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Hello, and welcome to the show. My name is Martin Willis. I'm

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your host tonight, and it's gonna
be kind of an unusual show. A

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lot of times we talk about like
nuts and bolts, UFOs, things like

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that. We're gonna be talking kind
of a full range. Since I've been

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doing the show, I've had a
number of people ask me, you know,

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what is the connection between UFOs and
bakefoot because they seem to happen in

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the same area and repeat guests Stand
Gordon has been on the show a number

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of times back in nineteen seventy three, did some really good work on that

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stellar work, and so there is
has been that question. Now, I'd

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like to keep an open mind.
I never say I know what things are.

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I never say you know for sure
they're alien, for sure they're this

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antidimensional that or whatever. I just
try to, you know, hear people's

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opinions and things like that. And
we have two very interesting guests for that

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tonight, Ron Meyer and Alan mcgargle, and they're going to be talking about

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they have several films, some they're
working on right now regarding this topic,

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and we're gonna be talking about all
that, and it should be a fascinating

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show. Our blog this week is
a nineteen it's called a nineteen seventy six

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UFO Encounter in Kentucky and another great, well researched blog by Charles Lear,

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who, by the way, is
I think his book is just about and

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when he gets that completed, we're
going to have him on the show to

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talk about it, help him out
with it. He's does such great work.

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I'm glad to have him and glad
to have the great work he does.

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And it's always put out or most
of the time ninety nine percent of

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the times put out as an audio
blog, which if you follow our podcasts

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on podcast ufo dot com you'll get
that RSS feed for your podcast player,

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or you're on our YouTube channel.
That's all on there. I believe I

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have a show coming up, not
this coming Sunday, but the Sunday after

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and on the Everything Else show.
So if you want to see what's going

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on with that, I really don't
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you have to do is subscribe to
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so that's where I talk about all
kinds of things on that show. And

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without further ado, I'm going to
bring in my two guests. Well,

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first of all, I do want
to thank you all for listening to the

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or not pass the show along if
you find it interesting. And again,

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thank you very much. And here
we go. How you doing. I

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have Ron Meyer. Welcome to the
show. Ronny and Alan. Yes,

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Hi Alan, Alan. I believe
I spoke with you first when it came

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to this. I don't remember how
we connected first, but I thought it

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would be it seems like you two, and you're connecting me with Ron.

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It seems like you two would be
the people to talk to when it comes

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to the connection between the UFOs and
Bakefoot that we hear about. Oh,

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and I've talked to you off air
about this person I spoke to the That

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person also said they see orbs and
hopefully that person will be calling in tonight.

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This is someone Just a little backstory
about what I'm talking about. I

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sat next to a lay on a
airplane and we were chatting and I finally

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said to her, felt courageous enough. You don't have to feel so worried

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about it these days. But anyway, I said, I do a show

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on UFOs. You know, what
do you think of that that topic?

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And she said, well, I
have I don't really know. It's interesting.

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I really don't know much about it. But I have a friend that

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has sasquatch, a whole troop of
them that come to her cabin in Washington.

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So today I spoke with that person
on the phone, and it's fascinating.

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I hope she does call in in
the last half hour and explain what

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she knows out there. So I'm
going to start. I we'll start with

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you allan, since I mentioned you
first, I why don't you go ahead

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if you would, and give us
your background and what got you interested in

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this topic to begin with. Sure. Yeah, So I've been interested in

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this kind of stuff since I was
a little kid. Me and my best

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friend used to, you know,
fantasize we saw a big foot in the

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backyard, and then we watch all
the TV shows back in the nineties,

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Sightings in search of and those kinds
of things. So I've been interested in

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it for quite a while. Um. There was a point where I did

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some things in the Adirondack Mountains of
upstate New York where my parents lived,

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and it had a potential big foot
encounter, and I sort of sparked my

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interest even more. When I got
back to Ohio, where I'm originally from,

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we me and my buddy connected with
the big foot community there the Ohio

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Bigfoot Conference and some other folks,
and it kind of took off from there.

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I did a lot of research with
some bfr eventually became part of the

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big Foot field researchers organization arena camp
out weekend with my buddy called big Foot

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Adventure Weekends, and we just had
had a lot of things going on.

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And then I met Ron, who
was doing a film project on it,

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and we sort of connected and ended
up moving out to Colorado where he is,

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and we decided to partner up on
some things and take a deeper look

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at this. And now we're,
you know, putting some connections together that

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a lot of people didn't necessarily want
to together. So we're kind of looking

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at things differently. Now. So
how about that? Very good? And

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Ron, how about yourself? What
got you interested in this topic? Wasn't

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meeting up. Wait a minute,
you met at a conference, so you

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had an interest in this before.
No, Actually, I was hired to

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do a series on the nature of
Bigfoot, but earlier, when I was

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a kid. I grew up in
Wisconsin, when there was little light pollution,

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I was obsessed with looking to the
heavens, built myself a six inch

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telescope, drowned the mirror itself,
and I came within half a day of

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having a comment named after me photographed. The first passing of spot Nick and

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I was obsessed with UFO was when
I was a teenager, and I think

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I had a classic type of UFO
encounters standing on top of my garage where

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I built a platform to put my
telescope. Fell forward to about seven eight

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years ago, I was hired to
do a program, a series called Chasing

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Bigfoot about the phenomena of Bigfoot,
which has done very well, but towards

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the end of it and I never
really believe that there was actually some sort

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of advanced ape, you might say, running around amongst us in some way

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that keeps itself hidden yet kind of
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somebody, somebody I was interviewing towards
the end set well, I think you

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know that that Bigfoot is actually pair
of physical which would mean something you could

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say, a non human intelligence,
which probably would be classified as what aliens

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and UFOs are about is a non
human intelligence. So that was the beginning

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of the merger. And as a
result of that, I felt, well,

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since I am a film producer of
many years, maybe i'll do I'm

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interested in this. I got to
explore more what's the possible connection would be,

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and that was the film called The
Bigfoot Alien Connection Revealed, which has

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been a runaway success. I think
over four million views across multiple streaming platforms.

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And I did that in conjunction with
Allen and that became the basis of

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our new kinds of investigations. Wow. Yeah, I'm not sure if we

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can do anything about your audio there. Definitely we're all noticing it. It's

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pretty bad. Yeah, maybe if
you're closer, try that now, we'll

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get you right up in the camera. But still it's the audio we're concerned

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about the most. Well, the
mic is in the camera or the web?

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Is that any better? Yeah?
That is better. So we're gonna

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have to have you that close up
throughout the show. And so that's just

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that's just fine. Thank you for
doing that. How that'll work just fine,

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because I really do want to take
calls. So that's the only other

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way. If your mic fails on
you, we have to have you call

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in and there's only one one line. But but you're good, You're good.

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So let's see. So as far
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Big Foot encounter, uh the what
say the tunnel of that? If you

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would please all revealed, that's right. Yeah, So I watched that and

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I thought it was, you know, for the most part, really interesting.

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I thought, you know, to
be honest with you, there was

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a couple of things that I thought
were reaching a little bit, you know,

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and um, but you know,
I know that gets a big audience.

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I know that too. You know, people are fascinated by that.

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And you know, I mean we
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you know, when you're talking about
this type of topic, the number one

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thing people want the nuts and bolts, They want evidence, they want to

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you know, where where is that? And and and just just let me

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show this to the the audience that
are watching on video. This is a

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stabilized video of the only really good
video the Patterson gimblin nineteen sixty seven.

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Here it is. It's colorized and
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that. I know there has been
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been a lot of people that have
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is someone in a guerrilla suit.
And you know what, the an anatomy

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of a human human being does not
line up with the joints and things like

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that. So it's, uh,
it's fascinating to think that that that could

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be the real film. Not I've
seen you. I'm sure you have seen

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other films of people showing and it's
just I don't know if those are real.

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You know, there's little glimpses and
things like that. But for instance,

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you know, my thought is right
now, okay, this woman I

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spoke to earlier and she had to
get off the phone quickly because she had

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an appointment, But it was,
why don't we see video? Why don't

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we see pictures of these? That's
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to connect? Not being now take
that topic? Why really good video?

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I think that it's just it's just
not possible. There's there's something sort of

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non scientific about you know, the
experiences that people are having with all of

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this that are just they're they're not
tangible in that way. It's not meant

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for everyone. It's meant for the
individual, whatever type of experiences it's been.

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And I can let Ron elaborate on
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Robbly, Yeah, go ahead.
I mean I think the same is true

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for let's say craft alien craft types
of experiences. Right there, they're not

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very many really good pictures or videos
of alien craft unless you know something that

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I don't. You know, the
tic tac ones are are quite interesting and

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brobably. I've heard that those are
some of the worst pictures, so maybe

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there are better ones. But there
are multiple ways to experience paranormal phenomena,

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including Bigfoot, there at least associated
with them. So I'm not saying I

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don't think we're saying that this creature
is something like you could film. You

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could like you film a gorilla,
because it's not. It doesn't have that

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nature. It has some other nature
rather than it's paraphysical, supernatural, whatever

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you want to call it. It
doesn't have a physical existence, but it

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can appear in a physical way.
You know, the most common evidence of

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bigfoot, our footprints, large plaster
of pairs cast, but almost in every

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case there's only two or three and
then they disappear. So you think if

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you were tracking some animal, the
tracks would go on and go somewhere and

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end up somewhere. But in almost
all cases, including our own cases in

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our land, they show up,
they go for a while, and they

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just seem to disappear into nowhere.
And there are plenty accounts of a big

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foot disappearing in front of people's eyes, or merging into orders, or some

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people even saying being pull up into
UFOs. So they have this quality that's

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that's not in some way totally of
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Yeah, you know, years ago
when I started this show, I

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remember that I had someone on that
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on, I'm not, I don't
remember if it was an organization or not,

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but taking reports of UFOs. It
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the story of this particular encounter was
this woman. It was an older,

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elderly woman and she was watched this
large orb you know, come down behind

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her property and then she sees like
an a big foot appear out of it.

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Now, This is going back,
you know, ten years ago I

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heard heard this, and so that
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don't know what I think about it. You know, are they entered dimensional?

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Is that the is that the leading
Is there a leading theory I should

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say? I mean, what's their
nature besides not the lesson blood totally?

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Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I mean are they coming? I

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mean, are people? Is like
a common theory that they're coming from another

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dimension? Or is there no common
theory? Um? I mean that's the

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simplest way people talk about mystical experiences
is that they're interdimensional. But I'm not

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quite sure what that would actually mean. So so Ron, just to let

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you know what Bill said, you
can back up just a little bit.

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I think now right right about right
there, that's let's try that. So

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yeah, um, and this thing
about warves, you mentioned that earlier people

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are mentioning that they see these things
disappear into warbs, and if they you

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know, is that their way they
if it is interdimensional, is that the

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way they travel? You know?
Well, um, I'm not stuck on

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the term interdimensional. What do you
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that they come from another dimension,
they come in and out of our our

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space from another space. I mean, I'm just wondering if that is like

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a common theory of what these things
are, because there's no remains anywhere,

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no one's ever found like a big
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that I'm aware of, so so
that they're not at least totally flush and

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bad a part of our our natural
system or somehow somehow supernatural. But you

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know, Christians talk about God living
in heaven, right and they don't call

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God in or dimensional or angels or
so on. So I'm not sure what

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the I don't think anybody really knows
what the source is in that sense.

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But what about UFOs, I mean
they some of the occurrences seem to be

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quite mystical in that same way.
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think about the state of physics and
relativity, there's a lot that's not known

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right now, and and I don't
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answer to that question. In particular, I think it's it's open right now

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for exploration. All this can happen. But since since since recorded history,

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people have been having these kinds of
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big foot or you know, angels
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mountains and had some sort of encounter. The Bibles follow them, so the

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you know, Muhammad had had a
supernatural encounter, and of course Eastern religions

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are full of them as well.
These experiences that are sort of tailored for

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you. They show up in a
way that that sort of makes sense for

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you in the short term and you
can handle them. But what it's all

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about is still open right now in
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I feel about UFOs as well,
you know, like where That's why I

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like to interview different people that have
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I've heard I've heard it all,
and the best, the best answer I

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like to that question is maybe they're
several different things, you know, maybe

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it's not just one thing. Yeah, can we tell you about we We

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got kind of carried away, I
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the Rocky Mountains, around the edge
of the Rocky Mountains. We opened we

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opened up. We thought we could
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and we actually captured on film creatures
coming through. Not Bigfoot brought strange

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creatures and we got them, you
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film absolutely, well, you know, on a webcam and we don't shoot

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film anymore. But yeah, yeah, right while and do you want to

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stay to tell you about that?
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we also think that that not only
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well as not not only do you
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interact. There's a long history of
people getting downloads like Newton got a download

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about gravity tying together what happens here
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and after that it became obsessed with
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So anyhow, we started out saying
if we could maybe interact with with what

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we thought might be big foot on
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to do that is to put some
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could move it or change it when
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would happen. So we've our land
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Rocky Mountain National Park, and Allen, we tell them about the feather we

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put in the bottle and how we
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what happened. Yeah, So during
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Alien Connection Revealed. We talked to
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on the West coast and and they
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gifting and how you can have these
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was bigfoot. So we we tried
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of a glass bottle with a sort
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put a feather in there, and
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rocks, just sort of created a
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and we did it in such a
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had to you know, found the
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feather out. So it just tried
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we could. Um. So we
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and eventually we came back in after
a couple of attempts and the feather was

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out of the bottle and we found
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starting to make some sort of connection. So something wanted to play. So

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what we did next is that we
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trap okam on this location. Now, we'll consider this our gifting site.

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And we did, and we came
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and dropped at our gifting site was
a mutilated deer. You've probably heard about

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mutilations as some sort of weird paranormal
phenomena. Well that blew our mind,

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so in fact, you know,
it's kind of spooky. I actually had

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a mental experience at the same time
when we discovered that, where I have

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a way of meditating, and I
did an open eye meditation, I closed

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my eyes and immediately a parade of
about a hundred weird creatures poured through in

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my mind's eye indicate something like what
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to some people about mutilations, and
this seemed to fit the Bill Club well.

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Alan looked at you know, the
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on its computer. Why don't you
tell them what we found? Yeah,

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clips that were all static. It
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which was very unusual. Never had
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that camera for a while. But
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that footage, you could see some
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to sort of invert that image,
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to white, and we could clearly
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two or three different videos we have
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same time. You see that there
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it was a very clear shape to

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it all. By the way,
the camera was working perfectly when this wasn't

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happening. We had good night shots
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and so we went out and took
and took magnetic readings to see if we

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can confirm that dome shape and for
a ship. Sure enough, we got

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magnetic fluctuation corresponding to that dome shape
that we're off the charts. At the

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same time, we could get that
anytime we wanted. Interesting. So,

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just getting back to the mutilation the
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same property and then it showed up
after I mean, did you not see

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it one day and then it there? We you know, we we have

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to drive about an hour and a
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where we live, so we well, we came out. There was totally

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unexpected. I'm sure that the stati
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days earlier, we went to see
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a week later, it might have
been somewhat devoured. But again, I

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don't know what to say it was. But this brand new, no blood.

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There were saw marks, cut marks
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head, and you know we're on
the unlocked, a gated community of large

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landholders of forty acres who are all
pretty civilized people. So it's just and

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there were no drag marks, and
this was off the road quite a bit,

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so there was a mystery. This
is all the kind of a mystery.

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I know that you mentioned the skinwalker
ranch phenomenon. That's what you call

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it, and I think that is
a good term because you know, most

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people know what that is. And
so you are obviously out there looking for

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these type of areas, which there
seems to be quite a few of some

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of them. Say there's you know, a native American connection. Some people

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say that there's a geological connection,
minerals, things like that. So this

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particular area you're talking about in Colorado
or does that have anything that stands out

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to you either one you all of
that. There's a Native American connection.

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There is, you know, a
crystal connection. There's a lot of rose

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courts and things like that in the
in the ground there, so I think,

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yeah, it's a there's a connection
to all that and a lot of

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reports you know thround us part the
gateway to the Big Park and near the

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Stanley Hotel, which is considered to
be the most haunted hotel in the country.

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You know, the place that your
boyfriend from Main hung out at you

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got the expert inspiration for the shining
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How I lived in Colorado for three
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area, but I used to travel
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So here's a question, someone's please
ask about the possibility of Bigfoot as well

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as etot both. Are there both
any comments on that? So certainly there

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there are appearances and glimpses of booth
without a doubt, and often in these

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uh these paranormal hotspots that we've been
investigating both show up. We were one

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in Wisconsin where we had all sorts
of strange things. We're looking for the

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Beast of Bray Road, and we're
kind of hypothesizing that these beasts are a

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group of animals like the Beast of
Bray Road, which is a dog man

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or gold man in Bigfoot. They're
probably all the same phenomenon in our opinion

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at the moment. They show up
in different ways for different people. And

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once once the site becomes well known
for more and more people become aware of

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it and they start having experiences.
And so we actually captured maybe the Beast

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of Bray Road on filming it too. Might a strange occurrence there that was

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in Wisconsin. So, but also
at this site what we call our sweet

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spot out there, it's the best
example of UFO Pencil shaped UFOs. Are

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you familiar with those? I'm sorry, what shape? Pencil shaped? I

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thought that's what you said. No, gated ones like this, you know

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they are feel like this pencil shape, Well, pencil pencil you're right,

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Well, okay, see I'm having
it still having a hard time with that

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audio. It sounded like you were
saying pretzel and that would that'd be a

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new one to me, you know, never they had a little sault and

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everything. So the guy who owns
the property to capture on his jail,

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kim the best pencil shape you have, alas I've ever seen moving moving in

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actually moving in the frame from one
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right over the spot where we may
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camera. Interesting. Wow, here's
another question that and people thank you for

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putting your questions in all caps so
I don't miss them. So what about

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them? Do you know? I
don't. I'm not familiar with this,

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but I have heard of people suggesting
that they hear something in their mind.

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He's calling this the mind speak phenomenon. Many reports have been about that.

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Um, what do you have to
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comments on that? Allen? Allen's
pretty familiar with that person. Yeah,

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It's it's not so much um mind
speak for me. It's it's more of

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a it's been more of a sort
of a spiritual experience, is what I

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liken it too, UM, where
I feel emotion but not my emotion,

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and I sense this presence when I'm
close along with you know, hearing other

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noises, footsteps and things like that. Um, yeah, there's there's Um

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I feel this connection when I'm doing
these things, like, not only am

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I looking for them, they're looking
for me at the same time. That's

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what it feels like. Um.
So I think they have a way to

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communicate. Um. Maybe some people
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it's I sort of you know,
I feel it about that. Yeah,

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go ahead. So we are in
Wisconsin where we are looking at the

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beast Bray Road, our host who's
a you know, well experienced to despatcher,

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and it's kind of gone from Harry
creature in the woods to something more

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paranormal. At one point, when
I did a meditation, he heard mind

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speak. He usually goes out armed
with tons of equipment and camera's rolling and

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it looks like he's ready for battle
in Afghanistan or something. He heard clearly

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something in his mind and felt it
at the same time to turn everything off,

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and he had never done that before, and he did it and put

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him at ease and made him feel
comfortable on the way he had never felt

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in the woods before. Yeah,
that ties back to what we talked about

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at the beginning of the show where
you know, no one ever gets a

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good picture. I think if you're
going to have an experience of this nature,

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you can't go in there like that
without intention, with that equipment.

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It just it doesn't work that way. It's not going to happen for you

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like that. I've heard I've heard
other people say that that they that sometimes

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they don't even bring anything with him
because they want to have an experience,

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and that if they have things with
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thing for me that really started to
you know, turn up the volume on

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a lot of this where now I
start to have experiences more often than not,

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has been opening my mind to that, and that took a long time

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for me to do because I'm not, you know, that kind of person.

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I'm I'm an engineer, I'm science
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So it was sort of letting go
of all that when you're when you're

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in the woods and letting it,
letting it happen. But that that's a

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really hard thing to do because you
don't it doesn't feel natural, you know

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for me anyway? What about fear? Now I think of Bigfoot and I

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can't help but to think that if
I was in the woods and something was

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nine feet tall and big and harry
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or anywhere that I saw, I
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that's part of what I'm talking about. You know, you have to let

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go of all that. You have
to be receptive. If you panic,

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you're gonna just shut down. Everything's
gonna shut down. You need to be

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calm and open to that, and
things will happen. I mean, I've

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had these things. You know,
I didn't see them, but I heard

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them walk right up to me,
you know, six safe feet behind me,

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and I could I could feel it. There was like a warm,

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swirling feeling in my chest. I
knew something was right behind me. But

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it just you know, you have
to be calm or or it's it's over

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before it even begins. Yeah,
and what about I don't know which one

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of you said it. Someone said
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that mean when they're seeing this together, they're both seeing something different. I

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think it happens both ways. Sometimes
people will see the same thing and sometimes

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they'll see something different. Or one
we'll see something the other around't see anything

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at all. Yeah, we've had
experiences where I clearly heard something and Ron

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standing right next to me and he
didn't. We've had instances where we've heard

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the typical bigfoot wood knocks, clear
as day, super loud, two cameras

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rolling, and we go back to
review the footage and there's nothing. It's

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on there anywhere. So I think, I think there is something to that.

410
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.519
Yeah, well, it's the same
thing with UFOs. I heard a

411
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.200
number of people say that they both, you know, side by side,

412
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.519
saw something different. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, witness testimony

413
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.599
is good, but it's also it's
it's the hardest piece of ali. Yeah.

414
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.960
Yeah. So so just one more
thing on the fear business, I

415
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:45.000
think and this, I think this
is correct that the mental state you go

416
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:51.759
in with, whether it's fear based
or something much more calm or even joyous,

417
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.400
you're paranormally encountered, whichever it will
be, will reflect your mental state.

418
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.279
Yeah. It takes a bit of
training in preparation to open people up,

419
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.359
I found too, to get out
of that fierce state into something more

420
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:13.960
opening and accepting, and then you're
experience well your mental state. Yeah,

421
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.280
I've been in the woods with people
that were armed to the teeth, you

422
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.480
know, that was the way they
went. They were they were afraided,

423
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.639
and I had experiences and I was
ten feet behind them and they didn't,

424
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.679
you know, just things like that. So that's something. Well, Um,

425
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:36.440
here is a very interesting question from
Carl Mids and any connection to bigfoot

426
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.719
and people disappearing in the wilderness.
I don't know if either one of you

427
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:45.159
have ever followed David Polites um four
one one all these strange missing people,

428
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.760
and you know, I think people
have asked him that question as well.

429
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079
I believe, Yeah. I mean, for me, the experience of that

430
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:59.159
I have had have not been fearful
whatsoever. And I don't I don't believe

431
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:05.159
there's a direct connection. Not to
say that something couldn't happen. Maybe if

432
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.199
those people are threatening in them in
some way, but I don't know,

433
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.719
I'm not I'm not convinced that that's
a normal thing, not to say it

434
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:20.199
hasn't happened. Yeah. Interesting,
Well, when we think, go ahead,

435
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.519
run, you look like you're going
to say something. Yeah, So

436
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.559
important aspects of our investigation is that
every time we've gone in the field,

437
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:37.159
we've had some occurrence or some force
messing with technology. M I think gives

438
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.400
you it gives us some sort of
clue as to what the nature of these

439
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:46.239
things might be. Um, you
want some examples, Yes, i'd like,

440
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.719
And I'm going to ask you right
after bat how about the draining of

441
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.880
batteries. That's what I always hear. Yeah, that We had a spectacular

442
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.760
one of those. We were we
were in Arkansas a Crystal Mind and we

443
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:05.639
you know what a rampart is.
Rampart rampart, it's a that's a ghost

444
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:12.119
device that puts out a very weak
electromagnetic signal and the radio wave frequency range.

445
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.199
You know. It's it's like a
little dome shape and then something gets

446
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.000
into that it disrupts the field and
it sets off a visual and audio type

447
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:30.760
of display. We set these on
a picnic bench and my cameraman had a

448
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.280
long live audio recording device separate independent
set it next to us, and we

449
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.719
went back and we were on a
stage looking and all of a sudden,

450
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.920
the grandpod went off and it was
going crazy, and we could see it

451
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.960
visually. We could see it through
through infrared, and we could see it

452
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:57.840
through just normal camera enlargement. And
it lasted for over twelve minutes and then

453
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:06.360
stopped and and allan and the cameraman
went to gather the tools up there had

454
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.480
multiple experiences. Why don't you say
what happened after Allen? Yeah, so

455
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.440
when we picked up the rampott,
it was the batteries were dead, and

456
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.320
then we went to shut off the
audio record that was right next to it,

457
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.800
and the batters were dead on that
too, And our cameraman said that,

458
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.559
you know, that should last a
day or two. That had a

459
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.639
plenty of power in it. So
that was very surprising. And then as

460
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.800
soon as we sort of got our
hands on those things, there was just

461
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.159
we both got hit with this just
words smell that came out of nowhere just

462
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:40.519
hit us both like a wall of
just just really nasty and future smell.

463
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.519
And then as soon as we both
sort of discussed it for a few seconds,

464
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:52.840
it was gone. Since that's something
wow, Speaking of odors, do

465
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:58.079
you hear a lot of people talk
about the big foot order that sort of

466
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:05.559
musky and maybe they smell bigfoot before
they no, he's even there? Is

467
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.320
that something you hear when you've investigated
these things? It is, I've I've

468
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.559
experienced that too. I don't know
if it's a you know, a defense

469
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.000
mechanism or if it's a stinky bigfoot
or what. But it doesn't happen,

470
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.880
you know, all the time.
It's not it's not a telltell, you

471
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.679
know, part of every sighting,
but it's definitely a thing that people say

472
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:31.119
a lot. Wow. So what's
happening is that in this particular incident,

473
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:39.480
um the owners of the property interpreted
all this had some sort of encounter with

474
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.639
Bigfoot, that that something we couldn't
see at least individual spectrum was interfering or

475
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:52.960
moving inside that electromagnetic field producing that
smell. So a lot of paranormal phenomena

476
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:59.639
which probably fifty years ago row would
not have been called in encounter and interpreted

477
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.039
as big or now being intributed in
the presidence of Bigfoot, just like Alan's

478
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.199
felt experience in multiple places. He
could say they were a big foot,

479
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.679
he could say it was something else
that was para normal maybe alien of a

480
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:19.639
different nature. But more and more
and more things that occur that are unusual

481
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:23.559
or kind of supernatural are said to
be attributed to Bigfoot for whatever reason.

482
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:30.320
And Wow. Now we talked earlier
about Skinwalker Ranch, and I know that

483
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:37.159
there was a science team there and
they actually we're not filming at the time,

484
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.840
but they saw a portal and they
saw this animal, not a bigfoot,

485
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.880
but some type of weird animal come
out of this portal. And this

486
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:52.480
is also this question that just popped
up here. Jaalen wants to know if

487
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:59.239
do you have any comments regarding them
traveling through portals? Actually, I mean

488
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.559
I think I should smaller animals.
Yeah, that's a real possibility. I

489
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.840
mean, I think you're common about
skin Walker Ranch. That's I guess what

490
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:12.000
we would classify. That's the same
thing that we had happened on Bronze property.

491
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.440
So you know, we um we
were at the Montana Vortex or up

492
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:22.519
in near Glacier National Park and they
have a vortex there and the owner of

493
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.679
the property has video of what he
says is a bigfoot coming through a large,

494
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.760
hairy being sort of appear. So
I think it's it's possible. If

495
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.400
it's if it happens all the time, I don't know, but I think

496
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.320
it's definitely possible. So if you
remember that incident that skin Walker Ranches,

497
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:45.519
that these portals occur in conjunction with
a traumatic drop and temperature. I mean,

498
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.639
people will you know encountered ghosts and
crazy buildings. It's almost size.

499
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.320
It felt drop in temperature. Is
it maybe that can be attributed to a

500
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.599
portal and something moving through So and
two of our investor gatitions we had clear

501
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:10.920
evidence of portals that we captured on
our thermal that were on a summer evening

502
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.760
in Washington, State of Washington,
we found a cold spot on an area

503
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.400
where a sensitive says she had plenty
of paranormal activity and what was the temperature

504
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.800
below freezing in this little portal area
island? Was that something like that?

505
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.480
Yeah, we were getting really low
temperatures. I don't remember the exact numbers,

506
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.760
but thirty and below in a small
early And then at our place where

507
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.519
we thought maybe we had the Beast
of Gray Road, we had a similar

508
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:46.119
sort of situation where the temperature wasn't
it was a warm evening and the temperature

509
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.960
was down into the thirties and forties
again, and it has a physical shape

510
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.119
of kind of kind of like a
circle, but not quite as Moore rough.

511
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.960
But the big, the big experience, they had a skin walk around

512
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:07.039
same phenomena or portal when all this
stuff showed up. And and in Colorado

513
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.800
we had a situation where two guys
were out doing big footing during the Bigfoot

514
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.360
weekend, and we captured on film
from from each one a different look at

515
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.960
what they said was an orb um
and this wasn't you know, backscattered because

516
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:34.079
they weren't using improgretting still cameras shooting
you know who flash um. Quite different

517
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.840
in shape and very interesting. And
one of them said that Bigfoot emerged from

518
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:50.840
that from that the or the portal
or the orb the orbs they all occurred

519
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:57.880
together. Who documented that? Too? Interesting? How you know another thing

520
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.559
that makes you wonder if it's what
makes like say, if these things are

521
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.920
really happening, happening in certain areas, you know, I mean they theorize,

522
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.000
you know, the minerals, they
theorize, you know what we talked

523
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:17.239
about earlier, Native American connection whatever. But it's not just here in this

524
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.920
country. You know, things are
happening everywhere. You know, even at

525
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.440
Randelsham Forest they say weird things are
happening. You know, that's known for

526
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.119
a nineteen eighty you know, UFO
incident at a military base. But people

527
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:37.119
are saying that they've see cryptoid animals
and things that are just really wild,

528
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.639
you know, the dogman and all
that everything else that they see in this

529
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.519
whole area, And why do you
suppose it's they're just in certain areas,

530
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:52.400
and you know, for it,
does that point more to where people might

531
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:59.840
think that this could be travel through
some other realm. So, you know,

532
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.320
I think if you look at history
going way back, I think all

533
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:10.480
these mystical experiences always correspond to some
sort of place. You know, Jesus

534
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:17.039
had his experiences somewhere, Muhammad had
his experiences somewhere. Often the people that

535
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.800
we're in India, or the Buddhists, they're all associated with places in somewhere

536
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.920
or another. Thomas Martin, the
great Christian mystic, said there are places

537
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:32.480
that are thinner to the other side, whatever that means. So we also

538
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:38.760
think that human consciouences joined together,
and there's some evidence like Dean Ray and

539
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.360
you know he is no, I'm
not familiar. Yeah, the great PSI

540
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:53.280
experimenter that scientific work that human consciousness
has joined together can create these places so

541
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.599
that people are creating them. And
once once it starts, it begins to

542
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.039
build and build. And we have
some pretty good evidence that's the case.

543
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.880
It's everywhere we go, we can
kind of pinto on one or two people

544
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:12.199
kind of the beginning of it all. Wow. Interesting. Well, last

545
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:17.039
week's show was on the consciousness connection
with UFOs. Last week was at this

546
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.159
week is big Foot. So I
just heard very similar, for sure,

547
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:29.280
I think, Yeah, yeah,
okay, I just heard from the person

548
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:34.000
I spoke to earlier, and she's
willing to call in, so I might

549
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.559
do that a little bit early and
I'll let of course Bill has to take

550
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.239
the call and all that. Here's
another question. Have either of you heard

551
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.559
the samurai chatter from these creatures?
Yeah? Yeah, what is? I

552
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.440
did a lot of you know,
sort of cut my teeth on Bigfoot at

553
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.519
Salt Fork State Park in central Ohio, which is well well known across the

554
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.719
country with big foot folks, and
me and my buddy, we were we

555
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.519
had reserved the group campground, which
is a huge area off in the wildlife

556
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.199
area of the park by itself,
and we had we gotten some special permission

557
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.159
to go in there after the season. So it was in March and it

558
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.079
was really really cold that night,
in the twenties, and we had set

559
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.400
up our ten and we were just
sitting by the fire, you know,

560
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.199
discussing our plans and how we're gonna, you know, do our investigation and

561
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.760
down on the trail down below is
we heard what sounded like a woman talking

562
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.440
to two kids, just soft little
voices. But the more we'd leaned in

563
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.840
and listened, We're like, that's
not people, but it's language, and

564
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.800
that's that's what it sounded like.
It was that sort of chatter noise,

565
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:42.159
and it went on for a couple
of minutes and we had a very rustless

566
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:47.239
night after that. Interesting. Wow, that is that? And I had

567
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:52.480
never heard of that. So I'm
asking, I'm asking her name is mar

568
00:46:52.599 --> 00:47:00.880
d m A R d Hi,
asking her to call now so built might

569
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.039
be ready and standing volume. We'll
take her call. So why she's in

570
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.679
Washington State? Why Washington? Why
is so much going on there? Don't?

571
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.880
I know you too are in Colorado, but you must wonder why that

572
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:21.000
state is so active? I mean, is it the wilderness? Does that

573
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.960
have something to do with it?
It does, and I think there's a

574
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.000
lot of people out there dedicated to
finding it too, so you've got more

575
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.440
people looking. Um. But yeah, it has a it has a real

576
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.679
rich history. I'm not sure.
I mean, it's it's super remote out

577
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:42.000
there, yeah, but also there's
a lot connected to the to the volcanoes

578
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:47.760
and the cascades. There's a lot
of underground passageways and strange things connected to

579
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.599
those volcanoes. I heard that.
And then there's the memo moons. Have

580
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.599
you heard of that? Where's that's
there? Obviously, but where where in

581
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.719
the state? Where are the memo
mows? We Sentellia there? There are

582
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:07.679
these these comical shaped things that are
maybe six seven feet high, and there's

583
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.920
thousands of them, all lined up
one after another. One theory is that

584
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.079
aliens some aw we're digging these tunnels
and that's where they dumped the material.

585
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:22.960
Otherwise that they're totally inexplicable. There's
no way that they could have occurred,

586
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.960
and they're quite ancient. It's just
really bizarre stuff like that going on.

587
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.760
Now, have they ever done a
radar to try to see what's down inside

588
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.360
them? Like a lot of times
will be a burial, uh, you

589
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.119
know, chambers or something that are
unusual. Yeah, there's nothing there,

590
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.719
but there's thousands of them all lined
up in one area, one after they're

591
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.639
probably five or six football fields across, and it goes for miles. Wow,

592
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.920
and Ron touched on another you know
topic that's come up while we've been

593
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.559
doing this research and talking to people, and there's there's a contingency of people

594
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:01.079
that believe that they may be subterranean
as well. And there's a whole infrastructure

595
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:07.039
underground somewhere that these things could come
in and out of. Well, well,

596
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.440
I have Marty is on the line. I'm going to add her to

597
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.000
the show. Marty is the person
that I was talking about earlier. I

598
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.360
met her friend on a plane and
started talking to her and she connected me

599
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.280
to her today, Marty, welcome
to the show. Hi, Hi,

600
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.679
Hi, are you willing? Let's
hear your your what part? You're right

601
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:36.719
on that border of Oregon, right
your cabin? Yes, okay, yeah,

602
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:42.840
So can you explain what is happening? Well? Um, for the

603
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:49.800
last three years, we developed a
relationship with a group of sasquash that lives

604
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:55.840
on the property. And UM,
I realized that sounds well to this audience.

605
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:01.760
Hopefully it sounds normal. I'm a
skeptic, I'm a natural skeptic of

606
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:07.840
everything and so, um, but
I'm very open minded about most things,

607
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.320
and and and so it's UM.
It started with just hearing them hearing,

608
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.880
you know, them calling to each
other at night, which is pretty terrifying.

609
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.719
Really loud screams and the chatter.
I think Alan or Ron just mentioned

610
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:29.559
the chatter noises that they heard.
You know, it sounds like a group

611
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:34.840
of people talking. Uh, we're
hearing that at night as well. Like

612
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.719
you, you would think that there's
a group of humans on your property.

613
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:44.960
We have thirty acres, it's our
own mountains and we are in what's called

614
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.719
High Prairie, Washington. So we
look right out at Mount Adams in the

615
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.320
Cascades. We're right between Mount Hood
and Mount Adams. So, um,

616
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.199
that would give you an idea of
the terrain. And you know, I'm

617
00:50:55.239 --> 00:51:01.280
only twenty miles away from the Esti
Ranch ec Eti, you know with a

618
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.159
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm probably the most paranormal hotspot in

619
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.880
the whole state. So after buy
them. So, so, Marty,

620
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.960
before we continue here, I have
to ask you, and I want you

621
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:22.119
to continue because it's it's fascinating to
me. But what about photos and videos.

622
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:28.519
I've heard other people say they disappear
when you want to take a picture.

623
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.719
Is that what what's going on with
that? Yeah? Well, I

624
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:38.199
had one experience of justiness lash June. It was I've been um, I

625
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:43.559
meditate I meditate twice a day every
day. I was meditating outside underneath a

626
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:50.400
tree in a meadow where they often
come and go. And yes, I

627
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:55.159
believe that there's a portal here or
weird and energetic vortex. Um, definitely,

628
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.920
we have a native American connection here. We have everything all of the

629
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:05.480
above check check check for like Skinwalker
ranch conditions. And so I was meditating

630
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:12.119
and I heard them say, I
heard telepathically in my brain, if you

631
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.320
want to see us, we'll be
out tonight. And I thought, huh,

632
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.519
okay. And I'm always the disorganized
person. I don't ever have my

633
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.400
camera, but I had my cell
phone on. I was ready. I'm

634
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.000
like, okay, well we'll see
if that was true, if it's just

635
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.840
my mind, you know. And
that night, you know, every night,

636
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.320
at ten o'clock, they'd been running
by the house and hitting the side

637
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.199
of the house. And I mean, it's loud, you can hear the

638
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:46.079
footsteps. It's it's terrifying. And
so they ran by hit the house.

639
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:51.320
But then I heard someone coughing down
below my window. I had my windows

640
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.320
open, I was upstairs. I
look across the meadow and they were trying

641
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.079
to get my attention and I was
like, I don't believe this. I

642
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.440
don't believe it until I see you. And so I stood up and looked,

643
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.880
and there they were. There was
a group of about seventeen, about

644
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.239
exactly seventeen, I counted. I
was so freaked out. I'm like,

645
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.760
what, we have motion sensor lights
from the house, and they couldn't quite

646
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:21.679
reach They almost reached right on the
edges of it. But what they were

647
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.760
doing was amazing. I held up, I picked up my phone camera.

648
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.599
I'm looking through the camera and I
waved because they were looking right at me.

649
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.280
I could see red eyes looking right
at me across the meadow. So

650
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:39.360
they're about what maybe two hundred yards
one hundred yards away, not that far

651
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.559
but far enough, you know,
And I could see them clearly, and

652
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.639
they were I could physically see them, but they sort of looked semi transparent

653
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.760
around their tasks, around their ankles, the lower legs were semi transparent.

654
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:59.519
So they were walking, and they
were walking in a ceremony. They were

655
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.480
following each other in a circle.
And you know what it reminded me of

656
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.880
is pow wows. How you know
the Native Americans. I go to a

657
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.800
lot of pow wows, that they
go around in a certain circle, and

658
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.559
I just started wondering, like,
I wonder, what is this. Well,

659
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.960
then I started hearing native drumming,
was like boom boom boom boom boom

660
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.199
boom, and really loud. But
it was not native drumming. How do

661
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:28.320
I know? I just know it
wasn't. It was like a mechanical sound

662
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.719
coming from the earth. And then
so I'm watching and I'm filming in my

663
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.039
camera right I'm like, oh my
god, oh my god, I'm gonna

664
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:42.840
put this video out. And a
minute I had that thought. The leader

665
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.280
who seemed to be the largest had
to be, you know, fifteen feet

666
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.440
tall. I don't know, vally
tall, because way across the field,

667
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.559
really really tall, taller than one
of my tallest trees, looks at me

668
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:59.400
and my camera flew out of my
hand, flew against the window, dropped

669
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.719
it. I'm like, oh,
oh, okay, I guess not.

670
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.760
And I just kept watching. I
could still see but everything. The power

671
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.920
went out a second later, like
ooh, all the power went out,

672
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.400
and I went, well, I
guess they don't want to be filmed.

673
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:20.760
And but I went to look.
I didn't have it, but I witnessed

674
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.239
it. I saw that, and
then ever, you know, I have

675
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.519
many, many, many more experiences
ever after, but that's the first time

676
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:31.880
I physically saw them on the property
doing this ceremony. Long story short,

677
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.760
I watched on one of the shows. You know, I'm obsessed with all

678
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.679
those different documentaries on History Channel,
etc. Well, there was something about

679
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.280
Washington State in the Tri Cities,
which is only a hundred miles from here.

680
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.559
They've got a research lab on portals, and they said a feature of

681
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:57.159
a portal when it opens, is
that sound that something sound? It sumps,

682
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:04.159
and it does sound like native drumming. So that's scientifically proven. They're

683
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:08.119
doing experiments at this lab in the
Tri Cities on opening and closing portals.

684
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:13.440
So I never knew that. I
thought, well, okay, that's interesting.

685
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.519
Well, while you're Ron, don't
don't don't hang up yet. I

686
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.519
want to know if Alan or Ron, do you have some questions. I

687
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.360
mean, this is what I would
consider a pretty good witness. Do you

688
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.159
have any questions for Well, it
sounds like a lot of stories we've heard.

689
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.320
I mean, you have some details
in there that are new, but

690
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.320
a lot of the there's a lot
of similarities to your story and other people

691
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.679
that we've talked to and some of
our own encounters as well. Um,

692
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.159
they always seem to be um just
out of reach, you know, either

693
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:52.039
visually or or through the use of
technology to really view them in a clear

694
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.480
manner. They know what they're doing, that's for sure. Yeah. Yes,

695
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:01.639
Like I said that, Adam's areas
probably the most paranormal rich spot in

696
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.440
the Oregon Washington area. Um it
is. There's a guy who we worked

697
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.280
with. His name is Tom Powell. Do you know him? Maybe now?

698
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.239
Very well, that Tom Powell,
I think, yeah, yeah,

699
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.880
okay, yeah, some way we
could put you in touch with him.

700
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:27.000
He's worked that area quite a bit. Um. We also got from some

701
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:34.960
interesting stones from another sensitive that work
put out incredible electromagnetic activity that led us

702
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.480
all up from that area. So
there's a lot going on there, all

703
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:42.559
right. I have a couple of
questions for you, Marty, and so

704
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.480
how close have you ever gotten to
the and and you said that they form

705
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.599
different groups, right, but how
close have you ever gotten to one?

706
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.119
How how far away was the closest
one? Okay, this is this is

707
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:02.280
one of one of the first experiences
I had here. I was standing out

708
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:09.440
at four am in are in that
same field. And I hear all around

709
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.920
me, just like what the guys
were saying. You know, I'm not

710
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.039
seeing anything, but I'm feeling them. You know, the thumping footsteps are

711
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:22.360
coming. It's like elephants thundering all
around me. I had three dogs on

712
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:24.920
a leash. I three dogs on
a leash out to pee at four am,

713
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:30.840
and they wrap around my legs.
And it was probably they surrounded me

714
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.400
in a group, and they were
what they were. I could feel them.

715
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.400
I could. I was paralyzed.
I couldn't move, And that is

716
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:45.880
also a feature I've learned. It's
I was literally paralyzed. But I was

717
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.280
being spun around while my feet were
on the ground, I kid you not.

718
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.239
So they were surrounding me. And
how I knew they were surrounding me

719
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:58.440
was I could steal their breath,
like oh, I could hear that.

720
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.840
And and they were going they were
saying hoo hoo, whoo, hoo woo.

721
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.280
They were doing fake awl calls to
each other, and it was I

722
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.159
was in the middle of their circle. They were circling me. They were

723
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:16.239
messing with me, and I was
terrified and I went I finally found my

724
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.079
voice and I said, hey,
if you're trying to scare me, it's

725
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:25.320
working. I'm really scared. And
it's instantly stopped. Instantly, like the

726
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:30.000
minute I said something, they went
oh, and they just took off down

727
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.199
the hill, calling to each other. Let me let me ask you something.

728
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.280
When you say you felt them,
what can you describe that? What

729
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.199
did I feel like? Um?
Hot? Uh, you know, my

730
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:50.960
chest, my whole chest was um, my heart was pounding, you know,

731
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:54.400
like you're really out of breath.
Yeah, and um, it was

732
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:00.599
just frozen, I thought, with
fear. And I've learned that's a sonar

733
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:07.480
thing, um, like an infrasound. It's called infrasound and tiger tiger's habit.

734
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:14.159
Elephants have it. Um it's not
very heavy then, yes, very

735
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.440
heavy and excellent move And my dogs
couldn't move. I had one dog that

736
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.320
ran away early on, but the
other two were frozen and wrapped around my

737
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.480
legs. And so that we're all
just standing there like, what is happening?

738
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.519
How did you actually go ahead,
ron, go ahead? Run?

739
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.760
Have you had any did you have
any experiences as a younger person before this

740
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:42.039
that are paranormal in nature? Me? Yeah, experiences, Oh yes,

741
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:49.199
yeah, open to it. Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm wide open

742
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:54.000
um and and and so, well
that's why it's then that's why too.

743
01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:01.239
Well yeah, and it's still scary. What I called the shaff three times

744
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.800
this last summer because of them jumping
on my roof. They jumped on my

745
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.000
roof and then I asked, I
thought, well, shoot, I wonder

746
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.400
if because they talk to me when
I meditated, I asked telepathically, why

747
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.159
are you doing this? Are you
just messing with me? Because I was

748
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:24.159
really scared, and they said,
oh, it's just our way. They

749
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:28.079
liked me. Okay, I start. I feed them now we have a

750
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.599
relationship. I'm not even kidding.
I leave food for them. I asked

751
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:35.480
them what they wanted. I have
a hidden place that I leave it.

752
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:42.239
They've been interacting with me now.
The closest I've gotten is maybe ten or

753
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.599
fifteen feet away now. But they
will show themselves. But they women do

754
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.800
they disappear. They show themselves physically
full on, and then they go up

755
01:01:52.159 --> 01:02:00.480
into thin air. It's it's very
trippy. And what about orbs. Oh

756
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:07.719
yeah, there are trees around here
at nights um usually it's like once a

757
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.840
month, And that's what led me
to start believing. Are they just coming

758
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.480
here they have a new crew that
comes in for training. I mean,

759
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:20.440
I have other people. I know
it sounds silly, but I have other

760
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.039
witnesses in the family. It's not
just me. There's at least four of

761
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:29.840
us that have witnessed all of these
things. Yeah, yeah, it's not

762
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:36.840
just wacky Marty and that we should
go out. Yeah, definitely. It

763
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.280
sounds up our alley for sure.
When the sheriffs were here. When the

764
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:45.599
sheriff deputies were I had them out
three times last year because I could swear

765
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.320
it was people and there should be
no people on my property. Like I

766
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.239
said, we're very remote. We're
out in the middle of nowhere, thirty

767
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.039
acres our own mountain. You have
to come up a mile driveway to get

768
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.559
up here. So you hear people
talk, do you hear chattering? It

769
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.639
sounded like a bunch of Chinese people. That's what I thought. I thought,

770
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.639
it's this Chinese? Is it Japanese? And then I look. I

771
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:13.280
would go look out the window.
Of course there's nothing there, but my

772
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:19.320
lights were going off all night long, and and the sheriff when they came,

773
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.800
I said, you're going to think
I'm really nuts. But you know,

774
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:23.519
this is what I believe is happening. And they're like, no,

775
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:29.400
that's not nuts. All of us
have had our experiences here. It's just

776
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:35.199
it's normal. It's just people don't
talk about it. Yeah, now why

777
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.679
would why would? It sounds like
a semi remote area. Maybe I'm wrong,

778
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:44.199
but a lot of times people will
spot, you know, big foot

779
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:49.519
in an area where it's very remote. And what would be if if Like

780
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.679
I'm just trying to figure out if
these things are visiting, do they not

781
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.920
want humanry interaction or do they I
mean, do they want to? I'm

782
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.039
why are they here? No?
Okay, Well, if you want to

783
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:10.000
get into all that I've started.
I've been because I'm a meditator, because

784
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:13.440
I'm a spiritual person, because I'm
might open to all of this. I

785
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:19.920
started talking with attempting to talk with
them telepathically. It doesn't seem like it's

786
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:27.440
super successful. Like I've had two
experiences where they responded back, but it's

787
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.679
never been in the moment it's been. I will pose a question in my

788
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.000
meditation, I'll say I ask just
that question. So what's the deal?

789
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.800
You know you want to play around
here? You want to run by the

790
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.119
house. You want to make noise, you want to, you know,

791
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.719
mess with me, but you don't
really want to hang out or talk or

792
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.760
get to know me. Or I
just what's the deal? What is that?

793
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:54.280
And they said, and why can't
I take your picture? And they

794
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:59.320
said, because it's not what we're
here about. We've lived here for billions

795
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:04.039
of years. We this is our
planet as well as yours, and and

796
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:09.679
and and they come and go how
they how they need to for their mission

797
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.559
quote unquote, I don't know what
is their mission. I don't know.

798
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.480
But the orbs. So it's blue
orbs, um, big blue orbs.

799
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:24.360
You've seen them once a month here
and it will coincide often with a full

800
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:29.280
moon. So um, you know, I could see why people get all

801
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.320
freaked out and spooky about it.
I mean, I still do. It's

802
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:36.440
terrifying, but it's still cool.
It's cool. It's really interesting to me.

803
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:43.400
But it is scary. Have you
ever you said that you've you've were

804
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:47.400
horrified? Um? And but do
you are you more or less at peace

805
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:53.880
now with uh? With these?
And what type of foods do they like?

806
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.800
By the way, I've just been
leaving them, I asked. I

807
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:02.239
asked because I contact acted that there's
a guy who's written some books about this

808
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:10.199
Kiwani lepsaritis. And I contacted him
and said, okay, here's what's happening

809
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:13.760
to me. It's very similar to
what I've read in some of your books.

810
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.199
And he said, oh, give
them organic almonds in a jar.

811
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:23.559
I'm like, okay, what No, I don't even know where to find

812
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.239
that. So I was like,
I don't think they would like that,

813
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.000
and so I thought, oh,
well, I'll just ask, and so

814
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.159
in my meditation, I just said, hey, I'm going to leave you.

815
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.280
I was thinking apples, oranges,
maybe some peaches. Would you like

816
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.559
those? Yes? Yes to all
of those. And it took them a

817
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:45.239
while. I knew they heard me. I can't tell you how I knew.

818
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.960
I just knew. And then later
that night, I was literally up

819
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.239
at three am. I was going
to the bathroom, and all of a

820
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.199
sudden, in my head I hear, hello, honored friend. Yes on

821
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.039
the apples and peaches. I'm like, I mean, I got jumped out

822
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.079
of my skin. I was taking
a pee. I'm like, oh my

823
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:10.079
god, okay, okay, apples
and peaches duly noted. So that's when

824
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.480
I leave them. I would leave
them, like every Friday I go to

825
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.599
the store and I would bring it
back a big bang for them and hide

826
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.800
it in the hiding place. And
that was really cool because to me,

827
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.639
I'm still testing. I'm like,
because I don't see them often, but

828
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.760
you can feel them, hear them. They walk with me up and down

829
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.360
my mountain. I had to clear
my road of rocks because it's you know,

830
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.719
with the rocks getting roaded over time, it's just a dirt road and

831
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:39.239
so the rocks start coming through.
So I'm picking out the big ones so

832
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:43.480
people don't pop a tire. Well. They would walk with me, like

833
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.480
maybe fifteen feet away, but I
could feel them, hear them smell,

834
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:53.559
yes, smell, and they would
they would throw rocks back. They thought

835
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.719
it was a game. I was
throwing rocks over to the side, like

836
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.719
get this out of here, I
don't want that one there, and another

837
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.000
rock would come back. I'm like, from this in air, in my

838
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:05.039
point of view, I'm like,
but I can hear them crackling along the

839
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:12.360
sticks with me. So so Marty, I'm putting out this post because a

840
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.600
lot of people feel this way.
This is maybe a little harsh to hear,

841
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.199
but you know. I'm sorry.
She's a waste of time, all

842
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:26.640
this frequency and not a bit of
evidence. So what do you I mean,

843
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:33.520
it is frustrating because everyone wants evidence. It's frustrating for everyone. And

844
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:40.199
when you're saying you you decided you
have just given up on trying to film

845
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:45.119
or take a picture, you've just
totally given up on that. Me personally,

846
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.520
yes, because I'm committed to it. I'm a person in my word.

847
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:51.640
And I told them, okay,
if I promise not to take your

848
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.840
picture, well I'm going to put
cameras up here because this is a game

849
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:02.560
trail. I don't like not knowing
what animals are surrounding my cabin but not

850
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.079
intending to take their picture. No, I promised them. They said,

851
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:11.640
no, no pictures. So all
right, it's okay to me. If

852
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:15.000
people want to think I'm wacky,
I don't care. I don't whatever.

853
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:19.279
It's interesting to me. It's it's
interesting to me because I didn't believe in

854
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.840
most of this. I thought,
oh, yeah, okay, sure,

855
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:27.000
sure that happened. But now when
I you know, when I called the

856
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.079
sheriff out here, three different deputies
said to me, don't worry about it.

857
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.239
It happens all the time out here. We understand, we've all had

858
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:41.520
our experiences. So that's good enough
for me. And I am going to

859
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.680
have a crew come out here and
see if they can get evidence. But

860
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:53.319
I bet they won't. They won't
because because I have neighbor. I have

861
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:58.079
a neighbor about a mile up who
comes once a year. And he came

862
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.960
and I told him, Hey,
just FYI, there's a whole large group

863
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:05.359
like at least twenty that come and
go from the mountain here, and so

864
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.960
just in case you hear him tonight. He's like, why would you tell

865
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.439
me that you're just trying to break
me out. I'm like, no,

866
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.119
no, I was just trying to
give you a heads up if you're camping

867
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:19.439
tonight. And they didn't hear or
see anything. And then the next morning,

868
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:24.119
after those guys were gone, they
were at my door. They throw

869
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:29.279
pine cones at my door, and
like, what was that? What was

870
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:34.319
going on? Why were they here? I'm like, so I am going

871
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:36.720
to have a crew come out here. A long story long. I've got

872
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:42.039
some friends that are paranormal investigators,
and I told them, I say,

873
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.560
you guys want to come in camp
and use all your equipment and take pictures

874
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.880
and whatnot. That's fine because it's
not me. I see. Well,

875
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:53.279
they may still know you have a
connection to it. But anyway, these

876
01:10:53.359 --> 01:11:01.159
gentlemen above, these gentlemen here will
probably also be interested in Yeah, well

877
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.279
you know, I just want to
add one thing to what you said there.

878
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.039
Uh, as far as getting evidence
and things, you know, I've

879
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:13.479
found and I believe now that these
experiences are are for individuals. They're they're

880
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.600
not They're not something you can gather
evidence. If you go out trying to

881
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:19.640
gather evidence, you're you're going to
have a hard time. And a lot

882
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:26.960
of these investigators they need to sort
of step away from that mindset if they

883
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.880
want to have their own experiences.
If you get away from trying to prove

884
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:32.880
it and just accept that it's real, and then I'm open to having an

885
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:36.880
interaction that it starts to happen if
you, if you let it. But

886
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.279
going out there with the intent of
I'm going to share this with the world,

887
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:43.800
it's that's not what it's for.
It's for you, it's not for

888
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:46.720
the world. True. Yeah,
I agree, I agree. I feel

889
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.920
strongly about that now too, I
really do. I I hear what you're

890
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:58.119
saying sacred. It feels sacred to
me. Yeah, it's a special thing

891
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:00.520
and it's okay to feel that way
about it and to treat it like that.

892
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.039
You know, I've we've met people
that have told us about these kinds

893
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.199
of encounters on their property or that
they've had, and we're like, hey,

894
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.640
we're doing a documentary, can we
come, you know, check it

895
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:12.960
out? And they're like, nope, we don't have anything going on.

896
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.399
You know, all of a sudden, they clam up and they don't want

897
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:17.920
anything to do with it. Because
it does if you if you're receiving that

898
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:24.319
message correctly, it should be personal. Marty, I got a question for

899
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.279
you. What about footprints? Someone
just said, put flower everywhere and they'll

900
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:32.359
be footprints. Don't do Don't they
leave impressions in the ground. No,

901
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:36.960
I've never seen a footprint here ever. You know what I have seen.

902
01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:42.399
I was sitting I have a window
where you know, I'm I work from

903
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:49.960
home. I look out to Mount
Adams beautiful view, and I saw ahead,

904
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:56.119
I mean, I went what I
saw a big foot ahead go floating

905
01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:00.119
by the window. My window is
fifteen feet off the ground. So I

906
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.279
was like, what I mean It
made me laugh really hard because they had

907
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:09.119
been throwing pine cones at the door
and I wouldn't come out because I was

908
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.920
busy. I was working, and
so they kept moving around the house and

909
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.960
finally they floated right by like oh, there she is. They flowed by

910
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.279
the window, and I went,
Okay, I have to go out there

911
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:25.840
because this one is very wants to
engage. And I took my dog on

912
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.760
a leash and he went out there
and my dog wouldn't go. The dogs

913
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:33.359
like nope. Curt turned back around
and ran in the house because they smell

914
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:39.079
before I did. And can you
speaking of smell, what is the type?

915
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:44.239
Can you describe what the odor smells
like? Yeah, it's very skunky.

916
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:53.840
Yeah, it almost smells like like
a combination of pot and a yeah,

917
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.840
and a little bit of and pete. Yeah. Yeah, but not

918
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:03.079
as strong as because skunks last.
We do have skunks here, and you

919
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.199
know what that smells like. Then
they it's really hard to get out and

920
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:14.439
pass and smell. It just kind
of comes and goes. Yes, exactly.

921
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.600
Well, I think the thing that's
very interesting about this is you you

922
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:25.720
claim that you actually see them like
disappear in front of you. Yes,

923
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.000
and that's one day. That's sort
of how I thought. I started noticing.

924
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.760
I had the weird experience with the
beings surrounding me that were invisible,

925
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:38.760
and I thought, and all that
was odd, but I don't really know

926
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:42.399
what was that. I felt it
was fast watched, but how would I

927
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.279
know, I don't know. And
so right after that, I had the

928
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:50.800
experience of looking out the window at
a tree and you know, you just

929
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:54.560
kind of stand here and look out
at the view and like, oh my

930
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:58.960
god, that tree is just swaying
back and forth wildly as if someone's climbing

931
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.520
it. And it's a giant pine
tree, I mean, really tall,

932
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:06.600
and I thought, okay, how
can that be happening. There's nothing,

933
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:12.279
I'm not seeing anything else, just
this tree as if someone's climbing it,

934
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:16.159
and it's wildly bending to and fro, and all of a sudden, the

935
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:20.199
tree goes. It got bent way
over to one side like someone's going to

936
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:26.439
sling shot off it, and it
went and it slingshotted, and the guy

937
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:31.920
it was a sasquatch. It looked
like a young one, black fur and

938
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.880
looked like, you know, a
young, young, younger guy. He

939
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.079
went flying through the air and as
he flew through the air to the next

940
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:43.840
tree over. He was flying to
a tree like, I don't know,

941
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:48.720
twenty feet away, and he disappeared
midair, but you could see the other

942
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:53.239
tree as he landed on it.
So I saw him just for a flash

943
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:57.720
in the air and then lands on
the other tree and he's disappeared, but

944
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:01.239
the tree is going whooooo. So
like someone just landed on me. You

945
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:06.560
do realize that this sounds way out
there, you but but I mean I

946
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:12.880
believe that you. Yeah, I
believe that you believe you saw that.

947
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:19.800
I totally understandable. If I was
listening to someone do this too, I'd

948
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:25.720
be like, okay, all right. Yeah. To me, we're all

949
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:30.880
in our own journey. And and
so I'm thrilled about this because to me,

950
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:35.239
it this is probably one of the
coolest things that's ever happened to me

951
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:39.039
in my whole life, Like,
are you kidding me? I mean,

952
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.720
I just never thought I would physically
with my own eyes and have a relationship

953
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.800
and communicate, Are you kidding me? I mean, this is mind blowing

954
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:51.279
to me, and I do I
get choked up when I talk about it.

955
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:56.279
It's just it's very special. It's
very cool, and um, I

956
01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:00.359
don't care. I don't care what
anyone else thinks because I just know what

957
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.159
I know, and it's my whole
family too. It was only me and

958
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:09.000
no other family members, then I'd
start doubting my insanity. So there's a

959
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:12.800
question up there for you. Have
you, our other guests or family members

960
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:20.840
ever considered it something else besides bigfoot
or a sasquat? I mean, is

961
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:24.600
that the only thing you think it? I mean, doesn't appear to be

962
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:28.039
anything else, but what people are
claiming they're seeing, right, Okay,

963
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:34.439
well I just saw someone I saw
DMT up there. No never done DMT,

964
01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:40.560
never done. Iowasta, I've never
done it, but one might experience

965
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.640
on your boards. I just wasn't
looking at your board until now. Yeah,

966
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:51.399
well, don't get distracted. Yeah, tons of paranormal experiences here to

967
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:57.039
be had, just like what the
guys were talking about m portal. I'm

968
01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:00.760
sure that's why I've had a time
slip experiences where I went to the grocery

969
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:04.479
store, came home, I didn't
have a driveway to go up, and

970
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.239
I was just panicked, going,
what in the hell it doesn't exist?

971
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:13.840
And where I was drive I drove
down the freeway ten minutes past my driveway

972
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:18.359
where it should have been. There's
nothing here. There was no not a

973
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:23.800
house, nothing, And this is
you know, like every mile or so,

974
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:27.039
there's a house here. And so
finally I'm like, well, I

975
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.960
know where this one neighbor is.
He's about, you know, a couple

976
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.199
of miles down the road for me. He was there, and so I

977
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:38.319
used his driveway as a turnaround.
I came back. I'm like, man,

978
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.319
if my driveway is not here on
this this go around, I don't

979
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.399
know where am I am. I
just in no, no man's land,

980
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.239
and there it was. It was
there. I asked. I asked about

981
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:56.960
that in meditation, and I was
told there was a meeting. We were

982
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.680
having a meeting, so they closed
off. You know, you don't have

983
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.720
a where, you don't have a
property. No one's allowed up here.

984
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:06.920
It's like the place disappeared. I
thought, okay, like a committee.

985
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:15.239
And listen. People have seen physically
seen little shadow people here like a foot

986
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:20.720
high there. We call them menahonies. And there are these small black shadow

987
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:28.039
people and you can physically seen those
as myself here. I don't know what

988
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:33.000
are they. They're elementals. I
believe. So is there something you see

989
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.800
the out of the corner of your
eye, or you can look right at

990
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:41.880
it? No, no, look
tryed at it. It ran right by

991
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.560
me. I went, I chased
it. It ran upstairs and I chased

992
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:50.159
it and it flew out the window. Have seen one running out of my

993
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:54.399
car engine and I thought, okay, is that a squirrel? No?

994
01:19:55.439 --> 01:20:00.079
No, was a person with legs
and arms? Um that I have a

995
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.479
picture of a little thing with red
eyes. My friend is an ORB photographer.

996
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:09.159
She comes here because she loves it, and we get all kinds of

997
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:15.520
crazy ORB photos here, and we
have a picture of one of those little

998
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:19.039
black shadow people. I mean,
you know, well, I'm not I'm

999
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:23.960
not going to be any big hurry
to move out by you. There's too

1000
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.760
much going on. Won't come Mom, won't come here anymore. She's too

1001
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.199
scared of it. Yeah, yeah, I would be Uh yeah, I

1002
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:35.359
maybe want to see some of those
pictures. Well, you know, Maritie,

1003
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.680
I want to tell you, it's
been a real, real pleasure having

1004
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:42.079
you. Boy. You've been on
for I think maybe half an hour or

1005
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:46.880
something, and it's it's been great. It's been really really interesting to hear

1006
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:56.880
uh you know, directly from someone
who's experiencing some really weird stuff. Yeah,

1007
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.479
yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah yeah, I'm kind of

1008
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:06.840
glad our paths crossed in a strange
type of way kismet, But yes,

1009
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:12.760
thank you very much. Okay,
thanks a lot. All right, by

1010
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:16.880
now, so I'm going to be
opening up the lines to other callers here

1011
01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:20.840
and that number is going to be
up on the board right here. It's

1012
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:25.359
eight five five four seven two five
four eight three. The lines are open

1013
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:31.640
and Bill is standing by. Um, So that that was you probably weren't

1014
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:35.720
expecting that tonight to have some of
calling like that. You never know,

1015
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.319
you never know. When we start
talking about this, all kinds of things

1016
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:44.359
happen. So yeah, that was
that was great, really interesting for sure.

1017
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.279
Yeah. Have you ever heard most
of what she's talking about? I

1018
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:53.720
mean, yeah about flinging flinging,
the young one in the tree. Yeah

1019
01:21:53.960 --> 01:22:00.359
yeah, yeah, A lot of
times people pretty long winded stories I heard

1020
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:02.479
to tell, whether you know the
source of them, but yeah, we've

1021
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:06.439
heard them. People go on and
on before. But there's stories of encounter

1022
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:12.439
with particularly a big foot. Yeah, not totally uncommon. Yeah, and

1023
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.119
what about um, you know,
you hear other places in the world they

1024
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:23.479
have different names YETI um, I
forget all the different names. But they're

1025
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.560
in almost every continent, right,
Yeah, they become sort of local legends

1026
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.720
in those areas, and and you
know, the elder folks in those places

1027
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:36.239
have names for these things. It's
it's part of culture now, these kinds

1028
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:41.199
of creatures. It's a sort of
it's an archetype, you know, the

1029
01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:45.960
wild wise man, right or wise
woman is it is a pretty pretty well

1030
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:53.880
known archetype in the young sense for
sure, So it's not surprising that something

1031
01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:57.199
it's going to show up to you
will show up as something that you might

1032
01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:04.399
be able to interpret as the wise
wild. Now you mentioned at the ranch

1033
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:10.079
or wherever the land is that you
go to these little animals. Is there

1034
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:19.840
is there other paranormal stuff happening there
as well. I don't know that we've

1035
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:24.079
gotten to the bottom of all of
that. I don't know that we've really

1036
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:29.319
honed in on the paranormal side.
Most of it has been dealing with trying

1037
01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:32.399
to make contact and dealing with sort
of the gifting in the in the mutilation

1038
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:39.119
side of it. So um,
I don't mean anything. The park area

1039
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:45.600
is well known for UFO, true
and tons of Bigfoot reports. It's not

1040
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:47.680
in our land, but in the
general area. I mean, did you

1041
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:51.439
say, excuse me, did you
say Estes Park? Yeah? Oh,

1042
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.800
I know right. I've been there
many many times. I used to live

1043
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.479
there. I used to love that
area so early, maybe three or four

1044
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:04.680
miles Stanley Hotel, the land we're
on inst His Park, so you know,

1045
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:08.600
yeah, I know the hotel now
and everything. I know each where

1046
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:12.039
you mean, yea pasta, every
old building in Ste's Park. It's got

1047
01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:16.319
ghosts and haunted. Yeah, it's
really a major paranormal hotspot. And if

1048
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:20.479
you look into the literature, there's
a lot of reports of UFOs people seeing

1049
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:25.039
him in that area. So I
mean, we're just forty acres in the

1050
01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:29.840
mountains, so wow. And it's
isolated and we don't have anybody else running

1051
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.800
around on it. So yeah,
that's many reports from our land because they're

1052
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.399
probably the only ones there. Beautiful, beautiful area. Love it out there.

1053
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:40.880
We have Ken and he's calling from
your states in Colorado. Ken,

1054
01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:45.399
you're live on the air. Welcome
to the show. Can you're on,

1055
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:56.199
Hey guys from Park Carl Hello guys, Yeah, yeah, we're listening.

1056
01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.880
Yeah, Hi, Kenny, Hi
Kenny. How do you do a guy

1057
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:09.000
on the first one to call you? Hi? Guys? Just this excellent

1058
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:13.359
what you guys are talking about tonight
I can vouce for these two gentlemen.

1059
01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:17.239
I love them both. The Alien
Contact in iraqies will be coming out and

1060
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:25.359
we're gonna talk about the ORB experience
that I've had and with the ORB and

1061
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:29.560
the aliens and big foots and all
kinds of good stuff of this movie coming

1062
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:31.439
up, so it'd be sure to
watch that. And I just love these

1063
01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:35.640
two. They talk about the ses
Park area. I had been up in

1064
01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:41.760
that area for about fifteen years doing
investigations out of sis Park in the Rocky

1065
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:45.840
Mountains and service privley to get these
guys to come up and do some stuff

1066
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:51.359
up there and to bring it to
the audience more of the inner reactions of

1067
01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:58.159
this film coming up. It's gonna
just be another great one that these guys

1068
01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:03.520
have done. So he's been a
big helps us and he's sort of he's

1069
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:06.479
the local bigfoot guy there. Everybody
knows Kenny is the big Foot guy.

1070
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:10.680
So he's been a big part in
helping us kind of sort of get to

1071
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.000
the bottom of some of this and
uncover some more evidence. When you say

1072
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:18.439
the word alien, I've heard heard
that. What do you mean by that?

1073
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:27.359
Some form of non human intelligence?
Okay in general? Fair enough,

1074
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:32.840
Okay, Yeah, I just wondered
what that term meant you when you're using

1075
01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:36.760
that term. Yeah, I'm not
rowing it down to any particular technology or

1076
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.840
or any general any specific sorts of
a phenomenon, but something that's non human

1077
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:49.800
and it's intelligent. Because that lady
we're talking to, it certainly seems that

1078
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:57.039
she's interacting with something that's intelligent and
interactive, probably smarter than her because it

1079
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.680
seemed to be messing with her in
some way, which is they're kind of

1080
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.720
place and a lot of people have
said that before. Yeah, hey Kenny,

1081
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:08.399
have you yourself had any UFO sightings
there? And yes, this park

1082
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:15.319
area. Yeah, they talked about
the little towns around us, all the

1083
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:19.479
way from glen Haven, which is
a hop in and skip away. One

1084
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:26.840
particular sighting is documented where we've seen
one flying over the Stanley and as it

1085
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:30.479
was flying over the Stanley, it
was headed towards that little town called glen

1086
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:34.680
Haven and down in that area my
research area. I got a phone call

1087
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:41.399
not too long after that few days
and I went down and did an investigation

1088
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.800
of a mutilated goat, and I
called David Plots for Missing four one one.

1089
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:49.239
He came up and went and spent
the day and investigated that. And

1090
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:55.720
David even came out saying that he
thought it was an alien connection type abduction.

1091
01:27:56.159 --> 01:28:03.359
And yes, there's plenty of stories
around the rocky mountains of um UFOs

1092
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:10.319
BC. Oh yeah, um,
I love it out there. I'm trying

1093
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:13.960
to remember that pass that you drive
through a way above the tundra. It's

1094
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:19.640
so beautiful, like fourteen Yes,
that's Troil Ridge Road goes on over to

1095
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:25.720
Granby and uh um that's uh yeah, so you're talking about trot Ridge Road.

1096
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:30.199
Yeah, yeah, that's just just
beautiful up there. Love it.

1097
01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:35.399
Um. So are you familiar with
the stuff that was that's been going on

1098
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:42.079
at our nuclear facilities, the alien
contact experiences there? We just did a

1099
01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:45.119
short film about this guy who had
in the count Yeah, Hank, I

1100
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:49.439
just Smith Ken Ken, Thank you
very much for the call. Thanks Kenny,

1101
01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:54.720
thank you, thank you all right
by yeah, go ahead, go

1102
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:59.079
ahead run. So, So are
you familiar with the contact experiences with our

1103
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:04.800
our miss fields? Yes, I
had Robert Hastings on many years ago a

1104
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:09.960
number of times. Yeah, yeah, fascinating stuff. Yeah, I just

1105
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:14.239
did it. We just did a
short film called Nukes and Aliens and Nukes

1106
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:20.279
the Mario Woods Story, and he
describes his contact experience there twenty ten talking

1107
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:28.079
about aliens on human intelligence and nothing
with electronics. They took offline the launch

1108
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:31.199
facilities at least part of them.
And if you Warren near Cheyenne, which

1109
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:38.000
is close to Rocky Mountains in a
way, and people saw UFOs over over

1110
01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:44.319
the missile fields at that time over
Cheyenne. President Obama was informed. So

1111
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.880
it's a real experience. And the
question is, you know, are they

1112
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:53.039
are they showing like, hey,
we can control you anytime we want.

1113
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:56.119
Are they saying We're not going to
let you screw up the world by blowing

1114
01:29:56.199 --> 01:30:01.039
it up? Yeah, Hastings,
I you too. He dedicated the movie

1115
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.359
to Robert by the way, Yes, yeah, you know, I think

1116
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:11.279
it's it really makes you wonder.
I mean that that is a very fascinating

1117
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:15.760
topic to me in general. But
you know, what stand Friedman used to

1118
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.359
say is the kids have found the
matches, you know, and that's why

1119
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:26.760
they're you know, they're trying to
They've done these different interferences with warheads all

1120
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.119
the way back since the nineteen sixties. You know when they've the first eleven

1121
01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:34.199
went offline. Robert Salis has been
on this show a number of times and

1122
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:39.640
talked about that. But you're saying
the encounter in particular that you're talking about

1123
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:44.119
happened in twenty ten. Is that
what you said? And what exactly happened?

1124
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.039
Can you I'm unfamiliar with that.
Can you explain what happened with that

1125
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:54.479
one? For roughly a half hour, the control system large the ability to

1126
01:30:54.600 --> 01:31:00.840
launch the missiles if they had to, they went offline mysteriously, and UFO

1127
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:05.439
or UAPs were cited over the missile
field and over Cheyenne by multiple people at

1128
01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:10.520
the same time. You know,
not the spooky thing to happen. There

1129
01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:15.880
are earlier reports of such things before
twenty ten, but this is a well

1130
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:19.560
documented one. And of course,
as I said, there's good indication that

1131
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:25.680
Obama was informed of it. Who
was president at the time? And did

1132
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:30.319
do you know about the investigation after
any of that? I do not.

1133
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:36.840
It's all hush hush. And how
about is so everything's classified? Is that

1134
01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:42.840
what you're saying basically pretty much.
And who is the witness that spoke about

1135
01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:47.239
it with his name again, Oh, Mario Woods. He had another encounter

1136
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:54.560
in another missile field. His mentor
is Robert Hastings by the way. Uh,

1137
01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:59.840
he was a policeman assigned to you
know, an Air Force policeman assigned

1138
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:04.239
to patrolling. They're always patrolling those
missile fields all the time. Twenty four

1139
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:10.600
seven. Yeah, and so he
had a direct encounter with a craft that

1140
01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:14.920
maybe abducted him, maybe not,
but it picked up his vehicle and moved

1141
01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.960
it about at least twenty miles away, and he had no recollection how it

1142
01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:23.000
got there on the edge of a
damn. It's a pretty incredible story.

1143
01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:27.279
Ah wow. Wow. It sounds
like someone I'd want to talk to sometimes

1144
01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.560
for sure. If you want,
I can give you his email. Yeah.

1145
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:35.279
Yeah. So that's a film that's
out there, and we just had

1146
01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:40.600
ken call and talk about that film. How many films on this topic do

1147
01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:44.720
you have? Are and you have
something in post production as well? Right,

1148
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:47.800
we have a new series called The
Paranormal Highway. This is where we

1149
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:56.079
went out to five five paranormal hotspots
and did investigations and we had at least

1150
01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:02.640
these four or five really unusual paranormal
occurrences, including some of Allen's contact experiences,

1151
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:09.800
they all happen. So it seems
like whatever these and non human intelligence

1152
01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:14.439
are, they seem to be happy
with us filming and recording this stuff,

1153
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.359
because we get stuff all the time. Like I said, when we when

1154
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:23.319
that those creatures we caught on our
trail camp, they're quite interesting. They're

1155
01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:28.199
small, but when when you see
them in the trail camp, they're never

1156
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:30.920
wholly there. They're kind of waffling
in and out of existence as they move

1157
01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:35.279
around, which is kind of free
Cuba. Cool. So you're talking about

1158
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:42.199
this is three your trail camps.
Yeah, we captured five video moving coming

1159
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:46.399
out of our portal. Wow.
Wow, and all all in infra red.

1160
01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:51.000
Yeah, right, at nighttime.
It's always nice? Is it always

1161
01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:56.039
nighttime? It was always nice around
the same time. Yeah. Yeah.

1162
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.199
And how far are these? How
far are these apart the camera? Said?

1163
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.439
Did you have a lot of them
out there? We have one camera

1164
01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:09.199
on our on our mutilation site,
in our gifting site. Oh oh,

1165
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:13.359
and that's the same site where you
you found that. Any other mutilations or

1166
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:19.079
was it just that that one?
Surprisingly a year later, it appeared it

1167
01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:23.399
appeared like there were it was a
thing I had been picked clean. Right,

1168
01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:26.600
There wasn't hardly anything left. We
hadn't been up there in quite a

1169
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:30.039
while. It was actually late last
year, and when we did go back

1170
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.600
up there, there was there was
a what was left of a fresher carcass

1171
01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:36.920
there. So there was something else, but we sort of got to we

1172
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:40.680
sort of missed that one almost anyway. We caught the tail end of it,

1173
01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.159
but we put the camera up again
just in case. But we haven't

1174
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:49.439
gone back and looked at it yet. Oh wow wow. And so you

1175
01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:55.279
know, we talk a lot about
evidence, and you heard that woman talk

1176
01:34:55.359 --> 01:35:03.199
about how um the she just knows
that they don't want pictures of her,

1177
01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:10.199
of them, she doesn't want she's
not able to take pictures of them because

1178
01:35:10.279 --> 01:35:14.279
she told them she wouldn't or whatever. And her camera, according to her,

1179
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.960
you know, left her hands stuff
like that. Is this something that

1180
01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:23.239
you both have heard, you know, similar stories off. Yeah. I

1181
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:28.720
learned very early on in my bigfoot
investigating times that if if you have a

1182
01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:30.039
lot of big foot in an area
and you want to get a picture,

1183
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.800
and you put your trailcams out it's
a good way to keep them away.

1184
01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:38.000
So we always tell people if they're
scaring you put some cameras up and all

1185
01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:42.319
that stuff will stop. So they
do seem to know when things like that

1186
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.880
are happening. I don't know if
it's just to change the environment or the

1187
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:48.359
frequencies or what, but yeah,
they definitely don't want their picture taken.

1188
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:57.840
Bill says, what about uphologists and
bigfoot researchers not working together since they want

1189
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:01.600
to do separate CRYPTI from et When
we think of that, well, we

1190
01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:06.119
definitely have been seeing a shift in
that. You know, we've been going

1191
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:11.159
around and speaking at different places and
sharing our films, and we get larger

1192
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:15.880
and larger groups of people that are
interested in this connection. So I think

1193
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:18.479
it's, um, it's a it's
a way of thinking that's starting to shift,

1194
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:23.600
and we're trying to nudge it along
if we can. Yeah, and

1195
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.640
you know, I mean I heard
you. I had never heard that there

1196
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.359
was a big foot conference until I
heard you say say that earlier. A

1197
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.239
lot of big foot conferences, is
it really? Oh yeah, they're all

1198
01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:35.399
over the country. There are a
lot of UFO conferences, right, Yes,

1199
01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:43.119
So we're being invited to UFO conferences, even though we're primarily bigfooters,

1200
01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:46.560
so they're beginning to merge, and
then the Bigfoot Conference to start having us

1201
01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:50.840
O people, So it sifting.
We're trying to be that. We're trying

1202
01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:55.279
to be that olive branch to sort
of bring those conversations together because there's a

1203
01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:57.600
lot of people, you know,
that come to us and say, I

1204
01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:00.479
saw Bigfoot, but then something weird
happened, and I want to talk to

1205
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:02.119
you about that because some of the
other big foot guys don't want to hear

1206
01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:05.680
that. So, yeah, it's
what I'm very interesting. Do you hear

1207
01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:10.279
of other weird things that kind of
go along with that as well? Besides

1208
01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:15.760
UFOs? I mean, has anyone
ever said they saw a ghost and a

1209
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.760
big foot? I mean, yeah, we shouldn't be laughing, but did

1210
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:23.560
somebody? Voices and shadow people and
all those kinds of things come into play

1211
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:28.039
at some point? Certainly in these
things we call paranormal hotspot, there are

1212
01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:34.520
ghosts or every form of paranormal experiences, they're all there. Yeah, yeah,

1213
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:41.680
for sure, right, And what
about when things I mean, the

1214
01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:45.319
she mentioned this she thought she was
having like missing time. Is that is

1215
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:50.520
that ever mentioned at all when people
are talking about this phenomenon. Oh yeah,

1216
01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:55.720
it happened to Alan. We had
a dramatic case of that in Wisconsin.

1217
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.319
I can tell you about it if
you're interested. Yeah, yeah,

1218
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:05.000
yeah, go ahead. Soll um
Javitchokin. He's that big footer in the

1219
01:38:05.239 --> 01:38:11.720
in the in the in the southeastern
Wisconsin and the Kettle Moraine. And I

1220
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.720
told you there's this place that's scared
the sweet spot next to the Beast of

1221
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.840
Bray Road Road. Have you heard
of that. It's probably one of the

1222
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:27.239
best known cryptid monsters sort of yes, yes, yes, yeah yeah.

1223
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.840
So we were there and there's a
guy, a gentleman farmer who owns a

1224
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:35.039
piece of property thirty five acres right
next to Bray Road, and he's he's

1225
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:40.840
recorded stuff on his trail camp.
That's he's captured UFOs, probably pictures of

1226
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:45.319
the beast, which is kind of
a quause eye, you know, bigfoot

1227
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.920
sort of thing, but kind of
dog man dog manage. And so we

1228
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:54.079
were we were out there, we
noticed there was a spot that he wouldn't

1229
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:57.439
go into. The owner of the
property he says, everything weird is going

1230
01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:00.680
out there. So that was where
we wanted to do our investigation. And

1231
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:05.000
when night set up, we were
let's call that the north fence. We

1232
01:39:05.079 --> 01:39:10.640
were on the south side, and
we decided, okay, it's time to

1233
01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:15.359
go over to where we wanted to
do our primary investigation. So me and

1234
01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:19.680
the camera van took our vehicle and
drove around, and Alan and Jay decided

1235
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:25.800
to walk across the field to the
to what we thought would be the hot

1236
01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:30.520
spot. And as they were walking
across, first of all, Jay said,

1237
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:33.880
oh, turn your camera on,
and he did a little interview on

1238
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:40.399
camera which he said, basically,
there's fear here, there's fighting, fear

1239
01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:43.439
and flight, and he was a
kind of babbling away and it was sort

1240
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:45.880
of strange, and but that was
fine. And then he said turn the

1241
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:50.039
camera on again, and he took
a laser you know, a laser pointer.

1242
01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:56.079
You know what they are, you
know, the laser point. So

1243
01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:00.880
on the on the film that Alan
shot, he could see that we pulled

1244
01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:04.680
our truck up, we turned our
lights off, and then there was a

1245
01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:10.520
self illuminating light right at the spot
where we were going to do our investigation.

1246
01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:15.960
And Jay pulled out his laser and
hit it, you know, pointed

1247
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:20.199
at it, touched at that spot
and that's all on film. We can

1248
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:25.960
see him doing that, and then
he walked they walked to the spot and

1249
01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:30.800
that's where we captured the maybe the
image of the Vista Gray Road. But

1250
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.079
later when we got back, I
called up Jay and said, well,

1251
01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:41.800
what were you thinking when you put
your laser beam on that spot? And

1252
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:45.479
he had no recollection of walking across
the field doing any of that, doing

1253
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:51.399
the interview, and he said,
normally, you know, I have photographic

1254
01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:56.680
memory. And he told me exactly
what happened before he walked across and when

1255
01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:00.920
he arrived on the other side,
but he had no recollection of how that

1256
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.000
happened. He said, Yeah,
it's kind of strange because Lie said he

1257
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:08.600
saw us on his trailcam, the
owner of the property, and they said,

1258
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:11.359
well, I don't quite remember that. So he had no memory.

1259
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.079
So he so he wont some point
maybe he was abductive, who didn't heck

1260
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:21.319
knows, But isn't that sounds strange? Very very Bill just posted something and

1261
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:29.640
I think is do people actually try
to hunt Bigfoot, you know, to

1262
01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:32.119
kill him? Yeah, there are
people that believe that's the way to to

1263
01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:38.039
sort of bring this to the forefront, is to bring a body back that's

1264
01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.520
that's horrible. I think, yeah, that is. I mean, especially

1265
01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:46.760
if they're there possibly whatever they are
seemed very intelligent. I'm not especially I

1266
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:53.079
mean every you know, every has
really but still I just think that almost

1267
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:58.800
sounds criminal. Um here's another question. Do you do you too think that

1268
01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:02.840
the government might be covering up some
evidence of Bigfoot, just like they do

1269
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:09.800
similar to eats or UFOs. I
think it's possible. I think there's enough

1270
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:14.760
um, you know, known stories
out there to suggest that that maybe happened

1271
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.720
in some to some degree. You
know, we don't really know what happened

1272
01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:21.640
out in the skin Walker ranch either, when when the government was sort of

1273
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:26.479
toying around there. So there's there's
a lot of secrets they have on those

1274
01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:30.880
things. I think now, did
they actually say I read the book that

1275
01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.279
George nappin, I can't remember where
it's wrote on skin Walker, But did

1276
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:40.319
they actually say they saw a creature
like Bigfoot? I know they saw cryptids

1277
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:45.079
of different types of large dogs of
wolf and you know, things like that,

1278
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.239
But they did they actually see a
big Foot like creature? Do you

1279
01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:50.840
know? Yeah? I don't know
for sure, and you know, I

1280
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:56.880
don't know how some of it was
interpreted either. So yeah, huh so

1281
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:01.119
can I Yeah, the image of
the creature, one of the creatures that

1282
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:05.079
came through our portal. This is
the way to do that. Are you

1283
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:09.479
do you know how to screen share
down below at the bottom of the thing.

1284
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:14.680
You would just be on my I'd
hold up my cell phone and stick

1285
01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:15.880
it in front of the camp.
Okay, sure, we'll give it a

1286
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:20.399
try. Yeah, go ahead.
You're gonna have to do a little better

1287
01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:25.000
than that, I think. Okay, uh, you know, if you

1288
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:28.520
could, we still have you know, fifteen minutes, if you have a

1289
01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:31.199
way to email that picture to me, I will put that up for everyone

1290
01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:35.680
to see. So there with a
head and the tail. You can see

1291
01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:38.760
it, but I can't really make
it out. So if you don't mind,

1292
01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:42.279
if you can figure out a way
to email that to me, or

1293
01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:45.479
if you have that same image alan
and you're able to do that quickly,

1294
01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:48.520
you feel free to eat send an
email and I'll pull put that up for

1295
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:53.920
everyone. Yeah. I do have
it somewhere, but not handy. Yeah.

1296
01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:57.239
Okay, uh, well, I'll
tell you what, why don't you

1297
01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:59.840
do this? Yeah, you try. If you can't do it, then

1298
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:01.920
try to get it to me.
And I'll put it in the in the

1299
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:06.960
show notes for everyone. And what
do you mean later? Oh? No,

1300
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:11.640
yeah, if you can just send
me an email right now. If

1301
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:15.359
you can't, then um, then
I will do. I will put it

1302
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:21.439
in the show notes for everyone to
see. I will try. What's what

1303
01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:30.439
I showed earlier the Patterson Uh gimmel. I think it's called yeah, And

1304
01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:33.039
what are your you know, I
mentioned to you what I thought about it

1305
01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:39.199
because of you know what I've heard
about. I saw a guy process here

1306
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:44.960
it is playing again. It's stabilized
and colorized, but I saw, you

1307
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:50.560
know, someone take it frame by
frame and the and then show side by

1308
01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:57.000
side the human anatomy and how it
just didn't work. Okay, I think

1309
01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.720
I got that email, so I
will. I will get that up on

1310
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:04.079
the screen. I see it.
It's not it's not totally clear, but

1311
01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:06.880
I see I see something. But
I'll get that up on the screen.

1312
01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:11.800
Thank you. But so, what
do you think about that film in particular?

1313
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:14.439
Either one? Do you want to
talk? So I've not sat down

1314
01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:17.239
and analyzed the film, but that
was one of the pieces of evidence that

1315
01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:20.840
you know, interested me in this
subject to begin with, and since then

1316
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:25.079
I've heard a lot of people talk
about it, and I've I've met Bob

1317
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:29.720
Gimlin before and and he's one of
the most you know, stand up guys

1318
01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:32.279
I've met. So I have no
reasons to doubt it, and and I

1319
01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:36.760
sort of I sort of hold that
video in high regard. Yeah, yeah,

1320
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:41.399
it's it's one that has kind of
stood up to scrutiny. As far

1321
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.600
as I know, no one's ever
been able to debunk it. Yeah,

1322
01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:47.159
yeah, so far. This is
the image that they're talking about. Now,

1323
01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:53.439
I can't really I'm trying to make
exactly what I'm seeing, but I

1324
01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:59.520
see something And what what do you
think you're seeing there? In this image?

1325
01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:04.119
So there's a head on the left
hand side, and then there's a

1326
01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:09.159
neck and then, like I said, the creature. This is a screen

1327
01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:14.079
graph from one particular frame of the
trail cam right, but you're actually seeing

1328
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.560
Are you actually seeing this thing move
in? Then? Yeah, it moves

1329
01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:23.039
off to the left side of the
and off the out of frame. Yeah,

1330
01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:27.439
is it is? It doesn't have
a gait like a typical animal.

1331
01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:33.279
It's hard to say because it's never
quite all there. You can see that

1332
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:38.520
it's missing like the like it's not
all there like it's like you might say,

1333
01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:43.000
it's interesting happening happened one world,
happened another and that's the way they

1334
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:47.199
were in general, just kind of
swimming through the frame that way, kind

1335
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:51.920
of waffling in and out of existence
by moving in the frame itself as well.

1336
01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:57.640
But it looks like a pig sheet
kind of animal. But it's small.

1337
01:46:57.760 --> 01:47:02.399
It's about the size of a large
healthcat maybe. Okay, So for

1338
01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:05.159
those of you who are listening to
the audio podcast that will be in the

1339
01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:10.479
show notes, you just click that
and the below the text on any app

1340
01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:14.039
you're listening to the show that'll be
there. I'll put that in there tonight.

1341
01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:18.560
So but you are you actually releasing
this in a film and one of

1342
01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:23.239
your upcoming videos that are coming out, Yeah, yelling in contact in the

1343
01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:27.119
Rockies. We actually show how we
resolved and you can see the dome shape

1344
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:32.039
from which it emerged in the mutilated
year that showed up at the site you

1345
01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:39.239
know that triggered it all and Ellen
running around measuring the electromagnetic distortions and all

1346
01:47:39.279 --> 01:47:42.560
that. It's all there. Now. The thing you were talking about,

1347
01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.479
we had a bunch of questions.
You called it a ram I don't know

1348
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.680
what you call ram not. It
sounds like it's a rampore pod. Someone

1349
01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:54.600
wanted to know if you could describe
that exactly what it was in the shape

1350
01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:59.039
of it and all that stuff.
Yeah, it's around piece of paranormal equipment,

1351
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.640
fairly fairly small. Um. It's
made out of some like round PVC

1352
01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:09.840
pipe, UM. And then it's
got it's got some very large LEDs around

1353
01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:14.760
the top. And uh, it's
a little chrome antenna that sticks up and

1354
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.600
that antenna emits the EMF field.
And when you interact with that EMF field.

1355
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:24.279
UM, depending on how close you
get through the antenna, the lights,

1356
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:27.920
the frequency of the lights, Um, they speed up and then they

1357
01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:32.239
change colors and in the audible tone
gets higher the more intense that interaction is.

1358
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.520
So we use that device in areas
that are that that you just sort

1359
01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:42.279
of set it out there in in
open space, and um, it starts

1360
01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:48.920
to take measurements and in the lights
start to move. And and how often

1361
01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:54.640
does something happen with it? Not
very often a lot of times we don't

1362
01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:57.960
have anything happening. So UM,
when it starts going off, we usually

1363
01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:03.199
pay attention to It's it's not not
that sensitive advice. Oh interesting, Well,

1364
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:08.800
so where can someone find like they
want to? Do you have a

1365
01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.880
website or something? Where can they
find you and find what you're up to?

1366
01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:17.199
Um, well, we're working on
all that stuff right now. I

1367
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:23.079
guess some YouTube channel. Yeah,
you can look me up on Facebook.

1368
01:49:23.079 --> 01:49:26.840
I have a public profile page there. Um. I just launched the National

1369
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:31.000
Paranormal Network on YouTube, so you
can search for National Paranormal Network. I'm

1370
01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:34.640
starting to release some films there and
we have a lot of other videos and

1371
01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:41.680
then a lot of our other films
are also on YouTube that you can look

1372
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:45.720
up my name. Yeah, most
of our films have regular distributorything. We

1373
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:51.640
don't control what happens to them in
a way. Yeah. So like the

1374
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:57.680
big footing in a Connection revealed is
it's on twov It's on YouTube, It's

1375
01:49:57.720 --> 01:50:04.000
on Amazon Prime, son Comcast Download, and a couple other ones like Pluto.

1376
01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:08.880
I don't even know them all,
but so so I really don't control

1377
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:16.319
that that part of it. The
distributor doesn't. And on the Alien Contact

1378
01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:20.960
and the Rockies will also have DVDs
will be made as well as the digital

1379
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:26.560
presence on the more streaming platforms,
but until they're released. I really don't

1380
01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:30.159
know what they're gonna do exactly right, Yeah, I understand all that.

1381
01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:31.840
Well, Thank you both very much. It was a real pleasure. It

1382
01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:36.720
was really something different for the show. And but I really appreciate you coming

1383
01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:42.640
on and talking talking to us.
And I also want to thank Marty for

1384
01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:46.359
calling in from Washington as well.
Thank you both very much. Thanks,

1385
01:50:47.800 --> 01:50:53.520
that's all right, take care all
right everyone, So that is it for

1386
01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:58.159
the show this evening. Next week
we have run ferber On and thank you

1387
01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:02.239
all, and I appreciate you're watching
and hanging in for this show tonight,

1388
01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:06.279
and we'll see you next week at
the same time. And remember to keep

1389
01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:08.560
your eyes to the sky.