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M It's a big world out there. Welcome to Bigfoot's Wilderness Podcast. We'll

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welcome back to Bigfoot's Wilderness tonight.
I have a special guest on the podcast.

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His name is Greg and he's going
to share his encounter and his book

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Ridgewalker in Two Worlds. But before
we start the interview, I thought i'd

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share a story or two. And
if you're a pro Bigfoot believer, as

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some would say, you may find
these stories pretty incredible. I'll just say

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that Bigfoot behavior isn't always going to
be the same. They can be different,

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just like we are. This first
story was published on a Facebook page

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called the Sasquatch Highway. If you're
using Facebook to follow groups and pages,

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I highly suggest this one. A
lot of effort is put into it and

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it's not your run of the mill
Bigfoot fan page. And by the way,

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check out Bigfoots Wilderness too when you're
checking through your social media. Thanks

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everyone, I think this has got
to be my favorite story and the image,

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well, it actually speaks of kindness
and innocence. Once again, this

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is from a group of friends that
are telling me all these stories, which

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I don't know whether or not they're
true, but I find them very amusing

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and inspirations for my art. The
subject in this is Robert, who lives

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out in the woods and has his
best friend, a bully pitbull by the

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name of Roscoe, who weighs a
whopping one hundred and twenty pounds. Roscoe

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is quite intimidating and has been known
to chase the local black bears away,

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yet overall has a very kind,
playful, yet protective demeanor. Robert began

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to notice a daily pattern of Roscoe
running off towards the evening and would come

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back within an hour and a half
with either a bone or a large stick,

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and would place them in a pile
in front of the front door that

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was beginning to build up. Finally, curiosity got the best of rot so

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on a particular day, he discreetly
followed behind Roscoe to see what was this

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routine that occupied his thoughts and actions
every day, and what was behind these

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sticks and bones that he was collecting. Robert began to notice that Roscoe,

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without hesitation, was heading straight towards
a bridge that overlooked a creek and that

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had an embankment on the side that
the locals say was inhabited by something that

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looks like a giant bear, but
was much larger than any of the local

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bears ever seen because people only got
a glimpse of it. Robert began to

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hear the sound of Roscoe barking,
but surprisingly it was in a playful way.

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Once he got to the area,
he found Roscoe at the edge of

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the bridge, barking by the side
of the embankment, but not going into

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it. Suddenly, Robert began to
hear a movement and to actually feel the

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pounding of whatever it was. Given
the disc it must have been huge,

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as he could actually feel each step
made by whatever this was. Suddenly like

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a bolt of lightning, his heart
began to shudder, and he thought the

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metallic taste in his mouth that accompanies
that paralyzing fear. He just stood there,

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motionless as it came up from the
embankment. It had to be well

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over nine feet tall, with shoulders
three times as wide as his own.

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It initially glared at Robert, almost
as if to acknowledge that it knew he

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was there, but proceeded to ignore
Robert and took a stick that was in

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its hand and threw it in the
direction of Roscoe. Robert sat in amazement

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on a stump. As this went
on for about forty five minutes, as

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these two seemed to have some kind
of bond and it was obvious that this

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interaction was something that they both came
to look forward to. During the entire

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interaction, neither this thing nor Rosco
go looked in Robert's direction, with the

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exception of the one time it momentarily
gazed to acknowledge that it knew he was

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there. Suddenly, this huge,
almost human looking creature let out a grunt,

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which evidently Roscoe understood to mean that
their interaction was done. Upon turning

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and heading back towards the embankment,
it stopped and looked at Robert and let

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out the oddest sound. It was
a very deep chested, heavy but soft

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whoop, and glared into his eyes
for a good five seconds. Robert could

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almost read what it was trying to
tell him by its glare, and to

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this day he has not taken anyone
to the area, though he has on

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many occasions gone and watched the interaction
from a distance, and out of respect

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for the sheer experience of witnessing this
such a strong bond yet strangely pure and

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innocent interaction, Robert stays out of
it. Robert stated that he gets the

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impression they don't want to interact with
us too much because they don't trust us.

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Artist and sculptor Andrea Lupchenko claims that
he came face to face with an

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abominable snowman back in twenty fifteen.
What's more, the Yeti almost seemed to

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pose for him, not withdrawing or
skulking away into the wilderness. Lupchenko attempted

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to draw the creature on some birch
bark. The pair even managed to speak.

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He claimed, it happened so unexpectedly
and fast that I didn't have time

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to get scared. He said,
there was a clear feeling that this was

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a thinking creature, and I felt
he was trying to talk to me.

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The yetty was two and a half
meters tall or about eight feet tall,

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with thick, dark brown hair like
a bear's, but looked softer, not

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as coarse as a bear's, and
it was holding a wooden stick with bits

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of hair wrapped around it. But
the main thing was his eyes. They

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were just like light colored human eyes. At the time, he was in

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the remote tiger Kmarovo region, well
known as the Russian region with the most

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yetty sightings. It was on the
morning of the twenty seventh of July.

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I went into Tiger to gather materials
for wooden sculptures. I usually get a

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lot of curved and unusually shaped branches. I live right next to the edge

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of Tiger, so I left early
in the morning. It was five am.

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I was getting close to the Trunuka
Mountain. I went out onto a

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small open patch, and there I
began to feel a presence. It was

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that feeling that you get when you
know you're not alone. I started to

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turn back and saw something standing up. It was him deeper in the woods,

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not going away, but trying to
communicate. It happened so unexpectedly and

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fast that I had no time to
get scared. Lupchenko explained further, I

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am saying he because of the shape
of his body, his gestures, his

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behavior were clearly mail. His body
was very tone, with lots of visible

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muscles. His hands and feet were
proportionate to his body the same way as

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with humans. His face was expressive. Also, I remember he had huge

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legs, and a rough estimation was
that he had about eighteen inches of a

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footprint. His feet were huge I
can't describe or understand how we spoke,

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because well, it sounds unbelievable.
It felt like we heard each other's thoughts,

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as if it was telepathy. There
was only one word that the Yetty

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actually said when I asked his name. His voice was low and chesty,

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and the name resounded as if somebody
hit a tambourine twice ta'ban. After the

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encounter, he sought a person who
spoke the local Siberian Shore language and asked

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about a meaning of the word,
without explaining where and how he heard it.

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He was told that there can be
several translations, one meaning a soul

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and another one meaning the one that
wasn't discovered. The artist said he was

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talking to the Yetty for about forty
minutes. He admitted he could not prove

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his encounter and that he was previously
predisposed to believe in the existence of the

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Yeti, factors which are in common
with many supposed sightings. I didn't have

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my phone or camera phone or a
camera, but I always carry a pencil

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and something I can draw on.
This time it was a piece of birch

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tree bark. He said, I
made a drawing of the Yeti and showed

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him the YETI studied it really careful
for a while, and then he drew

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a symbol next to my drawing.
I still can't find what the symbol means.

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I've been going through books and the
Internet but found nothing really similar.

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Well, there is one similar looking
symbol for friendship, but I am not

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sure this is it. If Yeti's
live so close to people. He was

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asked by Natalia Guzeva, a journalist, why they did not show themselves more

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to humans. I wonder if they
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it was easy to put up with
this meeting. I am still in a

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state of shock. I can't believe
it happened to me, he said,

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Why was he chosen by the Yetti? I guess it was just a pure

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coincidence. Or perhaps it happened because
I sincerely believed in Yetti's existence and imagined

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how one day I would meet him. I've been dreaming about meeting them.

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To be honest, I also don't
think I am the only person that has

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ever met a Yetti. Others simply
don't speak about it rightly, fearing they

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might be called insane. All I
can say about myself is that I am

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as normal as one can find.
I am physically and mentally healthy. I

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don't drink or take drugs. I
think one day I'll get back to the

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place where we've met. I think
we might see each other again, the

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newspaper said it asked about him,
and he is a reputable person in the

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city, quite well known, and
certainly isn't seen as a nutter. Russia's

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best known Yeti hunter, igor Bertsev, head of the Russian International Center of

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Homonology, has previously stated that as
many as thirty yeti's rome Kameovo region,

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we are on the brink of finding
the Yetti at long last, he said

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back in two thousand eleven. However, many sightings or finds of yetty hair

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or footprints have been disputed by other
experts who point out no remains of the

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animal have ever been discovered. All
right, and onto our interview with Greg

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and his bigfoot encounter and also his
book Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds. Enjoy so

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Greg, thank you so much for
coming on to Bigfoots Wilderness podcast. And

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I want to tell you that what
your encounter story that you shared with me

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that I've read, I really enjoyed, and I know you've got a lot

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more than that to share. We're
all looking forward to hearing about your book,

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and then, of course we'll always
want to know after that if you're

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writing another book. But Greg is
a writer, author, and his bigfoot

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book, I called it a big
footbook, is called Ridgewalker in Two Worlds.

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Very cool cover, too, sore
share with us now, I know

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I kind of put a couple of
a little regiment together. I said,

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Okay, I want to know about
your book. I want to know about

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your counter story. I want to
know. I also want to know about

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your your favorite video or photo out
there that you think prus that Bigfoot is

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real. Now, of course,
I'm totally in the camp of Bigfoot is

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reel. I saw something a few
years ago, and I'm almost positive that

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bigfoot is absolutely real. My kids
saw it, everybody in my family saw

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it. But I'm the only one
that believes what I saw isn't that creating?

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It happens as such. Yes,
So thank you for having me on

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your show. I deeply appreciate that. My name is Greg Walter, author

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of Bridgewalkers in Two Worlds. I
based the book on my encounter that I

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had with one of these cryptids back
in it was like the mid nineteen nineties

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and right on the borderlands between southern
Oregon and northern California, and it was

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a very inten ends experience. I
didn't realize what I had walked into,

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but over the course of several years
I was able to piece together what I

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experienced, and that's what led me
down this path of where these things are

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more spiritual than they are in the
horror genre. But that was my experience

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and so and that was within the
area of knowledge and in place that I

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know the best. The book is
a sci fi magical realism. I did

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that on purpose, I guess,
in part just to test my ability to

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write a sci fi book, but
also that I sin since we all are

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still struggling with provenance within the crypted
arena of you know, what are these

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things? Are they here twenty four
seven? Why why aren't they in the

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fossil record? Why haven't we found
a full skeleton? Some would argue,

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well, we kind of have,
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We found remnants, but in different
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Northwest, and you know, and
I think that there's a reason for that.

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I think. Also, you know, this is once again my thoughts

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on the topic, and you know, this is this is why we tend

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to um, we tend to tell
a story or a narrative that this is

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what we've been able to piece together. And this is the thing is that

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as much as I can can debate
on this show, as as far as

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being a skeptic in this and I'm
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also then you know, it still
comes back around to all of the various

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sightings in all of these different places, and but yet we still have very

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little physical evidence. We have the
footprints and the casts. And you know,

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the one part I hang my hat
on there was that from Texas who

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was ah, he was a forensic. He was a forensic guy basically,

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you know, making a statement looking
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studies footprints as far as solving crimes. That's his that's his suit DuJour.

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ninety eight percent of all those footprints
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It's somebody having fun with you.
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them two of them that he said, this cannot have been have been falsified,

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and you know, and he just
basically left it with you know,

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whatever it is, you folks up
there in the Northwest have got something that

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you know, you don't know about
yet. And so that jumped to me

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because that was a guy that he
didn't care one way or the other the

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thing exists, it doesn't exist.
You know, he's looking at shoeprints so

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he can solve a crime down in
Texas. And so you know that I

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like those kind of bias thoughts on
this, you know, when we get

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into you know, real versus fake
and you know, but but says,

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a lot of my friends are in
the scientific community, and you know,

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and a lot of them also are
wildlife surveyors and similar to I think I

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sent you a video of this of
the most elusive man in North America where

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it took him six weeks to finally
find this guy. And you know,

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and someone like that, you know, it's kind of weird because that can

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play on both sides. Like I
have a friend that lives out probably within

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six air miles or where I had
my encounter, and he's lived out on

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the land there for forty five years
off and on. I mean, he

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kind of disappears in different seasons,
steps out of there and goes goes down

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into California or wherever he's going.
But you know, he's never had an

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encounter. No tree knocks, no
no feeding them apples, nothing results.

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Um, you know, everything that's
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he knows about he got from me. And a lot of that too is

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where that's because he's not in the
right place to have the encounter with these

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things, which then kind of wait
a minute, you know, because I

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felt like the thing that I saw
would have no problem traversing the landscape going

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across i mean, major river canyons
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people say, oh, it's a
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that they did. You know.
Now, the question that that really we

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need to bring to bear here is
that are these things here twenty four to

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seven like we have, you know, monkeys living in a cave somewhere,

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or are they coming from the other
place or another place? And that would

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be you know, so now we
go go down the rabbit hole of dimensional

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theory and all of these different scientific
things that I think we fully know about

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three percent of the universe right now, and so there's a lot of room

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for for knowledge to fourth. And
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is that when you think about theory, you know, before you get to

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theory, you have to have hypothesis, and before you get to hypothesis,

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you have to have an idea,
you know, and then and then work

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your way through the evidence gathering,
you know, and all these different things

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that leads to theory that then leads
to fact and so so that's so that's

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kind of you know, just a
scientific process that that we need to get

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broken down, um, you know. And that's but I mean back around

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to that fellow and his name slips
my mind, sig or Big or something.

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Um. You know that that for
the amount of time he spends out

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there, you know, how often
has he run across something that like,

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wait a minute, that wasn't a
bear, that wasn't a cougar? You

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know? What was that? And
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you know, because a lot of
people who are unfamiliar with the woods see

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things where it's just a bear,
you know, you know, might be

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something weird like a like a fisher
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which is very rare. But nonetheless, they are around out there and you

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know, um and so and so, did we run across a known animal

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or but it was just something that
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know, or was it something else? And this is where and this is

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where the mystery is, and this
is what makes it really so much fun.

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Oh, I totally agree. Excuse
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is there are so many TV shows, and I don't want to go off

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on a tangent about TV shows,
but I hope everybody can understand it.

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I'm not a TV producer an executive. I know about as much about TV

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as anybody else listening to this.
They are never going to prove Bigfoot is

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real on TV. If you found
that Bigfoot was real and they had all

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the evidence displayed on TV, their
show would be over. They don't want

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their show to be over. They
to run that thing for ten more years,

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just like they did with the last
one. So it's never gonna happen

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on TV. So everything that anybody
watches on TV, it's just going to

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be suspenseful. And that's going to
be the end of it. You're never

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gonna find out anything about Bigfoot on
TV. Just remember that it's entertainment.

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TV is entertainment now. And that's
kind of what you know, when you

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think about like Patterson Gimblin just sort
of like a you know, you know,

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the Rosetta stone of this whole of
this whole foundation of Bigfoot and motion,

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you know. And and it's difficult
there because there's a lot of ways

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we could say, wow, for
sure that was it. The muscle structure,

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the way the thing moved, et
cetera, so forth, it wasn't

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like anything that I saw. Um, you know, my guy was probably

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like a solitary male, thin,
very muscular. Could I mean this thing

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could run down a deer and kill
it, you know, with its bare

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hands, no problem, grab a
rock and just go clunk and um,

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you know, down a deer at
a dead run. Um, that thing

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on the Patterson Gimlin. And I
don't think so the deer could easily escape

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that guy. Um, I think, you know, um, show me

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something different. But but you know, the other thing there too was that

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was that this is where the skeptics
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it was it was late October,
and they raised a good point here.

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You know, the rainy season was
about to set in. Um.

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If you've ever spent any time in
Bluff Creek, it's actually a very beautiful

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canyon. Um. I've done a
lot of historic trail research. There were

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not a lot, but you know, I was able to find the actual

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historic trail going up from the Klamath
River and going all the way up the

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creek. Um. You know.
Now, the thing is that so here

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it was late October, those guys
were under the gun to come up with

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something. Roger Patterson I think had
an experience or you know, he was

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a he was a Hollywood stunt stunt
guy, and so he was familiar with

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costumes and you know, things like
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So there's there's that just a plant. And then the other part of that

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too was that I thought that the
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Ray or something. Yeah, yeah, I thought he was the one that

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said I was the guy in the
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and the thing about it is that that

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might have been debunket. Well that
wasn't Renee or you know, I'm I'm

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yeah, a friend of mine and
I actually talk a little bit about this

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in my book Ridgewalkers in Two Worlds. I'm gonna hold it up, and

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I'm regarding treasure hunting, you know, and how when you tell somebody you

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know that that pirate peach secret treasure
got found, you know, than their

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immediate responses where you're just saying that
because you're gonna go after it now and

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you're gonna take it from me and
so and so, and this is it's

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a common thing within the treasure hunting
community. You know that they're very possessive

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with the stuff. Go figure,
it's treasure, right right, It's not

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not unlike two salesmen who won't share
each other's trade secrets. I get that,

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but I I really want to hear
your encounter story from start to finish.

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That's what I'm I think everybody's gonna
really gravitate towards and then and then

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I want um and then I and
I'll ask for more later. But while

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you're doing that, I'm going to
eat these peanuts Carolina Nut Company with smokey

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mazzarella flavor. I've been dying to
try these all day long. So it

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won't be my popcorn, so it'll
be my peanuts and I will be eating

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these and listening intently. So whenever
you're ready, I want to hear that,

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because that because we can we can
go on and on about um,

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Patty and Jeff Meldrum and Grover Crantz
and all that, and uh, but

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you're you're you. You had an
experience and only you can share it the

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way you can. And unfortunately I
didn't get any photographs, Um, you

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know, but but I'll I'll break
this out that goes beyond the book a

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little bit. But also I want
to peak the listener into wanting to get

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a copy of the book so they
could read, because I put my personal

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experience as a twenty three hundred word
they're right up in the beginning of the

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book, and it kind of what
it took many I mean, it took

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two decades or longer for me to
actually decide to tell this story to the

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world. And you know, and
I still do it with a lot of

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hesitancy because I feel like I've become
some weird protector of the native ways of

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how they approach these things and what
it means to them. And that's from

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doing a lot of research, talking
to elders and sorting this thing out.

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And the thing I love about that
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it goes back thousands of years within
their culture in certain cultures, and so

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and there's a lot more to it
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the little people and that's their gods, that's their immortals and so m you

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know, it's not like in some
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That's what they do, you know, it's what they believe in. And

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so okay, So what happened.
I think I was at a time in

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my life where I was going through
changes. I needed to get out on

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an area and I needed to just
because I was a backpacker at heart,

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I was totally familiar with hiking across
the landscape, going out there, you

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know, living in a little pup
tent for for six to twelve nights.

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as you know, the PCT hiker, where I want to hike from Mexico

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to Canada. I was more into
different areas that offered me a wilderness experience.

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And you know, hence the show
Bigfoot's Wilderness, um, and you

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know, and I didn't think I
was walking into this, and so as

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I went into it with unexpectations and
so but I had it in my mind,

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like I thought, you know,
wouldn't it be cool if I ran

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into dot dot dot? So so
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an area and it was going to
be about a sixty mile loop hike,

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so to speak, kind of a
weird elongated loop, because I was following

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a couple of different ridgelines and then
dropping into a river canyon. And the

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trail, it showed it very clearly
on this map that was completely inaccurate.

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When you get out on the ground, you know, it's like the trail

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all that disappears, you know.
Sometimes I was having to backpack like three

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hundred yards see some rock carns because
it would cross a meadow. I'd see

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the cairns. Well, then it
would disappear in the forest and I'd have

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to drop the pack, scout the
trail out, go back to the pack,

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pick it up, do the same
thing repeatedly for miles, for like

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two or three miles. And so
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well, well, first of all, before I took off, before I

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went on the actual sixty mile hike, I decided to go to this other

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place very close by, and I
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campfire. I was by myself. I

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didn't have a gun. I had
my camera, but I didn't use it

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very much. It was just just
one of these funky little small cameras and

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so and so I went out there
and burned some sage, and then from

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there went back to my truck.
The next morning, loaded up my gear

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for the longer trip, took off
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to it my second night, so
to speak. I went to a place

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where there was a spring. And
I saw the spring. I just kind

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of glanced at it. And I
set up my tent in a really really

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small meadow, but a very beautiful
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and these things are huge, and
the whole damn place smelled like pencils,

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you know, like sharpened pencils.
It was just just amazing. You know.

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It was summer, you know,
and so and really it was an

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early summer, and that was a
year that there was going to be I

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think two blue moons, but I
got the first blue moon month and it

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was that first blue moon in early
June, and so and so there was

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going to be a rising moon.
I was catching it right on the moon

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rise or or you know, like
this, and um. And from there,

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I set up my tent, went
back over to this spring to put

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some water, fill up with some
water, and I see this beautiful,

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beautiful giant salamander, and I went, wow, you are so cool,

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you know, And I picked him
up and held him and thanked him for

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being there and like this to set
him back down. And then and then

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from there, I then you know, slept the night, you know,

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bugs eating me and so forth.
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because you know, once again having
to drop my pack, navigate where this

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trail is because it was basically all
but obliterated and um. And I get

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out to a place that I knew
geographically where I was, and so I

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I then from that from that point
where there was a juncture, there was

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another mountain range almost that are like
a like a major ridge line that that

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kind of fed in right there.
And I went walking up and there was

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this amphitheater and I thought, wow, this is cool. It's a big

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flat area about the size of a
football field, you know, roughly and

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brushy and forested in certain areas and
then open forests and others. And so

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so I camped next to a there
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live, you know, in this
in this region. You know, they

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eat insects. Sorry, they don't
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this area. What that showed me
was that I was on a contact zone

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because it went from conifer forest into
these picture plants and incense cedar. And

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also there was Jeffrey poine and so
that's what's called a serpentine environment. And

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serpentine is its geology from the Earth's
mantle risen up. But then you also

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get these contact zones, and this
is important, um and so so at

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any rate, um. From there, what happened was I walked up to

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the top of this ridge line.
There were some turns up there, like

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little ponds, you know, maybe
like the size of someone's bedroom ponds you

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know, and maybe about a foot
deep and so and so just to get

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a view out over the general region
and so forth went back to me.

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I went back to my camp.
The sun was setting, and it was

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at time of the thin red line, and Carlos Castaneda talks about this.

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There are several there's several entities that
talk about that time of power from from

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lightness into dark. And it was
right at that time, right at the

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thin red line, that all of
a sudden, I hear this bush crash,

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crash, crack, dundun dune over
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And it wasn't that far from me, maybe I don't know, maybe

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like one hundred hundred and twenty feet, but I could hear this thing and

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then it stops and there was a
couple of ponds up there and it um

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and I could hear this slurping sound
slurt, slurb slurt, and hell is

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you know this is not a air
well. Also, I should mention prior

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to that, you know, when
I was setting up my camp, I

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was sweating from the day and so
forth, I set my tent up and

407
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I went over and um and I
would I would basically boil up a little

408
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.559
bit of water. I didn't even
get into a boil, just just nice

409
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.799
warm water I could pour over my
head, you know, to wash all

410
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.880
the you know, the dust and
dirt off from the day in the sweat.

411
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.759
And so I find this place where
it's like a little bit of a

412
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.640
gravelly wash, you know, but
very small. Um. And it had

413
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.519
gravel and some sand and stuff,
and that was a nice flat rock.

414
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.480
So I said, okay, that's
perfect, I'll stand there and pour.

415
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:38.680
Well, right when I was about
the poor water in my head, I

416
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:43.240
looked down. I see a footprint, and I'm going, okay, this

417
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.160
is cool. Um. And the
knee thing with it was and darn it,

418
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.039
I didn't bring my plaster, you
know, so I couldn't make a

419
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.720
plaster cast or anything. Um but
um. But at any rate, it

420
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:59.119
had a curvature at the heel.
And that jumped at me because I remember

421
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.720
seeing the patter in casts, and
I remember seeing you know, just because

422
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.960
you live in Bigfoot country, you
know, you want to get familiar with

423
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.480
these cool things. And I remember
for some reason that locked in my head.

424
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.960
And so at anyway, I continued
taking my bath and went back over

425
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.239
to my tent. And then I
noticed over by the tent there were like

426
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.519
footprints, but they were smeared and
so, you know, and I thought,

427
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.320
oh, it looks like a couple
of bears must have been wrestling or

428
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.800
you know, something was in a
struggle here. And you know, in

429
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.960
this area and in that whole region
of the Klamaths, it's rich with bears.

430
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.480
I mean they are just they're like
clockwork. Two o'clock in the afternoon.

431
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:38.519
Go to any meadow, and boy, there's a couple of them,

432
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.039
you know, and they love grazing
on the onions out in the meadows.

433
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.159
You know, there's these wild onions
out there, and so and so at

434
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:51.039
anyway, it's summertime. You know, they're closing in on summer and so,

435
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:52.320
so anyway, all of that was
happening. I go up and I

436
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.679
get this view spot. I come
back down. Here comes this encounter.

437
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.119
This thing comes across and drinks water. I could hear it slurping water.

438
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.920
So wherever it was, it was
in a place it must not have held

439
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.719
any water. And that also registered
with me later that he didn't come down

440
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.599
from the ridgeline. Otherwise I would
have heard him. And also we would

441
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.559
have drank water up there because there
was ponds up there available. And so

442
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.800
as I hear this thing's drinking water, and then I hear a splash,

443
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.719
splash, splash, crash, cracked, And all this time he's moving in

444
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:31.159
the shadow of the amphitheater. He's
staying in shadow. This thing knows moonlight

445
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.280
light, you know, like this
end shadow and so and so he was.

446
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.719
He was completely attuned to what he
was doing. And from there he

447
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:45.599
does a semicircle around my camp.
Probably the closest point where he came to

448
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.320
me was maybe about sixty maybe seventy
feet away, maybe a little farther,

449
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.760
but in that realm. And now
I'm finally seeing him. And it was

450
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:58.559
a biped maybe eight eight and a
half feet tall, and this thing just

451
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.559
glass. He turned and looked at
me with these icy gray eyes, and

452
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.559
yeah, God, I'd seen that
before somewhere in all my comic book reading

453
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.280
and so forth, like this,
um you know. Side note that was

454
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.800
from a Tarzan comic book. I
had, like a Life magazine sized one,

455
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.000
and it showed the apes, you
know, and god, there were

456
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.639
those icy gray eyes. So anyway, this thing, this thing stares me

457
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.840
down. I'm holding my flashlight by
my tent, I don't have it on,

458
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.239
and I just here in my head, don't even think about it.

459
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.679
You know, I'm like, don't, don't even put that on me.

460
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.880
You know, you're not going to
treat me like a cop, you know,

461
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.880
and so and so at that point, I just froze, you know,

462
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.960
I just stood still, and this
thing continues to do a semi circle

463
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.760
and then drops down below you know
where where he's hiking, down where he

464
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.440
would cross the trail that I came
in on, and then down into the

465
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:59.079
river canyon or down into like a
side creek which is a big creek.

466
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.679
But but you know, and then
disappears. You know. Um, so

467
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.599
here it was, you know,
ten o'clock at night, you know,

468
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.400
having this encounter. I'm out there
by myself, four or five six miles

469
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.559
away from my truck, and you
know, there's no way I'm going to

470
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.159
pack up my gear and split an
abject fear it'd probably kill myself for getting

471
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.559
severely hurt trying to get out of
there. And so I said, you

472
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:28.280
know what, to heck with it. He knows where I'm at, and

473
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.000
so if he wants to come back
with a big club, and you know,

474
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.760
club bea to death and that's what's
going to happen. But I didn't

475
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.800
get that he didn't come back.
There was no rocks thrown at my tent.

476
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.800
There was nothing. And I probably
had about a minute and a half

477
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:47.199
to two minutes with him in the
amphitheater as he appeared cross this, cross

478
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:52.079
this pond and disappeared and I got
there was just a couple of seconds where

479
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.599
I got a really good look at
him, you know, and I could

480
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.639
see the hair and just very athletic. I mean, this thing was muscled.

481
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.440
Um. Yeah, it could easily. I mean, go ahead,

482
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.039
you could be the most you know, long distance runner imaginable. This thing

483
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.440
would to run you down no problem, um, you know. And it

484
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.679
could make distance. I mean,
you know as far as as far as

485
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.039
it wouldn't surprise me if this thing
could do thirty miles in a night or

486
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.559
forty. I mean, it was
just that strong. And I'm in a

487
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.519
heavy presence, I mean, and
and I felt like it wasn't from this

488
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.719
world. Um, but some of
that could be that I that I'm running

489
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:34.920
across a biped you know, I'm
bigger than me walking by me, you

490
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.960
know, and so right there.
That's that's gonna that's gonna make the freak

491
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.480
meter go go through the charts.
So that was it, you know,

492
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.880
and then from there I continued on
my hike. Well, I dropped down

493
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.079
so the next day because there was
a couple of big lakes down at the

494
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.599
other side of this where I got
up on the high point, and I

495
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.199
decided the next day to drop down
there to see if I see footprints down

496
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.159
there, you know, to see
if this thing came up from that side.

497
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.119
So I went down. It was
it was a struggle, scramble down

498
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.639
the boulders and so forth like this. I got down to this lake,

499
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.360
you know, six hundred feet below
me. Nothing no footprints, no,

500
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.159
no, no, nothing. You
know, I didn't see any big foot

501
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.159
cave, you know, not a
And so I went back to my pack,

502
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:22.239
continued on my way, and at
a later point where I was about

503
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.039
to spend the night at a certain
place, I ran into a couple of

504
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:30.079
bear you out in a meadow afternoon, and it was just so much fun

505
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.159
because you know, they were romping
and playing in the meadow and I just

506
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.559
got to sit down, sit in
the grass, relax, and they would

507
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.079
look over at me. But then
they just continue romping and playing, and

508
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.559
I just felt like, okay,
so I'm kind of part of the whole

509
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.320
scene here. You know, I'm
not above it, I'm not below it.

510
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:51.039
I'm just a part of it.
I'm just woven into the fabric of

511
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.199
nature. At this point. This
is cool. And so so from there

512
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.840
it continued on my hike, no
other encounters, nothing, all right.

513
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.559
So then years later this is where
it gets. This is the stuff that's

514
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:12.119
outside the book. Sorry, I'm
okay, um um and so and so

515
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.880
what happened was years later, somebody
really needs to get a hold of you.

516
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.880
Yeah right, Well I thought I
put it on airplane mode, but

517
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.320
I guess not. Um yeah and
so and so at any rate, um

518
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:30.840
um I um so. So years
later, I mean obviously this prompted me

519
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.840
to start doing research in this.
And there was a time where I tried

520
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.280
calling um it was a guy doing
the big Foot project and he was the

521
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.159
one. It was like one eight
hundred big foot and I called him one

522
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.760
time and just had a real brief
I think I left a message and that

523
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.079
was it. He never called back. Peter Byrne, That's who it was.

524
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.239
And um and so because this was
kind of hot on the plate at

525
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.639
that time, you know, as
far as he encounters all right, Well

526
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.559
so then so then I remember going
back in there with some of my friends

527
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.719
and UM, and we were getting
recorded on these game cameras, and then

528
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.199
we run into this group. Well
part of the group was this guy from

529
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.960
the Crypto of the Crypto, the
Society of Cryptozoological Research in New York City

530
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.639
and UM, and he was going
out there on repeated trips, and I

531
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.039
think his third trip in there was
right after that he died of an inoperable

532
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:32.039
brain tumor. And UM and boy
did that ever? Did that ever send

533
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.159
alarm bells off? And um and
so and so. At any rate,

534
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.320
what happened there was in the course
that I think it was like five years

535
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.280
later, I was talking to an
elder and you know when he was telling

536
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:46.639
me, he said, well,
you know, just to let you know

537
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.480
in this whole thing, that the
doctors or the apprentices, you know,

538
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.320
one or the other, they would
go up, they would have prayer spots

539
00:41:54.360 --> 00:42:00.440
that they would go along into the
mountains to approach these areas. And these

540
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.559
areas are I mean, you've just
walked into their church and um, you

541
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.320
know, and and so and so
at anyway in these areas, though,

542
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:15.039
they would do different prayers and um
and they and from there, if they

543
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.280
approached the spring, if they get
up to a spring, if they see

544
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.920
a salamander in the spring, that's
an indicator that they're on the right path,

545
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.559
that they're going to have their encounter. And so then what they would

546
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:35.519
do is that next night they would
wait at the just the right time and

547
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.599
they would literally sing a song of
introduction, especially when the thing would would

548
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:45.280
would appear and or approach, So
they would sing a song of introduction,

549
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.360
and then they would sing a song
seeking knowledge and the knowledge, you know,

550
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.199
keep in mind they're doing this in
their native tongue, you know,

551
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:59.559
you know, sorry, the Lingua
Francas, you know, whatever the natives

552
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:04.599
have spoken for the last two thousand
years, um and so and so.

553
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.960
What would happened then is that the
Sasquads they're also known as the teacher and

554
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.119
the teachers, what they do is
they portend the future for the tribe.

555
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.559
And you know, a great example
just recently was we had these fires along

556
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.519
the Klamath River, and the fires, um, you know, they were

557
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.639
able to get somewhere out of a
control on this. But then here comes

558
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:30.960
these rain clouds that drop rain that
then cause like a landslide of ash into

559
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.000
the river. That then so here
comes a bunch of phosphorus into the river

560
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.360
that displaces the oxygen that kills the
fish and so so, and this is

561
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.000
the kind of thing that the big
Foot or the you know, these teachers

562
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.320
would would basically tell them that,
you know, you might you might have

563
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.599
a problem with your fish supply this
next summer, and so you better plan

564
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.440
for other food sources. And that's
that's the power of what these things bring.

565
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.920
They portend the future for the tribe, for the survivability and especially food

566
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.079
security for that tribe. And so
you know, and this is and I

567
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.519
feel like this knowledge is pretty universal. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me

568
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.639
if pretty much anywhere in the North
American continent wherever these things, you know,

569
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.559
wherever sightings are, at one time
or another, there was a there

570
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:23.280
was a relationship and that you had
tribal people, certain elders, certain shamans

571
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.559
and so overth like that we're able
to go up there and approach these things

572
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.760
and gain knowledge from them, um, you know, And to me,

573
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.039
that just Wow. That blows my
mind. Um, because because when this

574
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.800
fellow was telling me about this five
years later, I had to think,

575
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.719
think afterward, I think you know
now that I remember I had this encounter

576
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:47.000
with a salamander, you know,
and um, and I kind of how

577
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.760
was he telling me what I saw
when I didn't tell it to him?

578
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.159
And you know, and so and
so now there's that's some fairly good providence,

579
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.320
um, you know. But um, but at any rate, it

580
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.400
was just something that it was like
I walk into this thing and I'm the

581
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.480
stupid one, you know, Um, you know, because I just didn't

582
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.039
contain that knowledge. And you know, those apprentices underneath the shaman under you

583
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.760
know, the shamans, they are
trained for years sometimes to even approach these

584
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:21.000
places and be able to go up
into these higher places of power and be

585
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.559
able to contend with whatever they run
into. Um, you know, because

586
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.559
the thing, I mean like I
felt like if I would have put a

587
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.039
flashlight on him and hey hold on, let me get my camera out and

588
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.880
stay right there, you know,
I mean, this thing could easily just

589
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.039
walk over and you know, brain
me with a beefbone. Um, you

590
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:45.320
know. But but instead I held
respect and slept like a baby. Um,

591
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.360
slept like a baby through the night, and the thing never back.

592
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.599
And and I didn't hear any tree
knocks. I didn't have any you know,

593
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.559
I didn't have the normal sorts of
things you hear in a lot of

594
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.039
these encounter stories. UM. You
know, I wonder how much of that

595
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.440
is antagonists stick not so much from
the people to the sasquatch, but from

596
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.920
the sasquatch to the people out there. I don't know. I mean,

597
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.639
that's that's an open question I have. UM. So yeah, that was

598
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.159
That was pretty much it. Um. You know. In since then,

599
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.039
it's led me down a path of
doing a lot more research in linguistic studies,

600
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.239
tribal lore, um, you know, all these different things that that

601
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:29.039
cooborated with my story, and that
that salamander came back around to the salamander.

602
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.880
And a friend of mine, who's
actually a colleague up at Oregon Caves

603
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.920
who's now retired, he wrote a
book and it's called American Elves, and

604
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.840
it's an encyclopedia of the little people, um from the lore of three hundred

605
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:47.119
and eighty ethnic groups throughout the Western
Hemisphere and UM. And half of the

606
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.800
book is bibliography and so and so, and what this deals with are these

607
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:58.039
are these immortals. And um,
my friend John, when I had him,

608
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.119
signed the book because I and I
said, well, can you tell

609
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.119
me a good little personal story,
he says, I got one. And

610
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.800
this happened about three years ago.
It was up at Mountaineer National Park September.

611
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:13.280
The snow had just fallen, so
there was like a dusting of snow

612
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.000
down at the Paradise Lodge and in
the area there. And there was a

613
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.440
maintenance worker, a friend of John's
and who was the author of that book.

614
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.599
And this maintenance worker was out at
a little shed where they had a

615
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.159
generator and he was doing some work
on it, and he heard like light

616
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.360
little footfalls. Hell yeah, and
he looked out. He just kind of

617
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.519
peeked over the door of the shed
and he sees this thing and it was

618
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.639
like it was like almost approaching him. And then it went ah, you

619
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.480
know, and it stood about two
and a half feet tall, half deer,

620
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:50.079
half human. You know, I'm
like a like an infant baby almost,

621
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.199
and it had been shocked and it
just turned and ran like crazy into

622
00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:00.239
like this side ravine that disappears.
That's it. And that was one of

623
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.599
the little people. And these things
are the way you split out the little

624
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.000
people. The way I do it
anyways, is that is that you've got

625
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.719
you've got people afflicted with dwarfism,
you know, that's basically a medical ailment

626
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.840
is recognized. They're in the fossil
record, you know, we know,

627
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.039
we know well of them. And
then you've got little people, you know,

628
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.360
such as pigmies, and they come
in many different sizes and shapes that

629
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.880
might be sort of along the line
of like the Pendak orange and also some

630
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:37.239
of these some of these Indonesian Um
I think it's Homo florence ci um,

631
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:42.840
you know, is another example.
They're in the fossil record Pendak, isn't

632
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.679
you know. We'd love to see
one of those guys and um. And

633
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.480
so so you know, we can
track these out because of that. And

634
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.400
I think John had mentioned that there
was a cave in Wyoming where they found

635
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.519
about six skeletal remains of little people
and um. You know, these are

636
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.920
like three foot tall. The things
we're referring to here are the spiritual things,

637
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.480
and these are the heavy hitters.
They live for two to three thousand

638
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.960
years. We really don't know.
There's examples of them. I mean all

639
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.199
throughout the world. The men of
Huni of Hawaii come to mind. There's

640
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:22.719
different names that the tribes call them. Sometimes they have different interpretations. They'll

641
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.039
have lizard legs, they'll have you
know, they're half deer there. You

642
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.360
know, some might even call them
skin walkers. One of my friends ran

643
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.400
into one of them in the Navajo
lands where it was like this, half

644
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.920
dear, half human and um,
and yeah, what these are are their

645
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.119
gods? I mean, these are
the immortals. And you know when I

646
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:47.480
think that the little people and the
sasquads, the giants are almost inextricably tied

647
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.519
together, you know, and and
you know, it's just something that the

648
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.679
only reason why I bring that up
is because within the tribal war, it

649
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.199
would be like us talking about Jesus, but we never mentioned God. And

650
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.800
so you know, to think of
it in those terms, and you also

651
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.000
have to think in terms of two
that you know, these tribes had their

652
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.800
gods and heroes. You know that
that I'm similar to our Greek mythology.

653
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.960
Just you know, imagine on the
northwest coast of British Columbia or you know,

654
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.199
the Rocky Mountains or you know,
and so to your listeners, you

655
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:27.559
know, I just invite them to
to you know, research further and find

656
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:32.360
whatever tribal lore might be happening around
wherever they might have their encounter and what

657
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.800
they can learn from that end of
it. Um, you know, they

658
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:42.840
could help perhaps fill the gaps of
what of what what they experienced. So

659
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:49.960
what do you And again you said, there's a there's a there's a connection

660
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.719
between the little people, the immortals
and the sasquash. And what do you

661
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:58.559
think the connection is? Do you
think they're equal unequal? Do you think

662
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:02.880
they work? Intend like would give
me a little more specific. I think

663
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.639
that they work. They worked together, you know, Um, they're separate,

664
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.519
but together, Um they they they
basically like like in the lore of

665
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.719
the native tribe that I'm familiar with, what it was was that the immortals

666
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.599
were relegated to these mid elevation ridgelines, and there's land babies and there's water

667
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.159
babies. What I ran into was
a water baby. It was a salamander.

668
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.360
And um, and so you know, their their exact connection I'm not

669
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:37.280
sure of. But from the shamans
and from the doctors, they basically,

670
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:43.599
uh, this is how they arguably
learned when they first arrived there fourteen thousand

671
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.559
and ten thousand, you know,
twenty thousand years ago, whatever it was,

672
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:52.280
that that that this was who they
learned from to be able to survive

673
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:58.119
on the landscape. And as a
result, and even celebration of they would

674
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:04.679
have ceremonies, um some call them
world renewal ceremonies where they basically they renew

675
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.320
the world. They purge, cleans
and renew the world through the ceremony.

676
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:13.440
And if the ceremony is done right
and they follow all the procedures exactly to

677
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.880
a t um um, that the
area will be blessed by by the little

678
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:23.599
people. Um. Yeah, do
you or did you or do you know

679
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:29.239
if lights any type of you know, we hear about these balls of light?

680
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:34.440
Did did you ever experience any of
that? Or did did did the

681
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.840
tribal elders speak of lights or talk
about lights? Because it seems like that

682
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:45.199
seems that appears to be something that
is occurring occasionally and it sticks out obviously.

683
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.760
And you know, the way I
feel about that is is that is

684
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:55.000
that these things are almost as variable
as as humanity, you know, is

685
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.800
also and that for people to have
those sorts of experiences with lights and so

686
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.559
forth. I did not have that, and so I can't. I can't

687
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.400
speak to it, you know,
one way or the other. I you

688
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.559
know, I mean, anything's possible. Um. You know, we're still

689
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:19.079
in this nascent stage of you know, figuring out something something that to them

690
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.719
might be very simple as far as
like dimensional theory. You know, what

691
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.360
does it mean for their ability to
cloak? You know, is there a

692
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:30.199
difference? Are they the same?
Um? The one thing I can tell

693
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.880
you is that, you know,
scientifically, I feel like I feel like,

694
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.519
just like with doctor Meldrum, that
you know, we would have more

695
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.599
evidence of these things, you know, either in the fossil record or some

696
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:45.000
kind of skeletal remains. And there
have been some skeletal remains that have been

697
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:51.920
found, just not in the actual
forested areas of the Pacific Northwest. UM.

698
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:53.800
You know, and this this kind
of with that, with that video

699
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.719
that I sent on the Pendac.
You know, when you think about an

700
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.760
area like that, an animal four
feet tall, you know, like this,

701
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.960
you know, hiding in a double
the triple canopy jungle, tropical jungle,

702
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.599
um, you know, and the
rate of decay of those bones and

703
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.400
so forth like that. Um,
Okay, now I could understand where,

704
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.199
yeah, we could have something physical
on the ground and in that in that

705
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.920
circumstance, but when you look at
it from the Pacific northwest, an eight

706
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.159
to ten foot you know, you
know, biped running around. You know,

707
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.599
we should have more evidence. And
so this is what lends me to

708
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:36.760
point to the scientific or you know, looking at this whole thing with dimensional

709
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.440
theory. Um, you know,
and just I mean I think it was

710
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:44.480
like two months ago. It was
back in July. I believe that.

711
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.920
Um that two news stories that come
in on the same day. One was

712
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.000
that they had discovered through the Hadron
collider a new particle or some new particles.

713
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:58.480
And this steps us closer. I
mean you'd have to be an astrophysicist

714
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.559
to explain the meaning of this,
but you know it steps us closer to

715
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.519
what these particles could mean and what
a dimension is and you know how how

716
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.840
that can move around. And then
on that same day with the James Webb

717
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:19.079
telescope and announcing you know this this
like look through a lens where we can

718
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.519
actually see these massively distant galaxies and
all we have to do is find the

719
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:29.039
livable planets within a star system,
Bingo. You know, we got our

720
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.519
we got our habitable planet, and
um, you know, and so I

721
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:36.599
think it's you know, and it's
kind of like it's kind of like we're

722
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:42.079
still at baby steps in these steps
it would take for us to really have

723
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.920
these discoveries, and so we're just
not there yet. You know, you

724
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:52.440
obviously have a very curious mind because
you took a very real experience. You

725
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.119
did a lot of research, and
you came up with a lot of theories.

726
00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:02.679
And I think it's I think you're
also in Bigfoot Central. You're you're

727
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:08.400
you're in a place where the experiences
of bigfoot are not abnormal, and you

728
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:15.199
just did a tremendous amount of research
about your entire experience, from the from

729
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:20.199
from the camping part, finding the
trail, the salamander, the actual Bigfoot

730
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:25.000
experience. I think that's um what
most people don't do. You're you don't

731
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.840
come off as an amateur. Um. You know, most of the people

732
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.039
that look for bigfoot are unfortunately,
whether you want to say that's a good

733
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.480
thing or a bad thing, but
they're mostly amateurs. They don't have the

734
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:42.360
force, the force of people to
behind them, to to eventually find this

735
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:47.159
this this uh person beast creature.
It's I don't think it's I don't think

736
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:52.480
it's gonna happen without the assistance of
a huge force of people that aren't amateurs.

737
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.559
But that's just my opinion. Other
people will say whatever, But you

738
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.679
know, it's it's it's right,
it's true, you know, and look

739
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.760
at look at hunters, you know. I mean the thing about a hunter

740
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:06.760
is that, you know, it's
similar to a forager. I mean,

741
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.840
I think it was in the book
Tribal Bigfoot by Polities, you know,

742
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.719
he wrote about, um, um, you know this thing where it's like

743
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.079
if you talk to the natives that
are hanging around the bars and you know,

744
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.599
like this in town, and they're
like, these things don't exist.

745
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:28.480
People are nuts, get out of
here, you know. Um. But

746
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.960
yet you go talk to the berry
pickers, go talk to the go talk

747
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.159
to the ones that are picking mushrooms, you know, that are out there

748
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.639
in the woods, are like,
oh yeah, definitely, no doubt about

749
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.800
it. You know, there's there's
no well maybes and sometimes no you know,

750
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.199
and that's and that's also you know, power to the elders too,

751
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.079
and even the shamans They're very tight
lipped about this stuff. They don't want

752
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.920
you to know because if nothing else, it steals their thunder. And so

753
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.559
you know, you know, I'm
gonna hold up a book. I know

754
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.280
we can't show this on the podcast, but this is the Historical Bigfoot.

755
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:06.079
It's a thousand pages. And do
you have that as well? No,

756
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.840
but I want to write that now. Yeah, The Historical Bigfoot not a

757
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.400
hard title to to to, um
to mess up. I think it was

758
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:20.119
about thirty five dollars on Amazon,
and it's it's all about it's basically articles

759
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.199
that were printed hundreds of years ago, one hundred years ago, eighty years

760
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.800
ago, forty years ago, all
all instances, all news clippings that were

761
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.519
that were in publications all across the
United States going back dating back. When

762
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.239
did that come out? Oh gosh, I think this might even be the

763
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.880
second edition. I think they're not
even sure. I think this is maybe

764
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:51.320
a year. Let's see here,
oh two thousand, nineteen o nineteen yeah,

765
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.320
yeah, yeah, and that's you
know, I mean, and I

766
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.639
think that like, um, I
think Ron Moorehead was one, you know

767
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:01.400
with his Sierra sounds. Um.
Also the other one was the guy um

768
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:07.840
Tom Powell with the edges of science. You know, we're getting close.

769
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:12.239
I mean I think that these I
think in some respects they're right on.

770
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.719
You know, um when you look
at it from that side, you know,

771
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.000
from that view. But but with
the hunters, back to those guys,

772
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.079
the thing with hunters is that you've
got to know the nature in the

773
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.760
essence of the track, you know, and especially bow hunters, where you

774
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:29.719
know, they're down on the ground
with their nose right right in the mud,

775
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.679
and you know, and for days
sometimes you know, tracking elk and

776
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:37.719
stuff. Those would be the guys
that are going to run into these things,

777
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.400
um, you know, similar to
that fellow up there in British Columbia

778
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:45.079
that's that's running all over Hell's half
Acre. You know, I'm and now

779
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:46.639
you know, now that would make
sense. Oh yeah, I've seen them

780
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.519
before. You know, I didn't
think anything of it. I had to

781
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.920
keep going, Man, I got
my you know, I'm on my I'm

782
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.400
on my marathon run. I'm not
going to stop and spend time with this

783
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.960
ugly thing. You know. He
seems he seems obviously he's a bit of

784
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.760
centric living out there alone. And
I did notice that he likes his beer.

785
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.679
See that's something. There's a there's
a book I have here. I

786
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.480
don't know if I haven't pulled up
right now, but um, but it's

787
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:16.280
one. It's um my bookcase is
behind me. That's one of like five.

788
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.719
Um. You know. The um
and this guy was was lived out

789
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.840
on the land and what it was
was that um and this was in the

790
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:29.320
nineteen twenties and thirties. I think
he went out there first in nineteen twenty

791
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.920
eight. And this was along the
Cellway Bitter Roots all right in the nineteen

792
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.920
twenties and nineteen thirties. I mean, this guy had a hell of a

793
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.079
playground, um, you know.
And basically what it was, the rangers

794
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.840
would go to their ranger cabins or
their fire lookouts and the axes missing,

795
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.159
where's the sleeping bag? You know? Why? Why is there no cans

796
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:51.440
of beans here? You know?
Like this over years and it took them

797
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.400
like twelve years, and they hired
these two trackers from from Idaho to go

798
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.599
after this guy, and it took
them another two years to finally catch him.

799
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:05.159
And um and when they finally caught
him, they had more in common

800
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.239
with him than they did with the
rangers. That hired him to go get

801
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:12.159
them and um, and so it's
it's a really fun story. I think

802
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.400
it's called I think it's called the
ridge runner and um and that was an

803
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.039
old Southern term for these for these
appellation boys, you know, running the

804
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.000
ridges and and you know, and
the power in that, you know,

805
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:28.079
And that was kind of you know, with the fellow there in bc same

806
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:30.840
same saying you know, um,
you know, And it's just it's the

807
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.199
spirit of it, you know,
I guess. And so so this is

808
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:37.079
where, you know, I've tried
to just have a lot of fun with

809
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:42.000
the big Foot. I don't get
you know, too overly serious, but

810
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.480
I think that there's a lot to
learn here, and especially for people that

811
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.519
have been on the ground for thousands
of years, and you know, how

812
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.800
they handle this thing and what did
they do and you know, um,

813
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:57.760
you know, And I think I
think David here in his book, he

814
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.440
he didn't even scratch the surface of
the tribes. No, you know,

815
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:04.880
because the Shamans or whoever, the
you know, the doctors there when I

816
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.639
said get out of here, I'm
going to talk to you. Um.

817
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.000
Yeah, and so and so he
never could he never could crack that nut.

818
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.400
You know, Yeah, you can
spend a lot of money on books,

819
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:19.400
but yeah, the true research is
out out in the field. UM,

820
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.360
I have found that. UM,
I'm sure you know who this is.

821
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:29.000
Steve Isdall does the how to Hunt
I think it's how to Hunt dot

822
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.760
com. He has a YouTube channel. Oh, he gets a flood of

823
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:42.239
Bigfoot stories, um, testimonials,
and it's it's fascinating to watch him tell

824
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:46.920
the stories of what people have claimed
they've seen and experienced. And he's,

825
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:52.199
um, he's I guess, I
guess in a way maybe you know,

826
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.119
somewhat similar to me, and that
you just got to keep an open mind.

827
01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:00.440
You gotta wonder is it real,
is it paranormal? Is it mystical,

828
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.679
is it's spiritual? What you know? What exactly is it? And

829
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:07.760
then, as I mentioned earlier about
TV and entertainment, we saw if you

830
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:13.000
watched it Expedition Bigfoot's season one,
where they show towards the end of the

831
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:17.719
season the bigfoot walk into a portal. Now, and that's open to interpretation.

832
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.679
Some people might say that the equipment
they used was, you know,

833
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:28.719
maybe not not a par Maybe it
was just maybe it wasn't a big foot.

834
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.480
You know, they tried to identify
the shape. Again, it was

835
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:36.039
all about a shape. It wasn't
about an actual, real, great perfect

836
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.440
image. But but it leaves you. It leaves you wondering if it's real

837
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:45.440
in our in our term of what
real means like you and I, or

838
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:51.639
is it something more? And your
book, even though you have taken creative

839
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:57.079
license, makes it makes a case
for it. And I think that's great

840
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:02.239
because we really don't know the government's
coming out about UFOs or trickling out little

841
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:09.519
bits of information about UFOs. But
yet they're still classifying documentation about UFOs.

842
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:14.519
So as they're unclassifying some they're classifying
others. And I just read the other

843
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:23.800
day they're classifying the underwater UFO encounters
experiences they've had. So there's something out

844
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:29.440
there that there's people out there that
know what's going on about certain things that

845
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.519
they're divulging. But then they're also
keeping certain things secret. I wonder if

846
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.880
Bigfoot is one of those things.
Well, yeah, when you think about

847
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.480
it, I mean I remember the
other vast Tyson describing the universe as imagine

848
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.280
Earth as a grain of sand surrounded
by something like the size of a golf

849
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:54.440
ball, our galaxy, and like
your biggest football stadium times five, you

850
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.960
know, and that's what we're that's
what we're contending with as far as you

851
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.920
know, the vastness of this and
you know, and that's that's one thing

852
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:06.599
that's really fun with this James Webb
telescope and the things they're going to discover

853
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.119
here that you know, um.
And then also you know, what do

854
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.480
you look for to find a habitable
planet? Um? You know, you

855
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.920
know the right amount of oxygen,
hydrogen, carbon, you know, all

856
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:23.239
of these these basic core elements you
have to have. Um. And then

857
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.440
and then also as far as finding
intelligent life or what happens if we find

858
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:31.639
the habitable planet and we get the
gist because we're looking you know, from

859
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:36.199
from a trillion miles away that there
was that there was intelligent life on it,

860
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:41.000
but it's no longer there. And
the scary thing with that is is

861
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:44.960
that is that where we're headed,
you know, where it's like, yeah,

862
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.119
you know, like in three hundred
years, it's a habitable planet,

863
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.559
but the only thing missing or humans
and for that matter, many many other

864
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:57.159
life forms. What did what did
it look like to you? Did it

865
01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:00.880
look like a hairy, upright walking
ape or did could you distinguish more like

866
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.159
what what could what kind of details
could you give us? It looked like

867
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:11.480
it looked like um, it didn't
look anything like the um the Astralopithecus are

868
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.719
um um um, the blackie eye. UM. You know. So it

869
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.639
wasn't like our range. It wasn't
like it wasn't like a mountain gorilla,

870
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:21.920
you know. So it didn't have
the long arms, I mean, had

871
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:30.760
it had longer. It looked to
me like a big human harry with with

872
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.480
I mean as best as I could
make out the elongated head. UM.

873
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:38.199
So I think some of the pictures
we see even like even like behind me

874
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:44.039
here, just like him, but
but but but thinner, you know,

875
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:46.280
um, and more muscular, I
mean, you know, just just extremely

876
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:50.039
you know. There wasn't an ounce
of fat on this guy. And you

877
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:54.440
know, and it was probably a
male UM, but I'm guessing I don't

878
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:57.920
know, you know, do they
even have sexes. Let's assume they do.

879
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.159
UM. You know, but it
looked just like him, you know,

880
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:08.360
UM, and but but very graceful. UM. Could could move just

881
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:13.000
I mean almost like dancing. UM. You know that this thing just its

882
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:17.519
ability to move, it was very
very smooth in its movements. Um yeah,

883
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.559
and so you know, I that's
all I could think of, and

884
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:28.000
it absolutely froze me in fear because
of the fact that, um, you

885
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:31.119
know, I wasn't sure you know
what I was running into. And now

886
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.719
I'm looking back on it. I
mean, like there was a sue Indian

887
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:38.960
I think it was one of the
doctors or shaman's He said, you know,

888
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:43.360
just to have the ability to go
up and touch it with your finger

889
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:48.840
like this, um to to to
have it allow you to do that would

890
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:54.280
basically bring about special powers. Um. You know that you would now have

891
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.920
with nature, just being able to
go up to deer, deer would approach

892
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.440
you. And you know, I'm
in some people that they have that,

893
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.519
you know. So this um you
know, you know another crazy thing.

894
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:09.719
I remember they're being one of the
native stories where it's like it's like sometimes

895
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.079
these apprentices would think in their heads
that if they could run up to this

896
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.840
thing and tackle it, you know, and wrestle with it and pin it

897
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.720
down, that they could um and
let's say they win the fight. You

898
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:24.840
know, they might not win all
the time, um, but if they

899
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.840
could win that fight, that struggle
that they would be that they would be

900
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:32.960
rewarded with great wealth, and great
wealth to them could be like two big

901
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.600
baskets filled with dentalia shells, you
know, you know, things like this,

902
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:44.000
that that the tribe and the neighboring
tribes would recognize great wealth. And

903
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.479
so you know it's um. So
you got to think wealth in their terms,

904
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.760
you know, And that's and that's
kind of what um. You know,

905
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:55.239
that's that's what I find so fascinating. Um. You know. The

906
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.479
the other thing too is language.
You know that if you could speak that

907
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.720
native language you know, and be
able to talk to this thing, sing

908
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:08.960
a song, you know, because
telepathically it will connect with you. I

909
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.119
mean from what from what they say, you know, they they just say

910
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.960
it is there's no need for words, and so you know, yeah,

911
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:21.359
there's there's a lot we have to
learn. Remember I think it was on

912
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:29.159
NPR, I believe Jeff Meldrum.
Doctor Meldrum was on for an interview and

913
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:33.880
this was years ago, probably ten
plus years ago, said that a person

914
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:38.640
had told him a story about how
he was somewhere out in your neck of

915
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.800
the woods on the Pacific Northwest,
climbed up on a rock, pulled out

916
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:45.640
his guitar and played a guitar and
a big foot walked out as he was

917
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.680
playing the guitar, right, and
he yeah, they met eyes. They

918
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:56.359
you know, they they it listened
and then it slowly turned around and walked

919
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:01.319
away as he continued to play.
And I always think about a story that

920
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.520
I shared a while ago about a
guy who had a terrible flood on his

921
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:11.720
land and a big foot had come
onto his property left, you know,

922
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.840
basically footprints. Was was a bit
thin, a bit gaunt, and had

923
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.159
taken some of his food. And
the guy was like, well, you

924
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.399
know, it was starving. I
mean, my crops are are crops?

925
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:27.359
Well, I guess some of his
maybe some of his land was destroyed from

926
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.359
the flood, but it had helped
himself to some dog food and some other

927
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.960
things it could it could acquire,
and and he's just let it do it.

928
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:35.439
He was like, you know,
it needs to eat, and it

929
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:41.479
simply ate and passed on through.
And you just you just have to say,

930
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:45.840
I mean, are they menacing?
Would say eight feet tall and however

931
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.039
many hundreds of pounds, Sure looks
menacing. But if they if they leave

932
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:53.439
you alone, I mean, I'm
sure we're all very grateful to have them

933
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:58.520
leave us alone. Yeah. Do
you have this book Basquatched The Apes among

934
01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:03.760
Us John Green? This is a
great book because there's tons of eyewitness accounts

935
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:08.239
in there as well. Well yeah, and you know another thing too,

936
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:14.560
I should mention this that going off
of the dimensional theory and pretending as though

937
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:18.239
these things come here from another place
and so forth like that. Um,

938
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:23.720
you know, the quick question there
is that is it how long are they

939
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.079
here? For? Two days,
two months, two years? You know,

940
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.760
is there a period of time doesn't
have to happen like on certain moons,

941
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.720
you know, and things like this
and so and so. To me,

942
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:40.520
that just it fits the narrative of
why we're not finding physical evidence and

943
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:45.479
yet we're finding footprints and we're having
the sightings and and so and so.

944
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.880
You know, it's like puzzle pieces
and you know, when they begin to

945
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.279
come together, you can go okay, yeah, all right, yeah,

946
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:56.039
now that makes sense. And also
why are they in Oklahoma? Why are

947
01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:00.800
they in Vermont? Why are they
in well, you know, somewhere back

948
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.880
in the history. There wouldn't surprise
me if there was a tribal elder or

949
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.760
a shaman that had a relationship with
these things that you know, every year

950
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.840
he would go up and seek knowledge, and you know, when he had

951
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.680
a certain approach, certain song,
certain things he did to be able to

952
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:18.359
open the conversation. And you know, and that's in part what gave him

953
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.560
strength to the tribe to be able
to say, no, make sure to

954
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.960
harvest the acorns early, because they're
going to get a blight on him and

955
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.239
you're going to lose forty percent of
your crop. You know, things like

956
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.560
this that you know that the normal
person you couldn't relate to. Um.

957
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:38.000
There's one other fun story and I
saw this, I think it was in

958
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.760
a national geographic, but it was
up at the Squamish Nation and this is

959
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.000
up like north of Vancouver, British
Columbia. It occupies a big area there

960
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:50.119
of that inland passage and you know, like this well and anyway, they

961
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:55.199
had a it was a doctor up
there or a you know, a shaman

962
01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:00.560
that would pick out pick out tribal
members, you know, young may that

963
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.960
were candidates to become an apprentice for
them to be the future doctor, you

964
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:09.880
know, or the future shaman.
And what they would do is that you

965
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:13.199
know, it was it would take
several years of training and so forth like

966
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.079
that but then he'd pick out a
couple of them, you know, three

967
01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:17.800
or four of them, and say, okay, you're chosen. You're going

968
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:23.279
to have a special task. And
that task is they all have the knowledge

969
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.960
of being able to survive on the
landscape, and you know, you basically

970
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.399
do this from nothing. Well,
he would release them into the wild and

971
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:36.239
sometimes for like upwards a ten years
or longer, and they would go out

972
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:40.159
there and live off the land and
they would have to start I mean,

973
01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:43.640
they'd have to make their own tools, they'd have to do everything from scratch

974
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:47.039
basically. And you know, for
the ones that survived, every couple of

975
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:53.760
years, he would go out there
and connect with them and learn the secrets

976
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.239
of the forest, you know.
And these are things that the only way

977
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.319
you learn this stuff is by living
out there on the ground for years.

978
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.560
And you know, um yeah,
I mean, you know, my friend

979
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:09.680
who lives not far not far from
where I had my encounter just the other

980
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:14.119
day, Like along as fence line, they found like a fawn deer,

981
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.000
all ripped to shreds and I think
it was a day before they saw a

982
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.520
cougar, you know. Um,
And you know, and also he'd have

983
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:25.000
bear encounters out there like, you
know, he's laying in the sun or

984
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:29.319
you know, doing something. He's
all sweaty, and you'd fall asleep and

985
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.960
wake up with a bear licking his
face, you know, for the salt,

986
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.319
my god, you know, And
that's but I mean, it shows

987
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:41.479
the closeness to the land and being
able to kind of get in that rhythm

988
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.079
of what the animals are doing.
So it's really interesting. And yet there

989
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:54.239
are stories, legends, lore of
the big Foot population being hostile towards Native

990
01:14:54.239 --> 01:15:00.520
Americans potentially tribes, you know,
Bigfoot tribes that were you know, stealing

991
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:04.399
from them, killing their their warriors, you know, taking their women,

992
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:09.920
children, eating anything they could get
their hands on. So yeah, it's

993
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.000
it's it's it's an upside upside down
thing. I guess in some way they

994
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:16.960
are spiritual advisors. In other ways
they're they're hostile enemies. But yeah,

995
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.880
I guess that's just the way it
is. I guess there's just so many

996
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:25.239
stories, and you know, the
internet's a big place. Yeah, yeah,

997
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.600
and some of that that can be
geography. I mean, I think

998
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.199
the stories they're up in the Nahani
Valley or someplace, you know, very

999
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:35.079
northern British Columbia on up into the
Northwest territories, and you know, I

1000
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:40.039
mean it's it's a harsh place to
live to begin with. And you know,

1001
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:44.079
so and so how can you be
this nine foot this nine foot biped

1002
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.359
you know, and what are you
eating? You know? M I mean

1003
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:50.560
that's kind of what wiped out our
megapredators, you know, the saber tooth

1004
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.880
cat, the short faced bears,
you know, all these creatures like this

1005
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:59.359
because their food supply ran out.
Yeah. So so when you think of

1006
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:00.600
it, and that's why I also
like the pendac. You know, for

1007
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.000
something that's three feet tall, that's
probably where it's like they might have been

1008
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:09.119
at one time six feet or eight
feet tall, but the environment would not

1009
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:14.840
support that life system. And so
it's like they co evolved into something smaller

1010
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:20.640
and to be able to survive.
Yeah. Yeah, well, well before

1011
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:25.319
we go, I want to,
I really do want to. I know

1012
01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:29.279
we've we've we've traded a female emails
back and forth. And I love your

1013
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.560
sense of humor because you have to
have a sense of humor when it comes

1014
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:36.439
to Bigfoot. You have to theorize
and think and and and if you're on

1015
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:42.279
Facebook or Instagram or any social media, you see the same stuff get recycled

1016
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:46.159
over and over again. And I
just love to get your impression of what

1017
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:50.720
you think is the best piece of
information, whether it's a photo of video,

1018
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:57.319
a story that really tells you that
Bigfoot is real. Don't say,

1019
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:02.279
Patty, we got to get pass
that that one minute video O. Right?

1020
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:05.239
Yeah, And I think I think
that that's I mean, that's why

1021
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:09.279
I like when you look at these
pictures that people post on all the Facebook

1022
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:12.960
pages and so forth, like that, I mean, you know, yet

1023
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.239
best there might be one percent of
them that okay, now there's the real

1024
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:19.439
deal. But you know, it's
it's similar to like looking for pictures of

1025
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:24.039
Western outlaws. Um, you know, it's like trying to find pictures of

1026
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.079
people that didn't want their picture taken, you know, and you know,

1027
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:31.199
and that's and that's a difficult that's
a difficult task just on its face.

1028
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:36.000
And so it's similar to I think
the Sasquatch, where you know they you

1029
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:41.239
know. And and also you know, another cool story here is the dark

1030
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:44.520
Watchers. And the dark Watchers these
are like the little people a big sur

1031
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.239
and how they're very attuned. I'll
send you a little article about them.

1032
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:54.920
Um. But but how they're attuned
to like inside of a camera, a

1033
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:58.960
knife, a gun. They could
smell that oil and they can smell it

1034
01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:01.359
from you know, one hundred yards
two hundred yards away, and so you'll

1035
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:04.720
never see them. And um,
but if you don't have any of that

1036
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:09.039
stuff and you're going there with a
true heart, so to speak. And

1037
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:12.760
that was with I think her name
was Olive, and this was John Steinbeck's

1038
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.920
mother, John Steinbeck, of the
riding up there in the Central Valley,

1039
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.079
um, you know, and because
she was a school teacher, she was

1040
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:25.119
going out to these remote ranches out
there behind Big Sir in the Olane and

1041
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:30.319
Esslon tribal areas and um. And
sometimes you'd go over a pass and she

1042
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.319
would leave them, you know,
you know, gift of sorts, some

1043
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:38.119
flowers or something. And then when
she come back, there was like a

1044
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:42.079
beautiful array of eggcorns and some moss
and you know, stuff like this.

1045
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.239
And that was from the dark Watchers
and um, you know. And another

1046
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:48.680
interesting thing with them too was that
that dated back all the way to the

1047
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:54.840
Spanish California, where they used to
call them Louis vigilante so scuros, which

1048
01:18:54.920 --> 01:19:00.159
literally meant the dark Watchers. And
there's a book it's called In Search of

1049
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:03.279
the Dark Watchers. Um, it's
got I mean, it's like a forty

1050
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:08.000
page book with about eight pages of
just pure gold, you know, you

1051
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.880
know about the little people there,
and it's just it's another iteration of this,

1052
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:15.039
you know, and that's you know, the dark Watchers are actually these

1053
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.520
twelve foot tall you know, huge
giant looking things. Well actually they're little

1054
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:24.760
guys. And the way the fog
and the light hits them, they look

1055
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:29.520
like these big tall things, you
know, so pretty fun. Yeah,

1056
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.319
there was an article in the San
Francisco Gate about this, and by Thomas

1057
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:40.159
Steinbeck, who was the son of
John Steinbeck I recently passed, I think,

1058
01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:43.039
and so um, but yeah,
I want to thank you. I

1059
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.319
thank your listenership. I hope,
I hope this was this was something of

1060
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:51.119
nothing else informative than joyful. Please
buy my book. And you know,

1061
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:56.039
because I I basically describe a lot
of this in the book. I tie

1062
01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:59.279
in a lot with nature, um, you know, and then from there

1063
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:01.640
I get into the whole thing with
plot and storyline and you know, the

1064
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:06.000
antagonist and the protagonist and you know, one thing that's fun with the antagonist.

1065
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:11.319
I should mention this is that is
it really legitimately Okay, you got

1066
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.239
these guys that want to hunt bigfoot
and so forth like that, But if

1067
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.760
they're doing it with the intent for
science and so that that way we can

1068
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:21.520
then preserve areas or whatever like that, then you know, that's almost a

1069
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:26.600
meritable cause you know, for a
lot they would say, no, that's

1070
01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.319
bad, you're not supposed to shoot
one, you know. Yeah, I

1071
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:31.840
don't know. I'll leave that between
them and god, you know they go

1072
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.560
shooting these things, um, you
know, but but it is something that

1073
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:39.840
you know, you could make a
strong antagonist from this, you know,

1074
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.960
and so and so, Yeah,
there's there's merit there. Well, you

1075
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:46.199
did, you did share some stories
that there could be very believable. So

1076
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:50.680
I'll let you off the hook on
the what's the best video photo because some

1077
01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:55.079
of those stories are you know,
not including of course yours, but the

1078
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:59.279
one I think the story that I
like is about the Sixes mine and about

1079
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:02.840
the miners and how this was back
in the eighteen hundreds and they were literally

1080
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:09.159
scared off their property. I believe
there was a murder or someone was killed.

1081
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.600
Um there, there's there it's in
the actual book, the Historical Bigfoot.

1082
01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:17.880
It's in that big old thousand page
somewhere after eight hundred pages. Right,

1083
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:23.439
was that the one in in in
southern Washington and the Cascades where there

1084
01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:27.279
was like six big foot that attacked
a cabin with miners. No, that's

1085
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.319
different. That's um, that's the
one with Fred Beck with eight Kenyon.

1086
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.840
That's that's different. Uh. This
this is a this is a slightly different

1087
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.840
story as well. Actually, I
did a podcast on the six is Mine.

1088
01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:42.840
Go back and look forward on the
podcast and I share. Uh,

1089
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:46.039
there's actually several parts to the to
the to the Big six is Mine,

1090
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:51.119
um big Foot encounter incident, and
it's it's on the podcast. Feel free

1091
01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:56.920
to whoever whoever wants to check it
out. Check it out. It's there's

1092
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.600
so many pieces and parts. I
think I actually just touched the tip of

1093
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.760
it. It was. There's so
much going on with with with so many

1094
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:10.439
stories about about Bigfoot in Oregon.
Where did did that happen on the Sixes

1095
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:15.079
River? Yes, yes, okay, yes, I'm familiar with that story.

1096
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:18.880
There's a book I have on Curry
County Historical of the Nets and they

1097
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:23.439
and they go over by Walt Schroder. Um, Yeah, I mean,

1098
01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.399
you know, there's yeah, and
I'll send you this one from Tom Powell

1099
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.640
where he gets into the Quicksilver Curtain
and you know what these things, you

1100
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:33.000
know, And there was one encounter
this guy had where it's like he's backpacking.

1101
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:36.119
There's this wavy stuff in the middle
of the trail, just in the

1102
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:40.399
air, and he walks into this
going, oh my god. He barely

1103
01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:44.199
got out of it, you know, And was that was that a portal?

1104
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:46.079
You know? Um, you know, we love them where there are

1105
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.640
these glistening things that beautiful fairies leap
through and all this, but you know,

1106
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:55.199
I think it's a lot more ugly
than that, you know, or

1107
01:22:55.239 --> 01:23:02.920
imperfect right right. I think David
Polites was actually exploring a potential portal with

1108
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:09.039
all people Bobo they were, they
were they'd come together somewhere in the Midwest

1109
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:13.119
and we're exploring the possibility of a
portal. And I don't know really where

1110
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:15.359
it went. I think there was
a little YouTube video of an interview with

1111
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:19.960
the two of them, and Polites
is amazing. He's he's all over the

1112
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.039
place. He's just got so much
going on. Well, he found his

1113
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:27.399
gold mine in the whole thing with
the missing four one one, you know,

1114
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:30.199
and so missing humans, you know, and I mean missing humans and

1115
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:33.119
the Grand Canyon. Please. You
know, it's like, hey, look,

1116
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.760
everybody, there's Uncle Harry jumping.
Hey, what happened to Uncle Harry?

1117
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.800
I don't know, it's lunch time, let's go, you know.

1118
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.920
Yeah, that's because he's four hundred
feet down on a bunch of boulders.

1119
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:46.640
Yeah. When you get a lot
of humans and lots of cliffs, bad.

1120
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:50.760
Yeah. Sometimes humans and nature just
don't work together. They say,

1121
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:54.399
there's thousands of people who go missing
every year, and you know, if

1122
01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:58.720
you can throw in the mystery of
Bigfoot in there, you can Bigfoot can

1123
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:01.600
be the culprit for some of them, right, although no one's proved it.

1124
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.720
I'd like to think big Foot's not
picking us off one by one,

1125
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:09.640
but I should say I've never never
seen big Foot in the big city,

1126
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:12.439
So that's good. Well yeah,
right, you know, And you know

1127
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.239
what's funny if somebody was mentioning that
and I said, oh, wait a

1128
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.199
minute, wait a minute. You
know what about the Giants Stadium, you

1129
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:23.760
know, San Francisco downtown. You
know, there's got to be some giants

1130
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:30.119
around there somewhere. So yeah,
it's just it's just so so heavily imbued

1131
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.199
in our own mythology, um,
you know, with giants and small people,

1132
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:39.319
and so it's a it's but it's
fun exploring whether you're in be it

1133
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:43.079
in the library or in the wilderness. And you know, so it just

1134
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:45.880
depends on where you know and and
if you can blend the two. Um.

1135
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:49.399
Yeah, by the way, my
hobby is I collect old Forest Service

1136
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:54.960
maps and try to find the old
pack trails. Oh okay, that sounds

1137
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.520
that sounds very intriguing because that's where
would you find the time commentation, not

1138
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.079
online? I guess well, they
believe it or not, they've scanned a

1139
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:08.439
bunch of them. Now. You
can also go like like like to pretty

1140
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:12.800
much any major university library and they
should at least have some of these,

1141
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:16.079
and especially for the state, like
for instance, the University of Washington Library

1142
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:19.840
Special Collections, they have a lot
of that stuff. Also, your regional

1143
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:26.359
National Archives is going to have you
know, material on this, you know,

1144
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:30.399
along with the main National archives.
Do you remember there's two National archives.

1145
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.439
There's ones with letters and portraits and
stuff like this. Deep's in downtown

1146
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:39.520
DC. And then in College Park, Maryland is a documents Library's we're the

1147
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:43.319
maps and charts and all that.
Greg, let me ask your questions since

1148
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:46.199
I don't know when I'll ever get
to the West coast, but I would

1149
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:54.920
love to know what is how accessible
are these logging roads. I always hear

1150
01:25:55.039 --> 01:26:00.159
stories about people on logging roads and
they're camping out there, they're hiking on

1151
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.199
un their cars are breaking down on
them. I mean, they seem to

1152
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:06.760
be vast. What tell me a
little bit about the logging roads because a

1153
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:12.239
lot of people claim to have encounters
in those areas. Yeah, but you

1154
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.560
know, and the thing there is
is that there's millions of miles of logging

1155
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:19.399
roads on our public lands now.
Um, many of them they don't maintain.

1156
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:24.920
And so you know, now they
might be blocked off and the blockages

1157
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:28.680
may have been opened from atvars and
you know, people like this. Um

1158
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:33.920
sometimes they're they're they're successfully blocked off
the place where I went, where I

1159
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:39.680
packed in. They dig tank traps
like six of them boom boom boom in

1160
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:43.640
a row with boulders and everything to
to really try to keep people out of

1161
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.560
there. Um. And some of
that is for like Portfancia or rot.

1162
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.520
You know, there's different reasons for
that. But that's the one thing about

1163
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:54.000
when you when you can gather like
a historical archive. I did this for

1164
01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:58.279
the Oregon Caves and because I'm on
the board up there with Oregon Caves and

1165
01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:01.640
also Crater Lake, the same place
where the guy had his encounter with a

1166
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.439
with a crypted wrote a couple of
books about it, and you know,

1167
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:10.479
like this, um but um.
But yeah, within that you see the

1168
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:16.600
the the regression of trail systems and
the progression of logging roads. And you

1169
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:19.399
know, but sometimes the trail and
the logging road. You know, in

1170
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:24.199
other reason you get pieces of trail
that are still there. And and then

1171
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:27.880
in other places where it's roadless,
you know, obviously you can follow those

1172
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:30.960
old pack trails or even see the
variances between the pack trail and a new

1173
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.479
trail they may have put in um, you know, and so so yeah,

1174
01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:38.680
you got to watch, you know, you know. With within that,

1175
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:41.640
it's good to get up to date
information, like if you're going to

1176
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:45.520
visit, say the Rogue River National
Forest or someplace like this, that you

1177
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:48.199
want to find out what roads are
open um. You know. And also

1178
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:51.039
sometimes they'll show a trail, like
I can think of one place where there's

1179
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:55.520
a trail on the map, new
map, and the trails just hammered.

1180
01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:59.199
And those are the fun ones to
explore because you know, they might connect

1181
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.439
you to another rail system up on
a ridgeline, you know, and so

1182
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:05.119
it's a um. So it's like
the world's your oyster. And that's what's

1183
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:10.000
fun about the earlier maps too.
Um, even in like the sixties and

1184
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:14.600
seventies, these ranger district maps that
show the trails you know, that are

1185
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:16.880
laid out on the ground and you
know, and they'll take you into places

1186
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:21.439
that you know, first of all, there's nobody around and so and so

1187
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:26.920
you can find yourself in a remote
area pretty quickly. Um. And secondly,

1188
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:31.119
you're you're you know, you're kind
of exploring and so you know,

1189
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:33.800
within that realm um, you know, and that's where you're gonna have more

1190
01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:39.159
a more likely chance of running into
bears and running into animals. Um.

1191
01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:42.840
You know, that's that's pretty fun. UM. But yeah. The thing

1192
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.560
the thing in the Northwest, so
especially like southern Oregon, northern California,

1193
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.760
I mean, number one, all
the fires that have happened, um and

1194
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:53.319
so the amount of road closures in
that trying to find a place, I

1195
01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:57.079
mean, you know, I say
this joking, but it's but it's like

1196
01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.319
imagine coming around the corner and you
know, you go, wow, look

1197
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:06.079
forest, um because everything's burned,
you know, and so and so you

1198
01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:11.199
run into those problems. But um, but but yeah, just I would

1199
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:13.920
just be a little bit cautious as
far as you know that you want to

1200
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:15.800
go to this place, and if
you're reliant on a logging road, you

1201
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:20.079
might check if it's either open and
or maintained. Um, because there's a

1202
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:25.199
lot of roads of Forest Services just
had to let go um due to budget

1203
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:30.079
cuts and you know, like this
everything going to fire funding and so um

1204
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:31.920
yeah. Yeah. Kind of the
running joke I have in that is is

1205
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:35.800
that you know, we've established a
policy in our household that anytime we have

1206
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:42.119
a fire in the kitchen, we
always back burn the living room, there's

1207
01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:47.199
the whole place. So anyway,
sometimes they're having to do that though,

1208
01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:54.079
and I understand, but gotcha forest
service and really um yeah, so so

1209
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:56.479
yeah, stay safe and yeah,
let me know, if you're going up

1210
01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:00.520
to the northwest, there's um yeah, yeah, I get crater leg going

1211
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.560
to Annie Springs. Springs are another
I mean, that's another whole piece of

1212
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:06.359
magic. I put that at the
back of the book on how to find

1213
01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:10.520
a power spot, you know.
And if you can find a spring,

1214
01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:15.199
you know that that's that's your first
step, you know, especially if it

1215
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:17.720
has this weird bubbling stuff called water. You know, it's not a dry

1216
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spring, um, you know.
But um, but but yeah, you

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know, the Annie Springs is some
of the finest water you'll ever drink in

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the Northwest, and it's basically the
source water for Crater leg Oh wow.

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So where where can we find Ridgewalker
in two worlds? Well, it's found

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on Amazon. You can also contact
me at my email Gee Walter twenty seventeen

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and all, you know, if
you send me twenty dollars, I'll also

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include some cards and you know,
a big foot um bookmark, you know,

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even though I remember one bookmark set
on it that bookmarks are for quitters.

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So anyways, but yeah, you
can contact me directly. That's also

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on my website, you know.
And and um, but I'd say use

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my personal email. I mean,
that's that seems to be the one that

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works the best. So give me
your email address. Again and give me

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the website name please, sure it's
um, it's it's www dot the Ridgewalkers

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dot com. And then and then
my personal email is g Walter G W

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A L T E R two O
one seven at gmail dot com. Perfect.

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That's great, and I hope I
imagine you'll get quite a few inquiries.

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I I haven't got a book yet. I will get a book,

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and I will definitely read up on
my Indian lore as well, because I

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think that there is a connection with
Bigfoot and the people who were originally here.

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But right, I mean it's kind
of landscape relationship here you go.

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Yeah, and that's um, and
that applies. I mean like look at

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the leper cons you know, or
anything there with the UK with a little

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people. Well, I mean look
no further than your than your last box

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of lucky charms, you know.
Um, yeah, there's the little people

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you know. Um, But yeah, send me, you know, I'll

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be in touch with you after this
and I'll mail you a book. Cool.

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I look forward to it. We'll
hold on Greg just one second.

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Thanks for coming on, all right, Well, many thanks to Greg for

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coming on and talking about his book, Ridge Walker in Two Worlds. We

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really appreciate it. I really appreciate
it. I hope you will too.

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Check out his book. It's on
Amazon. You can find it there,

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Ridge Walker in Two Worlds, And
I'll play you out with a nice song

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I found on some royalty free music. Have a great night.