WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:31.600 M hmmm. Sounds like news is coming in. That's thought off the wires, 2 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:36.600 breaking news sound here on this April nineteen, twenty sixteen edition of the 3 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:41.000 Giant BombCast, we have ourselves an old fashioned scoop around here. Yeah, 4 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.399 it's yes, tell Type I get that working. Yep. Yeah, part 5 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.840 of the new studio. We got the tell Type machine in here. Came 6 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:51.000 hot over the trans Atlantic cable. Keep it right next to the game tapes 7 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.560 machines. Yeah. Wait, well, don't do that because it'll eat all 8 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.960 the cables, just like all the tapes keep getting eaten. Attention, stop, 9 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.200 stop press. The new PlayStation four is codenamed Neo Stop Yeah. We 10 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:10.280 uh Austin Walker, Yeah, Austin scoops Walker. Sure, yeah, it's 11 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:14.959 inherited. That has Uh yeah, I got a hold of like man, 12 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.560 this this came in hot and heavy. Yeah, we got we got hold 13 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:22.959 some informations internal Sony documentation about the new PlayStation four. Yeah, which is 14 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.040 this is uh, that's just rumor in speculation this time. Yeah, it 15 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.959 was like right, this popped up back at GDC. Uh, some developers 16 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.280 talking where reporter could overhear them. Led to some other stuff and here we 17 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.439 are is that really how the first one happened. Well, I think that 18 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.480 was additional confirmation. It was it was a handful of things coming together. 19 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.519 I guess. I think like, like you know, reporters like Patrick Klapper 20 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.840 was the one who broke this original story, but like you know, the 21 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.560 reporters talk to trusted sources, but then also like standing in line for things 22 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:57.239 at GDC, they just overheard some stuff but that information was was verified. 23 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.760 But but yeah, Austin got us some specs. Yeah, the whole bunch 24 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:05.760 of internal policies exactly how this thing's gonna work. Yeah, A lot of 25 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.319 this seems like it's kind of aimed at like developers in terms of like answering 26 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:14.319 questions about how the upgraded PlayStation four hardware will work with the existing unit and 27 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.800 existing PSN, what they can and can't do when making games, what they 28 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:23.280 are expected to do, some best practices for how to take advantage of the 29 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.400 hardware. Yeah, so I think that is that is the bigger story here 30 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.479 than than like you know, the upgraded specs are what they are, but 31 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:32.719 more hearing about what their policies are going to be about not splitting this user 32 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:39.120 base. How do you not disenfranchise the what thirty five million people they're they're 33 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:43.759 like, they're walking over type rope tightrope here, because if they if they 34 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.599 put out a console and upgraded console that goes too far and then let people 35 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.840 do whatever with it, then you know, you'll have games that will don't 36 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.960 work on the old PlayStation four and you will anger that existing user base. 37 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.919 But at the same time, with some of the decisions they seem to be 38 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.080 making right now around what you can and can't you when making games for the 39 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.599 new hardware, uh, it seems like they're kind of putting some shackles on 40 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.599 what you can do with the new hardware. That then means it might not 41 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:13.199 be that big of a deal. Yeah, or as big of a deal 42 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.280 as it could be. And this is stuff that probably could change years from 43 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:21.280 now as these requirements change, as as the makeup of of which consoles are 44 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.120 out there in the marketplace starts to shift in favor of the upgraded hardware, 45 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:29.000 maybe they loosen some of this stuff. But right now today, I mean, 46 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:31.599 just go to giant bomb dot com if you want to see the actual 47 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:36.400 specs. Yeah, you know, we're not gonna necessarily talk those numbers here 48 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.120 because those those are in the story. And yeah, two point three x 49 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:46.800 flops on the GPU, one point three x CPU and uh one point two 50 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.719 four x on the memory bandwidth. They'll also be freeing up some uh it's 51 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.759 it's it's still eight gigs around, but they're freeing up some more of that 52 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.400 space. Yeah, like they're like, so games running in neo mode can 53 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:00.879 use an extra half a gig for some weird reasons. Well, now, 54 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.800 how substantial is that for, like, you know, not for someone that's 55 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.879 not super technically minded. Yeah, from a computer standard, how much more 56 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:12.240 powerful? This is not a nine eight? Oh the well actually actually so 57 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.759 the learned analysis that I have read is that the GPU is actually pretty massively 58 00:04:15.839 --> 00:04:20.079 upgraded, like more than they expected. But since the memory and CPU are 59 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.360 not that much more upgraded, like, it's kind of going to be bottlenecked 60 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.319 pretty hard. Is it enough to make the difference from like thirty to sixty 61 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.519 was not necessary? Will? It will depend on the game, that's you 62 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.399 know, and so that that's kind of the other like without that bit of 63 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.560 information, it's kind of hard to know because different games are going to be 64 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.600 made in different ways, with different bottlenecks, in different places. So if 65 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.879 these games do get patched, and existing games can get patched, they won't 66 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.639 automatically take advantage of the new hardware just buy its presence. They will have 67 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:53.920 to be patched. You know, That'll depend from from game to game, 68 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.480 So Sony's not necessarily hard and fast on that stuff. The one thing they 69 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.959 are hard on is that, uh, you can't have a worse frame rate 70 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.800 when running in neo mode. They talk a lot about base mode and neomode 71 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.560 and a lot of this stuff. So if you're if you're running in the 72 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:12.720 new neomode, you cannot have a lesser frame rate than your base mode. 73 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:14.800 So I guess that would only come up if they like try to improve the 74 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.560 fidelity to a point where so much its way better, but the frame rate 75 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.319 has taken like that. They are not allowing that that would be there. 76 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:25.000 They are probably smart to put that in place, though you would want to 77 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.560 think the developers would not do that anyway. But the other the other end 78 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.519 of that is the thing people were worried about. It is like the High 79 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.079 Rule Warriors on three DS scenario of like, technically it runs like garbage. 80 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:39.959 Technically it comes out for both, but it it's borderline unplayable on the old 81 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:44.000 hardware. Yeah, which that I don't know that they're necessarily dissuaded, like 82 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.160 that could still happen. It totally c like it seems like somebody's gonna have 83 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.000 to practice some pretty strict quality control to make sure that, yeah, games 84 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.399 are good. If they come back and say, hey, your your base 85 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.879 mode like version is garbage, Yeah, I mean you can't do this. 86 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.879 It is not that great of an upgrade. So the thinking, I don't 87 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.040 know, would hopefully be that if there was a disparity, it wouldn't be 88 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:10.199 that vast. But I suppose yeah, I think it'll it'll it'll depend. 89 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:15.480 So so let's get into it. Uh, this unit will support four K. 90 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.519 Yeah, though I mean I think, as we've said before, that 91 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:23.480 doesn't necessarily mean that the console is powerful enough to push native four K video 92 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.319 games. It sounds like general that's going to be possible. Yeah, so 93 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.240 that's where it gets into K Yeah. Yeah, so like they'll have scalers 94 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.920 that can scale things to four K and signal coming out, Yeah, your 95 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.279 TV will say, yes, this is four K. But you know, 96 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.879 as we've seen with games not actually natively rendering at ten eighty this will kind 97 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:44.800 of continue to be the case, and and so there they're actually that's where 98 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.879 it gets into some of the best practices stuff of trying to recommend different ways 99 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:53.480 for developers to kind of do that or get to a point where, hey, 100 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.800 they can render it ten eighty for base mode and still have this thing 101 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:01.680 for neomode and and a lot of that stuff. So they've got some other 102 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.639 things like, oh well, hey, maybe you've got one display buffer that 103 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.040 runs at ten eighty when an HDTV connected, but when it detects a four 104 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:14.199 K TV, it'll say go to thirty eight twenty one sixty, right, 105 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.639 and very very developer oriented documents. Yes, yeah, And then they've they've 106 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:24.120 got some other additional things like, oh well, maybe instead you are just 107 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:30.399 rendering at the higher resolution and scaling it down to ten eighty uh when a 108 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.920 TV that cannot support anything higher than that is connected or you know. So 109 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:38.879 that they're kind of trying to convey a handful of different strategies for how to 110 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:43.360 kind of address that sort of stuff. And again, I think's one of 111 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:48.040 those things that like different games will uh, will work in different ways whatever 112 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.839 what makes sense for for their game. But when it comes down to stuff 113 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.079 like you know, release date, release timing and all that sort of stuff. 114 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.399 That's a little hazy as well, but hard to interpret from this. 115 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.759 But the thing we can interpret is that they are saying that as of October, 116 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:11.680 games that hit the streets in October will need to support both the original 117 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.959 PlayStation four and the Neo R. Would that imply maybe a holiday ish release? 118 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.560 Maybe it could. And also like games that will hit in September will 119 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.360 need to have day one patches in place. They are also saying that they 120 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:31.680 are okay with these titles launching before the upgraded PlayStation four hits. Yeah, 121 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.559 so like it would make sense to frontload a good library of stuff that takes 122 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.039 advantage of the sure, but also it means that we probably won't see it 123 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:45.120 before October, But it also doesn't necessarily mean that it hits day and date 124 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.720 with the PlayStation VR. Could you conceivably see like a big game like Uncharted 125 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:56.200 four is coming out? What may may could that get patched advantage games that 126 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.759 are late September. Games that are hitting in late September, we'll have to 127 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.360 have a day one patch for neomod okay, prior to that. It is 128 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:09.360 at the developers discretion if they choose to patch in support for this upgraded hardware. 129 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.919 I would be shocked if Sony didn't go back and at least pick like 130 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.919 the Last of the Marquee Charted maybe not Last of Us, but the rematched 131 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.399 one that would look as I mean, it already runs a sixty like it's 132 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.919 that's that's ship sale. But like blood Borne and Uncharted and I don't know, 133 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.960 well, I think games that would like maintain popularity and also show well. 134 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.159 I think Uncharted is your Uncharted Seats is to me the E three game. 135 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:31.720 That's the game of Like, hey, you've all played Uncharted four because 136 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.559 it came out in May. Now look at this, like, I fully 137 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.919 expect that there is a sixty frames per second. Sure, you know Ratchet 138 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.240 looks great, but that runs at thirty. I can imagine that running at 139 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.279 sixty looking incredible. So that could be one of them. Yeah maybe, 140 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.600 but that's that cames out now, and by the time that this all happens, 141 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.960 no one will care about Ratchett. Instead, we're talking about Horizon, 142 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.440 We're talking about Last Guardian, you know, we're talking about Final Fantasy fifteen, 143 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:00.440 you know. But Uncharted I think is the one game that would make 144 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.080 sense as like, you know, you know what this game looks like because 145 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.879 it was popular and you all played it now here it is like like that 146 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.879 to me, sounds like an E three stage segment, though I might, 147 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.879 well, maybe maybe addressing it this way would actually shine a brighter light on 148 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.799 the deficiencies of it. But fall Out four would be the game I would 149 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.039 actually I could totally be, I would actually do. But then at some 150 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.240 point you're kind of throwing Bethesda under the bus, and hey, remember when 151 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.440 this say, remember when this ran like trash? Look at this runs somewhat 152 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:33.679 better. So I was I was, actually I was thinking about the fall 153 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.600 Out for example, this morning, and the nightmare scenario that popped into my 154 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.559 head was what if Bethesda and I'm not trying to single them out here or 155 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.960 whatever, this is just a you know, thought experiment or whatever, but 156 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.200 what if they shipped a Game of the Year version of Fallout four and only 157 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.120 that version was the one that got the work to make it run better on 158 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.759 the Neon. I think that would be a really messed up thing to do. 159 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.919 I agree, I totally agree, But it's in time. You could 160 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:07.200 potentially see a developer maybe doing something like ioware Sony h and I had hold 161 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.240 over approvals on stuff like that, I would actually say no, yeah, 162 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.320 yeah, that would be the right thing to do. Yeah, I would 163 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.480 say you cannot unless you if you if you also patch this into your existing 164 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.039 version of the game, then hey, obviously let's go. Absolutely that would 165 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.879 be the right thing to do. But to but they if they fork fall 166 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.480 Out for on PlayStation consoles, specifically to sell it again with a neo add 167 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.519 on, that I think is I would want to think that Sony would be 168 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.000 smart enough to not let them do that. Again, I'm not I'm not 169 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.960 saying that individually is likely to do something like that. It's just the example 170 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.279 I thought. But yeah, like other games could be certainly yeah, or 171 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.480 if they sold another blood Born or something like that, right, but then 172 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.519 that seems to be that that seems to be unlikely. But yeah, I 173 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.360 don't otherwise looking at this stuff like they are going out of their way not 174 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.360 to split the user base, not to alienate any segment of the customer base. 175 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:00.679 Right, everybody will be able to play every game, just at different 176 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.519 quality levels. Yeah, is there anything that states like, you know, 177 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.279 with the old expansion pack, with sixty four, Like some games would be 178 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.240 like, well, you can only do multiplayer if you had that they that 179 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.639 is they have that's like accounted for that. That's specifically you cannot do that. 180 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.320 So every mode is available on the one example, the one example they've 181 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.799 given, and and this is only an example, So depending on what game 182 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.399 you're making, you might have a different method for this. So online you 183 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.559 can't segregate your user base into a Neo bucket and a base bucket, So 184 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.559 you couldn't do a thing like, oh, the player count is higher if 185 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:37.000 everyone has a Neo. You can't do that for online modes. Any any 186 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.679 case where the two consoles would be mingling together has to be the same experience, 187 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.840 although you could vet the flip side of that is you can see an 188 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.759 argument where like, people with a higher frame rate have an advantage potentially potentially, 189 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.000 yeah, but but the mode needs to be the same. Yeah. 190 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.960 Yeah. The one example they did give though, is if you had say 191 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.919 an offline model like a split screen or something like that, that was you 192 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.960 could you could have it be four player on base, eight player on Neo, 193 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.559 but not but not online only, and the mode has to exist in 194 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.519 both locations. You can't have an exclusive mode, so you wouldn't be able 195 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.039 to do like, hey, it's got a level editor only for the Neo. 196 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.480 Okay, So like if Basse mode is not powerful enough to run local 197 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.919 split screen, you can't enable that for Neo mode. But if you do 198 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:30.399 have like maybe two players split screen that works like a border Lands or something, 199 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.039 you could do you know, four player. Okay, Yeah, so 200 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.480 that seems to be the one. The one exception to that, to having 201 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.639 like a different experience between the two consoles is for something that is offline but 202 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.399 also must exist on the base model. Same goes for the same goes for 203 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:48.679 VR. It's not like you can do a VR only on Neo sort of 204 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.360 thing. It's like, hey, you need to do VR on both. 205 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.600 But obviously the more power of the Neo would give you a better potentially a 206 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.480 better frame rate and some other boots, and the Original still has to have 207 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.480 that like baseline frame rate for VR. Yeah. Yeah, because that's because 208 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.440 that'll just make you sick. I mean, at some point, that's that's 209 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.600 not a TRC, you know, that's not like a limitation of the approvals 210 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.759 process. At some point, that's just common sense. Like you can't make 211 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.360 a shitty VR game because everyone will get sick. It'll be bad. Yeah, 212 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.639 so it's you know, like you can't have DLC that's exclusive save data 213 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.159 transfers back and forth between the two. So if you have a base and 214 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.320 a upgraded in your in your home, you can play on either. Now, 215 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.919 what about it if I've installed a bigger hard drive in my PS four, 216 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.000 Like, because I'm probably gonna buy this new one, can I take 217 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.919 that out and put it in? I mean, I highly doubt it, 218 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.320 because you can't do that with the existing model. You can't. You could 219 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.080 format, you could format it, you would have to. Oh, but 220 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.320 I can't just keep it. You can't just keep it even the same. 221 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.679 I think you can't do that between even you can't plug it into another PS 222 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.320 four and have it work. It won't recognize it properly. But but they 223 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.320 do have that to that, Like, yeah, I think you have to 224 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.000 like format or do a system restore or something. Yeah. They so they 225 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.279 added like a few firm words ago, they added that local like you back 226 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.480 up to a USB hard drive and move stuff over. Yeah, And if 227 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.759 I'm reading this fact correctly, that means you can transfer PT to wouldn't you. 228 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.600 Yeah, yeah, so you can do that transfer process to move games 229 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.360 from an existing PS four two and go and back. I guess I'll have 230 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.639 to do that, So so that process would work. I wonder if you'll 231 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:26.519 see things like certain bugs only happening in the Neo version. That's kind of 232 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.440 my concerned as well, because I mean, like, if you're on a 233 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.399 neo system, right, you're locked into the Neo version. If there are 234 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.679 bugs with that, you can't just like switch to them to the base right. 235 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.440 Well that's yeah, that's just on developers to yeah, to troubleshooting. 236 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:41.120 Yeah, I know. And also you know, like at some point this 237 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.639 is not going to be one to one identical hardware to the baseline PS four, 238 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.240 So older games that are not getting patched or anything like that, could 239 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.000 there potentially be problems there, Like we don't know. I mean, it 240 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.279 is it's the same parts running at different clock speeds generally, so it should 241 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.120 be pretty safe. But it should be, but I guess ultimately we don't 242 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:07.080 know. Let's see here. You know, some of these questions are you 243 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.000 know, like just kind of the stuff that developers would probably need to know 244 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.080 because some of this gets integrated into games. But yeah, like themes and 245 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.480 avatars from the original PS four will come over, your account will will come 246 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.960 over. Patches are unified. It's not like here's your neo content patch versus 247 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:30.519 your your PS four patch discs will Well here's actually can a disc be sold 248 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.919 only on the original PS four but then supported on the neo by means of 249 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.759 a patch? Okay? Yeah, no, that's okay this so yes, 250 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.080 previously previously released titles can get patched, but new titles will have to have 251 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.600 it out of the gate. We talked about that before. But you can't 252 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.960 go the other way with it. You can't sell a disc as a neo 253 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.519 only game and then patch in base PS four support to it. That is 254 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:55.320 not allowed. They seem like, like I was super pessimistic when this news 255 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.200 came to light back at GDC about the way this fragments the market, but 256 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.519 like they seem to be making the best of it. They seem to be 257 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.639 doing everything they can to make sure that people with the old system who aren't 258 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:06.799 going to upgrade don't feel to completely left out in the cold at the risk 259 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:11.279 of you know, like not fully utilizing you know this new hardware. Right. 260 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.359 Yeah, they're going way out of their way to make sure that. 261 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.200 And but again, like we all know for sure, like the policies are 262 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.759 in place, but we don't know until the rubber meets the road. Are 263 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.839 we going to get a bunch of twenty frames per second base mode games at 264 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.839 this point because nobody cares? But like probably not, because like there are 265 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.000 millions of those things out there. They would be creating themselves in the foot 266 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:33.039 They would be insane to ship poorly made games on that. But over time, 267 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.039 but two years in what changes you know? So, uh, you 268 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.519 know there's some stuff in here about controllers, like, yes, those will 269 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.440 work across the board. Can special game peripherals be used on the Neo as 270 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.319 they are? Yes, so fight sticks you would presume would come over controllers 271 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.880 come right over there. They're paired and there's no difference. There, No 272 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:53.839 racing wheels, that's one thing they're taking out all racing that kind of like 273 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.079 what you mentioned though, like like how is the customer base going to evolve 274 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.720 over time? You know? So like this thing at at the earliest is 275 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.359 going to hit three years after the original one came on. And like we 276 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:06.920 were talking yesterday and Vinnie was saying like, oh, maybe I shouldn't get 277 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:08.920 this one because I should wait for next years or whatever. But like it 278 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.119 raises the question, like what's their tempo going to be as these things? 279 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.960 Yes? Like does this become the new normal? Like does what does this 280 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:18.960 thing launch as? Does it launch as the PS four K? Does it 281 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.559 launch as just the PlayStation four? Or do they take this opportunity to just 282 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.400 call it the PlayStation the new PlayStation four and or the new PlayStation and then 283 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:33.000 from there it's this rolling cycle instead of a PlayStation five if I Yeah, 284 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:37.079 Well, there's are so many questions about this stuff, but I think a 285 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:44.200 lot of it speaks to the changing nature of what video games and consoles and 286 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:48.319 platforms are right now, with VR, with phones, with with everything happening 287 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.160 right now at different speeds in different places. You know, everyone is making 288 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:53.680 their own weird moves, right. I mean Microsoft seems to be leaning into 289 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:59.319 the PC with some success. Right, maybe they're, but they're also you 290 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.079 know, they've been talking doing this exact same thing as well. Yeah, 291 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.039 and like whatever work am D is doing for Sony, could you know that 292 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.640 type of thing can also be applied back to neck a new Xbox. Yeah, 293 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.160 it seems you know, but there's other stuff like here rendering like it 294 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.079 seems like they won't allow it as play buffer lower than ten eighty on in 295 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.920 neo mode. So these cases of games under ten eighty getting scaled up seems 296 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.039 like that will only be a base mode thing. If I had to put 297 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.799 money on it, I would bet this is the only update to the PlayStation 298 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.559 four that it gets made, and then they make the PlayStation five, and 299 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.839 three or four years after this is a PlayStation five and it's still backwards compatible 300 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.799 with all the old stuff. Well that's the thing, is like it you 301 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.599 know now that everyone's kind of on this architecture that is very PC like and 302 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.599 stuff like, developers really like it. It seems effective for making games. 303 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.799 It's powerful enough. It's you know, like, uh, they're not making 304 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.319 custom cell processors and investing a zillion dollars in R and D the way they 305 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:55.319 had to before. Like, there are not a lot of good reasons to 306 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:59.240 get off of this totally totally. So at some point, what is a 307 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.640 PlayStation f I've other than this, but another half step forward or with a 308 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.960 full step forward, I think the opportunity that you get with a PlayStation five 309 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.279 is to then shut out the people with the original PlayStation four. That's the 310 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.119 point at which you say, Okay, all of your old games will work 311 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.720 on this new system, but the games made for this new system do not 312 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.480 work on the old hardware. Sure, okay, like this is our this 313 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:19.799 is our cutoff. This is where you need to buy the new thing to 314 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.880 play the new stuff, but all your old stuff will still work. Okay, 315 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.960 I could I could that that That seems sensible. It almost just like 316 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.400 how you how you market a thing. Yeah, it almost seems like the 317 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.799 Intel TikTok thing, right of like of like here's here's the big new thing, 318 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:33.599 and then a few a couple of years later or whatever, here is 319 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.880 the refined version of that new thing, and then as that that's how Apple, 320 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.079 that's how Yeah? Uh? Yes? That that that seems sensible. 321 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:48.119 That seems sensible. Yeah. I don't know. It's it's it's weird, 322 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.079 and it it upends a lot of what we consider to be how the console 323 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.160 business has always worked, you know. I mean the new Nintendo three DS 324 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.400 was kind of an indicator in this direction. Nintendos did the game Boy Color 325 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.279 that they have the DSi right, they've like they've been doing it for a 326 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.839 while. They just never like justify it. They's never they never show why 327 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.599 they actually bought dwar Well, look, i mean Gameboy to game Boy color 328 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.839 is huge, that's true. Okay, Yeah, you're right that case, 329 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.799 like that case that was actually that's actually that was actually a big deal. 330 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.000 D S to DSi, Like, yeah, you're right, Like who cares, 331 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.960 Like it's mostly form and in that case, like the DS Light whatever 332 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.519 that was, that was a better piece of hardware in terms of like dsiwear 333 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.640 was not really a factor. No, not at all. Yeah, I'm 334 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.839 I'm on the verge of talking me out of my league here, but I 335 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:33.119 think from what I've read, like it actually gets more expensive to make older 336 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.279 hardware the longe that you get out from release. Yeah, like like keeping 337 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.079 those that fabrication up for something that people don't need anymore. So yeah, 338 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.079 and and you know, traditionally consoles undergo several internal revisions over the years, 339 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.319 So in some sense, this almost seems like they got to the point where 340 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.559 they were going to make their more efficient, cheaper to build a version of 341 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.720 their console and then just reinvested, like, oh well, this also affords 342 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.359 us the ability to raise the power on it. Let's do that too, 343 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.599 and then we can sell it at at at a higher price instead of the 344 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.400 keeping the person it is. And so there's no indicator on price in here. 345 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.160 There's there's only loose indicators about timing and you know, release windows and 346 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.640 stuff like that. But again, most of this is developer focused. For 347 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.200 like, you know, when did they get in dev kits? The answer 348 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.039 is some of them. Some developers will probably already have dev kits right now, 349 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.720 but they don't look like the actual hardware will look. So we don't 350 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.319 know if this will just look like a PlayStation four or if they will take 351 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.519 the time to do a visual refresh of the unit there. Maybe maybe I'll 352 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.400 put some real buttons in it. Oh, got it? Well, the 353 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.200 I guess the current's true. You have the PS four with the real clicky 354 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.319 button on it? Or is you still capacity? I fucking hate passive buttons. 355 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.160 Yeah, I think mine's capacitive. Maybe it's both. I don't think 356 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.079 does it click in when you heard it on? No? I think I 357 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:48.880 just brush it and it turns on. Okay, you got the old one. 358 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.079 I always use my controller, so I can't really Yeah, mine just 359 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.319 turns on whether I brush it, you've you've got you've got that awful hardware 360 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:56.680 bug with like those things. I have it propped up by PS one cases 361 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.359 of Tony Hawks, pro Skater and Symphony at the Night. So that's the 362 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.279 bottom eject button doesn't rub against So I've taken the rubber thing out. It 363 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.519 still turns out all the time. There's some stuff in here about and this 364 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.200 again, this is more developer focused. But it's like, if a bug 365 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.240 is present in the neo version of a title, can the users still play 366 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.680 the game in base mode? No, So if you have a Neo you 367 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:23.400 will not be able to shut off neo mode and force base. Yeah, 368 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.599 if a bug's found in the neo version, can original PlayStation four only support 369 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:32.839 be released first? No? So fix all your bugs. So it seems 370 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:37.400 like they're trying to hold developers to a standard with this stuff. It just 371 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:38.720 again though, it doesn't sound like the neo games are going to be that 372 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.519 ambitious over the base stuff, right, It's just gonna like better frame rates 373 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:48.200 orders in a world where like most of these games are coming to the PC. 374 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.960 Uh, you know, work at a higher resolution is already happening, 375 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.160 So I don't know enough to speak to like if this creates a real hassle 376 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.799 for developers to have to support two models of PlayStation, or if this is 377 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.920 something that kind of comes almost automatically unless they want to do something more ambitious 378 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.240 with it. So I don't really know, but yeah, we ran We 379 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:15.400 ran a report. A Digital Foundry then ran a longer thing kind of corroborating 380 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:19.039 what we had reported and kind of walking through some of that stuff. Yeah, 381 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.279 they've got some more analysis in there about like what to expect performance wise. 382 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.640 They interestingly, they mentioned that like supply chain might delay the release of 383 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:33.519 this thing because like I guess everybody is moving to fourteen nan nanometer fabrication chips 384 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.480 this year, like like across the board, like cell phones, Like everything 385 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.200 is going to be right in demand for that stuff. So huh, who 386 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.680 knows if that will have an effect on when this thing comes out. Yeah, 387 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.480 yeah, it's and and there's nothing in here about VR in terms of 388 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.160 like some of the stuff we kind of speculated about was the PlayStation VR comes 389 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.200 with that breakout box. It's not necessarily a processor, but it's got you 390 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.799 know, passed through for HDMI and kind of you know, it's it's how 391 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.920 you connect the VR headset to the PlayStation. One would expect that that would 392 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.920 be the sort of thing that they would just build right into the hardware. 393 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.440 That's like the connect with the LAM and like that had that extra little, 394 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.599 yeah, external power if you had the old three sixty, but new three 395 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:18.759 sixties just had the like power appropriate for for connect on it immediately. Yeah, 396 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.000 So I could envision something like that happening, but I don't. We 397 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.839 don't know for sure how that'll go. The thing I'm actually the most curious 398 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.720 about that's not mentioned in these documents is what kind of Blu ray drive is 399 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.680 going to be in it, because because like UHD like four K Blu ray 400 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.240 players just hit the market like a couple of months ago. So this like, 401 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.319 if this thing had that in it, that's like an amazing opportunity to 402 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.640 save four hundred bucks and just get the new PS four that you're out putting 403 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.960 it four kve not doing movies, you're not doing games, and would you 404 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.680 Yeah, And and Sony Pictures, Okay, Sony Pictures already has a bunch 405 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.519 of UHD Blu rays on the market. You know, like like it seems 406 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.160 like a good opportunity for them to get that out there, and it seems 407 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.240 like that's something that they were you know, you have to imagine and that 408 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.119 they would put that Blu ray drive in this thing, you would think, 409 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.440 because but it doesn't mention that anyway, and it may not mention it because 410 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:12.200 perhaps they're not allowing developers to ship games on like hundred gigabyte discs though that 411 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.359 might start to answer the question about like how big are these games going to 412 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:22.519 be if they have to then include assets for base and Neo download this eighty 413 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.680 gigabyte patch, right, and if they're bundling them all together and not and 414 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.640 there are other things in here that indicate that you're not going to be able 415 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:33.079 to just have users download only the Neo version of the assets or only the 416 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.680 base version of the assets. It's all one package, so the same file 417 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.319 size no matter what, or it seems like it. But it may be 418 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.160 the case where like they are just shipping assets at one level and scaling them 419 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.359 differently depending on the resolution. You know that that might not. I don't 420 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.920 know enough to tell you if that is. You couldn't ship a game on 421 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:56.039 UHD because that would go against their backwards compatibility stuff. You're right, You're 422 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.680 right, Yeah, yes, that's true. Yeah, I was thinking more 423 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.599 just as a movie player, and maybe I'm a weird outlier who still cares 424 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:07.599 about discs, but yeah, that's yeah, you could. I guess Netflix 425 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.000 supports four ks. They're getting together, getting there, but like the bit 426 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:12.960 rates on four K streams are so shitty compared to what you can get on 427 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.160 a disc, Like if you really wanted to look amazing this moment, I'm 428 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.599 just trying to find a reason why it outputs it four K. Yeah, 429 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.960 because because four KTVs are getting cheaper, Because because more and more people are 430 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.880 going to find themselves owning a four K TV, whether they wanted one or 431 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.680 not. Because it's it's kind of hitting that that level that three dtvs did 432 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.440 where no one really wanted a three D TV, but the good ten AD 433 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:40.240 TVs also supported three D and the price wasn't really different. It seems like 434 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.559 four K is getting there. It seems to be moving to the so at 435 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.480 some point you you'll you'll have a four KTV. Okay, buy a four 436 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.920 KTV. No as one who is just researching. Yeah, like a lot 437 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.960 of TVs like on the cheap, like four K really wasn't that much more 438 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.720 expensive then. But they support ten eighty. Yeah, they totally do, 439 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.759 but it's sometimes it'll down scale. I don't know. I don't think they're 440 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.839 the best for gaming, to be honest, but this might change that. 441 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.640 And yeah, and it seems like that maybe some of the latency stuff with 442 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.599 four K has been worked out. There are screens that that are not a 443 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.440 problem on that front. The Neo will be able to work better with remote 444 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.599 play. You'll get a better resolution out of the neo. Yeah, they 445 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.480 mentioned a bunch of little improvements, like you'll be able to record at ten 446 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:29.519 eighty sixty for your game DVR type stuff. PlayStation view No no indication for 447 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.079 KTV on PlayStation view. No indication of about PlayStation view. I mean, 448 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.000 if they're pushing it as like we've seen, you know, if they're pushing 449 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.759 it as a here's you're all in one four K media device, then they 450 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.640 fucking better. I guess. Well, if you has made up of, 451 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.599 like you know, cable channels, obviously the channel the channels have to support 452 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.039 it to you obviously made up of like duct tape and popsicle sticks. Oh 453 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.400 yeah, like view, Who's who's into this. Who's down from this? 454 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:55.799 I'll buy it? Yeah, well, I mean I will. Obviously, 455 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.359 we all will because we kind of have to. I'm in zero rush. 456 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.000 I mean I already have two play states and fours, and that's dumb. 457 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.759 I bought one. I bought one of the white ones when destiny hit because 458 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.039 I knew I was going to build a home office and I was like, 459 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.359 well, at that point, I need to have a PlayStation in the bedroom 460 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.119 and then one over there. And then it turns out like I don't actually 461 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.319 play games in the bedroom that much anymore, so I don't. It turns 462 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.960 out I didn't necessarily need two PS fours, but at the same time, 463 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.720 having now purchased too, yeah that one is white, having purchased multiple PS 464 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:29.240 fours already, this well whatever, I mean, Yes, on some level, 465 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.279 you're right that we will need to evaluate these things and use them and 466 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.279 and all that sort of stuff. It actually creates, now that I think 467 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.480 about it, like it creates a weird review situation for us. Wheah, 468 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.799 we suddenly need to like try the games on both versions see how they work. 469 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.880 Yeah, you're right, And if some of the stuff is like a 470 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.319 day one patch that'll enable the mode in September or what that, Well, 471 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.000 we won't We won't know until they announce a date, and I expect that 472 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.400 I'll come at out at E three, whether they originally intended that to be 473 00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.599 the announcement date or not. They've kind of between GDC and now this stuff 474 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:06.279 getting out there like they kind of have to. And I'm surprised on some 475 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.880 level that they haven't just kind of started talking about this stuff, because it's 476 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.480 out there without them kind of explaining their case, and you know, we're 477 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.200 reading this stuff and interpreting it in in the way that we see it. 478 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:27.480 I would be curious to hear them put together their pitch of like why this 479 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.279 is a good thing and why this doesn't alienate the millions of people that own 480 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.920 a PlayStation before already, while also walking that tight rope and saying, but 481 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.200 it's really awesome and here's why you need one. Uh, like that they're 482 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:48.400 they're entering some they are entering some uncharted territory. Yeah, consumers are in 483 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.920 a holding pattern right now because it's like, yeah, like the more than 484 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.279 when we get more info, why should we buy? The more you see 485 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.119 people in forums going like why I'm not buying a fucking PS four. People 486 00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.799 just going like, well, if I sell it right now and get to 487 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.119 twenty for it be better to do that than a trade in program. But 488 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.079 no way is that going to happen. Yeah. The more the more I 489 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.799 think about, the more I think you're right, game Stop have no oh 490 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.039 you game Stop put some some things in place when the new three DS came 491 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.359 out and the okay, a third party, because the third party could totally 492 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.200 do that, but I bet Sony will. But yeah, like you know, 493 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:25.160 he is Sony incentivized to provide an upgrade path for people, like you 494 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.359 know, kind of get an Ambassador's Program certificate, Yeah, installed on my 495 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.359 PS four. That's what I look at, Like what Will Smith was mentioning 496 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.359 that on Twitter yesterday you could see them giving out a couple free games or 497 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.920 or or you know, yeah like a year or something, yeah or something. 498 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:44.599 Everyone gets neck congratulations. Finally you've been asking for it. Yeah, 499 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.680 I don't know I did. And and this just this really got me thinking 500 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.400 about kind of where we're at this and there and there's a Wired story this 501 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:59.000 morning about Magic Leap oh wow, the A the calling it MR Mixed Reality 502 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.720 and like hearing like like reading more about that and kind of as the technology 503 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.039 gets to a point where maybe we don't need screens anymore, because these companies 504 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.920 are about a year away from replacing monitors with their own headsets, because the 505 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.519 resolutions will be at a point where that is something they can actually do that 506 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.720 I would love to see it. I just want to sit at a desk 507 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.279 wearing a thing on your face all day. Is the leap like the hollow 508 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.279 lens where all the ship is in the headsets, so you don't so I 509 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.200 don't know about that. That's they've they've not shown form factor or anything about 510 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.759 that. That's they're just showing their photonic lenses, which sound fucking crazy. 511 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:40.839 That thing sounds like the real deal. I don't know if talking to people 512 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.480 that have have used it over the past couple of years here, that thing 513 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.880 sounds like the thing you actually want out of all this headset people. People 514 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.640 talk in a world of hype about the magical Leap. Yeah, well they've 515 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.880 raised enough money. But anyway, like with that happening, you know in 516 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.039 the background, and and VR being here and this kind of starting to up 517 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.799 end what we think of as the traditional console business, and Microsoft is doing 518 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.799 what it's doing with the PC again, but but seemingly more serious, and 519 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.599 also being in a position where they are not dominant to where that seems like 520 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:17.680 a more vital move for their continued kind of growth. Everything is fucking crazy 521 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.160 right now, and it makes sense. You know, It's like the next 522 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.039 five years are going to be nuts, but like the next one year is 523 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.279 going to be nuts with with some of this stuff, with with where we're 524 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:32.279 at with consoles, And this is all happening against the backdrop of like, 525 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.440 isn't in Video announcing in May? Yes, yes, you know are saying, 526 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.960 yeah that they that the new video GPUs and then AD apparently got some 527 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.039 pretty hot stuff coming later this year. Yeah, So what good is a 528 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.240 half step on a PS four in a market where the PC like still gets 529 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.039 the vast majority of these games? And also, you know, obviously there's 530 00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.279 there's convenience, and there's there's tradition associated with consoles for a lot of people. 531 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.559 But I don't think that that's gonna last. I don't know, It's 532 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.039 it's hard to know. We're so all over the place right now with all 533 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:13.360 of this shit. It's fucking really exciting and really crazy, and I will 534 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.159 say, like just reading forums in our comments and the story and stuff like. 535 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.360 Even even as diplomatic as all these moves seem to be in terms of 536 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.559 like, you know, we're not going to shut out existing customers and stuff 537 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.320 like, the tone of the response to this is still pretty negative thing. 538 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.480 And that's that's why a lot of people going like, I will fuck you. 539 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.239 I'm just gonna get a better PC. Yeah, which, so you 540 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.440 know, that's the thing is if you, if you, if you really 541 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.440 really really care about power and graphical fidelity and stuff like that, if that's 542 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.119 if that's the thing that drives you into video games, then yeah, like 543 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.000 an upgraded PlayStation four only takes you so far. At some point you're going 544 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.400 like, well, it's not that much more expensive in the grand scheme of 545 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.039 yeah, you know, there's still a convenience factor there though. Yes, 546 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.719 definitely, people just want to sit down on a couch and put a disk 547 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:01.280 in and just go yeah, and there's absolute value in that. And but 548 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.800 at that point, like, are those the people that are going to buy 549 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.440 an upgraded PlayStation four or they are? Is the convenience such that well I 550 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.599 already bought one, so I'm good. Yeah, you know, from Sony's 551 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.239 perspective, they probably don't care because those people will continue to buy games, 552 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.159 right, and sometime games are most of the money. I guess, I 553 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.440 guess. I just don't know, like four K game is going to be 554 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.800 like a really big bullet point, especially during like the holiday season, if 555 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.639 they do release for that. You know, I can I can already hear 556 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.760 there's not there's not a ton of four K content out there. It's now 557 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.199 starting to those burets are coming out now. But I don't think they can 558 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.840 get out there and say, hey, here's your new four K gaming machine. 559 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:38.480 Right, this thing is not going to run. But they can say 560 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.320 that well yeah, just like it just won't be just actually true, just 561 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.440 like they they screamed ten ADP from the rooftops about the PS three. Yeah, 562 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.960 nothing was TENDP, Superstar Dust, Yeah, you know a couple of 563 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.639 indie games here, Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know, I don't 564 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.320 know, like it's it's And that's why I say, like they should probably 565 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:07.119 start talking about this stuff, because without without their messaging, without them explaining 566 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.000 their case to the people directly, you see people start to spin out of 567 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.280 control on this stuff and go like wait, a minute. This is fucked, 568 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.440 Like why I just bought a PS four? This? How? How? 569 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.519 How does this impact me? Like there's a lot of confusion out there 570 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.440 and in the marketplace because you know, again like you know, we don't 571 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.199 have the whole story. We don't know when it's out, we don't know 572 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.920 how much it'll cost, we don't know what they're calling it. You know 573 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.519 that like that, like what this actually means in what the complete picture of 574 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.800 this is? Uh is important and I guess it's important to remember that. 575 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.800 Yeah, we we have some developer focused documents that indicates that this thing is 576 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.280 happening and the specs of the thing, but in terms of how they'll actually 577 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.280 handle it, like that's important and them not out there doing it seems kind 578 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.440 of nuts. E three is going to be real, Yeah, I mean 579 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:57.079 yes, absolutely, between this Nintendo, Like what is Microsoft's next move? 580 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.199 See if there's gonna be some actual VR games coming out? Yeah? Yeah, 581 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.400 But also like will will the companies that are bringing that have already shipped 582 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.119 headsets, will they care about E three? That's true? Yeah, you 583 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.440 know, is that their place for their accens or do they do their own 584 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.840 little events? Yeah? You know, they like you're out there out there 585 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.599 talking, like I think they said for PlayStation VR THO, they're planning a 586 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.800 bunch of retail kiosks and stuff like that to help get that out there, 587 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.239 you know, partnering with the game stop with there are vibes out there. 588 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.880 Now, that's some game stops, Like, that's a case they have to 589 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.320 take to the people. Like everyone at E three will have tried one of 590 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.079 those headsets by now, Like, those are not the people you need to 591 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.400 convert. Those are not the people you need to like get the goggles on 592 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.880 and say no, look at this shit. They need to get it out 593 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.519 there in a much wider capacity targets and best buys and yeah, totally so 594 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.320 like E three, Like for the headset manufacturers, it just doesn't. I 595 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.760 don't think it matters. For the soft people make software for those things, 596 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.400 it does matter because you've got pressed there, You've got people there. But 597 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.960 remember when finding out what the hell the NX is was like the only exciting 598 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.679 thing about E three this year. Uh that that is probably still the most 599 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.800 exciting things from from a yeah, I guess from a future of video games. 600 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.559 Yes, but I mean this is interesting in a business, yes, 601 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.000 Like like watching Microsoft kind of figure things out. Uh, and and what 602 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.599 it does with the PC is it tries to you know, figure out Windows 603 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.199 ten. Like. That's all very interesting and very exciting, but in a 604 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:27.639 totally different way from Nintendo plopping something down and saying, here, play some 605 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.320 new games, right Like, that's exciting, Sure, PlayStations like a few 606 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.519 months before release, that's exciting. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to 607 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.320 see how like all these other companies kind of positioned themselves around this right here. 608 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:44.039 So yeah, Sony will come out and do you think they'll confirm before 609 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.559 E three? They should, right, I don't think they will the existence 610 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.559 of this thing. Yeah, they've they've come this far. Yeah, pretty 611 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.199 close. They may do that, but they won't like show it. It 612 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.800 looks like sure, yeah yeah, maybe they announce that it's happening different, 613 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.840 We'll have more to say and then aim it, show it whatever, show 614 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.079 like you said, show like I'm charted running on it or something. Yeah. 615 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.639 But that just you know, speeds up Microsoft and yeah, yeah it's 616 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.840 gonna be fun. Business got competitive down in a totally weird ways. Were 617 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.840 overflowing with Sony brand four KT and Sony has a bunch of four K movies 618 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.920 they would like you to buy. Yeah, you could easily see other parts 619 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.159 of Sony, like again, the PlayStation brand is hot all over again. 620 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.559 You have a lot of other parts of Sony that would love to glom onto 621 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.880 that in a different way. Absolutely, some different ways like that could be 622 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.760 a factor as well. I feel like this is just as much about like, 623 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.239 you know, four K movies and and selling four KTVs than it is 624 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.920 about providing that four K gaming experience. Maybe my Sony fridge with the cell 625 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.000 processor inside. Finally, yeah, yeah, those games that have been aging 626 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.320 in that digital locker for the past decade, get them out, because they're 627 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.840 about to fucking blow your mind. And you know, because the PlayStation brands 628 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.159 so huge already, and you know, obviously there's a thirty billion plus know 629 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.880 that are already in homes, you don't want to segregate them. So I 630 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.639 think they're they're taking really good steps to make sure that you know, those 631 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.920 people are fine, you know, gonna be okay. It seems it seems 632 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.639 like the most customer friendly way you could do this and still do this, 633 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.559 yeah at all. But that's still going to be too much for some people 634 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.119 and doesn't cut the reasons why you would want to get one. Yeah, 635 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.599 because why wouldn't you want to just go all the way? Yeah? Like 636 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.599 there, you know, there's there's no shortage of people in comments like the 637 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.760 story going like I just bought my PS four last month, like thanks, 638 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.320 But like to the people that buy one of the new ones, are they 639 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.440 then going to be mad because they'll feel like their games are being held back 640 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.639 by having to support this now dated hardware. You can see some of that 641 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.480 too, like this this gets ugly on all. This is just like haves 642 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.679 versus have not. The situation could potentially be kind of great. You thought, 643 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.159 like forum weirdos getting all Sony versus Microsoft was weird. What happens when 644 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:57.199 it's so? I am not ready for like platform fanboys to be fighting each 645 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.559 other. They're going to destroy themselves. It will be beautiful. All wars 646 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:08.480 or civil wars filthy the law between the skews. I mean they have to 647 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.119 keep selling the original right like as part of the product line up. It's 648 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:13.760 not there. They don't have to. I mean, well, they like 649 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.840 out of the gate. Out of the gate, you would expect that they 650 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.960 would clear out, that they would drop the price on it. Maybe they 651 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.000 get the base model out there for two fifty or something, because I mean, 652 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.320 you know, like that's the traditional console cycle is always like start moving 653 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.599 into the one ninety nine territory and then the ninety nine dollars territory, which 654 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.119 actually like the three sixty hasn't still hasn't done yet. Yeah, but like 655 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.960 remember how it was like it was big, like press conference worthy news when 656 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.920 the PS two dropped to ninety nine dollars, right, because all of a 657 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.480 sudden you're tapping like a whole new market with that stuff. Did the PS 658 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.960 one launch at ninety nine the awesome like little mint this one? I think 659 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.880 it did. I think it might have the QT little the tweet the one 660 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.039 day they had the little screen that would be well that was an ad on, 661 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.760 it was, yeah, it was, but yeah it couldn't do that. 662 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.880 But yeah, I think you're right. I think that was a ninety 663 00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.679 I remember being kind of tempted, being like, man, I know PS 664 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.159 one aren't really the thing right now, but that thing looks fucking awesome. 665 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:05.159 I got one, I got the screen. It's awesome. Yeah, yeah, 666 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.519 it's a really cool little console. Not mind definitely display it and it 667 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.440 just to me, it makes sense to keep a cheaper version of the machine 668 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.159 on the market for people who are more price conscious. Yeah, and for 669 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.320 at least for I mean you know, yeah, yes, like if assuming 670 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.480 this thing comes out of three nine at nine or whatever, like, that's 671 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.280 that's a pretty limited Yeah, some people who are gonna but you'll probably have 672 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.239 a bunch of used consoles in the market at that points from people that went 673 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.480 to upgrade. You'll have you know, they probably have a warehouse with quite 674 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.800 a few baseline PS fours in it right now that they could move out, 675 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.440 you know, I mean, but they could be making like a classic PS 676 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.760 four slim at the same time, you know, sure, cheaper of the 677 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:44.960 old PS four. Yeah, that could be out at that price point. 678 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.800 What do you got? What do you guys do with your old PS fours? 679 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.119 I'll sell it, you can sell it, yeah, yeah, what's 680 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.840 the best way to sell it? Craigslist? Craigslist, something like eBay. 681 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.280 You gotta deal with shipping and all that shit. You know, expensive electronics 682 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.280 you don't really want to ship, so just risk being murdered for a second. 683 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:00.360 Yeah, it was to say, where where do you go meet? 684 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.159 How much? What have you sold on Craigslist, couches, lamps, tables, 685 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.079 action figures. Have you been murdered yet? Not one? Have you 686 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.679 thought that you were about to be murdered? I sold I think a bunch 687 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.199 of Curb your Enthusiasm DVDs. Two guy in a pickup truck, and I 688 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.440 think he had a bunch of pentagram tattoos, like on his neck or something, 689 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.519 And I thought he seemed capable of murder, But he didn't murder me, 690 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:28.320 like I, you know, like Satan, I jokingly say like, 691 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.559 oh, I'm gonna get murder whatever. But like the other thing is, 692 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.400 you see all these stories of people saying like, oh, they showed up 693 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.280 with only like eighty percent of what they said they would pay. That happened 694 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.199 sometimes and they're like, oh, we'll take it or leave it, and 695 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.840 it's just a giant waste your time. I've had that happen. Yeah, 696 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.480 alright, it's probably gonna be a decent number of secondhand ps fours out there 697 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.360 come into the year next year. Yeah, see how that stuff goes down 698 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:55.679 anyway, exciting times. Yeah, in the video game hardware business, it's 699 00:43:55.719 --> 00:44:00.159 gonna be weird. It's already weird. All right, let's move on. 700 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.880 To the slightly less explosive goings on in the world. I don't know, 701 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.800 some of this stuff seems explosive, just in a less in a way that 702 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.840 maybe doesn't impact people or business or something, or maybe that's not true either. 703 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.760 There is a certain tabloid aspect to the next story here. Yeah. 704 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.440 Remember in January when president of rock Star North Leslie Benzi's departed. I do 705 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:29.039 rock Star like he went on a lengthy sabbatical at some point. Yeah, 706 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.440 it just seemed like there was like a hey, being not here is cool. 707 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.360 Yeah, you're jealous of his eighteen months off exactly. Yeah, I 708 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.440 want a sabbatical, like a paid sabbatical months there with their drama surrounding that 709 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.599 at the time, he's going on vacation at the time, the departure was 710 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.840 depicted as amicable. Okay, say this company used to have a forced paid 711 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.599 sabbatical. If you were at a at the company for five years, you 712 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.159 got like a forced four week sabbatical, just like, hey, you've deserved 713 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.360 this going vacation thing. Yeah yeah, okay. And then we got bob 714 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.320 by s It was a zd Net thing. Oh we got bought by this 715 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.199 company. Hasn't this company is own. Yes, this was this was two 716 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.079 corporate acquisitions ago. Yeah, okay, all right, because I was a 717 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.639 scene Joe Fielder got to go on his sabbatical and by the time I got 718 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.719 eligible for sabatic sabbatical, we got bought and I didn't want to do it. 719 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.519 Yeah. I also did over five years a se net nothing doing. 720 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.760 All right. Well, uh, this, this whole situation has gotten way 721 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.679 more complicated now that Leslie Benzi's has filed a one hundred and fifty million dollars 722 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.440 lawsuit against Take two. Yeah. That's unpaid royalties, chunk of money. 723 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.239 That's less than amicable. Yeah, and it's like I want to continue this 724 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.920 sabbatical and then it needs some more money to do so. Vacations are expensive 725 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.679 for us. I must be a hell of a sbbatical. Uh yeah. 726 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.320 He you know, he's contending that he was just kind of dismissed unfairly. 727 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.320 We're wrongfully terminated or whatever you want. He says that he came back from 728 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.719 the sabbatical and tried to go back to work and he was locked out of 729 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.320 the building and asked to leave. Yeah. That's uh. They're like, 730 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.320 it's been great with this sabbatical is going on. That's always the fear. 731 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.639 That's why you never take a vacation, right, because you always everyone else 732 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.880 will find out that yeah they can, they could do without you, figure 733 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.639 out how to make it work without you. There, look at my slide 734 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.719 deck. Al right, here's why you never take a vacation. And Dan 735 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.440 learned how to use the mixing board over the weekend that Drew's sweating it. 736 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:22.519 Yeah, successfully recorded the podcast Don't Take My Job? Ok. Yeah, 737 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.960 I mean this thing is a tangled web of like you know, contracts signed 738 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.840 in two thousand and nine that Dinzi's then wanted to retroactively amend and like people 739 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.800 saying, oh, he was in breach of contract, right, yeah, 740 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:37.039 they have countersued him. Sure. Uh. And now all kinds of dirty 741 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.119 laundry, it seems, are coming out of this thing. Yeah, this 742 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.679 is this has become a real well, it's it's a mess with like a 743 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.639 lot of different things that you know, came out of this. The lawsuit 744 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.079 of like the inner workings of rock star, yeah, which is the stuff 745 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.480 of legends in a sense. You know, it's like everyone has their their 746 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.400 own little rock star story, the tattoos sometimes yeah, yeah, I mean, 747 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.000 yes, some of the people work there, absolutely sure, But yes, 748 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:06.760 some everyone that has come into contact with rock Star over the years, 749 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:08.920 I feel has at least one thing and they could say like I remember that 750 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.880 time this fucking crazy thing happened, or or hey I heard I heard from 751 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.039 someone who worked there about this and keycard access this and holy water that, 752 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.599 and you know, just like all this stuff over the years. That's just 753 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.719 like fucking what. None of that stuff is necessarily in this filing, but 754 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.480 there's plenty in here too. I wish it was the catchphrase of the season. 755 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.159 Oh yeah, it's just it's take it from the top. It's I 756 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:40.079 need depends right there. That's I'm gonna start you get you guys are I'm 757 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.039 every email ascend is now going to have that in there. Yeah. So 758 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:50.800 it's a lot of the stuff. Brendan Sinclair from from Games Industry Dot Bizz 759 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.719 has been picking this this stuff apart. I meant biz. Yeah, he's 760 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.280 the course voice of Candida of course will know exactly. So he's been picking 761 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.599 this stuff apart and actually think some screen captures of some of the crazier stuff 762 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:06.159 to Twitter, which has been for me, that's been the most fun way 763 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.119 to follow this stuff. But there's a lot of stuff where like I guess, 764 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.960 uh, the Housers, Sam and Dan, the Howser brothers, they're 765 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.199 kind of the heads of rock Star kind of seen as like the creative force 766 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.519 behind Yeah, that they had kind of taken the lead on Red Dead Redemption, 767 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.719 and that Leslie Benzi's is the head of rock Star North was not on 768 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.440 this project because it was done out of Rocks or San Diego Angel Studios before 769 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.719 the former Angel Studios, and that at some point in an October O nine 770 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:40.159 email from Sam Houser to Leslie Benzi's kind of urgently reaching out as a as 771 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:45.679 Sinclair puts it, that that the game kind of was in a bad spot 772 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.440 and they needed they needed the Bens to come in and clean it up. 773 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.400 Please help me slash us get r DR into shape. I'm a jabbering wreck 774 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.920 right now. I need the Benz. I thought it was Geronimo's job to 775 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:00.840 be like the cleaner that comes in and fixes everything up. Yeah closer, 776 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.239 I don't Yeah, And I don't really know. Maybe they need maybe they 777 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.679 need to close their own both coasts, Okay, Yeah, I don't know, 778 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.320 and needs to bring Yeah, because I remember hearing that that he had 779 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.199 kind of come in to that studio in a couple of spots as well. 780 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.239 Already was really good at that, like coming in late and fixing things up. 781 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.599 And yeah, I don't know, I mean even at the time you 782 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.559 were hearing about Trouble on Red Dead. Oh yeah, back sure, back 783 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.599 when it came out. It's known to be like a trouble project. Isn't 784 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.559 that the one where like all the the wife females came out afterwards saying like, 785 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.679 oh, it's ninety hour work days and all this stuff. I think 786 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.920 it was that rock star San Diego things. So yeah, now that this 787 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.920 is ridiculous, like we don't get to see our husband's anymore. Yeah, 788 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.559 it was like an a spouse. Yeah yeah, those were both kind of 789 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.440 back to back, right, Yeah that seems right, yeah yeah yeah yeah. 790 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.559 And then La Noir was its own separate set of weirdness, right, 791 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:52.119 that was a that was a different brand, that's true. Yes, And 792 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.559 also Max Pain three you had a bunch of weirdness too, oh sure, 793 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.119 sure. Yeah. Turned out there's a lot of weirdness. Yeah, but 794 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.880 it turns out weirdness just tends to follow these projects. Around. I may 795 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.719 just be an impartial observer here, but I feel like if he rated a 796 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.800 name like the Bens, he's probably pretty indispensable to their operation. Yeah. 797 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.000 I mean, if they're calling if they're calling him in in a Seal da 798 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:19.679 Vita like closer capacity to come in and close this game out and get it 799 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.199 run and right, it seems like that he probably had a pretty good track 800 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.079 record of doing that on some other projects. I guess, right, Uh, 801 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.840 yeah, that's that. The so this is all part of the lawsuit 802 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.840 filing says Once mister Benzi's intervened, the game was finished within a few months, 803 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.360 complete and ready for presentation to external publishers such as Sony and Microsoft. 804 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.360 Yeah, so this seems like that they the three of them, were looking 805 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.760 to kind of spin out of Take two and be able to use Take two's 806 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.360 IP and like all these other business arrangements that were basically like, you know, 807 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.920 like, if the three of them are kind of the principles of this 808 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.119 thing and are deemed key employees, at some point, they're going to try 809 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.760 and get as much as they can from Take two and stuff like that. 810 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.320 So it seemed like they were maybe trying to set themselves up to, uh 811 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:06.199 you know, take advantage of that situation or be rightfully paid for their work. 812 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.239 I mean, you know, whatever the track record however they got there, 813 00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:14.800 which might be a real wreck. Uh you know, there's quite a 814 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.840 track record for rock Star in terms of most of the games they've shipped and 815 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.719 their popularity and all that other stuff. So you can pin at least some 816 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.239 of that on the Housers and leslie Benz. Yeah, some some interesting figure 817 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:25.599 it's not all of it coming, you know, I don't know, it's 818 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.519 it's a big teams, right, big team. Yes, Yes, some 819 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.079 interesting figures coming out of some of the stuff. Like they were citing that 820 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:36.360 read they're not read. A GTA online has has generated like five hundred million 821 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.719 dollars in revenue Jez for example. It was one of the one of his 822 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.760 claims, is that still really active? You know? I tend to see 823 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.760 a lot of like videos of that, like these ten planes together and somebody 824 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.119 jumped across all of them. Like people seem to like that a lot. 825 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.920 Yeah, But I wonder if it's just like a small essentiliz that's super into 826 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.360 it. That was one of his claims that he don't know that he totally 827 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.960 spearheaded development of the online mode, and that the Housers were not interested in 828 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.880 the multiplayer stuff, and so basically he is responsible for that revenue and stuff 829 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.639 like that. It's it's a mess. Yeah. So this is something that 830 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.039 was supposed to go to mediation and all this other stuff, and it seems 831 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.119 like the lawsuit came out of like a failed attempt a mediation or something to 832 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.639 that effect, and that's where the countersuit comes out of. I think we're 833 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:21.639 by not accepting the mediation and then proceeding to sue that then it becomes a 834 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:27.360 breach. I don't know that that stuff is perhaps beyond me. You need 835 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:31.480 some contract lawyers. Yeah, part that stuff, yeah for sure, But 836 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:37.559 I wonder, I wonder how this affects their operation going forward. Yeah, 837 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.119 I got the bens bens. I mean, if if he is as important 838 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.119 as this lawsuit alleges, then then that would be devastating. But you know, 839 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.440 I suspect the truth is always somewhere in the middle of this stuff, 840 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.239 right, They're gonna He's gonna follow the file, the lawsuit and trying to 841 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.000 make it look as good as as he can for his position. The Housers 842 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.840 will do the same but the other way and try to say that who is 843 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.159 Leslie Benzi's who's that? Yeah, I don't know. We showed him the 844 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.000 door because he just disappeared. I don't know. GTA Online, yeah, 845 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:06.559 I guess it made a lot of money. I don't know if you like 846 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.000 bad online games, like something that the Housers and I could probably agree upon 847 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:15.280 at some point that Grand Theft Auto Online is actually a bad product. So 848 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.239 so no information about like upcoming projects has come out of this stuff, right, 849 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.400 Uh? No, I guess not, because like the Red Dead like 850 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.679 prequel stuff was a separate thing. Yeah, there's been some supposed leaks about 851 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.880 that stuff floating around recently, but you know, yeah, as with all 852 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.679 leaks, some grain assault required. Is there anything more than just that map 853 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.320 image? That's all I've seen? Yeah, right, Like there's the map 854 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.360 image, and then people saying like, well, you know this fit lines 855 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:43.519 up with a potential prequel also because like you know, some of the train 856 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.119 tracks and stuff that would have been in the previous game there yet implying that 857 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.079 maybe it takes place beforehand. Well, especially given what that game was about, 858 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.880 right, yes, it would kind of have to be Uh well, 859 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.280 I mean the first Red Dead had a totally different protagonists and totally separate story. 860 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:00.920 I mean, you know, there's no reasons why they couldn't just go 861 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:02.679 like here's another Cowboy story, like it was grand theft Auto, Like the 862 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.559 ties don't have to be hard and fast. I think it's probably better that 863 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.320 they're not, right. I mean, the prequel tales of John Marston, 864 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.880 Like, that's cool, but it's not key to making a Red Dead definitely 865 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:19.719 not. Uh, I need the Bends. Who's our bends? Ours? 866 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.079 Drew? Drew's our bends? Yeah, I need the Drew. You got 867 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.800 me. If you ever hear me screaming I need the d that's only because 868 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.280 I need Drew. And I'm like, okay, all right, that's the 869 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:36.679 pocket phrase. I thought I thought it was something else entirely. How do 870 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.159 I sit down the stream? I need the date. I thought you were 871 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:45.440 just a big fan of Sonny Delight. Yeah, yeah, I know, 872 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.079 I know. Yeah, you know. We'll see how the stuff shapes up. 873 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.360 Yeah, I'll be curious to see, like if this thing goes all 874 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.000 the way, if there ends up being further disclosures about some of the stuff 875 00:54:54.440 --> 00:55:01.320 happening within because there's some other like more nefarious sounding stuff about like compromising photos. 876 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:06.599 Yeah, yeah, you know there's some stuff, some allegations thrown in 877 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:12.480 the Houser's direction here that sound real, yeah, real nasty. So I 878 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.519 don't know, I don't know if that will end up having a bearing on 879 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:16.719 any of the stuff, or if it was just one of those things where 880 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.360 it's like, hey, we've got to make this lawsuit look good, and 881 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.760 to do that, we have to make these other guys look as bad as 882 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.400 we can. So let it all out. Yeah. Also, you know, 883 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.360 like kind of makes you wonder what his fate will be if he chooses 884 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.719 to stay in games, right, you know, like the guy who ran 885 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.440 Rockstar North for like twenty years or whatever. I mean, I would imagine 886 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.840 that's like a pretty good thing I have on your resume. Sure, yeah, 887 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.320 I mean you would think that that guy writes his own ticket. But 888 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:49.599 I have I have no actual knowledge of like how Leslie Benzi's is viewed, 889 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.480 you know, by the industry at large. I mean other than like you 890 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:57.480 know, his name has been on these like monumentally large and popular games just 891 00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.159 in terms of like, oh, what's it like to work with them? 892 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.719 What's it like to do, Like I have no knowledge of that secondhand, 893 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.719 third hand whatever from you know, nothing Like if he wanted to start his 894 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.360 own studio, I would suspect that someone would go, Yes, we would 895 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.599 like to work with you on that once you get free and clear of all 896 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.519 this Take two stuff and all this lawsuit stuff. Let's talk. I'm assuming 897 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.400 is what the situation would be with that stuff. But agreed, we will 898 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.119 keep an eye on this. It sounds sortid, yes, and some saus 899 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.639 slimy a little bit, just a bit, a little bit. Uh. 900 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.719 The only other story I have, Well, it's one more thing. Maybe 901 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:39.639 the most haunting thing about some of the stuff is that none of it seems 902 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.159 surprising. Yeah, and that's from years and years of hearing just kind of 903 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.559 like different things about the company and stuff like you read it over goo. 904 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.760 Yeah that probably. Yeah, that seems believable. It just it puts some 905 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.920 details to like a general sort of tone that you had from people who had 906 00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.599 worked there are still worked there, just like like the there's a real yes, 907 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:07.440 a general tune to it of like yeah, I had to leave there. 908 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.519 Do those stories go back to like the first couple of GTAs or is 909 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.880 this like once three Blue up and got huge, everyone got big heads and 910 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.480 like, because I've heard all the stories going back, like the PS two 911 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:20.320 entries and stuff, but I don't know if this was so. I think 912 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.239 some of it was. Look, they named the studio rock Star, and 913 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:29.599 from day one they kind of acted the part, uh like they they definitely 914 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.280 were trying, and you know how much of it was posturing and how much 915 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:35.280 of it was like you know, like this is just who those people were 916 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.000 or the position that they had or something like that. But I distinctly remember 917 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:44.639 like when the rock Star brand kind of got established and they were taking you 918 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.480 know, they were should bringing games around and showing them off and stuff like 919 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.760 that, Like there was this general like we're hot shit they were Yeah, 920 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.920 yes, yes, there was like a real hot shit vibe. I got 921 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.440 out of that, and like in a lot of cases, the gamesaved up 922 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:02.440 to it. Yeah, most in some of those early days, like not 923 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.800 you know, PREGTA three, Like look, I really like GTA two. 924 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.800 Yeah it's a good one, but kept at three different gangs. The clown 925 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:14.920 Car game, Yeah, it's like weird future game, like they put shooting 926 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.280 out of the car in it, but not not necessarily. So that was 927 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.960 always my question when when they would bring the game around, was like, 928 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.760 you got drive bys in here or what? And the answer it was always 929 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.960 Liken GTA nineteen sixty nine, so sorry, the mission pack does not have 930 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.639 drive bys, And I was like, you need drive bys, And then 931 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:34.119 finally there was like, Jeff, the day came, finally we got drive 932 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.400 byes. Fucking yeah. And then you realize like, okay, well in 933 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.639 GTA two they weren't quite the way like you could upgrade the car and it 934 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.239 would shoot out the front of the car or something like that. You're like 935 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.000 the auto shop couldn't get two guns on the front. Yeah, yeah, 936 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:51.000 So it wasn't quite drive byes. But three you could just straight up L 937 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.679 two and circle right and like the left side or our and it was like 938 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.119 impossible to hit anything. It was Saint It was the first Saint Row that 939 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.119 got that down right. We're a radical that you aim and like a bumper. 940 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.239 But I don't think that's really right either though, because I think it's 941 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.760 better than just the L two R two. I think that's a super hard 942 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:07.599 problem to solve because you end up with like either yeah, you're just like 943 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.320 blind firing out the side, which is terrible, or you're attempting to move 944 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.679 a radical while still steering the car, which sucks but is probably truer to 945 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:21.480 the drive by experience. I haven't had one that faithfully recreated the drive by 946 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.440 experience in real life. I mean, if you did VR first person, 947 00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.840 one hand could be on the wheel and the other one could be the gun, 948 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.599 and then player two is wearing another headset and they just have a gun, 949 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.079 and then Lucky and Wild VR. Okay, let's just do that. 950 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.320 Give me the bens. I need the Bens and Wild. We're starting a 951 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:44.119 game development studio with Leslie Benz right proud to announce where we've acquired the IP 952 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:49.840 rights Lucky and Wild. Yes. I was actually surprised to find out, 953 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.239 Like, since you're talking about the founding of rock Star or whatever, like 954 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.519 his history with the studio actually goes back to pre rock Star. Yeah. 955 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.039 He was there at when it was DMA. Yeah, when it was DMA, 956 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.760 and when it was when ASC Games was publishing most of the what would 957 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.159 be the rock Star lineup for console, like GTA one. I think it 958 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.599 was published by ASC, right, but I thought like he worked on the 959 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.639 games that they did before the rock Star acquisition. I believe did you like 960 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.159 a Limmings game at some point? You like the in sixty four games, 961 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.440 like didn't like Space Station yeah and stuff like that. Yeah, but he 962 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.119 believe you were right. You've been around at the studio for a very long 963 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:27.280 time. Yeah, uh yes, I'm I'm pretty sure that's correct. I 964 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.079 could look it up. Am I imagining them working on a Limings game at 965 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.079 some point? Like obviously not the original one didn't, but it was they 966 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.519 Did every studio in the UK do a Limits game at one time? Yeah? 967 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.239 No, but by law DMA, I think I'm thinking of just DMA 968 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.719 now, which which was rock Star North, Like did DMA design became Rocks? 969 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.440 Was there were like a PlayStation one Limings that had a rock Star logo 970 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.679 on it. I feel like I remember seeing that. Maybe you know that's 971 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.519 that seems unlikely, but like wild Metal was a rock Star game, wasn't 972 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.239 it? Like so? And later on he had like Ony and Smugglers Run 973 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.840 kind of that early PS two stuff, right, which was very much a 974 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.199 rock Star game. OI felt a little weird when he was Bungee and Rocks. 975 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.440 I went to a laser tag arena in Phoenix to play one. All 976 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.960 right, that's that right, that's that's a weird mix of stuff. But 977 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.199 okay, that's that's where rock Star had their events, and they were when 978 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:16.599 they were showing off only in the preview players every took everybody to a laser 979 01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:22.320 tag arena in while it was only one event. Uh And and yeah, 980 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.960 they showed that and the other stuff that they had coming out around that time 981 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:31.320 when with the rock Star marketing swag was for Lemmings, so I I just 982 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:34.679 have a giant. It was just it was weird. I don't know, 983 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:38.719 it was just another coke mirror. I was holding my State of Emergency nightstick 984 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:44.760 not twenty four hours ago while pondering this. Yeah, no, yes, 985 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.320 Uh. Benzi's is credited on Space Station, Silken Valley and then like GTA 986 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:52.000 three, Vice City, Man huntres Good have been around stuff like that, 987 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.360 for sure. I'm sure that we will hear about any subsequent developments in the 988 01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:00.239 story as time moves along. I suspect it'll be one of those like this 989 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.360 is probably gonna be really quiet for a long time because they've made their filings 990 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.440 and and that's the stuff that kind of has to be public and now after 991 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.480 this is when it we probably don't hear anything for a long time unless it 992 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:13.480 goes to trial and all this other stuff. Yes, but yeah, DMA 993 01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.400 design was that was like David Jones, you know, like right right, 994 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.519 yeah, and then so when when he got out of there, and then 995 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.960 then it became like that's right, they didn't even create like the Houser didn't 996 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.960 even create GTA did they Like that was him? Right, Yeah, it's 997 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.239 I believe that's because that when when it's because when they were bringing crack down 998 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:31.559 around, like the whole line around that thing was right, we got the 999 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.559 guy, we got well you know, of course they're gonna try to spend 1000 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:37.159 it that way. But you know, at the end of the day, 1001 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.480 all that stuff is a collaboration, right, it's it's indeed, you know 1002 01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:45.960 there's there's a lot of that. Sure enough, all right, I have 1003 01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:52.000 one more story, unirasers, man, Yeah, what's DMA really? DMA 1004 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.400 really? What is that a super FFX chip? Yes? That was Wasn't 1005 01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:59.760 it enough that that is that? Maybe? No, it's gonna say that 1006 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.360 maybe the greatest game that that studio has ever produced. That's a good game. 1007 01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:08.519 I love Unirasers looks real good. We need the Benz. I know 1008 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:10.880 you didn't work on unirasors. Maybe you didn't work on unirasors, but we're 1009 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.119 making unirasors too. We're not gonna get sued this time. Finally, let's 1010 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.159 do it. Final the subtitle Unirasers too. We're not gonna We're not gonna 1011 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:21.360 get sued this time. Finally, and then in prences, at least not 1012 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.000 by the people that sued over Unirasers. Right, he finally cast off the 1013 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:30.559 yoke of rock Star and now he can follow his dreams with new Unirasers. 1014 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:35.320 Sure, all right, one more story. People are starting to get Oculus 1015 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:39.880 Rifts titles working on the Vibe. Huh like Oculus Storefront Tests. Yes, 1016 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:44.559 uh. The two games are Lucky's Tail and then Oculus dream Deck. Actually 1017 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:45.360 is that even a game or is it? No, that's that's more of 1018 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.559 like here's a bunch of experiences you can do, like or just hey, 1019 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.960 watch this stuff. Hey it's a dinosaur aliens looking at you now you're standing 1020 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.159 on a roof and stuff like that. So that's the process for this That 1021 01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:00.199 stuff is that stuff is enabled buy something called libra Vry, which is an 1022 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.599 alpha thing it is quote a proof of concept compatibility layer between the Oculus SDK 1023 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:09.639 and open VR, which I had not VR is based on some of the 1024 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.199 open VRR spect and some of that stuff, I believe. But OvR is 1025 01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:17.800 like open VR is like another well there's there there's another headset that is kind 1026 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.239 of like in like dev kate form that is like presented as like here's like 1027 01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.920 a reference model open VR headset, and anyone can make one. I don't 1028 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.280 know, like it's just you know, it's like an open thing, the 1029 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:33.320 VR equivalent of mecassault. Yeah, kind of where you can just subvert whatever 1030 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:39.400 weird stuff Oculus has to use your valve headset and build your own mech Yeah. 1031 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.840 But yeah, the open VR is is not too far from like a 1032 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.519 DK one or something like that. And some people are three D printing parts 1033 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.880 of them too. Many different future texts lining up together. We are in 1034 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:55.400 the future, that's right. Razors Razors Razors one of the partners on the 1035 01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:00.480 OSVR. They're just gonna be like eighteen competing headsets at some point. I 1036 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.880 don't know, I really don't know. You could see like a Razor or 1037 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:04.800 somebody coming out with the headset in a year, right, I need a 1038 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:09.599 video game expert to sort it out. Too bad, those are shortly around 1039 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:16.400 here. We need get of it here. Uh So I wasn't aware of 1040 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.280 this, but I guess like anything that runs on the Vibe pretty much runs 1041 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:24.239 on the Oculus as well. It sounds like that's that's what this Kataka story 1042 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:27.800 where I got this news from anything that runs on the like through this rapper 1043 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.719 you mean or hang on on me find that line. And I mean the 1044 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.079 story is literally starts by saying any game you play on the HC vive, 1045 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:43.000 I'll hang on. Did I misunderstand that? Uh? Yes, yes, 1046 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.639 this is yeah, this is straight up saying all five games work on the 1047 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.239 rifts just out of the box. Okay, well obviously the rift without the 1048 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.960 yeah, but but they like they run, there's nothing, there's something they're 1049 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.440 arbitrarily stopping the right conceivably like once the touch controllers would never come out right, 1050 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:00.960 which is that might take work though, and and and you know, 1051 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.039 there are differences in the way that the oculus stuff is going to be tracked 1052 01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:09.079 compared to how the Vibe stuff is tracked, So it's not I don't think 1053 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.599 it'll be a simple like out of the box. This works sort of sitch 1054 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.800 but yeah, but yeah, but yeah, people are people are doing that 1055 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.000 work to get get riffed exclusive games up on the vive. Yeah. So 1056 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.880 I've been messing around with the Oculus Rift at home here and there, and 1057 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.119 yeah, like it's there's a well you know there are Yeah, there are 1058 01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.599 plenty of games that, like the Steam has a flag for developers says like 1059 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.840 supports Oculus Rift or supports HDC vive or Steam VR or whatever it is. 1060 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:40.039 And then from there it's like standing or sitting or room scale, Like they 1061 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.360 have all these flags in there. So if you're saying anything runs, and 1062 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:47.039 that would mean anything that is sitting or standing and doesn't require the motion controllers 1063 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:50.280 should work on the Rift, which I actually so I actually managed to get 1064 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:57.880 into a game of Descent Underground for the first time, biggest news of this 1065 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:00.440 podcast, and and it actually booted up and worked, which the four times 1066 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:02.760 we've tried it on live shows and other stuff like, it just won't connect 1067 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.920 it. Even PREVR kind of just was not connecting to servers and a running 1068 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.119 theme that Disent Underground never works. Yeah. Right, So, so I 1069 01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.840 managed to get into one game of that and what is it. It's Descent. 1070 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.719 It's multiplayer only Descent. It's a multiplayer Descent game. There's room for 1071 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.480 a campaign, but it's not in there yet because it's early access, and 1072 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:24.159 it didn't look particularly great. And yeah, it's just like a death match 1073 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:27.719 yeah game, Okay, Yeah, that's that's what I got into. Anyway, 1074 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:29.559 Maybe there are other modes and stuff like that, but that's what I 1075 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:32.840 got into. And yeah, that was that. But but that lists Oculus 1076 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.719 as a supported platform or supported peripheral, so I don't I guess, yeah, 1077 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:41.519 I don't know. That stuff's been weird. It's stuff like a virtual 1078 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:45.880 desktop on Steam comes with a CD key that is actually an Oculus Store key, 1079 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.639 so you can go, if you buy it on Steam, you get 1080 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.480 a key for the Oculus Store version. I don't even think it's for sale 1081 01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:55.840 on the Oculus Store, like I think that's the only way to buy it, 1082 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.480 and you end up with like multiple versions of it as results. Does 1083 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.400 it pop up in the Steam interface the that like games Rolling does live keys 1084 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:04.239 used to yep, weird? Oh wow yeah, And I'm like, this 1085 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.880 doesn't appear to actually need this key, And then I went and read their 1086 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.920 page I'm like, this is an Oculus store key that you'll get, and 1087 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:14.079 I was like, oh, okay, that's actually kind of cool because the 1088 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.119 Oculus storefront, if you have a rift, is somehow even easier to launch 1089 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:20.359 than Steam because you just put the damn headside on launch it and it just 1090 01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:24.680 knows because it just keeps that service running in the background all the time and 1091 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.439 all that stuff. So it's like that was actually a more convenient way to 1092 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:31.760 use something like that. That stuff is all over the place and it's really 1093 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.720 weird, but like stuff seems to work. Like they're definitely like games that 1094 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.359 are not in the Oculus store that are on Steam that I've gotten working. 1095 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:43.840 I got the Steam VR like grid to appear, not the the not the 1096 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:47.920 chaperone, not the chaperone, but the the the empty space that you live 1097 01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:51.880 in where the Steam interface appears. I've gotten that show up in a rift 1098 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.680 headset, which that's just you just click Steam VR and it works with an 1099 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.079 Oculus Rift. Now, before before the Vibe was out, it did not, 1100 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.119 so they've they've sensed updated with whatever they need to update with to make 1101 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:10.079 that go. It's just weird because anytime you do anything, so I downloaded 1102 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:15.239 the Virtual Boy emulator with Oculus Rift support. Oh shit, I want to 1103 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:18.359 which if you want to finally head tracking with Mario ten So it'll it'll, 1104 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:23.079 it'll. It has two view modes. One is like just standard like head 1105 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:27.319 tracking does nothing. Yeah, and then there's another mode that maps it into 1106 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.520 space so you can it's just a flat surface like it's like screen and space 1107 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:31.479 that you can you can look around. You don't want to do that, 1108 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:33.399 or you can just like put it on a tripod and do it like an 1109 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.119 actual virtual boy. Yeah, I mean, yeah you could. I want 1110 01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:40.359 them to make a virtual virtual boy in the VR headset that you have to 1111 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:43.960 move, walk and put your face up to and then it sucks somehow. 1112 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.840 Yeah. Now, so I did that, and you know, like that's 1113 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:51.319 cool. But it still pops up the Oculus interface and all this other stuff 1114 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:56.000 like along the way. So even when you're running Steam, it still throws 1115 01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:00.399 up the Oculus store on your desktop every time you put it on, and 1116 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.279 you still go through the like push a to continue process of the Oculus storefront 1117 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:08.159 before it launches into the game. So it's it's like one of those things 1118 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.560 where there's just like too many different things running at once and you're like, 1119 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:13.880 there maybe one too many menus, but you can do it all, so 1120 01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:17.720 can up all those CPU cycles? God, we're a far cry from that 1121 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.840 glorious just like no, far cry doesn't work. That's a shame. But 1122 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:24.520 you know, just like that that future we all envisioned, like any VR 1123 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:28.319 thing works on any headset. Like that's not quite, No, it depends, 1124 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.560 not quite as of yet. Yeah, but it's way further along than 1125 01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:34.600 I thought it would be based on where it was when we first got the 1126 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:38.720 Rift and it was like, oh, none of this stuff works, Like 1127 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:43.960 what hang on? That's this seems like questionable? Yeah? Uh so yeah, 1128 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.159 it's it's a lot of that work seems to I'm be curious to see 1129 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.119 if you go the other way. Well, I guess that was that this 1130 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:53.199 this rapper does, right, You're using the Vibe on the Oculus stuff, 1131 01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:57.079 yes, Quoculus software on the Vibe right, Yes, okay with with this 1132 01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.880 rapper, like you shouldn't need a wrapper that stuff. I agree. Uh. 1133 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.159 And then this taking story does point out the Palmer, like he said 1134 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:09.039 back in December quote, if customers buy a game from US, I don't 1135 01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:12.359 care if they mought it. To run on whatever they want. So that's 1136 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:15.399 making they're making money on the software sale, right, It's exactly. It's 1137 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:16.720 just one of those things where it's like you would hope that they wouldn't have 1138 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.840 to mode. Yeah, it's a shame that but these extra steps are required. 1139 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.840 But maybe that's something that now that both headsets are out, more developers 1140 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.760 will just like put the functionality in there out of the gate and it won't 1141 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.159 need who knows, who knows where this all goes, what happens when StarVR 1142 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.720 comes out? StarVR will never Oh man, that's rough. Jeff, what's 1143 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:36.720 your what's your good too? For Virtual Boy? The first one you loaded 1144 01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:39.479 up red Alarm. Yeah. I was gonna ask, like, name a 1145 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.479 game that's worth playing on the Virtual Boy. Oh no, there isn't. 1146 01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.960 There isn't name, okay, but yeah, probably red Alar. That's that's 1147 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.000 probably the one. I ended up loading up the Warrior game first because that 1148 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:55.439 was like the pack end Tennis one tennis. Yeah that's right, Yeah, 1149 01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:58.479 but yeah, I don't know. I loaded up a Warrior the like the 1150 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:00.840 Warrior game, played a little bit of that, and I played Teleroboxer and 1151 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:05.800 then realized that for the controls didn't see seemed to be mapped correctly, because 1152 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:09.159 I don't know if you know this, The Virtual Boy controller is a fucking 1153 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:14.439 nightmare, right yeah, yeah, tepads it was, or it was ahead 1154 01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:16.279 of its time, how about that? Okay, just on in all the 1155 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:23.239 weirdest ways. What a thing? What a thing? The Virtual Boy was 1156 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:25.439 how many games? Off the top of your head, do you know how 1157 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:30.000 many they made? Lap and they just retire for six months? No, 1158 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:34.279 no, it died fast. But they didn't launch with twenty games. They 1159 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:39.279 also were like three or something. I don't know. Yikes, that golf 1160 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:42.640 game. Indeed, all right, that's the news of the day. Someone 1161 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:47.399 apparently made a pretty good Street Fighter two for Virtual Boy, recently sold it 1162 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.039 or or we're sending out copies. I forget what it was, but I'm 1163 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:54.159 interested in this. Yeah. What did the carts look like for that thing? 1164 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.239 Were they like kind of game? They were bigger, they were a 1165 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.960 little they were more like game gear carts, I remember, right size, 1166 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:03.119 Yeah, they could be. I don't know. We had a demo unit 1167 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:08.600 a Blockbuster when I worked there. It's like that was pretty exciting for an 1168 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:11.479 hour, yea, for the thirty seconds it took you to approach it. 1169 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.239 Yeah, and then you put your face in it, You're like, oh, 1170 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:17.600 this kind of sucks. All right, Oh all right, that's the 1171 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.399 news. Thank you, Brad, Thank you for being here to talk about 1172 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:25.479 video games. Always a pleasure. Let's move on to what we haven't been 1173 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:30.000 playing. Who's been playing? Well? Man? I started Dark Dark Souls 1174 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.560 three and yeah, talked about plenty of your five hours in doing PC looks 1175 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.840 yeah, real, real good, like a lot. You know. Last 1176 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.680 week I talked about Ratchet, and it's been a long time since I've done 1177 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.239 this. Like I beat the game and then over the weekend, I was 1178 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:48.079 like, man, that was a lot of fun, and there's a new 1179 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:51.640 game plus and you can like level up your weapons from maximum five to maximum 1180 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:55.560 ten with all these new upgrades and everything, and I just beat the game 1181 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:59.079 again over the weekend. She's and now I'm like a few trophies away from 1182 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:00.039 the Platinum, and it's like, I'm just gonna go for that. I 1183 01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.880 guess. Yeah, it's just super fun. Yeah. I have not seen 1184 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.199 like a negative word uttered about that game, Like, I mean, everybody 1185 01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.359 seems way into it. The only thing I can say is that, like 1186 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:12.800 if you're a big Ratchet fan and you were looking forward like, Okay, 1187 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:15.560 what's the next thing, and Somniak's going to do with Ratchet and Clank, 1188 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.960 what's the next step forward? It's like, well, this is an old 1189 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.760 story and it's just taking a bunch of like the best weapons and systems from 1190 01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.760 the game. Like it's a like the greatest hits of all the features of 1191 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.880 the game. Who who would have thought remaking the first game would be the 1192 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.439 thing that would bring everybody back. Yeah, like a movie tie in. 1193 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.319 Yeah, it's it's really really good. Like, as a Ratchet fan, 1194 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:35.000 I loved it. We did a quick look on the site and the video 1195 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:40.359 that we have like really does not do the game justice as far as gorgeous. 1196 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.279 Yeah, how good it looks? Yeah yeah, man, Yeah, 1197 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:45.960 I was blown away. I said in the review that it's kind of perfect 1198 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.760 no matter who you are, Like, if you're a longtime Ratchet fan, 1199 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.560 it is a great look back at the world's that first one with all the 1200 01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:56.199 cool gameplay stuff and modern mechanics of a new game. If you're a kid 1201 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:58.680 that just saw the movie and you like the characters, it's like, well, 1202 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:00.560 okay, here's an awesome game with those characters and actual scenes from the 1203 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:03.119 movie, and if you've never played a Raction Clank game, it's like, 1204 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:05.560 well, this, here's everything that's awesome about Ratchet and Clank games. Have 1205 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.560 at it, like it's it seems like a really good starting point for them 1206 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.279 to make more Ratchet and Client games. Yeah, so this can be the 1207 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.600 MK nine of Ratchet and Clan. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 1208 01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.399 it's forty bucks, like, yeah, awesome. I heard some stuff about 1209 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:23.840 that movie though I did too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard 1210 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.560 it was not great, which, you know, the storytelling in the game 1211 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.760 is not like amazing, it's it's got funny, Like the writing is good, 1212 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.399 like the little dialogue and stuff like that, and all the characters are 1213 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:33.840 funny and everything, but how do the actual plot itself is just yeah, 1214 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.239 well, yeah, it's a ration Clank game. Like all the cut scenes 1215 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.960 in the previous games have been you know, well written, they're actually pretty 1216 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.720 funny and stuff. But I'd wondered how like they would stretch that out for 1217 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.000 an entire like feature length. Yeah. I was excited about maybe seeing the 1218 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:49.359 movie, but after the early words have been here and maybe not so much. 1219 01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:53.520 But then one other thing I did this weekend. That's kind of game 1220 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.880 related. Is I did one of those real life like puzzle room escape. 1221 01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:01.159 Yeah, it's super fun, crazy elaborate. Yeah it was. It's like 1222 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.520 being inside the Witness. It was like it was pretty fun. It sounds 1223 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:08.159 so good. Yeah, here in the city. Yeah, we had like 1224 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:12.439 a team of eleven people go into this thing in Japan Town and way more 1225 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.680 elaborate than I expected. It's like this whole like kind of saw set up 1226 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.279 or whatever, where there's this guy with a mask called the Fox who like 1227 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:21.560 the straps explosives to all your arms and with the you know, padlocks and 1228 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.239 stuff, and you have to get individual keep you at all with the way 1229 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.479 you controller. Yeah. Yeah, you have to take off all your individual 1230 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.079 bomb bracelets and then you also have to get a key to exit the room. 1231 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.640 All within an hour. And yeah, lots of just really really difficult 1232 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:36.800 puzzles and and there's different ones where it's like this one has an escape rate 1233 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.880 of four percent, this one has eighteen percent, and it's it's fucking hard. 1234 01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.479 We did We got very very close, but then we ran out of 1235 01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:47.119 time at the end. But that's why I want my money back. I 1236 01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:50.880 was banking on him No, that was super funny if you get a chance 1237 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:55.359 to do it. Like I've heard that the quality of those things varies dramatically 1238 01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.520 based on like who's puts them together. I think the company that did this 1239 01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:00.720 one was like named Scrap or something. They do a ton of them in 1240 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.199 like La and San Francisco. But yeah, I would love to do more 1241 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.840 of those. I guess the same people that did do like Escape from at 1242 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:10.680 and T Park thing recently that was a big popular thing where they did at 1243 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.560 the ballpark. Huh So yeah, I don't know, I'm first I've heard 1244 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:15.560 of that. Yeah, first time I've done that. It was super fun. 1245 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:19.520 Yeah, so excellent. Yeah live action gaming. Wow, that's crazy. 1246 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:24.880 So you were laughing Yeah yeah, OK, yeah, and you're comfortable 1247 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:29.920 with this and John Vaniaki, Yeah, there's a there's something that I believe 1248 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:31.920 it's mostly on the West Coast, but it's like a horror movie kind of 1249 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.720 live action experience, like a camping thing and you camp out in a tense 1250 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.880 well I believe you'd like start off like telling ghost stories around a campfire, 1251 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.560 but at some point you gotta go night night time and the tents and then 1252 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.239 like an hour or two later you'll start hearing like murders happening, people shaking 1253 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:53.439 your tent, and you can sign up for like different levels of whatever they 1254 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:57.039 can chase after me or some shit like that. That that sounds kind of 1255 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.279 somebody just made like a real life Blair Witch. It's something. I don't 1256 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:02.399 know if this is true or not, and I would love to hear some 1257 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:06.479 emails to confirm or deny this. Growing up, I always heard from a 1258 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:11.880 million different people that's somewhere in Kansas, and like a rural area of Kansas 1259 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.760 there was a haunted house, which I thought this was every city. Kansas 1260 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:18.079 City every Halloween has like a billion haunted houses, like super elaborate, you 1261 01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:20.760 know, just crazy high budget things. And it's really like bad part of 1262 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:24.880 town where they take all these abandoned warehouses and turn them into these insane haunted 1263 01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:27.800 houses. But I heard there was one if you go like closer to central 1264 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.680 Kansas where it was like a six story building or something and if you get 1265 01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.159 to the top one, if you get to the top floor, kill you 1266 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:36.840 for real. Yeah. No, it's like I don't remember. You get 1267 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.359 some kind of prize or you get like put on some Hall of fame. 1268 01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.479 Or get your money back or something about this in a lot of cities. 1269 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:45.119 Yeah, and that's why I wonder if it's a big thing. And they 1270 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:45.640 said, like, oh, the sixth floor, Like no, only we 1271 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.600 got up to the fifth floor and it's just filled with snakes because live snakes 1272 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:51.079 everywhere. You have to like sign your life away before you go into this 1273 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:54.800 thing. And so I don't know if that's a real thing or not. 1274 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.600 So I'd love to hear if that's it's probably super illegal if it is, 1275 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.640 I was like snopes dot com, Yeah, okay, uh, to see 1276 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:02.560 if there is anything on there about that. But I feel like i've I've 1277 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:08.000 heard of that and multiple Citi isn't always the top floor that it's like you'll 1278 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.920 either you know, be faced with death or something or I don't know, 1279 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.359 but operates one in the area, so I can I can ask him if 1280 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:19.359 anyone operates like one of these death houses or just like a normal hunted out. 1281 01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:21.319 I would think that it's a normal on it okay, you know, 1282 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:24.880 it's it's pretty good. I would think that just about everyone would make it 1283 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.800 to the top of that because you would you would approach it from the perspective 1284 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:33.720 of like well, they're not going to kill anyone, but there's probably likes 1285 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:38.199 that are actually dangerous. They wouldn't be able to do this, like a 1286 01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.079 lot of people. Even if it was really darter snakes or something, it'd 1287 01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:43.800 be like that, I don't want to go through that dark room full fill 1288 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.680 of snakes. What if you think they're just really incompetent. I also think 1289 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.680 that, like if it was a really dark room filled with snakes and they 1290 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.279 were in such a way that you could step on them, that would also 1291 01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.239 be illegal. Oh yeah, yeah, so like just yes, yeah, 1292 01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.640 I I freaked out in a hunt of house and Grade ones in Kansas City 1293 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.560 is a boy scout trip, and at one point I was so scared already 1294 01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:08.439 and this dude jumps out with like a chainsaw, like without the you know 1295 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.800 blade obviously, like right in my face, and I freaked out and I 1296 01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:13.560 was like, I need to get out of here, Get me out of 1297 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:15.560 here. And the guy had to take me into emergency exit take off his 1298 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:19.239 mask, and I think he might have carried me through the rest of the 1299 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.520 thing. And so I saw everyone with their like makeup and stuff in the 1300 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:26.960 back, like smoking and stuff. This is just super fucking weird. Is 1301 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.119 that more saunting stuff than I remember being interested by That was a little claustrophobic 1302 01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:33.479 and everything in the house. I've had some friends that have worked at them. 1303 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:35.119 Yeah, well, yeah, it's it's a really cool. Yeah, 1304 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:40.079 I've friends that have like run them or like put one on or something for 1305 01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:43.239 that seems like so much fun, Except for the one that I went to. 1306 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:45.479 I was probably like eighteen or something, so I was living in like 1307 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:49.520 wasa Wisconsin. On the radio, they were advertising this nightmare that's super fucking 1308 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:53.880 scary and like Marshfield, Wisconsin or something like that. So a bunch of 1309 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:58.439 buddies and I got together drove to Marshfield and turns out it was at a 1310 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.640 church. Is it one of the easy? It is one of us. 1311 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.119 So you're walking through there and there's like mothers like with their aborted babies, 1312 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:12.359 and there's Jesus strung up and he's crying and pleading with the stops. Usually 1313 01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.840 Yeah, yeah, it was not advertised as such. I gotta learns that 1314 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.760 was kind of disappointing. But yeah, that I think about it, I 1315 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:23.000 don't think it was fifth grade because then I'd be like twelve, and that's 1316 01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:25.600 way more embarrassing. I think I was like seven when I had to get 1317 01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:29.079 carried out of the Haunt of the House. Sure, for the record, 1318 01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.399 Jason mag your how's your dark Souls going? Going? Uh? Here and 1319 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:39.520 there and everywhere? I'm cold on it, Like, Yeah, I got 1320 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.920 confounded by a specific thing. I'm gonna try very hard to not do any 1321 01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:48.760 spoilers, boss. No, not specifically, but I found out that I'm 1322 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.760 apparently going to get the bad ending in the game. Okay, so what 1323 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:57.319 did you find out? No, just like reading of regular like not item 1324 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.840 description, but just like a volcanic of sorts. It's like, what is 1325 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:01.920 this do? And I had no idea, and I really wanted to look 1326 01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:04.319 it up, so I looked up you know that entry and it's like, 1327 01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:08.720 okay, if this happens, then you know you're you're gonna get the bad 1328 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.319 ending. I've been I'll try to speak vaguely here too. I've been doing 1329 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.680 something over and over to get souls. It is very easy, and I 1330 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:17.680 wonder that since I keep doing this, if I'm going to get some kind 1331 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.239 of bad ending. I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about. 1332 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:25.600 Now. I'm super it's very early on I can probably. I don't 1333 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.760 think it's it's not a story thing at all. You're gonna get to the 1334 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:30.720 end of the game and there's gonna be a bunch of people asking to pray 1335 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:31.960 with you, and you're gonna turn it out that it was a hell house. 1336 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:36.960 Man. It's just like there are all those like innocent like ghouls or 1337 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:42.880 whatever. I murder them constantly to get like it's like thirty sous'll fight back. 1338 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.159 But yeah, that's not that much, Okay. I just wondered though, 1339 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.079 if like, since I'm constantly murdering them, thinks it's like they're a 1340 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:50.920 bad person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But regardless, I mean, 1341 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:54.640 the thing is like, oh shit, I can't come back from this. 1342 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.680 I know I'm not going to get the ending that I really want. I 1343 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.000 don't know if I'm gonna go through a new game plus or anything like that. 1344 01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:01.680 It's kind of deflay. Just I've tried to find new goals, so 1345 01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:05.880 I'm taking like just a lot of alternate routes, fighting as many bosses as 1346 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:09.960 like as I can. Very hard not to look up like what they give 1347 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.760 me, because sometimes it's like shit they gave me that I'm not going to 1348 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.560 use that, but yeah, I've been I've been going back in like kind 1349 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:16.680 of scouring old areas and find it. Like there's just been a couple of 1350 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.800 cases. There was a lot of fun, like, oh, there was 1351 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:21.560 a whole huge area off to the side of this area that I didn't even 1352 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.920 know it was there until I went back and did a thing. But it's 1353 01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:27.760 not like you know, weird branching pockets. They're like stuff that kind of 1354 01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.000 circles back. They were like alternate routes, I guess, you know, 1355 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.600 so it's I don't know, it's it's branching, but it's still connect. 1356 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:39.319 It's strange. It's strange. Did you fight that? I want to ask 1357 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:42.560 if you fought a certain boss yet I did, But people will get mad 1358 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:45.720 if I even say this boss's name. Yeah, I don't say the name, 1359 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.720 but I thought, Yeah, a few different bosses this weekend, and 1360 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:53.279 one I was actually stuck on for like a few days, okay, because 1361 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.399 I'm really trying to optimize my build right now, because I was going very 1362 01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:00.039 very hybrid, and as it turns out, like my damage out but it 1363 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:01.279 was just too low. So I found out that there's a way to like 1364 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.640 respect and I guess I went and I did that, and yeah, I've 1365 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:08.520 retoolt some stuff and things are going a lot better. So it's yeah, 1366 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:12.319 considerably more fun. Yeah, but I'm continually impressed by the environments in that 1367 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.119 game. It looks it looks amazing. There's fantastic, really thoughtful level design 1368 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.760 in there. There's some uh, there's some interesting subversions of like things that 1369 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:24.199 you expect to happen in terms of boss fights and other things that happen. 1370 01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.359 Well, I've been seeing the things that you mentioned too, of like this 1371 01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.279 weird overtness from Dark Souls where it's like, hey, remember this thing, 1372 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.920 Yeah, that thing that has only intensified as I've gotten close to the end 1373 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:36.600 of the game. Wow, it just gets more and more, Like some 1374 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:41.560 of the stuff is an Austin's review, but it is fucking weirdly callback eto 1375 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.199 like every from software game, and not just in like it don't description, 1376 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:50.520 but every everyone that everyone Mack, did you fight that basically yes, no, 1377 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:54.079 but I mean everyone that you could consider a Soul's game, like, 1378 01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:56.880 like Austin mentioned that in his review that like there's even things you could look 1379 01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.920 at in this that seem like Blood Born callbacks. Oh yeah, there's some 1380 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:04.039 models that were blood Born though. Yeah, I've seen in this. I 1381 01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:06.199 want you to give it a shot. Like, really, I download it, 1382 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:09.600 I didn't run it, downloaded it. I mean you got kind of 1383 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.560 far in blood Born, you know, and maybe with that behind you and 1384 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.119 that in your blood a little bit and you might approach this one a little 1385 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:17.800 bit differently. Granted, this is this is the Soul's game through through. 1386 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.960 It is not ye not blood Born. I mean the aesthetic, you know, 1387 01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:24.319 obviously it's the same. And you have the video card that can rely 1388 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.039 out reliably. Yeah, run the game. Have they fixed that yet? 1389 01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:30.359 Yeah? Wait? What crash bug about seven hundred one? Yeah? Not 1390 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:33.600 sure about that, man, I don't think yeah that's there. You know 1391 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:39.520 there is a new patch rolling out like never might have fixed it. Is 1392 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:42.199 that the one point one that's supposed to fix the frame rate issues on like 1393 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:45.079 lower end machines. I don't know, because there's a major frame rate issues 1394 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:46.479 and lower end stuff. Yeah, I ever read that. It seems like 1395 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.039 they should call in some kind of video game expert to help you. I 1396 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:56.039 don't know fully there were an international they need so from software needs the bends, 1397 01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:00.399 give them the bends. We need the bens. Yeah, we need 1398 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.279 the bens. Yeah. Overall, I'm still yeah, super digging the game. 1399 01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:06.159 Yeah, I'll see. It's great for streat. I'm looking forward to 1400 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:09.640 seeing the rest of it. But there's there's times when I just get super 1401 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:14.079 frustrated when when things are not I know you've said that, like item descriptions 1402 01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:16.359 and like their explanations. They've done a great job with that, but there's 1403 01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:20.239 still those like weird interpersonal relationships. It's like, oh, you talk to 1404 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.800 so and so, Well, I'm not gonna talk to you anymore. Who's 1405 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.720 each other? It's like being at fucking middle school again. I don't understand 1406 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.119 what the hell? Yeah, I pissed somebody off, and all of a 1407 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:31.239 sudden they're like showing up in the mat wanting to kill me. I'm like, 1408 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:34.279 what the fuck did I do? Another semester at Fire Lake High? 1409 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:38.800 All right? All right? Yeah, all the quest lines are super obscure 1410 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.159 for sure. Yeah, And that pisses me out because it's like locked me 1411 01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.960 out of specific I. I have the same conflict of like, well, 1412 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:45.960 I don't want to I'm afraid to join this covenant because like, joining some 1413 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.840 covenants will make other Apaci refuse to talk to you. But I don't want 1414 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:53.399 to go just look up a fact and like you know, wikip my way 1415 01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.000 through the game, because that's no fun either. I do like the new 1416 01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:59.560 that FP system. I like how because I'm a pyromancherich, so I like 1417 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.880 it's more right forward then like the weird stuff in the first Dark Souls where 1418 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.920 it was like you have a limited eighth and then when I go fire, 1419 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.600 I get more. But I like how you can allocate, like, well 1420 01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:11.479 I went two and two instead of three and one, We're gonna have four 1421 01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.640 health ones and no blue point ones or whatever. Like I'm I was talking 1422 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.680 to a friend who's playing a sorcerer and he's he's going, he's going all 1423 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:20.279 blue ESTs flasks FU because he has a healing spell. Oh he's a cool 1424 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:24.319 sorcery something. He's like he's fully specked into end and faith and stuff. 1425 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.119 Okay, so he just uses those to recharge FP because he has his healing 1426 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.119 spell that he calls to heal himself. So yeah, on all up to 1427 01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:34.319 you different ways to like you know, like we were saying before, like 1428 01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:38.520 they they went all the way in the other direction from blood Borne where they're 1429 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.880 like eight different ways to play the game, Like there's a bazillion play styles 1430 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:47.359 possible in this Uh he kind of fails chasing even playing nasty fighting real quick, 1431 01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:51.119 like a drunken battle lounge at like midnights over the weekend. That it 1432 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:54.119 was fun. Just had a bunch of people come in, ran smoothly. 1433 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:58.479 Yeah that's that's That's all that I really need is that you fucking mettle lounge. 1434 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:00.680 I need homies to play with, and I need a good connection, 1435 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:04.640 and I had all of that. Oh yeah, and that goes without saying 1436 01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:10.000 all right, excellent screenshots of Guile out there now, Yeah, looking good, 1437 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:13.279 man, Look at God? Look like they said they said, gentlemen, 1438 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.600 gentleman. Wait what yeah? Really yeah? What's looking good? I 1439 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:20.439 gotta see that. Have they said anything about, like I know, Nash 1440 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:24.119 is not just a Guile clone, but he's kind done at all kind of 1441 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.479 well yeah, at anything about how Guyle is going to play They know each 1442 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.640 other guys to be very similar. Yeah so yeah. Still sonic boom Yeah 1443 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:35.079 flash kick like an actual one, but like his a V skill looks to 1444 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:40.119 power up his sonic booms, Like he'll get like sonic Boom bracelets or something 1445 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.720 like that, and it'll give like armor to his projectile so they can like 1446 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.319 blast through their stuff a head, he's got handcuffs. Was gonna say, 1447 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:51.119 just a reference man Invisible throws and magic throw. Yeah, they should put 1448 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:54.119 that in there, but yeah, I'm not positive. You know, we 1449 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:57.079 haven't seen any game play, just on some screenshots and I just briefly looked 1450 01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.880 over the article. I think that's how that stuff's gonna work. What are 1451 01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:02.760 the costumes coming out? I don't plays angy, but I need I need 1452 01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:08.479 to buy that Macho Man costume. That's really good. It's pretty good. 1453 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:12.319 But yeah, Guyl is supposedly coming out sometime this month, but they're gonna 1454 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.239 give away with like one of the costumes for free and until does any store 1455 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:18.479 opens, because that's still not going to be open in this update. How 1456 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:21.000 many free characters do you think they give out before they get that up? 1457 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:24.560 And right, I don't know, let them keep coming. Yeah, yeah, 1458 01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.600 it's hard to argue with it. Oh, they're gonna have a DLC 1459 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.079 stage too. That's kind of cool because it's a recreation of Guyle's original stage, 1460 01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:31.840 but all in three D. It's like it's kind of pricey. Though 1461 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.960 it's like seventy thousand fight points. Yeah, the character is what a hundred? 1462 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:41.600 The characters one hundred. Yeah, so kind of stages are seventy, 1463 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.560 costumes are forty, and then colors range. Gotta get that fight money. 1464 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:49.640 Yeah. Yeah, they gotta give us challenges and ship to do, like 1465 01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:54.079 the daily ones. They still haven't initiated those yet. Ran Yeah, fucking 1466 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:57.039 whatever. I don't give a shit. I just want to fight people. 1467 01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:01.079 Yeah, you'll be happy, I jeff. Yeah, what's been going on? 1468 01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.079 Oh, realm of video games? Oh man, in the realm of 1469 01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:06.840 video game? Really talk about it. I went, I've been playing the 1470 01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:11.399 Division a lot more lately. They put out that most recent update to add 1471 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.960 the Incursion, Yeah, which is not not a raid, not a raid, 1472 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:17.079 not really a raid, but it is a difficult mission. This is 1473 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.600 the Bank level stuff, the Dark level stuff. Yeah no, this is 1474 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:25.560 not part of the Dark Zone. This is this is just a mission they 1475 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.279 added to the game that is meant to be endgame content. Oh and you 1476 01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.279 can run it multiple times to get you know, like a high end gear. 1477 01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:35.920 They have gear sets in there now, and they've added gear Score, 1478 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:42.319 which is their kind of version of Destiny's light level yea. And so that's 1479 01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.439 been a weird system to interact with because now any level thirty gear just has 1480 01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.039 a number assigned to it that is a gear score. So you'll see drops 1481 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:53.439 that say like it's eighty nine, but they're all like in they're all there. 1482 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:56.119 It's like one of like five different numbers or something like that. It's 1483 01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.640 like, it is eighty nine, it is not eighty eight. It is 1484 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:01.279 not ninety. It is a nine. It is one thirty one, not 1485 01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:06.079 one thirty is one thirty one, there's two oh four, okay, you 1486 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.159 know. So it is like there's there's just specific numbers and they don't necessarily 1487 01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:14.520 so your gear score is an average of the gear you have equipped at a 1488 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:18.279 given time. And it's it's not like light where like just adding one point 1489 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:24.119 makes you more powerful across the board. It is just an indication of what 1490 01:31:24.199 --> 01:31:28.520 you have equipped. So I have found gear. So so there are roles 1491 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:30.600 within you know that like Diablo or anything like that, Like you can get 1492 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:34.319 a shitty version of an item or a you know, if it's got a 1493 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:40.720 higher roll, like it's like, oh, this has eleven percent of you 1494 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.079 know, fire resistance, this one only has six and they're both the exact 1495 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.560 same item, but they both are one thirty ones, so the gear score 1496 01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:53.239 doesn't take that into account exactly. So which sucks. I'm gonna say, 1497 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:55.880 is that a lot of work to like drill down and like eyeball all that 1498 01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:59.920 stuff. Kind of Well, Also, I mean I haven't necessarily played enough 1499 01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:03.199 to where like I'm min maxing or trying to like really get the most out 1500 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:06.279 of every single item, right, because my overall gear scores to like one 1501 01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:12.079 fifty two and they recommend one sixty for the incursion. But there's been gear 1502 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.720 that I've gotten that's been like a higher gear score that has been worse than 1503 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.800 another weapon that I have. Like I got a long I got an LMG 1504 01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:25.880 uh that had a higher gear score than this sweet ak forty seven that because 1505 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.640 it had one more mod point on it, I could attach one more thing 1506 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:32.840 to it that gave it a higher DPS than than that higher gear scored LMG. 1507 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:35.880 So there's a lot of weird elements like that where it just feels like 1508 01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:42.000 the gear score stuff just feels like poorly implemented misleading. And yeah, definitely 1509 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:45.399 definitely definitely misleading, And a lot of it depends on what kind of build 1510 01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:47.760 you're doing. Like, I got gloves that are part of a gear set, 1511 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:51.880 but it's the skill gear set as opposed to the DPS or the like 1512 01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:58.359 tank gear sets, and I don't have any other skill stuff, so equipping 1513 01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:00.520 it raises my gear score because it's a it's a high end item. It's 1514 01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:02.960 it's all this other stuff, but it's the last thing I would want to 1515 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.159 equip for the rest of my built. Are they trying to like with those 1516 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:09.840 sets, are they trying to encourage people to specialize as Like yes, Like, 1517 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:12.800 oh, I'm trying to special respecting as a healer because this is like 1518 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.600 that set is all skill focused on. So if you have that whole set, 1519 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:19.560 then your skill points are off the chart and you get additional bonuses to 1520 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.840 your skill and all this other stuff. And they have different gear sets for 1521 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.960 you know, for people that want to have most of their points in firearms 1522 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.720 and do more damage and all that other stuff. My naturally, the next 1523 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:32.880 question is like, are there situations where those roles are actually required? But 1524 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.439 I guess you can't play the incursion yet. So I've tried a few times, 1525 01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:40.600 Oh can you actually I can go in and one for there you can 1526 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:45.279 go in one not recommended one sixties and it also I don't so it's it's 1527 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:47.199 tough, I am. And people are exploiting the shit out of it, 1528 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.359 and youb soft is out there saying, hey, because so people are exploiting 1529 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:55.920 it to get like full two sets of two of four's like out of that 1530 01:33:56.039 --> 01:33:58.920 thing, like by running it over and over again, and like you you 1531 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:00.319 quit at the right moment and join you know, it's like this shit you 1532 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.720 do. It's like a lot of exploits in that game. So if they're 1533 01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:05.159 out there saying that, they are looking for ways to punish people that are 1534 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:09.159 doing that, and I imagine that needs they'll strip the gear from people that 1535 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:13.079 that did it. But because it seems like people aren't supposed to be able 1536 01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:15.840 to have full sets of two a four gear yet, but that's what people 1537 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:19.039 are seemed to be grinding out of it. But yeah, it seems like 1538 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.399 a sort of thing where you know, there's there's kind of a way to 1539 01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:28.880 beat the APC. There's a way to beat this like fifteen wave confrontation as 1540 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.119 you try to blow up this APC. But if you're in there with random 1541 01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:33.880 people and no one's talking so far, I've gotten to do about wave three 1542 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:40.920 of fifteen uh and four once uh and then ever then eventually someone quits and 1543 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.600 then you're like, well fucked. How many players four? Okay, And 1544 01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:48.000 so it's basically just a survival mode. It's a mission that has it's a 1545 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.920 mission, yeah, I mean totally. It's a mission that has an like 1546 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:54.000 an open space with an APC in the middle of it. That's kind of 1547 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.840 a boss fight, but it's a boss fight that is fifteen waves of you 1548 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.640 surviving this boss fight. When I said, move around, like, are 1549 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.439 you going through a level? Or go through a level and then get there 1550 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.720 and I don't know what's passed there. I don't know if that's the end 1551 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:08.760 of it or if that's like a midpoint. I think that might be the 1552 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:11.000 end of it. I think you blow up the ABC and it's it's not 1553 01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:14.159 literally just a big arena. No, no, you you shoot the people 1554 01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:15.880 on your way to the arena, and then it seems like it's a big 1555 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:20.039 arena. Okay. Yeah, that's a little less ambitious than what it had 1556 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:23.840 been. Yeah, it's maybe not great, but it's at the same time, 1557 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:28.720 it is the thing to do to get that gear unless you're high rank 1558 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:30.720 in the Dark Zone and have a bunch of currency to spend. That way, 1559 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:33.720 you can get blueprints that are pretty well well geared that way too. 1560 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:38.199 Anyway, I don't know. I just I enjoy that game. So I've 1561 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.800 been going in the Dark Zone and doing stuff, and I've finally killed another 1562 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:45.079 player in there, a rogue. A guy shot me. I said, 1563 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:47.920 fuck that and gunned him down and then hit him with my gun and got 1564 01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:51.199 a trophy. So stuff, yes, and then I took his ship and 1565 01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:54.119 flew it out of there, and I said, that's what I think, 1566 01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:57.000 you man. Uh yeah, So I don't know that that stuff. I 1567 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.920 think it's fun. This the yeah, the the Incursion maybe isn't awesome, 1568 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:05.880 but I still do want to at least finish at once and get a sense 1569 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:12.119 of how it fits in with everything else and all that. But I don't 1570 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:15.840 know. So, yeah, I don't know. I've been I've I've spent 1571 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.039 a good chunk of the weekend playing that kind of just coming back to it 1572 01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:21.640 for an hour here hour there. I tried the Incursion a couple of times, 1573 01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:25.079 but you know, I was mainly running around the Dark Zone and running 1574 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:29.000 the daily missions for Phoenix credits, so I could buy another blueprint and get 1575 01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:32.640 better a better backpack. That's pretty telling though you spent the better part of 1576 01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:35.279 a weekend just kind of run it through the loop and stuff. It feels 1577 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:38.640 pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I like the way that game feels. 1578 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:42.880 It's it's it's interesting and it's fun. So that's cool. Do you have 1579 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.880 do you have like a group that you know? No? No, solo 1580 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:48.880 man, No. I mean it has matchmaking every at every h at every 1581 01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:53.079 mission. So when I'm going into the missions, I'm teaming up with random 1582 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.239 people and usually that works fine, accepting the incursion where it doesn't work at 1583 01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:59.279 all. Uh. And then in the dark Zone, I am running out 1584 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.720 alone. That's right. If they laid out any kind of roadmap for what's 1585 01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:05.800 coming after, yeah, they have their whole season pass laid out. There's 1586 01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:09.920 another incursion up by Times Square that shows on the map now as coming soon 1587 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.720 in a free update, so they've got one more of those planned. There's 1588 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:14.720 a New York stuff, right, yeah, all of it. But then 1589 01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.720 they've got like they've before the game even came out, they kind of detailed 1590 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.439 what their season past stuff was. I don't actually remember what it is but 1591 01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:23.640 right, but yeah, they have they have some stuff laid out there. 1592 01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:30.800 And then I also played Pire. Ah yeah, yeah, which is the 1593 01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:35.079 new game from Super Giant Games that is coming out next year. P y 1594 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:40.000 R E Yes, p y R E Pire. They're gonna be showing that 1595 01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:43.399 off at Packs East, which is this weekend. And I got a chance 1596 01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:46.800 to look at at that. It's third game. Yeah, the third Yeah, 1597 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:53.199 super Giant three game three. Yeah, it's it's cool. It's a 1598 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:57.119 it's different from their previous game, which was different from their previous game, 1599 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.079 but you still see that connective tissue of like there's a certain sense of writing, 1600 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.279 the certain style of writing, is a certain art style to it that 1601 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:08.279 like it reads as like, oh, this is the next game from Super 1602 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:13.600 Giant. There is a certain logan. The voice acting I can't really speak 1603 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:16.359 to too much. I don't know that I heard him in there. But 1604 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:20.880 some of the speech is not in a language that can be spoken. Uh, 1605 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:25.600 there's there's some kind of like the there is English that is spoken at 1606 01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:28.079 you. There's actual voice acting, but then there's some voice acting that is 1607 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.079 like a jibberish language. Well maybe it's not jibbish. I don't know. 1608 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:33.319 English. Maybe it's just Spanish. I don't know. I don't remember most 1609 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:35.880 of my Spanish. I said it was a similar art style. Is that 1610 01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:39.520 same kind of perspective that? No, no, no, no, this 1611 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:42.880 is a this is a pretty different type of game. It's it's it's a 1612 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:45.840 it's a role playing game. So there's it has that kind of in common 1613 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.359 with some of the past stuff where there's that kind of that stuff going on. 1614 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:55.239 But it's uh like kind of you have a set number of turns that 1615 01:38:55.319 --> 01:38:59.720 you take before you get to kind of the the action part of it, 1616 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.760 the combat part of it, if you will. So it's kind of so 1617 01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:08.920 give me the setting for all right, So you are you are thrown out 1618 01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:13.000 of civilization. You're cast out into the waists. More of a fantasy to 1619 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:17.800 the post apocalyptic god. It's a caravan happens upon you and three masked figures 1620 01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:20.720 get out mad Max type stuff. No, it's not like cars and it's 1621 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:25.079 it's like a caravan rolls up. It's driven by imps. Okay, like 1622 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.039 it's it's drawn, it's pulled by imps. Okay. More of a fantasy, 1623 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:30.920 yeah, kind of more of a fantasy thing, but not just like 1624 01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:35.479 it's not direct like, hey, here's a coalball day, here's you know. 1625 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:39.199 Sure, it seems like it's it's kind of going for its own take 1626 01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:42.000 on on this waste land. So you're kind of cast out of whatever the 1627 01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:45.079 civilization is, into the waists, left there to die. You get found 1628 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:47.640 by this caravan. They pull you in and they ask you, hey, 1629 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:51.840 do you know how to read? Because people don't know how to read. 1630 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:56.960 Generally speaking, there are not many readers in this in this universe. That's 1631 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:00.439 an important skill to have, and you can. So you then learn a 1632 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:03.319 way out of the waste land, and that is to perform the rights. 1633 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:10.159 And so the game becomes you on this caravan full of characters going from one 1634 01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:12.800 place to the next to kind of perform the rights. And the rights, 1635 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:17.079 as it turned out, is a competitive three on three. Uh uh, 1636 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:20.920 it's kind of a sport. There's kind of a sport thing going on in 1637 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:25.720 a floating sphere of water. Yeah no, no, no, no, 1638 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:29.640 no, are you a car No? You are you? So you are? 1639 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.119 You are the reader? You you are are kind of pulled back from 1640 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:35.239 this thing, but also you're kind of controlling the city. The reads then 1641 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:40.520 the rights. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're reading the rights and then 1642 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:43.079 you take care of businesses. So yeah, it's so you you kind of 1643 01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:45.760 along the way. You can choose how to spend your time, whether you're 1644 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:48.840 like invest like looking for more gear, or talking to the characters that will 1645 01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:53.600 be on this team when you get to the combat thing, so you might 1646 01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.520 make them their stats better for the next kind of fight, the next the 1647 01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:00.079 next encounter. And then when you get there, it is a sport like 1648 01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:02.560 thing where there is there is a ball in the center, a sphere. 1649 01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:05.760 It's all storyline, it's you know, it's a sphere, it's the Pire, 1650 01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:09.079 it's all this other stuff, but you know it's a ball. There 1651 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.239 are goals on either side that are the Pire the pirates ten points, and 1652 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.960 you need to get you need to jump into the Pire, and you have 1653 01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:18.159 three characters. You can switch between them by either passing the ball or kind 1654 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:21.960 of passing control from one to the next. And then from there you have 1655 01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:26.560 kind of a an aura that you can blast off of your character that will 1656 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:31.239 basically eliminate one of the other players for a few seconds, which will then 1657 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:35.479 cause them to give up the ball, give up the orb its call steal 1658 01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:39.279 it and move forward. It's all like direct control, actual direct control real 1659 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:43.279 times. Yeah, it's all yeah, and you're you're controlling one character at 1660 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.159 a time, So the other two kind of stand there while you're doing this 1661 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:47.600 other stuff. Do they just take complete Is it like tag mode? And 1662 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:50.720 they stay completely still. They're not controlled by AI or anything like that. 1663 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:55.359 They're they're not moving, so you're kind of moving towards their pire, and 1664 01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:58.800 you can so if you get close to another character, they have an aura 1665 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.079 around them. If you step in their aura, you die, which then 1666 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:04.079 causes you to respond back at your goal. If you're kidding the ball, 1667 01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:09.920 it's gone. All that sort of stuff. You approach a teammate inside an 1668 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.520 enemy, okay, you can fire your aura off at them, which was 1669 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:15.199 the attack I talked about. And you can also jump, so you can 1670 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:18.199 jump over their aura. So if they're between you and the goal, the 1671 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.319 jump is pretty long, so if you time it just right, you can 1672 01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:25.960 jump over their aura, land on the pire, and then depending on which 1673 01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:28.640 character you are, you do a different level of damage to their pire. 1674 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:30.560 It has like ten points if you get the big slow character and there it 1675 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:32.840 does three points of damage if you get the small fast one. In there 1676 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:38.199 it does one, the medium does two, and so it's it's kind of 1677 01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:41.560 on you to get to take out their pire before they take out yours. 1678 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.720 Whenever you score, your character is eliminated for a while, So there's kind 1679 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:47.640 of a three on two situation for a chunk of time play. Yeah, 1680 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:51.800 and then that a character will eventually respond whenever you get taken out, you 1681 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:56.199 know, that character will vanish from play and respond after after a little while 1682 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.039 there. And that's that's some of the stuff that like, oh they come 1683 01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:01.319 back faster because you went this route on your way to the next battle. 1684 01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:04.560 You talk to them and gave them hope or you gave them you know that 1685 01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:10.239 sort of thing. It's really interesting is it presented at like in World as 1686 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:13.319 a sport, Like is this in a colosseum with the crowd? These are 1687 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:15.640 these are the rights from I mean they actually have kind of group names, 1688 01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:17.720 team names and stuff like that. But then no, there's no crowd, 1689 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:20.640 there's no scoreboard. That's sort of the time. Maybe it eventually gets there. 1690 01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:24.479 But like in this demo, which was just kind of one of those 1691 01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:30.079 two of like a tutorial and then and then one proper uh round, No, 1692 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:32.960 it's like you're going to a place, like you look up at the 1693 01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:36.640 stars and it tells you where to go, and then you set off on 1694 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:40.359 this course and you need to get there in three days because that's when the 1695 01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:43.119 rights will commence, and so you have to you have to get there in 1696 01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:46.560 time. Uh and and partake and it's so it is. It is kind 1697 01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:50.119 of viewed as the way out of the wasteland. So there are plenty of 1698 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:54.199 people that are trying to get out of the wasteland and they have formed their 1699 01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:57.199 their crew as well. How do you getting out of the wasteland? Like 1700 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:00.840 do you win money in this? And knows you perform the rights successfully? 1701 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:02.760 I mean, I don't know, that's the end of the game. I 1702 01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:08.239 imagine, I don't know. Super interesting. I'm having trouble picturing this, 1703 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.920 like I'm really gonna yeah. Yeah, they will have put out some screenshots 1704 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.800 and I assume a trailer by by the time this podcast can be heard that 1705 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:19.880 will probably make it all make complete sense. But yeah, it sounds super 1706 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.119 intrigued, and they're kind of they're pitching it as a single player thing. 1707 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.439 I think I think it would work on a mother player sense really well. 1708 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:27.680 I think it would if they could get the online working, I think that 1709 01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.800 would be really cool. But you know, there is a big story. 1710 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:32.560 It'd be one on. I think it would be one on because you control 1711 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:36.479 three on three would be a very different thing. Can imagine that would be 1712 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:41.199 like a separate mode, right, not like tied into the story, because 1713 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:45.119 it sounds like this is a narrative driven RPG, right, yeah, so 1714 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:47.600 I'm guessing it wouldn't be like this like street Fighter Arcade request mode thing where 1715 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:49.720 it's like, oh, I'm playing against a real guy instead of an AI. 1716 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.039 Right, Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I could 1717 01:44:53.039 --> 01:44:55.640 be a separate like versus mode from the main menu, I'm assuming right, 1718 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.640 if they did, I think that's something that they could integrate into the story 1719 01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:00.760 if they chose, and you know, to spending on how they did it, 1720 01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:03.359 you know, it's maybe not a fight request vote or something like that. 1721 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:09.079 Any multiplayer. I'm not really sure what they're what they're really talking about 1722 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:12.319 with that stuff. So but it seemed like they were very much focusing on 1723 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:15.800 it as a single player thing, which I take to mean they're not talking 1724 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:19.399 about the multiplayer just yet. But who knows. It's a good thing to 1725 01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:23.199 not do when you're early on, right, Yeah, the game is not 1726 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:26.800 out until twenty seventeen, so talk about the multiplayer later. Yeah, but 1727 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:30.000 I think that like it. It's it's engaging enough to where I think it 1728 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:34.600 would work in a competitive setting. Uh So, so yeah, it's like 1729 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:39.880 a weird and unexpected direction for them. Yeah. Yeah, but but I 1730 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:42.760 also I probably I guess I would have said that about Transistor, like the 1731 01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:45.840 way the way the gameplay was. Yeah, you know, like like you 1732 01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:47.199 could say a lot of things about the wrapping around it. Again, I 1733 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:48.880 think it's one of those things you look at it and go like, yeah, 1734 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:54.279 no, this is a natural progression for Super Giant in terms of kind 1735 01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:57.079 of the winding was setting and all that stuff. But obviously like the but 1736 01:45:57.159 --> 01:46:00.039 it certainly was not just like a refined Bastion genre of game is totally different. 1737 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:03.119 So this this, I think you could look at as that again of 1738 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:05.199 like there are there are elements of it you look at and go, this 1739 01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:09.800 is clearly a game from Super Giant. This sounds like a game from Super 1740 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:13.239 Giant. It's kind of like like the difference between steam World Heist and Steam 1741 01:46:13.239 --> 01:46:15.279 World steam World Day, where it plays totally different, but like looking at 1742 01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:16.960 it, like, yeah, this is a Steam World game. Yeah, 1743 01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:20.479 I mean not. That's not saying that they're set in the same universe or 1744 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:24.479 anything like that, but I think that they've they've established a tone. You 1745 01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:26.560 could tell by looking at screen chats and a trailer like, oh, this 1746 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:29.680 sounds like it's super Jet when you yeah, the way the writing, there's 1747 01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:33.760 there's a weight to it that I think made those previous games stand out, 1748 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:38.359 you know, I think that there's that in there too. You actually have 1749 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.000 kind of like it's almost like an adventure game. So I went into this 1750 01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:45.520 not knowing what it was. So for like the first five minutes of like 1751 01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:50.960 moving a cursor around a menu and hitting advance on text and kind of looking 1752 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:54.359 around this caravan and stuff, I was like, are they making a point 1753 01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:59.039 and click adventure game? And then it just unfolded into this larger kind of 1754 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:00.479 you know, the to the right, So I'm like, oh, fucking 1755 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.920 crazy, it's like a sports There's a really interesting thing they do with context 1756 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:09.439 sensitive text, where you know, like Nintendo games will light up text and 1757 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.680 all the other stuff. With this, if you when you take the cursor 1758 01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:15.000 and put it over that text, it actually pops up and tells you, 1759 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:18.720 like if it's character's name, it'll tell you who that character is in relation 1760 01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:21.439 to you and the world and stuff, like a biotype thing. Yeah, 1761 01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:24.399 okay, well it's like a sentence or two. You know, it's it's 1762 01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:28.319 not like some some huge thing. But it like it was neat. It 1763 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:30.520 was one of the things where like that's actually like a cool move for like 1764 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.119 an adventure game, like keep the context coming at you. And then it 1765 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:35.960 totally wasn't even an adventure and I was like, man, this is nuts. 1766 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:40.600 Yeah, so they're gonna be demo me out of packs, letting people 1767 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:44.800 come up and play it. It's uh, it's fascinating. I'm very eager 1768 01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:46.039 to see this. Yeah, see what it is and how it works. 1769 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:51.239 Yeah you could almost. Yeah, I don't know. Like the Sports thing 1770 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:55.960 is weird because it's like, especially in like a single player sports in the 1771 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.039 sense of it it is purely a fantasy game. It's it's not yeah, 1772 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:03.479 it's not like fucking Reggie Jackson or Doda or you know, the two extremes 1773 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:10.039 of Sports, Doda Reggie Jackson. But you know, there's a storyline and 1774 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:13.000 a universe created around it. But when you see it, you're like, 1775 01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:16.000 Okay, this is actually kind of is playing out like there's a goal or 1776 01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:21.920 it fits. Yeah, okay, yeah it's neat cool. Yeah, I 1777 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:27.720 will follow him anywhere after Bastion. So I'm I'm super excited to see that. 1778 01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.079 I was ready to love Transistor. Yeah, I really liked it, 1779 01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:33.079 but I played it at packs before it came out, and like, I 1780 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:36.359 loved it. I wrote this glowing preview of it. I love the combat 1781 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:40.279 system and everything, and I think that killed. The thing that killed it 1782 01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:44.920 for me is I remember the upgrade system being really confusing, like as you 1783 01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:47.479 got those like different like chips or why, it was just a different things. 1784 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:51.279 Yeah, it's so flexible though. There were so many different ways to 1785 01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:55.560 modify the skills with other skills. Yeah, I thought that was amazing. 1786 01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.319 Like I remember playing that game and granted, like we know those guys, 1787 01:48:58.399 --> 01:49:00.079 but I remember playing that game and going like this very much feels like a 1788 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.319 game that people who have made RTSs would make, totally like it was a 1789 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:11.159 very given word with right, Yeah yeah, with having that many options though 1790 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:15.359 it was it was. Yeah, it was overwhelming, but then you sometimes 1791 01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:18.399 find like the best build and you kind of stick with that, did you 1792 01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:20.840 guys get that impression on? Well? Kind of? But then and I 1793 01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:25.039 also experiment too much. Well, so I did experiment as much as I 1794 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:27.159 could, because they actually, if you remember, they tied a bunch of 1795 01:49:27.239 --> 01:49:30.119 the storytelling to upgrading or using the different abilities. Sure like you've got a 1796 01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:32.640 bunch of more flavor texts the more of the abilities you used. So I 1797 01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.159 constantly was switching around just to like try to learn more of the story. 1798 01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:40.840 Couldn't nodes get like burnt out or overloaded or something, and then they were 1799 01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:45.000 unavailable for a set period of time or something like I'd love to go back 1800 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:46.279 and give that another show because I've got a few hours. And I was 1801 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:48.159 just like, you didn't you didn't finish it. No, I was like, 1802 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.840 this is just a lot. I just I stopped. I love I 1803 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:56.039 think that. Yeah, there were things about that upgrade system like you're you're 1804 01:49:56.119 --> 01:50:00.279 both right, like it's a super crazy cool system but also can be really 1805 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:04.520 overwhelming. Yeah sure, yeah yeah, and it's like they try to go 1806 01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:06.279 out of your way. I mean, I think the start to that game 1807 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:11.640 ends up being a little slower than maybe I would normally like because it has 1808 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:14.720 to kind of yay, so much on you. I think that's where it 1809 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:17.000 lost me. Yeah, yeah, totally, I didn't. I did not 1810 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.199 finish that game either. Yeah, I think I played. I started playing 1811 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.439 it. I want to say. There was other stuff coming out around that 1812 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:26.600 time that was just like, oh, I get back to Transistor and then 1813 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:29.960 just kind of never did. Yeah. Well, luckily you can play it 1814 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:32.079 on like eighteen different platforms now. Yeah, I can play it in your 1815 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:36.439 browser right now if you want it to. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. 1816 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:40.920 Yeah, I'll be curious to see what people think. Uh, coming 1817 01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:44.279 out of packs excellent, it's neat. I hope there's a trailer that I 1818 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:45.479 can go watch soon. Yeah. Yeah, I need to see it in 1819 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.439 action. Yeah. Yeah, and that's I don't know. I haven't really 1820 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:53.840 been playing too much else, Like I know, I'm still fiddling around with 1821 01:50:53.880 --> 01:51:01.760 track Mania Turbo and I tried playing a little bit Stevens Sausage would for whatnot. 1822 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.479 Did you fall off the PS four version in favor of track Mania? 1823 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:08.640 Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's just because I I've already got 1824 01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:12.199 most of my records and stuff on the four version, so it's kind of 1825 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:17.199 and and also the PC version I could be playing a different better track Mania 1826 01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:20.399 game Better Slash Worse. I don't know. That's it's a toss up. 1827 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:25.800 But I could be playing Stadium there, uh and and playing on crazier tracks 1828 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:30.640 and all the music, and yeah, that traditional track Mania experience that that 1829 01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:32.760 I crave. So I have that installed too. So sometimes I go back 1830 01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:36.159 and forth, Like sometimes I'll play some Turbo and go it's just not doing 1831 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:39.359 it for me the way I need it, and then have to go play 1832 01:51:39.399 --> 01:51:44.800 Stadium for a while and let's shake up your kinks sometimes exactly keep it fresh, 1833 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:47.840 Yeah for sure. Yeah, I got Otherwise you're like this just this 1834 01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.119 is exactly the same as it always. It's just not doing it form. 1835 01:51:51.079 --> 01:51:56.680 I bought Basses Loaded for the PlayStation four. Does it still have that weird 1836 01:51:56.760 --> 01:51:59.920 perspective? Yeah? Yeah, but it's sixteen by nine. It's like an 1837 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:04.399 ANYS game running at native sixteen nine. It looks fucking crazy. It's fucking 1838 01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:09.199 crazy. I always felt wrong pitching or like it didn't feel good for pitching 1839 01:52:09.399 --> 01:52:13.199 or hitting on in an Yeah. I was never a big baseload of fan 1840 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:15.880 either. But I want to RBI baseball or Griffy Juniors thing where pitcher up 1841 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:20.039 top the way to do it. Who was a Jellico Yeah, yeah, 1842 01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:24.840 so there's there's like a team that has like the city connection car. There's 1843 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:27.800 like a Jellico team in this game. In this version of the game was 1844 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:30.920 SNK Baseball Stars. Yeah, I love Baseball staff which one the first one 1845 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:35.880 specifically, Yeah, that's played the ship out of the game. That's Namco 1846 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:40.600 technically, okay, Yeah, with those weird black cartridges. There were a 1847 01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:43.560 lot of baseball games on the NS. Yeah, they were good. Baseball 1848 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:48.239 was was great. Baseball was America's sport for a good long time. And 1849 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:56.359 then Barry Bonds ruined it. Thanks Bonds us, Mark McGuire maybe too, 1850 01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:59.159 and I can Saco got in and got out and then like all his stuff 1851 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:01.079 came to light later, like the bombs money off it. Yeah, the 1852 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:04.239 Bonds stuff was way more in the moment. I mean maybe the Bonds it's 1853 01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:09.079 sewed from living here. Yeah. But like when the Bond stuff happened and 1854 01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:11.159 he was still playing the game, You're like, man, fuck this, 1855 01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:14.600 fuck him still all this he was still playing and like breaking the record. 1856 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:16.479 The thing it was the McGuire and Sosa thing. It's like we were all 1857 01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:18.479 just like Oh, this is great. And then it was like oh they 1858 01:53:18.520 --> 01:53:21.600 were that was that was the death of the dream right there, like he 1859 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:24.479 was setting the record, and then it was like, oh, that record 1860 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:28.920 is not legitimate at all. Fuck that yeah, fuck baseball. It turns 1861 01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:31.800 out, like said the Bonds thing, that would have been like twenty eleven, 1862 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:36.800 twenty twelve. Really no, no that Yeah, the all time to 1863 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:41.239 Hank Aaron record. Yeah, like way before that wasn't it. I feel 1864 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:43.520 like I was in Minnesota, so it wouldn't have been any earlier than oh 1865 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:46.039 nine, I don't think. Man, the McGuire Soca stuff, that stuff 1866 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:50.720 just seems like ancient chosen. Yeah, m was Pete rose up to these 1867 01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:54.840 days getting Tombstone by Kane. Yeah, he's somewhere just taking it from Kane 1868 01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:59.399 and then having like great political view. Boys, Oh that sounds like a 1869 01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:01.680 barrel of monkey's. I'm gonna have to lift that up later. Yeah, 1870 01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:05.239 need need some lights, right and celebrity Wait? Wait? Really, yes, 1871 01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:10.760 he's in that Hall of Fame. Yes they call season one. Yeah, 1872 01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:15.000 yeah, they put him in that one right right, yep. They 1873 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:18.760 call Kane the Big Red Machine like they called the Reds the Big Red Machine. 1874 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:21.039 Wait Is that the joke? Yes, that is why that that. 1875 01:54:21.399 --> 01:54:25.640 I thought it was just hilarious because it was random, like why is fucking 1876 01:54:26.279 --> 01:54:30.119 r Kane? Pete Rose saying no, we're the Big Red Machine? Who 1877 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:33.720 the fuck are you? And then Kane they never said that a person, 1878 01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:39.840 because he was in was wrestling being subtle all those years. It really got 1879 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:42.720 It went right over my head. Man. I just thought it was funny, 1880 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:44.800 like, oh, Pete Rose in a chicken suit trying to get the 1881 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.800 better of Kane. I'm gonna regret asking this, but why is Pete Rose 1882 01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:53.439 involved with wrestling? Because fourteen? Because they because they referred to Kane as 1883 01:54:53.439 --> 01:54:57.279 the Big Red Machine, and because he played for the Reds and they referred 1884 01:54:57.279 --> 01:55:00.840 to themselves as the Big Red Machine. And so I guess I guess what 1885 01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:03.479 I was so because it was a good celebrity thing to put him in their 1886 01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:06.399 Hall of fame as a publicity thing, to say, oh, you won't 1887 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:10.279 let him in your hall of fame, we'll put our movies. What I 1888 01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:13.840 should have said was like did he wrestle? Like did he just got he 1889 01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:15.680 got beat up? He was dress up like a like a chicken and try 1890 01:55:15.720 --> 01:55:20.239 to like sneak up on Kane and attack him or whatever. But he had 1891 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:24.960 an undertaker, and Paul BarreR has an undertakeer Snumbers nineteen ninety nine. Stop 1892 01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:29.159 no, okay, good lord man. It was like a Thanksgiving tradition, 1893 01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:33.960 wasn't that wrest of Anything? Fourteen and either twenty or seventeen x seven? 1894 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:38.560 Sorry? Yeah, I just remember him coming out multiple times. Yeah, 1895 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:41.760 and it wasn't great the first time, and you're like, man, why 1896 01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:45.560 Pete Rose just sneezed the money? Did he ever make it into a video 1897 01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:48.079 game before his star fell? He must have, I can't remember. I 1898 01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:51.319 don't know. He was definitely never like the cover guy or anything. No, 1899 01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:56.319 No, it wasn't his time a bit before, like maybe a thing 1900 01:55:56.399 --> 01:55:59.840 maybe probably just remembering, I was thinking he was like lab He isn't like 1901 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:02.119 micro League Baseball or something like that. I thought all that shit went down 1902 01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:05.560 in like the late eighties. No, I want to say that was earlier. 1903 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:10.800 They that was earlier. I think I want to say early eighties. 1904 01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:15.039 Okay, yeah, maybe baseball history. Maybe Pete Rose Pennant Fever all right 1905 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:21.000 came out and it appears to be eighty eight for the twenty six hundred okay, 1906 01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:26.079 and the seventies, Yeah, twenty six hundred games were being released, 1907 01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:28.840 dude. Yeah, like Double Dragon came out way late, like the twenty 1908 01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:31.319 Dragon for twenty one. Oh yeah, it's like a blue block and a 1909 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:35.079 red block and they, oh, we should play that. That sounds bad. 1910 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:40.600 It's something else, man. It makes the NES version look fucking incredible, 1911 01:56:40.720 --> 01:56:44.520 like an abstract interpretive version of Double Dragon. You can't actually see who 1912 01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:46.800 anybody is. What does a bobo look like? That's just a big, 1913 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:53.439 bigger, bigger. Yeah, it's a peach colored Yeah, the blob. 1914 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:56.479 I don't think the twenty six hundred did peach, but it wasn't that, 1915 01:56:56.800 --> 01:57:01.520 it wasn't in the limited color palet. Man. I found myself on Saturday 1916 01:57:01.600 --> 01:57:08.239 morning sitting on my couch and this is going no watching on my television. 1917 01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:12.880 Oh don't Yeah, a Clash Royal Tournament. What they had a hell of 1918 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:15.439 a set and if did you watch? I saw something? Oh yes, 1919 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:20.239 that makes me so happy. Really good production of really good producround. You 1920 01:57:20.319 --> 01:57:23.840 know, they're making millions of dollars a day their production call. They ought 1921 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:25.960 to be pretty good. I got something for me. Wait a second, 1922 01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:29.920 what kind of television. Well, this was on Twitch. Okay, it's 1923 01:57:29.960 --> 01:57:32.039 not on actual television. It was on l end. She was hosting the 1924 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:36.600 tournaments and she's a huge fan. Yeah but no, I just streamed it 1925 01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:42.800 on the Xbox. But was that in uh Finland? Did they say? 1926 01:57:42.840 --> 01:57:44.840 Oh, I assume it was. I didn't watch. I didn't. I 1927 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:45.640 didn't see the beginning of it. I don't know where they were holding it. 1928 01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:48.800 But it didn't look like a huge venue like every time they would pay 1929 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:53.319 into the crowd, like it seemed like half the audience were the guys who 1930 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:56.039 had gotten eliminated from the tournament. Like it was not a giant well the 1931 01:57:56.239 --> 01:57:58.840 stadium or anything. The actual set up, the stage setup was great, 1932 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:00.720 like the two screens into two like thrones or whatever. Yeah, they had 1933 01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:04.680 on the giant screen zoomed in on these players and they're just looking at their 1934 01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:09.520 phones. They had to be fair, they I know, but yeah, 1935 01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:11.640 they had. They had. Wasn't hell Sinki? Was it? Okay? 1936 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:14.840 They had they had. The players were sitting on these like giant like leather 1937 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.000 thrown look an easy chair cut type things like they need those little tiny kids. 1938 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:20.920 When do you see the big crown they gave them too. It's just 1939 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:25.560 the crown, giant plastic crown. Yeah, they gave they gave out fucking 1940 01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:29.039 signs of the like the king emots to the crowd, like the crying. 1941 01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:32.640 Like there are people like holding up signs of the crying, the lapping ones. 1942 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.319 The lapping ones worst. Yeah, because at the end when you lose, 1943 01:58:35.479 --> 01:58:38.880 somebody just hit the lapping one like twenty times in a row, and 1944 01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:41.479 it just makes me want to throw my phone. Yeah, stop sucking so 1945 01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:43.199 bad, you should throw your phone. I don't see that one. You 1946 01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:45.640 know. What I've started running into is, you know there are people a 1947 01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:47.079 little taunt you as they think they are winning. Yeah, like they'll they'll 1948 01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:51.199 take a tower, or they'll push a little and the game and they'll laugh 1949 01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:54.359 at you or whatever. Yeah, And I've been running into this. But 1950 01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:57.399 people, people that do that and then end up losing, will always throw 1951 01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:00.760 out like a good game or a well played at the trying to make good. 1952 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:01.479 It's like, oh, well I lost, you dude, a good 1953 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:04.840 game, But no, I'm just fucking hammer on the crime game when that 1954 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:10.239 happens. Fucking dicks. There are some awful people playing Clash Royal. Holy 1955 01:59:10.359 --> 01:59:14.239 shit, have you spent any money on it. Nope, I know I 1956 01:59:14.359 --> 01:59:16.000 keep doing it because of the way they act during matches like that. You 1957 01:59:16.119 --> 01:59:18.039 keep doing it, you keep spending money on it. Is that what she's 1958 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:19.560 said? Is that? What you just said? How much have you put 1959 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:24.840 into it? I know you've bought at least something that was present you. 1960 01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:27.960 Yeah, I know you gotta roll with your homies. You told me the 1961 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.079 other day of the gem. I believe, I believe. I believe you 1962 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:36.159 said that. It quote feels. There have been a couple of times I 1963 01:59:36.479 --> 01:59:40.239 had some drinks at a comedy show on Saturday and I was like, you 1964 01:59:40.319 --> 01:59:43.359 know what, I'll be happy I did this in the morning and just buy 1965 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:45.319 some gems And must have been a tell of a comedy show if you're playing 1966 01:59:45.319 --> 01:59:48.039 Clash Royal and I had the thing like on the uber bag or whatever. 1967 01:59:49.399 --> 01:59:54.560 Yeah, never turns out to be true. What saying I'm going to be 1968 01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:58.439 happy about this in the mond I actually I have been happy about it because 1969 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:00.520 he blacked out. I can sing it, and then he woke up in 1970 02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:02.359 the more he's like, wow, what's what's your number? What's your number? 1971 02:00:02.479 --> 02:00:05.880 It's probably it's it's not that crazy. It's probably fifty or sixty. 1972 02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:10.840 Okay, that's not crazy, all right, Okay, I've heard tales of 1973 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:14.960 people spending much more unclash related games, so I'm keeping it low. So 1974 02:00:15.159 --> 02:00:18.039 like they they actually just put out like a I could pull it up right 1975 02:00:18.039 --> 02:00:21.840 now, like passion notes in the app, they are tweaking the progression stuff 1976 02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:26.760 like chests are going to give more cards. I think, really you have 1977 02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:30.199 to spend more gold in order to upgrade new stuff. It was no, 1978 02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:33.199 it sounded like jams, little friendly stuff. Now I'm watching the app, 1979 02:00:34.359 --> 02:00:39.000 but here's a shitload more cards. Great, just stop. Actually, what 1980 02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:41.479 it is is the Crown Chest, which is the thing you can earn once 1981 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:44.399 a day by playing, is going to give way more rewards than it was. 1982 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:46.640 Okay, so you're actually just straight up going to progress faster by playing 1983 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:50.039 that. But you only really really progressive if you pay for those upgrades, 1984 02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:54.720 and that cost gold. That's I just spent two thousand upgrade my can into 1985 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:56.920 level eight. Well, but you get a bunch of gold out of chests 1986 02:00:57.039 --> 02:00:59.720 like that, you know, I've never really a bunch of gold like all 1987 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:01.640 this that I've got an upgrade now is like a thousand each. I want. 1988 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:04.039 I want to point out the three fifths of this room now is way 1989 02:01:04.119 --> 02:01:09.680 into Clash Royale. I'm not progress Wait, yeah, I do play it. 1990 02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:13.439 I'm on my way out of that fucking game though. It's nasty. 1991 02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.920 So yeah, get out, Jason. If you know im, you can't. 1992 02:01:15.960 --> 02:01:18.880 I'm done. If you wanted any indication that this game is here and 1993 02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:21.960 is a thing, they had a tournament and then they also put out a 1994 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:25.920 thing today that they are banning a bunch of people for using bots. Yeah, 1995 02:01:26.000 --> 02:01:29.960 like third party cells bots. No that that went out on Clash of 1996 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:31.199 Clans and Clash Royal. Do you have any idea of what they do? 1997 02:01:31.359 --> 02:01:33.640 Like, I don't even have no idea, how idea? How are their 1998 02:01:33.680 --> 02:01:40.600 Android versions of Yeah, they're so. The maker of cheat Engine actually recently 1999 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:45.319 released cheat Engine for Android. Oh wow. Oh so it could be just 2000 02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:49.840 people like tweaking their units to make them so. But but that's not the 2001 02:01:49.920 --> 02:01:55.239 first case of people like modifying a game on on Android or or even on 2002 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:57.800 iOS. You know when you jail break your phone. No, bets are 2003 02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:00.479 off right. It's weird because they handle seemingly all of this game server side, 2004 02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:03.840 right like you if you you can close the app and reopen it immediately 2005 02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:06.079 and it will put you right back in your match. Like they're keeping track 2006 02:02:06.079 --> 02:02:10.560 of all that stuff on the end. Yeah, but they may not have 2007 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:13.560 done anti cheat. They may have tried to offload some stuff to the client 2008 02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:16.520 that they shouldn't, or you know, something like that, other stuff like 2009 02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:24.239 blue stacks, like an Android emulator or something like that, and that's rough. 2010 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:27.960 Yeah, that's no good. Yeah yeah that game. No, it's 2011 02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:29.880 a good game. It's real good. For a little while, for a 2012 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:32.039 little while, I thought about at one point, uh, jail breaking an 2013 02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:35.479 iOS device, uh, specifically to try to cheat at games and just to 2014 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:38.439 see what it was like just I was just you know, I got a 2015 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:42.600 curiosity like or is this stuff well protected? Or this was a long time 2016 02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.079 ago. This was like when Mafia Wars was the big thing. Oh yeah, 2017 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:47.720 Uh, I was like, I should my phone's jail broken. I 2018 02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:50.600 bet I could find where the money is kept and just give me more of 2019 02:02:50.680 --> 02:02:58.520 it. Man, Mafia Wars history, yep, But that's that's straight up, 2020 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:01.039 like people play games on phone owns territory. That was like that was 2021 02:03:01.079 --> 02:03:04.399 so time and a lot of Facebook that that was like that was like the 2022 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:09.600 very first game that I ever remember anybody playing on a phone and talking about 2023 02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:12.760 snake. Wow. Man, well you know we were talking about plants, 2024 02:03:12.760 --> 02:03:15.119 snake. I guess this was like post post iPhone. Sure, yeah, 2025 02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:19.560 it's h A tournament was fun. They were basically projecting the level onto the 2026 02:03:19.600 --> 02:03:21.960 stage. Did you see that stuff? Like when they were on the builders 2027 02:03:23.079 --> 02:03:26.319 level, the gears were turning on the stage and later they're like rivers of 2028 02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:30.520 lava flowing between the chairs. And it was I like it it looked really 2029 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:33.680 nice really to watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like because I totally 2030 02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:38.760 picked up viable strategies from Wow, it was like, you know, it's 2031 02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:42.239 a competitive game that it's actually kind of easy to follow. It's you're right, 2032 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:45.439 it is. And they had they had their straight up esports shout casters 2033 02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:48.840 like screaming a mile a minute at what was going on. But they've got 2034 02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:54.520 they've they've come up with like like rigid tournament rules now for like like here's 2035 02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:57.119 what a tournament in this game is, you know, like all time they 2036 02:03:57.279 --> 02:03:59.600 camp level. Yeah, like because you know, the joke is like, 2037 02:03:59.680 --> 02:04:01.760 oh, like, oh, was the guy who spent fifteen thousand dollars going 2038 02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:05.199 to win the tournament on matically but yeah, you're not bringing uh, micro 2039 02:04:05.319 --> 02:04:10.960 transactions into the tournament. So is every is it just like a maximum level 2040 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:13.159 for fort I would have to pull it up. But they published, they 2041 02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:15.960 published what tournament rules are, Like, okay, I think the day of 2042 02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:17.039 the tournament, actually it was like because it's it's like, you know, 2043 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:21.479 everybody's towers are X level, Like everybody's cards are capped at certain levels or 2044 02:04:21.520 --> 02:04:24.840 they're all you know, it's it's a level playing fields the point like and 2045 02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:26.840 at that point, it's just like a pure strategy game, you know, 2046 02:04:27.039 --> 02:04:30.119 like actually a good strategy game. Do you ever get that balloon? Yeah? 2047 02:04:30.239 --> 02:04:34.800 I accidentally bought the balloon without meeting to balloon and many and hord I 2048 02:04:34.840 --> 02:04:39.000 thought you accidentally buy it. I was finger was like hovering over the button 2049 02:04:39.039 --> 02:04:41.560 and I was thinking about it, and then I accidentally is like oh okay, 2050 02:04:41.680 --> 02:04:43.720 how much gold was that? Now I have that's probably two thousand. 2051 02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:46.960 How do you get two thousand golds? Just just like normally I always have 2052 02:04:47.119 --> 02:04:49.920 like two thousand plus gold? Like oh shit, no, no, no, 2053 02:04:49.960 --> 02:04:55.960 I if that's not a it's just like you get gold from opening chests, 2054 02:04:56.079 --> 02:04:58.960 like I just gold. I get like forty goals from gold, just 2055 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:01.680 build up the silver once chests or anything. Every once in a while. 2056 02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:06.279 I come in like like if you if you get your daily crown chest and 2057 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:11.319 free chests and you always have chests unlocking, like I just have gold constantly. 2058 02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:15.560 I don't know you're buying stuff. I think you're buying stuff. I'm 2059 02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:17.119 gonna open this free chest. I do wonder how you got the three gold? 2060 02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:21.000 Well? Do you upgrade everything? How much I have grade everything to 2061 02:05:21.039 --> 02:05:25.960 get those blue things? Are you guys upgrading? Literally everything is upgrade I 2062 02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:30.039 have or I have probably holding up his phone as if to show like everything 2063 02:05:30.119 --> 02:05:32.520 is upgraded. Look at my phone. There's no green numbers cards, No, 2064 02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:35.520 dude, I have, hang on, I have. I have currently 2065 02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:39.520 have nine cards that could be upgraded that I haven't upgraded. That's why I 2066 02:05:39.560 --> 02:05:42.119 have because okay, wept your overall level. That's why I have so much 2067 02:05:42.119 --> 02:05:44.960 gold, because I save it for the cards. I actually want to upgrade. 2068 02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:47.239 But I like to change up my deck everything often, and really to 2069 02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:51.159 remain competitive, you've got to keep these up upgraded, I think. And 2070 02:05:51.239 --> 02:05:55.000 yeah, I've got like sixteen hundred gold. I've got my normal chests that 2071 02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:57.399 I open I've got the grown chest that I open as well, and then 2072 02:05:57.439 --> 02:06:00.279 I'm always unlocking, well not always, but I also have sixteen hundred gold 2073 02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:03.760 as of right now. So that's that's about right. That's in line. 2074 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:11.960 But I've got like one thing that I can enough. I fucked this. 2075 02:06:12.119 --> 02:06:15.800 It's a lot of this game. And then when i go go up to 2076 02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:18.039 the next arena, I've got a whole new set of cards and I've got 2077 02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:24.640 to collect upgrade and you get to collect you are you are privileged to collected 2078 02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:27.800 upgrade? So yeah, I just spent all that time upgrading my Arena two 2079 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.079 stuff. Now when I hit Arena three, I gotta start that whole treadmill 2080 02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:34.840 all over again. Fun to play with. So I'm putting money into it, 2081 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:38.920 and I'm upgrading my current stuff that go up to the next level. 2082 02:06:39.800 --> 02:06:42.960 No, no, wait until you get the Ice Wizards. I'm not don't 2083 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.119 have that yet. Oh it's so good, legendary, right, So it 2084 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:48.680 is, isn't it? Yes? That is way undervalued for what it does. 2085 02:06:49.239 --> 02:06:54.039 Get that this is dumb. It's a really good game. It's good. 2086 02:06:54.319 --> 02:06:59.600 I hate this is a really unhealthy thing that we're we need the bends 2087 02:06:59.720 --> 02:07:03.720 to stop this. I will not defend Clash of Clans as a video game. 2088 02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:08.880 That is just something I'm doing. But Clash Royale I think is a 2089 02:07:09.000 --> 02:07:11.560 good video game. It totally is. Do you think it's a good video 2090 02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:18.960 game? Dragged down by its business models? If it across the board everyone 2091 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.600 spends ten dollars and you all have access to the same cards and everything. 2092 02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:25.840 I could if I could buy a ten dollars version of this game where everybody 2093 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:29.000 was on the same it seems like this tournament was that also, which is 2094 02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:31.960 like the most tragic thing is the tournament is they're rolling those tournament features into 2095 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:34.680 the game so people can do that, Okay, but that's not how you're 2096 02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:38.520 going to do matchmaking or whatever. Also, I'm kind of glad in a 2097 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:41.880 weird way that it has that because it keeps me from playing this game all 2098 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:45.720 the fucking time, because like that's the only thing that that doesn't even stop 2099 02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:46.800 me. Like once all the chests are filled up and it'll warn you like, 2100 02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:49.680 hey man, you can't get for this, Like they actually warned. 2101 02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:53.600 They're like you should maybe stop playing this because you're not earning any progress, 2102 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:57.399 and you're like nope, because it's just fun. I do the exact same 2103 02:07:57.479 --> 02:07:59.880 thing. It is super addictive. I mean the matches are so short, 2104 02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:03.479 three minutes of match. Yeah. I've done the thing a couple of times 2105 02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:07.920 where I'm waiting for the train in the station at Montgomery Station and then I'll 2106 02:08:07.960 --> 02:08:13.119 have like thirty seconds left on a thing and my train will pull up. 2107 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:15.720 Yeah, and I'll be like, I'm gonna lose reception if I step on 2108 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:16.479 that train, so I'll just catch the next I want to finish this. 2109 02:08:16.600 --> 02:08:20.920 Wow. Wow, that's commitment. I usually just eat the loss. Whatever. 2110 02:08:20.880 --> 02:08:24.880 You gotta be careful with that stuff. My wife had an intervention with 2111 02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:28.399 me. I was apparently ignoring her on the car ride home one day because 2112 02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.319 I was playing Clash Royale and yeah, she yeah, she was pretty upset. 2113 02:08:33.399 --> 02:08:37.319 It's a good game, it is. There were, from what I 2114 02:08:37.359 --> 02:08:39.720 could see, pretty good between twitch and YouTube, roughly one hundred and twenty 2115 02:08:39.760 --> 02:08:43.600 thousand people watching that tournament, more out of just like curiosity, Oh yeah, 2116 02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:46.000 sure, oh you know what actually saw? It suggested on a forum 2117 02:08:46.119 --> 02:08:50.079 that I think they actually like popped up if you were in the app when 2118 02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:52.800 the tournament started, they popped up a notifications of ship, like, hey, 2119 02:08:52.840 --> 02:08:56.439 there's a tournament. Do you want to watch it? You can get 2120 02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:58.560 people. You could hit a button then just go straight to the tournaments. 2121 02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:01.039 Yeah, it was fun. It was It was cool to see high level 2122 02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:09.520 clash Royal play. The future is weird. Uh, all right, that's 2123 02:09:09.560 --> 02:09:11.199 it for video games. Most anybody's got anything else? I've been playing. 2124 02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:16.880 Yeah, battle Zone ninety eight redo. Oh yeah, that thing just dropped 2125 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.199 out of nowhere, right, yeah, cool on Steam you can go play 2126 02:09:20.239 --> 02:09:22.640 battle Zone now. You're the good Battles. You say you're a big fan 2127 02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:28.119 of this original battle Zone. I'm sorry, this original remake reboot or this 2128 02:09:28.239 --> 02:09:31.840 is this isn't even the one fan of the sequel of the reboot battle Zone 2129 02:09:31.880 --> 02:09:33.479 two. I've never actually played the original battle zones. This has actually been 2130 02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:37.439 kind of fun. The original battle Zone, the original RTS battle Zone, 2131 02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:43.319 not the original Battles Rebellion, published by the other like remake of the Arcade 2132 02:09:45.239 --> 02:09:50.520 battle Zone game that is like a PlayStation VR game is also by Rebellion, 2133 02:09:50.640 --> 02:09:52.920 based on the movie, based on the game. Yes, so yeah, 2134 02:09:52.920 --> 02:09:54.039 they went out and they went out and picked up that's why they just called 2135 02:09:54.039 --> 02:09:58.800 it Battles exactly. Yeah, they went and picked up the all the rights 2136 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:01.840 to the battle Zone across the board, and they they made this, and 2137 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:05.680 then they're also making this PlayStation VR thing that is a more straightforward shooter. 2138 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:11.000 Huh uh yeah weird. So was it like all new graphics and all new 2139 02:10:11.239 --> 02:10:16.359 stuff. I thought it was like remastered, but I know what's resident. 2140 02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:22.359 Yeah, they've got uh. It's It's been fun doing this one because I 2141 02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:28.800 get to see now what what is consistent throughout the trilogy, such as terrible 2142 02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:33.920 voiceovers. Uh, there's like in between missions, there's a loading screen, 2143 02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:39.359 and this guy is way too dramatic about being on the moon fighting the Soviets. 2144 02:10:41.640 --> 02:10:43.920 But that's just great if you've never played it before. It is an 2145 02:10:43.039 --> 02:10:46.039 art It is an rt a third person RTS. So you're driving a tank 2146 02:10:46.079 --> 02:10:50.039 around, but you can jump out and hop into another tank and then command 2147 02:10:50.199 --> 02:10:54.520 units from like a ground perspective. Yeah, okay, which a number of 2148 02:10:54.600 --> 02:11:00.960 games have tried, uh subsequently, but I don't think anyone who's really nailed 2149 02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:05.399 it, like battle Zone, and that's why I like that game. So 2150 02:11:05.199 --> 02:11:09.079 if you want to play that, it works. I'm right now stuck on 2151 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:13.640 a mission though, m so I'm gonna have to maybe look up I don't 2152 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:16.960 think I've played that game since it was brand new, so I barely remember 2153 02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.800 anything about it at this point. Yeah, it's cool, it's it sounds 2154 02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:24.720 sale right now for sixteen Okay. Yeah. I also played a few hours 2155 02:11:24.800 --> 02:11:33.279 of Twilight Struggle, which is an adaptation. Yeah, Austin Record admended it 2156 02:11:33.319 --> 02:11:37.319 to me, as did a few people people on Twitter. It's basically really 2157 02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:41.720 complex risk. Okay, you gotta you got a map of the world. 2158 02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:46.079 I clicked through that on Steam and saw a board game, and I was 2159 02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:48.520 like, back away from this. But if you put it that way, 2160 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:50.880 that's cool. That sounds like Brad, I got a board game, we 2161 02:11:50.920 --> 02:11:56.520 can play what's that? And video game for him? What's that? There's 2162 02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:58.039 there's many of them. We need to do the sixth one? No, 2163 02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:00.960 yeah, I don't think I'm good. You're good, Okay, all right, 2164 02:12:01.119 --> 02:12:03.600 Actually i'd like I'd like to play that sixth One'm good? What are 2165 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:07.159 you talking about? I'll talk after the show. I don't want to talk 2166 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:09.199 after that. I'm talking. I'm talking about Marrow. Trust me, you 2167 02:12:09.279 --> 02:12:16.359 don't what's up? You don't don't enable him? Sounds fun anyway. It's 2168 02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:20.079 the US and the USSR during the Cold War. That is the theme of 2169 02:12:20.119 --> 02:12:24.439 this board game, and then each each country. So, uh, if 2170 02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:28.359 you remember risk, you can just decide to attack a country and roll dice. 2171 02:12:30.079 --> 02:12:37.319 In this one, you can decide to cause a coup or to assert 2172 02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:43.680 your influence in the country. There are a bunch of different like manipulative things 2173 02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:50.960 that you can do to detract your enemy's presence in that country, and you 2174 02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:54.680 can also play cards that will help you in that endeavor. But everything about 2175 02:12:54.880 --> 02:12:56.479 the thing about the cards is that there's a card game in the board game. 2176 02:12:56.800 --> 02:13:03.800 Yeah, oh my god. Each card has something that benefits the other 2177 02:13:03.880 --> 02:13:05.399 person. So if you're going to play that, you have to make sure 2178 02:13:05.399 --> 02:13:09.399 you played at the right time because there's no there's basically it's you know, 2179 02:13:11.079 --> 02:13:15.079 it's an analog of the Cold War, so nothing is binary. It's either 2180 02:13:15.560 --> 02:13:18.960 it's it's all fuzzy. But did a really good job of making that into 2181 02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:24.640 a game. I also finished middle of your solid five, right, congratulations, 2182 02:13:24.680 --> 02:13:28.760 So you did. How'd that go? Good? Better than expect it? 2183 02:13:28.880 --> 02:13:31.840 Yeah? People were would you think it? Really? Were sick of 2184 02:13:31.880 --> 02:13:33.319 that jeep ride? Huh oh? Yeah, that was a while ago. 2185 02:13:33.560 --> 02:13:39.000 Yeah, that was a while ago. Before the first, Well, when 2186 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:41.560 I played it, it wasn't that it was all kind of ran together and 2187 02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:46.479 all that other stuff wasn't like a week apart, and yeah, we had 2188 02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:48.880 different videos and stuff. Yeah. When I created the deck for that, 2189 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:54.239 I put part one of the finale fully expecting that this was going to go 2190 02:13:54.640 --> 02:14:00.359 like probably ninety episodes because the Quiet mission. Yeah, people were really thinking 2191 02:14:00.399 --> 02:14:03.039 in the chat that that quiet mission was going to take him dozens of times. 2192 02:14:03.239 --> 02:14:07.479 But four it only took like one dozen. Yeah, thank something like 2193 02:14:07.560 --> 02:14:09.159 that. But no, he knocked it out in that stream. Yeah, 2194 02:14:09.319 --> 02:14:13.199 that mission is so bad. Blocked you guys up like one pm. We 2195 02:14:13.359 --> 02:14:15.800 wrapped up. I had to believe because I had to go take care of 2196 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.680 a baby. So probably like six hours later, I think I ate about 2197 02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:22.479 three full packages of red vines. Yeah, comedy versus fast Breaks? Did 2198 02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:24.600 you have numerous? Numerous great? Thank you very much for those. Yeah, 2199 02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:28.239 I know I really appreciate those. Thank you. Yeah, Yeah, 2200 02:14:28.239 --> 02:14:33.439 it was great. Dan stole a lot of my candy. Whenever I paid, 2201 02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:37.359 I ran into the control room while he was distracted and stole a fast 2202 02:14:37.399 --> 02:14:39.520 break from his pack. Yeah, I didn't do anything to that candy. 2203 02:14:39.560 --> 02:14:43.640 By the way, thank you or those chips thank you MS five with some 2204 02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:50.199 video game huh yeah. Yeah to Liz, I'm I'm glad to be done, 2205 02:14:50.600 --> 02:14:56.319 but you're not done. But I'm also glad to just I don't know, 2206 02:14:56.600 --> 02:14:58.560 it's been a really good experience. I got out of it what I 2207 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:03.479 wanted to get out of it with this, with this endeavor. Yeah, 2208 02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:07.960 and those games are really good. Did you end up picking a favorite of 2209 02:15:09.079 --> 02:15:13.359 the French? Actually? Yeah? Three? Oh, so you picked the 2210 02:15:13.479 --> 02:15:18.359 wrong one? Then are you you're a two guy? Right? I'd be 2211 02:15:18.399 --> 02:15:22.479 a two guy. Yeah, I'd be a five guy. Okay. I 2212 02:15:22.520 --> 02:15:24.960 think there's an argument for any of them. That's the thing, Like, 2213 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:30.520 there's like this is not a me saying three is the best. It's just 2214 02:15:30.680 --> 02:15:33.800 like three really resonates with me. Then I remember it, Well, you're 2215 02:15:33.800 --> 02:15:39.239 always wearing a cameo around the office and hid stuff and really like you really 2216 02:15:39.279 --> 02:15:41.520 like to dig through menus. Yeah, every time you change anything, he 2217 02:15:41.640 --> 02:15:45.640 likes to he likes to keep his cameo index above eighty. Yeah. Yeah, 2218 02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:50.199 throwing frogs around. So what's next? Twin snakes is next, right 2219 02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:56.319 of course, and then we're doing revengeance ghost babble. Yeah, I've got 2220 02:15:56.520 --> 02:16:01.359 three for a said two I think. Yeah, they're Canami skateboarding game with 2221 02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:05.479 snake in it, digital graphic novel on PSP. Oh yeah, yeah, 2222 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:11.359 yeah, there we go. Yeah and then with the metal or Solid Snakes 2223 02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:18.119 sorry right right, yeah, but no no plans to do Metal Gear Rising 2224 02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:24.600 with your revengeance Metal Gear Scanlin is complete. Yes, m we ran a 2225 02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:28.039 pole in the chat right towards the end of that stream about people's favorite metal 2226 02:16:28.119 --> 02:16:33.319 gears and three one by a pretty healthy marginally no kid. I was a 2227 02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:39.319 little surprised by that, but also kind of not big big love of the 2228 02:16:39.360 --> 02:16:41.239 first one. But it was a pretty good spread that's mostly nostalgic, and 2229 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:46.000 like I was gonna say, like one's probably it's pretty hard to go back 2230 02:16:46.040 --> 02:16:48.239 to these days. Yeah, to play, but like I think story wise 2231 02:16:48.280 --> 02:16:50.760 and like, that collection of Bosses is definitely the best. Yes, it's 2232 02:16:50.760 --> 02:16:54.239 the best. Yes, it's the best collection of boss I agree with that, 2233 02:16:54.360 --> 02:16:56.120 and also like like and as such, I think Twins Snakes is actually 2234 02:16:56.159 --> 02:17:00.440 a pretty good I mean, just watch that twenty seven minute trail they put 2235 02:17:00.440 --> 02:17:03.959 out, which is insane, but that shows all the crazy anime cut scenes. 2236 02:17:03.959 --> 02:17:05.879 If you want to see the weird bullish that game does. And yeah, 2237 02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:09.719 meddal Gear is like anime, so just like yeah, but yeah it 2238 02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:11.000 is. But twenty Snakes is like, hey, this is just straight up 2239 02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:15.200 anime now, like now we're just doing gods the people that make that and 2240 02:17:15.600 --> 02:17:18.280 and had them make some for us. That's the thing, Denis Dyak, 2241 02:17:18.399 --> 02:17:22.200 mister anime. It's a matter of preference. But the first game struck the 2242 02:17:22.239 --> 02:17:26.799 balance that I wanted between like military intrigue and like you may absurdity, and 2243 02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:28.959 then they went full anime after that. Yeah, but they did it so 2244 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:31.479 good, and like the fact that it was all wrapped with this like kind 2245 02:17:31.559 --> 02:17:35.719 of realistic like military like realistic, you know, but like a real world 2246 02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:39.879 locations set and kind of modern takes. It's a weird contract. Then yeah, 2247 02:17:39.959 --> 02:17:43.559 fucking vampires and fat guys and rolls. It really made Yeah, the 2248 02:17:43.600 --> 02:17:46.000 fat guy and vampire is more realistic by having it in a realistic setting. 2249 02:17:46.040 --> 02:17:50.159 You're you're definitely right about ghosts. It's like they asked, They finally asked 2250 02:17:50.200 --> 02:17:52.600 and answered the question, what if vampires were real? Man, what would 2251 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:56.239 they mean? Like, it's not a vampire though, it's Nanto machines it's 2252 02:17:56.239 --> 02:18:00.479 based on science. But that's also I mean, vampires aren't really so you'd 2253 02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:05.000 have to like, how would you make a vampire really nano machines? So 2254 02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:07.799 it was like bram Stokers Dracula was nana machines too. No, I'm saying 2255 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:13.319 this is the it's the only real vampire ever. All other vampires are bullshit. 2256 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:16.600 Okay, it's a vamp's going reale based in reality. Yeah, yeah, 2257 02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:20.879 rooted grounded. Yeah, science. He jumped off the George Washington Bridge. 2258 02:18:20.879 --> 02:18:24.319 That's a real bridge. Can't make that up. No, that's exactly 2259 02:18:24.319 --> 02:18:35.959 the stay shells that exists. Solid snake simulation selection for societal Sanity is that 2260 02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:39.879 in the game. Originally the S three plan was the solid snake simulation, 2261 02:18:39.079 --> 02:18:43.200 but that was all a ruse because it was really a Patriots plot for the 2262 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:46.799 selection of societal sanity to see how much they could control the flow of information. 2263 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:50.920 Right. Simulation was a cover story told Ryding. So when the and 2264 02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:56.200 I think we'll see a metal gear scale in six, If there's another metal 2265 02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:58.959 gear solid, there's not gonna be another. If there's a middle gear SEL 2266 02:19:00.159 --> 02:19:03.760 six, there's certainly gonna be another metal solid. It will be there. 2267 02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:07.520 Will be a metal gar solid, but it's gonna be a pachinko machine, 2268 02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:11.280 so you're gonna have to go. Then I'll finish that pachinko machine, I 2269 02:19:11.360 --> 02:19:13.000 guess. I mean, if they make that pachinko machine, we I think 2270 02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:16.239 we're obligated to get that shipped here and do that, yeah, or ship 2271 02:19:16.360 --> 02:19:20.520 ourselves out there. Yeah okay, yeah, also a really good idea. 2272 02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:24.760 No, we should just get a pachinko machine. Actually, isn't it's probably 2273 02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:28.719 illegal? Isn't have But also isn't having one in your Like? Isn't that 2274 02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:33.120 worthless? Like isn't gambling gambling? Gambling with your own money? Just like 2275 02:19:33.479 --> 02:19:37.760 the value of It's like buying a slot machine simulator for your game console and 2276 02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:39.000 just pushing like the button over and over, agatinting, go oh, I 2277 02:19:39.079 --> 02:19:43.600 want that time. It's like pachinco machines that really give out money. They 2278 02:19:43.639 --> 02:19:48.040 give out like they give out ball. Yeah, keep telling you. So, 2279 02:19:48.120 --> 02:19:50.399 how would it be illegal? I don't understand it'd be illegal to own 2280 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:54.879 a gambling machine. And you're, well, yeah, I guess it's like 2281 02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:56.920 you can buy slot machines and have them in your house, so they have 2282 02:19:58.040 --> 02:20:00.840 to be older than a certain year. As an owner of a slot machine, 2283 02:20:00.920 --> 02:20:03.559 lay tell you that they have to be prior to a certain year. 2284 02:20:03.719 --> 02:20:07.840 You can't own newer slot machines because then then you could be hacking them and 2285 02:20:07.959 --> 02:20:13.680 learning how to work and then going casinos. Yeah, don't fucking say that. 2286 02:20:15.000 --> 02:20:18.920 Please waiting outside the podcasting right now. Like ski Ball, you know, 2287 02:20:20.040 --> 02:20:22.639 I mean that's skill based for the most part, that dispensed tickets. 2288 02:20:22.879 --> 02:20:26.159 Yeah, you could. I think, Oh you get a fucking laffy taffy 2289 02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:30.799 for those tickets. This bullshit. There's some really high quality prices you you 2290 02:20:30.799 --> 02:20:33.319 could probably get, like if you have like twenty thousand, let's start in 2291 02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:39.959 an adult ski ball situation where you turn those tickets into pornographic films and cigarettes. 2292 02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:46.639 Okay, yeah, it'll be millionaires probably probably. This is a business 2293 02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:48.239 plan with legs. I really want a Chinko machine. Now, I'm just 2294 02:20:48.319 --> 02:20:52.000 saying, do you fact could be arranged. The thing is is most of 2295 02:20:52.040 --> 02:20:56.719 these machines are technically patchy slot machines. There's like a potico and is kind 2296 02:20:56.719 --> 02:21:00.799 of a screen in there with a weird video game component to all kinds of 2297 02:21:00.840 --> 02:21:03.000 weird che can he guys out there listening. Stop sending Dan so many fucking 2298 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:09.680 ambos and just send us one of these sea mebo slot machine where you win 2299 02:21:09.719 --> 02:21:13.959 at ambo. How gross? Nobody wins? Gross, buddy? All right, 2300 02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:16.639 let's move into the emails. I have one here that will be relevant 2301 02:21:16.639 --> 02:21:20.559 to your interests. Bobcast at chinantbomb dot com. It's my interest Heather in 2302 02:21:20.719 --> 02:21:26.159 Montreal. It's about metal Gear. Okay, nah, we have an expert. 2303 02:21:26.799 --> 02:21:30.719 How far in advance do you think coojima plans of the Metal Gear games? 2304 02:21:31.280 --> 02:21:33.680 I cannot believe that he had the twist from MGS five planned when he 2305 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:37.760 created the first Metal Gear game? Totally, But but did he know what 2306 02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:41.360 would happen in MGS four when he made one? Does he have some kind 2307 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:45.680 of crazy long term plan? This isn't you know? This is written in 2308 02:21:45.760 --> 02:21:48.399 the present tense, which obviously he will never make another metre game. We're 2309 02:21:48.440 --> 02:21:52.799 gonna ask the expert here and so yeah, how much? How much was 2310 02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:54.079 he just making this ship up as he went along? That? Yep? 2311 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:58.600 Yeah, yeah, all right, the right answer. You pass the test. 2312 02:22:00.000 --> 02:22:03.959 He really did play they're wrestling, they're like writing the show up to 2313 02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:11.760 the moment. Ragos live. Yeah, yeah, James and Guerrilla m I 2314 02:22:11.799 --> 02:22:15.280 mean he had he had a mixed movies. He had a big thread to 2315 02:22:15.399 --> 02:22:18.520 work off of because he just pulled out all of his high school notes, 2316 02:22:18.360 --> 02:22:22.600 his journal. Yeah, whenever he got angsty. This girl broke up with 2317 02:22:22.639 --> 02:22:24.600 me because I didn't have enough posters on my wall right after we watched King 2318 02:22:24.680 --> 02:22:30.000 Kong six times. There is a thread. I mean, considering that every 2319 02:22:30.079 --> 02:22:33.200 Metal Gear game is basically made as if it's the last Metal Gear game, 2320 02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:35.680 Like that's kind of you know, it's kind of obvious that he's making it 2321 02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:41.879 up. I mean it worked out in the end. There is there is 2322 02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:46.040 a narratable book sense, all right, there's a narrative that goes there's no 2323 02:22:46.280 --> 02:22:50.799 one big thing that you can't explain in those games throughout the history of it. 2324 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:58.239 You same big thing like the overall story arc the Patriots and Zero and 2325 02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:01.799 Big Boss and Snake and stuff, like, all those threads are explained. 2326 02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:05.200 Yeah no, I mean yeah, but explain not realistically. I mean it's 2327 02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:09.479 not. It's a fictional cobble together some bullshit that at least fits with the 2328 02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:13.440 timeline that they're working with. Like that's I think the most generous you could 2329 02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:20.079 be it makes sense from a fictional narrative standpoint, no judgment to quality an 2330 02:23:20.200 --> 02:23:24.200 organization of facts. Yes, yeah, I'm not saying it could act like 2331 02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:28.200 humans. Yeah, but I'm not saying it could happen. Metal gear can't 2332 02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:33.360 happen. Yeah, yeah, because it already did. But it makes sense. 2333 02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:37.719 But what what doesn't make sense? Let's move on. Nope, let's 2334 02:23:37.719 --> 02:23:43.159 move on. Next email, I'm getting hit the ship in the bud Drew 2335 02:23:43.200 --> 02:23:48.879 from Los Angeles writes in other drew Hey Fellows. The other day, I 2336 02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:52.639 found myself in a richer game store here in Los Angeles, paying one hundred 2337 02:23:52.639 --> 02:23:56.479 dollars for a near mint copy of Zelda wand of gamble On for the CDI 2338 02:23:56.000 --> 02:24:00.399 I'm widely regarded as one of the worst games ever made. It as you 2339 02:24:00.479 --> 02:24:03.639 do, it is now proudly displayed in my home, proudly. Even more 2340 02:24:03.719 --> 02:24:07.879 recently, I dropped I nearly dropped hundreds of dollars on eBay on a boxed 2341 02:24:07.920 --> 02:24:11.200 copy of Centipede for the Atari twenty six hundred that had been found in the 2342 02:24:11.239 --> 02:24:16.239 Alama Gordo landfill et hunt. It came with a certificate of authenticity from the 2343 02:24:16.319 --> 02:24:22.440 City for Garbage, A literal piece of garbage that sat beside other less nostalgic 2344 02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:26.040 pieces of garbage for decades. However, I'll probably still buy it or a 2345 02:24:26.120 --> 02:24:31.079 boxed three d O or some other crazy expensive piece of historical trash because I 2346 02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:33.559 know that it's a part of the shared history we all have with video games. 2347 02:24:35.399 --> 02:24:37.239 If you can't tell, I'm still coming to terms with the impact this 2348 02:24:37.399 --> 02:24:41.079 is having in my wallet. That being said, it got me wondering what 2349 02:24:41.239 --> 02:24:45.559 is the most expensive piece of video game trash you've ever bought for either it's 2350 02:24:45.600 --> 02:24:48.879 perceived historical or nostalgic value. Helped me feel better about this dark peth I've 2351 02:24:48.959 --> 02:24:54.239 set myself on. I can't. I bought a Mortal Kombat to our cade 2352 02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:58.280 cabinet that wasn't working from a pizza plays but then I got it working, 2353 02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:01.360 so then it was super not trash. I had it for two hundred jews. 2354 02:25:01.520 --> 02:25:05.040 Work on it or did you get somebody in there to met? I 2355 02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:07.159 just dinked around with it, and I didn't know anything, so I was 2356 02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:09.760 just googling, like you know, dip switches and just all this stuff, 2357 02:25:09.760 --> 02:25:11.520 and like, don't touch that box because that's gonna kill me. And you 2358 02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:15.440 know, wow, that's impressive. Yeah. Well, I mean they told 2359 02:25:15.479 --> 02:25:18.479 me that at the pizza place. It was Gumby's Pizza and Lawrence, Kansas, 2360 02:25:18.559 --> 02:25:20.799 And I was like, hey, are you guys selling that? And 2361 02:25:20.840 --> 02:25:22.000 it was like, well, it would sell it to you because like it 2362 02:25:22.159 --> 02:25:24.680 was working. And then we moved it across the room and then it stopped 2363 02:25:24.719 --> 02:25:28.559 working and were thinking like this, something just must have got jostled or something. 2364 02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:31.719 And so I was like, yeah, two hundred bucks here you go, 2365 02:25:31.799 --> 02:25:33.600 have my friends coming to the pickup truck. Took it back. I 2366 02:25:33.719 --> 02:25:35.879 just worked on it for a couple of days, just moving stuff around, 2367 02:25:35.959 --> 02:25:37.920 unplugging and replugging stuff. Just tap the chips at some point you just like 2368 02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:41.360 just like just with that Warlord's cabinet, the cocktail I have, like sometimes 2369 02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:43.719 you just need to like tap the chips on the board. Oh God, 2370 02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:48.319 that stuff gets so weird. Remember that's remember the Wizard of War machine that 2371 02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:50.719 Joe Fielder had. Yeah, like one of the ROMs got corrupt, so 2372 02:25:50.879 --> 02:25:52.559 like there were walls in the maze that weren't supposed to be there. It 2373 02:25:52.719 --> 02:25:56.079 was gibberish on the screen that would block would actually block bullets, like it 2374 02:25:56.159 --> 02:26:01.319 introduced. It introduced graphical corruption that became like like it had collision on it 2375 02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:03.639 so you couldn't move through it. Stuff. It was the weirdest thing, 2376 02:26:03.719 --> 02:26:07.000 those game bugs. It's the best. Yeah, congratulations on buying the correct 2377 02:26:07.120 --> 02:26:13.000 arcade cabinet. Yeah, that is the one to own. It's it's raiding 2378 02:26:13.040 --> 02:26:16.879 on the side of the l Yeah sounds. Yeah, it was great. 2379 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:22.479 This is not a huge amount of money. They all make that. That's 2380 02:26:22.479 --> 02:26:24.239 the only one I had, though, So that's first time I heard it's 2381 02:26:24.239 --> 02:26:28.319 special. I spent my Blitz cabinet. Makes that noise. I spent fifty 2382 02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:31.239 dollars on the board for that game that I've never taken out of the box 2383 02:26:31.520 --> 02:26:35.360 I've had in my closet for the last twelve years. I found I don't 2384 02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:37.799 know, Yeah, I found my Pit Fighter board that I think I bought 2385 02:26:37.559 --> 02:26:41.799 not too much before you bought that one. Oh, that's right. There 2386 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:43.799 was just that period where a game spot where people just we just started buying 2387 02:26:43.799 --> 02:26:48.239 our key boards and we knew jack about making them work. Like Greg bought 2388 02:26:48.280 --> 02:26:52.799 a super Gun and a street Fighter board and that worked. So we were 2389 02:26:52.879 --> 02:26:54.959 like, well, fuck it, let's buy some more arcade boards. Not 2390 02:26:56.159 --> 02:26:58.719 realizing like, oh, Pitt Fighters a medium rez game, so it won't 2391 02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:01.479 run at all on the Supergun only runs of the standard RESU games. And 2392 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:05.799 yeah, I bought NBA Jam, which is also a medium resume. It's 2393 02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:09.719 just a fucking nightmare. And holy shit, that's why you gotta get Jerry 2394 02:27:09.799 --> 02:27:13.159 in there. Jerry the Arcade Doctor fixed stuff up for you. I'm talking 2395 02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:18.799 just bad game decisions or old game decisions, both either or about the Gears 2396 02:27:18.799 --> 02:27:24.559 of War Lancer. Wow, yeah, you regret that tattoo, that the 2397 02:27:24.600 --> 02:27:28.000 Gears logo that you've got a oh, the one on the inside of my 2398 02:27:28.239 --> 02:27:33.520 cheek. Yeah, conspicuous location. A few people are ever going to see 2399 02:27:33.559 --> 02:27:35.159 that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I bought a three 2400 02:27:35.239 --> 02:27:37.079 D o in Japan for two hundred bucks. Maybe it wasn't even that much. 2401 02:27:37.120 --> 02:27:41.120 I don't know. That's that's that's a normal press. But they spent 2402 02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:46.399 thousands of Yeah, I mean stick well, I mean not a single stick. 2403 02:27:46.600 --> 02:27:50.760 But that Mark of the Wolves cartridge is probably like that game is the 2404 02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:56.319 opposite of garbage, but just justice the one. Yeah, it's it's a 2405 02:27:56.639 --> 02:28:01.159 it's a Japanese home cart It's not an Arcades on an MBS cart and it's 2406 02:28:01.159 --> 02:28:05.719 a home I think I have an MVS cart Runners somewhere too, But it 2407 02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:11.280 was just like eleven hundred dollars, twelve hundred dollars something like that. I 2408 02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:13.840 just laid it out because because I had already turned my money into the end 2409 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:16.399 at that point, it's all fake money anyway. Yeah, yeah, there's 2410 02:28:16.440 --> 02:28:18.719 like it's a fun color and what's all that add up? I gotta get 2411 02:28:18.799 --> 02:28:20.120 rid of this somehow. And I was like, well, I've already purchased 2412 02:28:20.159 --> 02:28:24.000 all of the cheap Neo Geo cartridges. I already have three copies of Samurai 2413 02:28:24.040 --> 02:28:28.799 Show Down one. They were like a dollar, So I figured like, 2414 02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:31.440 well, if those are a dollar, then really I'm getting over So I 2415 02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:37.000 might as well spend eleven hundred dollars on a Mark of the Wolves. You 2416 02:28:37.079 --> 02:28:39.760 want to, you gotta pay. The three sixty version is now available, 2417 02:28:39.879 --> 02:28:45.079 Like the Xbox one, that was a cool, cool thing, but a 2418 02:28:45.120 --> 02:28:50.600 cool thing totally doesn't devalue union sas so it doesn't. Actually there was a 2419 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:54.120 time well there there was well I don't know, it depends on what people 2420 02:28:54.200 --> 02:28:58.000 will actually pay, but there was a time where all of the home versions 2421 02:28:58.040 --> 02:29:01.000 of Mark of the Wolves coming out for like Dreamcast and Real Bad and you 2422 02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:05.040 know, like Mame just existing and emulating the neo geo so well, like 2423 02:29:05.239 --> 02:29:11.479 the it seemed like the market for those cartridges fucking tanked. And I checked 2424 02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:15.639 recently and Mark of the Wolves was back up to around what I paid for, 2425 02:29:16.840 --> 02:29:22.760 So I figured, if I hold out long enough, hobby grade carts 2426 02:29:22.840 --> 02:29:26.280 are a growth market. There's a couple good postscripts on this email that I'm 2427 02:29:26.319 --> 02:29:31.120 going to read real quick before we move on. My working Attari six switch 2428 02:29:31.319 --> 02:29:35.280 wood grained twenty six hundred, Yeah, was bought with four controllers to each 2429 02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:39.280 of paddle and joystick, all wires, and ten games on a local thrift 2430 02:29:39.319 --> 02:29:43.920 store for twenty dollars from someone who clearly didn't know what he had pps. 2431 02:29:43.360 --> 02:29:48.479 That same Atari twenty six hundred was accidentally dropped seven feet onto the street by 2432 02:29:48.559 --> 02:29:52.000 Nick Carter of the Backstreet Boys. Percent true and guess what, it still 2433 02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:54.879 works. They don't make them like they used to know. This works better 2434 02:29:54.920 --> 02:30:01.000 now Carter drop. Yeah, it's been blessed now for sure. Uh. 2435 02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:05.600 Yes, I just had a flooded nostalgia. Actually, I think I edited 2436 02:30:05.680 --> 02:30:09.479 a podcast that Nick Carter was on for the one company that I worked for. 2437 02:30:09.760 --> 02:30:11.719 Like, what was the podcast about? It was about dropping twenty times. 2438 02:30:13.120 --> 02:30:16.799 Shit, yeah, I don't remember that. It's a personal passion of 2439 02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:20.360 his. That's weird. Okay. I bought a game Boy on micro and 2440 02:30:20.360 --> 02:30:24.120 I'm very happy. Oh yeah, cool. I was holding my game Boy 2441 02:30:24.200 --> 02:30:30.319 micro's yesterday, Jeff, Jeff and I bought bought Japan game Boy micros the 2442 02:30:30.360 --> 02:30:35.680 cool packaging. Yeah, I have one of those, and I have a 2443 02:30:35.760 --> 02:30:39.040 black one, which is the US one that they sent out when they when 2444 02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:41.760 they came out here, they sent a black one's eyes. I was moving 2445 02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:43.719 some stuff around yesterday and held both of them in my hands. Man, 2446 02:30:45.360 --> 02:30:48.959 I was unreasonably angry when they put out that Famcom Micro here me too. 2447 02:30:48.120 --> 02:30:50.959 I was so pissed. I was like, fucking I paid Japan prices for 2448 02:30:52.040 --> 02:30:56.200 that to cool thing and then you fuckers. I almost bought that one in 2449 02:30:56.319 --> 02:30:58.959 Super Potato because it was like the only one I could find, And then 2450 02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:03.000 I walked around another hour and a half and found another one. Yeah, 2451 02:31:03.079 --> 02:31:05.879 they were they were in short supply. I remember, actually I remember, 2452 02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:09.760 Yeah, we were there when they were coming out in Japan and we were 2453 02:31:09.799 --> 02:31:13.879 going around a supermarkets are going around the convenience stores and just wherever we could 2454 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:16.200 think of it would have them. And I remember I got mine at some 2455 02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:24.000 department store that was like behind the train station in where where the Macarim essay 2456 02:31:24.120 --> 02:31:28.399 is, where where TGS is held. It was somewhere over there, uh 2457 02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:31.879 where Normally we don't shop around there when we when we go to town, 2458 02:31:31.959 --> 02:31:35.120 but right, but we were so desperate we found and that was like the 2459 02:31:35.200 --> 02:31:37.879 last one they had, the last two with what they had or whatever. 2460 02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:43.159 Totally awesome. Yeah, bad screens, too small, bad decision making. 2461 02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:48.280 Yeah, I think is still cool. Though it's still super cool. Carson 2462 02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:52.360 from Maryland writes in with a short sweet email. Would you ever do an 2463 02:31:52.399 --> 02:31:56.879 outdoors episode of Unprofessional Friday, as in you recorded outside? That sounds like 2464 02:31:56.959 --> 02:32:01.639 a dumb thing worth doing? Totally Yeah, I'm down. Have no idea 2465 02:32:01.680 --> 02:32:03.360 what that would be. Now that we're on the first floor, is that 2466 02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:07.280 technically easier longer cable to just run it out front or something close to the 2467 02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:11.959 garage technically? Yeah? Yeah, I mean if we could do it with 2468 02:32:11.079 --> 02:32:15.319 sdis if we you know what, the easiest thing would probably be to do 2469 02:32:15.440 --> 02:32:18.120 a fiber run of the program feed. I mean, this is what we 2470 02:32:18.200 --> 02:32:20.959 were going to do, right. Can we do it in the back of 2471 02:32:22.239 --> 02:32:26.719 a moving semi trailer, standing on the back of a flatbed truck like when 2472 02:32:26.879 --> 02:32:28.760 NWA was on your MTV raps? Can we do that? I think that 2473 02:32:28.840 --> 02:32:31.760 have to be on pairs over periscope or something at that point. I've got 2474 02:32:31.799 --> 02:32:35.719 the technology for that. Okay, yeah, I would love to do that. 2475 02:32:35.760 --> 02:32:37.719 All right, what do we do it outside? Like here? Just 2476 02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:41.040 on that those chairs out front, the patio area, the courtyard thing. 2477 02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:46.959 Yeah, yeah, that's dumb enough. Okay, stay tuned. Ryan from 2478 02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:52.680 Gray's Lake, Illinois rights in about fanny packs finally, two weeks in a 2479 02:32:52.760 --> 02:32:54.319 run. I'm sure you got a ton of emails about this, but in 2480 02:32:54.399 --> 02:32:58.600 certain parts of the country, mostly outside of California in New York, fanny 2481 02:32:58.639 --> 02:33:01.520 packs having a bit of a renaissance. Really, if you don't want to 2482 02:33:01.639 --> 02:33:05.079 wear a fishing vest or an oversized Hawaiian shirt, and I don't, the 2483 02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:09.639 fanny pack really is the only option to conceal a firearm? How about all 2484 02:33:09.719 --> 02:33:11.600 three? So to the email or last week who was thinking about getting a 2485 02:33:11.639 --> 02:33:16.000 fanny pack, you should know that many people will assume you have a gun. 2486 02:33:16.399 --> 02:33:20.600 Wow. Always packing, always be packing. I got heavy. Hmm. 2487 02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:24.520 I was not aware. They're practical as hell. Man. It's true. 2488 02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:26.159 If you can get a real nice neutral color, you know, they're 2489 02:33:26.200 --> 02:33:31.319 not too outlandish, you can start a lot of stuff. Put snub Dose 2490 02:33:31.399 --> 02:33:35.520 thirty eight in there. I had a gay. Yeah. I kept my 2491 02:33:35.559 --> 02:33:37.520 game Boy, my original game Boy, and it had like it was a 2492 02:33:37.600 --> 02:33:41.239 game Boy branded and you know, like had room for the cartridges and all 2493 02:33:41.280 --> 02:33:45.079 that other stuff, like an ac adapter slot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 2494 02:33:45.079 --> 02:33:46.799 you can kind of keep all the stuff in there. I had like 2495 02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:50.360 a suitcase for my game beer, but I never ever wore it as a 2496 02:33:50.399 --> 02:33:52.319 fanny pack Do you like sling it over a shoulder it? Yeah, I 2497 02:33:52.360 --> 02:33:54.479 would do that, or I would just carry it. I would snap the 2498 02:33:54.879 --> 02:33:58.079 ends of it together and just carry it, or just put the whole thing 2499 02:33:58.159 --> 02:34:01.000 in a backpacker something. Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would wear 2500 02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:05.120 mine all the time. I can't. I loved it. Keep on my 2501 02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:11.159 smoking for other things like off the sod or up front. Now you keep 2502 02:34:11.200 --> 02:34:15.200 it, yeah in the back. You know. Fanny Fanny that means something 2503 02:34:15.239 --> 02:34:18.760 completely. I was gonna say British Fanny or Fanny fanny because that's how you 2504 02:34:18.760 --> 02:34:20.920 can keep it up front around back. What if I needed to smoke manure, 2505 02:34:22.959 --> 02:34:24.959 just slinging around the front, open it up, grab my stuff, 2506 02:34:26.879 --> 02:34:28.040 sling around. But I think what I would use. Its probably just a 2507 02:34:28.079 --> 02:34:31.879 bunch of starburst. I think, yeah, that'd be you could finish. 2508 02:34:31.959 --> 02:34:35.719 Yeah, a few packs in there, I'm sure. Yeah, get like 2509 02:34:35.799 --> 02:34:39.120 a fanny pack organizer and like, you know, divide it into different colors. 2510 02:34:39.520 --> 02:34:43.040 Is anybody making it like stylish like upscale fanny packs, yeah, weather 2511 02:34:43.200 --> 02:34:46.799 fanny packing those. Yeah, I don't know if I mentioned it before, 2512 02:34:46.879 --> 02:34:50.840 but yeah, I'll like get emails that there's a fanny fanny pack manufacturer that 2513 02:34:50.879 --> 02:34:54.520 puts like a boom box okay in there. Okay, so you could just 2514 02:34:54.559 --> 02:34:58.920 have sound rocking tunes coming on. But I love rocking tunes and butts, 2515 02:35:00.360 --> 02:35:07.280 but yes they're rocking. Jared and Charlotte, North Carolina. I recently got 2516 02:35:07.360 --> 02:35:11.200 a dog. I haven't played nothinger Solid five, but I find find myself 2517 02:35:11.360 --> 02:35:15.559 saying do it and my best Jeff Gersmen solid snake voice. Whenever my dog 2518 02:35:15.680 --> 02:35:18.559 poops, I'm now hoping that I can train him to poop on command. 2519 02:35:18.680 --> 02:35:22.479 They teach that thanks, and just horses. I mean, d dog can't 2520 02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:24.840 do it? Command? No, you can, well, he the dog 2521 02:35:24.879 --> 02:35:28.639 doesn't poop. He he does it, but not. You can't tell him 2522 02:35:28.680 --> 02:35:31.840 to do it. You can tell the horse, tell him to do it, 2523 02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:33.840 but what it is is not. You can say do it tod dog, 2524 02:35:35.280 --> 02:35:39.280 Yeah, and then he yeah, and he does kill him? Or 2525 02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:41.120 sure that's the command. Yeah, I don't think it's do it. I 2526 02:35:41.200 --> 02:35:48.280 think it's killed. I'm sure you can say yeah. The commands are all 2527 02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:52.360 pretty they had a keefer for a day. Yeah, oh so do it. 2528 02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:56.159 Yeah. I think I want to say yeah, says something different, 2529 02:35:56.200 --> 02:35:58.239 but but I think the voice says do it. That's the confusion there. 2530 02:35:58.360 --> 02:36:01.440 The tech says kill, I think, and maybe he says do it. 2531 02:36:01.719 --> 02:36:03.200 A great thing about do it. It works in any situation. Yeah, 2532 02:36:03.360 --> 02:36:09.159 yeah, do it. That's why Nike got so far. That's fair Nate 2533 02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:15.440 from Tacoma, Washington. It's more and more NX info arrives from decently plausible 2534 02:36:15.479 --> 02:36:18.319 sources. It's almost certain that Nintendo's new console will be arriving later this year. 2535 02:36:20.159 --> 02:36:22.799 With that on the horizon, I'm interested to see what the Bombcrat bomb 2536 02:36:22.840 --> 02:36:26.920 cast crew thinks of Nintendo's redheaded stepchild that he we you as the console approaches 2537 02:36:26.920 --> 02:36:30.799 the end of its run. If it does end its run this year, 2538 02:36:30.959 --> 02:36:33.239 it will have gone on with a four year lifespan, the shortest of any 2539 02:36:33.360 --> 02:36:37.680 Nintendo console unless we're counting the Virtual Boy. We should looking at my own 2540 02:36:37.719 --> 02:36:41.360 collection for the system, I have less than ten games, including two Zelda 2541 02:36:41.440 --> 02:36:46.040 remakes, and I feel like I've seen the best the system has to offer. 2542 02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:48.000 While the selection of games is limited, I feel like the good titles 2543 02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:52.319 that the system did have were phenomenal, such as an awesome new ip in 2544 02:36:52.360 --> 02:36:56.159 Splatoon as well as Super Mario Maker. So, now that we're approaching the 2545 02:36:56.360 --> 02:37:00.319 end and the only really notable upcoming release left for the system is Zelda, 2546 02:37:00.639 --> 02:37:03.280 how would you rate the WEIU? Does it still qualify as a good console 2547 02:37:03.719 --> 02:37:07.760 in your eyes? Or are its shortcomings too serious? Too over? I 2548 02:37:07.799 --> 02:37:09.440 mean, it's it's the best way to play a mass EVECT three bad. 2549 02:37:13.479 --> 02:37:16.719 Don't joke, it's actually good. The second screen right there in your hands, 2550 02:37:16.760 --> 02:37:20.239 man, is the game Dark Siders too? Second on? You actually 2551 02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:24.879 has additional modes that yeah, some of the others on Jen's pants or something. 2552 02:37:24.319 --> 02:37:31.600 But I know we're joking. I really love Yeah, I would say 2553 02:37:31.879 --> 02:37:33.600 I think it was a very good console. I just wish I had not 2554 02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:37.000 spent three hundred and fifty dollars on and when it first came out. I 2555 02:37:37.079 --> 02:37:46.559 love Super Mario Maker. I love the other fantastic gaity world that didn't necessarily 2556 02:37:46.680 --> 02:37:50.000 need to be on the WU. Yeah, Pickman three, Like, I 2557 02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:56.479 don't think any game except Mario Maker really delivered on the whole idea of absolutely 2558 02:37:56.520 --> 02:37:58.639 not like that game one. Nope, that's the one and only game that 2559 02:37:58.719 --> 02:38:01.479 just fise that fucking game pad. Yeah, Like I love s Platoon, 2560 02:38:01.559 --> 02:38:05.959 but like you could superduce Platoon without that game pad. But yeah, Mario 2561 02:38:05.079 --> 02:38:09.440 Maker like kind of alone makes me think like, okay, well this thing 2562 02:38:09.600 --> 02:38:11.319 makes sense. Yeah. I was just I was. I was holding my 2563 02:38:11.360 --> 02:38:16.799 WU over the weekend. Yeah, playing for your weekends holding different video games 2564 02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:24.440 paraphernalia. You're walking around you have like a log again, held gun con 2565 02:38:24.600 --> 02:38:28.520 for forty eight seconds, felt forlorn, put it back down, war Sega 2566 02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:35.319 Activator twenty three PM. I use the game pad as like a TV, 2567 02:38:35.760 --> 02:38:39.360 like you watch like Hulu and stuff on it or what you're talking about. 2568 02:38:39.399 --> 02:38:41.520 No, because you don't actually have to have it hooked up, have the 2569 02:38:41.559 --> 02:38:43.680 we you hooked up to a TV, you can play everything, well not 2570 02:38:43.799 --> 02:38:48.520 everything in the bad or something. Yeah, that's fine, So I don't 2571 02:38:48.040 --> 02:38:50.319 Yeah, like I play Mario Maker on the on the game pad screen. 2572 02:38:50.360 --> 02:38:54.799 I don't ever turn on TV to play that. It's I would not have 2573 02:38:54.840 --> 02:38:58.280 thought that. It's not completely devoid of function. It's hooked up to a 2574 02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:03.440 TV for whatever reason, just in case. But yeah, the way you 2575 02:39:03.559 --> 02:39:07.840 gave us a better version of wind Waker, and for that I am grateful, 2576 02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:11.000 Yes, much better version. And Mario three D World. I don't 2577 02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:13.680 think it's talked about enough. That was a great Mario game cart. Oh 2578 02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:18.079 yeah, great Mario Kart, great Mad Brothers. Yeah, like they're totally 2579 02:39:18.120 --> 02:39:20.040 good. It's good. It's a good system. But yeah, virtually all 2580 02:39:20.079 --> 02:39:24.719 the big series had good entries on it, outside of Zelda. I mean, 2581 02:39:24.840 --> 02:39:28.120 Zella had the Remax at least, but just third party support man. 2582 02:39:28.440 --> 02:39:31.840 But yeah, it makes sense that they are moving away from it sooner than 2583 02:39:33.200 --> 02:39:35.239 yeah, you know, yeah, I mean and they and they should launch 2584 02:39:35.360 --> 02:39:39.319 The next one was Zelda. They're full on, they're full on xboxing it. 2585 02:39:39.719 --> 02:39:43.200 Yeah, four years to put it in the ground, but it seems 2586 02:39:43.319 --> 02:39:45.600 I don't know. I don't get the impression that they're xboxing it for the 2587 02:39:45.680 --> 02:39:48.760 same reason that the Xbox xbox Oh yeah, well I don't think they're xboxing 2588 02:39:48.799 --> 02:39:52.040 it to suddenly be like, oh yeah, now we're more powerful than PS 2589 02:39:52.079 --> 02:39:54.360 four and Xbox one. Like it's it's not they're not. It's because it 2590 02:39:54.399 --> 02:39:58.559 wasn't selling. Yeah, I mean like they just they need but they're they're 2591 02:39:58.639 --> 02:40:03.239 never They're not gonna enter that competitive right, Like I feel like people that 2592 02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:05.520 are out there, I just oh, yeah, it's gonna beat the No. 2593 02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:09.639 No, no, I just I just meant there retiring it like earlier 2594 02:40:09.719 --> 02:40:13.520 than you might have expected. Yeah, to begin with uh, Dalton has 2595 02:40:13.559 --> 02:40:18.719 a question when did video game become one word? I was watching Sudden Impact 2596 02:40:18.799 --> 02:40:20.760 and it was weird hearing Duvall pronounce it as two words. I don't know 2597 02:40:20.879 --> 02:40:24.200 what video game is two words. I don't know what he's talking about. 2598 02:40:24.239 --> 02:40:28.159 Yeah, video games two words? Fuck are you talking about? Wait? 2599 02:40:28.200 --> 02:40:30.520 How do you pronounced it differently? Though? Also also yes, how do 2600 02:40:30.559 --> 02:40:35.559 you pronounce a different way? Video game? Video game? Are you playing 2601 02:40:35.559 --> 02:40:41.559 a video game? Video game? Video game? Are you playing video game? 2602 02:40:41.040 --> 02:40:43.680 Occasionally? See it hyphenated, and that's the that's even worse. That 2603 02:40:43.840 --> 02:40:52.959 is even worse that camel case. No, no one's no one's that bad. 2604 02:40:54.200 --> 02:40:58.280 It's two words. End of story. James and La has a question. 2605 02:41:00.040 --> 02:41:01.680 You need some advice. I go to Starbucks across the street from my 2606 02:41:01.680 --> 02:41:05.920 apartment every morning to buy coffee. I have been doing this for the last 2607 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:09.600 year. One of the barristas thinks my name is Ryan. My name isn't 2608 02:41:09.639 --> 02:41:11.520 Ryan. My name is James. Pretty sure. She's been calling me Ryan 2609 02:41:11.600 --> 02:41:16.920 for at least six months at this point. Correcting her would be very uncomfortable. 2610 02:41:16.440 --> 02:41:18.600 What should I do? I don't want money, but I don't want 2611 02:41:18.639 --> 02:41:24.079 to be called Ryan anymore. Change his name to Ryan. Yeah, it's 2612 02:41:24.120 --> 02:41:28.000 the only sensible solutions. Make it ride, Just move on into your life. 2613 02:41:28.079 --> 02:41:31.520 Yeah, fix this thing. You would probably embarrass her to the point 2614 02:41:31.520 --> 02:41:35.559 of like a lot of free coffee. So maybe maybe correct her and it 2615 02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:37.479 would be funny. You guys would get a laugh. Yea, yeah, 2616 02:41:37.520 --> 02:41:43.520 there you go. Yes, all right, there's your advice. Let's two 2617 02:41:43.520 --> 02:41:46.600 a couple more emails real fast, Sam from Portland. I've been San Francisco 2618 02:41:46.680 --> 02:41:50.559 for the first time. It just spent an afternoon speaking to a guy from 2619 02:41:50.559 --> 02:41:52.920 Pedaluma, he says, there is a big mini horse farm up there. 2620 02:41:54.040 --> 02:41:56.639 Jeff, can you confirm? Yeah, it's I don't know where, but 2621 02:41:56.760 --> 02:41:58.440 yeah, I think there is. Wait, No, the horses are many, 2622 02:41:58.639 --> 02:42:01.799 or it's just a small horse farm. I think both. I don't 2623 02:42:01.799 --> 02:42:07.479 know. The little of the little dog's eyes. Yeah, those little ones. 2624 02:42:07.719 --> 02:42:09.639 I saw a couple of those when I went to and got pumpkins for 2625 02:42:09.719 --> 02:42:15.760 Halloween. There was a there were some tiny horses. Or there's a tiny 2626 02:42:15.799 --> 02:42:20.639 horse. There's also a real not I mean real is normal, so full 2627 02:42:22.959 --> 02:42:28.719 a horse of regular size, it's probably sure. Go on, they had 2628 02:42:28.760 --> 02:42:33.239 a pig too. Okay, it's not a hog fuck. I don't know 2629 02:42:33.680 --> 02:42:39.360 what's the difference. I don't do either. All right. It's a butter 2630 02:42:39.479 --> 02:42:43.639 next town, Butter next day parade coming up. I'd here, but I 2631 02:42:43.799 --> 02:42:46.600 believe it's while we're out at packs. So butter and eggs, butter next 2632 02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:48.920 day. Your heart, your heart is breaking. I'm sure, what's this? 2633 02:42:50.440 --> 02:42:54.079 It's a parade? Is it just about butter and eggs? Do you 2634 02:42:54.159 --> 02:42:56.319 like butter? Yeah? Do you like eggs? Yeah? Pedaloon is a 2635 02:42:56.319 --> 02:43:00.680 place for you. Well, I mean so so they get a Pedalouma is 2636 02:43:00.680 --> 02:43:03.600 a big chicken town, Like there are a lot of hatcheries and stuff. 2637 02:43:03.680 --> 02:43:07.840 Not so much anymore. But you know, originally my parents business, I 2638 02:43:07.879 --> 02:43:09.319 think was originally a hatchery. They found all kinds of documents. They're like, 2639 02:43:09.559 --> 02:43:13.479 open the attic about hatchery shit, like there's just yeah, there's just 2640 02:43:13.600 --> 02:43:20.159 it's it's as its roots in chicken. Billy Hatcher, Yeah, Billy Hatcher 2641 02:43:20.680 --> 02:43:22.360 and the giant eggs, the whole the whole time. They didn't just like 2642 02:43:22.920 --> 02:43:26.239 it wasn't just like my cousin is named Billy Hatcher was named after that. 2643 02:43:28.040 --> 02:43:30.159 I would give you shit, except I was the guy that took forever for 2644 02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:33.760 ash Ketchum and Miles Prower. Everybody. Everybody has their everybody has their phoenix 2645 02:43:33.799 --> 02:43:39.239 down moment. It happens to all of us. Yeah, buttern next Day 2646 02:43:39.280 --> 02:43:43.399 parade, if from what I remember of it, it's about getting drunk at 2647 02:43:43.440 --> 02:43:48.760 eleven am. Most parades, Yeah, okay, yeah, but they they 2648 02:43:48.920 --> 02:43:54.040 really cracked down on just drinking in the streets a few years ago and started 2649 02:43:54.040 --> 02:43:56.360 sitting up like beer gardens and they're like, you have to go here and 2650 02:43:56.440 --> 02:43:58.840 buy beer from these beer gardens, and like, what fun is that? 2651 02:44:00.639 --> 02:44:03.159 I mean, are there a bunch of eggs at this thing too? No, 2652 02:44:03.239 --> 02:44:05.399 I don't know. It's it's a parade. I mean there's an antique 2653 02:44:05.440 --> 02:44:09.159 fair the following day. It's I don't know, because eggs. Wait, 2654 02:44:09.159 --> 02:44:11.639 why do they call it butter and eggs? Because they're celebrating, because they're 2655 02:44:11.639 --> 02:44:13.959 also a bunch of dairies in the air. But there's not just a bunch 2656 02:44:13.959 --> 02:44:16.200 of stands selling like, hey, we've got the best eggs here. No, 2657 02:44:16.440 --> 02:44:18.319 because you can just go to any store and get eggs. You know, 2658 02:44:18.479 --> 02:44:20.799 you can go to farmer's market and get eggs. Yeah, they're just 2659 02:44:20.879 --> 02:44:22.600 celebrating all this. It's just like, hey, we make butter and we 2660 02:44:22.719 --> 02:44:26.559 make eggs. Here we'll celebrate that. Get on this Get on the back 2661 02:44:26.600 --> 02:44:30.200 of this truck and play this saxophone. Kid, And then I say, 2662 02:44:30.239 --> 02:44:35.559 all right, I'm in junior high, but to here we are? I 2663 02:44:35.639 --> 02:44:37.360 think butter and eggs are we're celebrating. That's the other thing I remember from 2664 02:44:37.399 --> 02:44:41.079 butter and eggs days, being on the back of a flatbread truck and playing 2665 02:44:41.120 --> 02:44:43.920 the saxophone. You know how to play the saxophone. Not so much anymore. 2666 02:44:45.079 --> 02:44:50.000 Okay, but at a time I did. Then the day drinking happened. 2667 02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:54.120 Well, now in sixth grade, forgot everything. Uh yeah, I 2668 02:44:54.200 --> 02:44:56.680 don't know. I have not been. I've not been since they tracked down 2669 02:44:56.760 --> 02:45:01.680 on the day drinking wherever you want respect of it. But it was it 2670 02:45:01.799 --> 02:45:03.799 was rough man because the bars are all open because they know, they know 2671 02:45:03.879 --> 02:45:07.319 why you're there, and then around two pm it's all over, and it's 2672 02:45:07.360 --> 02:45:11.879 two pm and you're just fucking wasted, and all the bars closed for like 2673 02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:15.680 four or five hours before they open again for the night. And then some 2674 02:45:15.760 --> 02:45:18.280 of them don't even open, like if things go bad, the bar might 2675 02:45:18.360 --> 02:45:20.120 just stay closed for the rest of the days the worst, because there's nothing 2676 02:45:20.200 --> 02:45:22.920 worse than the same day hangover. Yeah, yeah, yep, that's why 2677 02:45:22.959 --> 02:45:26.600 I don't like day drinking and general experience hangover without having slept before it. 2678 02:45:26.959 --> 02:45:30.959 Yeah, it's just, oh god, it's richet. Like you experienced the 2679 02:45:31.040 --> 02:45:35.280 transition from like everything's great. It sucks. You feel yourself drying out. 2680 02:45:35.559 --> 02:45:39.600 Yeah, the head starts hurting and just like, yeah, I don't drink 2681 02:45:39.639 --> 02:45:45.920 so much anymore and I don't miss it really Yeah, but it turns up 2682 02:45:46.159 --> 02:45:48.159 you feel better when you don't drink, I know, right, yeah, 2683 02:45:48.239 --> 02:45:52.319 like a lot weird how that works way better? Yeah, yeah, sleep 2684 02:45:52.399 --> 02:45:54.399 better. I just kind of got man, I didn't even stop for that 2685 02:45:54.479 --> 02:45:58.920 reason. I kind of just stopped because I got bored of it there too. 2686 02:46:00.079 --> 02:46:01.879 Yeah, it was just like, you know, I have a super 2687 02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:05.760 high tolerance, so I have to drink a lot for it to go anywhere, 2688 02:46:05.719 --> 02:46:09.319 for anything to happen, quote unquote, and then once it does, 2689 02:46:09.559 --> 02:46:15.760 it's kind of like, well, now this is happening. Now tomorrow is 2690 02:46:15.799 --> 02:46:18.879 gonna suck. I don't know, And I never really was. I never 2691 02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:22.120 really hangovers that that bad. Okay. I think I probably stopped right m 2692 02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:24.959 in the time that I would have probably started feeling more hangovers. All the 2693 02:46:24.959 --> 02:46:28.319 stuff they say about as you get older and that's a hitting harder, but 2694 02:46:28.440 --> 02:46:31.399 that's very true. Like every year is hard with that stuff. Ye usually 2695 02:46:31.520 --> 02:46:35.680 usually kind of late late twenties, around thirty is when it starts catching up 2696 02:46:35.680 --> 02:46:37.799 with you. I'm thirty one, and oh I feel like I didn't. 2697 02:46:37.799 --> 02:46:41.000 It didn't really start hitting me until I was probably like thirty six or so. 2698 02:46:41.840 --> 02:46:46.000 Thirties, Yeah, mid mid to late even for me, But it's 2699 02:46:46.079 --> 02:46:48.799 hit me so yeah, I got a temper of my stuff with butter and 2700 02:46:50.040 --> 02:46:52.799 Adville, but I really good hangovers. I don't know, well, I 2701 02:46:52.840 --> 02:46:54.600 feel like it's like it's like right up to like twenty eight twenty nine, 2702 02:46:54.639 --> 02:46:56.959 you're just infencible, you know, like it doesn't even phaze you. And 2703 02:46:58.040 --> 02:47:01.920 that's when it starts kicking in a little bit. But then yeah, mid 2704 02:47:01.959 --> 02:47:05.799 thirties, it's like you're weighing the cost benefit. Ye. Well, I 2705 02:47:05.840 --> 02:47:09.920 would just fucking hate myself tomorrow. I would just have like when I would 2706 02:47:09.959 --> 02:47:11.040 get a hangover, it would just be like, well, this whole day 2707 02:47:11.079 --> 02:47:13.799 has gone. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, well, I'm gonna 2708 02:47:13.840 --> 02:47:16.680 walk I'm gonna shuffle around this house really slowly, like I'm not in a 2709 02:47:16.760 --> 02:47:20.280 lot of pain. I'm just dried out and dumb. I'm just walking on 2710 02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:24.840 going yep. Or we're so pissed once because me and Tim Terry and Ben 2711 02:47:24.920 --> 02:47:28.280 Hans went to Japan for this metal gear trip and we're up all night doing 2712 02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:31.719 this Japanese karaoke thing and just kept bringing tray after tray of drinks left. 2713 02:47:31.799 --> 02:47:35.399 It was like light outside and we all wake up super hungover and none of 2714 02:47:35.479 --> 02:47:39.360 us could do anything like the closest food was a Japanese Hooters next door, 2715 02:47:39.600 --> 02:47:43.959 which we're in Japan eating like shitty Hooters wings, and then we just spend 2716 02:47:43.000 --> 02:47:46.280 the entire day in bed and it's just like, well, we're in fucking 2717 02:47:46.399 --> 02:47:50.200 Japan. This is amazing the whole day and we are doing absolutely nothing with 2718 02:47:50.280 --> 02:47:52.959 her. It's terrible. Oh it's the worst. Yeah, that's super terrible. 2719 02:47:54.159 --> 02:47:58.360 I have not it's only really I've never I never went to Rapungi and 2720 02:47:58.440 --> 02:48:01.360 did any of like the nightlife Japan stuff, like we would get big beers 2721 02:48:01.360 --> 02:48:05.440 and drinking in the hotel room while we wrote stories, yeah, and then 2722 02:48:05.520 --> 02:48:09.399 shipped them back to America for proofreading. My I only went to a punky 2723 02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:13.040 once, and my memory of that was we were walking along the street and 2724 02:48:13.079 --> 02:48:15.079 some guy who spoke English. It was like, hey, you guys, 2725 02:48:15.280 --> 02:48:16.520 you guys like girls. We're like yeah, it's like, oh, come 2726 02:48:16.600 --> 02:48:20.920 a club tit, club tit, and like what it's not called club tit? 2727 02:48:20.200 --> 02:48:22.239 And he walks us up the stairs this thing and it just says club 2728 02:48:22.319 --> 02:48:26.680 tit on its phone. We didn't go in, but it existed. It's 2729 02:48:26.879 --> 02:48:30.200 truth in advertising. Yeah, good to know, all right. Two more 2730 02:48:30.280 --> 02:48:33.319 emails. I swear to God, you have two minutes to address this email, 2731 02:48:33.360 --> 02:48:35.799 and that is fucking it. I'm gonna read it. It's from Hamza 2732 02:48:35.920 --> 02:48:41.000 in Winnipeg. I'm kind of curious as to why so many video game people 2733 02:48:41.079 --> 02:48:46.319 are into or formerly were into wrestling. Multiple video game related podcasts that I 2734 02:48:46.360 --> 02:48:48.399 listened to you recently brought up and talked about the WrestleMania event that Dan went 2735 02:48:48.479 --> 02:48:54.079 to, not to mention Paxomania itself being a wrestling event held in what is 2736 02:48:54.159 --> 02:48:58.079 generally considered to be a video game convention. Is it by happenstance that I 2737 02:48:58.399 --> 02:49:01.000 listened to people who like wrestling or is they particular? Is there a particular 2738 02:49:01.079 --> 02:49:05.319 link between the video games and wrestling that I'm missing? There's the Peter Pan 2739 02:49:05.399 --> 02:49:09.559 syndrome where no one ever grows up ever, and we've become completely fucking infantile 2740 02:49:11.120 --> 02:49:16.959 idiots really want all right. My theory on it is ability to let go 2741 02:49:16.040 --> 02:49:20.120 of things you grew up with totally. It's just like video games and comic 2742 02:49:20.159 --> 02:49:22.239 books have a big link, right. A lot of fans are fans of 2743 02:49:22.360 --> 02:49:24.600 both, sure, and when when I look at it, like I never 2744 02:49:24.639 --> 02:49:26.479 got really into comic books, but I think wrestling was a similar thing. 2745 02:49:26.559 --> 02:49:31.639 It's these big dramatic good versus evil storylines, these over the top characters, 2746 02:49:31.719 --> 02:49:35.200 very flashy catchphrases, all this shit. So I mean tons of people like 2747 02:49:35.319 --> 02:49:37.040 both. I know a lot of people are like comics. Yeah, I 2748 02:49:37.239 --> 02:49:41.280 just video used to almost feel like a one or one of three choices. 2749 02:49:41.360 --> 02:49:45.319 You went down one road and you can only one it was the wrestling road, 2750 02:49:45.559 --> 02:49:48.639 the anime road, or the comics road. I mean, I think 2751 02:49:48.680 --> 02:49:50.719 there are tons of people that are into all that stuff like now and you 2752 02:49:50.760 --> 02:49:52.959 know nowadays, Yeah, what if you if you didn't go down any of 2753 02:49:54.000 --> 02:49:58.760 them, then you played and you're an adult fuck Like for me it was 2754 02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.120 it's in Enger movies. Yeah, I mean I had that too, that 2755 02:50:03.239 --> 02:50:07.319 Ben diagram over lab for sure. I still love him. Yeah, yeah, 2756 02:50:07.639 --> 02:50:11.920 let's watch command I don't want to watch Commando. Command is a good 2757 02:50:11.959 --> 02:50:16.600 movie. It's a great That lighthouse blows up a lot m It does the 2758 02:50:16.719 --> 02:50:22.760 same lighthouse from different angles. It's six times all right, last email with 2759 02:50:22.799 --> 02:50:31.479 a claymore mine of course, front toward Lighthouse. Peter in Pittsburgh writes in 2760 02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:35.799 says this, after hearing you guys read the email on the last bodcast from 2761 02:50:35.799 --> 02:50:39.600 the woman who was looking for a list of five Nintendo games to get her 2762 02:50:39.639 --> 02:50:43.159 started. I got to thinking about the other side of that coin of five 2763 02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:50.000 Sega games. Whereas it's obvious yes, whereas it's obvious that Mario and Zelda 2764 02:50:50.040 --> 02:50:54.600 should definitely appear, perhaps more than once on a Nintendo list, many Saga 2765 02:50:54.680 --> 02:50:58.799 franchises deserve acknowledgment. So after some pondering, I came up with out Run 2766 02:51:00.600 --> 02:51:03.760 Arcade Full Cabinet Preferable, one of the finest arcade games ever, Iconic fun 2767 02:51:03.840 --> 02:51:09.120 and cool, Sonic three, Slash, Sonic, and Knuckles. Damn gotta 2768 02:51:09.159 --> 02:51:11.559 have one Sonic title, right, So we're not choose the one that was 2769 02:51:11.639 --> 02:51:15.399 so big they had to split it into two cartridges. Better. It's the 2770 02:51:15.520 --> 02:51:18.120 grandest, the most fun, and yeah, it's also an excuse to talk 2771 02:51:18.120 --> 02:51:22.200 about Michael Jackson Fantasy Star four, the best Genesis RPG, one of Sega's 2772 02:51:22.200 --> 02:51:28.559 and the industry's finest Virtual A Fighter two. Arcade VA five is probably a 2773 02:51:28.680 --> 02:51:31.440 more refined, better game, but damn VF two is so good and to 2774 02:51:31.479 --> 02:51:37.440 oh that soundtrack, uh, and Yaka's a five while I've barely touched the 2775 02:51:37.520 --> 02:51:41.280 series. This is definitely the best representation of Sega today, A fun, 2776 02:51:41.399 --> 02:51:46.040 open world, holy Japanese adventure. I feel bad leaving the likes of jet 2777 02:51:46.079 --> 02:51:48.399 Set, Radio, Panzer, Alex Kidd, Daytona, Echo, Pso, 2778 02:51:48.600 --> 02:51:50.959 et cetera off the list. What you Gotta Do, What you Got to 2779 02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:54.799 Do? Yeah, I think it's it's hard. It's that it gets into 2780 02:51:54.840 --> 02:51:56.719 that question of like, are any of these games actually relevant in a modern 2781 02:51:56.840 --> 02:52:01.520 context or are you trying to pick five games that represent what you feel like 2782 02:52:01.639 --> 02:52:07.360 Sega was, especially because Sega now is so Yeah, nothing like picking five 2783 02:52:07.399 --> 02:52:09.799 games is hard because you're picking games from across Like like Sega had eras, 2784 02:52:09.879 --> 02:52:13.000 right, I mean, Sega had its arcade era where you had like, 2785 02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:16.799 uh, like Sega Ninja or like Ninja Princess or whatever it was. You 2786 02:52:16.879 --> 02:52:20.239 had like like all these kind of Sega games from the eighties. Uh, 2787 02:52:20.319 --> 02:52:24.280 and then you know you'd skip a lot of the Master System stuff. I 2788 02:52:24.319 --> 02:52:26.479 think, but you know you have the Genesis where you got like Revenge of 2789 02:52:26.520 --> 02:52:28.719 Shinobi. You've got talked about hang On that way. I mean no, 2790 02:52:28.799 --> 02:52:33.479 I mean hang On His vital is an arcade game, but also out Run 2791 02:52:33.639 --> 02:52:37.680 is better and sort of similar. So yeah to me. And then you 2792 02:52:37.760 --> 02:52:41.239 have the Dreamcast era. You know, it really defines Sega. What what 2793 02:52:41.360 --> 02:52:45.239 Sega does is ten don't Oh yeah, okay, I'm gonna put it that 2794 02:52:45.319 --> 02:52:48.479 way. So if you pick those five games are Chamelion, Rice Star, 2795 02:52:50.559 --> 02:52:56.000 there's a Seaman five times, Dynamite, Yeah, Dynamite heady hmmm. My 2796 02:52:56.120 --> 02:53:01.200 favorite era of Sega is like Genesis into Model two territory. Like I feel 2797 02:53:01.239 --> 02:53:03.239 like that was these good times. I know, I know, I know 2798 02:53:03.360 --> 02:53:05.559 people like the Saturn and Dreamcast have their super fans picked. Yeah, I 2799 02:53:05.559 --> 02:53:09.639 actually like she a lot. I'd put my five. I've been thinking about 2800 02:53:09.680 --> 02:53:13.120 Samba Day Amigo a lot. Really that game is great and it really that 2801 02:53:13.280 --> 02:53:18.399 soundtrack is fan It's right. Both of those games you play with the moroccas 2802 02:53:18.479 --> 02:53:20.840 or what you can play with the controller, all right, I wouldn't play 2803 02:53:20.840 --> 02:53:24.000 with controller, I'm not. I've mainly played with controller. Why would you 2804 02:53:24.079 --> 02:53:26.559 do that? I can't remember. If it was just used it was cheaper 2805 02:53:26.680 --> 02:53:28.239 at game stop if you got it without the moroccas, like I would play 2806 02:53:28.239 --> 02:53:31.360 it at work at Funk or game stop with the moroccas. But then I 2807 02:53:31.440 --> 02:53:35.639 had the home version without him, so we would I mean that was when 2808 02:53:35.680 --> 02:53:37.879 we were covering TGS a lot, so we would go to arcades and play 2809 02:53:37.959 --> 02:53:41.079 that version there in Japan, and then when it was coming out here, 2810 02:53:41.120 --> 02:53:45.440 it was finally like, oh my god, I bought that Chicato tambourine game 2811 02:53:45.799 --> 02:53:48.280 with like Mini Mooney, you like them? No idea? What you're talking? 2812 02:53:48.680 --> 02:53:52.840 Are you into mini money? What's Mini Mooney? They're girl group more 2813 02:53:52.920 --> 02:53:56.120 of a Morning Mussum. Well there's they're they're a Morning mussa may spin off? 2814 02:53:56.200 --> 02:53:58.959 Oh really? So yeah, okay, in arcades, the Tambourine game 2815 02:54:00.239 --> 02:54:03.360 was not a minimoney game. It was when they brought it home for PS 2816 02:54:03.479 --> 02:54:07.399 one that they decided to slap it full of J pop. We have a 2817 02:54:07.440 --> 02:54:13.079 different brand like that Hackemony Miso. Yeah, like absolutely, these are my 2818 02:54:13.159 --> 02:54:16.799 favorites. Of these are real people favorite How co many misos? Remember the 2819 02:54:16.840 --> 02:54:20.600 girl? It's just this mommy just like yeah, yeah, the best? 2820 02:54:22.840 --> 02:54:30.399 Uh yeah, isn't morning us may like ANUDOS situation. I think graduated cycle 2821 02:54:30.639 --> 02:54:33.479 cycle in there. There have been dozens of them. They're like nine thousand 2822 02:54:33.559 --> 02:54:37.120 numbers currently. And then Minimony is like the minor leagues. So I don't 2823 02:54:37.120 --> 02:54:37.719 know if anyone to still exists. I don't know. I don't know if 2824 02:54:37.719 --> 02:54:41.760 Morning mus May still exist j pop Farm. I remember like Morning Muss May 2825 02:54:41.799 --> 02:54:43.639 had their TV show and there was that one episode where the one girl goes 2826 02:54:43.719 --> 02:54:46.760 like like they're trying to teach English and so it's this the girl holding up 2827 02:54:46.760 --> 02:54:50.399 an orange and going orange, and that was really funny to me. We 2828 02:54:50.479 --> 02:54:54.120 found that really funny around these parts. What's Tommy February six up two these 2829 02:54:54.239 --> 02:54:58.879 days? I don't know if Brilliant Green is putting out an album next or 2830 02:54:58.959 --> 02:55:01.200 what the deal is, but I think it Tommy Tommy Heavenly album. They 2831 02:55:01.200 --> 02:55:05.920 have come out, okay last year. She kind of switches back and forth, 2832 02:55:05.040 --> 02:55:09.600 right Yeah. Yeah. As as the situation, of course, as 2833 02:55:09.639 --> 02:55:13.680 the need the pendulum pendulum of pop versus Smashing Pumpkins esque rock, It's the 2834 02:55:13.760 --> 02:55:18.079 true, the true Yin and Yang February versus Heavenly. Yeah. I think 2835 02:55:18.159 --> 02:55:24.319 one of the releases was literally called that Wow Step. That could be wrong. 2836 02:55:24.360 --> 02:55:28.239 I'm probably wrong. Bombcasttgenibomb dot com. That is it for emails and 2837 02:55:28.360 --> 02:55:33.120 thus the podcast. It's quite a weef stuff that happened. Yeah, things 2838 02:55:33.159 --> 02:55:35.879 have popped off. Yeah, let's getting real. It's hell of a show. 2839 02:55:35.040 --> 02:55:39.440 Talks about lart, bang and J pop and yeah, kin all our 2840 02:55:39.440 --> 02:55:43.280 favorite things. Yes, indeed, you guys are going to packs this week. 2841 02:55:43.440 --> 02:55:46.120 Yeah, yeah, have fun. Three of the five in the room, 2842 02:55:46.559 --> 02:55:48.719 that's right, Yes, yeah's going. Who's on the panel here, 2843 02:55:50.319 --> 02:55:54.760 it's uh, Jason and Brad and Rory are running the panel, okay, 2844 02:55:54.879 --> 02:55:56.959 yeah, and then the rest of us are not going. No, it's 2845 02:55:56.959 --> 02:56:01.120 the opposite, that's what it was. Yeah, we're gonna go out there 2846 02:56:01.159 --> 02:56:05.159 and we'll do our panel Friday night, and then there's a bunch of other 2847 02:56:05.399 --> 02:56:07.680 dumb stuff popping off around there. So indeed, never know. Yeah, 2848 02:56:07.879 --> 02:56:11.879 keep eyes on the back of your gotta keep your head on swivel, because 2849 02:56:11.879 --> 02:56:15.079 you never know. We'll be around. What's gonna happen next? Come stay 2850 02:56:15.159 --> 02:56:18.879 high, that's not sinister at all. Come say hello. Uh, we'll 2851 02:56:18.920 --> 02:56:22.040 be here finding something to do. Yeah, streams on streams, do some 2852 02:56:22.079 --> 02:56:24.319 stuff. We'll put video on the internet in some capacity. Yeah, I've 2853 02:56:24.319 --> 02:56:28.319 got some ideas. Yeah, that's kind of have an idea. Yeah, 2854 02:56:28.719 --> 02:56:31.680 we'll see how things go, see if it works. Stuff will happen, 2855 02:56:31.319 --> 02:56:35.520 all right, Well, then let's get the hell out of here. Thank 2856 02:56:35.520 --> 02:56:37.319 you for listening. This has been the Giant BombCast. We will see you 2857 02:56:37.719 --> 02:56:39.760 back here, same time next week.