1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:06,440 Hello world. You're listening to Eleanor Wagner's strange and scary world here on the 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,919 Paranormal Uki Radio Network, where we're always creep in it Real. I'm your 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,839 host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet where the stories and 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,839 magic take place. Since nineteen forty five, over one hundred planes of chips 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,640 and a thousand people have simply vanished and what is referred to as the Devil's 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Triangle into thin air. My guest today is a world leading expert, author, 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,840 researcher and theorist. In nineteen seventy had a life changing experience while flying 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,399 over the Green Bahamas Bank in his Beechcraft Bonanza eight thirty six. He's been 9 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:46,200 researching this phenomena on for thirty years ever since it happened, with four books 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,439 on the subject. His most recent one is The First Time, where it 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,600 shows the illustrations and pictures in color, presenting new details of the anomaly of 12 00:00:54,679 --> 00:01:00,520 what creates this mystery. This Bermuda Triangle survivor is best known as the pilot 13 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,519 who holds the key to the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, and he is 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,319 a leading expert witness who has been seeing the fabric of time during that flight 15 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:14,599 back in nineteen seventy. Please join me in welcoming Bruce Gernan. Welcome Bruce 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,959 Well, thank you, eleanor honored to have you as a guest. I'm 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,879 right, Shelley got quite impressive Resonrane. Well, Well, thanks thanks for 18 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:29,280 having me. I've always been both fascinated and terrified by the Bermuda Triangle phenomena, 19 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:33,000 especially with all the planes and ships that have gone missing. As a 20 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:38,040 kid, I remember watching an episode of In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy on 21 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:44,239 the subject matter, and have often wondered what entering the triangle does to planes 22 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,799 and ships. As I understand it. Account stories go back as early as 23 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,200 the fifteenth century, where people were reporting strange activity in parts of the North 24 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Atlantic Ocean. In fourteen ninety two, Christopher Columbus even experienced odd lights and 25 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:05,519 strange compass readings. You have photos and video animations in the first ever captured 26 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,599 authentic video of the time storm with the Vortex tunnel to prove physical signatures that 27 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:15,840 your theories are not speculation and what you call electronic fob to be the legitimate 28 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,159 cause of the mystery. Please tell us what happened on that faithful night and 29 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:27,000 what is meant by electronic fob. Well, I'm that Sacil Day. That 30 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:35,520 was way back on December fourth, nineteen seventy. That's when I started researching's 31 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,159 It's gone going on like fifty three years now, and it was such an 32 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:45,039 incredible experience set that I never was able to forget it. So I will 33 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,159 now worked on my memory on purpose for several years, just to make it 34 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,759 like a permanent part with my memory, but then I would protect about it. 35 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,680 Almost having Day two. I knew when I fariences said someday maybe it 36 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:05,960 may be important for the world to know about, but I never realized it 37 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:12,240 would be fifty three years and I'm still still trying to convince people that there's 38 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:20,439 really something out there in the Barada Triangle that causes a mystery. It's something 39 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:27,960 now you could consider to be paranormal or super normal, because mainstream science will 40 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,599 not recognize it right now. So if it's not scientific, then what is 41 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,159 it. It's paranonal, but to me it looked very real. That's why 42 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,759 I memorized it was an experienced pilot. It's flying to back and forth, 43 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,439 in the Bahamas, and I had about six hundred hours of flight time. 44 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,960 I was only twenty three years old, and so I'm just one particular flight. 45 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,080 They're leaving Androws. We had spent the night there on Andros Island, 46 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:08,159 and we were planning on leaven first sing in the morning, and we had 47 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:13,120 a new Beachcraft Bonanza, a thirty six that's a single engine, six passengers, 48 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,959 and was my day at night, and we had a business partner that 49 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,560 was with us this time, and we couldn't go in the morning because there 50 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:25,720 was some heavy rain showers sheet apparently as far as we could see around the 51 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:30,680 island, and back then we couldn't get any weather reports there was There wasn't 52 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,399 even a telephone on the island, so we just had to weight it out 53 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:40,720 and it finally started to live up after any and then we headed towards the 54 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:46,240 airport. By three o'clock it was clear enough to go ahead and take off 55 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:54,040 in the light rain then overcast about fifteen hundred feet and we were able to 56 00:04:54,199 --> 00:05:00,639 depart, had lift off exactly three o'clock. Back then, we we would 57 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,959 have to fly mostly on dead reckoning, which means we would use the compass 58 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:12,480 and we'd be monitoring the time. Time was critical. Back then, we 59 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,560 did have some electronic instruments so that we could also use so we were able 60 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,399 to pick up Bimony. Our heading was going to be to the north west, 61 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:29,800 and we had that automatic direction finder that enabled us to pick up a 62 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,680 tower on Bimony and we and the need on our instrument would point towards the 63 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:41,040 tower, so that coordinated with our padding. And we entered our time and 64 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:47,120 flew over the interior of the island of Androws. So we've flew for about 65 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:54,920 ten minutes, and then we reached the western shore of Androws where the ocean 66 00:05:55,519 --> 00:06:00,839 called the Great Bahamma Bank. That's a large area shallow are only about ten 67 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,959 or fifteen feet deep in between Andros and Bimini, and it's about a hundred 68 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:15,800 miles between the two islands, and looked perfectly clear. How when we rexed 69 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:23,040 ocean, so I was able to start my ascent for one thousand feet. 70 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:28,639 We planned to cruise at ten thousand, five hundred feet, so I started 71 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:32,160 climbing up and then I noticed in front of me was unusual cloud. It 72 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,399 was just hovering over the ocean and it was about a mile along half a 73 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,120 mile wide, and these thousand feet thick, and they've had three smooth, 74 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,199 silky edges to it, which is unusual for a cloud to be that low. 75 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,399 It's only about five about the ocean, and it wasn't molding, but 76 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:57,560 the winds were like so that wasn't really unusual. And although the cloud was 77 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,519 unusual, it looked harmless, so I wouldn't had it's climbed over it because 78 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,879 it was right in our right path. And then when I reached a higher 79 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:11,079 altitude about three thousand feet, I was here a little contact the Miami Air 80 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,879 Traffic Control and I found my flight plan with them, and I got a 81 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,319 weather report from them, and they said the weather was clear between Andros and 82 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:27,560 Florida, and there was a large seleti starms scattered over South Florida. But 83 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:33,600 they said I could wouldn't have a problem circuing them from gating around several That 84 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,800 sounded really good, so I kept climbing that. Then I noticed had that 85 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,920 small inarticular cloud, it'd done something very unusual. It seemed like it had 86 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,319 expanded at it very unusual rate rapidly, and it was right underneath the plane. 87 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,120 And while we're still climbing up and I thought, well, it must 88 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,879 be the birth of a chaming long nimbus slunder start. And I just happened 89 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,600 to fly right over it, and that was unusual, word coat, I 90 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:11,199 guess it could happen, and so I just kept finding and maintaining the heading 91 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:18,439 toward Bimini. Then it caught up to me, climbing into thousand feet a 92 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,360 minute, and it climbed up faster than me, so I had to go 93 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,879 in it. And when I were penetrated into it, and it was clear, 94 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,519 I mean not clear, it was it was stable, but there were 95 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:39,120 updrafts and the visibility was very low, but it looked like a typical cloud 96 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,519 at side, but the visibility was about the same, maybe only see harder 97 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,519 seat. And then it pushed me out of the clouds, so apparently had 98 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,320 some updrafts in it, and I popped up above it. I thought I 99 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,799 was gonna be good, and I got a couple hundred feet above it, 100 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:58,720 and then starts getting up to me again. So then they went back in 101 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,120 it again, and I'd go in for about thirty seconds and then I'd prop 102 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:09,279 out. So this wasn't a fide different times and slightly my dad said maybe 103 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,759 We've had to turn around and go back to Androws, he said, because 104 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,840 we couldn't get away from the storm. I didn't think that was a good 105 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:20,639 idea, because the storm was building up below us and behind us. It'd 106 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,679 be worse to go back into it trying and to escape it. So we 107 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,639 continued. I told her we continue. They the cylinder or two more so, 108 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,720 then when we got to eleven thousand and five hundred, we popped out 109 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,480 right out of the cloud and got away from it. So I leveled off 110 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,960 and then but ten So then when I looked back and around the league, 111 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,080 I neither side it was really anice. At what I saw, this small 112 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:52,200 lentage clear cloud had spread out into apparently got a huge squall. The squall 113 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,759 was unusual, or I mean it was. It looked like about twenty thousand 114 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:01,519 feet higher. It was very select, that's what was strange and not And 115 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,320 it was curved in the shape of a circle, sem a semi circle. 116 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:13,000 And I could see on either side and about at least ten miles, so 117 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,799 I saw twenty miles of the storm. It was like a perfect curve. 118 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,440 I thought that was a little unusual, But then I started cruising around two 119 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,679 hundred miles an hour, and then got out of view of it. It 120 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,600 was in clear air again, and I kind of forgot about it because it 121 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:39,279 was a little bit scary going on through that out and finally escaping it, 122 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:45,120 and so I just kind of forgot about it and tried to relax, started 123 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:48,120 cursing, still on course to Pitmany, and then after only a few more 124 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:54,320 minutes, I look in front of me and now this huge storm was right 125 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:00,279 in front enemy had the same strange symmetrical curve to it, and now it 126 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:05,080 built up to it was too too high for me to fly over it, 127 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,120 and I thought, well, I could fly under it, But then I 128 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,840 took a closer look and another on the usual thing was it. It was 129 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,679 land right on the surface of the ocean, didn't have any ceiling too in 130 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,480 the base, and no rain. It's almost kind of like fog sitting on 131 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,240 the ocean, like that normal cloudstone too the hy Anyway, I'm maintained my 132 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:31,600 head aim and figuring, well, I'll penetrate into I mean, we can't 133 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,919 fly through it. See what it looks like. And we went inside and 134 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,000 it was stable, and this time the visibility was much better, at least 135 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,720 two miles because I could see the ocean room two miles below and people we 136 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,879 went then I started knowing were sending these flashes. I got more and more 137 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,200 intense as we went on, so I was I only was in there for 138 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,559 a minute there, maybe well three miles deep. And at that point the 139 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,799 flashes were so strong that kind of scared me, and I'd figured about I 140 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:11,159 could get out of here. They weren't lightning bolts, so the all slashes. 141 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,240 They got to the point where all I could see was a black abyss 142 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,559 and then the flash would ignite and then I could see the ocean. But 143 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,720 so anyway, let me a sharp turn to the laugh and start ahead and 144 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,200 do south pop peck Hollis storm and started flying along the edge of the store. 145 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,240 At that point I contacted Miami, and MIAMIMI radio told me that the 146 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,320 weather was clear, but I told them they told it in that early clear 147 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:45,320 now, So I told him I was going around this big squalls and see 148 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,480 if I could get it around that. So it's going to head south full 149 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:54,039 at it and deviated from lights like that. So there we're real calm about 150 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:58,440 it, as if the storm wasn't there. And they said, oh fine, 151 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:03,919 let let us go and when you get around it. Apparently I don't 152 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:07,919 think they saw the storm on the raydar art that I don't believe this type 153 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,879 of storm shows up on the radar, because this is a lot of typical 154 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:22,159 storm that's had thing In this instance, it could be a methane gas bursting 155 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:28,360 from the Earth that had nights with the atmosphere and forearm was this storm because 156 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,799 it was moving way over chown when I was an hour and it would be 157 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,840 more like an ignition than an air flower wind that everything light like pouring a 158 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,080 circle of gasoline and lightening out one end and then it rapidly spreads out. 159 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,600 I think that's what this thing did. It was like a gas bubble coming 160 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:56,759 up out of the earth, huge bubble. It was like a doughnut shape, 161 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,960 tourist shape. Didn't realize that until I started to fly around it, 162 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,200 and I could see I can't fly around it because it's going connecting right back 163 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,639 to where I came from. So it happened to notice where two ends of 164 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:15,200 it were meeting, and it was like the opposite end of where it formed 165 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,840 and the connected on the bottom. And then there was like a big valley 166 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:26,440 and it was to the west and the still I figured out without great fly 167 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:31,600 between the clouds and be back in clear air again. So then it is 168 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:37,360 two anblehead and either each cloud formed an anvilhead, one on the left and 169 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,519 one on the right, and then the handlehead spread out and connected on the 170 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,960 top. And this was after I had decided to fly through the valley. 171 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:52,879 But now it turned into a horizontal tunnel. At first the tunnel was really 172 00:14:52,320 --> 00:15:00,759 quite large, was some feet or or then it it rapidly was got smaller. 173 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:03,600 I appeared the center of it was around ten thousand feet, so I 174 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:09,559 started died down and increased the steed to and structure red line where at two 175 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,799 hundred thirty milents an hour. When I entered this tunnel, something incredible happened 176 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,360 because when I was outside the tunnel, I could see through it, and 177 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,960 I could see the clear blue sky on the other side, and it was 178 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,759 normal looking the tunnel anyway. Put and when I entered it, instantly something 179 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,879 credible happened, and it's almost like the tunnel ignited. I could see that 180 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,840 immediately saw these strange lines and pretty hard to explain that. I've got graphic 181 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:54,039 illustrations are in my book, and there's also been many animations television and documentaries. 182 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,559 YouTube has a lot of them that have animated what it looked like like 183 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:07,519 when through there. So what was happening when I went through over there? 184 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:14,240 I believe it has something that time and space and apparently who it was that 185 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:21,679 was the beginning of the space time war that I ignite it with the masssive 186 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:30,279 light aircraft penetrating into this tunnel created the vision that was able to see, 187 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:34,879 and that apparently was the fabric of time was what I was looking at. 188 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,120 And it's like I should have been in there for about three minutes because the 189 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,200 tunnel appeared to be about twelve miles long, and at the speed I was 190 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,840 flying, that should take about three minutes to reach the other end, but 191 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:55,600 it was rapidly closing. When I entered it, it was maybe three hundred 192 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,639 feet and dining in winter. But after after owning about ten seconds, it 193 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,559 was less than a hundred feet than dying whatever, and it got more and 194 00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:08,240 more narrow and I was able to reach the other end of it only took 195 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:15,839 twenty seconds instead of three minutes. And then another pretty incredible thing happened when 196 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,480 I reached the other end of it, the wing tips scraped the edges of 197 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:23,480 it, because now it was down to less than thirty three feet, which 198 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:29,640 is a wingspan, and when I can pop down of it. I looked 199 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,200 behind me and I watched the clothes right behind me, and it turned slip 200 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,799 and it was still rotating it popwise when I looked at it from that direction, 201 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:45,400 but while I was inside it was aligns rotating counter look and at that 202 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:53,119 same time as I escaped, the sensation, the only real physical sensation I 203 00:17:53,160 --> 00:18:00,559 ever got the whole flight, was this zero gravity feeling at it lasted about 204 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:06,519 ten seconds. It was also different than zero gravity. It was it felt 205 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:11,559 like hydroplane also, so it felt like it was a zero gravity but like 206 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:21,440 a skidding ye that dad same tone of amram. The clear blue sky disappeared, 207 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:27,240 also wearing. While what happened it was pure blue clear. Now it's 208 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:36,319 all hazy. This is where I but caught in what I call electronic toilet, 209 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,720 something very unusual. I thought it was a fall at the time, 210 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,559 and I was flying through it. Everything looks strange. It was hard to 211 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:52,559 explain what everything looked like. The visibility appeared to be good, but I 212 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,160 couldn't really see anything, so it couldn't be good, but it appeared almost 213 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:02,440 clear. I could kind of see the ocean, and that didn't look normal 214 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,240 at OH I couldn't see the horizon and looked at my instruments to check my 215 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:14,519 position, and I had a hard time figuring out my location. I should 216 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:19,079 be ninety lyles east of Mariami, so that's my dad. He used our 217 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:26,880 navigator co Coimney position fix and he fumbled with the instruments and he can figure 218 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:33,319 out where we were either. And then I noticed that the compass itself was 219 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:41,319 slowly rotating counterpodwise non stop, and all the electronic navigation showing. So that 220 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,880 was another unusual thing, and like one should their attack family by position because 221 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,839 of that, and I knew where I ought to be, but I still 222 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,960 couldn't verify it. I was I was a hundred miles trung in Miami when 223 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,519 they entered the tunnel, so when I came out there, I should be 224 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:02,920 like eighty eighty miles from my hand. And so I was able to contact 225 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:10,240 Miami Air Truck Control and asked him to help me with my location, and 226 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:15,079 they checked it out on their radar and they couldn't find me. I had 227 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:21,640 a transplunder instrument that was supposed to help identify me a radar and that was 228 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,160 it warkoom. So they said they didn't have any airplanes in between. Andrews 229 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,920 fn ami at it. So that didn't help with Off calling him on the 230 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:37,559 radio. I guess then they could tell that I was in distress. It 231 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,400 sure did. I didn't want to admit it because that was kind of like 232 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:52,000 a macho attitude. Twenty three. Nothing readily scared me, so I kept 233 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,200 flying. But my dad went into a state hand at this point and grabbed 234 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:03,279 the microphone from and he started yelling it it controller. That didn't help. 235 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,400 I could see Anna King, so I grabbed the mic back from him, 236 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,160 and that was a little common down. So there they are passing. German 237 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,480 business partner in the back seat grabs on my shoulder and starts telling me his 238 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,640 language had changed. He he couldn't really speak, he was he was just 239 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:32,279 saying in all different strange words, made no sense, mean no sense at 240 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:36,200 a. I couldn't understand one word that he said. Oh boy, he 241 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:41,480 looked on a normal a little bit. So this is that fog. Actually 242 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:49,039 it's causing this exfusion and I'm still thinking I'm flying through the squad not understand 243 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:56,920 why everything's so unusual and strange. And so three minutes by, and so 244 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,480 I was able to just name tained my heading when I didn't make any turns, 245 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:07,279 which is a good thing because when when I went into the fog, 246 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:15,680 I was heading directly for it easter me. So I maintained that any in 247 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,599 my mind. Anyway, I couldn't use the inst so I kind of used 248 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:25,240 my imagination to maintain the straight level reading. And so we were like that 249 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:29,839 for about three minutes, and then the radar controller comes back on the microphone 250 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:36,400 and there was like radars say, silence minutes eating with heavy traffic all round 251 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,720 Miami. I think everybody was listening to the trying to think what's happening to 252 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:45,880 you? And so the radar control it was really excited that it sounded up 253 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:52,759 playing right over Miami Beach. And I told him, not negative that got 254 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:59,400 us. We're probably more like gating ailess. He said, are you sure? 255 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:06,599 And then the strange thing this slot I call electronic slot, electronically dissipated. 256 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,319 You have to see what that looks like. Not too many animators have 257 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,000 got that right, but I've got a graphic illustration in the book that gives 258 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,279 you a pretty good idea it once it looks like. And I've created some 259 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:25,240 videos that will show what it looked like, but I haven't presented them yet 260 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:30,759 to the public. Tooked about ten seconds, and what happened was these lines, 261 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,000 strange lines formed parallel to the direction and slide of the air player, 262 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:44,279 and then each line cracked open and I could see blue you understand, I'm 263 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:48,839 sorry, you could see what boost sky And only took about ten seconds. 264 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:56,359 The fog cracked open and the fog smaller and smaller, chill do onything left 265 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,839 was the blue sky, and so I call it electronic piece. Right after 266 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,799 it happened, you know, I looked back expecting to see this huge cloud 267 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,160 that I had been flying through, and there it was perfectly clear sky behind 268 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:14,480 me. There was no fog bank See, that was the electronic fog that 269 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:22,440 was connected to I didn't realize it. It took me thirty years and researched 270 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,440 it finally stayed around. Why And it's because it was connected with me flying 271 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:33,079 with me. No one ever realized it that was possible. You know, 272 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,839 there had been pilots, planes and boats and cars that had been in it, 273 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,519 and they all you say, flying through it just but no, this 274 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,640 is just something different. Me fly with it. So I told the control 275 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:51,559 while you're right, that's why any va trap below me anything was possible because 276 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:56,039 I've only been flying for thirty three minutes. In just three minutes and dirty 277 00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:00,319 seconds ago, i was one hundred miles east from Miami and now I'm right 278 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,720 over Miami, So that part didn't make sense at all. So it was 279 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:10,559 kind of like a time traveled you or teleported you one hundred miles quicker than 280 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,759 you should have even legitimately been right somehow, I didn't know how. That's 281 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:21,279 what. Wow, What was it that you saw in the lines? Again? 282 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,960 What I saw in the lines? Yes, well, I just saw 283 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,440 how they split apart. It started off as a line and then it turned 284 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,839 into like a split and cracking, a crack that opened up and I could 285 00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:38,240 see the turboo sky on the other side. So, in other words, 286 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:45,319 this fog was like a cocoone that was wrapped around the airplane. M hmm. 287 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,519 Sere in the egg shape, sure, but it was maybe one hundred 288 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,839 yards sick or so. Do you think it's possible that each of those lines 289 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,400 might have been a different time space. It has something to do with times 290 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,440 electronic thing dissipated and disappeared within ten seconds, and I think it has something 291 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,160 to do with the ocean and the land mass. I was over the ocean 292 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,720 the whole time I was in it, and then it has right when I 293 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:21,759 reached the land. I've experienced it a second time over the Everglades and just 294 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,279 the opposite, and I was over the land and then it attached to me. 295 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,759 So I decided to get away from it with be to try to go 296 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,240 to the ocean. So I made to turn to the ocean, and when 297 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,319 I reached the ocean this time it's slowly detached it in a different manner, 298 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:45,759 but then in a electronic dissipation. The way it dissipated it was not like 299 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:52,640 a normal cloud or a thought, and it had some kind of magnetism extend 300 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:59,039 with it that mad act different and others. So from there I was still 301 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:06,319 at ten feet over Miami. I signed off with the radar controller pull it 302 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,680 on to Palm Beach, and I had to go the way out west because 303 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:12,519 they storm over Fort Lauderdale and another one out over the Everglades. I had 304 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:18,200 to fly in the tweed and this and again it's like then and this time 305 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,759 was I had to fly like through under a bridge. It was the only 306 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,799 clear spot in between the two big storms. That was kind of on too. 307 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:32,880 But I did that and then headed back over to probably each international and 308 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960 kept our playing. And so when I touched it down, I just took 309 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:41,200 the clock saying it was it was forty seven minutes theither it's always taken eighty 310 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:48,839 year, ninety minutes and many times. And then also beater through research with 311 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,480 my physics professors, that gave me the idea to check the gas receipts, 312 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,680 which we kept records of them, and it ends up but I used ten 313 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:06,440 gallons less you are normally it would burr. Wow. That kind of ads 314 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:14,119 to the hard Troopers. Yeah, I've got the original guests seats. In 315 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:18,640 December fourth, nineteen seventeen, aftern got back on track and you realize that 316 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:25,799 Miami was right below you, how did your dad and the business partner react, 317 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,119 How did they feel? Was everything normal after that? Yeah? Say, 318 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,279 well, as soon as the electronic thought participated, everything was that got 319 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,039 instantly a back to normal. All the instruments start working. My business partner 320 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:45,240 in the back seat started talking normally, but dance up fine and I felt 321 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,640 fine the whole time. But I find this electronic thought that can affect people 322 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,599 in different ways. Remember, they could and make will go to sleep. 323 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,680 They can make a nauseous like our business partner, and they can make him 324 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,039 panicked like Mr Dan. And they can induce spatial disorientation to pilots, which 325 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:12,839 is the worst thing that can happen to a pilot because at once that is 326 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:18,480 ingrained in your brain, You're gonna go into a great yard, spar up 327 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:26,279 and sparber down onto the ocean, ry land prapsh. Now the business partner, 328 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,519 did you tell him that you couldn't understand what he was saying? And 329 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,880 how did he react to that? Right? You know? I know I 330 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,839 ever really told him that. Sure, I told him my dad, but 331 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,960 we couldn't figure out what happens. So I talked to my dad about out 332 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Over the years, not so much our business part Now we kind of broke 333 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:53,279 up a couple of years after. We still remain friends. He claimed that 334 00:29:53,799 --> 00:30:00,480 his family came up to me many years later after my first and said that 335 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:06,720 they said the kids that were brand children his name is chuckle Offiette. They 336 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:08,480 were amazed to see see that he was in the book with me, and 337 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:15,839 because he used to talk to them, he experienced and one of the things 338 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,599 that you told him cracked me up. And I heard that he told his 339 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,440 grand children that when he looked at his watch that the hands were spinning. 340 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:32,279 Oh but interesting, that can't be true. That can't be true. Oh 341 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,160 wait, he was all like Disney and not even close to the horble. 342 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,599 So maybe he actually did look at his watching and it looked like the hands 343 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:47,640 were spinning. Right, Yeah, because this flag came a thick people in 344 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,599 different ways, for sure. So spending the rest of my life, you're 345 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:56,759 trying to prove and it's real. Let people know about it because it can 346 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,480 save their bikes just to happen to get thought in that, especially if they're 347 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:07,400 flying on an airplane. All pilots should be familiar with this, but all 348 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,000 thought that they're not familiar with it because main streams science still won't recognize. 349 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,400 Yeah, it's terrible. You guys were very very lucky, very lucky to 350 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,400 have made it out, especially with the history of so many losses already. 351 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:26,759 Yeah, yeah, we're lucky. That's for sure. Kind of like say, 352 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,880 kind of through there somehow. Maybe it's your mission is meant to get 353 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,480 the word out there and help people, especially pilots. Yeah, that's like 354 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,799 my mission now to risk them my life. We're working on this way where 355 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:47,599 I can to get the word out there because I don't know the person should 356 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,400 it may be around SI the center. Has the population believe dere's no mystery 357 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,079 there? M hm, because a lot of a lot of these writers and 358 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:06,079 scientists they are even saying and now there's nothing unusual there. They've solved the 359 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,359 mystery they claimed, which they did. Ben Larry Crush did that a long 360 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,759 time ago, and everybody started writing books about this in the seventies. He 361 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,880 was the first one to prove in his mind anyway that there's nothing unusual going 362 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:29,279 out out there with you. I know there's something unusual. Yeah, I 363 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,960 call it electronic fog. It could be a natural phenomenon. It happens over 364 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:40,079 the Everglades. Experienced it there. That's an entirely another story that I was 365 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,759 going to tell you all about. So I'd photographed tunnels. They're similar, 366 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,799 very similar to the one. Over the years. I've got a photo of 367 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,839 two photos I captured in nineteen seventy eight. It shows how to these storms 368 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,880 formed. They were all stories around two miles high and they only glass between 369 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,799 four minutes and then they collapse. Then, not long ago, just a 370 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,200 couple of years ago, I was stay able to capture the first one to 371 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:14,240 learn our video over the Everglades because I've been researching the Everglades for many years. 372 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,519 I mean for twenty years. But I would slide back and forth over 373 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:22,359 the Everglades where called me, cand on me, and then fly over the 374 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:28,480 Everglades to the Florida Keys or I had real estate properties in good places. 375 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,079 I would fly at least once a week for twenty years, then totally delayed 376 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,799 what's calling out in the Everglades. So I was finally able to capture the 377 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:46,079 video or one of these storms. I call it the time storm or a 378 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:54,759 vortech thunderstorm. And actually my granddaughter was smart enough to capture it new Apple's 379 00:33:54,759 --> 00:34:00,400 cell phone because I was so excited anying what's going on. It's a group 380 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:07,160 of us together when we witnessed this, and so I'm telling everybody all about 381 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,559 it, and then they never even think of video on it. The sheep 382 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,800 de is it's really great. Wow, that's cool. It's a hundred percent 383 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,960 and natural the ones that form over the everglades. And my theory is that 384 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:29,000 after the tunnel collapses after three minutes from its creation, before it admits this 385 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:35,559 fear like a puff, it spits out with a puff of this electronic file, 386 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,920 and then this file may expand a little bit and knows that maybe how 387 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,280 to the arts or something kind of like could be in the shape of a 388 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,320 ball, and it would probably difficult to see it and ray there. It 389 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,320 does a lot pick it up, and it depends on the winds. It 390 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239 could be up drafts and it could go where, it could be down drafts, 391 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,119 and it could go all the way down to the circus. And this 392 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:05,119 is a natural phenomena and they've seen many times, and there's a spot or 393 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,480 in the everglades where it forms quite often. There's been several pilots that have 394 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,599 become spatial disoriented because of it right that same area, but the one in 395 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,159 the Bahamas over the Great Boundary Bank, but that was stifferently. That's the 396 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,039 one one that I take that thing that that methane could be involved in that 397 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:30,440 it's much larger than the ones in the Everglades. So I got a different 398 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:36,519 name from that. I call that a circular for texts school. It should 399 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,639 be pretty dangerous to it doesn't last very long. I'm like a time storm. 400 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:47,400 We can take that thunderstorm keep take you know, an hour to form. 401 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,679 It doesn't spread out like the circular or takes ball is rapidly. And 402 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:59,239 I mean apparently in that circulars so all the way why it lasts like wilno 403 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:06,599 riis twenty ren so. And I recently realize that that doesn't show up on 404 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,320 radar either, because when I got my weather report, they said there were 405 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,880 no storms, all right clear Yeah. And then then like ten minutes later 406 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:22,639 I talked to it again and the middle of this huge storm, and I 407 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,119 told the radar controller I was you know, I tried to fly around it. 408 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,280 He actually like there was a storm at all. Now you know that 409 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,639 they think back. He was very calm cash He told me just just let 410 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,960 him know. I do you get rounded it like like it was nothing. 411 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,679 Yeah. I don't think he saw it. It was not as radar. 412 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,159 He probably said at oh, it's probably just some tidy clouds or something. 413 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,719 Yeah, a big cloud radar and pick up clouds. H. Yeah, 414 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,960 it was just the opposite. When I reached my peach to the guy was 415 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:05,920 screaming at me because it's that that's interesting his reaction. Yeah, so that 416 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,440 kind of tells me that he never saw that the storm was sounding gradar. 417 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:15,280 Oh and then h that was in nineteen seventy. And then in the nineteen 418 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:22,039 ninety six this experience over the Everglades where the electronics flog it wasn't as powerful 419 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,760 as the electronic fogg in nineteen seventy that that captured it. So that's twenty 420 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,039 six years there later, and I didn't have my theory that it attaches to 421 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,440 the aircraft. Yet I didn't get dead until four years later, in the 422 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:46,480 year two thoushanold. So like fire were the Everglades and instantly the famag attaches 423 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:52,079 to me back then or there's no such thing as fun attaches then. So 424 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,960 I thought, oh, wow, the ever Blades is covered with flog. 425 00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,960 Let's get a little to work. Because I didn't have a lot of shoel 426 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,320 that I didn't want. I was hoping it was fogg wasn't too white spread. 427 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,039 So I called up the not the radar control everybody. I was actually 428 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:15,159 able to contact the weather Bureau. I asked him by any weather bureau and 429 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,639 asked him, well, how extensive is this twog? Because I'm planning on 430 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,519 going up to Palm Beach, which which was like one hundred miles away, 431 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,119 and I didn't want that to be sought in either. See on the farm 432 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,119 was only below me, only below the aircraft. It was a weaker form 433 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,679 of the electronic fog apparently. But anyway, the weather ran He says to 434 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,199 me, what's the fog are you talking about? And I says, well, 435 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,400 all this fog out here over there cover Glea, he says. He 436 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,719 says, didn't no fog report and anywhere in Florida. He says, what 437 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:57,360 you got chidl In flying over all this fog? Sa Richneld fog says. 438 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,519 I had to sign off for them decide what did so? I decided to 439 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:09,480 turn to the right and head east, hold over the ocean. And again 440 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,000 I guess it was fade or something that that's part of my theories. See, 441 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,320 when if you go from the mainland to the ocean, the fog will 442 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,599 detach, or just the opposite there would the ocean and you go to the 443 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,800 mainland, it would detach. So when I turned to go towards the ocean, 444 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,760 I noticed the hole right below the air There's like a hole in the 445 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,440 plants the fog. So at that time usually and then I'm looking through the 446 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,880 hole and I can see that earth. Everybody's below me. Groven samet speed 447 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,079 as meia hundred and eighty miles an hour, thinking went our way, this 448 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:52,119 is impossible, imp they can't. They can't be a hole through the fog. 449 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:58,440 It's going to travel with me at hundred eighty miles an hour. M 450 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,440 interesting, So I figured, well, this is maybe it's just some kind 451 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,800 of phenophenomenon and I'm not familiar with. But anyway, once they started aiming 452 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,360 toward the ocean, the whole started getting bigger, and then it got to 453 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000 the point where it hit the whole guy so big it was perfectly round the 454 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:22,440 whole time. It had spread out all the way to pass the wings where 455 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,119 I could see way passed them until there was nothing left like a rail up 456 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,920 this like trocolate fog all around the airplane and still ear and the wind detached 457 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,039 from they were plane over Miami. I mean, I thought those lines and 458 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:38,360 I was telling about that crack cope, but I thought there were a few 459 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,159 miles and so this ring around the airplane, I thought it's a few miles 460 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,400 away from it, because when I looked through it, there would be like 461 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,079 a gap, a split and whatever I was looking at it some like spy 462 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:58,760 clowns, some buildings over Miami, it would be split where wherever I looked 463 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,400 to That's really weird, it was. I guess again the dam would be 464 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,920 the fabric of time, and I'm seeing that split the cut in the in 465 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,239 the ring around the air The time didn't change a whole lot of They had 466 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320 changed a few seconds, so I didn't notice it. Strangely enough, I 467 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:22,039 mean this ring stayed around the airplane the entire forty five minutes flight back to 468 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:30,239 Palm Beach, and it didn't detach until the wheel. And wow, I 469 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,280 had the idea it was bud. Then in two thousand, the year two 470 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,559 thousand, like researching the other pilots experience, Martin Keaton was was the key 471 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,639 that given it to He had he had experienced the electronics with a group of 472 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,880 distinguished mediator maybe men marines too. He wrote about it three or four different 473 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,960 occasions, and so he explained when he looked like he he had a whole 474 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,280 above the airplane and one below, just like I had the one below. 475 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,639 But he also had the one a book that would be a little bit bit 476 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,079 stronger. Electronic flop. He exploding in great detailer he was saying, it's 477 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:15,239 true by three hours? Oh really? Yeah, And I had all these 478 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,559 witnesses with nobody could understand it or explain it. This was probably back in 479 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:25,360 the seventies. Is it your opinion and your belief that, for example, 480 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,679 the five Navy bombers got banished on that routine training mission, Is it your 481 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:37,679 belief that they got disoriented and crashed. Yes, that there's a reason they 482 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,920 got just sorry, it's called electronic flop. And I'm preparing to do a 483 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:50,000 video for YouTube on that subject. Why do you suppose that they didn't find 484 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,280 any pieces of the wreckage though, well, it's a really big ocean, 485 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,960 But yeah, I mean they should they should have been something QUI. Yeah, 486 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:07,039 they trained on how to open the hatch throughout the life craft that brought 487 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:14,000 them back inflates man, and they were all already had near life jackets. 488 00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:17,440 Those pilots don't even bother putting light jackets on and they're flying over the ocean. 489 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,519 These guys were required too, and then all five of them of the 490 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:30,079 airplanes had the rafts and all I think they were fourteen airmen had their life 491 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:37,360 vest so those things off float. Yeah, she can't managing all five of 492 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,159 them crashed so band that that it killed her instantly. You would take that. 493 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,519 Yeah, they would have got outside. Yeah, and then eventually it 494 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:53,239 would drift up on the shore, like you know the Malaysian airliner that crashed. 495 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:59,920 All kinds of pieces the drifted. I'm sure dozen it's a piece. 496 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:06,360 Isn't it true that the rescue plane disappeared as well? Yeah, this strange 497 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,639 point set. It may have blown up because they called it a flying gas 498 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,079 tank. They have discovered one of the Josh skates from expedition. Yes, 499 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,480 he discovered going right offshore. I guess it was where near where this one 500 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,159 took off. So you mean he found the record they yeah, and it's 501 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,280 interacting. It's definitely one. I think they call him a pp that was 502 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,599 on TV show. I was with A learned this show. But they had 503 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,599 a triangle. That's one of the things he discovered. But so I haven't 504 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:45,800 heard whether they identified that yet. It could be interesting to find out if 505 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,840 it is one of them being Yeah, do you know if it's true that 506 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,480 there was a ship that was found abandoned on the high seas with no trace 507 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:59,920 of passengers or crew in the triangle. I don't know for sure, Like 508 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:06,159 I know everything about electronic flog, right, I mean I hear that. 509 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,280 Yeah, there's been many stories like that. And then or there was one 510 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,920 coast guard gotten popped with one there. The guy was in the Virgin Island 511 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,719 and small. There was a small sailboat maybe circuits heat and all alone, 512 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,440 and I think it did get caught in some bad weather and so he disappeared. 513 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,079 I couldn't find him. But then it was like the next day, 514 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,079 let's say, but maybe two days later they failed him. They did find 515 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:39,280 him, that they found his boat right the six hundred miles away there's somewhere 516 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,639 clothes short of Florida, I guess, And the boat was empty and undisturbed, 517 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,039 and he was gone. But the coast guard and the coast guard even 518 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:55,880 he quotet this television. He said that it would be impossible for the sail 519 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,400 boat to travel that six hundred miles in the time that they discovered it. 520 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:07,079 Ah, should have taken them three four days or something. So maybe product 521 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:13,719 that electronic bogue like you were. Yeah, maybe he experienced as a sort 522 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:19,079 of space time work. Yeah, so that's what that's what's considered the warp 523 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:24,559 drive. Yeah. Well there's a scientists that a work at withe work working 524 00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:30,280 any scientists, some of them famous and this one is a professor for the 525 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,599 University in the burghast to David Parish and I worked with him down for over 526 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:43,920 ten years and we've done on several TT doctrin entaries together and he's become known 527 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:50,519 for his research on the private attack. There he can work. Hey does 528 00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:55,320 the science of the private a triumph? A science one I experience that he 529 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:01,559 concentrates on that. He's a meteorologist and physical sis, you know, high 530 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:07,920 the degrees and in bots, and he's really brilliant with the mathematics. That's 531 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,800 training what I experienced. And he came up with this default theory than I 532 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:22,559 had about how I traveled one hundred miles in three minutes twenty seconds. I 533 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:28,159 thought that I was in Tillow for like twenty seconds and then I was in 534 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:32,119 the electronic five for three minutes. And during that three minutes. They traveled 535 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:39,840 by posted ninety lions, which would be let space time work. And because 536 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:47,000 normally I can any traveled just a few miles about ninety lions, right assy, 537 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,599 she said, And he's probably correct that. But I was in the 538 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:59,400 tunnel for twenty seconds, and that's little tin space started changing, he says 539 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,360 that, and I came out of that tunnel. I came out ten miles 540 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,480 offshore of Miami Peach instantly, maybe faster than the speed of light, like 541 00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:17,039 a worm. Wow. And then I was in the electronic fog ten miles 542 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,320 off shore with Miami Beach, and then it took me a normal time, 543 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,880 which that slowed down to the normal time. It took three minutes the flight 544 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,159 to ten miles, and then I reached try Any Beach, another breach I 545 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,840 experienced like a base time warp of eighty miles. Instantly heard the work. 546 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:45,559 And so now he's form the group at his university or of doctors baby lawyers 547 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,079 too, because he had a patent. And what he's done is re created 548 00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,559 what I experienced in his laboratory. Really that's the warp drive, because you 549 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:59,199 were talking about he just mentioned the minute. They he's created the warp drive 550 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:05,880 and he and prove it in this laboratory rab trampel from one space to another. 551 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,960 Almo since why that's amazing. So he's trying to get government funding, 552 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,119 which is an easy but he's got a distinguished group working on it. Wishing 553 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:23,880 luck. I've heard the Bermuda triangle referred to as the underwater area fifty one. 554 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:29,639 Do you think there's a connection to ufs An aliens and well, well, 555 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,400 it could be possible the way they talk about the area fifty one, 556 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,000 and there's the area in Andros Island. Artech was very familiar with that, 557 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:49,440 been on that base many times because when I was working on developing in Andros, 558 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,199 I had a good high school friend all the way from high school even 559 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:59,800 before that, he was a he had many degrees in mathematics and so he 560 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,239 was and mathematical scientists that worked for at Autaton Androst and so I used to 561 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,400 pick how up there and we'd go play golf in math sat. But he 562 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:15,599 never let out to any mysterious things. He telling me a couple of little 563 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,840 things that had to do it. Then Pedos, that's what they the post 564 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,280 you want it is true, I mean, that's what the main thing is 565 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,679 that they work on it's term of pedos. So you can tell me a 566 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:32,719 couple of things about torpedoes that he probably shouldn't have told me. But he 567 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:42,519 never mentioned anything strange aliens or anything like that. But the word is that 568 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:47,400 they they're required not to say anything. But then when you guys get older, 569 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,199 they start phil up on the beans and saying yeah, there's they got 570 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,760 it. Yeah, they retire and then they say, I don't have to 571 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,079 keep it a secret anymore. Yeah, that's what they've been doing, all 572 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:07,480 right. I never added at it's a submarine research basis. And so they 573 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,480 do have some cigarettes which the tornado with the torpedoes, and I think they 574 00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,480 may have a purpedo now that can go like five six hundred miles an hour 575 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:22,400 under war. Wow, amazing. Uh, sure, there's much of the 576 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,280 stuff we don't know about right right, Well, why don't you go ahead 577 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,480 and tell my listeners where they can find your books and anything going on with 578 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:36,519 you? Please? Well, my website is electronic sood dot com. They 579 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,039 can check that out. They let messages there like channel on YouTube is permiter 580 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:47,480 side else which is new. But I plan on making the old series of 581 00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:52,000 videos all about the permiuter to triangles. Like I was telling you the King 582 00:51:52,039 --> 00:52:00,760 on One about played my team actually detail the animated version or what I experienced 583 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:07,800 in in the Bahamas, the space time warb and what I experienced everglinked. 584 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:14,920 My latest book is shorter than my other books because it's constantrating and trying to 585 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:22,880 convince everyone that this electronic file is real and what I experienced twice is real. 586 00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,719 People are still saying, oh, there's nothing aroun usual, that the 587 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,199 mystery is solved. It's not sold. So my latest book is kind of 588 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,119 dedicated to try to get these people to believe that there is this mystery out 589 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:45,480 there, and then someone just gonna a group whatever, it's gonna get more 590 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:52,599 data related to it, and then we're gonna find out exactly how it works. 591 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,880 I mean you can I can say then I compare it to lightening. 592 00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:04,519 It's that important too. I mean lightning helped us to harness electricity. And 593 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,039 you know how important that is, you are, So that's how important this 594 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:14,679 electronic fog is. Because once we get this harness, we'll be able to 595 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:22,519 use it to manipulate oh big boy, imagine that boy o blight. We'll 596 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:28,599 be able to go to their planets. So my book is head. Amazon 597 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,000 put this book together for me, so it really did a good job. 598 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:37,239 It's it's in color this time, which makes it big difference. One illustrations 599 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,480 in neur own color. And I get some photos that I took of storms 600 00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:50,199 and books similar to what you've experienced. What's the title at your book. 601 00:53:50,599 --> 00:54:00,440 It's called Permuted Triangle survivor permut To Triangle Survivor. Yeah, I'm the Living 602 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,920 Personal and it's flow to one of these tunnels intermined. It was feared. 603 00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:08,239 It was like, see, and pilots are taught and they would never want 604 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,440 to do it anyway, fly through one of these tunnels. But in the 605 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:17,599 future that they could take a drone. Oh that's true. Yeah, if 606 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,519 somebody can do that the drone, they need to have some scientific instruments on 607 00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:28,599 board. But even if it didn't, they maybe could prove that time is 608 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:34,119 affected because they could throughout flying through one of these storms. They they'd come 609 00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,760 over the Everglades, not every day at all, maybe several times a year, 610 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,280 let's say. And if they could fly that drone and catch it in 611 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,960 one of those tunnels, yeah, yeah, that's you know, that's not 612 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,280 probably get some crazy cool footage for sure. Yeah, you know, the 613 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,079 only last three or four minutes, so right, and then it isn't even 614 00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,000 more difficult to be able to do it. But then let's say they did 615 00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,599 it like down the Everglades one that I got on the video that the tunnel's 616 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:07,039 kind of it's aiming kind of northerly. So let's let's say they entered the 617 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:13,840 tunnel right down there and the Keys and Tunnels was five miles off, and 618 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:20,199 then the drum comes out of the keys donnel and it's way up say it 619 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,960 or Orlanda you say it? And I'm supposed to come out just five miles 620 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:28,639 away from the keys, but it did. See, they wouldn't even need 621 00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,960 any instruments to prove that. If it happened, that would be that would 622 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,320 be like Professor Paris is steing that he entered the tunnel on one end, 623 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:43,519 but when you come out, you come out in another place. So it's 624 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:49,360 something that I hope will happen in the future. Yeah, and then that 625 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,360 would help to prove the phenomena of the electronics law in Israel. Well, 626 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,960 this has been extremely interesting to see the least. Yeah, I want to 627 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:04,199 thank you so much, Bruce for joining me today and sharing your experience and 628 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,119 what happened with you. And I'm excited to hear that you figured out what 629 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,880 it is and hopefully you can get that word out and I can help you 630 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,159 along with that as well. Right, anybody, you're helping me getting this 631 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,000 out, get my message out. And it's not like I figured it out 632 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,480 yet. That's why I'm doing this. I wanted to help. Sure would 633 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:27,119 be you know, amateur scientists, they may do it, and the drone 634 00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,440 experts combination. Let me ask you, if you have the chance to go 635 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,920 through that tunnel again, would you do it? Well, that's a big 636 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,960 question. I mean, was the yeah, the one in the bars. 637 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:45,079 I've often asked myself that would I'd have disappeared? Question if I had stayed 638 00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:51,920 in the center of that tourist shaped, strange, gigantic squaw and formed stated 639 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,800 of this streaming through the tunnel. What what would have happened if I didn't 640 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,679 go through the tunnel and decided to stay in the center of that storm. 641 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,280 Yeah, So the big question is I may disappear, I may go into 642 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,400 another dimension. Yeah, it's hard to say, you know, I still 643 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:14,000 asked myself that him for a long time sometime, but I tried to imagine 644 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,960 what will happen? You know, I know the storm would have dissipated shortly. 645 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,719 They they only ten minutes at the most. Yeah, you wonder if 646 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,480 there's just this window of opportunity and if you miss it, what happened. 647 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,119 Yeah. So if the storm would have dissipated in ten minutes and I'd be 648 00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:35,880 left in the clear blue sky, where would I have disappeared with it? 649 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,159 Yeah? So I don't know the answer. I've asked myself that thousands of 650 00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:45,239 times. I don't know the answer, but it is a girl scary to 651 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,960 think about it. That made me, oh, I'm sure. Hey, 652 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,800 well, we're glad you made it out you were here. Thank you, 653 00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,800 Thank you so much again, it's been a pleasure speaking with you. Okay, 654 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,280 thanks so much, And to you my listeners. If you liked listening 655 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,639 to this week's episode and you're into all things paranormal, check out my other 656 00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:12,000 show, Eleanor Wagner's Creeping at Wheel podcast out of the Coast to Coast Entertainment 657 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,320 Network, which is available wherever you get your podcasts. And if any of 658 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,760 you are interested in reading any of my books, you can find the links 659 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,480 to them on my website, author Eleanor Wagner dot com. 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