaly ant eaters

1187
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:50,319
flop, it's sand shrew, it's
it's it is But with the art reference

1188
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:54,880
there, yeah, but has an
art vark nose yeah yeah. Um.

1189
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:59,560
Also platypuses are oh you mean the
mammals that lay eggs and are poisonous.

1190
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,399
They are poisonous, yeah, but
have no but have no natural predator,

1191
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,199
don't so why is it poisonous?
Don't fuck with it? Yeah, just

1192
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:10,439
don't. Don't ask questions. Keep
walking. I can't take If you see

1193
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,840
a platypus in nature, walk away, I'll kill you. I'll kill a

1194
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,399
platypus, But I'm he's gonna take
me out on the way out. You

1195
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,119
know about if I talked about in
the podcast for the Russian guy who was

1196
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:25,560
killed by a beaver, did you
find beaver marks? He was filming a

1197
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,800
beaver and the beaver ran up and
bit him in the leg and severed his

1198
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,720
femoral art rate. You look at
at brouh and that's the last led out

1199
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,399
on a gravel road. This is
the last one. Yeah, I mean

1200
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,840
no, it's I've seen the video. Is that like a snuff film?

1201
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,479
Technically? If he's filming the beaver
and the beaver kills him, I guess

1202
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,560
I don't know. You can.
They might still be online. You can

1203
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,920
google it. Pardon me, I'm
gonna look at that. Yeah, that

1204
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,720
was just something nucky. That's like
Sean Taylor getting shot in the leg.

1205
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But
last last thing, just real quick about

1206
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,159
cat domestication. There's really not much
to cover. It's kind of amazing.

1207
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:02,000
It's like, yeah, they did
some spectication. The midges tabby cats are

1208
01:19:02,039 --> 01:19:06,119
showing up for a pattern specificity,
but really all they ever did was hunt

1209
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:12,119
little rats and shit. So like
there weren't like work cats and hunting cats.

1210
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:16,000
No, they have no useful purpose
like keeping pass away. Yeah.

1211
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,159
So there was one other domestication event
that they think might have been happening in

1212
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:27,560
China. Um, it was a
potential instance of cat domestication. This guy

1213
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,239
studied skeletal remains of cats in China
and found that there may have been a

1214
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:35,319
short lived domestication of leopards in China. That's imagine why it was short lived.

1215
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:40,560
They were trying to domesticate leopards.
Yeah, unless they were like tiny

1216
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,079
snow leopards, I can't imagine that's
the way to get Probably quite a few

1217
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,079
eating children. Yeah, a lot
of times during that period too, there's

1218
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:50,520
a lot of like missing finger people
like people are just missing Interesting, what

1219
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,760
a coincidence. It's like, huh, maybe not the best thing to domestic

1220
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:58,000
That's why I was so short lived. Um well, they probably at some

1221
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,720
point we're like, wow, if
we got this fucking big asked wolf to

1222
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,199
do it and that's because this big
ass leopard to do it. That's all

1223
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:08,279
the domestication talk I'm gonna do as
far as like theories and just the processes

1224
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:11,239
of it, Okay, because this
is I'm literally just taking you down my

1225
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:13,920
rabbit hole. I did a week
right. Um. Then I was just

1226
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,520
like, what are the dumbest things
anyone's ever owned as a pet? Okay,

1227
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,479
and we're gonna end on that because
there's some of my favorite are in

1228
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,920
here. Perfect. Yeah, I
like this. All right, We're gonna

1229
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,279
talk at the chimpanzee. Lady Chimpanzee, she was a little modern pretty much.

1230
01:20:27,279 --> 01:20:30,840
She extremely modern. The one who
was giving her chimp like prozac and

1231
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,039
shit, is that is that not
Jane? No Jingo Doll was not giving

1232
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:43,079
them good at all. Yeah,
Actually lady was not giving gorillas SSR eyes,

1233
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:45,680
So no. Uh. The first
thing we're gonna talk about is Lucius

1234
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,560
Linneus Marina. He was a Roman
council in sixty two BC. Uh.

1235
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:56,800
He was notorious for keeping six thousand
more eels as pets and special pools around

1236
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:02,479
his property and uh guess what you
used to was for fucking killing slaves.

1237
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,840
He threw felt like a murder situation. Yeah, he threw slaves into the

1238
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:13,239
eel pit and they would eat the
slaves. Yeah, they would feed them.

1239
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,840
They would feed them live slaves.
Immediately. I didn't haranha situation.

1240
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,359
There wasn't video footage of it.
Yeah, but um I imagined it wasn't

1241
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:25,319
like there wasn't a fresco or a
mosaic of it. Yeah, there wasn't

1242
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:28,560
a what is it like a not
a nickelodeon, but a viewfinder, Like

1243
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,239
if you run past the stone drawings
fast enough, do you get a view

1244
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,760
of it? Uh? Yeah,
No. So we'd feed them the live

1245
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,640
slaves. And are all eels electric
or is that just a specific eel specific

1246
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,039
type? Yeah, that's actually not
even an eel. The electric eel's not

1247
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:45,159
a neil at all. Well I've
been lied to, Yes you have.

1248
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,720
Actually, he was so known for
keeping so many eels that his surname Marena

1249
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,800
is actually the genus name of twelve
species of eel. Oh wow, yeah,

1250
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,479
well that's fun for him. Glad, glad. He has a good

1251
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,880
history. Weird that, like the
annals of history littered with like something that

1252
01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:01,159
you're like, oh, I wonder
why that's called that? That eel has

1253
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:05,039
called that genus. Why, well, it's one console. He really liked

1254
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:09,159
feendus slaves to six thousand eels.
Maybe cancel that, gay, Yeah,

1255
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:12,039
maybe we cancel that type of deal. We're gonna show him. Well,

1256
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:15,000
I think it's okay because the Romans
took slaves of all color. Yeah,

1257
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:18,760
not just one color, all color. So he's fine, he gets the

1258
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,960
pass. That's fair. Yeah.
Um, no, slavery is off.

1259
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,520
Do we take six thousand kneels over
ten thousand rats? Oh? Water,

1260
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,880
if it's outside of the water,
I got it. I got the six

1261
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,239
thousand eels. Yeah, no problem, in a chair and let them die.

1262
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:39,119
Yeah, all right. The next
funny, The next funny pet is

1263
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:45,479
Uh so the pope Leo the tenth
was coordinated. God, please let me

1264
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,279
say the right coordinated? Uh?
Collorination Yeah, coordinated. Uh, he's

1265
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:55,560
coordinated. Popes are coordinated. There, there's no coordinated by popes. Yeah,

1266
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,119
popes aren't coordinated. I don't know
what the term for pope ye like

1267
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:02,039
white smoke is released, white smoked
it? Yeah, the Popelo the tenth

1268
01:23:02,119 --> 01:23:05,760
was white smoked, and coordinate is
the correct term just in general. But

1269
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,760
that's not what you do. He
had send it the pope anyway, Yeah,

1270
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,680
the white smoke went out. Leah
the tenth is out of the pope.

1271
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,439
He received a white elephant and in
fifteen fourteen from King Manuel the first

1272
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,399
Portugal who had obtained it during travels
in India names Hanno. The elephant was

1273
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,960
well trained and able to understand orders
in Indian and Portuguese. So this would

1274
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,960
be like probably on the on the
cost of captivity to domestication. But Hannah

1275
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,079
died after seven because they didn't know
how to keep it alive. Yeah,

1276
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:39,359
they can get medicine with gold in
it because they thought I was a magic

1277
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,880
elephant, right, because it was
and died. They're supposed to live.

1278
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:46,520
There's one thing the Catholic Church respects. It's magic. Yes, of course,

1279
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,960
so you have to do what the
magic elephant wants. Clearly you need

1280
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:56,199
in order to survive as a domesticated
elephant. You need like Instagram girls comment

1281
01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:59,880
over to your country and just riding
them for you know, several hours,

1282
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:02,680
sure, taking photos. I rode
this tortured animal. That's the thing.

1283
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:08,119
You're not supposed to ride the elephants, right, they're all fucking like not

1284
01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:12,279
happy about living that life. Yeah, they should do that. Yeah,

1285
01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:14,840
you shouldn't do that. It's way
different by the way, with horses.

1286
01:24:15,279 --> 01:24:21,239
So like I've seen this on Facebook
now yeah I am uh yes, they've

1287
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:25,640
seen this on face from time to
time when people like fuck these people,

1288
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,119
these carriage people who like make the
horses do that like they are. Probably

1289
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,560
there was a time in history probably
where it was kind of shitty to capture

1290
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,479
those horses and make them do that. Time is long gone. Yeah,

1291
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:42,439
these horses have been bred for thousands
of years at this point, into or

1292
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,199
even hundreds of years for this point
into where they actually enjoy doing the job.

1293
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:49,199
They like know how to do the
job, and they go if you

1294
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:53,560
just like leave them in a field, they go fucking insane and live shorter

1295
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,239
lives and get stressed out. Yeah, because they're being underworked. Yeah yeah,

1296
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,479
no, it's like work dogs go
nuts without the proper yeah, like

1297
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,319
stimulation. Um. Also, people
are like, I can't believe we'd shaved

1298
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:06,520
these sheep for their fleece. It's
like if we didn't, they would be

1299
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:11,520
fucked. Yeah, we've read them
to overproduce this stuff, so if us

1300
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,199
not shaving them for hot yeah,
they would fucking die. Like actually have

1301
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:18,600
those videos on the dodo a lot, or to be like someone adopts like

1302
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,399
a neglected sheep that just looks like
a fucking nightmare. Yeah, that's just

1303
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:28,239
like a nappy ball. It's like
grease. Yeah, and it's disgusting and

1304
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:31,680
they need to be sheared in order. So yeah, I mean, I'm

1305
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,239
pretty sure Hannibal wrote his elephant into
battle. That's a battle elephant. That's

1306
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:40,520
different. Yeah, the chough elephant. Yeah six, they all pretty much

1307
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,880
died in the Alps, by the
way, I'm pretty sure they would all.

1308
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:46,640
I mean those little narrow like sidewalks, imagine it's like trying to drive.

1309
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:54,399
Weren't a lot of roads in the
dn't. I'd imagine just the elephant.

1310
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,159
The choice of dan if you could, you do the Elephant's a great

1311
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,960
was a great war tool to a
certain extent. However, huge target.

1312
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:05,680
Uh you don't march it through you
just, yeah, you don't. That's

1313
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,279
not how you use it. I
was gonna say, why would you use

1314
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:12,079
an elephant to go through a mountain? Now you don't. That makes no

1315
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,520
sense. And also elephants were like
a funny war tool because they were really

1316
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,239
easy to spook. Yeah, mice, Uh, yeah, pigs too.

1317
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,760
Yeah. Oh really, there was
one tactic and I learned this total war

1318
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,680
so I don't know how accurate it
is, but it is slightly accurate for

1319
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,359
sure, but that they would send, Yeah, they would send to spook

1320
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:32,920
the elephants. There, it's a
war pigs at them. Oh my god,

1321
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,640
wait a minute, is that what
the Black Sabbits do? You know

1322
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,920
what a war pig is? No, what's a war pig. It's a

1323
01:26:39,119 --> 01:26:42,920
greased up pig the light on fire. So they would just send They would

1324
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,880
grease up pigs and light them on
fire and send them at the elephants,

1325
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,840
and the elephants would freak the fuck
the elephants who know how to handle that?

1326
01:26:48,119 --> 01:26:51,960
Yeah? Yeah, the elephants were
mentally equipped to handle that? What

1327
01:26:53,159 --> 01:26:57,319
just happened with because like, elephants
are pretty smart, Yeah, they recognize

1328
01:26:57,359 --> 01:27:00,079
faces and things like that fucking pan
fried bacon running towards you. Yeah,

1329
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,159
he's like it smells grit. Oh
no, yeah, what did the humans

1330
01:27:03,239 --> 01:27:08,000
do this time? They sent a
little flame piggy umping on their own people?

1331
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:12,079
So, uh, sixteenth century astronomer
Tycho God, I'm gonna say this

1332
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:15,079
wrong, Tycho Brahey, whatever,
Brahi had a pet moose, who had

1333
01:27:15,079 --> 01:27:18,840
a reputation as a party animal that
could drink any of brad He's human friends

1334
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,159
under the table. Um. But
yeah, probably Yeah it was a fucking

1335
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:26,880
moose, right, so yeah,
it got too drunk at a party though,

1336
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:29,880
and fell down some stairs and died. Oh I thought it was You're

1337
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,159
gonna say, like killed eight people
it was a moose, moose or fucking

1338
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:36,800
assholes? Um yeah, Like you
don't want to get near a moose.

1339
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:41,479
People don't realize how big they are
too, Like moose are gigantic. Yeah,

1340
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,880
I've I've seen the like I'll see
the videos of it, and it's

1341
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,319
like that thing could just destroy like
you, that will destroy your car without

1342
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:54,880
trying, Like yeah, um so
uh. Napoleon Bonaparte had a Bonaparte whatever

1343
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:00,439
you want to call his, I
guess. Wife Josephine favorite pet was a

1344
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,039
female ringating that would join her at
the bar, or in or at dinner.

1345
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:10,840
The ringating would wear white cotton and
reportedly had impeccable manners and a taste

1346
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:15,079
for turnips. She also had other
exotic pets, including emu, black swans,

1347
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:16,439
and kangaroos. Okay, see,
I'm a fan of like the little

1348
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:23,760
shoulder monkey that you can train to
pickpocket people. Yes, yeah, it's

1349
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,239
the one from India Jones. I
think there's one in Sherlock Holmes too.

1350
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,800
I'm sure there's a character with a
little monkey on a shoulder. But really,

1351
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:33,760
there's a lot of movies pre like
that take place before the twentieth century,

1352
01:28:34,199 --> 01:28:39,199
or like the World War two that
just yeah, feature a monkey,

1353
01:28:39,359 --> 01:28:43,560
a thieving monkey. Ye weird?
How do they get that reputation? You

1354
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,439
gotta think there's some truth. I
mean, I'm almost positive people do train

1355
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:51,479
small monkeys to steal things. Sometimes
monkeys do steel shit just in general on

1356
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:56,359
their own do No. I actually
did see a video once recently of in

1357
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,039
like India or Pakistan or something of
like two The weren't trained monkeys. It

1358
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,680
was just two monkeys like stealing from
these little kids, and one started like

1359
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,920
dragging the little kid down the street
for a minute, just because the kid

1360
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,439
wouldn't give up the ship. I
think, so yeah, wow, um,

1361
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,399
I don't want monkeys too human adjacent. Yeah, honestly, would you

1362
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:20,119
eat the monkey? No, I'm
not eating a monkey. There's too much

1363
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:27,239
there's too much literary warning about that. Yeah, I don't know if I'm

1364
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,680
eating monkey what happens if you eat
a monkey spot? No, it's not

1365
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,640
a monkey's paw that you eat.
It's just a dried monkey pot. It's

1366
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,840
like a mummified monkey paw and you
it's magical. You can wish on it.

1367
01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:43,560
But what if you could like and
it's never what you want? No?

1368
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,479
Yeah, there's always a twist with
the monkeys pot. But what I'm

1369
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,319
saying is you ate the monkeys paw, hate the thing. Yeah, it

1370
01:29:48,319 --> 01:29:50,880
couldn't be good for you. I
don't know. No one's ever tried,

1371
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:54,239
do you What if you ate it
and you wished on stuff and it like

1372
01:29:54,279 --> 01:30:01,319
tickled your knees? Uh? In
nineteenth century poet. When nineteenth century poet

1373
01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:05,800
Lord Byron was attending cambridges Trinity College, the university for bade pet dogs on

1374
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:11,119
the premises, Lord Biro was pretty
pissed about that because he wanted to bring

1375
01:30:11,359 --> 01:30:15,199
his beloved dog boat Swing. So
he checked the rules and saw that it

1376
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:19,520
only applied to canines, So he
brought a bear to be his roommate in

1377
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:25,000
college in the nineteenth century. Okay, yeah they didn't. They quickly admitted

1378
01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:27,119
that rule. Oh yeah, yeah
they were. They were like, well,

1379
01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,319
here's a paid tuition. So first
off, bears are great training partners

1380
01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:34,239
for wrestling. Look at hibibe.
Um. Again, that reference goes over

1381
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:38,000
your head because you guys don't really
watch. There were someone that trains with

1382
01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:42,079
the bear. Uh twenty nine now, um one of the best one five

1383
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:45,680
ers ever do it. He there's
a video of him as a child wrestling

1384
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,640
the bear. How big is the
bear? It's like cob Okay. Yeah,

1385
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,840
but again, I mean, we
train these bears to entertain us,

1386
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:57,239
and I think they need a fair
shake. What does that mean? Yeah,

1387
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,760
fight some one for real? Not
I mean, I mean they should

1388
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,319
be able to entertain. They should
be able to ride motorcycles. I'm sorry.

1389
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:09,119
Do you remember in Techon when there
was just a bear in the game,

1390
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,920
Well, he was a bear man? No, there was one where

1391
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,960
it was just a bear. There
was just a bear, and then there

1392
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,960
was a lion man or there was
a line man. I'm pretty sure,

1393
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:17,439
yeah, But I just always remember
picking. I was like, why would

1394
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,600
I not pick the giant grizzly bear. He slow? He was slow.

1395
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:25,000
It's very slow for teching, not
as good any if that was a real

1396
01:31:25,039 --> 01:31:27,560
fight where I got to pick between
a live bear and just like I don't

1397
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,760
know, Kimbo slice or something like
that, right, And that's the thing

1398
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,840
that's always an argument that pops up
on the internet every five years is like

1399
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:38,479
grizzly bear or polar bear versus like
a gorilla. Oh and I like for

1400
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,399
a long time, I was always
on the gorilla side because I'm like,

1401
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,279
he's smarter, he's got the strength
to decompress a tire over his head.

1402
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,119
Um, Grizzly bear fucks it up, I think so. Polar bear two,

1403
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:55,520
Um, obviously when the bigger,
stronger, and uh, but they

1404
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:00,279
do have a coca cola problem.
Um, so probably have diabetes. Have

1405
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,920
you heard the three rules for bear
encounters? If it's black, get back,

1406
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,760
if it's brown, get down,
if it's white. Could not,

1407
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,079
No, black bears are fucking pussies, Like, yeah, black bear,

1408
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,439
I mean you just kind of wave
your arms like I've seen videos of like

1409
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,600
dogs the size of my dogs,
like scaring black bears the fuck you essentially

1410
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:23,159
docile. But you shouldn't like domesticate
a black bear. I'm sure I actually

1411
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:26,119
think you probably can. Didn't they
do that? And more? Didn't we

1412
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:30,279
have an episode where we talked about
like a fucking war bear that like in

1413
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:32,640
World War two, they just had
a bear he smoked. Probably, yeah,

1414
01:32:33,279 --> 01:32:36,560
yeah, they do smoke a lot
of stuff happened in World Yeah anyway,

1415
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:41,279
Umi war Like, you can bomb
a sig off your pet bear.

1416
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,520
That's pretty cool. That'd be cool. If you had a pet bear,

1417
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,560
they could go get you six.
He probably does. You could train them

1418
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,159
to get your say, just go
it like here's five like my body in

1419
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,000
the fraternity. Um, he trained
his dog to get him a beer out

1420
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,800
of the fridge. Yeah, we
did that too. With the work.

1421
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,720
Though, you could easily convince a
bear to stop at your local seven eleven

1422
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,079
and pick you up a peck milks. It's the liability for everything between the

1423
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:05,520
seven to eleven in your home that's
the problem. Like, given him hard

1424
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:11,720
currency, he might fuck it up
with his claws, so you gotta give

1425
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,399
him the card. Maybe I'll I
would actually say, yeah, put an

1426
01:33:15,399 --> 01:33:21,199
apple, you just gotta yeah,
you just drive you pop? Yeah good.

1427
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,199
Uh. There were gators at the
Wife how White House. Herbert Hoover's

1428
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:29,840
son Allen, had a pair of
pet alligators, but John Quincy Adams was

1429
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,279
in office and the Marquis de Lafayette
visited the country and gifted he essentially had

1430
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:36,960
pet alligators at UCF. I mean, yeah, we so like Lake Claire

1431
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:40,640
has a lake of alliga. Yeah, we have tons of alligators. Yea

1432
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:44,960
insane Central Florida UCFU where I went
to school, obviously, Uh, there's

1433
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,800
a bunch of lakes. He can
paddleboard and kayak and shit, And we

1434
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:53,880
just knew there were several alligators in
the little lake and they would kind of

1435
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,960
come up to you and they wouldn't
do anything, just kind of like bump

1436
01:33:57,039 --> 01:33:59,760
in you. How big were that? Oh? Tiny? Right? They're

1437
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:00,960
not? No, No, there
was, dude, there was at least

1438
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,119
a seven flotter. It was pretty
fucking big. It was terrifying at first,

1439
01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:08,239
but then avertised alligator after a while, you kind of like get used

1440
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:11,279
alligators when you're when you're obviously from
the northeast, I had no fucking I

1441
01:34:11,319 --> 01:34:13,159
mean, you don't want to be
around them in general, but like,

1442
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:15,800
yeah, if it's the daytime,
you're probably after about two years I got

1443
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,000
used alligators. I'm like, these
guys are lazy, they don't want to

1444
01:34:18,039 --> 01:34:21,359
do that. You just you just
don't go out at dusk when there's gators

1445
01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:27,840
around, right, Yeah, day
gators get yeah dey gators like lazy getting

1446
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,880
sun when they mate and when they
eat is like dusk, and that's when

1447
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,720
you don't fuck with them. Um. But yeah, so John Quincy Adams

1448
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,479
apparently would throw it just kind of
kept the alligator that the French guy brought

1449
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,399
over in a bathtub in the eastern
bathroom perfect, and so he would just

1450
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,319
let it chill there and not tell
people when they'd go to take a piss

1451
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,560
over there. See that thing a
frenchman gave it to me, Yeah,

1452
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:55,000
pretty sure. I saw that scene
in Viva Labam. Teddy Roosevelt had a

1453
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:59,000
whole fuck kind of just wild ass
dogs living in the White House. On

1454
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:02,920
Teddy roose had a badger as well. He would just adopt it like any

1455
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,640
animal you could think of was living
in the White House with Teddy roads.

1456
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:10,359
Badgers are essentially wolverines, right they're
but pretty much lawn for a while was

1457
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,079
just mowed by sheep. Really.
Yeah, we got some redneck history,

1458
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,680
huh. At the White House were
redeck swamp. Yeah, that's true.

1459
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:24,000
It isn't a swamp. Um.
Salvador Dali had a oslot named Baboo and

1460
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:29,239
there's actually a reference that an archer. Yeah yeah, and then um yeah,

1461
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:30,439
there's there's some other weird pets.
But you know, honestly, I

1462
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,520
feel like I talked about domestication.
I went down my weird pet rabbit hole.

1463
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:38,319
Um there's one thing on rabbits that
was really weird too, that had

1464
01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:41,760
to do with like Catholics being the
reason why rabbits are even a domesticated animal.

1465
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,359
Now what's that. Uh, someone
decided that a rabbit was a fish

1466
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,359
and not a meat, and monks
were like, oh fuck yeah, yeah,

1467
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,800
so so we can eat them,
right, they are land fish.

1468
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,920
There's this Catolicoi indorset. I don't
think there's a difference between bunnies and rabbits.

1469
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,279
It's because there's not. I was
gonna say, like domesticated pets that

1470
01:36:02,359 --> 01:36:05,960
are rabbits or pet bunnies, and
then a wild rabbit thing that's the same

1471
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:11,359
thing. Like you're saying, like
there's no difference between like a dog and

1472
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:15,560
a DOGO, Yeah there's not.
But I'm just saying we like domesticated rabbits.

1473
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,920
I guess actually we should call any
animal that can't like we Honestly,

1474
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,920
kind of didn't domestic. Yeah,
you're right. Actually every person I knew,

1475
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,800
like as a child, I wanted
to get the fuck out. Everyone

1476
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,159
had a pet rabbit. It always
bit me. That's not run away.

1477
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:34,119
The rabbits there there. They don't
like to be I had a pet rabbit

1478
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,560
for a minute. They don't really
like you that much. No, Like

1479
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:41,880
they will piss wherever, like they
did not potty trained. If you put

1480
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,720
them outside, they will just run
the fuck away to go live their lives.

1481
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,159
Man. There was a kid that
had like pet rabbits in my elementary

1482
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:51,920
school. He lived on the farm, and like he was like, yeah,

1483
01:36:53,039 --> 01:36:55,279
my rabbit died. I was like, what happened is like aunts ate

1484
01:36:55,359 --> 01:36:58,039
it? I was like, holy
shit, how did you find that?

1485
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,399
He's like it was just being eaten
by ants in its case, that's the

1486
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,600
most fun. Had already been dead
then yeah, like the ants didn't come

1487
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,720
in and murder kill it. Yeah. But like as a seven year old

1488
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,840
or eight year old, I didn't
quite understand that. So it's like,

1489
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,199
wait, like ants just I didn't
have anything on horses in there, mister

1490
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,720
horses. Actually a lot of people
were like, oh, or horses.

1491
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:23,079
The first thing we domesticate. It's
like, no, absolutely not. No,

1492
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,439
honestly, the first thing we domesticated. Dogs are by far the first

1493
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,680
thing we domesticated, and that's the
only animal I think we domesticated prior to

1494
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,920
agriculture, the agricultural Revolution. Yeah. So yeah, No, I didn't

1495
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,520
really get into horses. I was
more I've read about that fox thing.

1496
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,840
I started reading about doggos, I
read about fucking cats, I read about

1497
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,960
weird episode. I could talk about
horses, but yeah, I didn't.

1498
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,960
We go, Um, what's one
animal, if you could domesticate it,

1499
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,520
that you would like to have as
a pet. Oh, that's a good

1500
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:57,399
question, Daniel, and I will
answer last. Okay, I guess I'll

1501
01:37:57,399 --> 01:37:59,760
go first. I mean I want
the fox, and I know it's been

1502
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,560
like slightly domesticated. It's like,
it's pretty much the message, you can

1503
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,720
you can get a pet fox.
You can buy a pet fox. Yeah.

1504
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:10,399
Well, there's still one problem with
foxes that people don't realize. Yes,

1505
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,239
they smell awful like that. We
haven't solved the odor problem yet.

1506
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:17,800
Yeah, and they get their scent
everywhere, allegedly, like when you bring

1507
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,399
it into the house and everything,
it'll piss all over and like apparently like

1508
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:25,720
people who do own foxes, like
you can smell it from the driveway,

1509
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,319
like that my fox living in the
house. Yeah, that's gross. I

1510
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:30,800
wonder what the smell is like.
So, I mean, yeah, it's

1511
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:35,359
not great, so like full it
is not really fully domesticated yet because they

1512
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:41,760
haven't abandoned that fair enough. So
you you would go with the fox.

1513
01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:46,960
Mm probably alligator. Yeah, let
me come on, dude, I'm gui.

1514
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:53,119
Yeah no, I just roll in
to work on a fucking it just

1515
01:38:53,279 --> 01:38:57,119
runs up. You want like a
little Loki crocodile, like yeah, yeah,

1516
01:38:57,239 --> 01:39:00,199
yeah, I want like a fucking
fat gator. It's like, what's

1517
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:02,840
up, jeth Row? You just
want to be Yeah, you get I

1518
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,479
mean it's not really domescut. I
guess you just get a small camen and

1519
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,600
I don't want that. Yeah,
I want one that does like tricks and

1520
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:11,720
hangs with me on the couch.
I can pet. It's a little weird

1521
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,319
scalely head, that's what I want. You just want to be that scene

1522
01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:16,800
in Atlanta when he goes to his
uncle's. Yes, it's like, don't

1523
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,800
go in there. You got a
gator. I would go jaguar, Jaguar.

1524
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,159
Yeah, jaguars are sick. They're
cool animals. Um, so if

1525
01:39:26,199 --> 01:39:29,399
I could train him to like just
come back with prey or like, oh

1526
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,760
cat, change, change jaguar.
I just want big cat. Yeah,

1527
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,239
giant cat that's gonna fucking mark whatever
it stalks, and it just brings you

1528
01:39:36,319 --> 01:39:40,399
back some leftovers Like that would kind
of suck tho, like you're like,

1529
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,520
oh, yeah, brought me a
gift to it, and you go outside.

1530
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:48,720
I don't think that's domesticated though,
right, it doesn't hurt humans,

1531
01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:53,840
but like you can hurt animals,
and I would argue, like back to

1532
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,560
your your whole cat point, like
they still do that shit. Yeah,

1533
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,640
like when you release a dog,
you're saying like they would probably not survive

1534
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,359
because they're so used to being fed
cats. No, no, oh,

1535
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:10,880
And we never talked about toxoplasmosis,
which I will real quick. Cats have

1536
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,520
a chemical in their peat that makes
other things want cats around. So it's

1537
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,760
a it's an evolutionary thing that makes
letter box in the house. That's how

1538
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,800
cat ladies, they think, become
cat ladies. Yep, they just keep

1539
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:27,600
accumulating cats because the toxoplasmosis of their
ex material brain. They deprogram you too.

1540
01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:30,119
Or they program you to want more
cats. It's pretty sick. That's

1541
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:33,640
pretty. They probably domesticate us more
than we domestic pretty sick, both in

1542
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:39,199
a cool way and a horrifying gross
way. It's sick and in every possible

1543
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:45,199
meaning way. They deprogram us with
their feces and piss. Yeah, yeah,

1544
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,479
into being like what is that?
Oh that animals? I will say,

1545
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,920
if you could fully domesticate like a
cool like little monkey, I would

1546
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:57,720
like that, dude, like in
a naboo situation. Can people have done

1547
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:02,920
it a little bit? What'd you
guys learned today? I learned that are

1548
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:09,520
we did we forced dogs to be
our friends? We might have there's a

1549
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:14,239
possibility. No, I think the
opposite. I learned that the answer is

1550
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,720
always complicated. Yeah, and it
was probably three like yeah, well,

1551
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,520
yeah, we did partially make dogs
be our friends, but also they were

1552
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,520
partially they were partially like oh look
I can go get from them, like

1553
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:30,199
honestly, and the Williams thing,
the only thing that the only hole in

1554
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:36,119
the Williams argument is that in a
lot of ways, the smartest, most

1555
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:42,960
adaptive animals take the easiest path.
Yeah, so why would they be why

1556
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,880
would it be Williams if like,
why would these animals suffer from some sort

1557
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:53,159
of canine version of Williams if they
took what was clearly the path of least

1558
01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:56,239
resistance to food and comfort? Yeah, they're like, whoa these guys.

1559
01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:00,560
That's all we gotta do. Is
that sounds caught natively advanced. Yeah,

1560
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,880
also for you know, tens of
thousands of years, if we've evolved together

1561
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:10,000
as a unit, us and dogs
and wolves and everything. People that don't

1562
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:13,359
like dogs, what's wrong with them? Yeah? They're fucked up. I'm

1563
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:17,680
at you, Veronica, you hate
dogs. There's also another grand Next employee

1564
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:23,319
or an employee, but grand Next
person that uh didn't like dogs either.

1565
01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:26,479
I heard who is that? Well, I'm not gonna say their name.

1566
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,359
I don't know if it's true or
not, but ronic has been on the

1567
01:42:28,399 --> 01:42:30,640
show multiple times, so you know
who she is. Not a fan dogs,

1568
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:36,079
dogs, even my tight dogs don't
get it. Yeah. Loves cats

1569
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,399
because you know what cats can probably
because cats aren't needy, they're independent,

1570
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:47,119
because get Pete on her brain.
Yeah. Well, uh, I'm Jake

1571
01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:49,760
Goldman. Thanks for listening. Oh
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1572
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,680
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1580
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:29,079
Uh, he gave topsy titties.
Yeah, like it's a chick,

1581
01:43:29,239 --> 01:43:32,840
It's a chick, tops titties.
Well, I'm Jake Goldman. I mean

1582
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:38,880
like just two human titties. And
for Rob Fox and Dan Vilchester, he

1583
01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:40,439
just got soft ser