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twenty four. Allegedly, according to
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the O'Kelly effect you listening to it, It is Wednesday, wodnes Day,

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as I speak, live middle of
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But anyway, here we are.
Larry Hancock is with me as he

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is every other Wednesday as of late, and glad to have him along.

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Why because he gives us the grand
context, the context of most subjects.

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Now often we do discuss the jfk
assassination, but that will not be the

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case tonight at least you know who
knows. Maybe it'll get an honorable mention,

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but not the focus of tonight's show. Anyway, you know who Larry

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Hancock is if you're a regular listener, But if not, we go to

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larrydash Handcock dot com. That's Larry
Hyphenhancock dot com and check out his work.

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His blog over there, which is
interesting, will keep you up to

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date on his many works and potential
books. Apparently we found out last time

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we talked to Larry that the work
on Oswald in Three Dimensions or whatever that

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finyl title is going to be.
And if you've been listening to my show,

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you might say that Larry should ask
his wife about that, because she's

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come up with some good titles in
the past. Just saying, and you

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might have learned that when we did
the Larry Hancock collection. Anyway, Yeah,

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he's working on this thing on Lee
Harvey Oswald, taking another look at

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him. And we discussed it last
time and we'll be discussing it more in

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the future, especially if it comes
out in book form. But Larry takes

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up a whole lot of spaces on
my bookshelf. Surprise Attack, Shadow Warfare,

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The Awful Grace of God, some
things he co authored, a lot

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of things he co authored, some
with Stu Wexler, also an excellent guest,

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somebody I'd love to speak with more
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year sometime if I can get in
touch with stew anyway, all that aside,

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Yeah, like I said, Larry
takes up the largest amount of books

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on my shelf for one singular author. And someone would have talked, well,

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Gee, creating Chaos, unidentified you
know what, I'm wasting a lot

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of time here already, and I
don't want to list all of Larry's books

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and describe him because the hour will
be gone just like that. Larry,

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how are you doing tonight, sir? I'm good Jack. We're kind of

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having an early spring here and I'm
really enjoying the warmer weather. Right last

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time we spoke, I think it
was kind of cold in your neck of

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the woods, wasn't it. We
had ten inches of snow last week.

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We're out of power for about thirty
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different last week. Oh man,
I'm sure you were prepared and all that

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good stuff. You have wind up
radios and flashlights, right, because I

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have a couple of those around,
just because I don't want to be stuck

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and oops, the bees are dead. You have a couple of those around,

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right? Oh yeah. We go
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We're pretty much prepared to go for
at least a week without power without too

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much difficulty. Excellent. Well,
good to know Larry. That way,

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I don't have to worry when I
see a storm in your neck of the

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woods. But anyhow, look,
unfortunately, I have this upbeat sound in

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my voice. But we're going to
talk about something that is pretty dark and

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dirty and is current not necessarily the
historical topic, but you got to look

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back at history to figure out what's
going further. And I'll set it up

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this way. Quite often I have
said that I feel like and I may

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not be right because I try to
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But the truth is, I often
feel like we are either quite close

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to the precipice of going over the
cliff when it comes to not the end

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of the world or the disaster.
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but entering that time when we might
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stage of history that is going to
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There are others out there who have
said we're already there. They're just

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lying to us about it and for
some reason trying to keep us calm here

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in America regarding it because from a
technical position, we haven't taken any heavy

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losses yet in this constantly erupting conflict. Others say that we're overreacting because there

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is always you know, it's man's
nature after all, Just like in KRMEI

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Sabastano's book Right Violence in Our Nature, The Human time Bomb book. I'm

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referring to. You know, all
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Right Are we at that point?
Are we not? Is there something to

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compare it to? Well, sure
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were called world wars. Would I
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or in an intense portion of it? Absolutely not. But at the same

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time, I do recognize that we
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I'll pull up that definition that I
found regarding when it is you can or

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should declare that it's a world war. But Larry, where do we begin

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with this topic? Do we look
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parallels or should we look at what's
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to dress down this situation and give
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we are indeed either at the precipice
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World War three, I think check
the right context is to look back and

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in terms of conceptualizing World War thinking
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thirty eight through nineteen forty nineteen forty
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there was a world war in existence. We just weren't participating directly in terms

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of mobile in troops, sending troops
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in you know, attacks on our
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far as the rest of the world
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okay, And I think that's what
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our benchmark. It doesn't if there
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directly involved. And one of the
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kind of a prejudice view in terms
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bad, nothing's really happening, because
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Well, the world is a bigger
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small it is cotting recently, right, right, right, And look,

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it's gotten smaller because our communication is
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like we would automatically assume that the
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and more of a happening, so
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look back at World War War One, which I'm pretty certain was kind of

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declared a World War again before the
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saying again as in just like World
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two different perspectives in play here that
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and the one is indeed, whether
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qualify or disqualify what is happening regarding
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If we look at Wikipedia, for
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and I hate Wikipedia, but sometimes
concise is concise, so I gotta go

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with it. A world war is
an international conflict that involves most or all

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of the world's major powers. That's
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is reserved for two major international conflicts
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twentieth century, World War One from
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Two from nineteen thirty nine to nineteen
forty five, although some historians have also

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characterized other global conflicts as world wars, such as the Nine Years War,

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the War of the Spanish Succession,
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Napoleonic Wars, and Cold War and
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saying and because I was missing the
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on my part. But the point
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been sort of classified as world wars, but the declared generalized state of world

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war is only your conflicts from nineteen
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to nineteen forty five, And often
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World War Two because it sort of
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the twentieth century, and quite frankly, I think it severely influences or extremely

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influences the circumstance we find ourselves in
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g let's look at it coming up
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guess right, yeah, eighty years
nearly ago when it ended. Okay,

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so nineteen thirty nine to nineteen forty
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with what events occurred there necessarily,
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That wasn't what it was. Were
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US entered it? And did it
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The general definition again from Wikipedia.
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conflict that involves most or all of
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the first thing to determine is what
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they become involved? And I think
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today. But maybe we should begin
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Larry, what do you say,
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with nineteen thirty eight thirty nine,
because there's one piece of differentiation going on

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here. You can have a world
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or most all of the are involved. They don't necessarily all have to

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be fighting each other at the same
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way. I mean, for example, at the beginning of World War two,

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Italy was very much involved in warfare
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Okay, Germany was involved in the
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in Europe you could have considered a
Poland a major power. China was involved

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in a major long term war in
Japan and Korea. I'm sorry vice versa

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Japan in China and Korea. You
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around the globe with several major powers, and for that matter, were we

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involved, certainly with Lyndley's with British
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with Britain at that point in time
that we were playing with Ukraine now or

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should be playing with Ukraine now.
Sorry, little prejudice there. So again,

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wars around the world constitute global war. It just becomes a question of

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when everybody unilaterally decides it's time to
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to some extent is beginning to happen
now. I mean, for example,

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we have North Korea, who just
in this past week has changed its old

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stance towards South Korea. They used
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incorporating the two nations commonalty. Now
North Korea has decided that they don't want

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to play that way anymore, and
as a matter of fact, they may

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just decide to go ahead and take
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Okay, a big sea change really
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just kind of blew away a whole
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of the players in this are very
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They are states that are nation states
that are really essentially dictatorships where one

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clique, one power, one individual
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can issue an edict and that's the
way it is. I mean essentially,

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now Putin has fully militarized Russia and
taken Russia into some none of us thought

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could happen, a fully mobilized,
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and we're we're not really facing that. So in North Korea, in

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Iran, in Russia, we have
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their clique can make those decisions regardless
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We thought there'd be on opposition in
Russia. Didn't happen. But that's

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that takes us back to a position
where it's almost like you're on the precipice

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because you can have all of these
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everybody can vote on an alliance.
Not everybody, but those individuals like North

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Korea and Russia, where now the
majority of the ammunition being used on the

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Ukrainian front is from North Korea.
Amazing. Well, but that's where we

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are now. But it's not unlike
nineteen thirty eight. Yes, global wars

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just on the cusp of choosing sides. But a serious contrast here is that

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the Russian Federation of today is not
the Soviet Union of that time period,

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right. You know, the Soviet
Union had a lot more satellites than it

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does now, you know, than
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more territory, was more expansive,
there was more involved there. Now.

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I always thought of it, and
this was something that I didn't realize was

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incorrect until maybe, you know,
a few years ago, let's call it,

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but several years ago really, But
it's not like it was childish.

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I always thought that it was more
about how much of the world was involved.

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Like once you have you know,
border wars between different nations, Okay,

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that's one thing that's like always happening, it never ends. But on

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the other hand, to have all
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then that means that whole major region, that whole continent is involved, right,

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you know, the Japanese being involved
in certain things regarding territory in their

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general area. That's one thing but
to have it spread throughout Asia is yet

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another. And then Asia is involved, and thus you know that entire swath

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of territory which is huge. That's
more toward what would be a declaration of

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a world war in my mind.
But it, or at least it used

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to be. But that's not really
the case here. It's not about you

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know, okay, how many continents
are really fully engaged here? Is all

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of Africa engaged or is it just
the northern part which usually seems to be

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the case, like it was with
Italy and its territorial issues and Ethiopia and

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all that French colonization was going on, always had been, and its colonial

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interests. I mean again, they
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all of that before we went there. They had various interests in Asia,

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they're different colonies and losing control of
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I think right in here in that
time of World War two. But is

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France a major power in and of
itself? Not necessarily is that concerned something

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that you know, turns us to
a condition of world war And you almost

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made it sound arbitrary, where well, it just seems as though people declare

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it, and there's an arbitrary there's
not really a standard for this, and

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I can't find a perfect checklist,
right, but one would say that at

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a certain point, when you have
enough fighting going on in enough places and

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a significant thing you said, where
there seems to be two sides or two

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general sides, is it only a
two sided thing? And then those that

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want to stay out of it,
you know, the people that want to

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be neutral at the time that this
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forming alliances on two sides of one
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out whether we're in a conditional world
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are your thoughts there? Well,
I think it's two elements. One,

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as you just said, it's how
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make a very strong historical argument that
during the you know, the American Revolution,

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where we thought all the fighting was
going on here, the rest of

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the world was seeing a global warfare
between France and England, you know,

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throughout Asia, throughout you know,
they were fighting around the globe. We

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just thought it was all about us, but you know, they they thought

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we were kind of, oh,
there's this revolution over there, and you

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know that's a problem, but you
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Indian Ocean are more of a problem
for us, you know, because they're

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destabilizing our convoys to envy it.
You know. So the first it's how

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many places is fighting going on?
And right now we have fighting going on

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at a lot of places. The
second is alliances. And I might have

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said one afternoon, everybody says,
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but that's not really how it works, correct, I mean, right now,

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for example, you have an alliance
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Russia and Iran, Russia and the
Palestinian world because Putin has just invited

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all of the Palestinian leaders to Moscow
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they're going to be part of his
new alliance. Well, that's not a

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formal declaration of the Triple en Taunt, you know, or whatever. But

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the bottom line is, if you
get back to tracing the people and the

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ammunition and the money that's sustaining the
fighting, that's an alliance in terms of

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World War uh In something you just
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Britain, I mean, right now, as of this weekend, there are

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there is a new European task force
sailing to the Gulf to combat healthy read

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healthy slash Iranian attacks on shipping right
now. Yeah, that is so we

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have an American group there, we
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what would you call this generally,
except you have warfare going on or

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certainly in the northern hemisphere. Okay. And that's the thing that connects to

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the US getting itself involved in Yemen, the Huti thing, because that was

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our justification for bombing in uh yeah, in a Yemeny area, which is

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connected to this overall conflict as well. So it's not just as simple as

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who's shooting at who? In other
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of a in terms of what I
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global warfare, let's just call it
that, whatever version it is, that

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isn't going on now, and there's
no sign that it would there's nothing in

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the cards that says it would slow
down. Okay. But the other element

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that you have is again it's actually
this is where it's a bit different than

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nineteen thirty eight originally. But now
you have among that group that I was

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just talking about, you do have
political instability We know there was political instability

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inside Russia, and Putin has managed
to totally crush that. We know that

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there's political instability inside Iran, and
Iran has managed to pretty well crush that.

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There is also increasing political instability inside
China. I don't know how many

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of your listeners have been forming following
the news that the new trend inside China

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is the formation of local militias.
And we're talking about militias that are formed,

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not like our National Guard, but
these these are even corporations or Chinese

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corporations are forming their own militias now
truly nominally under control of the People's Liberation

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Army, but because there is a
lot of China's having a lot of economic

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problems and there's no signs that's going
to get better any time soon. There

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are a lot of demonstrations, a
lot of political unrest over land, real

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estate, and these militias are being
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just prior to October two, you
know the event that sparked the live

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fire events that are going on in
Gaza. Quite honestly, there was a

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lot of unrest in Israel. There
were people protesting with the government and there

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were problems with you know, the
with net and Yahoo and him being up

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on corruption. People protesting against maybe
the compulsory military service or how that was

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being run. They were not happy
with the legal system. It wasn't like

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all was completely peaceful in Israel prior
to this, you know, there was

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a bit of something going on.
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and things over the government and exactly
what type of mistakes are being made and

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things like that. So some of
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of these nation states that got involved
were not necessarily in a just on one

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quiet day shooting broke out situation.
There may have been issues that built up

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tension in a nation state, in
a region, etc. Now China is

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a weird example because again you wouldn't
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of China, but now you have
well armed groups that have been organized whatever

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the reason is, maybe it's an
internal security issue or whatever. But there's

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also you know, there's also a
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for me to follow because I never
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there. Politically, it's very controlled, you know, as far as the

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the the the the centralized government in general.

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were actually having realistically. Is it
being made to look bad so that people

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don't get too afraid of the big
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cetera. You know, to me, it's always a propaganda issue, and

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you got a temperate when you're looking
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Russia is that I don't know if
that was a matter of propaganda where people

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were saying that Putin was in a
problematic position before this, or now he's

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in a position of, you know, the people don't feel really good about

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his leadership or whatever, and people
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was ill, I mean, and
so on and so on. Sometimes it's

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difficult to know whether we're looking at
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But I think we have a couple
of benchmarks in terms of China.

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We do have economics, We do
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bank is doing, you know,
so there's no propaganda there if their central

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bank takes certain measures, or if
their stock market essentially crashes, or if

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they put certain limits. I mean, that's that's basic economy. Either they

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do or they don't. You can
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don't think there's anybody that's looking at
there, even the numbers their government is

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publishing, and thinking that the Chinese
economy is underperforming expectations. I guess you

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would say, because they've they have
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last two or three decades. I
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They made huge investments in real estate
that now in any event, so we

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do have that benchmark. In Russia. I mean, I think it's fairly

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reasonable to say that. I mean, it seems like ages ago, but

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it wasn't really ages ago. When
you had a convoy marching on Moscow being

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well received by most of the cities
that was passing through, and you know,

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with two major military leaders essentially about
ready to go over to it,

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you know that's that was real.
There's no hiding that. Now, Putin

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put that to bed, and Putin
has a very direct way of putting those

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things to bed by killing people.
You know, that's it works for a

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time at least, So I think
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think what I'd like to focus on, Chuck, is the difference here is

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let's say that we're we have global
war, So okay, is it going

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to get better? Is it going
to get worse? The real question is

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there's a lot of fighting going on. Can we hope to see a downturn

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in it, you know, by
by whatever. And the problem is that

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we now have at least three governments
North Korea, Russia and Iran who's who

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have are operating on a military footing
in some cases with Iran, and some

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of it not even necessarily being under
their direct control. But the point is

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the regimes in power are stable to
the extent that they are committed to military

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action, that they have built their
economies around military action, their power based

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is around military action. There's the
putin you know, none of them can

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suddenly this afternoon say, oh,
we made a mistake. We really should

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be buddies with everybody, and you
know, trust me, I just it

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was, you know, we're going
to back off this. China is the

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only exception. They haven't committed themselves
yet, although they haven't really made any

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friends recently with Indonesia or Vietnam.
But I think the concern is for those

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that want to be optimistic about this, there are several of these parties where

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the regimes in power are being sustained
by military action and confrontation, combat whatever.

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So there's there's really no there's no
really reason that they would abandon that.

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That that's that's that's what they're that's
where their power base is, and

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that's what's sustaining them. So why
would they give it. It's like,

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do you think that if Putin suddenly
said, oh, Western Europe is not

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coming to get us. You know, NATO is not about to invade,

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all of that was non sense.
And all the guys that are speaking for

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me that told no, no,
we need to back off, forget this

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huge military buildup that we're doing.
Now I changed my mind. That's not

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going to happen. So yeah,
I think that's a big issue that we

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have now that we didn't even necessarily
have in thirty eight or thirty eight nine.

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We have regimes that are sustained strictly
by their position towards conflict. Right,

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but you know, as China and
the Russian Federation are interconnected, they

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are not reliant on one another.
You know. In other words, the

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Chinese system could stand without Russia.
It doesn't need Russia to exist, and

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the Russian Federation doesn't need China to
exist. They're not, you know,

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really super dependent upon one another for
their existence as some of those alliances were

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in the nineteen thirty eight time period. There were certain countries that were sort

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of dependent upon the bigger powers for
their existence. There were certain regions that

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were dependent upon some powers for their
existence. I think this is a little

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different in that, Yes, Europe
in and of itself, the European Union

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is clearly interdependent because of their arrangements, not just militarily but business wise,

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they sort of have an interdependent relationship. China and the Russian Federation do not.

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And I would say that Putin's not
unreasonable for thinking that he's being encroached

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upon by NATO, given that there
were, you know, there's disputable issues

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about what's on. That's where you
and I would disagree, Okay, But

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even if he felt he was being
encroached on, he just launched an invasion,

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you know, brutal invasion. But
I take your point. China is

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at this point in time, there
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and Iran are tightly bound yes,
economically, I mean, Russia would

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not be doing what it's doing in
combat right now without Iranian ballistic missiles in

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North Korean artilleryshells. I mean,
Putin is tied to them, and they

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are both emboldened by that type.
Try I agree with you. China is

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totally a wild card. All we
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But if China were to do something
insane in regard to Taiwan or quite

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frankly, even Indonesia, where there
is there is open conflict, I mean

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there are military incidents that are occurring
with Indonesia. I mean, so right

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now China is kind of a hope
for sanity, but not in the other

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not with the other three players,
I don't think. And and interestingly enough,

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India is India is another major power, if you will, in terms

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of population, if technological capability,
and at the moment, India to a

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large extent is sustaining Russia with covert
oil purchases. And I'm not saying it's

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not a complex situation. Really,
the simple part at the moment is Russia,

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North Korea and Iran. That doesn't
make it good because that those are

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you know, all three states are
now very heavily focused on a military strategy

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spheres of influence towards world and I
think I think certainly if you were to

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ask Israel, they would would say
that that Iran is a very large part

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of their problem. And yet fascinating
where you know, Putin kind of like

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you said, has indicated that he's
more on the Palestinian side. Seems like

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they're and you know, the United
States clearly is on the Israeli side when

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it comes to that part of the
conflict. It's interesting to me that the

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only thing that I think separates us
from getting to that declaration here where a

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whole lot more people would be saying, I think it's time to call this

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the Third World War, would be
the direct military involvement of China, which

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hasn't happened to a significant degree yet. Yeah, And that would be the

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thing that I think would make it
indisputable. And yet it doesn't feel as

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though the world is mostly engaged in
this now. That could be due to

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the way it's presented in Western media, or that could be due to the

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fact that, as per usual,
North America is not directly involved in the

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conflict, even when our military becomes
directly involved. It doesn't come here exactly,

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does it. Yeah, I think
you're right if you ask our military,

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and I thought they're very well aware
they're at war, you know.

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I I the fact that they're being
constantly rotated, there's spending more time overseas.

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There are combat groups Army, Navy, and Air Force that are in

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constant combat. If you if you
look at their logistics with the amount of

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so, they would certainly tell you
that from their view, yeah, that's

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our day is now combat. You
know, any of them are exposed to

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it at any time. Army,
Navy, Air Force. I think your

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other point about North America, yeah, we're we have we are so have

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become more and more isolationists, more
and more domestically focused. I think if

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you were in Europe, the Middle
East, maybe not Latin America okay,

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and maybe not Africa, agreed,
but northern Hemisphere most most anybody else would

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would you know? The war has
reached out and touched a great many people.

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Uh, we have a compartmentalized it
to a certain extent with our volunteer

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military and the and the fact it's
kind of like Linley's you know the fact

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that right now we're actually paying our
defense companies, you know, to produce

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materials to go overseas, not free
use by our forces by the Ukrainians.

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Uh, and not just the Ukrainians, because we're literally replenishing not just in

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Europe, we're replenishing uh, military
stocks around the world, from Australia to

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uh, the Philippines to you.
It's it's just you don't have the sense

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from what the headlines are in our
newspapers, well, like the amount of

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stuff that's being sent to Ukraine.
When people talk about, well this money

410
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.119
is being spent, well not directly, because what's happening is that already created

411
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.199
assets, elements, you know,
different tools are being sent there and then

412
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.880
they need to be replenished, as
you said, wherever it is they came

413
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:22.440
from. So that keeps the industrial
part of the military industrial complex busy because

414
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.599
they have to produce new stuff to
replace the stuff that is now being siphoned

415
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.679
or funneled into the Ukrainian conflict.
I mean not just there, but a

416
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.440
major portion of those assets are being
funneled into there. So there's the business

417
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.840
end of war as opposed to the
troops. Because look, we don't have

418
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:43.320
a lot of troops coming home from
anywhere. So it's not the boots on

419
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.760
the ground issue. We don't have
you know, bodies coming home again.

420
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.519
Another thing that begins to shake and
move the public's imagination. And believe me,

421
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.000
I'm not looking forward to that.
I'm just saying that at this time.

422
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.920
It also lends itself too well.
There can't be a major conflict.

423
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:07.679
We don't have people dying from our
perspective now. And as you say,

424
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.280
I mean, there are look at
it that way, but we are.

425
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.760
We're not only there are now factories. There are new factories being built.

426
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.079
There are factories that are running three
shifts a day, four shifts a day,

427
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.920
as they said, not just to
produce stuff for Ukraine, but just

428
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:31.480
produce stuff for quite frankly, for
Israel, for all of the other companies

429
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.480
countries where we are we're backfilling and
we're sending uh, you know, Greece.

430
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.719
You know, you could just call
out any number of countries if you

431
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.719
look at the at the sales and
the trade agreements where we are. The

432
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:52.239
Yeah, the military complex at the
moment is is doing quite well, which

433
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.559
is quite reasonably one of the reasons
our economy is doing quite well, I

434
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:05.920
mean, this is an upside economically
for us. It's and the other thing

435
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.480
is really kind of strange is it's
our oil and gas exports are booming,

436
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.559
and if anything, it's easier to
get stuff from us than it is to

437
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.360
get through the Red Sea at the
moment or around the Horn of Africa.

438
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.840
So we are not feeling the pain
here. Well, that was in part

439
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.440
that. Yeah, the article I
covered last night, in part it's responsible

440
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.320
for the headline that's basically states,
you know, why are we doing so

441
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.639
well producing oil and gas under Joe
Biden. Part of the reason is that,

442
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.320
quite frankly, they Sorry, something
is starting to play in my background

443
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.360
here. I'm gonna cut my mic
for a second to fix that. But

444
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.239
part of the problem is that we're
having to create oil and gas to fuel

445
00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:00.679
different operations. And that's part of
what's floating our production right now is resource

446
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.519
allocation. It's not necessarily that the
American public is utilizing this stuff that we're

447
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.760
creating here, but we're exporting it
to the global market. Even if we're

448
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.079
not directly selling it into a military
conflict, we're selling it to people who

449
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.119
end up having to move it into
a military conflict. So our production is

450
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.800
quite high under Biden right now,
as a matter of fact, way higher

451
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.960
than anybody thought it would be,
and higher than it's been in a while

452
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.360
due to exactly what you're saying here. Yes, oh absolutely, And and

453
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:37.159
and the economy in general, I
mean, the economy in general is strong

454
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.000
and it you know, that's one
of the things that strengthened it is strengthen

455
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:47.239
it's here because I haven't looked at
our balance of trade yet late in the

456
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.320
last couple of weeks, but this
there is there is no doubt that this

457
00:38:52.480 --> 00:39:01.199
level of global combat fighting, et
cetera, is benefiting our exports, is

458
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.639
benefiting our economy. And frankly,
one of the strangest things about it to

459
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.800
me is the fact that you know, we have we have incidences where oil

460
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.000
and gas are really to the point
where they should be real natural resources.

461
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.119
I mean, we are going to
be running out of them. But what

462
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.960
we're seeing in Russia and Ukraine is
they're taking each other's oil reserves out.

463
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.480
It's kind of like, oh,
this is great. Now we've turned this

464
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.119
into an energy war. That's the
last thing we needed. The same thing

465
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.360
with the Hate's and Yemen now we've
turned it into an energy war now a

466
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:45.079
global commerce war. So again I
very much doubt that the international shipping firms

467
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:52.239
or even the international air transport firms
would would dodge the question of where they're

468
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.480
you know, that they're seeing a
different world in terms of things that they

469
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.639
have to take either take advantage over
or concerned about, you know, routing

470
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:08.400
flights, routing chips, re routing
personnel, insurance. Yeah, that's back

471
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:14.039
to there is, if not a
global war, global warfare. Fair enough,

472
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:19.360
So let's get to some specific comparisons. Then, if we are indeed

473
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.559
rolling up to about to enter that
time period where it is declared like it

474
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.039
was in World War two nineteen thirty
nine, you know, what are the

475
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.360
differences. Well, we've already discussed
that there were territorial conflicts that were occurring

476
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.320
in a lot more places, I
think in nineteen thirty nine than they are

477
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.440
here. But those aren't the things
that really end up qualifying it as a

478
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:47.480
world war. What are the comparisons
we could make here twenty twenty four to

479
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.679
I don't know, let's even say
nineteen thirty four, if we were to

480
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.239
give it another five years before we
get into World War three, officially,

481
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.119
where would we be standing at as
the time period just before now. I

482
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.800
know that there's a difference in the
pace of it. There's a difference in

483
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:15.960
the reality because communication is faster,
allocation of resources and issues can can become

484
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:22.440
evident much quicker problems. Direct reports
from the battlefield are clarified a lot faster,

485
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.920
or at least the information has transmitted
a lot faster than it was in

486
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.199
the nineteen thirties. I mean,
you couldn't dispute that. So things should

487
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.400
happen at a quicker pace. Maybe
we do have to look at nineteen thirty

488
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.559
four to figure out how we would
get, you know, in the next

489
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.360
five years to nineteen thirty nine,
but maybe it would be the next year

490
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.599
in our current modern state because things
are just simply going to move faster.

491
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.360
What are your thoughts on that and
what comparisons could we make directly, I

492
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.440
mean specifically, I think one of
the comparisons you make, like thirty eight,

493
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:05.760
thirty nine, forty is that basically
to some extent combat had stabilized.

494
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.559
You know, you had the falls
far on the front in France. You

495
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.239
know, it stabilized to some extent
even in China. The Chinese were pushing

496
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:21.719
back against the Japanese to some extent, but at that point in time,

497
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:30.280
stability, stability in a military sense, began appear to various parties as an

498
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:40.599
opportunity. The Japanese saw the American
support for China, the American involvement and

499
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:46.440
resource control. They saw it as
a threat and an imminent opportunity that they

500
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:51.840
had to deal with right now,
So they they pushed. That's what pushed

501
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.599
them over the edge. The Germans, to a large extent, although they

502
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:02.679
didn't start it, saw an opportunity, as did the Russians quite frankly in

503
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.639
Eastern Europe to take territory. And
I think the big, the big difference,

504
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.679
and what the citing point is going
to be is where they or not

505
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:19.639
the players in this see where we
are right now as an opportunity. If

506
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:24.480
they've gone, they've gone so far, you know, and they haven't gotten

507
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:30.440
a reaction that would really stop them
from doing anything there. You know,

508
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:37.559
combat really is limited to a thousand
mile front in Ukraine? Okay, So

509
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:45.599
do does somebody see it as an
opportunity? Okay? Europe can't come up

510
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.880
with enough ammunition to even sustain Ukraine. Why don't we just go ahead and

511
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.840
take Poland? Because I mean,
I'm sure you. Tyler chucked Putin,

512
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:02.320
and several of his most outspoken supporter
have said it's time for them to secure

513
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:09.639
their own security by rebuilt, by
moving west. I mean, so is

514
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.639
there some point that they're tempted to
do that, just as you know,

515
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.199
Hitler was tempted to move east.
You know, Well, they decide it's

516
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:25.239
now, okay, now is the
time, it's I think, and I'm

517
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:30.679
not happy with any of this.
But what happened, what we saw in

518
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.159
nineteen thirty eight thirty nine is essentially
the parties that had initiated most of the

519
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:45.360
warfare, Germany, Italy, Japan
felt that they had an opportunity to do

520
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.039
more, more expansion, more expansion, because nobody had really stood up,

521
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.119
you know, not that there wasn't
some fighting back, but they viewed it

522
00:44:54.159 --> 00:45:00.519
as an opportunity. Well, and
there were different occurrent there were different circuscumstances

523
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.840
here too, where whereas let's just
point out, most significantly Ukraine was part

524
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.960
of the Soviet Union. The Soviet
Union in and of itself was not exactly

525
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:15.840
adversarial to Germany immediately, you know, and they weren't just neutral either.

526
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.639
They were kind of friendly, but
it wasn't clearly that they were their enemy

527
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.039
or you know, they weren't clearly
for or against them. In my mind

528
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:28.440
the way I read history at that
time. Of course, that's the Soviet

529
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.000
Union under Stalin as opposed to you
know, the Russian Federation. There is

530
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.519
a big difference. One two.
You take a look back. You just

531
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.760
said, and people might have thought
they misheard you. The US is support

532
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.960
of China while the Japanese were the
aggressor. That is a circumstance that it

533
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.639
seems like a fairy tale compared to
what we're looking at right now, because

534
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.239
that almost makes no sense given the
current spears of influence in the world today.

535
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.960
It's amazing, and of course most
people don't understand that. Right before

536
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.960
the attack, in the six months
before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the

537
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.880
United States was working with Japan to
create a strategic bombing force. Sorry,

538
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.320
working with China. Yes, it's
the top of the way it should be.

539
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.159
Check you're right, working with China
to create a strategic bombing force to

540
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.840
bomb Japan. Yeah. And it
was in the newspapers and it was like

541
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.480
we're sending our best bombers to the
Philippines and then they will be going on

542
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:37.320
and we're supporting creating a bombing group
in China, and there were maps showing

543
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:43.119
how Japan would be at risk.
So we've lost a lot of that history.

544
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.400
But I think it wasn't insane.
It really was not insane. In

545
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:52.800
the movie Red Dawn, where you
know, the the Communists basically invade America

546
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.400
in the fictional story, you know
Patrick Swayzee in the original and Jennifer Gray,

547
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.800
and they remade it not too many
years ago, and it was a

548
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.800
very confusing plot. But one of
the weird things that happens is there is

549
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:07.280
an American fighter pilot who was shot
down and he says, oh, you

550
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:14.480
know, our only allies right now
is you know, is what's England Australia?

551
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.360
And of course, you know,
half a billion scream and Chinaman or

552
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.159
something like that. And the guys
around the fire go half a billion,

553
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.719
But why only half a billion?
There's like a billion of them, and

554
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:29.760
he goes, yeah, there was. The funny thing is that it wasn't

555
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:34.559
insane in the nineteen eighties to think
that the Chinese would be our ally if

556
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.800
a World War occurred if there was
a major conflict. And by the way,

557
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.599
in Red Dawn, it might be
that they just decided to take out

558
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.119
America. That doesn't necessarily make it
a world war. So both of those

559
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:51.159
things which seem really weird. And
I think Rutger Howard plays the fighter pilot

560
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.400
if I remember right, but it's
almost weird to hear that and people go,

561
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.440
wow, that's like a crazy Hollywood
creation. No, it's based on

562
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.480
the real world. That would have
made sense for quite quite a long time

563
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.280
that the Chinese would have been willing
to cooperate with us, especially if based

564
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.320
with an adversary like Japan, who
you know, went through its fascions.

565
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.079
Again, looked at JP. Sattilli's
work on this and his coverage of the

566
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:22.239
the rise to fascism in Japan,
which made it a completely unrecognizable nation,

567
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.159
you know, compared to what it
is today for us in modern times.

568
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.679
But either way, that that was
the true map of the way it was

569
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.920
drawn back then, so you have
a different circumstance. And again Ukraine was

570
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.840
part of the Soviet Union, so
you know, their actions during World War

571
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.840
two way different than what they would
be today, et cetera. So I

572
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.119
mean, you have a different landscape. You know, Poland's independent at that

573
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.199
time. Hitler invaded it, taking
it over as if it was a territorial

574
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:59.679
right along with Austria. And that
was another thing. The majority of the

575
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.840
power in Europe that were at the
time kind of sitting there going, look,

576
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.079
if you're not going to go any
further, we're going to let this

577
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:10.480
alone. That's appeasement. That's Neville
Chamberlain, right, That's that whole thing

578
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.519
that that Joe Kennedy Senior, you
know, was was involved in and dismissed

579
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:23.119
from the Roosevelt administration as the ambassador
to England because of his idea about appeasing

580
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.760
Hitler, so on and so forth. I mean, well, yeah,

581
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.639
that's where I was really trying to
go, because I think the problem is

582
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:39.719
if the people who initiated the combat
see an ongoing opportunity, there is no

583
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.280
it will be there if you appease
it. If you don't respond to it,

584
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.400
it still makes it an opportunity.
That's why Chamberlain, we you know,

585
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.559
you can't you can't say Okay,
we're good where we are, and

586
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.800
they're going to say, well,
no, we're bitter where we're going to

587
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:59.199
be you know, you've just given
them the initiative. But one other thing

588
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:04.079
I'd like the point out that is
different. It's sort of different. Maybe

589
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:12.000
not during the Cold War, we
always we assumed that nuclear weapons would,

590
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.559
you know, be the endgame.
We could not have a world war because

591
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.800
nobody's insane enough to go nuclear,
which I hope is still true. But

592
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.280
one of the things that we're seeing
now that we have become so much more

593
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:30.840
of a global community in terms of
electronics, if you will, interconnectivity.

594
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:37.280
Forget that we're just we're not what
we were during the thirties in terms of

595
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:45.039
interconnectivity. It's it's far more important
down to the level of agriculture, manufacturing,

596
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:51.599
whatever. And it's interesting that during
World War Two we saw all parties

597
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:59.159
pass up on the use of their
major unconventional weapon, which was chemical warfare,

598
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.119
you know, and they nobody used
it, Okay, so they remained

599
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:10.519
that same and then just fought it
out bloodily with conventional weapons. What we

600
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:16.800
have seen emerge now, especially with
with drones and unmanned systems and what i'd

601
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:25.159
call infrastructure warfare, is that we
face the possibility that a country can essentially

602
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:37.960
neuter another country with conventional warfare simply
by using not non nuclear to to take

603
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:43.760
out infrastructure. And that's that's something
that didn't exist at the time. So

604
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.440
the rules of escalation have changed,
and indeed World War II's rules of escalation

605
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.840
changed because of the trench warfare that
occurred in World War One. There was

606
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.480
a lot of chemical weapons used there. Yes, a lot of it was

607
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.519
you know, simplified things like mustard, gas, et cetera. But still

608
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.039
it's almost like, look, we
already know how ugly and bad and long

609
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:08.960
lasting these problems can be regarding post
conflict cleanup, right, maybe we don't

610
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.559
want to do that again. Is
there a lesson in hand here? And

611
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.079
are we too far away from the
time that big Man and little Boy or

612
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:21.320
whatever they were called, fat Boy, fat Man, little Boy. I

613
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:25.000
forget the names there for the two
bombs that were dropped on Japan, which

614
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.320
indeed were frightening spectacles for the world, but much less savage than the fire

615
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:37.320
bombings that occurred in Japan and later
in Germany that the US Air Force carried

616
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:44.800
out. Indeed, though those spectacles
are not so burned into our memories now

617
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.519
that they would be a great warning
for somebody, maybe is that a possibility

618
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:55.400
or do you think because of the
technological advances there's just more options here?

619
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:01.519
And indeed you can neuter and utilize, you know, that country's resources without

620
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.920
making them all toxic, you radiated, chemically poisoned, as you would have

621
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:14.239
with these other higher level non conventional
warfare elements of the past. There's something

622
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.159
to be said for both sides of
that equation, I think. And as

623
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.199
we come around to just almost an
hour of this discussion where I'd like to

624
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.679
sort of wrap it up soon and
tie a bow on this whole thing,

625
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.960
how is it that you would compare
that? Do you think that any of

626
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:37.519
what I'm saying here has any influence
over the trajectory, the limitations how far

627
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.920
somebody will push things. Obviously,
we've seen that all of these things are

628
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.039
useful as threats. Right. The
idea of biochemical warfare and what could be

629
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.360
loosed and what is being done has
been introduced into the conflict Rhetorically. We've

630
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:57.559
heard the possibility and we haven't heard
it lately, but you know, because

631
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.360
we're deep into the conflict now in
Ukraine. But the beginning, there was

632
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:05.360
an immediate fear that nuclear weapons could
be deployed right away, even if they

633
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.119
were just you know, quote battlefield
end quote nukes or whatever, the tactical

634
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:15.400
weapons, they were possibilities, maybe
smaller ones. And people were also worried

635
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.320
that if Russia felt as though it
was really getting its head handed to it,

636
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.519
that out of desperation for the fact
that, well, if the Russian

637
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.440
Federation is not going to survive this, perhaps we don't care what happens to

638
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:34.519
the rest of the world. We
could see a quick escalation. So the

639
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:39.400
technological and the literal assets, the
literal elements of warfare, the tools of

640
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.360
warfare, and when they are properly
deployed is another question here as we move

641
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.559
forward, So you know, tie
something around that for me, give me

642
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:55.280
an idea what your thoughts are there
regarding the escalation or lack thereof, regarding

643
00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:01.119
the different technologies and types of warfare, because can is what we do see

644
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:06.800
in Ukraine right now, on top
of the rhetorical, on top of the

645
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:13.519
propaganda, on top of the information
and psychological warfare, but it is the

646
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.960
main player there in Ukraine. Is
there a possibility that we could see major

647
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:24.159
escalations and reactions if somebody steps into
the biochemical theater if somebody steps into the

648
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:30.519
use of tactical nukes. If that
happens, things would change immediately, I

649
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:35.679
think. And are we too far
away from World War two to remember or

650
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.840
are we too far away from World
War one to remember the consequence of that?

651
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:44.440
Or have we now regained our arrogance
to believe that we can control the

652
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.159
consequences of that? And I do
mean generally, not just one nation state,

653
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:53.719
but all of them. Have they
fallen into a stupor that is based

654
00:55:53.760 --> 00:56:00.719
on either ignorance or complacency? And
do they lack proper context about the consequences

655
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:05.119
of that sort of escalation or do
you think they're aware of it and that's

656
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.960
why we haven't seen it so far? What are your thoughts? I think

657
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:15.079
I think nuclear is not the real
concern, and if anything, the people

658
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:22.679
that are think still thinking they're safe
because of nuclear and retaliation are probably being

659
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:28.599
a bit naive. What we haven't
seen anybody. We've seen Russia do it

660
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.480
so far. They actually did it
even before Ukraine pull the trigger on what

661
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:45.559
I would call nuanced warfare, combining
cyber warfare with conventional warfare and essentially overwhelming

662
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.239
warfare. I think the model for
what happens next is Georgia and what Russia

663
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:57.400
did in Georgia and the ability that
Russia, Russia now has to say,

664
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:02.440
take cyber warfare and large gale drone
attacks, live bomb attacks, whatever to

665
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:09.920
wipe out the infrastructure of a small
country during winter and give the population no

666
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:17.440
choice but freeze to death or change
your government. I think what's being overlooked

667
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:23.440
is the ability to do that,
not nukes, because you know, again

668
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.920
the equation is, if you read
the news articles, if if Russia just

669
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:35.800
did get five thousand intermediate range ballistic
missiles, which are known now they're nothing

670
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:42.920
more than longer range artillery shells.
You know, the barrage warfare, unfortunately,

671
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.480
is what we're seeing. And when
you combine that may not be a

672
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.159
threat to the United States. Okay, I'm not talking about that, but

673
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:59.679
I'm talking about Taiwan, Japan,
Eastern Europe. You know, to a

674
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:06.199
small all or geography, that could
be overwhelming. And again the problem being

675
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:10.800
is if there are no consequences,
if the consequences aren't obvious, the temptation

676
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.639
will be there. I have no
doubt one of the reasons Putin decided to

677
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.519
go all out in Ukraine is because
he had been so successful in Georgia.

678
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:29.280
It's step by step, it's you
know. So to wrap it up from

679
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:34.559
that perspective, Chuck, I think, you know, I don't think it's

680
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.719
escalating weapons. I think it's deciding
where that next opportunity is going to lie.

681
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:46.519
And as long as as this continues, and you know, Iran obviously

682
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:57.199
saw opportunities in the Middle East to
increase its leverage in Syria for that matter,

683
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:02.800
even Lebanon. As long as they
see that they're opportunities, there's nothing

684
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:12.280
really Their regime needs opportunities as diversions. So I think moving to a different

685
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:16.519
level a weapon is not my concern. My concern is the extent to which

686
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:24.199
these regimes see opportunities. Okay,
So with that in mind, though,

687
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:30.320
I think it's not necessary to have
the Russian Federation involved. Let's just say

688
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.840
theoretically, if fighting came to a
stop in Ukraine, peace were declared,

689
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.000
a deal was struck, and that
was the end of it, and all

690
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:45.960
forward momentum militarily was stopped, I
think that would not necessarily stop the momentum

691
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:50.920
regarding the rest of the world inviedfuly
not. It didn't in twenty fourteen.

692
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:54.119
That's exactly what happened in twenty fourteen. That's what the Ukrainians are scared of.

693
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:59.159
Yeah, twenty fourteen, you had
a peace treaty that said, okay,

694
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.760
we'll never attack you again. Okay, good, But when that lasted

695
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.000
what four years? Yeah, But
putting that aside, even Larry putting that

696
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.360
aside, let's just say that really
there was a cessation here and it stopped

697
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.840
right there. Regarding that part of
what is happening on the global game board,

698
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.239
the truth is, Okay, what's
happening in the Middle East is enough

699
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:22.880
if it continues to spread as it
you know, like, look, we

700
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:28.320
look at both World War One and
World War Two as truly having its seeds

701
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:35.239
in the former Yugoslavia. You know, that thing sort of metastasized and became

702
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.559
and you could see the Middle East, as has been stated many times throughout

703
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.159
my entire lifetime by every analyst known
to man, the Middle East in and

704
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:51.519
of itself could be the metastasizing tumor
that becomes the global conflict all by itself

705
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:57.360
as well. Right, absolutely agree, that would just be if if anything,

706
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.079
the situation you describe would I think
would be thought of as proof of

707
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:06.320
concept. Look out, well that
worked here, Now where can we take

708
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:12.880
it next? So no, that
would not that would not resolve the situation

709
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:19.679
in terms of the global threat,
uh, anymore than I think. Uh.

710
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.480
You know, immediately before, you
know, before World War two,

711
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:30.840
before global warfare, there were there
were agreements and sensations and attacks stopped in

712
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:37.360
certain places. You know, that
didn't change. That didn't change the whole

713
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:42.519
picture. It just stabilized situation.
You know. It's like, okay,

714
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.159
the other shoe is yet to drop. So no, I agree, if

715
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.760
you had if you had peace in
Ukraine tomorrow afternoon, I don't think it

716
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:59.679
would change this the whole global context
of what we've been talking about in terms

717
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:06.599
of Russia, Iran, North Korea, hopefully not China. But you know

718
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:13.039
we just now, as you said
earlier, China is China is an unknown

719
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.360
right still the wild card? Yeah, still the wild wild card. Yeah.

720
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.320
And here's the thing about it,
to again tie a complete bow on

721
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.679
this. Ultimately, we started with
a question, you know, which is

722
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:29.880
are we in a state of world
war and therefore world War three already in

723
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:35.440
progress, or are we on the
precipice. What would be your simple answer.

724
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.519
There is it an overreaction on the
part of people like myself who overanalyze

725
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:45.800
things. Is it is it a
point of really banter for the sake of

726
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:51.320
banter, or are we looking at
something that's academic? What are your thoughts

727
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.199
there? Like, how would you
answer that? Is it already in progress?

728
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:59.079
Do we have a circumstance where it's
about to emerge or is it just

729
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:04.960
an unrealistic and I don't know,
some people showing their fear and others seeming

730
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.480
to believe something ahead of the evidence
being presented one way or the other.

731
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.719
What are your thoughts there? Are
we in that state yet not? Or

732
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.920
is it coming? What are your
thoughts? And we're in that state simply

733
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:24.000
because there are regimes that see that
see warfare as their only real opportunity where

734
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:29.039
the sphere whatever you want to call
it, elevate it up and talk about.

735
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:34.559
They see spheres of influence as vital
to their existence. They see,

736
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:40.280
you know, warfare and a militarized
nation state is vital to their regimes survival,

737
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.000
et cetera. As long as you've
got major power players that are in

738
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:52.840
that mode, you're you're you don't
go back downhill you're at a point of

739
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.440
risk of expanding global combat. I
don't even know if you want to call

740
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.360
it, you know, world war
three, whatever it's. We are in

741
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:08.800
a state of global combat and there's
no reason to think that there's any any

742
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:15.239
immediate way that you can make it
go away because of the of the geopolitics

743
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.000
of the people who see it as
an opportunity. It's kind of the reverse

744
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:26.280
of the military industrial complex, right
that are our thought earlier was all wars

745
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:30.159
are created by the business people.
Don't think that's what we're really seeing right

746
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:36.039
now. Uh, In this case, global combat is being being fed by

747
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:41.719
regimes that see it to their advantage, not a business matter, to their

748
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:49.159
to their advantage from a power standpoint, a control standpoint, different story,

749
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:53.440
right, But there's no reason to
let a good conflict go to waste.

750
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:58.760
And and as per usual wars,
you know, we talked about that.

751
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.119
So no, that that's and unfortunately
we're kind of we're at the moment we're

752
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.760
the ones that are probably profiting more
than anybody else. Right, And look,

753
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:11.360
a war is a business, and
guess what business is warfare? These

754
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:16.199
things do stand and I know it
sounds like a FERENGI you know, what

755
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:23.000
do you call that rule of acquisition? But it is the truth. It's

756
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:28.199
always going to be a business,
and business is almost always good because it

757
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:32.840
is already in progress. And global
conflict is what global business. So even

758
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.519
though it may not be the primary
driver, it's certainly an element at play

759
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.159
at all times. So I advise
you guys to go over to larrydash Hancock

760
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Larryhancock's writings. If you see Larry as

761
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.880
an author or co author, my
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762
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have encountered one of the best things
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763
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.239
and things that are relevant to today. And I would say, just in

764
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:03.880
closing that although just like you know, business is not the main driver for

765
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.840
warfare, I would say this idea
that you know, the Russian Federation is

766
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:14.559
not necessarily the main driver for what
will get us to the undeniable state of

767
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:18.519
World War three. The Russian state
definitely is an element that can be involved.

768
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.960
They're significant enough, but they're not
the only thing. They're not the

769
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:29.159
only possibility. And even if all
of the conflicts surrounding that circumstance were to

770
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.119
disappear tomorrow. I don't think it
would take us anywhere away from that precipice

771
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:42.400
or from that nearly declared situation.
And apparently I think your analysis says about

772
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.440
the same thing, although you and
I might differ as to exactly how significant

773
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:51.519
the sphere of influence is of the
Russian Federation on that final declaration, so

774
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:57.000
to speak. So again, Larrydashancock
dot com and Larry, I'd like to

775
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.840
thank you for doing this with me
tonight. I really appreciate it and as

776
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.360
always love having you on. And
we'll see you again in two weeks,

777
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right you bet we'll be back.
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In the decade that followed, it
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Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade
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range missiles on the island armed with
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they were on mobile launchers. Their
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operations and are still happening today.
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that no one has ever written about
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and why the United States did not
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other countries today are doing secret operations
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War, Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building
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