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Yes, so we have an unusual title today. Do you just realize what
you said? Unusual title? That's what we do. Well, that's well,
that's true. This is even more Yeah, yes, we are talking
about uf This is interesting, I think. So the title for today's show
is Everybody in the Pool. Okay, so what on earth does that have
to do with UFOs. Well, I'll tell you when we were talking about
this before the show. It's not something I'm very familiar with. Like you,
hear so many different stories in the field of you know, UFO study,
but this isn't the most common. So I'm curious how many of our
listeners are really going to be familiar with this. Yes, and this certainly
caught me off guard. I'd heard of UFOs you know, hovering over water,
coming in and out of water. But well, let me jump right
in and tell you the story. This goes back to nineteen seventy five in
Grahamsville, New York. So what is that near, Mike? You you're
familiar with Grahamsville. Oh, now I'm on the spot where it was.
Is it Ulster County? I'm not sure? I think it is all right,
but it's in the Hudson Valley. Ye don't quote me, Okay,
So Grahamsville, New York. Google it. Nineteen seventy five. It's a
hot all night and a sixteen year old girl, Carol, who was the
witness I had spoken with. You know, a hot night, there's nothing
like taking a nice swim in the pool to cool off. She goes to
bed, and the next morning her father is yelling, hey, who let
all the water out of the pool? Because this nice, big above ground
pool only has a few inches of water left in it. So, I
don't know if you've ever had an above ground pool or you've been around them.
If they have a leak, it's an absolute mess. Yeah. I've
we never had one, but I have friends who've had them, and they've
had leaks, and you go up there and it's like you said, the
water is everywhere. The ground is soggy, it's soaking in. It's you
could tell, right, the water has left the pool and it's clearly soaking
into the ground right, mud and puddles and it's an absolute mess. Well,
the kids all said, well, we didn't do it, you know.
The father's probably you know. Come on, he says, all right,
maybe we have a leak. Well, the ground is not wet or
soggy at all around the pool. All right, well, I guess there
could be a hole directly under and it's filtering down and directly you know.
But still you're talking ofut thousands of gallons of water. Nothing he gets in
there, he checks there is no visible tears or leaks. So, if
you've ever dealt with a leaky pool, and I have, you start filling
it back up until you hit that level where it's starting to run out again.
And that's, you know, the level where the tear is. You
can narrow down the tear based upon that. Now, right, okay,
Right, So he's putting in water. He's putting it. It's not coming
out, it's not coming out. He fills it all the way up.
Nothing, there's there is no leak. So where did all the water go?
Well, could it have been a prank? We have to look at
that. Not in this location. She sent me photos of where the pool
was. There's no it was in in the backyard. There was no way
to get a You'd need a tanker truck right even back to pull off a
prank of this level, the water has to go somewhere exactly water. And
I think the family would have noticed with their windows open on August night,
a tanker truck driving down their backyard, right, So they just couldn't They
just couldn't figure it out. Well, it turns out that there was a
UFO sighting nearby. They saw in the local papers. Could it you know,
could it be there was? Actually they are actually between Oh, here
we go. It's between the Rondoubt and the Neversink reservoirs. Was their property
in that region, you know, with your big two big New York City
reservoirs, And a local paper noted that a UFO was spotted over one of
those reservoirs. So we have, at the time their pool water is disappearing,
we have a UFO siting nearby over water. So I'm listening to this
and I had never heard of, you know, pools being drained. And
I said, well, let me start doing searches, and yeah, slow
and behold, you come up with pools being drained, water tanks suddenly emptying,
going nowhere. And we'll talk about other cases of UFOs pulling water out
of a lake or reservoir, river, whatever. Well, what are they
doing with it? What's right? And it's interesting because you know, on
how many episodes have we talked about the very personal encounters the people that have
seen the UFOs, the people have had abduction experiences. But this just shows
really how much depth there is to this phenomenon in the Hudson Valley Valley and
also just nationwide, that it's not just okay, people see UFOs or people
experience an abduction encounter or missing time. There is so much more to this.
Yeah, I guess this is physical evidence in the negative sense. Something
isn't right left there, something's taken away. So, you know, me
being me ex chemist, scientist and all that, I wanted to quantify this.
So I said, I asked her, what was the dimensions of your
pool? It was a fifteen by twenty four by four foot pool four foot
deep, and then so it was an oval fifteen by twenty four. So
they have pool water calculators, and so I plugged in the numbers and about
eighty eight hundred and fifty gallons. So even if you there was a few
inches left, even if we knock off eight hundred and fifty gallons, we
are talking about eight thousand gallons of water missing. Now I had to take
it a little fur water weys eight point three five pounds per gallon. So
I know you're probably making these calculations in your head. I am, but
I'll let you do it. I don't like to show off my mathematical prowsiness,
all right, all right, So what we are talking about is sixty
six thousand, eight hundred pounds of water over thirty three tons of water?
What kind of lift do you have to have in a vehicle? And again,
you need a capacity of eight thousand gallons. The largest eighteen wheeler water
tanker in this area holds about eight thousand gallons. So if you've ever seen
those water tankers, you know we've had them come to fill in our pool
there huge, So you needed a vehicle that could you know, hover over
this pool long enough, pull thirty three tons and eight thousand gallons of water
out and and take off. Right. That's and if you and if you
think about eight thousand gallons missing, just say eight thousand, take eight thousand
milk jugs full of water and put them around the pool. To imagine where
that water went. I'm just envisioning that that's a your great analogy to spread
out eight thousand water, you know, gallon jugs of milk around the pool.
The water would be quite nowhere it went, you'd see it, right,
It's right. So we have two big questions here. Then if you
believe this, if you know, but we have other proof. But uh
so, number one, what are these UFOs doing with it? Speculation?
It's I mean, do they want the water for something internal? Is it
part of their engine mechanism whatever makes them fly to fi gravity? Is?
Do they need water for sustenance? Are they a biological based entity that eats
water like we do? I don't know. And pool waters are is a
lot cleaner than usually like water, right, and it's got chlorine, so
you probably wouldn't want to drink it. But I mean, yeah, if
I was a scientist on another planet. I would want to and probably some
people think I am. I would want to take water samples for scientific research
from lakes and rivers and things like that, not a sterilized pool in right,
you know. So yeah, I think you're correct. It has to
do something with some functionality they need to use it for somehow, and it's
clean or like you said, it's it's sterile. It's at some level it's
you know, chlorinated whatever their chemicals people have put in it. Right,
and again, where do you put it? And as I said, the
lifting power for something like that. So this is very unique and we have
other cases, but I just want to mention. We mentioned Gary at the
top for his music. You know, I interviewed his mother and we've talked
about that. Well. She had a sighting in Congers again, which we've
talked about Congers over and over again. I don't know what it is,
but a lot of activity there. In nineteen sixty seven, his mother was
coming home from a ceramics class and she sees a wagon wheel shaped UFO about
thirty feet in diameter. Said there were like lights at the end of the
spokes and it was hovering over the reservoir there which is also called Lake de
Forest, which where I had my missing time experience, which you know I've
mentioned. And she said it looked almost like a rope ladder going down into
the water. So probably not a rope ladder, but something that looked like
a rope. Was it putting stuff into the lake? Was it pulling stuff
taking it out out? Possibly with so h there is an affinity for UFOs
and water undisputed. So that's you and you talked to both of these people,
yes, which is what I think is important to make sure the listeners
really understand these aren't These aren't secondhand reports you got from somebody else. You
heard this from the person exactly. You were able to evaluate their their credibility,
if you will, there authenticity, and I think that to drive that
home to the listeners is so much more valuable than Okay, I heard it
from somebody else who heard it from this person, or I read it online
where you can sometimes say well did it happen, didn't This is someone you
talk to. And Carol and Grahamsville also yes, And I have to admit,
I you know, I believed her, but I thought, well,
there still has to be some other explanation until I realized this is a lot
I don't say common, but it happened. It's not an isolated incident by
any stretch. So another person, I, oh, do do we want
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tongue tied moment with our really interesting topic tonight on the UFO headquarters. Everybody
in the pool and hopefully you've been listening since the start if you haven't jumped
feet first in, because this is an interesting one like that. Ye all
right, wow, Okay, So another person I actually personally interviewed Susan from
Kent Cliffs. I believe I've mentioned something of her story before, but I'll
give you a little background. We're going back to nineteen eighty two Route three
to ZHO one Boyd's Corners area, you know where some of those stone chambers
are. Yes. Incidentally, she was going to a meeting at a local
firehouse, I think she was part of some auxiliary and she saw a large
circular craft the size of a high ranch and it was only one hundred feet
away, and she said, this was completely out of character for her.
She should have been afraid. She gets out of the car and she's staring
at this thing. Next thing, she knows, you know how we've heard
this. Next thing she's knows. She's driving off. She passes by a
neighbor who stopped and they just briefly said, did you see that? Yeah,
yeah, I saw it. So she continues on to the meeting,
and everybody's really upset because she is never, ever, ever late. She
was forty five minutes late, and to her mind, all she did was
stop, get out of the car, look at this thing, and then
drive away. So we suspect something else, do wait for missing time?
Yes, that's what we suspect. So I had asked her, well,
you know, once you have something like that, generally other strange things follow
or have preceded. So I asked her anything else strange? She said,
well, you know, maybe doesn't have anything to do with it. But
people in her neighborhood around that time were seeing lights and strange craft, and
we're here it comes finding water missing from their swimming pools. Okay, same
thing above ground. They had an above It happened to them. They had
an above ground, not a drop on the ground. She said. Her
husband went all around the perimeter. You know how these above ground pools are
built. They have that framework along the bottom. Absolutely no leaks filled it
back up. The water stayed, so there was no leaks. And a
close neighbor of hers nearby, same thing. So now we have at least
three pools in the Hudson Valley from seventy five to eighty two and more,
she said. Other people in the neighborhood. I don't have a number on
that, so let's be generous and say another one or two. So let's
say at least five swimming pools in the Hudson Valley in those years lost water
that could not be accounted for. So I think we're above coincidence. Right,
Even if you could come up with some crazy theory for one of them,
how do you keep accounting that? Right, if we could explain one
of these, that doesn't mean we're going to be be able to explain all
of them. Right. The fact again, it's following that same path.
There's no trace of the water, there's no damage to the pool, there's
no you know, explainable reason why it's drained, there's no damage, there's
no leak. So it's too coincidental to have the same pattern showing up in
multiple you know, locations in the Hudson Valley and the rapidity or speed,
the rapidity at which these pools are drained. Now, it so happens when
I was interviewing Carol, were the saddest day days of the year, Or
when I'm draining our pool to close it for the winter. Oh, I'm
such a sad, sad person. Then what was that on South Park?
A sad panda? I was a sad panda. But anyway, I'm draining
the pool. It takes a while. We have you know, we've gone
now to a couple of those like some pump things. You drop them in
it does It takes a day or two at least, and we're only dropping
it a foot or two for our pool too. We don't drain all the
water. So a lot of these people say, if they are draining it
for the winter, you need three days generally, And we're talking a matter
of hours. She goes to bed by early morning. So let's say eight
hours. Eight thousand gallons disappear in eight hours. You're not drained a thousand
gallons an hour. Yeah, water, You're not draining it through a little
plug. You have some You have some serious suction going on here, because
I would think that the water, the rate in which you can drain it
is going to be dictated by if you're using suction, the diameter of the
tubes or the hoses. You couldn't siphon it that quick, no, you
know, I mean it would trickle out right if you're spher using a garden
hose to siphon it. So again, if we go with the eight thousand
gallons in eight hours, that's a thousand gallons an hour. That's incredible amount
of water exactly, and no sign of where it went right. So and
again, each of these cases there are sightings, there are lights, and
there are craft, and there is missing time. I don't think it's a
coincidence that a person who had a missing time incident, maybe they came back
to see her whatever and hey, let's take the pool water. But again,
what are they doing with this? I know there's people who have speculation
there, you know, it's part of their process, like you said,
propulsion or environmental or or who knows, who knows what are they taking the
water and breaking it down into its elements? You know? Yeah, for
something that's an hydrogen right, oxygen right right, you'd think they'd be able
to pull that out of the air. But maybe it's easier to do with
water, or it's a you know, uh, I don't know how convenient
it is to trans poured eight thousand gallons of water, but that'll break down
into a lot of hydrogen and oxygen. So other water involved cases, the
Great Wannacue reservoir case of January eleventh, nineteen sixty six. I think I've
spoken about this. I've certainly written about it. Let me give you an
idea of the of the witnesses for this. The mayor, Harry Wolfe,
three councilmen, the Civil of Defense administrator, the Chief of Police Floyd Elson,
many police officers, and the mother superior of a convent. Okay,
so we have quite array those good witnesses. Would I would think that would
stand up in court, Yeah, one would hope. I'm not calling mother
superior, no way. So part of what they were seeing was this large
craft over the reservoir. Remember it's January, so it's a frozen and a
beam of light was beaming down in burning holes through two inches of ice.
Okay, So why were they so determined? Did they need the liquid water
and needed to burn through the ice. Are they just having a bad day?
I mean, you know what's going on there. But you have all
of these high quality witnesses who they have a lot to lose, right right.
I Mean this is another common theme that we've discussed. When you get
into people with with some type of a social status or a position of authority,
A mayor, councilman, a chief of police or police officers, even
a mother superior. You're putting a lot on the line by coming forward and
putting your your reputation behind this story. So to me, that just lends
that much more credibility. Right, do you want to be elected ever again?
Right? Do you want you're ever going to get promoted? Right?
Do you want to be laughed at? Right? No one wants to be
laughed at? Yeah, what's the church going to say of the mother superior
talking about UFOs burning holes in ice? So this had to be a very
dramatic, impactful sighting for them to go on the record with it. So
once again, it's having some sort of interaction with water. It seems to
be wanting to get to the liquid water. Would would you say that,
I'm yeah, I would think you're the only reason why you want to burn
holes is to get through that layer of ice to get to what's underneath it.
Right, And so at this point we need a disclaimer. If you
God help you go to YouTube or google UFOs drawing water. Well, there
are some spectacular videos, fake, fake, fake, Many have been boldly
debunked. It's it's just a shame. How there are places, you know,
we don't need to name them. That that's all they do. They
they have the technology to generate fake UFOs of videos, and unfortunately people still
fall for them hook line and see. It's it's unfortunate because the Internet has
been a godsend for researchers, you know, and how many times we mentioned
At one point the only way you could read about this stuff was to go
to the library. You didn't have access to all these different case files.
And now it's you can get government records online terribly redacted, you know,
full of black marks. Right, you can go online from your home and
do tremendous amount of research. But there's the flip side to that, coin
is very negative. It's there's so much faked evidence and it gets put out
there as authentic, and then it gets shared and it gets shared eventually it's
well, this is legit because it's on the Internet. And listen, if
you go to the movies, you can do tremendous things with CGI, right,
you know. I mean I just saw the new Star Wars. They
had all kinds of great spaceships flying around and people with a little bit of
knowledge of computers and animation and editing could make fantastic looking videos that looked strikingly
real. Yeah, but it doesn't make them real. Yeah, it used
to be. In the seventies eighties, you have video of your sighting that
was the holy growl, my god, let me see it. Now,
when I hear somebody as video of the sighting, it's like, oh,
no, you know it's it's It is almost a negative. Doesn't mean it
isn't legit. But you know, oh I have the best video, or
I say okay, so And that's because it's so easily faked, and it's
so hard to take an face value without taking the video. And now you
have to do so much more work to just evaluate that video. You can't.
Just thirty years ago, you could have basically accepted it on its face.
I mean, people could have tried to fake it right, a little
bit easier to tell when someone's you know, using fish line and right in
fake saucers to try to get the perspective versus now it's it's seamless. Right.
So it's a shame. Well, let's let's broaden our our pool topic
here to some other things. Uh, there's a website if you're interested.
In this WATERUFO dot net and it has some interesting classifications for these type of
sightings. I just love, love, love when someone takes one aspect of
ufology and consolidates it and really research puts it all together. I think that
is very valuable, you know, to accentuate a certain trait, because it
really get you thinking and you as much as we can start to put some
of these in categories or make some sense. But as for UFOs hovering water
over water, there there has been seen columns of fog, mist or haze
rising up from the water to the bottom of the craft. There's also just
been a lot of like whirlpools of water. There seems to be a lot
of swirling of the water as it's almost creating like a water spout type thing
going up to the craft. But again, to start delineating the different aspects,
not just a UFO over water, there's this fog, there's this haze.
Sometimes they hear like a wishing sound of the water going up. We'll
get to a lot of these, but sometimes there was a great description.
It looked like a reverse waterfall and when the craft took off, the water
came crashing back down, you know, because sometimes one hundred hundred and fifty
feet in the air, and when they're done with that column of water,
they take off in whatever field or effect they were using to pull it up.
Well, now there's this unsupported water, and you know, I think
that adds a lot of validity when the witnesses talk about this crashing, you
know, like waves smashing against which is what would happen exactly when gravity takes
over, it's gonna come crashing down. Right, Well, we do have
an Argentinian swimming pool story. Would you like to get into that next?
And we talked about this pre show. I do recall seeing a lot of
things occasionally online about Argentina and UFOs. So I don't know if it's necessarily
always swimming pool, but it does seem like Argentina comes up quite bit.
It does not sure what the connection is to that. It's not the Hudson
Valley, but no, Well they're also a lot more open to it,
right, So, would you like to discuss this Argentinian swimming pool? Yeah,
this is a pretty interesting case. And this came off of ufodigest dot
com. I'll read it. How's that that sounds? So February twenty fourth,
twenty eleven. According to a report in the website ufodigest dot com,
the sixteen thousand gallon swimming pool at the Hotel Maykel and oh Boy Eustiniano Passe,
Argentina, was inexplicably drained completely dry and less than a day after being
notified at the strange occurrence by the pool maintenance man, hotel owner Leelo Garcia
was astonished to find that not only was there no water in the pool itself,
there wasn't any on the surrounding deck itself. Said Garcia, I don't
understand because when we drained the pool to clean it such an amount of water
takes a day and a half to drain. We flood the patio and the
water runs down the street all the way to the canal. But this time
there was nothing, not a single drop of water anywhere around. The possibility
of theft by earthlings is being discounted because it would have taken five water trucks
to drain the pool, highly unlikely. No one would notice five water trucks
stealing there, and no such vehicles were observed, Nor did it appear to
be a case of cracked plaster. Since the maintenance man conducted a thorough examination
and found the shell to be completely intact. Indeed, the pool was subsequently
refilled and held water perfectly well. Sound familiar, Yes, so asufodigest dot
com who stole the water? Or as Ripleys would put it, was this
a genuine close encounter of the wet kind? And if the extraterrestials were so
thirsty, why wouldn't they drain a coke or a seven up factory instead,
or a Starbucks or a liquor store. Could it be that on their planet,
chlorine is considered a tasty treat. Yeah, so it was a good
article till they made fun of it at the end. Yes, but still
excellent information in this and very corroborative of what you've uncovered here in the Hudson
Valley. And I like when I read the sixteen thousand gallons double what we
were talking right? And not a drop right? So and again they mentioned
the time frame usually takes a day and a half and in less than a
day it's all gone and you fill it back up. Guess what, no
leaks? And again interesting to know no water anywhere around whereas normally when they
do drain it there's water on the deck. The water has to be you
know, sent down the street to the canal, and there's no where did
sixteen thousand that's a lot more water than eight thousand ro there would you would
think there'd be some trace of sixteen thousand gallons. And so now we've even
uped that you need a craft that can lift So we're talking. The last
one was what sixty six thousand pounds thirty three tons, So we're now looking
at what one hundred and twenty five thousand pounds sixty six tons of water.
That's a lot of thrust to lift up and some of the like at the
Kent Cliffs case, she saw a craft about oh no, excuse me.
In the Gary's mother seeing a craft about thirty feet in diameter. We don't
know how much or if water was pulled up, but what size vehicle do
you need to take on an additional sixteen thousand gallons or sixty six tons?
And then and then once assuming it's being brought up to say a UFO,
what are they doing with it? Are they storing it? Are they is
it going undergoing some kind of immediate processing? Yeah, again, you have
to have a big storage facility. So it's it's it's mind boggling. It
is, you know, can I absolutely say UFOs took them? No,
but we have UFO sightings and pool water disappearance inexplicable pool water disappearance is happening
at the same time. So then we go to twenty ten and this information
I got on the Church of Ufology dot blog spot. So it's an article
by Gary Richmond where we're back in Argentina. Here the title is town Dazed
as UFOs suck up tons of water from swimming pools plural. So I can
just go and it's pretty much the same type of thing. But this police
sergeant Carlos Oh, here we go Palacios of Olivaria, Argentina, said,
I personally saw a huge illuminated oval object cruising over housetops and strange as it
seems, I saw it pull water up out of a swimming pool. So
now here's a police sergeant who physically witnesses a large UFO taking that pool water.
So I think that's a really big link in this chain of chain of
evidence. Here he went on to say, there was no noise and I
even verified it by checking the pool. It was empty. I couldn't believe
my eyes. But as incredible as it sounds, it was not science fiction.
So here we are sitting in the Hudson Valley trying to figure out disappearing
pool water and down in ourg you know, back in the seventies and eighties,
and around twenty ten and twenty eleven, it's happening in Argentina. So
again, that's why I think it's so important to focus it on a topic,
hone in on it, and pull in all the information. Because if
I just stood in front of an audience and say, oh, one day
a pool was empty, and I think it's a UFO, that's a big
leap. Without this kind of fills in that missing blank piece where you can
say, okay, they're drained, and we have a report where UFO a
scene or an object to scene draining it right? And do you want to
go over some of the other parts highlighted there? And then we will go
to a break and have some more interesting cases. So Sergeant Palacios hope,
and I pronounce his name right. As a fellow police officer, I wouldn't
want to insult him. But it was repeated itself several nights in early January,
and it caused a sensation in the town, which is about two hundred
miles from Buenos Aires. And what I mentioned, what I thought was interesting.
They mentioned the The Final Battle the TV series right, and as a
teenager, I was obsessed with that, and then my own sons and they
were little, we used to watch it on DVD, oh, okay and
over. But the whole premise was they disguised themselves as friendly aliens because they
wanted the Earth's water, and they would actually show scenes where they were sucking
the water up out of the ocean rights end. So kind of an interesting
connection there. But accordingly, I saw a huge, long oval object,
literally parked about one hundred feet above the yard, said electrician Carlos Boreelli,
who was awakened at three am by bright lights outside. The object was twice
the size of a blimp, had a ring of colored lights which flashed on
and off red, yellow, orange, and green. According to Carlos,
this is the electrician. All of a sudden, a beam of bright white
light shot down from the object, and the water from the pool rushed up
through the light so fast it appeared it was being sucked up a drinking straw.
Wow, Suddenly the object shot off at an incredible speed. In less
than three seconds, it was gone. The whole event took ten or twenty
seconds, So ten and twenty seconds to probably drain at least eight thousand gallons.
That's unless it was a larger pool. So right, I mean,
yeah, it's probably at the low end. Right, So what rate?
What is the flow rate of draining eight thousand gallons and ten seconds? Yeah?
A thousand gallons a second. Yeah, that's close. It's something we
can do. Another experience with Jose Viega, a manager of a local bank,
added that the pool at his bank's employee club also was struck. According
to Jose, his club was visited by a flying saucer which emptied their swimming
pool. More than ten thousand gallons disappeared. Other area residents, including Roman
Catholic priest Romeo Mussargano and two Argentine Army soldiers, reported seeing UFOs brightly lit
UFOs there you go, and more than twenty witnesses of a high caliber saw
the incredible lights in the sky, according to Assistant police Chief Juan Carlos Logabardi.
So another police witness who's corroborating that information. And Roman Catholic priests,
you would hope they would not be lying about such a thing, right,
and army soldiers, I mean again, people who tend to have something to
lose by coming forward. So the follow up to this is that they visited
an old gentleman in Elma, Washington who had seen the UFO over a close
by beaver pond suck up the water. It had lowered the pond over a
foot. Interesting that the pond was full of bullfrogs, water plants, and
et cetera. So if they wanted to study what's in our water, they
kind of got the whole, the whole gamut. Yeah. To to lower
an entire pond by a foot with a quick visit, yeah, remarkable.
And this author Gary Richmond, speculated that they may be taking the water to
obtain the hydrogen. So again that's speculation, but I think it's an interesting
speculation. Sure sure, So again great corroborative cases. I love through the
way said it was like sucking it up through a straw in ten to twenty
seconds and then gone and gone, and three seconds is gone. That is
remarkable. So we will take our second break and then come back with a
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You are a local Rockland County station, and we're back here at the
studios of Hudson Valley or Hudson River Radio dot com. Wait, it's the
first time I've been in the studio in a few weeks. Right, it's
been a long so I'm like, yes, used to skyping. You have
to get familiar with the place. Again, we're talking about UFOs and their
connection to water and specifically draining water out of swimming pools. It's an interesting
topic, one I've never really thought much about. And you've done, you
know, incredible research on events in the Hudson Valley as well as some connection
with some events in Argentina. But you have a plethora now. Oh yes,
and I have to thank there. There is a book called the Physical
Influences of a UFO on Water and uh, oh, shame on me.
I didn't write. Oh, Carl find c A R L F E I
N D T. I have not read his book. I have looked at
some excerpts online. I just discovered the not too long ago. It certainly
sounds like a type of reference that every good ufologist should should have at their
fingertips. But he did a remarkable gathering, made these charts of all of
these different related sites. So we have the Hudson Valley, we have in
seventies and eighties, we have Argentina about ten twenty years ago. But this
list is absolutely remarkable that he's compiled, going back to nineteen fourteen near Georgia
Bay in Canada, where it was described that a ship rose up out of
the water and took When it took off, it left a mist which lasted
for a very long time. So I think that's extremely important. What mechanism
created that missed something about its propulsion? Was it really hot and it was
steam? They didn't describe it as steam? But what is it doing?
Right? And we're talking nineteen fourteen, so I I think we can say
the Canadian military was not having some sort of prototype, you know, secret
stealth military craft and it's and there was no civilian craft that was capable of
doing this. No, no, no, you know we have we have
missiles that can be launched out of the water. I know there are some
patents that have recently been filed for craft that can go in and out of
the water. But still it's it is a trick to be able to have
the capability to fly successfully and also maneuver underwater successfully with the same craft and
come in and out with impunity. There. So nineteen seventeen outside of Grand
Harbor, Malta, So now we're we're over on the other side of the
earth. Out of there was a white cloud that rose up out of the
water and this was one of the cases that as this white cloud rose up
out of the water, this UFO shot out of it and the water fell
back down. So we've heard of UFO's kind of hiding in clouds. Is
this one ready made? He's coming out of the water as a cloud.
It's just if you want to name some of these different locations, just to
give us an idea of how often and where these have happened. Yeah,
I mean nineteen fifty five Ocean Beach near San Diego, California. Yeah,
nineteen fifty seven south to Sebastiallo, Brazil. That was like a jet,
like a water spout and a pop bellied machine. Yeah, what an on
earth? Is that? So an interesting description because that's not when you hear
often no as a UFO, no pop bellied. No. I'm picturing one
of those old stoves on most right, Lake Becker near bra Lorne, British
Columbia, Canada. So Canada again, that was back in sixty one,
nineteen sixty one, again the Baltic Sea off of Leba, Poland. This
one hovered whirlpool with a loud suctioning sound or a loud sucking se right,
So there's a whirlpool of water being pulled up into this craft. Again,
so I know some of what I read in his book speculating some sort of
magnetic field creating a vortext to create that water spout to come out. Who
knows it's it's you know worth speculating on nineteen sixty four Casita's Damn near Ventura,
California. It was a whirling funnel, which I guess is very similar
to the idea of a spout spinning around right, right, same idea nineteen
sixty five the Red Sea, a fiery sixty meters sphere out of the water
at one hundred and fifty meters giant pillar of water which then collapsed. Right,
So you have a sixty meter sphere comes out of the water, it
pulls up one hundred and fifty meter high column of water. What wow,
what kind of force, right does that need? And then this was one
of the ones after the sphere takes off, Bam, imagine a column of
water one hundred and fifty meters high, and who knows what diameter? I'm
sure right right, what was it the diameter of the sphere, It's not
quite clear in the report, but so that that's out of the Red Sea
and how many gallons of water would have been in that one hundred and fifty
meters cost to come crashing down Yep, the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida Keys
in nineteen sixty six, eerie pulsations of light greenish volume of water or vapor.
This one interesting add on dead fish. Yes, and I did start
finding that, particularly when craft come out of water, there is often a
fish kill. You know, I kill off of fish in that area.
So is it some sort of electrical field they're using. Is it a microwave
that they're literally frying these fish underwater? What is it that they're doing is
it? Is it just the force? It probably doesn't seem likely that it's
just a physical force to kill so many fish, But yeah, another another
piece to the puzzle, and another way to corroborate the fact that these are
having a physical effect on the environment. They're interacting with the environment. Excellent,
Exactly. The fish aren't imagining this, right, they're dead, right,
Something is there. It's interacting and it's causing this to happen, not
just taking the water, but it's clearly affecting living organisms. I would love
to have been able to take samples of those fish, do a little neck
cropsy as they are mind out what killed them. Nineteen sixty six. Again
we have an unnamed lake near Corpus Christi, Texas. Nineteen seventy one August
the Tyranny and Sea off of Malaso, Italy. Sounds like a nice place
to be right now. Yeah, three columns of water to three lights and
clouds. So here we have a triple So there are three UFOs in the
air pulling out three columns of water. I mean, does the plot thicken
here? Maybe they like Italy too this time of the day. That could
be in August of nineteen seventy one and an unknown location along New River,
Guyana, nineteen seventy three, the Clackamus River near West Lynne, Oregon,
nineteen eighty an unnamed pond near Wappello, Iowa, September of nineteen eighty a
water tank on a farm near Rosedale, Victoria, Australia. So we are
all over the world and it's stretching back to nineteen fourteen. This I thought
was I added this because it's not directly water, but in a frozen form.
In nineteen fifty seven, a very experienced pilot had thousands of hours,
was flying in Minnesota, saw a circular craft fifteen to eight feet in diameter.
He said there was an odd glow and was sucking up loose snow as
it passed. That's an interesting twist, right, taking up water in its
frozen form. But still was it incidental that it was pulling up because of
whatever propulsion or in ten It seems it seems if you're pulling snow up into
you, you'd kind of want that to happen. You would hope they wouldn't.
Oh damn, every time I fly for snow my engines get clogged.
You would think that was an intentional thing. I have a driveway the next
time it snows, they'd want to come take snow. That would be nice
please. So we still have a few more if you want to go over
this list. Yeah, this is, I mean, right remarkable everywhere in
the world, Malta, Australia, can. I did want to just touch
on the fact that the water tank in Australia. So now we're going from
pools to ponds or natural bodies to a water tank, right, So we're
really covering all these different possibilities. We have one in nineteen ninety two at
the Atlantic Ocean near Aguape, Brazil, which was a UFO with lots of
lights and a sailboat. Yes, involving a collision. Yeah, so do
you want to mention that? Yeah, it was a near collision. They
thought there were these people on the sailboat, Oh my god, what the
hell is that we're about to you know, we're about to run into it.
And then they're only about twenty meters from it and they see new,
it's not a sailboat. It is just six meters above the water. That
is very close is a UFO that is sucking up a column of water the
entire width of the UFO. I think that's really important because we're not talking.
It has a little spout that it's pulling the entire How does that work?
That's a tremendous amount. How do you pull in an you know,
something the width of the bottom of your craft and six meters off of the
ground or off the water, which is what twenty five feet maybe? Yeah,
and that's only uh yeah, what is that some twenty ish? Yeah,
So that's that's just back in nineteen ninety two. This isn't you know,
eighteen eighty six, you know, sailor's tail in Santa Rosa. The
golf during the Gulf breeze in nineteen you know, golf breeze Florida, nineteen
ninety four people said they saw a mist swirling into the air and in the
center of the plume was shooting up to the bottom of a ufo. Again
all right, again and again, year after year. If you want to
continue with the uh yeah, nineteen ninety five, we go to the UK,
the Mercy River near Fiddler's Ferry. Same thing. This one's a bell
shaped craft sucking up a column of water. Nineteen ninety six in l Esperanza
Bay my pronunciation, the island of you know, Puerto Rico, like a
whirlpool, flying saucers sucking water out of the sea. So a lot of
these are going to the ocean now that we've been dealing with right, right,
and again the swirling vortex type whirlpool. Very similar themes when you start
to read these, yes, in a chronological that's why it's so important this
man's work to pull these together. It's not you know, it's not a
crazy person in the Hudson Valley, you know who forgot that they're you know
to fill their pool right in two thousand July of two thousand, we have
the Caribbean Sea off the south coast of have you say that again? Island?
Okay? So the Puerto Rico has quite the UFO sightings. They actually
have a highway there with it's called the UFO or the Extraterrestrial Highway. They
have signs on the highway. Wow, because there's so many sightings. We
have the Pacific Ocean off Punta San San Antonio, Mexico. In June of
two thousand and six. February two thousand and seven, we have an unnamed
lake in west Lake, South Australia. February two thousand and nine, we
have a small stream near Cinderford in the United Kingdom. Oh here's one of
my favorite. I you'd like that. In April of twenty and eleven,
Lake finnvick Vatnet near Tromso, Norway. Have you been to I've been to
Tromso. I've been through Trompson. Okay, Okay, up in the north
a little bit. Okay, So in April in Trompso, would they have
liquid water? Yeah? Oh yeah, most likely yeah, late April,
that's not too cold up there right well, to you, that's true,
I'm cold in June's So there was another case in Alaska in nineteen seventy eight,
a triangular craft. Most of what now, if you'd been, we've
been. I'm just putting this together. Most of what was seen were circular
or oval shaped craft up to now. Correct, Yes, so you'd say,
well, it's only the oval ones that need the water. Well,
in seventy eight in Alaska, a triangular shaped craft. This was the one.
It was described as like a waterfall going up into it. And that's
just dominating. That is just just remarkable. So what do we conclude from
all of this? I think, like everything else in this field, our
conclusion is that there's no such thing as an easy answer. And bringing it
back to the Hudson Valley is we are really the microcosm for the UFO experience
worldwide. Everything that's happening worldwide is happening here that all the time, and
again I think we're we are the hotbed. And yes, it happens in
other places in the world, but when you read these accounts, the people
you've talked to, all these things happening all over the world are happening to
people right here in the Hudson Valley and I love the I have to write
this down. That was good. That was good. Yeah, no,
you're you're exactly right. We can tell you know, things that happen in
Malta and Argentina and Tromso, Norway. Yeah, we've had it happen right
here and a lot of it. So what does that mean is the is
the water going up for propulsion? Is some of these cases it clearly seems
that the water is it's the is just upwelling. When the thing comes out,
it's like incidental. But yet there are other clear cases where they are
just sucking it, sucking it right up. So I think I'll have to
get that that book again. The name of the book was Physical Influences of
a UFO on Water And unfortunately Carl find I wanted to interview him. He
has passed away in the last few years, but I know his book has
a lot of diagrams and his theories on how this is happening, what they're
using the water for so and it does show the need for specialty research in
the field. Absolutely. So many people when they write about this, they
want to write about everything. What this man has done is really taking a
specific niche and said, okay, I want to this the water phenomenon.
And like you said, for researchers to go to this and for our listeners,
you can't see it when you look at a list in front of you,
and this is a partial I did. Yeah, you know, this
is just in fractional I'll hold it up. Where's the camera, so just
to show you when you look at a list and can see the dates and
where there and the accounts, it really starts to drive home how prevalent this
is. We think it's isolated, but it's not so. Yeah, and
I love your idea. When you know, researchers, let's cover everything that's
good to a point. But when you just focus on something like the water
aspect, suddenly a little light bulb has to go off and say, well,
what the hell are they doing with it? Right? How are they
using it? What do they want it for? Absolutely, you know it's
it's it's happening in pools, in rivers, in lakes, in the ocean,
so clearly they need it. Now we have to figure out why do
they need it. They're taking it for a reason. This isn't just happening
right right for sure. And I want to give out that website water UFO
dot net that you had mentioned, So if you are interested listening, remember
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