1 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Hello, welcome to this week in the Atlantic Coast Conference, the podcast for 2 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:28,199 All Sportsdiscussion dot Com. This is Jeff, one of your podcast co hosts, 3 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:33,679 and you can follow me on Twitter at Talkin' acc Sports. That's at 4 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,560 t A l k I n a c C Sports. Your podcast moderator is 5 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,719 Matthew and you can follow Matthew on Twitter at ASD Underscore, Hoky Smash. 6 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:49,000 I'm going to turn it over to Matthew now as he gets the podcast started. 7 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,840 Thank you for the good introduction, Jeff. You can also follow our 8 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:59,320 say Twitter account for All Sports Discussion dot Com. Again, that's All Sportsdiscussion 9 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:06,840 dot com. The site twitter account is at all Sports d a c C. 10 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,799 Again, that's at All Sports d a c C. Jeff, I'm 11 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:14,959 gonna ask you a real quick question. What did you buy for Black Friday? 12 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:22,319 Did you buy anything for Black Back Black Friday? I bought absolutely nothing, 13 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,959 you know, good for you, good for you, good for you, 14 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:32,599 because I did buy some things at Walmart. I mean I bought I 15 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,239 bought some pillows because they were on sale, but then half you know, 16 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,840 or I literally ordered twelve items for Walmart because I'm a Walmart Plus member, 17 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,959 right and so with Walmart prop Plus, you know, they're okay. So 18 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,359 Walmart, I don't know if people know this, and maybe maybe you maybe 19 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,680 you maybe you know this, or maybe you don't, Jeff, But they're 20 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:57,439 trying hard to compete with Amazon right now, just on a whole lot of 21 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,280 things, including like you know, Amazon Prime with their free shipping and stuff 22 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,000 like that. So Walmart's doing the same thing and targets. Target's not doing 23 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,560 the same thing, but Walmart's doing trying to do the same thing. They're 24 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:15,120 in a cutthrow battle right now. And so normally, if you order you 25 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,840 know, at least you know, several items, they try to put a 26 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,560 lot of them in the same box, you know, the same box. 27 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:28,479 But Walmart sent me twelve separate items wrapped in plastic, which was the weirdest 28 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:30,280 thing that's ever happened. And they sent it here to this condo building. 29 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:35,120 I mean literally twelve separate items, like five pillows. They were wrapped in 30 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,599 plastic. Well a couple of them were already opened, you know, the 31 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,680 pillows, so there were sanitary issues. There were sanitary issues at the pillows. 32 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,599 And then you know, they folded up a rug and cracked it, 33 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,840 so it was kind of not. I couldn't really use it, right, 34 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,680 the rubber backing was was was kind of you know, shot shots. I 35 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:59,199 can't really use it, you know. So I have that issue. And 36 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,919 then they but I did get these good rubber maid I'm talking about things I 37 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,199 get from my things I get for my condo, right, the rubber rubber 38 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:15,039 Maid, uh, rubber made plastic containers and stuff like that. You know. 39 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,199 So I did get some things from Walmart, but it was just weird 40 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:21,800 the way they scent it. I mean it's like you usually normally expect things 41 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:25,840 like that in a box and stuff like that, but they didn't do it. 42 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,719 So anyway, but I did I did buy that. I did buy 43 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:32,240 some beef jerky because I usually, you know, I think I buy it 44 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,960 like a lot of I mean, people seem like the Twitter timeline, whether 45 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:38,560 it's at my own personal or the side Twitter account. I buy a lot 46 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,840 of protein, so I bought I bought some beef jerky and that sort of 47 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,000 that that sort of thing. So I did make a I did make a 48 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,879 few purchases, you know. But but while I was doing that, of 49 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:54,159 course, I was watching some acc hoops over the weekend. Jeff so I 50 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:59,080 mean, before we get into the week that was here for for ACC football, 51 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,000 I want to talk some ACC hoops a little bit. I mean, 52 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,240 who, who have you seen so far? It's a small sample size, 53 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,039 of course, but what have you seen any team that's been really dominating so 54 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:18,480 far for Acco? Some really strong performances in the Lake Jeff, I don't 55 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,560 know if I if I've seen anyone just you know, blow me away when 56 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,680 you watch Duke play. I mean, I think they're the most talented team 57 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:35,439 in the in the ACC. But the loss to Arizona a couple of weeks 58 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,800 ago, you know, leaves it open. You know what they have to 59 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,000 improve on and they got to get tough for any interior. But they're obviously 60 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,360 really talented. They do have a win over over Michigan State, which is 61 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,439 a good win. But we're gonna find out more about them this week. 62 00:04:55,439 --> 00:05:00,879 I think they play Arkansas and the ACC SEC challenge. I think what you've 63 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:10,279 seen is that there's been yet for an elite team to really step up in 64 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,920 the conferences in the conference, but that there are a lot of there's much 65 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:17,600 more depth than there was last year. I think Louisville is a much improved 66 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:20,040 team. They're not a great team, don't get me wrong, but from 67 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,560 what they were last year. I mean, they came within a bucket of 68 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,439 beating Texas the other day, and really it took a great shot by Texas 69 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:32,839 with no time on the clock to beat them, and that that kind of 70 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:36,120 just opened you know, if that didn't open your eyes that Louisville is a 71 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,439 better team than they were last year, I don't, I don't know what 72 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:47,439 will. You saw North Carolina beat Arkansas. You saw Virginia Tech beat Iowa 73 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:53,519 State. This week, Florida State beat a rank Colorado team, So so 74 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,600 you're seeing science. I think Miami's probably been the most consistent team in the 75 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,480 ACC and they got to play Kentucky this week, So I think you're seeing 76 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:09,000 improved depth depth in the league. You won't get they won't get hammered like 77 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:14,199 they did last year based on the on the computer metrics with teams you know, 78 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,439 for example, like Louisville last year that that had net rankings in the 79 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,519 three hundreds. In Florida State was in the two hundreds for a good portion 80 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,759 of the year. Uh that the conference, you know, is picking up 81 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:31,240 some quality wins here and there. But but also, no team is just 82 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:35,560 truly you know, jumped out at you. Probably maybe Miami has been the 83 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,279 been the closest. And if they win, if they went in rupp Arena 84 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,759 this week, that that would really that would really open open some eyes. 85 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,079 Okay, and I agree with pretty much everything you said, Jeff. I'm 86 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:57,000 gonna just say something about Louisville. Do you know today that they went to 87 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,360 overtime with a team, Jeff, This is really, I mean, this 88 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:04,360 is key here. New Mexico State had so many files. They had four 89 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:09,720 guys four they were playing with four players left, and they went to overtime 90 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,639 with Louisville today. Yeah, I think I saw you when you posted that 91 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,879 on on on Twitter. And I'm not sure if they would have been able 92 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,120 to have won that game at this time last year. Well you know what 93 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,560 though, I mean, I they have they have a long way to go, 94 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:32,279 and they're they're at the point where I think, Jeff, where they're 95 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:35,240 doing. I mean, if they if they continue losing, which I think 96 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,439 they will, I don't think there. I honestly don't think they're gonna stun 97 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,720 too many people in conference. Jeff. I mean, unless the threes aren't 98 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,160 falling for a team some night that goes in that goes in there, or 99 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,639 something like that. They aren't gonna stun too many people. They're gonna have 100 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,199 a huge decision there to make at the end of the at the end of 101 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,600 the season in Louisville. I think that's my personal opinion, because once you 102 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:01,560 start getting to a point where you have fan apathy, you get in trouble. 103 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,920 I remember, you know who, you know who. Kenny Payne kind 104 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,120 of reminds me of that situation. Jevin kind of reminds me of James Johnson. 105 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,399 Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember that. 106 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,040 And Louisville is going to be kind of an interesting case because they were so 107 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,920 bad last year. I mean truly one of the you know, on a 108 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,480 historical level, one of the worst teams we've ever seen in the accuh. 109 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,439 And they are better this year. They're an improved team, but like you 110 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:33,000 said, I still think they're probably going to be one of the bottom three 111 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,960 or four teams in the ACC. They're gonna lose a lot of games, 112 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,440 you know, probably fifteen or twenty, and and then how do you look 113 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,399 at it? If you're Louisville, You're gonna look at it like, well 114 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,480 they did get better and give pain another chance or just going to cut the 115 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,960 court on the whole thing. It's a big decision. And I you know, 116 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,519 I We're gonna have to get one of our Louisville friends on the podcast 117 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,600 in the new year, Jeff, because I want to find out who they're 118 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:05,080 still paying, you know what I mean? Who are they still paying? 119 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,639 Right? I mean that's the that's that's the big thing. Now, I'll 120 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:13,000 tell you quickly. I did watch Virginia Tech several times, right, they 121 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,960 and they they look like a team that's still kind of trying to find its 122 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,519 defensive mission with a player that they thought they were going to have in the 123 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,039 rotation. Right, You've got players that are adjusting to new roles and things 124 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,039 like that. I'm trying to be patient when I watch when I watched the 125 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,480 Hokies and stuff like that, because it didn't go good against South Carolina, 126 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,159 but there are people that are telling me that South Carolina is going to be 127 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,360 better than they were. It went better against Iowa State, the first half 128 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,320 was actually pretty decent against Florida A and M. But you're not gonna make 129 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,960 you, you know, if you if you're shooting like ten percent from three 130 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,399 point land, you're not going to beat anybody. And that was the problem 131 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,000 today for Virginia Tech that once you start missing these hoops right then the other 132 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,399 I mean, fam use a good team, but you know the Florida A 133 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:00,879 and m is good at University is a good team. They I mean, 134 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:05,200 they're legit, They're there's somebody I think they could easily make this second or 135 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:07,399 second weekend. They could, they could go to the Final eighty. They 136 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,600 have the capability to go a long way this year because they are very tall 137 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,279 at every position, they can hit threes, they can play defense. I 138 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,639 mean, they're they're they're legit. They they're legit. Maybe, Jeff, 139 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,480 I want to say this there it's either of them are on Miami. That's 140 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,279 the best team in the state a state of Florida. And you know that 141 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,840 was a good early season test for Virginia Tech to play, you know, 142 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,919 competition like this. I mean, I want to go into this because let's 143 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,960 run through this. Just jet ref Jeff, just real quickly. Here the 144 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,279 a c c SEC Men's Basketball Challenge. I want to go through and have 145 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,080 you pick these games. And this is going to be sort of a lightning 146 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,279 ground game, a lightning round segment here for us. The twenty eighth of 147 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,919 November. The twenty eighth of November, LSU goes to Syracuse. Who do 148 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:05,480 you got? I think Syracuse Syracuse can win that game. I mean l 149 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,240 s U has already lost a couple of times this year. Uh, Syracuse 150 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,960 has been a little bit on an evening but uneven. But you get that 151 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,559 game at home. I like, I like Syracuse in that game. Miss 152 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,879 I mean, I know, I know Pittsburgh, you know, really really 153 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:31,159 struggled in that game against I think it was Florida in the preseason n I 154 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,919 T. But you know, other other than that, they they've played pretty 155 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,279 well. They got a Power five win over Oregon State. Yeah, Oregon 156 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,639 State is not very good, but but uh, Pittsburgh dominated that game. 157 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:50,759 And Missouri they got a couple of losses out of out of the gate at 158 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:54,120 one point loss to Chad Jackson State Memphis is pretty good and that that loss. 159 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:01,080 But I like Pittsburgh in that game. Mississippi State. Georgia Tech. 160 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:09,759 Honestly, I think the game's at Georgia Tech. But Georgia Tech has absolutely 161 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:16,320 no interior defense and they're gonna have to probably shoot better than forty from three 162 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,879 in that game. They got a lot of issues on the defensive side of 163 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:26,440 the ball early in the season. Cincinnati absolutely ran them off the court. 164 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,480 I think Mississippi State wins that game. Notre Dame, it's South Carolina. 165 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,279 That should be an interesting matchup. Yeah, I think this is one of 166 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:43,039 those toss up type type games. You know. South Carolina was picked by 167 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:48,919 most people to be last in the SEC. I think Notre Dames they've been 168 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,639 kind of all over the place early this year. They already have a win 169 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,879 over Oklahoma State, but have lost to Western Carolina. I think on the 170 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,840 road in a toss up game, I still favor the South Carolina. Okay, 171 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,320 so what do we got here? We got basically two and two here. 172 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,759 That's what I'm hearing so far. Miami at Kentucky. I love this 173 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:20,759 matchup that this is gonna be probably one of the premier games of the of 174 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:26,720 the tournament. Miami seems to have not missed a beat with their back court 175 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,440 and Jim laier Inega. Kentucky is is super talented as usual, but this 176 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,600 year's team can actually shoot, and I think Kentucky's a pretty legitimate team this 177 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:43,840 year, not not overrated as they usually are going into Rupper. If that 178 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:46,879 game was in Miami, I would definitely favor the Canes, But I think 179 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,279 going into rupp Arena is too tall of a task even for a really good 180 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:56,600 team like Miami. So I think Kentucky wins will be taking Miami to win 181 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,879 that game. Jeff, there you go. I like it. I feel 182 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:07,039 that they're disciplined and that they're smart and that they're not going to beat themselves 183 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,159 when they're going to bathe Kentucky into some bad moves, you know what I 184 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,279 mean. I mean, that's what I think. Get You got guys on 185 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,080 that team that are like I feel like, have been there since I since 186 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,799 I started, since I started graduate school, you know what I mean? 187 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:31,720 The first time now I'm kidding. Okay, NC State at old mess uh. 188 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:37,000 NC State actually has played pretty well to open the year. It was 189 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:39,720 weird. I thought they were going to win the tournament out in Vegas. 190 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:45,240 They were playing a really rugged BYU team and I leave for like ten minutes 191 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:50,320 and BYU goes on a seventeen to three run. Ole Miss hasn't hasn't played 192 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,799 anybody yet. If there's an early upset, or I feel like could be 193 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,519 an upset. I think NC State goes into Ole Miss and pulls that off. 194 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:05,120 Very good sir. Clemson at Alabama this is This one won't quite get 195 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,200 the notoriety of some of the other games, but this is a really, 196 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:16,480 really good matchup. Clemson is uh, this is This could potentially be Brad 197 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:22,240 Burnell's best team, or at least the best one he's had since his Sweet 198 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:28,559 sixteen team. They can score from multiple positions. PJ. Hall is a 199 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,759 future pro. They've got experience in the backcourt with with Hunter and and the 200 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:39,879 transfer from Syracuse. Oh my gosh, his name just slipped my mind. 201 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,039 Uh, I can't believe that. I'm gonna have to look that up really 202 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,200 quick. The all Ac Gerard Joe Gerard. Yeah, he's he's just now 203 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,320 getting comfortable in the offense. And this is another one that I feel like 204 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:58,679 it was was in Clemson or at a neutral site, I would have I 205 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:06,039 would favor Clemson, but but Alabama They've they've accumulated some talent over the last 206 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:11,200 few years. NATO's they they're well coached on the road. This is a 207 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,440 top twenty five caliber matchup. This is something you could see, you know, 208 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,559 in the NCAA tournament for sure. On the road, though, I 209 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,000 have to go with in a toss up game with the home team in Alabama, 210 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:32,519 Tennessee and North Carolina. Yeah, this is this is a really this 211 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:37,639 is a really good matchup. Tennessee. They've already lost a couple of times 212 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:42,120 this year, but they're they're a legit top twenty team. I mean, 213 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:49,279 they're two losses were we're single we're single digit games to Kansas and and Purdue. 214 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,879 Purdue is like the one actual team in the Big Ten that I think 215 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,080 is could be pretty good. We'll see how they do in March. But 216 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:03,440 right now, Purdue, you know, is a really really good uh basketball 217 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:10,559 team. In North Carolina, you know had villain. Villanova is is also 218 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:12,880 a really good team, and North Carolina went to overtime with them, then 219 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,640 they came back and played really well against Arkansas. I'm gonna stick with what 220 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,319 I've been doing here and in toss up games, I'm gonna lean to the 221 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,720 home team, and that means I'm going with North Carolina here, Okay, 222 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:30,440 And so this next pick, this next game here is kind of give you 223 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,720 gonna give you a little history. Somebody who I think could actually beat Purdue 224 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 on a neutral court in March. Who's on the road at Virginia. And 225 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:42,200 I'm telling you this, Hey, I think Texas C and M. Testas 226 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,680 C and M is legit. I mean, they're good. They're a good 227 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,920 team. Some people say the Buzz is the best coach, perhaps not to 228 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:55,440 get to a Final four, but they go to Virginia and he's very familiar 229 00:17:55,519 --> 00:18:00,079 with Virginia and you know, obviously Charlots feel's a tough place to play. 230 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,200 But but Buzz has found ways to win against Tony Bennett, the Tony Bennett 231 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,759 defenses and things like that, and I think he has he has a pretty 232 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:11,920 good roster, and like I said, this is the kind of team that 233 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:17,400 could get for do a first round exit in March, just because of the 234 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,400 way they are, the way they play. So I'm curious in your thoughts 235 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,839 there with Texas A and M at Virginia, which I think will be one 236 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:30,480 of the best the challenges. Yeah, I think so too. Virginia has 237 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:36,680 gotten off to a pretty pretty solid start to the year. I think they 238 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,319 only have the one loss to to Wisconsin if I'm remembering right, and They've 239 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,759 also beat Florida early in the season, which is going to be a quality 240 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,079 win by the end of the year. Texas A and M. You know. 241 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:55,319 Also, you know, played that Florida Atlantic team that beat Virginia Tech 242 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,599 today, and that's that's a legitimate team final four last year, you know, 243 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,599 you know, with with Budds going back, I think that there's gonna 244 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:08,200 be some emotion in that game. And again I'm gonna you know, I 245 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,920 feel like this is a somewhat of a toss up game, so also going 246 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:18,839 with Virginia in this one too. Fair enough, fair enough Florida Wake Forest. 247 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,759 I don't like the way Wake Wake Forest has has played most of the 248 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,240 year. They have they've they're only three and three. They fallen behind big 249 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:38,160 against some, you know, really lesser opponents earlier, the first game of 250 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,279 the year, they were behind by twenty to elon. They have been they 251 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:47,759 have been competitive, but I feel like Florida's probably a little bit too athletic 252 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:51,160 for them, And and that's one where I'm gonna go with the road team 253 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:56,799 and and take Florida over Wake for Okay, how about Duke at Arkansas should 254 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,799 also be a pretty good game, But I feel I myself pretty good about 255 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,279 Duke going in there to Arkansas. Yeah, I do, I agree. 256 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:14,319 I agree with you there. Arkansas has already lost three times. They've already 257 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,279 lost three times this year, and one of those included a home loss to 258 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:26,279 UNC Greensboro at home where you know, surprisingly Bringensborough dominated that game. I 259 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,599 mean they were head by double digits most of that second half. They didn't 260 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:34,759 play well in that game. They struggled with Stanford, went to two overtimes. 261 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:41,319 There, played Memphis North Carolina beat him by fifteen and really just ran 262 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,720 away with him. Arkansas is a team that you will probably get better as 263 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:53,079 the season progresses, but right now they're not playing well. Duke is more 264 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,440 talented than than they are, and if they can get a little bit of 265 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,680 that, and they've already played some tough opponents, is like we talked about 266 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,319 earlier with Arizona, Michigan State, I think they'll be ready for for Arkansas. 267 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,319 I like Duke in that one. Virginia Tech at Auburn, Gosh, 268 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,279 Virginia Tech's just had a a hillatious road right in a row. Yeah, 269 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:29,400 this Virginia Tech is gonna if they shoot anywhere like they did today. They 270 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,640 got no chance in my opinion at Auburn. Auburn at one of those typical 271 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:38,720 SEC teams, not very disciplined, but really athletic. They got a lot 272 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:42,880 of those you know six five sixty six sixty seven wing guys that you know 273 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,039 can just jump out of the gym. That's not a good matchup for Virginia 274 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,400 Tech. In my opinion, It's hard to see Virginia Tech coming out of 275 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,440 there with a win unless they shoot out of their minds. They probably will 276 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,880 shoot out of their minds. I have a feeling that Auburn will be Undisi 277 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,880 Blenn, but they're gonna have a difficult time rebounding. And then I figure, 278 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,319 like you got Georgia, then you've got Iowa State, then you've got 279 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:14,039 fat you know, but you got you got you got the flor you know, 280 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,839 Florida team here Atlantic right in a row, and then you're going into 281 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Auburn. I mean you've got to be you got to be tired out with 282 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,759 that rotation that you have. I mean, you played some several difficult opponents 283 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:29,319 in a row. Yeah, there's no question Virginia Tech will be battle tested. 284 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,279 I mean it's by the acc time they're gonna be ready to go. 285 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,279 But I don't. Yeah, I like, you don't think Auburn is a 286 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,920 good matchup. I think that. I think Auburn it actually is loaded and 287 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,880 is under quite frankly, is underrated in the SEC. And I think they're 288 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,200 gonna go a lot farther than the SEC in the SEC than people think. 289 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,680 And I think they might actually be a second weekend team, Jeff, I 290 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,160 actually think that about Auburn. I think they could be could end up being 291 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,519 that good. Uh, let's go to the next game here, Georgia at 292 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:03,880 Florida State. Florida is another team in the a c C that's much much 293 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:11,640 improved over last year. You know, they lost at Florida, but you 294 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,839 know, came back this week and one of the surprise results, you know, 295 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,839 one that one won their preseason tournament, you know, knocking off a 296 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,079 pretty quality Colorado team in overtime. And then this is starting to look a 297 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,480 little bit like your typical Leonard Hamilton team, you know, can defend their 298 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:33,880 long, their athletic Yeah. I like the Knowles in this one over Georgia. 299 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,839 Very good. Let's go to the last one, Boston College at Vanderbilt. 300 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,519 Yeah, Vanderbilt is not a good basketball team, but I don't think 301 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,519 Boston Colleges is all that good either. So this this is gonna kind of 302 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:56,279 be a battle of attrition, uh in in this game. Uh you know, 303 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:03,359 I'm gonna go ahead and and and say that Boston College is sneaks out 304 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,400 one of the under the radar upsets uh in this in this game. But 305 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,599 this is going to be kind of a battle of two teams I think are 306 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:14,880 going to finish towards the bottom of their conference. You know, But I 307 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,519 but I think you're right. I think they could sneak that one. I 308 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:22,279 mean every year there seems to be an under the radar one that that gets 309 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,440 you know, that somebody sneaks that nobody expects. You remember a few years 310 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,839 back when minnesot when when Virginia Tech went in to win at Michigan. Yes, 311 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,000 there's always something that happens that you don't expect in the in these in 312 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,200 these in these matchups, and I think this, I think I think I'm 313 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,079 with you. I think this is the one. Jeff. Let's go to 314 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:52,680 football. We're going to talk about ACC football Week thirteen. Who is your 315 00:24:52,759 --> 00:25:00,640 most disappointing ACC football Team of Week three, Jeff Man. We got some 316 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,559 choices there. We were talking about this on Twitter. I think there was 317 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,720 there was a one A, one B and then also another team that disappointed 318 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,759 me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna start with Virginia in 319 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:22,640 this one. You know, you're at home, You've you've been competitive most 320 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,279 of the season, and I mean they were an absolute no show against Virginia 321 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,160 Tech. Uh, I mean they were just blown off the field from the 322 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:41,440 moment that game started. It's very uncharacteristic of Virginia Tech this year to be 323 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,799 you know, I mean you got to give Virginia Tech credit obviously, of 324 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,240 course they just you know, they just came out and, like you've been 325 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,079 saying, met the moment, got themselves Bowl eligible. But you know where 326 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,599 where Virginia could have went into the season with a little bit of off season, 327 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,319 with a little bit of optimism and a feeling like, hey, we 328 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,519 were in most of their games that wasn't even competitive. It's really surprising not 329 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:10,319 to see, I would say, Virginia even compete in that game. So 330 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:17,359 I'm with you, I'll say this, I always expect I guess here's the 331 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,319 maroon right, maroon orange, and me, I always expect Virginia Tech to 332 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,880 beat Virginia. I Ah, no matter what it is, I always expect 333 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,640 it. In the last twenty years, I've mostly been right. I've mostly 334 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720 been right. The other thing I'd say, too, is that I mean, 335 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,720 I don't know. I know I missed. I didn't get a chance 336 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,599 to watch North Carolina and Virginia. I know you got a chance to watch 337 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,640 that. I didn't get a chance to watch that game. But I knew 338 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,839 that all year long. The Virginia's offensive line has pretty been It's been pretty 339 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,799 weak years most year long, and they've just had to try and find ways 340 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,119 to speed up the game and outscre score people and hope that other teams get 341 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,960 turnovers and things like that, you know, and that hasn't even been that 342 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,720 good for that hasn't even been that good for Virginia. I mean, if 343 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,920 I'm going for disappointing teams, and I know we talked about this, man, 344 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,319 I even put a question in that they're going to talk about on the 345 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,279 RTD Richmond Times. Samile said RTD Richmond Times Dispatch podcasts. I asked this 346 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,960 question to Mike Barber. I said, you're going to take questions for your 347 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,680 show. They said, how is it? How many years has been Jeff? 348 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,799 How many years has back Brown been in North Carolina? Do we know? 349 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,200 What? Can you know? Is it six? Seven eight? Somewhere 350 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359 in there? It's been a long time now. Yeah, it's getting up 351 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480 there now a little bit. We're in the you know, five to sixth 352 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:41,160 year of his tenure. He should have a defense by now, and especially 353 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,519 with the players that he's been stealing from Virginia Tech out of the seven five 354 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,200 seven, right, I mean, obviously, you know, And I talked 355 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,839 about this with a couple of other people on Twitter. I said, you 356 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,839 know, the the dre Blie experiment did not work out for coaching. Qrnerbacks. 357 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,160 Sure he could bring people in the room and bring them to North Carolina, 358 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,799 but that was it. He couldn't coach them to save his life. 359 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:11,319 And you know, so I just wonder where the loyalty to gene Chi is 360 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,880 it? Right? What I asked? I asked Mike that I said, 361 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,680 it seems like like I use the example of like Jeff, I used the 362 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:27,000 example of like Elon Musk's self driving car. Right, it goes well for 363 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:34,000 like six games, and all of a sudden there's a zero zero day exploit 364 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:38,039 in the software and hackers get into it, and he drives it off the 365 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,359 cliff, you know what I mean sort of thing, and it mostly has 366 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,240 to do with defense, and I'm wondering how they possibly can't have one after 367 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,480 that many years in the system. I mean, people people kind of obviously 368 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,920 tag make around for his for his you know, lack of defense at Texas, 369 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,440 and I think that that's true during the latter part of his year, 370 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,799 latter part of his years, he perhaps had one of the best players in 371 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,599 college football when he won his national championship down there. But you know, 372 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,480 that's the deal. That's I mean, I'm i a It's like a swoop 373 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,480 down to is a swoop off the cliff and you're just in it. And 374 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:23,000 I have all these drowning gifts on Twitter and the same kind I use when 375 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,960 you're in fourth and one and you're in the shot gun. That's what North 376 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Carolina has been like, and it's been the defense. It's been just a 377 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,799 drastic failure for them. You could go, you go into that North Carolina 378 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:40,400 State game. You know who's gonna be the tougher tougher team getting on the 379 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,359 field, and it's sure as heck isn't the team for North Carolina. You 380 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,240 know, I've talked to a few fans who've said that they're tired of it 381 00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,079 and they want them all to go. But I mean, I think mac 382 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,480 Brown's the kind of guy. I mean, he's been there for obviously, 383 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,039 he's been a you know, had a first time tenure there. It's one 384 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,240 of those graceful exit things that you see with like you would with Frank you 385 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,799 know, like you would with Frank Biemer. They were friends and things like 386 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,720 that, and it's one of those graceful Eke Smit things. But you know, 387 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,720 I'm curious send your thoughts on that, because I'm harder on him for 388 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 because of how long he's been there and how I keep seeing him drive off 389 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,480 the cliff. Jeff, Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. You know, 390 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,640 North Carolina was one of the most disappointing teams in the ACC in the 391 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,079 second half of the season, and you thought they that the defense was going 392 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,200 to at least be functional this year. You know, when they started the 393 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,079 season against South Carolina and had those seven or eight sacks, you know, 394 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,799 really slowed down that South Carolina team early in the season with Spencer Radler, 395 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,359 and the defense just kept gradually getting worse and worse until they may not have 396 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,200 been statistically the worst defense in the conference, but they you know, they 397 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,880 played like it, and they looked like the worst coach defense in the conference. 398 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,039 It wasn't a talent issue. I really don't think it was that big 399 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,680 of a talent issue on defense. I think there were depth issues and I 400 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:14,200 think you know, with Chisi, you would watch North Carolina and I mean 401 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,319 the angles that they would take, they would be out of position, Receivers 402 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:22,839 would run all over the place. You know, there'd be these gaping holes 403 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,319 everywhere. And NC State, for all the great work they've done the last 404 00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,119 five games, winning five in a row, I mean, they don't have 405 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,359 a ton of offensive you know, playmaking ability, and they put up thirty 406 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:41,200 nine points on North Carolina. And I mean, I definitely agree with North 407 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,359 Carolina being up there as one of the dis you know, as the disappointing 408 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:51,680 teams given that their talent, what their talent level was. And I'm gonna 409 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,799 throw out, you know, the other disappointing team this week and just give 410 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,880 a blurb because I don't put them right up there with Virginia North Carolina, 411 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:07,640 but really disappointing effort out of Louisville. You know, ten and one going 412 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,880 into the game against a bad Kentucky team. You know, make no mistake, 413 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,240 Kentucky's a bad football team. Six and five going in, I mean, 414 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,440 really a moment to have a magical season and the game that they were 415 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,240 in control of, and they just had special teams breakdowns, defensive breakdowns in 416 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:30,920 the second half. I mean, made a very average offense. You know, 417 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,400 it looked like the Kansas City Chiefs in the second half. And you 418 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960 know, they can still win the ACC. You know, they could beat 419 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:44,480 Florida State, win the ACC, maybe even a BCS but not a BZS. 420 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,039 But you know, a New Year six game could still happen. But 421 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,920 they're always going to have that Kentucky loss hanging over them, and in a 422 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,359 game that they really should have won. I was really disappointed in Louisville, 423 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,440 particularly the second half, with all the breakdowns that they were having in that 424 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:07,119 game. Fair enough, all good points, all good points, Jeff, 425 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,079 Jeff, We're going to the conference championship games here, and I'm gonna have 426 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,319 you. I'm gonna have you we didn't got we didn't get our impressive team 427 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,960 of the week. Oh you're right. I almost forgot about that. Yeah 428 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,519 yeah, oh yeah, I was forgot about that. Go ahead give us 429 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:27,480 that. Thanks for the reminder. Man. You know, I'm gonna I'm 430 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:31,200 gonna hit one. I'm gonna hit a couple quick ones here. I'm gonna 431 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,480 let you take Virginia Tech. Super impressed with the way they came out against 432 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:44,680 Virginia. Really liked the way NC State has played the second half of the 433 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,400 season. I mean, I'm not so sure they might not be the second 434 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,519 best team in the conference right now, you know, having MJ. Morris, 435 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,599 you know, call it kind of quits on the season for whatever's personal 436 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,039 reasons and having to go back to Brennan Armstrong and NC State became the team 437 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,640 we thought they were capable of. And and you know, there's not many 438 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,960 nine and three teams out there in the country that are playing better right now 439 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:13,239 than than NC State. And you know, a little bit of a shout 440 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,280 out to Florida State, you know, having to go into the swamp with 441 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:22,280 Tate Rodamacker at quarterback, falling behind twelve oho to Florida and really looking like 442 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,159 they might be overwhelmed, you know by the moment playing in that environment, 443 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960 and then Florida State, you know, really dominates and controls the second half 444 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,719 of that game, wins kind of wins, going away with great defense, 445 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,000 and you know, they could have led a truly wonderful, you know season 446 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,320 slip away down there in Florida. But you know, they showed a lot 447 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,920 of guts, a lot of heart, I think, going into too Florida 448 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,800 and winning that game, and we know Florida's not great. I'm not trying 449 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,559 to say that, but you know, you went in the swamp, you 450 00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:59,880 know, in front of that front of that crowd, after falling behind with 451 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,079 your backup quarterback and sometimes third changed quarterback because he got knocked out for a 452 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,119 little while, and you still come out of there with a victory and a 453 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:13,480 victory that where you're going away in the fourth quarter and that that's pretty impressive 454 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,679 to me. Definitely. Now I'll say these words about Virginia Tech. I 455 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,079 did not think that Virginia Tech was gonna blow the doors off of Virginia like 456 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:28,639 that. I'm shocked at that. That was the most points by either team, 457 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:36,880 Jeff in the history of the Commonwealth Cup. Ever, and I didn't 458 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,519 think that Virginia Tech would get five hundred yards of offense. And I didn't 459 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,159 think that Virginia Tech. I mean, Virginia Tech had multiple sacks that day. 460 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,559 And Jeff, do you know that Virginia Tech is leading the acc and 461 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:59,760 quarterback sacks? I didn't know that, yes, thirty eight. I mean, 462 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,800 in some cases, I felt like this year was a it was kind 463 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,559 of a return to defenses of old in certain games. Now certainly is there's 464 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,519 the unbalanced schedule, right that Virginia Tech didn't play a couple of couple of 465 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,760 teams this year, but they still got to they still got to you know 466 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,239 what they got. They got sacks in every game, and they still got 467 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,199 to NC State's quarterback. They still got you know, I always wonder, 468 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,639 I'm telling you, man, I'm always I always wonder if Drones would have 469 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,239 started the entire year, how many more wins Virginia Tech would have had if 470 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,039 you would have started the entire year. But we know going in the next 471 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,599 year, the drones is going to be the starter for sure, you know, 472 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,320 And so you know they have a majority of the line, the defensive 473 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,000 line coming back next year, the corners can come back, Jeff. I 474 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,599 mean, this is going to be a pretty deep team. It's you know, 475 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,000 they'll have to make a couple additions to the defensive line. They'll make 476 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:59,920 it have to. You know, they look like the offensive line looks like 477 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,079 it's starting to come together. But they probably could go to the portal for 478 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:07,280 a couple of players. But they have the skilled players that they need. 479 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,920 I mean, next year could be good. You know, it could be 480 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,559 a good season for Virginia Tech. So I hold some hopeful optimism. But 481 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,199 I mean, they played as well as I've seen Virginia Tech play in a 482 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,199 long time. I think they probably sands a turnover, Jeff. They probably 483 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:27,239 could have come away with seven more points in that game. They probably could 484 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,199 have had sixty two points, but they fumbled, not fumbled. Yeah, 485 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,519 if they fumbled close to the end zone and within within the five yard line, 486 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,079 which stopped to drive, but they probably could have had seven more points. 487 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,360 I mean, I guess it. You've got these lessons, right. 488 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,199 Tony Elliott talked about lessons, so I thought it was kind of funny, 489 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:45,840 and a couple of players say that he said, you know, it was 490 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,679 a teachable moment for a few players to come out and you know, wrap 491 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,719 their mouthfots saying that they're going to win, right, But you know, 492 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,639 and perhaps nobody will do that next year, because I'm sure that was all 493 00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:00,239 over the bulletin board in Blacksburg, and I'm sure that's all they heard the 494 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,840 entire the entire week, you know. So anyway, it was fun to 495 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,119 watch. They exceeded my you know, I think with two teams, right, 496 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:14,840 Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech were picked near the bottom of the ACC both 497 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,519 Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech are are going to be in Tier two bowls if 498 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:23,840 I'm not mistaken. Jeff, Yeah, they should. I think what did 499 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:30,480 the final standings? I think had Georgia Tech with Virginia Tech. So both, 500 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,440 yes, both teams could I think be in Tier two bowls. So 501 00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,360 for example, I don't think Virginia Tech or Georgia Tech will be in the 502 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,599 Military Bowl. Jeff, I mean they, I mean the Military Bowl could 503 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,880 have an option for him, but I don't think they'll be up here in 504 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,519 d C. And I'll you know, I'm sure the organizers of the Military 505 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,480 Bowl would love to have Virginia Tech or Georgia Tech, you know, because 506 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,920 of you know, obviously, Georgia Tech has a prior coach that's affiliated with 507 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,559 the Naval Academy and Virginia Tech. This is where the largest alumni chapter is. 508 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,800 I'm sure they'd love to have people up here, and that's always you 509 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840 know, Annapolis is a great place. But Tier two Bowl would put Virginia 510 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,480 Tech in the Duke Baio Bowl, Duke Mayo, you know, that's what 511 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:19,039 you know, Virginia Tech is eligible for that, but you know, and 512 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,000 they know that Virginia Tech will fill the seats there. I suspect, Jeff, 513 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,800 I'm you know, you can probably speak for the Georgia Tech alumni fan 514 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,519 base, but I'm sure some of your alumni fan base would love to see 515 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:39,840 a ball game in Uh yeah, definitely. Most of the projections have Georgia 516 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,880 Tech going to the Pinstripe Bold to play either either Rutgers or Northwestern. So 517 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,920 we'll see if it really turns out that way. So they wouldn't for I 518 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480 couldn't. I can't remember, so it wouldn't be I can't remember the tie 519 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,880 in because I haven't seen it, but Champs Sports not part of her maybe 520 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,800 some whatever I there's maybe there's some other name now instead of that one. 521 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,239 But is there is there a Florida tie in before or after Christmas? Yeah, 522 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:15,360 the former Champs Bowl. I think that's the Cheeses Bowl now. And 523 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:20,079 you know we also got Notre Dame in the mix for the for the bowl 524 00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:27,159 agreements as well with the a c C. You know, you've got NC 525 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,159 State UH in that mix as well. And I've seen some projections of Clemson 526 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,719 in the Gator Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, you know, matching up with 527 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,320 a DJ in Oregon State again, that would be interesting. So I think 528 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,559 there's still quite a few things that can happen, especially with Florida State and 529 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:52,400 Louisville. If Florida State you know, beats Louisville, winds the ACC and 530 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,639 goes to the playoff, Louisville goes to the Orange Bowl. If louis Will 531 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:01,880 wins that game, you know, then that probably drops Florida State UH down 532 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,840 from the Orange Bowl where they're having to hope for an at large bid to 533 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,800 a New Year six. So still still a lot that can that can happen 534 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,920 here with with where the teams end up, definitely, I just saw one 535 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:20,760 with Georgia Tech too in uh in the Mail Bowl, which would be probably 536 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,840 a new place for Georgia Tech. Yes, yeah, I'm not aware they've 537 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,440 had And if they do end up in Charlotte, that would be one that 538 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480 I would take in. That's just you know, a ninety minute drive for 539 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,840 me. That would be That would be That would be a good That would 540 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960 be a good one. So, you know, New York, New York, 541 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,719 any of those would be cool. I mean, you get the exposure 542 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,119 of being in New York, you know, and that you know, Virginia 543 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,760 Tech was up there before you get you know, getting the exposure of being 544 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,119 up and there would be really cool. So I I think I think that 545 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,360 would be I think that would be fun. That would be fun to see. 546 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,039 What is it? It would be fun to see Georgia Tech and the 547 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,119 pop Tarts Bowl. That's the name of it now, the pop Tarts Bull, 548 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,400 the Bob Turrets Bull. I like that. Very cool. Jeff, 549 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,400 Okay, so we're gonna I'm gonna change the question around here just a little 550 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,239 bit because we're gonna talk about those could be upset. We're just gonna run 551 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,159 through and do the picks on the championship games. So give me just a 552 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,199 second, Jeff, because I want to bring this up. I want to 553 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,599 bring this up and have you run through all. We're gonna do a lightning 554 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:28,559 round here on all the championship games that are happening happening next week, you 555 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,639 ready, Jeff, Just a lightning round and I'll read them off to you. 556 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,880 We got the Conference USA championship game. You've got New Mexico State. 557 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,880 This is the ten and three Aggies, right, I mean this is this 558 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,599 is Jerry Kill's team. Remember he was like an offensive quality control assistant for 559 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:50,320 Virginia Tech. He's also the former Minnesota Gophers head football coach. They're taking 560 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,480 on twelve and old Liberty. Who do you got there, Jeff? Bet 561 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:59,320 do sleep on New Mexico State. Just ask Auburn what they think of New 562 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,719 Mexico State and the three TD beating they took at Jordan Hare two weeks ago. 563 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,760 Everyone wants to talk about, like, hey, great win for Alabama 564 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,800 winning at Jordan Hare. Yeah, two weeks ago, New Mexico State ran 565 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,480 Auburn out of their home stadium. So don't sleep on New Mexico State. 566 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:23,880 But you know Liberty playing, you know, near Virginia in Virginia also really 567 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,159 good team. I'll still take Liberty in that one. Okay, well, 568 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,360 you know what, we agree on most things. But I'm going to take 569 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,159 New Mexico State today, Jeff, there you go, Hey, No, 570 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,880 I mean no problem with that. I will I will take New Mexico State 571 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,039 because I think Jerry Kill is a better coach than the Liberty coach. That's 572 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:52,519 my personal opinion. He'll have them prepared and ready to go. Oklahoma State 573 00:43:52,719 --> 00:44:00,159 taking on Texas. I don't think Oklahoma State is is a good really that 574 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:06,039 good of a football team. They lost by forty d u CF they they 575 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:10,519 they're an inflated eight and three. It's hard to see Texas losing that game. 576 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,800 Texas comes out of that one with a win, and there's a big 577 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,639 twelve, big twelve champ, very good Sir s MU taking on the number 578 00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:25,079 twenty three two Lane Green Wave Man. That is a fun game. That's 579 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:30,320 a fun game of the of the under radar. You know, SMU people 580 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,320 talk about, oh, you know, you know, coming into the ACC 581 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,119 they're ten and two and they're pretty decent. Two Lane has been one of 582 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:44,760 the best group of five teams out there. I'm still gonna, you know, 583 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,039 take two lane in this in this game. But that should be a 584 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:50,840 pretty fun one. I'm with you, and I'm with you on your pick 585 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,440 too. Uh So, I'd say we're gonna start to get into some of 586 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:02,800 the afternoon games here, afternoon games coming up Jet cand Alabama. That should 587 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,920 be a l of the game. Yeah, that that should be pretty That 588 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,840 should be a good game. We haven't talked about what Georgia Tech did with 589 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,480 Georgia. And you know, the game was probably never really in doubt, 590 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,480 but but Georgia Tech exposed some things along the defensive front of Georgia. They 591 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,920 ran for two hundred yards against them, and that wasn't a smoking mirrors type 592 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,800 thing either. They pushed Georgia around quite a bit. Nobody had run for 593 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,400 two hundred yards on Georgia. It's only happened one time in like the last 594 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,159 six five or six years since twenty eighteen. And and Alabama can run the 595 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:46,800 ball. Both teams have issues, I think defensively against more physical teams. 596 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:52,639 Alabama got pushed. Alabama got pushed around a lot as well by Auburn. 597 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,960 It took a miracle play for them to beat to beat Auburn in a game 598 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,519 they were really outplayed. So yeah, this is a tough one to call. 599 00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:06,159 I think Georgia gets brought boers back for that game, and some a 600 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:09,400 couple of they're injured offensive players. So I feel like George is still gonna 601 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,039 come out of there with a win. Guess what, I'm going to take 602 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:20,480 Alabama to win that game. You can happen George is not invincible, that's 603 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,079 fact. I'm taking Alabama to win that game. I'm taking Alabama to win 604 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,880 that game. I feel, I feel, I feel that they're actually gonna 605 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:34,960 win. And the points. How's that Alabama and the points I feel I 606 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440 feel, I feel, I feel, I feel Nick is going to be 607 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,280 hungry coming into that game. And like you said, I mean, I 608 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,400 think you brought up a really good point, Jeff. I mean, and 609 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,199 we talked about this on Twitter. I mean, Georgia Tech took Georgia, 610 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:51,400 the defending national champions of the wire, I mean pretty much to the wire. 611 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,480 That game was pretty That game was close. Yeah, it was a 612 00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,039 It was a competitive game, and at the line of scrimmage, Georgia Tech 613 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:07,039 offensively held their own against Georgia's defensive front. You know, nobody had run 614 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:12,079 for more yards on Georgia the entire season than Georgia Tech did, And like 615 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,039 you said, Nick Saban took some notes there on what Georgia Tech was doing. 616 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,320 And as good a runner as Haines King is, and he's an excellent 617 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,719 runner. Milroe, the quarterback at Alabama is one of the elite dual threat 618 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,840 quarterbacks in all of college football. I mean he he can really do some 619 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,599 things with his mobility, and I guarantee Nick Saban took notes on what Georgia 620 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,239 Tech did against Georgia. Got it, man, you got it? Okay? 621 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,400 So we got three more games, and this is the evening segment. 622 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,880 These are all the eight o'clock games, Jeff, Let's go to the big 623 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,639 ten. Michigan takes on Iowa. That's twelve and Oh Wolverines, who I 624 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,960 finally am. I'm finally going to say they deserve to get in, but 625 00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:59,519 only if they beat Iowa, which I think they probably will handle it. 626 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:07,239 I'm not sure if Iowall cross his midfield four times in this game between their 627 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,079 completely inapt offense, I don't know. They're probably the worst two loss team 628 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,599 I've ever seen that I can remember at this point in the season. For 629 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,639 being ten and two. Michigan is absolutely going to wallop them. I'm with 630 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:31,079 you. I'm with you. So takes on Florida State. This is ten 631 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:37,280 and two. Louisville takes on Florida State. A Louisville team that's pretty healthy, 632 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,440 that's probably smarting from the week week before. They're probably a little bit 633 00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:45,119 upset, and they're taking out of Florida State. It doesn't have its starting 634 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:57,599 quarterback. Yeah, I still like Florida State in this game. If Jordan 635 00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:01,400 Travis was playing, I would have Florida State as a prohibitive favorite. Louisville 636 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,039 can win this game, but I think one of the under the not you 637 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,760 know, talked about enough things with Florida State is earlier in the year, 638 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,519 their defense was prone to give up some big plays. But they're really playing 639 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:22,360 well right now that defense. They haven't given up thirty points to anyone in 640 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,360 their schedule, and I mean they're holding teams to ten to twenty points. 641 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,320 And you know, Louisville can do some things offensively, but I don't think 642 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,519 they can do enough against Florida State to come out of there with a with 643 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,599 a win. I really don't like their headspace, you know, coming off 644 00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:45,079 the second half against Kentucky, and I think Florida State got a huge boost 645 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,239 of confidence winning in the swamp, not playing well in the especially in the 646 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,400 first half, playing really poorly, and still having you know, pulling away 647 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:01,480 in the second half. I think you know that going into that ACC championship 648 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,079 game, they're on a mission. They're playing for a playoff spot. I 649 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:09,320 like Florida State in that one. Good pick, good pick. I think 650 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,119 I think so too. I think so too. I think Florida State knows 651 00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,760 that the motivation there is that they know they're out at the college football playoff 652 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,639 if they lose. And more on that. More on that in our segment 653 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,880 in the open mic for fun. Here's the last one. Here's the last 654 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,440 one, Jeff. Oregon plays Washington in the PAC twelve title game, and 655 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,639 Washington seems like it's had nine lives all year, but they've been scraping by 656 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,039 the last few games. And I just saw the points spread here Oregon. 657 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,599 Oregon is favored by nine and a half points. Yeah, that's a huge 658 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,239 point spread for a game like that. I'm not so sure Oregon's not the 659 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:59,400 best team in all the college football They're a complete they're a complete team. 660 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,920 I think Washington is great. I think Pennix is a fantastic quarterback. But 661 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:09,119 oh, it's it's really tough to see Oregon lose into them. I mean, 662 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,760 if Washington knocks off Oregon two times in a row, I mean, 663 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,079 that's going to really say something about their team. But I think Oregon wins. 664 00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,880 You know, that's probably is going to be the best game of the 665 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:27,239 day because here's the thing. Oregon still doesn't have great defensive backs and that's 666 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,199 the you know, and and I feel like Washington will be able to you 667 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,559 know, will be able to score. I agree with you. I think 668 00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:37,159 Oregon probably will win that game. I do have a question to ask ask 669 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,519 you, Jeff. And I don't know if you saw it, if you 670 00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:44,079 saw it live like I did, but I I but you may have seen 671 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,920 the replay on Twitter. Do you remember that fourth and one at the forty 672 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:53,159 or what where Washington? Did you see the play call where they went for 673 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,599 it against Wazuo fourth and one? No? No, I didn't. I 674 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,960 didn't see to play my Heaven's Jeff, everybody in the stadium thought it was 675 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,400 going thought the quarterback was going to run the ball up the middle. Well, 676 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,840 I'll find a video of it after we're done and you can see it. 677 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:16,440 But they basically disguised it, hit it behind and the running back goes 678 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,440 to that goes nobody knew who had the ball. Nobody knew who had the 679 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,760 ball, the running back. They flipped it back to the running back, 680 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,880 who flipped it to the wide receiver and he went ran around to the left 681 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,760 side, ran around the left side and basically not only I mean they totally 682 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,199 deeped out the announcers and everybody in the crowd. I mean, it was 683 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,400 really one of the best plays I've seen in college football this year because nobody 684 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,719 knew where the football was. I mean, it was just I mean, 685 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,760 de Beers has just done a hell of a job at Washington this year. 686 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:51,280 And if you know his background, I mean he was at the University of 687 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,800 Sioux Falls in South Dakota. He had won some anii A national championships, 688 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,400 he won, he won several There a lot of a lot of people, 689 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,440 in fact, think that University of Sous Falls is gonna, you know, 690 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:05,360 is going to be the next one to move up to the to the FCS 691 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,079 ranks, just like Saint Thomas did in Minnesota and then, you know, 692 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,760 and then eventually move up to FBS football. But he you know, then 693 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,159 he went to and resuscitated the program at Indiana, right, won all the 694 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,679 games there, and that's where he got his quarterback. He got his quarterback 695 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,880 Phoenix to transfer to Washington, you know. And so he's just done a 696 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,880 heck of a job. But that play call, when we're done with this 697 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,719 podcast, will send it to you on Twitter because it was It literally was 698 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,960 the best one of the best play calls I've seen this year. And I 699 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,199 mean, you know, you've got to pull those grab but you know, 700 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,599 those tricks out of your hat when you're making a run, right, Jeff, 701 00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,360 I mean you've got to you know, you're going to have some calls 702 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,400 that go in your favor that maybe not necessarily should go in your favor. 703 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,480 You and I have talked about this before, Lady, Luck's got to be 704 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,360 on your side, right and and and you know Washington's had a lot of 705 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,880 that this year. You've got to have you got to have some luck when 706 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,280 you have a run. And it can't all it can't always be like we're 707 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,920 the most dominating team in the world, right, You've got it. I 708 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,880 mean, Alabama's certainly had its share of luck going through when it won, 709 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,079 it won titles, when it wasn't that great, when there were questionable calls 710 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:15,000 and things like that. But you know that certainly has helped out Washington. 711 00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,119 But I'm certainly with you, Jeff, I think that's gonna be that's gonna 712 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,119 be a challenging row. I think to hold the to hoe there as they 713 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,280 say for Washington, and I think I'm with you. I'm thinking with you 714 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,000 that Oregon's gonna win that game. So man, let's do this here. 715 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:35,079 I mean, you've got your second half of the ACC Awards to ACC coaches. 716 00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,320 I mean, you wrote about some folks that had a pluses this year 717 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,480 on the block, so I when to have you make you make sure you 718 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,119 get a chance to advertise that here. But I mean, who do you 719 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,760 think coached with a B grade or higher on the four point four point scale 720 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:59,599 here? Second half of the season, Jeff, Yeah, I read an 721 00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:04,360 article today on who I gave a plus is two in the second half of 722 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,400 the season, and and or we'll say, you know, I put it 723 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,440 as November, which you can slide it out there, but definitely in the 724 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,880 second half, you know, Mike Norvel Florida State. He's keeping the train 725 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,679 going for the Knowles. Even with the loss of Jordan Travis hadn't lost a 726 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,719 game and still truck trucking along, you know, keeping that team, you 727 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,079 know, together, motivated, really a tough environment, hostile environment down in 728 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:40,119 Florida, and they win that game. Dave Dorin, you know we've been 729 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:44,559 tough on him on this podcast in the past, but he's just done a 730 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:47,760 fantastic job this year in the second half of the season, with the changing 731 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:53,280 quarterback, the lack of Playmacker Beyden, Laker's on his offense and that defense. 732 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,519 Peyton Wilson, you know, he's an All American. Has just been 733 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,960 fantastic and you know they've played some of the best second half football in the 734 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:07,599 ACC this season. Dabo Sweeney, I don't know if you can give him 735 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:13,519 a plus for the whole second half because he had lost a couple of games 736 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,039 at the end of October. But I mean for a team that was four 737 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,239 and four, two and four in the ACC at that time, and for 738 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,599 them to finish the season, you know, knocking off ranked Notre Dame, 739 00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,159 a Georgia Tech team that's played well themselves, in the second half, blew 740 00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,559 them out. North Carolina was ranked, you know, beat them, and 741 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:36,679 then go on the road and beat South Carolina. You know, to avenge 742 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,320 last year's loss without scoring an offensive touchdown and winning your final four games. 743 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,440 I mean, I think you got to give Dabos Sweeney at least an a 744 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,679 minus for the second half, if you know, he had the early losses 745 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,800 in the first part of the second half of the season, but also done 746 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,159 a real good job. And then the other two coaches, you know, 747 00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,159 are pretty much in the same category of trying to re bill their programs. 748 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,880 But Brent pry And and Brent Key, uh, you know, it was 749 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,639 no guarantee they were gonna make bowl games, and for both of them, 750 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:14,480 it came down to the final two weeks of the season to get bowl eligible, 751 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,920 which was the most tangible sign of progress for either either program. And 752 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440 you know, they they mission accomplished. You know, Georgia Tech got Bowl 753 00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:30,559 eligible last week against Syracuse and and Virginia Tech gets Bowl eligible this past week. 754 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,519 And so you know, they weren't perfect in the second half, but 755 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,840 no one expected that, but they did what they needed to do to get 756 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,519 to get bowl eligible. You know, you know, and both took some 757 00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,239 some you know, kind of ugly losses early in the season. So I 758 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:51,199 mean, I think you got to give both of them at least bees. 759 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:58,000 Uh in that regard to and I'll still give Jeff Brom you know, a 760 00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:02,320 bee despite the loss to Kentucky. Key, it wasn't a shoe in that 761 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,760 they were going to get to the ACC title game, and they did what 762 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,360 they needed to do to end up in Charlotte. Uh. I can't give 763 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,639 them an a after, you know, losing the game to to Kentucky. 764 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,360 But he's definitely in the B range as well. Just a minor shout out 765 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,079 to the interim coach too with Syracuse for at least getting his team to the 766 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,320 bowl. And you know, I say, when when Babers is gone, 767 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,159 you know you've got you could have a team collapse, and he he found 768 00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:30,199 a way to get them a win and get them to a bowl. And 769 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:34,519 I think, if I'm not mistaken, Jeff, eleven ACC Bowl teams. 770 00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,920 That's what I think, right, Yeah, yep, eleven. That's pretty 771 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,559 That's that's pretty darn good. That's pretty darn good. So today, Jeff, 772 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,119 who are your who are your four teams? In the College Football Playoff 773 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:54,199 and see them. Yeah, if I'm seeing them today, uh, you 774 00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:59,000 know, and the margin is not big, this is not overwhelming, but 775 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:06,039 I would I probably have Georgia number one, number one, Michigan to Washington, 776 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,920 UH at three and and Florida State at four today. I think I 777 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,440 think it's fair. But I you know what, I'm still don't. I 778 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:22,440 still think Washington should be ahead of Michigan because they play a boltload of ranked 779 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,320 teams, you know what I mean. I mean, I'm just at some 780 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,719 point we got to start saying the scheduled me the schedule means something, right, 781 00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:36,719 Yeah, I'm I'm with you there. But but as the teams in 782 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,320 the Pac twelve, you know, if fewer and few of them are are 783 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:46,000 remaining ranked, which which puts into question, you know, especially now that 784 00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:50,840 Michigan does have that win over Ohio State, which we'll give them credit for, 785 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,199 and you know some of the wins Georgia has. I mean, the 786 00:59:54,239 --> 01:00:02,079 margin is is fairly thin. And if someone had Washington won UH and and 787 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,719 Georgia two and Michigan two and Georgia three, I wouldn't really argue with any 788 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,119 of them at at the moment, fair enough, fair enough, open microphone 789 01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:19,920 sim what do you got for ust? Jeff? Yeah, yeah, this 790 01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:23,119 almost seems like I don't even almost waste time on this because it's it's so 791 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:29,639 ridiculous. But the discussion of Florida State not making the playoff as an undefeated 792 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:35,199 team, which seems to keep coming up for some just completely unknown reason to 793 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,880 me, it just it just defies logic that that someone after, especially after 794 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,960 this weekend, can make arguments, you know, that that teams are that 795 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:52,159 far apart. I mean, I know what we saw this weekend. Washington 796 01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:58,360 you know, came within an eyelash of losing to Washington State, a not 797 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:05,320 good Washington State team. We saw Alabama very nearly lose to Auburn, should 798 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,119 have lost, and we've already taught about this was an Auburn team that lost 799 01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:14,119 by three touchdowns a week before to New Mexico State. Georgia did not look 800 01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:19,360 you know, they're not invincible. It wasn't quite as close for them against 801 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,199 Georgia Tech, but it was a competitive game and they had they showed vulnerabilities 802 01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:28,719 in that game. So you know, when you start getting into that discussion 803 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,280 and saying, oh, well, Florida straight struggled against Florida when in actuality 804 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,480 they may have been more impressive than any of those three teams on the weekend. 805 01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:45,360 It's gotten to the point of just like complete lunacy now to me that 806 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,199 that can even come up, and if you even want to dig deeper, 807 01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:53,880 I mean, ACC teams finished with a renning record against the SEC this year 808 01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,199 six and four. I mean, I'm not saying the ACC is, you 809 01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:04,440 know, much better than the SEC in any way, but you can't make 810 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,599 the argument the other way. I mean, you played ten times against each 811 01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:12,400 other. That's a lot of games, and you know, when one has 812 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,639 a winning record versus the other, there's no other metric then you can use 813 01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:21,280 more than head to head. And the ACC also had a winning record against 814 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,880 the Big Ten, who some people are still trying to argue Michigan and Ohio 815 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,639 State into the playoffs. So you have an ACC that went ten and seven 816 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:36,039 against the Big Ten and the SEC, and you're trying to argue their champion 817 01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:44,559 may not belong. You know, if Florida State wins is just I can't 818 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:49,159 describe it anything other than complete lunacy. If you even if you're suggesting Florida 819 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,480 State doesn't belong in the playoff if they beat Louisville. You just don't watch 820 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:59,400 college football. There's no other explanation for it, because you can't say Alabama 821 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:05,000 is much better, or when we know what happened against Auburn, you can't 822 01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:07,559 say Georgia is invincible that if they were to lose to Alas is another point 823 01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:13,519 of discussion. If Alabama beats Georgia and it's likely Alabama's going to be seventh 824 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:20,079 or eighth, I don't think you can really argue that Georgia should stay in 825 01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:24,320 the top four because they've They've had a number of close games against you know, 826 01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:29,239 not elite teams. They barely beat Auburn, they struggled with a bad 827 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,880 South Carolina team, and Georgia Tech, you know, got him into the 828 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,559 fourth quarter. So we can't say Georgia has been so dominating during the course 829 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,719 of the entire season that if they were to lose to the team that is 830 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:46,079 ranked seventh, that they shouldn't fall out. Yeah, I definitely don't want 831 01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,679 to hear a discussion, you know, if the final spot, if Alabama 832 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:58,360 does win and Texas wins. It's also completely ridiculous that someone would suggest Alabama 833 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:05,800 should be in over Texas. Amen, you cannot argue that in any way. 834 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:15,760 When Texas right and it was a lopsided of a ten point game as 835 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,400 you could have, they absolutely dominated Alabama in that in that game, And 836 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,079 it doesn't matter when you play it. Either the games matter or they they 837 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,400 don't matter. So there's a couple of things that just absolutely make no sense 838 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,079 to me. One that the discussion of Florida State being left out if they 839 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:41,639 win out, you know, any any argument for having Alabama over Texas if 840 01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:47,280 it comes down between those two and and anyone that you know, I might 841 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:54,119 rank Washington third, But now you try to tell me Washington beats Oregon that 842 01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:01,679 they are automatic, you know, you automatically put them behind Georgia and Michigan. 843 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,760 That it's not an automatic. I mean, you can make an argument 844 01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:11,719 for Washington being a one or two seed. There's no one in the country 845 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,760 who have two better wins than beaton Oregon, who I think might be the 846 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:21,079 best team in all of college football. So I don't know if what's going 847 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:25,920 on it's just people trying to have talking points or trying to create discussions, 848 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:32,039 but it's just I think there's a media war between ESPN, the ESPN families, 849 01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:36,760 right, Disney and Fox because they're just trying to talk these things up 850 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:42,280 because you know, Fox owns the Big ten right now, right, And 851 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,679 so I think maybe there is something to that, because I think that there's 852 01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:49,639 no other reason. But the other thing that makes the other thing is that 853 01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:54,000 sort of air up the other thing. I'll get this part of my open 854 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,760 microphone. You and I have talked about this multiple times, blogged about it 855 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:03,400 multiple times. If you are in undefeated FBS Power five team, how many 856 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,920 times have you been left out of that national title or that college football playoff 857 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,679 game? Jeff? How many times have you been left out? It hasn't 858 01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:16,920 happened. And it definitely, you know, can't happen here, or there'd 859 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:24,639 be no explanation for it won't because it won'ts. It won'ts. I mean, 860 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,119 just a discussion of it is mind boggling to me. We'll have to 861 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,480 we'll have to make sure we have a few words about that because like, 862 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,679 the fact is that in our scenario that we described here, I mean, 863 01:06:35,719 --> 01:06:40,960 even even back to the Bowl Alliance, if I'm not mistaken, is that 864 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,480 correct? I mean, it's probably all the way back to that. If 865 01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:50,119 I'm not mistaken, Jeff, I think the last time early two thousands when 866 01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:57,760 when undefeated Auburn got left out there were three undefeated teams. Was usc H 867 01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:03,039 that was Auburn team that beat Virginia Tech. If I'm not mistaken, Yeah 868 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,159 they were, Yeah, that is right, and it was usc was one 869 01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:13,519 of the undefeated teams. Maybe was it Texas. I'd have to go back, 870 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:17,159 and I mean it's ridiculous. I mean, it's just something that doesn't 871 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:23,679 happen. Is our is our point, and it's not going to happen this 872 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,920 time around. Because I can tell you if I'll be I'll be blunt. 873 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,119 And when I say this, Jeff, if if if Florida State is left 874 01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:36,320 out, I can tell you I rarely get political on this podcast. Ron 875 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,920 DeSantis will start talking about this, you know, from he's running for president. 876 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,480 He will start talking about this, you know what I mean. And 877 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,679 other people will talk about it from and you know, they they talk about 878 01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:51,880 it from an FTC perspective, right, Federal Trade Commission, because the Federal 879 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,679 Trade Commission, I think was I mean, people were threatening to take the 880 01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:00,400 college football playoff to the FTC had there not been thesetional playoff spots that were, 881 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,880 you know, put out there at the twelve and you know, so 882 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,119 that's you know, something like that. I think something like that would happen 883 01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:14,039 if an undefeated f S you got left out. I'm very certain of that, 884 01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:18,680 Jeff. And and and it should because it would it would come defy 885 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:26,399 any explanation, uh whatsoever. I saw someone post I'm gonna leave that that 886 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:30,800 that a Twitter account nameless because I think it's a terrible, awful account anyways, 887 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,960 but I actually saw the Twitter. I don't even follow him, but 888 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:42,520 I got it. Reposted Jeff no boomers, Jeff, I'm not saying who 889 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,640 is not only person I saw big game Boomers undefeated f S you get left 890 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,039 out? I saw that. Yeah, and I'm sure he got I'm sure 891 01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:55,880 f S two f SU. Twitter was like, let's come after this guy, 892 01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:59,399 you know what I mean? So I'm sure his mentions were were crazy, 893 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:03,760 right because he just visited Blacksburg this year. Jeff, did you he 894 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,600 visited blink? I saw that somewhere. I don't follow him, it popped 895 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,920 up on my timeline. He used to follow me and then I deleted that 896 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,800 Twitter account, but he used to follow me on Twitter, and you know, 897 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,960 we kind of helped him get going. He likes the Blacksburg folks. 898 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:24,840 He thinks that Virginia Tech should replace van or built the SEC. But you 899 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,920 know, look, we're all, but we're all we're all locked into this 900 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,000 this uh, this ACC grant of rights media thing. So everybody's going to 901 01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,239 be here for a while, and so are Jeff. So are Jeff and 902 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:40,520 I here at All Sports Discussion dot com as we block up a walk and 903 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,800 talk about the ACC. Jeff, any closing thoughts before we depart tonight. 904 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,720 No, I think I think we've covered it all. I think the a 905 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:54,920 SEC championship game, you know, this is what they've been trying to get 906 01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,439 for a while, an ACC championship game with two top twenty teams, playoff 907 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,359 implications on the line. I expect Florida State to win, but I also 908 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:12,840 expect a competitive game. I mean, uh, Louisville at times has played 909 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,840 with an extremely high ceiling outside of Florida State. I think they they at 910 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,800 times have played as you know, as high as anyone in the ACC. 911 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:26,239 It's a matter of their consistency. But you know, I'm looking forward to 912 01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:30,680 that game. I do think Alabama and Georgia is going to be great. 913 01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:35,800 I think Oregon Washington will be absolutely fantastic. And I can't watch. That's 914 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,239 what I will be watching. That's what, Jeff, that is the one 915 01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,760 I will be watching. Yeah, you can watch you know why. I'll 916 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,079 tell you what. I'll make you a deal. You can watch the Florida 917 01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,239 State Louisville one and all. Yeah, you'll probably want to watch both. 918 01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:53,079 But I really plan to watch Oregon and Washington wire to wire because I really 919 01:10:53,079 --> 01:11:00,000 want to see if Washington can do it. That's that's the best. That's 920 01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,239 the best quarterback matchup you'll see, uh anywhere in the country. Pennix and 921 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,399 bow Nicks. That'll be fantastic. It will be fun. It will be 922 01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,760 fun, Jeff. It was fun talking that. We talked for an hour. 923 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,479 It was fun. We don't do this and have a great week. 924 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,479 I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Yeah you too. All right, 925 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,399 take care, I have a great week next week. Bye.