WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:15.720 Hudson River Radio dot Com beautiful headquarters. I'd never get tired of that music, 2 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.679 Mike, No, you could hear it all day, every day, 3 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:25.800 and again thanks to Gary Treibert for our theme song. I just want to 4 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:32.159 announce to everybody we are pre recording this, so if you are leaving messages 5 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.960 on the Facebook page, don't get mad. We are not ignoring you. 6 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.159 We are simply not there. Right, this is a pre recorded show. 7 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:45.560 Yes, so we have an unusual title today. Do you just realize what 8 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:50.000 you said? Unusual title? That's what we do. Well, that's well, 9 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.439 that's true. This is even more Yeah, yes, we are talking 10 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:59.280 about uf This is interesting, I think. So the title for today's show 11 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:04.359 is Everybody in the Pool. Okay, so what on earth does that have 12 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.400 to do with UFOs. Well, I'll tell you when we were talking about 13 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:12.879 this before the show. It's not something I'm very familiar with. Like you, 14 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.519 hear so many different stories in the field of you know, UFO study, 15 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:21.120 but this isn't the most common. So I'm curious how many of our 16 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:25.120 listeners are really going to be familiar with this. Yes, and this certainly 17 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.799 caught me off guard. I'd heard of UFOs you know, hovering over water, 18 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:34.159 coming in and out of water. But well, let me jump right 19 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:40.599 in and tell you the story. This goes back to nineteen seventy five in 20 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.959 Grahamsville, New York. So what is that near, Mike? You you're 21 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.159 familiar with Grahamsville. Oh, now I'm on the spot where it was. 22 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.560 Is it Ulster County? I'm not sure? I think it is all right, 23 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.200 but it's in the Hudson Valley. Ye don't quote me, Okay, 24 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.159 So Grahamsville, New York. Google it. Nineteen seventy five. It's a 25 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:05.400 hot all night and a sixteen year old girl, Carol, who was the 26 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.639 witness I had spoken with. You know, a hot night, there's nothing 27 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:14.560 like taking a nice swim in the pool to cool off. She goes to 28 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.520 bed, and the next morning her father is yelling, hey, who let 29 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:24.599 all the water out of the pool? Because this nice, big above ground 30 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:29.360 pool only has a few inches of water left in it. So, I 31 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.719 don't know if you've ever had an above ground pool or you've been around them. 32 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.719 If they have a leak, it's an absolute mess. Yeah. I've 33 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.280 we never had one, but I have friends who've had them, and they've 34 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.639 had leaks, and you go up there and it's like you said, the 35 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.840 water is everywhere. The ground is soggy, it's soaking in. It's you 36 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.840 could tell, right, the water has left the pool and it's clearly soaking 37 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.599 into the ground right, mud and puddles and it's an absolute mess. Well, 38 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.400 the kids all said, well, we didn't do it, you know. 39 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.280 The father's probably you know. Come on, he says, all right, 40 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:06.080 maybe we have a leak. Well, the ground is not wet or 41 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.000 soggy at all around the pool. All right, well, I guess there 42 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.599 could be a hole directly under and it's filtering down and directly you know. 43 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:21.159 But still you're talking ofut thousands of gallons of water. Nothing he gets in 44 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:27.240 there, he checks there is no visible tears or leaks. So, if 45 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.280 you've ever dealt with a leaky pool, and I have, you start filling 46 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:36.919 it back up until you hit that level where it's starting to run out again. 47 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.759 And that's, you know, the level where the tear is. You 48 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.280 can narrow down the tear based upon that. Now, right, okay, 49 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.520 Right, So he's putting in water. He's putting it. It's not coming 50 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.520 out, it's not coming out. He fills it all the way up. 51 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.800 Nothing, there's there is no leak. So where did all the water go? 52 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.000 Well, could it have been a prank? We have to look at 53 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:05.199 that. Not in this location. She sent me photos of where the pool 54 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:10.159 was. There's no it was in in the backyard. There was no way 55 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:14.719 to get a You'd need a tanker truck right even back to pull off a 56 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.000 prank of this level, the water has to go somewhere exactly water. And 57 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.439 I think the family would have noticed with their windows open on August night, 58 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:29.839 a tanker truck driving down their backyard, right, So they just couldn't They 59 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:35.160 just couldn't figure it out. Well, it turns out that there was a 60 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:42.879 UFO sighting nearby. They saw in the local papers. Could it you know, 61 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.639 could it be there was? Actually they are actually between Oh, here 62 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:54.160 we go. It's between the Rondoubt and the Neversink reservoirs. Was their property 63 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.920 in that region, you know, with your big two big New York City 64 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:05.480 reservoirs, And a local paper noted that a UFO was spotted over one of 65 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:12.639 those reservoirs. So we have, at the time their pool water is disappearing, 66 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:18.920 we have a UFO siting nearby over water. So I'm listening to this 67 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.079 and I had never heard of, you know, pools being drained. And 68 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.079 I said, well, let me start doing searches, and yeah, slow 69 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:33.279 and behold, you come up with pools being drained, water tanks suddenly emptying, 70 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:41.399 going nowhere. And we'll talk about other cases of UFOs pulling water out 71 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.040 of a lake or reservoir, river, whatever. Well, what are they 72 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:53.639 doing with it? What's right? And it's interesting because you know, on 73 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:58.240 how many episodes have we talked about the very personal encounters the people that have 74 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:03.279 seen the UFOs, the people have had abduction experiences. But this just shows 75 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:10.800 really how much depth there is to this phenomenon in the Hudson Valley Valley and 76 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:15.319 also just nationwide, that it's not just okay, people see UFOs or people 77 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.439 experience an abduction encounter or missing time. There is so much more to this. 78 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.079 Yeah, I guess this is physical evidence in the negative sense. Something 79 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:29.759 isn't right left there, something's taken away. So, you know, me 80 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.000 being me ex chemist, scientist and all that, I wanted to quantify this. 81 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:38.759 So I said, I asked her, what was the dimensions of your 82 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.360 pool? It was a fifteen by twenty four by four foot pool four foot 83 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.279 deep, and then so it was an oval fifteen by twenty four. So 84 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:55.519 they have pool water calculators, and so I plugged in the numbers and about 85 00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:00.160 eighty eight hundred and fifty gallons. So even if you there was a few 86 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.920 inches left, even if we knock off eight hundred and fifty gallons, we 87 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:10.759 are talking about eight thousand gallons of water missing. Now I had to take 88 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:15.480 it a little fur water weys eight point three five pounds per gallon. So 89 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.680 I know you're probably making these calculations in your head. I am, but 90 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:24.879 I'll let you do it. I don't like to show off my mathematical prowsiness, 91 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:29.680 all right, all right, So what we are talking about is sixty 92 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:35.600 six thousand, eight hundred pounds of water over thirty three tons of water? 93 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:43.600 What kind of lift do you have to have in a vehicle? And again, 94 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:49.279 you need a capacity of eight thousand gallons. The largest eighteen wheeler water 95 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:55.240 tanker in this area holds about eight thousand gallons. So if you've ever seen 96 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.519 those water tankers, you know we've had them come to fill in our pool 97 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:07.279 there huge, So you needed a vehicle that could you know, hover over 98 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.879 this pool long enough, pull thirty three tons and eight thousand gallons of water 99 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.879 out and and take off. Right. That's and if you and if you 100 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.879 think about eight thousand gallons missing, just say eight thousand, take eight thousand 101 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.560 milk jugs full of water and put them around the pool. To imagine where 102 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.600 that water went. I'm just envisioning that that's a your great analogy to spread 103 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.559 out eight thousand water, you know, gallon jugs of milk around the pool. 104 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.559 The water would be quite nowhere it went, you'd see it, right, 105 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.240 It's right. So we have two big questions here. Then if you 106 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.480 believe this, if you know, but we have other proof. But uh 107 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.639 so, number one, what are these UFOs doing with it? Speculation? 108 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.399 It's I mean, do they want the water for something internal? Is it 109 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:05.799 part of their engine mechanism whatever makes them fly to fi gravity? Is? 110 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.159 Do they need water for sustenance? Are they a biological based entity that eats 111 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.559 water like we do? I don't know. And pool waters are is a 112 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.879 lot cleaner than usually like water, right, and it's got chlorine, so 113 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.120 you probably wouldn't want to drink it. But I mean, yeah, if 114 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.399 I was a scientist on another planet. I would want to and probably some 115 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:35.320 people think I am. I would want to take water samples for scientific research 116 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.200 from lakes and rivers and things like that, not a sterilized pool in right, 117 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.240 you know. So yeah, I think you're correct. It has to 118 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.720 do something with some functionality they need to use it for somehow, and it's 119 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.679 clean or like you said, it's it's sterile. It's at some level it's 120 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.919 you know, chlorinated whatever their chemicals people have put in it. Right, 121 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.360 and again, where do you put it? And as I said, the 122 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.120 lifting power for something like that. So this is very unique and we have 123 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:15.000 other cases, but I just want to mention. We mentioned Gary at the 124 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:20.279 top for his music. You know, I interviewed his mother and we've talked 125 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.120 about that. Well. She had a sighting in Congers again, which we've 126 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.480 talked about Congers over and over again. I don't know what it is, 127 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:33.399 but a lot of activity there. In nineteen sixty seven, his mother was 128 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.399 coming home from a ceramics class and she sees a wagon wheel shaped UFO about 129 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.360 thirty feet in diameter. Said there were like lights at the end of the 130 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:50.159 spokes and it was hovering over the reservoir there which is also called Lake de 131 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.960 Forest, which where I had my missing time experience, which you know I've 132 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:03.600 mentioned. And she said it looked almost like a rope ladder going down into 133 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.919 the water. So probably not a rope ladder, but something that looked like 134 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:13.480 a rope. Was it putting stuff into the lake? Was it pulling stuff 135 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:22.799 taking it out out? Possibly with so h there is an affinity for UFOs 136 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:31.440 and water undisputed. So that's you and you talked to both of these people, 137 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.000 yes, which is what I think is important to make sure the listeners 138 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.320 really understand these aren't These aren't secondhand reports you got from somebody else. You 139 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:45.919 heard this from the person exactly. You were able to evaluate their their credibility, 140 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.039 if you will, there authenticity, and I think that to drive that 141 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.879 home to the listeners is so much more valuable than Okay, I heard it 142 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.679 from somebody else who heard it from this person, or I read it online 143 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.039 where you can sometimes say well did it happen, didn't This is someone you 144 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.679 talk to. And Carol and Grahamsville also yes, And I have to admit, 145 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.559 I you know, I believed her, but I thought, well, 146 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.080 there still has to be some other explanation until I realized this is a lot 147 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.759 I don't say common, but it happened. It's not an isolated incident by 148 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.559 any stretch. So another person, I, oh, do do we want 149 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.320 to take a one of our first breaks before? Oh? Yes we do. 150 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.320 Sorry, but we're going on because I wouldn't stop. Let's take a 151 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.879 quick break before we get everybody's back in the pool. Did you know there 152 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.519 used to be a missile launching site right here in Rocklin County? 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Ye all 177 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:56.120 right, wow, Okay, So another person I actually personally interviewed Susan from 178 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.720 Kent Cliffs. I believe I've mentioned something of her story before, but I'll 179 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.120 give you a little background. We're going back to nineteen eighty two Route three 180 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.039 to ZHO one Boyd's Corners area, you know where some of those stone chambers 181 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:15.080 are. Yes. Incidentally, she was going to a meeting at a local 182 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:20.120 firehouse, I think she was part of some auxiliary and she saw a large 183 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.960 circular craft the size of a high ranch and it was only one hundred feet 184 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.559 away, and she said, this was completely out of character for her. 185 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.879 She should have been afraid. She gets out of the car and she's staring 186 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.159 at this thing. Next thing, she knows, you know how we've heard 187 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.679 this. Next thing she's knows. She's driving off. She passes by a 188 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.840 neighbor who stopped and they just briefly said, did you see that? Yeah, 189 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.679 yeah, I saw it. So she continues on to the meeting, 190 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:58.159 and everybody's really upset because she is never, ever, ever late. She 191 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:03.279 was forty five minutes late, and to her mind, all she did was 192 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.120 stop, get out of the car, look at this thing, and then 193 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:11.039 drive away. So we suspect something else, do wait for missing time? 194 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.879 Yes, that's what we suspect. So I had asked her, well, 195 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:21.600 you know, once you have something like that, generally other strange things follow 196 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.840 or have preceded. So I asked her anything else strange? She said, 197 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.960 well, you know, maybe doesn't have anything to do with it. But 198 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:36.080 people in her neighborhood around that time were seeing lights and strange craft, and 199 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:42.799 we're here it comes finding water missing from their swimming pools. Okay, same 200 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:48.279 thing above ground. They had an above It happened to them. They had 201 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.840 an above ground, not a drop on the ground. She said. Her 202 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.080 husband went all around the perimeter. You know how these above ground pools are 203 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:03.519 built. They have that framework along the bottom. Absolutely no leaks filled it 204 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.319 back up. The water stayed, so there was no leaks. And a 205 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:15.440 close neighbor of hers nearby, same thing. So now we have at least 206 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.640 three pools in the Hudson Valley from seventy five to eighty two and more, 207 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.720 she said. Other people in the neighborhood. I don't have a number on 208 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.039 that, so let's be generous and say another one or two. So let's 209 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:36.440 say at least five swimming pools in the Hudson Valley in those years lost water 210 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.880 that could not be accounted for. So I think we're above coincidence. Right, 211 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:48.119 Even if you could come up with some crazy theory for one of them, 212 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.799 how do you keep accounting that? Right, if we could explain one 213 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.160 of these, that doesn't mean we're going to be be able to explain all 214 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.000 of them. Right. The fact again, it's following that same path. 215 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.160 There's no trace of the water, there's no damage to the pool, there's 216 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.960 no you know, explainable reason why it's drained, there's no damage, there's 217 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:14.559 no leak. So it's too coincidental to have the same pattern showing up in 218 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:22.599 multiple you know, locations in the Hudson Valley and the rapidity or speed, 219 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:29.000 the rapidity at which these pools are drained. Now, it so happens when 220 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.440 I was interviewing Carol, were the saddest day days of the year, Or 221 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.880 when I'm draining our pool to close it for the winter. Oh, I'm 222 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:42.400 such a sad, sad person. Then what was that on South Park? 223 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:48.920 A sad panda? I was a sad panda. But anyway, I'm draining 224 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.079 the pool. It takes a while. We have you know, we've gone 225 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.480 now to a couple of those like some pump things. You drop them in 226 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.240 it does It takes a day or two at least, and we're only dropping 227 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.599 it a foot or two for our pool too. We don't drain all the 228 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:11.640 water. So a lot of these people say, if they are draining it 229 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.640 for the winter, you need three days generally, And we're talking a matter 230 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.880 of hours. She goes to bed by early morning. So let's say eight 231 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:26.880 hours. Eight thousand gallons disappear in eight hours. You're not drained a thousand 232 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.240 gallons an hour. Yeah, water, You're not draining it through a little 233 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:36.839 plug. You have some You have some serious suction going on here, because 234 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.000 I would think that the water, the rate in which you can drain it 235 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.480 is going to be dictated by if you're using suction, the diameter of the 236 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:51.039 tubes or the hoses. You couldn't siphon it that quick, no, you 237 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.079 know, I mean it would trickle out right if you're spher using a garden 238 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.240 hose to siphon it. So again, if we go with the eight thousand 239 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:03.359 gallons in eight hours, that's a thousand gallons an hour. That's incredible amount 240 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:08.000 of water exactly, and no sign of where it went right. So and 241 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:14.640 again, each of these cases there are sightings, there are lights, and 242 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.119 there are craft, and there is missing time. I don't think it's a 243 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.039 coincidence that a person who had a missing time incident, maybe they came back 244 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.000 to see her whatever and hey, let's take the pool water. But again, 245 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.480 what are they doing with this? I know there's people who have speculation 246 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:36.839 there, you know, it's part of their process, like you said, 247 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:42.920 propulsion or environmental or or who knows, who knows what are they taking the 248 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.880 water and breaking it down into its elements? You know? Yeah, for 249 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:52.640 something that's an hydrogen right, oxygen right right, you'd think they'd be able 250 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:55.119 to pull that out of the air. But maybe it's easier to do with 251 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.240 water, or it's a you know, uh, I don't know how convenient 252 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.640 it is to trans poured eight thousand gallons of water, but that'll break down 253 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:10.359 into a lot of hydrogen and oxygen. So other water involved cases, the 254 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:15.519 Great Wannacue reservoir case of January eleventh, nineteen sixty six. I think I've 255 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:18.799 spoken about this. I've certainly written about it. Let me give you an 256 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:26.240 idea of the of the witnesses for this. The mayor, Harry Wolfe, 257 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:33.519 three councilmen, the Civil of Defense administrator, the Chief of Police Floyd Elson, 258 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:40.160 many police officers, and the mother superior of a convent. Okay, 259 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:45.039 so we have quite array those good witnesses. Would I would think that would 260 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.160 stand up in court, Yeah, one would hope. I'm not calling mother 261 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:57.039 superior, no way. So part of what they were seeing was this large 262 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:03.039 craft over the reservoir. Remember it's January, so it's a frozen and a 263 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:11.599 beam of light was beaming down in burning holes through two inches of ice. 264 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:18.799 Okay, So why were they so determined? Did they need the liquid water 265 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:23.319 and needed to burn through the ice. Are they just having a bad day? 266 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.880 I mean, you know what's going on there. But you have all 267 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:34.000 of these high quality witnesses who they have a lot to lose, right right. 268 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:38.240 I Mean this is another common theme that we've discussed. When you get 269 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:44.599 into people with with some type of a social status or a position of authority, 270 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.000 A mayor, councilman, a chief of police or police officers, even 271 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:53.440 a mother superior. You're putting a lot on the line by coming forward and 272 00:22:53.920 --> 00:23:00.319 putting your your reputation behind this story. So to me, that just lends 273 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.160 that much more credibility. Right, do you want to be elected ever again? 274 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.480 Right? Do you want you're ever going to get promoted? Right? 275 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:08.640 Do you want to be laughed at? Right? No one wants to be 276 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.160 laughed at? Yeah, what's the church going to say of the mother superior 277 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.839 talking about UFOs burning holes in ice? So this had to be a very 278 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:26.440 dramatic, impactful sighting for them to go on the record with it. So 279 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.720 once again, it's having some sort of interaction with water. It seems to 280 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:37.559 be wanting to get to the liquid water. Would would you say that, 281 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.400 I'm yeah, I would think you're the only reason why you want to burn 282 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:47.079 holes is to get through that layer of ice to get to what's underneath it. 283 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.319 Right, And so at this point we need a disclaimer. If you 284 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.039 God help you go to YouTube or google UFOs drawing water. Well, there 285 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:06.799 are some spectacular videos, fake, fake, fake, Many have been boldly 286 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:15.279 debunked. It's it's just a shame. How there are places, you know, 287 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.039 we don't need to name them. That that's all they do. They 288 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:26.240 they have the technology to generate fake UFOs of videos, and unfortunately people still 289 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:32.039 fall for them hook line and see. It's it's unfortunate because the Internet has 290 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.920 been a godsend for researchers, you know, and how many times we mentioned 291 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.799 At one point the only way you could read about this stuff was to go 292 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.799 to the library. You didn't have access to all these different case files. 293 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.640 And now it's you can get government records online terribly redacted, you know, 294 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.359 full of black marks. Right, you can go online from your home and 295 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.279 do tremendous amount of research. But there's the flip side to that, coin 296 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:03.400 is very negative. It's there's so much faked evidence and it gets put out 297 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.079 there as authentic, and then it gets shared and it gets shared eventually it's 298 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.200 well, this is legit because it's on the Internet. And listen, if 299 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.119 you go to the movies, you can do tremendous things with CGI, right, 300 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.240 you know. I mean I just saw the new Star Wars. They 301 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:22.079 had all kinds of great spaceships flying around and people with a little bit of 302 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:29.039 knowledge of computers and animation and editing could make fantastic looking videos that looked strikingly 303 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.000 real. Yeah, but it doesn't make them real. Yeah, it used 304 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:37.799 to be. In the seventies eighties, you have video of your sighting that 305 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.440 was the holy growl, my god, let me see it. Now, 306 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.319 when I hear somebody as video of the sighting, it's like, oh, 307 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.720 no, you know it's it's It is almost a negative. Doesn't mean it 308 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.920 isn't legit. But you know, oh I have the best video, or 309 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:59.000 I say okay, so And that's because it's so easily faked, and it's 310 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.279 so hard to take an face value without taking the video. And now you 311 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.880 have to do so much more work to just evaluate that video. You can't. 312 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.519 Just thirty years ago, you could have basically accepted it on its face. 313 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:12.599 I mean, people could have tried to fake it right, a little 314 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:17.839 bit easier to tell when someone's you know, using fish line and right in 315 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.519 fake saucers to try to get the perspective versus now it's it's seamless. Right. 316 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:29.240 So it's a shame. Well, let's let's broaden our our pool topic 317 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.559 here to some other things. Uh, there's a website if you're interested. 318 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:41.880 In this WATERUFO dot net and it has some interesting classifications for these type of 319 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.680 sightings. I just love, love, love when someone takes one aspect of 320 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.559 ufology and consolidates it and really research puts it all together. I think that 321 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:59.599 is very valuable, you know, to accentuate a certain trait, because it 322 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.839 really get you thinking and you as much as we can start to put some 323 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:11.880 of these in categories or make some sense. But as for UFOs hovering water 324 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:21.119 over water, there there has been seen columns of fog, mist or haze 325 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:26.200 rising up from the water to the bottom of the craft. There's also just 326 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:32.319 been a lot of like whirlpools of water. There seems to be a lot 327 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:40.519 of swirling of the water as it's almost creating like a water spout type thing 328 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:48.359 going up to the craft. But again, to start delineating the different aspects, 329 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.519 not just a UFO over water, there's this fog, there's this haze. 330 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.640 Sometimes they hear like a wishing sound of the water going up. We'll 331 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.599 get to a lot of these, but sometimes there was a great description. 332 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.240 It looked like a reverse waterfall and when the craft took off, the water 333 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.200 came crashing back down, you know, because sometimes one hundred hundred and fifty 334 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.480 feet in the air, and when they're done with that column of water, 335 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.880 they take off in whatever field or effect they were using to pull it up. 336 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.119 Well, now there's this unsupported water, and you know, I think 337 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:30.000 that adds a lot of validity when the witnesses talk about this crashing, you 338 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.880 know, like waves smashing against which is what would happen exactly when gravity takes 339 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.359 over, it's gonna come crashing down. Right, Well, we do have 340 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:45.079 an Argentinian swimming pool story. Would you like to get into that next? 341 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:51.920 And we talked about this pre show. I do recall seeing a lot of 342 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.160 things occasionally online about Argentina and UFOs. So I don't know if it's necessarily 343 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.279 always swimming pool, but it does seem like Argentina comes up quite bit. 344 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.799 It does not sure what the connection is to that. It's not the Hudson 345 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.039 Valley, but no, Well they're also a lot more open to it, 346 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.960 right, So, would you like to discuss this Argentinian swimming pool? Yeah, 347 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.839 this is a pretty interesting case. And this came off of ufodigest dot 348 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.839 com. I'll read it. How's that that sounds? So February twenty fourth, 349 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:27.599 twenty eleven. According to a report in the website ufodigest dot com, 350 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:38.200 the sixteen thousand gallon swimming pool at the Hotel Maykel and oh Boy Eustiniano Passe, 351 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:47.160 Argentina, was inexplicably drained completely dry and less than a day after being 352 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.880 notified at the strange occurrence by the pool maintenance man, hotel owner Leelo Garcia 353 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.359 was astonished to find that not only was there no water in the pool itself, 354 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:02.640 there wasn't any on the surrounding deck itself. Said Garcia, I don't 355 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.720 understand because when we drained the pool to clean it such an amount of water 356 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.559 takes a day and a half to drain. We flood the patio and the 357 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.160 water runs down the street all the way to the canal. But this time 358 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:19.400 there was nothing, not a single drop of water anywhere around. The possibility 359 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.319 of theft by earthlings is being discounted because it would have taken five water trucks 360 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.000 to drain the pool, highly unlikely. No one would notice five water trucks 361 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.799 stealing there, and no such vehicles were observed, Nor did it appear to 362 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.200 be a case of cracked plaster. Since the maintenance man conducted a thorough examination 363 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:44.160 and found the shell to be completely intact. Indeed, the pool was subsequently 364 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:51.400 refilled and held water perfectly well. Sound familiar, Yes, so asufodigest dot 365 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.480 com who stole the water? Or as Ripleys would put it, was this 366 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:02.160 a genuine close encounter of the wet kind? And if the extraterrestials were so 367 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:07.480 thirsty, why wouldn't they drain a coke or a seven up factory instead, 368 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.000 or a Starbucks or a liquor store. Could it be that on their planet, 369 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.839 chlorine is considered a tasty treat. Yeah, so it was a good 370 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.480 article till they made fun of it at the end. Yes, but still 371 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:26.160 excellent information in this and very corroborative of what you've uncovered here in the Hudson 372 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:33.079 Valley. And I like when I read the sixteen thousand gallons double what we 373 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.839 were talking right? And not a drop right? So and again they mentioned 374 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.960 the time frame usually takes a day and a half and in less than a 375 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:47.640 day it's all gone and you fill it back up. Guess what, no 376 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.319 leaks? And again interesting to know no water anywhere around whereas normally when they 377 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.960 do drain it there's water on the deck. The water has to be you 378 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.559 know, sent down the street to the canal, and there's no where did 379 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.759 sixteen thousand that's a lot more water than eight thousand ro there would you would 380 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:12.839 think there'd be some trace of sixteen thousand gallons. And so now we've even 381 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:17.880 uped that you need a craft that can lift So we're talking. The last 382 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.599 one was what sixty six thousand pounds thirty three tons, So we're now looking 383 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:29.599 at what one hundred and twenty five thousand pounds sixty six tons of water. 384 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.400 That's a lot of thrust to lift up and some of the like at the 385 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.960 Kent Cliffs case, she saw a craft about oh no, excuse me. 386 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:47.400 In the Gary's mother seeing a craft about thirty feet in diameter. We don't 387 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:54.240 know how much or if water was pulled up, but what size vehicle do 388 00:32:54.319 --> 00:33:01.240 you need to take on an additional sixteen thousand gallons or sixty six tons? 389 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.440 And then and then once assuming it's being brought up to say a UFO, 390 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.279 what are they doing with it? Are they storing it? Are they is 391 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:13.640 it going undergoing some kind of immediate processing? Yeah, again, you have 392 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.240 to have a big storage facility. So it's it's it's mind boggling. It 393 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.920 is, you know, can I absolutely say UFOs took them? No, 394 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:30.319 but we have UFO sightings and pool water disappearance inexplicable pool water disappearance is happening 395 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:36.559 at the same time. So then we go to twenty ten and this information 396 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:43.720 I got on the Church of Ufology dot blog spot. So it's an article 397 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:52.880 by Gary Richmond where we're back in Argentina. Here the title is town Dazed 398 00:33:52.200 --> 00:34:00.720 as UFOs suck up tons of water from swimming pools plural. So I can 399 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.279 just go and it's pretty much the same type of thing. But this police 400 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:14.239 sergeant Carlos Oh, here we go Palacios of Olivaria, Argentina, said, 401 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:22.280 I personally saw a huge illuminated oval object cruising over housetops and strange as it 402 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:27.920 seems, I saw it pull water up out of a swimming pool. So 403 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:35.800 now here's a police sergeant who physically witnesses a large UFO taking that pool water. 404 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.960 So I think that's a really big link in this chain of chain of 405 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.880 evidence. Here he went on to say, there was no noise and I 406 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.760 even verified it by checking the pool. It was empty. I couldn't believe 407 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.440 my eyes. But as incredible as it sounds, it was not science fiction. 408 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.119 So here we are sitting in the Hudson Valley trying to figure out disappearing 409 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.519 pool water and down in ourg you know, back in the seventies and eighties, 410 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.280 and around twenty ten and twenty eleven, it's happening in Argentina. So 411 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.519 again, that's why I think it's so important to focus it on a topic, 412 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:21.280 hone in on it, and pull in all the information. Because if 413 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.000 I just stood in front of an audience and say, oh, one day 414 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:28.559 a pool was empty, and I think it's a UFO, that's a big 415 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.960 leap. Without this kind of fills in that missing blank piece where you can 416 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.719 say, okay, they're drained, and we have a report where UFO a 417 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.920 scene or an object to scene draining it right? And do you want to 418 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.480 go over some of the other parts highlighted there? And then we will go 419 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:53.280 to a break and have some more interesting cases. So Sergeant Palacios hope, 420 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.639 and I pronounce his name right. As a fellow police officer, I wouldn't 421 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:02.679 want to insult him. But it was repeated itself several nights in early January, 422 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.079 and it caused a sensation in the town, which is about two hundred 423 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.199 miles from Buenos Aires. And what I mentioned, what I thought was interesting. 424 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.480 They mentioned the The Final Battle the TV series right, and as a 425 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.719 teenager, I was obsessed with that, and then my own sons and they 426 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.480 were little, we used to watch it on DVD, oh, okay and 427 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.400 over. But the whole premise was they disguised themselves as friendly aliens because they 428 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.559 wanted the Earth's water, and they would actually show scenes where they were sucking 429 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:36.760 the water up out of the ocean rights end. So kind of an interesting 430 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:44.920 connection there. But accordingly, I saw a huge, long oval object, 431 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:51.400 literally parked about one hundred feet above the yard, said electrician Carlos Boreelli, 432 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.800 who was awakened at three am by bright lights outside. The object was twice 433 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.920 the size of a blimp, had a ring of colored lights which flashed on 434 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:06.679 and off red, yellow, orange, and green. According to Carlos, 435 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.920 this is the electrician. All of a sudden, a beam of bright white 436 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.960 light shot down from the object, and the water from the pool rushed up 437 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.719 through the light so fast it appeared it was being sucked up a drinking straw. 438 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.519 Wow, Suddenly the object shot off at an incredible speed. In less 439 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:28.639 than three seconds, it was gone. The whole event took ten or twenty 440 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:36.199 seconds, So ten and twenty seconds to probably drain at least eight thousand gallons. 441 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.119 That's unless it was a larger pool. So right, I mean, 442 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.159 yeah, it's probably at the low end. Right, So what rate? 443 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.280 What is the flow rate of draining eight thousand gallons and ten seconds? Yeah? 444 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.840 A thousand gallons a second. Yeah, that's close. It's something we 445 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:59.679 can do. Another experience with Jose Viega, a manager of a local bank, 446 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:05.599 added that the pool at his bank's employee club also was struck. According 447 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.599 to Jose, his club was visited by a flying saucer which emptied their swimming 448 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:15.679 pool. More than ten thousand gallons disappeared. Other area residents, including Roman 449 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:27.519 Catholic priest Romeo Mussargano and two Argentine Army soldiers, reported seeing UFOs brightly lit 450 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.039 UFOs there you go, and more than twenty witnesses of a high caliber saw 451 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:37.719 the incredible lights in the sky, according to Assistant police Chief Juan Carlos Logabardi. 452 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:43.239 So another police witness who's corroborating that information. And Roman Catholic priests, 453 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.320 you would hope they would not be lying about such a thing, right, 454 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.440 and army soldiers, I mean again, people who tend to have something to 455 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:59.679 lose by coming forward. So the follow up to this is that they visited 456 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.880 an old gentleman in Elma, Washington who had seen the UFO over a close 457 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.239 by beaver pond suck up the water. It had lowered the pond over a 458 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:13.079 foot. Interesting that the pond was full of bullfrogs, water plants, and 459 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.920 et cetera. So if they wanted to study what's in our water, they 460 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.800 kind of got the whole, the whole gamut. Yeah. To to lower 461 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.679 an entire pond by a foot with a quick visit, yeah, remarkable. 462 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.719 And this author Gary Richmond, speculated that they may be taking the water to 463 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.239 obtain the hydrogen. So again that's speculation, but I think it's an interesting 464 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:43.079 speculation. Sure sure, So again great corroborative cases. I love through the 465 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.320 way said it was like sucking it up through a straw in ten to twenty 466 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.280 seconds and then gone and gone, and three seconds is gone. That is 467 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:58.440 remarkable. So we will take our second break and then come back with a 468 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:06.000 po Perrie water Cases. Hi, this is Big Jim Wheeler. You know 469 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:07.760 I grew up on a farm as a kid, and well, back in 470 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.400 those days, we didn't have much TV to watch. It's all as a 471 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.119 family, we'd sit around the radio and we'd listen to those old shows. 472 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.559 Well, I've become a huge fan of those classic radio shows and I'm thrilled 473 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.400 to share my personal collection of original broadcast recordings with you. Well we got 474 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:30.000 old Western superheroes, classic stories. Oh we got them all. Check out 475 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.239 Hudson River Radio's Classic Radio Theater on Sundays at nine am and again at nine 476 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.119 pm. And don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. Still you never miss 477 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:44.679 a show. This is Big Jim Wheeler signing off and hoping you enjoy the 478 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:51.400 show streaming live from Stony Point. Because she is Hudson River Radio dot com. 479 00:40:51.559 --> 00:41:00.360 You are a local Rockland County station, and we're back here at the 480 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.400 studios of Hudson Valley or Hudson River Radio dot com. Wait, it's the 481 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.440 first time I've been in the studio in a few weeks. Right, it's 482 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.079 been a long so I'm like, yes, used to skyping. You have 483 00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.039 to get familiar with the place. Again, we're talking about UFOs and their 484 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:20.159 connection to water and specifically draining water out of swimming pools. It's an interesting 485 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.840 topic, one I've never really thought much about. And you've done, you 486 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.880 know, incredible research on events in the Hudson Valley as well as some connection 487 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.719 with some events in Argentina. But you have a plethora now. Oh yes, 488 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:39.360 and I have to thank there. There is a book called the Physical 489 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:46.840 Influences of a UFO on Water and uh, oh, shame on me. 490 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.840 I didn't write. Oh, Carl find c A R L F E I 491 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.880 N D T. I have not read his book. I have looked at 492 00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:02.199 some excerpts online. I just discovered the not too long ago. It certainly 493 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:08.079 sounds like a type of reference that every good ufologist should should have at their 494 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:17.239 fingertips. But he did a remarkable gathering, made these charts of all of 495 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:23.559 these different related sites. So we have the Hudson Valley, we have in 496 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:30.719 seventies and eighties, we have Argentina about ten twenty years ago. But this 497 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:39.760 list is absolutely remarkable that he's compiled, going back to nineteen fourteen near Georgia 498 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:46.119 Bay in Canada, where it was described that a ship rose up out of 499 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:52.639 the water and took When it took off, it left a mist which lasted 500 00:42:52.719 --> 00:43:00.559 for a very long time. So I think that's extremely important. What mechanism 501 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:07.840 created that missed something about its propulsion? Was it really hot and it was 502 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:14.519 steam? They didn't describe it as steam? But what is it doing? 503 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.119 Right? And we're talking nineteen fourteen, so I I think we can say 504 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:24.039 the Canadian military was not having some sort of prototype, you know, secret 505 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:30.840 stealth military craft and it's and there was no civilian craft that was capable of 506 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.880 doing this. No, no, no, you know we have we have 507 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.199 missiles that can be launched out of the water. I know there are some 508 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.599 patents that have recently been filed for craft that can go in and out of 509 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:52.840 the water. But still it's it is a trick to be able to have 510 00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:00.239 the capability to fly successfully and also maneuver underwater successfully with the same craft and 511 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:08.719 come in and out with impunity. There. So nineteen seventeen outside of Grand 512 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:15.159 Harbor, Malta, So now we're we're over on the other side of the 513 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:22.239 earth. Out of there was a white cloud that rose up out of the 514 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.360 water and this was one of the cases that as this white cloud rose up 515 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.480 out of the water, this UFO shot out of it and the water fell 516 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.320 back down. So we've heard of UFO's kind of hiding in clouds. Is 517 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.880 this one ready made? He's coming out of the water as a cloud. 518 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:51.599 It's just if you want to name some of these different locations, just to 519 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.079 give us an idea of how often and where these have happened. Yeah, 520 00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.679 I mean nineteen fifty five Ocean Beach near San Diego, California. Yeah, 521 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:07.440 nineteen fifty seven south to Sebastiallo, Brazil. That was like a jet, 522 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.559 like a water spout and a pop bellied machine. Yeah, what an on 523 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.920 earth? Is that? So an interesting description because that's not when you hear 524 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:21.000 often no as a UFO, no pop bellied. No. I'm picturing one 525 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.559 of those old stoves on most right, Lake Becker near bra Lorne, British 526 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.360 Columbia, Canada. So Canada again, that was back in sixty one, 527 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:35.239 nineteen sixty one, again the Baltic Sea off of Leba, Poland. This 528 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.599 one hovered whirlpool with a loud suctioning sound or a loud sucking se right, 529 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.079 So there's a whirlpool of water being pulled up into this craft. Again, 530 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.480 so I know some of what I read in his book speculating some sort of 531 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.360 magnetic field creating a vortext to create that water spout to come out. Who 532 00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:04.719 knows it's it's you know worth speculating on nineteen sixty four Casita's Damn near Ventura, 533 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.960 California. It was a whirling funnel, which I guess is very similar 534 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:15.519 to the idea of a spout spinning around right, right, same idea nineteen 535 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:21.360 sixty five the Red Sea, a fiery sixty meters sphere out of the water 536 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:25.960 at one hundred and fifty meters giant pillar of water which then collapsed. Right, 537 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.960 So you have a sixty meter sphere comes out of the water, it 538 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:38.199 pulls up one hundred and fifty meter high column of water. What wow, 539 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:44.679 what kind of force, right does that need? And then this was one 540 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.360 of the ones after the sphere takes off, Bam, imagine a column of 541 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.159 water one hundred and fifty meters high, and who knows what diameter? I'm 542 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:57.719 sure right right, what was it the diameter of the sphere, It's not 543 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.920 quite clear in the report, but so that that's out of the Red Sea 544 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.920 and how many gallons of water would have been in that one hundred and fifty 545 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:12.559 meters cost to come crashing down Yep, the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida Keys 546 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:19.800 in nineteen sixty six, eerie pulsations of light greenish volume of water or vapor. 547 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:27.159 This one interesting add on dead fish. Yes, and I did start 548 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:34.119 finding that, particularly when craft come out of water, there is often a 549 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.519 fish kill. You know, I kill off of fish in that area. 550 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:44.840 So is it some sort of electrical field they're using. Is it a microwave 551 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:51.840 that they're literally frying these fish underwater? What is it that they're doing is 552 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.599 it? Is it just the force? It probably doesn't seem likely that it's 553 00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:04.400 just a physical force to kill so many fish, But yeah, another another 554 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.079 piece to the puzzle, and another way to corroborate the fact that these are 555 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.400 having a physical effect on the environment. They're interacting with the environment. Excellent, 556 00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.760 Exactly. The fish aren't imagining this, right, they're dead, right, 557 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.599 Something is there. It's interacting and it's causing this to happen, not 558 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.760 just taking the water, but it's clearly affecting living organisms. I would love 559 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.360 to have been able to take samples of those fish, do a little neck 560 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:34.360 cropsy as they are mind out what killed them. Nineteen sixty six. Again 561 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:40.639 we have an unnamed lake near Corpus Christi, Texas. Nineteen seventy one August 562 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.039 the Tyranny and Sea off of Malaso, Italy. Sounds like a nice place 563 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.239 to be right now. Yeah, three columns of water to three lights and 564 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.840 clouds. So here we have a triple So there are three UFOs in the 565 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.199 air pulling out three columns of water. I mean, does the plot thicken 566 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.320 here? Maybe they like Italy too this time of the day. That could 567 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:08.039 be in August of nineteen seventy one and an unknown location along New River, 568 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:14.880 Guyana, nineteen seventy three, the Clackamus River near West Lynne, Oregon, 569 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:22.519 nineteen eighty an unnamed pond near Wappello, Iowa, September of nineteen eighty a 570 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:28.800 water tank on a farm near Rosedale, Victoria, Australia. So we are 571 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:37.360 all over the world and it's stretching back to nineteen fourteen. This I thought 572 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:45.440 was I added this because it's not directly water, but in a frozen form. 573 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.599 In nineteen fifty seven, a very experienced pilot had thousands of hours, 574 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:55.440 was flying in Minnesota, saw a circular craft fifteen to eight feet in diameter. 575 00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:02.239 He said there was an odd glow and was sucking up loose snow as 576 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:08.039 it passed. That's an interesting twist, right, taking up water in its 577 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:15.079 frozen form. But still was it incidental that it was pulling up because of 578 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:22.760 whatever propulsion or in ten It seems it seems if you're pulling snow up into 579 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.519 you, you'd kind of want that to happen. You would hope they wouldn't. 580 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.480 Oh damn, every time I fly for snow my engines get clogged. 581 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.960 You would think that was an intentional thing. I have a driveway the next 582 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.199 time it snows, they'd want to come take snow. That would be nice 583 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:44.519 please. So we still have a few more if you want to go over 584 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.639 this list. Yeah, this is, I mean, right remarkable everywhere in 585 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:51.440 the world, Malta, Australia, can. I did want to just touch 586 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.159 on the fact that the water tank in Australia. So now we're going from 587 00:50:54.199 --> 00:51:00.320 pools to ponds or natural bodies to a water tank, right, So we're 588 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.039 really covering all these different possibilities. We have one in nineteen ninety two at 589 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:10.719 the Atlantic Ocean near Aguape, Brazil, which was a UFO with lots of 590 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:17.320 lights and a sailboat. Yes, involving a collision. Yeah, so do 591 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:21.519 you want to mention that? Yeah, it was a near collision. They 592 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.199 thought there were these people on the sailboat, Oh my god, what the 593 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.519 hell is that we're about to you know, we're about to run into it. 594 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.679 And then they're only about twenty meters from it and they see new, 595 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.280 it's not a sailboat. It is just six meters above the water. That 596 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:45.519 is very close is a UFO that is sucking up a column of water the 597 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.480 entire width of the UFO. I think that's really important because we're not talking. 598 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.239 It has a little spout that it's pulling the entire How does that work? 599 00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.360 That's a tremendous amount. How do you pull in an you know, 600 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:06.079 something the width of the bottom of your craft and six meters off of the 601 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.639 ground or off the water, which is what twenty five feet maybe? Yeah, 602 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.840 and that's only uh yeah, what is that some twenty ish? Yeah, 603 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.559 So that's that's just back in nineteen ninety two. This isn't you know, 604 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:23.440 eighteen eighty six, you know, sailor's tail in Santa Rosa. The 605 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:29.920 golf during the Gulf breeze in nineteen you know, golf breeze Florida, nineteen 606 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:36.639 ninety four people said they saw a mist swirling into the air and in the 607 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:43.599 center of the plume was shooting up to the bottom of a ufo. Again 608 00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.639 all right, again and again, year after year. If you want to 609 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.159 continue with the uh yeah, nineteen ninety five, we go to the UK, 610 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.000 the Mercy River near Fiddler's Ferry. Same thing. This one's a bell 611 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:02.679 shaped craft sucking up a column of water. Nineteen ninety six in l Esperanza 612 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:13.280 Bay my pronunciation, the island of you know, Puerto Rico, like a 613 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.039 whirlpool, flying saucers sucking water out of the sea. So a lot of 614 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.239 these are going to the ocean now that we've been dealing with right, right, 615 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.840 and again the swirling vortex type whirlpool. Very similar themes when you start 616 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:29.599 to read these, yes, in a chronological that's why it's so important this 617 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:35.000 man's work to pull these together. It's not you know, it's not a 618 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.320 crazy person in the Hudson Valley, you know who forgot that they're you know 619 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:45.000 to fill their pool right in two thousand July of two thousand, we have 620 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:51.039 the Caribbean Sea off the south coast of have you say that again? Island? 621 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:57.159 Okay? So the Puerto Rico has quite the UFO sightings. They actually 622 00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.440 have a highway there with it's called the UFO or the Extraterrestrial Highway. They 623 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:07.039 have signs on the highway. Wow, because there's so many sightings. We 624 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.159 have the Pacific Ocean off Punta San San Antonio, Mexico. In June of 625 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.800 two thousand and six. February two thousand and seven, we have an unnamed 626 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:21.119 lake in west Lake, South Australia. February two thousand and nine, we 627 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.719 have a small stream near Cinderford in the United Kingdom. Oh here's one of 628 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:30.639 my favorite. I you'd like that. In April of twenty and eleven, 629 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:37.119 Lake finnvick Vatnet near Tromso, Norway. Have you been to I've been to 630 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.960 Tromso. I've been through Trompson. Okay, Okay, up in the north 631 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.519 a little bit. Okay, So in April in Trompso, would they have 632 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.599 liquid water? Yeah? Oh yeah, most likely yeah, late April, 633 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:57.440 that's not too cold up there right well, to you, that's true, 634 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.800 I'm cold in June's So there was another case in Alaska in nineteen seventy eight, 635 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.039 a triangular craft. Most of what now, if you'd been, we've 636 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:15.760 been. I'm just putting this together. Most of what was seen were circular 637 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.519 or oval shaped craft up to now. Correct, Yes, so you'd say, 638 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.679 well, it's only the oval ones that need the water. Well, 639 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:28.119 in seventy eight in Alaska, a triangular shaped craft. This was the one. 640 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:32.920 It was described as like a waterfall going up into it. And that's 641 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:42.039 just dominating. That is just just remarkable. So what do we conclude from 642 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:46.440 all of this? I think, like everything else in this field, our 643 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:52.320 conclusion is that there's no such thing as an easy answer. And bringing it 644 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:59.480 back to the Hudson Valley is we are really the microcosm for the UFO experience 645 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:07.159 worldwide. Everything that's happening worldwide is happening here that all the time, and 646 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.679 again I think we're we are the hotbed. And yes, it happens in 647 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.360 other places in the world, but when you read these accounts, the people 648 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.440 you've talked to, all these things happening all over the world are happening to 649 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:22.599 people right here in the Hudson Valley and I love the I have to write 650 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.000 this down. That was good. That was good. Yeah, no, 651 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.559 you're you're exactly right. We can tell you know, things that happen in 652 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:37.960 Malta and Argentina and Tromso, Norway. Yeah, we've had it happen right 653 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:44.559 here and a lot of it. So what does that mean is the is 654 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:50.159 the water going up for propulsion? Is some of these cases it clearly seems 655 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.639 that the water is it's the is just upwelling. When the thing comes out, 656 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:59.320 it's like incidental. But yet there are other clear cases where they are 657 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.960 just sucking it, sucking it right up. So I think I'll have to 658 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.840 get that that book again. The name of the book was Physical Influences of 659 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:14.840 a UFO on Water And unfortunately Carl find I wanted to interview him. He 660 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.159 has passed away in the last few years, but I know his book has 661 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.079 a lot of diagrams and his theories on how this is happening, what they're 662 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:30.280 using the water for so and it does show the need for specialty research in 663 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.400 the field. Absolutely. So many people when they write about this, they 664 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.599 want to write about everything. What this man has done is really taking a 665 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:43.280 specific niche and said, okay, I want to this the water phenomenon. 666 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.480 And like you said, for researchers to go to this and for our listeners, 667 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.280 you can't see it when you look at a list in front of you, 668 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.000 and this is a partial I did. Yeah, you know, this 669 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:58.639 is just in fractional I'll hold it up. Where's the camera, so just 670 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:02.199 to show you when you look at a list and can see the dates and 671 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.400 where there and the accounts, it really starts to drive home how prevalent this 672 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.639 is. We think it's isolated, but it's not so. Yeah, and 673 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:17.079 I love your idea. When you know, researchers, let's cover everything that's 674 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:22.239 good to a point. But when you just focus on something like the water 675 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.880 aspect, suddenly a little light bulb has to go off and say, well, 676 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.639 what the hell are they doing with it? Right? How are they 677 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:36.760 using it? What do they want it for? Absolutely, you know it's 678 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.800 it's it's happening in pools, in rivers, in lakes, in the ocean, 679 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:45.920 so clearly they need it. Now we have to figure out why do 680 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.400 they need it. They're taking it for a reason. This isn't just happening 681 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.719 right right for sure. And I want to give out that website water UFO 682 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:59.440 dot net that you had mentioned, So if you are interested listening, remember 683 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.519 you can always find our radio shows on Hudson Riverradio dot com. Yes, 684 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:08.280 so if you've new to the UFO Headquarters podcast, you can get them online 685 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.000 and you can listen to all of them and then listen to them again and 686 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:16.360 again because they're really good. We get a lot of good feedback from people. 687 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.840 And I do want to thank everybody that listens because we have such a 688 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.159 great following of people from all over the world. We really do, and 689 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:30.159 without you listening, we wouldn't be here and bringing you this information. So 690 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.199 you know, I thank you for taking an hour of your time to listen 691 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.559 to Linda and I and to you know, if you can support Hudson River 692 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.960 Radio, tune in listen to their other shows. They do phenomenal work. 693 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:45.280 It's awesome. Yeah, it's again. We couldn't do what we do if 694 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.079 you weren't sitting out there listening, So thank you. And if you do 695 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:54.639 have an interesting water related case or anything, please definitely get get in touch. 696 00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:01.599 It's important to add to this body of of knowledge and evidence. And 697 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:06.360 yes, I do have books, go to Amazon, look up in the 698 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:10.960 night Sky, Hudson Valley UFOs, and I have a lot of other cases. 699 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:16.320 So and we believe you. That's another thing is, don't feel that 700 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.199 if you contact us, you know we're we're open to listening to you absolutely. 701 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.639 You know, don't feel like you're alone and can't bring your story out 702 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:27.760 or you're gonna be ridiculed because you're not. Yeah, people always start out, 703 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.000 you know, kind of embarrassed and say, well, you're gonna think 704 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.599 I'm nuts, and I'm like, what do you think I do? Look 705 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:37.159 what I do? You know, No, I'm not. So again, 706 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:43.119 thank you and everybody in the pool. Yes, have a good night. 707 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:05.480 Do do do do do do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do 708 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:14.960 Do Do Do Do Do Do do do do Do. This is Hudson River 709 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:21.679 Radio dot com. Hi, I'm Green Diva Max, and I'm Green Diva 710 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:27.000 Max. Sip that cup of organic fair trade Joe and tune into the Green 711 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:34.000 Divas Saturday mornings at ten am right here on Hudson River Radio dot com.