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We are back back in the age of transitions. We never left. This
is our time, this is our place where we're here, either we like
it or not. And so many things happening. There's a lot on my
mind, a lot that I think I'm going to talk about, lots of
stuff that before the show, like even the whole week, and I kind
of, you know, I've taken to reading a lot of news articles.
Actually the past even year i've been doing this, I've been basically like reading
a lot of news articles. Where before I didn't do so much. Now
I do for what that's worth, and maybe well, I'm going to try
to cover some newsworthy events, but also try to get the greater context as
far as I'm concerned from what I can gather, and before we even start
here, I think I'm going to mention some geopolitical things, and I will
just say at the outset, geopolitics is not my specialty. I am,
by no means an expert. I don't always know what I I'm talking about,
So if you know, if I'm doing this at my own risk,
but just you know anything, I'm not pretending to be like the world's foremost
authority on anything I'm even saying here, So just just putting that out there.
This is my take, my commentary on things, So we'll say that
now. I'd also like to, at the outset, try to I don't
know if I'm going to hit all these I'm certainly not going to hit them
in any sort of I'm not going to be able to do any real justice
to any of these given topics. But I just want to point out that
things that I think are interesting and important to be noting within these news stories.
But just you know, the overall moment we're in are the American Empire
and its status we are, of course, assuming there is such a thing
as an American empire, I think you can stay that there is certainly,
America has been dominant geopolitically since the post war period. It's been the major
player on the globe. Right, can we agree to that? I think
so that status as the top dog on the world stage is in jeopardy.
Right, So everything from America's influence geopolitically to its foreign policy choices, right,
the foreign policy choices we've been making for decades now and going into the
future. Can America keep up and keep on doing what it has been doing
for some time now? Is it sustainable? The foreign policy almost schizophrenic foreign
policy. It's if you're saying, like there's there's a clear and defined strategy
to America's foreign policy. Again, that's where things get schizophrenic, like wait,
what is the idea behind this? What are we going for? Like
we're saying one thing, we're doing another. Like, so, yeah,
there's there's that, There's been that the whole time. But that America's foreign
policy, they're influenced on geopolitics, their placed in the world. Right,
That's one thing I'd like to try to get to and and talk to the
other thing. One of the other things is the propaganda matrix that we're within,
and not just the the the understanding that we now must realize that we
live in a multi polar propaganda matrix. It's not, I think, what
most people want to defer to, and certainly like the contrarian, conspiratorial,
anti establishment whatever the folks who are supposedly should be freethinkers, right, whatever
that group is, or whatever groups of those people are, like the alternative
right, the alternative crowd. I think we all want to defer to the
simplistic concept that the propaganda we have to look out for is that of what
the US government or something like that, or our establishment, the Western establishment,
right, because that's because again I think part of the thinking is actually
comes from the concept like, look, America has been the top dog geopolitically,
They've done all this over the years, They've been tanged power. They
are the ones who are pulling the strings or are causing the problems. That's
therefore we look to only them when we're analyzing propaganda, because they are always
the perpetrators, you know, just a very narrow minded view of propaganda,
especially given the situation now where the ability to craft influence operations. If you're
not up on that buzzword, get up on it. Sounds like a cool
song. But anyway, influence operations is the term being thrown all about as
as well it should. They can be crafted by even individuals at this point,
So individuals, corporate players, mercenary outfits, governments, small and large,
governments alike, terrorist groups, you name it, any sort of weird
little pocket of somebody, or even like political activists can do this. And
so just you know, name a special interest group of any given kind,
they can craft influence operations easier than ever. And certainly when you're talking about
governments trying to get their way and move their gender forward, so you have
to look, you have to be considering all of them. Okay, So
remember that. So that's a point. The propaganda matrix that we are now
in, it's augmented greatly by the other thing I want to speak to,
which is the technological aspects. As per usual here at the age of transitions,
the technical technologic place that we're in is something that has to be remembered
as well. And this in the context of propaganda. Yes, we have
to take technology into account, but also different conflicts, military conflicts, different
skirmishes, wars, a conflict of all kinds across the globe. That is,
the technology has a lot to do with that. And I think one
of a thing I was looking at this past week is instructive in that sense.
And I saw an article about a drone that was outfitted to take out
a tank and all it had to do was just the drone just dropped a
grenade inside a tank and took out a tank. So this highly inexpensive and
small drone able to take out a large, much more expensive, much heavier,
serious piece of military equipment taken out by a seemingly far lesser piece of
military technology, right, just a simple drone that you know, that sort
of thing is really indicative of the world that we're moving into that any sort
of established players, first of all, are likely not ready to deal with
but second of all, will they even be able to get up to speed
at all to catch up to this new world that we're in where technology is
the factor and in all spheres military, economic, governmental influence operations. So
swaying public opinion, technology very instrumental, very important in that regard. I'm
getting a call, okay, so let's go to the caller. Caller,
what's your name? Where you're calling from? Jimmy James calling Michigan. All
right, Jimmy, what's up? Man? I was just suping of an
age of transition that I've been going through for three years. Oh what's that?
Where is that Bob Dylan song Murder Most Fouled? That thing? Yeah?
Yeah, that thing? When it hit April first, twenty twenty,
a few weeks after that pandemic stuff started. Man, that is a powerful
song, and the people were commenting on it. What a fitting epithet for
the twentieth century. I thought, huh, I guess it's that's when I
just kind of started realizing that it's over with. There is no going back
to the twentieth century. Okay. When people started speaking about that song in
that way, is that what prompted you to think that? Well? That
in reality, I mean, we're a quarter century into this century, and
it's a different world, different people, and I what can I tell you.
I've spent more of my life in the previous century than this century,
and I just I don't know, I look at everything different now. Yeah,
I just feel like we have to Jimmy, right, I mean I
look being alive in that century and having come of age in a different time.
It is it's a bit of culture shock for us at this point.
You know what's interesting, Aaron, I want to ask you a question right
here about this because Jimmy brings up music, and I also wanted to just
throw it on the table and then I'll get out of this discussion. But
you and I have children in a similar age group, So I forget how
old your kids are. I'm sorry, that's okay, but I got a
nine year old. I think you have one that's close to his age.
Yeah, basically, your your son is right in between the ages of my
two children. Yes, I knew that, like if we put them together
in a house, it wouldn't be that disturbing. It would be like kind
of like they could all sort of play together. So I was paying myself
would work perfect. Okay, Well, here's the thing. I don't know
if your kids are picking up on some of the old songs that were really
actually kind of political and interesting. You remember, okay, so you remember
Dennis Miller, right, Yes, remember at one point he had Everybody wants
to Rule the World. You know, remember that song every talking about Tears
for Fear? Yeah, of course, yeah, I know Tears for Fear
as well. Dennis Miller did what with that song. He used to use
it as as part of his show a long time ago, and really like
in the bumpers or the intro or something, the intro. Yeah, there
was this thing really was like when pool balls and one of them was like
a Jimmy. Do you remember the Dennis Miller show when he had that and
he was mister you know, super politics and weird sub references before Yeah,
the NFL was that when he was an HBO. Yeah. Yeah, that's
when he was pretty much king of the world and liberal back then, liberal
and all politics, all politics all the time, right, Jimmy, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, different from one of these today. But what's weird
is that, like, okay, see, I forget about Dennis Miller,
but the fact is that that song is what he chose to use. It
was a heavy license feed at HBO paid and that song was pretty interesting politically,
even though it's a weird pop song, and you know, it was
one of those things that a guy like me would have ignored back then and
so on and so forth. Are your kids singing songs like Frankie sings that
song all the time. I don't know where they use it I don't know
what's going on, but he sings that song and I went and I'm like,
he thinks it's something new somehow, and I'm like, that is far
from new. That's like, you know, twenty years before or thirty years
even before you were born. That song, you're singing a very old song,
and it's heavily loaded with politics. And I'm telling you metaphorically, it
is the difference between the kids that are born on that side of the millennium
and us, right there is the weirdness with which they look at our history,
don't know that it's even history. Matter of fact, there's even a
movement of foot among younger people that are supposedly adults to basically deny that anything
that happened before they were born even matters at all. It's a weird thing.
Yeah, but before I was born, so I don't care, it
doesn't matter, is a common response. And I'm just saying this is the
fact that, you know, those of us who are now realizing, yeah,
we're the old people now, and it's a very strange world. And
I wonder about that transition, cause you know, we're not dead yet.
It's not like we're you know, existing on the level of numbers of the
World War two generation or anything yet, but we're recognizing we're gonna get there.
See, and with the way the world's changing, it's really strange.
So it's interesting that Jimmy brings up the whole. Yeah, I thought about
we can't go back to the twentieth century. I mean, he sounds sad
about it. I mean we all know mathematically, realistically, you can't go
back. But what is back there is just picked up maybe as tropes,
as memes, as jokes, and nothing more the things that we lived through.
So you put that in perspective, and that's a hell of a transition.
So I find it interesting that he brought it up. So, yeah,
first, do your kids like know some of those old songs and do
that to you, Like every once in a while you go, I know
what that is that came from this guys, And they go, really does
that happen? One and two? You know, I wonder what you think
about that, that sort of transition, and you and Jimmy starting to discuss
that. So I just wanted to lay that there. And now I'm gonna
shut up. Honestly, I haven't I haven't noticed it with my kids with
the music so much. I'm not saying that hasn't happened, because what I
have noticed is, you know, they go online and the meme culture for
sure is something that they're up on, Like all you have to do is
play roadblocks like as a little kid, and some derivative form of whatever meme,
Like they know what doge is, right, They know all about doge,
Like the favorite dog is a sheibu enu because doge, right. And
then like you know, at their age level, they don't really know what
doge coin even is, but they any like sort of like associated memes,
like they they know kind of right, so that whatever meme culture includes,
which is everything, they get a taste of that, and then they'll they'll
also like streaming. They'll stream old stuff all the time, so I know
they do that. And the other funny perspective to just throw into this one
last thing is that you know, I'm seeing commercials now for Mickey Mouse is
one hundred years old basically, which is another weird thing. And I always,
I always have to stop myself from saying Mickey Mouse, mick a mouse,
because that is the weird. One of the weird things that my daughter
couldn't pronounce. When she was little. She was perfectly eloquent, but she
had a couple of weird, quirky things, and one of them, when
she was like two years old, was Mickey Mouse. Mick a mouse.
Uh, Mickey Mouse is one hundred years old. Yeah, that's weird to
me. In general, I remember hearing a story pop up saying that the
uh, like the copyright on Mickey Mouse or the license or whatever was about
to expire and that for some reason Disney wasn't going to be able to renew
it. So that's at the point that that happens, anybody could use Mickey
Mouse royalty free without having to worry about gags c by Disney, which before
you would for sure. I don't know about the validy of that. It
seemed almost too good to be true. I'm like, what, but I
remember that being a recent story. I haven't looked into it further other than
just somebody saying it and me reacting by saying almost like that's too much to
even be true. But maybe you're right. Yeah, I mean that's a
whole other interesting topic too. It's intellectual property and you know, intangible things,
and seeing as how we're likely moving more into the intangible world. But
each passing day, I don't think people have realized how important the virtual space
is going to be. We're not quite there yet. I mean, it's
like the infant version social media and online activity as we know it is like
sort of like the gateway to that. But the real virtual spaces haven't hit
yet, but they will. There's no doubt in my mind that that's going
to happen. And also the convergence of all media is in the middle of
happening as well. Like we're seeing like the movies starting to die, right,
and we're seeing streaming being weird, and streaming having trouble with its whole
economic model is not sound, and like, well, what the hell's gonna
happen with that people? And people don't seem to notice that. What's occurring
is the convergence of all media. So you've got like movie, film,
TV, video games which are interactive. And also I would say, mix
in social media, online activity, online communities, internet, so we're connected
via a technology like individual people, right, mix all of that stuff together,
and artificial intelligence, right, artificial intelligence and making the imagery that it's
making now, and its ability like to take all of its training data and
like remash it and people building prompts prompting AI to make new rehashes and amalgamations
of stuff, of everything like mixed together. Nobody seems aware of it.
But what's happening is all this stuff is mixing into one giant new form of
media. Is what's going on. And it hasn't matured yet, but not
long. I don't think it will be much longer where it really starts moving
on quicker advances and we're starting toly, oh okay. And even in this
past year with the AI, like, oh, we got these videos of
the only thing AI was able to do was make you know, pick a
famous person. Now they can be made to eat spaghetti and that's and even
the imagery of you know, eminem or Joe Biden eating spaghetti was like really
horrific and gusting looking. That was the beginning of this year. And now
at the end of this year, I'm seeing like very artistic looking AI imagery,
right, so it's getting better pretty quick. I'm not getting into the
debate of is AI is it artwork, because like it doesn't matter. It's
it's it's a tool that's improving, and it's one I think that's going to
be used as, like, you know, an intermediary of people acting as
these weird visual media DJs prompting this thing like oh yeah, mixed together Heathcliff
the Cat, make him playing tennis with Tom Brady and make it happening on
Elon Musk's Mars Colony base and make me a video and make this weird techno
death metal music playing in the background and make it funny, right, And
then I want to be able to be in the middle of that and play
as Heathcliff and then my buddy on the other side on his computer, he's
gonna be Tom Brady and we're gonna play a game and guess what it'll be
able to do that. And so that that's what's happening with media now.
And that's not even I mean, we're not even touching on the propaganda on
the war, I mean whatever, you know, just the every day mundane
like this is the media. This is what I do to relax is I
watch TV? Like, well, yeah, that's what you used to do.
Now. I have a question there, you know, what's that I
agree with? I think they're just looking at someone's, someone's. The people
will finally find one platform they like. But I think they've been doing that
for a while, just like you said, like you remember Microsoft's one effort
where they wanted, you know, the one system set up the computer,
the cell phone and their xboxes. Oh yeah, Well, all the companies
want a proprietary version of that. I think they're I think they're gonna find
it's not going to work out quite like that, but everybody wishes that they
could just build that. Everybody's trying to do that ray one guy's building Meta
and then the other guy's building what X world. What are they are they
waiting? Are they waiting for people to choose one? Or are I mean,
because people don't really seem to be flocking to any one system. If
they were smart, and they are and evil, I'm sure they'll come up
with some kind of sharing deal. I'm sure it's like fast food. I'm
sure it's like fast food, you know where it'll exist in some level,
Like there's every town has a McDonald's, but some places it's better to put
KFC, And with some groups of people, it'll be better to serve in
KFC, and some places it'll be better to put the taco bell, although
I absolutely deny the idea from demolition Man the taco bell will win the restaurant
wards. But you know, but the thing is, I think all the
flavors will at some point find a coexistence level. But the truth is,
after a while, Burger King makes a big mac and McDonald's makes a whopper
basically, and you know, one way or another, they're all making fries.
And yeah, I think that's what's going to happen here. I think
we're going to end up with the fast food world of online facilities that you'll
be able to do everything through. YouTube is also counted as a social media
network now yep, which is weird to me because to me it was just
the place you go and you watch videos. But and yeah, you can
use it for that, but you know, you watch and you create and
people compete in there. But no, it's also a social network. It's
also a crowd sourcing, fundraising, creating independent media. Do your job there
all day. There are people doing that on Twitter now, way outside of
Tucker Carlson, you know, one way or another, subscribe to me on
on X right, he got the subscriptions. So it's weird you know,
Patreon lets you upload video now their video platform as well, if you're on
that. Honestly, that took way too long, but yes, it took
way too long. But what I'm saying is that eventually it's like everybody gets
French fries, Jimmy James, right, everybody gets French fries. Eventually,
even Taco Bell, Yeah, I get you, even tackle though, Yeah,
you're right, they do, right, Yeah, that might be their
method. Maybe they'll just start saying, hey, but so let everyone come
to our part, but we'll just share all the information anyway. Maybe,
I mean, that's what it looks like, because eventually it's, like I
said, it's cross pollinating. And Elon Musk is constantly telling you we're going
to make Twitter basically into everything. Yes, you know, so they're like,
we got video now, we got that. You can podcast on Twitter,
by the way, you can podcast and broadcast. They have a radio
setup now in Twitter spaces, so you can go right now and get a
live space and have co hosts and take callers basically who are just connected through
their devices on Twitter, and you can bring and let them do all that,
and they're they're also your audience simultaneously. It's interesting. I mean,
anybody who thought that the format of Twitter was some sort of like eternal format
that was never going to go anywhere, never going to change, I think
has a lack of foresight, to say the least. I mean, don't
get me wrong, I would I want to be in line to be somebody
to criticize Elon Musk. However, I mean, at the same time,
like, if Twitter changes which it is, I mean, first of all,
doesn't matter. I'm of the opinion not really everybody takes these things.
I just tem difficulty taking any of these things seriously. Well, and here's
that's probably a problem of mine, but I default to that. And here's
the other thing. If you don't evolve, right, you become Kenny Rogers
Roasters or whatever. You become the fast food restaurant that it doesn't matter you
got fries, you didn't make it. You become MySpace in this space,
right because my Space, a lot of people might forget, I know,
Grandpa, MySpace. My Space was huge. It was the biggest thing in
the world. It was going to be the place where you could put up
anything you wanted. You could share your art, your music, your videos.
Right, you could share yourself on there. It was social networking.
Everything was MySpace at a certain point, and Facebook said, yeah, it
was fun, right. The thing that cracked me up about that, Chuck
is I would go like, there's a guy I worked with at the time,
and he was all like, I don't know the way dressed and act,
you know, you think it heavy heavy metal. And then I went
to my Space once and all it was was old country music. I like,
huh, yep, well, and there you saw the first version of
you know it. It doesn't matter what somebody is in real life. They
recreate themselves into something else online, which you know, you can easily see
through YouTube. I mean, there are people that now have cameras in their
houses all day long pretty much, and then they cut it down into different
videos and that's what they release and that's how they pay for their home.
Yes, which is wild. There are guys that like, what will happen
if we fill our entire you know, giant, huge vault ceiling living room
with balloons? You know, yes, okay, and the whole house is
devoted to like it's a YouTube house. Yes, it's an Instagram house now,
you know, like everything in the house is on Instagram stuff like that,
and and do these people live there and do this? I mean,
yeah, today we're gonna find that happens. Yeah, today we're gonna find
it what happens when you fill your kitchen with shaving cream? You know,
like yeah, and you could you could certainly argue that that whole phenomenon was
something that was born out of the old legacy media too, Like you know,
you it's it's like the new iteration of Viva labam right, which itself
was also influenced by previous shows, you know, derivative back and back and
back derivative of like Tom Green and Jack Ash And then before that it was
you know, if you go all the way back to first reality show again
was real People right where it was like we're just going to go and find
real people that are kind of extraordinary in a way, and people went,
wow, I mean, other people will watch regular people on TV because there's
something odd about them. And in a way, that turns into Jerry Springer,
which turns into you know, because that came from Phil Donahu. And
then what happens when Haraldo gets into a fight and Morton Downey Juni fights Nazis
in a fake incident in an airport, and so on and so forth.
Right, remember that he had he spray painted himself with a swastik on his
head. It was hilarious, you know. Or Aldo got his nose broken
by the UH. I don't know the uh. What is it? The
war for Aryan rights or whatever war? I forget what it was, but
the Aryan group that was sitting there literally with the swastika bands on, and
all that was was one of those things where the swastika was like spinning the
wrong direction, like it was like drawn the wrong way or something. Oh
yeah, there was that too, the spray painted swastika on Moreton, because
clearly he did it in a mirror. And that's how you're gonna put your
swastika going the wrong way, because it looks right in the mirror. But
I remember that, I remember actually Guar made a joke about that, I
think in the song or of course, but why not, you know,
And and then of course Jimmy Swagger against you. You know, all that
going on and the downfall of the televangelist, which televangelism was a huge thing,
and that's it still exists, that, yes, yes it does,
and that's also getting influenced by the digital world and going in a whole new
direction, right, right, kind of I mean new, not new,
that's what I mean. Right, Peter Popov will still sell you as water,
but some of these preachers are looking at cryptocurrency. I mean, you
know, it's a thing just saying no. But it's just wild to take
a look at how these things get remixed and reissued. But again, someday
you might just be Kenny Rogers Roasters because even if you got fries, doesn't
matter. Nathan's hot Dogs was going to be like a big national chain of
restaurants at one point, and you know Nathan's famous from Coney Island, Da
Da Da Da Da, And yeah, it kind of worked for a little
bit, but it went away eventually. Some of the stuff that looks like
it's well established that is the big thing, and all that good stuff.
I mean, I'm some shocked still that Subway Restaurants exist as they do and
have grown from this little company in the yea. I know, they were
just as little tiny thing in Connecticut and quite honestly, they were one of
the cheapest franchises you good bye at one point, and that's how they grew
exponentially. Their strengths was the cheapness of it. Yes, it was so
cheap. You know, like you needed a million dollars years ago, you
needed a million dollars for Duncan Donuts, you needed two million for for uh
A McDonald's to establish a brand new franchise, But for subway you could do
it for like thirty grand. Yeah. Yeah. When in the Navy and
I was leaving, they gave me this book from Navy blue to corporate grade
and they had an ad buy your own subways franchise for ten grand. Yeah.
Oh, and they were given discounts to veterans too to buy a big
Oh. Yeah, I guess that's it. Yeah, that's right. I
call that was so cheap. Yeah, I didn't think of that. Yeah.
What they did is they gave a discount to veterans. And if you
wanted to co brand, like say, you own a franchise that could support
a small modular subway. How do I know this because I established one and
an Exxon where we put one in just to see what would happen. And
I told them, despite all their research, I said, this will not
work in this area. And I was correct, But they re insisted,
no, We've already done all the surveys, and we pay people to do
this. And I'm like, you could have given me a hundred bucks and
I would tell you not to do it, because this is what's going to
happen. And it happened exactly like I said. But the thing is,
I did put it in though, as per the orders of the franchise owner,
I established it, and it was about ten grand to establish a module.
And they also had mentioned to me that if I was a veteran myself,
that I could establish one for cheaper, like normally cost thirty or thirty
five grand to establish one a freestanding one, but I could get it cheaper
as a veteran. So I guarantee that's why they gave you that book,
dude. Ten grand. That is the modular price which they would charge to,
yeah, a veteran, to encourage veteran ownership. It's interesting because this
kind of gets that one of the points I was wanting to make was that
the cheaper, easier solution is often the one that ends up on top,
right, And I think that's going to be more and more the case on
the technological military, for sure. At every angle, like whoever can come
in and like cut costs and also exploit the vulnerabilities of these big, lumbering
behemoths of the establishment. And you know, you name who the establishment is
in any given arena, they're going to be toppled by these little guys coming
in doing stuff on the cheap and being creative about how they're running their operations,
be those military operations, you know, counterinsurgency operations, propaganda operations,
or the operation of you know, establishing your influence across the world. We're
going to do it by offering cheaper, better, faster solutions. And certainly
speed is is attained by you know, new technologies which are always changing.
So staying up on that being to be able to be clever enough to stay
on the forefront of that, not be married to your old ways, your
old established ways of doing things. And in the military sense, I definitely
see, like you know, the F thirty five is like the perfect example
of the old military establishment and the old even geo foreign policy establishment in the
US, like from the post war period to now you could symbolize it in
the F thirty five and then going forward, you've got you've got the tech
establishment, Silicon Valley, and yes, the China doing what it does,
but AI and all the converging technologies there, that is, you know,
the way forward. Uh, I don't know, it's just that's that's kind
of part of it. But anyway, Jimmy, what will say you to
everything? Well, it's interesting you say that. May Brousse has said a
long long time ago, the American people will always choose to cheap, the
easy, and the vulgar. Sure, yeah, of course they will.
Why wouldn't they. It's not just the American people though, this is like
a global thing. It's just about what's economical, what's smart, and and
what's what is a waste? What's wasteful? Like I think everything wasteful is
now not only being called into question, and you could do that on the
ecological side of the coin too. It's like, well, it's uh,
is the way we've been doing things really the best way? Are there other
alternatives? There's actually exploration in that regard, which is fascinating. For one,
it remains to be seen what will come of that. But you know,
what is actually the most practical, least wasteful way to do things?
Certainly that was not the way we were going about business in the previous couple
decades, but the previous even century. I guess you could say, I
mean waste got to be the establishment on the corporate side of things. You
build crap that breaks planned ops, the lescens, that's the way you turn
a big profit. In the government sense, the military industrial establishment. Yeah,
who cares if we dump a bunch of money into this project like the
F thirty five. It creates jobs, it's good for the economy. You
know, that's all well and good, But what's it do with you create
like this pile of trash. Literally, you make a big pile of junk
that wasn't there before you started this project. That's one problem. You got
to clean that. And then the other problem is, well, what if
somebody comes in that's clever enough. It doesn't take a whole lot of smarts
to come up with a more efficient way to do things, right, How
would somebody not? How could you not come up with a better way to
do things? And then you got like again with the American military establishment.
They're always whining about the budget, it's not big enough, that we need
more money, and all the while they're like so wasteful and they bring up
actual points, like they can't keep up with munitions, they can't even manufacture
enough regular sort of just things like making things like that, but they can
dump a bunch of money into all sorts of other wasteful stuff. So clearly
there's a lot of issues that aren't going to be solved anytime soon. There's
a lot of lip service like yeah, we're working on we're changing things.
It just seems like it's going to be a story of too little, too
late. Although you have to look on the other side of things and you're
like, ooh, big scary China. You know, they're no, they've
got problems of their own in terms of being wasteful and you know, entrenched
established interests. I mean, their entire government is just one. So you
know, like I guess that's the positive angle. Things like, yeah,
we're bad and we do a lot of stupid stuff and we're wasteful, and
you know, it looks like we could get taken advantage of but by who
this clown over on the other side of the world. I mean, yeah,
maybe it wouldn't take a whole lot, but they got to get their
act together too, And I guess the good aspect of this is everybody's kind
of doing a lot of stuff wrong. That's good, it's bad. It's
where we're at, and maybe we're setting things up for a situation where the
machines just get developed to a point where they come and they just start automating
and take control of everything, And maybe that's good. Maybe it's good that
machines start taking control of stuff, because you know, it's like I say
this all the time, like half of it seems like most jobs out there
just jobs that robots had ought to be doing. Anyway, it's not humane
what we're the way we're spending our time. We're we're doing these tasks that
were made their machine tasks, so of course a robot's can come in and
start doing it. I mean you could expand that to the larger sense of
like what are we doing? What is our society? What is our economy?
Like it's it's just this thing that's running and it needs like it needs
certain inputs, right, it needs it needs more money to keep out.
It can't go broke. It's we've got can't go in the red, you
gotta stay in the green. We gotta figure out a way to turn a
profit. We we got, we got paid. The debt. We gotta
we can't expand the debt. We gotta watch out about the debt. What
do we do about the debt? Well, let's uh, let's just dump
a bunch of more money into the military, because we need the economy to
be boosted to save everything. But when we do that, when we create
all this money to do that, we just made more debt. But we
had to, so there's no way out of it, you know, I
mean, like, what the hell is this stupidity? Exactly? Yeah,
I mean there's there's I there's no way none of this makes any sense.
Nobody's gonna ever like fool me into thinking that it should, because I know
that it doesn't any You can pick anything apart again, like we we can't
go into debt, but we have to go into debt. Like I don't
know, it's like there, I guess there's no way out at this point.
We just kind of have to charge forward. But it might be fun,
it might be interesting, so you know, why not let's make it
happen. I'm into it. Let's let's let's see what occurs. I'm not
worried. Jimmy beck to you, Yeah, a lot of debt. I
don't know, now, thirty six trillion, Yeah, how do you even
keep up? And it's debt that's incurred as soon as you make that money
to do whatever it's It's like, I don't see how it's even possible to
pay back. Like maybe I'm maybe I'm missing something, but my understanding is
like once that debt is created, you can't pay it off, like because
because just all money that's it's being created and it's instantly attached debt to it,
right, And maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe I'm being ignorant on
this. Maybe it's possible to do it, but I didn't. I don't
think it is. No one's done it, so it must be pretty difficult.
I mean, the only way you could do it is say it it's
gone, Like let's let's just delete it, Like I think that's how it'll
work out, Like let's get on our computer and just make it go away.
Like all we gotta do is like type it in computer that's not there
anymore. And it isn't Fight Club solution without the boobs, you know,
like just wipe all the debt out, none that's gone. There, we
go that was easy that we old last I checked. I mean, like
ten twenty years ago, we old China five trullion. I'm sure it's ten
right now. I would say, you know what, thanks for the COVID,
fat and al. You know what, we're even Stevens right, there's
ten trullion. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Okay. So
you're saying, broker a deal between the debtor and the debt. Eve like,
hey, look, we've got a mutual interest in making this debt disappear.
Let's do that. Let's write up this contract that says it's that's gone.
So since we owe you money and you screwed us, here's our bill
for you screwing us. Take it off of what we owe you. Yeah,
it's an interesting that's an interesting way to get that solved along behind the
scenes. Yeah, would do behind stands so that everyone that's you know,
but yeah, I would be calling up everyone's saying yeah remember w W two,
Yeah, we're canceling your debt. Yeah. I mean, it's it's
not that crazy of an idea, honestly, because like it might get to
a situation where everybody again, because it becomes obvious that the debt can't be
paid off in like a monetary sense, like we just gathered the money up
and paid Like that's not how it works, clearly. So it becomes about
the deals and like brokering these like deals between large actors, large debt holders
and things like that. But like, hey, look, in the interest
of you know, filling the blank world peace, let's say let's make a
deal that makes this debt just disappear. And you know, we'll get our
big shot lawyers to write up the contract and you know, we'll sign it
and we'll make a big it'll be a big to do. Everybody can get
happy about there's peace on earth or something at least for two seconds. And
you know, I wouldn't doubt that things happen like that, or another side
of it is, you know, just some sort of crazy event happens where
the computers are jammed up by you know the concept of a cyber terrorist attack,
where just all the information is lost on the system that was you know,
the the purview of you know whatever central bank or whatever. It got
messed up so bad that the records are all gone. Like well, I
guess that debt and everything, I guess all that money, all those economic
things. It's just it just evaporated instantly there. I guess we got to
pick up the pieces and start over. And then that means that all that
debt that was there, well that's gone now. And that brings up all
sorts of quiet, just doesn't it. But you know what, I do
have another question. I'm acting like a caller now, sorry, but I
have another question about this, this debt resolution idea. Right, imagine this
for a minute. This leads to a lot of almost funny but really great
things that could happen where it's like, okay, so somebody comes to the
United States and says, hey, look, you know what you charge China
for ruining your country? Okay, cool? Remember when you ruined our country
about fifty years ago, America? And I guarantee you you put a guy
like me in there. I'm gonna look over and go, okay, what
was the name of your country? Right? Right? So what's that twenty
bucks? And they're gonna get pissed. I mean, I'm just saying at
a certain point, somebody's gonna go, look, it wasn't worth that much
to begin with, all right, you know, and I'll pay you something.
But I mean twenty. How about fifty fifty I'm just because I'm a
nice guy, fifty bucks, you know what I'm saying, Like that will
happen where somebody will undervalue something that just to a lot of I'm like,
can you imagine that for a minute though, where it's like, you know,
somebody goes, hey, you know that little nation that was just outside
of Paraguay, I'm picking a place at random, remember that place, and
somebody, how about a hundred bucks? Wait, we could send in those
guys to the praise trunk sassets'll come back. So yeah, that that that
whole island was worth ten dollars, right, holy crap. You figure it
out either way, though, depending on the situation. We send the guys
who evaluated, you know, the space and his penthouse for the guys that
we were sending them to negotiate where they did damage us. Hey, listen,
it's worth eighty billion, and they go, no, it's not.
It's worth like ten billion at most. They go, no, you don't
realize the size of the country, do you. So you send those guys
to negotiate on our behalf, and then you interject your own guys that will
go, yeah, ten bucks ten bucks. I know it's ten square miles.
What a dollar a mile? What do you think? Come on?
How much? How much would I pay a trucker? Come on? What
are we talking to you? Thirty cents a mile? Eighty cents a mile,
let's go. I mean, really, this would be hilarious to watch
people evaluate and devalue stuff. How many dead bodies? All right, look,
our people are worth five times more than yours. How about we just
send ten people to you. Okay, we'll send you a couple of prisoners
to call them a bonus. You know, we don't just don't want to
house them here, so we'll send them to you. And you got extra
people, they go, we replace them. I mean, think about the
negotiations that could go about value. I mean, just craziness could consume no
or But yeah, I'm tiring, I mean, I just I'm just I'm
just begging the question, like, isn't the whole thing crazy? Like so
how I mean, we've gotten into so many situations that you just don't get
yourself out of. There's no like logical just like, oh, we follow
this set of instructions and you undo all of you know, the US government's
debt right, like, there's no such a thing. Again, if you
want to look at us, you got to be creative to figure out a
way to tackle the issue. We'll send your ten subway franchises, free your
charge. There you go, there, you go pretty good. There's some
countries that might take that deal. They might because they don't have any you
know, like all good for a tourists. Perfect. I'm just saying,
you know, and like, look, subways a cheating You want a McDonald's.
We can only send one, but we can send five, six subways,
no problem, Kenny Rogers, I don't exist no more. But we
we got we got KFC. We'll send you two and hose. I mean,
you know, picking mix and match if you like, right, like
you're a sand shock, I didn't know, Jersey. We got. Yeah,
it's good, It's really good. It's definitely worth five subways. Tell
you that, no problem. It won't give you as many jobs, but
the subs will be better. I'm sorry. Quality over quantity, Quality over
quantity, Jimmy James, right, exactly right. Well, I do think
I do think like a step in that direction would be helpful, and this
likely about to happen at some point of that quality over quantity, because quantity
being the one of the key issues of causing so many problems in the past
century, past decades, whatever. We've been making too much garbage right in
every sense of it, figuratively, literally, we've been doing way too much
of that. Maybe it's time to figure out stop to think what's worth doing,
what sort of things we need to be doing, what things. Maybe
we could save a little bit of energy, time and money by not doing
a lot of the wasteful things we have been doing. I know that we
made it into a business model, and we've so many people have been living
high on that hog for a while. Maybe it's time to stop that.
I don't think that sounds like such a bad idea. I mean, how
it ends up working out remains to be seen, but just that concept I
can get on board with. I think we do definitely need some financial reform.
When every American agree with that, I think so, I think,
snap, I don't know how they couldn't. Yeah, absolutely, say Eric,
you have gone to your one hour here, so you know I'm not
pressing you to end it. If you want to end it now or a
few minutes or whatever. I'm here, So yeah, I'm here to do
what you want. Unfortunately, we will not have Uncle live tonight, guys.
But but Aaron is here and doing his thing, and Jimmy James is
on the phone, and this is fun. And we'll put this out,
you know, in a day or two, just like we do. All
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