Welcome to this edition of The Highest Strangeness Factor, copyrighted on the Paranoble UK
radio network. I am your host, Steve Ward, along with Andy Mercer.
Andy and I have been doing these kinds of shows and exploring the unknown
with high quality guests for over five years. Now tonight will be no exception.
Andy, Welcome back to the show. Yes, it's good to be
back. We had an extra show out if you remember results well quickly plugged
that it was currently a show out of able on all the various platforms where
I recorded the weekend with a very good figure friend of mine who has written
a book on witchcraft, and his name is Richard Ward. Again we've established
no relation, but I dony think it's quite interesting both have the same surname.
So I have done the litil show of my own, just me and
my friend, the High Strangers Factor. I think possibly for the first time
ever. I've got a vague notion I may have done one in the past,
but I think it was just we've done some reruns of shows you've done
before, but this might be a new one. This is the first time
I think, on my loo I'm doing a show without you and we didn't
mention John Keel once. That's quite well. I'm sorry I can't. I
can't approve that show. But yeah, now before we talk about your publishing
company, I want to bring Susie in here. Susie Best Deal the pug
Wedgy Whisper is returning as a guest co host. Welcome back, Susie.
It's nice to be here. Thanks for having me. And we are only
here because he has access to Streamyard. We were not able to get the
whole gang together with Scope, so there you go. Someone has to keep
the old man in line with the technology. So that's what I'm here for.
A very good Well anyway, Eddie, tell us about your publishing company.
Yes, indeed, my company, Ninth Circle Press. This is the
second book we are producing, which is my friend Richard's book on Essex Witchcraft,
which will be available and it should be right now. But I have
a little bit of an issue with my printers. Well, actually the printers
are fine, it's the delivery company. I should have approximately four hundred books
in front of me and I've got one, only one, which is rather
anoying. They were due to be delivered today but they are hopefully coming tomorrow.
So as soon as they have arrived, they'll be available through Ninth Circle
Press dot co dot uk website can be ordered from there. But I'm very
pleased with this book. Say, it's a fascinating not just an overview of
Essex based witchcraft, but it also goes into some very important material to do
with a very famous supposed essets which called George picking Gill, who we pretty
much established never existed or at least wasn't the magician you were supposed to be.
You know, that's that's probably nothing to you guys, but to those
in the occult world, it's quite important. This guy has been seen has
been a very major figure in the world of witchcraft. In actual factor,
it's very much a myth. It's been a misattributed work of somebody else.
So that's really important element of my friend's book. We want to get that
out there. So that's the main thrust of the interview we did at last
weekend, which is currently available on the network for people to have listened to.
We also talk about it for the bits and pieces. But yeah,
so it's all going rather well, apart from me let down by my people
from the printers, which is very very annoying. You need well, very
good, and you're able to do more shows now because you had, you
had what some people would call a real job before. Well, yes,
it was. It was a little difficulty to well, i'd say difficult when
it was always possible because I was working as a psychotherapist and I see clients
what I chose to maybe in the afternoon, so I could do quite late
nights. But now I am just the publisher and writer and set my own
diary completely, and obviously I was helped sort of held to the times I
could work with whatever client's available, But now I could do work whenever I
like, although I've got to get up the top rather early tomorrow morning to
get these bloody books be delivered, so I might be sort of drifting in
the nation a little bit tonight because early I was not ready this morning waiting
for the delivery and didn't turn it up, so up again tomorrow morning.
So maybe a bit sleepy, but I still do my best to soldier on
and suiously tell us about what you what you do and your Facebook pages.
So I have my YouTube channel, the Puckuajy Whisper, which we do a
lot of stuff there that's a lot about puckwagies obviously, but also some weird
or dark local history as well as some dispelling myths about certain creatures, ye,
and even myths about history as well. And we have the Paranormal Book
Club on Facebook and on YouTube now, which you guys joined me with.
Thank you very much for that. And our first book was The Mothband Prophecies.
And the second book, although there's not a scheduled date for the podcast,
is The Passport to Magonia by Jacques Belake. Yes, I'm really excited
about doing that. This is my first time reading that one, unlike Mothman
Prophecies, which was a reread for me. So that should be a good
one. Okay, well, very good. Well let's get our guests introduced
here after the hair raising battle we had just trying to get everybody on.
Joe Purdue is a US Air Force veteran West Virginia master naturalist, field investigator,
chef, and sculpture not sculptor, a sculpture. I mean that sculpture
a sculptor, Get that straight. He's very mobile. He's also co founder
of the West Virginia High Strangers Collective, which was awarded the twenty twenty two
Bigfoot Researchers of the Year Award in January of twenty twenty three. He also
co owns Wild and Weird West Virginia, LLC and is a host on Wild
and Weird Radio. Ron Lanham is a published three D digital artist, photographer,
videographer, a painter, a ufologist, and paranormal investigator. He's also
co founder of the West Virginia High Strangers Collective and co owns Wild and Weird
West Virginia and on the same Wild and Weird radio show with Joe Purdue.
They have combined their unique skills and years of experience to bring a data driven
scientific approach to high strangeness field research there. All the data goes on the
table. Approach has led them down paths that tend to be shined away from
as they search for answers to various bizarre phenomena that's taking place in our world,
from flesh and blood creatures to strange lights in the sky. They present
the data for you to make up your own mind about what's going on out
there. Their research has been featured in various publications small Town Monster Productions,
Animal Planet, Discovery, and have also worked as consultants for Productions on Travel.
They are both experiencers of various types of unexplained phenomena. Joe and Ron,
welcome finally to the High Strangeness Factor. Thanks for having us. Well,
yeah, thanks for having us guys. Well, you know where to
begin? How did I guess? I guess we'll just talk about how each
one of you got into this. I mean, we all have our own
stories about how we got here. So tell us what brought you into this
strange field? And by the way, how long have you guys known each
other? Well, we've known each other for a very long time. It
started off me going into a pet shop that Ron worked at whenever I was
in high school, buying fish and all that stuff. Then later I was
running a catering operation and stopping by and hanging out. Eventually turned out into
dropping off leftover food and hanging out with everybody and unboxing fish, and then
they wound up hiring me, and that was that. I was what two
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, I think Ron, yeah,
somewhere on in there. Yeah, yeah. Had you guys been interested in
the parent ormal were finaled any of this before you met each other? Oh?
I had been. Yeah, I'd had multiple you know experiences, and
by that point, i'd done multiple I guess experiments, uh to kind of
val date for myself some of the things that were going on. But I
also walked away from the field a bit at before this, and I was
just starting to go back into it, and I think we I think I
was starting to found a ghost watch somewhere around in that point, and that's
that was the group that I co founded with a friend of mine, and
that was more of a paranormal kind of ghost centric kind of research endeavor.
It didn't really deal with anything else other than that, and it was pretty
good. We documented stuff. I learned a lot from that, and it's
kind of what we still do with what we're doing today. So it kind
of set the presidents for all that. So did you get Joe interested in
this field? Wow? Did I Joe? Or were you were already interested?
Yeah? You know, i'd had a big foot encounter back in two
thousand and one, and I'd grown up with all of the you know,
typical TV accoutermen that everyone else had, where you know, you were watching
sightings or you're watching in search of and X files and all that stuff,
and my grandmother in one of my sixth grade or seventh grade science teacher,
he they've really fostered that interest in strange phenomena, but I wasn't able to
really do a whole lot with it. I was a minister for the bulk
of my adult life just up until here in the last five years and early
on. With that, you know, you're not going to you're not going
to get up and talk about that stuff with folks just because you don't want
to get pinned in a place that you don't want to be in. You
know, you want to be the guy that people would ask to come and
speak, or you want to be the guy that has the decent sized congregation
that's coming so that way you can keep the lights on at the church.
And the last thing you need to do that is, oh, yeah,
the pastor likes UFOs or the pastor likes Bigfoot. Now, if that was
to day when when this was going on back in the you know, around
but well two thousand and six and forward, if we would put that benchmark
to today's standard, it would probably be a little bit different. But back
then it was not the same world we live in today. No, I
pretty much be the same. So are you both native West Virginians. Yeah,
yeah, okay, I'm just an interloper. But you know, I
don't have the accent yet, but I'm working on it. I bounced around
a little bit, but always came back. And so what how did you
guys conceive of putting this this group together? I mean, how did it
all evolve? Because, oh, well, you can you can give the
reader's digest version. Oh boy, well, if I recall correctly, you
can you can, uh, you can insert wherever Joe. But if I
recall correctly, we were already involved in the reptile breeding community. We were
we were doing some really we we're we're probably one of the only paranormal research
groups that actually raised real cryptids. And we like to we like to say
that it's true. And Joe can explain here in the second what that means.
But we had already hit the road with a lot of that. We've
been doing those kind of things. And we went down to the Mathman Festival
and I think that was twenty was it sixteen or yeah, it was twenty
sixteen. It was sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen, I think it was.
And we were we were down there just kind of looking and stuff.
I've been there before. I was at the very first one, and I
went for a few years just you know, sporadically. But this first time
we went together. So we went down and we were looking at some of
the stuff that some you know, these these artists were doing, and I'm
like, oh my goodn'ess, we can we can do this, you know.
So next year we actually, uh we submitted and we didn't get in
uh at first because it was full, right, I mean that's that's how
it works, right, And it was like, okay, well that's cool,
and uh so we went and did another little thing. What was that
thing called Joe Creature Weekend? Oh, it was before Creature Weekend. That
was little est yackfest. Yeah, we did the act Fest. That was
our first. I think it was a kayaking festival. Yeah, and uh
we're really good though. There's a lot of people who came up and started
telling us their stories and stuff, and at that point I'm like, oh
boy, this is this is gonna be this is gonna be different. And
like you said, we did a Creature Weekend and right after that it was
literally I think a month's notice. We got the phone call, uh that
there was a spot opened up at Mothman, and it was a no brainer
at that point. Yeah, we're taking it. And we haven't looked back,
you know, I don't think. And you guys are regulars there now
every year, sitting up all there every week. I think, Yeah,
we've been down there about every gosh what every two weeks at least. I'd
say, yeah, you should tell a little bit about how you've been been
helping Jeff Wansley. You know, I say the sun never sets on the
Wansley Empire. No, I mean, he's got he's got the moth Band
Museum, he's got the Point Pleasant Trading Company in the down the street a
little bit. He's got Bunker three or four, which is kind of a
vinyl shot with all kinds of cool music stuff. But he's also created uh
black Light Mothmand miniature golf, which is by the way, Andy and Susie.
It is awesome, the graphics, the design, you'll just blow,
just blow you away. But also on something that's about ready to open up
is the Escape Room, and you guys have been instrumental in helping to set
that up. Yeah, we've been we've been pretty busy with that. We've
literally we went in and reworked a lot of the puzzles and uh, you
know, we had a script to Golf of and and so we we just
kind of made things go from paper to real life and uh, pretty happy
with it. It's really uh, it's really cool to see how it all
came together and some of the props and whatnot. I guess it's ready to
go, except the air conditioning hasn't been. It's the air conditioning is fixed
now, it is fixed. We were just there the other day and it
was a nice a nice and cool seventy three degrees upstairs. Also, yeah,
and if you go and check out the mini golf, we're responsible for
that six foot ufo that's hanging out. Yeah. Oh yeah. And some
of the digital graphics that you see on the in the first room there,
those are I did some work on those as well. Well. You won't
catch me doing the escape room because they'd find me like three and a half
months later, all dehydrated, and you know, I would never be able
to work out the puzzles. But oh they're good, man, they're good.
Let's see. Uh, there's a lot of directions I can go.
But Andy, Susie, you want to step in here at all and ask
some questions? Yeah, I wanted to ask, Oh, you want to
go ahead? Any ladies? First ladies? First, Ron, you had
mentioned doing experiments to validate your own experiences. Can you elaborate on that a
little bit? Sure, my whole thing. I got drug into this literally
probably in the mid seventies or so, we'd seen there was a UFO siding.
There was a little bit i'll just do the really fast version. There's
a little bit of missing Tom that came out of this later on. You
know, there were certain patterns that started to form during during some of my
research, but I wasn't really looking at UFOs. I was looking more into
psychic phenomena, so and I still continue to do that. I think there's
a lot of a consciousness aspect to this, and I was very, very
interested in the consciousness aspect out of body experiences, just the scientific method of
this and how it works on on on such a level of you know,
brain waves and whatnot. And at some point during these I started becoming aware
that there were other things there. I got in a little bit later on
into some remote viewing kind of stuff, and it all kind of tied together.
But what it all basically acculminated in was about a four year study.
And on the fourth year there was a point where I was going to test
this, and so I did. And by testing it, what I did
as I set up a contact type experiment, because at one point I come
to the conclusion that look, there's there's either a something going on here or
this is all completely in my head. So I set up an experiment and
during that, basically I went out in the yard and I mowed this this
big basically what amounts to a cross circle in in our lower field. And
my my uncle was not not too happy with that, but not at all.
He's very proud of his lawn and uh there's this massive circle with these
bars and he's he wasn't happy. But more importantly, while I did this,
I was using, like I said, that the techniques and whatnot that
I had had come up with from the out of body research and the psychic
research, and like, you know, there's something here and this is you
know, this is, this is this and so forth. And what happened
was on the last day of the experiment, I got a I got a
message from one of my neighbors and they said, you need to come over
to our field and it it's probably about five three yards from from where I'm
mode the circle in our field. Neighbors had a massive cornfield and over to
the field and there was this considric rings of four considric rings that were about
fifty feet across. Something had had laid these things down in this field in
a concentric pattern. I looked at that, I noted the date that it
was that this occurred on, and I was like, okay, that's that's
enough for me. And at that point I'm just like I'm good. So
I walked away. I really did. I walked away from it because that's
a that's a huge joke to your belief system and take some time to recover
from that. Wow. So that's that's kind of what happened there. There's
a much longer version of that story, but it could go on forever,
trust me. But that's that's the crux of what happened, and that's what
got me out. And then of course you know later on it was about
ninety nine or two thousand or so when we saw them offman looking thing.
Right, So all this pulled me back into it at that point. And
then where Joe comes into the scene, that was at the pet shop.
People would just come up at the pet shop and they'd start telling me about
these weird things they had ghost sightings, they had seen UFOs and I'm just
like, Okay, I guess we'll do this and the rest is pretty much
history, right Joe, Yeah, you know it took off from there and
things really went and they went out from where we started as a totally different
world because it started off mostly as an art project and it really did and
talking to people and getting to getting the stories right experiences. Then it folded
into us doing far more than that. Andy before you that's your question.
Ron. You mentioned the Mothman sighting and you are featured in Small Town Monsters
The Mothman Legacy where you talk about this experience. Could you, uh,
could you tell us about, uh, what what happened? What you saw
and do you think it was the same entity or the same I don't know,
uh, manifestation of the original Mothman. I don't I don't really like
to call it Mathman Mafman like because I don't know what that is, right,
So it would be kind of wrong on me to do that about you
know, like saying, well, it's it's bigfoot. I don't know what
that is. It's something big. But there was a creature. There was
something there, but it wasn't physical. Steve, this is the weird part
about it. But what happened was we were coming home from uh visiting my
parents one night, me and my wife, and we were driving around this
area where I lived was near a graveyard. And as we come around this
one curve. Now what you don't hear in in small town monsters in the
legacy is that we had smelled roses slightly before I went around this near the
graveyard, and I thought, ooh, how weird, you know, fam
smell and and uh, I come around this curve and I slow down because
there's this this form in the road, and I hit my brakes and I'm
thinking. The first thought in my head is my god, that is a
big bird. And and then it stands up and it's not a bird.
It's something roughly that's humanoid formed, and and then it just kind of puts
its arms out. I guess they are arms. There are pindages of some
sort, and you know, these things are long, they're reaching the sides
of the road literally, and then it just in one felt swoop, pushes
these these arms straight down and as it does that, it lifts straight into
the sky, just no flapping, just shoots straight up. And uh,
it's physical because at this point there are there are twigs falling out of the
trees there, you know, there are leaves falling out of the trees where
this thing shoots up through it. And uh, I just looked at h
at my wife, and actually I think it's my girlfriend Tom, But no,
she think we weren't married. I don't know either way. No,
we weren't married a few years later, that's right, that's right, but
might as well been. But I remember hitting the gas on that car.
It was a feara it was. It was a phiarroh and that thing peeled
out there, and I don't know how we didn't get killed. I really
don't. Anyone's ever been in that road knows that it's it's kind of a
dead men's curve kind of place. And anybody that's ever been in a fierro
just they know what a is. Yeah, it's a race car pretty much.
And that thing took off and I was down the road, probably a
good quarter mile before I let up, really off the gas as much as
I could there, and we just compared notes real quickly. Did you see
Yeah, I saw it? What did it do? It? Did this?
We checked the tom and and that was it. We didn't talk about
it again. We didn't talk about it again at all for twenty something.
I think it was twenty years and I just decided to talk about it one
day and I'm like, you know what, I won't tell my story.
I don't really care. And I told the story, and I figured everybody
think it was crazy, but instead I had more people come up to me
like, oh, you've seen this thing? This this is I'm like,
I don't know what I saw. I mean, I don't I don't know
what that was, you know, but yeah, the smell of roses prior
to this, Yeah, yeah, any Eddie lights at all, any any
orbs or nothing like that, No Edi edny, any any feeling like I
mean, besides the shock I've seen. This was just unnatural. No,
it's just shock. It was just complete shock. And what's weird I always
tell people is because you know, I had seen some weird stuff. I
mean, I've seen way weirder stuff than this, you know, And there
was always that legend that, you know, my parents used to talk about
they had seen something very similar to that just a few yards away near the
graveyard when they were younger. They had ate what they called a gray ghost,
and the gray ghost appeared one day one day when they were walking through
there, and shot straight up in the air, and I'm like, okay,
it's the same thing, you know, how weird. I never considered
anything about Mothman that was That was the farthest six of my mind. It
was Linda Siegmund who came up to us at a at a show. I
think it was Cryptocon or No Creature Weekend? Were was it? Obc?
You sure one of them, there's one of them. But she comes up
and sees one of the paintings and it's like, well you've seen it,
and I'm like, I saw something. You know. I always thought Mothman
had these red eyes, so yeah, I learned later that's not really true,
but yeah, but yours sounds more like one of the sightings we had
up here in Massachusetts and the Bridgewater Triangle. Again, it went straight up
into the air, just like you described. No one. Nope, nope.
And what was weird about this thing, guys, is how I say
it's a physical I mean I heard it going through the trees, but I
couldn't see its feet. And when you look straight at this thing, the
bottom of it was kind of like undulating, like it was there and it
wasn't there. It was almost like a gaseous effect. So I don't know
what that thing was. I have no idea to this day. And Linda
Siegmund has been on the show and she's a very incredible lady. Had a
mossband like sighting with a strange light and later on had a am I being
a man, I'm black encounter. But anyway, I know Andrew, you've
had a couple of questions waiting in the wings there. Yes, one's a
little different. Really, I was quite intrigued by Joe said that you were
a former minister. Now intrigued. I mean, if it's uncomfortable talk about
it's fair enough. But how you square an interest in the panel with being
a vicar? Basically, I just over here, it would be seems quite
unusual to combine those two interests. I just wonder how that comes about.
How you work at well, anybody who actually is honest with themselves and understands
the function of faith knows that by proxy what we believe in as a paranormal
entity, supernatural being, and that goes for all faith based religions. You're
placing your faith and your potential eternity into an unseen force. And in many
cases people are experiencing these unseen forces, and we call those hauntings, or
we call those events of high strangeness. Uh, you know, it is
no more separated. If you really look at the nuts and bolts of everything,
then you know, water and fish being realistic fair enough, and so
for me, it was just it was easy to you know, make those
ends meet. But understood at the time that wasn't where the church was.
You know, you had a lot of people who they didn't even understand the
mystic sides of what they believed in and trying to wrap their mind around the
mysticism that is faith. It would almost because I'd had these conversations with people
many times over the years, because you know, I would find people who
had similar interests and I would talk to them in private, right, So
it wasn't like I was just completely backward with everything there. I would talk
with some of these folks, but it wasn't something that I'd stand up from
the poolpit and you know, declare, oh, I'd had a big foot
sighting and if you've had this kind of thing, you're not crazy kind of
stuff. I wouldn't have done anything like that, but I did have those
conversations with people behind closed doors or you know, going out to eat and
just spending time. And you know, if anything it, this type of
strange phenomena does nothing but affirm that there is some sort of unseen force.
What that is, you know, we can't really define or or put a
label to, but that there is an unseen force at play, regardless of
what we want to call it. HM. You know, recently, Susie
and I talked to Reverend Michael Carter, who is seeing Off. A great
guy. I've spoken to him a couple of times on this show. Uh
and and he's a he's an experiencer and and a and a minister and he's
uh they would call him the UFO Minister. And he's had to deal with
process a lot of uh bizarre experiences, but he has uh he seems to
have done it masterfully. Know that they to kind of pull everything together and
be at piece with themselves. So you know, you've pointed out that,
you know, maybe twenty years ago he couldn't have gotten away with that.
You know it is easily, but now sometimes these things are a little more
acceptable. Question. That was where I was going with my question kind of
in my mind. Okay, I jumped a line in the script. That's
my problem. So what was the question going to be? Andyespecially do you
know about Michael cart Andy's Unfortunately I missed that show. They didn't tell me
we're doing it, so I missed it. But I was a bit of
asked some kind of question how you square those two together? And it's interesting
that it's a more of a broader acceptance of the supernatural, paranel whatever,
So you prefer that it's definitely a more of a thing now that the idea
that you could have your faith and belief and still have an interest in what
would probably be not so seen it outside of the faith. I mean,
go back in time on further these things. Demons, you shouldn't be they're
still doing that. Don't don't get in We hear that every week. Demons,
this is a demon, This is a nephilim, But like, shall
shall I define that? When they used to do that stuff? You know,
if you're going to go by that belief system, what's it mean,
Joe? What what were you getting it? If you're going to go by
that belief system, if this is all demonic, what are you gonna get?
What are you gonna go with? If? Oh, that belief system,
if you have to go with that belief system, then you have to
go with the belief sysm that you believe in. These other entities who are
on the other side of that coin, and what are they bingo? Yeah,
so you know you had the satanic panic, did no one any favors?
And then it spread into everything at that point, whether it was religion
or uh you know pop culture for that matter, but it it really did
do a number and people still label these things is demonic. If you if
you pay attention to the news and you watch the modern uh this this lowercase
D disclosure that we're getting with the phenomena. You know, you have these
guys who are like, it's evil, it's it's pure evil, it's demonic,
it's this, it's that, and like what do you have? What
evidence are you quantifying your opinion on Yes, I deal with that on a
regular basis too, And I always tell people like, forget everything you know
and just look at the encounter or experience and go off of that. And
and and Susie, please tell us what some people have told you. Puck
Wedgies were well, obviously demons, but the the great one is Neli Dwarf.
Oh No, that thing is the people that call things nephilim. They've
well they're all American for starters, and they have no understanding of the Hebrew
language. That was something that I studied immensely, was the sociology, the
culture and the history and the the lexicon that was used, you know,
the entomology of the ancient text like at the time, not what we look
at it today, but looking back at the historical sociological meanings were and what
was being used. And when I hear people start calling things nephilim, I'm
just like, instantly, I'm like, you have no idea what you're talking
about, But I'll listen and I'll nod and smile. I think it turns
to be more for I've been saying these chats, but an American phenomena.
It is it is. It is, yeah, a bit more sort of
secular over here, you might guess maximum in the UK, but it has
been sort of unfortunately penetrate a little in the TV media at the things are
being called demons and that they're not demons are not interesting, which is a
real shame because it is a much broader phenomena obviously. I mean you can
label they think demnachhum and who is very strict in the definition of course,
But hopefully there are more out there who win to sort of move away from
that kind of very strict parameters of what these phenomena are. I mean,
I've always been of the opinion, I'd say the same thing many times that
these things themselves have no particular form. They've just come across in adherence with
their own belief systems, whatever that might be. That's why I've seen over
the years of investigating people who have experienced the same phenomena but interpreted differently based
on what they think they're experiencing. So there's like a pure phenomena in itself,
and then there's an approach to that fulomena based on what you're looking for,
what you believe in. So I find it interesting that you can move
beyond that those parameters, as you say, you want to be. Too
many of you Joe around that are willing to do that, But it's good
to hear that people are willing to do that. Well, you got to
do have a little bit of gray matter between your ears, and you should
be able to do that. But anybody who can't think for themselves is objecting
themselves to what everyone else thinks. That they think all kinds of dumb stuff,
and then to all of the ignorance. And you don't know any better
because you're not looking further than the tip of your nose or modern day term,
you're not looking any further than the pale blue glow in front of your
face. I mean, it's true, It's absolutely true. I mean,
and you know, the fact of the matter is, you know, when
you go into the whole evil side, the demon side, the big scare
words, it sells, it's it's clickworthy, sells, politics, it was
everything. Yeah, it sells, and that's why you see most of it.
But if people who are actually out there in the field and they're doing
real research and they're actually just gathering the data and putting the you know,
the belief systems aside. It's okay, you can put that belief system aside
for a little bit. That's not going to hurt you. And if you
do put it aside from a little bit, you might actually be able to
define it a little bit better later on too. You just don't know what
you're going to find, but you know there are there are clear pieces of
evidence there that says that it is a consciousness experience. Like Andy was saying,
there the interpretation perception. You know, these are the same events.
It's people are seeing these things in completely different ways. That's what we're finding.
Yeah, so that's what I think you find. I should so my
own background. I actually I am a qualified school teach and I taught our
evilitious education, so I have a little of a broader understone how various faiths
do interact with phenomena such as this, and it is broady. The concept
of anything that is seen as quite supernatural is then for going to be something
that's of a negative form, say apart from party. More in Hinduism,
there's a more of a broader idea of the concepts of these spirits being around
us, which of course is conflicted the idea of reincarnation. So that's a
little circle needs to be squared there. But it is generally interesting how sometimes
the phenomena that ease can understand by faith is then demonized literally obviously and metaphorically
as well. And it's good to recognize that there is more going on around
us. It doesn't mean so you have to abandon every faith or any belief
systems because it doesn't quite fit with what your experience. So you can take
on board those experiences and add that into your understanding of the world that that't
necessarily happen to give up on everything, which is a very positive thing,
I think. I agree. I do have quite a few questions here,
so any and Susy just elbow your way in here every time. Okayish,
I'm too polite. You can jump ahead on the script and you can step
on my lines if you want, but we're in my stream yard, so
I can just mute you or put you backstage if we need to. Man,
Wait, you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna talk about redheads now.
I'm not going to make any red head jokes, butful that's what I'm
very careful around redheads. Okay, you know you guys mentioned I know you
guys do work in the field because I was at one of your workshops.
So tell tell people about uh the workshop. You know, how many how
how long have you been doing these workshops? And what are some of the
kind of general subjects or goals you were presented at the workshops? Well,
the workshop ideas started being tossed around in twenty nineteen. Uh, and it
was because of a friend of ours named Wayne Barnes. He was the third
co host of Wild and Weird Radio in his sense stopped existing. And I'm
gonna say he stopped existing. Now he's still broadcasts. Yeah, he's still
the show occasionally, but he passed away and uh yeah, okay, so
he interferes with your show. But he was through the ups, uh snail
mail, Uh apparitions, what are we talking about. We've had e vps
on the show and all kinds of stuff. It's it's been pretty weird,
and we just blame those on Wayne by default. It's great to have a
scapegoat, it always is, exactly so Wayne. Wayne had been in the
Bigfoot world for forever and he uh had been to one of the old big
Foot roundups out on the west coast, and it those those events weren't like
the big cryptid conventions and stuff that we have here nowadays. These were just
a word of mouth, bunch of Bigfoot enthusiasts coming out and you had people
who, you know, Meldrum used to go to these things. The big
names, uh there were. Originally these were attended by the four Horsemen and
who was you know, Renee de Hendon, John Green, the all those
guys there, They Grover Krantz and who was the fourth guy he just passed
away, Peterburn And uh, they were all attended by those guys and they'd
set and they'd argue and they'd fight. But then then they would you know,
have these discussions and they would teach people how to do the thing right.
They would teach people how to cast tracks. They teach me how to
read the ground and look and track. And you know, Wayne had been
to one of those many many moons ago, and there was nothing like that
here on the East coast, and barring some of these big expeditions that were
put on by by different entities that were four or five hundred dollars to attend,
and the Bigfoot round ups were all affordable. You basically the pay to
get in, covered your food and some gas money for the guests that they
would have come. But we were trying to figure out what to do,
and we'd come up with this idea for Wild and Weird Con and we were
going to have workshops there and then the pandemic happened, so everything got shut
down, everything got postponed by a year, and then in twenty twenty one
we hosted the first big Foot workshop, so we then had workshops at Wild
and Weird Con that year as well, and then ever since then we've every
year we've hosted a workshop or two and because we count counting the ones at
Wild and Weird Con, we would have normally four or five workshops on that
weekend for different different things, whether it was paranormal, bigfoot, how to
you know, identify things in the sky, things of that nature, and
you know, for the most part, we show people the reality of what
doing field work is. And you got to come to the most recent one,
Steve, where we were in Point Pleasant and we hosted it was more
of a paranormal workshop and and that's more Ron's Baileywick and so it was more
geared into the high strangeness side of the things that we do. And uh,
people really had a good time. I know, you limited to so
many people because you want it to get me manageable. And we've we've got
a twenty five person cap for attendees with but that doesn't that excludes the workers
that we have coming to kind of help us. Okay, Well it's you
know, it's sold out in no time and people just had a blast.
I mean we uh uh we had a SkyWatch, you know with some of
us had night vision goggles. Somebody I said they saw I didn't see it,
but you know, you could easily see satellites through binoculars and night vision
goggles. But somebody said something was chucking along and then all of a sudden
it stopped for a while. Yes, that I was. I was there.
It was me and Larry were watching that one, and so was Ron
I think was at one of the bunkers at this point. Yeah, it
was me, Larry, you were behind me about twenty feet or so,
Steve, and then who I think it was Scott. Scott was there.
But we watched this thing with the naked eye. Ah, and Larry had
a night vision on it as well. Watching it, so it just kind
of enhanced it, but it was visible to the naked eye, and it
was moving across the sky. We thought, for sure, this is a
satellite. And then it stops dead in its tracks and repositions and moves at
a ninety degree angle away from the direction it had been moving. And so
that was that was pretty significant that night. But there was several satellites.
We watched a ton of satellites go over. We did capture a couple images
that were only visible on thermal and infrared, but that one, the one
that stopped. We were actually able to see that with the naked eye.
Wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And we had a couple of experiences.
We had people who encountered weird sounds in one of the TND domes and
we actually heard a lot of us heard a female voice calling out from the
dome that we were set up in front of. We actually thought somebody was
in there, but nobody was in there. And the people that don't know
the T and T area, which was a place with a created explosives for
a World War two back in the forties, it's a super creepy area in
the daytime, and of course we were there at night when it's extra creepy.
Yeah, it gives this whole you know, kind of mood setting dynamic.
And that was more or less. We just wanted people to go and
have fun, whether we had any kind of encounters or not. And that's
we do preface that with folks. We tell people, do not come to
these things and expect to have an encounter. We're coming here, we're going
to teach you how to do the thing, and then we're actually going to
do the thing, and if anything happens, sweet, but if not,
we all still had a good time. And also earlier, earlier in the
day, everybody was down by the flood wall and you guys were giving talks
and demonstrating some of the equipment and then we uh we went and toured the
Mothmand Museum, so everybody got to get a good taste of Point Pleasant.
So it was a great long day of you know, really experiencing Point Pleasant
and Mothman Country. Well, we'll be doing it again, I'm sure there
was. There's multiple people who are calling for that to come back again next
year. So we're going to definitely try to do that, and I know
the next work will be a Bigfoot related workshop again as well. Yeah,
we're we're shooting for October right now, and it's going to be another big
Foot workshop, and it's going to be in one of the areas that we
conduct research in on a regular basis, just like always normally, like when
we do a workshop, we try to have it somewhere that's actually one of
our research areas. So it's that way. It puts us in the corner
that we know the terrain, we know the environment, we know the situation
we're in, and we're not out there just kind of blind. We're very
familiar with it. But it also puts us in a position where you know,
we've had stuff happen here in the past, and it puts people in
the position where they could possibly have an experience that validation there, Bud,
right, go ahead. Do you think that kind of phenomenon is happening just
randomly or possibly you know a bunch of people being there and thinking about it
and the consciousness kind of increases your chances. Maybe I'll say, what can
we say about that, Joe at this point, Well, Glenn, Glenn
Adkins, he's a good friend of ours. He studied under Oh gosh,
what's Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan, and Robert Morgan was a
tribal member and he worked with different different groups and different research teams doing a
litany of different types of study. But he was very interested on intent and
what kind of results intent would have, like your thought process, how you
go into something, how you present yourself going into an environment, and what
those results would yield. And these workshops do put you in a frame of
mind that you're there to learn the thing, to look for the thing,
and could that potentially call the thing in It's there's been a lot of studies.
The US government's ran studies on it, and there's been a ton of
money put into different different places and different times looking into that phenomena. And
I'd say it's at least a fifty to fifty Yeah, I'd say it's more
than that. But that's you know, just based on what I've seen at
this point. Do you think that that certain people attracted though? There are
stories about people that get heavily involved in UFO research or whatever, and it
just it just all around them all of a sudden. I don't know,
if you're familiar with a Dictionary of Angels by Gustav Davidson. He it has
this I know, I know Andy is, but it's this vast dictionary of
both good and evil. And when he was in his forward in the introduction,
he talks about how he was immersed in this and he's crossing a field
one night and these apparitions and he didn't know what they were, whether they
were angels or some kind of being or whatever. They just started swarming him.
And the next morning when he woke up, he didn't really know how
to explain the experience, but it was during the time he was completely immersed.
Now I have been very immersed in this stuff for years, and almost
nothing happens to me, so that it's still maybe something that certain people tune
into or attract somehow and others don't. Steve, I've reversed my bad luck.
So I think we just proved wrong. Or Joe's fifty fifty. See
see Steve is the good reason. He's a good example for why I think
that it's more of a fifty to fifty thing, because you have people who
seem to be like a magnet for the phenomena, and then you have people
who seem to be the opposite side out of that magnet for the phenomena and
Susie, it sounds like you were one of the opposite sides of the magnet.
Steve is the opposite side of the magnet. I very recently reversed my
polarities. Yes, so what was that, Steve? No? No,
I I just said I'm on the opposite side of a lot of stuff.
But go ahead, I AGERI it. But but yeah, it does seem
that there is some some relation based off what we have seen. I do
fall on the more reluctant side to say that it is higher than fifty percent,
but I can say at least that there's a fifty to fifty chance that
if you go out there with with a form of intent, or you go
out there with if you immerse yourself in it, like the guy who wrote
that that book, the Dictionary of Angels, if you have urse yourself in
it, you you have no choice at that point that will reverse any kind
of hilarity that you had. Full immersion is going to yield results. But
if you go out and you set your intent, you go out and you
basically make yourself a target, so to speak, then you have a better
chance I think at having these kind of experiences. Of course, when Ron
saw this, this, this bird creature or whatever it was, I'm pretty
sure he wasn't focused on anything like that. So no, you know a
lot of times people, even people that are are hard no skeptics, will
all of a sudden be confronted with something truly bizarre. Well, I think
that there's more to that story though, now, Steve, it's honestly,
this is you know, just where I see personally myself at this point,
because a lot of people are always wanted me to speculate on things, and
I'll speculate. It doesn't mean it's real, but it's just based upon what
I've observed. I think that there is a controlling factor here. I think
that whatever this is, this phenomena is, it has a not really an
agenda, but it definitely has a plan of some sort. And I do
think that that's what we are seeing. I mean, John B. Alexander,
he called it precognitive sentient. What was it, precognitive sentient some phenomena,
And that's what you're dealing with in a lot of these cases. This
is something that seems to know what you're doing, where you're at where it's
going to make you have this encounter and how you maybe even react to this
encounter. So you have to really look at that close and you can call
it any label you want. It really doesn't matter. That's that's neither here
nor there. The data just says that there's something occurring U and sometimes these
thought processes may not be our own. Sometimes these thought processes might be generated
from something else. And you really have to look at a little closer at
that point, because that's when you get these other people who have their belief
systems to come in and try to tell you what you're seeing, and they
can't tell you because you don't know, they don't know. No one knows
whatever this is. It's very good at hiding itself, you know. That's
Steve absolutely and by the way, full disclosure. At the T and T
workshop, they was kindly asked me to speak and h Susie Andy. I
talked about John Keel. I think that's the first time you've said his name.
Listen, listen, I'm trying to. I'm getting withdraws, so I
had to say it. You can mention Kill's name because he comes into play
in a lot of this honestly, every single so we ever do so well,
I get residuals. What can I tell you? Yes, so I've
got some more questions. But so, Susie Andy, would you like to
step in here. I was just going to say, Steve, what you
need to do is write your book because obviously if you're writing a book,
the connection gets stronger. As zoo good stuff. There was an experience,
So that's what you need to do to have a phenomenal experience. And maybe
in the future there'll be some annoying guy that keeps quoting me all the time.
I was actually doing research for my book when I saw that or B
and Y. Yes exactly it. I mean, you guys know I write
abo the occults. You can imagine the kind of things I've experience where I'm
writing. Yes, absolutely, well, you got to think about this again.
Let's let's take the label thing right. Think about all the practices over
the years, thousands and thousands of years of humans trying to make contact with
you know, God, spirits whatever they go through a ritual, don't they
Usually there's usually a ritual, and the ritual is usually a programming process of
the mind. So if you really think about it. That's exactly what you're
doing. You're opening yourself. Well, that's that might be part of this.
If you hit that frequency just right in the back of your mind,
Steve, maybe that's when you start seeing this stuff. I don't know,
I'm just you know, spitballing. But well, I'd certainly say as a
practitioner of magic for many years that exactly the case. It is. The
more you work with, the more things it's about women intended involving yourself and
what you're doing in order to and the joys whatever is there with you.
You don't you don't create yourself, but you enjoyed it. You become like
a light, like a beacon that can be seen and picked up, and
these things will see that light and will come to you. Well, I
did have that one experience, so I've talked about before a few years ago,
when I was out in the T and T area that night and it
came back to my hotel room and the TV set turned down by itself and
started flipping through stations, which was pretty bizarre because I went out there it
was a little creepy at night, but I had absolutely no expectation of anything
happening. And again being of the palty, the only paranormal experience I've ever
really had. It was just it was truly bizarre. So I don't know,
you know, maybe just being in that high stracious area at the right
or wrong time is what triggered it. I don't know, very possibly,
very possibly, Susie, do you want my opinion on that? Oh?
Oh no, I want you to. Probably maybe you should send it in
writing and I'll have my people look at it. But yeah, I'm also
wondering what everyone here's opinion is, because I know there have been sightings where
there have been multiple people, say, you know, five people, three
people had the same experience and two people didn't have it at all. I
can actually say that was quite a common thing when I used to be involved
in the panormal events. I've worked for a couple of different companies over the
years, as you guys know that did the exactly held pormal ghost hunts with
save members of the public. People to come along. And often people would
come and perhaps the husband or the wife our friend would come along as well,
but wasn't that interested in me, believe, And we'd be seeing things,
experiences and stuff, and they'd be like no, nothing happened. Didn't
say anything. I had no experience at all. I thought, what you
guys are even talking about? But they're clearly things happening around us, and
we were talking about audible sounds, not just sort of feeling things being actually
being heard. And yet no, I didn't hear that. But what they
would find often if we used to come more often with a partner who was
a believer anyway, that they too would start to experience things, it would
start to become aware. So there's definitely a tuning process, both our minds
tuning into those things around us and those things around us being more aware of
us. But if you want to close your mind off of those experiences through
either non belief or even fears wasn't uncommon, then you can blank out those
experiences and not have them. So it's definitely not something that's just out there
in the world around us. It's our interaction with these things is very important,
and it makes the phenomena become more evident by our interaction with it,
rather than it would being passively observing. Because that was the other thing we
used to notice on events that if we had a crowd who just wanted things
happened to them, wanted to just stand by and watch and not expect very
much. Then surprise, surprise, very little, what ever happened. There
was definitely a correlation between the mindset of the group, not individuals, a
group and what would happen at the location we were using that particular night.
So you do play on a huge party in that. But yeah, people
who are not willing to open their mind to possibility, or again if they're
afraid, too afraid of the possibility of these things, will experience nothing and
genuinely not experience nothing. They're not pretending they genuinely had no experience. There
was a guy I remember one particular event. There was six of the city
around a table, very old table, and we could feel it vibrating.
There was no two ways about it. It was vibrating. Yet this one
person was absolutely insistent he couldn't feel anything. He said, no, I
don't you're talking about I felt absolutely nothing. We could all feel a tremor
in the table. It wasn't just idious video response about bodies. We were
all feeling this strange tremoring in the table. This guy was convinced, now
I felt nothing, So the battery that was attached to the leg He was
setting by John Tinney, who does his website is Weird Lectures. He's a
great speaker, a great researcher. He was in Breall Oak, Michigan,
broad daylight, and he looks up in the sky and he sees this silvery
object going overhead, and he's trying to get some people to look at it,
and they're not just not paying any attention. It's like, you know,
what are you talking about. Then he looks down ways and he sees
a young girl looking up in the sky at the same thing. So it's
like there's this crowd of people in broad daylight and they're the only two that
seemed to be able to see this object in the sky. It is strange
that kind of flummer occurs. My old friend of mine, when he was
back in his early teens, had an experience which brought him into this field
as well, which he was quite ridiculous. He was on holiday with his
family and I think your two brothers, brothers and sister and both parents,
and they saw this blue object hovering above the cottage they were staying in.
They're all outside and saw it. The rest of his family went, oh,
Okay, that's interesting. He went back inside and he stood outside looking
at it. It took a goog and like, what the hell is that?
And he said the family didn't really care. After about ten to fifteen
minutes, it seemed to just sort of fade away. So he went back
inside and said his mom and dad like, what do you think that was?
Oh? I don't really know. And that was it. It was
like they'd almost almost not seen it. He said, it was just bizarre,
and yet it was there, his blue glow above the cottage, and
it was so realistic. But they just they were seeing it, but it
just didn't seem to register to the It was like it was nothing. It
was nothing important. It was almost as if whatever it was was kind of
telling them you can't see me. I don't matter. But my friend was
like, no, I can see this is real and he said, to
this day, I haven't seen for a few years. It must be.
He said, he mentioned it very recently. They don't remember it. They
know there was something odd and it kind of yeah, it was a funny
light in the sky that night, and said, well it was quite big.
It was above the cottage. But their response was like, oh,
whatever, not interested. It was very strong. You said, jaquess normal
ahead, go ahead, Yeah, you go ahead. You're you're, you're
going to do anything. Jacques Filet was on a local radio show in Detroit
some years ago and one of the calls was a woman talked about how she
and her family several years before had seen this uh metallic object hovering in the
sky, and they didn't talk about it. It was like they didn't react
to it. And then several years later she thought about it and she started
asking them if they remember it, and everybody remembered it, but nobody,
you know, nobody uh talked about it at the time. Even Mary Higher
in the Mouthman Prophecies, she had a sighting of something, some craft or
whatever over the Ohio River, and she kept forgetting to tell John Keele.
I mean, it was kind of a classic sighting, but she she kept
slipping her mind. And then of course we even have uh Betty and Barney
Hill. Well, they had a very they had a shared experience and very
similar. There were certain aspects of it that were very different. Uh.
Well, for example, Barney Hill saw the aliens with with noses like Jimmy
Duranty's. If you don't know who Jimmy Duranty was google them because Betty saw
the aliens with more slit like noses and that's quite a difference. But yeah,
it's just it's very bizarre. It takes it out of the realm of
the the absolute physical, Yes, because it's not it's not physical. I
don't think it's physical. And I'm pretty comfortable saying that at this point.
It can be physical, but I don't think that this is a physical thing.
I think that that was well, that was one of my issues back
in the day with the with the research was you know, I had to
accept the fact that I was dealing with some kind of non human intelligence.
That was just a matter of fact at that point. And you know what
had happened, you know, with the whole missing time thing, Steve was
that led me into even trying to figure this out, was that I kept
having this reoccurring dream about you know, we were coming home from church and
there was this light in the sky and you know then sometimes it's a helicopter,
and sometimes it's this and that, and like that's and I drive by
this place all the time. I know you can't pull off there. It
doesn't exist there's no there's no place, there's no shoulder there, you can't
pull off the road. No one's going to do that. So it's like
this was a dream, but yet I still see it, you know,
It's like it happened back in the day. And so during my research,
you know, I finally get to the point where I have to accept that
maybe this contact stuff's real, because I didn't believe that stuff. I thought
that people were just misinterpreting out of body experiences, that they were having spontaneous
out of body experiences. That's what I called him, that this was common,
It's probably happening to a lot of people, and there were nothing to
do with aliens or anything like that. And I had to readjust my thoughts
on that, because I remember I was reading some one of the books and
in the Bacca's Little Checklist and one of the things that's misplaced or misremembered memories
or something like that, I'm thinking, huh, well, there's only one
thing that I can think of, so ill of a long shot. I
went on and I talked to my mom and I said, hey, you
we didn't pull off the road and see a UFO at some point coming home,
from church, did we And she's like, oh, you're talking about
that thing we saw back in blah blah blah. That No, that wasn't.
That wasn't where that was at that was And when she said that,
I remembered. And what's really funny is it happened out near the gold Town
in that region, and I remembered it all. At that point, I
don't know exactly where it had happened. I'd like to actually go back there
because I have a theory. But yeah, it kind of made me start
to say, well, there's there could be an intelligence at work here,
and then let's see if we can actually instigate some form of communication. And
that's what led to the experiment that I did and the results that I got,
and which led to me saying, Okay, I'm good, I got
to go away now for a little bit, and then getting pulled back into
it. I think it kind of speaks to a deeper philosophical philosophical concept.
Should I should say it's called poste in the Morning's I'm fading a bit.
But the first concept that we deal with what we call the subject relations,
where the idea is the object is the world out then the subject is us,
and they're fundamentally separate from each other. We are independently observing reality around
us. I think it's a modern it's a mental constructs. I mean,
we are at one thing. You know that the you know, and the
outer that the same thing. I mean, you get to their own quantum
physics. You exactly that. You can't observe anything passively. You're actively participating
in your observation, and your observation affects what you're observing. And I think
that's the case of these phenomena. They're not out there or just in us.
There's some kind of almost sometimes say like a third space, but it's
not really a third It's that there's the two separate divisions of subject or don't
really exist. They constructed for us in a way for us to understand reality
around us. But you know that's the case all the time. It's that
third kind of thing. These things particularly are somewhere between the two. They're
not object out there. Like I said, your pet cat is obvied out
there that lives independently of us. These things don't. They are not dependent
upon us. But there is a deeper connectivity, of very deep level that
requires us and them to be here together. And to me that that makes
sense because I think you can talk about the division between that UFOs and ghosts
as if they're setarate phenomena, which I think we'd all agree they're not.
They're different aspects of the same kind of phenomena that's being influenced by our own
beliefs and ideas. That's what nature is, right, It's you have one
thing that offsets another thing and maintains homeostasis. So you know, maybe there's
other natural things out there that are at play that we don't realize yet that
would exactly make sense. I say. I think you think these kind of
phenomenons exist with around us, but not quite on the same level of existence,
shall we say, not as quite a sort of the base level of
physical existence. That they are their non corporeal, but will appear corporeal if
that's how they want or you either you're perceiving them or they want to be
perceived as such, so they can move around and defy basic laws of physics.
But as I say, talk about quantum realms with those basic physicals fall
apart anyway. So if these things are existing at that kind of level,
not trying to get too deep into the ant mentor for Marvel, but that
kind of level of existence as well is going at the same time. So
yeah, believe that instance of existence in literally every religion on the planet.
And they even leave footprints sometimes even they appear and disappear. And even the
so called dog man dear Bray Road Apple's property, when they've gathered the hair
samples, there's no bedula in them. Yeah. See, that's that's indicative
of like bigfoot hair samples is the absence of the medula. So I mean,
were they dog man? Were they misidentify because for the longest time I
used to think that the dog man phenomena was just misidentified Bigfoot, But then
we seen some footage from some folks that wasn't altered and it was very much
this non corporeal entity that was pretty weird. We had started looking at it
from more of a the dog man probably exists on this weird extra dimensional a
plane part of the Phantom and Agerie. Yeah, right, exactly. We
had a guest on it a couple of months, but didn't you stay who
told his he was young of a dog man type creature. That was guys,
if you've not heard it. It's well worth a list. The way
he describes it is one in great detail to you, very passionately, and
three very believably. Matt Amate I believe his name was. This was in
Youngstown, Ohio. Very incredible guy and a very scary story. Absolutely,
I mean they're real. There's whatever this thing is, it's real. That's
that's the thing. People need to understand this. This isn't it would be.
It would be a neat story, right if it was only I don't
know, a couple hundred people, a couple thousand people whatever that are telling
these stories. But it's not. It's millions. It's millions of people who
are experiencing literally cookie cutter type phenomena. And you have to really you look
at that for what it is. Either there's something going on, or there
is a massive defect in someone's you know, in our brain and half of
humanity is just having these multiple delusions, or either having some kind of a
psychic event. Now I don't know which one is easier for you guys to
believe, but it's easier for me to believe that there is an external force
at work here that's very intelligent, rather than all of us are having a
collective psychosis and interface us with human consciousness somehow. Yes, yeah, I
think try not to go down the marvel root. If you talk about a
multiverse that exists around us, the possibility that sounds like a dog man is
basically a dog that is developed into an intelligent being in this way that obviously
we are based on monkeys, depends ey ceca that we developed from those.
But maybe there's an alternate reality where dogs of the creature that develops the bigger
brains, became more sort of bipedal and became more intelligent. All of you
talking about things like that, they've come from another reality which they're the dominant
preacher, if you like, and they've somehow accidentally slipped through into hours and
then sit out of it again. And you've got to throw all that on
a table. It's literally what we do. I mean, everything is on
the table. Speaking of the table. That's not much of a segue.
But you guys, you guys are doing a program on YouTube coming up right.
I don't think it's limited to just YouTube, but yes, okay,
and what's it called and where will we be able to see it? It
is? The show is called Paranormal Horizons. Currently, the only announced broadcasting
platform is YouTube, but there are some other things that it might appear in.
And if all goes well, how often will you be doing one of
these shows? The schedules will once a month's schedule. It's the Small Town
Monsters is who is who we're doing this for, and they've got a monthly
rollout schedule for all of their content and will drop. The first episode drops
on July fourteenth International, like globally everybody can see it. It drops on
the eleventh if you are a squad member with Small Town Monsters and you'll get
to watch it in four K and add free, but everybody everywhere will be
able to see it on the fourteenth. The first episode. Anyway, it's
very cool, it's very neat, and you know, it was something that
we were asked to do, and so this isn't something I mean, this
is entirely our product. We were literally approached and asked, hey, can
what do you guys think about this? And we're like, sure, we'll
give this a shot. And what do you want? What do you want
it to be about? Whatever you guys want, So it's going to be
centered mostly on your investigations. It is. Yeah, it's basically our story.
It's the data so far basically is what it comes down to, and
it's it's definitely shaping up to reveal a sort of a pattern in events.
And I think that people are going to I think they're gonna like it.
I think they're gonna like the direction it goes. And people can keep up
with you on your podcast, Wild and Weird West Virginia Wide and Weird Radio
and a lot YouTube channel is Wild and Weird wv okay and it's live on
Thursday nights, right yep. Oh yeah. Normally we have two shows a
week. We've got one recorded and one live. But during production with this
project, we've had to cut back a little bit because of time constraints and
whatnot. So currently we are just doing the live. Well, we should
probably wrap it up. I think I don't want Andy to collapse and on
the floor and hours ahead of us. Yes, and so. But in
closing Susie Andy, anything other questions or thoughts, I just have to say
that I had to mute myself earlier to laugh because I had a thought pop
into my head that if Steve ever does have a paranormal experience. It'll be
the ghost of John Keel for sure. Yes, that's that's what it's going
to be. Steve. Now I'll have him dictate his sequel to the Eighth
Tower. We'll have all the answers will be done. Well. One thing
I want to say, guys is that you know, there's a lot of
there's a lot of negativity out there. I mean there's a certain percentage we've
all experienced it. I know Susan's experienced some of it fairly recently, and
I have there's a guy that loves to malign me and many other people.
But you guys, you guys have a create an atmosphere and and uh of
cooperation and fun with your your workshops, with your show and so forth.
You know, you you're kind of like the go to guys if people want
to learn, uh learn about how to cast footprints or or or you know,
have uh open discussions on these things. So it's a you could you
could call wild and weird West Virginia a safe space in the paranormal. Oh,
it's one hundred percent that it was designed to be that. And uh,
you know, I wanted to create a community that we never had.
It really did because I'll tell you, guys, this you talk about,
this is nothing compared to the reptalk community. I just want to just tell
you they are man, they are reptile people. They're pirates. They're there,
cutthroats, pirates you ever meet. I'm not kidding you. And uh,
this is nothing compared to them. I mean people, Yeah, they
don't get along. They have different ideas and one calls you this or calls
you that and starts a drama. But the reptile community has had houses burnt
down, animals stolen. Yeah it's a snake or because somebody didn't sell somebody
a gecko and they sold somebody else and so then they burnt their house down.
No, it's it's these are true stories. So really we're kind of
almost a little blessed if it's just a bunch of you know, he said,
she said drama stuff, because you know, but everyone's entitled their opinion.
And what we've decided to do from day one, though, Steve,
was to create it, like you said, a safe place for people to
come in tell their accounts openly, freely. And uh, it's just blown
my mind to see some people do that and they know that they're safe to
do that. There's not going to be any bylash and no one's going to
say anything, you know about it. It's it's it's a good place to
do that. But yeah, there's that's the call. Well, the goal
is to you know, do that. And we've uh, what do we
call ourself there in Joe the West Virginia normal ambassadors Ambassadors of the paranormal.
That's what we ran with for a long time, still do because we're trying
to not so much normalize I guess the paranormal. That's what we used to
say, but we're never normalize it, but make it a little more normal
so you can at least set around the family table and say, you know
what, I guess what happened to me today? And no one thinks you're
crazy. That's the whole point, because you're not crazy. There's just too
many people who are experiencing this stuff. So I can tell you the food
is great work, oh man, that's all Joe. Yeah, for many
moons I was. I was a big shot chef and had a whole career
and yeah, good times, well very good. Uh, And tell everybody
how they can find you and get a hold of you. Well, if
you want to keep up with everything that Wild and Weird West Virginia is doing,
you can do that primarily at Wild and Weird w From there, you'll
find links to our YouTube channel. You'll be able to listen to the backlogs
episodes from eons ago of Wild and Weird Radio, and you can actually sit
down and listen for about six days without ever taking a break. Now,
if you want to go support us, the best way to do that is
go to YouTube. Go to Wild and Weird WV in your search engine,
smash that like and subscribe button like it owes you money, and then then
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Monsters, you're gonna want to go check out small Town Monsters YouTube as well.
Go and subscribe, and yeah, that's gonna be a good time because
there's some really really really weird stuff coming up really really really really soon.
Good Ron and Joe, thanks for being here. I knew it was going
to be a blast absolutely, and Andy and Susie thanks for writing Shotgun with
me as always and my pleasure and I will just sit tight, everybody,
I will close out the show. The High Strangess Factor was created by Steve
Ward and Andy Mercer and his copywriter on the Paranormal UK Radio network. I
want to thank our fearless leaders here at Paranormal UK Radio, Irene Alan Block,
Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer. Andy also as producer for The High Strangers
Factor, and also Susie Bastile for saving my tukus with stream Yard. Brian
Zeller and Ady Mercer have composed the music for the show. I can also
be heard weekly on mccaloney's Military X Files as a correspondent on this same network
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humble host here on The High Strations Factor. A displaced Michigander deep in the
Ohio Valley in West by God, Virginia, itches from downtown Point Pleasant,
living on the very same road that the Mothman chased cars in the middle sixties.
Thank you all for listening, Andy Mercer and I will see you again
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