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Today, Hey everybody, this is Less Strive. Yes, yes, I
know aka Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Addison. Hey,
Folcus, and welcome back to Sasquatch. I thank you so much for clicking
play. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great week.
We have two amazing guest lined up for you. But as always,
I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd
like to be on the show, shoot me an email. You can get
me at Brian at Panamaworldproductions dot com. Can head over to the website and
check it out, become a member there and help support the show. As
I said, we've got not one, but two great guests on the show
today. I got to sit down with Todd and Doug out in California.
They've had some really cool experiences out there while they've been looking for Sasquatch,
and the main reason that they're here is to talk about this amazing track way
that they found earlier this year. So I'm going to let them tell you
all about that. If you want to see the video that we talk about.
Make sure you head over to Paranimal World Productions dot com check out the
sasquatch Odysie blog at the top of the page and you can watch the seventeen
minute video that we talk about. And I'll have all the pictures that they
sent me of this amazing track way posted over there for you guys to take
a look at real quick. Before we get into this with Todd and Doug.
I'm actually on my way up to Radium, BC, Canada for my
Todd Standing Bigfoot expedition, so I will be gone over the next seven days
or so. But fear not, We're going to post shows and you guys
will have their regular shows. I've got them all loaded up and ready to
post on Friday, Wednesday and Sunday as always. In the meantime, we
are going to post the first five episodes of that Bigfoot podcast, the new
podcast that Wayne and I are doing together. We've got the teaser up now.
You guys should have already heard that, but if you haven't went over
and followed the show or subscribe to the show, make sure you do that
because we're gonna drop the first five episodes of that show on October thirteenth,
and you definitely don't want to miss that, so make sure you follow the
show. You can also follow that show on Instagram at that Bigfoot podcast.
We'll be posting some updates over there as well. But enough of that.
I know you guys are ready to get into this big Foot track way.
Todd and Doug are on the line. They're ready to go, so you
gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. FoST want to welcome our
guests to the show. It is Todd and Doug. Welcome to the show,
guys. Thank you, thank you very much. I'm glad to have
you both. So we're gonna go around the horn here, and I'm gonna
start with Todd. Since you're in the top of the clock right now,
let's talk about sasquatch Man. What guy you interested in the subject? To
begin with? When I was younger, and I'll started with the P and
G film in search of all those documentaries and stephan as the old letn't need
more eas things. And and then when I started to we walked throughs.
I read books when I was younger. It wasn't until I got older well
yet, and the internet came out, and then there was all kinds of
stuff on Bigfoot, and I did a lot of research online behind the computer.
But once I moved up here to Humboldts, that's when I started really
going out, was Doug and not really doing research in the local mountains,
in the local areas. We're definitely going to get to some of your research,
and I know you guys have some really cool stuff to talk about,
but before we get there, Doug, same question for you, man,
what got you interested in the subject. Was it pretty much the same thing
the general typical things that you were seeing, or was it an experience that
you had. I would say for me, I was a kid when I
saw the P ANDNG film, living in El Paso, Texas, and I
was always fascinated with the West Coast because my grandmother my parents originally were from
Oregon and so my grandmother on my mom's side lived in Willala, So I
was always fascinated with the mountains. Saw the P and G film. Even
in El Paso, they had a so called sighting of something called the Horizon
City Monster, but I was so involved in sports and other things, I
just forgot about it. And I even came up here to northern California in
nineteen seventy nine, which I've lived here off and on since then. I
even forgot that this film had taken place so close to here. I had
heard different things, but I became an avid backpacker, so over the years
I've just had some kind of strange experiences out in backpacking with my family,
solo and other times. When Todd came here, I told him just some
of the experiences I had, and we decided to just go out looking for
Bigfoot. Let's talk a little bit about that, Todd. You mentioned that
you guys had been out in the woods and researching together. What kind of
research are you doing, What kind of areas are you guys going into,
and what kind of experiences are you having? The research word not that experiences
as far as researchers, but we go out, we have a firm wall
camera, we go out camping, and we just do some midnight hikes and
listen, and we also do a lot of day trips in the mountains.
Like I said, we're not super experience, but we do camp a lot,
and we do go out in the woods a lot. So we're out
in the woods and number of times a year. So we do have the
experience of being out in the woods and knowing the area, and we started
to concentrate last few years in a certain area, and we've had some good
success. Let's talk about the experiences that you guys are having, and success
is a subjective word, right, so let's talk a little bit about some
of the things that you've experienced in any evidence that you guys might have been
finding and collecting out there. But when that led up to the track weave
find we were basically in the same area, just a few miles away.
We had gone down this road. We got about shit, maybe a couple
of miles in, but we couldn't go no further because of snow. But
we got out and we hyped in probably another mile and a half or so.
Dug had mentioned this area that we passed, how it looked like it
was a good spot for a predator to be in. So we're hyping back
down and we get to that same spot and I'm not sure if I heard
something, but I looked up through that same spot and I saw an animal
going between two bushes. I saw brown furs split seconds, but gravel started
coming down from the hillside because it was probably about a thirty foot ledge and
we saw that the gravel come down, and then the tree had up under
snore and it started shaking aggressively, just shaking, and then it walked off.
We heard it maybe three or four footsteps that day. We also right
after that we heard a couple knocks, and then we went ahead and left.
And then that on April thirtieth, when we came back up to that
same area, that's when we found the tracks. Before we get into the
track away, I want to go back to Doug for a second, and
you mentioned some experiences you had had solo backpacking and some of the things that
you had experienced out backpacking with your family. Let's talk a little bit about
those experiences and get an idea of what you had experienced before we get into
the trackway, because I think we'll spend most of our time there. Okay,
I've, like I mentioned before, I've been backpacking since I was sixteen
years old. I used to backpack in New Mexico, and of course when
I moved out with my dad to California after our parents divorce. I lived
in southern California at the time, so I hiked Sangregonio Mountain, San Jacinto
Mountains had some great times. That's one of the reasons I probably came up
here to Humboldt State University. It's now known as cal Poly. I was
gonna dive into becoming a forest ranger because that's what I wanted to do.
I ended up getting married, but I've been an apted backpacker. My ex
wife she actually got to where she enjoyed backpack and we'd take the kids and
we would just have weird experiences. A lot of times you'd hear chatter,
you hear like people talking, but you couldn't understand it. And we were
all over the Trinity Alps. We've been in the Marble Mountains. So that
was some of the early experiences. And then when my son had grown up
and was married, him and his brother, his wife and another friend actually
had an experience at a lake and the Trinity Alps. It's known as Bear
Lake. And it's so funny because there's been a couple of different beare lakes
we've been to. You'll hear one's in the Siskis, one's in the Trinity
Opps. He actually had a sighting in the middle of the night, and
he was on finding Bigfoot because of it, because it walked into the camp
at two in the morning, full moon, couldn't sleep, they didn't have
a fire that night, and he saw and smelt it and it picked up
his pack he had it hanging up in the tree, picked up his pack,
unzipped it because he had it just hanging on a tree limb, and
he yelled, hey. He was so scared. He knew he should have
done something, but he just didn't know what to do because it was so
scary. And when he said hey, it dropped it on the tent,
woke everybody up, and you couldn't get prints there because it was on granite
because that particular lake is surrounded by granite. And it's interesting too because just
before dusk his other friend said, I saw something huge across the lake.
I don't know what it was, and my son had said, was it
a bearer? And he goes, I don't know what it was, but
it scared me and I don't want to go over there, because he wanted
to go check it out. So that ended up landing them on the Animal
Planet finding Bigfoot. So he had that experience. We've just heard these things
over the years, there's a big fire breakout, which incidentally, we'd probably
be squatching a lot more right now. But we've had so many fires in
the very areas that we want to go, so we're picking some alternative areas
here shortly that are where no fires are. So that really got us interested.
And we've heard tree knocks, we've just heard weird things. And then
another experience which Todd will have a further experience in this particular location. This
is after my divorce. But in twenty fourteen, I went with a friend
to Bear Lake in the Sisky Wilderness. It's two lakes. There's an upper
lake and the lower lake, very remote. Not many people go there backpacking.
And he brought his dog, Amos. His name the owner of the
dog is Bob Smith. So Bob Smith and I went backpack. And I'm
getting this straight because some got confused about the son some other podcasts. So
Bob Smith and I were backpacking. His dog, Amos, was coming with
us, an old basset hound, and he was going pretty slow. So
Bob said, I'm just going to stay with Amos. We'll just we'll catch
up later. So I waited and waited. I got to the lake,
and finally he showed up and his dogged it. So I went looking for
him. I said, hey, I didn't see for so a mountainline didn't
get him. I think he's okay. Maybe we went back to your truck.
Maybe he said forget this and went back to the truck, which in
the end was the case. So the next morning he was still worried about
his dog, and he decided to go looking for his dog. And I
was there at the lake and I was actually reading a book by David Politis
on the Hoop Hop Project, and I had binoculars and there was a bunch
of deer grazing across the lake. And at this time there was a thick
grove of trees. Now unfortunately a fire has burnt most of that, but
anyway, I just know s these deer were acting extra weird, because deer
are always very suspicious and they look up and any sound. But they were
acting extra weird. And all of a sudden, I just heard this loud
roar and I heard limbs breaking, and it just freaked me out because that
was no bear. That roar that went forth. It was so loud,
and you could just hear something huge going after those deer, and some of
the deer swam into the lake. So that definitely was an experience that got
me thinking. And then we later when he came back holding about the experience.
I had put some apples in a couple of locations because I was going
to go look my curiosity, which probably looking back, it's stupid in a
way, but you just wonder hoping their docile, but you don't know because
I hear some other stories. We found one of the apples missing and he
goes, hey, if it was a bear, it would have taken both.
Why did it only take one? And then we were heading down towards
the lower lake and we found some huge footprints. So that definitely was another
experience that was closer than some of the ones in the previous with my family.
Other than my sons, I wasn't with him on that occasion. Yeah,
I can't imagine waking up to that and something picking up your backpack in
the middle of the ninth then had to be a scary situation. Toddy mentioned
that you had another experience in and around that same area. Can you talk
a little bit about that. Yeah, Actually it was at the same lake.
Doug had pulled me that experience, so we decided to make plans to
go back there. So I think it was in two nineteen August. Yeah,
we backpacked in, went to the I guess the south end of the
lake under these trees and the Grover trees right on the lake. We get
there and there's a cat site that all this shovel. It's like they were
camping and they to grab their backpacks and left. There's harps, there is
food, there's pots and pans, just everything just like they just grabbed their
backpacks and left. So we cleaned up. We put all in the tarps
and there was a lot of stuff. There was four of us there.
The first night, there wasn't much going on. We're pretty pretty tired.
We went right to bed. The next night, the other two guys that
were with us, Blaine and Caesar, they had a little streiens. They
were hearing things coming in to the camp. I was out. I didn't
even really get up. But the third night, Caesar was gone. There
was only three of us there, and the night before we had heard some
knocks before we went to bed. This night it was silence. We did
hear clinging noises like hands, the pots and pans are being clang together.
We figured maybe they had picked up some cans that these campers had left or
whatever. That night I'd done to bed Doug and blame I guess we're awake.
They had gotten up in the middle of night. I heard him talking
and I woke up. I said, Hey, what's going on? And
they said, hey, We've been trying to wake you up for a couple
of hours because they've been hearing somebody coming into camps from all sides. There's
noises and the bushes and they were getting the fire going way big. So
I got up and use the bushes and I came back and we sat down
by the fire for probably about an hour. All the noise kind of stops.
Then we decided to go back to bed. Doug and Blaine started snoring
right off. They're out. I was laying there on the ground inside my
tent. I couldn't sleep. I could see the fire dying down through the
tents. Finally it basically went out, and I started hearing noises in the
bushes and I'm laying there, I'm lifting and they're getting closer and closer,
and then the footsteps started coming in along with trail and I could feel the
footsteps in my back because I was laying on the ground, I could feel
the like the where they call him the impact tremors. And this thing got
right next to my tents, and I wanted to look out my tent,
but I was so scared I couldn't even move. And I was laying there
for probably about a minute or so, and then I guess one of the
logs had broken off and fell back into the fire, and the fire raised
back up, and this seing took off out of the camp and I could
tell he was a bipedal animal. It wasn't a bear. It had to
be a squats or a man, but I don't see a man being out
there, and the weight of it causing the impact tremmors where I could feel
them in my back. Then I woke up with them in the morning and
that was it. We were fine. Actually that day too, me and
Blaine were out on the other part lake and we were hearing across a lake
from tree knock and tree breaks when Doug was gone for a time. But
now, that was a pretty wild experience, just feeling those impact trummers in
my back. That was a unique experience. People have talked about that before
on the show, about how big some of these creatures are and how heavy
they are, and hearing and feeling the footprints, and I've heard vocalizations of
what I believe to be sasquatch here on the property, and that in and
of itself is something that's very hard to explain. When you hear like an
ohio howel type call or these yells that these things do, it's something like
I've never heard before, and it's really difficult to explain to people who've never
had that experience because it's not that you just hear it, you feel it
as well. So I couldn't imagine being laying there and then this thing walking
up and feeling the tremors. Whoever wants to take this as far as leading
us into the finding of the track, way, I don't know which one
you want to start that off and talk about it, but let's get into
that. Let's talk about the area that you guys were in, what kind
of research were you doing, had you had other experiences leading up to that,
and then let's get into and talk about the track where the guests found.
Yeah, we've had lots of other experiences, and what you said about
the roars, I agree with you because that roar I had at Bear Lake
sounded like the loudest vibrating roar that just went through your body, and it
sound like a gorilla because I've heard bears that this was no bear and just
the way it was breaking through those trees. And we've had a few other
experiences over the years. So that's got us to decide to focus on the
go road a little bit. Which is the go road is the Gaskey the
Orleans Gaskey Road, which was near where the famous Patterson Gimmlin film was shot.
So it's a paved road that they never finished because of all the Sasquatch
activity they had in the fifties and sixties and so forth. That's where they
were throwing the drums and they were fighting footprints and so forth. So we
go up that lot because there's some really cool primitive camp sites up there,
and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to Seaward right back after these messages,
one being Laos Camp, another's Beans Camp. There's Elk Valley at the end
of the road. These are all places where you can camp for free.
Cedar Camp we've been there unfortunately that got burnt this summer by Mosquito Lake were
bombed about that. Just Todd had a good experience with his brother in law
carry there last year. So we've had just various experiences and we just like
to go up there and try to go down logging roads that have been abandoned
basically, and so during the winter we just usually try to get up as
far as we can in the snow and look around because we figure that would
be a great time to find prints if we can find them, because dearly
prints, cougarly prints bear rabbits. And so that morning we decided to do
it. So it was Carrie Todd and myself and we went up April thirtieth
and started driving up the Go road. And we had gone like Todd had
mentioned before, we made it up six miles like two or three weeks before,
so the snow was starting to melt. We made it up to ten
miles this time, and we first jumped out found some interesting things, but
then we drove up to where no one had been and when we jumped out,
we go wow, look at that, and we saw a trackway that
went well over one hundred yards up the hill to a place where the asphalt
was melted through and came back down and we were going uhh, and so
we were just stopping to look and then Carrie looked down and says, hey,
this has toes in it. And then all sudden we just got really
excited. And that's where we made a few airs in the sense of we
had tape measures, we didn't pull them out. Fortunately, I didn't think
a video where we had just barely start walking up and I thought to myself,
I better take a video of this before we start ruining it, because
we're walking around looking at the distance between the prints and so forth and how
big they are. And some other podcasts encouraged us to really start casting a
lot more, which we're definitely going to start doing that. Looking back,
we both think, wow, we could have done this so differently, and
then we'd even take out even more of some skepticism that some people have had.
But I tell you it was the most amazing. Fine, because I've
had these experiences, but this was like the closest thing to when you see
real footprints in the snow, You're just like, wow, it sends you
to a different spot that you have to really ask yourself, this just could
be real, because I've always been someone that would like to think it's real,
but I'm like less strouted. I want to see it to believe it.
And so that's the beginning of it, and then talk and going to
more of it. Yeah, we got to the this site where we found
the Prince. We had driven through a couple of the areas that had snow
still on the road. The first one was a few inches sack, but
there was no tracks, no the tire tracks show we know no one was
there yet. And then we went through another section that was about six inches
deep, and then we went through another area that was like a foot deep
that we did get through, and then we rolled up to this area that
we couldn't get through. It was a couple of feet deep. We stopped
after where we found the Prince. One of the things that impressed me about
the Prince was the toes. You can really see the outlining of the toes
and a lot of them, and you can also see the mid tarsal break
because the toes went down in the snow for the mid section of the foot
to the back was flattened and the toes went down deeper probab about the inch
deeper into the snow, which unless you have a mid tarsal break in your
foot, that's were going to happen. The strides of the footprints, the
one's going up with four feet apart the gate, which is pretty good.
I mean at a fourth foot of mine is probably truth be at the most
the good sized gate. The tracks and themselves were about four inches long six
inches wide. They weren't the longest prints, but the width and the depth
of them, the depth they were in some areas four to six inches deep
into the snow. We were jumping in the snow on our boots. We
had boots on, and we were going maybe an inch into the snow.
So this animal had to be at least five hundred pounds. It's thought more.
I tell you the photographs that you guys sent me. I know you've
got some other stuff. I haven't seen the video yet, but the photo
that you sent me were impressive. And the thing that got me was how
far out you guys were into the wilderness. Typically, I don't know how
it is out there. We do get snow here in North Carolina. We
got twenty three inches of snow here a couple of years back on property.
And I tell you one thing I didn't do. I didn't take my shoes
off and go walk around barefoot in the snow. So that was one thing
that impressed me. I was taking notes as you guys were talking about the
size. You said about twelve inches long, about six inches wide, and
you say it was maybe one hundred yards or so that this wind or how
could you tell? Did you guys count how many total footprints that you guys
saw in the trackway? We didn't count them, but there had to be
at least one hundred prints. We have probably forty or fifty pictures and a
few videos. Yeah, in this area in the wintertime, it's completely death
of late because you can't get up there the first department. There's gates that
they shut off certain parts of the area and the go goat is usually inaccessible
until mid April because of all the snow. And when we know this area,
we were the first ones that got to this point because of the snow
on the road that we went through, there were no footprints or any tire
tracks at all, but we know we were the first ones to get to
that point. Yeah, and another thing too, I would say it was
four to five feet. I tried to step between them, and I was
total spread eagle to where if I would have tried to take one more step,
I would have fallen in the snow. So that's how far they were
uphill, But downhill they were eight to ten feet apart. As if it
was running downhill or ran uphill and walked downhill. We almost wonder if he
heard our truck or someone else's truck. We're not sure because that day we
were the only ones there. We only saw one other vehicle the whole day,
and that was at the end of the day because we ended up going
back to the spot where Todd had that first sighting and found a nest in
that air because that snow had melted. So that was interesting too. And
but yeah, it gets a lot of snow here in the winter because it's
like a north basing road, so it'll stay there sometimes till May, even
on lighter snow years. This show is an extremely heavy snow year. There
were snow at Elk Valley because this road goes literally Orleans is completely if you
go there, it's a thousand people and it's forty five minutes north of Willow
Creek. So there are times where you drive Highway ninety six from Willow Creek
and I've taken it all the way to Waireka or to I five, but
especially from there to Psalm's Bar. Sometimes will depending on the day, you
may only see one car pass by. That's in the summertime even And so
here you are with this road that goes off right at Orleans, and it's
just this paved road that goes into the middle of nowhere. It's thirty plus
miles long to the end of it. It's paved, and then you have
a lot of other roads off of it, which Todd mentioned that they locked
the gate, so over five six months of the year you're closed off until
some of these camps and stuff. And it's a huge area toos it's not
a small area. It is gigantic. And so all those factors to gather
and to find something that was going almost five feet up hill and eight to
ten feet downhill. We got video of all of it. And when we
first saw it, and we were saying one hundred yards, but we've been
looking at it again and it could have been even further. It could have
been one hundred and fifty yards, because when you're looking up a road in
the middle of nowhere, you just gaestimate it's one hundred yards, but it
could have very well been longer. And we went up even two weeks later
after that and had made it up to mile thirteen, because we made it
to mile ten on this day, so we went up further and the snow
was really deep there and I ended up hiking up aways several hundred yards up
that snow, and I found tracks that looked very similar to the ones that
I had seen April thirtieth. It's just that I took a couple pictures of
those. I didn't take a video because they were just harder because they had
been sitting in the snow for so long, you just because snow can make
things change. But I did see that foot, that toe, that big
toe that really stands out, and it looked close to the same size,
so we know it wasn't a full grown one, but we think it might
have been maybe a juvenile or something. But the fact that it was twelve
inches long and six inches wide. And this is another thing too. I
don't know if you've seen Jonathan, he did a seventeen minute documentary on our
He has all the videos in it. This is one thing I was mentioning,
if it was a human foot, it had an arch, wouldn't you
see the ball of the foot and the back of the foot, because we
have an arch. These things do not have an arch. So those things
alone tell you this was something amazing that we found. Are you talking about
Jonathan Easily Perhaps Jonathan Easily. Yeah, he did a documentary because they came
and visit us at Laos Camp, him and Tate Horonymous because of these findings.
And we sent them the videos of the track waste and it's a seventeen
minute video and you check that out and you can see all the video we
took too on that. But we'll send this also because since this time,
we've put it all together so that he can send it quickly, because we're
starting to realize we need to get some kind of name going here and stuff,
because this is catching on and we're just basically novice that kind of stumbled
into this, just having our little bit of fun. And now we're realizing
while we've discovered a few things, and I think we've had more activity than
we realize because we've had a lot of activity over the last few years.
That just tell us that we're hitting the right spots. Anyway, you mentioned
it, Doug, and I wrote it down as I'm taking note to you
talked about going to a different area in the same general vicinity and seeing what
you believe to be a nest. What did that look black and what did
you guys find? Okay, would you like to share that? Todd?
Sure. On that day when we found the prints, we drove back down
that road that we had gone down do monthing before and we cleared out a
big section. We got to the area that we had the experience, so
we drove up behind it. There's another road that drove up behind the area,
and we got up there and we walked around, checked it out.
Then we drove up the road another fifty yards and we found Doug was in
back seat and yells, hey stop, and we saw these trees down.
The trees were looked like they were naturally like a natural fall, a big
clump of trees, but it was dug out or it was the branches were
broken off, he could sell they were broken broken off and it was made
into a little cave. And we found a couple of prints on the side
of the hill going down. Those were pretty big, and yeah, we've
that nest. It was probably a good five feet in and probably ten feet
long. I got inside of it and laid down, and they looked like
they had matted down the leaves and made it a nice little bed. Obviously
it wasn't like a nest. I'm sure it wasn't. That's where they were
there for a long time, but maybe they just made it to hang out
for a little while. But what's so amazing about that is the fact that
it was only a few hundred yards from where we had that experience where he
saw the fur and the tree shake with all the snowfall down, because the
road went around behind there, and it was a perfect bandage point because there
had been an old logging road, so you could see how something could easily
get to that cliff area, just real easily and then be gone. But
at that point there was so much snow we were hiking in we couldn't have
driven, but later we could. We got some pictures of that too,
So if Todd sends you all the stuff that he has put together on his
computer, he's included those pictures and there's some videos on it too, so
that'll be something that you might like looking at, because it's not like the
Olympic rainforests nests where they're made of like huckleberry bushes. But it's definitely looks
like it was something made to at least be a temporary location, and I
just find it here is that it is only literally a couple hundred yards from
where that other event took place. Doug, you mentioned this hindsight is definitely
twenty twenty when it comes to being a novice and getting out in the woods
and finding what you consider to be possible evidence of sasquatch, because it's happened
to me several times here on my property. Recently, I stumbled across what
I believe to be a footprint. I've told the story before. I said
I wouldn't go into it in depth, but basically, on a hike looking
around, I looked down and see what looks to be a footprint. So
I take a couple of pictures. I had no casting material, I didn't
have anything with me, a tape, measure, nothing. All I had
was my foot, so I put my foot in for reference. I know
I've got a size eleven boot. I snap a couple of pictures, and
I keep going, but I find some weird tree brakes and some rock stacks,
and what looks like a couple of nest sites where these things are woven
together. And like you said, maybe it's not a permanent thing, but
it looks like something's been bedding down in there. And I don't know how
anything outside of a human being or something with thumbs could weave this together in
this configurations. I found that footprint, didn't cast it. It rained for
three days afterwards, so I couldn't get back to it with material to cast
it. And I don't know, maybe two three weeks later, I find
another footprint on the property here that I was able to cast. We were
talking before we went on the air. I was out of Idaho last month
and speaking at an event with Cliff Barrickman, doctor Jeff Meldrum, and Michael
Freeman. And we go out for drinks the first night we're there, and
I hand my phone to Cliff Barrickman and I'm like, Cliff, take a
look at these pictures. Let me show you what I found. Cliff looks
at the first couple of pictures of this what I believe to be a footprint,
and he goes, Dude, that's definitely a sasquatch print. It's one
of the best ones I've ever seen. You should have casted that. And
I'm like, oh my god, are you kidding me? Because of course
I'm skeptical about this, right, I find something like that on my own
property, and the first thing I go to, I'm an Ockham's Raiser kind
of guy. It's probably a bear, it's something else, or maybe somebody
got onto our property and has a weird looking foot and decided to walk through
through bear. I don't know, but when you got somebody like Cliff,
and I trust Cliff implicitly. He's been doing this for a long time,
and he's looked at a lot of pictures, and he's looked at a lot
of foot castings, and the first thing out of his mouth is, Dude,
that's a sasquatch print. I was blown away. Now the one I
casted, you know, I showed him some pictures of that. I didn't
take the cast with me, but I showed him some pictures. He was
like, Hey, that could be a double bear step. I'm thinking the
same thing. That's the first thing I said when I put it out there
is that this could probably be a bear double steping, because we know we
have black bear on the property. We've ran into him, we've physically seen
them here, so we know they're here. But I go and hike my
neighbor's property just about a week ago, and I'm hiking up on the back
of this ridge and I've posted it on social media. You guys can see
it on Instagram and out of our social media. But I find a tepee
structure that's clearly been made. It is a huge teepee structure, and some
other weird things where trees have been taken, saplings have been bent around and
stuck underneath dead wood. There's no way this happened naturally, if something with
thumbs did that. And I find two foot prints up there. I'm walking
and I clearly see that big toe sticking out, and I'm on the back
of this ridge where I'm having a hard time navigating, and me and I
had three other people hiking with me. We were having a hard time navigating
and hiking boots. Nobody's up there barefoot, And of course I didn't have
casting material, so I had to go back the following day. Fortunately,
it didn't rain, and I got to cast those two prints, and I've
casted four other prints on the property than the last couple of weeks. I
haven't even talked about it on the show. I'm not even posting on social
media because it's beginning to be ridiculous how many footprints I'm finding all of a
sudden, and I don't know what's going on, or I don't know what's
causing it, but I'm casting it. And I know if you talk to
Cliff, I think you guys had said you would at least interviewed with Cliff
and Bobo. I know Cliff is probably the first person to tell you you
got to cast everything that you come across. That's one of the things that
I talked about with Cliff was these casts that I'm doing. Some of them
are horrendous. They look great when I take the pictures, they look great
when I'm looking at them, and then I pour the casting material and they
come out just like a big gass clump. It's like nothing there. And
surprisingly, when I told this to Cliff, he's, dude, don't beat
yourself up, because here's the thing about this, and I'm giving this to
you guys because you're in the same situation as me. You're not a professional
Bigfoot researcher. But when you find things, make sure you cast it.
Because Cliff said to me, all these perfect casts that you see that people
show pictures of and that are making into the books, typically those may not
be real. Honestly, if they look too good to be true, they
probably are. And Cliff was like, if you're casting stuff that looks like
absolute shit when you get finished, you're probably doing the right thing because those
are probably real prints because they don't always get pressed in far enough to make
a good cast. Now, I casted some just yesterday that are pretty impressive.
They're probably three inch because of the material that whatever this was stepped in.
So that's the first time I've been able to cast really decent looking prints.
And I'm probably not going to show them online because I'm not going to
put up with the haters. They are going to say they're fakes. I'm
just going to keep them to myself. But I encourage you to do whatever.
And I want to ask this question, and note, I don't know
how feasible this is or if this even crossed your mind at the time,
and either one of you guys are both can answer this. Did you ever
think about possibly even going back later that day or trying to go back the
following day and cast them, or was casting at that point just not even
on your radar. We think that you could cast snow because of the weight
of the casting material, which we talked to Clifton. He said, yet
it can be very hard casting. And now you can buy us for material,
some kind of snow wax you spraying there to hardens and then you can
put the I guess the law enforcement uses it to ask tire prints and stuff,
but we didn't think it was any way to do it, so we
didn't even We figured take pictures and some videos. That's probably the best that
we could do at that moment. However, this is our ace in the
hole in this whole situation because Bobo immediately, not just Texas, he called
us and goes, I'm in Portland, I'm coming down. Those are the
most amazing prints I've ever seen. Where'd you do that? And so we
said, what's been raining a little so we're worried that maybe they're going to
get muddled a little bit. Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otsey right back after
these messages. So what he did is he sent a good friend of his
that he had done all kinds of different activities including squatching for over forty years,
who lived in Happy Camp, which was about probably about forty miles north
of there, and he came down later that day and saw the Prince and
that's what stepping all over the place. He saw the Prince and he reported
back to Bobo. They're real and they are the best prince I've ever seen
in my life. And they actually dedicated that podcast to this man because his
name was Larry. He was a logger by trade. He was actually going
to be highlighted in this documentary that Bobo's doing of a minor and unfortunately he
had a heart attack just literally two or three days after he witness those prints.
He reported back to Bobo and that's why they got are excited because at
first it was just a report that after that then they knew this is legit
and they are legit backed. Honestly, I'm like you, and it sounds
like you are in an awesome spot. North Carolina too. Is you got
the Appalachian mountains there. I've seen pictures of North Carolina very remote and I
think these things are all over the place. When you talk to people and
explain to them, even if you say it's three miles away from your house
or one mile, they think, ath, what's that? But try hiking
that mile down ravines, up ridges. There are so many nooks and crannies,
and that's how it is in our area. I've had a couple of
friends say that was just so many miles up the road. Have you hiked
it. I'm a big time hiker, Like I mentioned before, I've been
hiking the Pacific Crest Trail and I've just hiked long miles. I've been all
over the Trinity Alps. Every turn you take, and if you just go
off trail a little bit, it's just it's like a whole different world.
And I've heard those howls and I've heard different things. We've heard tons of
tree knocks. We've had some amazing other experiences too. And one of our
friends actually said he saw one and that was in another place that we're actually
going to go on Monday and look there because we haven't been there for a
while. We're hoping with the fires, maybe they moved back to that area
because it seemed like they were there, then they moved on, so we'll
see. Yeah, but we are going to cast a lot more because,
believe me, Cliffs banked us on that one. But we had tape measures.
That's one thing. We had our tape measures. And we were like,
so, which when you see something like that, you just your mind
goes crazy and you don't you don't think level headed. I'm just glad we
took some video because that was the most level headed thing we did. Especially
when I took this track way up the hill, I almost wish I would
have taken it back down the hill. I did take it later down the
hill, but we had already started walking around. But I think, if
what ever happens again, which we hope this isn't the greatest discovery we ever
had, because that's sometimes happens, we're gonna be a little more levelheaded.
This time. It was like you're a kid in the candy store. It's
like we were pinching ourselves. Are we seeing what we're really seeing? We
had the hope of finding something, because we always do when we go we
take a day trip or a chemic trip. We want to see something,
find something. But then when you actually do you're still in shock because these
things are just they're unbelievable. When you come across something like this, or
you hear tree knocks, or you hear chatter or anything that you think is
really to seth watch, it's hard to believe. Yeah, and it's the
same thing for me. And I'm glad you said that about the property.
People don't realize how remote you can be. I can get in my car
right now and drive ten minutes and be at Walmart, right a supercenter,
get gas, go to a restaurant, go to Walmart. But if I
leave out of my front door, it takes me. And I'm in decent
shape and I'm a pretty good hiker, It'll take me a minimum of forty
five minutes just to hike straight up to the back of my property. Forty
five minutes now, think about that. That's a long time to be walking.
And like you said, there's a lot that can go on and we
have forty acres. It's not a huge property, but there's nothing around us
but property. There's hundreds and hundreds of acres of woods behind us and on
either side of us, and across the road that we used to get into
our driveway. So it's a remote place. But I too, like you
when I find something on the property, and like I said, it's just
happened the last couple of days. You guys are the only people that I've
told that I found and casted to more footprints that turned out to be really
impressive in my opinion, But I don't share it with people because the second
you do, even though you took video, even though you took photographs,
it had you brought out the measuring tapes. I've even done that. I've
posted pictures of some of the stuff that I've casted here in the past,
and there's pictures with the the tape out showing how big, how wide,
how long, And people don't even look at it, and they're like,
where's your tape measure? Why? And there a tape measure if you look
two more pictures there, dude, there's a tape measure. So it gets
to be to the point where I don't even want to put the stuff out
there anymore. And I used to didn't understand that why would somebody have evidence
of bigfoot sasquatch? People have trail cam pictures, people have videos. I'm
convinced. I know I've talked to Cliff. He has seen some of the
best trailcam pictures ever of Bigfoot that nobody outside of Cliff and maybe five of
the people will ever see because the person refuses to release it for that very
reason. And the second that I started finding things of my own, I
now understand why, because there are so many people out there, keyboard vigilantes
that just want to beat you up anytime you put your stuff out there.
So I'm just not doing it anymore. I'm going to keep it for myself
and it is what it is. And I know that probably pisses people off
when I say that, but I'm just at that point because I understand where
you guys are at. I found prints. The other thing you guys found
a trackway with probably one hundred plus prints. I have found on two different
occasions. I found one single foot print in the mud, and the first
thing people say is, how can there only be one print? Oh,
it must be a big foot on a pogo stick. I've literally made follow
up videos because I walk my property every day and I have four legged dogs.
All three of my dogs have four legs, and every time I go
down a trail, I'll come to a muddy spot right next to some dry
spots. There's one footprint of a dog right there in the middle and no
other prints, so it can happen. And I said all that to say,
no matter what, document, take the photographs, take the videos,
and if you can carry some casting material. I now have a backpack that
has nothing but my casting stuff in it, and I do not hike anymore
without having my casting material with me. So if I run up on something,
I'm definitely going to cast it again, whether nobody eutsees it or not.
I know that had to be exciting for you guys. Obviously you said
it's taken off for you. Guys, you're doing podcasts, you're talking about
it. What's next for you, guys? Are you just going to continue
to go out there and have these experiences. I'm always curious what makes people
tick once you see one of these things, or once you get that piece
of evidence. Some people just say, Okay, that's enough for me.
I'm convinced. Is that the case for you guys? Todd will start with
you. Is it driven you to go out and find more stuff and want
to have more experiences? What's next for you? Man? Our main purpose
is going out in the woods, camping, enjoying each other and drawing our
families and having fun. The Bigfoot research is secondary, but yeah, we're
still gonna keep going camping and we're gonna do our semi research. We do
have in my truck now, I carry a bag full of casting materials,
tape, measure different things, so that way we have it at my truck
all the time. So if we're out there, we have the children need
to do cast things, and we're facing there's one person online that just keeps
ragging on this prince saying they're fake, it's a hoax and stuff, and
there's just no way that someone could have hoaxed hoax. We did hoped that
for sure, we got there at nine o'clock in the morning, we would
have had time to hoax and if we even tried, which we would even
waste our time hoaxing and spending in a couple of hours trying to make Actually
these tracks probably would have taken some of an all day to hoax if even
if they could. But yeah, we're still going to keep going out.
And I said, we were going on Monday through an area that we've been
before, and hopefully we can find the more evidence and my whole goal.
I would love to see one. Hopefully that wouldn't stop me from going out
into the forest, but I would love to see one just for my own
curiosity. Knowing that good mayte my wife I think I'm crazy, and she
that she's never gone out with us as when we go on our day trip,
so she's ever had any real experiences. So I would love for her
to see you in two just to approve to her that, yeah, these
things are real. So what about you, Doug? Is the same thing
for you? Are you still driven to go out and find more stuff and
you want to have that experience, that close up experience that everybody craves first
and foremost. I'm a real outdoors guy, but I don't hunt. That's
one thing that which doesn't make sense. But I just love the outdoors.
I love being in the wilderness. Just creation around me is so amazing.
I just love it, and so I'm going to continue. I am getting
older, so I realize even though I still am able to hike long distances,
like for instance of Buddy and mine hike sixty miles in four days Yep
in the Trinity Alps and up and down huge ridges and so forth, and
I did the Southern Sierra last year. Fortunately, this year we were going
to continue the PCT. We said, let's just take a year off and
hike locally, and I'm really glad I did because this year was an amazing
hard snow. And I'm not a mountaineer. I've done winter backpacking, but
I'm just not into it at my age anymore. So I do some car
camping. I built myself a little camper, so it's fun to go car
camping and do these hikes. But also I go backpacking at least two or
three times minimum a year. We probably get to the woods once a month
on the minimum, so that's another thing. We are regularly going up there,
sometimes twice a month, and we're fortunate. We're only sixty miles from
these forty fifty miles to sixty miles from these hot spots, and there's probably
even stuff happening even closer than that. So I'm not going to stop because
I'm just curious, because i just feel like there's so much humans do not
know. They try to act like they know everything, but they don't know
anything, and so I'm going to continue on. We are talking right now.
We're right now, we're taking about starting up a little website. We're
in the process of it. It's going to be Bigfoot Wilderness Research, so
it would be the BWR. So I guess since we're putting it out here
on your podcast, we'll have to really up the ante on that. And
Todd got a free drone, which we're trying to figure out. We're not
technologically advanced, so we're trying to get it's so imposed. It's the Cadillac
of drones that he got for free from one of his relatives that used it
just for a music video. And we're almost there, it's not quite running.
And then we're going to get some sound equipment too. We've done that
too. We've recorded or used like recorded sounds of chattering. I have an
AMP because I play guitar. That is battery power. We've put that at
the top of ridges. We do tree knocks, but we're getting away from
some of that only because I think they know humans are just trying to mimic
them. So we just are going to keep investigating, not going to it.
I'd like to see one too, Yeah, I'm right there with you.
I'd like to see it at maybe fifty miles an hour and me driving
by in a car. I think I'd be okay with it. I will
definitely post the stuff that we've talked about, the pictures in the video.
You guys can head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com check out
the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the top of the page. We'll have everything linked
there. I may even linked to Jonathan's video on YouTube. I'll shoot him
a text and see if maybe I can get some audio and stuff from that
and maybe included in here for you guys as a little teaser. But Todd
Doug, I really appreciate you guys coming on and I'm no people are looking
forward to seeing the pictures in the videos, and we appreciate you sharing your
experiences. Thanks. Thanks luck, Yeah, thank you, and you keep
squatching too. It sounds like you are in an awesome place. That's your
backyard. That's that's awesome, Brian. They say you don't gotta go home.
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