WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.120 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.080 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.160 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.960 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest encryptids and other 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.120 things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.000 I've personally become involved with The Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is 7 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:27.960 a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast 8 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.119 platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I 18 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:36.560 know aka Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Addison. Hey, 19 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.760 Folcus, and welcome back to Sasquatch. I thank you so much for clicking 20 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.000 play. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week. 21 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.200 We have two amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, 22 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.319 I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd 23 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.480 like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get 24 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.239 me at Brian at Panamaworldproductions dot com. Can head over to the website and 25 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.319 check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As 26 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.040 I said, we've got not one, but two great guests on the show 27 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:05.159 today. I got to sit down with Todd and Doug out in California. 28 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.479 They've had some really cool experiences out there while they've been looking for Sasquatch, 29 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:12.120 and the main reason that they're here is to talk about this amazing track way 30 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.360 that they found earlier this year. So I'm going to let them tell you 31 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.039 all about that. If you want to see the video that we talk about. 32 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.039 Make sure you head over to Paranimal World Productions dot com check out the 33 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.159 sasquatch Odysie blog at the top of the page and you can watch the seventeen 34 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.000 minute video that we talk about. And I'll have all the pictures that they 35 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.520 sent me of this amazing track way posted over there for you guys to take 36 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.560 a look at real quick. Before we get into this with Todd and Doug. 37 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:36.960 I'm actually on my way up to Radium, BC, Canada for my 38 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.199 Todd Standing Bigfoot expedition, so I will be gone over the next seven days 39 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.759 or so. But fear not, We're going to post shows and you guys 40 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.840 will have their regular shows. I've got them all loaded up and ready to 41 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.840 post on Friday, Wednesday and Sunday as always. In the meantime, we 42 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.479 are going to post the first five episodes of that Bigfoot podcast, the new 43 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.599 podcast that Wayne and I are doing together. We've got the teaser up now. 44 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.280 You guys should have already heard that, but if you haven't went over 45 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.159 and followed the show or subscribe to the show, make sure you do that 46 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.919 because we're gonna drop the first five episodes of that show on October thirteenth, 47 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.439 and you definitely don't want to miss that, so make sure you follow the 48 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.360 show. You can also follow that show on Instagram at that Bigfoot podcast. 49 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:17.080 We'll be posting some updates over there as well. But enough of that. 50 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.520 I know you guys are ready to get into this big Foot track way. 51 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.000 Todd and Doug are on the line. They're ready to go, so you 52 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:47.919 gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. FoST want to welcome our 53 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:52.080 guests to the show. It is Todd and Doug. Welcome to the show, 54 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.400 guys. Thank you, thank you very much. I'm glad to have 55 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.240 you both. So we're gonna go around the horn here, and I'm gonna 56 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.520 start with Todd. Since you're in the top of the clock right now, 57 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.319 let's talk about sasquatch Man. What guy you interested in the subject? To 58 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.080 begin with? When I was younger, and I'll started with the P and 59 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:15.479 G film in search of all those documentaries and stephan as the old letn't need 60 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.240 more eas things. And and then when I started to we walked throughs. 61 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.800 I read books when I was younger. It wasn't until I got older well 62 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.800 yet, and the internet came out, and then there was all kinds of 63 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:30.480 stuff on Bigfoot, and I did a lot of research online behind the computer. 64 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.199 But once I moved up here to Humboldts, that's when I started really 65 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:43.120 going out, was Doug and not really doing research in the local mountains, 66 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.680 in the local areas. We're definitely going to get to some of your research, 67 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.120 and I know you guys have some really cool stuff to talk about, 68 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.360 but before we get there, Doug, same question for you, man, 69 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.120 what got you interested in the subject. Was it pretty much the same thing 70 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.639 the general typical things that you were seeing, or was it an experience that 71 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.639 you had. I would say for me, I was a kid when I 72 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.360 saw the P ANDNG film, living in El Paso, Texas, and I 73 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:11.040 was always fascinated with the West Coast because my grandmother my parents originally were from 74 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:16.279 Oregon and so my grandmother on my mom's side lived in Willala, So I 75 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:21.199 was always fascinated with the mountains. Saw the P and G film. Even 76 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:26.199 in El Paso, they had a so called sighting of something called the Horizon 77 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.680 City Monster, but I was so involved in sports and other things, I 78 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.759 just forgot about it. And I even came up here to northern California in 79 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:38.040 nineteen seventy nine, which I've lived here off and on since then. I 80 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.199 even forgot that this film had taken place so close to here. I had 81 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.480 heard different things, but I became an avid backpacker, so over the years 82 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.680 I've just had some kind of strange experiences out in backpacking with my family, 83 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.680 solo and other times. When Todd came here, I told him just some 84 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:00.920 of the experiences I had, and we decided to just go out looking for 85 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.319 Bigfoot. Let's talk a little bit about that, Todd. You mentioned that 86 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.360 you guys had been out in the woods and researching together. What kind of 87 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:10.319 research are you doing, What kind of areas are you guys going into, 88 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.720 and what kind of experiences are you having? The research word not that experiences 89 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.759 as far as researchers, but we go out, we have a firm wall 90 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:25.720 camera, we go out camping, and we just do some midnight hikes and 91 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.079 listen, and we also do a lot of day trips in the mountains. 92 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.879 Like I said, we're not super experience, but we do camp a lot, 93 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:36.800 and we do go out in the woods a lot. So we're out 94 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:42.759 in the woods and number of times a year. So we do have the 95 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.439 experience of being out in the woods and knowing the area, and we started 96 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.800 to concentrate last few years in a certain area, and we've had some good 97 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:57.800 success. Let's talk about the experiences that you guys are having, and success 98 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.240 is a subjective word, right, so let's talk a little bit about some 99 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.600 of the things that you've experienced in any evidence that you guys might have been 100 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:10.399 finding and collecting out there. But when that led up to the track weave 101 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.079 find we were basically in the same area, just a few miles away. 102 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:21.000 We had gone down this road. We got about shit, maybe a couple 103 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.639 of miles in, but we couldn't go no further because of snow. But 104 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.120 we got out and we hyped in probably another mile and a half or so. 105 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.680 Dug had mentioned this area that we passed, how it looked like it 106 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.720 was a good spot for a predator to be in. So we're hyping back 107 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:42.199 down and we get to that same spot and I'm not sure if I heard 108 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.800 something, but I looked up through that same spot and I saw an animal 109 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.680 going between two bushes. I saw brown furs split seconds, but gravel started 110 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:58.560 coming down from the hillside because it was probably about a thirty foot ledge and 111 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.600 we saw that the gravel come down, and then the tree had up under 112 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.439 snore and it started shaking aggressively, just shaking, and then it walked off. 113 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.519 We heard it maybe three or four footsteps that day. We also right 114 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.279 after that we heard a couple knocks, and then we went ahead and left. 115 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.000 And then that on April thirtieth, when we came back up to that 116 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.360 same area, that's when we found the tracks. Before we get into the 117 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:28.399 track away, I want to go back to Doug for a second, and 118 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.679 you mentioned some experiences you had had solo backpacking and some of the things that 119 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.159 you had experienced out backpacking with your family. Let's talk a little bit about 120 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.200 those experiences and get an idea of what you had experienced before we get into 121 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.559 the trackway, because I think we'll spend most of our time there. Okay, 122 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.279 I've, like I mentioned before, I've been backpacking since I was sixteen 123 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.120 years old. I used to backpack in New Mexico, and of course when 124 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:58.519 I moved out with my dad to California after our parents divorce. I lived 125 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.080 in southern California at the time, so I hiked Sangregonio Mountain, San Jacinto 126 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:07.960 Mountains had some great times. That's one of the reasons I probably came up 127 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.039 here to Humboldt State University. It's now known as cal Poly. I was 128 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:16.759 gonna dive into becoming a forest ranger because that's what I wanted to do. 129 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.080 I ended up getting married, but I've been an apted backpacker. My ex 130 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.840 wife she actually got to where she enjoyed backpack and we'd take the kids and 131 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.440 we would just have weird experiences. A lot of times you'd hear chatter, 132 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:35.799 you hear like people talking, but you couldn't understand it. And we were 133 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.919 all over the Trinity Alps. We've been in the Marble Mountains. So that 134 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.879 was some of the early experiences. And then when my son had grown up 135 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.879 and was married, him and his brother, his wife and another friend actually 136 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.600 had an experience at a lake and the Trinity Alps. It's known as Bear 137 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.679 Lake. And it's so funny because there's been a couple of different beare lakes 138 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.759 we've been to. You'll hear one's in the Siskis, one's in the Trinity 139 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.639 Opps. He actually had a sighting in the middle of the night, and 140 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.879 he was on finding Bigfoot because of it, because it walked into the camp 141 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.120 at two in the morning, full moon, couldn't sleep, they didn't have 142 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.960 a fire that night, and he saw and smelt it and it picked up 143 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.440 his pack he had it hanging up in the tree, picked up his pack, 144 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.799 unzipped it because he had it just hanging on a tree limb, and 145 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.799 he yelled, hey. He was so scared. He knew he should have 146 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.399 done something, but he just didn't know what to do because it was so 147 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:33.799 scary. And when he said hey, it dropped it on the tent, 148 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.039 woke everybody up, and you couldn't get prints there because it was on granite 149 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:45.120 because that particular lake is surrounded by granite. And it's interesting too because just 150 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.519 before dusk his other friend said, I saw something huge across the lake. 151 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:52.799 I don't know what it was, and my son had said, was it 152 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.000 a bearer? And he goes, I don't know what it was, but 153 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.440 it scared me and I don't want to go over there, because he wanted 154 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.000 to go check it out. So that ended up landing them on the Animal 155 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:07.759 Planet finding Bigfoot. So he had that experience. We've just heard these things 156 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.159 over the years, there's a big fire breakout, which incidentally, we'd probably 157 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.679 be squatching a lot more right now. But we've had so many fires in 158 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:20.879 the very areas that we want to go, so we're picking some alternative areas 159 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:28.039 here shortly that are where no fires are. So that really got us interested. 160 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.759 And we've heard tree knocks, we've just heard weird things. And then 161 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.799 another experience which Todd will have a further experience in this particular location. This 162 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:43.639 is after my divorce. But in twenty fourteen, I went with a friend 163 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.679 to Bear Lake in the Sisky Wilderness. It's two lakes. There's an upper 164 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:52.440 lake and the lower lake, very remote. Not many people go there backpacking. 165 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:58.399 And he brought his dog, Amos. His name the owner of the 166 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.919 dog is Bob Smith. So Bob Smith and I went backpack. And I'm 167 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.480 getting this straight because some got confused about the son some other podcasts. So 168 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.519 Bob Smith and I were backpacking. His dog, Amos, was coming with 169 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.840 us, an old basset hound, and he was going pretty slow. So 170 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.240 Bob said, I'm just going to stay with Amos. We'll just we'll catch 171 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.320 up later. So I waited and waited. I got to the lake, 172 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.000 and finally he showed up and his dogged it. So I went looking for 173 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.039 him. I said, hey, I didn't see for so a mountainline didn't 174 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.440 get him. I think he's okay. Maybe we went back to your truck. 175 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.240 Maybe he said forget this and went back to the truck, which in 176 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.679 the end was the case. So the next morning he was still worried about 177 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:45.399 his dog, and he decided to go looking for his dog. And I 178 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:50.399 was there at the lake and I was actually reading a book by David Politis 179 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.080 on the Hoop Hop Project, and I had binoculars and there was a bunch 180 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.799 of deer grazing across the lake. And at this time there was a thick 181 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.600 grove of trees. Now unfortunately a fire has burnt most of that, but 182 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.919 anyway, I just know s these deer were acting extra weird, because deer 183 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:15.120 are always very suspicious and they look up and any sound. But they were 184 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.320 acting extra weird. And all of a sudden, I just heard this loud 185 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:24.799 roar and I heard limbs breaking, and it just freaked me out because that 186 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.799 was no bear. That roar that went forth. It was so loud, 187 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.320 and you could just hear something huge going after those deer, and some of 188 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.840 the deer swam into the lake. So that definitely was an experience that got 189 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:43.519 me thinking. And then we later when he came back holding about the experience. 190 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.879 I had put some apples in a couple of locations because I was going 191 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:52.000 to go look my curiosity, which probably looking back, it's stupid in a 192 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.480 way, but you just wonder hoping their docile, but you don't know because 193 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.720 I hear some other stories. We found one of the apples missing and he 194 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:01.960 goes, hey, if it was a bear, it would have taken both. 195 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.399 Why did it only take one? And then we were heading down towards 196 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.840 the lower lake and we found some huge footprints. So that definitely was another 197 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.360 experience that was closer than some of the ones in the previous with my family. 198 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:20.360 Other than my sons, I wasn't with him on that occasion. Yeah, 199 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.080 I can't imagine waking up to that and something picking up your backpack in 200 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.240 the middle of the ninth then had to be a scary situation. Toddy mentioned 201 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.840 that you had another experience in and around that same area. Can you talk 202 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.519 a little bit about that. Yeah, Actually it was at the same lake. 203 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.720 Doug had pulled me that experience, so we decided to make plans to 204 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.240 go back there. So I think it was in two nineteen August. Yeah, 205 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.720 we backpacked in, went to the I guess the south end of the 206 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.000 lake under these trees and the Grover trees right on the lake. We get 207 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:03.120 there and there's a cat site that all this shovel. It's like they were 208 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.080 camping and they to grab their backpacks and left. There's harps, there is 209 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.759 food, there's pots and pans, just everything just like they just grabbed their 210 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.480 backpacks and left. So we cleaned up. We put all in the tarps 211 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.919 and there was a lot of stuff. There was four of us there. 212 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.559 The first night, there wasn't much going on. We're pretty pretty tired. 213 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.080 We went right to bed. The next night, the other two guys that 214 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.600 were with us, Blaine and Caesar, they had a little streiens. They 215 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.720 were hearing things coming in to the camp. I was out. I didn't 216 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:41.000 even really get up. But the third night, Caesar was gone. There 217 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.919 was only three of us there, and the night before we had heard some 218 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.080 knocks before we went to bed. This night it was silence. We did 219 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:54.039 hear clinging noises like hands, the pots and pans are being clang together. 220 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.320 We figured maybe they had picked up some cans that these campers had left or 221 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:04.279 whatever. That night I'd done to bed Doug and blame I guess we're awake. 222 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.840 They had gotten up in the middle of night. I heard him talking 223 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.600 and I woke up. I said, Hey, what's going on? And 224 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:12.720 they said, hey, We've been trying to wake you up for a couple 225 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.639 of hours because they've been hearing somebody coming into camps from all sides. There's 226 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.440 noises and the bushes and they were getting the fire going way big. So 227 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.799 I got up and use the bushes and I came back and we sat down 228 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:33.200 by the fire for probably about an hour. All the noise kind of stops. 229 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:38.000 Then we decided to go back to bed. Doug and Blaine started snoring 230 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:44.639 right off. They're out. I was laying there on the ground inside my 231 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:51.120 tent. I couldn't sleep. I could see the fire dying down through the 232 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:57.600 tents. Finally it basically went out, and I started hearing noises in the 233 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:03.159 bushes and I'm laying there, I'm lifting and they're getting closer and closer, 234 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:10.160 and then the footsteps started coming in along with trail and I could feel the 235 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:11.920 footsteps in my back because I was laying on the ground, I could feel 236 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:18.200 the like the where they call him the impact tremors. And this thing got 237 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.759 right next to my tents, and I wanted to look out my tent, 238 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:23.279 but I was so scared I couldn't even move. And I was laying there 239 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.240 for probably about a minute or so, and then I guess one of the 240 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:32.880 logs had broken off and fell back into the fire, and the fire raised 241 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.519 back up, and this seing took off out of the camp and I could 242 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.200 tell he was a bipedal animal. It wasn't a bear. It had to 243 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:41.599 be a squats or a man, but I don't see a man being out 244 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.920 there, and the weight of it causing the impact tremmors where I could feel 245 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.319 them in my back. Then I woke up with them in the morning and 246 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.799 that was it. We were fine. Actually that day too, me and 247 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.680 Blaine were out on the other part lake and we were hearing across a lake 248 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:03.839 from tree knock and tree breaks when Doug was gone for a time. But 249 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.839 now, that was a pretty wild experience, just feeling those impact trummers in 250 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.000 my back. That was a unique experience. People have talked about that before 251 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.039 on the show, about how big some of these creatures are and how heavy 252 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:21.640 they are, and hearing and feeling the footprints, and I've heard vocalizations of 253 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.960 what I believe to be sasquatch here on the property, and that in and 254 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:29.119 of itself is something that's very hard to explain. When you hear like an 255 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.079 ohio howel type call or these yells that these things do, it's something like 256 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.000 I've never heard before, and it's really difficult to explain to people who've never 257 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.240 had that experience because it's not that you just hear it, you feel it 258 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.079 as well. So I couldn't imagine being laying there and then this thing walking 259 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.519 up and feeling the tremors. Whoever wants to take this as far as leading 260 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.319 us into the finding of the track, way, I don't know which one 261 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.079 you want to start that off and talk about it, but let's get into 262 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:57.920 that. Let's talk about the area that you guys were in, what kind 263 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.000 of research were you doing, had you had other experiences leading up to that, 264 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.319 and then let's get into and talk about the track where the guests found. 265 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.720 Yeah, we've had lots of other experiences, and what you said about 266 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.079 the roars, I agree with you because that roar I had at Bear Lake 267 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:18.880 sounded like the loudest vibrating roar that just went through your body, and it 268 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.400 sound like a gorilla because I've heard bears that this was no bear and just 269 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:27.720 the way it was breaking through those trees. And we've had a few other 270 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:32.960 experiences over the years. So that's got us to decide to focus on the 271 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.240 go road a little bit. Which is the go road is the Gaskey the 272 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:45.240 Orleans Gaskey Road, which was near where the famous Patterson Gimmlin film was shot. 273 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.440 So it's a paved road that they never finished because of all the Sasquatch 274 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.640 activity they had in the fifties and sixties and so forth. That's where they 275 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:59.119 were throwing the drums and they were fighting footprints and so forth. So we 276 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.759 go up that lot because there's some really cool primitive camp sites up there, 277 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.599 and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Seaward right back after these messages, 278 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.880 one being Laos Camp, another's Beans Camp. There's Elk Valley at the end 279 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.839 of the road. These are all places where you can camp for free. 280 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:26.519 Cedar Camp we've been there unfortunately that got burnt this summer by Mosquito Lake were 281 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.400 bombed about that. Just Todd had a good experience with his brother in law 282 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:36.480 carry there last year. So we've had just various experiences and we just like 283 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.279 to go up there and try to go down logging roads that have been abandoned 284 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:44.880 basically, and so during the winter we just usually try to get up as 285 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:49.240 far as we can in the snow and look around because we figure that would 286 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.480 be a great time to find prints if we can find them, because dearly 287 00:20:53.759 --> 00:21:02.160 prints, cougarly prints bear rabbits. And so that morning we decided to do 288 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.440 it. So it was Carrie Todd and myself and we went up April thirtieth 289 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.799 and started driving up the Go road. And we had gone like Todd had 290 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.200 mentioned before, we made it up six miles like two or three weeks before, 291 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.640 so the snow was starting to melt. We made it up to ten 292 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.000 miles this time, and we first jumped out found some interesting things, but 293 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:30.079 then we drove up to where no one had been and when we jumped out, 294 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.160 we go wow, look at that, and we saw a trackway that 295 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.039 went well over one hundred yards up the hill to a place where the asphalt 296 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.559 was melted through and came back down and we were going uhh, and so 297 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.440 we were just stopping to look and then Carrie looked down and says, hey, 298 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.000 this has toes in it. And then all sudden we just got really 299 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:53.960 excited. And that's where we made a few airs in the sense of we 300 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.400 had tape measures, we didn't pull them out. Fortunately, I didn't think 301 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.680 a video where we had just barely start walking up and I thought to myself, 302 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.160 I better take a video of this before we start ruining it, because 303 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:10.799 we're walking around looking at the distance between the prints and so forth and how 304 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:17.200 big they are. And some other podcasts encouraged us to really start casting a 305 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:21.480 lot more, which we're definitely going to start doing that. Looking back, 306 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.920 we both think, wow, we could have done this so differently, and 307 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.640 then we'd even take out even more of some skepticism that some people have had. 308 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:34.960 But I tell you it was the most amazing. Fine, because I've 309 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.839 had these experiences, but this was like the closest thing to when you see 310 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.920 real footprints in the snow, You're just like, wow, it sends you 311 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.400 to a different spot that you have to really ask yourself, this just could 312 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.279 be real, because I've always been someone that would like to think it's real, 313 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.640 but I'm like less strouted. I want to see it to believe it. 314 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.200 And so that's the beginning of it, and then talk and going to 315 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:04.160 more of it. Yeah, we got to the this site where we found 316 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.640 the Prince. We had driven through a couple of the areas that had snow 317 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.960 still on the road. The first one was a few inches sack, but 318 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.480 there was no tracks, no the tire tracks show we know no one was 319 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.240 there yet. And then we went through another section that was about six inches 320 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:23.519 deep, and then we went through another area that was like a foot deep 321 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.880 that we did get through, and then we rolled up to this area that 322 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.519 we couldn't get through. It was a couple of feet deep. We stopped 323 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.440 after where we found the Prince. One of the things that impressed me about 324 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.960 the Prince was the toes. You can really see the outlining of the toes 325 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.759 and a lot of them, and you can also see the mid tarsal break 326 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:48.160 because the toes went down in the snow for the mid section of the foot 327 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.079 to the back was flattened and the toes went down deeper probab about the inch 328 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:57.640 deeper into the snow, which unless you have a mid tarsal break in your 329 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:03.839 foot, that's were going to happen. The strides of the footprints, the 330 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.480 one's going up with four feet apart the gate, which is pretty good. 331 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.519 I mean at a fourth foot of mine is probably truth be at the most 332 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:17.160 the good sized gate. The tracks and themselves were about four inches long six 333 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:22.079 inches wide. They weren't the longest prints, but the width and the depth 334 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.960 of them, the depth they were in some areas four to six inches deep 335 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.799 into the snow. We were jumping in the snow on our boots. We 336 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.519 had boots on, and we were going maybe an inch into the snow. 337 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.599 So this animal had to be at least five hundred pounds. It's thought more. 338 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.279 I tell you the photographs that you guys sent me. I know you've 339 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.000 got some other stuff. I haven't seen the video yet, but the photo 340 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.759 that you sent me were impressive. And the thing that got me was how 341 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.960 far out you guys were into the wilderness. Typically, I don't know how 342 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.640 it is out there. We do get snow here in North Carolina. We 343 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.559 got twenty three inches of snow here a couple of years back on property. 344 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.720 And I tell you one thing I didn't do. I didn't take my shoes 345 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.319 off and go walk around barefoot in the snow. So that was one thing 346 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.839 that impressed me. I was taking notes as you guys were talking about the 347 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.680 size. You said about twelve inches long, about six inches wide, and 348 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.279 you say it was maybe one hundred yards or so that this wind or how 349 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.440 could you tell? Did you guys count how many total footprints that you guys 350 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.039 saw in the trackway? We didn't count them, but there had to be 351 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:33.599 at least one hundred prints. We have probably forty or fifty pictures and a 352 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:38.400 few videos. Yeah, in this area in the wintertime, it's completely death 353 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.799 of late because you can't get up there the first department. There's gates that 354 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:48.160 they shut off certain parts of the area and the go goat is usually inaccessible 355 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:53.480 until mid April because of all the snow. And when we know this area, 356 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.680 we were the first ones that got to this point because of the snow 357 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:02.160 on the road that we went through, there were no footprints or any tire 358 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.680 tracks at all, but we know we were the first ones to get to 359 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:10.519 that point. Yeah, and another thing too, I would say it was 360 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:15.559 four to five feet. I tried to step between them, and I was 361 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.400 total spread eagle to where if I would have tried to take one more step, 362 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.960 I would have fallen in the snow. So that's how far they were 363 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.440 uphill, But downhill they were eight to ten feet apart. As if it 364 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:32.000 was running downhill or ran uphill and walked downhill. We almost wonder if he 365 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:36.720 heard our truck or someone else's truck. We're not sure because that day we 366 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.079 were the only ones there. We only saw one other vehicle the whole day, 367 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.960 and that was at the end of the day because we ended up going 368 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:47.480 back to the spot where Todd had that first sighting and found a nest in 369 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.039 that air because that snow had melted. So that was interesting too. And 370 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.119 but yeah, it gets a lot of snow here in the winter because it's 371 00:26:55.160 --> 00:27:00.640 like a north basing road, so it'll stay there sometimes till May, even 372 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.240 on lighter snow years. This show is an extremely heavy snow year. There 373 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:10.160 were snow at Elk Valley because this road goes literally Orleans is completely if you 374 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:15.400 go there, it's a thousand people and it's forty five minutes north of Willow 375 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.279 Creek. So there are times where you drive Highway ninety six from Willow Creek 376 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.920 and I've taken it all the way to Waireka or to I five, but 377 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:29.480 especially from there to Psalm's Bar. Sometimes will depending on the day, you 378 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.759 may only see one car pass by. That's in the summertime even And so 379 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.759 here you are with this road that goes off right at Orleans, and it's 380 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:42.079 just this paved road that goes into the middle of nowhere. It's thirty plus 381 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.720 miles long to the end of it. It's paved, and then you have 382 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.319 a lot of other roads off of it, which Todd mentioned that they locked 383 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:55.039 the gate, so over five six months of the year you're closed off until 384 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.039 some of these camps and stuff. And it's a huge area toos it's not 385 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:04.640 a small area. It is gigantic. And so all those factors to gather 386 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.319 and to find something that was going almost five feet up hill and eight to 387 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.960 ten feet downhill. We got video of all of it. And when we 388 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.680 first saw it, and we were saying one hundred yards, but we've been 389 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.240 looking at it again and it could have been even further. It could have 390 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.319 been one hundred and fifty yards, because when you're looking up a road in 391 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:29.079 the middle of nowhere, you just gaestimate it's one hundred yards, but it 392 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.559 could have very well been longer. And we went up even two weeks later 393 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.079 after that and had made it up to mile thirteen, because we made it 394 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.559 to mile ten on this day, so we went up further and the snow 395 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:48.079 was really deep there and I ended up hiking up aways several hundred yards up 396 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.400 that snow, and I found tracks that looked very similar to the ones that 397 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:56.559 I had seen April thirtieth. It's just that I took a couple pictures of 398 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.799 those. I didn't take a video because they were just harder because they had 399 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.720 been sitting in the snow for so long, you just because snow can make 400 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.920 things change. But I did see that foot, that toe, that big 401 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.839 toe that really stands out, and it looked close to the same size, 402 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.279 so we know it wasn't a full grown one, but we think it might 403 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.440 have been maybe a juvenile or something. But the fact that it was twelve 404 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:25.440 inches long and six inches wide. And this is another thing too. I 405 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.160 don't know if you've seen Jonathan, he did a seventeen minute documentary on our 406 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.119 He has all the videos in it. This is one thing I was mentioning, 407 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.279 if it was a human foot, it had an arch, wouldn't you 408 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.440 see the ball of the foot and the back of the foot, because we 409 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:48.759 have an arch. These things do not have an arch. So those things 410 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:55.000 alone tell you this was something amazing that we found. Are you talking about 411 00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:00.240 Jonathan Easily Perhaps Jonathan Easily. Yeah, he did a documentary because they came 412 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.079 and visit us at Laos Camp, him and Tate Horonymous because of these findings. 413 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:11.000 And we sent them the videos of the track waste and it's a seventeen 414 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.359 minute video and you check that out and you can see all the video we 415 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.640 took too on that. But we'll send this also because since this time, 416 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.000 we've put it all together so that he can send it quickly, because we're 417 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.559 starting to realize we need to get some kind of name going here and stuff, 418 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:34.359 because this is catching on and we're just basically novice that kind of stumbled 419 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.400 into this, just having our little bit of fun. And now we're realizing 420 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.200 while we've discovered a few things, and I think we've had more activity than 421 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.559 we realize because we've had a lot of activity over the last few years. 422 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:51.160 That just tell us that we're hitting the right spots. Anyway, you mentioned 423 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:52.559 it, Doug, and I wrote it down as I'm taking note to you 424 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.920 talked about going to a different area in the same general vicinity and seeing what 425 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.640 you believe to be a nest. What did that look black and what did 426 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.160 you guys find? Okay, would you like to share that? Todd? 427 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.920 Sure. On that day when we found the prints, we drove back down 428 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:15.119 that road that we had gone down do monthing before and we cleared out a 429 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.160 big section. We got to the area that we had the experience, so 430 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.359 we drove up behind it. There's another road that drove up behind the area, 431 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.240 and we got up there and we walked around, checked it out. 432 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.839 Then we drove up the road another fifty yards and we found Doug was in 433 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:36.200 back seat and yells, hey stop, and we saw these trees down. 434 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.440 The trees were looked like they were naturally like a natural fall, a big 435 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.279 clump of trees, but it was dug out or it was the branches were 436 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.279 broken off, he could sell they were broken broken off and it was made 437 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.640 into a little cave. And we found a couple of prints on the side 438 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.680 of the hill going down. Those were pretty big, and yeah, we've 439 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.240 that nest. It was probably a good five feet in and probably ten feet 440 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.400 long. I got inside of it and laid down, and they looked like 441 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.440 they had matted down the leaves and made it a nice little bed. Obviously 442 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.200 it wasn't like a nest. I'm sure it wasn't. That's where they were 443 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.480 there for a long time, but maybe they just made it to hang out 444 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.359 for a little while. But what's so amazing about that is the fact that 445 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:29.279 it was only a few hundred yards from where we had that experience where he 446 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.519 saw the fur and the tree shake with all the snowfall down, because the 447 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:36.599 road went around behind there, and it was a perfect bandage point because there 448 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.200 had been an old logging road, so you could see how something could easily 449 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.559 get to that cliff area, just real easily and then be gone. But 450 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.640 at that point there was so much snow we were hiking in we couldn't have 451 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.480 driven, but later we could. We got some pictures of that too, 452 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.519 So if Todd sends you all the stuff that he has put together on his 453 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.759 computer, he's included those pictures and there's some videos on it too, so 454 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.720 that'll be something that you might like looking at, because it's not like the 455 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:12.799 Olympic rainforests nests where they're made of like huckleberry bushes. But it's definitely looks 456 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.480 like it was something made to at least be a temporary location, and I 457 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.240 just find it here is that it is only literally a couple hundred yards from 458 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.960 where that other event took place. Doug, you mentioned this hindsight is definitely 459 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.079 twenty twenty when it comes to being a novice and getting out in the woods 460 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.680 and finding what you consider to be possible evidence of sasquatch, because it's happened 461 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.000 to me several times here on my property. Recently, I stumbled across what 462 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.119 I believe to be a footprint. I've told the story before. I said 463 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.319 I wouldn't go into it in depth, but basically, on a hike looking 464 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.240 around, I looked down and see what looks to be a footprint. So 465 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.200 I take a couple of pictures. I had no casting material, I didn't 466 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.359 have anything with me, a tape, measure, nothing. All I had 467 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.759 was my foot, so I put my foot in for reference. I know 468 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.240 I've got a size eleven boot. I snap a couple of pictures, and 469 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:06.519 I keep going, but I find some weird tree brakes and some rock stacks, 470 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:12.079 and what looks like a couple of nest sites where these things are woven 471 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.599 together. And like you said, maybe it's not a permanent thing, but 472 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.719 it looks like something's been bedding down in there. And I don't know how 473 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:23.400 anything outside of a human being or something with thumbs could weave this together in 474 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.280 this configurations. I found that footprint, didn't cast it. It rained for 475 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.880 three days afterwards, so I couldn't get back to it with material to cast 476 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:37.679 it. And I don't know, maybe two three weeks later, I find 477 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.800 another footprint on the property here that I was able to cast. We were 478 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.000 talking before we went on the air. I was out of Idaho last month 479 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.800 and speaking at an event with Cliff Barrickman, doctor Jeff Meldrum, and Michael 480 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.760 Freeman. And we go out for drinks the first night we're there, and 481 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.559 I hand my phone to Cliff Barrickman and I'm like, Cliff, take a 482 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.920 look at these pictures. Let me show you what I found. Cliff looks 483 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.960 at the first couple of pictures of this what I believe to be a footprint, 484 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.119 and he goes, Dude, that's definitely a sasquatch print. It's one 485 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.920 of the best ones I've ever seen. You should have casted that. And 486 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.320 I'm like, oh my god, are you kidding me? Because of course 487 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.400 I'm skeptical about this, right, I find something like that on my own 488 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.320 property, and the first thing I go to, I'm an Ockham's Raiser kind 489 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.199 of guy. It's probably a bear, it's something else, or maybe somebody 490 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.760 got onto our property and has a weird looking foot and decided to walk through 491 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.559 through bear. I don't know, but when you got somebody like Cliff, 492 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.559 and I trust Cliff implicitly. He's been doing this for a long time, 493 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:36.000 and he's looked at a lot of pictures, and he's looked at a lot 494 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.159 of foot castings, and the first thing out of his mouth is, Dude, 495 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:42.400 that's a sasquatch print. I was blown away. Now the one I 496 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.480 casted, you know, I showed him some pictures of that. I didn't 497 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:45.440 take the cast with me, but I showed him some pictures. He was 498 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.719 like, Hey, that could be a double bear step. I'm thinking the 499 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:51.840 same thing. That's the first thing I said when I put it out there 500 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.920 is that this could probably be a bear double steping, because we know we 501 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.239 have black bear on the property. We've ran into him, we've physically seen 502 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.599 them here, so we know they're here. But I go and hike my 503 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.559 neighbor's property just about a week ago, and I'm hiking up on the back 504 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.079 of this ridge and I've posted it on social media. You guys can see 505 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:13.519 it on Instagram and out of our social media. But I find a tepee 506 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:20.599 structure that's clearly been made. It is a huge teepee structure, and some 507 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.519 other weird things where trees have been taken, saplings have been bent around and 508 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.199 stuck underneath dead wood. There's no way this happened naturally, if something with 509 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.079 thumbs did that. And I find two foot prints up there. I'm walking 510 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.760 and I clearly see that big toe sticking out, and I'm on the back 511 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.679 of this ridge where I'm having a hard time navigating, and me and I 512 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.639 had three other people hiking with me. We were having a hard time navigating 513 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.920 and hiking boots. Nobody's up there barefoot, And of course I didn't have 514 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.639 casting material, so I had to go back the following day. Fortunately, 515 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.320 it didn't rain, and I got to cast those two prints, and I've 516 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.159 casted four other prints on the property than the last couple of weeks. I 517 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.119 haven't even talked about it on the show. I'm not even posting on social 518 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:08.400 media because it's beginning to be ridiculous how many footprints I'm finding all of a 519 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.480 sudden, and I don't know what's going on, or I don't know what's 520 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.000 causing it, but I'm casting it. And I know if you talk to 521 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.000 Cliff, I think you guys had said you would at least interviewed with Cliff 522 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:21.039 and Bobo. I know Cliff is probably the first person to tell you you 523 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.639 got to cast everything that you come across. That's one of the things that 524 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:29.119 I talked about with Cliff was these casts that I'm doing. Some of them 525 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.800 are horrendous. They look great when I take the pictures, they look great 526 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.480 when I'm looking at them, and then I pour the casting material and they 527 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.519 come out just like a big gass clump. It's like nothing there. And 528 00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:42.960 surprisingly, when I told this to Cliff, he's, dude, don't beat 529 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.800 yourself up, because here's the thing about this, and I'm giving this to 530 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.679 you guys because you're in the same situation as me. You're not a professional 531 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.360 Bigfoot researcher. But when you find things, make sure you cast it. 532 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.079 Because Cliff said to me, all these perfect casts that you see that people 533 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.719 show pictures of and that are making into the books, typically those may not 534 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.199 be real. Honestly, if they look too good to be true, they 535 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.960 probably are. And Cliff was like, if you're casting stuff that looks like 536 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:16.320 absolute shit when you get finished, you're probably doing the right thing because those 537 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:21.719 are probably real prints because they don't always get pressed in far enough to make 538 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.400 a good cast. Now, I casted some just yesterday that are pretty impressive. 539 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.639 They're probably three inch because of the material that whatever this was stepped in. 540 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.719 So that's the first time I've been able to cast really decent looking prints. 541 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.800 And I'm probably not going to show them online because I'm not going to 542 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:38.880 put up with the haters. They are going to say they're fakes. I'm 543 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:44.159 just going to keep them to myself. But I encourage you to do whatever. 544 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.000 And I want to ask this question, and note, I don't know 545 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.079 how feasible this is or if this even crossed your mind at the time, 546 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.840 and either one of you guys are both can answer this. Did you ever 547 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.480 think about possibly even going back later that day or trying to go back the 548 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.360 following day and cast them, or was casting at that point just not even 549 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.719 on your radar. We think that you could cast snow because of the weight 550 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.960 of the casting material, which we talked to Clifton. He said, yet 551 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.599 it can be very hard casting. And now you can buy us for material, 552 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.800 some kind of snow wax you spraying there to hardens and then you can 553 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.000 put the I guess the law enforcement uses it to ask tire prints and stuff, 554 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.639 but we didn't think it was any way to do it, so we 555 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.800 didn't even We figured take pictures and some videos. That's probably the best that 556 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.519 we could do at that moment. However, this is our ace in the 557 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:45.440 hole in this whole situation because Bobo immediately, not just Texas, he called 558 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.920 us and goes, I'm in Portland, I'm coming down. Those are the 559 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.880 most amazing prints I've ever seen. Where'd you do that? And so we 560 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.360 said, what's been raining a little so we're worried that maybe they're going to 561 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.199 get muddled a little bit. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otsey right back after 562 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:10.159 these messages. So what he did is he sent a good friend of his 563 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:15.960 that he had done all kinds of different activities including squatching for over forty years, 564 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:21.079 who lived in Happy Camp, which was about probably about forty miles north 565 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:28.440 of there, and he came down later that day and saw the Prince and 566 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.639 that's what stepping all over the place. He saw the Prince and he reported 567 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.440 back to Bobo. They're real and they are the best prince I've ever seen 568 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.880 in my life. And they actually dedicated that podcast to this man because his 569 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.639 name was Larry. He was a logger by trade. He was actually going 570 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.639 to be highlighted in this documentary that Bobo's doing of a minor and unfortunately he 571 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.679 had a heart attack just literally two or three days after he witness those prints. 572 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.800 He reported back to Bobo and that's why they got are excited because at 573 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.440 first it was just a report that after that then they knew this is legit 574 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.239 and they are legit backed. Honestly, I'm like you, and it sounds 575 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.039 like you are in an awesome spot. North Carolina too. Is you got 576 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:22.239 the Appalachian mountains there. I've seen pictures of North Carolina very remote and I 577 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.239 think these things are all over the place. When you talk to people and 578 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.400 explain to them, even if you say it's three miles away from your house 579 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.400 or one mile, they think, ath, what's that? But try hiking 580 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.239 that mile down ravines, up ridges. There are so many nooks and crannies, 581 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.519 and that's how it is in our area. I've had a couple of 582 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:44.880 friends say that was just so many miles up the road. Have you hiked 583 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.599 it. I'm a big time hiker, Like I mentioned before, I've been 584 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.840 hiking the Pacific Crest Trail and I've just hiked long miles. I've been all 585 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.360 over the Trinity Alps. Every turn you take, and if you just go 586 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.519 off trail a little bit, it's just it's like a whole different world. 587 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:07.239 And I've heard those howls and I've heard different things. We've heard tons of 588 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.840 tree knocks. We've had some amazing other experiences too. And one of our 589 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:16.760 friends actually said he saw one and that was in another place that we're actually 590 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:21.599 going to go on Monday and look there because we haven't been there for a 591 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.719 while. We're hoping with the fires, maybe they moved back to that area 592 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:28.519 because it seemed like they were there, then they moved on, so we'll 593 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.559 see. Yeah, but we are going to cast a lot more because, 594 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.280 believe me, Cliffs banked us on that one. But we had tape measures. 595 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.639 That's one thing. We had our tape measures. And we were like, 596 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:44.440 so, which when you see something like that, you just your mind 597 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.760 goes crazy and you don't you don't think level headed. I'm just glad we 598 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.159 took some video because that was the most level headed thing we did. Especially 599 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.679 when I took this track way up the hill, I almost wish I would 600 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.400 have taken it back down the hill. I did take it later down the 601 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.559 hill, but we had already started walking around. But I think, if 602 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.519 what ever happens again, which we hope this isn't the greatest discovery we ever 603 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.519 had, because that's sometimes happens, we're gonna be a little more levelheaded. 604 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.880 This time. It was like you're a kid in the candy store. It's 605 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.960 like we were pinching ourselves. Are we seeing what we're really seeing? We 606 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.360 had the hope of finding something, because we always do when we go we 607 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.480 take a day trip or a chemic trip. We want to see something, 608 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:30.000 find something. But then when you actually do you're still in shock because these 609 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.079 things are just they're unbelievable. When you come across something like this, or 610 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.639 you hear tree knocks, or you hear chatter or anything that you think is 611 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:44.039 really to seth watch, it's hard to believe. Yeah, and it's the 612 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.559 same thing for me. And I'm glad you said that about the property. 613 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.760 People don't realize how remote you can be. I can get in my car 614 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.280 right now and drive ten minutes and be at Walmart, right a supercenter, 615 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:58.360 get gas, go to a restaurant, go to Walmart. But if I 616 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.719 leave out of my front door, it takes me. And I'm in decent 617 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.559 shape and I'm a pretty good hiker, It'll take me a minimum of forty 618 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.519 five minutes just to hike straight up to the back of my property. Forty 619 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.280 five minutes now, think about that. That's a long time to be walking. 620 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.840 And like you said, there's a lot that can go on and we 621 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.199 have forty acres. It's not a huge property, but there's nothing around us 622 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.400 but property. There's hundreds and hundreds of acres of woods behind us and on 623 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.880 either side of us, and across the road that we used to get into 624 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:31.159 our driveway. So it's a remote place. But I too, like you 625 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.760 when I find something on the property, and like I said, it's just 626 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.320 happened the last couple of days. You guys are the only people that I've 627 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.920 told that I found and casted to more footprints that turned out to be really 628 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.800 impressive in my opinion, But I don't share it with people because the second 629 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.280 you do, even though you took video, even though you took photographs, 630 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.880 it had you brought out the measuring tapes. I've even done that. I've 631 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.000 posted pictures of some of the stuff that I've casted here in the past, 632 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.400 and there's pictures with the the tape out showing how big, how wide, 633 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.000 how long, And people don't even look at it, and they're like, 634 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.280 where's your tape measure? Why? And there a tape measure if you look 635 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.960 two more pictures there, dude, there's a tape measure. So it gets 636 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.960 to be to the point where I don't even want to put the stuff out 637 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.800 there anymore. And I used to didn't understand that why would somebody have evidence 638 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.800 of bigfoot sasquatch? People have trail cam pictures, people have videos. I'm 639 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.719 convinced. I know I've talked to Cliff. He has seen some of the 640 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:32.400 best trailcam pictures ever of Bigfoot that nobody outside of Cliff and maybe five of 641 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.159 the people will ever see because the person refuses to release it for that very 642 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.199 reason. And the second that I started finding things of my own, I 643 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.239 now understand why, because there are so many people out there, keyboard vigilantes 644 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.840 that just want to beat you up anytime you put your stuff out there. 645 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.440 So I'm just not doing it anymore. I'm going to keep it for myself 646 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.920 and it is what it is. And I know that probably pisses people off 647 00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.000 when I say that, but I'm just at that point because I understand where 648 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.760 you guys are at. I found prints. The other thing you guys found 649 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:09.039 a trackway with probably one hundred plus prints. I have found on two different 650 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.239 occasions. I found one single foot print in the mud, and the first 651 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.440 thing people say is, how can there only be one print? Oh, 652 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.800 it must be a big foot on a pogo stick. I've literally made follow 653 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.480 up videos because I walk my property every day and I have four legged dogs. 654 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.239 All three of my dogs have four legs, and every time I go 655 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.159 down a trail, I'll come to a muddy spot right next to some dry 656 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.039 spots. There's one footprint of a dog right there in the middle and no 657 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.400 other prints, so it can happen. And I said all that to say, 658 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.719 no matter what, document, take the photographs, take the videos, 659 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.039 and if you can carry some casting material. I now have a backpack that 660 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.159 has nothing but my casting stuff in it, and I do not hike anymore 661 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.639 without having my casting material with me. So if I run up on something, 662 00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.760 I'm definitely going to cast it again, whether nobody eutsees it or not. 663 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.760 I know that had to be exciting for you guys. Obviously you said 664 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.760 it's taken off for you. Guys, you're doing podcasts, you're talking about 665 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.400 it. What's next for you, guys? Are you just going to continue 666 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.199 to go out there and have these experiences. I'm always curious what makes people 667 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.159 tick once you see one of these things, or once you get that piece 668 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.920 of evidence. Some people just say, Okay, that's enough for me. 669 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.119 I'm convinced. Is that the case for you guys? Todd will start with 670 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.119 you. Is it driven you to go out and find more stuff and want 671 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:29.000 to have more experiences? What's next for you? Man? Our main purpose 672 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.000 is going out in the woods, camping, enjoying each other and drawing our 673 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.280 families and having fun. The Bigfoot research is secondary, but yeah, we're 674 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:44.119 still gonna keep going camping and we're gonna do our semi research. We do 675 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:49.840 have in my truck now, I carry a bag full of casting materials, 676 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.400 tape, measure different things, so that way we have it at my truck 677 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.119 all the time. So if we're out there, we have the children need 678 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.760 to do cast things, and we're facing there's one person online that just keeps 679 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.440 ragging on this prince saying they're fake, it's a hoax and stuff, and 680 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.239 there's just no way that someone could have hoaxed hoax. We did hoped that 681 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.599 for sure, we got there at nine o'clock in the morning, we would 682 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.480 have had time to hoax and if we even tried, which we would even 683 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:22.360 waste our time hoaxing and spending in a couple of hours trying to make Actually 684 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.840 these tracks probably would have taken some of an all day to hoax if even 685 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.480 if they could. But yeah, we're still going to keep going out. 686 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.599 And I said, we were going on Monday through an area that we've been 687 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:38.440 before, and hopefully we can find the more evidence and my whole goal. 688 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:44.639 I would love to see one. Hopefully that wouldn't stop me from going out 689 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.199 into the forest, but I would love to see one just for my own 690 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.880 curiosity. Knowing that good mayte my wife I think I'm crazy, and she 691 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:59.960 that she's never gone out with us as when we go on our day trip, 692 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:06.199 so she's ever had any real experiences. So I would love for her 693 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.039 to see you in two just to approve to her that, yeah, these 694 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.239 things are real. So what about you, Doug? Is the same thing 695 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.719 for you? Are you still driven to go out and find more stuff and 696 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:20.679 you want to have that experience, that close up experience that everybody craves first 697 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.199 and foremost. I'm a real outdoors guy, but I don't hunt. That's 698 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.280 one thing that which doesn't make sense. But I just love the outdoors. 699 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:35.320 I love being in the wilderness. Just creation around me is so amazing. 700 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.840 I just love it, and so I'm going to continue. I am getting 701 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.079 older, so I realize even though I still am able to hike long distances, 702 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:49.159 like for instance of Buddy and mine hike sixty miles in four days Yep 703 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.119 in the Trinity Alps and up and down huge ridges and so forth, and 704 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:58.480 I did the Southern Sierra last year. Fortunately, this year we were going 705 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.599 to continue the PCT. We said, let's just take a year off and 706 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.840 hike locally, and I'm really glad I did because this year was an amazing 707 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.079 hard snow. And I'm not a mountaineer. I've done winter backpacking, but 708 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.920 I'm just not into it at my age anymore. So I do some car 709 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.519 camping. I built myself a little camper, so it's fun to go car 710 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.800 camping and do these hikes. But also I go backpacking at least two or 711 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:23.320 three times minimum a year. We probably get to the woods once a month 712 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:28.920 on the minimum, so that's another thing. We are regularly going up there, 713 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.519 sometimes twice a month, and we're fortunate. We're only sixty miles from 714 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:38.760 these forty fifty miles to sixty miles from these hot spots, and there's probably 715 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:44.559 even stuff happening even closer than that. So I'm not going to stop because 716 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.000 I'm just curious, because i just feel like there's so much humans do not 717 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.199 know. They try to act like they know everything, but they don't know 718 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.440 anything, and so I'm going to continue on. We are talking right now. 719 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.920 We're right now, we're taking about starting up a little website. We're 720 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:06.960 in the process of it. It's going to be Bigfoot Wilderness Research, so 721 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.679 it would be the BWR. So I guess since we're putting it out here 722 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.400 on your podcast, we'll have to really up the ante on that. And 723 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.559 Todd got a free drone, which we're trying to figure out. We're not 724 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.480 technologically advanced, so we're trying to get it's so imposed. It's the Cadillac 725 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.079 of drones that he got for free from one of his relatives that used it 726 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.599 just for a music video. And we're almost there, it's not quite running. 727 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.840 And then we're going to get some sound equipment too. We've done that 728 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.960 too. We've recorded or used like recorded sounds of chattering. I have an 729 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:45.039 AMP because I play guitar. That is battery power. We've put that at 730 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:50.159 the top of ridges. We do tree knocks, but we're getting away from 731 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.119 some of that only because I think they know humans are just trying to mimic 732 00:51:54.199 --> 00:52:00.159 them. So we just are going to keep investigating, not going to it. 733 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:04.039 I'd like to see one too, Yeah, I'm right there with you. 734 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.360 I'd like to see it at maybe fifty miles an hour and me driving 735 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.480 by in a car. I think I'd be okay with it. I will 736 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.360 definitely post the stuff that we've talked about, the pictures in the video. 737 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.639 You guys can head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com check out 738 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.559 the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the top of the page. We'll have everything linked 739 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.559 there. I may even linked to Jonathan's video on YouTube. I'll shoot him 740 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.920 a text and see if maybe I can get some audio and stuff from that 741 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.519 and maybe included in here for you guys as a little teaser. But Todd 742 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.360 Doug, I really appreciate you guys coming on and I'm no people are looking 743 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:36.320 forward to seeing the pictures in the videos, and we appreciate you sharing your 744 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.039 experiences. Thanks. Thanks luck, Yeah, thank you, and you keep 745 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.360 squatching too. It sounds like you are in an awesome place. That's your 746 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:52.039 backyard. That's that's awesome, Brian. They say you don't gotta go home. 747 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:29.719 You were all outside Jesus trying to try that chime everything. Call it 748 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:36.039 right back, ride back my joy for me, your stay right now, 749 00:53:37.119 --> 00:54:32.480 call it right away. Days about Nobott for me, Talbot talk about the 750 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:51.960 visas uses US and use us uses