WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:08.439 You're listening to KFI on demand. Rich. Welcome to the Jesus Christ. 2 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:14.279 Hello Jesus Hi Rich. Thanks for doing the show. I enjoyed very much. 3 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:21.199 It's uplifting and very informative. Thank you very much. Yeah. Well, 4 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:26.719 you know, I I call myself a Christian, probably not the best, 5 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:31.039 probably not the worst, but I believe in you and what I've come 6 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:36.960 to discern as basic tenets of Christianity coming from your life and the Old Testament. 7 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:46.759 And my question is basically about denominations. It's a theological question. A 8 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:53.439 few just parts of the questions. Question I guess could be did you intend 9 00:00:54.399 --> 00:01:00.719 there for to be denominations as such? You know this strength call and he 10 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:07.120 called earlier a little bit angry about Catholicism. Sure you know, and uh, 11 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:12.239 god, my my, Uh, I don't care. You know, 12 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:18.079 I think you're important and the lessons that come from the Bible. And I 13 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:23.760 say I call myself a Christian because I don't follow any particular denomination. I've 14 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.319 been a couple, I've been a few, and uh is it important you 15 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:32.799 think for me or for anyone for that matter, to be in a denomination. 16 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:38.359 It seems over years, I just see that our human natures as such, 17 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.359 we tend to want to create division out of anything. Mm hmm. 18 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:46.200 Man and division is okay. I mean, there are some wounds that you 19 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.280 mend and bandage, and there's some wounds you amputate to save the rest of 20 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:55.760 the body. Correct If something gets gangrenous, you you you know, you 21 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.519 sever it. You don't want it to kill the rest of the body. 22 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:04.000 I understand that there are cults, there are quote Christian calls to be avoided, 23 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.599 you know, indeed, and that's a part of the protection to the 24 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:12.719 body of Christ. But throughout scripture and and a lot of people misunderstand this, 25 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:21.960 denominations aren't necessarily embattled with one another. The essentials there should be unity. 26 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.800 There's an old saying that in the essentials, unity in the non essentials 27 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:35.000 liberty, and in all things charity, and that really kind of focuses the 28 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:39.719 light in the proper spectrum first, in the things that have to be Who 29 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.439 do you say that I am the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, these types 30 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:49.000 of things that those things, once you start peeling them apart, it stops 31 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:53.919 being Christianity. So you can't mess with with the with the essentials. Now, 32 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:59.919 as a kid maybe you colored with Crans Well, well, the Krean. 33 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.520 If you looked at the old Creola brand with all of their you know, 34 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.120 you get the big sixty four pack or whatever it was, and if 35 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.479 you look through it was you had your primaries, and then you had your 36 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.319 secondaries and tertiary colors, and then you would have some you know, combinations 37 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.439 of the colors. And so you'd go from oh, you know what orange 38 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.319 is. Everybody knows what orange is. But if you remember, in the 39 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:30.120 same pack, you'd have orangish red, and then you would have reddish orange, 40 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:31.840 which is humorous. You look at that and you go, well, 41 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:37.960 goodness, how do you tell the distinction from those? Well, really it's 42 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:44.039 about the amount of red to orange ratio, or the amount of red or 43 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:49.159 orange to red ratio. So really, in Christianity there are things that are 44 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.360 essentials and you can't waiver from them. If you do, they stop being 45 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.560 Christianity. So there's a point where if you put too much red in with 46 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.520 the orange, it just becomes red a form of red, whether it's a 47 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.599 dark red or lighter red. But now it's all red. It's not orange 48 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:11.120 red or it's red. Now there's a point where if you start tinkering with 49 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:17.360 the essentials, they stop being Christianity. Just like you know, it's like 50 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.800 how many corners make a circle a non circle? Well, only one, 51 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:29.240 because circles don't have corners. So if you do anything to change it, 52 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.319 even if it seems slight, it stops being Christianity. I don't care what 53 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:39.839 anybody says. However, the non essentials, whether it's an infant baptism or 54 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:46.160 full immersion or sprinkle or these types of things, they get into areas where 55 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.759 it's not the essentials of the faith and they form denominations because people adhere to 56 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:56.759 these things as being important or more important to their group. But it doesn't 57 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.000 disturb the essentials, and that's the key aola box. This would be a 58 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.800 little change in the color and flavor of the thing, but not away from 59 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:11.759 the essentials. Indeed, so I ask you, this rich ice cream is 60 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:17.360 ice cream. It's a matter of cream and sugar under a certain temperature that 61 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:21.839 makes ice cream. However, the flavor of the ice cream is based on 62 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.279 the individual who eats it. Well, I'd rather like chocolate, or I'd 63 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.120 rather like vanilla, or I want strawberry, whatever it is, But ice 64 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.199 cream is ice cream. Once you change the concoction, it becomes frozen custard 65 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:39.160 or frozen yogurt, but it's not ice cream. It may look similar, 66 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.160 but it's not ice cream. So there's a difference between it being the same 67 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:49.360 thing of a different flavor versus something different. And so that's people get caught 68 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.399 up in that. Now, as far as being one, yes, throughout 69 00:05:53.439 --> 00:06:00.560 scripture every time you read, you read about focus and being one. First 70 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.360 Corinthians one ten plead with you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus 71 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:10.040 Christ, that you all speak the same thing. Okay, you don't want 72 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.000 any divisions, you don't want any separations or anything like that. However, 73 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.879 you look at Acts, the Book of Acts, and you've got the very 74 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:27.759 man who wrote that Paul in a disagreement with his close companion Barnabas, and 75 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.959 those were two great leaders of the church that disagreed, and they never said 76 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.240 either was wrong. It just said that they disagreed, and they let them 77 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.800 go their separate ways. So it's okay for there to be disagreements in the 78 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.480 church. You should be of one mind and one voice when it comes to 79 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.319 the things of Christ. Absolutely, if it pertains to me, and it's 80 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.560 about the trinity and things like that. They should all sing in harmony. 81 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.720 But when it comes to the non essentials or some of the areas that might 82 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:03.560 be considered gray areas of scripture for the faith, then that's to be discussed. 83 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.519 That's in house discussion. And that's like saying telling somebody they're wrong for 84 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.399 liking chocolate versus vanilla because vanilla is the most pure flavor, it has the 85 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.920 least amount of additives and all this this type of thing not necessarily the case. 86 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:24.079 Right. Well, may I actually thank you again for your show and 87 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.680 for this explanation. Then to just say that I think your analogies and metaphors 88 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.240 are out of this world. Well, I appreciate that. That's very nice 89 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:36.399 you're at and you know, you know, analogies, analogies are like, 90 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:46.759 get it, just having a little fun with you, Rich. I appreciate 91 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.639 all the kind words and you calling, yeah, that's what I get for 92 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:57.680 using one O'Neil's jokes. Fall's flat. Well, they can't all be winners, 93 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.000 Tony, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus. My question 94 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:13.720 is on on hell okay, from from I'm gonna say just from from my 95 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.639 reading or I'm gonna say my my understanding that I'm coming now is they talk 96 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.759 about hell being an everlasting place of torment. But if that's the case, 97 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.360 then when God told Adam and Eve while they were in the garden, if 98 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.159 you eat of the fruit, you will surely die. Yes in Genesis when 99 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.519 but when the devil told Eve that if you eat of the fruit, you 100 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:45.960 surely will not die. So if there is, if hell is an everlasting 101 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.639 place of torment, then the devil is right that you surely won't die. 102 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:56.279 Now, then you'll be in miserable shape for forever and ever in eternity, 103 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:03.120 because you will be in eternal torture. Whereas say, at the end of 104 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.960 the world, when God comes back to you know, take numbers and collect 105 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:15.559 deaths, that death is just what it is, complete destruction. So okay, 106 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.279 which would be right? Okay, it's the assumption that they're both talking 107 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.799 about the same type of death, not the case. You've heard the term 108 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.360 born again that comes from scripture. It's a reference. I'm having a conversation 109 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.759 and I'm talking about being born first the of uh one way, the physical 110 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.679 birth, and then second spiritually. Now everybody dies twice too. Everyone has 111 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.120 a physical death and a spiritual death. Unless they have reconciled with God in 112 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.399 that sense, they will not have a spiritual death. They'll only have a 113 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:48.679 physical death. The devil is the god of this world. The devil was 114 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.159 saying, if you bite that apple, you will not die in the flesh. 115 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.559 Right now, God was saying, if you bite that apple, you 116 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.279 are going to die in the spirit, because you are going to now understand 117 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:05.039 the potent of evil. And so the context was specific. If you start 118 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.600 reading more about the concept of heaven and hell, I would recommend maybe going 119 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:16.159 to Matthew chapter twenty five, verse forty six, and I'm going to read 120 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.080 it quickly as we're running out of time, and these will go away into 121 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:28.639 eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. The term there ionius in 122 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.399 the Greek is the exact same word for both. So if hell's not eternal, 123 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.399 then heaven's not eternal, which wouldn't make sense in scripture. It's not 124 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.799 about the absence of life the way you know it. The death that's being 125 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.879 spoken about in that context is a spiritual death, which means a separation from 126 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.799 God and the salvation properties of God. They're two different things. That's why 127 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.000 it talks about being born again. It's not about going into your mother's womb, 128 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.120 which is the question that comes after, Oh, I'm supposed to go 129 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.559 back into my mother's womb and be born again. No, it's about being 130 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:03.879 born of the spirit. So first you're born of the flesh, second of 131 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.919 the spirit. If you are a believer, you die in the flesh, 132 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.000 but you continue to live in the spirit. If you are a non believer, 133 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.519 you die in the flesh and you die in the spirit, meaning separation, 134 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:26.679 total separation from the salvation of God. Billy, Welcome to the Jesus 135 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.919 Christ Show. Hi Jesus, how are you. I am well, how 136 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:35.120 are you good? Good? Thanks for taking my calls today. Have a 137 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.480 question for you. It's been a tough topic for me for many years. 138 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.519 I've recently made peace with it, but since I have an opportunity to talk 139 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.720 to you, I thought I would bring it back up. It's been a 140 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.039 bit of a faith stumbler, if you will. It's caused a lot of 141 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:56.440 crisis of faith for me, and it's concerning basically what I understand to be 142 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:03.720 two doctrines that are in the Bible, the doctrine of free will, uh, 143 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:09.600 where anyone, if they come to a saving knowledge of you, are 144 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.639 are able to uh receive your uh forgiveness and grace and uh receive eternal life. 145 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.720 And then the and then what seems to be an opposing doctrine of election 146 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:31.080 and predestination, where you have predestined and chosen only some people to inherit the 147 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.240 kingdom of God. And I believe this is called the two concepts, you 148 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:43.120 know, Calvinism and Armenianism from my amateur lay research, and I just wanted 149 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:50.879 to see how those two two doctrines reconcile with each other since they're both discussed 150 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.080 in the Bible. And uh, I'm just like I said, it's created. 151 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.759 Uh. I grew up free will. And then when I learned about 152 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.080 the doctrine of predestination, I was in dis police. And then have some 153 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.600 people sit down and explain it to me and say, well, by golly, 154 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.840 it is in there. How did the two reconcile? And so it 155 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:09.759 was kind of sent me into a tells the end, But like I said, 156 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.360 I made peace with it. But I wanted to see what your thoughts 157 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:15.200 were. Okay, I have a few thoughts and I'll go down and break 158 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:20.600 down the three basic views when we return that we're up against the clock. 159 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.639 But I do want to get into this a little bit and maybe give you 160 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:31.480 a different perspective. We were talking with Billy Billy there, Hi, Hey, 161 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.279 all right, so you're there, you're ready? Now are you predestined? 162 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.000 I therein lies the confusion if you're asking me on free will? Okay, 163 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.799 until you tell me something different here, this does get difficult. And 164 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.840 it's not like it's been figured out. Yes, there are different views on 165 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.840 predestination and free will. And John Calvin whom you mentioned, obviously has a 166 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:05.120 view, Saint Augustine of Hippo obviously of you, and so on and so 167 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:09.480 forth. There's many different views. And then you said the Armenian view, 168 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:15.080 and this is one of those in house discussions and very philosophical discussions that people 169 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.360 go back and forth on. However, at the root of this and the 170 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:24.840 basic difficulty is dealing with the nature and attribute of God. It's like arguing 171 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.679 the omniscience or omni benevolence of God. Those are not things that man can 172 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:35.840 truly understand, just can't. Academically, you can go, okay, it 173 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.080 can be everywhere at once, or it can be all knowing or all loving, 174 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:46.440 all these things, but really you don't understand that. You understand it 175 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:52.720 on paper, but you yourself could never be all loving, so you don't 176 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.320 know what that would be like an actuality. You can't be everywhere at once. 177 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.200 Now you can't even comprehend everywhere you look at the physical realm. Go 178 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.919 does that mean it could be anywhere on the earth, But you don't understand 179 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:11.519 the reality of everywhere. To God is different than just being anywhere in the 180 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:18.919 world. So those things in themselves are difficult. The Trinity is difficult. 181 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.960 There's many difficult things to understand when it comes to the attribute of God. 182 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.639 Predestination is one of those things that can be very unwieldy because it seems, 183 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.159 well, either God decides everything and you don't have a choice as a human 184 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:37.559 being or as creation, and therefore you're kind of bound to it, so 185 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.240 what does it matter, And or you have free will and could decide to 186 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:48.879 accept or reject God and to have the consequences of life and all of these 187 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:56.919 things. There are problems with the predestination model where God's deciding everything. There's 188 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:03.000 obvious problems as to how active God is now in evil, participating in evil. 189 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:11.159 And also the removal of free will removes the possibility of true love exactly, 190 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.679 So there's definite problems there. However, on the on the flip side, 191 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:21.120 there's concern because there's scripture that one could argue saying, hey, this 192 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:26.759 is dealing with this, But I would say that in context in something called 193 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:32.279 hermoneutics or the harmony of scripture and the way it reads together, not a 194 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.799 verse here and a verse there, but the way it reads together shows a 195 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.759 larger picture. Now, for the sake of time, we can't really, 196 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.320 you know, pull out the big chalkboard or the whiteboard and sit there and 197 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.759 start scrolling out a bunch of examples. So I'm going to whittle it down 198 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:55.639 to something a little simpler. If there was such thing called Billy's House of 199 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:02.519 Pies, and Billy's House of Pies is no across North Carolina because of the 200 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:07.839 fact that they have one hundred different types of pies. So good for you, 201 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.480 Billy, that's an excellent marketing model. A hundred pies. Now you 202 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:18.799 decide as the owner what kind of pies those are. However, every individual 203 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.799 that comes in there has a choice of which are those pies they want? 204 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:32.200 Correct, But you've predestined every flavor or every possibility of choice that they'll have 205 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:38.319 at Billy's House of Pies. However, they still choose which pie they want, 206 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.880 So there is a difference between the orchestration the orchestration of choices. God 207 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:52.680 being the author of all truth and all possibilities and all things. Evil is 208 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:57.240 not a thing. Evil is the rejection of truth or good or perfection. 209 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.279 So if God creates all of the perfection, all of the good, all 210 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.160 of the truth, then man has the ability to accept that truth or reject 211 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.680 that truth. But God is still the author of all the possibilities, every 212 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:19.319 possibility has been preordained in the fact that this is an option. Also add 213 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:25.039 to that God's foreknowledge that he knows before it's done, who's going to choose 214 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:30.279 what, And you put that together and you get the confusion of predestination and 215 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:37.519 free will. But free will has to be has to stay intact no matter 216 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:44.640 what the belief system, because without that element of free will, you can't 217 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:51.920 have the love demanded by God to be able to have the mere concept of 218 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:57.000 heaven and unity forever. You can't right because you don't have the ability to 219 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:02.039 reject it, and then you'd have to get to the point where God sends 220 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:03.680 people to hell, and really that's not the case. People choose to go 221 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:11.000 to hell by rejecting God and God's offer and God's love and God's salvation. 222 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:22.519 So this would become now strictly punitive rather than the absence of water when you're 223 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.599 thirsty is essentially what hell is, it's the absence of the salvation of God. 224 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.039 You have no more choices. You've made your final choice to not be 225 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.400 with God, and now you realize in the fullness of what it is to 226 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.559 be absent from God in the power of God. So all these things tie 227 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:45.319 in to an argument that's been going on for more than hundreds of years and 228 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.400 will likely continue to go on. But what needs to be preserved is that 229 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:56.359 God always remains God. All true choice comes from God, but man and 230 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.400 creation has to have a choice. So a hyper Calvinists and all of this 231 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:07.720 stuff. I know that Calvinists believe that God is a Calvinist, but really 232 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:15.440 the Bible is there to shed light on all things. Whereas a lot of 233 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:22.400 commentary there's an old joke that thank Heaven that God created the Bible to shed 234 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:27.400 light on commentaries, rather than commentaries to shed light on scripture, because people 235 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:32.599 get them backwards. But Billy, I think when you land with with the 236 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.119 reverence upon free will and the nature of man to be able to make that 237 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:44.640 choice when you when you keep that in a place of of height and respect, 238 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.039 is a good thing as far as predestination really that when you go through 239 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.400 it. And the three basic points, by the way, the three types 240 00:20:52.480 --> 00:21:00.519 of predestination as when as it regards to salvation, is general pre destination. 241 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.160 That's the belief that God wills every one to be saved and foremos who will 242 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:11.839 respond in faith. The second one is single predestination, that God chooses who 243 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.119 will be saved. And the third one is double predestination, which is God 244 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:21.920 chooses who will be saved and who will be damned. And all of these 245 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.039 have their pluses and minuses, both theologically and scripturally, but they all play 246 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:32.160 a part in some form. The biggest problem arises when somebody tries to make 247 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:37.160 one part of that bigger than the other in a way that mutes the balance 248 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:45.920 that's going on there. So be sure not to fall into that category. 249 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.839 Benjamin, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Good morning, Jesus, Hi 250 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.759 Benjamin, how are you doing? I am well, and you I'm doing 251 00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:00.119 excellent, great, good to hear. I have a quick question in regards 252 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:08.720 to the original name of Jesus. Okay, I noticed in various Bibles, 253 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.279 because I do a lot of study good the Bible, about other texts, 254 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:21.720 about other religions, and I was always curious because different preachers have given me 255 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:32.359 different answers to this question. And my question is why does the Bible not 256 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:41.920 use the original name of Jesus Christ? Okay, Well, interestingly enough, 257 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:49.119 the people when they ask that question are usually referring to my name, but 258 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:55.640 even Christ wouldn't have been used either, if you want to be super specific. 259 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.319 But the reason why add to the defense of those that are answered before 260 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:06.759 me. The reason why you're probably getting different answers is because it's for multiple 261 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:11.480 reasons. So you might have gotten a partial answer from somebody, and it 262 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.240 doesn't mean that it's false. It means it's only part of the answer. 263 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.799 I'll give you kind of a roundabout answer, kind of a little bit of 264 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:25.400 everything. First of all, if you go back, the actual name is 265 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:29.720 people say Yeshua, but that's not the name that's like calling you ben it's 266 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.599 your name, but it's an abbreviation of your name Benjamin. So it's not 267 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:45.559 even Yeshua. It's Yehoshua, and it translates in English as Joshua. However, 268 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.519 there are more than one Joshua's in scripture, and just like in movies, 269 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.759 if you notice in movies they'll portray me with like blue eyes and very 270 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:57.039 Caucasian looking. That has, you know, all kinds of reasons as well, 271 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:00.079 but one of the reasons that's done is so that I stand out in 272 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.799 the group, so that there's and that's why I have lighter hair and things 273 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.400 like that. It may be kind of a turn off to some people, 274 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.960 but a lot of times that's used cinematically to make my character stand out to 275 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.400 look different from everybody else. That's you know, my followers and so on 276 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:21.680 and so forth. And in the case of scripture, it's similar where if 277 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:26.599 you were to use that name Joshua, there are many other Joshuas in scripture 278 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.200 and it could get lost. So what ends up happening is they take a 279 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:37.400 version that it kind of deals with the Greek and the Latin, and then 280 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.880 that's been modified in English, and what comes from that is the word or 281 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:47.680 name Jesus. So that's used to stand out and so people know that when 282 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:53.160 it's referring to me, this Joshua, that it's referring to me specifically, 283 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.640 so that stands out as Jesus. But it's really a combination of going through 284 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.319 in the Old English, going through the Greek, and going through the Latin, 285 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:11.440 and coming out with this named Jesus, which is focused on me specifically, 286 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.799 separating me from the others in scripture so that people don't get confused. 287 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:22.799 So it's it's to separate you from from josh from the others were the same 288 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.680 name. Oh I see. I have one other quick question. Well, 289 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:33.119 I was at a elder's house. I was helping my elder and she's up 290 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.680 in age, and she had this Nativity. She had this last suffer scene. 291 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.119 Okay. It was a huge, old, old old picture. Okay. 292 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:47.960 It was probably about five feet five feet about six feet long. Okay. 293 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.920 So because it was so large, it showed everyone in detail. Okay, 294 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.920 Okay, of course it had all of the men and everything, and 295 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:03.640 then next to Jesus was this this person that was obviously not a man, 296 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.480 all of the men. I think John, I think John would differ with 297 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:12.079 you, but go ahead, all of the men. And I pointed this 298 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.039 out to her because another elder said the same thing that I said, and 299 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.960 she was one hundred and four okay. I pointed out that every last one 300 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:27.960 of these men have beards, including the young The younger of the group of 301 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:37.240 men now sitting next to Jesus was obviously a pretty woman. Well, can 302 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.599 I explain to you who it was, Benjamin? Yes? Please. If 303 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:47.200 you go back and you study art of that period, there is a specific 304 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:52.799 style of art that's done when denoting a young student, and the young male 305 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.759 student ends up looking female. As a matter of fact, the original done 306 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:03.240 by da Vinci. The sc is the original commission. Sketches still exist to 307 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.319 this day and are labeled, and the individual that you're talking about is labeled 308 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:15.359 John simply so. It deals with the style of art at the time the 309 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:22.279 way you, just like I was saying that artistic license in films will often 310 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.079 make me white. I wasn't white. Now African Americans will say, oh, 311 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:32.640 he was black, but that's not true either. My skin was dark, 312 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:38.519 absolutely, and closer to a black man's skin than a Caucasian absolutely, 313 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:48.720 However I wasn't African. So in context, what ends up happening is the 314 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:56.559 artistic license adapts a style to make the character stand out or exaggerate the character 315 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.640 in a way that denotes something about them. So in the case of da 316 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:07.160 Vinci's painting of the Last Supper, the painting that looks effeminine really is showing 317 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.319 the youth of John, my beloved, which is who I referred to as 318 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:21.759 my beloved throughout scripture quite often. So this young boy was younger than everyone 319 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.359 else, and there's denoted with feminine attributes. And this is very common and 320 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:33.799 you can see it throughout the same time period painting wise, and was used 321 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.720 by many artists, including Da Vinci. And so if you go back and 322 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.480 take a little you say that you like to study, and I appreciate that, 323 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.519 and you do a little poking around, you'll see that not only was 324 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:52.880 the style was this kind of effeminine student the style of the day. Also 325 00:28:52.960 --> 00:29:00.640 the sketches still exist to this day of the original commission of the Last Supper, 326 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.119 and it explains exactly who it is. But there's there's the truth, 327 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.640 and I hope that that that helps I appreciate that you join us every single 328 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.680 Sunday right here on the Jesus Christ Show. 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