1 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:20,800 We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emil Jasanski, 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,160 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,359 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,159 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts into the premium version of 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,079 our website as well. Today we're joined by doctor Heywood Robinson along with his 6 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,960 wife, doctor Narene Johnson. He is out with a new book called The 7 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:48,119 Scalpel and the Soul. As a former abortionist who became a dedicated pro life 8 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,079 advocate, doctor Robinson presents in this book a unique and thought provoking perspective that 9 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,960 is sued to generate deeply insightful and engaging dialogue for your audience. According to 10 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,920 his publisher, doctor Robinson, thank you for joining us. It's a blessing 11 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,239 to be here. Thank you for having me. Yeah. You know, 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,280 obviously, the part of your bio that I just read that probably grabbed a 13 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,280 lot of people's attention is the former abortionist element of it, and I know 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,640 that plays a huge role in the book. Can you tell us a little 15 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,000 bit about your background. Folks should of course buy the book and get the 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,879 full story. But you could tell us a little bit about your background and 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:34,599 how you ended up in the position where you were a medical professional performing abortions. 18 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,599 Well, let's do our best to do a reader's digest version for a 19 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,560 couple of minutes. Basically, worn and raised in southern California, wanted to 20 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:49,040 be a physician ever since I was about four or five years old. I 21 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:53,359 don't know where that came from because none of my family was educated. I 22 00:01:53,599 --> 00:02:00,560 went through high school, college, medical school, turned to my community to 23 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:10,719 do residency and family medicine and on the family medicine rotation or the obg N 24 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,919 rotation of the family medicine residency, abortion training or learning to do the procedure 25 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:21,960 that's the DNC. It's something that you learned. Now. Many of the 26 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:29,560 people in the audience may have had dncs for a miscarriage to empty the uterus 27 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:36,159 of the products of conception so there's not bleeding and infection, but the same 28 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:44,400 procedure can be used to destroy a normal pregnancy. I met my wife, 29 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:49,159 my late wife, and residency training. As a matter of fact, she 30 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:54,159 was part of the team of physicians that taught me how to do this procedure, 31 00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:04,639 and she eventually was the cists just say, seduced into the abortion cartel, 32 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:13,240 the abortion industry. And when we became involved socially and also professionally, 33 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:20,240 she partnered or welcomed me in to work with her, moonlighting on that we'll 34 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,199 be working after hours weekends or after hours during the week at abortion facilities from 35 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,919 southern California. Now, I just like to remind our audience that even though 36 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:37,840 I do scientifically that a preborn child is indeed human, is indeed a developing, 37 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,840 a live human being is just not born. Yet I still bought it 38 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:50,400 into the culture or the lie that the sanctity of human life or the importance 39 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,840 of that life was not as important as one that was born. But what 40 00:03:55,159 --> 00:04:04,120 helps the individual except the lie that this class of people is not worthy of 41 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:10,199 the same right to life that we enjoy, is that money is the key 42 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:19,480 variable that helps blind one and lead a blind eye to help you continue in 43 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 what I referred to in the book and what we referred to in the book 44 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:33,000 as the de humanization and desensitization of the preborn child, so that that child 45 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:40,360 is not valued at the same value that we are. But the Lord saved 46 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:44,680 me, I became a follower of Jesus Christ, and when that happens, 47 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,199 he makes you a new creature. I was transformed by the renewing of my 48 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,959 mind, so that the simple truth of the sacredness of human life and we 49 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,160 being made in the image of God is the way I saw things. But 50 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:04,040 so now I understand the sanctity of human mind from God's point of view. 51 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:12,680 I understand it when I read the Framer's documents about how we're endued by certain 52 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,879 and alienable rance for our creator. You can argue pro life and the sanct 53 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:27,720 of life from any major paradigm politically, scientifically, and spiritually. So the 54 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,279 Lord switched us around. We became pro life warriors and working in the movement 55 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:36,360 since the late nineteen eighties, and the book will give you some very interesting 56 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:43,360 insight on that walk. When we put together the material for this book, 57 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,160 it's kind of like sweeping up a dirty realm and seeing how which sin can 58 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,480 pile up over the years. It's one thing when you look back and well, 59 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,439 I did this on one day, or I did that on another day. 60 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,920 But when you sweep it up and you put it in notes and you 61 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:08,959 start compiling a book, you really recognize what a wretched individual you can be 62 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,639 without the Lord Jesus Christ. So here I am today, redeemed, set 63 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,000 free, hoping that this book will change hearts, that will make people understand 64 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:27,480 that this abortion holocaust, which is a global holocaust that is killing right now 65 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:31,399 more than sixty million babies worldwide a year, a million and a half or 66 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:39,439 so in our country, that this is unprecedented spilling and shedding of innocent blood. 67 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:44,079 We've got to win this war. I believe that we, as we 68 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,519 follow God's leading in this movement, that we're going to win, and the 69 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:54,199 class of a preborn will indeed enjoy their right to life, liberty, and 70 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:58,920 the pursuit of happiness. I love that you said transformed by the renewing of 71 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:02,560 your mind, the one from the Book of Romans. And I'm fascinated that 72 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:08,560 you went on this journey with your wife, and I wanted to hear if 73 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,639 you could tell us just a little bit about what that was like about your 74 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,040 wife and about the moment. I'm sure it was more than just one moment, 75 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,879 but the season in your life when you both started to turn to each 76 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:26,399 other. And wonder if the profession you dedicated yourselves too. Was not just 77 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,240 helpful as you thought as a physician obviously that was practicing abortion, but actually 78 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:40,639 quite the opposite and was harmful right well, as you said, it wasn't 79 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,360 just one moment. Everyone has a who's a believer has a testimony, just 80 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:54,199 as we have a DNA or fingerprints in retina that are unique to our individuals, 81 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Solves. I went to a Christian contemporary creation music concert on March second, 82 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:07,800 nineteen eighty six. Leon Partilo was performing, and he prayed during the 83 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:16,160 intermission of his concert and said something to the effect those that want things to 84 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,439 be one hundred percent right with God to stand up. Well, I didn't 85 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:26,680 really know the gospel, basically spiritual laws, all the other things that I 86 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,439 had, you know that we know now as believers. But I stood up 87 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:35,200 because you know who doesn't want things right with God? And I prayed what 88 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,440 I recognize now as a sinner's prayer, and I took it to heart. 89 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:52,480 But I didn't realize until as a few weeks progressed that I had been, 90 00:08:52,600 --> 00:09:01,559 indeed gone through my Damascus Road experience. It's just that I wasn't aware of 91 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,240 the process at the time. Over the next several weeks. So it just 92 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,000 so happened that our youngest child was about to be born, and my roommate 93 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:18,440 from medical school was coming to be at that delivery, and he just happened 94 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:24,080 to be the son of the Pentecostal preacher, and he started sharing the gospel 95 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,600 with me and actually told me that he and his wife had been praying for 96 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:33,759 my wife and I too. So Lord just took that particular time in our 97 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:41,240 lives to show us the truth about abortion, and to make us His disciples, 98 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,120 and to turn us around so that we could indeed be a part of 99 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,879 When I believe it's the most noble cause in the history of human kind. 100 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:58,080 There has never been a war likeness. There has never been the magnitude of 101 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:05,519 bloodshed on any level, particularly innocent blood. We have a I believe, 102 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:13,320 a holy calling to come to the aid of these innocent people and children who 103 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:20,759 have no voice, who have no political power, who have nothing to get 104 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:26,559 us except for their love if they're allowed to be born. So I'm calling 105 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:33,480 on the conscience of medicine, the conscious of Americans, the conscious of individuals 106 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:43,200 all around the globes, that they become aware of how serious this war against 107 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:50,799 babies is. And I'm curious now that a year has passed since the Supreme 108 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:56,879 Court rendered its decision in the Bob's case. How you think you know? 109 00:10:56,919 --> 00:11:01,399 Obviously we know I've seen an estimate of some twenty five thousand babies lived this 110 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,000 year who before Dobs would not have and it sort of harkened a number on 111 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,159 that. But we've an a estimate is staggering. But in the last year, 112 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:16,639 how do you think this conversation has shifted? If you think it's shifted, 113 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:20,320 is it for the better? Is it for the worst? What lies 114 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,039 ahead of us as we look at a year post Dobs? Now, I 115 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:31,159 believe it's a good thing that the Supreme Court reverse it's horrible decision. Of 116 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,879 course, it goes right along with Dress Scott Pleather versus Ferguson to illustrate that 117 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,480 the Supreme Court is made of human beings, and human beings make errors, 118 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:52,720 And of course the versus Way decision was a great error, the overturning of 119 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,200 but I think it did more for the reputation of the Supreme Court than it 120 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:03,320 does for pre one children. People need to recognize that the overturning of Rovie 121 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:09,879 Wave was nothing like what happened after the Civil War with Emancipation Proclamation, etc. 122 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,679 What happened during that time. Slavery essentially was ended at that time. 123 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:26,279 Not so with abortion because of the way was made. We still have a 124 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:33,720 large number of states doing abortions. We still have a great, great fight 125 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,279 to go forward with. We have a few states that are abortion free, 126 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,279 other states that have limitations, but we have a large number of abortion going 127 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,960 more that we've only cut down the number of abortions, as you've mentioned, 128 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:58,440 Maybe it's hard. Maybe the number of abortions just gone down twenty percent, 129 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,279 it maybe thirty percent, but that's not acceptable that we have the number of 130 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:09,399 abortions that are still going on. Our fight is continuing, so at least 131 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,120 the decision that was made when those nine men who in nineteen seventy three donned 132 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:22,240 the black robes and called themselves supreme made a horrible decision that has led to 133 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:30,320 a death toll of close to sixty something million babies killed in the United States 134 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:37,919 and seventy three. Yes, it's good that decisions overturned, but the effect 135 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:48,960 of it and the unfortunate agreeing with that decision in medicine to be the executioners 136 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:56,039 of this death sentence that continues, and now we have so much propaganda, 137 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:03,279 so many lives that are happening now that are trying to make people think that 138 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:09,440 there's, oh, there's so many women out there, they just can't find 139 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,200 abortion here. That's just not true. They may have to travel a little 140 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,679 farther for it. The other factor that we need to make very clear is 141 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:26,000 that the medical abortion, the abortion pill, has made abortion far more accessible 142 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:33,399 for a large number of women and a lot more unsafe environment because there's basically 143 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:41,519 no pre procedural assessment for gestational age at topic, etc. So there are 144 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:46,559 lots of women we just can't how can we possibly count or keep up with 145 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,200 the babies who are killing with chemical abortion. So there is no shortage of 146 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:56,600 abortion. There is no lack of access. Yes, they're in Texas. 147 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:03,080 We have I haven't been speaking to you from access in the Gulf. They 148 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:07,159 have from what I understand, an abortion boat where you can get on a 149 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 boat and go for little cruise or whatever and have your abortion. We have 150 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,480 employers in certain parts of the country that will pay for women to go get 151 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:24,519 their babies killed. Isn't it interesting that when you've ever heard an employer who 152 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:30,639 would take care of an employee who needed some heart disease, taking care of 153 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,279 or any other medical matters. But when it comes to abortion, it's just 154 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:45,600 so important that now we see employers say they'll even relocate employees if they feel 155 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:52,159 that they have to have an abortion. Are baby killing facilities are that are 156 00:15:52,279 --> 00:16:00,559 close to them? It's just an absolute horrid situation. 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And as somebody 164 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,559 who used to, one of the more interesting things you mentioned earlier was sort 165 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,080 of getting sucked into the social milieu of your job, which is easy for 166 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:48,799 everyone, but probably a very different thing when you're performing abortions professionally. And 167 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:56,240 I wonder how you in retrospect. Think other people who are in that industry 168 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,759 justify it to themselves, you know, when you're outside of it. It's 169 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:07,279 probably one thing to look from the outside in. But how people justify actually 170 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,759 making money off of the chemical abortion drugs, How they justify working day in 171 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:18,799 and day out to snuff the life out of unborn children? What does that's 172 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:25,119 a process like just on a human level. And I alluded to that a 173 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:30,160 bit earlier. It's a process as I look at how I was enticed, 174 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:44,119 desensitized incrementally, how you incrementally dehumanize the preborn child, and that the humanization 175 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,880 actually goes back to the physician. Also, it starts pretty much the same 176 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:56,920 way an individuals starts smoking. If those of us who tried to smoke a 177 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,680 cigarette at once recognize our experienced that the first reaction was that you started coughing. 178 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:11,839 That was because your body recognized the smoke as a noxious, unwelcome agent. 179 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:17,039 And that's normal. But all you have to do is continue to smoke, 180 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,400 and you can become addicted to it. So with respect to abortion, 181 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,519 the first time I was exposed to if you have somewhat a bible to call 182 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:33,640 a cerebral queasiness, so to speak, if there be such a term, 183 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:38,680 you say, it's just maybe something not so quite right about this. But 184 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,319 the next time you watch an abortion, you're desensitized to get a bit, 185 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,519 you know, the eyes of the window to your soul. Then the next 186 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:52,680 thing, you know, a week later, a month later, it becomes 187 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:57,720 a routine. You no longer see it as a woman who's losing their child. 188 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:03,400 You're no longer see it as a baby that you're killing. You're just 189 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:08,839 instead of killing a baby, you're you're performing an abortion. You see, 190 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,920 you're not killing a baby. You're just exercising the woman's reproductive rights. Let's 191 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:21,880 change that, you know, let's use the euphemisms that they that they use, 192 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,759 but they're all are related to dehumanizing individual. You know, a woman's 193 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,920 reproductive rights doesn't mention the child. If we look at businesses in the cartel 194 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:41,880 like Planned the Parenthood, their name is alive. They don't plan to help 195 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,759 people become parents. Okay, So it's from the loeu of lies that you 196 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:56,519 live in that creates a false construct a reality of life. And that it's 197 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:02,920 amazing that all of us who are in line went through a stage of life 198 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,359 where we were free born and just as vulnerable as the babies that are in 199 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:15,680 the world right now, we see great injustices, racial disparities. Now I'm 200 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:22,400 a Black American, I can tell you that the founder of Planned Parenthood, 201 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:30,000 Margaret Singer, who was a eugenicist, clearly stated that there are certain races 202 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:37,319 of people's, certain individuals, which are human weeds and should not proliferate in 203 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,400 the population. And she had a vision of that being realized, in other 204 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:51,720 words, controlling certain population groups. And what we see now is an actual 205 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,599 and then actualization of her vision. If we look at New York, there 206 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:06,279 are more black babies that are killed by abortion than there are born alive. 207 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,799 The most dangerous place in the United States, or really in the United States, 208 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:18,240 and for sure in New York is a black womb. Approximately one third 209 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:26,039 of all black pregnancies will end an abortion, and that is genocide. And 210 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:33,519 that is the manifestation of the eugenic policies that were started to actually way back 211 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:44,599 in the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds with the eugenics movements. And 212 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,759 as you went through or as you have gone through this last period of oh 213 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,799 Man, that you would know this much better than I do. The recent 214 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:03,319 turn towards chemical abortion, which has been a hard pivot something that's been around 215 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,799 for a while, although not in the scope of human history. It's a 216 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,720 very very new technology to be able to kill your child so easily with a 217 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,880 pill. But it's a pivot that the left has made very intentionally, the 218 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:21,519 abortion industry has made very intentionally. But from your perspective, is that really 219 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:26,480 making it easier? Easy is an interesting word? Is it? Is it 220 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,880 a method that does, to your point, further condition people to accept and 221 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,240 normalize the evil of what's happening? Are what are the dangers going forward as 222 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,160 more and more abortions are performed with pills? Yeah, sure it does. 223 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:48,599 Of course it does, because now the doctor is usually not even in the 224 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:55,759 picture. So but what it does It creates a situation where a woman is 225 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:02,480 truly alone, going through a horrible pain, bleeding many times at home, 226 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:10,039 doing basically a do it yourself abortion. What it does it makes it so 227 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:15,960 easy for a person to suppress the reality well I'm going to take this pill 228 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:22,519 and I'm going and it's going to take my baby's life. It is it 229 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:32,839 does make it easier because then it isolates a woman. It puts them in 230 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,160 a situation where, yes, I can do this all by myself. I 231 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:44,519 don't have to tell anyone. It's going to be an easier kept secret. 232 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:51,160 But it's a horrible way for women to go. It's an abortion. It's 233 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:57,160 not it's not natural. It's not normal for a woman to want to harm 234 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:03,440 their child, born or free. So the whole notion of getting a mechanical 235 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:11,000 abortion or a chemical abortion is still a great step. But yes, it 236 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,519 does make it easier if a woman, either by mail or by the worst, 237 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:21,920 by the internet, or by the web the web, gets a pill 238 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:30,400 and takes it. It also creates another market where there are human traffickers. 239 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,680 There are pimps that keep their own supply of the abortion pills so that if 240 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,200 one of their workers gets preyed it, they just go ahead and make them 241 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:48,880 take the abortion, the abortion pill, the chemical abortion. So it makes 242 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:55,839 it seem like you're just treating a headache, like you're just treating a bladder 243 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,039 infection. I'm just going to take this pill and my problem is going to 244 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,880 go away. And another thing on my mind right now is we're talking through 245 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,759 some of this is I imagine over the years, you've had people from different 246 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,440 perspectives or people with different perspectives on life challenge you, or you've been in 247 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,759 conversations with folks who disagree with you, and a lot of people, especially 248 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,640 from non religious backgrounds, definitely buy the argument that this is sort of the 249 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:32,480 right of the woman to make this decision because the baby is part of her 250 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,279 body. We're all very familiar with that line of argumentation. But as you've 251 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,039 been confronted with those in the past, and as somebody who's seen this up 252 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,960 close and personal, what do you say to folks who make that argument. 253 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,079 It's really very simple. First off, you have to make it very clear 254 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:55,720 the baby is not part of the woman's body. It's within the woman's body 255 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,519 and occupying a space within their uterus, And basically it's the baby wanting forty 256 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:07,960 weeks of least time to grow and then move out of the apartment. So 257 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:15,960 you need to make people aware that there's double mindedness with abortion, that you 258 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:22,519 can't have it both ways. All we need to do is look at laws 259 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:29,119 that we have on the books that protect preborn children. For instance, if 260 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:36,920 a woman goes to see her obstriction and the obstriction suspects or finds out that 261 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:45,359 that mother is taking drugs, that doctor is obligated by law to notify child 262 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:52,799 protective services because the state has an interest in the welfare of the child that 263 00:26:53,119 --> 00:27:00,039 is now being affected by a mother's taking whatever drug That is. Another a 264 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:07,039 simple example is to look at say the Scott Peterson case. You have a 265 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:14,279 man who murdered his pregnant wife. He is on death row for two murders. 266 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,359 You see, you can't have it both ways. Where the state recognizes 267 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:29,079 the preborn child as a human being, that when it's killed, it's recognized 268 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,319 as a murder. But then if you take an individual who has a license 269 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,680 to practice medicine and they kill the baby, it's not a murder. You 270 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:44,720 can't have it both ways. So either Scott Peterson should only be on death 271 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:51,279 row for one murder and not two, so the state has a multitude of 272 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,640 laws that protect the preborn child. You cannot if I walk up to a 273 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,920 woman and hit her in the belly and they called as her to miscarriage, 274 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:14,960 to have a miscarriage, I indeed will incur illegal consequences to that assault on 275 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:22,640 the mother and on the child. You can't have it both ways, right 276 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,440 right, Well, as we're wrapping up here, doctor Robinson, is there 277 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,559 is there anything we haven't touched on that you think is just so important for 278 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:38,319 people to know that maybe they don't know about this important issue. Well, 279 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:45,279 I would hope that the scales of the people who would call themselves believers and 280 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,880 that the church would wake up. You see, the Church, and these 281 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,720 are the followers of Large Jesus Christ. So many of them turn a blind 282 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,359 eye to this. They think of it as a political whole issue. Now, 283 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,880 the taking of the innocent blood, the harming of innocence, particular babies, 284 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,799 is nothing new. Those that understand the Bible, those has read the 285 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,480 Bible know that for millennia, preborn children, our babies have been offered up 286 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:23,519 in sacrifice to God's moleac bail, etc. This is not new. But 287 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:30,400 what we also must recognize that this is a very very evil thing and God 288 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,920 hates it. So if we are a God fearing country, if you are 289 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,359 a God fearing individual, you have to be sensitive to the fact that this 290 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:45,519 is nothing more. It's nothing different than what went on in the Middle East 291 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,839 and thousands of years ago. They went on in Israel, and they were 292 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,960 severely punished for what they did by the worshiping of these foreign gods and the 293 00:29:55,079 --> 00:30:00,079 sacrifice of their children will not be tolerated. But how we're supposed to be 294 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:10,720 a human race that understands the sanctity of human life and welcomes babies, not 295 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,240 kills them. We've got to stop thinking that a preborn child is something that 296 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:26,319 is not human and should have the opportunity to be born and enjoy the beauty 297 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,000 of a life, because God has a purpose for their life, and indeed, 298 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:41,759 each and every human being adds to the beauty of our world. The 299 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Scalpel and the Soul is available now. It is a very powerful contribution to 300 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,839 your reflections on the decline of Row. I recommend you check it out. 301 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,839 Doctor Haywood Robinson, thank you so much for joining us. It's been a 302 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,720 blessing that you have a wonderful day. You too, sir, You've been 303 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,640 listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Joshinsky, culture 304 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,039 editor here at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 305 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:21,480 be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray heard the fames a reason 306 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,920 and then it faded away.