Hello, and welcome to the show. My name is Martin Willis. I'm
your host tonight, and it's gonna be kind of an unusual show. A
lot of times we talk about like nuts and bolts, UFOs, things like
that. We're gonna be talking kind of a full range. Since I've been
doing the show, I've had a number of people ask me, you know,
what is the connection between UFOs and bakefoot because they seem to happen in
the same area and repeat guests Stand Gordon has been on the show a number
of times back in nineteen seventy three, did some really good work on that
stellar work, and so there is has been that question. Now, I'd
like to keep an open mind. I never say I know what things are.
I never say you know for sure they're alien, for sure they're this
antidimensional that or whatever. I just try to, you know, hear people's
opinions and things like that. And we have two very interesting guests for that
tonight, Ron Meyer and Alan mcgargle, and they're going to be talking about
they have several films, some they're working on right now regarding this topic,
and we're gonna be talking about all that, and it should be a fascinating
show. Our blog this week is a nineteen it's called a nineteen seventy six
UFO Encounter in Kentucky and another great, well researched blog by Charles Lear,
who, by the way, is I think his book is just about and
when he gets that completed, we're going to have him on the show to
talk about it, help him out with it. He's does such great work.
I'm glad to have him and glad to have the great work he does.
And it's always put out or most of the time ninety nine percent of
the times put out as an audio blog, which if you follow our podcasts
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or you're on our YouTube channel. That's all on there. I believe I
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so that's where I talk about all kinds of things on that show. And
without further ado, I'm going to bring in my two guests. Well,
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thank you very much. And here we go. How you doing. I
have Ron Meyer. Welcome to the show. Ronny and Alan. Yes,
Hi Alan, Alan. I believe I spoke with you first when it came
to this. I don't remember how we connected first, but I thought it
would be it seems like you two, and you're connecting me with Ron.
It seems like you two would be the people to talk to when it comes
to the connection between the UFOs and Bakefoot that we hear about. Oh,
and I've talked to you off air about this person I spoke to the That
person also said they see orbs and hopefully that person will be calling in tonight.
This is someone Just a little backstory about what I'm talking about. I
sat next to a lay on a airplane and we were chatting and I finally
said to her, felt courageous enough. You don't have to feel so worried
about it these days. But anyway, I said, I do a show
on UFOs. You know, what do you think of that that topic?
And she said, well, I have I don't really know. It's interesting.
I really don't know much about it. But I have a friend that
has sasquatch, a whole troop of them that come to her cabin in Washington.
So today I spoke with that person on the phone, and it's fascinating.
I hope she does call in in the last half hour and explain what
she knows out there. So I'm going to start. I we'll start with
you allan, since I mentioned you first, I why don't you go ahead
if you would, and give us your background and what got you interested in
this topic to begin with. Sure. Yeah, So I've been interested in
this kind of stuff since I was a little kid. Me and my best
friend used to, you know, fantasize we saw a big foot in the
backyard, and then we watch all the TV shows back in the nineties,
Sightings in search of and those kinds of things. So I've been interested in
it for quite a while. Um. There was a point where I did
some things in the Adirondack Mountains of upstate New York where my parents lived,
and it had a potential big foot encounter, and I sort of sparked my
interest even more. When I got back to Ohio, where I'm originally from,
we me and my buddy connected with the big foot community there the Ohio
Bigfoot Conference and some other folks, and it kind of took off from there.
I did a lot of research with some bfr eventually became part of the
big Foot field researchers organization arena camp out weekend with my buddy called big Foot
Adventure Weekends, and we just had had a lot of things going on.
And then I met Ron, who was doing a film project on it,
and we sort of connected and ended up moving out to Colorado where he is,
and we decided to partner up on some things and take a deeper look
at this. And now we're, you know, putting some connections together that
a lot of people didn't necessarily want to together. So we're kind of looking
at things differently. Now. So how about that? Very good? And
Ron, how about yourself? What got you interested in this topic? Wasn't
meeting up. Wait a minute, you met at a conference, so you
had an interest in this before. No, Actually, I was hired to
do a series on the nature of Bigfoot, but earlier, when I was
a kid. I grew up in Wisconsin, when there was little light pollution,
I was obsessed with looking to the heavens, built myself a six inch
telescope, drowned the mirror itself, and I came within half a day of
having a comment named after me photographed. The first passing of spot Nick and
I was obsessed with UFO was when I was a teenager, and I think
I had a classic type of UFO encounters standing on top of my garage where
I built a platform to put my telescope. Fell forward to about seven eight
years ago, I was hired to do a program, a series called Chasing
Bigfoot about the phenomena of Bigfoot, which has done very well, but towards
the end of it and I never really believe that there was actually some sort
of advanced ape, you might say, running around amongst us in some way
that keeps itself hidden yet kind of interacts and in half assways. And then
somebody, somebody I was interviewing towards the end set well, I think you
know that that Bigfoot is actually pair of physical which would mean something you could
say, a non human intelligence, which probably would be classified as what aliens
and UFOs are about is a non human intelligence. So that was the beginning
of the merger. And as a result of that, I felt, well,
since I am a film producer of many years, maybe i'll do I'm
interested in this. I got to explore more what's the possible connection would be,
and that was the film called The Bigfoot Alien Connection Revealed, which has
been a runaway success. I think over four million views across multiple streaming platforms.
And I did that in conjunction with Allen and that became the basis of
our new kinds of investigations. Wow. Yeah, I'm not sure if we
can do anything about your audio there. Definitely we're all noticing it. It's
pretty bad. Yeah, maybe if you're closer, try that now, we'll
get you right up in the camera. But still it's the audio we're concerned
about the most. Well, the mic is in the camera or the web?
Is that any better? Yeah? That is better. So we're gonna
have to have you that close up throughout the show. And so that's just
that's just fine. Thank you for doing that. How that'll work just fine,
because I really do want to take calls. So that's the only other
way. If your mic fails on you, we have to have you call
in and there's only one one line. But but you're good, You're good.
So let's see. So as far as uh, I watched the the
Big Foot encounter, uh the what say the tunnel of that? If you
would please all revealed, that's right. Yeah, So I watched that and
I thought it was, you know, for the most part, really interesting.
I thought, you know, to be honest with you, there was
a couple of things that I thought were reaching a little bit, you know,
and um, but you know, I know that gets a big audience.
I know that too. You know, people are fascinated by that.
And you know, I mean we really have to also realize, uh,
you know, when you're talking about this type of topic, the number one
thing people want the nuts and bolts, They want evidence, they want to
you know, where where is that? And and and just just let me
show this to the the audience that are watching on video. This is a
stabilized video of the only really good video the Patterson gimblin nineteen sixty seven.
Here it is. It's colorized and stabilized, and you can you can see
that. I know there has been a lot of this slow motion. There's
been a lot of people that have tried to analyze this to see if that
is someone in a guerrilla suit. And you know what, the an anatomy
of a human human being does not line up with the joints and things like
that. So it's, uh, it's fascinating to think that that that could
be the real film. Not I've seen you. I'm sure you have seen
other films of people showing and it's just I don't know if those are real.
You know, there's little glimpses and things like that. But for instance,
you know, my thought is right now, okay, this woman I
spoke to earlier and she had to get off the phone quickly because she had
an appointment, But it was, why don't we see video? Why don't
we see pictures of these? That's kind of does either one of you want
to connect? Not being now take that topic? Why really good video?
I think that it's just it's just not possible. There's there's something sort of
non scientific about you know, the experiences that people are having with all of
this that are just they're they're not tangible in that way. It's not meant
for everyone. It's meant for the individual, whatever type of experiences it's been.
And I can let Ron elaborate on on sort of what I mean,
Robbly, Yeah, go ahead. I mean I think the same is true
for let's say craft alien craft types of experiences. Right there, they're not
very many really good pictures or videos of alien craft unless you know something that
I don't. You know, the tic tac ones are are quite interesting and
brobably. I've heard that those are some of the worst pictures, so maybe
there are better ones. But there are multiple ways to experience paranormal phenomena,
including Bigfoot, there at least associated with them. So I'm not saying I
don't think we're saying that this creature is something like you could film. You
could like you film a gorilla, because it's not. It doesn't have that
nature. It has some other nature rather than it's paraphysical, supernatural, whatever
you want to call it. It doesn't have a physical existence, but it
can appear in a physical way. You know, the most common evidence of
bigfoot, our footprints, large plaster of pairs cast, but almost in every
case there's only two or three and then they disappear. So you think if
you were tracking some animal, the tracks would go on and go somewhere and
end up somewhere. But in almost all cases, including our own cases in
our land, they show up, they go for a while, and they
just seem to disappear into nowhere. And there are plenty accounts of a big
foot disappearing in front of people's eyes, or merging into orders, or some
people even saying being pull up into UFOs. So they have this quality that's
that's not in some way totally of this world, only partially of this world.
Yeah, you know, years ago when I started this show, I
remember that I had someone on that was actually taking reports. It wasn't move
on, I'm not, I don't remember if it was an organization or not,
but taking reports of UFOs. It might have been moved on. And
the story of this particular encounter was this woman. It was an older,
elderly woman and she was watched this large orb you know, come down behind
her property and then she sees like an a big foot appear out of it.
Now, This is going back, you know, ten years ago I
heard heard this, and so that makes me think, you know, I
don't know what I think about it. You know, are they entered dimensional?
Is that the is that the leading Is there a leading theory I should
say? I mean, what's their nature besides not the lesson blood totally?
Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I mean are they coming? I
mean, are people? Is like a common theory that they're coming from another
dimension? Or is there no common theory? Um? I mean that's the
simplest way people talk about mystical experiences is that they're interdimensional. But I'm not
quite sure what that would actually mean. So so Ron, just to let
you know what Bill said, you can back up just a little bit.
I think now right right about right there, that's let's try that. So
yeah, um, and this thing about warves, you mentioned that earlier people
are mentioning that they see these things disappear into warbs, and if they you
know, is that their way they if it is interdimensional, is that the
way they travel? You know? Well, um, I'm not stuck on
the term interdimensional. What do you mean by that? Well, um,
that they come from another dimension, they come in and out of our our
space from another space. I mean, I'm just wondering if that is like
a common theory of what these things are, because there's no remains anywhere,
no one's ever found like a big foot body or bones or anything like that
that I'm aware of, so so that they're not at least totally flush and
bad a part of our our natural system or somehow somehow supernatural. But you
know, Christians talk about God living in heaven, right and they don't call
God in or dimensional or angels or so on. So I'm not sure what
the I don't think anybody really knows what the source is in that sense.
But what about UFOs, I mean they some of the occurrences seem to be
quite mystical in that same way. Yes, um, I think if you
think about the state of physics and relativity, there's a lot that's not known
right now, and and I don't think either of those will give you any
answer to that question. In particular, I think it's it's open right now
for exploration. All this can happen. But since since since recorded history,
people have been having these kinds of appearances, So something supernatural, whether they're
big foot or you know, angels or you know, Christ went into the
mountains and had some sort of encounter. The Bibles follow them, so the
you know, Muhammad had had a supernatural encounter, and of course Eastern religions
are full of them as well. These experiences that are sort of tailored for
you. They show up in a way that that sort of makes sense for
you in the short term and you can handle them. But what it's all
about is still open right now in my opinion. Yeah, and that's how
I feel about UFOs as well, you know, like where That's why I
like to interview different people that have different theories on what these are. And
I've heard I've heard it all, and the best, the best answer I
like to that question is maybe they're several different things, you know, maybe
it's not just one thing. Yeah, can we tell you about we We
got kind of carried away, I have, I have. We lived near
the Rocky Mountains, around the edge of the Rocky Mountains. We opened we
opened up. We thought we could maybe open up a portal on our land,
and we actually captured on film creatures coming through. Not Bigfoot brought strange
creatures and we got them, you know, visually and you caught it on
film absolutely, well, you know, on a webcam and we don't shoot
film anymore. But yeah, yeah, right while and do you want to
stay to tell you about that? Yeah, well yes, so, so
we also think that that not only and of cor ciscos with the UFOs as
well as not not only do you have these glimpses, but sometimes you can
interact. There's a long history of people getting downloads like Newton got a download
about gravity tying together what happens here on Earth and what the planetary movements on
and after that it became obsessed with mysticism. So this is pretty common.
So anyhow, we started out saying if we could maybe interact with with what
we thought might be big foot on our land. And one of the ways
to do that is to put some sort of object someplace and see if something
could move it or change it when you go away, just to see what
would happen. So we've our land is very rugged on private property close to
Rocky Mountain National Park, and Allen, we tell them about the feather we
put in the bottle and how we hit it and all that, and then
what happened. Yeah, So during some of our filming for the big Foot
Alien Connection Revealed. We talked to a lot of people, you know,
on the West coast and and they told us about you know, sort of
gifting and how you can have these interactions with a bigfoot or what they said
was bigfoot. So we we tried to do that. We took a sort
of a glass bottle with a sort of a thin top, and we put
put a feather in there, and we kind of stuck that up underneath some
rocks, just sort of created a way for an interaction to happen. And
and we did it in such a way that, um, someone would have
had to you know, found the bottle, picked it up and shook the
feather out. So it just tried to make it as as nature proof as
we could. Um. So we we had that set up for a while
and eventually we came back in after a couple of attempts and the feather was
out of the bottle and we found it stuck sort of in this crevice nearby.
So to us, that was sort of maybe the first sign of actually
starting to make some sort of connection. So something wanted to play. So
what we did next is that we said, well, let's set up a
trap okam on this location. Now, we'll consider this our gifting site.
And we did, and we came back one late late in the fall,
and dropped at our gifting site was a mutilated deer. You've probably heard about
mutilations as some sort of weird paranormal phenomena. Well that blew our mind,
so in fact, you know, it's kind of spooky. I actually had
a mental experience at the same time when we discovered that, where I have
a way of meditating, and I did an open eye meditation, I closed
my eyes and immediately a parade of about a hundred weird creatures poured through in
my mind's eye indicate something like what would chew up eventually. So when we
to some people about mutilations, and this seemed to fit the Bill Club well.
And this is all well documented on film as it were our tape.
And then when we came back another time to just check on the trailcam,
Alan looked at you know, the d SD card and and look at it
on its computer. Why don't you tell them what we found? Yeah,
So we had a series of whether maybe two or three, I think two
clips that were all static. It was just white static at first lance,
which was very unusual. Never had never seen that before, especially I've had
that camera for a while. But as we started to sort of look at
that footage, you could see some movement in there. So we were able
to sort of invert that image, turned the white to black and the black
to white, and we could clearly make out these little creatures. There was
two or three different videos we have of these little time little creatures at the
same time. You see that there was like a dome shape to the static.
It wasn't just static in general, it was a very clear shape to
it all. By the way, the camera was working perfectly when this wasn't
happening. We had good night shots of boxes and daytime shots and magwies,
and so we went out and took and took magnetic readings to see if we
can confirm that dome shape and for a ship. Sure enough, we got
magnetic fluctuation corresponding to that dome shape that we're off the charts. At the
same time, we could get that anytime we wanted. Interesting. So,
just getting back to the mutilation the deer, did you actually walk the exact
same property and then it showed up after I mean, did you not see
it one day and then it there? We you know, we we have
to drive about an hour and a half to get to our site from from
where we live, so we well, we came out. There was totally
unexpected. I'm sure that the stati was in. If we had come two
days earlier, we went to see it, and if we had come maybe
a week later, it might have been somewhat devoured. But again, I
don't know what to say it was. But this brand new, no blood.
There were saw marks, cut marks as well as rip marks, no
head, and you know we're on the unlocked, a gated community of large
landholders of forty acres who are all pretty civilized people. So it's just and
there were no drag marks, and this was off the road quite a bit,
so there was a mystery. This is all the kind of a mystery.
I know that you mentioned the skinwalker ranch phenomenon. That's what you call
it, and I think that is a good term because you know, most
people know what that is. And so you are obviously out there looking for
these type of areas, which there seems to be quite a few of some
of them. Say there's you know, a native American connection. Some people
say that there's a geological connection, minerals, things like that. So this
particular area you're talking about in Colorado or does that have anything that stands out
to you either one you all of that. There's a Native American connection.
There is, you know, a crystal connection. There's a lot of rose
courts and things like that in the in the ground there, so I think,
yeah, it's a there's a connection to all that and a lot of
reports you know thround us part the gateway to the Big Park and near the
Stanley Hotel, which is considered to be the most haunted hotel in the country.
You know, the place that your boyfriend from Main hung out at you
got the expert inspiration for the shining Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
How I lived in Colorado for three years in the in the Long Line
area, but I used to travel all around. I loved it there.
So here's a question, someone's please ask about the possibility of Bigfoot as well
as etot both. Are there both any comments on that? So certainly there
there are appearances and glimpses of booth without a doubt, and often in these
uh these paranormal hotspots that we've been investigating both show up. We were one
in Wisconsin where we had all sorts of strange things. We're looking for the
Beast of Bray Road, and we're kind of hypothesizing that these beasts are a
group of animals like the Beast of Bray Road, which is a dog man
or gold man in Bigfoot. They're probably all the same phenomenon in our opinion
at the moment. They show up in different ways for different people. And
once once the site becomes well known for more and more people become aware of
it and they start having experiences. And so we actually captured maybe the Beast
of Bray Road on filming it too. Might a strange occurrence there that was
in Wisconsin. So, but also at this site what we call our sweet
spot out there, it's the best example of UFO Pencil shaped UFOs. Are
you familiar with those? I'm sorry, what shape? Pencil shaped? I
thought that's what you said. No, gated ones like this, you know
they are feel like this pencil shape, Well, pencil pencil you're right,
Well, okay, see I'm having it still having a hard time with that
audio. It sounded like you were saying pretzel and that would that'd be a
new one to me, you know, never they had a little sault and
everything. So the guy who owns the property to capture on his jail,
kim the best pencil shape you have, alas I've ever seen moving moving in
actually moving in the frame from one spot to another and changing the number available
right over the spot where we may have captured the beast of Bray Road on
camera. Interesting. Wow, here's another question that and people thank you for
putting your questions in all caps so I don't miss them. So what about
them? Do you know? I don't. I'm not familiar with this,
but I have heard of people suggesting that they hear something in their mind.
He's calling this the mind speak phenomenon. Many reports have been about that.
Um, what do you have to anything about that? Do you have any
comments on that? Allen? Allen's pretty familiar with that person. Yeah,
It's it's not so much um mind speak for me. It's it's more of
a it's been more of a sort of a spiritual experience, is what I
liken it too, UM, where I feel emotion but not my emotion,
and I sense this presence when I'm close along with you know, hearing other
noises, footsteps and things like that. Um, yeah, there's there's Um
I feel this connection when I'm doing these things, like, not only am
I looking for them, they're looking for me at the same time. That's
what it feels like. Um. So I think they have a way to
communicate. Um. Maybe some people can communicate with words, but for me,
it's I sort of you know, I feel it about that. Yeah,
go ahead. So we are in Wisconsin where we are looking at the
beast Bray Road, our host who's a you know, well experienced to despatcher,
and it's kind of gone from Harry creature in the woods to something more
paranormal. At one point, when I did a meditation, he heard mind
speak. He usually goes out armed with tons of equipment and camera's rolling and
it looks like he's ready for battle in Afghanistan or something. He heard clearly
something in his mind and felt it at the same time to turn everything off,
and he had never done that before, and he did it and put
him at ease and made him feel comfortable on the way he had never felt
in the woods before. Yeah, that ties back to what we talked about
at the beginning of the show where you know, no one ever gets a
good picture. I think if you're going to have an experience of this nature,
you can't go in there like that without intention, with that equipment.
It just it doesn't work that way. It's not going to happen for you
like that. I've heard I've heard other people say that that they that sometimes
they don't even bring anything with him because they want to have an experience,
and that if they have things with him, they won't. Well. The
thing for me that really started to you know, turn up the volume on
a lot of this where now I start to have experiences more often than not,
has been opening my mind to that, and that took a long time
for me to do because I'm not, you know, that kind of person.
I'm I'm an engineer, I'm science space. I don't think that way.
So it was sort of letting go of all that when you're when you're
in the woods and letting it, letting it happen. But that that's a
really hard thing to do because you don't it doesn't feel natural, you know
for me anyway? What about fear? Now I think of Bigfoot and I
can't help but to think that if I was in the woods and something was
nine feet tall and big and harry and walking toward me or away from me,
or anywhere that I saw, I would be petrified. Well, and
that's part of what I'm talking about. You know, you have to let
go of all that. You have to be receptive. If you panic,
you're gonna just shut down. Everything's gonna shut down. You need to be
calm and open to that, and things will happen. I mean, I've
had these things. You know, I didn't see them, but I heard
them walk right up to me, you know, six safe feet behind me,
and I could I could feel it. There was like a warm,
swirling feeling in my chest. I knew something was right behind me. But
it just you know, you have to be calm or or it's it's over
before it even begins. Yeah, and what about I don't know which one
of you said it. Someone said people witness different things they're seeing. Does
that mean when they're seeing this together, they're both seeing something different. I
think it happens both ways. Sometimes people will see the same thing and sometimes
they'll see something different. Or one we'll see something the other around't see anything
at all. Yeah, we've had experiences where I clearly heard something and Ron
standing right next to me and he didn't. We've had instances where we've heard
the typical bigfoot wood knocks, clear as day, super loud, two cameras
rolling, and we go back to review the footage and there's nothing. It's
on there anywhere. So I think, I think there is something to that.
Yeah, well, it's the same thing with UFOs. I heard a
number of people say that they both, you know, side by side,
saw something different. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, witness testimony
is good, but it's also it's it's the hardest piece of ali. Yeah.
Yeah. So so just one more thing on the fear business, I
think and this, I think this is correct that the mental state you go
in with, whether it's fear based or something much more calm or even joyous,
you're paranormally encountered, whichever it will be, will reflect your mental state.
Yeah. It takes a bit of training in preparation to open people up,
I found too, to get out of that fierce state into something more
opening and accepting, and then you're experience well your mental state. Yeah,
I've been in the woods with people that were armed to the teeth, you
know, that was the way they went. They were they were afraided,
and I had experiences and I was ten feet behind them and they didn't,
you know, just things like that. So that's something. Well, Um,
here is a very interesting question from Carl Mids and any connection to bigfoot
and people disappearing in the wilderness. I don't know if either one of you
have ever followed David Polites um four one one all these strange missing people,
and you know, I think people have asked him that question as well.
I believe, Yeah. I mean, for me, the experience of that
I have had have not been fearful whatsoever. And I don't I don't believe
there's a direct connection. Not to say that something couldn't happen. Maybe if
those people are threatening in them in some way, but I don't know,
I'm not I'm not convinced that that's a normal thing, not to say it
hasn't happened. Yeah. Interesting, Well, when we think, go ahead,
run, you look like you're going to say something. Yeah, So
important aspects of our investigation is that every time we've gone in the field,
we've had some occurrence or some force messing with technology. M I think gives
you it gives us some sort of clue as to what the nature of these
things might be. Um, you want some examples, Yes, i'd like,
And I'm going to ask you right after bat how about the draining of
batteries. That's what I always hear. Yeah, that We had a spectacular
one of those. We were we were in Arkansas a Crystal Mind and we
you know what a rampart is. Rampart rampart, it's a that's a ghost
device that puts out a very weak electromagnetic signal and the radio wave frequency range.
You know. It's it's like a little dome shape and then something gets
into that it disrupts the field and it sets off a visual and audio type
of display. We set these on a picnic bench and my cameraman had a
long live audio recording device separate independent set it next to us, and we
went back and we were on a stage looking and all of a sudden,
the grandpod went off and it was going crazy, and we could see it
visually. We could see it through through infrared, and we could see it
through just normal camera enlargement. And it lasted for over twelve minutes and then
stopped and and allan and the cameraman went to gather the tools up there had
multiple experiences. Why don't you say what happened after Allen? Yeah, so
when we picked up the rampott, it was the batteries were dead, and
then we went to shut off the audio record that was right next to it,
and the batters were dead on that too, And our cameraman said that,
you know, that should last a day or two. That had a
plenty of power in it. So that was very surprising. And then as
soon as we sort of got our hands on those things, there was just
we both got hit with this just words smell that came out of nowhere just
hit us both like a wall of just just really nasty and future smell.
And then as soon as we both sort of discussed it for a few seconds,
it was gone. Since that's something wow, Speaking of odors, do
you hear a lot of people talk about the big foot order that sort of
musky and maybe they smell bigfoot before they no, he's even there? Is
that something you hear when you've investigated these things? It is, I've I've
experienced that too. I don't know if it's a you know, a defense
mechanism or if it's a stinky bigfoot or what. But it doesn't happen,
you know, all the time. It's not it's not a telltell, you
know, part of every sighting, but it's definitely a thing that people say
a lot. Wow. So what's happening is that in this particular incident,
um the owners of the property interpreted all this had some sort of encounter with
Bigfoot, that that something we couldn't see at least individual spectrum was interfering or
moving inside that electromagnetic field producing that smell. So a lot of paranormal phenomena
which probably fifty years ago row would not have been called in encounter and interpreted
as big or now being intributed in the presidence of Bigfoot, just like Alan's
felt experience in multiple places. He could say they were a big foot,
he could say it was something else that was para normal maybe alien of a
different nature. But more and more and more things that occur that are unusual
or kind of supernatural are said to be attributed to Bigfoot for whatever reason.
And Wow. Now we talked earlier about Skinwalker Ranch, and I know that
there was a science team there and they actually we're not filming at the time,
but they saw a portal and they saw this animal, not a bigfoot,
but some type of weird animal come out of this portal. And this
is also this question that just popped up here. Jaalen wants to know if
do you have any comments regarding them traveling through portals? Actually, I mean
I think I should smaller animals. Yeah, that's a real possibility. I
mean, I think you're common about skin Walker Ranch. That's I guess what
we would classify. That's the same thing that we had happened on Bronze property.
So you know, we um we were at the Montana Vortex or up
in near Glacier National Park and they have a vortex there and the owner of
the property has video of what he says is a bigfoot coming through a large,
hairy being sort of appear. So I think it's it's possible. If
it's if it happens all the time, I don't know, but I think
it's definitely possible. So if you remember that incident that skin Walker Ranches,
that these portals occur in conjunction with a traumatic drop and temperature. I mean,
people will you know encountered ghosts and crazy buildings. It's almost size.
It felt drop in temperature. Is it maybe that can be attributed to a
portal and something moving through So and two of our investor gatitions we had clear
evidence of portals that we captured on our thermal that were on a summer evening
in Washington, State of Washington, we found a cold spot on an area
where a sensitive says she had plenty of paranormal activity and what was the temperature
below freezing in this little portal area island? Was that something like that?
Yeah, we were getting really low temperatures. I don't remember the exact numbers,
but thirty and below in a small early And then at our place where
we thought maybe we had the Beast of Gray Road, we had a similar
sort of situation where the temperature wasn't it was a warm evening and the temperature
was down into the thirties and forties again, and it has a physical shape
of kind of kind of like a circle, but not quite as Moore rough.
But the big, the big experience, they had a skin walk around
same phenomena or portal when all this stuff showed up. And and in Colorado
we had a situation where two guys were out doing big footing during the Bigfoot
weekend, and we captured on film from from each one a different look at
what they said was an orb um and this wasn't you know, backscattered because
they weren't using improgretting still cameras shooting you know who flash um. Quite different
in shape and very interesting. And one of them said that Bigfoot emerged from
that from that the or the portal or the orb the orbs they all occurred
together. Who documented that? Too? Interesting? How you know another thing
that makes you wonder if it's what makes like say, if these things are
really happening, happening in certain areas, you know, I mean they theorize,
you know, the minerals, they theorize, you know what we talked
about earlier, Native American connection whatever. But it's not just here in this
country. You know, things are happening everywhere. You know, even at
Randelsham Forest they say weird things are happening. You know, that's known for
a nineteen eighty you know, UFO incident at a military base. But people
are saying that they've see cryptoid animals and things that are just really wild,
you know, the dogman and all that everything else that they see in this
whole area, And why do you suppose it's they're just in certain areas,
and you know, for it, does that point more to where people might
think that this could be travel through some other realm. So, you know,
I think if you look at history going way back, I think all
these mystical experiences always correspond to some sort of place. You know, Jesus
had his experiences somewhere, Muhammad had his experiences somewhere. Often the people that
we're in India, or the Buddhists, they're all associated with places in somewhere
or another. Thomas Martin, the great Christian mystic, said there are places
that are thinner to the other side, whatever that means. So we also
think that human consciouences joined together, and there's some evidence like Dean Ray and
you know he is no, I'm not familiar. Yeah, the great PSI
experimenter that scientific work that human consciousness has joined together can create these places so
that people are creating them. And once once it starts, it begins to
build and build. And we have some pretty good evidence that's the case.
It's everywhere we go, we can kind of pinto on one or two people
kind of the beginning of it all. Wow. Interesting. Well, last
week's show was on the consciousness connection with UFOs. Last week was at this
week is big Foot. So I just heard very similar, for sure,
I think, Yeah, yeah, okay, I just heard from the person
I spoke to earlier, and she's willing to call in, so I might
do that a little bit early and I'll let of course Bill has to take
the call and all that. Here's another question. Have either of you heard
the samurai chatter from these creatures? Yeah? Yeah, what is? I
did a lot of you know, sort of cut my teeth on Bigfoot at
Salt Fork State Park in central Ohio, which is well well known across the
country with big foot folks, and me and my buddy, we were we
had reserved the group campground, which is a huge area off in the wildlife
area of the park by itself, and we had we gotten some special permission
to go in there after the season. So it was in March and it
was really really cold that night, in the twenties, and we had set
up our ten and we were just sitting by the fire, you know,
discussing our plans and how we're gonna, you know, do our investigation and
down on the trail down below is we heard what sounded like a woman talking
to two kids, just soft little voices. But the more we'd leaned in
and listened, We're like, that's not people, but it's language, and
that's that's what it sounded like. It was that sort of chatter noise,
and it went on for a couple of minutes and we had a very rustless
night after that. Interesting. Wow, that is that? And I had
never heard of that. So I'm asking, I'm asking her name is mar
d m A R d Hi, asking her to call now so built might
be ready and standing volume. We'll take her call. So why she's in
Washington State? Why Washington? Why is so much going on there? Don't?
I know you too are in Colorado, but you must wonder why that
state is so active? I mean, is it the wilderness? Does that
have something to do with it? It does, and I think there's a
lot of people out there dedicated to finding it too, so you've got more
people looking. Um. But yeah, it has a it has a real
rich history. I'm not sure. I mean, it's it's super remote out
there, yeah, but also there's a lot connected to the to the volcanoes
and the cascades. There's a lot of underground passageways and strange things connected to
those volcanoes. I heard that. And then there's the memo moons. Have
you heard of that? Where's that's there? Obviously, but where where in
the state? Where are the memo mows? We Sentellia there? There are
these these comical shaped things that are maybe six seven feet high, and there's
thousands of them, all lined up one after another. One theory is that
aliens some aw we're digging these tunnels and that's where they dumped the material.
Otherwise that they're totally inexplicable. There's no way that they could have occurred,
and they're quite ancient. It's just really bizarre stuff like that going on.
Now, have they ever done a radar to try to see what's down inside
them? Like a lot of times will be a burial, uh, you
know, chambers or something that are unusual. Yeah, there's nothing there,
but there's thousands of them all lined up in one area, one after they're
probably five or six football fields across, and it goes for miles. Wow,
and Ron touched on another you know topic that's come up while we've been
doing this research and talking to people, and there's there's a contingency of people
that believe that they may be subterranean as well. And there's a whole infrastructure
underground somewhere that these things could come in and out of. Well, well,
I have Marty is on the line. I'm going to add her to
the show. Marty is the person that I was talking about earlier. I
met her friend on a plane and started talking to her and she connected me
to her today, Marty, welcome to the show. Hi, Hi,
Hi, are you willing? Let's hear your your what part? You're right
on that border of Oregon, right your cabin? Yes, okay, yeah,
So can you explain what is happening? Well? Um, for the
last three years, we developed a relationship with a group of sasquash that lives
on the property. And UM, I realized that sounds well to this audience.
Hopefully it sounds normal. I'm a skeptic, I'm a natural skeptic of
everything and so, um, but I'm very open minded about most things,
and and and so it's UM. It started with just hearing them hearing,
you know, them calling to each other at night, which is pretty terrifying.
Really loud screams and the chatter. I think Alan or Ron just mentioned
the chatter noises that they heard. You know, it sounds like a group
of people talking. Uh, we're hearing that at night as well. Like
you, you would think that there's a group of humans on your property.
We have thirty acres, it's our own mountains and we are in what's called
High Prairie, Washington. So we look right out at Mount Adams in the
Cascades. We're right between Mount Hood and Mount Adams. So, um,
that would give you an idea of the terrain. And you know, I'm
only twenty miles away from the Esti Ranch ec Eti, you know with a
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm probably the most paranormal hotspot in
the whole state. So after buy them. So, so, Marty,
before we continue here, I have to ask you, and I want you
to continue because it's it's fascinating to me. But what about photos and videos.
I've heard other people say they disappear when you want to take a picture.
Is that what what's going on with that? Yeah? Well, I
had one experience of justiness lash June. It was I've been um, I
meditate I meditate twice a day every day. I was meditating outside underneath a
tree in a meadow where they often come and go. And yes, I
believe that there's a portal here or weird and energetic vortex. Um, definitely,
we have a native American connection here. We have everything all of the
above check check check for like Skinwalker ranch conditions. And so I was meditating
and I heard them say, I heard telepathically in my brain, if you
want to see us, we'll be out tonight. And I thought, huh,
okay. And I'm always the disorganized person. I don't ever have my
camera, but I had my cell phone on. I was ready. I'm
like, okay, well we'll see if that was true, if it's just
my mind, you know. And that night, you know, every night,
at ten o'clock, they'd been running by the house and hitting the side
of the house. And I mean, it's loud, you can hear the
footsteps. It's it's terrifying. And so they ran by hit the house.
But then I heard someone coughing down below my window. I had my windows
open, I was upstairs. I look across the meadow and they were trying
to get my attention and I was like, I don't believe this. I
don't believe it until I see you. And so I stood up and looked,
and there they were. There was a group of about seventeen, about
exactly seventeen, I counted. I was so freaked out. I'm like,
what, we have motion sensor lights from the house, and they couldn't quite
reach They almost reached right on the edges of it. But what they were
doing was amazing. I held up, I picked up my phone camera.
I'm looking through the camera and I waved because they were looking right at me.
I could see red eyes looking right at me across the meadow. So
they're about what maybe two hundred yards one hundred yards away, not that far
but far enough, you know, And I could see them clearly, and
they were I could physically see them, but they sort of looked semi transparent
around their tasks, around their ankles, the lower legs were semi transparent.
So they were walking, and they were walking in a ceremony. They were
following each other in a circle. And you know what it reminded me of
is pow wows. How you know the Native Americans. I go to a
lot of pow wows, that they go around in a certain circle, and
I just started wondering, like, I wonder, what is this. Well,
then I started hearing native drumming, was like boom boom boom boom boom
boom, and really loud. But it was not native drumming. How do
I know? I just know it wasn't. It was like a mechanical sound
coming from the earth. And then so I'm watching and I'm filming in my
camera right I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, I'm gonna
put this video out. And a minute I had that thought. The leader
who seemed to be the largest had to be, you know, fifteen feet
tall. I don't know, vally tall, because way across the field,
really really tall, taller than one of my tallest trees, looks at me
and my camera flew out of my hand, flew against the window, dropped
it. I'm like, oh, oh, okay, I guess not.
And I just kept watching. I could still see but everything. The power
went out a second later, like ooh, all the power went out,
and I went, well, I guess they don't want to be filmed.
And but I went to look. I didn't have it, but I witnessed
it. I saw that, and then ever, you know, I have
many, many, many more experiences ever after, but that's the first time
I physically saw them on the property doing this ceremony. Long story short,
I watched on one of the shows. You know, I'm obsessed with all
those different documentaries on History Channel, etc. Well, there was something about
Washington State in the Tri Cities, which is only a hundred miles from here.
They've got a research lab on portals, and they said a feature of
a portal when it opens, is that sound that something sound? It sumps,
and it does sound like native drumming. So that's scientifically proven. They're
doing experiments at this lab in the Tri Cities on opening and closing portals.
So I never knew that. I thought, well, okay, that's interesting.
Well, while you're Ron, don't don't don't hang up yet. I
want to know if Alan or Ron, do you have some questions. I
mean, this is what I would consider a pretty good witness. Do you
have any questions for Well, it sounds like a lot of stories we've heard.
I mean, you have some details in there that are new, but
a lot of the there's a lot of similarities to your story and other people
that we've talked to and some of our own encounters as well. Um,
they always seem to be um just out of reach, you know, either
visually or or through the use of technology to really view them in a clear
manner. They know what they're doing, that's for sure. Yeah. Yes,
Like I said that, Adam's areas probably the most paranormal rich spot in
the Oregon Washington area. Um it is. There's a guy who we worked
with. His name is Tom Powell. Do you know him? Maybe now?
Very well, that Tom Powell, I think, yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah, some way we could put you in touch with him.
He's worked that area quite a bit. Um. We also got from some
interesting stones from another sensitive that work put out incredible electromagnetic activity that led us
all up from that area. So there's a lot going on there, all
right. I have a couple of questions for you, Marty, and so
how close have you ever gotten to the and and you said that they form
different groups, right, but how close have you ever gotten to one?
How how far away was the closest one? Okay, this is this is
one of one of the first experiences I had here. I was standing out
at four am in are in that same field. And I hear all around
me, just like what the guys were saying. You know, I'm not
seeing anything, but I'm feeling them. You know, the thumping footsteps are
coming. It's like elephants thundering all around me. I had three dogs on
a leash. I three dogs on a leash out to pee at four am,
and they wrap around my legs. And it was probably they surrounded me
in a group, and they were what they were. I could feel them.
I could. I was paralyzed. I couldn't move, And that is
also a feature I've learned. It's I was literally paralyzed. But I was
being spun around while my feet were on the ground, I kid you not.
So they were surrounding me. And how I knew they were surrounding me
was I could steal their breath, like oh, I could hear that.
And and they were going they were saying hoo hoo, whoo, hoo woo.
They were doing fake awl calls to each other, and it was I
was in the middle of their circle. They were circling me. They were
messing with me, and I was terrified and I went I finally found my
voice and I said, hey, if you're trying to scare me, it's
working. I'm really scared. And it's instantly stopped. Instantly, like the
minute I said something, they went oh, and they just took off down
the hill, calling to each other. Let me let me ask you something.
When you say you felt them, what can you describe that? What
did I feel like? Um? Hot? Uh, you know, my
chest, my whole chest was um, my heart was pounding, you know,
like you're really out of breath. Yeah, and um, it was
just frozen, I thought, with fear. And I've learned that's a sonar
thing, um, like an infrasound. It's called infrasound and tiger tiger's habit.
Elephants have it. Um it's not very heavy then, yes, very
heavy and excellent move And my dogs couldn't move. I had one dog that
ran away early on, but the other two were frozen and wrapped around my
legs. And so that we're all just standing there like, what is happening?
How did you actually go ahead, ron, go ahead? Run?
Have you had any did you have any experiences as a younger person before this
that are paranormal in nature? Me? Yeah, experiences, Oh yes,
yeah, open to it. Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm wide open
um and and and so, well that's why it's then that's why too.
Well yeah, and it's still scary. What I called the shaff three times
this last summer because of them jumping on my roof. They jumped on my
roof and then I asked, I thought, well, shoot, I wonder
if because they talk to me when I meditated, I asked telepathically, why
are you doing this? Are you just messing with me? Because I was
really scared, and they said, oh, it's just our way. They
liked me. Okay, I start. I feed them now we have a
relationship. I'm not even kidding. I leave food for them. I asked
them what they wanted. I have a hidden place that I leave it.
They've been interacting with me now. The closest I've gotten is maybe ten or
fifteen feet away now. But they will show themselves. But they women do
they disappear. They show themselves physically full on, and then they go up
into thin air. It's it's very trippy. And what about orbs. Oh
yeah, there are trees around here at nights um usually it's like once a
month, And that's what led me to start believing. Are they just coming
here they have a new crew that comes in for training. I mean,
I have other people. I know it sounds silly, but I have other
witnesses in the family. It's not just me. There's at least four of
us that have witnessed all of these things. Yeah, yeah, it's not
just wacky Marty and that we should go out. Yeah, definitely. It
sounds up our alley for sure. When the sheriffs were here. When the
sheriff deputies were I had them out three times last year because I could swear
it was people and there should be no people on my property. Like I
said, we're very remote. We're out in the middle of nowhere, thirty
acres our own mountain. You have to come up a mile driveway to get
up here. So you hear people talk, do you hear chattering? It
sounded like a bunch of Chinese people. That's what I thought. I thought,
it's this Chinese? Is it Japanese? And then I look. I
would go look out the window. Of course there's nothing there, but my
lights were going off all night long, and and the sheriff when they came,
I said, you're going to think I'm really nuts. But you know,
this is what I believe is happening. And they're like, no,
that's not nuts. All of us have had our experiences here. It's just
it's normal. It's just people don't talk about it. Yeah, now why
would why would? It sounds like a semi remote area. Maybe I'm wrong,
but a lot of times people will spot, you know, big foot
in an area where it's very remote. And what would be if if Like
I'm just trying to figure out if these things are visiting, do they not
want humanry interaction or do they I mean, do they want to? I'm
why are they here? No? Okay, Well, if you want to
get into all that I've started. I've been because I'm a meditator, because
I'm a spiritual person, because I'm might open to all of this. I
started talking with attempting to talk with them telepathically. It doesn't seem like it's
super successful. Like I've had two experiences where they responded back, but it's
never been in the moment it's been. I will pose a question in my
meditation, I'll say I ask just that question. So what's the deal?
You know you want to play around here? You want to run by the
house. You want to make noise, you want to, you know,
mess with me, but you don't really want to hang out or talk or
get to know me. Or I just what's the deal? What is that?
And they said, and why can't I take your picture? And they
said, because it's not what we're here about. We've lived here for billions
of years. We this is our planet as well as yours, and and
and and they come and go how they how they need to for their mission
quote unquote, I don't know what is their mission. I don't know.
But the orbs. So it's blue orbs, um, big blue orbs.
You've seen them once a month here and it will coincide often with a full
moon. So um, you know, I could see why people get all
freaked out and spooky about it. I mean, I still do. It's
terrifying, but it's still cool. It's cool. It's really interesting to me.
But it is scary. Have you ever you said that you've you've were
horrified? Um? And but do you are you more or less at peace
now with uh? With these? And what type of foods do they like?
By the way, I've just been leaving them, I asked. I
asked because I contact acted that there's a guy who's written some books about this
Kiwani lepsaritis. And I contacted him and said, okay, here's what's happening
to me. It's very similar to what I've read in some of your books.
And he said, oh, give them organic almonds in a jar.
I'm like, okay, what No, I don't even know where to find
that. So I was like, I don't think they would like that,
and so I thought, oh, well, I'll just ask, and so
in my meditation, I just said, hey, I'm going to leave you.
I was thinking apples, oranges, maybe some peaches. Would you like
those? Yes? Yes to all of those. And it took them a
while. I knew they heard me. I can't tell you how I knew.
I just knew. And then later that night, I was literally up
at three am. I was going to the bathroom, and all of a
sudden, in my head I hear, hello, honored friend. Yes on
the apples and peaches. I'm like, I mean, I got jumped out
of my skin. I was taking a pee. I'm like, oh my
god, okay, okay, apples and peaches duly noted. So that's when
I leave them. I would leave them, like every Friday I go to
the store and I would bring it back a big bang for them and hide
it in the hiding place. And that was really cool because to me,
I'm still testing. I'm like, because I don't see them often, but
you can feel them, hear them. They walk with me up and down
my mountain. I had to clear my road of rocks because it's you know,
with the rocks getting roaded over time, it's just a dirt road and
so the rocks start coming through. So I'm picking out the big ones so
people don't pop a tire. Well. They would walk with me, like
maybe fifteen feet away, but I could feel them, hear them smell,
yes, smell, and they would they would throw rocks back. They thought
it was a game. I was throwing rocks over to the side, like
get this out of here, I don't want that one there, and another
rock would come back. I'm like, from this in air, in my
point of view, I'm like, but I can hear them crackling along the
sticks with me. So so Marty, I'm putting out this post because a
lot of people feel this way. This is maybe a little harsh to hear,
but you know. I'm sorry. She's a waste of time, all
this frequency and not a bit of evidence. So what do you I mean,
it is frustrating because everyone wants evidence. It's frustrating for everyone. And
when you're saying you you decided you have just given up on trying to film
or take a picture, you've just totally given up on that. Me personally,
yes, because I'm committed to it. I'm a person in my word.
And I told them, okay, if I promise not to take your
picture, well I'm going to put cameras up here because this is a game
trail. I don't like not knowing what animals are surrounding my cabin but not
intending to take their picture. No, I promised them. They said,
no, no pictures. So all right, it's okay to me. If
people want to think I'm wacky, I don't care. I don't whatever.
It's interesting to me. It's it's interesting to me because I didn't believe in
most of this. I thought, oh, yeah, okay, sure,
sure that happened. But now when I you know, when I called the
sheriff out here, three different deputies said to me, don't worry about it.
It happens all the time out here. We understand, we've all had
our experiences. So that's good enough for me. And I am going to
have a crew come out here and see if they can get evidence. But
I bet they won't. They won't because because I have neighbor. I have
a neighbor about a mile up who comes once a year. And he came
and I told him, Hey, just FYI, there's a whole large group
like at least twenty that come and go from the mountain here, and so
just in case you hear him tonight. He's like, why would you tell
me that you're just trying to break me out. I'm like, no,
no, I was just trying to give you a heads up if you're camping
tonight. And they didn't hear or see anything. And then the next morning,
after those guys were gone, they were at my door. They throw
pine cones at my door, and like, what was that? What was
going on? Why were they here? I'm like, so I am going
to have a crew come out here. A long story long. I've got
some friends that are paranormal investigators, and I told them, I say,
you guys want to come in camp and use all your equipment and take pictures
and whatnot. That's fine because it's not me. I see. Well,
they may still know you have a connection to it. But anyway, these
gentlemen above, these gentlemen here will probably also be interested in Yeah, well
you know, I just want to add one thing to what you said there.
Uh, as far as getting evidence and things, you know, I've
found and I believe now that these experiences are are for individuals. They're they're
not They're not something you can gather evidence. If you go out trying to
gather evidence, you're you're going to have a hard time. And a lot
of these investigators they need to sort of step away from that mindset if they
want to have their own experiences. If you get away from trying to prove
it and just accept that it's real, and then I'm open to having an
interaction that it starts to happen if you, if you let it. But
going out there with the intent of I'm going to share this with the world,
it's that's not what it's for. It's for you, it's not for
the world. True. Yeah, I agree, I agree. I feel
strongly about that now too, I really do. I I hear what you're
saying sacred. It feels sacred to me. Yeah, it's a special thing
and it's okay to feel that way about it and to treat it like that.
You know, I've we've met people that have told us about these kinds
of encounters on their property or that they've had, and we're like, hey,
we're doing a documentary, can we come, you know, check it
out? And they're like, nope, we don't have anything going on.
You know, all of a sudden, they clam up and they don't want
anything to do with it. Because it does if you if you're receiving that
message correctly, it should be personal. Marty, I got a question for
you. What about footprints? Someone just said, put flower everywhere and they'll
be footprints. Don't do Don't they leave impressions in the ground. No,
I've never seen a footprint here ever. You know what I have seen.
I was sitting I have a window where you know, I'm I work from
home. I look out to Mount Adams beautiful view, and I saw ahead,
I mean, I went what I saw a big foot ahead go floating
by the window. My window is fifteen feet off the ground. So I
was like, what I mean It made me laugh really hard because they had
been throwing pine cones at the door and I wouldn't come out because I was
busy. I was working, and so they kept moving around the house and
finally they floated right by like oh, there she is. They flowed by
the window, and I went, Okay, I have to go out there
because this one is very wants to engage. And I took my dog on
a leash and he went out there and my dog wouldn't go. The dogs
like nope. Curt turned back around and ran in the house because they smell
before I did. And can you speaking of smell, what is the type?
Can you describe what the odor smells like? Yeah, it's very skunky.
Yeah, it almost smells like like a combination of pot and a yeah,
and a little bit of and pete. Yeah. Yeah, but not
as strong as because skunks last. We do have skunks here, and you
know what that smells like. Then they it's really hard to get out and
pass and smell. It just kind of comes and goes. Yes, exactly.
Well, I think the thing that's very interesting about this is you you
claim that you actually see them like disappear in front of you. Yes,
and that's one day. That's sort of how I thought. I started noticing.
I had the weird experience with the beings surrounding me that were invisible,
and I thought, and all that was odd, but I don't really know
what was that. I felt it was fast watched, but how would I
know, I don't know. And so right after that, I had the
experience of looking out the window at a tree and you know, you just
kind of stand here and look out at the view and like, oh my
god, that tree is just swaying back and forth wildly as if someone's climbing
it. And it's a giant pine tree, I mean, really tall,
and I thought, okay, how can that be happening. There's nothing,
I'm not seeing anything else, just this tree as if someone's climbing it,
and it's wildly bending to and fro, and all of a sudden, the
tree goes. It got bent way over to one side like someone's going to
sling shot off it, and it went and it slingshotted, and the guy
it was a sasquatch. It looked like a young one, black fur and
looked like, you know, a young, young, younger guy. He
went flying through the air and as he flew through the air to the next
tree over. He was flying to a tree like, I don't know,
twenty feet away, and he disappeared midair, but you could see the other
tree as he landed on it. So I saw him just for a flash
in the air and then lands on the other tree and he's disappeared, but
the tree is going whooooo. So like someone just landed on me. You
do realize that this sounds way out there, you but but I mean I
believe that you. Yeah, I believe that you believe you saw that.
I totally understandable. If I was listening to someone do this too, I'd
be like, okay, all right. Yeah. To me, we're all
in our own journey. And and so I'm thrilled about this because to me,
it this is probably one of the coolest things that's ever happened to me
in my whole life, Like, are you kidding me? I mean,
I just never thought I would physically with my own eyes and have a relationship
and communicate, Are you kidding me? I mean, this is mind blowing
to me, and I do I get choked up when I talk about it.
It's just it's very special. It's very cool, and um, I
don't care. I don't care what anyone else thinks because I just know what
I know, and it's my whole family too. It was only me and
no other family members, then I'd start doubting my insanity. So there's a
question up there for you. Have you, our other guests or family members
ever considered it something else besides bigfoot or a sasquat? I mean, is
that the only thing you think it? I mean, doesn't appear to be
anything else, but what people are claiming they're seeing, right, Okay,
well I just saw someone I saw DMT up there. No never done DMT,
never done. Iowasta, I've never done it, but one might experience
on your boards. I just wasn't looking at your board until now. Yeah,
well, don't get distracted. Yeah, tons of paranormal experiences here to
be had, just like what the guys were talking about m portal. I'm
sure that's why I've had a time slip experiences where I went to the grocery
store, came home, I didn't have a driveway to go up, and
I was just panicked, going, what in the hell it doesn't exist?
And where I was drive I drove down the freeway ten minutes past my driveway
where it should have been. There's nothing here. There was no not a
house, nothing, And this is you know, like every mile or so,
there's a house here. And so finally I'm like, well, I
know where this one neighbor is. He's about, you know, a couple
of miles down the road for me. He was there, and so I
used his driveway as a turnaround. I came back. I'm like, man,
if my driveway is not here on this this go around, I don't
know where am I am. I just in no, no man's land,
and there it was. It was there. I asked. I asked about
that in meditation, and I was told there was a meeting. We were
having a meeting, so they closed off. You know, you don't have
a where, you don't have a property. No one's allowed up here.
It's like the place disappeared. I thought, okay, like a committee.
And listen. People have seen physically seen little shadow people here like a foot
high there. We call them menahonies. And there are these small black shadow
people and you can physically seen those as myself here. I don't know what
are they. They're elementals. I believe. So is there something you see
the out of the corner of your eye, or you can look right at
it? No, no, look tryed at it. It ran right by
me. I went, I chased it. It ran upstairs and I chased
it and it flew out the window. Have seen one running out of my
car engine and I thought, okay, is that a squirrel? No?
No, was a person with legs and arms? Um that I have a
picture of a little thing with red eyes. My friend is an ORB photographer.
She comes here because she loves it, and we get all kinds of
crazy ORB photos here, and we have a picture of one of those little
black shadow people. I mean, you know, well, I'm not I'm
not going to be any big hurry to move out by you. There's too
much going on. Won't come Mom, won't come here anymore. She's too
scared of it. Yeah, yeah, I would be Uh yeah, I
maybe want to see some of those pictures. Well, you know, Maritie,
I want to tell you, it's been a real, real pleasure having
you. Boy. You've been on for I think maybe half an hour or
something, and it's it's been great. It's been really really interesting to hear
uh you know, directly from someone who's experiencing some really weird stuff. Yeah,
yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah yeah, I'm kind of
glad our paths crossed in a strange type of way kismet, But yes,
thank you very much. Okay, thanks a lot. All right, by
now, so I'm going to be opening up the lines to other callers here
and that number is going to be up on the board right here. It's
eight five five four seven two five four eight three. The lines are open
and Bill is standing by. Um, So that that was you probably weren't
expecting that tonight to have some of calling like that. You never know,
you never know. When we start talking about this, all kinds of things
happen. So yeah, that was that was great, really interesting for sure.
Yeah. Have you ever heard most of what she's talking about? I
mean, yeah about flinging flinging, the young one in the tree. Yeah
yeah, yeah, A lot of times people pretty long winded stories I heard
to tell, whether you know the source of them, but yeah, we've
heard them. People go on and on before. But there's stories of encounter
with particularly a big foot. Yeah, not totally uncommon. Yeah, and
what about um, you know, you hear other places in the world they
have different names YETI um, I forget all the different names. But they're
in almost every continent, right, Yeah, they become sort of local legends
in those areas, and and you know, the elder folks in those places
have names for these things. It's it's part of culture now, these kinds
of creatures. It's a sort of it's an archetype, you know, the
wild wise man, right or wise woman is it is a pretty pretty well
known archetype in the young sense for sure, So it's not surprising that something
it's going to show up to you will show up as something that you might
be able to interpret as the wise wild. Now you mentioned at the ranch
or wherever the land is that you go to these little animals. Is there
is there other paranormal stuff happening there as well. I don't know that we've
gotten to the bottom of all of that. I don't know that we've really
honed in on the paranormal side. Most of it has been dealing with trying
to make contact and dealing with sort of the gifting in the in the mutilation
side of it. So um, I don't mean anything. The park area
is well known for UFO, true and tons of Bigfoot reports. It's not
in our land, but in the general area. I mean, did you
say, excuse me, did you say Estes Park? Yeah? Oh,
I know right. I've been there many many times. I used to live
there. I used to love that area so early, maybe three or four
miles Stanley Hotel, the land we're on inst His Park, so you know,
yeah, I know the hotel now and everything. I know each where
you mean, yea pasta, every old building in Ste's Park. It's got
ghosts and haunted. Yeah, it's really a major paranormal hotspot. And if
you look into the literature, there's a lot of reports of UFOs people seeing
him in that area. So I mean, we're just forty acres in the
mountains, so wow. And it's isolated and we don't have anybody else running
around on it. So yeah, that's many reports from our land because they're
probably the only ones there. Beautiful, beautiful area. Love it out there.
We have Ken and he's calling from your states in Colorado. Ken,
you're live on the air. Welcome to the show. Can you're on,
Hey guys from Park Carl Hello guys, Yeah, yeah, we're listening.
Yeah, Hi, Kenny, Hi Kenny. How do you do a guy
on the first one to call you? Hi? Guys? Just this excellent
what you guys are talking about tonight I can vouce for these two gentlemen.
I love them both. The Alien Contact in iraqies will be coming out and
we're gonna talk about the ORB experience that I've had and with the ORB and
the aliens and big foots and all kinds of good stuff of this movie coming
up, so it'd be sure to watch that. And I just love these
two. They talk about the ses Park area. I had been up in
that area for about fifteen years doing investigations out of sis Park in the Rocky
Mountains and service privley to get these guys to come up and do some stuff
up there and to bring it to the audience more of the inner reactions of
this film coming up. It's gonna just be another great one that these guys
have done. So he's been a big helps us and he's sort of he's
the local bigfoot guy there. Everybody knows Kenny is the big Foot guy.
So he's been a big part in helping us kind of sort of get to
the bottom of some of this and uncover some more evidence. When you say
the word alien, I've heard heard that. What do you mean by that?
Some form of non human intelligence? Okay in general? Fair enough,
Okay, Yeah, I just wondered what that term meant you when you're using
that term. Yeah, I'm not rowing it down to any particular technology or
or any general any specific sorts of a phenomenon, but something that's non human
and it's intelligent. Because that lady we're talking to, it certainly seems that
she's interacting with something that's intelligent and interactive, probably smarter than her because it
seemed to be messing with her in some way, which is they're kind of
place and a lot of people have said that before. Yeah, hey Kenny,
have you yourself had any UFO sightings there? And yes, this park
area. Yeah, they talked about the little towns around us, all the
way from glen Haven, which is a hop in and skip away. One
particular sighting is documented where we've seen one flying over the Stanley and as it
was flying over the Stanley, it was headed towards that little town called glen
Haven and down in that area my research area. I got a phone call
not too long after that few days and I went down and did an investigation
of a mutilated goat, and I called David Plots for Missing four one one.
He came up and went and spent the day and investigated that. And
David even came out saying that he thought it was an alien connection type abduction.
And yes, there's plenty of stories around the rocky mountains of um UFOs
BC. Oh yeah, um, I love it out there. I'm trying
to remember that pass that you drive through a way above the tundra. It's
so beautiful, like fourteen Yes, that's Troil Ridge Road goes on over to
Granby and uh um that's uh yeah, so you're talking about trot Ridge Road.
Yeah, yeah, that's just just beautiful up there. Love it.
Um. So are you familiar with the stuff that was that's been going on
at our nuclear facilities, the alien contact experiences there? We just did a
short film about this guy who had in the count Yeah, Hank, I
just Smith Ken Ken, Thank you very much for the call. Thanks Kenny,
thank you, thank you all right by yeah, go ahead, go
ahead run. So, So are you familiar with the contact experiences with our
our miss fields? Yes, I had Robert Hastings on many years ago a
number of times. Yeah, yeah, fascinating stuff. Yeah, I just
did it. We just did a short film called Nukes and Aliens and Nukes
the Mario Woods Story, and he describes his contact experience there twenty ten talking
about aliens on human intelligence and nothing with electronics. They took offline the launch
facilities at least part of them. And if you Warren near Cheyenne, which
is close to Rocky Mountains in a way, and people saw UFOs over over
the missile fields at that time over Cheyenne. President Obama was informed. So
it's a real experience. And the question is, you know, are they
are they showing like, hey, we can control you anytime we want.
Are they saying We're not going to let you screw up the world by blowing
it up? Yeah, Hastings, I you too. He dedicated the movie
to Robert by the way, Yes, yeah, you know, I think
it's it really makes you wonder. I mean that that is a very fascinating
topic to me in general. But you know, what stand Friedman used to
say is the kids have found the matches, you know, and that's why
they're you know, they're trying to They've done these different interferences with warheads all
the way back since the nineteen sixties. You know when they've the first eleven
went offline. Robert Salis has been on this show a number of times and
talked about that. But you're saying the encounter in particular that you're talking about
happened in twenty ten. Is that what you said? And what exactly happened?
Can you I'm unfamiliar with that. Can you explain what happened with that
one? For roughly a half hour, the control system large the ability to
launch the missiles if they had to, they went offline mysteriously, and UFO
or UAPs were cited over the missile field and over Cheyenne by multiple people at
the same time. You know, not the spooky thing to happen. There
are earlier reports of such things before twenty ten, but this is a well
documented one. And of course, as I said, there's good indication that
Obama was informed of it. Who was president at the time? And did
do you know about the investigation after any of that? I do not.
It's all hush hush. And how about is so everything's classified? Is that
what you're saying basically pretty much. And who is the witness that spoke about
it with his name again, Oh, Mario Woods. He had another encounter
in another missile field. His mentor is Robert Hastings by the way. Uh,
he was a policeman assigned to you know, an Air Force policeman assigned
to patrolling. They're always patrolling those missile fields all the time. Twenty four
seven. Yeah, and so he had a direct encounter with a craft that
maybe abducted him, maybe not, but it picked up his vehicle and moved
it about at least twenty miles away, and he had no recollection how it
got there on the edge of a damn. It's a pretty incredible story.
Ah wow. Wow. It sounds like someone I'd want to talk to sometimes
for sure. If you want, I can give you his email. Yeah.
Yeah. So that's a film that's out there, and we just had
ken call and talk about that film. How many films on this topic do
you have? Are and you have something in post production as well? Right,
we have a new series called The Paranormal Highway. This is where we
went out to five five paranormal hotspots and did investigations and we had at least
these four or five really unusual paranormal occurrences, including some of Allen's contact experiences,
they all happen. So it seems like whatever these and non human intelligence
are, they seem to be happy with us filming and recording this stuff,
because we get stuff all the time. Like I said, when we when
that those creatures we caught on our trail camp, they're quite interesting. They're
small, but when when you see them in the trail camp, they're never
wholly there. They're kind of waffling in and out of existence as they move
around, which is kind of free Cuba. Cool. So you're talking about
this is three your trail camps. Yeah, we captured five video moving coming
out of our portal. Wow. Wow, and all all in infra red.
Yeah, right, at nighttime. It's always nice? Is it always
nighttime? It was always nice around the same time. Yeah. Yeah.
And how far are these? How far are these apart the camera? Said?
Did you have a lot of them out there? We have one camera
on our on our mutilation site, in our gifting site. Oh oh,
and that's the same site where you you found that. Any other mutilations or
was it just that that one? Surprisingly a year later, it appeared it
appeared like there were it was a thing I had been picked clean. Right,
There wasn't hardly anything left. We hadn't been up there in quite a
while. It was actually late last year, and when we did go back
up there, there was there was a what was left of a fresher carcass
there. So there was something else, but we sort of got to we
sort of missed that one almost anyway. We caught the tail end of it,
but we put the camera up again just in case. But we haven't
gone back and looked at it yet. Oh wow wow. And so you
know, we talk a lot about evidence, and you heard that woman talk
about how um the she just knows that they don't want pictures of her,
of them, she doesn't want she's not able to take pictures of them because
she told them she wouldn't or whatever. And her camera, according to her,
you know, left her hands stuff like that. Is this something that
you both have heard, you know, similar stories off. Yeah. I
learned very early on in my bigfoot investigating times that if if you have a
lot of big foot in an area and you want to get a picture,
and you put your trailcams out it's a good way to keep them away.
So we always tell people if they're scaring you put some cameras up and all
that stuff will stop. So they do seem to know when things like that
are happening. I don't know if it's just to change the environment or the
frequencies or what, but yeah, they definitely don't want their picture taken.
Bill says, what about uphologists and bigfoot researchers not working together since they want
to do separate CRYPTI from et When we think of that, well, we
definitely have been seeing a shift in that. You know, we've been going
around and speaking at different places and sharing our films, and we get larger
and larger groups of people that are interested in this connection. So I think
it's, um, it's a it's a way of thinking that's starting to shift,
and we're trying to nudge it along if we can. Yeah, and
you know, I mean I heard you. I had never heard that there
was a big foot conference until I heard you say say that earlier. A
lot of big foot conferences, is it really? Oh yeah, they're all
over the country. There are a lot of UFO conferences, right, Yes,
So we're being invited to UFO conferences, even though we're primarily bigfooters,
so they're beginning to merge, and then the Bigfoot Conference to start having us
O people, So it sifting. We're trying to be that. We're trying
to be that olive branch to sort of bring those conversations together because there's a
lot of people, you know, that come to us and say, I
saw Bigfoot, but then something weird happened, and I want to talk to
you about that because some of the other big foot guys don't want to hear
that. So, yeah, it's what I'm very interesting. Do you hear
of other weird things that kind of go along with that as well? Besides
UFOs? I mean, has anyone ever said they saw a ghost and a
big foot? I mean, yeah, we shouldn't be laughing, but did
somebody? Voices and shadow people and all those kinds of things come into play
at some point? Certainly in these things we call paranormal hotspot, there are
ghosts or every form of paranormal experiences, they're all there. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, right, And what about when things I mean, the
she mentioned this she thought she was having like missing time. Is that is
that ever mentioned at all when people are talking about this phenomenon. Oh yeah,
it happened to Alan. We had a dramatic case of that in Wisconsin.
I can tell you about it if you're interested. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, go ahead. Soll um Javitchokin. He's that big footer in the
in the in the in the southeastern Wisconsin and the Kettle Moraine. And I
told you there's this place that's scared the sweet spot next to the Beast of
Bray Road Road. Have you heard of that. It's probably one of the
best known cryptid monsters sort of yes, yes, yes, yeah yeah.
So we were there and there's a guy, a gentleman farmer who owns a
piece of property thirty five acres right next to Bray Road, and he's he's
recorded stuff on his trail camp. That's he's captured UFOs, probably pictures of
the beast, which is kind of a quause eye, you know, bigfoot
sort of thing, but kind of dog man dog manage. And so we
were we were out there, we noticed there was a spot that he wouldn't
go into. The owner of the property he says, everything weird is going
out there. So that was where we wanted to do our investigation. And
when night set up, we were let's call that the north fence. We
were on the south side, and we decided, okay, it's time to
go over to where we wanted to do our primary investigation. So me and
the camera van took our vehicle and drove around, and Alan and Jay decided
to walk across the field to the to what we thought would be the hot
spot. And as they were walking across, first of all, Jay said,
oh, turn your camera on, and he did a little interview on
camera which he said, basically, there's fear here, there's fighting, fear
and flight, and he was a kind of babbling away and it was sort
of strange, and but that was fine. And then he said turn the
camera on again, and he took a laser you know, a laser pointer.
You know what they are, you know, the laser point. So
on the on the film that Alan shot, he could see that we pulled
our truck up, we turned our lights off, and then there was a
self illuminating light right at the spot where we were going to do our investigation.
And Jay pulled out his laser and hit it, you know, pointed
at it, touched at that spot and that's all on film. We can
see him doing that, and then he walked they walked to the spot and
that's where we captured the maybe the image of the Vista Gray Road. But
later when we got back, I called up Jay and said, well,
what were you thinking when you put your laser beam on that spot? And
he had no recollection of walking across the field doing any of that, doing
the interview, and he said, normally, you know, I have photographic
memory. And he told me exactly what happened before he walked across and when
he arrived on the other side, but he had no recollection of how that
happened. He said, Yeah, it's kind of strange because Lie said he
saw us on his trailcam, the owner of the property, and they said,
well, I don't quite remember that. So he had no memory.
So he so he wont some point maybe he was abductive, who didn't heck
knows, But isn't that sounds strange? Very very Bill just posted something and
I think is do people actually try to hunt Bigfoot, you know, to
kill him? Yeah, there are people that believe that's the way to to
sort of bring this to the forefront, is to bring a body back that's
that's horrible. I think, yeah, that is. I mean, especially
if they're there possibly whatever they are seemed very intelligent. I'm not especially I
mean every you know, every has really but still I just think that almost
sounds criminal. Um here's another question. Do you do you too think that
the government might be covering up some evidence of Bigfoot, just like they do
similar to eats or UFOs. I think it's possible. I think there's enough
um, you know, known stories out there to suggest that that maybe happened
in some to some degree. You know, we don't really know what happened
out in the skin Walker ranch either, when when the government was sort of
toying around there. So there's there's a lot of secrets they have on those
things. I think now, did they actually say I read the book that
George nappin, I can't remember where it's wrote on skin Walker, But did
they actually say they saw a creature like Bigfoot? I know they saw cryptids
of different types of large dogs of wolf and you know, things like that,
But they did they actually see a big Foot like creature? Do you
know? Yeah? I don't know for sure, and you know, I
don't know how some of it was interpreted either. So yeah, huh so
can I Yeah, the image of the creature, one of the creatures that
came through our portal. This is the way to do that. Are you
do you know how to screen share down below at the bottom of the thing.
You would just be on my I'd hold up my cell phone and stick
it in front of the camp. Okay, sure, we'll give it a
try. Yeah, go ahead. You're gonna have to do a little better
than that, I think. Okay, uh, you know, if you
could, we still have you know, fifteen minutes, if you have a
way to email that picture to me, I will put that up for everyone
to see. So there with a head and the tail. You can see
it, but I can't really make it out. So if you don't mind,
if you can figure out a way to email that to me, or
if you have that same image alan and you're able to do that quickly,
you feel free to eat send an email and I'll pull put that up for
everyone. Yeah. I do have it somewhere, but not handy. Yeah.
Okay, uh, well, I'll tell you what, why don't you
do this? Yeah, you try. If you can't do it, then
try to get it to me. And I'll put it in the in the
show notes for everyone. And what do you mean later? Oh? No,
yeah, if you can just send me an email right now. If
you can't, then um, then I will do. I will put it
in the show notes for everyone to see. I will try. What's what
I showed earlier the Patterson Uh gimmel. I think it's called yeah, And
what are your you know, I mentioned to you what I thought about it
because of you know what I've heard about. I saw a guy process here
it is playing again. It's stabilized and colorized, but I saw, you
know, someone take it frame by frame and the and then show side by
side the human anatomy and how it just didn't work. Okay, I think
I got that email, so I will. I will get that up on
the screen. I see it. It's not it's not totally clear, but
I see I see something. But I'll get that up on the screen.
Thank you. But so, what do you think about that film in particular?
Either one? Do you want to talk? So I've not sat down
and analyzed the film, but that was one of the pieces of evidence that
you know, interested me in this subject to begin with, and since then
I've heard a lot of people talk about it, and I've I've met Bob
Gimlin before and and he's one of the most you know, stand up guys
I've met. So I have no reasons to doubt it, and and I
sort of I sort of hold that video in high regard. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's one that has kind of stood up to scrutiny. As far
as I know, no one's ever been able to debunk it. Yeah,
yeah, so far. This is the image that they're talking about. Now,
I can't really I'm trying to make exactly what I'm seeing, but I
see something And what what do you think you're seeing there? In this image?
So there's a head on the left hand side, and then there's a
neck and then, like I said, the creature. This is a screen
graph from one particular frame of the trail cam right, but you're actually seeing
Are you actually seeing this thing move in? Then? Yeah, it moves
off to the left side of the and off the out of frame. Yeah,
is it is? It doesn't have a gait like a typical animal.
It's hard to say because it's never quite all there. You can see that
it's missing like the like it's not all there like it's like you might say,
it's interesting happening happened one world, happened another and that's the way they
were in general, just kind of swimming through the frame that way, kind
of waffling in and out of existence by moving in the frame itself as well.
But it looks like a pig sheet kind of animal. But it's small.
It's about the size of a large healthcat maybe. Okay, So for
those of you who are listening to the audio podcast that will be in the
show notes, you just click that and the below the text on any app
you're listening to the show that'll be there. I'll put that in there tonight.
So but you are you actually releasing this in a film and one of
your upcoming videos that are coming out, Yeah, yelling in contact in the
Rockies. We actually show how we resolved and you can see the dome shape
from which it emerged in the mutilated year that showed up at the site you
know that triggered it all and Ellen running around measuring the electromagnetic distortions and all
that. It's all there. Now. The thing you were talking about,
we had a bunch of questions. You called it a ram I don't know
what you call ram not. It sounds like it's a rampore pod. Someone
wanted to know if you could describe that exactly what it was in the shape
of it and all that stuff. Yeah, it's around piece of paranormal equipment,
fairly fairly small. Um. It's made out of some like round PVC
pipe, UM. And then it's got it's got some very large LEDs around
the top. And uh, it's a little chrome antenna that sticks up and
that antenna emits the EMF field. And when you interact with that EMF field.
UM, depending on how close you get through the antenna, the lights,
the frequency of the lights, Um, they speed up and then they
change colors and in the audible tone gets higher the more intense that interaction is.
So we use that device in areas that are that that you just sort
of set it out there in in open space, and um, it starts
to take measurements and in the lights start to move. And and how often
does something happen with it? Not very often a lot of times we don't
have anything happening. So UM, when it starts going off, we usually
pay attention to It's it's not not that sensitive advice. Oh interesting, Well,
so where can someone find like they want to? Do you have a
website or something? Where can they find you and find what you're up to?
Um, well, we're working on all that stuff right now. I
guess some YouTube channel. Yeah, you can look me up on Facebook.
I have a public profile page there. Um. I just launched the National
Paranormal Network on YouTube, so you can search for National Paranormal Network. I'm
starting to release some films there and we have a lot of other videos and
then a lot of our other films are also on YouTube that you can look
up my name. Yeah, most of our films have regular distributorything. We
don't control what happens to them in a way. Yeah. So like the
big footing in a Connection revealed is it's on twov It's on YouTube, It's
on Amazon Prime, son Comcast Download, and a couple other ones like Pluto.
I don't even know them all, but so so I really don't control
that that part of it. The distributor doesn't. And on the Alien Contact
and the Rockies will also have DVDs will be made as well as the digital
presence on the more streaming platforms, but until they're released. I really don't
know what they're gonna do exactly right, Yeah, I understand all that.
Well, Thank you both very much. It was a real pleasure. It
was really something different for the show. And but I really appreciate you coming
on and talking talking to us. And I also want to thank Marty for
calling in from Washington as well. Thank you both very much. Thanks,
that's all right, take care all right everyone, So that is it for
the show this evening. Next week we have run ferber On and thank you
all, and I appreciate you're watching and hanging in for this show tonight,
and we'll see you next week at the same time. And remember to keep
your eyes to the sky.