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And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This

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is the show that explores family friendly
audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, Jad Sutter.
This is episode one hundred and seventy

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nine. Well, in this episode, I've got a review of Crown of

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Success from Lampider Theater and ATC contributor
Austin Peachie will be joining me for that.

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I've got some feedback from Christopher green
E Z and Sarah, some audio

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drama updates to get to in just
a minute, and we'll also have another

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monologue segment. This time, I'm
going to talk a little bit about some

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audio drama fan engagement ideas, and
lastly, post credits because it will have

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spoilers, Austin and I are going
to talk a little bit about the recent

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Lamplighter Theater bookends and the continuing arc
with Finney and Jones. So a whole

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lot to get to in this episode. Let's kick it off by jumping into

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the audio drama updates. Wired her
up this program to bring you a special

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report and in other news tonight,
a brief look at the headlines. Now

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they want exciting, fast piece news
that's relevant and entertaining like this. Well,

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some sad news here at the top, and that is that Ron Hamilton,

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the voice of Patch the Pirate and
the creator of that show, died

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on April nineteenth, twenty twenty three. He was seventy two years old.

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He was not just the creator of
that show, but he was also a

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musician and a composer, and he
wrote many, many songs and hymns over

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the years, and you can find
a lot of that music out on the

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streaming services. But I believe the
first Patch the Pirate album was released in

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nineteen eighty one somewhere around there,
and they have consistently put out new releases

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ever since then. And I know
there are many fans of that show.

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Yes, it is geared towards younger, younger audiences, but I know that

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there are a significant number of you
listening who grew up on that show.

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And it's a it's a sad day
if you have never heard that show.

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It is played every Saturday morning on
Portlight FM radio, so you can check

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it out there. But although the
character of Patch has not been present on

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the show for the last several releases, it is still going strong and they're

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doing great work over there. There
are always a lot of fun those Those

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shows are are really really fun.
It's a great quality program. While on

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a lighter note, I wanted to
tell you about an upcoming audio drama stream

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where you can listen back to back
to a couple of audio dramas for free

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and then hear some behind the scenes
info from the producers of those shows.

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And that is a stream called Shadows
and Sherlock, which will feature Christopher Green

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sharing an episode of Shadows and Daylight, followed by Craig Hart, who has

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produced a couple of Sherlock Holmes audio
dramas, and so you'll get to listen

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to those together with a live audience. And here's some behind the scenes from

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those guys. So if you want
more information about how to participate in that,

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head over to Shadows and Daylight's website, which is Shadows and Daylight dot

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c A and either join their discord
server because they will be announcing that there,

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or sign up to the mailing list
which is all linked there at the

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website and you will get notified of
those events. This will be an ongoing

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event and Christopher is teaming up with
different producers and so if this sounds like

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something you want to participate in,
be sure to get connected with them.

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Well. Speaking of Sherlock Holmes,
there is another Sherlock Holmes audio drama,

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an original that was just released and
it was produced by Caleb Bressler, an

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actor that we interviewed here on the
show in episode one seventy three due to

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his work on Lamplighter Theaters King Jack, and he has launched a new audio

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drama brand called mind Palace Audios,
and he has produced and released his first

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production, which is called Sherlock Holmes
The Adventure of the Nightmare and it is

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a twenty eight minute audio drama that
is really interesting. It's worth checking out

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and it is available to stream for
free. And Caleb not only voiced Sherlock

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Holmes in this production, but he
did all of the editing in the post

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production as well. So it's very
cool to see people in the space branching

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out and doing different aspects of creating
audio drama and doing it well. So

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link is in the show notes of
course if you want to check that out.

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And I do believe that Caleb has
other ideas that will be produced in

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the future, so be sure to
subscribe to the feed for mind Palace Audios

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and in other podcast feed notes.
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episode, but the Kaboom podcast from
BYU Radio and the creators of The apple

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Seed storytelling show, they have continued
to crank out episodes and I've listened to

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every single one of them. A
couple of them were re released from their

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original airing on the apple Seed,
but now that they have a dedicated audio

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drama feed they are going to be
sharing those there. But I've listened to

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all of them. They are doing
really great work. I really really like

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them. I think my favorites so
far have been one called The Shiny and

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the glass Cutter. They're just fun
shows and I'm really liking it. This

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anthology approach where you just get these
random stories that you never know where you're

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going to go in them, and
they're usually around twenty to twenty five minutes

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long. And what's also cool is
the producers will come on at the end

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and talk a little bit about the
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either the process or what the stories
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so it's it's really fun. And
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there's this character who is a doctor
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thread in the story about having steady
hands because you know, well, I

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don't want to spoil it anyway,
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But anyway, link is in the
show notes to the Kaboom podcast and I

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highly recommend grabbing that link to pod
Chaser, which will then get you to

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whatever podcast app that you prefer,
because there are a lot of shows out

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there that have Kaboom in the name, and so this way you can ensure

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you get to the right feed.
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think we may have mentioned very briefly
in the past, but we haven't really

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talked too much in depth about it, and I'm not sure exactly why I

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think it was because it hasn't really
been available for purchase or download yet.

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It's only been airing on the radio
up to this point. But it is

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called The Clue Crew and it is
from Pacific Garden Mission, who are the

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producers have unshackled and so it's a
lot of the same creative people involved in

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this show. You may have heard
it referenced in the last episode in our

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conversation with Charlie Richards, because he
is one of the writers for that show.

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So let me tell you a little
bit about it. I'll share the

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official summary of the show here.
The Clue Crew series tells the story of

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the Clue Children, who recently moved
from Venezuela to Chicago to join their estranged

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uncle, Rear Admiral Charles Clue,
commander of the Great Lakes Naval Base.

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After the children's Christian missionary parents,
Chris and Elizabeth Clue die in a plane

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crash in the mountains of Brazil,
Uncle Chuck must take custody of the children

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as the next of kin, but
bachelor Uncle Chuck, his doctor friend Bonnie

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Chan and the Clue Children or Clue
Crew must adjust to their contrary lifestyles and

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needs, along with their pet Capucian
monkey Bingo. The Clue Crew's natural curiosity

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and sense of daring make for some
exciting and even outrageous adventures. So this

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one is also aimed at a bit
of a younger audience. But it is

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a really fun show, well done, and they're fun episodes. Now here's

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why I'm talking about it. Now, They are going to be making all

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of the episodes available for download on
the website coming this summer. We don't

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know yet if they are going to
be available to download for free or if

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they will have a cost associated with
them, But in the meantime, if

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you want to check them out,
go to cluecrew dot org. Now it's

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Clu without the e Clu crew dot
org. The family's name is Clue Clu

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and so on the website you'll see
the list of episodes some information about it.

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They've also started doing study guides for
the episodes, and so anyway,

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at that site they will be available
soon for you to download. But in

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the meantime you can listen to them
on Unshackled Radio, and I do believe

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it is also airing on select radio
stations as well, so there is information

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there out how you can listen until
they are available for download. All right,

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moving on to a couple of real
quick items. The first is Adventures

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and Odyssey has jumped into the low
fi craze and they released a remix of

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some Adventures and Odyssey qes and themes, and it's a thirty five minute music

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track for you to play while you
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listening to low Fi. I have
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In fact, I turned it on
to let it play while I was falling

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to sleep last night. So it's
fun hearing those familiar Odyssey cues put to

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a different use. And it's interesting. It's very interesting that they are jumping

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into this space. But there's a
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and stream it for free. And
next up is just a short note that,

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in case you missed the post on
our blog, River Cross is in

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pre production for a new mini series
called The Bridge to Freedom. They produced

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Holding Esther and Joboda Bridge a while
back and those were fantastic, and so

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this one will be coming soon.
Many of the same team members are involved

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in this one. There's a link
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of the details there. But they
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of April to produce this. Now, of course, we are in May

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now, so that deadline has passed. Although if you are able, I'm

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sure they would not turn down your
donation to help them get this show produced

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and out into the world here in
the coming months. All right, Next

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up, today, the day that
This episode is dropping is the same day

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that Glenn Haskell is releasing his new
audio drama. It is a short series

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called on Demand. Now. This
one is very different from his last release,

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Slipping Past the Garden Gate, and
it is more akin to something like

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BTV or Kids Radio on Odyssey.
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is not trying to parody or copy
what AIO has done with those formats,

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and that the ideas for these sketches
which are all put together in this show

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have been around for many years.
And in fact, here's Glenn to share

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a little bit about his inspiration for
this new series called on Demand. Glenn

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Haskell here, creator of Demand and
more than twenty years ago, God sent

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me on a journey that I just
haven't recovered from yet. I had the

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idea that if churches and schools had
short sketch based material, they could use

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it to share a message, promoted
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their service or assembly. Now.
I started doing this because my wife,

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who was a teacher and needed something
for her kids to perform for a Thanksgiving

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event for parents. I would go
on to write a new script for her

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every year. Well the next decade
found me writing more than four hundred short

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stage presentations and then sending them off
at no cost to a growing list of

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global users. Now they were picked
up by other services. Some of those

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scripts were used and translated into ten
different languages that I know of, and

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I still hear from people every month
who were using the scripts. This is

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also what led me to become fully
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ten, twelve, fifteen years ago, even before that, but more strongly

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engaged. On Demand is a return
to the short sketches once wrote so frequently.

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Some of what you're here in on
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early work, some brand new,
and all we've together with a significant point.

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By a third episode in the series, I'm blessed to be joined by

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an amazing cast who have significant credits
and high profile audio dramas themselves. They're

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helping to bring this unorthodox idea to
light and they're crushing it. From our

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team to your home. I hope
you enjoy what you hear when on Demand

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is fully released in May. So
on Demand episode one, the Journey Begins,

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drops today, so you can check
that out. And he's putting that

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on YouTube, but it will also
be coming to Dramafy as well, and

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there are at least two more I
know that he has two planned. Who

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knows what the future might hold.
But the second installment will be coming in

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July, and you may hear a
familiar voice in this one. Actually,

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there'll be a lot of familiar voices, I think. But I was privileged

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to be able to voice a few
characters in this show and it was a

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lot of fun. Really enjoyed one
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So you gotta listen. You gotta
listen to this show. It's very fun,

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funny and thought provoking as well,
which I think is exactly what Glenn

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was going for. And the last
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case you missed it. We posted
on the ATC blog our ultimate list of

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family friendly Western audio dramas, and
we have compiled several of these lists in

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the past on different themes, but
this is our latest, so links in

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the show notes to go check that
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if you're a fan of Western's and
know of any that we missed, be

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sure to let us know and we'll
get them on there as well. Testing

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one, two, three testing.
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that all, where's my speech?
Word with it? That's what I want

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to talk about. So here's what
I've been thinking about lately. I've been

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thinking a lot about the various methods
for building audience interaction and engagement with the

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fans of audio dramas. And as
I'm sure we're all aware, media consumption

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habits have shifted and changed a lot
in recent years, and even beginning as

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far back as ten or twelve years
ago. Radio has become less of a

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factor in audio drama distribution and more
of that focus has shifted to online methods.

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And so I've been thinking about how
producers can engage their audience or their

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fan base in between episodes or just
on an ongoing basis. And I'm talking

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about things beyond you know, just
a teaser for the for the next release,

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or trailers or behind the scenes content. You know, Odyssey has been

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doing that kind of stuff for a
long time, you know, doing the

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Odyssey scrapbook clips or whatever, and
those would go on the album releases or

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occasionally they'll drop those into the radio
broadcast in between breaks or whatever. That

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kind of stuff, which I love
that stuff. I'm not disparaging that at

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all. I really like it when
producers do that kind of stuff. As

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an audio drama nerd myself, I
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I'm talking about more along the lines
of either additional content or ways that you

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build engagement that kind of keep the
buzz going. I think the teasers and

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behind the scenes stuff, it's kind
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of doing that kind of thing.
And so what I'm what I'm kind of

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referring to are well, we just
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they've been recently doing some online only
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Then they have the comic strip.
They're doing these art recreations, so they'll

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use AI to do these illustrations of
you know, our main characters in the

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style of different famous artists and posting
those online. And then the low fi

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music track that I talked about in
the last segment. And years and years

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ago, they did the Odyssey Times
newspaper. Now there weren't a whole lot

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of issues of that, but they
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I remember I didn't find those until
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when they first started coming out,
but I ran across it at my local

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Christian bookstore many many years ago,
and I thought they were super cool.

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It was written with articles and even
had classified section and I remember reading a

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classified ad about Harlow Doyle and just
cracking up. And some of the other

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things that there was, you know, jokes in there, and you know,

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references to our characters from the show
and just stuff like that. It

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was fun. And none of these
things cost anything. These are not additional

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products, so these are all just
designed to get the fan base involved keep

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up the awareness of the show.
Now, Odyssey has built a huge fan

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base, and so I just wonder
how much these kinds of things have affected

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that and how much people really get
into them. I know, the super

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fans like myself, the nerds,
you know, we love that kind of

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extra stuff. But I wonder how
much of an effect it really has on

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the average fan, the listener who
just really enjoys the show. Do they

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do these kind of offerings cause them
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I don't know. And in more
recent years Shadows and Daylight, Christopher Green

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has been doing some really interesting things
he has a Discord server where fans can

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come in. Now, this is
not necessarily a new thing. This has

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been a popular thing to do for
podcast communities for quite some time now,

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you know, since the early days
of Discord, people were using them to

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communicate with their podcast fan base.
And so he's doing something similar with his

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audio drama and just doing using different
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keep them up to date on progress
and those kinds of things. And then

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also he's been releasing what he calls
case file fragments and posting them on the

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website, which are just very very
short little stories with the characters from the

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audio drama, and it's just a
little glimpse into their world, the world

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of shadows on daylight while you're waiting
for the next episodes to come out.

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And so there's these interesting creative ways
to engage with your community online. And

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again I'm not talking about additional product
offerings, because all of these things that

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I'm talking about are available free.
Their interaction tools and things. You know,

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certain brands, as they grow from
an audio drama, you know,

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it's kind of a natural thing to
have that spawn other products, like Odyssey

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has done video games and graphic novels
and middle grade reader books and all kinds

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of stuff, and Shadows and Daylight
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as well. They're developing a graphic
novel based on the series, and base

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Camp Adventures also did a comic book
based on their show, and they even

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did a video game based on their
show. Now, the difference there is

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though, that the base Camp Adventures
video game was a web game which was

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free, as opposed to the Adventures
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that they did those who were all
additional products for purchase. So these are

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just kind have been things I've been
running through as I think about how to

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encourage producers, new creators who are
getting into the space, how to grow

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a following around their show. These
kind of ideas are always kind of running

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through my mind, and I've just
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what sort of content or experiences do
you like or do you even bother with

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this kind of stuff? Does that
help you engage with a show more?

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And for the producers, so what
methods have you used that you think are

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worth your time and actually yield the
best results? And how can we maybe

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replicate that these ideas in other settings. And you know, your average consumer

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is not going to be a super
fan of all of the audio dramas out

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there, you know, so they
might gravitate to shadows and daylight because they

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love mystery and detective stories, or
it might gravitate more to a show that

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is more comedy because that's what really
resonates with them. So of course we

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can't just kind of copy all of
these methods over and just duplicate exactly the

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same thing. It has to be
tailored towards the particular show. But I

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know this segment is not always super
thought out. These are just things that

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are kind of bouncing around in my
brain, and so I just share them

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here, and if you have feedback
on it, I would love to hear

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what your thoughts are on this idea
of audience engagement tools and ways to interact

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and what works, what doesn't,
And if you have thoughts on any of

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this, I'd love to hear it. What do you think of our little

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plan? Your characters were weak,
your dialogue was cliched, and you didn't

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have much of a story. Wonderful
everyone, We have a delightful show.

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It's the Michael, A true genius
to you symbolism in that way, you

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may even get a standing ovation.
All right, Well, I've got my

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cup of iced coffee here and I'm
ready to talk about lamp Ladder Theater.

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Austin Peachy is joining me. Thank
you, Austin. It's always great having

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you on the show. My cup
of cold water and myself are ready to

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start this review. Thanks for having
me. Well, we're gonna talk about

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Crown of Success, which was released
the end of last year in twenty twenty

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two, and it is just about
three hours long, so one of the

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longer run times for lamp Lighter.
I mean, of course, I don't

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know if they'll ever beat the Hidden
Hand with anything else, but this one

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is on the longer side of things. Yeah, it's it's nice having that.

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I listened to on the road trip. It was really good having it

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that long length. We had a
lot of new stuff to listen to for

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a good portion of our voyage voyage. What am I thinking, I'm thinking

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shipwrecked. Probably it was good listen
to that auto road trip, our road

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journey, whatever you want to call
it. Yeah, you're getting a little

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bit ahead of things here. We're
on crown of success. Well ship breakfast

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three hours too, So that's really
awesome, nice, nice, Well,

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before we get too far into this
one, why don't you kick us off

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with this summary? Will this heart
of mind ben depridivies growing to hide the

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mess of me side of mega deglay
lond and open up the creaking door around

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the walk upon the dusty floor,
Scream away the guilty stays until no sin

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or shame remain. Spendlove, farm
walls and occupied the ampty holes until the

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man I am best feeded no more
doors a barricade comments, and this intriguing

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allegory, a silver crown of success
will be presented to the sibling who wisely

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uses time and money to furnish their
new home and garden. The results revealed

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that some have been hindered by the
temptations of their new friends, pride,

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procrastination, and folly. And who
will conquer the challenges of the thief of

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time, the lane of trouble,
or the brick of bother. Now,

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I'm going to say this right at
the top of this review that this was

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not my favorite Lamplighter theater ever.
In fact, it's probably my least favorite.

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But being the professional audio drama critic
that I am. I'm trying to

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set aside my personal feelings about this
one and just be objective. And I

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don't know all of your thoughts on
this. You don't know all of mine.

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But we had a conversation in one
of the Audio Drama Alliance and meetings

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a while back where we just happened
to mention that we had very differing opinions

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on this one, and so I
said, well, man, I need

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to have Austin come on to help
balance me out a little bit, because

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this is gonna be an interesting discussion. Now. I listened to so much

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audio drama and I'm always going in
with a critical ear, looking for the

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things that I think could be improved
or looking for those standout moments, and

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I always want to balance, you
know, negative with positive, and I've

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always done that from the very beginning
of this show, and so this one

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was really tough for me. I
have to say that it was really hard

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for me to get into. I
just did not find it interesting at all.

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Once we got past the bookend,
I just found the whole story.

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I hate to say this, but
I just found it kind of boring and

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it did not grab my attention at
all. That's not to say that there

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weren't a few lines or moments that
I thought we were nice, but overall,

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I'm just not into this story at
all. I guess I'm what I'm

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trying to say is I was not
the target for this. It did not

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resonate with me at all. And
so you know, take the rest of

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my thoughts on this one with a
grain of salt. If that bothers you

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listener, then you know you know
where I'm coming from on this. But

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with that disclaimer out of the way, let's start with the very opening book

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end, because that definitely grabbed my
attention. And we've had this ongoing arc

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with Finney and Jones for the last
several lamp Lighter releases. Now, Austin

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said, there's so much going on
in these, but we don't want to

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spoil things. Can we talk about
the bookends in a separate segment, and

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so I said yes. So if
you have already heard the last several lamp

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Lighter releases and you want to hear
us talk about those, stay to the

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very end of the show, after
the credits. We're going to chat about

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that a little bit, and it's
gonna be spoil or filled. So if

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you haven't heard them, then bail
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or the theme music. So all
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you think about this first opening book
end? Well, I have to say

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I was quite excited to hear it
after what happened in King Jack and things

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were ramped up quite a bit.
I did not expect it to go that

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epic. Well, more of that
later for the end, but I loved

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hearing Judah again. We haven't heard
him for the past couple lamp Lighter theaters,

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and I'm not sure is it the
same actor that played Juda before.

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He sounds quite a bit older.
Yeah, this one was different too.

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This was actually a girl that played
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Man. Lamp Lighter is so awesome. I picking actors to do that,

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I know, I can't remember her
name. Is one plays Luban in this

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and also King Jack and the last
one. I did not realize that was

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a at least for King Jack.
I didn't, but yeah, I did

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not notice that it was a girl
or a woman playing Judah. There.

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That's wow, that's amazing. Yeah, in the previous ones, the actor's

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name was Judah as well. If
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Judah ffecto. Yeah, effecto sounds
good. It sounds like that's what it

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was. Yeah. So, yeah, this is a different, different actor,

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and I knew there was a it
sounded a little bit different, but

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I had no idea that it was
a female either until I got to the

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cround, like more like his voice
change and that, and they just keep

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they kept the same person. But
I guess having a one play that character,

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they can keep the voice consistent without
having his voice change having to recast

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them. Yeah, that could be
the thought process behind that. But this

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one was a twelve minute opening book
end. I was like, Wow,

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this one's going on and on.
Is that a record? I don't know.

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The ending book end for King Jack
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and the one for a Tredge with
Secret Cove. I think the end

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for that one was quite long too, if I remember right. Yeah.

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And so there's some interesting little tidbits
that we get out of this one,

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and we're definitely going to get to
all of that later. But I did

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want to say I didn't have a
chance to confirm this because I just re

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listened to this one again today,
and I guess I may have missed it

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the first time. But was that
Phil Lawler as the parcel delivery man?

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I don't know. I didn't catch
that. I think it might have been,

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but he's not listed in the credits
at all. He wrote this adaptation,

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yeah, but he's not listed on
the acting side at all, So

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I'm not sure if it was or
not. But it sounded like him to

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me. But he did a really
if it was him, he did a

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really good job of not sounding like, you know, his self, because

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a lot of times we've heard Phil
do all sorts of voices in Odyssey over

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the years, and usually I can
tell that it's him, but this one,

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it took me a couple of times. I'm like, wait a minute,

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I think that might be, but
I'm not sure. Yeah, he

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was directing this too, I believe. So they might have just said,

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hey, Phil, you want to
do this line for us real quick,

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and maybe they just forgot to credit
him. I don't know. I'll have

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to go back and re listen to
that. Yeah, so I think it

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may have been. But that brings
us to the credits here. So,

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as I said, Phil Aller wrote
the main story the audio play as they're

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calling it here and the book end
was written by Mark Camby and sound designed

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by Alan Hurley, music by John
Campbell And as you said, Austin Phil

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also directed this one as well,
which is a post for him first time

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being on a lamp Later theater.
Yes, yep, we know that he's

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been involved in the Guild and the
Master's Guild the last few years, and

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so I guess it was inevitable that
he would eventually take part in some of

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the lamp Lader Theater productions. But
yeah, so this is the first time

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writing or directing for them. Yeah, I'm still holding out for that.

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Paulma Cusker written and directed lamp Latter
Theater, right, I know that would

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be amazing too. So we start
off this one after we move out of

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the book end. We have a
narrator of this story and Melissa Disney.

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Melissa Disney, Yes, she plays
allegory lit. And if you look at

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the way it's spelled, it's an
intentional misspelling or alternate spelling of allegory.

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I don't know if that's from the
original book or if that was a Phil

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Lawlor thing. And the lit is
probably short for literature, right, Yeah,

408
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,360
she introduces herself there at the top, but then she's not like a

409
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,039
character in the story. So it
could have just been a framing device that

410
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,039
he put in there, or it
could be from the book. I don't

411
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,320
know which it is. But speaking
of that, I know you've talked a

412
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,039
lot on the show about narrators nor
usage. What do you think about the

413
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:57,800
narrator usage in this one means so
heavy. I wasn't necessarily a fan of

414
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:04,840
it because I've felt like she was
kind of unnecessary, But it didn't bother

415
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,199
me quite as much because I just
was so not into the story all that

416
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,559
much anyway, So it was okay, I guess. But one part where

417
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:21,880
it did really stick out was when
Melissa Disney, as this narrator, has

418
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,320
lines back to back with a character
that she plays in the story. She

419
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:34,679
plays Folly, and I don't know
it was there wasn't miss Folly. Yeah,

420
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:42,599
she did a fantastic job differentiating the
characters, but the the vocal effect

421
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,519
or the way they were in the
mix felt a little like they weren't differentiated

422
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,880
enough at that point to me.
But that's a very nitpicky thing. Yeah,

423
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,239
up on that a little bit on
my second listen. So we have

424
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,159
these four characters, these four children, Gilbert, Maddie, Lubin, and

425
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,079
Nellie, two boys and two girls, and well I say children, but

426
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,239
one of them, the youngest is
eleven, and they go all the way

427
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,519
up to age fifteen, so I
guess teenagers. But it's it's weird because

428
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:19,480
we have this framing of this narrator
who's telling you this story, and she's

429
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,199
she says, welcome to the Land
of Story. And then when we get

430
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,400
into the story itself, then we
have this character named mister Learning and he

431
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,199
says, we're going to the land
of Learning, and it's just like these

432
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,280
it's layers within layers of these things. And then we go to this town

433
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:44,239
of was it the town of Education? And so it's just all these layers

434
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,159
of places. So it's like where
are we Are we in the land of

435
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,360
Story? Are we in the in
the land of learning? Where is this

436
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,519
taking place? What is this world
where this thing is happening? Yeah,

437
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:57,920
I don't think I was really confused
about that, But for the narrator thing,

438
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,920
I actually I think it was good. Like I really like Bliss of

439
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,599
Disney's voice. I've heard her narrate
some stuff for abide and her voice,

440
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
just as her regular voice, is
just so soothing, and she has such

441
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,639
a great warmth to this character.
And it's kind of a bit of whimsy.

442
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,840
And it is an allegory. And
the last thing we had an allegory

443
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,280
and lamp Ladder was the Giant Killer, which we had the father in that

444
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:29,039
as on the narrator, And I
know you love this story so night the

445
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,199
splendid way. I've only heard it
once. I wasn't really pressed with it

446
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,519
when I first heard it. But
was there a narrator in that one?

447
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,960
Do you remember? There is?
But he is a character, He's another

448
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,400
Knight who is telling the story,
and he actually shows up in the story

449
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,440
itself. Okay, well, I'm
thinking me, that's the only reason why

450
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,559
there's a narrator in this lamp Layer
theaters all the allegories is because with the

451
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:57,280
allegory you have to sometimes explain a
little bit more than it's probably harder to

452
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,119
put into dialogue to make it sound
natural. So I think the storytelling device

453
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,039
for the narrator I think worked,
and list of Disney just pulls it off

454
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,719
great. And also it's the first
time as a female narrator for a lamp

455
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,679
letter theater. There's other two would
being male narrator, so I think it

456
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,320
would differentiated itself pretty well. Yeah. Yeah, she does a fantastic job.

457
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,880
I have no complaints there at all. This one is so on the

458
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,719
nose though, there's like nothing to
explain, Like it's very obvious what everything

459
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,679
represents and what it's what the lesson
is. So that's why it kind of

460
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:40,320
felt a little unnecessary. And I
should also say too that my gripe with

461
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,320
this one is entirely just the story. Like the actors, every single one

462
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,039
of them more great. There were
some really standout performances, which we'll get

463
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,840
to in a little bit. The
sound design was wonderful, That music was

464
00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:00,440
fantastic, So I have no issues
at all with the production values or any

465
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,119
of the acting. That was all
fantastic. So I know you weren't too

466
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,119
keen on this drama being an allegory
since there's been a couple in the past.

467
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,599
Did they have anything go into your
mindset, like kind of your expectations,

468
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,440
Oh, it's just another allegory.
Did that you think that kind of

469
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,360
affected it? No, Generally speaking, I'm just I'm not a huge fan

470
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:30,840
of allegories that are this style,
this direct one to one kind of allegory.

471
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,039
Though I do love Pilgrim's Progress and
I loved Sir Knight of the Splendid

472
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:39,800
Way, So there are exceptions.
So I guess when I heard about it,

473
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,800
I was just not I was not
excited necessarily about it. I'm like,

474
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,559
Okay, it's a it's an audio
drama. I will listen to it.

475
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,800
But you know, certain ones like
Shipwrecked or The Hidden Hand. When

476
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,199
I heard the premise of the story, I was really excited and really looking

477
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,840
forward to hearing this. I did
not have that with this one. But

478
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,039
as I go into these, I'm
going in fresh. I try not to

479
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:12,039
have any preconceived notions and just be
objective as I'm listening to it. So

480
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000
I think I was able to do
that, and I really just I think

481
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,360
it was just the story itself just
did not appeal to me. I do

482
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:28,599
think this one is probably one that's
geared towards a younger audience. The whole

483
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:36,320
the whole story is all about growth
as as a person and going through education,

484
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,679
because I mean, when we have
this this this town of education,

485
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,800
so the entire thing is an allegory
about learning, and it's got some very

486
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,800
basic things math and history and so
those kind of things. So I think

487
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:58,760
generally most lamp ladders would appeal to
a wider demographic. This one felt very

488
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,199
much like it was aimed at at
a younger demographic. We've talked about this.

489
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,800
No, no, no, it's
not a bad thing at all,

490
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,800
and you and I both enjoy programming
that is aimed at kids. I mean,

491
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,119
we listen to a lot of stuff
that's not aimed at adults, and

492
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,800
I can still get into them.
So I really can't pinpoint exactly what it

493
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,920
is about this one that just didn't
connect with me. But yeah, yeah,

494
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,360
I as I was listening to it
again, I was really trying to

495
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,599
think, what is it and trying
to figure it out why I'm just not

496
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,480
enthused about this one. But I
just I just don't know for sure.

497
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,559
I will say, the weird thing
about this mister learning, who is this

498
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:45,199
sort of mentor for the children Mom
leaves and he's I guess I think they

499
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,199
called him their guardian. Yeah,
I think so, And so he's sort

500
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,800
of mentoring them from a distance,
though he doesn't he's not with him throughout

501
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,199
the story. He only shows up
a few times. But he's a human

502
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,840
being, right, So he's not
a creature or some weird being. He's

503
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,679
a human being. But he eats
paper and he drinks ink. It was

504
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,559
just weird. That was just strange
that the style designed for that was great.

505
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,800
Alan Hurley did such a great job
of that. Nato make him that

506
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,599
kind of slurping sounds and things like
that. Oh, it was so much

507
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:22,360
fun. But I understand, but
not everybody acts as a normal human does

508
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960
in this. Like there's some people, especially in the town, like the

509
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,000
alphabet guy, I think, and
some of them like like the whole thing

510
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:36,280
is kind of this heightened sense of
this is like an exemplification or kind of

511
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,039
a personification, I guess, is
the word of these different attributes or these

512
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:44,159
different subjects or things like that,
And like they kind of think it odd,

513
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,039
but they that might be just being
a notice kind of winking at the

514
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:50,880
audience. Scott, we know this
is odd. But I don't know if

515
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,239
that was a good thing for them
to kind of do that. I think

516
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:58,880
the music and just the narrator describing
that would have been enough, because other

517
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920
odd stuff happens which would happened in
real life. But since this is like

518
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,199
a straight allegory, I guess it's
what's called then. I don't think it

519
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,320
was deserved for them to kind of
call that out as being odd. And

520
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,360
if it was actually human being in
a real regular story, yeah, that'd

521
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,559
be really odd. But I think
it works for the style of the story,

522
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:20,199
which for this story, I I
kind of came in with kind of

523
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,400
little expectations too, Like I wasn't
super enthused it was another allegory, but

524
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,679
I was okay with it. I
mean, I was the main drawal for

525
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,079
me, I think, because I
know lamp Layer Theaters always has great quality

526
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,639
productions. I was also wanting to
hear the bookends. I was wanting to

527
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:43,400
hear the storylines what's happened with Finnie
and Jones. And I actually I made

528
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360
gifts of flak for saying this,
but I think I like this story,

529
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:52,000
this allegory better than Pilgrim's Progress and
one very big way. Okay, So

530
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:58,079
in Pilgrim's Progress, which is probably
the most popular allegory out there, and

531
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,039
it's very on the nose on the
different things like you know, the Slough

532
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:07,559
of Despair, I guess, and
like the Celestial City and things like that

533
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:12,840
that story like, it's a great
story. It has it's a very powerful

534
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
book. I'm sure John Bunyan was
led by God to write that. It's

535
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,159
been one of the most impactful books. I think, like the next to

536
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,239
the Bible. It's the best selling
book in the world's history, I believe.

537
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,719
But the thing is with the Pokerim's
Progress, it's very it doesn't really

538
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,760
follow a normal story arc, like
you're different acts structures. There's not much

539
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,239
growth for Christian after he loses his
burden at the cross. A lot of

540
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,599
it's just him making a mistake,
getting out of it, going on make

541
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,199
a mistake. It's very kind of
the same thing just on a different location.

542
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,159
But with this especially since you have
like three kind of protagonists to a

543
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,360
certain extent, even though all of
them are necessarily good at what they're doing,

544
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,320
I felt that this story was a
more comp helling even though it didn't

545
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,679
have, you know, like the
dragons and the volcanoes and the sword fights

546
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,880
and all that that we have in
Pilgrim's Progress. I felt I connected with

547
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,880
the characters, even though it was
an allegory at this level that the characters

548
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,320
I felt had different points where they
were either degrading and how they were acting,

549
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,800
or an improvement to certain extent.
I felt like at the end of

550
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,519
the story things had really progressed,
like the characters actually went through development.

551
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,400
I mean, some characters are more
or less the same throughout the whole thing.

552
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:40,840
But I felt that this story treated
regular structure for a story better than

553
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,519
Pilgrim's Progress, better than Pilgrim's Progress
was, and I think I connected to

554
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:51,599
them, even though the story wasn't
necessary for someone like me in my age

555
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,119
group, but I think that helped
this allegory be a lot more palatable to

556
00:45:55,199 --> 00:46:00,880
me because of that. Also,
combined with the great score and sound effects

557
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,400
and things like that. Yeah,
that I guess that makes sense. Although

558
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,320
to be fair, Pilgrim's Progress was
written in the sixteen hundreds, so people

559
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:17,559
weren't necessarily concerned with a three act
structure or you know, story mechanics and

560
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,880
stuff back then, so he'll they
understand that. But for someone that isn't

561
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,000
a fan of allegories, like I
remember hearing someone saying that, Oh,

562
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,719
I just don't like allegories, and
I think it's a mistake just discounting all

563
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,840
allegories, like not all of them
are going to be like Colgram's progress.

564
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,599
We have like the ventures anously episode
World of Wotonia with the Renee that kind

565
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:44,559
of parallels Creation in the Fall,
but not in a super super heavy handed

566
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,559
way. And then we have recently
this year Glenn Haskell Slipping Past the Garden

567
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,199
Gate. That one's a very like
without the kind of ending, it could

568
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:58,000
have been just a regular story,
but it treats the whole story as an

569
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:04,440
allegory to a certain thing that people
go through, and allegory I think can

570
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,760
be very helpful to a lot of
people, even though it maybe on the

571
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,320
nose for certain things. Just that
kind of personification of it I think can

572
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,719
help people see it in a different
light, kind of like how when you

573
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,719
have like a Bible story in a
new way, like passages, you see

574
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,360
those original truths, those original stories
in a different way, and it makes

575
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,079
you appreciate them and understand them a
little bit differently with that different view on

576
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:34,800
them. Yeah, yeah, that's
true. There's different types or styles of

577
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,360
allegory, so they're not You can't
just can't group them all together under this

578
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,480
one label and say that they're all
alike, because they're not. That's that

579
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:49,400
is a good point, so we
should mention real quickly the cast of our

580
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,679
main characters here. Gilbert was played
by Tao Mags, Maddie by Serena Godoy

581
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,639
I think it's how you say that, and Lubin by Gracie Shinn who you

582
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:07,880
mentioned earlier played King Jack, and
Nellie was voiced by True Gleish. Interesting

583
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,000
name. I've never heard of anybody
named True, but that's sounds like she

584
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,039
could have stepped right out of this
story. Yeah, and those last two

585
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:21,320
actresses you mentioned, they're they're both
in King Jack, playing brother and sister,

586
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,360
and I have to say that it
was really cool having Teo Mags in

587
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,559
this one. We haven't heard him
in a while. I know I thought

588
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,000
the voice sound it familiar, and
when I heard the credits, like,

589
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:36,840
wait, that's one of the British
actors they had when they recorded in London.

590
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,880
So did they fly him out to
the States to do this? I

591
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,400
know that's what I was wondering too, because he's the only one that I'm

592
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,599
aware of looking over this cast list. Unless he moved to the United States,

593
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,880
I guess it's possible maybe he was
in LA and he recorded, because

594
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,760
I don't think Melissa Disney went to
New York either, so she I would

595
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:04,039
assume she probably recorded there at Salami
Studios where where Jess does Jess Harnell,

596
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:09,679
who I think everybody knows plays Finney
and Jones. But yeah, so maybe

597
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:14,159
he was there or I don't know, maybe they remoted him in from the

598
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,840
soundhouse. No, because in the
credits that only he mentions the Lamplider Studio

599
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,280
in Mount Morris, New York and
Salami Studios in Hollywood. So yeah,

600
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,920
so maybe he was there. And
I think Nato Jacobson is really slacking this

601
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,599
time. He only plays two people
in this one, and Daniel Cross gets

602
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:40,280
to play what six people? That's
amazing. Actually he Nato did four mister

603
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,599
Learning, mister Amusement, the carriage
driver, and the workman. So okay,

604
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,679
two major roles in two smaller ones. Okay, but yeah, Daniel

605
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,119
Cross still has more characters than him
this time he did amazing and his role

606
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,280
as Hubrew's Pride, I think it's
his biggest role in this. Yes,

607
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:05,199
oh he makes the character has such
a kind of a slimy, sneaky voice,

608
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,079
that kind of this you know,
like, oh, like it's a

609
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:12,320
character that people love to hate.
M hm. He nailed it. He

610
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,320
was so good. That was the
one of the standout roles that I mentioned

611
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:22,239
earlier that we would get to.
He was phenomenal and he kind of had

612
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,039
a feel to me a little bit
like Thenardier from Le Miz, like just

613
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,480
a slimy kind of guy. Yeah, and he just he just did fantastic

614
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:38,320
with it. So you mentioned mister
Alphabet earlier. They don't actually say exactly

615
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,480
what he is or what he does, but it seems like he's like the

616
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:50,599
guard or you know, the he's
the watchman to the shop for um,

617
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:54,280
mister Reedwrite, because basically that's the
first thing most kids learn at school.

618
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,519
Sure, yeah, and pray numbers
right, and you have to pay a

619
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:06,320
toll to mister Alphabet to get into
mister Reedwrite's shop, which again everything is

620
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,880
on the nose. But one thing
that I did think was kind of clever

621
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,519
was that he's very short. Mister
Alphabet is only twenty six inches tall.

622
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:22,639
Oh okay, I did not get
that. That's clever. So we have

623
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,039
all these different locations we mentioned a
couple of earlier, but we have a

624
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:32,199
Garden of Possibility, the Hill of
Puzzle, the brook Bother, the lane

625
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,760
of trouble. The house Needful,
which is where the kids stay while they're

626
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:43,639
furnishing their cottages. That this whole
thing is about. They have to use

627
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:51,679
different materials and items to furnish these
cottages, and then they're all given a

628
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:58,119
purse of time, and the currency
in those purses is called hours and minutes.

629
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:02,800
Again, it's all very straightforward,
but there were a few little clever

630
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,440
turns of phrase around those things throughout, and it does kind of make you

631
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:15,239
think about how you're spending your time. There's a reason why I believe that

632
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,239
in English we have the same word. They're spend for time and for money.

633
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,840
They're both commodities or currencies, and
you you spend them, you use

634
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,719
them. And the difference, the
big difference, is that you can't get

635
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,159
more time. You can always get
more money, but you can't get more

636
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:37,920
time. And yeah, that was
a great scene with a procrastination that steals

637
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,679
the money and he mentioned you know
that, you know you can't ever get

638
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:45,119
it back, or something like that, and then he says, I've got

639
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,239
a fly, you know, like
time flies. Yes, yeah, I

640
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:58,000
caught that too. And so one
thing that it was kind of interesting is

641
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,960
so they all have to get wallpaper
to cover the walls of their cottages.

642
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,280
And the wallpaper from this shop,
mister Read Write. Remember this shop is

643
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:14,400
called ReadWrite, So it's all about
words and stories. But the wallpaper is

644
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:19,239
themed and they make it sound like
they're just images, but it's all everything

645
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,800
is representing something else. So there's
wallpaper that has fairies on it and stuff,

646
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,000
and then another one that has nights
on it. Well, obviously these

647
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:36,760
are representing fairy tales and stories of
conquest or quests and that kind of thing.

648
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,599
And so the thing that I mean
this is probably very obvious, but

649
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,639
you're you're covering the walls of your
cottage with books and learning and education.

650
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:51,000
And how that wallpaper sticks to the
wall is with a paste called attention,

651
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,719
and so it's again it's all an
allegory about learning, and so it does

652
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,840
make you think about what type of
content are you consuming, what are you

653
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,199
using to paper the walls of your
mind? M Yeah, it's yeah,

654
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:12,400
that's pretty powerful. Did you notice
did you notice the name of one of

655
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,519
those wallpapers? The name of one, Yeah, one of them calls it.

656
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,400
I think it's the print when the
Prince is Sir Knight of the splendid

657
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,239
way. Well, yeah, he
does reference that. Yeah, yeah,

658
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,719
However, I know kind of the
reason why they had these wallpaper like what's

659
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,440
her name, Maddie, like paper
stores with like with a lot of fairy

660
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,960
like little thin, cheap paper.
Nellie's is a lot more I guess,

661
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,840
more like the higher quality or something
like that. But later on, mister

662
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,960
Learning talks about later like about her
wallpaper, and he really goes against fiction

663
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:55,880
in quite a bit way without much
balance on that, Like we're listening to

664
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,920
a fictional story, right from a
fictional book, and they mentioned Sir Knight

665
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,320
in this splendid way. Like I
understand, you can't all read fiction and

666
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,519
even nonfiction. You gotta be careful
what you read, Like I said,

667
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:13,000
like, you know, be careful
what you paper your house with. But

668
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:16,360
I think, listen to it a
second time, I kind of caught that

669
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,679
because I know some people to have
the mindset of fiction cannot make you a

670
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,079
better person, or you should just
stick with nonfiction, which I think is

671
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,639
not correct. Like I mentioned earlier, Pilgrim's Progress, that's one of the

672
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,880
most influential books in the entire world, and that's a fictional book, and

673
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,239
it's a fiction book that has deeper
truths in it, and things like Oliver

674
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:47,239
Twist and at Christmas Carol, those
were super influential in England and our world

675
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,880
to help end child labor in a
lot of areas and to bring back the

676
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,880
celebration of Christmas, or even like
Uncle Thoma's Cabin, which you know Abraham

677
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,519
Lincoln basically told the author of that
that basically she was the one that started

678
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,199
the Civil War. Or so,
fictional books can do a lot of good

679
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,280
and bring a lot of good things. But I think that balance so that

680
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,440
wasn't brought out enough in this.
It seems like it's almost like the pop

681
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,280
calling the kettle black there, like
this is a fictional story and you're really

682
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,599
putting down fiction but not telling us. There should be a balance with that

683
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,760
with fiction and books about learning like
your textbook or like history and things like

684
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,880
that as well. Yes, I
definitely had that thought too, because he

685
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,400
does, he really rips into it
and he doesn't qualify it at all.

686
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,280
And so yeah, I did think
about that too, because that's what the

687
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:45,159
Lamplighter Publishing publishes. They're all fiction. And also in Jesus told fictional stories.

688
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:49,679
So if you gotta beef with that. You gotta you gotta go back

689
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,920
to the Bible. Yeah, I
definitely agree with that point there. It

690
00:56:53,960 --> 00:57:00,639
was a little bit strange that he
did that. Another one of the disciplines,

691
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,320
you know, we talked about,
you know, reading and words and

692
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:08,039
stuff. So another one was arithmetic. So we have a mister arithmetic and

693
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:13,840
the kids have to purchase these grates. Now, I wasn't quite clear on

694
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:19,719
what these grates were for. Obviously
they are for furnishing the cottage. But

695
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,960
what they were for, like grates
over the window, grates over the fireplace,

696
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,280
I don't, I don't. But
why they needed multiple I don't know.

697
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,880
It wasn't quite clear on what they
were used for. But they were

698
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:36,280
called some sum some grates. And
I did not pick that only I how

699
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,880
did I not pick that up?
And you can only carry one at a

700
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,000
time. And they tell you to
start with the the lightest one, which

701
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:51,760
is addition and subtraction, and then
division is the heaviest one. And so

702
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:54,159
you know, that's the way you
learn mathematics. You start with the addition,

703
00:57:54,239 --> 00:58:00,360
subtraction in multiplication and then division and
there's there's four of those rates.

704
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Yeah, I might have picked that
up when I first heard it, I

705
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,239
mean, I forgot about it,
but yeah, that's that's kind of clever.

706
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:12,039
And also one of the bad habits
of one of the main characters,

707
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,079
Gilbert or gil is that he has
the capability to learn and do these things

708
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:22,159
quite well, but he takes on
more than he should or try to skips

709
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:27,039
past certain things when he should be
focusing on the basics. So when he's

710
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,159
trying to get more than one great, more than one sum, he I

711
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:32,079
think it drops some of them in
the brick bother or something like that.

712
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,840
Yes, and it's kind of his
downfall later where basically he's working really hard,

713
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:43,719
but he's doing it for the wrong
reasons. Yep, yep. And

714
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,119
I was going to say this later
on, but one of the things that

715
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:52,119
came to mind when I was thinking
about Gilbert in particular, because he kept

716
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:54,679
trying to find shortcuts and stuff.
And so again, this whole thing is

717
00:58:54,719 --> 00:59:00,519
an allegory about the proper way to
get an education, to educate yourself to

718
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:05,000
learn things, and you have to
follow a process, and it made me

719
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:09,159
think of the recent adventures. Notice
the episode value in the process, and

720
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:13,800
it's basically the same thing. Is
you can't. You're not supposed to take

721
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:19,679
shortcuts. There's a there's a value
in learning the proper method of doing things,

722
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:23,199
and things must be done in a
certain way in order to succeed.

723
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:29,480
And I thought that was a that
was an interesting correlation there. I you

724
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,519
know, it's it's totally not an
actual connection, but I think maybe one

725
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,320
of the reasons why that popped into
my head was because of Phil Lawler being

726
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,400
involved in both of them. But
the other thing that I wanted to mention

727
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:49,400
about mister Arithmetic though, is he
runs this like this iron works facility or

728
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,800
factory, whatever you want to call
it. And the sound design inside that

729
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,760
shop was really cool. You had
all these metallic clanks and machinery going,

730
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,880
you know, and it just sounded
like this big, vast, you know,

731
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,000
huge space with all this stuff happening, and I thought Alan Hurley did

732
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:12,960
a really really good job with that
part. Yeah. Well, one sound

733
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,280
effect moment which I'm not quite sure
what to think of it, but there's

734
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:22,880
a point where I think her first
name is Admira or Admira Folly list of

735
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:29,039
Disney's character in the story, and
she's in Maddie's house and mister Larney comes

736
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:34,639
there and she's blowing bubbles, and
I know bubbles don't really make a sound

737
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,039
per se, and let's really close
to them. That was one point.

738
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:40,599
It sound like a little bit cartoony
with the way the bubbles were popping and

739
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,960
blowing. But at the same time, if you don't have that, you're

740
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,519
not gonna have any sound with it. But I think it worked in the

741
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:51,679
story because she's very over the top
list of Disney sounds like she was having

742
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
so much fun in that role.
She's it's so funny to hear, like

743
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,159
she's ridiculous the character of Folly is
and she's basically she's furnishing this room with

744
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:06,719
bubbles, but they're disappearing, but
she's getting she's so giddy about it all

745
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:08,760
and mist of learning. It's just
so frustrated about the whole thing. But

746
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,480
it's a really funny scene. And
that's one point where the sound effects for

747
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,000
that, like, I'm not quite
sure what else you would do but use

748
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:22,840
that more obvious sounds or more extreme
sounds, but I could see why it

749
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,320
was needed, but I think it
still worked. Yeah, And with this

750
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:31,400
type of story, which is not
I don't think it's intended to be taken

751
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:37,039
super seriously. There are it's you
know, it's definitely over the top,

752
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:40,800
and you know, I think it. I think it worked, But I

753
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,679
do understand what you're saying for sure, and you're absolutely right. Melissa Disney

754
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:50,760
nailed this character. That was the
other performance in this one that just stood

755
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,119
out to me. She was fantastic. And there's a scene probably in the

756
01:01:54,199 --> 01:02:01,039
last third or so, where there's
this interaction with Folly and Hubrious Pride and

757
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,400
they're just like making these plans and
cackling about their sinister plans and they were

758
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,960
they were they were playing off of
each other so well. I really was

759
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,480
curious were they recording in real time
with each other, because I knew I

760
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:22,639
knew that cheese in California, and
you know, I'm assuming Daniel Cross was

761
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,679
in New York. I think they
typically do record everybody at the same time.

762
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,480
But if they didn't, man,
they were spot on. I mean,

763
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:36,199
they sounded so good, especially in
those few scenes there where they were

764
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,760
going back and forth with each other. I think there was like three or

765
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,840
four little scenes. One moment was
quite long where they were going back and

766
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,519
forth, and um man, it
was it was just really, really great

767
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:50,559
performances from both of Yeah, it
was a joy to listen to them.

768
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:53,559
Like again, they're the villains,
but they are so and they're kind of

769
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:58,880
not quite goofy to thro extent,
like they are serious individuals to deal with,

770
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:04,000
but they're not. They're not just
the snow typical cookie cutter villain.

771
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,800
I do have to say one of
the best characters and this whole thing is

772
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:13,559
the music. The music is such
an integral part of this. Without the

773
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,159
music, I think this thing would
have fallen flat quite a bit. But

774
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,119
John Campbell, this is probably one
of my favorite scores he's done for Lamp

775
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:27,480
Lighter. There's so much whimsy and
this I think, thank you and a

776
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:31,599
lot of like trombone music to do
that kind of like kind of sound sounds

777
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:37,000
there for like certain things to like
underscore, especially like a with the narrator

778
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,000
on certain things. It was just
it was so different than most of the

779
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:43,920
scores I've heard them, at least
doing this kind of music for this long

780
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,320
period, and like he had this
some points in it or sound like regular

781
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,280
Lamp Lighter stories because of more like
the action with like the fireworks and things

782
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,800
like that. But there's so many
times where he just had these underscores of

783
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,000
these characters, like it's kind of
like, okay, it gets into the

784
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,159
story, like this is not real
life. It's kind of exaggerated as certain

785
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:06,000
extent. And the music nails that
John Campbell did a phenomenal job on this.

786
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,480
I hope they I really hope they
released the soundtrack for this one soon.

787
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,960
Yep. I would totally agree.
And the word I was thinking was

788
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:18,280
quirky, but yeah, whimsy is
great too. It was very different from

789
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,760
you know, your typical lamplighter or
any score really that we've heard him do.

790
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,079
And yeah, and this thing was
like three hours long almost, and

791
01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,960
so that's all. There's a lot
of music in there. Yeah, speaking

792
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,719
of music, Nelly at one point
has a little bird that she keeps what

793
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:44,559
they're called content, and oh my
goodness, that bird's whistle is super catchy

794
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:48,400
and well after listening to it,
it was stuck in my head and were

795
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,239
listening to that. I was whistling
some of that earlier and it's so cool,

796
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,679
like it's sprinkled throughout and it kind
of here that near the end and

797
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,239
near the middle. But if you
notice in the book end early on,

798
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,719
I think the bird that Finian has
whistles a little bit of that tune too,

799
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:12,400
absolutely, yes, And the bird
that Finian has says the same phrase

800
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:17,960
that this bird that thet not this
one, but the Cockatoo parade does.

801
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:24,280
Oh yeah, I just try to
remember its name. Fine. Yeah,

802
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,559
So yeah, they definitely tied in
the bird thing into the book end a

803
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:33,800
couple of different ways. But that
tune, it felt familiar to me,

804
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,000
but I could not place it.
I don't know, maybe it was a

805
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:41,119
completely original for this story, but
I had a feeling that I'd heard it

806
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:44,719
somewhere, but I have no idea
where. But maybe it was just because

807
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,559
it was an earworm that it just
has that feeling of being familiar very much.

808
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,880
If they released soundtrack, they need
to have a track with just that

809
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:58,039
whistling, like an extended cut of
the bird whistling. Well, and John

810
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,800
integrates that into the score a few
different places. Yes, it's awesome.

811
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:05,840
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaking of the birds, we have this

812
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:13,360
whole metaphor of the cage of complacency, and that one was really good.

813
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,960
I did like that part, and
it does tie into what's going on in

814
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:23,559
the bookend again, the whole bird
thing in the cage, but Pride says,

815
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,159
complacency allows you to enjoy the benefits
of content without any fear of loss.

816
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,320
And then he says, speaking about
the cage, see how safe,

817
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:40,199
secure and satisfying it is. And
that was just a that was a really

818
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:43,760
cool. In fact, that was
probably my favorite moment in the whole thing.

819
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,519
I did like that whole idea of
the cage of complacency and trying to

820
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:55,280
put content or contentment inside this cage
so that it doesn't get away, but

821
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,440
that just leads to complacency, and
I like that. Yeah, that was

822
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,280
a really great lesson and it's actually
we haven't talked much about some of the

823
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:09,599
other main characters, but that's the
one point really for Nellie, which I

824
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:13,280
know it's an allegory and you kind
of need that person that doesn't change that

825
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,519
much, like most characters don't change
that much, but she is almost I

826
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,480
mean, she's kind of meant to
be like the one good person basically basically

827
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:25,679
in her siblings, almost to the
point I've almost been too perfect. So

828
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:30,360
I'm really glad the part about the
bird and with content in the cage and

829
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,280
things like that, that was one
point that she failed at something it made

830
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:38,440
her feel a little more human against
an allegory. It's a little bit different,

831
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,280
but I'm glad they had that in
there. I'm sure that was probably

832
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,760
in the book. It helped make
her a little more sympathetic, like she

833
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,960
has. You know, the actress
for the character has a really cute voice,

834
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:53,119
and Nellie is lame and she can't
keep up with the other kids as

835
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:57,119
much, so you kind of sympathize
with her. But I think with a

836
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,639
lot of characters sometimes you want to
make sure they have some kind of flaw

837
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,280
or some kind of weakness, otherwise
they'll come off as being you know,

838
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:10,920
like basic superheroes almost And I'm really
glad they had that because we have so

839
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:14,920
much with like Lubin, who is
the youngest of the boys, and he's

840
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:18,239
very lazy with stuff and doesn't really
want to learn as much he has to.

841
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,880
He loses his time and you know, it takes a long time to

842
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,920
learn the alphabet and spelling. But
at the same time too, at one

843
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,199
point he does kind of not do
what some of the other older siblings are

844
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,640
doing later and stays with Nelly.
So there was a little a time or

845
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:38,640
two where he has these moments of
I don't want to say saying this,

846
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,479
but moments of times where he wasn't
doing the wrong thing, he was actually

847
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,159
doing something right at least for a
little while. Well, with Gilbert and

848
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:50,279
Maddie, most of them, they
were mostly all on the negative side of

849
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:57,439
things with just a touch of,
you know, some good attributes. So

850
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,319
I'm glad there was kind of a
spectrum on that of how they weren't all

851
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:06,359
just a one note character. Yes, yep, as you say, the

852
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:13,600
three older ones were primarily doing the
wrong things, but they each had a

853
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,000
moment or two where they actually made
a right choice. And then Nelly was

854
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:23,960
basically the reverse of that. She
primarily did everything correctly and then she had

855
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,079
a couple of moments where she stumbled. Yeah, so there was there was

856
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,359
a good balance there. Yeah,
and you're right. If this was a

857
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,520
straight, you know, your typical
normal drama, it would have been weird

858
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,800
to have a character that just did
everything correctly all the time, you know,

859
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,960
and didn't have any foibles at all. So yeah, but you're right

860
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:49,279
it worked with this one. And
speaking of Nelly, she is the youngest,

861
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:54,800
she's only eleven, but she is
the one who paid attention to what

862
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,000
her mother said, you know,
be aware of pride, and there are

863
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,079
other ones, you know, just
ignored it basically, and she sort of

864
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:08,479
becomes like the conscience for her siblings, like she's the one who's helping me

865
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,680
try to get them back on track. And at this one point she says

866
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,319
to Lubin, the regret of the
past should motivate us to do better in

867
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:21,000
the future. Tomorrow is a new
day. You can always begin again.

868
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,560
And I think that's probably my second
favorite moment in the whole audio drama,

869
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:32,439
behind the lines from Pride earlier that
I mentioned. But you know, it's

870
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,880
obvious, it makes sense when you
hear it, but sometimes it does take

871
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,000
a reminder like that for us to
sort of recalibrate our perspective and say,

872
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,399
yeah, I mean I did mess
up in the past. I have done

873
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,680
some things that I regret. Or
maybe it wasn't even all that long ago,

874
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,600
maybe it was just yesterday. But
tomorrow is a new day. It's

875
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:00,439
you know, it's time to just
change your perspective and don't let that regret

876
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:08,800
stay part of who you are.
Let it motivate you to improve and don't

877
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,159
stay in the same place. And
so I thought that was a great line

878
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,760
and just funny that it was coming
from an eleven year old girl. Well,

879
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,760
the Bible says out of the mouth
of babes, sure true, and

880
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,840
kind of a line that kind of
goes along with that. A character says

881
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,600
at one point, willingness to accept
correction is more important than a furnished house,

882
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,119
which the house being kind of like
their mind and their learning skills with

883
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:34,880
that. But if you're not going
to learn if you don't accept correction,

884
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:41,079
and in criticism too, Like I'm
the kind of person I thrive on feedback

885
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:44,319
from stuff. Even if I did
something wrong, I want to know about

886
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:46,760
the stuff I did right and why
I did it right. But if I

887
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,319
did something wrong or need to improve
on something, I want to know,

888
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:54,880
I want to improve. I don't
want to just stay in the old rut

889
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:59,119
of how things are. I want
to keep on learning and improving. Yeah.

890
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:05,079
Yeah, it's interesting that I didn't
even think about this until you just

891
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:13,000
made that comment. But this quote
totally fits in. And I just looked

892
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,399
it up really quickly because I was
familiar with it and it's it's been one

893
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,600
that I've thought about before, but
it totally lines up with this story.

894
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:26,720
It's from the Western author Louis Lamore. But he said a mind, like

895
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,840
a home, is furnished by its
owner. So if one's life is cold

896
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,720
and bare, he can blame none
but himself. You have a chance to

897
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:41,319
select from pretty elegant furnishings. Wow, maybe he read this book. Yeah,

898
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:44,439
who knows, Maybe he did,
because it fits. I mean,

899
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,479
that's right, that's basically encapsulating the
entire story here in just a couple of

900
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,239
sentences. Yeah. And also like
with humility too, because we have pride

901
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:58,880
as being basically the prince of main
antagonist to a certain extent, and accepting

902
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,000
correction and learning new things is an
act of humility. And just like learning,

903
01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:05,039
like I don't know all my letters, I don't know my numbers,

904
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:10,079
Like Lubin was not humble on that, like, oh I don't need this,

905
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,640
or I can do this myself.
Like if you have humility, you

906
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,520
will you will learn. And you
know, the Bible says, you know,

907
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,800
God resisteth the proud and giveth grace
to the humble, And we see

908
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,760
that in a very big way near
the end of the story about how humility

909
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,640
is really the key. I think
it doesn't it. I think encapsulate kind

910
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,760
of the whole the whole story to
a certain extent, because pride is the

911
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:38,960
main thing, and also folly too, and also I think maybe maybe Lady

912
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,880
Fashion. I don't know if they
had a worrying about her or not,

913
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,560
but humility is the key here.
If all of the kids humbled themselves in

914
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,319
the errors that they knew that they
needed help with, and how they weren't

915
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,319
so important that they couldn't help someone
else, it would have solved a lot

916
01:13:56,319 --> 01:14:01,159
of problems. And I've heard a
pastor quote someone else. I can't remember

917
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:06,960
exactly, but basically, I think
someone asked a pastor about what's the greatest

918
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,319
grace and he said humility, and
said, okay, what's the second greatest

919
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:14,319
grace? He said humility. And
they went down to what's the third greatest

920
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:16,039
grace? And he said humility.
If I remember the quote, write something

921
01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:21,079
like that. But humility is really
the key to how we live life,

922
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:28,119
because you know, we're nothing without
God. Well, yeah, because if

923
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:32,880
you think about it, really the
root of every sin comes down to some

924
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:39,079
form of pride. And so that's
why he's the main antagonist here in this

925
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:44,000
story, and all of the other
ones are just sort of his compatriots.

926
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,279
You know, he brings along all
this other stuff if you let him in.

927
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,880
And so you're absolutely right that humility
is the key. It's the antithesis

928
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:59,840
of pride. And so that lesson
is portrayed or displayed here very well.

929
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,960
It reminds me of another audio drama
in Pause and Tales. In one of

930
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:09,239
the Childer Valley episodes, Eva mentions, pride is just another word for sin,

931
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,079
and it really is when you come
right down to it. Yeah,

932
01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:17,159
so this is the last note that
I have, really and it's a slight

933
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,359
spoiler, but it really shouldn't be
if you think about this, because it

934
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:26,479
is a straight allegory and it is
called crown of success. Well what a

935
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,439
success I mean? And you know
you succeed in life by doing certain things.

936
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,920
Can only one person succeed? No, we all have the opportunity to

937
01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:41,600
make a success out of our life. So I knew that there was going

938
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,039
to be an opportunity for each one
of them to receive a crown, even

939
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:48,720
though they were all approaching this thing
as if it's some sort of a contest

940
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:55,520
and only one person is going to
win. And so I'm not going to

941
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,560
go too much more into it,
because it is a little bit of a

942
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,720
spoiler. But I was waiting for
that to show up because they kept it,

943
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,159
like, like I said, treating
it as a as a competition,

944
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,279
and I'm like, if that's where
this thing is going, and then I

945
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:14,119
do not agree with that. But
it did not go that way, and

946
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:16,800
so I knew that was all right. I knew that it should happen,

947
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:23,560
and it did. And of course
it's also a parallel for what we know

948
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,720
in scripture, got going to give
us a crown, you know, And

949
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,319
so there's there's also that sort of
correlation as well. I'm maybe thinking about

950
01:16:31,319 --> 01:16:35,119
it too deeply, but kind of
the chronic success and the way mister Learning

951
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:41,560
talks about how after another twelve months, another year, they'll be able to

952
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,399
show how they've done. It's almost
kind of like a report card to a

953
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,560
certain extent, like after a year
of school, you get your main grades

954
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,760
on how well you did and whether
you get like an A or B or

955
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:56,479
C or whatever like that and kind
of measure how how successful you were in

956
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:00,520
that year. Yeah. I did
pick up on that twelve month thing too,

957
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,159
and I thought, well, it's
basically just like a you know,

958
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:08,439
moving on to the next grade in
school. But I didn't. I didn't

959
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:14,239
necessarily know exactly what if there was
a one to one correlation between the crown,

960
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,119
is that like your grade, like
you did that? I mean,

961
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:23,520
that would make sense, but who
knows. You know. That's one thing

962
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,880
that is interesting about certain allegories is
that some things you can interpret different ways.

963
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:31,039
Even though a lot of this stuff
is very straightforward, some of it,

964
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:36,560
I guess you could look at different
ways. And that verse they have

965
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:42,680
at the end, I can't remember
they give scripture references for other other verses

966
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,920
in this story, because I know
they read them from Proverbs. But the

967
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,920
last verse they have about the blessed
of the man who remains steadfast under trial.

968
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,000
I look that one up and that's
actually James one twelve. For some

969
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,479
reason, I was thinking that was
like one of Paul's epistles, but I

970
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,560
guess not because I was the kind
of thing it was like that worse about

971
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,560
like running the race successful or something
like that. Yeah, I did notice

972
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,039
there was a lot of references to
to proverbs, and then yeah, there

973
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:13,520
were the reference to running the race. She mentions that I think Nelly mentioned

974
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,720
that a couple of different times.
It was one little note. I guess

975
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,880
I thought I thought I was done, but he did think of this.

976
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:26,399
It is an interesting thing that with
most of these other allikories, like Pilgrim's

977
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,680
Progress or Sir Knight, it's very
obvious that there is a at least a

978
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,039
representation of God or you know,
something like that in them. But this

979
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:40,439
one it was a while before we
get into because it almost feels like it's

980
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:45,239
a fantasy story. It's some you
know, fairytale land kind of place where

981
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:49,319
you don't know if there really is
a spiritual thing or if this is just

982
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:55,560
a morality tale. Yeah. So
it's a ways into, probably about halfway.

983
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,439
I mean we're like fifteen or fifteen
minutes or so into the second disc

984
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,199
and there's discs on this one before
God has finally mentioned, and that was

985
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:08,119
when Nelly just says a quick prayer
trying to ask for help to cross the

986
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:12,520
brook. But up until that point
it was kind of I was like wondering,

987
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:15,920
is there going to be a biblical
tie in at all? But it

988
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,079
does show up multiple times after that, Yeah, because I think like Duty

989
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:25,000
and what was the other lady's name, Duty in Affection Yeah, duty in

990
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:28,840
affection give her the book, and
they don't call it the Bible. What

991
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,800
they call it the book, which
is there are verses found in it,

992
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,640
but they don't outright say it.
I don't know. I felt as almost

993
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:40,159
kind of because again it's so late
in the process of them talking about that,

994
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:42,760
it almost felt like it was a
little bit shoehorn and to a certain

995
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,279
extent, like they had to put
it in somehow, because I think if

996
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:47,800
they wanted to do that, I
think it probably should have been put in

997
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,840
early on and they could still do
a morality thing, but really you don't

998
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,039
have you don't have the best morality
unless you have God in the picture.

999
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,479
But since they're not having it like
passages like with Unstein One or like Narnia

1000
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,319
with Asslin or something like that,
they didn't have a substitute name for God

1001
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:12,159
or something like that. In this. Yeah, they never say the name

1002
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,359
of Jesus. It's it's just God
is mentioned just a couple of different times.

1003
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:20,479
And then of course there's multiple references
to scriptures, paraphrases, and some

1004
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:25,920
direct quotations, but it doesn't happen
until we get to that about halfway point,

1005
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:29,960
when she first does that little prayer
and then after that it's it is

1006
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,800
mixed in multiple times. Yeah,
it would make I think it may have

1007
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,279
been a little bit better to have
that at the beginning. Like they are

1008
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:44,880
given this book at the very beginning, which has instructions or whatever, but

1009
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,439
they choose to ignore it or something. Yeah, well, who you know,

1010
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,520
maybe they were just trying to adapt
it the way it was in the

1011
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:57,640
book. So who knows. But
that's all that I have. I know

1012
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,159
that I said at the top,
it is not my favorite. You just

1013
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:04,600
didn't really resonate with me. But
I did try to find some moments that

1014
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,720
I liked. And again, the
production values I thought were really really good.

1015
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,359
The acting was great. We mentioned
Melissa Disney and Daniel Cross, they

1016
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:16,279
were the standouts to me. Nato
Jacobson as mister Learning and mister Amusement both

1017
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:21,920
were really really good. And also
this this little girl, Nellie by True

1018
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:28,000
Glish, she was really good.
I really liked her voice. I think

1019
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,239
the whole cast was really really great. And oh yeah, and I can't

1020
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:36,000
not mention Teo. I mean Teo
as Gilbert. He's the oldest, he's

1021
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,600
fifteen years old, but he's just
a he's a fantastic talent. Everything I've

1022
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,359
ever heard him in he just is
fantastic, So it was really cool having

1023
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,079
him in there. He compleatly the
same kind of character in Haunted Room with

1024
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:53,479
Vibert m Yeah. Yeah, I
didn't even think of that. Yeah,

1025
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,439
Gracie Shin Like she did awesome in
King Jack, Like I did not notice

1026
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,399
that Jack was played by a female. She did really great in this too.

1027
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:06,640
She is a phenomenal actress. And
Teo Magg's his voice is so iconic,

1028
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:11,039
even though I couldn't remember who the
guy's name was at the time.

1029
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,720
But yeah, they did really really
well with this and Melissa Disney. I

1030
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,680
was so happy Melissa Disney got to
be involved in this project. I really

1031
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,920
like that we're getting to hear her
in more AUDI dramas than just Odyssey.

1032
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,119
She's been in quite a few Abide
stuff and The Adventum and Jonathan Park,

1033
01:22:25,239 --> 01:22:29,479
so I'm really happy she gets to
be in more shows. Yeah, and

1034
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,479
even though it was a very small
role, a Rich Swingle as mister Alphabet

1035
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:38,279
was really really fun. Yeah.
I do have to say kind of like

1036
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:44,239
my final note for the story itself
is you think you know the ending and

1037
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:48,119
you're You're not totally wrong, but
there is some twist at the end where

1038
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:53,560
I wasn't quite expecting those things to
happen in that way. So I'm glad

1039
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:58,479
that it wasn't just a very cookie
cutter ending where you kind of say,

1040
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,520
Okay, this is probably happen,
but there's some kind of bumps along the

1041
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,840
way to get to that ending.
Well, I guess, I guess this

1042
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:10,399
is where our opinions will diverge.
You Once again, I felt like it

1043
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:15,119
was very predictable, like the whole
thing, because it felt like everything was

1044
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,960
so on the nose, like I
knew, you kind of know how it's

1045
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:24,680
going to play out. That's another
thing, another reason why I felt like

1046
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,119
it was very much geared towards a
younger audience. But and I could say

1047
01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:30,800
more, but I don't want to
spoil anything, but I think this the

1048
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,039
ending was a little bit different than
I expected. It wasn't as cut and

1049
01:23:34,119 --> 01:23:39,199
dry as I expected it to be. But yeah, overall this, I

1050
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:42,800
had a lot of fun with this, and I quite enjoyed it. I

1051
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,079
didn't have super high expectations with this, so I guess that's one thing about

1052
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:51,439
qube expectations Alow. It reminds me
of Rachel Lynn from Anna Green Gables.

1053
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:57,319
Bus are of those who expect nothing
for they will not be disappointed, which

1054
01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:00,760
I've learned in recent years, specially
when it comes to another audio drama,

1055
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,079
to keep my expectations low on stuff. Because you have super high expectation,

1056
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:08,920
sometimes they don't always get met and
it can be really disappointed. So I

1057
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,800
try to tamper my expectations on stuff
a little more now days, which I

1058
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,640
guess that's a good lesson to learn. But I was pleasantly surprised at how

1059
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,560
good this was, and I know
I need to go and listen to a

1060
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,399
second time. I talk about listen
to something at least twice get a better

1061
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,000
opinion of it. After this,
I need to go listen to Snite the

1062
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:30,960
Splendid Way, because I did not
really enjoy it that much, even though

1063
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,359
there's a lot of hype around it. I know, JD you love that

1064
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,800
story, it didn't really That one
really didn't grab me that much. I

1065
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,600
like the Giant Killer quite a bit, but like that one was kind of

1066
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,760
a mix of two stories he had, like the real life story and the

1067
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,039
allegor with the Giant Killer, but
again that allegor was also kind of a

1068
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,079
one note kind of thing, where
it was very much like Polgrim's Progress in

1069
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:55,840
that respect, which I think this
one was a little more inventive and unique

1070
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,800
to a certain extent, even though
it didn't have all the action and adventure,

1071
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:01,760
more of like a it's more close, like more of a slice of

1072
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:06,079
life allegory than like a big epic
fantasy kind of allegory that some people might

1073
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,760
be thinking it's going to be.
But I really enjoyed it, and the

1074
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,479
bookends were I can't say at this
point right now, but they were very

1075
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:23,880
epic and super surprising. But overall, I think this is a great production,

1076
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:28,800
and it's not one I'll probably come
back to real often, but I

1077
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,439
think for what it was, what
the story's limitations were, I think it

1078
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:38,399
was a great, great audi drawn
production and production, acting music, and

1079
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,800
making the story as good as it
could be with all those elements. And

1080
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,239
I will say that I'm I seem
to be in the minority on this because

1081
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:51,600
I was looking through the reviews on
the lamp Eider website and they were all

1082
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:58,680
overwhelmingly positive, and I saw several
of them that mentioned their kids or grandkids

1083
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,640
that just absolutely loved it. So, oh wow, that's interesting. You

1084
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,359
know, maybe I'm entirely alone on
this one, but as always, links

1085
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:11,680
are in the show notes if you
want to get your copy, and I

1086
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,439
would say that if you do have
younger kids, then they will probably like

1087
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:20,199
this one and there are some valuable
lessons in it. But if you're an

1088
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:27,079
adult listener who likes to get these
just for your own enjoyment, this one

1089
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:33,680
might not might not meet your discriminating
ear so, who knows. Your mileage

1090
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,359
may vary, but if you're invested
in the Fine and Gene storyline, it's

1091
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:44,199
must have. I mean, that's
that's kind of true. Well, thank

1092
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:46,880
you again for joining me, Austin. It's always fun to talk audio drama

1093
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:50,800
with you, and we'll have to
do it again in an episode in the

1094
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,520
future. Well, thanks for having
me, Ja, This is a lot

1095
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,479
of fun. Usually we're very similar
in opinions and a lot of stuff,

1096
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,880
and it's interesting when we diverge on
that and whether we have different opinions with

1097
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,199
the same opinions. It's always a
joy to talk to you about audio drama.

1098
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:10,680
I think it makes for a good
discussion. Yep, thank you so

1099
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:17,840
much, so what do you think
of the show? Please leave your message

1100
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,399
after the zone. Hi, Audio
Theater Central. Hey guys, this is

1101
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:27,880
awesome. How about jd Roy Andrew
Minamit Victoria? Now? Yesterday I received

1102
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,079
a letter from a big band.
No time to tra I've got an email

1103
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:33,279
this, I've got a package for
me today. No, it's actually just

1104
01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:39,960
your mail. Yes, sir,
rid is that time to hear what you

1105
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,800
have to say? If you would
like to get in touch with us,

1106
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:45,680
you can always send an email to
Feedback at Audio theater Central dot com,

1107
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,079
comment on the show notes, or
send a text to six two three six

1108
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:56,680
eight eight two seven seven zero.
You can also call and leave a voicemail

1109
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:00,000
at that number as well. And
speaking of voicemail, we have one here

1110
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:05,199
from Christopher Green and he's going to
share some thoughts regarding the monologue segment from

1111
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:14,359
last episode number one seventy eight where
I talked about audio dramas inciting specific memories

1112
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:19,680
in our minds. Okay, so
I just listen to your monologue segment jd

1113
01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:28,319
on ATC about audio drama and memories
and all of that kind of thing.

1114
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,800
First of all, I want to
just say I think that the monologue segment

1115
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,399
is quickly becoming my favorite part of
ATAC. I love hearing your thoughts,

1116
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:42,239
your thoughts about audio drama and this
whole creative world and realm of things.

1117
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,199
But I wanted to share a memory. I remember actually the first time I

1118
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:48,960
ever listened to Adventures and Odyssey.
We were in the car, and I

1119
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:55,119
believe that the episode I'm blanking on
the name right now, but I believe

1120
01:28:55,159 --> 01:29:00,279
that the episode was the one where
Aubrey goes into the Imagination Station or the

1121
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:06,720
Room of Consequence and there's like a
virus pattern after Regis Black heard in the

1122
01:29:08,359 --> 01:29:10,760
thing. I didn't know that at
the time. I didn't know who Regis

1123
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,680
was, I didn't know who Aubrey
wasn't know any of those things. I

1124
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,199
had only ever seen the animated cartoons
of Ventures Odyssey up to that point,

1125
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,880
and I was hearing a very staticky
radio and I'm like, okay, what's

1126
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,800
going on? It was the Adventures
was something, and so from that point

1127
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:30,039
that's how I knew there was an
audio drama of Adventures in Hodyssey. And

1128
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,960
really, this is the first audio
drama that I had ever heard, and

1129
01:29:33,279 --> 01:29:36,520
I distinctly remember that driving down the
road. I remember where I was.

1130
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:42,720
I remember what road, what corner, and I remember hearing that and wanting

1131
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,359
to find out more about that.
And it wasn't long until after that until

1132
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:56,760
our parents cause for Christmas a collection
of classic Odyssey episodes packaged together, and

1133
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,119
that some early episodes that were able
to lessen through, and then the rest

1134
01:30:00,319 --> 01:30:06,119
is history that led us from there
to listen to so many different audio dramas

1135
01:30:06,319 --> 01:30:14,520
and eventually produce some of my own. So yeah, really cool to reminisce

1136
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,720
about that. I have to say, Yeah, audio drama is awesome as

1137
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:23,319
the storytelling medium that people underestimate individual
world. I think the fact that doesn't

1138
01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:28,079
have visuals is such the strength because
we're bombarded with so much visual media these

1139
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,600
days and honestly can give you a
headache. Aft well. I appreciate visual

1140
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:40,720
media. I work on editing visual
media daily, but I think that because

1141
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,560
of that, it's nice to have
a break sometimes and just listen to something

1142
01:30:45,079 --> 01:30:48,840
so great thoughts, JD. Please
keep up this awesome monologue segment. I

1143
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,399
think it's my favorite. Oh thank
you so much for sharing that. Christopher

1144
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:59,239
really really appreciate that, and I'm
glad you're enjoying that segment. And by

1145
01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:02,479
the way, the AIO episode that
you mentioned there is called Blackhard's Revenge.

1146
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:08,560
It's a It's a great episode in
my opinion, I really really liked it.

1147
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,239
I know some people were not too
crazy about it, but it's definitely

1148
01:31:12,279 --> 01:31:15,439
an interesting one and what an entry
into the show. My goodness, I

1149
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:20,520
can't even imagine what that was like
to hear that as your first AIO episode

1150
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:26,720
and not really having the full context
of what's happening there, But my goodness,

1151
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,840
that's that's funny. And you know, I did kind of talk about

1152
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:35,439
that last time, the thoughts on
audio media and why I love it so

1153
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,880
much, and so thank you again
for sharing your thoughts. I did also

1154
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,439
have a couple other people who shared
some of their memories that specific audio dramas

1155
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:49,279
bring to their mind, and so
I appreciate everybody who reached out. And

1156
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,920
if you didn't send yours in and
you want to feel free, please,

1157
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:59,000
I would love to. I would
love to hear that. Next up is

1158
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:04,520
a comment from Sarah L on the
last episode talking about the theories on the

1159
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:10,920
upcoming Adventures in Odyssey album number seventy
five, which is titled The Best Is

1160
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,079
Yet to Come and Sarah said,
when I read the synopsis and saw the

1161
01:32:15,119 --> 01:32:18,960
album art on the club, my
first thought was, is this the last

1162
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:24,399
Aio album? What are your thoughts
on that? Also? Do you think

1163
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:27,800
it is going to tie into novocom
We had the return of the Chairman in

1164
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,920
an album seventy three and the synopsis
for the four Partner mentions research of Eugene's

1165
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:41,199
Great questions. And first of all, you're not the first person or you're

1166
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,840
not the only person I should say, which had the thought that it was

1167
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,039
going to be the last album.
I never got that idea. I didn't.

1168
01:32:48,399 --> 01:32:51,960
I didn't think that was likely at
all, But I saw in some

1169
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,119
of the fan communities several people had
that same thought, so I thought that

1170
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:00,279
was interesting. But my response to
Sarah, I don't think the show is

1171
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,920
ending for several reasons. First of
all, I don't think they would title

1172
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,479
the last album of the series the
Best is Yet to Come. That just

1173
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,800
seems like it would be a little
bit cruel to me, saying the best

1174
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:17,039
is yet to come yet it's the
end now that I don't. I don't

1175
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:21,640
see that. Also, a focus
on the family has spent an enormous amount

1176
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:29,119
of time and money rebuilding the EIO
Club from scratch and an entirely new website

1177
01:33:29,159 --> 01:33:32,479
platform. Yes, it has had
its quirks and kinks, and right I

1178
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,399
know that they are working to get
all those ironed out, so it hasn't

1179
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:40,800
been without its pain points. But
they did, you know, rebuild the

1180
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,199
whole experience from the bottom up,
and I don't think they would have done

1181
01:33:45,239 --> 01:33:49,880
all of that work if they were
getting ready to end the show. Yes,

1182
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:57,920
I think the club could still exist
without having new episodes coming. I

1183
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,600
mean because people would be still paid
for access to the back catalog of episodes.

1184
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,840
So if they did that, they
would I would. I would think

1185
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:13,479
they would need to maybe lower the
membership fee somewhat if you're not getting any

1186
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:19,039
new content, but I think that
is very unlikely based on all of the

1187
01:34:19,079 --> 01:34:26,960
effort that went into rebuilding it.
Also, Thirdly, the team has repeatedly

1188
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,560
mentioned how close they are getting to
one thousand episodes, and it seems like

1189
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,319
that that has sort of become a
goal of theirs to hit that one thousand

1190
01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:43,079
episode mark, and I think they're
all really excited about getting to that point.

1191
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:47,319
Now, will it end then,
I don't know. I don't think

1192
01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:53,720
so, But you know, I
guess anything is possible where we're getting very

1193
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,560
close to it, but so I
don't think this is the last album for

1194
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,399
that reason. And then lastly,
if they were going to end the show,

1195
01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:04,720
I think they would have at least
let club members know ahead of time.

1196
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,560
I can't see them just stopping the
show without letting the fans know that

1197
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:14,880
this will be the last. Now. The fifth reason, which I hadn't

1198
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:21,520
commented because I found out after,
is that Phil Lawler did respond directly to

1199
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:28,920
some people who were questioning of this
very thing, and he assured them that

1200
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,560
no, this is not the last
album. Now. As for the novocom

1201
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:40,199
and the Chairman tie ends, I
do think that is a possibility based on,

1202
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,840
as you mentioned, the synopsis that
they shared. Man, Now,

1203
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,000
that's an interesting idea. I think
it might make sense to do that.

1204
01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:55,560
It sounds like this does involve some
sort of global plot, and so that

1205
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:00,319
would be a good chance for them
to wrap up that arc and address the

1206
01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:05,039
Eugene issue at the same time.
So I think that's a great theory.

1207
01:36:05,159 --> 01:36:08,399
Who knows, we shall see.
If you have thoughts on it, be

1208
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:14,000
sure to let us know what you
think about these ideas. Our last bit

1209
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,520
of feedback comes from Easy, and
he's also responding to episode one seventy eight.

1210
01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:21,600
He sent this text saying, Hi, Jad, fantastic podcast this month,

1211
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,960
and I'm very excited to listen to
the most important passover, which I

1212
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,720
will do this weekend. Thanks for
the feedback there on the episode, Easy,

1213
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,560
and I hope you enjoyed the most
important passover I think it is.

1214
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:39,920
I really thought the team did an
amazing work on that and I enjoyed being

1215
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:44,760
a part of it. But he
followed up that text with this voice message,

1216
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,520
Hello Jadi. Following up, I
was talking to our very good mutual

1217
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:59,319
friend Rose Beastly over at and we
were discussing the monetization of audiograma that you

1218
01:36:59,359 --> 01:37:02,039
and I have been telling up for
a while. And you made the statement

1219
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:08,239
at the end of the podcast this
month about supporting the creators and the content

1220
01:37:08,319 --> 01:37:11,319
that you like. Well, it
goes back to the question, and we

1221
01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:13,560
were just having a subsciation today,
so I wanted to throw it back out

1222
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,560
at you. How do you know
what content is out there? Because we

1223
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,920
don't live in the nineteen nineties anymore. In radio was the way that Odyssey

1224
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:28,479
got to the masses, So to
sort of rephrase his question. Basically,

1225
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,319
how do we know what's out there? These days? Radio is not a

1226
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:34,640
major factor, which I talked about
a little bit in the monologue segment in

1227
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:39,840
this episode. It isn't that much
of a factor. You know, in

1228
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:44,199
those early days, that was where
you went, that was where you would

1229
01:37:44,279 --> 01:37:48,319
hear down Gillian Lane and Adventures in
Odyssey, and that's where the new episodes

1230
01:37:48,399 --> 01:37:54,880
would be heard. And things are
much different these days. So my answer

1231
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:02,119
easy is three words Audio Theater Central. Yes, I know that is a

1232
01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:08,920
little bit self serving, but that
is exactly what the goal is of this

1233
01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:15,039
show and our website is to help
get the word out about new shows that

1234
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:19,800
we think are worth your time,
that are of good quality and are clean

1235
01:38:20,319 --> 01:38:28,680
and a great entertainment for families.
Yes, there's also the element of encouraging

1236
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,720
producers who are getting into the space, and I've done a lot of connecting

1237
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:38,600
people over the years, and I
love doing that as well. But the

1238
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:45,079
main goal is to connect with the
fans and introduce them to new shows and

1239
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:50,039
have conversations about the shows that we
all enjoy. So, yes, I

1240
01:38:50,399 --> 01:38:55,279
understand that my answer here is a
little bit self serving, but that's the

1241
01:38:55,319 --> 01:39:00,600
whole goal behind this decade plus endeavor
here. Yes, you can dig around

1242
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,399
on podcast apps and search around trying
to find things. You could go Google

1243
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:12,039
around looking for audio dramas. You
can check out dramafy, and those are

1244
01:39:12,079 --> 01:39:16,239
all ways where you can find new
shows. But in all those methods,

1245
01:39:16,279 --> 01:39:24,239
you don't really know what you're getting
into quality wise or content wise every single

1246
01:39:24,279 --> 01:39:31,640
time. So aside from ATC,
I don't. I don't know how else

1247
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:36,319
you would know. There is a
ton of content out there, and sifting

1248
01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:41,399
through it and finding out what's worth
your time is difficult, and so that's

1249
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:45,800
why I'm here, and that's why
I have a team of people who are

1250
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:50,159
working with me to help bring you
this content in the show every month and

1251
01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:57,680
on the blog as well. So
I don't know how satisfying that answer is

1252
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:02,199
to your question, but that that's
kind of the only answer that I can

1253
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:10,000
think of. It is tough,
but that's what I'm here for. And

1254
01:40:10,039 --> 01:40:15,760
so that's also why if you ever
find a show that you think is worth

1255
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:19,000
listening to, let us know about
it so we can check it out,

1256
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:25,439
and if we deem it worthwhile,
we'll put it out to this community.

1257
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:30,079
Because we're all fans of this medium, right. We love audio drama,

1258
01:40:30,279 --> 01:40:33,399
we like talking about it, We
like theorizing about upcoming releases of Adventures Odyssey

1259
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,800
and all that stuff, and so
this is a place where we can do

1260
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:45,119
that and help get these shows out
to a wider audience. Well, don't

1261
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:48,800
forget. After the credits, Austin's
gonna hop back on and we're going to

1262
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:55,359
talk about the Lamplighter Theater bookend story
arc, So stick around for that if

1263
01:40:55,479 --> 01:41:01,880
you don't mind a spoiler filled chat
about what's been happening in those shows.

1264
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:06,880
The song at the top of the
review segment was Welcome Home by Sean Groves

1265
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:14,199
from his two thousand and one release
called Invitation to Eavesdrop. Be sure to

1266
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:17,399
join the ATC Insiders, which is
our mailing list where I will email you

1267
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:24,119
periodically about what's going on in the
space, usually time sensitive things that it

1268
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:28,720
makes more sense to get out to
you right away than to wait for the

1269
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,279
next episode, that kind of stuff. Of course, you can always get

1270
01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:36,119
in touch with us at Audio Theater
Central dot com, slash contact. All

1271
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:41,760
the different ways are available there,
and our show notes for this episode,

1272
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,399
which links to everything we talked about, is at audio theater Central dot com

1273
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:50,720
Slash one seventy nine. Thank you
again to Austin for joining me for this

1274
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:56,199
review and I'll see you next time. Thank you so much for listening.

1275
01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:09,479
Audio Theater Central is a production of
Porch Light Family Media. Our theme music

1276
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,960
was composed by Sam Avandanio. The
show is produced and edited by yours truly,

1277
01:42:14,119 --> 01:42:21,159
JD. Sutter and our website he's
audio theater central dot com. Let's

1278
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:24,720
talk about the book ins Austin.
Let's talk about that. What do you

1279
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,640
what do you think? So let's
as I mentioned in the in the main

1280
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:34,279
review earlier, the last several of
these have been written by Mark Hamby.

1281
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:40,079
And so you know, we talked
about a while back there was this whole

1282
01:42:40,079 --> 01:42:45,840
thing where they were planning to do
an entire story about Finney and Jones and

1283
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:50,560
about his life. That never materialized
and we have never heard anything else about

1284
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:56,319
it. I thought I remembered them
saying that Paul McCusker was going to be

1285
01:42:56,319 --> 01:43:00,279
involved in the writing of that one, and since he's never written any thing

1286
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,760
since, we heard about him getting
involved and then he never wrote anything,

1287
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:09,560
and I thought maybe he was going
to be writing that one. I thought

1288
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,199
I'd heard that somewhere I couldn't.
We were talking about that a while back,

1289
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:15,479
and I tried to go back and
find that where i'd heard it,

1290
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,840
but I couldn't, So maybe I
misremembered something. But I was wondering if

1291
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,720
since they didn't end up going that
route and Paul didn't write that, maybe

1292
01:43:24,119 --> 01:43:27,920
Mark has decided to take those different
elements that they were going to focus on

1293
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,560
in this story and just start sprinkling
him throughout the bookends. I don't know.

1294
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:35,079
That's that's the theory that I have, though, Yeah, I think

1295
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,000
I think it is kind of a
mistake to a certain extent, unless it's

1296
01:43:40,079 --> 01:43:44,880
leading up to a really big just
all Finney and Jones drama, which we

1297
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,159
almost kind of got that with Candle
in the Window, But with this,

1298
01:43:48,319 --> 01:43:55,079
it's very difficult to I know some
people may have issues with I understand people's

1299
01:43:55,119 --> 01:44:00,840
point about this about because, like
the lamp Bladder theater dramas aren't numbered before,

1300
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,439
you could basically listen to anyone in
any order. With this, if

1301
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:08,119
you don't listen to an order,
you're gonna be kind of lost on what's

1302
01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:11,640
happening. And it's kind of blessing
on a curse. We're getting to know

1303
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:15,800
more about Finnian and things are progressing, but at the same time, for

1304
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,920
the casual listener, it can be
kind of difficult to listen to stuff.

1305
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:24,600
Now it's also difficult just waiting for
it. It's like it's like even worse

1306
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:29,560
than waiting for the Idel saga for
the different Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1307
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,079
it is. I mean, because
it's been years and years. So if

1308
01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:35,600
you really think about it, it
started way back in the early I think

1309
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:41,159
it was maybe even in season one
where we have that reference to a brother

1310
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,439
and then that there was these little
little nuggets that have been dripped out throughout

1311
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,319
that kind of stuff is okay.
Here's the other thing too, though,

1312
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:56,039
And unless I'm totally misremembering, the
bookends in the early days were not nearly

1313
01:44:56,079 --> 01:45:00,399
as long as they are now.
That's true, and so they have become

1314
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,199
more a part of each release,
and so that's what makes it really that's

1315
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:11,479
what makes it really difficult for the
people that may not be interested in a

1316
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:16,000
particular main story and so they decided
to skip it because you know, it

1317
01:45:16,079 --> 01:45:18,960
is an investment to get these you
know, thirty thirty five dollars a piece.

1318
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:23,920
It's it's not chump change, you
know, so it can be like,

1319
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:28,319
for I know one person that like, that's fairly new to lamp Lighter

1320
01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:31,199
Theater. He wanted to get kind
of success because Phillaller was involved in it,

1321
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,520
but he hadn't heard some of the
earlier lamp Layer Theater. So I

1322
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:39,079
gave him time stamps where to listen
to so he didn't hear the book ends

1323
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:44,000
without hearing the previous stuff, and
like, yeah, you can do that,

1324
01:45:44,079 --> 01:45:45,680
but it's kind of a pain to
do that, oh for sure.

1325
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,800
Yeah. We were talking about this
not long ago in the Audio Drama Alliance

1326
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:55,159
group and one of the members there, Bethany, she brought it up and

1327
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,640
I hadn't. I mean I thought
about it a little bit, but when

1328
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,439
she brought it up, I'm like, oh, you know what, you're

1329
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,640
right, I mean, well,
this is what I said in the group.

1330
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,880
On one hand, it is cool
to have that mystery and that element

1331
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:12,680
of you know, wondering what's going
on with Finnian, but it can detract

1332
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,920
from the overall experience because of what
you pointed out, where it's really difficult

1333
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:21,119
to not be spoiled, if you
know, if you want to skip a

1334
01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:27,359
certain release or or even just because
they are so far in between each release.

1335
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,520
And then we had a couple of
releases that, even though they were

1336
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,760
full dramas, they didn't have any
book ins because they were done by the

1337
01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:40,560
lamp Lader students, which I mean
that was their reasoning for it, Okay,

1338
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,239
I didn't necessarily understand why. I
mean, if they're still part of

1339
01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:48,119
the series, why not have bookings
on them anyway? But they didn't do

1340
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:53,359
that, So yeah, it is
it is a little bit strange that they

1341
01:46:53,359 --> 01:46:56,880
are integrating them so much. I
mean, they've become such a big part

1342
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:01,199
of each release, and it's like
there's never going to It's like there's not

1343
01:47:01,239 --> 01:47:05,560
a resolution. There's constantly like little
things. And then I guess that brings

1344
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:12,720
us to this current one, which
really got kicked off when when Finnian gets

1345
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,079
his grandson Judah. I don't remember
which one that was in, do you

1346
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:19,399
remember. I think the whole ongoing
store line from now actually began at the

1347
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,640
end of Escape from the Eagles Snatch
be could get that phone called his daughter,

1348
01:47:24,199 --> 01:47:28,279
and then from there each one has
been building on the last one quite

1349
01:47:28,279 --> 01:47:31,560
a bit. I mean, Mike
Goldenship was very small like Juda was in

1350
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,279
that very briefly, but that's one
that you could probably hear most of any

1351
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:39,960
time. Quicksand was very very important, and then the ones following that,

1352
01:47:40,399 --> 01:47:44,920
minus the off brand whatever, lamp
player, theater dramas like Dashed Pieces and

1353
01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:48,960
The Unlucky Wise Man. But I
think part of this might be the marketing

1354
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:53,880
for it, Like it's kind of
it makes each drama kind of must have

1355
01:47:54,399 --> 01:47:58,319
to a certain extent, like you
can't miss it or some stuff like with

1356
01:47:58,359 --> 01:48:01,239
this one, you're you're a big
auto drum a nerd like me, and

1357
01:48:01,279 --> 01:48:06,039
we're gonna listen to it regardless.
But for someone that may not be be

1358
01:48:06,119 --> 01:48:11,640
someone as invested in autodruma like this, having that if they're really attached,

1359
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,079
like character Finnian, they want to
know what happens. So even if the

1360
01:48:14,119 --> 01:48:17,279
story, artwork, the summer whatever
doesn't compel them that much, they should

1361
01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:21,520
still get it to get that storyline. So maybe a marketing thing, yeah,

1362
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:26,239
I mean, you could be correct. Maybe it is an intentional thing.

1363
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:30,239
If it is, I don't think
it's necessarily the best way to handle

1364
01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:34,079
it, because I mean it's kind
of twisting people's arm to make them buy

1365
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:39,600
them. I did kind of think
it was interesting that. I think it

1366
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:45,880
was in the ending book end on
King Jack where Finnian has his joke about

1367
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,520
being all ears and he says,
well, no, not really, because

1368
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:54,720
then I would be an elephant.
And then in the book end on this

1369
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:59,920
one Crown of Success, then Judah
makes the comment about being all ears,

1370
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,840
and then Finneyan tries to make the
joke and then Judah finishes it for him

1371
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:09,760
and says he needs to get new
lines or new jokes or something like that.

1372
01:49:09,279 --> 01:49:12,920
That was really great that, like, yeah, he's gotten used some

1373
01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,079
quite a bit, and it's he's
almost like a almost like an even match

1374
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:19,960
for his grandfather in wits now almost. Yeah. But see that's a tie

1375
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,039
in that you don't necessarily have to
have heard either one to still have a

1376
01:49:25,159 --> 01:49:28,720
laugh or a chuckle about the joke, but he makes there and so those

1377
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:31,319
kind of things I like. But
yeah, so this this whole thing,

1378
01:49:31,359 --> 01:49:34,000
I mean, this one, You're
right, this one is epic. It

1379
01:49:34,039 --> 01:49:39,760
takes things up to a whole different
level, brings up to eleven. Yeah.

1380
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:43,720
Yeah, So here's the thing.
In the opening book end, this

1381
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,279
parcel delivery man delivers two packages and
he's like, whoa, I was only

1382
01:49:46,279 --> 01:49:51,239
expecting one because he gets this weird
phone call from somebody that he just calls

1383
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:57,319
WUG. Daniel Cross voiced him also, by the way, fantastic job,

1384
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:03,680
and he's like like some sort of
agent thing or something's going on where he's

1385
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:11,119
like Vinnian's boss or something, and
it's like what is the exploratorium and then

1386
01:50:11,159 --> 01:50:15,640
whole shop just affront and you're like
going in this town? Who they say

1387
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:25,840
they are? Jillian? Yeah?
Yeah. So here's my theory is that

1388
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:30,439
the second package that was delivered was
the bomb that explodes in the second or

1389
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:34,319
the ending booking. Does he not
open it? I can't remember no,

1390
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:38,199
because he's like he gets because he
knew the pe package was coming, and

1391
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:42,840
they had the book that WG had
told them to get, and so they

1392
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,439
immediately go off to go read it, and it's like they don't really he

1393
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:50,039
doesn't really mention anything else about the
second package, and so that's what my

1394
01:50:50,119 --> 01:50:57,520
theory is that the bad guys who
are after this thing that he also mentions

1395
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:01,039
in King Jack that he's like,
I've got we don't know what it is.

1396
01:51:01,079 --> 01:51:06,680
I'm assuming some sort of artifact or
something that this group is after and

1397
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:13,319
he's been protecting it or guarding it
there at his shop. Well, that

1398
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,319
crew that comes in later in the
last book and they start looking for something

1399
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:21,720
for whatever the item is before they
look for him. To me, it's

1400
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:26,319
he had it, like he had
it on its way. Maybe me whatever

1401
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,600
was in that package was what he's
protecting or whatever. No, because when

1402
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,560
he's talking to WG he he says, he tells him I have it.

1403
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:39,520
I have it here, okay,
okay, because he asks him where or

1404
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,359
where I think he asks him where
is it? Maybe not in those exact

1405
01:51:43,399 --> 01:51:45,720
words, but and Finnian tells him
I have it. I mean that's the

1406
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,239
package because he was links was he
he wasn't expecting the book though, right?

1407
01:51:50,119 --> 01:51:53,960
No? Or was he? No? The phone call was before the

1408
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:58,600
packagees showed up. So he they're
talking about this thing that he referenced in

1409
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:02,199
the book, ind and King Jack
that he's been he because he get that

1410
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:08,399
cryptic message and they're saying you have
twenty four hours or whatever it was,

1411
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,439
and he said, I wonder if
they know that I have it, you

1412
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,199
know, like, and he doesn't
say what it is, and then so

1413
01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:20,159
I'm assuming I think it's a safe
conclusion to draw that whatever he was talking

1414
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:25,359
about there is the same thing that
WG is asking him about, and he

1415
01:52:25,399 --> 01:52:29,239
tells him, yes, I have
it. So except they go quite a

1416
01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:31,640
way unless they bring the other package
with them. It sounds like the explosion

1417
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,880
is right in the tower room that
they are in and not where they left

1418
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:39,560
the other package. I think I'm
not sure. I'd have to really listen

1419
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,680
to it again. Yeah, but
maybe maybe he brought it with him or

1420
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,680
something. I don't know, and
maybe I was just completely wrong. You

1421
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,680
know, you're right though, that
the explosion did sound very near to where

1422
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:51,600
they were, so yeah, and
you're right they did go up a tower,

1423
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:55,720
so who knows. But but I
mean, an explosion could be really

1424
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,199
loud, even if you're a little
ways away up in the air. Yeah.

1425
01:52:59,239 --> 01:53:01,159
And we also to get him kind
of condensing a lot of his life

1426
01:53:01,159 --> 01:53:05,279
story to Judah said eleven years ago, he made a difficult decision to protect

1427
01:53:05,319 --> 01:53:10,920
his wife or protect millions of other
people, and I believe he lost his

1428
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:15,840
wife April in an explosion. Lexi
and Judah's father, Jacob wouldn't talk to

1429
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:23,119
him until recently, at least,
I think Lexi does, and he's told,

1430
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:26,239
Like with that phone call, he's
told not to tell Judah about it.

1431
01:53:26,279 --> 01:53:29,279
We think he wants to tell him
about it, because he about about

1432
01:53:29,319 --> 01:53:30,199
tells him about it, and the
phone call happens, Like, are they

1433
01:53:30,199 --> 01:53:34,920
you've dropping on his conversation? Yeah, the shop's obviously bugged. They're listening

1434
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:42,079
in. And he since he says
a specific date, April seventeenth, eleven

1435
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:45,920
years ago, So I mean,
there's gonna be a reason why he says

1436
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,840
a specific date. So I'm sure
that's going to play a part in it.

1437
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:56,319
I was trying to figure out if
there is an actual reason story wise

1438
01:53:56,399 --> 01:53:59,399
that he would say that date,
or if that has something to do with

1439
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:06,119
when Lamplighter Theater first launched, because
it was longer. No, yeah,

1440
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:09,079
they've been going for longer than that, so it would have been more than

1441
01:54:09,079 --> 01:54:12,039
around two thousand and eight or nine, because it's around the time the Odyssey

1442
01:54:12,039 --> 01:54:15,039
would own Hiatus. I think it
was two thousand and nine. It was

1443
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:20,319
right before we started ATC, which
was in two thousand and ten. So

1444
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:26,119
yeah, but there's there's gotta be
a reason why he says a specific date.

1445
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:30,880
Yeah, I'm sure party's telling him. Yeah, And then he tells

1446
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:34,199
Judah that he's a target of a
kidnapping attempt, and he doesn't really he

1447
01:54:34,319 --> 01:54:38,439
just makes a joke about it.
It's like they're both joking about it for

1448
01:54:38,479 --> 01:54:42,119
a while before they get serious.
It's like he he is so much like

1449
01:54:42,119 --> 01:54:46,039
his grandphold now right, like,
oh, I was kidnapping. You know

1450
01:54:46,079 --> 01:54:51,319
there's always kidnapping. What about teen
napping or adult napping? Right? Yeah,

1451
01:54:51,359 --> 01:54:57,800
And he doesn't he doesn't say exactly
what happened to her in the first

1452
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,880
bookend his his wife. But then
in the end he says something about an

1453
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:04,720
explosion, and Judah asks for clarification, and then he says, well,

1454
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:13,000
let's just say and then he rephrases
it like so it was he meaning a

1455
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:17,680
literal explosion? I don't know if
so. That's crazy that right after he

1456
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,680
says that he has an explosion at
the key word praise for that bomb,

1457
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:29,319
someone to say explosion. Yeah,
but I'm wondering here he talks about,

1458
01:55:30,319 --> 01:55:33,119
didn't need to mention them out.
Something from the Middle East archaeology or something

1459
01:55:33,159 --> 01:55:38,720
like that. Yeah, something he
found in the Negaev Desert, remember Titus

1460
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:43,840
the Comraade of the Cross JRD,
Like John Rays Davies comes in and they

1461
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,079
were on archaeology together. I think
I wonder how I wonder has a tie

1462
01:55:47,079 --> 01:55:51,960
into that Daddy is a good one. Yeah. I didn't even think about

1463
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:56,199
that, but you're absolutely right.
He does mention that and they kind of

1464
01:55:56,199 --> 01:55:59,600
brush it off and they don't really
talk about it that much. Oh,

1465
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:03,000
that be super cool. I'm yeah. I just listened to that one too

1466
01:56:03,039 --> 01:56:06,840
before Easter because I wanted to hear
it again. And that one absolutely right.

1467
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:14,399
Oh man, interesting too. Total
side note, but since we're talking

1468
01:56:14,439 --> 01:56:17,680
about the book ends in general,
that John Reis Davies plays himself in the

1469
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:24,159
book end. He doesn't play a
character. He's yeah, John Rees Davies.

1470
01:56:25,039 --> 01:56:29,359
Yeah. So here's something too,
Um, what did you figure out

1471
01:56:29,359 --> 01:56:33,600
the anagram of the note? Because
I couldn't figure out he keeps saying ha

1472
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:40,239
via. Oh he was talking about
that ha via Jade. I couldn't figure

1473
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:43,439
out what exactly what he was saying
there. He thought I said I have

1474
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:48,199
Judah and then it actually says had
the other kid's name Hugh hit Java.

1475
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,960
Yeah, but I couldn't figure out
exactly what the letters were to make it

1476
01:56:53,039 --> 01:56:58,399
work. So it's a pretty good
speller. But yeah, I think that

1477
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,439
if you're on a CD track name. When I put the CD in my

1478
01:57:01,479 --> 01:57:05,039
computer, it brought up the track
name I think for that disc, and

1479
01:57:05,079 --> 01:57:08,760
I think the first track is called
a via jade. It has a spelling

1480
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,640
for it. Oh, so what
is it? Let me see here,

1481
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:17,720
let me pull this up. Crack
research team is on the case. Yeah,

1482
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:23,279
because I don't have the the the
physical CD version with the tracks broken

1483
01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:27,760
down. I have just have the
digital version, which is just one large

1484
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,920
file for each disc. Because it
was bugging me because I couldn't figure out

1485
01:57:31,079 --> 01:57:36,039
the spelling there because I was trying
to solve it myself. I think.

1486
01:57:36,199 --> 01:57:40,760
I think it's like one word like
u h, like the normal spelling of

1487
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:46,079
oh uh. Yeah. I thought
he was saying harror, horror or something.

1488
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,199
Oh, okay, I was wrong. It's spelled u h H as

1489
01:57:51,239 --> 01:57:56,279
one word, then via V I
A and then last word is j J

1490
01:57:56,479 --> 01:58:00,439
A d E. Okay. So
the how in the world I he is

1491
01:58:00,439 --> 01:58:04,439
he spelling Hugh because the name Hugh
is h U g H and there's no

1492
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:10,640
different and that's it's a different spelling
for the for the name. Yeah.

1493
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,239
See, that's what was throwing me
off because I couldn't make it make sense

1494
01:58:13,319 --> 01:58:17,199
and the letters line up unless the
spelling on the title of that track is

1495
01:58:17,239 --> 01:58:23,439
just how it's phonetically pronounced. Yeah, like hugh hu huh oh, well,

1496
01:58:23,479 --> 01:58:25,000
I guess. I mean, it's
not a big deal, but it

1497
01:58:25,079 --> 01:58:28,039
was just a little thing that was
pothering because I couldn't figure it out.

1498
01:58:28,399 --> 01:58:30,800
Yeah. Well, that one was
kind of like a false kind of a

1499
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,920
false mystery or cliffhanger just for an
extent, and it's resolved in King Jack,

1500
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:38,239
and I was thinking, oh,
is this just all for nothing?

1501
01:58:38,279 --> 01:58:41,000
And then he brings up, Oh
do they know that I have this?

1502
01:58:41,039 --> 01:58:45,640
And it's okay that one and this
one it's proven that, yeah, this

1503
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:50,039
is a a real thing that happens. And also we get the appearance of

1504
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:56,239
the ever late every later again right, yes, I think we hear Rollo

1505
01:58:56,640 --> 01:59:00,720
at one point, don't we?
Uh huh. He shouts to Rollo too.

1506
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:04,439
Finian does a side note here.
I actually was out in a state

1507
01:59:04,479 --> 01:59:10,560
sell at someone's house recently and kind
of their hallway area that had several big

1508
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:13,680
bookshelves and they have one of those
rolling ladders in there, like, oh,

1509
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:15,680
that is so cool. I took
a picture of it, but because

1510
01:59:16,199 --> 01:59:18,760
it'd be kind of cool to you
know, jump on that and kind of

1511
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:24,680
slide up and down. It's like, that's like the ultimate bookworm nerd gold

1512
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:29,159
there. Yeah, there's a bookstore
here in Phoenix that has one of those,

1513
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:32,159
and it's just the coolest thing.
I think I took a picture of

1514
01:59:32,199 --> 01:59:35,560
it and posted it somewhere years ago
too, saying rollo. Is that you

1515
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:44,880
well that you definitely want to shout
go Rollo in the library. Yeah,

1516
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,479
So any other thoughts about this one? Like, I mean, it's crazy

1517
01:59:49,479 --> 01:59:54,359
they have this bomb explode, these
people come in and rescue them. I

1518
01:59:54,399 --> 01:59:56,800
think he's in a helicopter, right, they put him in a helicopter or

1519
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:00,520
sound like a jet. I think
he's like very physically injured. They do

1520
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:04,479
like chest compressions on them at first. Yeah, I think it gives like

1521
02:00:04,479 --> 02:00:10,119
some oxygen or something like that to
Judah or something like that. And then

1522
02:00:10,479 --> 02:00:14,680
they have to open his shirt to
yeah, and he's like, no,

1523
02:00:15,039 --> 02:00:18,119
you can't do that. And then
it just ends with the guy saying like,

1524
02:00:18,119 --> 02:00:20,720
you know, what what is this? And then it of course ends

1525
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:32,000
right there, Yeah, what is
under the shirt besides the obvious. Yeah,

1526
02:00:32,199 --> 02:00:35,079
I mean the first thing that I
the only thing that came to my

1527
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:40,800
mind was that he has some sort
of a tattoo of some sort of secret

1528
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:45,439
organization or something I don't know,
or or or it's some kind of a

1529
02:00:45,479 --> 02:00:47,920
scar I don't know. That was
the only thing I can think of.

1530
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,760
What what? What are your thoughts? I can't say too much because I

1531
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:58,239
have heard shipwrecked, but oh,
okay, it is addressed. Okay,

1532
02:00:58,279 --> 02:01:03,319
Okay, that's all. Say anything
else on this one or past bookends,

1533
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:08,680
well, I don't think they could
do it now. I my mom was

1534
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,279
playing Teddy's Button a little while back, and I heard a little bit like

1535
02:01:11,319 --> 02:01:15,359
the first book in. It's it's
kind of sad that we had several lampler

1536
02:01:15,439 --> 02:01:17,920
theaters without an ending book in.
It'd be kind of nice that they could

1537
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:23,520
go back and record extra ones for
that. I know they probably can't financially

1538
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:28,720
wise, but I'm so glad they
do two bookends now. And I'm also

1539
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:31,319
glad that the bookends now are longer. Since we're having this bigger storyline,

1540
02:01:31,399 --> 02:01:34,960
they're devoting more time to it rather
than making it really short. That would

1541
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:41,000
make a lot harder to wait until
the next one. Yeah, yeah,

1542
02:01:41,079 --> 02:01:44,840
yeah, right, because like these
days, we only get a couple a

1543
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:48,600
year, whereas in the in the
beginning, you know, we had multiple

1544
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:55,079
every year like they had wasn't it
seven in the first season they were back

1545
02:01:55,079 --> 02:01:58,720
when they were actually calling them seasons, And now we get a couple of

1546
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:02,359
a year, which I'm glad.
I'm glad they're still making them. Yeah.

1547
02:02:02,399 --> 02:02:05,840
I would much rather than take long
time a long time than not have

1548
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:10,079
any So yeah, well the good
thing, I mean, I always like

1549
02:02:10,439 --> 02:02:13,920
listening to high quality audio drama,
but with this story line, it's for

1550
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,560
me, it's makes me look forward
to the next lamp later theater even more.

1551
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:20,319
And maybe a negative for some people
with things happening, but for me,

1552
02:02:20,399 --> 02:02:24,880
it's a plus. Yeah, I'm
I'm not sure where I sit on

1553
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:29,279
that because I see both sides of
it, you know, Like I said,

1554
02:02:29,319 --> 02:02:31,880
I know that it is an investment
to get every single one that comes

1555
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:36,359
out, and if you have a
large family that you have to be feeding

1556
02:02:36,399 --> 02:02:43,399
and you know, keeping clothed,
didn't audio drama is not going to be

1557
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:48,039
on your at the top of your
priority list. So I know, coming

1558
02:02:48,079 --> 02:02:50,840
from a large family when I was
growing up, that you know, it

1559
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:56,359
would have been a tough thing to
be putting out money like that on all

1560
02:02:56,399 --> 02:03:00,079
of these So I see that side
of it is, that's what Christmas and

1561
02:03:00,199 --> 02:03:04,199
birthdays are for. Well, the
money's still coming from the same place,

1562
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:09,319
regardless of if it's a yeah,
we're probably going to list other people to

1563
02:03:09,319 --> 02:03:11,239
to get yeah, if they want
to, if they want to know.

1564
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:15,119
But yeah, I understand how my
life was kind of like that like that

1565
02:03:15,159 --> 02:03:17,439
too, So that's one of the
nice things about become an adult and Nick

1566
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:21,439
my own money, I can buy
all this stuff more. Yeah, very

1567
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:28,000
blessed in that. But overall,
I do love the bookends and just getting

1568
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,399
to hear more about Finny and it's
really cool. He's obviously well he's always

1569
02:03:31,399 --> 02:03:35,000
been a little bit of a cryptic
character. There's always been something about him

1570
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:39,560
that you just that you know that
this guy has a backstory, right,

1571
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:43,680
Yeah, there's truth been that.
But at the same time, like what

1572
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:46,039
kind of because we know he's had
kind of a I mean, that's a

1573
02:03:46,039 --> 02:03:48,880
shitty pass, but like a kind
of a dark past to sorta Nicks Town

1574
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:53,319
some stuff, and it sounds like
I may go even deeper now. Generally

1575
02:03:53,399 --> 02:03:59,079
speaking, a person doesn't get that
kind of wisdom and knowledge to be able

1576
02:03:59,079 --> 02:04:01,640
to help all these people through tough
times without going through some of his own.

1577
02:04:02,279 --> 02:04:08,840
So you know, everydy that there's
something yeah, yeah, So you

1578
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,840
know that there's something to him.
You just don't know what it is.

1579
02:04:12,319 --> 02:04:16,439
But now that it's just been more
and more again, it's been more and

1580
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:20,600
more a part of each release than
you get to learn little bits here and

1581
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:25,520
there, and you're really starting to
see what he's about. So it's exciting.

1582
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,680
You're right, it does make you
look forward to each release. So

1583
02:04:29,439 --> 02:04:32,319
lap Ladder teams still still killing it
with these things, So good job on

1584
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:41,119
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