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Again, that's at All Sports d a c C. Jeff, I'm
gonna ask you a real quick question. What did you buy for Black Friday?
Did you buy anything for Black Back Black Friday? I bought absolutely nothing,
you know, good for you, good for you, good for you,
because I did buy some things at Walmart. I mean I bought I
bought some pillows because they were on sale, but then half you know,
or I literally ordered twelve items for Walmart because I'm a Walmart Plus member,
right and so with Walmart prop Plus, you know, they're okay. So
Walmart, I don't know if people know this, and maybe maybe you maybe
you maybe you know this, or maybe you don't, Jeff, But they're
trying hard to compete with Amazon right now, just on a whole lot of
things, including like you know, Amazon Prime with their free shipping and stuff
like that. So Walmart's doing the same thing and targets. Target's not doing
the same thing, but Walmart's doing trying to do the same thing. They're
in a cutthrow battle right now. And so normally, if you order you
know, at least you know, several items, they try to put a
lot of them in the same box, you know, the same box.
But Walmart sent me twelve separate items wrapped in plastic, which was the weirdest
thing that's ever happened. And they sent it here to this condo building.
I mean literally twelve separate items, like five pillows. They were wrapped in
plastic. Well a couple of them were already opened, you know, the
pillows, so there were sanitary issues. There were sanitary issues at the pillows.
And then you know, they folded up a rug and cracked it,
so it was kind of not. I couldn't really use it, right,
the rubber backing was was was kind of you know, shot shots. I
can't really use it, you know. So I have that issue. And
then they but I did get these good rubber maid I'm talking about things I
get from my things I get for my condo, right, the rubber rubber
Maid, uh, rubber made plastic containers and stuff like that. You know.
So I did get some things from Walmart, but it was just weird
the way they scent it. I mean it's like you usually normally expect things
like that in a box and stuff like that, but they didn't do it.
So anyway, but I did I did buy that. I did buy
some beef jerky because I usually, you know, I think I buy it
like a lot of I mean, people seem like the Twitter timeline, whether
it's at my own personal or the side Twitter account. I buy a lot
of protein, so I bought I bought some beef jerky and that sort of
that that sort of thing. So I did make a I did make a
few purchases, you know. But but while I was doing that, of
course, I was watching some acc hoops over the weekend. Jeff so I
mean, before we get into the week that was here for for ACC football,
I want to talk some ACC hoops a little bit. I mean,
who, who have you seen so far? It's a small sample size,
of course, but what have you seen any team that's been really dominating so
far for Acco? Some really strong performances in the Lake Jeff, I don't
know if I if I've seen anyone just you know, blow me away when
you watch Duke play. I mean, I think they're the most talented team
in the in the ACC. But the loss to Arizona a couple of weeks
ago, you know, leaves it open. You know what they have to
improve on and they got to get tough for any interior. But they're obviously
really talented. They do have a win over over Michigan State, which is
a good win. But we're gonna find out more about them this week.
I think they play Arkansas and the ACC SEC challenge. I think what you've
seen is that there's been yet for an elite team to really step up in
the conferences in the conference, but that there are a lot of there's much
more depth than there was last year. I think Louisville is a much improved
team. They're not a great team, don't get me wrong, but from
what they were last year. I mean, they came within a bucket of
beating Texas the other day, and really it took a great shot by Texas
with no time on the clock to beat them, and that that kind of
just opened you know, if that didn't open your eyes that Louisville is a
better team than they were last year, I don't, I don't know what
will. You saw North Carolina beat Arkansas. You saw Virginia Tech beat Iowa
State. This week, Florida State beat a rank Colorado team, So so
you're seeing science. I think Miami's probably been the most consistent team in the
ACC and they got to play Kentucky this week, So I think you're seeing
improved depth depth in the league. You won't get they won't get hammered like
they did last year based on the on the computer metrics with teams you know,
for example, like Louisville last year that that had net rankings in the
three hundreds. In Florida State was in the two hundreds for a good portion
of the year. Uh that the conference, you know, is picking up
some quality wins here and there. But but also, no team is just
truly you know, jumped out at you. Probably maybe Miami has been the
been the closest. And if they win, if they went in rupp Arena
this week, that that would really that would really open open some eyes.
Okay, and I agree with pretty much everything you said, Jeff. I'm
gonna just say something about Louisville. Do you know today that they went to
overtime with a team, Jeff, This is really, I mean, this
is key here. New Mexico State had so many files. They had four
guys four they were playing with four players left, and they went to overtime
with Louisville today. Yeah, I think I saw you when you posted that
on on on Twitter. And I'm not sure if they would have been able
to have won that game at this time last year. Well you know what
though, I mean, I they have they have a long way to go,
and they're they're at the point where I think, Jeff, where they're
doing. I mean, if they if they continue losing, which I think
they will, I don't think there. I honestly don't think they're gonna stun
too many people in conference. Jeff. I mean, unless the threes aren't
falling for a team some night that goes in that goes in there, or
something like that. They aren't gonna stun too many people. They're gonna have
a huge decision there to make at the end of the at the end of
the season in Louisville. I think that's my personal opinion, because once you
start getting to a point where you have fan apathy, you get in trouble.
I remember, you know who, you know who. Kenny Payne kind
of reminds me of that situation. Jevin kind of reminds me of James Johnson.
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember that.
And Louisville is going to be kind of an interesting case because they were so
bad last year. I mean truly one of the you know, on a
historical level, one of the worst teams we've ever seen in the accuh.
And they are better this year. They're an improved team, but like you
said, I still think they're probably going to be one of the bottom three
or four teams in the ACC. They're gonna lose a lot of games,
you know, probably fifteen or twenty, and and then how do you look
at it? If you're Louisville, You're gonna look at it like, well
they did get better and give pain another chance or just going to cut the
court on the whole thing. It's a big decision. And I you know,
I We're gonna have to get one of our Louisville friends on the podcast
in the new year, Jeff, because I want to find out who they're
still paying, you know what I mean? Who are they still paying?
Right? I mean that's the that's that's the big thing. Now, I'll
tell you quickly. I did watch Virginia Tech several times, right, they
and they they look like a team that's still kind of trying to find its
defensive mission with a player that they thought they were going to have in the
rotation. Right, You've got players that are adjusting to new roles and things
like that. I'm trying to be patient when I watch when I watched the
Hokies and stuff like that, because it didn't go good against South Carolina,
but there are people that are telling me that South Carolina is going to be
better than they were. It went better against Iowa State, the first half
was actually pretty decent against Florida A and M. But you're not gonna make
you, you know, if you if you're shooting like ten percent from three
point land, you're not going to beat anybody. And that was the problem
today for Virginia Tech that once you start missing these hoops right then the other
I mean, fam use a good team, but you know the Florida A
and m is good at University is a good team. They I mean,
they're legit, They're there's somebody I think they could easily make this second or
second weekend. They could, they could go to the Final eighty. They
have the capability to go a long way this year because they are very tall
at every position, they can hit threes, they can play defense. I
mean, they're they're they're legit. They they're legit. Maybe, Jeff,
I want to say this there it's either of them are on Miami. That's
the best team in the state a state of Florida. And you know that
was a good early season test for Virginia Tech to play, you know,
competition like this. I mean, I want to go into this because let's
run through this. Just jet ref Jeff, just real quickly. Here the
a c c SEC Men's Basketball Challenge. I want to go through and have
you pick these games. And this is going to be sort of a lightning
ground game, a lightning round segment here for us. The twenty eighth of
November. The twenty eighth of November, LSU goes to Syracuse. Who do
you got? I think Syracuse Syracuse can win that game. I mean l
s U has already lost a couple of times this year. Uh, Syracuse
has been a little bit on an evening but uneven. But you get that
game at home. I like, I like Syracuse in that game. Miss
I mean, I know, I know Pittsburgh, you know, really really
struggled in that game against I think it was Florida in the preseason n I
T. But you know, other other than that, they they've played pretty
well. They got a Power five win over Oregon State. Yeah, Oregon
State is not very good, but but uh, Pittsburgh dominated that game.
And Missouri they got a couple of losses out of out of the gate at
one point loss to Chad Jackson State Memphis is pretty good and that that loss.
But I like Pittsburgh in that game. Mississippi State. Georgia Tech.
Honestly, I think the game's at Georgia Tech. But Georgia Tech has absolutely
no interior defense and they're gonna have to probably shoot better than forty from three
in that game. They got a lot of issues on the defensive side of
the ball early in the season. Cincinnati absolutely ran them off the court.
I think Mississippi State wins that game. Notre Dame, it's South Carolina.
That should be an interesting matchup. Yeah, I think this is one of
those toss up type type games. You know. South Carolina was picked by
most people to be last in the SEC. I think Notre Dames they've been
kind of all over the place early this year. They already have a win
over Oklahoma State, but have lost to Western Carolina. I think on the
road in a toss up game, I still favor the South Carolina. Okay,
so what do we got here? We got basically two and two here.
That's what I'm hearing so far. Miami at Kentucky. I love this
matchup that this is gonna be probably one of the premier games of the of
the tournament. Miami seems to have not missed a beat with their back court
and Jim laier Inega. Kentucky is is super talented as usual, but this
year's team can actually shoot, and I think Kentucky's a pretty legitimate team this
year, not not overrated as they usually are going into Rupper. If that
game was in Miami, I would definitely favor the Canes, But I think
going into rupp Arena is too tall of a task even for a really good
team like Miami. So I think Kentucky wins will be taking Miami to win
that game. Jeff, there you go. I like it. I feel
that they're disciplined and that they're smart and that they're not going to beat themselves
when they're going to bathe Kentucky into some bad moves, you know what I
mean. I mean, that's what I think. Get You got guys on
that team that are like I feel like, have been there since I since
I started, since I started graduate school, you know what I mean?
The first time now I'm kidding. Okay, NC State at old mess uh.
NC State actually has played pretty well to open the year. It was
weird. I thought they were going to win the tournament out in Vegas.
They were playing a really rugged BYU team and I leave for like ten minutes
and BYU goes on a seventeen to three run. Ole Miss hasn't hasn't played
anybody yet. If there's an early upset, or I feel like could be
an upset. I think NC State goes into Ole Miss and pulls that off.
Very good sir. Clemson at Alabama this is This one won't quite get
the notoriety of some of the other games, but this is a really,
really good matchup. Clemson is uh, this is This could potentially be Brad
Burnell's best team, or at least the best one he's had since his Sweet
sixteen team. They can score from multiple positions. PJ. Hall is a
future pro. They've got experience in the backcourt with with Hunter and and the
transfer from Syracuse. Oh my gosh, his name just slipped my mind.
Uh, I can't believe that. I'm gonna have to look that up really
quick. The all Ac Gerard Joe Gerard. Yeah, he's he's just now
getting comfortable in the offense. And this is another one that I feel like
it was was in Clemson or at a neutral site, I would have I
would favor Clemson, but but Alabama They've they've accumulated some talent over the last
few years. NATO's they they're well coached on the road. This is a
top twenty five caliber matchup. This is something you could see, you know,
in the NCAA tournament for sure. On the road, though, I
have to go with in a toss up game with the home team in Alabama,
Tennessee and North Carolina. Yeah, this is this is a really this
is a really good matchup. Tennessee. They've already lost a couple of times
this year, but they're they're a legit top twenty team. I mean,
they're two losses were we're single we're single digit games to Kansas and and Purdue.
Purdue is like the one actual team in the Big Ten that I think
is could be pretty good. We'll see how they do in March. But
right now, Purdue, you know, is a really really good uh basketball
team. In North Carolina, you know had villain. Villanova is is also
a really good team, and North Carolina went to overtime with them, then
they came back and played really well against Arkansas. I'm gonna stick with what
I've been doing here and in toss up games, I'm gonna lean to the
home team, and that means I'm going with North Carolina here, Okay,
And so this next pick, this next game here is kind of give you
gonna give you a little history. Somebody who I think could actually beat Purdue
on a neutral court in March. Who's on the road at Virginia. And
I'm telling you this, Hey, I think Texas C and M. Testas
C and M is legit. I mean, they're good. They're a good
team. Some people say the Buzz is the best coach, perhaps not to
get to a Final four, but they go to Virginia and he's very familiar
with Virginia and you know, obviously Charlots feel's a tough place to play.
But but Buzz has found ways to win against Tony Bennett, the Tony Bennett
defenses and things like that, and I think he has he has a pretty
good roster, and like I said, this is the kind of team that
could get for do a first round exit in March, just because of the
way they are, the way they play. So I'm curious in your thoughts
there with Texas A and M at Virginia, which I think will be one
of the best the challenges. Yeah, I think so too. Virginia has
gotten off to a pretty pretty solid start to the year. I think they
only have the one loss to to Wisconsin if I'm remembering right, and They've
also beat Florida early in the season, which is going to be a quality
win by the end of the year. Texas A and M. You know.
Also, you know, played that Florida Atlantic team that beat Virginia Tech
today, and that's that's a legitimate team final four last year, you know,
you know, with with Budds going back, I think that there's gonna
be some emotion in that game. And again I'm gonna you know, I
feel like this is a somewhat of a toss up game, so also going
with Virginia in this one too. Fair enough, fair enough Florida Wake Forest.
I don't like the way Wake Wake Forest has has played most of the
year. They have they've they're only three and three. They fallen behind big
against some, you know, really lesser opponents earlier, the first game of
the year, they were behind by twenty to elon. They have been they
have been competitive, but I feel like Florida's probably a little bit too athletic
for them, And and that's one where I'm gonna go with the road team
and and take Florida over Wake for Okay, how about Duke at Arkansas should
also be a pretty good game, But I feel I myself pretty good about
Duke going in there to Arkansas. Yeah, I do, I agree.
I agree with you there. Arkansas has already lost three times. They've already
lost three times this year, and one of those included a home loss to
UNC Greensboro at home where you know, surprisingly Bringensborough dominated that game. I
mean they were head by double digits most of that second half. They didn't
play well in that game. They struggled with Stanford, went to two overtimes.
There, played Memphis North Carolina beat him by fifteen and really just ran
away with him. Arkansas is a team that you will probably get better as
the season progresses, but right now they're not playing well. Duke is more
talented than than they are, and if they can get a little bit of
that, and they've already played some tough opponents, is like we talked about
earlier with Arizona, Michigan State, I think they'll be ready for for Arkansas.
I like Duke in that one. Virginia Tech at Auburn, Gosh,
Virginia Tech's just had a a hillatious road right in a row. Yeah,
this Virginia Tech is gonna if they shoot anywhere like they did today. They
got no chance in my opinion at Auburn. Auburn at one of those typical
SEC teams, not very disciplined, but really athletic. They got a lot
of those you know six five sixty six sixty seven wing guys that you know
can just jump out of the gym. That's not a good matchup for Virginia
Tech. In my opinion, It's hard to see Virginia Tech coming out of
there with a win unless they shoot out of their minds. They probably will
shoot out of their minds. I have a feeling that Auburn will be Undisi
Blenn, but they're gonna have a difficult time rebounding. And then I figure,
like you got Georgia, then you've got Iowa State, then you've got
fat you know, but you got you got you got the flor you know,
Florida team here Atlantic right in a row, and then you're going into
Auburn. I mean you've got to be you got to be tired out with
that rotation that you have. I mean, you played some several difficult opponents
in a row. Yeah, there's no question Virginia Tech will be battle tested.
I mean it's by the acc time they're gonna be ready to go.
But I don't. Yeah, I like, you don't think Auburn is a
good matchup. I think that. I think Auburn it actually is loaded and
is under quite frankly, is underrated in the SEC. And I think they're
gonna go a lot farther than the SEC in the SEC than people think.
And I think they might actually be a second weekend team, Jeff, I
actually think that about Auburn. I think they could be could end up being
that good. Uh, let's go to the next game here, Georgia at
Florida State. Florida is another team in the a c C that's much much
improved over last year. You know, they lost at Florida, but you
know, came back this week and one of the surprise results, you know,
one that one won their preseason tournament, you know, knocking off a
pretty quality Colorado team in overtime. And then this is starting to look a
little bit like your typical Leonard Hamilton team, you know, can defend their
long, their athletic Yeah. I like the Knowles in this one over Georgia.
Very good. Let's go to the last one, Boston College at Vanderbilt.
Yeah, Vanderbilt is not a good basketball team, but I don't think
Boston Colleges is all that good either. So this this is gonna kind of
be a battle of attrition, uh in in this game. Uh you know,
I'm gonna go ahead and and and say that Boston College is sneaks out
one of the under the radar upsets uh in this in this game. But
this is going to be kind of a battle of two teams I think are
going to finish towards the bottom of their conference. You know, But I
but I think you're right. I think they could sneak that one. I
mean every year there seems to be an under the radar one that that gets
you know, that somebody sneaks that nobody expects. You remember a few years
back when minnesot when when Virginia Tech went in to win at Michigan. Yes,
there's always something that happens that you don't expect in the in these in
these in these matchups, and I think this, I think I think I'm
with you. I think this is the one. Jeff. Let's go to
football. We're going to talk about ACC football Week thirteen. Who is your
most disappointing ACC football Team of Week three, Jeff Man. We got some
choices there. We were talking about this on Twitter. I think there was
there was a one A, one B and then also another team that disappointed
me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna start with Virginia in
this one. You know, you're at home, You've you've been competitive most
of the season, and I mean they were an absolute no show against Virginia
Tech. Uh, I mean they were just blown off the field from the
moment that game started. It's very uncharacteristic of Virginia Tech this year to be
you know, I mean you got to give Virginia Tech credit obviously, of
course they just you know, they just came out and, like you've been
saying, met the moment, got themselves Bowl eligible. But you know where
where Virginia could have went into the season with a little bit of off season,
with a little bit of optimism and a feeling like, hey, we
were in most of their games that wasn't even competitive. It's really surprising not
to see, I would say, Virginia even compete in that game. So
I'm with you, I'll say this, I always expect I guess here's the
maroon right, maroon orange, and me, I always expect Virginia Tech to
beat Virginia. I Ah, no matter what it is, I always expect
it. In the last twenty years, I've mostly been right. I've mostly
been right. The other thing I'd say, too, is that I mean,
I don't know. I know I missed. I didn't get a chance
to watch North Carolina and Virginia. I know you got a chance to watch
that. I didn't get a chance to watch that game. But I knew
that all year long. The Virginia's offensive line has pretty been It's been pretty
weak years most year long, and they've just had to try and find ways
to speed up the game and outscre score people and hope that other teams get
turnovers and things like that, you know, and that hasn't even been that
good for that hasn't even been that good for Virginia. I mean, if
I'm going for disappointing teams, and I know we talked about this, man,
I even put a question in that they're going to talk about on the
RTD Richmond Times. Samile said RTD Richmond Times Dispatch podcasts. I asked this
question to Mike Barber. I said, you're going to take questions for your
show. They said, how is it? How many years has been Jeff?
How many years has back Brown been in North Carolina? Do we know?
What? Can you know? Is it six? Seven eight? Somewhere
in there? It's been a long time now. Yeah, it's getting up
there now a little bit. We're in the you know, five to sixth
year of his tenure. He should have a defense by now, and especially
with the players that he's been stealing from Virginia Tech out of the seven five
seven, right, I mean, obviously, you know, And I talked
about this with a couple of other people on Twitter. I said, you
know, the the dre Blie experiment did not work out for coaching. Qrnerbacks.
Sure he could bring people in the room and bring them to North Carolina,
but that was it. He couldn't coach them to save his life.
And you know, so I just wonder where the loyalty to gene Chi is
it? Right? What I asked? I asked Mike that I said,
it seems like like I use the example of like Jeff, I used the
example of like Elon Musk's self driving car. Right, it goes well for
like six games, and all of a sudden there's a zero zero day exploit
in the software and hackers get into it, and he drives it off the
cliff, you know what I mean sort of thing, and it mostly has
to do with defense, and I'm wondering how they possibly can't have one after
that many years in the system. I mean, people people kind of obviously
tag make around for his for his you know, lack of defense at Texas,
and I think that that's true during the latter part of his year,
latter part of his years, he perhaps had one of the best players in
college football when he won his national championship down there. But you know,
that's the deal. That's I mean, I'm i a It's like a swoop
down to is a swoop off the cliff and you're just in it. And
I have all these drowning gifts on Twitter and the same kind I use when
you're in fourth and one and you're in the shot gun. That's what North
Carolina has been like, and it's been the defense. It's been just a
drastic failure for them. You could go, you go into that North Carolina
State game. You know who's gonna be the tougher tougher team getting on the
field, and it's sure as heck isn't the team for North Carolina. You
know, I've talked to a few fans who've said that they're tired of it
and they want them all to go. But I mean, I think mac
Brown's the kind of guy. I mean, he's been there for obviously,
he's been a you know, had a first time tenure there. It's one
of those graceful exit things that you see with like you would with Frank you
know, like you would with Frank Biemer. They were friends and things like
that, and it's one of those graceful Eke Smit things. But you know,
I'm curious send your thoughts on that, because I'm harder on him for
because of how long he's been there and how I keep seeing him drive off
the cliff. Jeff, Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. You know,
North Carolina was one of the most disappointing teams in the ACC in the
second half of the season, and you thought they that the defense was going
to at least be functional this year. You know, when they started the
season against South Carolina and had those seven or eight sacks, you know,
really slowed down that South Carolina team early in the season with Spencer Radler,
and the defense just kept gradually getting worse and worse until they may not have
been statistically the worst defense in the conference, but they you know, they
played like it, and they looked like the worst coach defense in the conference.
It wasn't a talent issue. I really don't think it was that big
of a talent issue on defense. I think there were depth issues and I
think you know, with Chisi, you would watch North Carolina and I mean
the angles that they would take, they would be out of position, Receivers
would run all over the place. You know, there'd be these gaping holes
everywhere. And NC State, for all the great work they've done the last
five games, winning five in a row, I mean, they don't have
a ton of offensive you know, playmaking ability, and they put up thirty
nine points on North Carolina. And I mean, I definitely agree with North
Carolina being up there as one of the dis you know, as the disappointing
teams given that their talent, what their talent level was. And I'm gonna
throw out, you know, the other disappointing team this week and just give
a blurb because I don't put them right up there with Virginia North Carolina,
but really disappointing effort out of Louisville. You know, ten and one going
into the game against a bad Kentucky team. You know, make no mistake,
Kentucky's a bad football team. Six and five going in, I mean,
really a moment to have a magical season and the game that they were
in control of, and they just had special teams breakdowns, defensive breakdowns in
the second half. I mean, made a very average offense. You know,
it looked like the Kansas City Chiefs in the second half. And you
know, they can still win the ACC. You know, they could beat
Florida State, win the ACC, maybe even a BCS but not a BZS.
But you know, a New Year six game could still happen. But
they're always going to have that Kentucky loss hanging over them, and in a
game that they really should have won. I was really disappointed in Louisville,
particularly the second half, with all the breakdowns that they were having in that
game. Fair enough, all good points, all good points, Jeff,
Jeff, We're going to the conference championship games here, and I'm gonna have
you. I'm gonna have you we didn't got we didn't get our impressive team
of the week. Oh you're right. I almost forgot about that. Yeah
yeah, oh yeah, I was forgot about that. Go ahead give us
that. Thanks for the reminder. Man. You know, I'm gonna I'm
gonna hit one. I'm gonna hit a couple quick ones here. I'm gonna
let you take Virginia Tech. Super impressed with the way they came out against
Virginia. Really liked the way NC State has played the second half of the
season. I mean, I'm not so sure they might not be the second
best team in the conference right now, you know, having MJ. Morris,
you know, call it kind of quits on the season for whatever's personal
reasons and having to go back to Brennan Armstrong and NC State became the team
we thought they were capable of. And and you know, there's not many
nine and three teams out there in the country that are playing better right now
than than NC State. And you know, a little bit of a shout
out to Florida State, you know, having to go into the swamp with
Tate Rodamacker at quarterback, falling behind twelve oho to Florida and really looking like
they might be overwhelmed, you know by the moment playing in that environment,
and then Florida State, you know, really dominates and controls the second half
of that game, wins kind of wins, going away with great defense,
and you know, they could have led a truly wonderful, you know season
slip away down there in Florida. But you know, they showed a lot
of guts, a lot of heart, I think, going into too Florida
and winning that game, and we know Florida's not great. I'm not trying
to say that, but you know, you went in the swamp, you
know, in front of that front of that crowd, after falling behind with
your backup quarterback and sometimes third changed quarterback because he got knocked out for a
little while, and you still come out of there with a victory and a
victory that where you're going away in the fourth quarter and that that's pretty impressive
to me. Definitely. Now I'll say these words about Virginia Tech. I
did not think that Virginia Tech was gonna blow the doors off of Virginia like
that. I'm shocked at that. That was the most points by either team,
Jeff in the history of the Commonwealth Cup. Ever, and I didn't
think that Virginia Tech would get five hundred yards of offense. And I didn't
think that Virginia Tech. I mean, Virginia Tech had multiple sacks that day.
And Jeff, do you know that Virginia Tech is leading the acc and
quarterback sacks? I didn't know that, yes, thirty eight. I mean,
in some cases, I felt like this year was a it was kind
of a return to defenses of old in certain games. Now certainly is there's
the unbalanced schedule, right that Virginia Tech didn't play a couple of couple of
teams this year, but they still got to they still got to you know
what they got. They got sacks in every game, and they still got
to NC State's quarterback. They still got you know, I always wonder,
I'm telling you, man, I'm always I always wonder if Drones would have
started the entire year, how many more wins Virginia Tech would have had if
you would have started the entire year. But we know going in the next
year, the drones is going to be the starter for sure, you know,
And so you know they have a majority of the line, the defensive
line coming back next year, the corners can come back, Jeff. I
mean, this is going to be a pretty deep team. It's you know,
they'll have to make a couple additions to the defensive line. They'll make
it have to. You know, they look like the offensive line looks like
it's starting to come together. But they probably could go to the portal for
a couple of players. But they have the skilled players that they need.
I mean, next year could be good. You know, it could be
a good season for Virginia Tech. So I hold some hopeful optimism. But
I mean, they played as well as I've seen Virginia Tech play in a
long time. I think they probably sands a turnover, Jeff. They probably
could have come away with seven more points in that game. They probably could
have had sixty two points, but they fumbled, not fumbled. Yeah,
if they fumbled close to the end zone and within within the five yard line,
which stopped to drive, but they probably could have had seven more points.
I mean, I guess it. You've got these lessons, right.
Tony Elliott talked about lessons, so I thought it was kind of funny,
and a couple of players say that he said, you know, it was
a teachable moment for a few players to come out and you know, wrap
their mouthfots saying that they're going to win, right, But you know,
and perhaps nobody will do that next year, because I'm sure that was all
over the bulletin board in Blacksburg, and I'm sure that's all they heard the
entire the entire week, you know. So anyway, it was fun to
watch. They exceeded my you know, I think with two teams, right,
Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech were picked near the bottom of the ACC both
Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech are are going to be in Tier two bowls if
I'm not mistaken. Jeff, Yeah, they should. I think what did
the final standings? I think had Georgia Tech with Virginia Tech. So both,
yes, both teams could I think be in Tier two bowls. So
for example, I don't think Virginia Tech or Georgia Tech will be in the
Military Bowl. Jeff, I mean they, I mean the Military Bowl could
have an option for him, but I don't think they'll be up here in
d C. And I'll you know, I'm sure the organizers of the Military
Bowl would love to have Virginia Tech or Georgia Tech, you know, because
of you know, obviously, Georgia Tech has a prior coach that's affiliated with
the Naval Academy and Virginia Tech. This is where the largest alumni chapter is.
I'm sure they'd love to have people up here, and that's always you
know, Annapolis is a great place. But Tier two Bowl would put Virginia
Tech in the Duke Baio Bowl, Duke Mayo, you know, that's what
you know, Virginia Tech is eligible for that, but you know, and
they know that Virginia Tech will fill the seats there. I suspect, Jeff,
I'm you know, you can probably speak for the Georgia Tech alumni fan
base, but I'm sure some of your alumni fan base would love to see
a ball game in Uh yeah, definitely. Most of the projections have Georgia
Tech going to the Pinstripe Bold to play either either Rutgers or Northwestern. So
we'll see if it really turns out that way. So they wouldn't for I
couldn't. I can't remember, so it wouldn't be I can't remember the tie
in because I haven't seen it, but Champs Sports not part of her maybe
some whatever I there's maybe there's some other name now instead of that one.
But is there is there a Florida tie in before or after Christmas? Yeah,
the former Champs Bowl. I think that's the Cheeses Bowl now. And
you know we also got Notre Dame in the mix for the for the bowl
agreements as well with the a c C. You know, you've got NC
State UH in that mix as well. And I've seen some projections of Clemson
in the Gator Bowl or the Holiday Bowl, you know, matching up with
a DJ in Oregon State again, that would be interesting. So I think
there's still quite a few things that can happen, especially with Florida State and
Louisville. If Florida State you know, beats Louisville, winds the ACC and
goes to the playoff, Louisville goes to the Orange Bowl. If louis Will
wins that game, you know, then that probably drops Florida State UH down
from the Orange Bowl where they're having to hope for an at large bid to
a New Year six. So still still a lot that can that can happen
here with with where the teams end up, definitely, I just saw one
with Georgia Tech too in uh in the Mail Bowl, which would be probably
a new place for Georgia Tech. Yes, yeah, I'm not aware they've
had And if they do end up in Charlotte, that would be one that
I would take in. That's just you know, a ninety minute drive for
me. That would be That would be That would be a good That would
be a good one. So, you know, New York, New York,
any of those would be cool. I mean, you get the exposure
of being in New York, you know, and that you know, Virginia
Tech was up there before you get you know, getting the exposure of being
up and there would be really cool. So I I think I think that
would be I think that would be fun. That would be fun to see.
What is it? It would be fun to see Georgia Tech and the
pop Tarts Bowl. That's the name of it now, the pop Tarts Bull,
the Bob Turrets Bull. I like that. Very cool. Jeff,
Okay, so we're gonna I'm gonna change the question around here just a little
bit because we're gonna talk about those could be upset. We're just gonna run
through and do the picks on the championship games. So give me just a
second, Jeff, because I want to bring this up. I want to
bring this up and have you run through all. We're gonna do a lightning
round here on all the championship games that are happening happening next week, you
ready, Jeff, Just a lightning round and I'll read them off to you.
We got the Conference USA championship game. You've got New Mexico State.
This is the ten and three Aggies, right, I mean this is this
is Jerry Kill's team. Remember he was like an offensive quality control assistant for
Virginia Tech. He's also the former Minnesota Gophers head football coach. They're taking
on twelve and old Liberty. Who do you got there, Jeff? Bet
do sleep on New Mexico State. Just ask Auburn what they think of New
Mexico State and the three TD beating they took at Jordan Hare two weeks ago.
Everyone wants to talk about, like, hey, great win for Alabama
winning at Jordan Hare. Yeah, two weeks ago, New Mexico State ran
Auburn out of their home stadium. So don't sleep on New Mexico State.
But you know Liberty playing, you know, near Virginia in Virginia also really
good team. I'll still take Liberty in that one. Okay, well,
you know what, we agree on most things. But I'm going to take
New Mexico State today, Jeff, there you go, Hey, No,
I mean no problem with that. I will I will take New Mexico State
because I think Jerry Kill is a better coach than the Liberty coach. That's
my personal opinion. He'll have them prepared and ready to go. Oklahoma State
taking on Texas. I don't think Oklahoma State is is a good really that
good of a football team. They lost by forty d u CF they they
they're an inflated eight and three. It's hard to see Texas losing that game.
Texas comes out of that one with a win, and there's a big
twelve, big twelve champ, very good Sir s MU taking on the number
twenty three two Lane Green Wave Man. That is a fun game. That's
a fun game of the of the under radar. You know, SMU people
talk about, oh, you know, you know, coming into the ACC
they're ten and two and they're pretty decent. Two Lane has been one of
the best group of five teams out there. I'm still gonna, you know,
take two lane in this in this game. But that should be a
pretty fun one. I'm with you, and I'm with you on your pick
too. Uh So, I'd say we're gonna start to get into some of
the afternoon games here, afternoon games coming up Jet cand Alabama. That should
be a l of the game. Yeah, that that should be pretty That
should be a good game. We haven't talked about what Georgia Tech did with
Georgia. And you know, the game was probably never really in doubt,
but but Georgia Tech exposed some things along the defensive front of Georgia. They
ran for two hundred yards against them, and that wasn't a smoking mirrors type
thing either. They pushed Georgia around quite a bit. Nobody had run for
two hundred yards on Georgia. It's only happened one time in like the last
six five or six years since twenty eighteen. And and Alabama can run the
ball. Both teams have issues, I think defensively against more physical teams.
Alabama got pushed. Alabama got pushed around a lot as well by Auburn.
It took a miracle play for them to beat to beat Auburn in a game
they were really outplayed. So yeah, this is a tough one to call.
I think Georgia gets brought boers back for that game, and some a
couple of they're injured offensive players. So I feel like George is still gonna
come out of there with a win. Guess what, I'm going to take
Alabama to win that game. You can happen George is not invincible, that's
fact. I'm taking Alabama to win that game. I'm taking Alabama to win
that game. I feel, I feel, I feel that they're actually gonna
win. And the points. How's that Alabama and the points I feel I
feel, I feel, I feel, I feel Nick is going to be
hungry coming into that game. And like you said, I mean, I
think you brought up a really good point, Jeff. I mean, and
we talked about this on Twitter. I mean, Georgia Tech took Georgia,
the defending national champions of the wire, I mean pretty much to the wire.
That game was pretty That game was close. Yeah, it was a
It was a competitive game, and at the line of scrimmage, Georgia Tech
offensively held their own against Georgia's defensive front. You know, nobody had run
for more yards on Georgia the entire season than Georgia Tech did, And like
you said, Nick Saban took some notes there on what Georgia Tech was doing.
And as good a runner as Haines King is, and he's an excellent
runner. Milroe, the quarterback at Alabama is one of the elite dual threat
quarterbacks in all of college football. I mean he he can really do some
things with his mobility, and I guarantee Nick Saban took notes on what Georgia
Tech did against Georgia. Got it, man, you got it? Okay?
So we got three more games, and this is the evening segment.
These are all the eight o'clock games, Jeff, Let's go to the big
ten. Michigan takes on Iowa. That's twelve and Oh Wolverines, who I
finally am. I'm finally going to say they deserve to get in, but
only if they beat Iowa, which I think they probably will handle it.
I'm not sure if Iowall cross his midfield four times in this game between their
completely inapt offense, I don't know. They're probably the worst two loss team
I've ever seen that I can remember at this point in the season. For
being ten and two. Michigan is absolutely going to wallop them. I'm with
you. I'm with you. So takes on Florida State. This is ten
and two. Louisville takes on Florida State. A Louisville team that's pretty healthy,
that's probably smarting from the week week before. They're probably a little bit
upset, and they're taking out of Florida State. It doesn't have its starting
quarterback. Yeah, I still like Florida State in this game. If Jordan
Travis was playing, I would have Florida State as a prohibitive favorite. Louisville
can win this game, but I think one of the under the not you
know, talked about enough things with Florida State is earlier in the year,
their defense was prone to give up some big plays. But they're really playing
well right now that defense. They haven't given up thirty points to anyone in
their schedule, and I mean they're holding teams to ten to twenty points.
And you know, Louisville can do some things offensively, but I don't think
they can do enough against Florida State to come out of there with a with
a win. I really don't like their headspace, you know, coming off
the second half against Kentucky, and I think Florida State got a huge boost
of confidence winning in the swamp, not playing well in the especially in the
first half, playing really poorly, and still having you know, pulling away
in the second half. I think you know that going into that ACC championship
game, they're on a mission. They're playing for a playoff spot. I
like Florida State in that one. Good pick, good pick. I think
I think so too. I think so too. I think Florida State knows
that the motivation there is that they know they're out at the college football playoff
if they lose. And more on that. More on that in our segment
in the open mic for fun. Here's the last one. Here's the last
one, Jeff. Oregon plays Washington in the PAC twelve title game, and
Washington seems like it's had nine lives all year, but they've been scraping by
the last few games. And I just saw the points spread here Oregon.
Oregon is favored by nine and a half points. Yeah, that's a huge
point spread for a game like that. I'm not so sure Oregon's not the
best team in all the college football They're a complete they're a complete team.
I think Washington is great. I think Pennix is a fantastic quarterback. But
oh, it's it's really tough to see Oregon lose into them. I mean,
if Washington knocks off Oregon two times in a row, I mean,
that's going to really say something about their team. But I think Oregon wins.
You know, that's probably is going to be the best game of the
day because here's the thing. Oregon still doesn't have great defensive backs and that's
the you know, and and I feel like Washington will be able to you
know, will be able to score. I agree with you. I think
Oregon probably will win that game. I do have a question to ask ask
you, Jeff. And I don't know if you saw it, if you
saw it live like I did, but I I but you may have seen
the replay on Twitter. Do you remember that fourth and one at the forty
or what where Washington? Did you see the play call where they went for
it against Wazuo fourth and one? No? No, I didn't. I
didn't see to play my Heaven's Jeff, everybody in the stadium thought it was
going thought the quarterback was going to run the ball up the middle. Well,
I'll find a video of it after we're done and you can see it.
But they basically disguised it, hit it behind and the running back goes
to that goes nobody knew who had the ball. Nobody knew who had the
ball, the running back. They flipped it back to the running back,
who flipped it to the wide receiver and he went ran around to the left
side, ran around the left side and basically not only I mean they totally
deeped out the announcers and everybody in the crowd. I mean, it was
really one of the best plays I've seen in college football this year because nobody
knew where the football was. I mean, it was just I mean,
de Beers has just done a hell of a job at Washington this year.
And if you know his background, I mean he was at the University of
Sioux Falls in South Dakota. He had won some anii A national championships,
he won, he won several There a lot of a lot of people,
in fact, think that University of Sous Falls is gonna, you know,
is going to be the next one to move up to the to the FCS
ranks, just like Saint Thomas did in Minnesota and then, you know,
and then eventually move up to FBS football. But he you know, then
he went to and resuscitated the program at Indiana, right, won all the
games there, and that's where he got his quarterback. He got his quarterback
Phoenix to transfer to Washington, you know. And so he's just done a
heck of a job. But that play call, when we're done with this
podcast, will send it to you on Twitter because it was It literally was
the best one of the best play calls I've seen this year. And I
mean, you know, you've got to pull those grab but you know,
those tricks out of your hat when you're making a run, right, Jeff,
I mean you've got to you know, you're going to have some calls
that go in your favor that maybe not necessarily should go in your favor.
You and I have talked about this before, Lady, Luck's got to be
on your side, right and and and you know Washington's had a lot of
that this year. You've got to have you got to have some luck when
you have a run. And it can't all it can't always be like we're
the most dominating team in the world, right, You've got it. I
mean, Alabama's certainly had its share of luck going through when it won,
it won titles, when it wasn't that great, when there were questionable calls
and things like that. But you know that certainly has helped out Washington.
But I'm certainly with you, Jeff, I think that's gonna be that's gonna
be a challenging row. I think to hold the to hoe there as they
say for Washington, and I think I'm with you. I'm thinking with you
that Oregon's gonna win that game. So man, let's do this here.
I mean, you've got your second half of the ACC Awards to ACC coaches.
I mean, you wrote about some folks that had a pluses this year
on the block, so I when to have you make you make sure you
get a chance to advertise that here. But I mean, who do you
think coached with a B grade or higher on the four point four point scale
here? Second half of the season, Jeff, Yeah, I read an
article today on who I gave a plus is two in the second half of
the season, and and or we'll say, you know, I put it
as November, which you can slide it out there, but definitely in the
second half, you know, Mike Norvel Florida State. He's keeping the train
going for the Knowles. Even with the loss of Jordan Travis hadn't lost a
game and still truck trucking along, you know, keeping that team, you
know, together, motivated, really a tough environment, hostile environment down in
Florida, and they win that game. Dave Dorin, you know we've been
tough on him on this podcast in the past, but he's just done a
fantastic job this year in the second half of the season, with the changing
quarterback, the lack of Playmacker Beyden, Laker's on his offense and that defense.
Peyton Wilson, you know, he's an All American. Has just been
fantastic and you know they've played some of the best second half football in the
ACC this season. Dabo Sweeney, I don't know if you can give him
a plus for the whole second half because he had lost a couple of games
at the end of October. But I mean for a team that was four
and four, two and four in the ACC at that time, and for
them to finish the season, you know, knocking off ranked Notre Dame,
a Georgia Tech team that's played well themselves, in the second half, blew
them out. North Carolina was ranked, you know, beat them, and
then go on the road and beat South Carolina. You know, to avenge
last year's loss without scoring an offensive touchdown and winning your final four games.
I mean, I think you got to give Dabos Sweeney at least an a
minus for the second half, if you know, he had the early losses
in the first part of the second half of the season, but also done
a real good job. And then the other two coaches, you know,
are pretty much in the same category of trying to re bill their programs.
But Brent pry And and Brent Key, uh, you know, it was
no guarantee they were gonna make bowl games, and for both of them,
it came down to the final two weeks of the season to get bowl eligible,
which was the most tangible sign of progress for either either program. And
you know, they they mission accomplished. You know, Georgia Tech got Bowl
eligible last week against Syracuse and and Virginia Tech gets Bowl eligible this past week.
And so you know, they weren't perfect in the second half, but
no one expected that, but they did what they needed to do to get
to get bowl eligible. You know, you know, and both took some
some you know, kind of ugly losses early in the season. So I
mean, I think you got to give both of them at least bees.
Uh in that regard to and I'll still give Jeff Brom you know, a
bee despite the loss to Kentucky. Key, it wasn't a shoe in that
they were going to get to the ACC title game, and they did what
they needed to do to end up in Charlotte. Uh. I can't give
them an a after, you know, losing the game to to Kentucky.
But he's definitely in the B range as well. Just a minor shout out
to the interim coach too with Syracuse for at least getting his team to the
bowl. And you know, I say, when when Babers is gone,
you know you've got you could have a team collapse, and he he found
a way to get them a win and get them to a bowl. And
I think, if I'm not mistaken, Jeff, eleven ACC Bowl teams.
That's what I think, right, Yeah, yep, eleven. That's pretty
That's that's pretty darn good. That's pretty darn good. So today, Jeff,
who are your who are your four teams? In the College Football Playoff
and see them. Yeah, if I'm seeing them today, uh, you
know, and the margin is not big, this is not overwhelming, but
I would I probably have Georgia number one, number one, Michigan to Washington,
UH at three and and Florida State at four today. I think I
think it's fair. But I you know what, I'm still don't. I
still think Washington should be ahead of Michigan because they play a boltload of ranked
teams, you know what I mean. I mean, I'm just at some
point we got to start saying the scheduled me the schedule means something, right,
Yeah, I'm I'm with you there. But but as the teams in
the Pac twelve, you know, if fewer and few of them are are
remaining ranked, which which puts into question, you know, especially now that
Michigan does have that win over Ohio State, which we'll give them credit for,
and you know some of the wins Georgia has. I mean, the
margin is is fairly thin. And if someone had Washington won UH and and
Georgia two and Michigan two and Georgia three, I wouldn't really argue with any
of them at at the moment, fair enough, fair enough, open microphone
sim what do you got for ust? Jeff? Yeah, yeah, this
almost seems like I don't even almost waste time on this because it's it's so
ridiculous. But the discussion of Florida State not making the playoff as an undefeated
team, which seems to keep coming up for some just completely unknown reason to
me, it just it just defies logic that that someone after, especially after
this weekend, can make arguments, you know, that that teams are that
far apart. I mean, I know what we saw this weekend. Washington
you know, came within an eyelash of losing to Washington State, a not
good Washington State team. We saw Alabama very nearly lose to Auburn, should
have lost, and we've already taught about this was an Auburn team that lost
by three touchdowns a week before to New Mexico State. Georgia did not look
you know, they're not invincible. It wasn't quite as close for them against
Georgia Tech, but it was a competitive game and they had they showed vulnerabilities
in that game. So you know, when you start getting into that discussion
and saying, oh, well, Florida straight struggled against Florida when in actuality
they may have been more impressive than any of those three teams on the weekend.
It's gotten to the point of just like complete lunacy now to me that
that can even come up, and if you even want to dig deeper,
I mean, ACC teams finished with a renning record against the SEC this year
six and four. I mean, I'm not saying the ACC is, you
know, much better than the SEC in any way, but you can't make
the argument the other way. I mean, you played ten times against each
other. That's a lot of games, and you know, when one has
a winning record versus the other, there's no other metric then you can use
more than head to head. And the ACC also had a winning record against
the Big Ten, who some people are still trying to argue Michigan and Ohio
State into the playoffs. So you have an ACC that went ten and seven
against the Big Ten and the SEC, and you're trying to argue their champion
may not belong. You know, if Florida State wins is just I can't
describe it anything other than complete lunacy. If you even if you're suggesting Florida
State doesn't belong in the playoff if they beat Louisville. You just don't watch
college football. There's no other explanation for it, because you can't say Alabama
is much better, or when we know what happened against Auburn, you can't
say Georgia is invincible that if they were to lose to Alas is another point
of discussion. If Alabama beats Georgia and it's likely Alabama's going to be seventh
or eighth, I don't think you can really argue that Georgia should stay in
the top four because they've They've had a number of close games against you know,
not elite teams. They barely beat Auburn, they struggled with a bad
South Carolina team, and Georgia Tech, you know, got him into the
fourth quarter. So we can't say Georgia has been so dominating during the course
of the entire season that if they were to lose to the team that is
ranked seventh, that they shouldn't fall out. Yeah, I definitely don't want
to hear a discussion, you know, if the final spot, if Alabama
does win and Texas wins. It's also completely ridiculous that someone would suggest Alabama
should be in over Texas. Amen, you cannot argue that in any way.
When Texas right and it was a lopsided of a ten point game as
you could have, they absolutely dominated Alabama in that in that game, And
it doesn't matter when you play it. Either the games matter or they they
don't matter. So there's a couple of things that just absolutely make no sense
to me. One that the discussion of Florida State being left out if they
win out, you know, any any argument for having Alabama over Texas if
it comes down between those two and and anyone that you know, I might
rank Washington third, But now you try to tell me Washington beats Oregon that
they are automatic, you know, you automatically put them behind Georgia and Michigan.
That it's not an automatic. I mean, you can make an argument
for Washington being a one or two seed. There's no one in the country
who have two better wins than beaton Oregon, who I think might be the
best team in all of college football. So I don't know if what's going
on it's just people trying to have talking points or trying to create discussions,
but it's just I think there's a media war between ESPN, the ESPN families,
right, Disney and Fox because they're just trying to talk these things up
because you know, Fox owns the Big ten right now, right, And
so I think maybe there is something to that, because I think that there's
no other reason. But the other thing that makes the other thing is that
sort of air up the other thing. I'll get this part of my open
microphone. You and I have talked about this multiple times, blogged about it
multiple times. If you are in undefeated FBS Power five team, how many
times have you been left out of that national title or that college football playoff
game? Jeff? How many times have you been left out? It hasn't
happened. And it definitely, you know, can't happen here, or there'd
be no explanation for it won't because it won'ts. It won'ts. I mean,
just a discussion of it is mind boggling to me. We'll have to
we'll have to make sure we have a few words about that because like,
the fact is that in our scenario that we described here, I mean,
even even back to the Bowl Alliance, if I'm not mistaken, is that
correct? I mean, it's probably all the way back to that. If
I'm not mistaken, Jeff, I think the last time early two thousands when
when undefeated Auburn got left out there were three undefeated teams. Was usc H
that was Auburn team that beat Virginia Tech. If I'm not mistaken, Yeah
they were, Yeah, that is right, and it was usc was one
of the undefeated teams. Maybe was it Texas. I'd have to go back,
and I mean it's ridiculous. I mean, it's just something that doesn't
happen. Is our is our point, and it's not going to happen this
time around. Because I can tell you if I'll be I'll be blunt.
And when I say this, Jeff, if if if Florida State is left
out, I can tell you I rarely get political on this podcast. Ron
DeSantis will start talking about this, you know, from he's running for president.
He will start talking about this, you know what I mean. And
other people will talk about it from and you know, they they talk about
it from an FTC perspective, right, Federal Trade Commission, because the Federal
Trade Commission, I think was I mean, people were threatening to take the
college football playoff to the FTC had there not been thesetional playoff spots that were,
you know, put out there at the twelve and you know, so
that's you know, something like that. I think something like that would happen
if an undefeated f S you got left out. I'm very certain of that,
Jeff. And and and it should because it would it would come defy
any explanation, uh whatsoever. I saw someone post I'm gonna leave that that
that a Twitter account nameless because I think it's a terrible, awful account anyways,
but I actually saw the Twitter. I don't even follow him, but
I got it. Reposted Jeff no boomers, Jeff, I'm not saying who
is not only person I saw big game Boomers undefeated f S you get left
out? I saw that. Yeah, and I'm sure he got I'm sure
f S two f SU. Twitter was like, let's come after this guy,
you know what I mean? So I'm sure his mentions were were crazy,
right because he just visited Blacksburg this year. Jeff, did you he
visited blink? I saw that somewhere. I don't follow him, it popped
up on my timeline. He used to follow me and then I deleted that
Twitter account, but he used to follow me on Twitter, and you know,
we kind of helped him get going. He likes the Blacksburg folks.
He thinks that Virginia Tech should replace van or built the SEC. But you
know, look, we're all, but we're all we're all locked into this
this uh, this ACC grant of rights media thing. So everybody's going to
be here for a while, and so are Jeff. So are Jeff and
I here at All Sports Discussion dot com as we block up a walk and
talk about the ACC. Jeff, any closing thoughts before we depart tonight.
No, I think I think we've covered it all. I think the a
SEC championship game, you know, this is what they've been trying to get
for a while, an ACC championship game with two top twenty teams, playoff
implications on the line. I expect Florida State to win, but I also
expect a competitive game. I mean, uh, Louisville at times has played
with an extremely high ceiling outside of Florida State. I think they they at
times have played as you know, as high as anyone in the ACC.
It's a matter of their consistency. But you know, I'm looking forward to
that game. I do think Alabama and Georgia is going to be great.
I think Oregon Washington will be absolutely fantastic. And I can't watch. That's
what I will be watching. That's what, Jeff, that is the one
I will be watching. Yeah, you can watch you know why. I'll
tell you what. I'll make you a deal. You can watch the Florida
State Louisville one and all. Yeah, you'll probably want to watch both.
But I really plan to watch Oregon and Washington wire to wire because I really
want to see if Washington can do it. That's that's the best. That's
the best quarterback matchup you'll see, uh anywhere in the country. Pennix and
bow Nicks. That'll be fantastic. It will be fun. It will be
fun, Jeff. It was fun talking that. We talked for an hour.
It was fun. We don't do this and have a great week.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Yeah you too. All right,
take care, I have a great week next week. Bye.