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Home insurance is arranged by Bank of Ireland 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,119 Insurance Services and underwritten by our SAY Insurance Ireland AC or FBD Insurance Plc. 10 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:38,479 Bank of Ireland Insurance Services Limited, trading as Bank of Ireland Insurance, is 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:47,200 regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. The countdown is on t Bight Time. 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:54,359 This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host tjes Well, 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,759 Well, we have reached the final weekend in April when we got lots to 14 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:02,000 get you on the latest edition of the show. Now I will tell you 15 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:04,840 upfront there's not a Big Time World title fight. But the big Man, 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,319 Dan Rayfield and I were not not gonna sit this point out. We are 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,480 here. We are here, and Dan's got Canelo Alvarez in a conversation coming 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,159 up on the Big Fight weekend preview. Also we will recap Gervante Davis and 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,680 Ryan Garcia. Their pay per view numbers will put all of that to bed 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,799 here in a little bit, a very interesting pay per view numbers did very 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,000 well. That and some other fight news, some nostalgia. We are here, 22 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,439 we are back. Hello, Dan Rayfield speaking of back back from Las 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Vegas and covering everything with Davis Garcia. All right, so again we do 24 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,200 we do have a show this weekend, and that is what the do Zone 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,120 matchup that is in Arlington, Texas. William Zappela and himI Arboleda, Arboleda 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Arboletta, help me on that go through this every week. Arboletta and Zapeta 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,000 are lightweights. That's the Zone main event on Saturday. But we would be 28 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,120 less than honest with the audience that we don't have a big time fight this 29 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:07,520 weekend. We were maybe gonna have Fury and Usick, but that went away 30 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:10,080 long ago. That went away like six weeks ago that that was not going 31 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:14,639 to happen on April to twenty ninth, on Saturday. Anyway, how are 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,719 you feeling. You look rested, you look refreshed. I was. I 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,199 was concerned for you, like on Monday, when I hadn't heard from you 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,280 by about two Eastern time. But then I'm like, you know, I 35 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:27,479 think my man's still on Pacific time before you checked in with me on Monday. 36 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,280 It's good to have you back here on the podcast. How are you, 37 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,039 Dan, Raphael? I'm good, And let me tell you of all 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,960 the things I've learned through the years of making those trips to the West Coast 39 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,240 for fights, as I've done for a long long time. Unless there's something 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,159 absolutely has to get done or some kind of dramatic thing that needs to be 41 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,319 dealt with. When I get home late on a Sunday night, and my 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,120 flight was, you know, a couple of hours late Sunday night. Anyway, 43 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:53,520 I sleep in on Monday morning. I don't get out of bed. 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,599 I don't you know. I'm just you know, I've traveled, i've worked 45 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,639 the fight, I've done my thing. I slept like one o'clock on Monday, 46 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,520 and I still live bit on the Pacific time, but I'm good, 47 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,000 I'm refreshed, I'm i'm I wish there was a big fight this weekend, 48 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:07,319 but there isn't, and that's not the worst thing in the world. I 49 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:08,000 mean, we have a little bit of a letdown. I mean, we 50 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:10,000 do have that the Zone show you mentioned, which I will watch and I 51 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:14,520 actually expect it could be a fun fight. But uh, you know, 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,240 we'll reconvene in the coming weeks. We've got some big fights coming up, 53 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,560 some ones I'm I'm totally psyched for, whether it's Devin Haney against Vesta Loma 54 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:24,439 Chanko May twentieth, I'm excited about a couple of you know, a few 55 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:28,520 weeks after that, we have, well, he got Canello next week. 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,960 It's not maybe the biggest Canelo fight, but of course he's you know, 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,960 a much must watch star. And then a couple weeks after that, Haney 58 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:40,879 and Loma. I'm anxious for mid June. That second weekend, Tiafimo Lopez 59 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,240 challenging Josh Taylor for the Junior welterweight ROLD title in New York City, a 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,639 fight that I will be attending looking forward to that. So we got some 61 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:51,159 good stuff coming up. We do, we do, and you'll hear from 62 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:53,800 Cannello Albres in a few minutes from a recent Dan interview that he did with 63 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,759 him. It's gonna be Canello Fight week next week in Guadalajara, Mexico. 64 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,000 England's John Ryder is the opponent, and so they'll be much covered on that. 65 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Again, I say this all the time, but we don't do this 66 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:09,199 lightly. Dan. We just set an audience record for the big fight weekend 67 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,479 preview off of this past weekend, off the Recap show, off the Fight 68 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:16,279 Freaks to unit recap. Thank you to the audience. Keep findings key and 69 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,639 make sure you're following or subscribing in all seriousness here because there's great content on 70 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:26,319 this podcast feed. We've been getting a lot of new audience, more of 71 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:30,120 audience and rightfully so, Dan and I put a lot of work into this. 72 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:31,759 Thank you to you folks for finding it. We get a lot of 73 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,399 positive feedback from people that enjoy it. They're almost like addicts at this point. 74 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:39,279 Ray feel? Where is my ray feel? On Friday morning? I 75 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:42,279 need my fix? Where is my ray feel? Off the weekend? But 76 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,160 tell me what's going on? I don't know if it's where's my TJ at 77 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,959 this point, but listen, thank you to the audience, follow or subscribe. 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,639 That's the easiest way to get the content because sometimes again here's another example, 79 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,680 like last week, you grab Steven Spinoza of Showtime Sports to talk to 80 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,199 him not only about Davis Scarcia, but the possibilities of a Spine Krawford World 81 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,040 Walterweight showdown, and we didn't have a lot of lead time. You kind 82 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,120 of promoted it socially, but there were a bunch of people that found that 83 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,519 interview and heard it because they're following and subscribing, and they got an automatic 84 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,720 notification that the plan on that was, like I'm gonna grab Espinoza in the 85 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:24,480 media center at the Tank and Ryan fight, and I'm gonna get him for 86 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:27,079 like, you know, we'll sit down ten minutes, we'll talk about about 87 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:30,360 that fight, and we would just include it in one of our normal episodes. 88 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,199 But Steve is the kind of guy who likes to talk and he's never 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,079 had a problem doing an interview. And I've known Steve forever and we have 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,319 a good rapport, and he was into it, and I felt like I 91 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,519 was asking him some pretty good questions about not only the Tank and Ryan fight, 92 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,720 but then when we moved on to Crawford Spence. The point was, 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,639 it turned out that he gave me like thirty thirty five minutes and we got 94 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:49,600 a lot of good material. And you and I had, you know, 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,040 behind the curtain, should we run it in the show, should we do 96 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,199 a separate and we decided, you know what, we're gonna do a full 97 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,399 show anyway previewing the fight, let's run it separate. And you know what, 98 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:00,519 I'm happy to the audience enjoyed it. Yes, you gave a little 99 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,000 inside baseball and the making of the deal. I believe that we have the 100 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:08,079 kind of ardcore fans who listen to us yammer on that like that kind of 101 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:12,519 detail that Steve offered up about those two negotiations and deals and fights. So 102 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,759 I was thrilled that we were able to pull that off. And that's one 103 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:17,000 of the reasons besides just writing an article here. You know, as you 104 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,000 go through the fight week, that's the reason why you show up at the 105 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,680 event, because you're able to be in front of people as opposed to like 106 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:28,079 just being on the phone or a zoom call or something like that. Good 107 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,160 access on that and again you're gonna hear from Canelo in a few minutes. 108 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,680 We will preview that fight card in Arlington, Texas. All right, let's 109 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,480 get to it, though, I mean, Steven Esponota's Esponosa's got to be 110 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,079 thrilled, Oscar day La Joya and Golden Boy have got to be thrilled. 111 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,839 I know they're thrilled at the Team Obile Arena for the promotion because PBC it 112 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,319 was a massive success on pay per view and live Gate. Now, I 113 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:56,240 know you've done some reporting on this too. How accurate is it that the 114 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:00,560 live gate is somewhere around twenty seven or twenty eight million dollars, which is 115 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,920 what is the number that was being floated. How accurate is that now? 116 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,120 I mean it's close to something like that. A lot of accurate, was 117 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,399 it? No, you're you're just so slightly off the live Gate report, 118 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,480 and this is accurate. Twenty two point eight million dollars. That's ticket sales 119 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,399 to the fight. So Tmobile Arena holds like a little over twenty plus thousand 120 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:25,360 for a boxing event, and they announced the attendance on Saturday night to the 121 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,879 press during the show twenty thousand eight hundred and forty two. What that does 122 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,920 not include is that there's also another two thousand plus people who are in the 123 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,319 various suites that they've built in the Team Mobile to bring in additional revenue, 124 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,160 and so they sold. So the number that twenty two point eight million dollars 125 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,639 comes from eighteen thousand, two hundred and fifty two tickets sold, another twenty 126 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,759 another two thousand or so that are in the suites. And this is the 127 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,079 stat I think is amazing. If you look at the manifest that tells you 128 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,600 all the you know breaks down the you know where, you know which price 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,759 levels, tickets are sold out, etc. They were actually, believe it 130 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:07,959 or not, seventy three unsold tickets out of the twenty thousand plus arena, 131 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:13,000 which means here there there there was like an unsold single seat, not unusual 132 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,560 even for the biggest events. I found that to be hilarious. But anyway, 133 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:20,360 that's still a monster number, twenty two point eight million. Let's put 134 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,079 that in perspective. Now, granted we're not taken into account inflation. You 135 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,720 know, fights years ago, if you did a buy inflation, that were 136 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,040 some of those megafights at the outdoor Arena and Caesar's Palace might be at the 137 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:33,039 same level. But if you're just talking apples to apples, which is the 138 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,559 dollar figure, and the fights that I'm going to mention to you are somewhat 139 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,039 recent vintage the last you know, certainly within the last ten years. The 140 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,679 twenty two point eight million dollars puts the gate for Garcia, for Davison Garcia 141 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,200 in number five all time in Nevada history. Now, think about all the 142 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,120 big fights that have taken place in Nevada. That's a big number. So 143 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:54,840 the number one of all time, which is the outlier, which is the 144 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,759 one that's not only the biggest ever in Nevada, but it's the biggest one 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,080 that I'm aware of in the history of boxing period, no matter where or 146 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,919 when or whatever inflationary Uh you know, thing you want to use was Mayweather 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 versus Pack. Yeah, that was at the MGM Grand a fight that I 148 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,159 was at. The live gate for that fight was over seventy two million dollars, 149 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:20,759 Absolutely ridiculous. In second place, that's all the ticket sales in the 150 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,879 arena. The pay per view, yes exactly, not pay per view, 151 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,879 not closed circuit, not T shirts, not international television sponsorship, not parking. 152 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,639 Just the ticket seventy two million, one hundred ninety eight thousand, five 153 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,399 hundred dollars. Wow. And that's just the official number according to the Nevada 154 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,120 State up but a commission. So that was in two thousand and fifteen. 155 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,320 Now, if you go to the second place fight, it was another Floyd 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,720 fight. It was his grand finale against Connor McGregor. That was two thousand 157 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,399 and fifteen. Another fight, or rather, i'm sorry, two thousand and 158 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,519 seventeen, another fight that I was at. That fight. I'm looking at 159 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,159 the exact number. Fifty five million, four hundred and thirteen thousand, eight 160 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,879 hundred and sixty five five dollars and seventy nine cents. Okay, you gotta 161 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,840 get that seventy nine cents in there still. I mean that's massive. Okay. 162 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,240 Now we get into the now, there's a handful of fights in Nevada 163 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,559 that have been a north of twenty million dollars. This is the third best 164 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,440 of them. The other two that were twenty million plus that were better than 165 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,919 the Tank and Ryan fight were the first and second installments of the rivalry between 166 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Canelo and Triple G. First fight in twenty seventeen, slightly over twenty seven 167 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:33,519 million dollars. Second fight in twenty eighteen, you know, a bit over 168 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,279 twenty four million dollars. And then the next one, number five is the 169 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,279 fight that took place last weekend, Ryan Garcia against Tank Davis at twenty two 170 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,919 point eight million dollars. So that just goes to show you that these guys 171 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:52,279 just they touched a nerve an emotion whatever you want to call it, with 172 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,720 the public that had them shell out big money. And and just for the 173 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:58,440 record about it, the way that they got to the twenty eight million TJ 174 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,399 is that the tickets were priced on face value. Now this is not based 175 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,159 on the gate numbers, not based on what the secondary market sold, and 176 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,320 some of those tickets went for obviously much much more than the face value. 177 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,159 The face value of the tickets for this fight were between a small amount, 178 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,080 but there were some two hundred dollars tickets to get in at the highest you 179 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,879 know, up in the bleed up in the nose bleed area, all the 180 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:26,399 way to five thousand dollars for some of those ringside tickets. So the official 181 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,720 ticket prices ran the gamut from two hundred to five thousand, and when they 182 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,320 sold all of them except for seventy three. It generated twenty two point eight 183 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,399 million dollars. And listen, that is a big fucking number for a gate. 184 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,879 Yes, and again, the simple math I went to public school again, 185 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,200 is if you got twenty thousand, that you're counting twenty thousand, even 186 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,600 twenty two thousand, and the number is right at twenty two million for the 187 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,960 live gate. And that's telling you roughly a thousand dollars a ticket on average, 188 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:00,200 not that all of them were priced that that's still seventy five million from 189 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Mayweather Paciol in the same type of setting. That tells you that it was 190 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:09,720 north of like four thousand right per ticket on average for every ticket in the 191 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,480 average ticket price. Incredible, incredible numbers, incredible math. Now let's get 192 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,440 to the pay per view. What you're reporting on the on the pay per 193 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,919 view, because I think that exceeded everybody's expectation by a lot. Tell us 194 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,639 more on Garcia Davis scoring even bigger, even more revenue on pay per view, 195 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,320 den what can you say? He was a huge number. And I'll 196 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,720 be the first to admit in a long time of handicapping or prognosticating pay per 197 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,360 view numbers, I'm actually pretty good. I mean I used to have this 198 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:46,840 conversation with Mark Taffett, who was the long time senior vice president of HBO 199 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,159 Sports who ran HBO pay per View, essentially was involved in the creation of 200 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:54,879 modern pay per view, and you know, he would always compliment me because 201 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,000 we would always have our pre fight conversation, what do you think it's going 202 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,679 to do? And and frankly, more often than not, I was right 203 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,720 there in the wheel asks of what these fights would do. So but I 204 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:05,799 can take d l once in a while because I gotta give it up. 205 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,399 I got to admit what I'm wrong. So when it came to Ryan Garcia 206 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,320 and Taint Davis, I did think it was going to do a very healthy 207 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:13,720 number. We talked about it on the one of the preview podcasts, I'm 208 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,360 sure, I did some of us interviews with my friends at some of the 209 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,480 YouTube channels and we talked about it. So in my mind I kept thinking, 210 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,639 it's a slam dunk to do a half a million. And you know, 211 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,360 if they really did a hell of a job and people really you know, 212 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,480 it touched them and they wanted to see this that you know, it 213 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:31,240 had a chance. Maybe it get to like seven seven fifty would be in 214 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,879 that realm. I did not believe for a lot of different reasons that it 215 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,039 would in the metric I had in my mind, or the comparison I should 216 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,360 say that I had in my mind was the rematch between Tyson Fury and Deontay 217 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,519 Wilder, which again to me, was the greatest promoted pay per view event 218 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,480 I have ever covered, because of the tonnage from Fox and ESPN, the 219 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,080 way that the two companies came together worked seamlessly, the way that the boxers 220 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,200 just promoted the heck out of each other, two A sides, both with 221 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,720 huge charisma, big fan bases. Uh, never stopped talking, never stopped 222 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:07,720 doing interviews on you know, whether it was on social media with traditional outlets, 223 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,320 with YouTube, with Internet whatever. It just never stopped for two months 224 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,360 talking about that fight. And it did a huge gate, and the pay 225 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,159 per view was a little disappointed at eight hundred fifty thousand, not because it's 226 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:22,320 not a good number, but there, you know, the the thought was 227 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,039 there so much piracy that people watched it, but they didn't necessarily pay for 228 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,320 it. But so that eight fifty and then you looked at the Canelo Alvarez 229 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,080 fight against Caleb Plant, which was another well promoted fight, big time fight, 230 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:41,799 high significance. Remember Fury and and uh Fury and uh and and Wilder 231 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:45,120 was the rematch for the heavyweight Championship of the World that had had an excellent 232 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,600 first fight with all the knockdowns that uh you know that Deonte scored and Fury 233 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,159 surviving anyway, a lot of reasons that people are going to tune in for 234 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,679 the rematch. Then I talked about the Caleb Plant fight against Canello, again 235 00:14:54,799 --> 00:15:00,480 big time fight, well promoted h by our friends at Showtime and PBC, 236 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,120 and it was for a historical kind of fight. Canello was going for undisputed. 237 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,759 Plant obviously could have been undisputed also, but he Cannello had been very 238 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:11,200 busy racking up the belts. He got to the last one with Caleb Plant 239 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,960 and another fight that did very well on pay per view based on today's era 240 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,240 that's so filled with piracy. It did like eight hundred and thousand plus pay 241 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,159 per view buys. I'm like okay, and as Espinoza and I had talked 242 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:28,039 about, eight hundred thousand was like the new million. So when it came 243 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,639 to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis. My thinking, Okay, it's a it's 244 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,960 a really interesting matchup, but it's not as big in terms of meaning, 245 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,279 let's say, as the heavyweight Championship of the World or you know, Canello 246 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:43,559 fighting Caleb plant with a chance for the number one star to become the undisputed 247 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,039 champion to culminate what had been a very active period of his career. You 248 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,120 know, this was like his fourth fight in eleven months. So I kept 249 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,679 thinking to myself, Garcia and uh and Tank is going to be a big 250 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:00,919 number, but it probably won't quite get to the level of those two fights 251 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,720 that in my mind were bigger deals. Well, I was fucking wrong, 252 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,399 Ry and it happens. So there obviously were a lot of people besides the 253 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,879 diehard boxing fans, And I'm happy about this because it's good for It's great 254 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,840 for the sport when you put eyeballs on a big event like that. So 255 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,879 the fight ends up doing one point two million pay per view buys. To 256 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,480 me, and I think to most people who observe and are involved or are 257 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,120 write about it or whatever, it's an astronomical and a totally unexpected number. 258 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,360 And I kind of got the feeling after my predictions. Let's say that we're 259 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,159 heading to a monster because on the night of the fight, I talked to 260 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,360 a person involved in the pay per view industry, somebody that was with pappv 261 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,159 dot com who was telling me even now, the people that anybody that does 262 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,320 an event on digital, they know their numbers immediately. This is not a 263 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,519 time where the numbers that are not known are the cable systems because they got 264 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:51,919 to go through a lot of other accounting procedures. It just doesn't show up 265 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,159 on a on a computer screen and tell you how many buys are. It's 266 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,960 much more complicated to get final numbers for a traditional pay per view on linear 267 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,919 television. But when the PPV dot com people tell you the night of the 268 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,759 fight, they don't tell you the number, but they're like, we know 269 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,799 already this is our biggest pay per view we've ever had. Now you feel 270 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,519 like something special is going on. So I had the feeling on the night 271 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,839 of the fight, as I'm seated in the T Mobile arena that this may 272 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,720 be a little bit bigger than I maybe had given it credit for. Even 273 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,279 at that a million, okay, then I hear a million two, And 274 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,960 now nobody tells you the number outright. There was no formal announced, but 275 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,599 after a lot of the industry people leaked it to media, people like myself, 276 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:37,079 you have Oscar Daal La Joya and the people at Golden Boy put out 277 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:42,400 their own statement today which is Thursday as we tape it, where they acknowledged 278 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,759 that it was one point two million, and they basically gave themselves a pat 279 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,359 on the back about the gate, about the prey preview, did a little 280 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,960 victory lap because they have been involved in some of the biggest papers. Oh 281 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 we're getting we're getting to patting yourself on the back here in a few minutes, 282 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,240 just a second, when you're done about Oscar and about the zone and 283 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,880 about that whole thing, and buy so the back to the pay per view. 284 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,400 When you do that, many pay per view buys and you charge eighty 285 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,400 four ninety nine. And by the way, just so people are clear, 286 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,039 we're not talking. We're not doing the wacky de zone math where they're including 287 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,880 pay per views around the world like they like to mix up apples and oranges. 288 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,799 We're doing traditional apples to apples. Compared to every other big time pay 289 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,400 per view that we've known of in the old HBO Universe and the Showtime Universe. 290 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,799 It was on Fox pay per view, on ESPN pay per view whatever. 291 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:36,559 This is North American, not Mexico necessarily for some Canelo fights, but 292 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,319 basically the number derived for a Tank and Ryan includes the United States of America, 293 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:45,880 Canada, and I believe also Puerto Rico. That's where that one point 294 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,480 two million comes from. And in eighty five bucks to popt in most places, 295 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,119 you're talking about a fight that generates just in pay per view review. 296 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,640 This does not include the twenty two plus million dollars at the gate. This 297 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:06,920 is a one hundred million dollars plus revenue night for everybody. Now, the 298 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,400 cable operators and the satellite services and the partners, they get their share. 299 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:15,480 Now. For many many years it was almost like virtually fifty fifty. Maybe 300 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,920 the promoter would get a touch more. But the way that it works now 301 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,039 is there's a lot less that goes to the cable operator, so it makes 302 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,960 up for it. This was a big, big night for everybody involved. 303 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:27,279 And by the way, the boxers, I'm not sure what their take is 304 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,880 in terms of just I was just going there. I was just going there. 305 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:34,880 But that just gotta be for I mean conservatively, if you're talking about 306 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,839 eighty ninety million dollars just off the pay per view plus the live gate. 307 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,359 But the pay per view in specific was where everybody knew this was this was 308 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,759 going to make them significant money. If it was gonna make it, you 309 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,519 would have to think that the fighters are getting at least ten percent of that, 310 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,880 at least maybe more. You can't put a percentage on it. You 311 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,119 don't know what they're doing. I would have to think they're not worth the 312 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,279 speculation. TJ. It's different every time I know more about than this. 313 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,799 On on this with them, I gotta believe that Jervonte Davis made at least 314 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,359 eight or ten million off the pay per view until somebody disproves that. And 315 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,920 he may have made and he may have made fifteen or twenty million off the 316 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,160 pay per view. Now, Ryan Garcia may not have made his high a 317 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,400 percentage A side versus B side, but I'd be shocked if Ryan Garcia didn't 318 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,240 make like five percent of the pay per view, which again on the math, 319 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:22,720 would be it's not a million. It's not about how much you make 320 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:27,039 on the pay per view. It's about Now Again, I'm assuming we don't 321 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,839 know the details. So we're getting into an area I don't care to spell 322 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,720 right, but I don't know anything I'm talking about. But if it's run 323 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,519 like a normal way, there probably was some kind of guarantee. We're not 324 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,039 talking about the Crawford Spence mess where they were going to do a no guarantee. 325 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,799 There was some kind of guarantee. Now, normally what would occur is 326 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,720 that the each boxer with their team would agree to a base purse at the 327 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:52,319 worst case scenario, and it could be very low, could have been like 328 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,480 two or three million dollars or whatever. But where you really make the money 329 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:02,279 if your event hits is you get X number of dollars per buy over a 330 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:06,720 certain threshold. So for example, if the fight does over five hundred thousand, 331 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,240 you get eight dollars a home over five hundred thousand. That's just one 332 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,039 example. So yes, I am sure that Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia made 333 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:21,799 a tremendous amount of money from this event. Golden Boy probably made its successful. 334 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:25,079 It's probably a successful year for them, frankly, based on what they 335 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:30,519 can make on this fight and for PBC and TGB and everybody else involved. 336 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,440 They've had probably their best score in a long long time, because even though 337 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,039 they've done other pay per views, like for example, Deontay Wilder against Robert 338 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Lennius, I mean, they barely probably covered their expenses and that kind of 339 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,720 fight, even if they maybe even they might have lost a little bit of 340 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,079 money. That's just the way it goes. When I talk about the Tyson 341 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,359 Fury Deontay Wilder rematch, that fight generated in astronomical amounts of money, but 342 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,559 the guarantees that were given to Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder made it such that 343 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,480 if you talk to the promoter folks, they'll tell you that they didn't make 344 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,839 money on the then because so much of that went out to the boxers that 345 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,720 they that they kind of lost money on the overall event. And by the 346 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:07,759 way it was public, it was public. You wrote about this and others 347 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,200 wrote about this that they're guarantees for the third fight were north of twenty million 348 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,039 dollars each guarantees before you got to the split. But we're talking about the 349 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:19,359 second fight. The second fight was they were guaranteed my recollection as twenty five 350 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,440 million a piece. On the third fight, they were guaranteed north of twenty 351 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,680 million each. One of them. It was in the contract for the rematch 352 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,240 already in advance. It got put into place, the whole thing, so 353 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:33,119 I do remember so that I'm talking about it, but I'm talking about the 354 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,279 success of fight number two number. Fight number three did not do as big 355 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,240 of a number, I'm sorry. Fight three did not do as big of 356 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,279 a number as fight too. Fight. Of the three fights at Tyson and 357 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,920 Beant, they had, the first fight, which was a showtime pay per 358 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,240 view, was like, you know, maybe maybe two eighty three hundred something 359 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,680 like that. The second one was the monster at eight fifty ish. The 360 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,200 third one I think did very well also off thought may I don't remember. 361 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,640 It might have been over seven to fifty or something like that, but it 362 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,839 didn't reach the level of the second fight, and the tees in the third 363 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,480 fight my recollection, we're not as great as the guarantees in the second fight. 364 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,279 But whatever, the point of it is still uh it's I mean, 365 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,079 it's a it's a huge win. Is the is the overall arching point for 366 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:18,559 everybody involved. The mune was raked in on this. Everyone they have they 367 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,640 have their their take of that of that hundred plus million on the pay per 368 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,440 view in the United States, Like I said, a big, a good 369 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,920 percentage that goes to the operators tens of millions of dollars, but they're still 370 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,920 got a shipload left over. Then there's the gate what we talked about. 371 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Now there's expenses to pay for that, an expensive for the whole event, 372 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,000 etcetera. But then there's also all the foreign television. Remember if you were 373 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:41,359 watching this fight in Japan, or you're watching it in next story, you're 374 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,799 watching it in in France, or you're watching it in Kazakhstan, whatever, 375 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,880 those outlets in those countries paid something for the right to have that broadcast. 376 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,319 So if you add it up country by country by country, uh, this 377 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,920 fight probably didn't do gargantuan numbers internationally because the way you get the real good 378 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,359 money internationally is if it's a title fight, and this was not a title 379 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,039 fight, so in certain countries they wouldn't necessarily be that interested, but it 380 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,759 still was. There's obviously still international broadcast rights that go into the into the 381 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,160 into the pot. And by the way, all the people that were there 382 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,759 wearing T shirts, all the people that were there wearing you know, tank 383 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,519 Garcia hats. You know, if you bought a poster in the gift shop 384 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,759 for fifteen bucks or whatever it was, or you bought a program, or 385 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:32,400 you bought whatever alcohol that money alcohol. By the way, they had sponsors. 386 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,519 The big George Foreman movie was a sponsor. They paid a fee. 387 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,920 There were you know, the uh, the new I forget, I don't 388 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,640 even forget what it is, but it was some some new sports drink the 389 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,920 Gatorade was putting out. They were a sponsor of the event. And anyway, 390 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,599 every one of those sponsors and all those those logos you see on the 391 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,759 ring bat all of those people pay six figures most likely to be involved in 392 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,599 the event. So you add up every single one of those revenue streams, 393 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,279 you're talking about a fight that's probably in the hundred fifty million dollars range. 394 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,759 All in. Wow, tremendous. All right, So let's spend a minute 395 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:11,559 or two on this because it's worthwhile. The mess, the absolute mess that 396 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,000 Do Zone was for I think it's fair to say more than a few and 397 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,279 probably hundreds, if not thousands of people that we can probably tangibly point to 398 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,440 that we're either having trouble logging on through to Zone to buy the pay per 399 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,160 view. Davis Garcia we're talking about, which again, primarily it was a 400 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,000 Showtime promoted event, but de Zone and Golden Boy were also promoting it. 401 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,759 Buy it through to Zone, all right. So I can't say with any 402 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:42,720 certainty that there were five thousand, that there were one hundred thousand, that 403 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:47,119 there were two hundred thousand people trying to buy through to Zone. I don't 404 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,680 know how much it was, but people have come out of the woodwork to 405 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:55,799 say I had trouble logging in and streaming it, and then they kept encouraging 406 00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,680 me to buy it again or log in again and have now double and triple 407 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000 charged me for the pay per view. And here we are Dan sitting on 408 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,839 Thursday. Numerous ones of these people that have contacted us on Big Fight weekend 409 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,720 are saying that even as of Wednesday and Thursday, they've heard from no one 410 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,759 on how do I get my refund and they're having to look into voiding it 411 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:22,079 through their credit card company, etc. So this was a mess not for 412 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,119 everybody, but for a lot of people trying to log in through the Zone. 413 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,039 It was made available through the Zone and buy the pay per view, 414 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,359 and by their own admission, to Zone apologized during the broadcast that they knew 415 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,319 there was a problem with the massive amount of people trying to log in and 416 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,160 view it on to Zone. It was causing it to be slow. It 417 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,039 was blocking people from being able to access it. But I mean, there 418 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,680 are examples that people have sent to us. Here's my bill. They charged 419 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,880 me three times for the fight and I still couldn't see the fight. There 420 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,240 was one guy where they charged him nine times. He tried it. It's 421 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,559 like Ferris Bueller's day off. He's missed nine times on school nine times, 422 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,359 nine times. Nine times. They charged this customer for the pay per view 423 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,200 trying to watch it, and he still doesn't have a refund days later. 424 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200 What a what a mess? And I got aggravated, and you're aggravated a 425 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,480 little bit as well. There's a reason why when this fight was being negotiated 426 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:21,119 that Showtime did not want to allow the Zone to be involved. And this 427 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,519 is one reason. Now, it was their product on the Zone's platform. 428 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:27,000 And obviously, if you were already a Zone subscriber, be it for a 429 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:32,039 month or for a year, it made sense to buy the fight on de 430 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Zone because you're going to see the same Showtime broadcast. But and this was 431 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,920 something that Espinosa spoke about an hour preview podcast. The retail price of the 432 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,519 paper views eighty four ninety nine. But if you're already an annual subscriber or 433 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,000 multi subscriber to Zone like I was, why would you buy it for eighty 434 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,160 five bucks on linear television or on PPV dot com or on satellite dish or 435 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,720 any other place that sold it. Not because they're not good services and then 436 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,680 don't do a good job or anything like that. But there it's eighty five 437 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,039 bucks, but he already a subscribed to the Zone, it's only sixty okay. 438 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,599 And that was something that Espinosa talked about, like they had to deal 439 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,200 with. You know, there's a limited number of subscribers on the Zone, 440 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,759 so they felt like it was that was something they had to give up in 441 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:17,200 the negotiation to make the deal happen. So I, for example, I 442 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,279 may be an anomaly, but even though I was there ringside, I still 443 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,160 bought the pay per view because when I came home, what do I like 444 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,920 to do TJ. I'm a fight a collector. I wanted to make a 445 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960 DVD of it. So if I buy it on the Zone, no problem. 446 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,640 Like I've done with the Canelo fights and other things. Now I get 447 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,519 the Zone through my cable as an app on our box, I can easily 448 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:40,160 make a DVD of it through the Zone. I figured, no problem, 449 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,559 That's what I've done for previous Canelo fights. As a matter of fact, 450 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,720 I even asked one of the Zone people, Hey, is this like Canelo? 451 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,519 You know the replay? I can? I can if I buy the 452 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,720 pay per view, I can still watch the replay like you can basically anytime. 453 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,319 Yeah, of course, no problem, Like I've done on ESPN Plus. 454 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:02,400 You know with the Tyson Fury against Dyllian White at or Sean Porter against 455 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,440 they had him sitting there as an archive died them for certain exact play it 456 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,599 you just you just hit the button and you can watch it again. So 457 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880 on the night of the fight, when I was in the arena, I 458 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,359 went on to Zone just to make sure because I had purchased the pay per 459 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,799 view for sixty dollars through my Apple Pay on my phone, and I was 460 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,279 sitting on my laptop and I and I was like, I said, I'm 461 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,359 watching the fight live, but I checked to make sure everything was good, 462 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,359 and sure enough, there's there's the fight. Okay, cool, Everything's good, 463 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,960 no problem. Now I go home. Uh Sunday, I get home. 464 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,640 As I mentioned a couple hours later, I was already a little cranky 465 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,119 from a long day of travel, tired, and already running a couple hours 466 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,599 behind schedule. So I was not in the best of moods. But when 467 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,720 I finally got home and I settled in and I was unpacking, I was 468 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:48,519 doing stuff, and I was back in my office, I went on to 469 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,359 Zone again just to see what was up with the pay per view, and 470 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:53,680 I wanted, actually I wanted to rewatch the fight a little bit, and 471 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,119 you know, just sort of relax. Here's some of the commentary, do 472 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,119 my thing. And I'm looking and and there's no fucking fight. So I 473 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,440 see a section on the Zone school page that's Garcia, Davis Garcia. You 474 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,720 know they break it up. Okay, well it's there, and I'm scrolling 475 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,799 through, and like you can watch them before the belve parts like those two 476 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:18,200 prelim fights with Vito Milnikki, etc. That were on Showtime's Facebook and YouTube 477 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,920 channel. You could rewatch the way in. You could rewatch the press conference, 478 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,440 like I watched the little interviews that they carved out. You could watch 479 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,079 they had a file that was like fight highlights. There was like fifteen fucking 480 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,960 things on there to watch and there was no event, and what the fuck 481 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:37,799 is going on here? So it's still not there? I thought, you 482 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,559 know what, I actually give them benefit of doubt. Maybe there was some 483 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,880 issue, like you know, they took a day or it took a little 484 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,920 time to put it back into the archive, and that does happen occasionally. 485 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,559 But I mean, I'm I'm a pretty chilled guy when it comes to that. 486 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,960 So when it wasn't there again, now I'm reaching out, I'm like, 487 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,880 hey, what's up with this? And nobody still has fucking given me 488 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,200 an answer, and I'm not again. This is four days later, and 489 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,640 by the way, you are who you are, and you and you're already 490 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,400 upset that you don't have it, and they have to know. They have 491 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,039 to have a brain cell or to know that you're about to publicize that. 492 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:15,920 One of the I don't think it's too strong of a word. One of 493 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,519 the things that you can be accused of fraud about is that you're offering to 494 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,759 people there's gonna be a replay, there's gonna be a discounted price. You 495 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,720 know, you're gonna be able to do whatever. And if you start overcharging 496 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,519 people and you don't have a replay, you you're talking there's there are fans 497 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,920 talking about a class action lawsuit against them, and I don't know if there 498 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,720 is one yet, but go ahead pick it up. Well, I I 499 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,200 have asked about it. I have not yet received a satisfactory answer. Joe 500 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,079 Markowski from the Zone, if you're listening, go check your DMS please. 501 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,119 So it's just so that I'm not I'm not even blaming like the PR people. 502 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,079 One of the PR people from one of the PR people from the Zone 503 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:59,799 that I was talking to basically was like, we'll get you a refund. 504 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,000 I'm like, I'll tell you what. And I've done this. I got 505 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920 a credit card since I was like eighteen years old and went away to college. 506 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,799 Okay, I've done this maybe like three times in my life. I 507 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:15,079 went on the website for my credit card and I disputed the charge because I 508 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:21,039 will die before I give them my sixty dollars for that. Okay, So 509 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,759 did I understand this? As of Thursday, when we're releasing the podcast, 510 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:30,039 there is still not a replay of the fight. It's not there. I'm 511 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,039 gonna use the word that is inexcusable. Now, I think the reason that 512 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,640 they didn't tell you the reason, No, no, no, I understand 513 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,240 what you're saying. It's fucked up because they tried to make it like it 514 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:42,000 wasn't going to be the case. My impression, and I don't have a 515 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 clear answer, so if I'm wrong, you know, Mia Copa, My 516 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:50,200 impression is because it was a Showtime event that they were using on their platform. 517 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,359 That because Showtime has the rights to the replay, which they will not 518 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,720 of the They're not going to replay the entire event. They're going to replay 519 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,039 the Tank and Ryan main event yes Saturday Night on their regular Showtime service, 520 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:07,000 along with the epilogue episode of their all access show. So they didn't want 521 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,960 that to be available. So I'm assuming maybe I'm wrong. If somebody's out 522 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,599 there that is with Showtime or do Zone knows the answer, let me know. 523 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,200 You all have my phone number in my email and my text. All 524 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,279 that is that that they didn't have the right to do that because Showtime Now 525 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,440 is the exclusive owner and that how do you not tell your customers that? 526 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,000 Yes, but I'm just talking about in general, how do you not tell 527 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:34,200 your customers with a disclaimer. The replay is not available until this date, 528 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,279 which would probably be what April the thirtieth. Son not available all right now, 529 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:39,400 but it's not available at all. But how do you not tell them 530 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,799 it's not going to be available? If it is available until after the showtime 531 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,319 replay on Saturday night, it may not even be available after that. And 532 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,799 at that point, why am I spending the money? So here's the point 533 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,559 I make. I bought it on sixty dollars to Zone because I wanted to 534 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,240 tape the replay. Had I known there was no replay, I just sucked 535 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,599 it up and I'd have bought it for the eighty five on a different platform 536 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,480 and and dv art it. You know what I mean. Yes, So 537 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,639 again I have not gone on social media and punished them yet. I'm waiting 538 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:10,679 to see how it's resolved. But you're doing it here as you showed. 539 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,079 Fuck with me is the point, and that's what a lot of people are 540 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,960 saying. And you're better off than the ones that have been charged in this 541 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,519 case over two hundred and fifty dollars for a fight that they couldn't get through. 542 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,400 Again, we had numerous people say I was charged twice. I was 543 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,320 charged three times, and I gave up trying to buy it. And by 544 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,840 the way, at least in my case, I at least got to watch 545 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,159 the fight because I was there in the arena, so I got to watch 546 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,719 it fair enough. But imagine if you bought the fight on pay per view 547 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,920 for sixty bucks, got charged three, four or five, six, seven, 548 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,119 eight, nine times and still didn't get a chance to watch it even 549 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,880 though you're already at the Zone subscriber. That is the most fucked up thing 550 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,440 I can think of. The Zone has done everything possible in the last while 551 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,320 to completely grew over their fans, people who I want to defend them. 552 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,920 I want to love them overall. The concept of their service I like. 553 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,920 I think they do have a good fight schedule generally speaking, I got no 554 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,480 problem with it. But when you raise the prices in such a dramatic way 555 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,280 that they've done multiple times over a short period of time, and you can't 556 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,920 deliver an HD signal, you can't deliver a replay of a pay per view 557 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,880 that you said there'd be a replay for, and you have all these other 558 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,960 people that can't even access that at all. You have myriad production problems time 559 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,199 and time again, because you're trying to spend three cents instead of the ten 560 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,119 cents to make a good show. And I believe me. I know that 561 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,760 from people who have been involved in production, who've told me, who have 562 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,360 worked on the Zone events, who have also worked on Showtime events, how 563 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,639 much they cheap out to save any money they can on the production. Why 564 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:50,679 do you think there's instability with some of their shows? It's one problem after 565 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,119 another, and they better take care of this shit. They better take care 566 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,920 of all those refunds for those people. And not only should they give them 567 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,199 a refund, they should make good. We're gonna give you an extra couple 568 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,199 of months of the Zone just because we feel bad about it. Have a 569 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,880 concept of customer service. You know, if you get a customer that likes 570 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,599 your product, they don't have a problem paying for it. They'll embrace it. 571 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,559 They'll they'll continue to use it, they'll tell their friends about it. 572 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,360 But they'll do likewise the opposite, continue to take advantage of them. Oh, 573 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,760 I agree, And there are angry people four or five days later that 574 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,320 I'm just about it now. You got me really going? I understand? 575 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,639 Okay, So there's a negative. Let's go to a positive. Let's go 576 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,800 to Canelo Alvarez. Do I even dare say that it's on the Zone coming 577 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:39,000 up? Cane pay per view coming on. By the way, I must 578 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:43,800 say, I must interject. If you're gonna watch the Canelo Rider fight on 579 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960 pay per view, obviously it's a the Zone pay per view and the same 580 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:49,960 kind of deal. It's a certain price if you subscribe. But if you 581 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,480 don't want the problems, I'm going to give our people a little plug here. 582 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,679 Either buy on in demand on your regular TV for a couple of dollars 583 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,360 more, or buy it on PPV dot com. There's one thing I can 584 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400 tell you for sure. Uh, the chance of you having a problem getting 585 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,480 it on ppev dot com compared to the Zone are almost zero. The ppev 586 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:12,119 dot com signal is strong. It's easy. I've watched watched the fight the 587 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,519 other night on ppbo com. I logged in, I streamed. I had 588 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:16,920 no problem for the two or three hours there that I was watching it. 589 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,119 But you can't. Unfortunately, you can't say that about the Zone. I 590 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,840 mean, and it shouldn't be the case. It's their problem and they okay, 591 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,000 But dare I say Canello Rider May sixth, the week from Saturday, 592 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,480 will be on The Zone pay per view, and let's brighten it up a 593 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,400 little bit. Here is Dan Raypheel with the undisputed super middleweight champion who's defending 594 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,480 his titles against John Rider of England. Let's hear their conversation now had recently 595 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,920 in advance of Canelo fight week. It's my great pleasure today to welcome into 596 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,559 our podcast none other than the undisputed super middleweight champ of the world, the 597 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,400 biggest star in boxing, Canelo Alvarez Canello. Welcome to my show. I 598 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,239 appreciate you joining me. I'm looking forward to your fight. We're gonna talk 599 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,280 about that, but I gotta ask you to get started here. Don't you 600 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,800 just love being introduced as undisputed super middleweight champ. I knew how important that 601 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,400 was when you were striving to get all the belts. Yeah, I like 602 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,880 I like to hear that. I like to hear that because you know, 603 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:15,760 it's something special for me. In eleven months I turned on disputed champion. 604 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,400 That's that's history for me and that I like. I like to hear that, 605 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,920 no doubt about it. All Right, let's tell the people why you're 606 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,320 here. Coming up on May sixth, you have an important fight defending your 607 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,079 titles against your w BO mandatory, the interim champion, John Ryder. It 608 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,400 will be your first fight in Mexico in a decade at the Akron Stadium in 609 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,880 your hometown of Guadalajara. It will be May six live on the Zone pay 610 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,360 per view. And as I was looking at your record, Canal and realize 611 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,599 just how long it had been, not only since you had boxed in Mexico, 612 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:50,559 but since you had boxed in Guadalajara, why was this sort of the 613 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,599 perfect time for you to have this homecoming fight. I think it's a perfect 614 00:38:54,639 --> 00:39:02,800 time because you know, I'm right now the best fighter and champion on disputed 615 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,079 champion in one sixty eight. I want to bring my people who support me 616 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,719 in the beginning of my career, a great show, a great fight. 617 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,840 So that's why it's important for me, and the people is happy to have 618 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:20,679 in me in well, Laha, So I'm so happy. What do you 619 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,760 think it's gonna be like? When you, like, I know you have 620 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920 your press conference in Guadalajara, so you've got a sort of a sense of 621 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,159 maybe the passion of the local folks there of what it's going to be like 622 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,519 when you actually have the fight. But how do you and you've been in 623 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,360 big events for many, many years, but do you think it's gonna You're 624 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,559 gonna even have maybe a little more excitement or butterflies or whatever walking into a 625 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:44,519 stadium filled with people in your hometown where you know people root for you everywhere 626 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:45,679 when you fight. But this is going to be I think a little different 627 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,960 without having had a fight there since twenty eleven, since your junior middleweight defense 628 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,039 back against Kurmit Centro, and that was in Mexico City. Yeah, like 629 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,760 you say, I've been in big fights and big events before, but I 630 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,320 think this is this is different because he's in my home, doown my people 631 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:12,039 who really wants to see me fight fight, and and there's a lot of 632 00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:19,920 people can go to to to USA to to for some reason and they are 633 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,360 so excited. So I think it's going to be a little a little bit 634 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:29,360 different. I'm gonna feel more butterflies in my in my my so much now. 635 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,519 You always have the pressures of these big events, people tugging at you, 636 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,679 But is it going to be a little bit more difficult with the distractions 637 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,719 that come with home fights. I've talked to different fighters over the years. 638 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,000 Some fighters they like fighting away because they don't have that sort of everybody you 639 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,599 know after them, uh and and and the distractions that go along with it. 640 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,840 Some thrive. What is your perspective? You know, you know, 641 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,519 you know that I thinking about I think about it before I decide to fight 642 00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:04,159 here in how I think about that that situation. But the discipline, the 643 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:10,719 discipline fighter I am. I just need to be focused on my five and 644 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,559 I'm training right now and I'm like a camp really, Cam, No, 645 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,760 don't go outside your training and focus on the five. So but yeah, 646 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,880 it's a little difficult. It's a little more more difficult for the situation. 647 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:39,440 But you know, when you know what you want is is that the situation 648 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,079 go more relex So now you have this fight with writer. You sized him 649 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,679 up at your press conferences in both Wattle Art and in Standiego. It's a 650 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,800 little haller than you. He's got good experience, he's thoughts some good fighters. 651 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,119 Just if you just quickly your general thoughts about him as an opponent, 652 00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,960 sturdy guy. Only Ben stopped once years ago, but you know he's he's 653 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,679 he's been in a lot of would fight. Uh, he's been a lot 654 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:10,800 would fight his salpo u. And you know, I'm focus and training like 655 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,559 for the best fighter, you know, because right now that people is talking 656 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,159 about this, it's going to be an easy fight, But they say the 657 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,719 same thing when I fight with with the bold, right, you know, 658 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,599 you never know him in boxing. So I'm gonna drink a hundred percent and 659 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,920 focus and do the correcting and just do my job, all right. So 660 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,679 you brought up Evol like you said that was people consider that an upset. 661 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,320 He obviously is a tremendous fighter also, um, And if all goes well 662 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,960 between you and writer, which I know you expect it well, is your 663 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,039 plan, your your desire still to have the rematch with Dmitri come September? 664 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,920 And if it is the case, do you want to do that at one 665 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,760 sixty eight or at one seventy five. Yeah, that's my goal. Everybody 666 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,400 knows that. That's my goal to fight, to fight, to have the 667 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,840 match with Eval. If not happening, we'll see, we'll see what happened. 668 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,400 But that's my goal. And and in the same way class one seventy 669 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,559 five and the same place, everything the same, so you would go back 670 00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:12,559 up to wait, back up and wait to fight him. Okay, yeah, 671 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480 what is it that so compels you for the rematch that makes you so 672 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:22,360 much water rematch? Because you know, I I what, I what I 673 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:28,119 what? I know I'm not one hundred percent and that fight, so I 674 00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,400 want to make sure I'm better than him. Was that because of your wrist 675 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,679 injury that you had surgery on? Yeah, and and plus done. I 676 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,239 have four fights in eleven months or my my hand get worse, right, 677 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,880 really really bad? But uh, as I fighter, I say, no, 678 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:51,639 it's fine. One more fighting and then we'll see. And I have 679 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,360 I'm not being able to train one hundred percent. That's why I feel like 680 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:02,000 like I need to to to prove I'm better than him. All right, 681 00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:06,400 So if that is the case and you do have this rematch with Dmitri comes 682 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,199 September, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you as we wrap up 683 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,960 about David Benivites. He looked really sharp against Caleb Plan. I know you've 684 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,639 been asked about him a couple of weeks ago. You obviously knocked Caleb Plan 685 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,199 out. He came awfully close. But Caleb's got that kind of heart and 686 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,679 determination. He is undefeated. He will be your WBC mandatory. Oh, 687 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,880 I'd like to know if you would agree that you are the undisputed champion. 688 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,960 But do you believe that at one hundred and sixty eight pounds he's the undisputed 689 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,719 number one challenger? And how are how interested are you in that fight at 690 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,920 some point in the near future after a bibol rematch. You know that I'm 691 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:46,079 being in easy to situation a lot of times, and and I'm good with 692 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,920 that. I'm good with that. I don't I don't care who is there. 693 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000 I just want to make fights and make history. But right now, 694 00:44:54,159 --> 00:45:00,719 look, I think the wall is just my goal right now. But uh, 695 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,400 in the future, was he what happened with that fight? Something that 696 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,840 interests you though? Yeah? Of course, very good. Canell. Thank 697 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,480 you very much for taking time to talk to me today. I really appreciate 698 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,280 it. Look forward to watching you on May six. I wish you're nothing 699 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,119 but the best. Thank you. Then, great job. As always, 700 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,079 they're talking with him and again it's about to be fight week. It is. 701 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,280 You know, we like to do nostalgia on the programs. It is 702 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,039 gonna be a little bit nostalgic because he hasn't fought in Mexico and over a 703 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,000 decade. Am I correct? Because you always correct me. He's not had 704 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:37,239 a world title fight in Mexico or was it only an early career world title 705 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,360 fight in Mexico's It was an early career title fight. I believe it was 706 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,360 the Kermit Centron fight. But it's been it's been a long time, not 707 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,119 only in Mexico, and it's been even longer since he's fought in Guadalajara, 708 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,639 which is his hometown. So you know, Cannello was really stoked for it. 709 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,199 I mean when I was talking to him, and the thing is when 710 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,199 people hear those interviews, I could see Canello because we're on a zoom call, 711 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,639 and he was as chipper and as happy as could be. He's so 712 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,360 excited to be fighting at home. I maybe it's not the biggest megafight in 713 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,159 terms of Cannello's career obviously, but you know what, he left money on 714 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:08,599 the table to take the fight home, and he wants to give the fans 715 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,840 a big time fight. He's, like I said, he's taking the haircut, 716 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,280 so you know, it's not like he's fighting for free. Obviously, 717 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,360 but he's not making the kind of money he's made so much money he can 718 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,880 do that. And you have to understand, I'm not saying you, Dan 719 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,599 you to the public. He cares as much because you've told us this before 720 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,400 about this not only being on pay per view. But if I'm not mistaken, 721 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:30,920 what didn't you tell us that the Triple G third fight was also on 722 00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:36,119 over the year Mexico TV. He insisted on that in the negotiation. I 723 00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,440 don't remember if that's the case, but a couple of times his pay per 724 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,960 views have been that way in Mexico because he wants to give back to the 725 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,280 fans that maybe can't afford to pay per view. This is a humongous deal 726 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,079 in Mexico that he is fighting in Mexico, and it's huge for him to 727 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,920 be able to fight back in Mexico. That's one other thing about the Canello 728 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,280 Rider fight is that in a lot of territories around the world where the zonas 729 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880 in those countries you know they're in like one hundred and eighty or two hundred 730 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,280 marks or something like that, the vast majority of them are not pay per 731 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,039 view. So if you are I believe this is the case, If you 732 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,719 are interested to watch Canello versus Rider, and you live in like Italy, 733 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,480 it's not a paper. You just get it as part of your subscription. 734 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,840 The same way here in America, we got the first fight between Chris you 735 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,440 Bank and Liam Smith, for example, we got that as a regular part 736 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,880 of our just his own baggage. If you were living in the United Kingdom, 737 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,519 that was a sky Box Office pay per view. So depending on the 738 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,719 country you are, it's not necessarily on pay per view. So look, 739 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,519 Canello, as he said in the interview, he was excited to be going 740 00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:37,199 home, you know, and he's looking forward to being in front of that 741 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,800 big crowd at home. He's given Rider the proper respect that he deserves. 742 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,840 I know, Writer may not be a superstar, but he's a solid component 743 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,079 contender slash mandatory slash interim title holder. He's been in the ring with some 744 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,159 good guys. He's coming off back to back solid wins against Daniel Jacobs and 745 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,280 against Zach Parker. And you know, when you are at the top of 746 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,960 the game the way Cannello is, you're not going and you're also active. 747 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,960 Every single fight is just simply not going to be against number two or number 748 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,519 one or King Gong or whatever. And so he's coming off the year where 749 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,719 he lost to BiVO. He had the big win although overcooked against Scannadi Glofkin, 750 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,000 he had surgery on the wrist. This is the first fight since the 751 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,719 injury, so to me it made sense. It doesn't. I'd have no 752 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,400 problem with him going home testing out the hand, possibly setting him a much 753 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,239 bigger fight later in the year against a Bible for example, in a rematch, 754 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,880 or or if there's something else, but taking this match on in this 755 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,559 spot at home. It's going to be a big event and good for Canelo. 756 00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:36,440 You know, he's running his career the way he wants to do it. 757 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,039 He doesn't have to answer to anybody except for himself and his people. 758 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,880 He's doing it his own way. And I take my hat off to him 759 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480 for that, because he has given us most of the biggest fights that we'd 760 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,599 wanted to see. Good enough, if it'll be Canelo fight week next week 761 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,239 as part of Sinko Tomile Weekend, Sinko Tomio on Friday, and then obviously 762 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:59,599 the Saturday night title fight on the sixth in Guadalajara, Okay. Usually on 763 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:04,320 the preview. We have different options or at least we have one prominent world 764 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,920 title fight, et cetera. We don't really have that. For this weekend, 765 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,000 we do have Williams Zapeta lightweight main event. Timi Arbelada is the opponent. 766 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,360 Give me more on this one in Arlington, Texas for this fight, 767 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,440 car, give me a little bit on it real quick. Then we'll get 768 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,920 to some fight news, some nostalgia and be done. Sure. I mean, 769 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,360 Williams Zapeta is one of the best lightweights out there. I mean he 770 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,320 may not have the name recognition or the fan base, let's say, or 771 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,079 the or the high you know, pound for pound or divisional ranking of other 772 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,199 fighters in that weight class, like Devin Haney, the undisputed champion, or 773 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,960 Shakur Stevenson or Vasili Lomachenko or some of the other better well known lightweights. 774 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,679 But he's a dangerous guy. He's a south pot with great punching power. 775 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,599 And when they were plotting out the calendar, originally Zapeta was supposed to be 776 00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,679 on the pay per view in the Golden Boys spot that was on the Tank 777 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:00,480 Ryan Fight last week when the fight between Virgil Ortiz and the WBA Regular title 778 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,159 holder Amanta Stanionis was postponed for a second time because of the ongoing medical issue 779 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,559 that Virgil Ortiz had. Golden Boy wanted to keep the show alive. They 780 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,960 have a lot of undercard fighters they wanted to get active. They have obviously 781 00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:15,199 want to be able to put on events, so they worked things out with 782 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,719 the Zone to substitute to keep the card together, but a new main event. 783 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,320 Williams Zapeta was moved off of the pay per view and now they have 784 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,760 him fighting Arboletta in the main event, and so that's what he's doing now. 785 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,159 I know that Williams Epeta is a fun fighter to watch. He's twenty 786 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,119 seven and oh with twenty three knockouts, and Arboletta, while maybe not a 787 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,719 huge name, he's got a good record nineteen and two with fourteen knockouts. 788 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,000 He's one of a few fights in a row. He did get stopped by 789 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:47,239 Chris Colbert in a jew or lightweight interim title fight back in twenty twenty, 790 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,639 but he's not a bum or anything like that. So is this the biggest 791 00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,000 main event we've ever seen? No? But I actually think it's not a 792 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,679 bad fight, and you know, maybe not the deepest undercard ever, But 793 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,840 again, if you're looking for boxing on Saturday night, this is it. 794 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,159 I don't have to put out a tweet that said there's no box and call 795 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,039 your mother because there is a card to watch on that show. Obviously, 796 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,239 I would much prefer seeing the fight take place finally between Standionis and Virgil Ortiz. 797 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,159 That'll be that's being rescheduled for July, as long as everything is good 798 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,800 with Virgil ortiz as health. But Williams the Paid is one of these guys 799 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,239 in the lightweight division who's making some noise and looking for some kind of big 800 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,199 opportunity, and Arbiletta is like a decent opponent for him to face. I 801 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:30,679 mean, he did come off his biggest win. Williams Petty defeated Jojo Diez 802 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,800 in his last fight and then just beat him but you know, pretty handily 803 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,239 routed him and on the scorecards. So he's just kind of keeping things going 804 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280 and he's in there with a solid opponent and what can I say, It's 805 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,599 again not the greatest fight of all time, but you know what, it's 806 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,559 a watchable fight. Like I like watching Williams the paida because you don't see 807 00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,280 a lot of South paw lightweights with that kind of punching power, the fight 808 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,679 with the kind of aggression that Williams a Paida does. So I'm looking forward 809 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,880 to watching them fight. All Right, good enough on the one fight card, 810 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,880 some quick fight news and then some nostalgia Alexander Usik. We know that 811 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:07,440 Daniel Dubois is the mandatory challenger, the secondary buildolder for the WBA. You 812 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:13,960 have been digging and it looks like his fight is becoming more of a reality, 813 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,440 including the where, and interesting on the where this might happen. Go 814 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,320 ahead and give me a little more on that. So Alex Krassiak, who 815 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,920 is the promoter for Alexander Usik, has been trying to work things out with 816 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,920 this fight, and it's one thing for him to go make a deal with 817 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,480 Frank Warren, who is the promoter for Daniel Dubois. I mean there, 818 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,679 I don't think there's any question they're gonna be able to get something done. 819 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,480 I think most people figure, you know what, it's going to wind up 820 00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,320 in the UK because he was gonna fight Tyson Fire in the UK. He 821 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,920 fought Anthony Joshua in the UK in one of their two fights. You know 822 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,920 he's he loves the UK. He won an Olympic gold medal in the UK. 823 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,480 But it turns out that it may not be in the UK because Krasiak 824 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:52,280 has got a relationship with one of the top promoters in Poland who puts on 825 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,440 regular shows, did a show last week and they're talking about the possibility of 826 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,599 having this fight this summer, which has always been the timeframe to have it 827 00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,159 take place in Poland. And why Poland? Now? You can't really do 828 00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:06,280 a professional boxing in Ukraine right now, given what's happening with the war with 829 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,239 Russia. But there's anybody that follows the news for two seconds knows there are 830 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,079 literally millions of people who fled Ukraine and went over the border into Poland who 831 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,360 are now settled in Poland and living in Poland. And so the closest place 832 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,480 he could probably do a fight to being at home in Ukraine will be to 833 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,599 do a fight in Poland. So the conversation has been to do possibly do 834 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,719 his mandatory against Ubad this summer in Poland, which, obviously if they did 835 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,039 do that would be a very large Ukrainian crowd. I'm sure to come to 836 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,840 watch him fight. Gonna impress you here, We'll do a little geography thing 837 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,039 as it relates to this. So Poland is a northern neighbor to Ukraine. 838 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,639 Ukraine is as south of Russia. But that you're right, that's where a 839 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,599 lot of people fled. The equivalent would be like in the United States if 840 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:52,159 you went north to Canada. Let's say if you went up to Canada and 841 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,440 one part of Canada. So this is realistic that he would have a lot 842 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,280 of fans at that fight. This kind of makes sense. What kind of 843 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,519 time frame are we talking because I still have concerns we haven't heard this. 844 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,920 I rely on you, but I don't know when du Block can be ready 845 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,199 off the knee injury house. It's going to be, But what do you 846 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,039 hear? By all accounts, this fight probably if it gets finalized, would 847 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,320 probably be you know, they got to figure out the venues and the dates 848 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,639 and everything. You're looking at probably July or August, which fits within the 849 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:22,079 time frame. Uh that that USI spoke about that Alex Crosser gets spoke about 850 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,679 that, the WBA is okay with that, DAWA supposedly gonna be okay to 851 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,079 go h so that it'll be a summer fight. And you know one thing 852 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,599 about him fighting in Poland. You know, he fought a lot of his 853 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,440 early fights of his career in Ukraine. But if you take a look at 854 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,400 the record of Alexander Ussek, he is literally like one of the most ultimate 855 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,639 road warriors we've ever seen because he won when he became undisputed. You know, 856 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,760 he won his first title, if I'm not mistaken, he did it 857 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,840 in uh in Latvia on the opponent and h Myer's bread as this home turf. 858 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,000 He fought in Germany against Marcle Hook. He when he became the undisputed 859 00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:01,039 champion, he did it in Russia, you know, in his opponent's hometown 860 00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:06,320 to unify. You mean the guys fought in the United States against Americans. 861 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,119 I mean, the guy is the ultimate road warrior. Like I said, 862 00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:14,000 he thought Anthony Joshua in Britain. I mean, he is the best when 863 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,880 it comes to have gloves, will travel. So for him to be able 864 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,320 to even get close to Ukraine, where you know there's gonna be Ukrainian folks 865 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,679 that would support, would be a very big deal for him, I think. 866 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,800 I mean, it's it's one thing to win all these fights, but 867 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,679 to do it in front of people that are that are your fans. Is 868 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,559 a big deal. And by the way, I have to imagine that the 869 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,039 Polish fans, given the relationship between the two countries, the Poles are going 870 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,440 to root for him also if he's fighting against a Britain all right, So 871 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,840 we'll wait to hear on that. We do have a top rank announcement that 872 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,880 robes Ramirez is going to be back defending his newly won WBO crown and this 873 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,039 will be on the undercard of the Fulton in a way rescheduled fight for later 874 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:58,800 in the summer, correct, yes, July twenty fifth, As you know, 875 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,440 they rescheduled Fulton versus in a Way to take place in Japan. That 876 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,639 was after in a way suffered a knuckle injury, so that fight was rescheduled, 877 00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,280 you know what, a couple of weeks ago. And to round out 878 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,960 what we'll see here in the United States on ESPN Plus obviously on the channel 879 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,920 where they showed it in Japan, they wanted to add another significant fight and 880 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,280 so they've done so. Robesi Ramirez looked great when he won the title against 881 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,519 Isaac dog Bay back on April first, and this will be his first defense. 882 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,800 He's going overseas. He's going to fight a Japanese fighter, Shimizu, 883 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,159 who is a guy who's eleven and one with ten knockouts. But he's well 884 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:37,000 known to the Japanese fans because he was gained fame as a two time Japanese 885 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,440 Olympian. He won a bronze medal in the two thousand and twelve Olympic Games. 886 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,320 And as a matter of fact, in those Olympic Games, when Chamizu 887 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,920 won his medal, he actually defeated dog Bay, who is the guy that 888 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,559 that Robesi defeated for the vacant title and he ultimately lost to the did the 889 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,360 eventual gold medal winner Lou Campbell, who would go on to become a top 890 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,519 lightweight contender, fight for the title, have a have a big fight with 891 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:05,039 Ryan Garcia, knocked him down, get knocked out. So the guy he's 892 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:09,719 fighting maybe a little older at thirty seven in Chimizu. Satoshi Samizu is his 893 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,320 name. But for our first defense, you know we're again Robisi. Ramirez 894 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,920 doesn't have a big fan base in America. They're looking for a title fight 895 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,679 on this Japanese card and it made a lot of sense. So if you 896 00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:22,280 wake up super early in the morning on July twenty fifth, not only do 897 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,119 you get an awesome matchup between Steve and Fulton and Noya in a way you 898 00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,039 know, you see, uh, Robii Ramire is making this first featherweight title 899 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:32,199 defense against a fighter from Japan that, at least in Japan is a is 900 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,880 a well known commodity, and Ramira is obviously very impressive against Isaac dog Bay 901 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,679 back a few weeks ago here in April. I'm gonna be right back in 902 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,480 the wing in July, back in the ring in July as we should saying, 903 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,920 Hey, let's hear it for being active, because by the way, 904 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,559 you help your own plout. Yes, go ahead. If he wins the 905 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,159 fight on July twenty fifth, Robi Ramis, you know he's going to be 906 00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,519 back in the ring at least a third time this year, because they're not 907 00:57:57,519 --> 00:57:59,760 going to keep him on the shelf, I don't believe unless there's an injury 908 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,599 or something. So you'll see probably most likely Robesi Ramirez back in the ring 909 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,000 if he wins, you know, in the later part of the year. 910 00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:09,480 All right, quickly, Sonny Edwards, by the way, newly signed by 911 00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:15,079 match Room, will have a defense coming in June also tell us more about 912 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:19,320 that. Yeah, so he signed with match Room Boxing after being freed from 913 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,039 Robellum and all that stuff that was going on. He's an undefeated fighter with 914 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,320 a big personality, good boxer, and he signed with match Room Boxing. 915 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,320 And the thing was, the idea was he wants a unification fight, which 916 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,360 is something that's very doable in terms of Naturroom because now they are the promoter 917 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,840 for Sonny Edwards. They are the co promoter of Julio Cesar Martinez, who 918 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,559 was the WBC title holder, and they are also the promoter for the WBO 919 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,320 Tide holder, which is Jesse Bammar Rodriguez. Scranted Bama. Rodriguez is going 920 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,079 to be sidelined most likely until the later part of the year because of the 921 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,239 jaw injury that he suffered. But the point is things are set up for 922 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,000 these unifications, but they couldn't. They didn't want Sonny to just come in 923 00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,639 and have to wait several more months. So they got him a fight in 924 00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,400 June and shake off the rust and look forward to a unification most likely after 925 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,760 that. But before that happens, he's got to take on an undefeated fighter 926 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,880 named Andre's Campos from Chile. It headlines the mat Room card on his own 927 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,280 June tenth. If Sonny Edwards outboxes the guy like I think most people expect, 928 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,719 he will, I think we're going to see one of those unification fights 929 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,480 at the end of the year. Probably not Damn Rodriguez. He will probably 930 00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,840 won't come back into that caliber or fight off the jaw injury. But Julio 931 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,280 Cesar Martinez is in the co feature defending his title on the Canelo John Ryder 932 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,519 card. If he comes through that fight, it seems to me there would 933 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,079 be no reason why Matchum wouldn't move forward and try to do Sonny Edwards versus 934 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,280 Martinez, which, by the way, stylistically is a fascinating fight because Edwards 935 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,800 is the pure consummate boxer. Martinez is the comb straight at you gunslinger, 936 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,159 and we'll see who style can be imposed on the other man if it happens. 937 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:49,440 All right, I love this too, because we're just going over things. 938 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,559 You wanted to make sure that we make mention that Floyd Mayweather's going to 939 00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,639 have another exhibition, and you even use the word mock. We need to 940 00:59:55,639 --> 01:00:00,599 be able to mock this fight. Is this legit? He is going to 941 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:06,719 fight an exhibition fight against the grandson of gangster John Gotti in the United States, 942 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,719 the deceased gangster. This is legit. This is not make believe, 943 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:14,440 you know, just for attention, they're actually allegedly going to have an exhibition. 944 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,800 We're taping this podcast on Thursday, and before we started taping this, 945 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,719 I actually went on the link and was watching a little bit of the stream 946 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,679 of their press commerce that they had in Miami. So, yeah, Floyd 947 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:30,119 Mayweather will have his seventh exhibition match since retiring in twenty seventeen after defeating Connor 948 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:34,960 McGregor, in which many people would view that as an exhibition match also even 949 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,119 though accounted. But yeah, John Gotti the third is in fact the grandson 950 01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:45,880 of the late mobster John Gotti. He's actually had two professional boxing matches. 951 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,119 He is two and oh with one knockout. He's thirty years old from Oyster 952 01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,599 Bay, New York, which is on Long Island. Before he turned to 953 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,360 professional boxing, he was five and one as an NNA boxer, and now 954 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,760 he's fighting an exhibition against Floyd may Weather. And I guess my first thought 955 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,719 was, I wish they could have done a rematch with my with your boy 956 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,639 DEGI just to make it. I'm joking. I mean, look, it's 957 01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:13,800 one of these things. I mean, I've never had a quarrel with Floyd. 958 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,000 If he can get the money to put on these types of events where 959 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,840 he has no chance of losing quote unquote because they don't render scores anyway, 960 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,159 then go do it. But my question is what did the promoters ha in 961 01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,199 it? How can they make money exactly? Who are the looney tunes out 962 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:35,440 there that are buying this? Because I'm the biggest degenerate in the world, 963 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,320 and I have to admit, like I've I've watched some of Floyd's other exhibitions, 964 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,679 but after like the first couple, like I didn't, I stopped buying. 965 01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:44,800 Enough to tell the truth, I don't know if he's a DEGI. 966 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,000 I don't know if he's a DEGI one, but it's the most recent one 967 01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:52,159 that he had in London that I that could not could not have made anything 968 01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,320 because there was no one there at the O two arena. They barely had 969 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,519 a couple of thousand, if that, they may not have even had fifteen 970 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,679 hundred people at that end. By the way, now this will probably have 971 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,519 more people there. I understand that in Florida. It's going to be in 972 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:09,079 South Florida coming. What's that I need to know if my boy TJ is 973 01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:12,880 going to cover it, since you would want me to regionally go, make 974 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,760 time to go down for for Mayweather Gotti the Third, not the Mayweather Gotti 975 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,079 three fight. They haven't fought twice for Mayweather Gotti the Third? Is he 976 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,079 so so? John Gotti was known as teflon Don because they could never convict 977 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,840 him of anything. What is this? Is this teflon light? Is that 978 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,280 his nickname? Teflon uh? Imitation Teflon? I don't know what this is 979 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,400 for John Gotti. Here here's the funny, the funniest thing about this exhibition. 980 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:37,960 And we've probably already given it like more than it desserts. But I 981 01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:43,000 gotta tell you this. In the press announcements that I received, did I 982 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:45,159 stop you, hold on? Hold on? Are you going where I think 983 01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,159 you're going? I just saw what they're calling this fight? Is that where 984 01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:52,239 you're going? Let me go there? Tell them, tell them they're actually 985 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:58,679 have the audacity to call this fight as like a title. Last names matter, 986 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,239 like any anybody gives a shit that he's that John Gotti, like like, 987 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,440 if you like, does anybody care that John got well? But you 988 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:09,320 know they're playing off the whole social justice Black lives matter or is it all 989 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:15,320 lives matter? I don't know. This is last last names matter is the 990 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,719 name of the promotion, and we've now given it like three minutes two and 991 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,119 a half or three minutes here on the podcast for Mayweather and Gotti the grandson, 992 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,119 John Gotti the Third. I thought, like, it's it is he 993 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:32,239 fighting a rematch with my my dearly beloved long uh, the late great Arturro 994 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,079 Gaddy. But no, it's with an a oh, Gotti Gotti with an 995 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,199 oh. Anyway, I just think that because you are our big fight weekend 996 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,800 regional regional correspondent to Miami, that I need to be at Mayweather Gotti the 997 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,079 Third, I have a suggestion at the four Game place, and before you 998 01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,559 go to cover this great event, did you line up an interview with your 999 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:58,719 boy Degie to talk about what it's like? Now we can move on, 1000 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,679 all right, let's move on some nostalgia. By the way, this is 1001 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:09,800 the anniversary week. It was on Thursday of Rocky Marciano's epic one punch knockout 1002 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,880 of Jersey Joe Walcott, which I realized we're going way back. This is 1003 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,559 your grandfather's boxing, your father's boxing, your grandfather's boxing back in the fifties. 1004 01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:19,920 But that is still Raphael. You got to agree. It's a glacious, 1005 01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:25,440 booming knockout where Jersey Joe Walcott, who was winning that fight for a 1006 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,400 lot of it, is knocked out sitting on a knee and then topples over 1007 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,960 face first onto the ground after that punch. Epic punch, epic photograph. 1008 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:38,079 We wrote about it actually in the nostalgia on Big Fight Weekend dot com. 1009 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,599 All right, so anyway, that is this week, that anniversary from the 1010 01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:46,440 nineteen fifties, good lord, virtually eighty years ago, but more recently than 1011 01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:50,199 that, a fight you were at, this fight, this James Tony fight. 1012 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,239 Give me more nostalgia from this week, and then we got to get 1013 01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:56,039 out of here. I mean, listen, James Tony. This fight we're 1014 01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,320 talking about was on April twenty six, two thousand and three, so twenty 1015 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,280 years ago. This past went on Wednesday of this week, and to this 1016 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,880 day it's still one of the greatest action fights I've ever covered at ringside. 1017 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,480 It was at the Foxwoods Casino, James Tony challenged the then IBF cruiserweight champion 1018 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,440 Vasilli Jiroff, who had won the gold medal in the nineteen ninety six Olympic 1019 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,559 Games, was voted as the winner of the Val Barker Trophy, which is 1020 01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:25,840 the most outstanding boxer of the tournament. He was an undefeated champion. The 1021 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,159 cruiserweights got even less love than than they got now, but James had made 1022 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,760 a comeback and they put this fight on. It was on HBO, and 1023 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,320 it was an absolutely hillacious fight. If you ranked the best fights in the 1024 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,920 history of that great series Boxing after Dark, this would definitely be, you 1025 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,760 know, in your top few, just an absolutely sensational fight, super close 1026 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,960 fight. It felt like everybody that was there. As it turned out, 1027 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,719 James won a fairly wide decision, but if you go and watch the they 1028 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,679 have a great audio capture of his trainer, Freddie Roach in the corner after 1029 01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,440 round eleven where Freddie clearly felt like his man was down and was like, 1030 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,519 James, you got to put this guy in his ass. I'm serious. 1031 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,679 And James Tony went out there and put this man on his ass. And 1032 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:13,440 the commentary that night from Emmanuel Steward when Jim Lampley they were working by themselves. 1033 01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:15,960 Larry Merchant missed that show. There was some reason he couldn't be there, 1034 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,719 a family function or something that had come up. So it was the 1035 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,760 two of them. But Emmanuel and Jim were like fans. They were like, 1036 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,880 oh, look at this, can you believe It's like they really made 1037 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,719 it an enjoyable experience. So I didn't see that till after the fact, 1038 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,559 obviously when you're there. But I have to say because of where we were 1039 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,480 sitting in the media, and they were in the very small room the Fox 1040 01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:38,440 Theater at the Foxwoods Casino, which might only held about two thousand for a 1041 01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,880 fight if that, and it wasn't even full. It was a really bad 1042 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,679 atmosphere. Actually, we were sitting so close to the commentators, right behind 1043 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:49,159 them. I could actually hear the commentators as they were speaking during the call 1044 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:54,239 of the fight. I could hear Harold Letterman giving his scores between fights. 1045 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,320 That's how I was sitting right behind them, so I actually was able to 1046 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,639 hear a lot of what they were saying as it was happening. But they 1047 01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:01,719 put on a great fight. Harold, by the way, had to fight 1048 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,360 a draw at one thirteen to one thirteen, which I went and looked up. 1049 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,000 But this is one of the all time great fights and what it did 1050 01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:13,039 was it launched James from being the cruiserweight champion, which he never defended. 1051 01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,599 He immediately went up to heavyweight. Later in that year he ended up knocking 1052 01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:20,320 out Evander Holyfield, and that was the combination of the holy Field victory, 1053 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,199 which was a big deal at the time, plus the winning of the cruiserweight 1054 01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:27,800 title against Giroff. It was considered number one in that weight class and it 1055 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,599 was all It was just a tremendous battle. James Tony became the two thousand 1056 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:35,159 and three Fighter of the Year by most outlets, most organizations. I actually 1057 01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:39,760 sat with him at the Boxing Writer's Dinner in two thousand and four when he 1058 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,000 got that award, and it was a great fight. And I think if 1059 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,079 you look at James Tony's career, he's in the Hall of Fame. He 1060 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,840 obviously had some issues with some peed tests later in his career, etc. 1061 01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:53,280 But that stacks up as one of one of his great moments of his career 1062 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,039 was winning that fight against your of a great fight and if you didn't see 1063 01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,280 it, twenty years ago on Wednesday, go back and find it on YouTube. 1064 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,079 Is there awesome, awesome fight? Maybe TJ in the conversation as one 1065 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,280 of the top two three cruiserweight fights of all time. I would put it 1066 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:12,559 right there with the Vander Holyfield's great win against Dwight Muhammad Kawee when first world 1067 01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:16,880 final ass from the eight fifteen round Barnburner that was on ABC. But there's 1068 01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,720 there's a few cruiserweight battles like that, and this is absolutely one of them. 1069 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,479 Love it, Love you with the nostalgia again, I might fire that 1070 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,920 up this weekend because we don't have a lot of action. We do have 1071 01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:30,039 the Golden Bullet card. Yeah, it'd be perfect week gonna do. We 1072 01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:31,399 got the Golden Buncher Boy. Did you over to watch? All right? 1073 01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:39,199 You stop? Last names matter? Okay? That is a full show again, 1074 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,920 great job with Canello Canelo fight week next week, you and I we 1075 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,319 will come off the weekend with something some form of a recap including the SEPETA 1076 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,239 main event. As again, Golden Boy has savaged that card in Arlington, 1077 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:55,880 Texas. We do need to say because of the lack of I haven't said 1078 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,239 this earlier in the podcast, because of the lack of big name fights, 1079 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,920 there's not a bet Us Boxing show live one Eastern time on Friday on their 1080 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:06,279 platforms. We'll come back for Canelo Fight week for that with bet Us as 1081 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:11,880 well for Canelo Rider next Friday at one Eastern time. We're typically there Fridays 1082 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,439 at one Eastern time. For now, though, I believe we are good. 1083 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,760 Enjoy the rest of the weekend, Dan ray Field, that's going to 1084 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,800 have lots of playoff action. It's gonna have NFL Draft stuff, It's gonna 1085 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,159 have a little bit of boxing, but good stuff with Canello. Have a 1086 01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:26,640 great weekend, and we'll talk to you coming off the weekend as well. 1087 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,640 That sounds good. Appreciate TJ. There is Dan ray feel still wanting an 1088 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,279 answer from de Zone about his money and his rayplay. Like a lot of 1089 01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,319 other people, I'm merely TJ Reeves. Thank you for finding us. Follow 1090 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,600 or subscribe to this podcast feed The Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. Wherever you 1091 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,720 get podcast Apple podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, you get all of our 1092 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,800 content, including the Fight Freach, Shoe Night recap always off the weekend that's 1093 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,119 usually out by Monday preview going into the weekend on the preview obviously, and 1094 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:54,479 then we come off the weekend with a recap as well, and then you 1095 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,840 get a lot of stuff a lot of times in between right here on the 1096 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,800 Big Fight Weekend podcast feed for Dan ray Feel, I'm TJ Reeves. Everybody, 1097 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,479 have a great weekend as we close out April. It's Canello Week next 1098 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,439 week we'll be talking about it on the Big Fight Weekend podcast Feed.