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Are they or are they not?
I' m friends who are or s

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so hi how do you like it? I' m Luis Miguel Salgado.

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For me it is a privilege,
a pleasure and an honor. To accompany

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us in one more chapter of what
a good question. I' m really

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happy today because an exceptional woman is
with me. You have ever heard the

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term female medicine, the term man
medicine, surely because there is a book

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out there circulating, that you have
to look for these kinds of people,

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people medicines, no or people vitamins. They are also known, and the

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truth is that for me it is
quite a privilege. Presenting Natalia, Natalia

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Carrillo, she' s a medicine
woman. We' ll talk from your

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worldview. Evidently, why? Like
when, what this is all about,

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but it' s an honor for
me to join us. It' s

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today, nat Natalia Carrillo, how
you are. Welcome, Hi Aley Miguel,

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well well, very happy, really
of this invitation you' re giving

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me. I' m really feeling
prada. Thank you so much for this

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invitation. And, well, I
also confess you a little nervous because there

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' s nothing prepared, I mean, I don' t know what you

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' re going to ask. And
that' s great, because it'

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s a very, very nice challenge. So do I. Thank you very

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much And let me, let me
tell you, Natalia, that I have

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never told all my guests absolutely anything. Then it gets good, good,

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and then there are questions that I' m telling you about Let me introduce

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you please to my guest as she
deserves. Natalia Carrillo is a woman of

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medicine from the Andean worldview. For
more than five years she started a project

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dedicated to women, called from woman
to woman with Natalia Carrillo, where the

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intention was to bring a positive message
and the expansion of awareness of the women

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who attended these talks. Now the
Community has grown both face to face and

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virtual, but above all it has
evolved, because it has become an inclusive

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community where men, thank you,
not what good, men and women participate

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and connect with their deepest being and
it is to notice how important it is

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to live in consciousness, how important
it is to connect with our being,

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to connect truly and authentically, not
as some coaches who tell you leave this

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little curly or some of those who
call themselves coaches who see a Facebook cursito

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most of someone else and call themselves
coaches. Natalia has found her personal and

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spiritual development. For this reason,
it has now become the project that carries

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the message of it, which is
to be in balance. And this is

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a wonder, because, obviously,
if we, we could really find balance

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in everything we do in our being
in our way of thinking, of speaking,

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of feeling, of listening, of
transmitting, of sharing, really believe

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me that we would be other people
and we would be living another reality.

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Soluis Miguel Salgado and all of you, as I always tell you, if

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that' s okay with you,
let' s start, Natalia, I

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like you again. Welcome and good. The question I always ask all my

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guests is a mandatory question for anyone
who wants to participate with me. This

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is the guillotine. And before I
talk about everything you' ve done,

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about your achievements, how your project
was born, etcetera, I' d

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love to talk about taking away all
the medals, what you studied, what

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you didn' t, etcetera.
Who' s Natalia Carrillo. Welcome,

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good. I think that' s
a question that could be complicated after a

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while. It' s very easy, Natalia Carrillo, because it' s

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me, it' s me and
everything I am in every way, with

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my lights, with my shadows,
a true woman, since speaking of gender,

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because I' m a woman who
has been allowed to meet, to

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recognize herself, a woman who has
allowed herself to evolve, to progress and,

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above all, to grow, to
learn And I think she looks,

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for example, many times when they
go with me, she tells me that

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I don' t know who I
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' Cause you' re the one, right now. I mean in the

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sense that we' re never the
same. I don' t mean,

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I evolved and I' m someone
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So the one that is now is
this woman who meets every day, who

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recognizes herself and who learns from everything
that father hears, Right now, I

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listened to you and you said I
evolved. It can evolve, involve,

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that is, in the opposite direction, instead of growing, shrinking, diminishing,

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It can go backwards for lack of
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of respect. You can involve,
I think you can, in the sense

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that all life is change or all
is change and sometimes the processes that we

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have in our life make us feel
at that moment at the best, small,

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small. But it doesn' t
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I think it' s something important
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we never got stuck. We'
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and feel bad, feel sad,
small, as you say, with a

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lack of self- love, with
shortcomings, with needs, but we also

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change and evolve and feel better.
So, from the point of being constantly

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changing, I think we can do
both the moment the circumstance requires. Now.

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I ask you about this because there
are people who tell us and I

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know particularly one in particular that says
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I, it' s like this, like this, I' m not

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going to change. I' m
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myself so much. And the truth
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slightest intention of changing, they don' t have the slightest intention of moving.

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This person feels perfect, feels unique, feels special. And I think

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that' s also a mistake,
a serious mistake. Not because, obviously,

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you just said it very well.
Everything changes, everything changes, everything

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changes. The world revolves and,
evidently, the world if the world turns

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everything in it, obviously we tend
to change. However, those people who

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are afraid of change, those people
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apex, those people who don'
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them. That is where the greatest
number of problems arise. No Natalia notice

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what you said, this person says
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special good I support that person in
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re all unique and special. I' d say Luis Miguel. There'

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s no one in the world in
the universe who' s like you being

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the only one and that' s
why he' s special and on the

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subject of saying I don' t
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I consider it more than a pretext
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However, I am sure that if
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that person will realize that he has
changed at best, not in what we

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expect, in what we want or
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However, I' m sure he' s changed, he' s

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not the same person. But sometimes
this part of saying that is like I

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don' t let you tell me
what to do. I don' t

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allow myself, but it' s
my pretext. But from what this zebra

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has changed, from what it has
made clear, because, obviously, there

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are now people who change because the
literal time changes them, not because it

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goes to their body. It'
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ve lived experiences, because what you
order and command. However, I think

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it does take a change of conscience, as you say. There is no

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lack of this part of having a
clear conscience and of having a conscience that,

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evidently, allows them to recognize their
mistakes and transform their lives. Now

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please tell me a little bit about
this concept of woman medicine and why the

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Andean worldview and not another worldview,
as I can be. I don'

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t know about a Latin American worldview, because maybe some Mayan worldview, some

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worldview, I don' t know
about any other culture. Tell me,

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yes, note that I also at
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remembered that, since I was little
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I listened to, for example,
the condor' s song happens as if

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it wasn' t hin or so
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all that way I' m back
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I know it. If you want, let' s have a mayonero song,

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grab on. I don' t
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music. So I didn' t
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was even weird, not that at
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I was listening to that music.
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that' s what I call my
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said. I met an Argentine teacher
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me well, she told me about
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her. In fact, I'
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now. She' s my teacher
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there, with all her classes,
everything she does, everything she does just

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a little bit came to Mexico last
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As a priestess and I entered my
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Then it' s Andean. Then
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that connected me a lot. I
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for example, to the Mayan culture, and they talk about the highlights

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of this whole issue, but I
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not something that has called me,
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And then it' s something I
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concept that is called from woman to
woman with Natalia Carrillo who evidently now came

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in men, because I think she
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the men' s group. Evidently, and speaking of genres, I don

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' t understand the life of other
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and female gender. The jin and
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the top and bottom of the right
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it' s exactly the moon.
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and well, here I don'
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your life, but at least this
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tell you is how important it is
for you. You' ve opened and

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you' ve received men, why. Because we do a conjunction. There

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are groups that are exclusively women,
there are groups exclusively of men, but

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men have noticed the two neurons we
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hungry. We have realized that,
of course, women are extremely important.

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Moreover, I dare say that you, as women by gender, are superior

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to us because you have other abilities, you have a way of working.

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You guys are multitasking, we'
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that joke. But we can'
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park and we have to turn down
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we don' t think it'
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that' s putting out the tras. No, then I explain here.

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The interesting thing is that you give
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experience of before men participated and now, please, good. I would like

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to comment first on why I initiated
this project with women. Ok I started

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him like women, because I made
a change in myself and I said the

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fla phrase Luis Miguel was all women
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ferr to live than not. It' s all what they told us I

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had to do, not to be
quieter than we are. We can be

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free, we can live alone or
with ourselves. As I say happy truth,

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because I knew and from my own
experience a concept of couple where you

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have to be. Anyway, truth
and well, I changed that part of

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me I said women have to know, they have to have other information.

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So I wanted to work with women
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women, women and in the process
that' s why I put evolution,

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because this already Natalia evolves and says
to see Natalia, if you want balance

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in your life, not everything is
the female you have that well, you

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have to decide to have this balance
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I say male welcome, not also
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energy and the male and female energy
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said being in balance. To be
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to be female, but also this
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And something very interesting happened, because
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childhood wounds for men, that of
healing, of female lineage for men,

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with rite of uterus. And then
men mention thalya is to wait. I

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don' t have a uterus.
How you' re gonna heal the uterus.

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you come from one of a kind. We' re going to heal that

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uterus and all the uteruses that come
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that was called a healing man.
It was a wonderful challenge because for starters,

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a lot of people were telling me
how you' re going to be

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with men. You' re gonna
teach them if you' re a woman.

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Yeah, then I' ll answer
my question and so on. The

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comment is that men are also human
beings and also feel and have many needs,

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many deficiencies and, above all,
have so many things inside their hearts,

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because they were told to shut up. Don' t cry, don

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' t say, don' t
express me. And then, but in

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the end, when we were in
retirement, I fell in love with all

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the men. I said how beautiful
real men are, because they have a

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zote heart that' s what they
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of women, their strength is in
the uterus and men in the heart and

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they' ve turned them off so
much that they can' t. You

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' re telling me and I even
want the truth. It' s just

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that I want to tell you that
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doing this, what a bonus that
you' re doing, how good that

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you' re projecting it this way, because, obviously, the female energy

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and the male energy in a woman
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and the female energy of a man, of a male. So, obviously,

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that' s why we have such
a deep connection with women and you

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with us, with men. Now, tell us a little bit about what

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the Community is about, what they
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what they share what information if someone
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I can locate them, etcetera.
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Mexico. Here we do retreats in
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we do workshops. Also something I
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' s a wonderful pairing type,
which I love. I love couples because

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they go and I tell them it' s not that you have a problem

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already with your partner, but that
you discover a different way to love yes

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to the one we were taught,
Dad and Mom. I' m not

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telling you what Dad and Mom were
like. Well, this is it.

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Well, they taught you because I
really think I think you might notice that

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that' s a sorry one You' re intruding really ugly, but I

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just want to cut something short.
The truth is, they didn' t

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teach us. Well, at least
to me, my parents never taught me

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how to treat a couple. There
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least of my generation, the parents. He was a father among fifty eighty

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of my companions, a single father
or a single couple who told him to

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see. You treat a woman like
that. You treat a man like that

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and he was reciprocal. You know
what I mean. A man is treated

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like this, a woman is treated
like this and with respect. But really

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the parents never taught us, at
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assure you that also in these new
generations no one teaches how to treat the

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couple. Luis Miguel, if I
told you that your parents did, you

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taught me yes, because, obviously, I believe that, from what I

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saw from his testimony, so you
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them. How Dad treated Mom,
How Mom tattooed Dad, How Mom treated

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you like Dad treated you, so
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you, consciously or unconsciously, whether
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seen you treated your partner and someone
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m not with my dad. I
told him, okay, you learned it,

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your dad, I don' t
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somehow, yes, I mean,
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but you did see it and come
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couples talks. We make women'
s circles. We also do workshops face

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- to- face, in a
virtual way, for example, people who

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are not here in Zacatecas. I' ve got training. I train women

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to be women' s cycles guides. He also made stop healing the female

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lineage and right now. I haven' t opened, because I did have

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but not open virtual circles. But
a hundred formations. Then, there we

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could be for people who are out
at retreats as well. They can come,

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they have come to the women'
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that is, from Mexico City,
from other sides. So it' s

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not like impediment instead not also ok
ok. So the interesting thing here is

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that if you want to participate,
there' s the instagram appearing on your

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screen. Natalia Carrillo, medicine woman. There you can find her on Facebook,

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you can find her as a woman
to a woman with Natalia Carrillo and

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they are also in Spotify Natalia Carrillo, Woman Medicine, and evidently, they

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are appearing. But I also told
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us. And, well, I' d love Natalia to be able to

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ask you different things. No good
questions, no good answers, no bad

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answers, just questions. So let' s play with the imaginary. Let

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' s know a little bit how
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you think, etcetera. And I' d love to know, for starters,

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that you told us. Imagine you
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battery, but not the other day
he told me, sir, I won

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the lottery and I really did,
yes and how much he won. If

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it' s not registration, oh, I earned 300 pesos and then he

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told me but it' s the
lottery. Yeah, dream, but well,

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we imagine you win the lottery and
you earn$ 140 billion, that

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is, an amount of money.
What are you doing with all that money?

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Natalia, I spend it, I
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if I already earned it, it' s because I deserve it,

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then I take it. I say
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Yes, to life, yes to
everything. Then yes, I take

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it and do whatever comes to me. I want to buy everything I want

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at the time, and I do
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know right now that I feel like
it. Okay, I take what'

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s coming to me and I'
m fine, I' ve been afraid

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of those millions. How wonderful.
What is the achievement. I know you

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' ve had a lot of achievements
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I' m not asking you about
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personal achievement. It can be professional, personal, family, etcetera. What

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has been your greatest achievement or one
of your greatest achievements in life. Look,

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Luis Miguel, what it was like
to find me awaken my conscience.

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That has been my greatest achievement.
I mean, really, if you'

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d known Natalia maybe, not so
much about maybe six seven years ago,

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it has nothing to do with this
Natalia. Nothing, absolutely nothing. And

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I say this is better achievement,
because every day, every day, I

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seek to be my best version.
I say I' m always better than

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yesterday, always, always because I
learn something new. I read a lot,

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I like to read a lot,
I like to prepare a lot,

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I like to do challenging things.
I say this I did it because I

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raised my conscience. Then my greatest
achievement is to have awakened my consciousness.

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And now ask yourself what your greatest
fear has been, the greatest fear you

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' ve ever faced. Notice that
the greatest fear was at some point loneliness.

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It' s something that many people
have happened to us, that we

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' re where maybe we don'
t have to be out of fear,

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alone in between. That' s
been my biggest fear in a long time.

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Not anymore and still how you'
ve faced it. You could say

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that you' ve already overcome it
or you' re still working on it

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no longer tested out. Miguel Teruis, Miguel, I overcame it precisely by

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facing my demons, ok, coming
to the depths of my pain, that

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is to say, to loneliness,
arriving and encounter the loneliness as I felt

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it with that fear, I have
realized that many times there are people I

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tell myself at that moment that we
do not leave this area because we do

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not get to touch with the pain, with the deep pain. But what

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we don' t know is that
when we come across this deep pain,

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all we have left is to move
forward. Then how I got over it

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like this by facing my loneliness.
Now tell me something. Right now you

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said deep pain. There' s
beauty in deep pain. Of course,

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pain is necessary in life Luis Miguel, it is necessary to grow. When

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we do not climb into pain,
we remain in deep suffering. And Buddha

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said it I didn' t say
it. Pain is necessary. Suffering is

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a decision. Then many people stay
in suffering all their lives for not facing

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the pain when they already have the
pain. There' s beauty, of

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course, if you could change your
job, what you would have liked to

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be. There' s something you' d say, son It' s

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so lame. This is amazing,
but I would have loved to be a

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dancer. I wanted to dance Yeah, I could see myself dancing, right.

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I didn' t do it at
the time. Right now, because

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I don' t do it,
right, but when was the last time

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you danced for you when you notice
that I do it in the retreats seconds

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soon we are wonderful campfires and we
dance around the fire and you feel the

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medical music that is called, this
music that we like, that I like

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and so I do. Now I
dance differently in the fire, not or

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hear. And now we' re
going to think that if you had to

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take a sabbatical year, a whole
year, not work on what you'

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re doing and have this year forget
about the money, there' s no

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money limit, but you could travel
all year. First question, you travel

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to one place or you travel several
places and second, where you would like

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to travel. You have a full
year to walk from top to bottom great,

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because well, I went to a
lot of places, I went all

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day to everyone. My first detimels
would be Peru, which is already in

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the door. I' m going
to Peru, in July I' m

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going to know what I want,
what I like, what I learned to

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go. I didn' t go
to Chiapas and I say why I didn

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' t go. Also, I
mean, going to a lot of places.

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I' d go this one.
I would very much like to travel

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my country first and then I will
go elsewhere, for example, to Proes,

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to Europe. I' d have
to go ok to Egypt, I

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' d love to, I don' t know if China, but I

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' d go wherever I went.
I love traveling, I love it,

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I love it wonderful. Now tell
me something suddenly. One makes expectations of

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people, things, places. One
to their expectations, right now, you

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call me ay. I would love
to go to Peru, I don'

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t know, I haven' t
been told I don' t know Peru,

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but I' ve been told that
it' s very nice and that

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the train trip is wonderful, that
the train is an incredible experience, that

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it looks like you' re traveling
through Europe. No, but it'

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s amazing like a Latin American train
with excellent services and so on. But

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to tell you that I once went
to Europe and I had a huge yearning

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to meet Amsterdam. No. I
was saying I want to meet Amsterdam and

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it' s the dream. And
he made me go to Amsterdam and let

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me down in a terrible way.
Check it out, at least for me.

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I was made a city of Mexico, of course, with some pretty

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colonies, like the countess, like
a rome, but suddenly I said no.

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This is not the Amsterdam that I
was excited about thinking about why we

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manage expectation, why, suddenly,
on a project, on a person,

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on a trip, why we inject
that expectation. We inflate him, well,

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I think that the subject of us
thinking for example, you say on

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a trip, but to turn him
into a person in any situation is like

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what we crave from what we want, from what we need at the moment.

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I need a trip that makes me
feel this and I say yes,

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there it is and that' s
how I' m going to live it,

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but you' re already creating it
based on your own need. Okay,

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what you feel about what you lack
maybe and you come and say.

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This won' t do the same
as it does with a person you'

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re so disappointed with, you say, oh, but I put too much,

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because those expectations are in your need
of the other person. In this

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case, surely for many people Amsterdan
would be a wonderful place, of course,

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but for Luis Miguel it was not
because his need did not cover it.

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It' s a great thing to
do. Hey, tell us,

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please, what have been, speaking
of trips, the best vacation you'

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ve ever taken. So tell him, son, the truth is, I

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had an amazing time at my place
this day. I didn' t go

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out or travel to such a place. Tell us, what have been the

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best vacations? It would be hard
to tell you, because one thing I

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have, Luis Miguel, is that
I enjoy everything, right now. What

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I' m doing with you is
my best interview, that is, everything

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I enjoy and right now you want, for example, about Amsterdam' s

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disappointment. I thought you were gonna
ask something else, like if you'

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re disappointed, I' d tell
you I didn' t tell you.

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Long ago a word like that to
all yes to money, but also to

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the challenges that life presents to you
why? Because they' re wonderful learnings.

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So I actually go with my aunts
one day we went and we were

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looking after teym se Arma and I
Great now, next week she goes here

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with some friends. I mean great, this is all for me I enjoy,

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I really enjoy everything that happens in
my life when Natalia says no.

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When she says no, and when
it' s good to say no to

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see when they say no to Natalia, when it' s something that goes

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against what she thinks, what she
feels, her values, what she wants

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for her. I mean, a
lot of people say it' s selfishness,

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no yes. I say it'
s love. I don' t

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do something I don' t want, I mean, I don' t

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do something I don' t feel, I don' t do anything for

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money, I mean, I mean, I don' t mean, and

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I' m fine. It'
s all right, that' s the

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truth. I don' t know
that I don' t remember anything you

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' ve been told lately. No. As you hear, you help me

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a yes let' s not,
if I can, if not, I

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say no maybe, but I can
say no. It' s healthy.

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Saying is not healthy for yourself,
for if you consider it, it is

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healthy for you. Yes, of
course, there are people who don'

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t know how to say no because
they don' t know how to put

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limits on themselves, not on other
people, but on themselves. So I,

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when I say no, it'
s because I put a limit on

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myself to seeing this, not for
me, not for someone else, that

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is for me, then the limits
say yes are healthy. And tell us,

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please, what has been the teaching, not the knowledge? What has

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been the deepest, most significant teaching
you have ever lived in your school stage,

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in school. Call elementary, high
school ay at school. I'

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m not that girl, I don' t even remember. I' ve

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seen this two by two, four. I believe in school I have some

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experience that you have lived in school
and that you say this teaching. I

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learned this in school, beyond two, plus two, not beyond knowledge.

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I' m not talking about what
you learned at school, I' m

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talking about what experience marked you.
And you can say today this experience was

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truly very significant and today I learned
you about it. I' ll give

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you an example. My math teacher, I don' t remember the name.

418
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My math menc was a toughest,
most decent guy, but the strictest

419
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thing I knew. He didn'
t give me a tenth. He had

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00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:54.039
no compassion on me, there was
no prerogative. On the contrary, I

421
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was going very badly in grades,
I was going very badly mathematics, and

422
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:07.000
he took care that I passed the
matter and achieved it on my merits and

423
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.440
it was look I cried tears of
blood, as my grandmother said, until

424
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I passed it and I achieved it. And when I passed it and made

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00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.880
it, he told me I knew
you could. Nobody tells you you can

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00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:25.199
' t. You could. To
me that teaching ask me what I learned

427
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.000
in high school. I was a
madman. I don' t remember,

428
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.880
but what I do remember was that
teaching. Not that I really said this

429
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.400
phrase is even to make a movie
Notice that you remember, that I'

430
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.360
m telling you right now the natal
one before. It' s nothing to

431
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:47.239
do with the one now believe me
that I don' t feel like Natalia

432
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.280
before didn' t value a lot
of things, so I don' t

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00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:58.199
feel right now that one that has
been such a special situation in my school

434
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.920
journey, and more because I think
I' m going to, just like

435
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.840
you' re a relax, I
mean, I skipped classes, copied exams,

436
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.239
stole them, that' s then. In that sense, I do

437
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.840
not remember a situation that I said
no man in school. For me right

438
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:20.440
now, not maybe when if I
could have to mention some, maybe when

439
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:25.239
I graduated, happy be computer,
when I graduated and I said oh yeah,

440
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.079
I could, so I could already
vigo so yes, I did not

441
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.480
maybe that part. But from there, I don' t remember exactly.

442
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:39.960
He hears very well. You'
ve run into some ex- friend and

443
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.599
ex- colleague from college and high
school, you' ve found it all

444
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.920
of a sudden and I' ll
tell you Natalia, you do now,

445
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.239
if I met you if we got
together to throw a cellas no. And

446
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.559
now, Natalia, yes, if
you' ve run into them, what

447
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.519
have they told you? Yeah,
I ran into them. But more or

448
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.039
less a friend of mine that didn' t hit me. Or she'

449
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:07.480
ll be my friend and she'
s still my friend of so many years

450
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:08.440
that when I started this and she
tells me, you know what and so

451
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:09.719
she told me, you know what. I don' t believe you and

452
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.320
you don' t believe me that
I don' t believe you that you

453
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.719
are and I don' t believe
you because they say no I mean,

454
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.440
I don' t read or I
know you, I know what this was

455
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:23.039
like I said, I did say, but what a father I could have

456
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.000
evolved. Friend, I mean,
I could see things that I didn'

457
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.280
t see and I invite you not
to be and she at first, as

458
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.960
well as walk, don' t
walk and right now, as well as

459
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.719
hear friend to see and hear friend
and already she starts to get into these

460
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.159
things. But, for example,
for me, it was more shocking for

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00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.400
her, because she, to date, my friend, is one of my

462
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.239
greatest friends and at the time,
so Natalia told me, I don'

463
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.480
t believe you, I mean,
I don' t buy it and I

464
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.239
why until she lived it and that
until she lived it and what father that

465
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:59.880
they remain friends. Hey I want
to ask you what you prefer science fiction

466
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:07.119
romantic comedy, what is the favorite
genre of movies that you have romantic comedy

467
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.079
and suspense I love these weights of
stealing is not like that. I love

468
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.280
it and go camping, go out
of the field idea. You like it,

469
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.079
you don' t like it.
I love it. Luis Miguel,

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00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.480
I' m a cyclist. Besides
that I also discovered it now that I

471
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:35.440
evolved, that I found, I
became aware of experiencing things by chance to

472
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.079
rediscover myself two or three years ago
I started cycling. Then we go to

473
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:45.519
challenges and go to many places here
in Mexico and camp. I love camping,

474
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.840
here we go camping on the beach. I love nature, I love

475
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:57.880
to be with my friends of the
BICI and to walk and roll and discover

476
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.920
myself going down the mountains, I
mean, I don' t go,

477
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.679
going down the visia to everything that
gives with stones and I know it I

478
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.679
say so, I say myself do
not stains note it you are forty-

479
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.280
seven years old and who I saw
in my life or it was not seen

480
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.639
me imagined in my life. Then
I love, I love adventure, I

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00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.599
love camping, I love nature,
I love all that part. Look how

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00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.760
curious and what a father. I
can' t. I am, I

483
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.440
am there I' m not much
of myself for you to see. Yeah,

484
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:31.159
I need the air conditioning the bed
with that yes. Yes, very

485
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.599
very very. No, I mean, yeah. I can ride a bike,

486
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.000
no, but I have to go
back and sleep in a good place

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00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.119
and eat well. That eating thing
I' m gonna eat a plant with

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00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.119
an ant. No. This isn' t for me or a joke.

489
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.760
No. But and I assure you, I' m dying of learning sometimes

490
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.519
more of a bear appears to me
and I eat it. I mean,

491
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.719
he' s experienced Luis miguel O. He just says no. No.

492
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.920
I didn' t experience it twice
and on the second. In the first

493
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.519
I said no, this is not
for me, but well, the second

494
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.039
I said ay told me it'
s not that you didn' t live

495
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.679
it father, you didn' t
live it. Well, the second one

496
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:08.000
you saw in man. I ended
up saying never again in life and just

497
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:15.239
being in one place this dark and
listening to noises outside the man. What

498
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.360
do you want better around here by
yourself? He doesn' t hear.

499
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:27.119
Let me, please, ask you
some role models. You' ve got

500
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.719
someone you admire, someone you say
I want to be like a guy.

501
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:36.199
Suddenly there are people who inspire you, not at least me. There are

502
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.239
people who ask for certain leaders in
the month. I don' t want

503
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.920
to talk about politics, but,
for example, one person who inspires me

504
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.159
is the Obamas. It' s
not so much Bark Obama as Michelle Obama,

505
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.599
for her life, for her effort, for her dedication. I don

506
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.159
' t know if they did or
if they didn' t, if they

507
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:52.679
deported. That' s why I' m not interested. What interests me

508
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:59.639
is the effort, the dedication and
what they achieved. Not someone like that

509
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:05.719
with you, there' s no
model to follow from anything. I'

510
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.360
m telling you, I like reading
books. For example. I am not

511
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.199
Catholic, I do not profess any
religion, yes, none absolutely, but

512
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:21.679
I like to read about philosophies,
I like to read about Jesus, about

513
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:28.400
Buddhas, about because I do not
like books. And then I say I

514
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:34.079
know interesting to experience this or I
know how I would like to know what

515
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.519
it feels like to have this peace
or I don' t know things like

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00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.639
that, but it' s no
one or model to follow and I'

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00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:42.639
m going to follow in selfishness for
many people or better be able to follow

518
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.199
them. It is I who of
those people tell me is that I don

519
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.599
' t know what my purpose of
life is, what is the purpose to

520
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.480
which I came my purpose and my
answer is your purpose. You are yourself

521
00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.199
or focus on yourself, on your
evolution, on your learning, on growing,

522
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.400
on transcending situations, on the challenges
that life presents to you. Then

523
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:12.719
my best models are I, we' re getting to the final straight,

524
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:19.000
my dear Natalia. I want to
ask you the human being came to this

525
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:24.800
planet to be happy. I believe
that the human being is to say,

526
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:31.599
to make happy, because happiness is
like very changing. Not sure. I

527
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:36.119
' m happy today, but tomorrow
maybe I' ll get something in sadness

528
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.599
and I' m sad I think
that the human being came to three things.

529
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:45.239
OK. To evolve, OK,
clarity. What he told you,

530
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:51.039
Ahorita, is not to progress,
that is to be better and to transcend.

531
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:57.559
OK. For me then happiness,
for it is to live it when

532
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.400
you have to live it every emotion, every situation. But it is to

533
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.199
evolve that situation, it is to
ascend, it is to progress. For

534
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:10.159
me that to come out of your
purpose. It is yourself to remind us,

535
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:16.239
please, of your social networks,
how they can locate you and also

536
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:22.800
in another way, those women and
those men who want to participate with you

537
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.840
in this circle, in this Community, in these retreats, in these meetings,

538
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.800
in the activities they have, and
I don' t know if you

539
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.599
have any activity at door. Please, if you can share it and well,

540
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.519
on your social networks, all right. Well, you can find me

541
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:44.679
Miguel as Natalia Carrillo, a medicine
woman, on Instagram, in Spotify.

542
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:50.960
The truth almost does not feed this
spoting, it is already one of the

543
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:55.280
purposes, but it does feed more. Facebook is like a woman to a

544
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:59.039
woman. With Natalia Carrillo I didn' t want to change her name anymore,

545
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:00.519
because that' s how I started
it and it' s a little

546
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.159
more. But it is also inclusive. There is also a theme for men.

547
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.960
There' s some information coming up. I have right now in this

548
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.920
month of April salation of female lineage, workshop of childhood ideas, workshop of

549
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:22.880
conscious sexuality ok and in June July, so that they are preparing for women

550
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.440
retreat, women healing and for men
the sense men lover hears even this mother.

551
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.440
It sounded very interesting to me,
too, that one about sexuality,

552
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:32.840
and then we talked about it.
No, I don' t. Sure,

553
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.960
I also have some information about sexuality. Of course, even if you

554
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.480
say no, I don' t, of course not. Hey, Natalia.

555
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.639
I would love, please, to
have you tell us a final message.

556
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:51.400
Imagine, but this final message is
different. This message you' re

557
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.280
going to give for the whole planet. It is a message that will be

558
00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:00.079
translated into all languages, languages,
dialects will not be transmitted via the Internet,

559
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.719
radio, television. Signs of smoke, the whole planet' s gonna

560
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.800
get there. Everyone already knows he' s more than informed that Natalia Carrillo

561
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.159
is going to give a message.
What would this message be. I think

562
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.000
there' s a message for everyone. It is precisely that you allow yourself

563
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:22.039
to open your mind and heart so
that this information that you need today in

564
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:29.159
your life to transcend, progress and
evolve and to be able to find the

565
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:34.960
beautiful human being that you are What
wonder, What wonder, Natalia, I

566
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.440
thank you very much. Thank you
for really sharing with us, Thank you

567
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.840
for sharing from the heart. That' s the most important, the most

568
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:49.639
interesting thing, because it' s
you, because it' s very you,

569
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.880
and I hope it' s still
you, not because I think the

570
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.039
planet needs just that, not authentic
people, people who can open their hearts,

571
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.840
who are vulnerable, who are also
perfectable. Then I thank you infinitely

572
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.679
and also you who saw us you
heard us in that chapter invite you once

573
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.039
again, not only to share this
chapter so that more people will know Natalia,

574
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:22.679
but also to meet all the interviews, all my guests. Today I

575
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.960
have more than a hundred interviews from
all countries Argentina, Chile, Bolivia,

576
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.000
Brazil, Spain, Canada, United
States, Mexico, in Peru. Well,

577
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.519
an impressive amount and I really think
it' s worth it, because

578
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.000
the idea is to positively impact and
I' m sure we can grab something

579
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.719
if we put together everything my guests
have said. Believe me, you need

580
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.000
no more wisdom, no more than
God' s, and I hope God

581
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:52.599
will bless you and good- bye
to you. Good morning, good evening,

582
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.840
good evening, Natalia, Blessing.
Thank you for everything, and we

583
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:15.719
' ll see you and listen to
each other in the next s