Hello world. You're listening to Eleanor Wagner's strange and scary world here on the
Paranormal Uki Radio Network, where we're always creep in it Real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet where the stories and
magic take place. Since nineteen forty five, over one hundred planes of chips
and a thousand people have simply vanished and what is referred to as the Devil's
Triangle into thin air. My guest today is a world leading expert, author,
researcher and theorist. In nineteen seventy had a life changing experience while flying
over the Green Bahamas Bank in his Beechcraft Bonanza eight thirty six. He's been
researching this phenomena on for thirty years ever since it happened, with four books
on the subject. His most recent one is The First Time, where it
shows the illustrations and pictures in color, presenting new details of the anomaly of
what creates this mystery. This Bermuda Triangle survivor is best known as the pilot
who holds the key to the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, and he is
a leading expert witness who has been seeing the fabric of time during that flight
back in nineteen seventy. Please join me in welcoming Bruce Gernan. Welcome Bruce
Well, thank you, eleanor honored to have you as a guest. I'm
right, Shelley got quite impressive Resonrane. Well, Well, thanks thanks for
having me. I've always been both fascinated and terrified by the Bermuda Triangle phenomena,
especially with all the planes and ships that have gone missing. As a
kid, I remember watching an episode of In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy on
the subject matter, and have often wondered what entering the triangle does to planes
and ships. As I understand it. Account stories go back as early as
the fifteenth century, where people were reporting strange activity in parts of the North
Atlantic Ocean. In fourteen ninety two, Christopher Columbus even experienced odd lights and
strange compass readings. You have photos and video animations in the first ever captured
authentic video of the time storm with the Vortex tunnel to prove physical signatures that
your theories are not speculation and what you call electronic fob to be the legitimate
cause of the mystery. Please tell us what happened on that faithful night and
what is meant by electronic fob. Well, I'm that Sacil Day. That
was way back on December fourth, nineteen seventy. That's when I started researching's
It's gone going on like fifty three years now, and it was such an
incredible experience set that I never was able to forget it. So I will
now worked on my memory on purpose for several years, just to make it
like a permanent part with my memory, but then I would protect about it.
Almost having Day two. I knew when I fariences said someday maybe it
may be important for the world to know about, but I never realized it
would be fifty three years and I'm still still trying to convince people that there's
really something out there in the Barada Triangle that causes a mystery. It's something
now you could consider to be paranormal or super normal, because mainstream science will
not recognize it right now. So if it's not scientific, then what is
it. It's paranonal, but to me it looked very real. That's why
I memorized it was an experienced pilot. It's flying to back and forth,
in the Bahamas, and I had about six hundred hours of flight time.
I was only twenty three years old, and so I'm just one particular flight.
They're leaving Androws. We had spent the night there on Andros Island,
and we were planning on leaven first sing in the morning, and we had
a new Beachcraft Bonanza, a thirty six that's a single engine, six passengers,
and was my day at night, and we had a business partner that
was with us this time, and we couldn't go in the morning because there
was some heavy rain showers sheet apparently as far as we could see around the
island, and back then we couldn't get any weather reports there was There wasn't
even a telephone on the island, so we just had to weight it out
and it finally started to live up after any and then we headed towards the
airport. By three o'clock it was clear enough to go ahead and take off
in the light rain then overcast about fifteen hundred feet and we were able to
depart, had lift off exactly three o'clock. Back then, we we would
have to fly mostly on dead reckoning, which means we would use the compass
and we'd be monitoring the time. Time was critical. Back then, we
did have some electronic instruments so that we could also use so we were able
to pick up Bimony. Our heading was going to be to the north west,
and we had that automatic direction finder that enabled us to pick up a
tower on Bimony and we and the need on our instrument would point towards the
tower, so that coordinated with our padding. And we entered our time and
flew over the interior of the island of Androws. So we've flew for about
ten minutes, and then we reached the western shore of Androws where the ocean
called the Great Bahamma Bank. That's a large area shallow are only about ten
or fifteen feet deep in between Andros and Bimini, and it's about a hundred
miles between the two islands, and looked perfectly clear. How when we rexed
ocean, so I was able to start my ascent for one thousand feet.
We planned to cruise at ten thousand, five hundred feet, so I started
climbing up and then I noticed in front of me was unusual cloud. It
was just hovering over the ocean and it was about a mile along half a
mile wide, and these thousand feet thick, and they've had three smooth,
silky edges to it, which is unusual for a cloud to be that low.
It's only about five about the ocean, and it wasn't molding, but
the winds were like so that wasn't really unusual. And although the cloud was
unusual, it looked harmless, so I wouldn't had it's climbed over it because
it was right in our right path. And then when I reached a higher
altitude about three thousand feet, I was here a little contact the Miami Air
Traffic Control and I found my flight plan with them, and I got a
weather report from them, and they said the weather was clear between Andros and
Florida, and there was a large seleti starms scattered over South Florida. But
they said I could wouldn't have a problem circuing them from gating around several That
sounded really good, so I kept climbing that. Then I noticed had that
small inarticular cloud, it'd done something very unusual. It seemed like it had
expanded at it very unusual rate rapidly, and it was right underneath the plane.
And while we're still climbing up and I thought, well, it must
be the birth of a chaming long nimbus slunder start. And I just happened
to fly right over it, and that was unusual, word coat, I
guess it could happen, and so I just kept finding and maintaining the heading
toward Bimini. Then it caught up to me, climbing into thousand feet a
minute, and it climbed up faster than me, so I had to go
in it. And when I were penetrated into it, and it was clear,
I mean not clear, it was it was stable, but there were
updrafts and the visibility was very low, but it looked like a typical cloud
at side, but the visibility was about the same, maybe only see harder
seat. And then it pushed me out of the clouds, so apparently had
some updrafts in it, and I popped up above it. I thought I
was gonna be good, and I got a couple hundred feet above it,
and then starts getting up to me again. So then they went back in
it again, and I'd go in for about thirty seconds and then I'd prop
out. So this wasn't a fide different times and slightly my dad said maybe
We've had to turn around and go back to Androws, he said, because
we couldn't get away from the storm. I didn't think that was a good
idea, because the storm was building up below us and behind us. It'd
be worse to go back into it trying and to escape it. So we
continued. I told her we continue. They the cylinder or two more so,
then when we got to eleven thousand and five hundred, we popped out
right out of the cloud and got away from it. So I leveled off
and then but ten So then when I looked back and around the league,
I neither side it was really anice. At what I saw, this small
lentage clear cloud had spread out into apparently got a huge squall. The squall
was unusual, or I mean it was. It looked like about twenty thousand
feet higher. It was very select, that's what was strange and not And
it was curved in the shape of a circle, sem a semi circle.
And I could see on either side and about at least ten miles, so
I saw twenty miles of the storm. It was like a perfect curve.
I thought that was a little unusual, But then I started cruising around two
hundred miles an hour, and then got out of view of it. It
was in clear air again, and I kind of forgot about it because it
was a little bit scary going on through that out and finally escaping it,
and so I just kind of forgot about it and tried to relax, started
cursing, still on course to Pitmany, and then after only a few more
minutes, I look in front of me and now this huge storm was right
in front enemy had the same strange symmetrical curve to it, and now it
built up to it was too too high for me to fly over it,
and I thought, well, I could fly under it, But then I
took a closer look and another on the usual thing was it. It was
land right on the surface of the ocean, didn't have any ceiling too in
the base, and no rain. It's almost kind of like fog sitting on
the ocean, like that normal cloudstone too the hy Anyway, I'm maintained my
head aim and figuring, well, I'll penetrate into I mean, we can't
fly through it. See what it looks like. And we went inside and
it was stable, and this time the visibility was much better, at least
two miles because I could see the ocean room two miles below and people we
went then I started knowing were sending these flashes. I got more and more
intense as we went on, so I was I only was in there for
a minute there, maybe well three miles deep. And at that point the
flashes were so strong that kind of scared me, and I'd figured about I
could get out of here. They weren't lightning bolts, so the all slashes.
They got to the point where all I could see was a black abyss
and then the flash would ignite and then I could see the ocean. But
so anyway, let me a sharp turn to the laugh and start ahead and
do south pop peck Hollis storm and started flying along the edge of the store.
At that point I contacted Miami, and MIAMIMI radio told me that the
weather was clear, but I told them they told it in that early clear
now, So I told him I was going around this big squalls and see
if I could get it around that. So it's going to head south full
at it and deviated from lights like that. So there we're real calm about
it, as if the storm wasn't there. And they said, oh fine,
let let us go and when you get around it. Apparently I don't
think they saw the storm on the raydar art that I don't believe this type
of storm shows up on the radar, because this is a lot of typical
storm that's had thing In this instance, it could be a methane gas bursting
from the Earth that had nights with the atmosphere and forearm was this storm because
it was moving way over chown when I was an hour and it would be
more like an ignition than an air flower wind that everything light like pouring a
circle of gasoline and lightening out one end and then it rapidly spreads out.
I think that's what this thing did. It was like a gas bubble coming
up out of the earth, huge bubble. It was like a doughnut shape,
tourist shape. Didn't realize that until I started to fly around it,
and I could see I can't fly around it because it's going connecting right back
to where I came from. So it happened to notice where two ends of
it were meeting, and it was like the opposite end of where it formed
and the connected on the bottom. And then there was like a big valley
and it was to the west and the still I figured out without great fly
between the clouds and be back in clear air again. So then it is
two anblehead and either each cloud formed an anvilhead, one on the left and
one on the right, and then the handlehead spread out and connected on the
top. And this was after I had decided to fly through the valley.
But now it turned into a horizontal tunnel. At first the tunnel was really
quite large, was some feet or or then it it rapidly was got smaller.
I appeared the center of it was around ten thousand feet, so I
started died down and increased the steed to and structure red line where at two
hundred thirty milents an hour. When I entered this tunnel, something incredible happened
because when I was outside the tunnel, I could see through it, and
I could see the clear blue sky on the other side, and it was
normal looking the tunnel anyway. Put and when I entered it, instantly something
credible happened, and it's almost like the tunnel ignited. I could see that
immediately saw these strange lines and pretty hard to explain that. I've got graphic
illustrations are in my book, and there's also been many animations television and documentaries.
YouTube has a lot of them that have animated what it looked like like
when through there. So what was happening when I went through over there?
I believe it has something that time and space and apparently who it was that
was the beginning of the space time war that I ignite it with the masssive
light aircraft penetrating into this tunnel created the vision that was able to see,
and that apparently was the fabric of time was what I was looking at.
And it's like I should have been in there for about three minutes because the
tunnel appeared to be about twelve miles long, and at the speed I was
flying, that should take about three minutes to reach the other end, but
it was rapidly closing. When I entered it, it was maybe three hundred
feet and dining in winter. But after after owning about ten seconds, it
was less than a hundred feet than dying whatever, and it got more and
more narrow and I was able to reach the other end of it only took
twenty seconds instead of three minutes. And then another pretty incredible thing happened when
I reached the other end of it, the wing tips scraped the edges of
it, because now it was down to less than thirty three feet, which
is a wingspan, and when I can pop down of it. I looked
behind me and I watched the clothes right behind me, and it turned slip
and it was still rotating it popwise when I looked at it from that direction,
but while I was inside it was aligns rotating counter look and at that
same time as I escaped, the sensation, the only real physical sensation I
ever got the whole flight, was this zero gravity feeling at it lasted about
ten seconds. It was also different than zero gravity. It was it felt
like hydroplane also, so it felt like it was a zero gravity but like
a skidding ye that dad same tone of amram. The clear blue sky disappeared,
also wearing. While what happened it was pure blue clear. Now it's
all hazy. This is where I but caught in what I call electronic toilet,
something very unusual. I thought it was a fall at the time,
and I was flying through it. Everything looks strange. It was hard to
explain what everything looked like. The visibility appeared to be good, but I
couldn't really see anything, so it couldn't be good, but it appeared almost
clear. I could kind of see the ocean, and that didn't look normal
at OH I couldn't see the horizon and looked at my instruments to check my
position, and I had a hard time figuring out my location. I should
be ninety lyles east of Mariami, so that's my dad. He used our
navigator co Coimney position fix and he fumbled with the instruments and he can figure
out where we were either. And then I noticed that the compass itself was
slowly rotating counterpodwise non stop, and all the electronic navigation showing. So that
was another unusual thing, and like one should their attack family by position because
of that, and I knew where I ought to be, but I still
couldn't verify it. I was I was a hundred miles trung in Miami when
they entered the tunnel, so when I came out there, I should be
like eighty eighty miles from my hand. And so I was able to contact
Miami Air Truck Control and asked him to help me with my location, and
they checked it out on their radar and they couldn't find me. I had
a transplunder instrument that was supposed to help identify me a radar and that was
it warkoom. So they said they didn't have any airplanes in between. Andrews
fn ami at it. So that didn't help with Off calling him on the
radio. I guess then they could tell that I was in distress. It
sure did. I didn't want to admit it because that was kind of like
a macho attitude. Twenty three. Nothing readily scared me, so I kept
flying. But my dad went into a state hand at this point and grabbed
the microphone from and he started yelling it it controller. That didn't help.
I could see Anna King, so I grabbed the mic back from him,
and that was a little common down. So there they are passing. German
business partner in the back seat grabs on my shoulder and starts telling me his
language had changed. He he couldn't really speak, he was he was just
saying in all different strange words, made no sense, mean no sense at
a. I couldn't understand one word that he said. Oh boy, he
looked on a normal a little bit. So this is that fog. Actually
it's causing this exfusion and I'm still thinking I'm flying through the squad not understand
why everything's so unusual and strange. And so three minutes by, and so
I was able to just name tained my heading when I didn't make any turns,
which is a good thing because when when I went into the fog,
I was heading directly for it easter me. So I maintained that any in
my mind. Anyway, I couldn't use the inst so I kind of used
my imagination to maintain the straight level reading. And so we were like that
for about three minutes, and then the radar controller comes back on the microphone
and there was like radars say, silence minutes eating with heavy traffic all round
Miami. I think everybody was listening to the trying to think what's happening to
you? And so the radar control it was really excited that it sounded up
playing right over Miami Beach. And I told him, not negative that got
us. We're probably more like gating ailess. He said, are you sure?
And then the strange thing this slot I call electronic slot, electronically dissipated.
You have to see what that looks like. Not too many animators have
got that right, but I've got a graphic illustration in the book that gives
you a pretty good idea it once it looks like. And I've created some
videos that will show what it looked like, but I haven't presented them yet
to the public. Tooked about ten seconds, and what happened was these lines,
strange lines formed parallel to the direction and slide of the air player,
and then each line cracked open and I could see blue you understand, I'm
sorry, you could see what boost sky And only took about ten seconds.
The fog cracked open and the fog smaller and smaller, chill do onything left
was the blue sky, and so I call it electronic piece. Right after
it happened, you know, I looked back expecting to see this huge cloud
that I had been flying through, and there it was perfectly clear sky behind
me. There was no fog bank See, that was the electronic fog that
was connected to I didn't realize it. It took me thirty years and researched
it finally stayed around. Why And it's because it was connected with me flying
with me. No one ever realized it that was possible. You know,
there had been pilots, planes and boats and cars that had been in it,
and they all you say, flying through it just but no, this
is just something different. Me fly with it. So I told the control
while you're right, that's why any va trap below me anything was possible because
I've only been flying for thirty three minutes. In just three minutes and dirty
seconds ago, i was one hundred miles east from Miami and now I'm right
over Miami, So that part didn't make sense at all. So it was
kind of like a time traveled you or teleported you one hundred miles quicker than
you should have even legitimately been right somehow, I didn't know how. That's
what. Wow, What was it that you saw in the lines? Again?
What I saw in the lines? Yes, well, I just saw
how they split apart. It started off as a line and then it turned
into like a split and cracking, a crack that opened up and I could
see the turboo sky on the other side. So, in other words,
this fog was like a cocoone that was wrapped around the airplane. M hmm.
Sere in the egg shape, sure, but it was maybe one hundred
yards sick or so. Do you think it's possible that each of those lines
might have been a different time space. It has something to do with times
electronic thing dissipated and disappeared within ten seconds, and I think it has something
to do with the ocean and the land mass. I was over the ocean
the whole time I was in it, and then it has right when I
reached the land. I've experienced it a second time over the Everglades and just
the opposite, and I was over the land and then it attached to me.
So I decided to get away from it with be to try to go
to the ocean. So I made to turn to the ocean, and when
I reached the ocean this time it's slowly detached it in a different manner,
but then in a electronic dissipation. The way it dissipated it was not like
a normal cloud or a thought, and it had some kind of magnetism extend
with it that mad act different and others. So from there I was still
at ten feet over Miami. I signed off with the radar controller pull it
on to Palm Beach, and I had to go the way out west because
they storm over Fort Lauderdale and another one out over the Everglades. I had
to fly in the tweed and this and again it's like then and this time
was I had to fly like through under a bridge. It was the only
clear spot in between the two big storms. That was kind of on too.
But I did that and then headed back over to probably each international and
kept our playing. And so when I touched it down, I just took
the clock saying it was it was forty seven minutes theither it's always taken eighty
year, ninety minutes and many times. And then also beater through research with
my physics professors, that gave me the idea to check the gas receipts,
which we kept records of them, and it ends up but I used ten
gallons less you are normally it would burr. Wow. That kind of ads
to the hard Troopers. Yeah, I've got the original guests seats. In
December fourth, nineteen seventeen, aftern got back on track and you realize that
Miami was right below you, how did your dad and the business partner react,
How did they feel? Was everything normal after that? Yeah? Say,
well, as soon as the electronic thought participated, everything was that got
instantly a back to normal. All the instruments start working. My business partner
in the back seat started talking normally, but dance up fine and I felt
fine the whole time. But I find this electronic thought that can affect people
in different ways. Remember, they could and make will go to sleep.
They can make a nauseous like our business partner, and they can make him
panicked like Mr Dan. And they can induce spatial disorientation to pilots, which
is the worst thing that can happen to a pilot because at once that is
ingrained in your brain, You're gonna go into a great yard, spar up
and sparber down onto the ocean, ry land prapsh. Now the business partner,
did you tell him that you couldn't understand what he was saying? And
how did he react to that? Right? You know? I know I
ever really told him that. Sure, I told him my dad, but
we couldn't figure out what happens. So I talked to my dad about out
Over the years, not so much our business part Now we kind of broke
up a couple of years after. We still remain friends. He claimed that
his family came up to me many years later after my first and said that
they said the kids that were brand children his name is chuckle Offiette. They
were amazed to see see that he was in the book with me, and
because he used to talk to them, he experienced and one of the things
that you told him cracked me up. And I heard that he told his
grand children that when he looked at his watch that the hands were spinning.
Oh but interesting, that can't be true. That can't be true. Oh
wait, he was all like Disney and not even close to the horble.
So maybe he actually did look at his watching and it looked like the hands
were spinning. Right, Yeah, because this flag came a thick people in
different ways, for sure. So spending the rest of my life, you're
trying to prove and it's real. Let people know about it because it can
save their bikes just to happen to get thought in that, especially if they're
flying on an airplane. All pilots should be familiar with this, but all
thought that they're not familiar with it because main streams science still won't recognize.
Yeah, it's terrible. You guys were very very lucky, very lucky to
have made it out, especially with the history of so many losses already.
Yeah, yeah, we're lucky. That's for sure. Kind of like say,
kind of through there somehow. Maybe it's your mission is meant to get
the word out there and help people, especially pilots. Yeah, that's like
my mission now to risk them my life. We're working on this way where
I can to get the word out there because I don't know the person should
it may be around SI the center. Has the population believe dere's no mystery
there? M hm, because a lot of a lot of these writers and
scientists they are even saying and now there's nothing unusual there. They've solved the
mystery they claimed, which they did. Ben Larry Crush did that a long
time ago, and everybody started writing books about this in the seventies. He
was the first one to prove in his mind anyway that there's nothing unusual going
out out there with you. I know there's something unusual. Yeah, I
call it electronic fog. It could be a natural phenomenon. It happens over
the Everglades. Experienced it there. That's an entirely another story that I was
going to tell you all about. So I'd photographed tunnels. They're similar,
very similar to the one. Over the years. I've got a photo of
two photos I captured in nineteen seventy eight. It shows how to these storms
formed. They were all stories around two miles high and they only glass between
four minutes and then they collapse. Then, not long ago, just a
couple of years ago, I was stay able to capture the first one to
learn our video over the Everglades because I've been researching the Everglades for many years.
I mean for twenty years. But I would slide back and forth over
the Everglades where called me, cand on me, and then fly over the
Everglades to the Florida Keys or I had real estate properties in good places.
I would fly at least once a week for twenty years, then totally delayed
what's calling out in the Everglades. So I was finally able to capture the
video or one of these storms. I call it the time storm or a
vortech thunderstorm. And actually my granddaughter was smart enough to capture it new Apple's
cell phone because I was so excited anying what's going on. It's a group
of us together when we witnessed this, and so I'm telling everybody all about
it, and then they never even think of video on it. The sheep
de is it's really great. Wow, that's cool. It's a hundred percent
and natural the ones that form over the everglades. And my theory is that
after the tunnel collapses after three minutes from its creation, before it admits this
fear like a puff, it spits out with a puff of this electronic file,
and then this file may expand a little bit and knows that maybe how
to the arts or something kind of like could be in the shape of a
ball, and it would probably difficult to see it and ray there. It
does a lot pick it up, and it depends on the winds. It
could be up drafts and it could go where, it could be down drafts,
and it could go all the way down to the circus. And this
is a natural phenomena and they've seen many times, and there's a spot or
in the everglades where it forms quite often. There's been several pilots that have
become spatial disoriented because of it right that same area, but the one in
the Bahamas over the Great Boundary Bank, but that was stifferently. That's the
one one that I take that thing that that methane could be involved in that
it's much larger than the ones in the Everglades. So I got a different
name from that. I call that a circular for texts school. It should
be pretty dangerous to it doesn't last very long. I'm like a time storm.
We can take that thunderstorm keep take you know, an hour to form.
It doesn't spread out like the circular or takes ball is rapidly. And
I mean apparently in that circulars so all the way why it lasts like wilno
riis twenty ren so. And I recently realize that that doesn't show up on
radar either, because when I got my weather report, they said there were
no storms, all right clear Yeah. And then then like ten minutes later
I talked to it again and the middle of this huge storm, and I
told the radar controller I was you know, I tried to fly around it.
He actually like there was a storm at all. Now you know that
they think back. He was very calm cash He told me just just let
him know. I do you get rounded it like like it was nothing.
Yeah. I don't think he saw it. It was not as radar.
He probably said at oh, it's probably just some tidy clouds or something.
Yeah, a big cloud radar and pick up clouds. H. Yeah,
it was just the opposite. When I reached my peach to the guy was
screaming at me because it's that that's interesting his reaction. Yeah, so that
kind of tells me that he never saw that the storm was sounding gradar.
Oh and then h that was in nineteen seventy. And then in the nineteen
ninety six this experience over the Everglades where the electronics flog it wasn't as powerful
as the electronic fogg in nineteen seventy that that captured it. So that's twenty
six years there later, and I didn't have my theory that it attaches to
the aircraft. Yet I didn't get dead until four years later, in the
year two thoushanold. So like fire were the Everglades and instantly the famag attaches
to me back then or there's no such thing as fun attaches then. So
I thought, oh, wow, the ever Blades is covered with flog.
Let's get a little to work. Because I didn't have a lot of shoel
that I didn't want. I was hoping it was fogg wasn't too white spread.
So I called up the not the radar control everybody. I was actually
able to contact the weather Bureau. I asked him by any weather bureau and
asked him, well, how extensive is this twog? Because I'm planning on
going up to Palm Beach, which which was like one hundred miles away,
and I didn't want that to be sought in either. See on the farm
was only below me, only below the aircraft. It was a weaker form
of the electronic fog apparently. But anyway, the weather ran He says to
me, what's the fog are you talking about? And I says, well,
all this fog out here over there cover Glea, he says. He
says, didn't no fog report and anywhere in Florida. He says, what
you got chidl In flying over all this fog? Sa Richneld fog says.
I had to sign off for them decide what did so? I decided to
turn to the right and head east, hold over the ocean. And again
I guess it was fade or something that that's part of my theories. See,
when if you go from the mainland to the ocean, the fog will
detach, or just the opposite there would the ocean and you go to the
mainland, it would detach. So when I turned to go towards the ocean,
I noticed the hole right below the air There's like a hole in the
plants the fog. So at that time usually and then I'm looking through the
hole and I can see that earth. Everybody's below me. Groven samet speed
as meia hundred and eighty miles an hour, thinking went our way, this
is impossible, imp they can't. They can't be a hole through the fog.
It's going to travel with me at hundred eighty miles an hour. M
interesting, So I figured, well, this is maybe it's just some kind
of phenophenomenon and I'm not familiar with. But anyway, once they started aiming
toward the ocean, the whole started getting bigger, and then it got to
the point where it hit the whole guy so big it was perfectly round the
whole time. It had spread out all the way to pass the wings where
I could see way passed them until there was nothing left like a rail up
this like trocolate fog all around the airplane and still ear and the wind detached
from they were plane over Miami. I mean, I thought those lines and
I was telling about that crack cope, but I thought there were a few
miles and so this ring around the airplane, I thought it's a few miles
away from it, because when I looked through it, there would be like
a gap, a split and whatever I was looking at it some like spy
clowns, some buildings over Miami, it would be split where wherever I looked
to That's really weird, it was. I guess again the dam would be
the fabric of time, and I'm seeing that split the cut in the in
the ring around the air The time didn't change a whole lot of They had
changed a few seconds, so I didn't notice it. Strangely enough, I
mean this ring stayed around the airplane the entire forty five minutes flight back to
Palm Beach, and it didn't detach until the wheel. And wow, I
had the idea it was bud. Then in two thousand, the year two
thousand, like researching the other pilots experience, Martin Keaton was was the key
that given it to He had he had experienced the electronics with a group of
distinguished mediator maybe men marines too. He wrote about it three or four different
occasions, and so he explained when he looked like he he had a whole
above the airplane and one below, just like I had the one below.
But he also had the one a book that would be a little bit bit
stronger. Electronic flop. He exploding in great detailer he was saying, it's
true by three hours? Oh really? Yeah, And I had all these
witnesses with nobody could understand it or explain it. This was probably back in
the seventies. Is it your opinion and your belief that, for example,
the five Navy bombers got banished on that routine training mission, Is it your
belief that they got disoriented and crashed. Yes, that there's a reason they
got just sorry, it's called electronic flop. And I'm preparing to do a
video for YouTube on that subject. Why do you suppose that they didn't find
any pieces of the wreckage though, well, it's a really big ocean,
But yeah, I mean they should they should have been something QUI. Yeah,
they trained on how to open the hatch throughout the life craft that brought
them back inflates man, and they were all already had near life jackets.
Those pilots don't even bother putting light jackets on and they're flying over the ocean.
These guys were required too, and then all five of them of the
airplanes had the rafts and all I think they were fourteen airmen had their life
vest so those things off float. Yeah, she can't managing all five of
them crashed so band that that it killed her instantly. You would take that.
Yeah, they would have got outside. Yeah, and then eventually it
would drift up on the shore, like you know the Malaysian airliner that crashed.
All kinds of pieces the drifted. I'm sure dozen it's a piece.
Isn't it true that the rescue plane disappeared as well? Yeah, this strange
point set. It may have blown up because they called it a flying gas
tank. They have discovered one of the Josh skates from expedition. Yes,
he discovered going right offshore. I guess it was where near where this one
took off. So you mean he found the record they yeah, and it's
interacting. It's definitely one. I think they call him a pp that was
on TV show. I was with A learned this show. But they had
a triangle. That's one of the things he discovered. But so I haven't
heard whether they identified that yet. It could be interesting to find out if
it is one of them being Yeah, do you know if it's true that
there was a ship that was found abandoned on the high seas with no trace
of passengers or crew in the triangle. I don't know for sure, Like
I know everything about electronic flog, right, I mean I hear that.
Yeah, there's been many stories like that. And then or there was one
coast guard gotten popped with one there. The guy was in the Virgin Island
and small. There was a small sailboat maybe circuits heat and all alone,
and I think it did get caught in some bad weather and so he disappeared.
I couldn't find him. But then it was like the next day,
let's say, but maybe two days later they failed him. They did find
him, that they found his boat right the six hundred miles away there's somewhere
clothes short of Florida, I guess, And the boat was empty and undisturbed,
and he was gone. But the coast guard and the coast guard even
he quotet this television. He said that it would be impossible for the sail
boat to travel that six hundred miles in the time that they discovered it.
Ah, should have taken them three four days or something. So maybe product
that electronic bogue like you were. Yeah, maybe he experienced as a sort
of space time work. Yeah, so that's what that's what's considered the warp
drive. Yeah. Well there's a scientists that a work at withe work working
any scientists, some of them famous and this one is a professor for the
University in the burghast to David Parish and I worked with him down for over
ten years and we've done on several TT doctrin entaries together and he's become known
for his research on the private attack. There he can work. Hey does
the science of the private a triumph? A science one I experience that he
concentrates on that. He's a meteorologist and physical sis, you know, high
the degrees and in bots, and he's really brilliant with the mathematics. That's
training what I experienced. And he came up with this default theory than I
had about how I traveled one hundred miles in three minutes twenty seconds. I
thought that I was in Tillow for like twenty seconds and then I was in
the electronic five for three minutes. And during that three minutes. They traveled
by posted ninety lions, which would be let space time work. And because
normally I can any traveled just a few miles about ninety lions, right assy,
she said, And he's probably correct that. But I was in the
tunnel for twenty seconds, and that's little tin space started changing, he says
that, and I came out of that tunnel. I came out ten miles
offshore of Miami Peach instantly, maybe faster than the speed of light, like
a worm. Wow. And then I was in the electronic fog ten miles
off shore with Miami Beach, and then it took me a normal time,
which that slowed down to the normal time. It took three minutes the flight
to ten miles, and then I reached try Any Beach, another breach I
experienced like a base time warp of eighty miles. Instantly heard the work.
And so now he's form the group at his university or of doctors baby lawyers
too, because he had a patent. And what he's done is re created
what I experienced in his laboratory. Really that's the warp drive, because you
were talking about he just mentioned the minute. They he's created the warp drive
and he and prove it in this laboratory rab trampel from one space to another.
Almo since why that's amazing. So he's trying to get government funding,
which is an easy but he's got a distinguished group working on it. Wishing
luck. I've heard the Bermuda triangle referred to as the underwater area fifty one.
Do you think there's a connection to ufs An aliens and well, well,
it could be possible the way they talk about the area fifty one,
and there's the area in Andros Island. Artech was very familiar with that,
been on that base many times because when I was working on developing in Andros,
I had a good high school friend all the way from high school even
before that, he was a he had many degrees in mathematics and so he
was and mathematical scientists that worked for at Autaton Androst and so I used to
pick how up there and we'd go play golf in math sat. But he
never let out to any mysterious things. He telling me a couple of little
things that had to do it. Then Pedos, that's what they the post
you want it is true, I mean, that's what the main thing is
that they work on it's term of pedos. So you can tell me a
couple of things about torpedoes that he probably shouldn't have told me. But he
never mentioned anything strange aliens or anything like that. But the word is that
they they're required not to say anything. But then when you guys get older,
they start phil up on the beans and saying yeah, there's they got
it. Yeah, they retire and then they say, I don't have to
keep it a secret anymore. Yeah, that's what they've been doing, all
right. I never added at it's a submarine research basis. And so they
do have some cigarettes which the tornado with the torpedoes, and I think they
may have a purpedo now that can go like five six hundred miles an hour
under war. Wow, amazing. Uh, sure, there's much of the
stuff we don't know about right right, Well, why don't you go ahead
and tell my listeners where they can find your books and anything going on with
you? Please? Well, my website is electronic sood dot com. They
can check that out. They let messages there like channel on YouTube is permiter
side else which is new. But I plan on making the old series of
videos all about the permiuter to triangles. Like I was telling you the King
on One about played my team actually detail the animated version or what I experienced
in in the Bahamas, the space time warb and what I experienced everglinked.
My latest book is shorter than my other books because it's constantrating and trying to
convince everyone that this electronic file is real and what I experienced twice is real.
People are still saying, oh, there's nothing aroun usual, that the
mystery is solved. It's not sold. So my latest book is kind of
dedicated to try to get these people to believe that there is this mystery out
there, and then someone just gonna a group whatever, it's gonna get more
data related to it, and then we're gonna find out exactly how it works.
I mean you can I can say then I compare it to lightening.
It's that important too. I mean lightning helped us to harness electricity. And
you know how important that is, you are, So that's how important this
electronic fog is. Because once we get this harness, we'll be able to
use it to manipulate oh big boy, imagine that boy o blight. We'll
be able to go to their planets. So my book is head. Amazon
put this book together for me, so it really did a good job.
It's it's in color this time, which makes it big difference. One illustrations
in neur own color. And I get some photos that I took of storms
and books similar to what you've experienced. What's the title at your book.
It's called Permuted Triangle survivor permut To Triangle Survivor. Yeah, I'm the Living
Personal and it's flow to one of these tunnels intermined. It was feared.
It was like, see, and pilots are taught and they would never want
to do it anyway, fly through one of these tunnels. But in the
future that they could take a drone. Oh that's true. Yeah, if
somebody can do that the drone, they need to have some scientific instruments on
board. But even if it didn't, they maybe could prove that time is
affected because they could throughout flying through one of these storms. They they'd come
over the Everglades, not every day at all, maybe several times a year,
let's say. And if they could fly that drone and catch it in
one of those tunnels, yeah, yeah, that's you know, that's not
probably get some crazy cool footage for sure. Yeah, you know, the
only last three or four minutes, so right, and then it isn't even
more difficult to be able to do it. But then let's say they did
it like down the Everglades one that I got on the video that the tunnel's
kind of it's aiming kind of northerly. So let's let's say they entered the
tunnel right down there and the Keys and Tunnels was five miles off, and
then the drum comes out of the keys donnel and it's way up say it
or Orlanda you say it? And I'm supposed to come out just five miles
away from the keys, but it did. See, they wouldn't even need
any instruments to prove that. If it happened, that would be that would
be like Professor Paris is steing that he entered the tunnel on one end,
but when you come out, you come out in another place. So it's
something that I hope will happen in the future. Yeah, and then that
would help to prove the phenomena of the electronics law in Israel. Well,
this has been extremely interesting to see the least. Yeah, I want to
thank you so much, Bruce for joining me today and sharing your experience and
what happened with you. And I'm excited to hear that you figured out what
it is and hopefully you can get that word out and I can help you
along with that as well. Right, anybody, you're helping me getting this
out, get my message out. And it's not like I figured it out
yet. That's why I'm doing this. I wanted to help. Sure would
be you know, amateur scientists, they may do it, and the drone
experts combination. Let me ask you, if you have the chance to go
through that tunnel again, would you do it? Well, that's a big
question. I mean, was the yeah, the one in the bars.
I've often asked myself that would I'd have disappeared? Question if I had stayed
in the center of that tourist shaped, strange, gigantic squaw and formed stated
of this streaming through the tunnel. What what would have happened if I didn't
go through the tunnel and decided to stay in the center of that storm.
Yeah, So the big question is I may disappear, I may go into
another dimension. Yeah, it's hard to say, you know, I still
asked myself that him for a long time sometime, but I tried to imagine
what will happen? You know, I know the storm would have dissipated shortly.
They they only ten minutes at the most. Yeah, you wonder if
there's just this window of opportunity and if you miss it, what happened.
Yeah. So if the storm would have dissipated in ten minutes and I'd be
left in the clear blue sky, where would I have disappeared with it?
Yeah? So I don't know the answer. I've asked myself that thousands of
times. I don't know the answer, but it is a girl scary to
think about it. That made me, oh, I'm sure. Hey,
well, we're glad you made it out you were here. Thank you,
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