1 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:21,640 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, 2 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:24,719 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:28,760 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,039 Make sure to subscribe wherever your download your podcasts into the premium version of 5 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:37,079 our website as well. Today we're back with one of our very favorites, 6 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:40,520 and that would be Liz Wheeler. She is the author of the new book 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,399 Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxists behind the Attack on America's Kids. That's 8 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:48,880 out for pre order. It is coming out on September twenty six, but 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,039 you can preorder it now. Liz is also, of course, the host 10 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,280 of the Liz Wheelers Show. Liz, thanks for joining us once again. 11 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,799 Thanks for having me, Emily. Okay, so, I really feel like 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:06,920 you've been on something of an odyssey to get to like the insanity. You 13 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,959 know, if people were looking around in twenty twenty and asking what the heck 14 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,280 happened? I feel like you have spent a lot of time recently trying to 15 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,840 answer that question and successfully answering that question. Having taken a look at the 16 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:23,239 book you right this is a decisive moment for the left. This is their 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,480 last chance because of our victories. Their time to impose Marxism on our nation 18 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,640 is either now or never. They're pulling out all the stops. Liz, 19 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,840 my first question for you is why call this Marxism. Some people might say 20 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:44,480 this is just a permutation. It is, you know, crazy Democrats, 21 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:48,599 but Marxism. They may not think of it that way. Why is it 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,719 so important to think of it that way? It is? And I fully 23 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,840 understand the question. It's the question I had myself. I embarked on this 24 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,879 project because I, like many parents in this country. This is true of 25 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:05,959 both Republicans and Democrats, saw what was happening during COVID in a way that 26 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,879 we had not seen before. And when they saw what was happening I'm talking 27 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,840 about, saw what was happening to our children. A lot of parents just 28 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,199 looked over their children's shoulders on zoom school and saw that their children were being 29 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,719 told if they're white, then they're inherently racist, if they're black, then 30 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:24,080 they're inherently oppressed. We saw the transgender ideology become prevalent in a way that 31 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:29,319 just ten years ago it was not. We saw our children being told that 32 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,759 quote unquote, your truth or my truth is more important than the truth. 33 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:38,680 Just moral relativism repackaged. And my question was, how come all of these 34 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:43,240 attacks on our children are happening all at the same time. It seems to 35 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,919 me that it's more than a coincidence that it would be such a concerted effort. 36 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,680 So I started out seeking to find an answer to this question. And 37 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:55,240 it turns out the answer to this question isn't so much a why as it 38 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:01,840 is a who the people behind these efforts to change our children. And what 39 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,599 I really found was the left. This is not a new attack. It 40 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,840 might be concerted now against our children, but for actually nearly a century, 41 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,120 the left has attempted to re engineer our entire society, and unfortunately they've been 42 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:21,520 pretty successful at doing it. They've co opted what I would consider to be 43 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,680 four of the five foundational cultural institutions. They've captured the media, they've captured 44 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:31,400 the education system, they've captured religion, they've captured the law, and they've 45 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:36,599 tried to capture the family as well. They've merely destroyed the family, man, 46 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,639 woman, marriage, sex. And there's one element, just one element 47 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:45,319 of the family that's left standing, that's children, which probably explains why the 48 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,120 Left is coming after our children here. So what I do in this book 49 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:54,039 if I name the names of the people and the organizations behind the capture of 50 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,199 our institutions and behind this attack on our children. And what I found is 51 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:03,639 not something I necessarily started out looking for. I was. I didn't start 52 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:09,639 with a preconceived conclusion and look for evidence to substantiate my conclusion. But what 53 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,759 I found is the people behind these assaults on our institutions and on our children 54 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:19,879 either our self avowed Marxists or are propagating very clearly Marxist ideology. So what 55 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:24,160 I do in the book the first half of the book, I detail each 56 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:29,959 of these institutions and how it's targeting our children. Because if we don't recognize, 57 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,480 fully acknowledge the reality of this political enemy that we face, and we 58 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:35,839 don't put a name on it and say I recognize that as Marxism, then 59 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:41,160 we won't fight well against it, We won't win, will lose. So 60 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:45,319 it's very important for all of us to understand. Even if it sounds like 61 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,639 an empty insult that you might just hurl on cable news, it's very important 62 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,399 to understand it's not just an ad hominem. It's not just a word that 63 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:56,759 we demonize. These are actual Marxists who aspiled Marxist ideology. And then the 64 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,000 second half of the book, I offer a solution, a solution that is 65 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,399 full disclosure, different than what the Republican Party offers, for how we can 66 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,839 reclaim our institutions and how we can protect our children. As a mom, 67 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:13,560 I obviously feel very strongly about this for the sake of our children's individual souls, 68 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,959 but it's also as a nation. If we allow the Marxists to capture 69 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,519 our children, that we as a nation are done. You start by connecting 70 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,680 or drawing the line between Marx to Gramsky, and then you go Marx to 71 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,319 for Dan, Marx to critical theory. I really want people to buy this 72 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,279 book so they can read about those links, and you outline it very clearly. 73 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,160 But for the sake of this discussion, maybe just to wet people's appetites, 74 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:46,319 what is the kind of connective tissue between Marx and Gramsky and then Marks 75 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,319 and Fredan and then ultimately critical theory. Yeah. So one of the most 76 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:56,920 common responses that are questions that I've received so far since announcing this book is 77 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,480 listen. Carl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto was an economic thing, right, 78 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:02,959 it was the working class was supposed to be oppressed by the ruling class, 79 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,439 or the working class was supposed to revolt against the ruling class and thus usher 80 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,319 in mark with them. How on earth is what we are faithing when our 81 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,199 children are being taught weirdo things? It's poisonous ideology. How is that Marxism? 82 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,319 And it's the valid question and the answer that is that when Karl Marx 83 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,839 wrote the Communist Manifesto, he did mean it to be an economic revolution, 84 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,279 and it didn't really work out as an economic revolution. I mean, we 85 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,560 didn't see this catch fire around the world. It was kind of relegated to 86 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:34,040 just philosophers and college professors and people who thought that they were the vanguard of 87 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:38,279 thinkers. But it didn't in practicality. We didn't see this work in a 88 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:44,079 lot of nations, and so communism or Marxism specifically the brand of communism, 89 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 I guess, started to die out just a little bit. It wasn't quite 90 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:53,639 as popular until an Italian Marxist by the name of Antonio Gromsey was actually one 91 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:59,120 of the founders of the Italian Communist Party recognized a flaw in Karl Marx's thinking. 92 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,439 He said, well, let's in, the working class is never going 93 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:08,879 to revolt against the ruling class if the working class relies on the civil institutions, 94 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:13,600 which just means the cultural institutions of the ruling class. So he said, 95 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,879 Gromsey said, in order to even get us to the point where the 96 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,279 working class will stage this economic revolt against the ruling class, we have to 97 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:28,360 destroy the civil or cultural institutions on which the working class rely, and he 98 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:32,519 named, among others, he named the media, he named the education system, 99 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,040 he named religion, he named the law, and he named the family. 100 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:41,879 What we are seeing, this form of cultural Marxism in our nation is 101 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,920 the cultural Marxism of Antonio Gromsey. Once you read this chapter, you'll probably 102 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:49,560 get the chills on your arms because you'll you'll think, oh, my goodness, 103 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:56,240 this is playing out in a textbook fashion exactly what Antonio Gramsey plan, 104 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:00,120 and you can extrapolate it even further. One of my favorite chapters in this 105 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,800 book is actually the chapter on Paolo free Air. Paulo free Air is a 106 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,959 Brazilian Marxist, but one of the interesting things that's happened in the conservative movement 107 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,040 over the course of the past three or four months is we use this term 108 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,519 woke all the time to describe really cultural Marxism in our institutions. But there's 109 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,879 been a debate because sometimes it can be difficult to define the word woke, 110 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:24,600 like what is woke? How do you define the word woke? Can you 111 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,519 give a definition of the word woke? And a lot of conservatives will just 112 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,080 say, well, you know when you see it, which isn't untrue, 113 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,240 that is accurate. At the same time, what I do in this book 114 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,919 is I trace the word woke back through its origin, and its origin is 115 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:46,759 with this Brazilian Marxist Paulo Freer, who basically presented this idea or proposed this 116 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,519 idea that there's no such thing as objective truth. There's not something that's just 117 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,480 true and something that's false. He said that what truth quote unquote truth is 118 00:08:54,879 --> 00:09:00,080 is just the prevailing political narrative. So whoever won the political fight gets to 119 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,759 define what truth is. Because of that, he said, in schools, 120 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,879 teachers shouldn't be allowed to teach truth, They shouldn't be allowed to teach knowledge. 121 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:11,200 They should only be allowed to teach a world of view. They should 122 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,080 teach children what he called critical consciousness, which is just a euphemism for teaching 123 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,840 children to look at the world through a Marxist lens where everyone's either an oppressor 124 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:28,840 or oppressed. That critical consciousness is wokeness. It's just a different term, 125 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:35,159 a euphemism that modern Marxists in America today use to describe Free Ari's critical consciousness. 126 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,279 But there's a direct line between Free Ari and his ideas into the education 127 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,679 system today, and once you see it, you'll see it everywhere. You 128 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,080 can't unsee it. You actually link Mao to d Ei in the book, 129 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,519 where I mean you don't link it, you expose the intentional link from Mao 130 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,159 to d Ei. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? 131 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Yeah, it's so interesting. So d EI is diversity, equity and inclusion. 132 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,559 We've all seen this. It's in our workplaces, it's in our classrooms. 133 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,600 It's now one of the standards that companies use when they're hiring someone, 134 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:16,919 hence the term diversity higher. But DEI is not real diversity equity and inclusion, 135 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,080 right, diversity does not. According to the Left, diversity does not 136 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,360 mean diversity of thought, as you and I might understand it. Marxists. 137 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:31,240 One of their tactics is they redefine words that people to disguise their agenda from 138 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,360 a people. So diversity is not diversity of thought. Diversity is essentially racial 139 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,879 tokenism. Supreme Court chap this Katangi Brown Jackson is a really good example of 140 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,840 the diversity in d EI. She really wasn't hired because she was qualified. 141 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,279 She was hired because she had black and she's a woman. It's insulting, 142 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,080 it's tokenism, but that's what that's what diversity and d EI is to the 143 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,759 left. Similarly, equity and inclusion. Equity is not a quality, and 144 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,200 inclusions not tolerance for other people's lifestyles. It's essentially religious persecution. That's what 145 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,360 inclusion is because Christians, for example, aren't included and equity it is not 146 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,159 equality. It's really just somebody else being the arbiter of outcome, which is 147 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,759 socialism. So d diversity, equity, and inclusion it's not a good thing, 148 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:20,000 even though we have a generally positive connotation when we hear those words diversity, 149 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:26,240 equity, an inclusion is a thought reformed tactic that was pioneered in Maoist 150 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,200 China. Maoism, as you know, is just another form of communism, 151 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,159 as is Marxism. They're very similar. It was just administered by different pirants 152 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:41,000 in different places. But the way that Mao and reengineered his society to turn 153 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,919 people against each other if he made different identities a crime. So if you 154 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,840 were, for example, a farmer, that was supposed to be a good 155 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:56,600 identity. If you were a dissident, that was a bad identity. And 156 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,639 he called these black identities and red identities, red for the ones that he 157 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,200 wanted to encourage, like communism, black for the bad ones. And he 158 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:09,639 structured to society so that if you were associated with any of the identities that 159 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,799 he had decided we're bad, you would face discrimination. And conversely, if 160 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:20,000 you were associated with any of the identities that he thought would achieve his communist 161 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,840 utopia, you were rewarded. It's it's di is the exact same thing. 162 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,639 It's it's an umbrella that has been placed over our society that is attempting to 163 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,840 re engineer it, not based on our understanding of diversity, equity, and 164 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:43,840 inclusion, but based on Marxist ideology, socialist ideology, communist ideology. Again. 165 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,000 I know I'm going to say this about every chapter because this is how 166 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,879 I felt when I was researching each of these things and writing the book. 167 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,720 But once you see it, you can't unee it. It's right there. 168 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,960 No, I totally agree. And on that class the question of class again, 169 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:07,240 do you think today's d EI promulgators and supporters are in the same way 170 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:13,159 that Mao saw himself doing any class warfare. I mean, it's such a 171 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:20,519 strange question because if you look at the BLM organizers, the official BLM organization 172 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,799 that said they were founded on Marxist principles and then stole basically donations or misappropriate 173 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:31,360 donations and built mansions or bought mansions with them, how do today's promulgators of 174 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,919 vocalism of d EI see themselves in that kind of class paradigm, if at 175 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,559 all. Well, that's the funny thing about Marxists and socialists and communists is 176 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,360 they're all, in addition to being bad people who have embraced to poisons ideology, 177 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:48,360 they're also just gigantic hypocrites, which I find to be I mean, 178 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,759 it is kind of funny. It's like Bernie Sanders with his vacation homes, 179 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,559 right, like this guy that thinks that we should spread the wealth around. 180 00:13:54,879 --> 00:14:01,320 That's the thing. They view themselves as separate from the rules. They view 181 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,600 themselves as the elite. This always happens that every nation that has embraced any 182 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,279 form of socialism or communism or Marxism, you always have this uppercrupt of people 183 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:16,279 that the rules don't apply to because they have exempted themselves. They have exempted 184 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,720 themselves. Black Lives Matter is a perfect example of this. I mean, 185 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,919 the founders of the official Black Lives Matter movement, Alicia Garza and Patrese Coolers, 186 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,759 admit that they are trained Marxists. This is not something that we are 187 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,799 observing. This is not something we are inferring. They with their own words, 188 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,679 said that we are trained Marxists. And it makes sense then that the 189 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:37,919 Black Lives Matter movement calls for the abolition of the nuclear family. They want 190 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:43,039 to also not only defund the police, but abolish prisons, which ruins. 191 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,679 It would desecrate our society, It would destroy our culture. To have a 192 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,000 society that no longer had any laws or any enforcement mechanism. The ultimate goal, 193 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,360 you have to remember this, the ultimate goal of cultural Marxism isn't dropped 194 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:00,360 to twist our culture. It is a mechanism, adds Gromsey, lay out 195 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:07,559 to destroy the cultural institution in order to topple the governmental institutions. These people 196 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:13,080 are fundamentally anti capitalists, they're fundamentally anti West, and they're fundamentally anti American. 197 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:16,360 And that's why we're seeing I mean, that's why we're seeing what we're 198 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,200 seeing right now in our country with these attacks on our children. They want 199 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,799 to end our country. They know we're starting to catch on, which is 200 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,759 why they're ratcheting up their attacks because they realize they have laid the foundation, 201 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:35,039 They have seeded our institutions planted these poisonous seeds for almost one hundred years. 202 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Now is the time that they either reap what has grown or it's over. 203 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:48,840 And they understand that. The Watchdoto Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski every day. 204 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:52,440 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects 205 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,039 your wallet. As Biden continues to to out his bidonomics plan, does any 206 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,799 of it sound familiar? How about the Soviet style five year plan? State 207 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,559 on capitalism is not capitalism? Command and control economics fails every time. It's 208 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,960 try bidonomics equals chinonomics. Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street, 209 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,759 it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out the Watchdot on Wall 210 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,600 Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apples, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. 211 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,799 I can imagine some parents, you know, maybe around where I grew 212 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,519 up outside Milwaukee. Uh, you know, hearing this, listening to a 213 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:29,840 podcast about this, reading the book and thinking to themselves. You know, 214 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,159 this idea that this is so intentional feels like a conspiracy. To me, 215 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:41,720 it can't be so, it can't be so concerted and so such a long 216 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,720 game, you know, going back all the way to to Marx, to 217 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,039 Gromsky, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but what do you what 218 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,720 do you say to sort of like the the average parent who doesn't pay too 219 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:56,120 much attention to politics, let alone these sort of esoteric conversations and just thinks, 220 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,440 what is happening to my kids? You know, I don't love what's 221 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,960 happening to my kids, but I also you know, maybe I am not 222 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:07,960 fully on board with the question of going back to Marx, etc. How 223 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,440 do you persuade a parent like that that this really is so deep and so 224 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:17,240 severe, the methods are so severe, the outcomes will be so severe. 225 00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:21,000 How do you persuade someone like that? Well, first of all, I 226 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,119 totally get that. Let me tell a little story on my husband here. 227 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:26,920 A couple of years ago, when I was first pregnant with my daughter, 228 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,759 she's two and a half now, we were discussing, as all expectant parents, 229 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,599 do you know how we're going to raise her, what we're gonna what 230 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,319 we're gonna do for schooling with her? You know, And I am a 231 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,880 proponent of homeschooling. I was homeschooled K to twelve. He went to a 232 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,480 public school, and he wanted to send her to the local public school. 233 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,079 Potentially that was his position, And this is opening position in this discussion that 234 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,960 we were having. And I was like, yeah, Snowball's chance in hades 235 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,480 if that's going to happen because of and I think those are probably my exact 236 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,119 words. I was like, because of the critic ray theory and the trans 237 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,920 ideology and a moral relatives them. And his response was, well, that 238 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,079 doesn't happen here. This is like a rural area, This is a small 239 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,400 town. We're we're we moved away from California. We don't live in California 240 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,839 anymore. You know, we're not in We're not in New York City. 241 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,559 This is not this is not in Chicago. It's not a hotbed of liberalism 242 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:19,160 where we live or radical leftism where we live. And I said to him, 243 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,680 I was like, that's that's not the situation anymore. It's not just 244 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:29,480 liberal states where this these woke ideas are in classrooms. It's everywhere. And 245 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,759 he eventually did his research and discovered that that was in fact correct, that 246 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,640 this stuff is even in the schools in our local neighborhood. And we will 247 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,240 be we will be homeschooling our child for anybody wondering the outcome of that, 248 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,759 and we're both on board with it. But I think it has been a 249 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,559 very eye opening experience in the last couple of years for parents to make that 250 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:53,480 realization. My husband was not alone in that viewpoint. It's been very difficult 251 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:56,480 to go about your regular life. You know, you feel safe or a 252 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,559 prosper nation, You were doing well, You're just you know, you're just 253 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,440 doing your routine raising your kid, and then you realize that this is in 254 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,680 your kids classroom, it's in your kids' library, it's in your kids movies 255 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,799 and shows that they're watching, and it is a very jarring thing. I 256 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:15,240 think it's human beings. Our initial reaction when we encounter something that's shocking or 257 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,680 jarring is we are either in denial or we try to make excuses for it. 258 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,079 We try to relegate it in our mind too. Oh, maybe this 259 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,279 is just an isolated incident. Maybe this isn't something that's that's completely embedded into 260 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:30,559 our schools. I know that's how I am in general. I always try 261 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,039 to say, well, is this an isolated incident? But in this case 262 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,160 it's not. I try to lay out the information in the book that equips 263 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,519 parents and non parents. This is not just a matter of protecting your own 264 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:45,319 children. This is protecting our children as a nation, as our future generation. 265 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,359 But I lay out the case pretty clearly why it is. I think 266 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,680 too, to get a little philosophical here, I mean, when I was 267 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,279 writing this book, this was something I had already already grappled with, but 268 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,440 it became even clearer to me as I was researching and writing this book. 269 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,039 This was the This was not a fun book for right let's just say that 270 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,920 it's a very it's a very dark hole. And I tried to make it 271 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,400 as light and palatable as I could, but it's I mean, what's happening 272 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,440 in our nation is not pretty, and so when you're analyzing and researching where 273 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,640 exactly that's coming from, you can't expect the answer to be to be full 274 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,880 of daisies. But the question that I had to ask myself, but I 275 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,599 think a lot of people reading this book will have to grapple with, is 276 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,880 is this just a political fight? Is this just democrats versus Republican Is this 277 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:33,799 just your same old, same old bickering, or are we facing a battle 278 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,000 between good and evil? Because if you acknowledge the reality that there is, 279 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,799 in fact a spiritual battle between good and evil, which the majority of people 280 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:48,119 in our country do believe, then it's a lot easier to understand why the 281 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:53,559 left would spend almost a century, decades and decades and decades playing the long 282 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,000 game to try to capture our institutions in order to capture our children in an 283 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:03,000 order to stage in Marxist revolution. The United States of America is exactly as 284 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,759 Ronald Reagan said, we are a beacon of light on the hill, not 285 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,000 just for liberty, which is important, not just for freedom, not just 286 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:17,119 for protection of individual rights, but for the purpose of all of those things. 287 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,640 Right. This is something that I discussed in the last three chapters of 288 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,480 the book, is what is the definition of liberty? If we're talking about 289 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,480 how we want to order our society, we have to grapple with is liberty 290 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:36,160 a moral end in and of itself or is liberty the means to something greater? 291 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,519 And I would argue the latter that liberty is the means to something greater, 292 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,599 and that's something greater is our capacity to live in virtuous life, our 293 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,920 capacity to worship God and to raise our families according to our faith. That's 294 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,039 the real purpose of liberty in our nation, and that is an existential threat 295 00:21:52,079 --> 00:22:00,960 to those who those who embrace a demonic ideology like communism. Now, and 296 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:07,279 I think having a comprehensive I think understanding of all of this informs your policy 297 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,240 prescription, which, as you said earlier, is a little bit different from 298 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,039 where Republicans want to go with it. Can you tell us more about where 299 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:18,599 you kind of depart from a lot of the talk in the Republican Party right 300 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,079 now? Yeah, and part of my book is what I would call it 301 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,160 critique of the Republican Party. But it's a critique gunt done without any animosity 302 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,720 because I used to be part of what I'm critiquing. So let me share 303 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:36,079 a story that's somewhat embarrassing because it still exists on YouTube, but I'll hope 304 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,839 that your viewers don't look it up and get a traping Again. I think 305 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:41,519 it was eight years ago. I think it was twenty sixteen at Sea Pack 306 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,319 with the first year that I was invited to speak at Deepack, and I 307 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,119 was supposed to speak like mid afternoon and probably like three or four o'clock, 308 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,920 and the headliner that day was Marco Rubio. Now remember the context here. 309 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,400 This was in the middle of the twenty sixteen Republican primary. There were so 310 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,960 many candidates, like probably the most fun Republican primary we've ever experienced, right, 311 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,359 definitely fun to watch, and a lot of the candidates were speaking at 312 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,720 Sea pat Marco Rubio was supposed to speak at noon, but he was running 313 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:07,680 late. I don't know if it was a delayed flight or traffic. He 314 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,200 was running about forty minutes late. So the organizing Seat Pack came up to 315 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,640 me since I would spending the day there even before I was scheduled to speak, 316 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,480 and they said, hey, are you prepared? Would you mind stepping 317 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,200 in and filling this spot, like can we move your speech from mid afternoon 318 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,000 to noon? And of course I was like, oh, heck yeah, 319 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,599 Like Marco Rubio had a packed room, there are more than five thousand people, 320 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,200 and all the major news networks were covering this. So I was delighted 321 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,440 by this. I go up, I give my speech open for Marco Rubio, 322 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:40,519 and then afterward I'm out in the lobby and there's journalists and news reporters 323 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,119 that are interviewing me. And there was one independent journalist who comes up to 324 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,119 me and asks me what my definition, how I would define liberty and what 325 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,440 role I think the government plays in our society. And I was kind of 326 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,920 surprised by this comment. I was like, oh, that's a good philosophical 327 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960 question, although it was totally different than all the other questions. All the 328 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,559 other questions were like who's your candidate, like Marchael Rubio or Ted Cruise or 329 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,160 or Donald Trump. And I was like, oh, a philosophical question. 330 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,759 Great. So the answer I gave to this guy was essentially just repeating the 331 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,559 Declaration of Independence that liberty, you know, exists to will or our country. 332 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,599 Our government exists to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 333 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,079 Very very very classic answer, I think. And his follow up question 334 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,160 was, okay, well, do you believe in the legalization of drugs? 335 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,480 And I was, and I was like drugs and he was talking about meth 336 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:36,119 and cocaine and fentanyl, and I was like, no, I don't. 337 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,720 And it turned out, by the way, just a little spoiler for the 338 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:42,079 story, he wasn't a journalist. He was an activist for the legalization of 339 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,039 cannabis, which makes a little bit more sense. But he said, well, 340 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,039 doesn't your position that drug legalization is wrong, or that I was against 341 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,359 the legalization of drugs? He like, doesn't that contradict your definition of liberty? 342 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:59,119 If your definition of liberty is that government should exist just to protect inherent 343 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,519 individual rights, otherwise should be kind of stay off my lawn, don't get 344 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,480 involved in what we want to do if we're not harming someone else or violating 345 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:10,400 someone else's right, doesn't your position contradict, doesn't position on drug legalization contradict 346 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,599 your definition of liberty? And I said, no, it didn't. But 347 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,640 this interaction that I had with this journalife has stuck in my head for the 348 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,319 last decade because it actually my definition of liberty that I gave it the time 349 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,839 actually does contradict my position on the legalization of hard drugs like cocaine and meth 350 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:32,559 and fentanyl. And I've thought about this so much in the last year as 351 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,440 I've been writing this book, because I knew even at the time ten years 352 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,440 ago, when I was brand new to being in this industry, I knew 353 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,720 at the time in my gut that it would be destructive for society if we 354 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,839 legalize meth, right, if we legalize fentanyl like this would be incredibly destructive 355 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,480 to our society. And yet my definition of what liberty should be in our 356 00:25:52,559 --> 00:26:00,000 role of government was wrong. And so it started that conversation started a slow 357 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,880 evolution in my mind. It's something the biggest thing in politics that have ever 358 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,039 changed my mind on is how we define liberty. And it's how I came 359 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:14,960 to the conclusion that liberty is not intended to be an end in itself. 360 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,079 If it was, then what David French once said that Drag Queen Story Hour 361 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,559 when grown men dress as sexualized versions of women in gy right in front of 362 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,279 little children, because they have the freedom to do that. It would be 363 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,039 a moral thing in and of itself. And I think we all know that 364 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,400 that's a stupid idea, that that's wrong. We all know that that's false. 365 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,599 But if liberty was an end in and of itself, then that would 366 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,720 be true. So that's a huge contradiction that I grappled with, and I 367 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:49,240 realized that liberty is not absolute freedom, that the definition of liberty is actually 368 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:56,039 societal order, meaning an ordered society or ordered liberty. That's Edmund Burke's description 369 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,759 of it, is ordered liberty, and that ordered liberty. The definition of 370 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:06,599 that is the means to something greater, and that something greater is justice and 371 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:08,839 justice. And this is where this is not just my opinion, by the 372 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,799 way, I want to back up just for a second and say this is 373 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,759 if you look at the framers of our Constitution. The framers of our Constitution 374 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:26,519 created our founding document along the lines of liberty, not as an end into 375 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,240 itself, but as the means to something greater. That's something greater defined by 376 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:37,400 James Madison in Federalis number fifty one as justice as justice. So the very 377 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,200 long answer to your question, Emily, is that we have to grapple with 378 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,599 this as a Republican Party because the Republican Party has embraced what I would consider 379 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,359 to be the more libertarian definition of liberty, that government get off my law, 380 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,160 and you don't have any Government shouldn't be involved in being the arbiter of 381 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,119 anything that's right or wrong unless it violates someone else's inherent human And I would 382 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,759 argue that the Republican Party has gotten it so wrong that it has allowed the 383 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,319 left to capture our institutions because we, as the Republican Party, have surrendered 384 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,799 morality in culture and in law, and there's really no such thing as neutrality 385 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,079 in culture and law. Either one side is going to dominate or the other 386 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:26,079 side is going to dominate. When we withdrew in the name of libertarian absolute 387 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,640 freedom, the other side simply filled the void. So now, if we 388 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,079 as conservatives want to eradicate this kind of poison from our society, we have 389 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,319 to embrace our constitutional heritage, a definition and understanding that liberty is a means 390 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:47,960 to something greater, a means to justice and justice. Edmund Burke described the 391 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,480 definition of justice as original justice, that's with a capital O and a capital 392 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,680 J, original justice, which is defined by Judaeo Christian morality. If we 393 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,680 do that, we can eradicate s Marxism from our society. But if we 394 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,680 don't, if the Republican Party continues the way that it is now, then 395 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,880 I fear for what our nation will become. Well, it's been interesting actually 396 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,279 over the last week or so, especially since Tucker Carlson interviewed Enter Taate, 397 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:22,119 to watch how you've covered that particular issue, because it's so important and there 398 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,920 have been so it is so important because there's so many people who do pay 399 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,640 attention to Andrew Taate. And I guess this is my way of asking, 400 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,680 you know, when some solutions start bubbling up on what people see as the 401 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,519 dissident kind of space, not the right necessarily, but you know, people 402 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,680 who are against the establishment, Entertain is seen as an example of that. 403 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,880 This is the guy who says he's bucking the sort of political establishment, the 404 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,640 global political establishment. But if it's obviously, as Soup pointed out, wrong 405 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,200 to kind of flock into the enter take camp and say this is the answer 406 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,920 to the problems that the global political establishment has created. To your point about 407 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640 what is right versus. On the one hand, we can say we know 408 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,359 what's wrong, but what is right is another question. And I wanted to 409 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,759 ask you about entertain as an example of how easy it is for people on 410 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,720 the right to go wrong when they're trying to meet some of these massive challenges. 411 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:23,920 Yeah, you define it really well when you say, and it's easy 412 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,799 to see what's wrong. Because what I will give Ander take credit for is 413 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:33,640 that he has diagnosed the cultural ill that our society, not just American society, 414 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,519 but Western society, suffers from, and that is our society vilifies men. 415 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,039 We demonize men. We tell men that traditional masculinity, which is the 416 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,480 desire to protect and provide and procreate. We've said that this is oppressive, 417 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,880 we've said that it's poison, and we've tried. Our society tries to neuter 418 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,839 men, we try to feminize men. This is a very bad thing for 419 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,160 individual men and for our society as a whole. And men, even if 420 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,519 they are not conservative, even if they are not religious, understand this because 421 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,640 this is just part of our nature as human beings. The nature of man 422 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:12,359 is to want to have masculine strength to protect a family, and a society 423 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,880 to provide for a wife and children to procreate. This is normal, this 424 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,160 is good. True masculinity is a gift from God. And so when Andertake 425 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,480 diagnoses the problem, he diagnoses it correctly. That there are forces in our 426 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,119 country and around the world that are attacking men. Okay, great, So 427 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,839 what does he prescribe as the antidote. Then what he prescribes is the antidote 428 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,680 is essentially poison. His own life is an example of this. He prescribes 429 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:44,079 pornography. He runs a pornography business. He prescribes materialism. He says, 430 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:48,119 truth, strength, and respect come from if you own these these expensive cars 431 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,440 of Bugatti, if you own that, then you'll be respected. The exploitation 432 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,920 of women. He dominates women, obviously, exploits them for pornography, and 433 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920 then worship of self. That you should try to be the highest on the 434 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,720 food chain. Other people should only look to you, and you should. 435 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:08,559 You should were idolize yourself. This prescription for young men is particularly poison because 436 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:14,119 it's the most self destructive behaviors that I can think of. And it's been 437 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:20,640 funny to me to watch even people that are kind of red pilled, kind 438 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,400 of on the right fall for Andrew Tate because it is an example of Okay, 439 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,720 we all recognize what is wrong, but then what is the prescription? 440 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,359 What are we going to offer? What is right? What is the alternative? 441 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,279 And the alternative is not what Andrew Tait is offering. I mean er 442 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,880 Taate is committing an immense amount of evil, someone said someone sent to me 443 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,359 on Twitter earlier. Because I've been engaging in this in the past couple of 444 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,160 days, this conversation about Andrew Tait after tuber Carlson interviewed him, I thought 445 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,960 it was necessary for us to talk about him because he's not only the most 446 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,559 googled man in the world. This interview with tuber Carlson has been viewed over 447 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,720 ninety million times. It is the most watched interview ever. I'm talking more 448 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,920 views than when Bill Clinton was interviewed after the Monica Lewinsky scandal. More more 449 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,920 views than when Diana Princess Diana was interviewed after the Charles shooting scandal. More 450 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,559 interviews, are more views than any interview in the history of television. This 451 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,440 he's an incredibly influential person. Young men are listening to him. And someone 452 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,119 on Twitter said to me, well, I can't tell you how many young 453 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,480 men I've talked to who have described the positive influence that Andrew Tait has had 454 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,079 in my life. I actually have ambition now. I go to the gym, 455 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:30,160 and I was like, Okay, going to the gym is good, 456 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:36,480 physical health is good. But is that better? Is that more right than 457 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:44,599 the destructive message of pornography, materialism, exploitation of women, and the idols 458 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,000 and idolizing yourself? And I would argue, no, it's not even close. 459 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,880 Going to the gym is nothing compared to the destructive things that Andrew Taate 460 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,359 is preaching. And again it's a good example of what the right has neglected 461 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,880 to do in the last. In the last, I don't know certainly my 462 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,480 lifetime, and I suspect much longer than that, because we don't anymore have 463 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:13,199 role models that are prominent who are actually offering not just the proper diagnosis, 464 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,559 but the proper prescription for our cultural ills, and that leads us to be 465 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:22,239 vulnerable to like garbage from Entertained. Well, my last question for you is 466 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,039 on It actually goes back to that quote I read from. I think this 467 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,199 is just from the very beginning of your book. You say, this is 468 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,119 a decisive moment for the left. It's a last chance because of their victories, 469 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,800 their time to impose Marxism on our nation is either now or never. 470 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,880 They are pulling out all the stops, and embedded in that is an interesting 471 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:45,920 sense of optimism. And in the context I think also of the beginning of 472 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,079 the book, there is a lot of optimists and talk about wins that not 473 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,159 just Republicans, not just conservatives, but sort of common sense people have one 474 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,039 over the last couple of years. And so Liz, I wanted to ask 475 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,000 you about that. You know, where does that optimism come from? Um? 476 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,880 You know a lot of people feel really pessimistic right now, especially looking 477 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,079 at the Culture War. They feel like maybe there's no way out or our 478 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:13,559 chances are slim. So why why do you feel like in this moment there 479 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:19,880 is so much momentum against Marxism to the point where it's it's a to borrow 480 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,960 a phrase, a tipping point. Actually it's a it's a of perhaps no 481 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:30,360 return for the Marxists. I feel optimistic for a couple of reasons. On 482 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,800 a personal level, I know as a practicing Christian that good ultimately triumphs in 483 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,679 the end over evil. I know that doesn't mean in every individual circumstance, 484 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,360 as we live our lives, that good triumphs over evil in isolated circumstances, 485 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,480 but in the end, good will prevail. I also feel optimistic because perhaps 486 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360 it was COVID, perhaps it was something else. I suspect it was all 487 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:59,880 of this evil becoming so prominent during COVID, especially to parents we conserve, 488 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,239 it's got a glimpse of what the depths of this evil, and it elicited 489 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,480 a gut reaction in people who might not have considered themselves to be politically active, 490 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,679 who may not have spent a lot of time thinking about the philosophy of 491 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:22,039 different Marxist ideologies. But it elicted this gut reaction of revulsion towards this evil. 492 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:28,239 And it reminded me that as human beings, we are all endowed with 493 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:34,119 the capacity to reason, and this capacity to reason is in alignment with natural 494 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,880 law. I think Republicans and Conservatives have begun to shy away from talking about 495 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,920 God and talking about religion. They've tried to make purely secular arguments for our 496 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,239 policies for a long time now, and I think it's a mistake. I 497 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,679 think that it's incredibly naive for conservatives to think that you can entirely divorce politics 498 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,280 and religion. Not that I'm advocating for a theocracy by any means, but 499 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:04,880 it's a fallacy to think that we could order society properly without acknowledging the definition 500 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,360 of rights and wrong, moral and immoral, liberty, and justice. And 501 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,679 the true definition of those words is from the Bible. It's it's from the 502 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,280 Christian heritage, it's from the Jewish heritage, it's from God. And it 503 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,559 reminded me people's gut reactions to this evil, even when they had not been 504 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,960 involved in politics, reminded me that this natural law exists in each and every 505 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,719 one of us. So you don't have to be political, you don't have 506 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,159 to like politics to fundamentally understand when something is right and when something is wrong. 507 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,800 Now that sense of right and wrong, I'll call it. Our consciences 508 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,960 can be dulled, it can be indoctrinated. That's one of the reasons why 509 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,679 the left is going after our children, because they want to try to warp 510 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,719 the minds and the souls and the spirit and the conscious conscience of our children. 511 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,280 Before that conscience have had a chance to develop properly in a well ordered 512 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,679 way. But we all have that, and knowing that encourages me because I 513 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,800 I can zoom out and take a step back from these cultural battles, and 514 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,079 I think, listen, when people are presented with the idea that there is 515 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,960 right and there is wrong, and that we as a nation owe it to 516 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,039 our children to create a society where right can thrive and wrong does not, 517 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:22,280 then people get on board with that. People understand that we see people's eyes 518 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,039 open to the reality of the political enemy that we're facing. They are now 519 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,119 willing to say, oh, our institutions have been captured, So how did 520 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,480 that happen? Who captured them? And why? The fact that they are 521 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:37,679 now well red billed, for lack of a better word, the fact that 522 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,000 they're now red billed just enough to be able to entertain those questions says to 523 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:49,840 me that the ground is tilled, the ground is fertile. For I guess 524 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,559 what I would call a counter revolution against this mark societyology. I have a 525 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,320 ton of hope. I would not do what I'm doing, spend my days 526 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,480 fighting this fight if I did not think that we could win. Hmm, 527 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,719 that's a great note to leave it on because I so rarely feel optimistic, 528 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,719 but Liz, you have brought the optimism and I really appreciate it. The 529 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,880 book is called Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxist behind the Attack on America's 530 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,920 Kids. It's gonna be on in September twenty six, but you can preorder 531 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,159 it now. Definitely pre order your copy. Liz, thank you so much 532 00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,559 for joining the show. Thank you, Emily, I appreciate it. Of 533 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,559 course you've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily 534 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,800 Joshnski, culture editor here at the Federalist. Will be back soon with more. 535 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:42,039 Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. I 536 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:52,360 heard a fame by the reason, then it faded away.