Toronto ruled that it was a good goal, that the play didn't interfere with
the goal. That's the explanation. I got, what did you see on
it? When you saw the replay, made the decision to challenge What led
to that decision. We thought that Coyle was on top of our goaltender,
and if Coyle was able to stand his ground, he could have cleared the
puck that inhibited our goaltender from being able to react to play in the puck
by that. Jim Montgomery after his team's lost to Florida last night, in
which his team blew a two to nothing league and they end up losing three
to two and end up trailing in the series three to one. They are
zero in twenty five all time when trailing in the series three games to one,
and they go back to Florida. Welcome back. Second hour of ex'es
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Tigers lose nine to three to the Astros over the weekend. I wonder,
is this team dangerously close? Are you only watching and following them because
it's baseball season and the Pistons and Red Wings and Lions. Is just maybe
too early for the Lions, and it's too late for the Pistons and Red
Wings. Right now you're following them for what reason? Are they entertaining enough
for you? It's a big question for some people. Are you just biding
your time to get to the NFL season? I think in Michigan, in
our wonderful state, where so much is offered, you can go voting,
people love their golf, they love to be outside. Since it is a
relatively short window, if the Tigers are to captivate you, there's got to
be at least a couple of players. You've got to be obviously competitive.
Not saying that people don't go down to watch the team. They do,
but I'm talking about emotionally deep investment here. So my experience in the state
is that you have to provide fans with some players who are just I mean,
you can't miss them. Verlander was a really good example back in the
day. Okay, you had to watch him. Maybe Trek School was there
for you. That's a possibility. Outside of that, I don't think there
is anybody. I don't think people are saying I've got to watch Cole Keith
tonight yet I've got to make sure I'm seeing what Mark Hanna is about to
do in his at bat. Hold on a second, honey, I know
you're waiting for me in the car, but carry carpenters up and I can't
wait to watch. That's just my belief. So I think there is something
there that is missing in that regard. And if you're not going to have
that, you've got to give me a team that you think has a chance
to win every single night. And I don't think people believe that yet either.
Not a twenty up and twenty down. Not yet doesn't mean it's too
late. I just don't think think that's the case just yet. Phone number
on the Myer hotline eighty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. Then
who do we go waiting for you? Yeah? Sorry, we got Marian
Green Rapids, Maury. Thanks for listening on ninety six point ONEFM The Game.
How are you? I'm great, Shep. How are you doing this
morning? Good? Good? Hope you had a good weekend. It was
a great weekend. Listen. You know, maybe you can help me understand
this. And I don't know if you touched on it, because I just
plugged in here I don't understand, shep, how two major sports leagues can
have such a flawed draft process, meaning the NHL and the NBA, And
maybe you could. I don't look that hard at Major League Baseball and how
that works. But can you help me understand that all? Why they do
what they do? Like it seems to work so well when the Lions are
a perfect example right now, they finally got some good talent evaluators and the
right coaching staff and three years later we're talking Super Bowl and have a reason
to be doing so, and the Pistons fall again draft the Wings are constantly
drafting lower than their talent level screens they should be. I just don't understand
it is that collectively bargained. What's up with that? Well? Why do
you First of all, let me ask you this question. Why do you
think it is flawed? I think it's flawed because the weakest teams, in
my opinion, should have the chance at the best talent first, Like you
know, more or less, you know that's what happens typically in the NFL.
I mean, unless somebody traits the pick, but they have their choice,
you know, No, I get that, and I respect that.
It's ludicrous it's it's all on chance. Do you believe Let me ask you
the second question now, because it's a fascinating topic and I completely understand where
you're coming from. Do you believe teams quote end quote tank that they deliberately
lose to better their chances? There accusations of that that certain teams were purposely
losing in order to gain a better chance at getting the first overall pick.
Do you believe that has happened in the past. You know, I'll say
I believe it, even though i'd like to. You know, I can't
no examples jumping straight to my mind because I wish I had one, and
I'm sure maybe you have a couple. But I think there's creative ways for
them to achieve that goal, whether it's playing younger guys or you know,
hey, this guy's hamstring is just you know, not getting any better of
that, you know what I mean? But yeah, I guess, yes,
I do believe it. Okay, I believe it too. I truly
believe that there are certain teams that have done that in the past, and
I think you see it on a regular basis where teams are not playing their
best players. If you don't think the Pistons did it at the end of
the year, not that they were great anyway, but Cad Cunningham could have
played and he set out with the last five six games. There's no question
about that. It has happened. It's a numbers game and that's what they
try to do. So yeah, I think it's happened, and I think
it's happened. It's a lot easier or more convenient to do it in basketball
than it would be in football football with a roster of fifty four guys football
with seventeen games once a week rather than Yeah, I think it's much and
that's why they went to the lottery system. The problem there I got with
that, Matt, is that you know they're taking the perspective of this and
I agree with you. Okay, so we're going to try to combat this
little bit that might be happening. That's not super relevant anyways, because our
best teams are feat teams are where we want them to be in the playoffs,
not national television hopefully relevant, you know what I mean? This little
you know, give and take with crappy teams. Hey, if you got
to live with it, because there's just no better answer than just okay,
I guess that's what it is. What it is. But when teams like
the Pistons are the Red Wings constantly are falling out of place just by the
luck of the draw, Yeah, I mean that's just not healthy for any
league. That's my opinion. And I've just never been able to figure out
why, you know, why you wouldn't gravitate towards something that just makes perfect
sense to me. You want the league healthy, Yeah, I think that's
somethin I think that's the perfect world. And I tend to agree with you
more than I would disagree with you. I just think there are teams.
I don't think anyone is tanking to get Alex Sar, but I think in
the past there has been, and thanks to the phone call, it's a
great discussion. I think there has been. Two thousand and four, Cleveland,
I think they were tanking for Lebron James Dunezo Guskis was an All Star.
He was limited for Chris Mim. I think Houston did the same for
Akeem Elijah On. I think the Spurs did the same for Tim duncan Beck
and what was it, nineteen ninety seven. I think there was a strategy
there, and I think the league saw it as embarrassing and wrong, and
so they tried to make it more fair. The number of teams, the
amount of ping pong balls. You and I can disagree on that or come
to an agreement on that. But I happened to actually like the lottery because
I think it forces teams to be competitive down the stretch or not get rewarded
just because they want to throw in the towel. It's a good discussion.
I do appreciate the conversation because I know I can feel where you're coming from.
I do. It's frustrating, especially when it happens to the pistons as
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of what I touched on midweek. It's just like, you know, there's
a benefit to having been through a lot of that starts and not too successful
times in your career. You have a lot of stuff to draw in from
the past and you know kind of what you need to do to fix it.
And you know, there was a few adjustments I made, and uh,
you know, you just never know until you step on the mount.
So being able to get a swinging missile the fastball, and you know from
from Riley Green there the first better of the game and then see good results
within the rest of the game. And see I got a lot of outfront
swings on the breaking ball there. You know, that's that's pitching when everybody's
on time for everything, and you know you got to change some stuff.
It's justin Verlander after his victory yesterday over the Tigers, he and Houston went
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Really good call just before the break. The frustration. You can hear in
Maury's voice. You can you can definitely tell that he's pissed off. And
I get it. Pistons fans everywhere should be pissed off, maybe people in
basketball in general. I just think what you want to be pissed off of
the league. What you should be really pissed off at, is that the
league has allowed, or did allow at one point, teams to just sandbag
it down the stretch to better their chances for an impact player. That leagues
are willing to look the other way. This load management crap. It's never
a problem before. This is what I don't understand. So maybe, honestly,
maybe you can help me, because too many times I'm sure I'm viewed
as old guy. Okay, so maybe just maybe I'm way out to lunch
here. Why is load management so readily acceptable today? How are athletes today?
This is what I hear from everybody. They're bigger, they're stronger,
they're faster. Not necessarily going to disagree with that. Let me bring up
let's pull out a name from the past. Okay, let me pull up
Moses Malone. I do this in baseball all the time. I did it
last week with Steve Carlton. I gave you the innings pitched in. People.
I know you're driving, you're listening, you're shaking your head, like
man, I can't believe somebody threw that many innings. I can't believe somebody
made that many starts. Look at Mickey Lolich, look at Denny McClain,
look at Bob Feller, look at old guy. I'm old guy, Okay.
Moses Malone at age twenty three, eighty two games, eighty two games,
eighty games, eighty one, seventy eight, seventy one, seventy nine,
seventy four, seventy three, seventy nine, eighty one, eighty one,
eighty two, eighty two. Those are the games he's playing. Played
the eighty two games at age thirty five. Okay, he's averaging twenty four
minutes a game at at age thirty five. At age thirty four, he's
averaging thirty four minutes a game. It worked for Moses Malone back in the
early nineties and late eighties, and I know it's a long time ago.
I get it, but players today can't do that. I don't understand what's
the load management? What has happened? If they're bigger, stronger, faster
and better in so many different cases, why can they no longer play as
many minutes? Has anyone ever asked that question? I may not like Lebron
James, but I respect the hell out of the fact that he led the
league in minutes played in two and seventeen. He led the league in minutes
played in twenty eighteen. He logs a ton of minutes, especially with his
Olympic duties and all the other stuff. Is he playing every game? No,
he's not. This has nothing to do with how much you're paying per
ticket to go watch the best in the world. I'm just talking about the
fact of the game itself. How are you not seeing guys play more often?
They did it back in the day, but they can't do it today.
Why load management is what? What's it doing for you? And that's
how a lot of teams will hide it. They will hide This guy's getting
a day off? Why because of load management? And it's a way for
the Oh, something has happened, miraculously, something has happened with this team's
best two players where they're out for an extended period of time and then you
get a better chance at a draft pick. Call it integrity, call it
sportsmanship. I don't care whatever you want to use. I just don't know
why. It was okay back in the day for guys who weren't as big,
weren't as strong, weren't as fast, weren't as tough, and weren't
as good according to younger generational players right now, According to younger people right
now, that's what it's all about. You know, Dad, your guy
couldn't have played against my guy. Why is that? Oh? My guys
bigger, stronger, faster. Look at the technology. Look they've got a
nutritionist. Look they've got this, they've got that They've got their own assuits.
Okay, was your guy playing every day because my guy was how many
minutes a game? Was your guy playing because my guy wasn't getting much of
a breather at all. Oh, and by the way, you have more
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six eight three, eight forty eight forty three. Then who do we got?
Yeah, we got David Hudsonville. Dave, how are you, chef?
How are you man? And I am buddy, I'm old school.
I'm more old school. I agree with you with load and management, you
know. And one of the things I think so people would say now,
I think people with some people in management would couch it as we want to
protect our investment because they're paying so much more. I mean, you know,
the stars that we grew up with, we're getting paid pennies compared to
what they're paid. Now, that's one of the reasons I think they should
play more based on how how many millions of dollars they're making, you know,
and so forth. But at the end of the day, I just
I agree with you. But one of the questions I would have for you,
because I think it brings this up in the earlier conversation, how do
you best build a team through the draft, through free agency or combination of
both? Copy and I feel it's the combination. Yeah, I do too,
if you completely if you think about our greatest teams, the Tigers with
Trammel Whittaker, Lance Parrish, I'm Kirk Gibson being drafted, the Pistons with
Isaiah Thomas and Joe Dumars. But remember the Pistons couldn't get there until we
picked up Buddha Edwards, you know, and some other guys. You know.
So I think it's a combination. But I do think you have to
have a GM who really understands how to be able to build a combination team.
So the draft is vital, but so is free agency, don't you
think absolutely? Trades are the other way. Obviously Detroit, you bring up
Buddha Edwards, they traded for Bill Lambier. With Cleveland, they traded for
Rick Mahorn, they traded for Vinnie Johnson. And remember the infamous one,
Doyle Alexander, you know, when John Smoltz left the hometown boy to go
to Atlanta and so forth. But that was the time was perceived as a
really good trade based on the need and the window of opportunity to try to
win a championship. Agreed one hundred percent. The difference there is they didn't
win a championship, So I think you get a pass. You get a
pass if you win the title. If you don't win the title, and
Dave, thanks very much, Joy Hudsonville all day and thanks to the phone
call. The difference there is, you know, if you don't get to
the championship, then you're going to you've left yourself phone to ridicule. I
thought, you know, Doyle Alexander, who knew John Smoltz, who at
the time was an a pitcher, who knew he was going to be that
good. Not me. I don't think many people did. And if they
say they did, and they I think they're just I think they're flat out
lion, you know. But that's not our job. The job of the
general manager, the job of the person in charge, is to know or
have a better idea. I mean, people forget. John Smoltz was a
twenty second round draft pick out of Waverley High School in Lansing when the Tigers
drafted him and then traded him shortly thereafter and Doyle Alexander was really good for
Detroit for the first two years, the reason they won in eighty seven.
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Jump on Board had a couple of really good calls this morning. Really appreciate
you listening and really appreciate the thoughts because it's really good stuff. It really
is. I mean, I completely understand where people are coming from in terms
of the NBA Draft lottery, how it's set up, how they determine things.
I don't blame your frustration at all, because I'm frustrated too. How
do you build a team, That's what David Hudsonville said. I mean,
there's different ways to build it. Absolutely. We use our championship teams all
the time as examples and rightfully. So he used the Pistons in the eighties.
The Pistons last championship was built around guys they did not draft primarily.
I'm a big draft and develop guys. I'm sure you are too. I'm
sure you believe that's that's got to be at the core. That's that's the
most important thing. I believe that's how you that sustainability. But if you
look at the Pistons from when they won their championship in four, John C.
Phillips wasn't drafted, Eldon Campbell wasn't drafted, Darvin ham wasn't drafted,
Richard Hamilton wasn't drafted. Lindsey Hunter was, but he went away and then
came back. Mike James wasn't a Pistons draft pick, Ben Wallace wasn't.
Rashid Wallace wasn't near neither was Carlos Williamson. The draft picks on that team
were mametocor Tayshawn Prince, Darko Milicic. That's what it was about. Those
were the guys who won the championship. There's not much homegrown there. But
he's right, Dave's right. What put he used the eighty four Tigers as
a example, what put them over the top. Because the core of Parish
and Trammel and Whitaker, you know, and Gibson and Rosma and Morris and
Petriet, those were all guys they drafted. But what put him over the
top. When you bring in a guy like Darryl Evans, and you bring
in chet Lemon and Larry Herndon and Guiermo Hernandez, it completes the team.
The Pistons are a long long way from that. But if you believe you've
got at least a couple of guys who are your core guys, you add
to it with players who add that intangible The problem is that the Pistons have
so many things that are needed in that intangible category. I see personally,
I really shouldn't care that much because I don't think they should keep the draft
pick anyway. I don't think they need another young player the second youngest team
in the NBA. I don't think they need another player who is unproven,
young and needs work. I would like to see them go out and get
a younger NBA player who has established himself as a solid pro and could come
in and help this team. That said, if the draft isn't all that
great, and that's the belief. Where's the incentive for another team to get
rid of that type of player. I'm not talking about a Tobias Harris player,
Okay, even though I liked him as a Piston stop mid thirties,
doesn't perform well in high leverage situations, makes too much money. No no,
no, no, no no no. I'm talking about a good foundation,
old player who can help improve your younger players and teach some of them.
But on the other hand, is not such a veteran laden where you're
worried about whether or not you're going to keep him, signing him at the
end of his deal next year or the year after. He has to be
part of the building block process. Because the Pistons don't have enough of that.
You know why they don't have enough of that, because they weren't fortunate
enough of the lottery, and because they've got guys who are just guys.
You need some guys who are difference makers in certain areas. Folks look at
Indiana. They drafted Miles Turner, they drafted Tyres Halbert, but they added
Pascal Siakam as a key player. That's been really important. Obi Toppin was
a New York Nick draft pick. Good piece for them. I'm not saying
they're gonna win the NBA title. I'm talking about that's an entertaining, solid
basketball team. That's what you need if you feel like you've got a couple
of really key paces. Take any team. Okay, take Denver Jamal Murray
and Nikola Jokic. Take Minnesota. Anthony Edwards first overall, should be your
caid cunning him, Karl Anthony Towns. Take those types of guys, and
then you add a Rudy Gobert in Minnesota for example. That's what this team
needs. So I try not to get too caught up too upset at missing
out on the NBA lottery because A it's not a great draft. B.
I don't want them to keep the pick anyway. Meyer hotline eight eight three
eight forty eight forty three. I know we got some techs, that's right.
What do we got that says Tom Gores can bring back his name back
here like a few other owners did by bringing back Royalty, bring back Joe
Dumars and John Hammond, and stay out of their way to bring this franchise
out of the lottery. Laughing stock. Well, here's here's my problem with
that. And I thought, look, Joe Dumars was the guy in charge
of a very, very successful run. I hope everybody understand. I'm not
talking about it as a Hall of Fame player, because he was. He's
a hell of a player. We all know that. I'm talking about as
the president of basketball operations. He was the executive of the Year in two
thousand and three. He's the one who helped craft the two thousand and four
championship. He's the one who helped Detroit reach Eastern Conference Finals appearances in six
consecutive seasons before it ended in two thousand and nine, and they were swept
by Cleveland. But and we all make mistakes, We've all had issues.
He hired Maurice Cheeks, he hired John Lawyer. He wasn't great at that,
certain trades, certain drafts not great. I think he did more good
than bad. Do you really want Joe Dumars back? No, I don't.
Sorry. As much as I appreciate what he did, as much as
I appreciate him for the great times that he brought to this team and this
city, I don't think he wants or should be back in the front office.
John Hammond right now is probably enjoying a really good life because he was
a former Executive of the Year. I think with Milwaukee at think in twenty
ten, he's in Orlando's front office. Now, why tell me why this?
Why would he want to come back? It's polyganna stuff for you,
perhaps, but not necessarily for them. And by the way, I want
you to ask yourself the simple question in order for you to leave a job
that is pretty good, right, I mean limited amount of pure not like
a general manager pressure. And John Hammond's got things going pretty well in Orlando.
Don't you think with some of the your young core bonkiro Wagner, for
example, what about the Pistons opportunity is so alluring to you that makes you
think he would want to come See, we look at it from our perspective,
and I understand why you do. We look at it from our perspective.
I want this guy back. He should want to come back, and
it's our team. He was here before. Let's make sure it's appealing enough
for him to return. Well, sure that would be the case, guys,
move on. Team has moved on. He's found success comfortability elsewhere,
and when you look at this team, do you view it as an unbelievable
opportunity that will be turned around quickly? Because if you're witnessing that, I'd
like to know what the evidence is. I don't see that what I like
them from, you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago to come
back. Yes, that's not who they are any longer. So I would
say no to that, even though it's a noble idea. The problem you
have there is I just don't see how this is so much more enticing.
Take your emotions out of if you can take the fact that you're a huge
Pistons fan as am I, and we want success. Do you think they're
built for it? Right now? With the coach, the general manager,
the structure, and the owner, do you think it is built for success?
Okay, now that you've answer yourself, if you were him in his
shoes, why would you come back? John Hammond's got a good thing going
in Orlando? Why would you come back leaving Orlando for Detroit, leaving their
situation on the floor? Why? Right, I don't get it. I
don't think he would, and I don't think you would. Joe Dumars works
in the NBA front office right, he's the executive vice president, head of
basketball operations. He's been doing that for the last couple of years. He
doesn't have to worry about and he's got to be it's got to be a
good living. You think he's dying to get back into being a general manager,
And if so of a team that is in this type of situation,
I doubt it. Would you leave that job where you're handing out certain fines
and the amount of people who rip on you and are criticizing you and doing
all those things that well social media does to people if they don't agree with
you, Would you do that? Leave that for this situation, specifically this
situation. You're not going to Denver because somebody decided to retire at the last
moment. You're not going to Boston because somebody decided they've had enough. They're
coming to Detroit. Who's coming out fourteen wins, who has the fifth overall
pick and a weak draft and doesn't have a whole lot on their current roster
to show for it. So personally, I don't think they fit. Secondarily,
I don't think either one would even want to be interested in it,
And I understand why Another tech Ben I know we got one. What do
we got? Yeah, it says quit blaming the Tigers players blame aj Hinch.
Does the body language of schoobl and Manning say they want to be pulled?
I think the opposite. They get mad. Good for them, Yeah
they should get mad. I don't blame Amon damn bit. Yeah, this
is what I think. This is what happens in sports, and I understand
it. I really do. I understand the fact that when you look at
baseball, you look at when a manager pitches a Tiger's pitcher, or when
you're a starting pitcher or any pitcher. I suppose Trek Scooble went six and
a third the other day, gave up seven hits and touring runs. Then
they went to Shelby Miller. I know everybody was shaking their head. And
then Tyler Holden Tiger's got to win eight too. Here's what I like about
the text. I like the fact that you're complaining even though Schooble got the
win. That means you're consistent. You want to see him in there,
even though the Tigers got a quote unquote got away with it. I think
you're still pissed off that he pulled him when he did at ninety seven pitches.
I don't care about pitch count, man, I really don't. I
don't think he does that much either. I think what he cares about his
matchups. And when you're through the lineup for a third time and guys have
certain swings or have had certain swings against you, I think that's something that
they're measuring. I think they pull them too early. Okay, I do
you and I are in lockstep there. I want to see my starting pitch.
Here's who I look at. Who's more likely to get the out?
Errek scoobl or Shelby Miller. Right, So I'm with you on that.
But your first comment in your text is stop blaming the players. Who the
hell else am I not going to play or blame? I should say?
And a nine to three loss, when you're going up there, you're zero
for three with two punch outs against Justin Verlander. Come on, you're mad
that aj Hinch pulled Erk Scouoble. I didn't like it either, and that's
fine. Here's my question to you. Do you believe that aj Hinch was
responsible for the win or responsible for the loss? Did he win the game
for them against Houston Saturday and then lost the game for them against Houston Sunday.
Or are you suggesting that they won despite him Saturday and he's the reason
they lost Sunday, because I'm not buying the latter. Riley Green went over
three, Mark Kenna over three, Matt Vierling, oh for three. The
top three in your order are zero for nine and on base once. Tough
way to win a ball game, right, You're limited to six hits.
If you want to blame him for the roster configuration, ahead, just understand
that blame is shared. It's not just aj Hinch, it's Scott Harris and
other members of that front office who have helped construct this team. If you
didn't want certain guys on this team, fair enough, who should have been
there instead? That's all I'm asking. You didn't want Matt Vierling, you
didn't want Kerry Carpenter, you didn't want Mark Canna, you didn't want Riley
Green. Who did you want? You wanted to kill? But do Those
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