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Toronto ruled that it was a good
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the goal. That's the explanation.
I got, what did you see on

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it? When you saw the replay, made the decision to challenge What led

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to that decision. We thought that
Coyle was on top of our goaltender,

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and if Coyle was able to stand
his ground, he could have cleared the

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puck that inhibited our goaltender from being
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by that. Jim Montgomery after his
team's lost to Florida last night, in

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which his team blew a two to
nothing league and they end up losing three

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to two and end up trailing in
the series three to one. They are

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zero in twenty five all time when
trailing in the series three games to one,

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and they go back to Florida.
Welcome back. Second hour of ex'es

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and Bros. We're with you Monday
through Friday from six am till nine am.

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Tigers lose nine to three to the
Astros over the weekend. I wonder,

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is this team dangerously close? Are
you only watching and following them because

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it's baseball season and the Pistons and
Red Wings and Lions. Is just maybe

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too early for the Lions, and
it's too late for the Pistons and Red

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Wings. Right now you're following them
for what reason? Are they entertaining enough

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for you? It's a big question
for some people. Are you just biding

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your time to get to the NFL
season? I think in Michigan, in

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our wonderful state, where so much
is offered, you can go voting,

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people love their golf, they love
to be outside. Since it is a

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relatively short window, if the Tigers
are to captivate you, there's got to

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be at least a couple of players. You've got to be obviously competitive.

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Not saying that people don't go down
to watch the team. They do,

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but I'm talking about emotionally deep investment
here. So my experience in the state

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is that you have to provide fans
with some players who are just I mean,

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you can't miss them. Verlander was
a really good example back in the

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day. Okay, you had to
watch him. Maybe Trek School was there

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for you. That's a possibility.
Outside of that, I don't think there

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is anybody. I don't think people
are saying I've got to watch Cole Keith

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tonight yet I've got to make sure
I'm seeing what Mark Hanna is about to

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do in his at bat. Hold
on a second, honey, I know

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you're waiting for me in the car, but carry carpenters up and I can't

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wait to watch. That's just my
belief. So I think there is something

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there that is missing in that regard. And if you're not going to have

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that, you've got to give me
a team that you think has a chance

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to win every single night. And
I don't think people believe that yet either.

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Not a twenty up and twenty down. Not yet doesn't mean it's too

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late. I just don't think think
that's the case just yet. Phone number

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on the Myer hotline eighty six eight
three eight forty eight forty three. Then

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who do we go waiting for you? Yeah? Sorry, we got Marian

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Green Rapids, Maury. Thanks for
listening on ninety six point ONEFM The Game.

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How are you? I'm great,
Shep. How are you doing this

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morning? Good? Good? Hope
you had a good weekend. It was

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a great weekend. Listen. You
know, maybe you can help me understand

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this. And I don't know if
you touched on it, because I just

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plugged in here I don't understand,
shep, how two major sports leagues can

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have such a flawed draft process,
meaning the NHL and the NBA, And

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maybe you could. I don't look
that hard at Major League Baseball and how

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that works. But can you help
me understand that all? Why they do

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what they do? Like it seems
to work so well when the Lions are

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a perfect example right now, they
finally got some good talent evaluators and the

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right coaching staff and three years later
we're talking Super Bowl and have a reason

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to be doing so, and the
Pistons fall again draft the Wings are constantly

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drafting lower than their talent level screens
they should be. I just don't understand

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it is that collectively bargained. What's
up with that? Well? Why do

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you First of all, let me
ask you this question. Why do you

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think it is flawed? I think
it's flawed because the weakest teams, in

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my opinion, should have the chance
at the best talent first, Like you

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know, more or less, you
know that's what happens typically in the NFL.

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I mean, unless somebody traits the
pick, but they have their choice,

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you know, No, I get
that, and I respect that.

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It's ludicrous it's it's all on chance. Do you believe Let me ask you

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the second question now, because it's
a fascinating topic and I completely understand where

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you're coming from. Do you believe
teams quote end quote tank that they deliberately

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lose to better their chances? There
accusations of that that certain teams were purposely

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losing in order to gain a better
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Do you believe that has happened in
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I believe it, even though i'd
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no examples jumping straight to my mind
because I wish I had one, and

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I'm sure maybe you have a couple. But I think there's creative ways for

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them to achieve that goal, whether
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hey, this guy's hamstring is just
you know, not getting any better of

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that, you know what I mean? But yeah, I guess, yes,

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I do believe it. Okay,
I believe it too. I truly

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believe that there are certain teams that
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I think you see it on a
regular basis where teams are not playing their

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best players. If you don't think
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the year, not that they were
great anyway, but Cad Cunningham could have

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played and he set out with the
last five six games. There's no question

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about that. It has happened.
It's a numbers game and that's what they

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try to do. So yeah,
I think it's happened, and I think

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it's happened. It's a lot easier
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than it would be in football football
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with seventeen games once a week rather
than Yeah, I think it's much and

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that's why they went to the lottery
system. The problem there I got with

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that, Matt, is that you
know they're taking the perspective of this and

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I agree with you. Okay,
so we're going to try to combat this

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little bit that might be happening.
That's not super relevant anyways, because our

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best teams are feat teams are where
we want them to be in the playoffs,

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not national television hopefully relevant, you
know what I mean? This little

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you know, give and take with
crappy teams. Hey, if you got

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to live with it, because there's
just no better answer than just okay,

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I guess that's what it is.
What it is. But when teams like

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the Pistons are the Red Wings constantly
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luck of the draw, Yeah,
I mean that's just not healthy for any

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league. That's my opinion. And
I've just never been able to figure out

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why, you know, why you
wouldn't gravitate towards something that just makes perfect

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sense to me. You want the
league healthy, Yeah, I think that's

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somethin I think that's the perfect world. And I tend to agree with you

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more than I would disagree with you. I just think there are teams.

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I don't think anyone is tanking to
get Alex Sar, but I think in

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the past there has been, and
thanks to the phone call, it's a

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great discussion. I think there has
been. Two thousand and four, Cleveland,

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I think they were tanking for Lebron
James Dunezo Guskis was an All Star.

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He was limited for Chris Mim.
I think Houston did the same for

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Akeem Elijah On. I think the
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and what was it, nineteen ninety
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there, and I think the league
saw it as embarrassing and wrong, and

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so they tried to make it more
fair. The number of teams, the

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amount of ping pong balls. You
and I can disagree on that or come

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to an agreement on that. But
I happened to actually like the lottery because

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I think it forces teams to be
competitive down the stretch or not get rewarded

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just because they want to throw in
the towel. It's a good discussion.

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I do appreciate the conversation because I
know I can feel where you're coming from.

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I do. It's frustrating, especially
when it happens to the pistons as

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Forward Slash Huge Show. This is kind

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of what I touched on midweek.
It's just like, you know, there's

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a benefit to having been through a
lot of that starts and not too successful

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times in your career. You have
a lot of stuff to draw in from

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the past and you know kind of
what you need to do to fix it.

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And you know, there was a
few adjustments I made, and uh,

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you know, you just never know
until you step on the mount.

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So being able to get a swinging
missile the fastball, and you know from

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from Riley Green there the first better
of the game and then see good results

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within the rest of the game.
And see I got a lot of outfront

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swings on the breaking ball there.
You know, that's that's pitching when everybody's

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on time for everything, and you
know you got to change some stuff.

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It's justin Verlander after his victory yesterday
over the Tigers, he and Houston went

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at nine to three went the weekend
series. Verlander in five starts, now

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two and one for Houston with an
era of slightly above three. He's twelveth

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all time in career strikeouts. He's
four and three all time with a two

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point three ERA against Detroit and the
Tigers at the forty game mark are twenty

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and twenty. That's where we're at
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Really good call just before the break. The frustration. You can hear in

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Maury's voice. You can you can
definitely tell that he's pissed off. And

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I get it. Pistons fans everywhere
should be pissed off, maybe people in

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basketball in general. I just think
what you want to be pissed off of

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the league. What you should be
really pissed off at, is that the

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league has allowed, or did allow
at one point, teams to just sandbag

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it down the stretch to better their
chances for an impact player. That leagues

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are willing to look the other way. This load management crap. It's never

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a problem before. This is what
I don't understand. So maybe, honestly,

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maybe you can help me, because
too many times I'm sure I'm viewed

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as old guy. Okay, so
maybe just maybe I'm way out to lunch

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here. Why is load management so
readily acceptable today? How are athletes today?

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This is what I hear from everybody. They're bigger, they're stronger,

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they're faster. Not necessarily going to
disagree with that. Let me bring up

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let's pull out a name from the
past. Okay, let me pull up

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Moses Malone. I do this in
baseball all the time. I did it

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last week with Steve Carlton. I
gave you the innings pitched in. People.

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I know you're driving, you're listening, you're shaking your head, like

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man, I can't believe somebody threw
that many innings. I can't believe somebody

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made that many starts. Look at
Mickey Lolich, look at Denny McClain,

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look at Bob Feller, look at
old guy. I'm old guy, Okay.

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Moses Malone at age twenty three,
eighty two games, eighty two games,

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eighty games, eighty one, seventy
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seventy four, seventy three, seventy
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eighty two, eighty two. Those
are the games he's playing. Played

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the eighty two games at age thirty
five. Okay, he's averaging twenty four

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minutes a game at at age thirty
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averaging thirty four minutes a game.
It worked for Moses Malone back in the

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early nineties and late eighties, and
I know it's a long time ago.

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I get it, but players today
can't do that. I don't understand what's

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the load management? What has happened? If they're bigger, stronger, faster

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and better in so many different cases, why can they no longer play as

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many minutes? Has anyone ever asked
that question? I may not like Lebron

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James, but I respect the hell
out of the fact that he led the

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league in minutes played in two and
seventeen. He led the league in minutes

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played in twenty eighteen. He logs
a ton of minutes, especially with his

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Olympic duties and all the other stuff. Is he playing every game? No,

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he's not. This has nothing to
do with how much you're paying per

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ticket to go watch the best in
the world. I'm just talking about the

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fact of the game itself. How
are you not seeing guys play more often?

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They did it back in the day, but they can't do it today.

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Why load management is what? What's
it doing for you? And that's

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how a lot of teams will hide
it. They will hide This guy's getting

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a day off? Why because of
load management? And it's a way for

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the Oh, something has happened,
miraculously, something has happened with this team's

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best two players where they're out for
an extended period of time and then you

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get a better chance at a draft
pick. Call it integrity, call it

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sportsmanship. I don't care whatever you
want to use. I just don't know

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why. It was okay back in
the day for guys who weren't as big,

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weren't as strong, weren't as fast, weren't as tough, and weren't

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as good according to younger generational players
right now, According to younger people right

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now, that's what it's all about. You know, Dad, your guy

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couldn't have played against my guy.
Why is that? Oh? My guys

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bigger, stronger, faster. Look
at the technology. Look they've got a

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nutritionist. Look they've got this,
they've got that They've got their own assuits.

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Okay, was your guy playing every
day because my guy was how many

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minutes a game? Was your guy
playing because my guy wasn't getting much of

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a breather at all. Oh,
and by the way, you have more

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TV timeouts to the phone lines,
we go the Meyer hotline at eight sixty

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six eight three, eight forty eight
forty three. Then who do we got?

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Yeah, we got David Hudsonville.
Dave, how are you, chef?

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How are you man? And I
am buddy, I'm old school.

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I'm more old school. I agree
with you with load and management, you

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know. And one of the things
I think so people would say now,

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I think people with some people in
management would couch it as we want to

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protect our investment because they're paying so
much more. I mean, you know,

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the stars that we grew up with, we're getting paid pennies compared to

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what they're paid. Now, that's
one of the reasons I think they should

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play more based on how how many
millions of dollars they're making, you know,

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and so forth. But at the
end of the day, I just

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I agree with you. But one
of the questions I would have for you,

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because I think it brings this up
in the earlier conversation, how do

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you best build a team through the
draft, through free agency or combination of

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both? Copy and I feel it's
the combination. Yeah, I do too,

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if you completely if you think about
our greatest teams, the Tigers with

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Trammel Whittaker, Lance Parrish, I'm
Kirk Gibson being drafted, the Pistons with

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Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars. But
remember the Pistons couldn't get there until we

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picked up Buddha Edwards, you know, and some other guys. You know.

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So I think it's a combination.
But I do think you have to

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have a GM who really understands how
to be able to build a combination team.

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So the draft is vital, but
so is free agency, don't you

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think absolutely? Trades are the other
way. Obviously Detroit, you bring up

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Buddha Edwards, they traded for Bill
Lambier. With Cleveland, they traded for

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Rick Mahorn, they traded for Vinnie
Johnson. And remember the infamous one,

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Doyle Alexander, you know, when
John Smoltz left the hometown boy to go

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to Atlanta and so forth. But
that was the time was perceived as a

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really good trade based on the need
and the window of opportunity to try to

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win a championship. Agreed one hundred
percent. The difference there is they didn't

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win a championship, So I think
you get a pass. You get a

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pass if you win the title.
If you don't win the title, and

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Dave, thanks very much, Joy
Hudsonville all day and thanks to the phone

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call. The difference there is,
you know, if you don't get to

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the championship, then you're going to
you've left yourself phone to ridicule. I

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thought, you know, Doyle Alexander, who knew John Smoltz, who at

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the time was an a pitcher,
who knew he was going to be that

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good. Not me. I don't
think many people did. And if they

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say they did, and they I
think they're just I think they're flat out

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lion, you know. But that's
not our job. The job of the

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general manager, the job of the
person in charge, is to know or

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have a better idea. I mean, people forget. John Smoltz was a

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twenty second round draft pick out of
Waverley High School in Lansing when the Tigers

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drafted him and then traded him shortly
thereafter and Doyle Alexander was really good for

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Detroit for the first two years,
the reason they won in eighty seven.

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Jump on Board had a couple of
really good calls this morning. Really appreciate

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you listening and really appreciate the thoughts
because it's really good stuff. It really

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is. I mean, I completely
understand where people are coming from in terms

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of the NBA Draft lottery, how
it's set up, how they determine things.

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I don't blame your frustration at all, because I'm frustrated too. How

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do you build a team, That's
what David Hudsonville said. I mean,

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there's different ways to build it.
Absolutely. We use our championship teams all

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the time as examples and rightfully.
So he used the Pistons in the eighties.

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The Pistons last championship was built around
guys they did not draft primarily.

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I'm a big draft and develop guys. I'm sure you are too. I'm

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sure you believe that's that's got to
be at the core. That's that's the

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most important thing. I believe that's
how you that sustainability. But if you

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look at the Pistons from when they
won their championship in four, John C.

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Phillips wasn't drafted, Eldon Campbell wasn't
drafted, Darvin ham wasn't drafted,

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Richard Hamilton wasn't drafted. Lindsey Hunter
was, but he went away and then

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came back. Mike James wasn't a
Pistons draft pick, Ben Wallace wasn't.

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Rashid Wallace wasn't near neither was Carlos
Williamson. The draft picks on that team

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were mametocor Tayshawn Prince, Darko Milicic. That's what it was about. Those

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were the guys who won the championship. There's not much homegrown there. But

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he's right, Dave's right. What
put he used the eighty four Tigers as

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a example, what put them over
the top. Because the core of Parish

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and Trammel and Whitaker, you know, and Gibson and Rosma and Morris and

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Petriet, those were all guys they
drafted. But what put him over the

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top. When you bring in a
guy like Darryl Evans, and you bring

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in chet Lemon and Larry Herndon and
Guiermo Hernandez, it completes the team.

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The Pistons are a long long way
from that. But if you believe you've

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got at least a couple of guys
who are your core guys, you add

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to it with players who add that
intangible The problem is that the Pistons have

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so many things that are needed in
that intangible category. I see personally,

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I really shouldn't care that much because
I don't think they should keep the draft

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pick anyway. I don't think they
need another young player the second youngest team

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in the NBA. I don't think
they need another player who is unproven,

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young and needs work. I would
like to see them go out and get

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a younger NBA player who has established
himself as a solid pro and could come

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in and help this team. That
said, if the draft isn't all that

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great, and that's the belief.
Where's the incentive for another team to get

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rid of that type of player.
I'm not talking about a Tobias Harris player,

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Okay, even though I liked him
as a Piston stop mid thirties,

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doesn't perform well in high leverage situations, makes too much money. No no,

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no, no, no no no. I'm talking about a good foundation,

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old player who can help improve your
younger players and teach some of them.

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But on the other hand, is
not such a veteran laden where you're

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worried about whether or not you're going
to keep him, signing him at the

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end of his deal next year or
the year after. He has to be

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part of the building block process.
Because the Pistons don't have enough of that.

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You know why they don't have enough
of that, because they weren't fortunate

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enough of the lottery, and because
they've got guys who are just guys.

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You need some guys who are difference
makers in certain areas. Folks look at

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Indiana. They drafted Miles Turner,
they drafted Tyres Halbert, but they added

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Pascal Siakam as a key player.
That's been really important. Obi Toppin was

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a New York Nick draft pick.
Good piece for them. I'm not saying

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they're gonna win the NBA title.
I'm talking about that's an entertaining, solid

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basketball team. That's what you need
if you feel like you've got a couple

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of really key paces. Take any
team. Okay, take Denver Jamal Murray

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and Nikola Jokic. Take Minnesota.
Anthony Edwards first overall, should be your

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caid cunning him, Karl Anthony Towns. Take those types of guys, and

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then you add a Rudy Gobert in
Minnesota for example. That's what this team

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needs. So I try not to
get too caught up too upset at missing

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out on the NBA lottery because A
it's not a great draft. B.

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I don't want them to keep the
pick anyway. Meyer hotline eight eight three

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eight forty eight forty three. I
know we got some techs, that's right.

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What do we got that says Tom
Gores can bring back his name back

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here like a few other owners did
by bringing back Royalty, bring back Joe

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Dumars and John Hammond, and stay
out of their way to bring this franchise

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out of the lottery. Laughing stock. Well, here's here's my problem with

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that. And I thought, look, Joe Dumars was the guy in charge

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of a very, very successful run. I hope everybody understand. I'm not

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talking about it as a Hall of
Fame player, because he was. He's

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a hell of a player. We
all know that. I'm talking about as

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the president of basketball operations. He
was the executive of the Year in two

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thousand and three. He's the one
who helped craft the two thousand and four

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championship. He's the one who helped
Detroit reach Eastern Conference Finals appearances in six

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consecutive seasons before it ended in two
thousand and nine, and they were swept

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by Cleveland. But and we all
make mistakes, We've all had issues.

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He hired Maurice Cheeks, he hired
John Lawyer. He wasn't great at that,

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certain trades, certain drafts not great. I think he did more good

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than bad. Do you really want
Joe Dumars back? No, I don't.

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Sorry. As much as I appreciate
what he did, as much as

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I appreciate him for the great times
that he brought to this team and this

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city, I don't think he wants
or should be back in the front office.

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John Hammond right now is probably enjoying
a really good life because he was

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a former Executive of the Year.
I think with Milwaukee at think in twenty

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ten, he's in Orlando's front office. Now, why tell me why this?

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Why would he want to come back? It's polyganna stuff for you,

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perhaps, but not necessarily for them. And by the way, I want

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you to ask yourself the simple question
in order for you to leave a job

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that is pretty good, right,
I mean limited amount of pure not like

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a general manager pressure. And John
Hammond's got things going pretty well in Orlando.

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Don't you think with some of the
your young core bonkiro Wagner, for

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example, what about the Pistons opportunity
is so alluring to you that makes you

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think he would want to come See, we look at it from our perspective,

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and I understand why you do.
We look at it from our perspective.

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I want this guy back. He
should want to come back, and

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it's our team. He was here
before. Let's make sure it's appealing enough

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for him to return. Well,
sure that would be the case, guys,

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move on. Team has moved on. He's found success comfortability elsewhere,

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and when you look at this team, do you view it as an unbelievable

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opportunity that will be turned around quickly? Because if you're witnessing that, I'd

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like to know what the evidence is. I don't see that what I like

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them from, you know, fifteen
years ago, twenty years ago to come

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back. Yes, that's not who
they are any longer. So I would

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say no to that, even though
it's a noble idea. The problem you

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have there is I just don't see
how this is so much more enticing.

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Take your emotions out of if you
can take the fact that you're a huge

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Pistons fan as am I, and
we want success. Do you think they're

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built for it? Right now?
With the coach, the general manager,

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the structure, and the owner,
do you think it is built for success?

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Okay, now that you've answer yourself, if you were him in his

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shoes, why would you come back? John Hammond's got a good thing going

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in Orlando? Why would you come
back leaving Orlando for Detroit, leaving their

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situation on the floor? Why?
Right, I don't get it. I

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don't think he would, and I
don't think you would. Joe Dumars works

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in the NBA front office right,
he's the executive vice president, head of

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basketball operations. He's been doing that
for the last couple of years. He

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doesn't have to worry about and he's
got to be it's got to be a

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good living. You think he's dying
to get back into being a general manager,

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And if so of a team that
is in this type of situation,

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I doubt it. Would you leave
that job where you're handing out certain fines

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and the amount of people who rip
on you and are criticizing you and doing

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all those things that well social media
does to people if they don't agree with

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you, Would you do that?
Leave that for this situation, specifically this

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situation. You're not going to Denver
because somebody decided to retire at the last

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moment. You're not going to Boston
because somebody decided they've had enough. They're

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coming to Detroit. Who's coming out
fourteen wins, who has the fifth overall

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pick and a weak draft and doesn't
have a whole lot on their current roster

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to show for it. So personally, I don't think they fit. Secondarily,

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I don't think either one would even
want to be interested in it,

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And I understand why Another tech Ben
I know we got one. What do

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we got? Yeah, it says
quit blaming the Tigers players blame aj Hinch.

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Does the body language of schoobl and
Manning say they want to be pulled?

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I think the opposite. They get
mad. Good for them, Yeah

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they should get mad. I don't
blame Amon damn bit. Yeah, this

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is what I think. This is
what happens in sports, and I understand

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it. I really do. I
understand the fact that when you look at

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baseball, you look at when a
manager pitches a Tiger's pitcher, or when

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you're a starting pitcher or any pitcher. I suppose Trek Scooble went six and

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a third the other day, gave
up seven hits and touring runs. Then

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they went to Shelby Miller. I
know everybody was shaking their head. And

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then Tyler Holden Tiger's got to win
eight too. Here's what I like about

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the text. I like the fact
that you're complaining even though Schooble got the

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win. That means you're consistent.
You want to see him in there,

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even though the Tigers got a quote
unquote got away with it. I think

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you're still pissed off that he pulled
him when he did at ninety seven pitches.

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I don't care about pitch count,
man, I really don't. I

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don't think he does that much either. I think what he cares about his

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matchups. And when you're through the
lineup for a third time and guys have

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certain swings or have had certain swings
against you, I think that's something that

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they're measuring. I think they pull
them too early. Okay, I do

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you and I are in lockstep there. I want to see my starting pitch.

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Here's who I look at. Who's
more likely to get the out?

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Errek scoobl or Shelby Miller. Right, So I'm with you on that.

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But your first comment in your text
is stop blaming the players. Who the

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hell else am I not going to
play or blame? I should say?

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And a nine to three loss,
when you're going up there, you're zero

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for three with two punch outs against
Justin Verlander. Come on, you're mad

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that aj Hinch pulled Erk Scouoble.
I didn't like it either, and that's

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fine. Here's my question to you. Do you believe that aj Hinch was

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responsible for the win or responsible for
the loss? Did he win the game

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for them against Houston Saturday and then
lost the game for them against Houston Sunday.

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Or are you suggesting that they won
despite him Saturday and he's the reason

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they lost Sunday, because I'm not
buying the latter. Riley Green went over

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three, Mark Kenna over three,
Matt Vierling, oh for three. The

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top three in your order are zero
for nine and on base once. Tough

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way to win a ball game,
right, You're limited to six hits.

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If you want to blame him for
the roster configuration, ahead, just understand

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that blame is shared. It's not
just aj Hinch, it's Scott Harris and

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other members of that front office who
have helped construct this team. If you

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didn't want certain guys on this team, fair enough, who should have been

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there instead? That's all I'm asking. You didn't want Matt Vierling, you

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didn't want Kerry Carpenter, you didn't
want Mark Canna, you didn't want Riley

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You wanted to kill? But do Those

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