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The views and opinions expressed by the
guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go?
Oh, I know as if my thunder

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light came on and I just happened
to glen and see this thing running across

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the yard. A good sight man
or nothing works like a man. I

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don't know what it was. For
over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and truth around the

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existence of this mysterious entity. Q. Hello, get somebody out here.

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What's going to announce? There's got
a bit about six foot nine? I

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don't know, easy announce there?
Yeah, I'm working right, Ah,

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okay, hand on, yeah,
got you're bigger? Okay, what's he

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doing in your yard? Join us
as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday,

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October twenty third, two thousand and
twenty three. I'm Sean Forker with

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James Baker, Henry May and Matt
Arner, Episode eighty one. Tonight Bigfoot

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Video two, as we had previously
done a Bigfoot video episode earlier, not

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missing Vance Nesbit. The Vance is
out tonight with a medical issue and we

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do wish him a speedy recovery.
So with Vance being out this week,

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Buddy, will Misha take the time. He'll up get well soon and there

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will not be a big Foot bullet
in this week. So for folks that

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tune in for that, sorry to
disappoint you, but I know he'll be

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back in the saddle. He messaged
me earlier and said he really wish you

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could be here, but I told
him to take the night off. I

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want him to be healthy and in
a good frame of mind when he's coming

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on the show, not worrying about
us guys, worrying about you know,

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doing well and getting better, right, That's what we really care about.

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Baker, Henry, Matt, how
you guys doing tonight? Well, we

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take a minute there, How are
you very well here I'm doing okay.

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Yeah, So this is what happens
when we used to having a chatty kathy

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with us. Nobody does what to
do it the awkward pauses. So we'll

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get there. We got to bus
Vance's balls a little bit. Even though

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he's not on with us tonight,
we do know Vance's one for the chattering

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and he keeps us all on toes. So we'll get our pacing here amongst

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us. But some great things that
have been going on guys thirty best Bigfoot

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podcast you need to follow. Feed
Spot, of course, is one of

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those Internet aggregators always constantly ranking and
looking at material. We made the number

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one spot again the second time in
the rows. We are the number one

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of the top thirty best Bigfoot podcasts
to Follow, and part of that is

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for originality, expertise. There's a
whole bunch of criteria that goes into it.

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So for the folks at feed Spot, were grateful for your continual support

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and continuously ranking us. As the
second month in a row we've been rated

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the number one must follow them for
podcast. Considering they're one of the oldest,

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that's a pretty remarkable achievement, right, you know, been doing this

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at SO five oh six, and
it's been a long journey. We took

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a little bit of a sabbatical,
but we've been back and I know what

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times we've kind of, you know, lost our footing. But I have

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to tell you some a really nice
comment from our buddy Alasquatch Larry Beans Baxter,

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you know, and they were talking
about the Bigfoot show. Matt,

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you brought this to my attention this
week and how there's too many eyewitness driven

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bigfoot shows and you know, to
his point, there are a lot where

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everything's like driving at home. But
we've kind of always yeah, we've had

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some shows that we're talking about witness
sightings, but we've always kind of just

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been a general variety kind of discussion
show, going back to those old days

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of that's what the shows you know, really were, and you know,

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in the days of creepy pastas and
crypto fiction. I'm glad that we can

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still kind of keep to our convictions
and still do true kind of research driven,

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conversational based podcasting on our favorite subject, of course, which is sasquay.

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I'd like to add what I generally
when I go out to do my

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research, I'll listen to this podcast
and a few there's a few other podcasts

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I do listen to that that feature
you know, the researchers, you know,

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anything coming up new. On the
return trip, I just have that,

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like you know, I just got
to get that like Sasquatch Chronicle or

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you know something like that. Something
right, Yeah, kind of, but

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on the way out, it's listening
to where the research is, you know,

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is heading, you know, things
to look for, things that are

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coming out now that you know it
could be utilized in the field, and

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you know, but again, you
know, once you're out in the field

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and and you've been climbing those mountains
and then it's time to come home,

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then it's time to listen to those
to those different experienced podcasts. I it's

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kind of like a guilty pleasure for
me, so most definitely, But I

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think also the fact we're getting older, so those return trips from the mountains

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need a little bit more recovery time, so those podcasts kind kind of give

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us recovered, but also get us
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again, folks, everybody, you're
allowed to enjoy this in whatever way,

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shape or form you like. If
witness inspired podcasts are your thing, Mazatov,

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go for it. Like, we're
not telling you that there's a right

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way or a wrong way to enjoy
your bigfoot research. But our way is

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the way we've been doing it for
a long time. Uh. You know.

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The downside to our way is we
don't get the click bait and the

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fantastical drives to the show. It's
a slow burn. But I've always felt

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good that we've always kind of remained
true to our convictions. Right. We

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haven't had to rely on clickbait.
We haven't had to have had sensational headlines

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to drive the show. Well,
you've taken your top off change, but

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you know, we haven't had to
do things that kind of compromise the integrity

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of what we do, right.
So I'm always proud of that. And

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again, you guys, love and
do your Bigfoot the way you want to.

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It's just nice to get the recognition
one of the top ten thirty best

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Bigfoot podcasts to follow as a shout
out from our good friend Larry Beans Baxter

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at a Last Squatch. That's ay, it's just a little bit of an

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honor and we appreciate that. Thank
you. Bill Rigby says, Hi,

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guys, how you doing, Hilly
Billy down there, and Sharon Pennsylvania our

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buddy out there, the other listeners. Thanks for tuning in tonight. We'll

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try to acknowledge as we go through. Henry, you've got your copy of

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the Bigfoot Times from Bigfoot Times,
dott Daniel Perez. There were some some

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interesting books coming out here. Do
you want to touch on that real quick?

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Some things that I think our listeners
need to get the wallets out and

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start getting ready for. Yes,
there is a new book coming out which

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is by Dustin Severs. It's called
The Abominable Snowman of California. And there

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have been a couple of recommendations already
for the book by Steven Stroyford and Thomas

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Steinberg. And that's Bigfoot Times dot
Net. By the way, Daniel has

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a list of he's attempting to list
every single book ever written on Sasquatch or

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Yetni or other related kryptis and he's
got on his website Bigfoot Times dot net.

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You guys want to check it out, Henry, didn't you used to

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have a compilation site? What then? You used to have a bibliography blog?

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I used to. I think I'm
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Daniel. I'm trying, but Daniel
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conceding. Henry, damn it.
You gotta get your throne back. Man.

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One one thing that I found is, uh, you have the bibliography

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pages. But if you follow uh
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Daniel, uh, they'll post uh. You know when when these books come

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out, if they if they get
to read on it, if they in

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and Henry and and Daniel have given
incredible reviews of the books, so uh,

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you know, having them go through
in and again. The two of

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them are you know, you know, the the two encyclopedias for the for

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the Bigfoot world. So hearing from
them is is definitely a big plus.

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Yeah, most definitely. You couldn't
get two greater guys to get a little

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bigfoot knowledge from right. It looks
like Henry, we blushed a little bit,

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and you made him blush and again
shy, Yeah, man disappeared.

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But honestly, and the other book, of course, Henry Franzoni wrote his

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book Failing in a cooler way,
why I never found a Bigfoot? And

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I'm anxious to read that one.
Henry, I meant many many years ago

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virtually on the Internet, and if
you followed my presentations, we always do

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this little diddy about how it was
never really safe to meet strange men and

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talk about big harry things on the
Internet. But back in the early nineties

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it was a little stiffer than it
is today, and that's how a lot

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of us first met up and talked. And I think when Cliff and I

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were in Ohio, we were talking
about our first Internet exchanges way back in

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the day when I was just a
SnO knows kid and I'm still a snot

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nos kid to some people. But
you know, see these folks that you

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know if I respect them and admired
for a long time pushing out some books.

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You know, the fact I haven't
written mine or finished it yet.

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I've written some of it, i
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one that has seen any of this, Uh, gives me hope that,

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you know what, one day,
I'll get it out there. I'll get

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that book finished one day. I'm
working on a book as well, but

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it's a fictional piece. So I
believe I've told you guys about that before,

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and it's kind of timely right now. It was about Uh, I'll

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just go briefly over. The synopsis
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down on his luck and he's out
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the next big uh big baseball star. His car breaks down in the middle

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of the Sierra Madres and he finds
a big foot, and somehow he gets

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the big Foot to play baseball.
I haven't figured the name yet, but

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I think it. I think we
could. It's gonna be a great book.

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And disit knocking on your door?
Yeah, Matfield, I could,

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Yeah we could. I'm taking taking
all sorts of ideas for names. So

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big Foot at bat, I don't
know about. Yeah, you know,

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Harry home run my hair right,
I may not have. Yeah, that

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sell a couple of hundred before people
really realized exactly. My hairy home run

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was also the nickname of Baker's uh
authored prom night Ronde his house. So

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anyhow, let's get back to white
people came in if there wasn't much grooming,

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what good god, we knew he
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stop, good god man, it's
a family show of some sort.

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I started it. I started it, I own it. Uh, So

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you know we got good. God, now I lost my train thought.

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We talked about the books there following
my train of thought, squatchnuts dot com

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send us a does he gets stop
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a message on Instagram promoting their Bigfoot
field guide they have written and it's a

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it's pretty wonderful. So go to
squatch nuts dot com and check out the

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field guide. It's a great resource, uh for our budding uh bigfoot enthusiasts

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out there to go and get familiar
with the wilderness and you know, different

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activities that could be Bigfoot related.
So on the really odd, timely past

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segue that is leading to no good
direction, let's get into the topic of

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tonight's show, which is bigfoot videos. And folks, if you're here,

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you know no stranger to what hit
the internet last week, the deluge of

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just commentary over this video from California
or Colorado, I don't know California,

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Colorado. Yep, thank you,
Henry. And I'm going to go ahead

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and we'll show what you guys can
see it where we go here, and

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then we'll talk about it and play
like that one more time, because I

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think I screwed it up. Oh
it's gonna need to go to therapy.

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There we go. Now, you
guys have seen this time and time again,

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right, Yes, Bigfoot on a
hill yeah by and then my boss

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actually sent it to me because we
were talking about stuff and he needed to

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kind of unload on something different.
But yeah, yeah, we know you

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can't see the video yet. We're
working on that. Yeah, I kind

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of butchered that one, but we'll
get it better as we go through here.

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But anyhow, as you saw it
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footage in Colorado, Matt. You
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with that footage was, you know, just quite simply the fact that the

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resolution just wasn't there for really,
you know, the image built blit blended

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right into the background. Definitely not
a it really looked costume. It really

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did very bad from the bottom of
the feet, right. And I think

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the more annoying thing about it is
that all the conversations and people contacting us

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afterwards to ask us what we think
of it like blatantly obvious that it's you

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know, a kind of a tongue
in shape video. But Steve Calls over

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on squatch DTV did a really good
breakdown on this in one of his deep

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dive segments go to Squatch squatchdtv dot
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I mean he lies up the mapping
because one of the California or the I

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keep saying California Sasquatch Expedition Campers there
in Colorado near where this train was going

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through. They have a habit of
using Sasquatch and their promotional materials. Alex

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Betekov pointed that out on the internet. Steve Cales got wind of it,

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and then he went and really put
together this great, you know, short

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four minute video. It's not very
long for folks to go check it out.

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But the thing is that Steve nails
and you know, timing is everything

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in this world. They post the
train times as it's going near these particular

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areas, and they post that on
their website, and the Squatch Expedition Campers,

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Sasquatch Expedition Campers isn't that far away
and it runs really close to their

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property. So they could pull that
hoax off or that promotional stunt with really

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little to no effort at all needing
to be made. We got a comment

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for somebody in the chatroom that said, have been great. If a real

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Bigfoot came down the hill and beat
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that would be one. Yeah it's
mating season. Oh that would be

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worse. That would be much different
outcome on that one. But funny,

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Yeah, they said before the ride
started, they said to watch for bigfoot

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on this ride. So yeah,
I mean, like again, when we

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talk about videos, you know,
Steve does a really good breakdown on it.

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Uh. We bring this up because
it's probably the more recent. There

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have been a couple other ones.
I saw one from Utah as well.

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I don't know if you guys saw
that one at all. It was pretty

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strange. It's just pretty much like
a costume, Like the head part of

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it. I couldn't make out a
whole lot. But somebody in the comments

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said, get some black electrical tape
so they can wrap it around their ankles

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to keep the costume from bell bottoming
out. You know, it seems to

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be an issue with these costumes that
maybe they were made for the the retro

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look. I don't know, but
definitely something that you know is problematic,

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really calls out these you know,
die hard hoaxings. There's people who still

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think this videos of are real sasquats, and I'm like, there's no way

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to help give the clue. People
get a clue, well, they're not

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asking it what they can get so
that they can legitimize something they may have

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seen, or there's a mental issue
there. But I think at the end

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of the day, like this is
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time, is these videos don't help
the average researcher because basically it just makes

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us look stupid a lot of times. And like I've said a hundred times,

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this a lot of I've never seen
anything. But the people that I've

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talked to that are highly intelligent say, there's a lot of clues to this

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whole question, okay, and they
believe in the science behind it. And

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I can get behind that one hundred
and ten percent. But videos like this

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and that Jacobs and video, and
a couple of the other videos and even

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shoot myself with the foot here,
even the Patterson give one video. They're

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great videos. But the problem with
it is is that you only see the

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little part they want to show you. What I want is if you're mad,

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if you tomorrow see a sasquatch,
what I want you to do is

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I want you to post me the
part that has sasquatch in it. But

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I also want you to post me
every piece of footage you had all day,

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unless you take it. Okay,
I want to see that, right,

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but I want to and I want
to see the footage afterwards. Yes,

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you and your family freaking the f
out that I saw whatever, because

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otherwise all you did was give me
five seconds of I could have faked that.

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But if I could go before and
I can see what happened afterwards,

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I can legitimately look and go that
guy is truly scared. Or they were

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just out having a picnic, you
know, like, or they were playing

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frisbee and they see this thing,
you know, like you know you see

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you watch any other nature video where
they show the lion and the tiger and

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whatever. I'll tell you now,
there might be a video of the lion

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eating a eating a gazelle. But
I can guarantee you that if you talk

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to the guy took that video,
he's got four hours of b roll,

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then he'll show you in a minute. Yeah, I agree with you one

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hundred percent. Like one of the
one of the photo is not a video,

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but a photo that that I think
is really compelling is the Beast to

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Tray shoots from up in Canada where
the guy was up there just taking pictures

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of the waterfall, and it didn't
come until weeks later that he was looking

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down and he said, oh my
god, there's something down there. It

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looks like a it looks like a
orangutant holding a dog, you know,

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and something like that is more compelling
than the five second clip. And again

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with the five second club, you
don't know if I'm gonna have my phone

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out regardless, I'm gonna be out
there, I'm you know, gonna take

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hey, you know what, we're
taking a hike in the woods. You

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know, I might get a picture
of, you know, the wildlife that's

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coming through, and then oh my
god, there's something I can't see.

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Yeah, I'm gonna try and blend
or at least give all those videos to

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someone to analyze, you know,
because you know, you can take your

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my word for your word for it, but you really need a third party

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to take a look at that and
basically to to say, okay, this

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does look like something that you know, again, a normal group, hiking

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group went out in and got this
because you can see everything that they were

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doing beforehand. And then you can
see how scared they were afterwards. So

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you made a great point, James. Don't you feel like though? And

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you know because so let me frame
this up. When I had my encounter,

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you know the thing I you know, tell most most groups when I'm

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doing this presentation, and we had
a Sony handicam in our camp, in

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our tent, we could have pulled
out, had the night vision you know,

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the Paris Hilton footage type videos that
we could have went out and shot

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with. But at the time it
was going through our head, none of

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us thought about grabbing that camera to
go out. And we're researchers, right,

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and it always I always get a
little bit more suspect when people that

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are researchers get footage, yes,
because it just doesn't seem to be natural

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to get good footage, because no
matter how good you are, you're never

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going to be fully prepared for the
shock that's going to hit your system when

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you do that. And I don't
know of hardly any videos out there that

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really show that sense of shock and
all that hits you when you experience something

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you can't explain they all see.
So I don't want to say cool,

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calm, and collective, but they
just all seem so generic and bland,

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like it's expected. And you make
valid points. But the thing is the

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difference between your your sighting and their
sighting is they're, like you said,

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they're prepared, like, oh my
god, I had my camera up just

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at the right time. I'm so
I'm so excited that whatever. And they're

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not freaked out. They're not running. They didn't close their camp up and

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drive five miles away and tell somebody. They just go back to what they

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were doing. Were you if,
as a human didn't go back to what

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you were doing, you were like, get your shit, were going in

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the truck? Okay, well there's
no but your point with that, I

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think to be prepared for that,
you would have to have that stuff going

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twenty four to seven like you.
I just don't think a person, no

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matter how firm they are or fearless, you know. Listen, We've listened

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to Derek Randall's talk about encounters.
We've listened to Todd Nice talk about encounters.

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He's a pretty rugged, tough guys. Right. I'm not a tough

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guy by any means. There is
lime Jello that is more threatening than I

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am. But these tough. Guys
get freaked out when this happens. Okay,

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nobody in their right frame of mind
is going to be ready to get

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that footage unless you just happen to
get it by happenstance. I just really

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believe that. And we're going to
talk about one of these here in a

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couple minutes, because I think some
of the footage that happens is from static

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cams, cameras that that people just
let set, they aren't necessarily manning them.

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I think that makes a big difference
too. So we'll get into this.

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Let's go to this next one and
maybe hopefully I can get you guys

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to see it. I don't know. I'm trying my best here, but

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David Sheeley from July eight, two
thousand, Oh, you know what,

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it would help if I hit the
share button first. Let's try this again.

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Let's roll this beautiful beam footage.
My my tech, my TQ is

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a little light tonight, guys.
I'm sorry. I want you guys to

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be able to see this. Can
you see that? No? Negative?

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No, damn it? You know
what. I hate this? Oh?

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Here we go now, can you
see it? Yep? Here we go?

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I see it? Yeah, and
then here we are, guys.

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This is the part with something you
know, going across this little glade there.

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Now, this is in two thousand
VHS quality at a decent time of

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night, and if you want me
to, I can replay that again a

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little bit if you missed the first
part. Is there any audio? No?

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No, not on this particular video
that's playing, because I have it

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set to play the audio automatically.
I wonder why they cut the audio.

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I don't know if they did or
if it's just this is from the Smithsonian

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magazine in this particular version. Really
interesting, And Henry, can you speak

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to this a little bit more because
you are probably more familiar with this one

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than I am. Well, I've
never seen this one, but it seems

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to be taking some pretty long strides. If it's a guy in that suit,

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it's a really good It's amazing that
somebody be able to walk like that

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in the suit. Yeah, I
just don't know if the Smithsonian would kind

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of, you know, jump on
it, if if they had a credibility

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question. So that's probably the best
zoom he can get. Now, that

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one itself kind of looks a little
weird, doesn't it. Right there?

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It does right now that in the
background, I thought it was a spaceship

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for a minute there that could have
been great. But now watch this thing

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that looks like it goes into a
It moves very oddly, does it not?

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But now it's like it's got a
wedgie. What is the zoom on

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this? I mean, is he
that close or is it just that he

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zoomed in that close? I think
it was. I think it was zoomed

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in because that much. At one
point the thing kind of recognized someone was

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watching it. And then if it
was that it was getting you know,

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the one the one thing that was
going through going through that swamp area down

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there, and and Henry you could
probably uh, you know, chime in

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on this one. Is it's not
like you know, you're you're walking on

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grass or hard dirt with clumps of
grass. It's mud, you know,

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it's mud. It's mud. It
would be slickpering, it would be yeah,

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slickers in Florida too, So that's
no consideration squatch did. But yeah,

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for something to move in in that
manner, unless there was unless there

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was some sort of boards up that
that it could it can make that type

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of uh you know, walk along
that path and you're you would see that,

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you know, you you would be
able to see if there was any

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disturbance in the grass here. There
didn't a pure be anything. It looked

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like it was just going right through. And again that's you know, that

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stuff there. For one of us
to go through it, it's gonna take

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us like probably like a half hour
to make the same type of movement that

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you know, whatever that was did
in about you know, fifteen seconds.

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I think where I I don't mind
the fact that it made it through the

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glade with any question, because if
it's an actual beast, then that's its

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area and it may know where to
walk and where not to walk. My

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my issue, per se is I
want to see the aftercare. Like you

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said, it's muddy and nasty and
whatever. So once that thing vacated,

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you can't tell me they couldn't have
wandered in and got some pictures of tracks.

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Where's the audio? Where's the where's
the secondary information that everybody? Because

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I want to hear the audio of
the guy going. Is he like,

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hey, there's bigfoot, It's cool, you know, or is it like

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what the you know, he's flipping
out trying to sell his buddy and hey,

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by the way, we might die
from the big hairy beast, but

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I'm going to keep videoing because I'm
the man. You know. That's kind

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of the point. Yeah, that's
the point. I think you've been you've

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been driving home, but we've both
been trying to make on that's just the

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lack of genuine response, and it
gets really hard to you know, gauge

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what that would be. One can
only assume it would be as like Baker's

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are calling it. I don't know
if even when you watch the train video

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that we just put, you know, there was very nonchalant about it.

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I didn't see anybody like streaming,
oh my god, what's that? Or

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it was just all really kind of
laid back and playing. And then they

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did play a video with the with
the guy who took it. ABC News

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has a footage up there, and
he was kind of a douche canoe,

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he seemed like. And so I'm
not really surprised if it would have been

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fabricated. But I don't know.
But the David Chiley, we know he'

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said there was another video out there
too, Henry right from David you know

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a year that was that was it
was an unsolved mysteries. Oh gosh,

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I guess that was around ninety seven
or ninety eight. Yeah, that,

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and that was the one you were
more familiar with. Yeah, and this

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one that we just played was from
two thousand, a little different, but

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I just wanted to get your guys's
eyes on that talk about Like I said,

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interesting, this, this whole concept
of this episode happened one night when

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I couldn't go to sleep, so
I started popping through Bigfoot videos online.

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And yeah, I went through a
lot of the clickbait ones. The problem

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is their compilations, and I don't
want us to have to sit here in

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thirty five minutes and watch compliment compla
comp compilation. Did have a hard time

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with that compilation videos. Wow,
I promise did compilation not compilating. So

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let's go back. I'm going to
play a snippet now from a episode of

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Bigfoot Odyssey episode twelve, Mark Copeland
from Oklahoma. Now, we talked about

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Mark a little bit before when we
had David Wilbanks in this show, and

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he wrote about in his book.
He wrote about Mark and his book KAII

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Meets Your Bigfoot, and it starts
on page eighty five of his great book,

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Go out and get yourself copy if
you haven't yet. David will Banks

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is one of my favorite investigators.
Actually, when I first saw the documentary

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Bigfootville, I was obsessed with getting
into contact with David, and he seemed

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to kind of fall away from the
bigfoot world. But I stumbled upon him

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one day when he was doing a
bigfoot YouTube channel called Bigfoot More. And

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he also is into herping, which
is about snakes Baker don't get that excited,

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and other activities. And so then
I happened to get his book read

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it, and this Mark Copeland scenario
just you know, struck me as a

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strange because he was getting his security
cameras were capturing dark humanoid forms around his

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home. So I went online to
see if I could find any and he

407
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.359
had some YouTube channels, but I
found one from, like I said,

408
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.759
Bigfoot Odyssey, and I'm gonna go
ahead and play it. I already found

409
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:07.079
it at the spot where I wanted
to show us the videos, So I'm

410
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:15.400
gonna go ahead and roll that beautiful
bean footage for us again. Sure,

411
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.880
we'll put it on up here so
you guys can see. You guys got

412
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.559
that mm hmm, yeah, I
see it. And what you're about to

413
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:30.920
see here is just some of what
mark you have the audio property here.

414
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:51.559
You guys see that figure moving,
mm hmmm, that could be anything.

415
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.760
At this point, I will take
another look at that a little more zoomed

416
00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:14.840
in. Still, it's kind of
dark on my head. I don't know

417
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.559
if it's my screen or what.
Well, it's a nighttime video too,

418
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:24.159
so it's really yeah, and you're
gonna see what appears to be the whole

419
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:36.360
family. I count four figures in
this one. I kind of see the

420
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:43.679
smudgets calls family. So I don't
know what you guys thought about that,

421
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.440
but it was pretty interesting to me
that some of this footage was caught.

422
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.960
And now there's more videos out there. I need to find more of them

423
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.960
because I really want to do a
whole episode just on this gentleman situation and

424
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.599
maybe get David Wilbanks back on the
show because it was really fascinating to me.

425
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.880
Really caught my attention? What what
caught my attention to? Oh,

426
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.719
I'm go ahead and shun go ahead. I was gonna say for that for

427
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.880
the show Bigfootville. What what really
kind of kind of caught me? And

428
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:22.159
this was, you know, I
think more compelling was during the daytime they

429
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.760
went out to one of the cabins
and there was an area that was clear

430
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.400
cut, but it was in such
a remote area there's no no direct access

431
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.559
to it. And uh, the
the needi of guide points out and says,

432
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.639
hey, there's one right there.
And you see this figure moving moving

433
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:51.320
along, uh through the brush.
And again it's not conclusive, but you

434
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.159
know, that was really to me, that was a compelling video to see.

435
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.760
Yeah, and you know, Oklahoma
just from its story oracle sense,

436
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.320
a lot of big Foot sightings,
right, a lot of Bigfoot history,

437
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:08.000
a lot of Bigfoot activity, and
where this gentleman was having and this wasn't

438
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.800
just like he's had ongoing, had
ongoing. He doesn't live there anymore.

439
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.159
He moved his whole family away,
I think Dave said, to Missouri,

440
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.880
and he was getting more footage.
And this thing happened to be going around

441
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.440
places where his kids were playing,
like you'd go around the playground equipment and

442
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.119
whatnot. And that he started getting
some of these on the security camera,

443
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.840
Like that was really telling to me. Like in some of the cameras he

444
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.079
hid in a way so he could
get more Like he hid one I think

445
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.679
in one of those windmill not windmill
but spitting dome things, you know,

446
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.760
I don't remember what he called them, whirlwind fans or something, and it

447
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.679
was just really fascinating to me,
and I'd just like to get more on

448
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.960
this, but I just wanted to
show a little snippet so he could go

449
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.440
back and talk about these little later, Like I'm just trying to wet our

450
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.440
appetites a little bit, because some
of these were going to be good,

451
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.639
some of them are going to be
shit. Like, I just wanted to

452
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:12.360
stuck to be on the same page
with that. Henry's back, Yeah,

453
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.639
I do so. I think I
can get us back to this one.

454
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.119
Now. We'll get two guys back
to a little bit more of this video

455
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:36.800
if you want to see a little
bit more of that one now. It

456
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:42.800
is a long shots and mildly ambiguous, but I think the striking thing to

457
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.920
me is the behavior. They seem
very apprehensive, like they're coming up closer

458
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.559
and closer, and then that's as
close as they get and then go back

459
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:59.199
into the woods. I don't think
anyone can question that those are upright walking

460
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:05.079
figures, even though it is at
a distance. It just looks like whatever

461
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.280
that is is on two legs?
Now, is it Saasquatch? I don't

462
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:13.320
know, but we are looking at
the evidence here. You sound for yourself

463
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.760
and we'll leave it at that one
right there. You will leave that for

464
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.239
yourself. So any final thoughts on
that one, guys, I know that

465
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.440
one had four. I couldn't see
four, but it doesn't mean anything.

466
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.760
I saw two, maybe three at
the if I'm really really like push it.

467
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.119
It seemed like there were two in
the foreground and then two in the

468
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.960
background, you know, like two
close up to those trees, and then

469
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.400
two in the kind of field area. But it's like you said, it's

470
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.119
ambiguous. Yes, it could be
it could be something, or it could

471
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.760
have been could be one figure,
and then we're kind of making the other

472
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.079
three figures appear in our head,
you know what I mean. And that

473
00:39:53.239 --> 00:40:01.119
still could be somebody just outside,
you know, you know, likeny Henny,

474
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.360
what you think. I couldn't really
see them, be quite honest.

475
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.000
But if they were there, if
there were four of them, then that's

476
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:22.239
if if they were actual sasquatch,
then that's a pretty interesting video. If

477
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:29.559
they're not, there are four people, yeah, four people active kind of

478
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:34.199
peculiarly in front of a in front
of a camera, but I mean that

479
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.119
you know the camera would be there
if that was the case, though,

480
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.599
right, pros and cons. As
you start building these lists, you can

481
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.440
really go down that rabbit hole.
Go ahead, James, Now did that

482
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.280
that video and the show you're talking
about, because I've never seen it,

483
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.000
But did they explain how long they
were out there, what kind of things

484
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.480
have already been seen? When,
when what happened afterwards, Because I'm trying

485
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.280
to get an idea of the like
if if you caught it on video once

486
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.880
when they're being like, did they
leave the camera up for another week to

487
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.000
see if they get another better glance? Well, yeah, it's one of

488
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.440
the things we were saying. It's
a static camera. He had it out

489
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.360
there to catch the activity that was
going on in his property, and he

490
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.719
happened to catch this. So this
was purposefully put on his property. He

491
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.760
had other cameras out there too and
happened to get this footage. So,

492
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.199
you know, to everybody to each
their own to make up what it is.

493
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.360
I find it kind of compelling and
I just want to, you know,

494
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.639
no more, so I'll put the
links in the video the links to

495
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.280
the videos and the show notes for
this, so people can go and check

496
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.079
them out and watch the video for
themselves. Watch that entire documentary, Bigfoot

497
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.360
Odyssey, Episode twelve. Pretty decent. So the next one, guys,

498
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.360
this one is also recent r And
I would have liked to have been able

499
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:59.639
to credit the original poster of this
footage, but I can't find it because

500
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:04.199
it's been posted so many times.
I couldn't find a direct link to the

501
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.920
original post. So I just had
one that managed to get it. Timmy.

502
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.840
And this one's gonna be a little
bit more difficult to see because we

503
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:16.440
are Hey, it's trained time.
It's a mute baker there, and I'll

504
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.920
go ahead and share the screen.
Now, get your eyes a little cooler

505
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:32.039
in there. You see that,
Henry, it's gonna be this little box

506
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:40.760
right here, fucking we're clean.
Huff. And then this next one,

507
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:54.519
got a good shot that's gone up
the hood. Hey, what about just

508
00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:13.760
taking a whole carriers did great?
Yeah, that's right, that's see what

509
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:29.639
something was dragged the other Your boss
to be going Now it's gonna be boot

510
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:36.519
next to it. Fucking we're clean. Huh. A little bit of language

511
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.480
still footprints and the half ripped hog. You know, I mean that was

512
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:49.239
interesting to Matt. Would you want
you wanted to talk on this one a

513
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.239
little bit, so go ahead,
I'm gonna give you the floor. Yeah,

514
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.960
there's obviously a lot of red flags
with this. One thing is is

515
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.199
uh, you know, being out
in the country and and knowing people that

516
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:07.360
you know slaughter hogs or they're hunting
hogs. You know what, for one

517
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:13.679
thing, that's a clean rip,
I won't call that a rip. That's

518
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.880
a clean cut of that hog.
That that hog was like it was.

519
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.800
It was cut with a saw in
half and there's no blood, there's no

520
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.519
innerds. Now, it could have
been killed somewhere else, and this wasn't

521
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:32.159
the kill site. Yeah, but
I'm really not inclined to believe that it

522
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.440
was torn in half by anything other
than for you know, a bone saw

523
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:44.840
or something in that matter. As
for the footprints, I'm gonna go back

524
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:52.760
to, you know, a comment
from another group that I belonged to a

525
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.639
Facebook group and the guy said,
hey, with real feet, real toes

526
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:02.760
create skelloped edges at great and you
could see that by uh, And he

527
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.599
explains that this was by you know, you could see that walking in saying

528
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.440
barefoot, look at your tracks.
But if you look at the Ray Wallace

529
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:20.760
type stompers, they didn't have the
cuts between the toes, and with the

530
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.079
impressions made, it was very similar
to the impressions that were made there.

531
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:30.400
So, uh, you know,
he's you know, the poster had pretty

532
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.159
much said and and he's a pretty
decent guy when it comes to, uh

533
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.920
talking about the footprints. You know, I'm inclined to believe that. And

534
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:45.800
again it's something we we recently had
prints that were that were shared up in

535
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:52.760
uh Kinzua Reservoir. And with that, those those prints you can actually see

536
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:58.719
that scallop. These here you don't
see that. And then you see the

537
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.280
two prints and then you see where
it went up a hill, and it's

538
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.960
two lines that go up the hill. So that there is just so many

539
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:14.000
red flags with this, and just
the look of disappointment on your face.

540
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.519
Matt's felling. Yeah. Absolutely,
you know, no blood, like you

541
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.320
said, no blood, no gores
or nothing, no dragging of blood that

542
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:28.679
would indicate it was a fresher kill. Right, yep, there's nothing to

543
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:35.320
it. It's a perfectly cut in
half hog. The cookie cutter footprints are

544
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:42.159
just blah like boring. Yes,
they're bigger than that guy's foot, but

545
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.519
I just I'm just not buying that. It was just definitely no, I

546
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:52.679
don't know, Bake Henry, go
ahead, and okay, So if you

547
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.360
go back in time, WHOA so
many years, ten years or more,

548
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.280
you will see a nice little video
made by the Sasquatch experience of my foot

549
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.360
in mud. And I will be
honest with you, if you do the

550
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.360
right angles, do you do the
things right? My sticking my foot in

551
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:20.639
the mud and us taking pictures and
video are not much different than what that

552
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.599
guy did. And I can tell
you now that if you do the angles

553
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:30.000
right, I could make my foot
look bigger by using someone who has a

554
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.119
smaller foot. So, in other
words, like I'm a size thirteen and

555
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:38.559
a half in shoes, give or
take, it matters how how bad the

556
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:43.679
diabetics is at the moment, how
much water I retain, and how generally

557
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.800
fat I am. But that's what's
go size twelve to thirteen, Barker,

558
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.119
What size is your foot? Nine, ten, ten and a half?

559
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.519
Okay, so you put my foot
down, which is larger than his,

560
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:02.159
and you put his foot next to
mine, and I could get it's gonna

561
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:07.519
look like, oh my god,
look at this shoe compared to this foot,

562
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.239
to this thing. And I think
a lot of these videos. The

563
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.599
other thing is is like, and
I realized they do it for what they

564
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.599
do it for, but like if
they were using it as actual physical evidence,

565
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.639
I again beat this to death.
But I want to report who was

566
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.800
there, what size are their feet, what other things have they seen,

567
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.320
how many hogs have they lost?
What made them think it might be this

568
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.719
otherwise than the foot And then I'm
more inclined to well, I'll use the

569
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:45.400
word care. You know your your
red flags are obvious. Yes, but

570
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.719
like I personally, and we weren't
trying to fake a sighting. We're just

571
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.480
showing how to make a footprint because
we didn't know any better, you know.

572
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.280
And I think you can still find
the video somewhere. It's probably you

573
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:07.039
put that so baked it. We
also baked that thing in an oven for

574
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.440
clein nothing about making a footprint.
At that time. It was great bullshit.

575
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:17.639
It was great bullshit. But here's
the thing, Matt. Even though

576
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:23.079
we put that, we put that
footprint in a shadow box with the information

577
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.639
on it at our table, and
we were using it as an example of,

578
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.239
you know, just a knowledge piece. So many people wanted to know

579
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:36.480
the story behind the footprint and wanted
to buy it from us, Like they

580
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.599
weren't listening that this was a human
foot. She cared about was it was

581
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.320
a foot There was a map of
like Coming County with a dot and a

582
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.960
story why we were at that area, and they just kept going, clinging

583
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.440
on to the fact that so Bacon
I went out to that area because there

584
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:58.079
was a big foot setting that had
happened there before. We went out to

585
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.960
cast a footprint track because somebody had
found footprints there, so we wanted to

586
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.199
know what the soil was like,
if you could make a legitimate footprint or

587
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.960
not, Like how reasonable was it
to assume how you could make it.

588
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.199
But even though we put all that
together, people still they kept insisting that

589
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.840
this is a big footprint. It
was James Baker's foot, but people down,

590
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.559
yeah, like it's to me that
people wanted to see my feet too,

591
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.199
But that was a whole other but
to the state of even then the

592
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:36.760
level of romanticism that are through people's
minds when bigfoot stuff happens, and when

593
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:40.480
critical thinking even when the evidence is
pushed right in front of you is alarming,

594
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.719
like, and that's where we're at
with and I think video makes it

595
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:50.320
worse because to some of these people, that's really tangible. There's something there

596
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.599
and they can latch onto it and
use that for whatever it is they they

597
00:50:53.639 --> 00:51:02.000
really need. And it was just
a little cy creepy, but interesting for

598
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:09.960
us to kind of go through and
see that. Alas you know, more

599
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:16.360
more Bigfoot evidence. We got this
one, the Brown footage, the Stacy

600
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.880
Brown footage. Guys, I don't
know if you're familiar with this one at

601
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.000
all, Baker, pay attention.
I think you're gonna like this because this

602
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:30.880
one's fascinating to me and hasn't been
debunked, has it, Henry not?

603
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.639
I'm aware of Henry. You want
to give a little background on it while

604
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:42.199
I queue it up here. Well, apparently Stacy Brown Junior and the late

605
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:49.880
Stacy Brown Senior or out in the
forests of Florida and they had a thermal

606
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.840
and it was actually Stacy Brown seniors
thermal. Yes, that's the camera that

607
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.400
took the footage. You're getting the
full video here. This is from Bigfoot

608
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:05.639
Stacey on YouTube. MHM do you
see that, guys, right, there's

609
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.639
our object. Yeah, you can't
see it? You no, are you

610
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:15.880
guys seeing? Oh now, hold
on, of course, hold on.

611
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.199
I'll play that again for you guys, just so you can see where it

612
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.719
was at. I'll get this right
yet you see it now? Yep?

613
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:34.840
Mm hmm. Is this aerial footage? No, you'll see in a second.

614
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:52.519
Oh okay, then you can check
this out on Bigfoot Stacey on YouTube

615
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.719
the videos right there, so their
video, we're just showing it for educational

616
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:12.039
purposes. So they used Cliff Brockman
as their well. Cliff looked at the

617
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.920
well. Stacey was on that ten
million dollars big Foot bounty too, right,

618
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.800
So I mean this was the Did
you see the size of the mits

619
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:28.519
on that thing as it was crossed
on that that area? There's some big

620
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:34.920
hands on that thing. What do
you think, Baker, you've got you've

621
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.480
this the first time you've seen it. What do you think? And where

622
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:44.960
was this? Where was this at? Florida? Yeah, Florida. But

623
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:51.000
my problem with Florida is I'm not
one hundred against an ape like preacher in

624
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:55.079
Florida. We've had this discussion mobile
time from Florida to Texas the Everglade area.

625
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:01.159
I really believe there's a large ape
frog percentage. I believe that apes.

626
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.000
If apes were going to live in
our part of America, that would

627
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.800
be the perfect environment. So I'm
not against an ape like creature. I'm

628
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:16.159
just not one hundred percent. It's
a bigfoot. Secondly, is it falls

629
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:22.559
into that same type of they saw
it, it went away? What's the

630
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.719
you know did they was there more
footage that showed nothing? What did they?

631
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.360
You know? What kind of you
know did they walk in afterwards and

632
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.519
look for track. That's where I
get hit with a lot of these.

633
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.719
But my main thing with being Florida, we we have We had this discussion

634
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:44.159
with a friend of mine the other
day, was is all these minks escaped

635
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:49.039
from Pennsylvania, and as it's getting
colder in Pennsylvania, they're going to start

636
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.559
moving south. They're going to take
the Appalachian Trail, They're going to take

637
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.239
any easy causeway to get to warmer
temperatures, and you can watch them.

638
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:02.800
Probably in the next six months,
there will be an abundance of minks in

639
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:08.599
Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia,
Florida, wherever it's warm enough to them

640
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:15.239
to live better, and there's so
many on I don't remember what the word

641
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:23.800
for it is is non native evasive
invasive species from Florida to Texas because mom

642
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:29.639
didn't want a reptile, you know, So I don't you know, between

643
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:35.880
that and the new storm systems that
are dropping ostriches and Maine there dropping EMUs

644
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.039
and Maine, I don't see where
this isn't plausible. I'm just not one

645
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:44.960
hundred percent sure it's a bigfoot that
helps. Well, that's one big,

646
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:50.960
one big champ at eight foot five
inches. If Cliff Barrickman's measurements are right

647
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:57.440
right, that's a big monkey.
And to me, the uniformity of the

648
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:02.599
thermal right, that was pretty telling
info. And doctor Meldrim states that too

649
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.079
when he was doing his own review
of the of the Brown Footage. Henry,

650
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.400
what more you got on this for
us? You've probably seen this many

651
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:17.239
many times. I've seen it several
times. I know that Cliff and the

652
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:23.199
the folks at Finding Bigfoot when they
had Stacey on the show, actually they

653
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:29.920
had both Stacis on the show,
and they were pretty impressed with it.

654
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:36.920
What about you? Are you impressed
with it? Yeah? It's it's good

655
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.400
footage. I don't know if it's
a sasquatch or if it's some sort of

656
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:45.480
a chip or not, but it's
interesting footage. What's interesting of it for

657
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.320
you? What? What? What
for you? Makes them stand out and

658
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.639
say, damn, this is really
good. Well, the fact that it

659
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:01.119
jumps, It sounds like it jumps
across, leaps across. Do you get

660
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:10.199
that Patterson esque kind of ohh silhouette
as it goes across there? Yeah,

661
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:15.719
definitely. Now, Matt, somebody
that looks at evidence all the time,

662
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:21.559
you have that classic Patty movement.
There is that something that would throw a

663
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:22.960
red flag for you? Or would
that be hey, you know what,

664
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:28.400
the things walks like something else we've
caught on film at one point in time.

665
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:34.159
Well, you know what I and
I don't want to diverge completely from

666
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.199
the subject, but when it comes
to evidence, I would be looking at

667
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:45.400
the raw video to see whether it
had been you know, altered in any

668
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:52.440
way. There's metadata if it's done
with a with a cell phone or you

669
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.599
know, any sort of smart device
that that would include you know, stuff

670
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.960
like GPS coordinates. Now, as
for the fleer, if the fleer has

671
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.760
not been tampered with in any way, you know, that seems to be

672
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.079
pretty good footage, and being able
to replicate that in the field would be

673
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.039
it would be fantastic if you can, if you could say, okay,

674
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.639
this this object was, you know, forty yards away at this tree,

675
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.960
because you can you know, kind
of get where they were and and I

676
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.480
think they were able to do that, and you know, it's very compelling,

677
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.400
especially in regards to the limb size. The limb sizes, particularly with

678
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:45.559
the arms. It really kind of
made it stand out from other other videos.

679
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:51.400
Definitely has some you know, proportional
pieces to it. Yes, well

680
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:55.920
that's the ones we have tonight.
We did have some Stacy not Stacy Stacy

681
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:00.760
Brown footage which we played Todd standing
man. Why don't you talk to us

682
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.800
a little bit about that boy?
Yeah, yeah, so of course,

683
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:09.360
uh yeah. He puts a video
out on I think it was a Sunday

684
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:15.239
in regards to you know, compelling
evidence, you know, definite proof,

685
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:24.280
and what he found was basically stick
structures with no The one thing that that

686
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:29.599
really kind of gets me is,
I know that they're more in an alpine

687
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:36.440
forest, uh you know, kind
of a burial environment, but there's no

688
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.960
other sign there there's no uh,
there's no prints, there's no impressions.

689
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.000
Uh, they just found these trees, and they're arbitrarily saying that the trees

690
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:51.599
are set up north, south,
east, and west. You can see

691
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:55.719
that there's other trees that are leaning
on other trees in that area. So

692
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:01.639
these you know, these particular trees
trees, is it just something where you

693
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.159
had dead fault that just happened to
fall on the right spot. I'm I'm

694
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:14.480
just not I I'm just not one
hundred percent believer in these gigantic tree structures

695
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:19.400
you know that are I think the
one he he said was like an eighty

696
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:24.239
foot tree. But yet you can
see these these pine trees and they're you

697
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.440
know, they're they're relatively weaker structure, so they so there's a good chance

698
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.159
that they are going to fall,
as you can see in the video.

699
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:45.280
Yes, so yeah, yeah,
that's so he is. He is saying

700
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.119
that that is, you know,
definitive proof. But for me, yeah,

701
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:58.119
I'm I'm looking for something else.
So so so okay, so tomorrow,

702
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:00.480
if I can get out of work
early enough or something like that,

703
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:05.280
or another day, I can go
up to my land and I can tell

704
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:10.119
you now that there are five or
six different tree structures. Okay, the

705
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.679
tree structures are the tree fell north, the tree fell south, and then

706
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.159
the tree fell west, and they
made a tepee because the first tree hit

707
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:20.920
the second one and they stayed in
the angle when the other one fell.

708
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:25.079
One like that. It's not you
know, we were at was it creature

709
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.519
weekend? Or was it obc,
I know what you're talking about. We're

710
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:36.400
at the bar and there's this gentleman
just pushing at the one. I think

711
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.039
it was Cliff, wasn't it?
Yeah, okay, just pushing at him.

712
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.559
Pictures. This has got to be
a saucequat structure. This has got

713
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.840
to be a saucequat story. Look
at what's gotta He's doing all the scientific

714
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.760
calculation. And Cliff said one thing
that everybody just sat back and awe at

715
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:57.079
because we were all thinking it.
But he said it, did you see

716
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:04.440
it? Make it? What?
Did you see tracks around it? Did

717
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:08.440
you see did you have evidence of
a creature living there? No? Did

718
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:15.280
you have a bunch of said you've
got nothing? Back up a second breathe

719
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.199
get it out of my faith,
because you can ask Sean, there was

720
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.119
a spot in my land, did
it looked like two trees were like this

721
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.239
and the third tree was I guess, but you know what you could also

722
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.800
see is two of the trees still
the roots connected to the ground where they

723
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:36.760
fell. Another tree just kind of
leaned that way. It's not you.

724
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:40.800
You know, the key to the
whole conversation isn't what you find, it's

725
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.639
finding what made it well. It's
the whole theme to this kind of exercise

726
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.599
tonight us taking a trip down some
of these videos, is that really it's

727
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:57.800
all subjective without any kind of concrete
proof for comparison. In the moment,

728
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.119
it's all subjective, like one man's
big foot's another man's big pile of leaves

729
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.079
piled up behind a stump that now
all of a sudden gives it form and

730
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:12.239
paradoilia sets in right like it's it's
difficult and until we find some sort of

731
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.079
specimen that's going to give us to
the answers, we just got to do

732
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:19.639
better. We got to really raise
the bar and raise the standards for what

733
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:24.199
we accept is video proof and video
evidence. And you know the clickbait adds

734
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:29.320
to these, you know, go
and make you want to go watch them.

735
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.280
They do. The problem is and
it's kind of even the problem we've

736
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:37.199
talked about the beginning of the show
with people in there so many witness encounter

737
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:43.000
driven podcasts, and how much of
that's creepy pasta the actual actual sightings.

738
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.719
We give you the ultimate guide to
hoating now every week when you tune in

739
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:52.880
and listen to the shows, we
tell you everything to do to create the

740
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.119
perfect Bigfoot sighting, create the perfect
Bigfoot report. And it's amazing to me

741
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:01.039
by how many of them still fall
miserably short, and that we continuously drive

742
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:06.719
this artificial need to make Bigfoot this
big scary monster because it clicks. You

743
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:11.400
get clickbait, you get views,
you get people to drive to your channel.

744
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.719
And again, if that's your thing, all that's okay. But don't

745
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:20.239
call yourself science and don't call yourself
research. Call yourself fiction and be okay

746
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:25.320
with that, because when you don't
do that, you hurt the integrity of

747
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.960
the scientific process upon which some of
us are trying to embark on in a

748
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:34.039
discovery science that we're really trying to
get credibility to. So if you're out

749
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:39.480
there making this content your desires to
make cash great, I'm not opposed to

750
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:43.360
that. Just make sure you're putting
a disclaimer on there that it's fake as

751
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.679
shit, because it makes those of
us that aren't after fake as shit stuff,

752
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.320
we're after the real stuff, makes
it a lot more complicated. I'm

753
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:57.039
Sean Foker and that's my final thought
on this matter. Henry James matt Any

754
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:08.480
final thoughts from you job. Yeah, I really know. Hopefully they'll be

755
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:19.000
a part three of this yeah down
the line. Yeah, I vis Yeah,

756
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:24.239
And I mean I'm gonna do another
push for for this, for this

757
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:30.400
outfit. But I'm gonna tell you
the ones that are doing it scientifically and

758
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:38.159
putting out a product with you know, for people to watch small Town Monsters,

759
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:44.280
they're they're fantastic because they're not uh
you know when they do the on

760
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:49.639
the trail series, they're not out
there, uh you know, the stating

761
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.800
you know, oh my god,
you know we may have got something.

762
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.119
They did the main episode and they
were quite clear was saying, hey,

763
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.800
we didn't get it anything, you
know, And I mean just their their

764
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:12.199
honesty and their integrity, uh with
with with them is just uh you know,

765
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:16.639
goes links with me. So uh
you know, shout out to too

766
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.320
small Town Monsters. Uh, Alex
and the crew. I mean, they

767
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.039
do a fantastic job, and uh, you know, I hope they keep

768
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.239
it up because that should be the
model that people that are doing research and

769
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.119
also looking for that entertainment you know, I can't say entertainment value, but

770
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:38.440
that they're trying to put it on
on on video. That's the model that

771
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.719
they should follow, right, infotainment, you know, where you're getting information

772
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.440
and still being entertained and honestly as
a full disclosure. That's why I,

773
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.480
you know, fund their products.
You know, that's why I do the

774
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:55.280
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775
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:59.800
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