WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.480 Hi, everyone, Welcome back to the nonprofits. So now for our next 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:11.039 article, we are going to Michigan Hamtrammac, Michigan to be exact where the 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:17.079 Michigan City bands pride flags and other symbols on city property. This article comes 4 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.760 front comes to us from m Alive, written by Matt Dirt. Do you 5 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:27.160 r R? On June fourteenth of twenty twenty three. Now, what happened 6 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.079 was is that? Um? I think it was last Tuesday. Um, 7 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:37.439 the Hamtrack City kind of voted unastionally to ban pride flax and other symbols that 8 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.000 could be flown on city hall and other state property. Now you might be 9 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.840 saying to yourself, so why would they ban the trap the pride flag? 10 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:48.359 You know it's Pride and month. You know, you know there should be 11 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.799 pride flax everywhere. Let's celebrate diversity. Well, can do that in Hamtrack. 12 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.600 Can do it? You know why? Because it is promoting an agenda 13 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.520 that has nothing to do with the state legislator. Now you would think that, 14 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.959 okay, that makes sense. But if the mayor hadn't run on an 15 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.079 anti lgbt Q plus platform, maybe this would it have happened. And I 16 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.680 like to point out. I bet there's queer people working in government and Hamtrack, 17 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.879 Michigan that would like to be, you know, known that they're included 18 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.879 in a part of you know, their town, and that they are and 19 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:30.200 they are a welcome member within their society. So we're going to move to 20 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:36.920 the panel, and I'm sure that my wonderful UM co hosts have more to 21 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.200 say, So s R. I would like to hear your opinion on this. 22 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.640 Yeah, So this is this is a very interesting story to me, 23 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.239 UM, and I hope we I hope we include the the other article that 24 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:56.280 Kelly got for us, because when Kelly had thoughts on the last articles journalism 25 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.799 that we had talked about the last time we were together, I have my 26 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:05.560 thoughts on this one as well. So it from this article alone, it's 27 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.759 a little confusing to me as to why they would say it's banning the Pride 28 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:15.879 flag. It very much seems to be as if they're trying to do exactly 29 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:21.000 the thing that a lot of secularists asks, right, they say, hey, 30 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.280 if you put up a Christian thing, then you either got to put 31 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:28.759 up a Muslim thing and a Satanist thing or nothing. Um, but Kelly, 32 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.080 you've been following this a little bit more as this is kind of closer 33 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:36.400 to home to you. So why why is that not exactly the case with 34 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:42.000 Yeah, that is exactly not the case with this. The City Hall of 35 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.919 ham Trammick did actually once fly a Pride flag. They threw one for Pride 36 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.080 months and the current mayor, who is a Muslim, I'm gonna I'm gonna 37 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:58.719 get to that later, he ran and made this one of the main things 38 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.639 of his campaign that there was no longer going to be any Pride flags flown 39 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:07.400 at city Hall or and we're over any other government property. And when they 40 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.520 brought this with the city that he brought it to the city council, the 41 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:15.800 city council agreed, and that's when they realized the legal ramifications of it, 42 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.520 that they couldn't just ban the Pride flag, they had to ban all the 43 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.800 flags. So just to ban one flag, they decided to ban them all. 44 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:28.319 And that's the way that turned out, Helen. Do you want to 45 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.599 take it? Oh, I'm sorry, Raphael. Yeah, it's interesting. 46 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:36.639 Um, they definitely, I don't know who's the smart one in planning these 47 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.479 things. They definitely knew what they were doing. Like you said, Kelly, 48 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:43.960 it's like ban it all, just just destroy you know, every flag 49 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.919 known to man except for like there are a few exceptions that they included. 50 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:52.159 So I don't know. It's the more I looked into this city, which 51 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.680 I'm not going to try to say, the more it was it was very 52 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.800 interesting for me that was like a Muslim majority city, the only one in 53 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.120 the United States at least according to Wikipedia. So it's like it there seems 54 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:08.639 to be a trend towards what they're trying to get done in this little city. 55 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:12.960 And I to me, it's a problem because, like Helen said in 56 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.840 the beginning, it's like it's not taking care of the minorities. You know, 57 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.879 it's like there's a majority of this religion or whatever, and that's who 58 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:23.800 they're playing too. They're not you know, I'm sure there are lgbt QI 59 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.199 people there. I'm sure there's other religious people there, and you know, 60 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.160 it's kind of just being you know, those people are not being considered, 61 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.720 and that's that would be my problem with bills like this. But I will, 62 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.279 like I said, I guess I'm not totally against it. If we're 63 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.120 going to ban everything, it's hard for me to argue on some levels of 64 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.680 that, Helen, she got so to kind of piggyback off of that. 65 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.240 I would be actually all for this if he has said, you know, 66 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.519 we're you know, to make sure everything's equal under the law. We're going 67 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.319 to just fly you know, the American flag, you know, and the 68 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.439 state capital flag or whatever it was, you know, but instead decided to 69 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.439 make it a point to be to be a bigot against queer people, and 70 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.160 that was one of the points of his campaign, which gives me. So 71 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.639 the settlers to me is like, well, yes, I think that all 72 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.360 things should be equal under the law. You know, like, as far 73 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.959 as private property goes, you can fly whatever you want, even if it's 74 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.920 like a Confederate flag. I might hate it. I might think you're terrible. 75 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.639 You have the right to fly it on Stay property. I'm like, 76 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.160 yeah, just keep it to Stay symbols, you know, the American flag. 77 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.759 I'm fine. But the fact that he used his bigger tree to run 78 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.319 run this idea through the council and to give votes and through his legend to 79 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:40.560 his constituence. It worked. And this is the type of thing too, 80 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:46.000 when people use laws, especially that are it's a bigger tree. Laughed wrapped 81 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.519 in freedom's clothing, you know, and he's trying to make it about like, 82 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.560 no, I'm trying to I'm going to try to be completely legal under 83 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:58.279 the law, but really it's a target minorities, which is very, very 84 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:06.920 disgusting. So I just call you got word. Yeah, he First off, 85 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.680 I want to tell everybody don't think of Michigan as ham trammic just it's 86 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.839 not. Michigan has come a long way since the last election. We've been 87 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.560 passing a lot of really awesome laws, Really progressive things have been happening in 88 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:26.120 Michigan. So we we have we just reelected our first lesbian Attorney general. 89 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.879 So she's and she was reelected and she's awesome. So don't think of Michigan 90 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.600 as being real backwards because we are fighting back against this stuff here. But 91 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.519 one of the problems I had with this law, and I still am really 92 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.680 up in the air about it, what would happen. It says specifically you 93 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.079 can't fly it on a city flagpole. So I'm wondering if you brought your 94 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.839 own flagpole. Like let's say I was a member of the VFW and we're 95 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:54.240 having our local picnic at the city park and we bring our own flagpole and 96 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.199 fly a VFW flag, which would be illegal according to this law. Would 97 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.879 it be okay because we brought our own flagpole, I'm wondering about that, 98 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.480 or or would the city just kind of turn a blind eye to you know, 99 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:11.319 it's the VFW. They're okay. But then if we had a Pride 100 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.600 get together at the city park and brought our own flagpole, would they turn 101 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:17.959 a blind eye to a Pride flag? Then? I'm not sure that they 102 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.800 would. I'm really not so. Um, I don't know. I don't 103 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.160 know where to go with the law. It's kind of really funky to me. 104 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:27.800 Sor you want to add something to it, Yeah, I do. 105 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.920 I do think it is. I think it's odd, honestly. Um. 106 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.759 Again, when I when I initially came across this story, one of the 107 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.759 first things that stood out to me was that Flint, Michigan, had had 108 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.360 also enacted a law very similar to this, if not exactly the same, 109 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.399 just a handful of years ago. Um. And I don't remember hearing much 110 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.480 at the time, although I sure could have and then and just it's just 111 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.879 that we're living in more or less dystopian hellscape right now. So it's just 112 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:01.199 always just bad stuff. But um, this, it seems it does seem 113 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.600 odd to me. I think if you're trying to come at this from a 114 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:09.720 purely legalistic, you know, standpoint, what it what it technically bands is 115 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:16.879 any religious, ethnic, racial, political, or sexual sexual orientation group flags. 116 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.399 And that's odd to me because I don't think of each of those groups 117 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.040 as the same, right I just if because if it was, if it 118 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.720 was all, if it just said hey, no religious symbols of any kind, 119 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.000 well it's like, okay, well that that includes all the different types 120 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.720 of religion and out there. Okay, that's fair, Okay, fine, 121 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.799 Um, but I don't I don't exactly understand the pairing of for instance, 122 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:48.759 like ethnic flags with sexual orientation flags, just out of curiosity, and I 123 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.200 maybe I feel like I should know this. But are there just like hundreds 124 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.840 of thousands of sexual orientation flags or isn't it kind of just like the sands 125 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.399 non binary, Like there's a few a few, but not like but you 126 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:09.639 haven't know like this speciality like I'm probably mail flag. I haven't guess there's 127 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:16.840 a flag and a bisexual flag and like a few. But the reason why 128 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:22.039 we have the pride flags, so we don't have twenty twenty different flags flag 129 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:28.159 right like this is everything seems like it kind of like if that category did 130 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.200 it really is just saying no pride flag right like, at least in that 131 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.440 spot. From what I understood that what they what they made illegal was any 132 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:43.919 flag that wasn't a government flag, right or the pow m I a flag. 133 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.960 They made one exception, right, which again I think I understand that 134 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.919 exception. I think I think we can understand that exception. Um, what 135 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.720 what do you think on this, Raphael? Are we just off base? 136 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.960 Like is does it make sense to ban ethnic and racial flags but then allow 137 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.480 how flags to be flown from other countries? Does that make sense? I 138 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.600 mean, the whole thing's nuts and just not well thought out. The only 139 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.399 thing I can think of with the like flags from other countries is if you 140 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.360 have like a diplomat visiting your city, you may want to fly something in 141 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.639 that case to like honor them. Well, I said, the whole thing, 142 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.320 like banning all this stuff is just ridiculous and silly, And I just 143 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.960 to like pop back to what Kelly was saying about, like how is this 144 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.399 gonna be inforced? You know, you're in a park because you know, 145 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.559 I can't read minds, but I'm gonna guess those. You know, there's 146 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.759 a lot of people who are gonna just cops are gonna pass them by, 147 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.559 you know, but God forbid you put up that Pride flag on your own 148 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.600 post in a park, you know. So it's like, I would be 149 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:50.080 really interesting to see how this laws and forts, because usually when I see 150 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.600 these types of laws, they're not well thought out. They start banning things 151 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.480 they by accident that fall under some definition of what they're trying to ban. 152 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.279 And in this case, I'm sure that's gonna happen. We're gonna it's it's 153 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.919 either the laws either are going to be totally useless that's never enforced, or 154 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.960 it's gonna be like targeted enforced on whatever the cops that day want to deal 155 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.840 with. Yeah, we're seeing the book bands backfiring already with the Bible bands, 156 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.720 right, Yeah, exactly sounds sounds great to me. We don't need 157 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.000 a kids reading that smut. Helen, what what do you what do you 158 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.639 think about this? Is? Is there a better solution? Is there something 159 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:31.399 else that we could do that also like protects everybody but also just doesn't give 160 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.840 you know, the Christian nationalists a whole bunch of because I think we all 161 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.799 like the no religious flags on the government, like right, like that's cool, 162 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.360 um, But if it comes with this, I don't, I don't. 163 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.279 I don't know. Maybe maybe the remedy is worse than I don't think 164 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.399 they're like, yes, like I think the I think this is gonna backfire 165 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.200 because it will. Um, because this is the this is the problem with 166 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.960 law. The state legislators right now. They keep putting all these you know, 167 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.039 they keep writing on these bills and they want them pass really quickly, 168 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.799 and then they get implemented, and then the public, you know, because 169 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.720 we live in a free society and the majority of people don't like a lot 170 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.240 of this stuff that's happening. It starts biting him in the ass because guess 171 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.360 what, just because you're a hateful person doesn't and you think that it's going 172 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.840 to get you votes the majority of the people. And this is why we 173 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.720 have the constitution. We fight against tyranny and bad ideas and we want to 174 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.480 say, hey, you know what, I don't like this, and I'm 175 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.759 gonna make a stink about it. If you're gonna you know, ban books 176 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.360 or tell people that they can't fly certain flags and anything and anything like that, 177 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.240 and I agree, like I don't, like, I don't know what 178 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.519 the balance is because like I mean, my kind of thing is that, 179 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.279 you know, the private flag isn't a religion, it's just who we are. 180 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:46.399 So I'm kind of like, you know, so for me, I'm 181 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.480 kind of it's on an ideology. It's how we exist. But if we're 182 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.440 going, if you want to be guanda the law, we only fly like 183 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.559 vibrant flags and the safe flag, you know, I'm you know, I'm 184 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.039 fine, but don't wrap it and this like you know, we're I'm going 185 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.519 to appeal to the Christian nationalists and you know that sort of thing, because 186 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.799 that just looks gross, because like you're gonna get some Yahoo that's gonna like 187 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.120 want to bay on, like the Black Lives Matter flag or something like that, 188 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.679 because that's what's gonna happen. Because as soon as someone starts doing one 189 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.600 thing that's hair full and terrible, it has a snowball effect and people like 190 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:26.559 to be jerks, so you know, and that's my concern because whenever, 191 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.440 whenever presidents gets set and people think that it's okay to be a butthead other 192 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.720 buttheads follow it, and that's instead of why can't we just be honest and 193 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.799 say, you know what, we're just gonna just have you know, this 194 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.120 is you know, this is state government property, especially at like you know, 195 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.759 like city halls and things like that. We're just gonna fly you know, 196 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.960 the stay flat the American flag, you know, the stay flag and 197 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.919 you know, a badwards flag. I'm that's fine, I'm okay with that, 198 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.679 you know, but don't don't do this. Don't do this hateful like 199 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.679 you know, bigotry, grossness. You know, it's it's a bad look. 200 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:07.600 It's a bad look Michigan. Just Tam Trammick. I'm telling defender State 201 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:16.679 Kelly. You know, one of the things I wanted to point out. 202 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.679 I mentioned the Muslim that the mayor was Muslim. The entire city council is 203 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.559 Muslim. There's not a there's not a single non Muslim on the city council. 204 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:30.200 And m one of the council members, Nahem Chowdery, came right out 205 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:35.440 and he said it directly, quote unquote, we want to respect the religious 206 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.559 rights of our citizen. Now, this was a bunch of Muslims passing a 207 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.840 law based on their religion. And does anybody remember a few years ago when 208 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.399 everybody on the right was freaking out about Sharia law being passed in the United 209 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:54.720 States, Remember that this is it. This is Shariah law being passed in 210 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.720 the United States. And I am willing to bet that not a single person 211 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.240 on the far right right has a problem with this law as it stands and 212 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.679 its own merit, I'd be willing to lay money on for sure. And 213 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.679 it just goes to show that the people who are really yelling about Charaia law, 214 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.080 if they really knew what it was they before it. Yeah, and 215 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.879 it it definitely was that. That was something that really really stood out to 216 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.879 me. M And I've seen more and more of this um over the last 217 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.799 handful of months as i've I've worked more in these spaces that are that are 218 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:35.279 more globally focused and stuff UM and I've seen a handful of fairly conservative Islamists 219 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:41.360 that are partnering, uh, not only with the Christian nationalists, but unfortunately 220 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.039 some some moderate you know, people in the middle as well. And that's 221 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:52.919 frustrating because at its core, unfortunately, Islam is a hateful bigoted religion, 222 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.159 just like Christianity and all of these others are. And and so I hope 223 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.879 that this is a moment that that more of us in this country will say, 224 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.440 not not that we're cutting off our our Muslim citizens, not that we're 225 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:12.320 cutting off our Muslim brothers and sisters and neighbors know, but that this is 226 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.279 a time to cut off Islam because Islam is the problem, not Muslims, 227 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.240 just like Christianity is the problem. Really that's the core. Um, Raphael, 228 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.320 what what do you think on this? Um? Do we need to 229 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:29.600 do? We need to be raised in arms about sharia law in Michigan? 230 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.240 Um, I mean that city is definitely uh seems to be costs were concern, 231 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.759 especially when you look at um, you know, what's happened in certain 232 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.919 European countries where large you know, sections of cities are just uh, you 233 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.480 know, pretty much majority Muslim. And in theory, I don't have a 234 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:51.840 problem with majority Muslim or majority Christian and majority anything. It's how they enact 235 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.519 their laws, how they interact with people who don't share their views, because 236 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.240 it's like pride flags aren't hurting those people's uh religious freedom. You know, 237 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:07.279 they already have lots of Muslim friendly aspects of their city to begin with, 238 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.119 you know, without banning this flag, it's they're already has special treatment from 239 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.000 the research I've seen. But at the same time, I also know, 240 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.119 like I've worked in science for a long time, I've had lots of colleagues 241 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.039 who are Muslim. It's like most of them, a lot of the ones 242 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.319 I've worked with, I don't know. It's because they have science backgrounds wouldn't 243 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.319 be taking this hardline a lot of these issues, you know. So it's 244 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:33.759 like there is a very you know, there is a balance of people in 245 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.599 charge of things, not just pushing all their religious baggage on the rest of 246 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.119 the city. You know. That's my thing. It's like you could have 247 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.759 a whole city council and a Muslim mayor, but they have to be speaking 248 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:51.079 for the everyone in that city and not just you know, the majority religion 249 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.000 in there. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great point to end 250 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.920 on, because again, we shouldn't just have any religion whatsoever pushing their stuff. 251 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.480 So thanks so much for watching and listening, folks, And if you 252 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.680 want to hear more from the nonprofits, click here.