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October twenty third, two thousand and twenty three. I'm Sean Forker with
James Baker, Henry May and Matt Arner, Episode eighty one. Tonight Bigfoot
Video two, as we had previously done a Bigfoot video episode earlier, not
missing Vance Nesbit. The Vance is out tonight with a medical issue and we
do wish him a speedy recovery. So with Vance being out this week,
Buddy, will Misha take the time. He'll up get well soon and there
will not be a big Foot bullet in this week. So for folks that
tune in for that, sorry to disappoint you, but I know he'll be
back in the saddle. He messaged me earlier and said he really wish you
could be here, but I told him to take the night off. I
want him to be healthy and in a good frame of mind when he's coming
on the show, not worrying about us guys, worrying about you know,
doing well and getting better, right, That's what we really care about.
Baker, Henry, Matt, how you guys doing tonight? Well, we
take a minute there, How are you very well here I'm doing okay.
Yeah, So this is what happens when we used to having a chatty kathy
with us. Nobody does what to do it the awkward pauses. So we'll
get there. We got to bus Vance's balls a little bit. Even though
he's not on with us tonight, we do know Vance's one for the chattering
and he keeps us all on toes. So we'll get our pacing here amongst
us. But some great things that have been going on guys thirty best Bigfoot
podcast you need to follow. Feed Spot, of course, is one of
those Internet aggregators always constantly ranking and looking at material. We made the number
one spot again the second time in the rows. We are the number one
of the top thirty best Bigfoot podcasts to Follow, and part of that is
for originality, expertise. There's a whole bunch of criteria that goes into it.
So for the folks at feed Spot, were grateful for your continual support
and continuously ranking us. As the second month in a row we've been rated
the number one must follow them for podcast. Considering they're one of the oldest,
that's a pretty remarkable achievement, right, you know, been doing this
at SO five oh six, and it's been a long journey. We took
a little bit of a sabbatical, but we've been back and I know what
times we've kind of, you know, lost our footing. But I have
to tell you some a really nice comment from our buddy Alasquatch Larry Beans Baxter,
you know, and they were talking about the Bigfoot show. Matt,
you brought this to my attention this week and how there's too many eyewitness driven
bigfoot shows and you know, to his point, there are a lot where
everything's like driving at home. But we've kind of always yeah, we've had
some shows that we're talking about witness sightings, but we've always kind of just
been a general variety kind of discussion show, going back to those old days
of that's what the shows you know, really were, and you know,
in the days of creepy pastas and crypto fiction. I'm glad that we can
still kind of keep to our convictions and still do true kind of research driven,
conversational based podcasting on our favorite subject, of course, which is sasquay.
I'd like to add what I generally when I go out to do my
research, I'll listen to this podcast and a few there's a few other podcasts
I do listen to that that feature you know, the researchers, you know,
anything coming up new. On the return trip, I just have that,
like you know, I just got to get that like Sasquatch Chronicle or
you know something like that. Something right, Yeah, kind of, but
on the way out, it's listening to where the research is, you know,
is heading, you know, things to look for, things that are
coming out now that you know it could be utilized in the field, and
you know, but again, you know, once you're out in the field
and and you've been climbing those mountains and then it's time to come home,
then it's time to listen to those to those different experienced podcasts. I it's
kind of like a guilty pleasure for me, so most definitely, But I
think also the fact we're getting older, so those return trips from the mountains
need a little bit more recovery time, so those podcasts kind kind of give
us recovered, but also get us back at our toes right there. And
again, folks, everybody, you're allowed to enjoy this in whatever way,
shape or form you like. If witness inspired podcasts are your thing, Mazatov,
go for it. Like, we're not telling you that there's a right
way or a wrong way to enjoy your bigfoot research. But our way is
the way we've been doing it for a long time. Uh. You know.
The downside to our way is we don't get the click bait and the
fantastical drives to the show. It's a slow burn. But I've always felt
good that we've always kind of remained true to our convictions. Right. We
haven't had to rely on clickbait. We haven't had to have had sensational headlines
to drive the show. Well, you've taken your top off change, but
you know, we haven't had to do things that kind of compromise the integrity
of what we do, right. So I'm always proud of that. And
again, you guys, love and do your Bigfoot the way you want to.
It's just nice to get the recognition one of the top ten thirty best
Bigfoot podcasts to follow as a shout out from our good friend Larry Beans Baxter
at a Last Squatch. That's ay, it's just a little bit of an
honor and we appreciate that. Thank you. Bill Rigby says, Hi,
guys, how you doing, Hilly Billy down there, and Sharon Pennsylvania our
buddy out there, the other listeners. Thanks for tuning in tonight. We'll
try to acknowledge as we go through. Henry, you've got your copy of
the Bigfoot Times from Bigfoot Times, dott Daniel Perez. There were some some
interesting books coming out here. Do you want to touch on that real quick?
Some things that I think our listeners need to get the wallets out and
start getting ready for. Yes, there is a new book coming out which
is by Dustin Severs. It's called The Abominable Snowman of California. And there
have been a couple of recommendations already for the book by Steven Stroyford and Thomas
Steinberg. And that's Bigfoot Times dot Net. By the way, Daniel has
a list of he's attempting to list every single book ever written on Sasquatch or
Yetni or other related kryptis and he's got on his website Bigfoot Times dot net.
You guys want to check it out, Henry, didn't you used to
have a compilation site? What then? You used to have a bibliography blog?
I used to. I think I'm taking it down I don't know why,
Daniel. I'm trying, but Daniel is way ahead of me. Henry's
conceding. Henry, damn it. You gotta get your throne back. Man.
One one thing that I found is, uh, you have the bibliography
pages. But if you follow uh Henry, or if you if you follow
Daniel, uh, they'll post uh. You know when when these books come
out, if they if they get to read on it, if they in
and Henry and and Daniel have given incredible reviews of the books, so uh,
you know, having them go through in and again. The two of
them are you know, you know, the the two encyclopedias for the for
the Bigfoot world. So hearing from them is is definitely a big plus.
Yeah, most definitely. You couldn't get two greater guys to get a little
bigfoot knowledge from right. It looks like Henry, we blushed a little bit,
and you made him blush and again shy, Yeah, man disappeared.
But honestly, and the other book, of course, Henry Franzoni wrote his
book Failing in a cooler way, why I never found a Bigfoot? And
I'm anxious to read that one. Henry, I meant many many years ago
virtually on the Internet, and if you followed my presentations, we always do
this little diddy about how it was never really safe to meet strange men and
talk about big harry things on the Internet. But back in the early nineties
it was a little stiffer than it is today, and that's how a lot
of us first met up and talked. And I think when Cliff and I
were in Ohio, we were talking about our first Internet exchanges way back in
the day when I was just a SnO knows kid and I'm still a snot
nos kid to some people. But you know, see these folks that you
know if I respect them and admired for a long time pushing out some books.
You know, the fact I haven't written mine or finished it yet.
I've written some of it, i haven't finished it yet. Matt's the only
one that has seen any of this, Uh, gives me hope that,
you know what, one day, I'll get it out there. I'll get
that book finished one day. I'm working on a book as well, but
it's a fictional piece. So I believe I've told you guys about that before,
and it's kind of timely right now. It was about Uh, I'll
just go briefly over. The synopsis is there's a major league scout that is
down on his luck and he's out hitting all these little towns trying to find
the next big uh big baseball star. His car breaks down in the middle
of the Sierra Madres and he finds a big foot, and somehow he gets
the big Foot to play baseball. I haven't figured the name yet, but
I think it. I think we could. It's gonna be a great book.
And disit knocking on your door? Yeah, Matfield, I could,
Yeah we could. I'm taking taking all sorts of ideas for names. So
big Foot at bat, I don't know about. Yeah, you know,
Harry home run my hair right, I may not have. Yeah, that
sell a couple of hundred before people really realized exactly. My hairy home run
was also the nickname of Baker's uh authored prom night Ronde his house. So
anyhow, let's get back to white people came in if there wasn't much grooming,
what good god, we knew he was gonna go up there. Okay,
stop, good god man, it's a family show of some sort.
I started it. I started it, I own it. Uh, So
you know we got good. God, now I lost my train thought.
We talked about the books there following my train of thought, squatchnuts dot com
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field guide. It's a great resource, uh for our budding uh bigfoot enthusiasts
out there to go and get familiar with the wilderness and you know, different
activities that could be Bigfoot related. So on the really odd, timely past
segue that is leading to no good direction, let's get into the topic of
tonight's show, which is bigfoot videos. And folks, if you're here,
you know no stranger to what hit the internet last week, the deluge of
just commentary over this video from California or Colorado, I don't know California,
Colorado. Yep, thank you, Henry. And I'm going to go ahead
and we'll show what you guys can see it where we go here, and
then we'll talk about it and play like that one more time, because I
think I screwed it up. Oh it's gonna need to go to therapy.
There we go. Now, you guys have seen this time and time again,
right, Yes, Bigfoot on a hill yeah by and then my boss
actually sent it to me because we were talking about stuff and he needed to
kind of unload on something different. But yeah, yeah, we know you
can't see the video yet. We're working on that. Yeah, I kind
of butchered that one, but we'll get it better as we go through here.
But anyhow, as you saw it was that big Foot from the train
footage in Colorado, Matt. You know, one of the issues I had
with that footage was, you know, just quite simply the fact that the
resolution just wasn't there for really, you know, the image built blit blended
right into the background. Definitely not a it really looked costume. It really
did very bad from the bottom of the feet, right. And I think
the more annoying thing about it is that all the conversations and people contacting us
afterwards to ask us what we think of it like blatantly obvious that it's you
know, a kind of a tongue in shape video. But Steve Calls over
on squatch DTV did a really good breakdown on this in one of his deep
dive segments go to Squatch squatchdtv dot com. He really goes into it.
I mean he lies up the mapping because one of the California or the I
keep saying California Sasquatch Expedition Campers there in Colorado near where this train was going
through. They have a habit of using Sasquatch and their promotional materials. Alex
Betekov pointed that out on the internet. Steve Cales got wind of it,
and then he went and really put together this great, you know, short
four minute video. It's not very long for folks to go check it out.
But the thing is that Steve nails and you know, timing is everything
in this world. They post the train times as it's going near these particular
areas, and they post that on their website, and the Squatch Expedition Campers,
Sasquatch Expedition Campers isn't that far away and it runs really close to their
property. So they could pull that hoax off or that promotional stunt with really
little to no effort at all needing to be made. We got a comment
for somebody in the chatroom that said, have been great. If a real
Bigfoot came down the hill and beat the shit out of one of the videos,
that would be one. Yeah it's mating season. Oh that would be
worse. That would be much different outcome on that one. But funny,
Yeah, they said before the ride started, they said to watch for bigfoot
on this ride. So yeah, I mean, like again, when we
talk about videos, you know, Steve does a really good breakdown on it.
Uh. We bring this up because it's probably the more recent. There
have been a couple other ones. I saw one from Utah as well.
I don't know if you guys saw that one at all. It was pretty
strange. It's just pretty much like a costume, Like the head part of
it. I couldn't make out a whole lot. But somebody in the comments
said, get some black electrical tape so they can wrap it around their ankles
to keep the costume from bell bottoming out. You know, it seems to
be an issue with these costumes that maybe they were made for the the retro
look. I don't know, but definitely something that you know is problematic,
really calls out these you know, die hard hoaxings. There's people who still
think this videos of are real sasquats, and I'm like, there's no way
to help give the clue. People get a clue, well, they're not
asking it what they can get so that they can legitimize something they may have
seen, or there's a mental issue there. But I think at the end
of the day, like this is kind of the argument I have all the
time, is these videos don't help the average researcher because basically it just makes
us look stupid a lot of times. And like I've said a hundred times,
this a lot of I've never seen anything. But the people that I've
talked to that are highly intelligent say, there's a lot of clues to this
whole question, okay, and they believe in the science behind it. And
I can get behind that one hundred and ten percent. But videos like this
and that Jacobs and video, and a couple of the other videos and even
shoot myself with the foot here, even the Patterson give one video. They're
great videos. But the problem with it is is that you only see the
little part they want to show you. What I want is if you're mad,
if you tomorrow see a sasquatch, what I want you to do is
I want you to post me the part that has sasquatch in it. But
I also want you to post me every piece of footage you had all day,
unless you take it. Okay, I want to see that, right,
but I want to and I want to see the footage afterwards. Yes,
you and your family freaking the f out that I saw whatever, because
otherwise all you did was give me five seconds of I could have faked that.
But if I could go before and I can see what happened afterwards,
I can legitimately look and go that guy is truly scared. Or they were
just out having a picnic, you know, like, or they were playing
frisbee and they see this thing, you know, like you know you see
you watch any other nature video where they show the lion and the tiger and
whatever. I'll tell you now, there might be a video of the lion
eating a eating a gazelle. But I can guarantee you that if you talk
to the guy took that video, he's got four hours of b roll,
then he'll show you in a minute. Yeah, I agree with you one
hundred percent. Like one of the one of the photo is not a video,
but a photo that that I think is really compelling is the Beast to
Tray shoots from up in Canada where the guy was up there just taking pictures
of the waterfall, and it didn't come until weeks later that he was looking
down and he said, oh my god, there's something down there. It
looks like a it looks like a orangutant holding a dog, you know,
and something like that is more compelling than the five second clip. And again
with the five second club, you don't know if I'm gonna have my phone
out regardless, I'm gonna be out there, I'm you know, gonna take
hey, you know what, we're taking a hike in the woods. You
know, I might get a picture of, you know, the wildlife that's
coming through, and then oh my god, there's something I can't see.
Yeah, I'm gonna try and blend or at least give all those videos to
someone to analyze, you know, because you know, you can take your
my word for your word for it, but you really need a third party
to take a look at that and basically to to say, okay, this
does look like something that you know, again, a normal group, hiking
group went out in and got this because you can see everything that they were
doing beforehand. And then you can see how scared they were afterwards. So
you made a great point, James. Don't you feel like though? And
you know because so let me frame this up. When I had my encounter,
you know the thing I you know, tell most most groups when I'm
doing this presentation, and we had a Sony handicam in our camp, in
our tent, we could have pulled out, had the night vision you know,
the Paris Hilton footage type videos that we could have went out and shot
with. But at the time it was going through our head, none of
us thought about grabbing that camera to go out. And we're researchers, right,
and it always I always get a little bit more suspect when people that
are researchers get footage, yes, because it just doesn't seem to be natural
to get good footage, because no matter how good you are, you're never
going to be fully prepared for the shock that's going to hit your system when
you do that. And I don't know of hardly any videos out there that
really show that sense of shock and all that hits you when you experience something
you can't explain they all see. So I don't want to say cool,
calm, and collective, but they just all seem so generic and bland,
like it's expected. And you make valid points. But the thing is the
difference between your your sighting and their sighting is they're, like you said,
they're prepared, like, oh my god, I had my camera up just
at the right time. I'm so I'm so excited that whatever. And they're
not freaked out. They're not running. They didn't close their camp up and
drive five miles away and tell somebody. They just go back to what they
were doing. Were you if, as a human didn't go back to what
you were doing, you were like, get your shit, were going in
the truck? Okay, well there's no but your point with that, I
think to be prepared for that, you would have to have that stuff going
twenty four to seven like you. I just don't think a person, no
matter how firm they are or fearless, you know. Listen, We've listened
to Derek Randall's talk about encounters. We've listened to Todd Nice talk about encounters.
He's a pretty rugged, tough guys. Right. I'm not a tough
guy by any means. There is lime Jello that is more threatening than I
am. But these tough. Guys get freaked out when this happens. Okay,
nobody in their right frame of mind is going to be ready to get
that footage unless you just happen to get it by happenstance. I just really
believe that. And we're going to talk about one of these here in a
couple minutes, because I think some of the footage that happens is from static
cams, cameras that that people just let set, they aren't necessarily manning them.
I think that makes a big difference too. So we'll get into this.
Let's go to this next one and maybe hopefully I can get you guys
to see it. I don't know. I'm trying my best here, but
David Sheeley from July eight, two thousand, Oh, you know what,
it would help if I hit the share button first. Let's try this again.
Let's roll this beautiful beam footage. My my tech, my TQ is
a little light tonight, guys. I'm sorry. I want you guys to
be able to see this. Can you see that? No? Negative?
No, damn it? You know what. I hate this? Oh?
Here we go now, can you see it? Yep? Here we go?
I see it? Yeah, and then here we are, guys.
This is the part with something you know, going across this little glade there.
Now, this is in two thousand VHS quality at a decent time of
night, and if you want me to, I can replay that again a
little bit if you missed the first part. Is there any audio? No?
No, not on this particular video that's playing, because I have it
set to play the audio automatically. I wonder why they cut the audio.
I don't know if they did or if it's just this is from the Smithsonian
magazine in this particular version. Really interesting, And Henry, can you speak
to this a little bit more because you are probably more familiar with this one
than I am. Well, I've never seen this one, but it seems
to be taking some pretty long strides. If it's a guy in that suit,
it's a really good It's amazing that somebody be able to walk like that
in the suit. Yeah, I just don't know if the Smithsonian would kind
of, you know, jump on it, if if they had a credibility
question. So that's probably the best zoom he can get. Now, that
one itself kind of looks a little weird, doesn't it. Right there?
It does right now that in the background, I thought it was a spaceship
for a minute there that could have been great. But now watch this thing
that looks like it goes into a It moves very oddly, does it not?
But now it's like it's got a wedgie. What is the zoom on
this? I mean, is he that close or is it just that he
zoomed in that close? I think it was. I think it was zoomed
in because that much. At one point the thing kind of recognized someone was
watching it. And then if it was that it was getting you know,
the one the one thing that was going through going through that swamp area down
there, and and Henry you could probably uh, you know, chime in
on this one. Is it's not like you know, you're you're walking on
grass or hard dirt with clumps of grass. It's mud, you know,
it's mud. It's mud. It would be slickpering, it would be yeah,
slickers in Florida too, So that's no consideration squatch did. But yeah,
for something to move in in that manner, unless there was unless there
was some sort of boards up that that it could it can make that type
of uh you know, walk along that path and you're you would see that,
you know, you you would be able to see if there was any
disturbance in the grass here. There didn't a pure be anything. It looked
like it was just going right through. And again that's you know, that
stuff there. For one of us to go through it, it's gonna take
us like probably like a half hour to make the same type of movement that
you know, whatever that was did in about you know, fifteen seconds.
I think where I I don't mind the fact that it made it through the
glade with any question, because if it's an actual beast, then that's its
area and it may know where to walk and where not to walk. My
my issue, per se is I want to see the aftercare. Like you
said, it's muddy and nasty and whatever. So once that thing vacated,
you can't tell me they couldn't have wandered in and got some pictures of tracks.
Where's the audio? Where's the where's the secondary information that everybody? Because
I want to hear the audio of the guy going. Is he like,
hey, there's bigfoot, It's cool, you know, or is it like
what the you know, he's flipping out trying to sell his buddy and hey,
by the way, we might die from the big hairy beast, but
I'm going to keep videoing because I'm the man. You know. That's kind
of the point. Yeah, that's the point. I think you've been you've
been driving home, but we've both been trying to make on that's just the
lack of genuine response, and it gets really hard to you know, gauge
what that would be. One can only assume it would be as like Baker's
are calling it. I don't know if even when you watch the train video
that we just put, you know, there was very nonchalant about it.
I didn't see anybody like streaming, oh my god, what's that? Or
it was just all really kind of laid back and playing. And then they
did play a video with the with the guy who took it. ABC News
has a footage up there, and he was kind of a douche canoe,
he seemed like. And so I'm not really surprised if it would have been
fabricated. But I don't know. But the David Chiley, we know he'
said there was another video out there too, Henry right from David you know
a year that was that was it was an unsolved mysteries. Oh gosh,
I guess that was around ninety seven or ninety eight. Yeah, that,
and that was the one you were more familiar with. Yeah, and this
one that we just played was from two thousand, a little different, but
I just wanted to get your guys's eyes on that talk about Like I said,
interesting, this, this whole concept of this episode happened one night when
I couldn't go to sleep, so I started popping through Bigfoot videos online.
And yeah, I went through a lot of the clickbait ones. The problem
is their compilations, and I don't want us to have to sit here in
thirty five minutes and watch compliment compla comp compilation. Did have a hard time
with that compilation videos. Wow, I promise did compilation not compilating. So
let's go back. I'm going to play a snippet now from a episode of
Bigfoot Odyssey episode twelve, Mark Copeland from Oklahoma. Now, we talked about
Mark a little bit before when we had David Wilbanks in this show, and
he wrote about in his book. He wrote about Mark and his book KAII
Meets Your Bigfoot, and it starts on page eighty five of his great book,
Go out and get yourself copy if you haven't yet. David will Banks
is one of my favorite investigators. Actually, when I first saw the documentary
Bigfootville, I was obsessed with getting into contact with David, and he seemed
to kind of fall away from the bigfoot world. But I stumbled upon him
one day when he was doing a bigfoot YouTube channel called Bigfoot More. And
he also is into herping, which is about snakes Baker don't get that excited,
and other activities. And so then I happened to get his book read
it, and this Mark Copeland scenario just you know, struck me as a
strange because he was getting his security cameras were capturing dark humanoid forms around his
home. So I went online to see if I could find any and he
had some YouTube channels, but I found one from, like I said,
Bigfoot Odyssey, and I'm gonna go ahead and play it. I already found
it at the spot where I wanted to show us the videos, So I'm
gonna go ahead and roll that beautiful bean footage for us again. Sure,
we'll put it on up here so you guys can see. You guys got
that mm hmm, yeah, I see it. And what you're about to
see here is just some of what mark you have the audio property here.
You guys see that figure moving, mm hmmm, that could be anything.
At this point, I will take another look at that a little more zoomed
in. Still, it's kind of dark on my head. I don't know
if it's my screen or what. Well, it's a nighttime video too,
so it's really yeah, and you're gonna see what appears to be the whole
family. I count four figures in this one. I kind of see the
smudgets calls family. So I don't know what you guys thought about that,
but it was pretty interesting to me that some of this footage was caught.
And now there's more videos out there. I need to find more of them
because I really want to do a whole episode just on this gentleman situation and
maybe get David Wilbanks back on the show because it was really fascinating to me.
Really caught my attention? What what caught my attention to? Oh,
I'm go ahead and shun go ahead. I was gonna say for that for
the show Bigfootville. What what really kind of kind of caught me? And
this was, you know, I think more compelling was during the daytime they
went out to one of the cabins and there was an area that was clear
cut, but it was in such a remote area there's no no direct access
to it. And uh, the the needi of guide points out and says,
hey, there's one right there. And you see this figure moving moving
along, uh through the brush. And again it's not conclusive, but you
know, that was really to me, that was a compelling video to see.
Yeah, and you know, Oklahoma just from its story oracle sense,
a lot of big Foot sightings, right, a lot of Bigfoot history,
a lot of Bigfoot activity, and where this gentleman was having and this wasn't
just like he's had ongoing, had ongoing. He doesn't live there anymore.
He moved his whole family away, I think Dave said, to Missouri,
and he was getting more footage. And this thing happened to be going around
places where his kids were playing, like you'd go around the playground equipment and
whatnot. And that he started getting some of these on the security camera,
Like that was really telling to me. Like in some of the cameras he
hid in a way so he could get more Like he hid one I think
in one of those windmill not windmill but spitting dome things, you know,
I don't remember what he called them, whirlwind fans or something, and it
was just really fascinating to me, and I'd just like to get more on
this, but I just wanted to show a little snippet so he could go
back and talk about these little later, Like I'm just trying to wet our
appetites a little bit, because some of these were going to be good,
some of them are going to be shit. Like, I just wanted to
stuck to be on the same page with that. Henry's back, Yeah,
I do so. I think I can get us back to this one.
Now. We'll get two guys back to a little bit more of this video
if you want to see a little bit more of that one now. It
is a long shots and mildly ambiguous, but I think the striking thing to
me is the behavior. They seem very apprehensive, like they're coming up closer
and closer, and then that's as close as they get and then go back
into the woods. I don't think anyone can question that those are upright walking
figures, even though it is at a distance. It just looks like whatever
that is is on two legs? Now, is it Saasquatch? I don't
know, but we are looking at the evidence here. You sound for yourself
and we'll leave it at that one right there. You will leave that for
yourself. So any final thoughts on that one, guys, I know that
one had four. I couldn't see four, but it doesn't mean anything.
I saw two, maybe three at the if I'm really really like push it.
It seemed like there were two in the foreground and then two in the
background, you know, like two close up to those trees, and then
two in the kind of field area. But it's like you said, it's
ambiguous. Yes, it could be it could be something, or it could
have been could be one figure, and then we're kind of making the other
three figures appear in our head, you know what I mean. And that
still could be somebody just outside, you know, you know, likeny Henny,
what you think. I couldn't really see them, be quite honest.
But if they were there, if there were four of them, then that's
if if they were actual sasquatch, then that's a pretty interesting video. If
they're not, there are four people, yeah, four people active kind of
peculiarly in front of a in front of a camera, but I mean that
you know the camera would be there if that was the case, though,
right, pros and cons. As you start building these lists, you can
really go down that rabbit hole. Go ahead, James, Now did that
that video and the show you're talking about, because I've never seen it,
But did they explain how long they were out there, what kind of things
have already been seen? When, when what happened afterwards, Because I'm trying
to get an idea of the like if if you caught it on video once
when they're being like, did they leave the camera up for another week to
see if they get another better glance? Well, yeah, it's one of
the things we were saying. It's a static camera. He had it out
there to catch the activity that was going on in his property, and he
happened to catch this. So this was purposefully put on his property. He
had other cameras out there too and happened to get this footage. So,
you know, to everybody to each their own to make up what it is.
I find it kind of compelling and I just want to, you know,
no more, so I'll put the links in the video the links to
the videos and the show notes for this, so people can go and check
them out and watch the video for themselves. Watch that entire documentary, Bigfoot
Odyssey, Episode twelve. Pretty decent. So the next one, guys,
this one is also recent r And I would have liked to have been able
to credit the original poster of this footage, but I can't find it because
it's been posted so many times. I couldn't find a direct link to the
original post. So I just had one that managed to get it. Timmy.
And this one's gonna be a little bit more difficult to see because we
are Hey, it's trained time. It's a mute baker there, and I'll
go ahead and share the screen. Now, get your eyes a little cooler
in there. You see that, Henry, it's gonna be this little box
right here, fucking we're clean. Huff. And then this next one,
got a good shot that's gone up the hood. Hey, what about just
taking a whole carriers did great? Yeah, that's right, that's see what
something was dragged the other Your boss to be going Now it's gonna be boot
next to it. Fucking we're clean. Huh. A little bit of language
still footprints and the half ripped hog. You know, I mean that was
interesting to Matt. Would you want you wanted to talk on this one a
little bit, so go ahead, I'm gonna give you the floor. Yeah,
there's obviously a lot of red flags with this. One thing is is
uh, you know, being out in the country and and knowing people that
you know slaughter hogs or they're hunting hogs. You know what, for one
thing, that's a clean rip, I won't call that a rip. That's
a clean cut of that hog. That that hog was like it was.
It was cut with a saw in half and there's no blood, there's no
innerds. Now, it could have been killed somewhere else, and this wasn't
the kill site. Yeah, but I'm really not inclined to believe that it
was torn in half by anything other than for you know, a bone saw
or something in that matter. As for the footprints, I'm gonna go back
to, you know, a comment from another group that I belonged to a
Facebook group and the guy said, hey, with real feet, real toes
create skelloped edges at great and you could see that by uh, And he
explains that this was by you know, you could see that walking in saying
barefoot, look at your tracks. But if you look at the Ray Wallace
type stompers, they didn't have the cuts between the toes, and with the
impressions made, it was very similar to the impressions that were made there.
So, uh, you know, he's you know, the poster had pretty
much said and and he's a pretty decent guy when it comes to, uh
talking about the footprints. You know, I'm inclined to believe that. And
again it's something we we recently had prints that were that were shared up in
uh Kinzua Reservoir. And with that, those those prints you can actually see
that scallop. These here you don't see that. And then you see the
two prints and then you see where it went up a hill, and it's
two lines that go up the hill. So that there is just so many
red flags with this, and just the look of disappointment on your face.
Matt's felling. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, no blood, like you
said, no blood, no gores or nothing, no dragging of blood that
would indicate it was a fresher kill. Right, yep, there's nothing to
it. It's a perfectly cut in half hog. The cookie cutter footprints are
just blah like boring. Yes, they're bigger than that guy's foot, but
I just I'm just not buying that. It was just definitely no, I
don't know, Bake Henry, go ahead, and okay, So if you
go back in time, WHOA so many years, ten years or more,
you will see a nice little video made by the Sasquatch experience of my foot
in mud. And I will be honest with you, if you do the
right angles, do you do the things right? My sticking my foot in
the mud and us taking pictures and video are not much different than what that
guy did. And I can tell you now that if you do the angles
right, I could make my foot look bigger by using someone who has a
smaller foot. So, in other words, like I'm a size thirteen and
a half in shoes, give or take, it matters how how bad the
diabetics is at the moment, how much water I retain, and how generally
fat I am. But that's what's go size twelve to thirteen, Barker,
What size is your foot? Nine, ten, ten and a half?
Okay, so you put my foot down, which is larger than his,
and you put his foot next to mine, and I could get it's gonna
look like, oh my god, look at this shoe compared to this foot,
to this thing. And I think a lot of these videos. The
other thing is is like, and I realized they do it for what they
do it for, but like if they were using it as actual physical evidence,
I again beat this to death. But I want to report who was
there, what size are their feet, what other things have they seen,
how many hogs have they lost? What made them think it might be this
otherwise than the foot And then I'm more inclined to well, I'll use the
word care. You know your your red flags are obvious. Yes, but
like I personally, and we weren't trying to fake a sighting. We're just
showing how to make a footprint because we didn't know any better, you know.
And I think you can still find the video somewhere. It's probably you
put that so baked it. We also baked that thing in an oven for
clein nothing about making a footprint. At that time. It was great bullshit.
It was great bullshit. But here's the thing, Matt. Even though
we put that, we put that footprint in a shadow box with the information
on it at our table, and we were using it as an example of,
you know, just a knowledge piece. So many people wanted to know
the story behind the footprint and wanted to buy it from us, Like they
weren't listening that this was a human foot. She cared about was it was
a foot There was a map of like Coming County with a dot and a
story why we were at that area, and they just kept going, clinging
on to the fact that so Bacon I went out to that area because there
was a big foot setting that had happened there before. We went out to
cast a footprint track because somebody had found footprints there, so we wanted to
know what the soil was like, if you could make a legitimate footprint or
not, Like how reasonable was it to assume how you could make it.
But even though we put all that together, people still they kept insisting that
this is a big footprint. It was James Baker's foot, but people down,
yeah, like it's to me that people wanted to see my feet too,
But that was a whole other but to the state of even then the
level of romanticism that are through people's minds when bigfoot stuff happens, and when
critical thinking even when the evidence is pushed right in front of you is alarming,
like, and that's where we're at with and I think video makes it
worse because to some of these people, that's really tangible. There's something there
and they can latch onto it and use that for whatever it is they they
really need. And it was just a little cy creepy, but interesting for
us to kind of go through and see that. Alas you know, more
more Bigfoot evidence. We got this one, the Brown footage, the Stacy
Brown footage. Guys, I don't know if you're familiar with this one at
all, Baker, pay attention. I think you're gonna like this because this
one's fascinating to me and hasn't been debunked, has it, Henry not?
I'm aware of Henry. You want to give a little background on it while
I queue it up here. Well, apparently Stacy Brown Junior and the late
Stacy Brown Senior or out in the forests of Florida and they had a thermal
and it was actually Stacy Brown seniors thermal. Yes, that's the camera that
took the footage. You're getting the full video here. This is from Bigfoot
Stacey on YouTube. MHM do you see that, guys, right, there's
our object. Yeah, you can't see it? You no, are you
guys seeing? Oh now, hold on, of course, hold on.
I'll play that again for you guys, just so you can see where it
was at. I'll get this right yet you see it now? Yep?
Mm hmm. Is this aerial footage? No, you'll see in a second.
Oh okay, then you can check this out on Bigfoot Stacey on YouTube
the videos right there, so their video, we're just showing it for educational
purposes. So they used Cliff Brockman as their well. Cliff looked at the
well. Stacey was on that ten million dollars big Foot bounty too, right,
So I mean this was the Did you see the size of the mits
on that thing as it was crossed on that that area? There's some big
hands on that thing. What do you think, Baker, you've got you've
this the first time you've seen it. What do you think? And where
was this? Where was this at? Florida? Yeah, Florida. But
my problem with Florida is I'm not one hundred against an ape like preacher in
Florida. We've had this discussion mobile time from Florida to Texas the Everglade area.
I really believe there's a large ape frog percentage. I believe that apes.
If apes were going to live in our part of America, that would
be the perfect environment. So I'm not against an ape like creature. I'm
just not one hundred percent. It's a bigfoot. Secondly, is it falls
into that same type of they saw it, it went away? What's the
you know did they was there more footage that showed nothing? What did they?
You know? What kind of you know did they walk in afterwards and
look for track. That's where I get hit with a lot of these.
But my main thing with being Florida, we we have We had this discussion
with a friend of mine the other day, was is all these minks escaped
from Pennsylvania, and as it's getting colder in Pennsylvania, they're going to start
moving south. They're going to take the Appalachian Trail, They're going to take
any easy causeway to get to warmer temperatures, and you can watch them.
Probably in the next six months, there will be an abundance of minks in
Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, wherever it's warm enough to them
to live better, and there's so many on I don't remember what the word
for it is is non native evasive invasive species from Florida to Texas because mom
didn't want a reptile, you know, So I don't you know, between
that and the new storm systems that are dropping ostriches and Maine there dropping EMUs
and Maine, I don't see where this isn't plausible. I'm just not one
hundred percent sure it's a bigfoot that helps. Well, that's one big,
one big champ at eight foot five inches. If Cliff Barrickman's measurements are right
right, that's a big monkey. And to me, the uniformity of the
thermal right, that was pretty telling info. And doctor Meldrim states that too
when he was doing his own review of the of the Brown Footage. Henry,
what more you got on this for us? You've probably seen this many
many times. I've seen it several times. I know that Cliff and the
the folks at Finding Bigfoot when they had Stacey on the show, actually they
had both Stacis on the show, and they were pretty impressed with it.
What about you? Are you impressed with it? Yeah? It's it's good
footage. I don't know if it's a sasquatch or if it's some sort of
a chip or not, but it's interesting footage. What's interesting of it for
you? What? What? What for you? Makes them stand out and
say, damn, this is really good. Well, the fact that it
jumps, It sounds like it jumps across, leaps across. Do you get
that Patterson esque kind of ohh silhouette as it goes across there? Yeah,
definitely. Now, Matt, somebody that looks at evidence all the time,
you have that classic Patty movement. There is that something that would throw a
red flag for you? Or would that be hey, you know what,
the things walks like something else we've caught on film at one point in time.
Well, you know what I and I don't want to diverge completely from
the subject, but when it comes to evidence, I would be looking at
the raw video to see whether it had been you know, altered in any
way. There's metadata if it's done with a with a cell phone or you
know, any sort of smart device that that would include you know, stuff
like GPS coordinates. Now, as for the fleer, if the fleer has
not been tampered with in any way, you know, that seems to be
pretty good footage, and being able to replicate that in the field would be
it would be fantastic if you can, if you could say, okay,
this this object was, you know, forty yards away at this tree,
because you can you know, kind of get where they were and and I
think they were able to do that, and you know, it's very compelling,
especially in regards to the limb size. The limb sizes, particularly with
the arms. It really kind of made it stand out from other other videos.
Definitely has some you know, proportional pieces to it. Yes, well
that's the ones we have tonight. We did have some Stacy not Stacy Stacy
Brown footage which we played Todd standing man. Why don't you talk to us
a little bit about that boy? Yeah, yeah, so of course,
uh yeah. He puts a video out on I think it was a Sunday
in regards to you know, compelling evidence, you know, definite proof,
and what he found was basically stick structures with no The one thing that that
really kind of gets me is, I know that they're more in an alpine
forest, uh you know, kind of a burial environment, but there's no
other sign there there's no uh, there's no prints, there's no impressions.
Uh, they just found these trees, and they're arbitrarily saying that the trees
are set up north, south, east, and west. You can see
that there's other trees that are leaning on other trees in that area. So
these you know, these particular trees trees, is it just something where you
had dead fault that just happened to fall on the right spot. I'm I'm
just not I I'm just not one hundred percent believer in these gigantic tree structures
you know that are I think the one he he said was like an eighty
foot tree. But yet you can see these these pine trees and they're you
know, they're they're relatively weaker structure, so they so there's a good chance
that they are going to fall, as you can see in the video.
Yes, so yeah, yeah, that's so he is. He is saying
that that is, you know, definitive proof. But for me, yeah,
I'm I'm looking for something else. So so so okay, so tomorrow,
if I can get out of work early enough or something like that,
or another day, I can go up to my land and I can tell
you now that there are five or six different tree structures. Okay, the
tree structures are the tree fell north, the tree fell south, and then
the tree fell west, and they made a tepee because the first tree hit
the second one and they stayed in the angle when the other one fell.
One like that. It's not you know, we were at was it creature
weekend? Or was it obc, I know what you're talking about. We're
at the bar and there's this gentleman just pushing at the one. I think
it was Cliff, wasn't it? Yeah, okay, just pushing at him.
Pictures. This has got to be a saucequat structure. This has got
to be a saucequat story. Look at what's gotta He's doing all the scientific
calculation. And Cliff said one thing that everybody just sat back and awe at
because we were all thinking it. But he said it, did you see
it? Make it? What? Did you see tracks around it? Did
you see did you have evidence of a creature living there? No? Did
you have a bunch of said you've got nothing? Back up a second breathe
get it out of my faith, because you can ask Sean, there was
a spot in my land, did it looked like two trees were like this
and the third tree was I guess, but you know what you could also
see is two of the trees still the roots connected to the ground where they
fell. Another tree just kind of leaned that way. It's not you.
You know, the key to the whole conversation isn't what you find, it's
finding what made it well. It's the whole theme to this kind of exercise
tonight us taking a trip down some of these videos, is that really it's
all subjective without any kind of concrete proof for comparison. In the moment,
it's all subjective, like one man's big foot's another man's big pile of leaves
piled up behind a stump that now all of a sudden gives it form and
paradoilia sets in right like it's it's difficult and until we find some sort of
specimen that's going to give us to the answers, we just got to do
better. We got to really raise the bar and raise the standards for what
we accept is video proof and video evidence. And you know the clickbait adds
to these, you know, go and make you want to go watch them.
They do. The problem is and it's kind of even the problem we've
talked about the beginning of the show with people in there so many witness encounter
driven podcasts, and how much of that's creepy pasta the actual actual sightings.
We give you the ultimate guide to hoating now every week when you tune in
and listen to the shows, we tell you everything to do to create the
perfect Bigfoot sighting, create the perfect Bigfoot report. And it's amazing to me
by how many of them still fall miserably short, and that we continuously drive
this artificial need to make Bigfoot this big scary monster because it clicks. You
get clickbait, you get views, you get people to drive to your channel.
And again, if that's your thing, all that's okay. But don't
call yourself science and don't call yourself research. Call yourself fiction and be okay
with that, because when you don't do that, you hurt the integrity of
the scientific process upon which some of us are trying to embark on in a
discovery science that we're really trying to get credibility to. So if you're out
there making this content your desires to make cash great, I'm not opposed to
that. Just make sure you're putting a disclaimer on there that it's fake as
shit, because it makes those of us that aren't after fake as shit stuff,
we're after the real stuff, makes it a lot more complicated. I'm
Sean Foker and that's my final thought on this matter. Henry James matt Any
final thoughts from you job. Yeah, I really know. Hopefully they'll be
a part three of this yeah down the line. Yeah, I vis Yeah,
And I mean I'm gonna do another push for for this, for this
outfit. But I'm gonna tell you the ones that are doing it scientifically and
putting out a product with you know, for people to watch small Town Monsters,
they're they're fantastic because they're not uh you know when they do the on
the trail series, they're not out there, uh you know, the stating
you know, oh my god, you know we may have got something.
They did the main episode and they were quite clear was saying, hey,
we didn't get it anything, you know, And I mean just their their
honesty and their integrity, uh with with with them is just uh you know,
goes links with me. So uh you know, shout out to too
small Town Monsters. Uh, Alex and the crew. I mean, they
do a fantastic job, and uh, you know, I hope they keep
it up because that should be the model that people that are doing research and
also looking for that entertainment you know, I can't say entertainment value, but
that they're trying to put it on on on video. That's the model that
they should follow, right, infotainment, you know, where you're getting information
and still being entertained and honestly as a full disclosure. That's why I,
you know, fund their products. You know, that's why I do the
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