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And on the couch we have Conrad. How do you say your last name?

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Is it? Where war? Like? In Second World War? War

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Conrad War from the band bees Delocks. How are you welcome? Very well?

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Thanks for having me. Yeah,
yeah, we've been playing some of

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your stuff on the show. And
now you're not from these parts originally,

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are you? I consider myself from
Brooklyn, but I'm actually from London.

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Okay, Now why do you consider
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while. If you're brought up in
England, everything is easy. You know.

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People go to sleep in the middle
of the day. They don't work,

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they don't do anything. They just
crown people. Oh but then when

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you move to America, suddenly you
find you've actually got to work and meet

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people and find things and do jobs. And so I moved to Brooklyn and

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New York and I found it was
a baptism of fire. Yeah, so

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immediately it was like being in New
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in university in England. Wow,
it's much much harder. So are you

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so the lyrics to hang fire by
the Rolling Stones, that's actually a pretty

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fair Yes, I'll be down.
When did you are so when did you

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come to the United States. So
I was in New York in the early

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eighties. Okay, I put an
ad in the Village Voice, and I

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got a drummer at a bass player, and I auditioned for Hilly at CBGB's

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on a Monday night and he said, you guys are all right, come

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back tomorrow. And then after that
he says, you guys are right,

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come back on a Wednesday. So
and after six months we worked our way

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up to playing on Saturday night,
two sets in between the headlining band,

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Oh wow. Yeah, we opened
for Dogs of War, which was the

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name of Living Color in those days. Oh no kidding, Yeah, fantastic

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band. Oh wow. And hr
from Bad Brains. Oh wow. So

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we missed the early section with the
Ramones and Talking Heads, but we got

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in like the second wave when bands
were still really interesting but didn't quite go

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billboard. Okay, Oh that wow. That must have been a great time

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to be there. It was awesome. Wow, that's that's amazing. Well

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night we were playing with Jonathan Gregg
and the Lonesome Debonairs and I don't know

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if you remember CBS, but the
stage was to the side of the walked

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through to the bathroom. So we're
playing. Jonathan greg and his band are

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all at the bar drinking. They
come back, all their guitars have gone

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out in the back door. Oh
my god, you had to nail things

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down and hold them in your hands. Yeah. Yeah, Oh jeez,

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So you were there when did you
say? So? Early eighties? Early

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eighties? Okay. Then my girl
got a job in Boston, so I

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went, all right, I'll move
up to Boston and then started all over

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again. Yeah. And then we
had a couple of kids and I had

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to stay at home make sure they
didn't put forks in the electricity, and

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then started up again. So I
put together bees Deluxe here in Boston.

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Okay, what was what was the
band called when you were in New York?

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That band was called Invisible House.
What's the cool name? I like

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that? Now? Where does the
name bees DeLux come from? What does

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that mean? It's a combination of
a pub in London and an amplifier that

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I used to this day. Oh
no, kidding, Oh cool. Well,

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I had to come up with a
name very very fast because I was

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in a bar with a friend of
Michael Maurice and he said you should play

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here, and I went, I
don't have a band. He says,

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well, I'm going to book you. What's the name of the band?

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Yeah, so we played the next
Friday. Oh, there you go,

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there you go. Yeah. I
have a friend Mike Laughlin who used to

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be in a band called simply called
something because he was he was on the

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spot, he was he was supposed
to play somewhere and they didn't have a

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name for the band yet, and
he's called it something and actually stuck with

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it for a while. So listeners
should be where Because I have a neighbor

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in Jamaica Plane who started a band
and he called it hot Dog, And

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I went, you an idiot.
If people go on Google and search for

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hot Dog, they're never gonna find
you, Right, So you've got to

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do something that's yes, off center? Oh yeah, oh absolutely, And

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and and also too, something that
you can be reasonably sure that somebody doesn't

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already have, right. Um yeah, so that makes sense. Um,

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I mean did you how quick did
you have to come up with that?

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Like? Did you do a search
online to make sure there wasn't already a

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band somewhere called NOL We were in
the rehearsal studio, Yeah, on the

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phone booking it. Yeah. Yeah, so that's it. That's great,

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that's great. That's very rock and
roll. Um cool. So what was

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what was it like, you know, starting in the music scene in Boston

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in contrast to New York? Was
it was? It drastically different in some

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ways The scenes are were and still
are very different. Yeah. In New

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York, many of the clubs are
four bands tonight, back Line provided bring

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one hundred and fifty people or we'll
never book here again. And they're like

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sausage factories. Yeah. They just
churn you in and churn you out.

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Yeah, and some are better than
others. Some have actual people who care

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about music. Boston, we tend
to play gigs where we played for three

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hours. Okay, so we're playing
in a room where the management and the

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bartenders like us. They'll tell their
friends and once the customers have seen us,

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once they come back for the next
one. Yeah, you know.

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So we play anywhere from dive bars
like Vincent's in Worcester. I mean,

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if there's forty five people in there, it's packed. Yeah, yeah,

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it's great dive bar. And then
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where they're very Tony, you know, and they serve meals and people sit

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down. Yeah, so there's a
range, but we'd like to play it

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on our own, because that's that's
why you want to play. Is you

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want to play as much as possible. So you'll do a three hour Yeah,

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take a break in the middle and
run out for a cigarette or something.

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But if you're only playing for forty
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off the ground, right, right, m You've got obviously you've got a

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lot of originals, and we've been
playing some of them today, but you

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also have quite a few covers,
I would imagine, right, So our

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philosophy is to play covers that aren't
played by everybody else, Yeah, and

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reverse engineer them so they're different.
Okay, So we'll take a song like

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Damn Your Eyes by James and we'll
play it in a different key and a

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different tempo and a different field,
and then move, get rid of one

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chorus and put a break in there
instead. Oh, and then stretch.

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So a lot of what we do
is improvisational. We don't really know where

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we're going to go until we've hit
it. Yeah, you do. You

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run into it where someone will has
anyone ever come up here and said,

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hey, I really like that song, a certain song, and they assumed

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it was one of yours, but
it was actually a song that you There

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was a cover that you took in
reverse engineered exactly that we played for two

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hours at the House of Blues when
it was at Harvard Square and Cambridge.

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Yeah, and the couple came up
to me at the end and he said,

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you guys are really good. You
should play some covers. And we've

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been playing easy type Jimi Hendrix out
of James Freddie King, Albert King,

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you know. And they liked the
tunes. Yeah, but they didn't know

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that they'd heard them before. That's
funny. Yeah, yeah, because you

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know, subconsciously they there's something in
the you know, in the backs of

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their minds that's going to connect with
that because they have heard it before,

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but they don't know what it is
because they don't recognize it. That's interesting,

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that's really cool. Our friend DJ
Steve is in the chat room,

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Rondo Favero says, Living Color excellent
band. Yeah, Yeah, that's cool.

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You said, what were they called
Dogs of War before they were Living

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Color? That was the sort of
a hidden name. Oh, okay.

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You know, like window Stones played
the Morgan's Cove. I don't know what

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they called themselves, but they played
to fifty people there. Yeah. Yeah,

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you said you live in Jamaica.
Plane. Yeah, you ever play

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the Midway Cafe? Yes? As
much as possible really yeah. Yeah.

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And they've opened up. They've got
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now now there's a horseshoe bone.
You can get behind it and in front

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of it. Oh okay, they
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I used to play in a long
long time ago. Oh okay, I

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used to do back when I did
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do shows. They're like for a
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at the Midway, but it was
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so it was small. It was
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Yeah, it's still going strong.
That was a long time ago.

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It's probably not even the same same
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it's Jay Balona and Dave Quit.
There were two brothers. Oh, I'll

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be damn so Davis still. I
remember Dave. Jay is the serious one

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and Dave was the Nutjobe. He
and I would go up on the roof

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and throw bottles at cars going pars. Oh my god. Yeah, Dave

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is the one I would deal with
there. I remember Dame, so he's

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still there. No, Davis Davis
vanished, but Jay is still oh Dave?

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Okay, so yeah, yeah,
I don't think I ever dealt with

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Jay. I don't think I ever
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Dave Davis van What do you mean
he's vanished. I haven't seen him for

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a while. Oh okay, but
he's not actually missing, is he?

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No? But I don't think he's
working that room. Oh okay, okay.

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I was afraid something had happened because
I have good I have good memories

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with Dave, and it sounds like
you have some good memories with him as

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well. Definitely, although not necessarily
the best thing to be doing. But

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um so, so when did you
When did you uh end up in Boston

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that I have been late eighties,
sir, Yeah, late eighties, early

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nineties. I got What happened was
I got a job because my my then

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girlfriend got a job as a night
science fellow at MIT. She was a

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science journalist. Okay, I got
a job. I was in design.

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I got a job at rychodisc as
production manager. So I went to Salem

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every day on Pickering Wharf and I
dealt with Frank Zappa and his wife Gail,

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David Bowie, Yoko Ono. All
the releases that we put on raychodists

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were repackaged artists who were fed up
with their major labels. Yes, yes,

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yeah, yeah, very familiar with
Racodesk are Oh wow, that's cool.

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Yeah. How long? How long
did you do that? Um?

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I'm guessing four or five years?
Okay. I sort of quit because I

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got fed up with the fact that
they didn't A and R or anything.

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Everything was recataloging. Yeah. And
the final straw for me was there was

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a bank Gallant Drunk. Gallant Drunk
were Morrissey's boyfriend and his pals, and

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Sire Records convinced my boss that we
should put out two albums by Gallon Drunk

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because they were going to tour opening
for Morrissey and we were going to sell

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fifty thousand copies of each album and
that Conrad had to put them out in

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five days, meaning me. Yeah. So, I mean I didn't kill

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myself because I'm still alive today to
tell the story. Yeah, But I

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put out these albums and they were
horrible, very horrible. We killed us

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of doing it. So I went
to the bus and I go, I

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can't do this anymore. You know, it's like operating on a corpse.

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Yeah. I was gonna say,
I've not even heard of gallant drunk,

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right, be thankful? Yeah,
Wow, that wasn't been a great experience.

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It was. It was a lot
of fun, really fast moving,

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and a lot of great artists and
yeah, and very nice to do things

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that were good for the industry.
So, for instance, we started banned

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the box. You're probably too young
to remember this, but when they switched

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from vinyl to CD, everything came
in twelve inch long boxes. Yes,

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I do remember that. Actually waste
the cardboard and printing and money. So

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we started this movement called band the
Box. Oh, and we got that

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kicked out. And then I was
working with Phillips DuPont Optical in Minneapolis,

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and together with them I invented.
First of all, I invented see through

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jewel cases, and then I invented
the green dye that we put in raychodisc.

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So when you looked at the disc, you knew it was the Rycho

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Disc album because it was green.
Okay, lime green, oh wow.

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And as soon as we came out
with the first releases like that, you

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know, everybody from the country was
calling me, how did you do that?

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Where did you get that done?
Yeah? You know like Geffen Records

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who were mad that they hadn't come
up with it. Really, Oh wow,

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did you did you? Did you
sell them the technology, the recipe?

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No? I told them to get
that's awesome. Wow. If you're

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just joining us, we're talking with
Conrad war from the band Be's Deluxe.

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But he's also been pretty well steeped
in the music industry in other ways too.

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This is a cool surprise because I
love talking about this stuff. So

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where did you go? So after
you left Rycodisc? Where did you go?

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Then? Well, what happened immediately
after that was the Internet came out.

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Yeah, Raychodisc went under and they
got picked up by Island Palm Palm

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Records Island and they drove it into
the ground And now it's moved to Rhino

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on the West Coast, and Rhino
managed it as a back catalog. I

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don't think it's an active label.
But I went and I was designing books

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and magazines and CDs and posters and
the Internet came out and the editor gave

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me a little floppy disc said you'll
like this, Conrad. It's something called

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Mosaic, and I put it into
a computer and I went, I can

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see the code. This is desktop
publishing, but from computer to computer.

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So then I stayed awake for two
weeks learning how to write code and how

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to write director and flash. When
it came out, yeah, oh wow.

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So I was doing that during the
day and then playing at night.

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Yeah oh no kidding. Yeah,
um yeah, so you've you've lived through

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all the all the changes um in
the U and the one that's coming up

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now is AI. We're all going
to live through that. Yeah, any

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uh any predictions on that because I
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that musicians are are going to go
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but we are in a point.
If you remember when cars were first invented,

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somebody had to walk in front of
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had cars, I didn't know that you

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had to have like a servant walk
thirty feet in front of you with a

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red flag. Oh wow, watch
out, there's a car coming. Oh

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no, I didn't know that.
We're at that stage with AI, because

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when I talked to AI like chat
CHPT, I'll ask you some questions and

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look, i'm so my database stops
two years ago. Yeah, or I'm

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sorry, that's an invasion of privacy. I can't tell you that, or

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I'm sorry, we don't know.
So it's early stages. My son was

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talking about this with me earlier actually, and he's in favor of a lot

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to pass that if you're interacting with
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to you that it's an AI.
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things. So, for instance,
doctors who are too much overworked with paperwork,

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they can say I've diagnosed my patient
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the AI engine. They'll say,
give me three different treatment plans for a

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patient with X who's thirty two years
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and the AI engine will come back
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doctor would be at a juice from
that, and that saved them I don't

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know, two hours in books,
yeah, yeah, because they can't remember

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all of that stuff. But AI
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it and teaching itself that. Okay, are you concerned though, about it

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going too far, like I mean, people are like. What my son

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was talking about is he's tried to
interact with some of the AIS that people

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are talking about. I think there's
one that's on TikTok maybe, and that

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he found it concerning how they could
take become one side or another like he's

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he said he interacted with one that
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there was another one that was uber
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AI in those worlds. It's just
like the Internet, it'll give you back

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what you put into it. So
that now there's a new class of job's

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called The job is called a prumpt
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talk to AI. Okay, there's
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the point of that is the AI
itself doesn't care if you're a Republican a

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Democrat. Right, It's going to
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So you just have to be It's
like being scared of guns. Guns

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are dangerous, but it is possible
to handle one without it going off.

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Yeah, And AI is dangerous,
but it's possible to handle it without it

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going off. Yeah. There was
this story. I think I think it

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might have been at Facebook or Meta
or whatever you call it. Now did

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you see Listen, We've talked about
it on the show. These these two

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AI bots or computers, they were
talking to each other. Do you know

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the story I'm talking about that they
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up with their own language to communicate
with each other, and they ended up

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getting disconnected because people were like,
we don't know what they're saying to each

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other. They seem to have their
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they could be saying, you know, let's kill all the humans and

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take over. So that's just like
what my parents used to say, is

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go upstairs, find out what the
kids are doing, and tell them to

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stop it. Right there go.
Our friend Mike Doyle is on the line.

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High Mike, any man, I'm
doing good. How are you very

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good? Thanks? Jenny, nice
to hear from you. Nice here,

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And I apologize I just turned you
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and I didn't catch the gentleman's name. Yeah, this is a Conrad war

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He's from the band B's Deluxe And
we've really been talking been talking about music

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and the music industry and so forth. But we we took a little bit

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of a side street because AI A
big subject right now is how is AI

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already beginning to affect the music industry? Okay, what do you think,

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Mike? Yeah, I apologize about
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and I understand now you have it, you know, with music and

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everything. My only question was I
heard a great discussion about a week ago,

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and it was about the many,
many, many positive things that can

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come out of AI, Like you
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the doctor and the how many differ
you know, remedies for what your ailment

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is, et cetera, et cetera, and hours it could save and all

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it. But then they went to
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and then how horrible the negative part
could be, um in in cloning

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people, making people guilty of crimes
they didn't commit, um, you know,

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things like that. And it was
a really good discussion that and the

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experts were saying that, yeah,
there's a really really dock side to it,

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and there's a really good upside,
which is why everybody has a little

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bit of trepidation right now. Is
to sure. You know, we want

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we want the good, but how
do we stop the bad? Right?

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Right? Exactly? Yeah, it's
it's uh and it's it's a subject we'll

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be uh discussing for many years to
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advance, it seems like it's it's
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You know, we've been hearing about
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it's like, oh, it's it's
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I know you don't like I don't
believe you like Musk. But when a

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guy who when a guy who had
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it, um says hey, we
should pause here for a moment um,

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that worries me. You know what
I mean, I say, all the

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cop he's worried. Sure, oh
yeah, there's a lot of people,

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a lot of people were oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's something we

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want to proceed with caution with certainly. Yeah all right, Well I'm sorry,

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I didn't know. I didn't know
he had crushed into music with it.

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Mike. There was a record released

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on the streaming networks by two artists
that was created by AI and the two

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artists named in it had nothing to
do with it, and the record companies

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went ballistic because it download It got
downloaded like half a million times in two

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weeks. Yeah, and they had
to shut it down. But the point

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was somebody using AI had made a
song that sounded like the two guys yep,

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and it was a hey yeah two
hip hop artists. Yeah yeah,

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it's pretty amazing. So think of
it, think of the think of the

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lawsuits. Well, yeah, the
lawyers, we're all be dead, and

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the lawyers will an they'll be AI
lawyers probably. Yeah. Yeah, we

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don't need all right, Well,
good talking to you guys, and Jenny

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if I don't see you, happy
Happy Mother's Day. Oh, thank you

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so much. That was nice,
very nice. Thanks for the call.

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Mike talking with Conrad war from the
band Be's Deluxe and um yeah, so

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uh yeah we are we are an
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is probably the next big the next
big transition in the music industry, right

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Like first was the Internet with Napster
and everything everything becoming digital and the effects

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that that had on the music industry
just really just changing it foundation. This

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is the next big change potentially right, right, and it should be used

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creatively. So for instance, Charlie
Christian used to play guitar in an acoustic

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band and he had the idea of
sticking a gramophone needle into the body of

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his guitar like a hypo syringe.
Yeah, and that made the music come

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out of the bell of his gramophone
and people were horrified. And then you

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know, the war pedal came out
and people were horrified. Ye. And

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then pro tools came out and all
these musicians are going, oh, it's

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sick. I prefer analog. I
want to be on two inch tape or

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the Beatles SiGe of Pepper was done
on an a track. Why are you

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used in pro tools? Because you
can because you can move a beat or

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change its pitch this much. And
AI is going to be exactly the same

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thing. People are going to be
able to do things that we hadn't done

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before. Right. And I've said
years ago, wouldn't it be great to

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have, for instance, another led
Zeppelin album when they've all passed away?

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Well, I will help us do
that. Interesting, I'm not talking about

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great event. Let's just think of
that. Let's thinking the same thing,

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don't we already have that, so
you could get a movie. You could

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say, well, let's have Bill
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right, because it's possible now right, right? Yeah, so you sound

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you sound positive about it. I
think that technology moves forward, we have

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to keep up with it. Right. My theories that government people and politicians

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don't know how to regulate this stuff
because they don't understand it. Right.

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If you remember when Mark Zuckerberg was
seen was in the Senate being at a

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committee meeting. I talk about this
on the show. We're talking to him,

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they go, how do you make
money? It's like they don't understand

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anything about this. Oh, Conrad, I've talked about that so many times

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on the show. How I get
I get so nervous when you know,

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when government tries to interfere with technology
or the Internet or anything. And I

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use that as an example. Yeah. I tell people, I say,

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if you have confidence in these people
to actually regulate this stuff, I can

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I can fix you. Uh,
just go to go to YouTube and just

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look up either yeah, Mark Zuckerberg
or Jack Dorsey when he went and testified

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before a committee, and just listen
to the questions that these people ask yea,

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and you begin to realize they're they're
gonna be voting on things that they

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have no idea what the hell even
they're doing. They don't know. SAME's

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true Frank zapp Or when he went
to Washington. Oh what for the PMRC

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thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they just don't get it

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right, Yeah, yeah, that
is so true. Well we are let's

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um, let's play something. Well, well, we've been playing some of

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your music. We'll take a break
and we'll play I'll let you pick the

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song. This is the album Voice
of Dog. Correct. This is the

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current album that Ivan f that'st an
all originals album by Best de Luxe.

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Yes, and I thought it was
hilarious that we would stop the album with

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a song called song number nine.
Yes, and it tries people mad.

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I go, that's the point.
Did I What did I play at the

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beginning of the show? I think
I played that one already? Are you

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were playing Flat Earth Conspiracy when I
came in? When you came in,

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Yeah, at the beginning of the
show. Though, at the top of

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the show, I played something at
two and I think it was out.

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I think it was a song number
nine. Um, let's see what about

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probably our biggest hit live is a
song called beer. Oh Beer, all

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right, let's now is this about
Is this about any any particular person?

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Or is it just about beer?
Both? Okay? And only two three

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minutes to write? Oh really,
Who's who's it about? Or? Can

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you or can you say? Is
it a political person? No, it's

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a romantic person. All right?
We would you rather leave it at that.

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As far as the explanation, I
think that's enough. All right,

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let's give this a listen. So
this is uh, this is a track

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called beer, and this is from
the band bees Deluxe. We have Conrad

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War in studio with us. Uh, let's give this a spin and then

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well I we'll continue our discussion.
Here we go. I want you,

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but I need a beer. I
need you, but I won't a bear.

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It's cold outside, but I need
to be I like you, but

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I need a beer. I remember
you that I want a beare. It's

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stalk outside, but I need to
be time. I really need a beer.

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I am longer. It's talking here. Oh that's great. That is

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beer from bees Delocks. What a
cool song. Jenny is here at the

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news desk. I am it was
awesome. Yeah, yeah, And on

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the couch. We have Conrad War
from bees Deluxe and uh yeah, that's

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that's a great song. Um.
Now that's you on vocals, right and

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guitar. Yeah, and guitar.
Very good, very good. Now who

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else is in the band? Carol
band plays keyboards, sings vocals, and

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plays harmonica, okay. Paul Joviny
is drumma and Jim Gilday is the bass

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player and he sings as well.
Oh okay, so it's a four piece

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of three vocals, gotcha, gotcha? So you take turns on the lead

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vocals. It's mostly me because okay, because I'm a whack joke. And

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we tour from Maine. We go
to Rockland, Maine, and go down

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to Miami and Florida. We go
up and down the East coast. Okay,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. I
was looking at your your tour dates

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online. Actually, um at bees
DeLux dot com. Is this site?

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Right? Um? Yeah? I
like the website. Who does the website?

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Did you do that? Yeah?
Do you build out? Yeah?

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I'm kind of a website nerd.
So I noticed. Yeah, I like

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the designer, like the layout and
um, and you also brought Jenny and

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I a couple of let's see.
So there's um so you're you're still putting

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things out on CD obviously. H
So you brought us uh this single Nitro

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uh and it's got industrial espionage the
instrumental version. I should let me put

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if you put the camera on me, I've got them right up in front

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of my computer. Oh. Perfect, Yeah, cameras nobody told me.

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Cool. Oh, Mike Doyle,
Mike is calling us back. Hey Mike,

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Hey, sorry, say you know, I hate to call more than

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one. I had to say.
I had it on the station, I

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hadn't changed, and I was sitting
at the light listening to that song.

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And let me tell you that was
awesome that the instrumentals in that song are

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off the chats. Man. I
don't want him to get too big of

407
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a head. The singing was good, but the instrumentals were off the chats.

408
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:56,680
No, right there with you under
understood the start. That was excellent.

409
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,039
That's all I wanted to say.
Thank job, it was excellent.

410
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Thanks Mike, all right, thanks
Mike, all right, very good.

411
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,039
Yeah. I was going to ask
him if he if it made him want

412
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,440
to have a beer, but it
sounded like he was in a hurry.

413
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,920
But yeah, no, that great, great song. Yeah. So now

414
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,240
the artwork on these is really cool. Actually, let me put the camera

415
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,240
back on. People watching online can
see the artwork. I want to see

416
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,759
my gorgeous self. Who does who
does this? Uh? The artwork on

417
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,640
these is really cool. Well,
I think they're awesome. We do the

418
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,559
graphics, but we commissioned the art
from people that we like. So for

419
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:33,079
instance, Nitro the Green Man,
he's actually called Anxious Man. It is

420
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:38,039
by this wonderful artist name Wendy Brusick
b R U s I c K.

421
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,119
Okay. So she found us playing
in Cambridge and became a fan, and

422
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,759
we looked at her artwork and we'd
begged her to do that. So she's

423
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,200
done the artwork for our next album, which is still being mixed. Okay.

424
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,720
And the other one called Wherever You
Hide It is an EP And that's

425
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,680
a photograph by my daughter Zoe.
Oh wow, Zoe took that photograph in

426
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,480
a sculpture park somewhere. That is
very cool. I like it, isn't

427
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,039
that nice? Yeah? That is? Yeah. And we'll for people listening

428
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,119
who obviously can't see, well,
we'll take pictures of these and put them

429
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,160
up on social media so you can
see exactly what we're We'll do that after

430
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,559
the show so you can see what
we're talking about. But yeah, that's

431
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,799
that's very cool, very cool.
Um, now are you are you putting

432
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:25,200
out? Are you doing anything on
vinyl? I notice vinyl is uh,

433
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,839
well, it never went away.
But now I think, if I'm not

434
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,839
mistaken, I think twenty twenty two
might have been the first year where vinyl

435
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,599
actually outsold CDs. I write that
too. I'm not sure I believe it

436
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,720
really well. One reason I don't
believe it is because there's a vinyl shortage

437
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,880
rule materials. I didn't know that, so obviously there's a lobbyist or there's

438
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,720
a there's a PR engine going behind
it, probably to build it up again.

439
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Yeah. So the cost per entry
for vinyl is hard because you've got

440
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,839
to make a master, a master
that you cut, you know, so

441
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,079
yeah, whereas the CD you can
make fifty right, right, and a

442
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:07,759
cassette you can make ten, yeah, and an you can't make yeah cassettes.

443
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,480
I was, um, I was
shocked. When Jeez must have been

444
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,240
seven or eight years ago, now
maybe not that long. I was on

445
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:19,960
bandcamp dot com and I realized that
that people were starting to put out cassettes

446
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,119
again. I couldn't believe it.
I mean, you know, obviously just

447
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160
kind of as a novelty, I
guess, but I don't know. Maybe

448
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,279
some people like the sound of tape
hiss. I don't know they've got cassette

449
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,759
place in their cause, yeah,
pencil on the tape, just swinging it

450
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,759
around, trying to get it thrown
wind back up again. I don't miss

451
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,559
tapes, no, But I think
I want a CD player now, yeah,

452
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,440
like I really think I want to
have a CD player again. Yeah,

453
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,880
I know I have one. We
actually have one here. I think

454
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,359
Rob as a Vito is the only
one who uses it for his show.

455
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,200
But um, and my you know, I have a MacBook that has a

456
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,240
CD player on it. But um
but uh yeah, I was amazed to

457
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,799
see that cassettes sort of come back. And I actually I used to work

458
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,880
for a retail chain. I worked
for Strawberries, and then of course it

459
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,440
got bought by a trans World and
became Fye. But I remember cassettes.

460
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,559
You know. One of the things
that's interesting, and you might agree with

461
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,960
me, it's it's it's u interesting
to see over time what technologies go away

462
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,480
and what technologies stick around and to
try to predict it, and sometimes sometimes

463
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,119
you know, people aren't always right. And cassettes are an example of where

464
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,240
I thought those were going to go
away at least five years sooner than they

465
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,839
did, and we still had them
when I was working at that job.

466
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,599
We had them much longer than I
thought, and I thought we would have.

467
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,440
But my theory at the time was
that, um, it was because

468
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,880
of the auto industry, because people
still had cassette players in their cars even

469
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,279
though CDs had been the dominant medium
for so long. And then eventually cassettes

470
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:58,119
went away, but cassettes stayed stayed
around a lot longer than I would have

471
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,640
imagined. But well, it's immensely
portable. But the two that you missed

472
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,039
that went away like the dinosaurs were
the mini disc Sony, which had a

473
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:13,159
bubble memory so you could jog and
it wouldn't skip, okay, and you

474
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,559
could record on it so you could
record, you know, speeches at college

475
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,519
and go to sleep in them.
Yeah, and then Phillips came out with

476
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:28,199
another one called Digital Compact Cassette,
which was essentially a cassette sized dat oh,

477
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,559
and that went down the toilet really
fast. Because they tried to gouge

478
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:37,559
back more of the royalties from the
artists. This is Phillips really in Germany.

479
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,280
Okay, so and the artist said, no, you can't have it.

480
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,400
If you're going to take that much
away from me, we're not going

481
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,360
to put our albums out on digital
compact cassette. But the idea was to

482
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:52,480
have a cassette that had seed Equality
sound on it. Okay? Was that?

483
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Did that ever make it to the
United States? I had to make

484
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,280
those damn things that rycauld is no
kidding, yeah, because I don't even

485
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,719
remember those are remember the mini discs? I don't remember, but I don't

486
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,920
remember those digital comeback to stow that
boat in flames really fast? Yeah yeah,

487
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,639
huh interesting. I mean I remember
the old DAT recorders. Yeah,

488
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,199
those were great because I remember you
could bring those to a concert and record

489
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,320
and the quality would be amazing.
Right. But indexing on that stuff,

490
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,440
you know, oh yeah, it
was just it for engineers, not people.

491
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:30,280
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, and the other technology

492
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,440
too that went away quickly. From
what I can recall, is because we

493
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,960
actually had these when I first started
at Strawberries, we had these, but

494
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,559
it was it was at the tail
end was laser discs. Oh yeah,

495
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,639
you know, so you got this
this movie basically on Yeah. Yeah.

496
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,400
They were huge, and it was
like it was cumbersome. And then you

497
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,079
know, of course, as soon
as CDs, I mean as soon as

498
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,639
I DVDs rather started coming out,
laser discs went away pretty quickly. But

499
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,000
I remember people would come in wanting
to order them, and they would take

500
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,199
forever to get them, you know. And do you have little libraries on

501
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,920
the street here in Manchester. I
don't know if any of them. They

502
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,039
may be one in Manchester, but
they do have them around. So they're

503
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,360
all over in Jamaica plane And when
I opened them up, they're full of

504
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,679
DVDs. Oh yeah, you're talking
about the little boxes. Get them up

505
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,159
on the street and you put you
put a book and take a book out.

506
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,519
Yeah yeah. And in my neighborhood
people are getting rid of the DVDs

507
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:29,679
because of the streaming industry, because
the Netflix and an Apple and everything like

508
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,360
that. Yeah yeah. Um.
That's another thing that's been in the news

509
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,079
lately too, because of the writer's
strike and you know these writers, uh,

510
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,440
you know, streaming has really changed
a technology. It's as charge as

511
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,079
everything streaming has really changed the way
a lot of them get paid and so

512
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,599
forth. Yeah, get ready to
be flooded with reality shows. Yeah,

513
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,880
no, kid, ain't. That's
what happens. To take your clothes up,

514
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,199
run out in the street, that's
what happens. Get a series.

515
00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Yeah, so now bees de Locks. How long is the because I assume

516
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,559
the lineup has changed over the years, right, occasionally we'd lose and find

517
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,559
a player. Yeah. How long
has the band existed? I mean it's

518
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:12,639
been decades, right, I think
we've I think we put out something about

519
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:19,079
eight years ago, the Demolition Tapes. Okay, um, so, but

520
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,440
as the current lineup hasn't been together
for a while, is a pretty stable

521
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,800
or yeah, this one three or
four years and we've we've done thousands of

522
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,039
miles together. Yeah. So we
take terms driving, okay, And the

523
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,079
mythology of this is that when I'm
driving, it rains. Yeah, when

524
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,159
anybody else drives, it's fine,
right, Right, you're all pile into

525
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:44,159
a van. Yeah. We we
we borrow either borrow a VW Bus or

526
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,199
a Ford Transit or rent a Forward
transit. Yeah. But COVID almost killed

527
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,599
us on that. Yeah, because
if you remember before covid, you could

528
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,360
rent a van for I don't know, one hundred and fifty two hundred bucks

529
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,920
a day. Sure, do unlimited
miles, so we'd be cool. Yeah.

530
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Yeah. And then all the when
COVID hit, people like Enterprise said

531
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,679
okay, let's sell our inventory and
we'll buy it back when it's finished.

532
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,280
Of course when it finished, they
couldn't buy the invagory back. Yea.

533
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:14,760
So now they're charging us four hunderbucks
a day for a four transit. Wow,

534
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,079
so we're gonna have to do this
on roller skates. Yeah. Yeah,

535
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,559
that's That's one of the things that
I hear the most now from from

536
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,440
anybody who does any any level of
touring. It's so well they're actually.

537
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,760
In fact, there's been national artists
who have said, no, we're not

538
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,960
gonna We're not gonna tour anymore.
It's gotten Steve Steve Eis says, you

539
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,159
weren't playing in Europe anymore? Really, Yeah, it costs him too much

540
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:42,559
money. Yeah. Yeah, the
travel is the travel the truck in the

541
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,039
hotels all overhead is now higher than
the ticket. Yeah. And it always

542
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,920
used to be that the ticket price
didn't get you your money back, Like

543
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,559
when the Stones or the Talking Heads
played in New York. They would break

544
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,039
even or lose on ticket sales because
Ron Delson would take it from them,

545
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,320
but they would come back into the
black on T shirt sales, and I

546
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,480
think like the Rolling Rolling Stones played, they would make twenty five to fifty

547
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,320
bucks ahead on merchandise, okay,
because people would go in and they'd buy

548
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,239
the two hundred dollar leather jacket,
right right, yeah, and that's where

549
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,159
they made the money back. So, which is kind of unusual because you

550
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,079
think rock and roll is in the
T shirt business oh very much so yeah,

551
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:27,159
but they pretty much are. And
that's how indie bands survide. Now.

552
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,800
Yeah, if you look at something
like Bad Bad Hat, they when

553
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,159
they go up and down the country, they're selling T shirts to pay for

554
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,360
gas and pizza. M M,
yeah, no doubt. Well, my

555
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,159
my all time favorite band is Kissed, and of course kiss happens to be

556
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:45,519
the most heavily merchandise band in history. You know, um, I'm not

557
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,639
even sure. I think the Beatles
might be number two, but but kiss

558
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,920
is the most heavily merchandise then it's
like, uh, you know, they

559
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,880
they actually sold off their publishing back
before before a lot of artists were doing

560
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,800
it back in the uh she's I
think it must have been around nineteen ninety

561
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:07,559
nineteen ninety one because they cashed out
on the on the publishing. Yeah.

562
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,880
Um and uh but you know they
make you know, touring, they sell

563
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,639
so much merch. You know,
it's like, uh, that's where the

564
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,199
money really is from. I have
the worst example for you. Yeah.

565
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,000
I used to be friends with a
band called the Soft Boys, which was

566
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:27,519
Robin Hitchcock and a great guitar player
named Kimberly Rue. And the band split

567
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,119
up. Robin wanted to go solo, and Kimberly started a band doing Bo

568
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,159
Diddley songs. They were in Greece. They got a deal. They cut

569
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:40,039
a song called Walking on Sunshine Katrino
in the Waves. Yeah, that's that's

570
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,960
Bo Diddley and Kimberly Rue is playing. Oh no kid, So he's in

571
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,679
England. I'm still slightly in touch
with him. I walk into a store

572
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,719
and I find a toothbrush that when
you press it plays walking on Sunshine.

573
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:59,960
I'm going if that isn't the lowest
wow version of merchandising a rock and roll

574
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,280
branded the universe, I don't know
what. Yeah, yeah, that song

575
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,840
though kind of transcends. It's a
great song, you know. To be

576
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239
honest with you, I never liked
it, I remember, but I think

577
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,960
part of it was, you know, when I was a kid, you

578
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,800
know, I couldn't turn on MTV
without seeing the video, right, like,

579
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,400
oh you can overexposure would kill you
in anything? Yeah? Yeah,

580
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,960
because that was their only hit,
right, Katrina in the Waves, I

581
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960
think, right, I don't remember
another, that's it. I don't remember

582
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,199
another song. Yeah, yeah,
but he was great in the Soft Boys.

583
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,719
He played like Hendrix. Yeah,
that's it to the really early stuff.

584
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,039
So like I want to destroy you
now with when you were at Rycodisc,

585
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:45,599
was there any merchandising going on there
or or because they were no?

586
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,000
But what we did, and I
think most labels do this is we would

587
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,719
package you in a way that the
super collectors would want. Okay. So

588
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,519
we had a release called Yiktodosa,
which is by Zapper and it's called it

589
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,000
stands for you can't do that on
stage anymore, Okay. So they'd be

590
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:07,400
like five double albums in a box, hand painted. Yeah, so if

591
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,400
you bought all five, you got
the box. So that's kind of merchandising,

592
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
but it's really upselling to persuade people. Don't just buy volumes one through

593
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,880
two, five volumes one through five
and you get this extra thing that makes

594
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,679
sense, you know. My favorite
actually was not Odgen's Flake by the Small

595
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,159
Faces, which came in a circular
tin like a tobacco tin, way before

596
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:37,519
Public Image, because Public Image did
metal tin box as well, So it

597
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,199
was really about that kind of packaging. On One spooth that I came up

598
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,760
with was we did an album with
NRBQ called Honest Dollar. Yeah. I

599
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,519
got a thousand dollars from the bank
and I send it to the band and

600
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,400
I said, I want you to
sign every single dollar bill and then send

601
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,599
them back to me, and I'm
going to put them into CDs and then

602
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:01,280
shuffle them and distribute them. So
if you're an NRBQ fan and you bought

603
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,719
one of those, you might open
out up and find a dollar bill and

604
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,559
they're signed by the band. Oh
wow, Oh that's pretty cool. Yeah

605
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:15,440
yeah, um oh, well that
is that kind of the the most unique

606
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,039
idea that you would So who would
think of that? I mean, that's

607
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,679
that's I assume that was your idea, right, you're the one who came

608
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,079
up with that is that? Is
that the most unique idea that you would

609
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,239
come up with. I had had
another one that it didn't quite take off

610
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,639
in the way I hoped. But
um I introduced Bob Mole to my boss

611
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,280
and he Bob really hated Virgin Records
because they had nothing but session players working

612
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,280
for him. And the session players
you've probably met session players, but they're

613
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,039
very serious and they're in there to
make a dollar and get out of you.

614
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,719
Yeah. Yeah. So he's a
good songwriter and a great guitar player,

615
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,480
and he just didn't like that.
He wanted to be in charge.

616
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,360
Yeah, So he agreed to sign
with Rykodiscus, an original artist, and

617
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,159
he formed a band called Sugar Okay, And the first album he did was

618
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,559
Copper Blue, which is to take
on police. Yeah. So I got

619
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:08,679
with Phillips dupon an optical and we
made a copper CD case okay and printed

620
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,360
the name of the band on the
copple on the outside. Oh wow,

621
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,239
So and that's like a super limited
edition. Yeah, oh wow, that's

622
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:22,920
pretty cool. Wow. Do you
um? Now do you do? Are

623
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,320
you involved in the in the industry
side of things now or or you just

624
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,599
focused on the music. I just
played a guitar. Yeah yeah, do

625
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:31,840
you miss it? No? No, no. As I said, you

626
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,079
know, the more you get embedded
in the record industry, the more you

627
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,039
feel like you need a shower.
Really yeah, And I suppose it's like

628
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,360
that in the film industry and the
advertising agency and publish. Yeah. Interesting.

629
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:54,199
Um, so, I mean,
was there a specific thing that I'm

630
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,679
so curious? I mean, was
there something specific that made you feel that

631
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,639
way? Or was it just him? Over time, I got two albums.

632
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,880
I had cast my net and people
knew who I was and they would

633
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,880
send me demos. Yeah. I
got a tape from Robbie Krieger and my

634
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,920
boss wouldn't put it out. Really
yeah, it was just it was an

635
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,360
instrumental album by by Robbi Kreeger of
The Doors. If you're not recognize,

636
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,119
Oh yeah, yeah, it was
a great album. When they wouldn't do

637
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:22,760
it, they said, we can't
sell that. I go, we can

638
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,880
sell that. They wouldn't know.
And then I got another tape from a

639
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,000
guy whose name I can't quite remember
yet, but he was He was a

640
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,960
student of Bill Brazil's in San Francisco
and he was playing world music really early

641
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,880
before world music really existed. Yeah, And I took it to my boss,

642
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,239
a very nice guy named Don Rose, and he had a desks the

643
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,840
size of yours, this deep in
CDs and dat tapes and cassettes. So

644
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,480
because I worked there, I could
get it to the front of the pile.

645
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:51,840
Yeah. And he listened to it, and he came down the next

646
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,159
day and he said, Conrad,
this is awesome. This is the best

647
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,280
I've ever heard of this genre.
And I said, great, let's put

648
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,000
it out. He said, no, nobody's heard of him. Huh.

649
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,920
So my heart kind of broke because
I go, Okay, So here's the

650
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,760
record industry executive who has the power
to introduce a new act, to put

651
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,559
out original music and chooses not too
Yeah, And I'm guessing it's like that

652
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:19,559
everywhere. Oh I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. And there's um yeah,

653
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:24,440
And you know, there's so many
horror stories too about you know,

654
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,400
like bands they sign with orsol artists
or whomever they signed with the label and

655
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:35,400
U you know, and they sign
whatever however many album deal. Then they

656
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,559
record something and hell maybe it's even
happened to you, I don't know.

657
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,840
And they record an album and then
the label decides not to put it out

658
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,159
and they shelve it for whatever reason. And then the band is like,

659
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,960
and they don't even own the master
recordings of what they just did, and

660
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,639
this label says, no, we're
gonna shelve this for for which could be

661
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,039
for any number of reasons. Yeah, I've got tracks and warehouses in London

662
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,239
at E M I in places,
no kidding. The one that comes to

663
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,320
mind, knows is there's a really
good guitar player in New York called Binkie

664
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,039
Phillips. He was in a band
called The Planets. They headlined CBS.

665
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:14,239
They were huge, and he cut
an album. They were one of the

666
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,519
first buyerracial bands too. They had
had a black guy in the band and

667
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:21,880
three white guys. Early rock days
in the eighties. Yeah, And the

668
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,440
album was phenomenal and it went to
the label and Ted Templeton said, we've

669
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,199
got van Halen, we don't need
the Planets, And it was just like

670
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,119
if he if he just got the
tapes there six months earlier. Yeah,

671
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:44,719
and that that just blew him up, And why wouldn't you eat And yeah,

672
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,679
you've got van Halen, but so
what, why don't you want another?

673
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,559
You know what I mean, why
don't you want to know? Because

674
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:54,480
record companies can't market the same thing
twice in one month. In the book

675
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:59,559
publishing industry, it's called review driven. A book company like Double Day will

676
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,480
have twenty books out a month.
Yeah, they'll promote one of them,

677
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,599
okay, so why do they put
the other nineteen out? They go just

678
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,119
in case. Yeah, and they
say those books are going to be what's

679
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,760
called review driven, okay, but
they're not going to push it, okay.

680
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,119
So it's up to the author to
go out and find a public system

681
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,199
and get on Good Morning America.
But in the record business it's really specific.

682
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,320
It's like, we can do one
girl singer, one boy band,

683
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:27,159
one heavy rock band, one reggae
band. That's it for the next two

684
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,239
months. Okay. I remember watching
an interview with Tori Amos talking about that

685
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,840
shoot the difficulties. Well, we
already have a female right, oh,

686
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,719
we've already got a piano player,
you know, and just what they wouldn't

687
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,800
put her on it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. And from the artist perspective,

688
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,000
it's it's bad luck or good luckpenning
on your timing. Yeah, right,

689
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,760
seriously, I mean when you remember
if you listen to Nora Jones,

690
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,679
now you go, it's good.
But her album came out when there was

691
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,000
nothing like it, right, the
true Yeah oh yeah, so the critics

692
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,039
went, it's just wonderful, right, it was like a dose of fresh

693
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,400
air. Yeah, yeah, that's
interesting. Yeah, and I remember that

694
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,000
too, because I was working for
Strawberries when when Norah Jones I hit big,

695
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,760
And yeah, you're right, I
remember that. And of course now

696
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,920
we you know, we live in
a time where you can you know,

697
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,360
you can put things out yourself on
the release it yourself online, and it's

698
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,719
a it's a completely different world now. I mean, record labels still exist

699
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:30,000
obviously, but um uh yeah,
but it's funny too. You know,

700
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,360
people there's still people who think that, you know, if if I get

701
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,960
signed to a record label, you
know, all my problems will be solved.

702
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,440
And yeah, I remember a meeting
of bands that have been signed in

703
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,800
Utah and they came up to New
York. They got a cheap apartment of

704
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,079
Staten Island for ten bucks a night, and they're all working this way to

705
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:51,119
send barbucks. Yeah. Yeah,
you signed to a major label. It

706
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:53,199
says, yeah, we got no
money, right right, Yeah, yeah,

707
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,119
exactly. Yeah, it is.
It can be a dirty business sets

708
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,159
for sure. Yeah, so I
I can I can see why you got

709
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:07,039
disillusioned with it. Um, listen, Oh, this has been a wonderful

710
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,039
Conrad. We learned a lot and
we went in some directions I wasn't expecting,

711
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,320
which is always a nice surprise.
Um. You know, I love

712
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,079
talking about the music. About other
aspects of the music industry too, is

713
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,000
great. Um. But we do
want to make sure people know where to

714
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:22,840
find you online, your your band, uh, bees DeLux, and if

715
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,000
you have any shows coming up in
the area that you want to you know,

716
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:29,760
we have listeners online from all over, but any any specific shows you

717
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,000
want us to know about anything at
all, social media, whatever you can.

718
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:35,880
You can find us on Facebook as
bees Deluxe, and you can find

719
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,480
our website beast Deluxe dot com.
And our next show is a no cover

720
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:46,400
show matinee at the Porch Southern,
the Southern What's It Cooled Porch Southern Fair

721
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,599
and Duke Joint in Medford, Okay. And it's a matinee Okay. And

722
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,800
we released a video of Jamie Lee
Curtis begging us to put out a matinee

723
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,719
show. Really yeah, oh,
no, I'm kidding. Yeah wow.

724
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,840
And we're on Instagram and Twitter and
mastadon and all those things. So she

725
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,559
was at she was at late the
the Grammys or something like that, and

726
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:13,079
she was begging Bruce Springsteen to stay
on mat and a she goes to bed

727
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,440
at seven in the evening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we cripped

728
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,199
the video and put our name in
there. It's brilliant. I love it.

729
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:22,760
I love it all right, very
good. And the website, of

730
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,920
course is bizelos dot com. And
uh, Conrad, this has been wonderful.

731
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Thank you again so much, my
friend for coming in. Thank you

732
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,280
Jen and Matt, thanks for having
me absolutely and we will we will end

733
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,320
the show with one more of your
songs, but I will let you pick.

734
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,840
Uh. We played beer. We
opened the program today with song number

735
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,440
nine, and then of course we
played umu flat Earth Conspiracy earlier. I

736
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:55,000
think I'll let you dodge the longest
track because that you'll get mad at me

737
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,360
if you play, but play a
shorter track called blues for Cameroon, lose

738
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,880
for Camera my favorite football team.
Okay, um oh there it is yep.

739
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,800
Oh, by the way, flat
Earth conspiracy? What why why is

740
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,639
it called that. Did you listen
to the lyrics? Yeah, but I

741
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,119
was. I was distracted and doing
other stuff while I was playing. Is

742
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,800
it I mean? Is that literally? What it's about? It's written in

743
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,119
response to all of the nut jobs
on the internet. Nice. I will

744
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,400
revisit that song later in the weekend. Play it again now, yeah,

745
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,400
yeah, yeah, no kidding?
Very cool? All right, but we

746
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,559
will end with Blues for Cameroon.
H Jenny, did you want to plug

747
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,719
anything, your website or anything.
Absolutely. You can check me out at

748
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,679
Gencoffee dot com, j E.
N ncofi dot com. Look for my

749
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,440
writings on the Mighty and stay tuned
for more information on my battle with the

750
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,519
health insurance companies. Yes, yes, all right, very good. All

751
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:52,880
right, so we're gonna end with
this, Conrad, thank you again,

752
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:58,320
and this is Blues for Cameroon from
the Band B's Deluxe