Hello, and welcome to the show. I know you're expecting some type of
costume. Sorry about that. Happy Halloween to all out there, and I
just a couple of things I want to talk about here, little housekeeping,
et cetera. So recently I was on Tom Wheeler, he's a screenwriter.
And Dave Foley, who is a comedian from Canada that was in Kids in
the Hall and stuff like that, he was on this show. Dave Folly
was very well versed in UFO, so they started a UFO show and I
was on their show. I had a blast with them. These guys really
sink their teeth and really have really good knowledge when it comes to the UFO
topic. So I put that in the show notes. You can see it
there. It's down below in YouTube. And speaking of YouTube, every Thursday
night, starting at eight pm Eastern, for two hours, I'm going to
be on this show called UAP Crossfire. I'm going to play the intro to
that so you can get an idea UAPs unidentified anomalist phenomenon. Are they extraterrestrial,
interdimensional time travelers in origin or are they simply a result of top secret
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with a no holds bard approach on uat cross Line. So that'll be every
Thursday at eight pm Eastern eight to ten pm Easter and right here on this
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of their social media sites, but it's going to be hosted as well on
YouTube right here, so check that out. The first few shows are recorded.
Our first live show is going to be on the sixteenth. We had
to pre record a few. Commander Cobra, who's been on the show.
He's a great guy. He has quite a schedule. He's a retired but
not retired pilot. He's always off doing something so he'll be on but occasionally.
But the one on the sixteenth that's live. We're going to have Kevin
Randall in his place on that one, so it should be interesting. We
get in a couple of debates. It's it's it's it's a lot of fun
and let's see next week. I am thinking about doing a Collin show,
so right now as it stands, if all goes well, I'd like to
do a callin show. So think of a good some good questions or if
you've had a UFO encounter, you'd like to talk about Colin next week and
that will be Tuesday, and that will be November seventh, election day.
You can talk about having to vote now, I'm just kidding. You do
not want to talk about that anyway. I want to talk quickly about our
last week's guest, Scott Cassell. I've had of all the guests I've had
on this show, and I've been blessed with some really great ones. I've
never had more reaction to a person on my show than last week. And
we will be hearing from him in the future, definitely. A lot of
people have reached a lot of I don't want to get into it too much,
but we will be seeing him in different types of media. I'm almost
certain of it in the future. So, and I'm really glad for him
because I think he's really a down to earth great guy and deserves the type
of attention that the show GARNEREDE So I'm really really grateful for that. So
without further ado, I'm bringing in David Mason. He was on once before
with Carolyn Corey and David Altman, and he's here by himself. I wanted
to talk to him ever since he was on then because he just knows the
gadgets and the technology, and he was fascinating all this season Inventor. He's
a brilliant guy. I've had a lot of conversations with him on the phone,
and it's my pleasure to bring him out board. Welcome to the show,
David. Hey, thank you, Martin. It's great to be here.
Yeah, and you've been You told me on the phone. You know
that you you went out, So it's quite a story. I'll let you
tell it. But you went out to Skinwalk a ranch. You thought it
was going to be one episode, and then they got they shipped your stuff
back. Yeah, it was the genesis. I guess I'll just start with
the genesis of this whole thing. So I've known Travis Taylor and Eric Bard
for quite a while and when I was working on the movie set, a
tear in the Sky this is the movie with William Shatner. I had also
brought all of the research equipment that was used in that expedition, and so
Travis Taylor was on set and I showed him all of the equipment and the
inventions. He tried them out and he asked me, is this all of
your equipment? I said, yes, I own everything that's on this rooftop
except the one camera that's owned by Carolyn Corey. And at that time he
he said, I've known you, but I didn't know you owned us this
amount of equipment, and I'd like to bring you on Skinwalker Ranch. And
at the time, I was under a contract with Omnium, and I didn't
want to violate that contract. I always worked within the spirit of a contract,
so I elected not to participate in season three, even though I was
invited just to make an appearance and smile on camera, and I really just
wanted to go in there with everything that I owned, and so I waited
out season three and when season four came along. When filming the season four
and my contract had expired with Omnium, skin Walker management contacted me and asked
me to come out and do some experiments. So I shipped some equipment and
it was a fantastic experience. First just working with every staff member, the
production crew, and the cast members. Highly intelligent, very polite people,
a great sense of roaderie in what we were doing. And I was really
pleasantly surprised when I set up my gear. Everything worked, and we recorded
some phenomenon that I thought was just really strange, and I thought, well,
that's that's on my bucket list. It's over. And after I spent
a week there filming, I came back to my office in Washington State and
it was back to the daily grind of running a business. And then I
get notifications that my equipment is arriving at the loading dock from Skinwalker Ranch.
So I go to the loading dock and start to open up one of the
transit cases just to make sure my quickness wasn't damaged, and my phone rings,
and the Skinwalker management said, we've been talking about you and we really
want to bring you back to make you a big part of our season,
and so you just sent all my equipment here, And he said, well,
we were talking about you, but we had the meeting when your equipment
was transit and it wasn't They couldn't really rerouted or anything, and so I
had to relabel everything and reship and I also included additional equipment. So then
I sent down eight scientific grade clear thermal cameras and a couple of cameras which
I re engineered to have a new function, which is it's a new transfer
function so that it has a differential clear And that was my unique circuitry installed
in the cameras and it's not commercially available, and so shift these cameras down
and for quite a long time, I went down there and worked in their
experiments callice equipment, and I wasn't expecting that everything was going to go as
well as it did, and I just left my equipments after ranch. For
a couple of months, I just sat there and I would fly back to
my office in Washington State and work for a week, and then oh,
I got to get back to the ranch. And I go back to the
ranch, work another week, and then go back to my office. And
it's just I lost track of how many times I traveled back and forth.
And there were a couple of times I could have worked there, but I
had to take care of business at the office that I couldn't I couldn't do
everything at once, But what a fantastic experience and what a fantastic group of
people work with I've got. Now we seem to be having a little bit
of an audio issue. Are you Are you using a mic? There?
Is it? Is it quieter or is it louder? It sounds people are
saying it sounds like you're far off, a little bit garbaged. Okay,
a little bit garbled. Okay, let me get closer and let me use
on the mike. No, I'm using the microphone here on the How's this
is this any better? Yeah? You're probably gonna have to be up up.
Okay, I'll get closer to it. So it must just be drowning
out. It may be some of the auxiliary equipment behind me drowning it out.
Well, uh yeah. Skin Walker Ranches is quite an interesting place,
and Brandon I had talked to him offline and I sort of got invited out
out there. But he had to check, you know, with I forget
who he had to check with the studio or something whatever the filming. You
know, it would be too much of a big deal basically because they would
basically basically, basically, it would have to be babysat to be out there.
In other words, you know, they can't just let me out there
wandering. But my producer and I we were all excited about head and out
out there. But I don't think that's that's going to happen anytime soon.
But I just got to tell you what someone said to me. They said,
oh, you don't want to go out there, the hitchhiker effect.
So I want to know, have you heard any anybody talk about that directly?
Yes, there's some people who did experience that, and I believe them.
I just didn't think there was any because they kept it. I didn't
talk about it in media or anything. I certainly didn't experience it. When
I was there. I got a sense of presence, if anything to describe.
It's like you're being watched, but it's not a menacing or threatening in
any way. You just feel like there's something watching you. Cool and as
long as you behave yourself, nothing will happen. And that was as long
as you stand in line. The only thing that happened that was uncomfortable.
It was on my first day of filming. We were standing in a circle
and we were dialoguing, and this dialogue was going on for about ten minutes,
and a large bug was biting me on the back of the neck and
it was stinging really bad, and I had to stand smiling in front of
the camera the whole time while this was going on. And then as soon
as the cameras went down, I quickly slapped and there was a puddle of
blood in my hand and a bug falling down, and everybody said, why
didn't you do that? I didn't want to wreck the scene, but I
had a big wealth on the back of my neck, and they next time
that happened, just lap, it will reshoot. So I just beared with
the torture. But yeah, a lot of biting bugs that were annoying.
No, when you say if you step out a line, what exactly does
that mean? I kind of think that whatever presence it is, if you
want to call it that, it's more like I think if your mental state
is of some form of selfishness or ill intent, you know that maybe that's
how things would happen against you. I didn't feel threatened in any way,
that was the thing. It was never that, And I thought, well,
maybe it's the power of suggestion. You know, if I send you
to a facility, an old house, and I say it's haunted, there's
ghosts running around, you might have that inclination to think that there's a ghost
in that house because someone told you. But in this case, you know,
I know how to keep my perspective where you go into a scene and
expect things. And I certainly saw things which weren't do commented that was seen
an instrumentation that didn't make the cut that I know were truly anomaloist. And
that was another thing that I witnessed that I can't explain. So I know
there's a real genuine phenomenon happening at the ranch. Now do you actually stay
there at the ranch? I mean there's no hotel nearby, right, I
mean no, no, I would. I would work there. We would
start from about three o'clock in the afternoon and then work all the way till
about five in the morning. I mean, just really long hours. And
I remember one after the first episode I was shown and I'm being interviewed and
it's about five in the morning, and I'm just exhausted. I got these
huge bags under my eyes and I'm just trying to stay conscious and at least
articulate a dialogue on this. But this was they worked very hard. They
filmed and do a lot of film. And now a hotel I would stayed
at was in Vernal, so I ended after filming, I would drive all
the way to Vernal and stay at the hotel, which was about twenty eight
five miles from the ranch. M So, oh, did you just say
five miles no, twenty five twenty yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where
I stayed. It was. It was a nice hotel. Yeah, I
would. I would not want to stay there. I could have done it.
There just wasn't any room. I mean, I you know, a
lot of people just stay there and work there, a lot of the crew.
It's a pretty pretty big facility. Now, this is something I think
I've asked people from, maybe Travis or other people, Eric perhaps, you
know, you think of the skin Walker Ranch. You can put it on
the map, you can, you can, you know, clarify its boundaries
and all that. But right, these things no no boundaries, you know,
I mean, right, what is the I'm just curious of what the
spillover is into other areas of these weird and almost things all happening that's probably
not determined yet because we've certainly done a lot of focus at the ranch.
There's experimentation that's being conducted that doesn't get filmed, a lot of things that
are happening, but it's there seems to be some sort of a big focus
at that location. When I entered, I wasn't sure because I hear a
lot of you know, UFO skywatches where somebody says this area is a hotspot
or this area is a hotspot, and you can pretty much name any location
of skywatching that you would deem it as a hotspot. And at the ranch,
I definitely saw an uptick in this and so there was there was something
there. How much that bleeds over I don't know. I wouldn't I would
assume it wouldn't just stop at the borderlines of the property lines, that it
would, it would work beyond those property lines. And it made me concentrated
in the areas where they experienced the most anomalies. And I know they've talked
about this before a lot of times you hear about deposits, you know,
in the geographical deposits like copper, things like that, right, And I
can't remember what if there's any high concentration of any type of metals. There
are you familiar with that? No, I was not privy to any of
the digging that was going on at the time, and so I was not
there when they were drilling, or at least I didn't see it happening while
I was doing my experiments, so I couldn't comment on the minerals that have
been excavated or discovered on that phenomenon. I've seen some of the footage of
what they were recovering, and it does seem a bit odd as to what
they're finding at certain depths where it doesn't seem to fit the geology in what
you would expect from that type of rock. And what are some of the
equipment that you brought out there? Now, I know you've developed a lot
of your own equipment, which I think is pretty fascinating, some of the
things you've created. What are some things that they wanted you to bring out
there and that they actually utilized? Okay, well what we utilized Like on
the first episode which I was shown, which I think was called Something's Up
or I forgot. There was a few episodes, and in that episode I
used this triple spectrum LightWave transmitter which is behind me. You can see I've
got the ultra violet version of it on and then the full spectrum and then
the infrared one you can't see because it's off camera, and then the control
console you see running in the background. That is what I use at Skinwalker
Ranch, and that device. What it does is I can modulate either one
of those sets with whatever content I want up to beyond audio frequency and we
can put it. You can put it data sets. Say you wanted the
band Rush is twenty one to twelve album, you could put it on the
ultraviolet or all three sets of or put other bands, put music, or
put sounds of whales and dolphins if you want, I mean, anything you
want to put on that data set. Or you can also control those using
some of my inventions, which I'll describe later. But this is what we
were using primarily on the first set of experiments, and what we were transmitting
was Eric Bard's one point six gigahertz demodulated signal that he had recorded and he
sampled it to me, and then I looped it on the transmitter and aimed
it over the triangle vicinity to see if we could trigger a response from anomalist
activity, and I think we did at that episode we had something strained show
up. Is that the modulation that he talked about in the past, I'm
not sure if he's talking about this particular thing, and this is we were
using that this transmitter in that episode. I don't know if you've got to
see it, but they actually gave a great animation showing you how this device
works and where it was beaming and what the experiment intension was. And so
the modulation is intensity modulation. It does frequency modulation were called FM modulation,
So when you put in a data set, it'll shift the spectrum of that
light upper and lower band and then as well as amplitude, so much like
an FM broadcast station. And the object is to try to send out of
the electro magnetic spectrum a frequency that is above and beyond anything we're doing in
radio. So in radio we're typically working, you know, in the megahertz
range, and our more advanced communications were going to tans of gigger hurts.
And when I'm transmitting on this LightWave transmitter, we're hitting upwards of eight hundred
terra hurts. And I could only assume that anything of advanced technology would be
using something that has a higher form in the electromagnetic spectrum because you can put
more data sets on it. We're already doing that with fiber optic communications.
We found that we could put more information on a fiber optic cable than sending
an RS signal through wire. And this is where I would assume that anything
with more advanced technology is going to be playing with light or even beyond the
light spectrum. Now what you said there was some type of reaction. Are
there different types of anomalies reacting to different things there or is this just some
type of reaction from when this was induced? When when this was induced,
they saw what was a purple light, and I glanced and I barely saw
it momentarily, it was definitely purple. On camera, it looked blue,
and so it looked more like something that would have a prosaic explanation, but
it was. It was a purple light, and it was kind of lower.
It was descending down on the horizon, and they picked it up on
camera, and I was not looking at that direction. I had my transmitter
going one direction, and then this light was appearing and they alerted it to
my attention and they did catch it on camera, and then Travis had another
object with its abnormality. I think he had his night vision on it and
he recorded some object. And a lot of the times I wasn't able to
look up at the sky. I was looking at my monitors and looking at
Travis's one point six gigger hurts and trying to keep eyes on other things.
So I was relying on the eyes on the skies of other cast members that
were diticipating in the experiments. MM. So is this a lot like,
Oh, I don't know, a lot of downtime. You know, you're
waiting for something to happen. It seems like that that could be the case.
Absolutely yes, and I want to It gives me the opportunity to address
something, and that is I've read some comments where people are saying that,
oh, they're they're faking the data at Skinwalker Ranch because if they they don't
have anything, they got to fly drones or they use computers. That's nonsense.
I've been there. I know what happens. What you don't know is
we filmed several evenings where we spun our wheels, we set up our gear.
We you know, Travis and Eric had their experiments. I had my
experiments set up, everything's running and blazing and ready to go, and we
got nothing but aircraft and bugs and birds, I mean, nothing out of
the ordinary. And guess what happens. That film doesn't get shown because it's
ordinary. There's nothing there, so they just scrap that. And I probably
participated in four or five more other what would have been episodes had there been
any activity, but it just simply wasn't activity, so that that those experiments,
although they were filmed, they were not provided just because there wasn't enough
anomalous objects or things of interest that would have made it into cinema or made
it into production. So it's what I wanted. The things I wanted to
do is dispel that, Oh, you know, these guys are faking it.
It's easy to say that from an armchair debunker role. I mean,
because we watch a lot of programming where there is that kind of content where
they don't have anything, so they'll make something up to try to make things
interesting. Yes, yeah, but there seems to be enough going on there.
And you mentioned earlier that you saw some anomalous things that they didn't make
right hutting. Yeah, And I don't want to, and I don't want
to talk about it because I don't know whether or not it'll get presented or
and it's not my place to do that under the NDA. But I can
just say what I wanted to say, was I know for a fact,
we filmed work. We did a lot of work. There was things that
I thought Eric had recorded that were anomalist, and Travis and myself it didn't
make the cut because it wasn't convincing enough from a cinema standpoint, and it's
it's it's a kind of a hard thing to do when you're trying to do
scientific research because if you're if you're using two measurements and you get a slight,
a tiny discrepancy between these two measurements, and you know how significant it
is from a physics standpoint, But all it is is creating two dots on
a screen or something in a pat form that's not going to convey enough information
to entertain or or or convey something anomalous to most viewers, but it would
it would certainly be to some scientists. And so a lot of times when
you're when you're filming, you're you're wanting something bigger, with a lot of
physical size and mass where it gives us visual anomalies, and that they we
certainly encountered those things, and those those physical anomalies were documented and shown in
some of these episodes. Mm hmm. Now, uh, I know there's
there's still cattle there, right, and there's still someone in the original rant.
So I'm just wondering, you know. I mean, I guess it
would be part of the show if something was happening to them, right,
I mean, they would certainly, yeah, it would be. And I
know they've had they've had some incidences with cattle. I certainly saw the cattle,
didn't encounter anything or witness anything, and not while I was there with
the cattle. I mean I just looked at him. I saw him with
the fleer, I saw him with night vision. But they were just cows
doing their things. Well. The strangest story I read the book that George
Knapp in uh uh keller her. I believe I can't remember who if that's
who it is, or I wrote about Skinwalker Ranch years ago. I read
it and I remember the most bizarre thing that I had heard at that time
was this. It was as if the cow was lifted up in the air
and then dropped as and its head went into this hole, and of course
it was dead and mutilated, you know, but I mean, it was
such an odd ball thing. And the other thing that's really crazy when when
they couldn't find the cows anywhere and they were all crammed into some type of
bin or something and they had Yeah, they got it there. And how
would how would somebody perpetrate a hoax like that? You know? And how
how do you debunk that? I mean, it's it's pretty bizarre. You
can't really figure that one out. It's almost like something is playing a prank
or trying to trigger attention and by by doing these odd things that don't make
any sense. But yeah, what could it be? I mean, we
don't know what it is. Yeah, there's definitely something going on there,
and something unexplainable so far. You know, someday we may figure out what
these things are. But there are places in the world that really make you
wonder, make you wonder if it's interdimensional or you know, I mean,
what the heck? You know, some of the things that have gone on
at skin Work are almost could pass for being an interdimensional you know, the
portal situation and all that. You know, some of the experiments that they've
run and what they get as results are are pretty surprising. And some stuff
that's been shared with me that I just shaking my head. I go,
I don't have any explanation, because I understand when you have instrumentation foul up
or instrumentation purtivations. I mean, we can have those things can happen,
but the kind of data that was recovered wasn't anything by misuse of instrumentation or
miss or instrumentation failure. And it seems to be recurring where they have a
dead spot where just about every GPS or phone or anything that comes within this
area it seems to drop out or data gets lost. It's very very faculiar
of how that happens. Yeah, I mean I watched one of the episodes
when they had this strange thing going on in the helicopter. They were in
the helicopter. Something new it was happening. I can't really remember exactly what
it was, but it was it didn't make any sense whatever, you know,
I mean, a sophisticated piece of equipment to helicopter right, and the
pilot was trying to navigate it, and uh, and people were saying,
well, it must be the wind or it must be something else. A
lot of people like to look for that prosaic explanation for something. And and
because most of the time that's true when you when you take any kind of
anomaly it if you if you just apply that, you're going to probably find
that that'd be factual. But when you go off the word of the pilot,
and the pilot isn't going to jeopardize their reputation, including all of the
various high tech companies who have done experiment experiments at the branch, They're not
going to underscore their name on something that would be uh faith or or misdiagnosed
in any way, because that can be a career ending choice, especially for
a company or a figurehead of a company. Right now, it's just not
going to happen. And I know I've talked with these people and I can
tell they're genuinely intrigued by it because they're instruments behaved a certain way that they
were not expecting. And I didn't have instrumentation failure. I just simply saw
things in my instrumentation that I couldn't explain. That was the real big surprise.
One I'd like to bring up is the experiment that we did in the
episode a frequency occurrence, And in that episode we were using differential Flear.
So this is thermal cameras that I engineered my own circuitry so it would change
the transfer function so it could. What it does is samples your video or
your frame of your video, and it's sample and holds and then if anything
changes within that field of view gets colder or warmer, it'll stand out very
high contrast and easy to detect. So micro changes and temperature. And this
is a little different. Then there is uh Flear thermal cameras that use differential
post video in their gas analysis cameras, and these are done to look for
gas leaks, and it's done post video where they do sample, hold display,
sample whole display in like half second intervals. My circuitry works post micro
bolometer and it gives a lot more sensitivity. There's trade offs between the two
approaches, but I'm just looking for paranormal activity. And what we recorded.
Do you want me to run run the first one? Which one? The
one? Uh? Well no, no, this is this was at skin
Skinwalker. Yes, okay, so at Skinwalker we aimed the differential flear at
the Mesa and we had the Blazing bear Uh playing the drums and singing,
and when this happened, the different far was detecting boulders the size of automobiles
getting hot. Just the boulders they were heating up. They were detected.
The conventional flear didn't detect anything. And I had the cameras pointed parallel and
Eric and Travis were just looking at this, going this is crazy. This
doesn't it doesn't make any sense. And I joked with Eric and I said,
the rocks are getting pissed off, that's why they're getting hot. And
we were seeing this on a consistent basis. Every time they would play,
the boulders would change temperature. When they stopped, the temperatures stabilized, and
we just didn't have any temperature change on the Mesa. And then we had
the striking heat rise that was above the Mesa, which was right above the
petroglyphs where they were discovered, and there was an amazing heat rise. And
then Eric also recovered off the Fleer video, so the videos were being recorded
on my video recorders. And then he revealed the thumb drives that had the
video recordings and found there were two large spheres that kind of disappeared behind the
mesa, and they disappeared behind it. But we actually had scale because we
have the camera field of view which was twenty four by eighteen degrees, and
the objects were clearly you know, one or two degrees in aperture. And
since we knew the distance of the mesa, we could have done some calculations
to get the actual side of the objects, but just by glancing at it,
they had to have been at least ten feet or fifteen feet diameter,
and that probably was covered. But a lot of times when we're describing things
on camera about the technicals, it doesn't get shown because we have to describe
things in a lot of the layman's terms so that the audience can understand.
And that's another thing I want to bring up. When I talked to Travis
and Air off camera, My god, I have never met two guys that
were so intelligent, and it was just a pleasure to speak with them in
times very challenging, and they don't get to show this really on camera because
if they did, they would just go over go over everybody's head, and
it's not entertaining either. You know, you know it's too technical. Yeah,
so, yeah, the differential FLEAR with certainly picked up anomalies that we
weren't able to see with the conventional FLEAR. And I also want to try
this out in bigfoot hunting and things because it's so sensitive against the forest or
mountain ranges that were we can make some other discoveries using this type of technology.
Hmm. Now what about you did send me a couple of these videos
that you recorded, was to record these The videos I recorded were from my
own backyard, and it started to Yeah, before we present these things,
you know, we probably need to talk about a few things, like the
Flear inventions, because people will understand that I'm not just a guy with a
bunch of expensive cameras. I actually engineered circuits within them. There's a Fleer
camera invention that converts heat into sound or cold temperatures into sound, and there's
a YouTube video showing that where I'm aiming this camera at a long wave infrared
heat transmitter and playing music from Peter Gabriel on it, and we can hear
music coming in through a Flear camera that I re engineered. And then there's
also a video of the moon where I designed a long wave infrared telescope where
it's power focal. You can take a scientific grade camera couple it to this
telescope, and I was imaging the Moon, getting details of the creators up
to one hundred magnification, and more importantly, getting passive temperature measurement of the
surface of the Moon. And I have yet to see anyone who's accomplished that.
So in my company, we contract We were a contractor to a thermal
camera manufacturer. I can't say anything beyond that, but that's factual. So
if we're going to go to these Fleer videos, we can probably if you
want to bring those up, we can. We can do that now.
Yeah, sure, I do want to say this though first, that any
of these that we are talking about, they will be in the show notes.
These other things that you've been invented. Sure we have in the YouTube
videos. If you go to the show notes, and the show notes will
be linked to the YouTube text below as well, you can check out all
these videos that you did. So let's and then we have a pretty good
question in chat that I want to put up here, But do you want
to put up the first one? Right? There's one that goes first of
just the item going across the screen. Here we correct, Yeah, go
ahead and do that one. So this was taken September thirtieth, twenty nineteen,
and you'll see it's a trifoil or clover leaf object going across the sky.
Now, if you look at the right hand where there's a color barograph,
that's the calibrated temperature span and it's an NIST traceable calibration. And if
you compare that color of that object to the temperature span, it indicates that
that object was very very cold in its anomalist thing. And there's a lot
more I need to explain about emissivity and as to why this is a mystery.
But we'll be able to answer the question about this object in the next
clip, where if you've got that ready to go, we can see it.
So here's a commercial jet according to ADSB that's the most common is it's
seven forty seven forty seven. And then we got the object again in camera
number two, very very strange shape. It's very cold. It's below minus
sixty three fahrenheit. Now, commercial jets can get that cold if they're up
at say thirty five thousand feet whenever I've recorded a commercial jet at thirty five
thousand feet, it's still white hot dot. That object is still in aperture
or size comparable to the jet. That jet. I've already done the aspect
ratio and the trigonometry, so the camera field of U is twenty four by
eighteen degrees. That jet was at seventy five hundred feet, so and then
that object being cold, if it's at thirty five thousand feet, it is
larger than a seven forty seven if it's indicating its environment. And so this
is what makes it a mystery. When you have the rule of emissivity,
and let me explain about that. A commercial jet being made of aluminum,
it's not very highly emissive. It has a lot of reflection. So most
of what you see as heat on the underside of that jet is actually the
ground base or the soil. The heat radiating upward is long wave infrared reflecting
back under the jet like a mirror back to the camera. So the commercial
jets will always register much hotter than they actually are. Now, if it's
say that was a Black Project stealth bomber, which would have a highamissivity and
low reflectivity, then we were going to see the heat from the cowlings of
the motor or the engines, and it wouldn't appear that massive if it was
up at thirty five thousand feet. So we have this physics problem. How
do you explain something that has this shape and this apparent temperature where if you
apply the rule of emissivity and reflectivity, and my cameras also have programmable you
can put in relative humidity distance of object and lens temperature to make correction factors
if you're going to try to get to the real nitty gritty about how accurate
the temperature measurement. But we can clearly see from that second clip that the
object is much colder than the commercial jet. And this has been something I
have recurringly recorded, not that particular shape. I've had similar shapes, but
they're very cold. And this is the part that makes me think that it's
something else that's going on, because there have been times I have recorded these
objects in the Fleer cameras and I've got more video and then I take out
my Gen three night vision Gentry plus night vision and look for them, and
I can't see that they're not visible in Gen thry night vision and There's been
a couple occasions where I was filming in daylight, I would look up at
the sky and there was absolutely nothing there. And these objects were large enough
that they were if you were to hold your hand out at arm's length and
span your hand, you couldn't miss them. And you know, I've got
better than twenty twenty vision, So I don't know what you know what to
explain from it where it's not in the human visible spectrum, which is like
between three hundred and eighty about seven to fifty nanometers. The night vision will
go out to about one thousand to eleven hundred nanometers. I'm finding these objects
in the thirteen thousand to fourteen thousand nanometer wavelengths and almost as if they're like
they're encroaching in a dimension, or they're just or they're extremely low mass and
they are not showing enough mass against the warmer background, but against the colder
background. And this is the thing I need to clarify, is when you
take a thermal camera of scientific grade, you point it at the sky,
the background sky temperature is much colder than the end ambient air, So you
could be outside in at seventy degrees fahrenheit, and you think, oh,
I'm going to get that if I measure it on a clear sky, you're
probably going to measure minus fifty or something in that neighborhood because the atmosphere will
raise the absolute zero of outer space to a nominal value just by its atmosphere.
And so the ideal situation for recording these objects is you want to have
a cold sky so that the colder objects are easily detected and can be video
recorded. Go ahead, Oh no, no, it's just I was just
going to say, and I didn't mean to interrupt you. It was that
it makes you wonder if these things have always been flying around and we're just
getting the capability to see them in the spectrum. Yeah. And it was
purely by accident when this discovery happened. So it was back in two thousand
and five. I'll never forget. It was May third, two thousand and
five. I was using my test lab, a cryogenically cooled thermal camera.
It was a seventy thousand dollars camera using it, and I'd also have an
astrophotography hobby, and I thought, well, maybe it will work, but
probably not enough sensitivity. But I do get commercial jets playing overhead, so
it should look kind of cool if I record this. So I brought the
camera home and I was panning it around in my backyard, and within fifteen
minutes it's still daylight. I mean the sun was just starting to set.
I see an object in the sky that I cannot explain, and it was
a boomerang shape and a V shape. The thermal camera is calibrated temperature SPAN
measured it at minus thirty fahrenheit just right off. It moves slow or both
objects moved slow, and they didn't make any sound, and I caught it
on video and I could not see it. I looked straight up, looked
up at the sky, and I uttered the acronym repeatedly WTF, and recorded
these objects as they went overhead. And ever since then, I was hooked
on doing thermography research of this phenomenon because it was not expected, and finding
that there's things flying above us that we can't actually see with genree night vision
or with our own vision. Okay, I think I lost yet, I
guess I'll just keep talking about flear. So what I qualify on those strange
objects that I've recorded is the camera's field of you. We know that it's
a twenty four degree by eighteen degree field of view. The object that was
recorded could not be a satellite, because a satellite. If you look at
the International Space Station, which is our largest satellite, it's down at two
hundred and fifty four miles above the surface of the Earth. The largest that
satellite would appear in the field of view of any camera is going to be
fifty one arc seconds, which is pretty tiny. Unlikely that that will even
show up as a single pixel on the field of view of the cameras that
I was using. And when you have something of larger aperture or larger size,
it's impossible for that to be a satellite. And these are objects that
are appearing in highly controlled airspace, because I know for a fact that it's
highly controlled. Some years back, at a friend of mine who was given
me pilot training, and we were flying assessment at one seventy two over my
house. We had the IFR system, and I learned quickly about there's just
no way anybody could just decide they're going to fly some erroneous aircraft within this
airspace. Where is Boweing seven thirty seven's going, you know, exiting out
of SeaTac Airport going right above my house. It's just not going to happen.
They're not going to fly these crafts in highly controlled airspace. They're going
to take them into other locations. And so if they are our crafts,
then they're not producing any heat. And they are much larger by magnitudes,
larger than a Boeing seven forty seven. So some of these objects I've recorded
and cleared. I was also showing them to William Puckett who runs UFOs and
W. He is a retired meteorologist, and I gave him the temperature readback
and he said, well about objects at ninety thousand feet and so I did
the trigonometry get given how much area that thing occupied. It came out too
that the object was twenty two hundred feet across, which is nearly a quarter
mile. That's just impossible, you know, there's no way we would be
doing that. And maybe its resembling. I mean, it was a V
shape object, so maybe it had something to do with what was I recorded
in two thousand and five. So it certainly wasn't the exact object that was
recorded in the Phoenix lights incident. Yeah, well, I was hoping to
take calls. We didn't. We kind of ran out of time, but
Savior good questions. For next week we will be having a call in show.
So here is a question though I thought it was a pretty good one
right here from Space Cow. Do you think harmonics hold more data than a
single tone? In which light color would transfer the most data? Thanks,
that would be ultra violet just because it's a higher frequency, then you could
put more data sets on it above like what would be a visible But if
you go even higher than ultra violet, if you go into the X rays
or gamma rays, if you have such a transmitter, you would theoretically be
able to put even more data sets on that type of transmitter. So we're
already doing this in fiber optics. We're going from we were using fiber optics
I think they were around eighteen hundred nanometer, and now we're pushing the envelope
of ultra violet. They're saying with the Blu ray DVD players, we went
from red to ultra violet because we have a narrower band and we can put
more information there was there used to be. I remember hearing years ago this
rumor that fiber optics was alien technology reverse technology. I heard, yeah,
I heard that. I'm not agree on how it was created. Yeah,
that was also alongside about night vision technology, and night vision technology actually was
developed in the mid nineteen thirties by you know, Germans and Americans. And
if you compare that type of tube, which was a the image intensifier,
where it has a photocathode, a accelerator and then a P thirty one phosphor
and the only difference between today's night vision technology when we're talking about image intensifiers
is that we introduced the micro channel plate with internally of the intensifier, so
it gave a much higher order of electron amplification. So when we were using
night vision technology, we had gains of maybe one hundred or two hundred.
Then we had Gen one, which gave us a gain of one thousand,
and then Gen two got us to about gain a twenty five thousand. Now
we're up to about one hundred and fifty thousand with Gen three plus and then
what's also being called Gen four, which is Gen three filmless. But the
only difference is the photocathode material is different, and that there's the micro channel
plate which was introduced in the nineteen seventies is Gen two, and there's certainly
big differences on that. So it's vacuum tube technology still and he continue to
evolve our CCD technology. There are some low light CCD cameras that are striking
very impressive. They're actually better than the Gen one technology. They're not quite
at the GEM two or Gen three. And because I own them all and
I read the propaganda and do the testing, and you're still nothing's going to
be the Gen three image and the fire that's solid state, but fiber optic
it was discovered. I mean they've been using that in the fifties when it
was developed. And finding a way to couple light information through the fiber optics
is what we discovered for enhancing our communications because then it's not going to pick
up noise from long distances. You don't need to use twin leads to filter
that out. Do you think there's that we will be in the future inventing
more technologies to get information that we don't even realize might exist at this point?
In other words, we're talking about the spectrum for one, when it
comes to the radio waves or whatever. Do you think that's that there is
something beyond that that we don't even know about yet that we could. Yeah,
it's kind of like when we think about the discovery of electricity, or
when Nicola Tesla invented radio, which I credit him and not that other joker
who got great, he's stole some things. Well, yeah, actually he
got rejected at the patent office, not Nicola, and Nicola had the patent
on it. Marcony came back with some high powered lawyers and said, hey,
you know, it's an invention, and so then he got he got
granted on the thing. It was all political. Anything Nicola Tesla was was
not respected and because he was so anti establishment in a great mind. But
yes, there's probably other medians other than the electro magnetic spectrum, and maybe
they've already been discovered, but they haven't been endoctrined as scientific fact because we
have to see repeatability on things. And that's that's one of the problems in
science. It's all about cause and effect and repeatability. And if we can't
repeat something. You say, you stumble on something that's a phenomenon that's of
natural source, but we can't repeat it, and then it will never be
accepted in science. And we run into so many problems where discoveries are never
brought into fruition because of that, and it becomes it's also very political on
that. You know, when we're talking about Nikola Tesla, much of his
downside was the politics that went against him. And there are many great minds
who are developing technologies that have ideas that they can't implement them because it takes
people out of their comfort zone. Right, hang on, just one second.
I want to say goodbye to everyone over at KG or A radio.
We'll be back next week. Get your UFO story in order. We're going
to do a call in show next week, So thank you over there,
and we're going to continue on a little longer over on this side. Thank
you. So as far as Tesler goes, you know, I think it's
fascinating that if he had his first contract honored with Westinghouse, which was five
dollars for every single horse power of every vote or ever, he would have
been absolutely beyond Rockefeller and wealthy. Unfortunately, he died a poor man.
Yes you did, I mean, and I think you tore up that contract
because he saw how it would more or less bankrupt Westinghouse. So we tore
up that contract. I mean, and if he only had a manager,
they'd say, okay, let's give a dollar horsepower will help you out,
some kind of a compromise where he had a comfortable living and then many able
to buy more equipment so he could have done more research. And that just
the unfortunate side and whatever happened to all his you know, the documents that
are just plain missing, you know, I mean all these things. I
mean, some of his stuff was way out there, but you never know,
I mean, the guy was beyond genius. You know. I'm sure
much of it was confiscated and hidden. Some of it thought that it could
be implemented in military research, and some of it probably wasn't going to be
useful, but it still got confiscated because at the time there was nobody else
thinking the way he was thinking and developing as he was developing. Yeah,
definitely was kind of a scary one. But you know, the possibility of
being able to have, you know, to garner the power of the universe
through these towers and things like that, that was that was fascinating. Yeah,
the problem he ran into was the scale and then trying to implement a
transmitter that would transmit a power source that everybody could tap into. And it's
a problem of scale and then efficiency, so you have to it's inherently not
very efficient. But I think when he was trying to implement that, it
struck a lot of fear in the politicians who felt that they couldn't control it
and a monetize it in some way, just like if somebody else did this
invention, similar to Nikola Tesla, where they can say, well, you
don't need to pay the power company, here's a free way to get energy.
I mean, whoever whoever invents that's going to wind up dead. I
mean I say, lots and lots of people will be dead before that would
ever get out there. Yeah. Well, I'm telling you I'm not suicidal.
I'm not going to stab myself on the back and throw myself off a
bridge. I have no intention of doing that. But this is the kind
of stuff that happens to some people that make discoveries that are making a threat
to industry. And this is what you know, we have to be cognizant
of. So if anybody does make these kinds of discoveries, it's unlikely we're
going to see it come to fruition. Unfortunately. Well, I'm going to
tell you a story. I know this is way off the UFO topic,
but I think it's Halloween. It's Halloween. I can tell I can tell
a story. Well, my father, my father was not one to b
s if he came home and told us, you know, a story or
whatever. Uh you know, we we'd listened to him because he was just
one of these these guys, never paid a bill, wait once and all
that type of guy. So he, uh, he came home one day.
He had his own business and was in an upholstery shop and later in
the antique and auctions and stuff like that. So but he came home one
day and he said that this friend of his through the upholstery business had bought
a new Buick and he drove it. And I do remember him saying it
was a buick and he drove it, and he drove it, and he
drove it and he drove like a hundred miles and he said, the gas
gage is broken. I'm going to, you know, bring this back to
the dealer. And he but before he went back there, he went pulled
up into a gas station and it took a gallon or so of gas.
That was it. So he lifted the hood and it said test equipment,
and so he drove it back to the dealer and they supposedly gave him two
cars to not talk about it. Well, of course he talked about it
to my father. Now, I don't you know, my father wouldn't be
as I can't speak for his friend who told the story, But I mean,
it would be remarkable if we had that type of technology in the nineteen
seventies, that's when it was, and we were holding it, you know,
I mean, think of all the countless you know, pollution et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera, that and waste, if that, if
that was story fruit, there may be some truth by it. I know
of an account of a solar panel developed in the nineteen seventies and a colleague
of mine who actually had a copy of the patent and he was following up
on it because he wanted to buy the solar panel so he could put it
on the roof of his own house and tell the power companies that, you
know what. And he followed up with the engineers that were developing the technology
and they'd actually published an article and when he went back on site, the
people were gone, and he goes, well, where's so and so?
They're not here anymore? He retired? Where's he? Oh? He left?
And finally somebody took my colleague a side and said, I'm not going
to say, but it was an oil company who bought the invention and retired
the people that invented it. And so it was in the drafts at what
I got to see, they weren't complete, and who knows that this actually
got to be into something the fruition. But yeah, it was an oil
company who in essence spot it to squash it so that it wouldn't get developed
out because it was competing against their best interests. Sure, well the roller,
you know, you think of the paintbrush and the paint roller, and
the paint roller was suppressed for dozens of years. Sure, you know because
of you would put the paintbrush companies out of business. Oh sure, they
probably villainized the inventor, you know, said that he was killing puppies or
whatever to make people not buy that product. Right, that's the unfortunate thing
that happens, and it even happens in science, where if somebody is making
a discovery, there is often professional jealousy or fear that attacks that person where
they'll try to dig up some dirt on somebody. Uh, you know,
it's it's it's crazy what happens with the stories I hear from people who are
trying to develop things out and then they write back to me, this is
what's happening to me. And all I did was, I said, working
amongst people who are jealous, who are are except that you're making the discovery
before they're making it, and so they're going to try to debunk your work
and push their work forward, and much of its political as they're looking for
finances from the government. And I was really shocked at how this has really
become the mainstream of scientific community where somebody who's trying to do research and then
publishes a discovery that they get attacked immediately in any cases where because it's a
conflict of interest with somebody else. Yeah, I mean this, I'm surprised
I haven't heard we haven't heard a lot about this. But they've discovered in
South Africa recently a building that was a notched logs that were put together in
primitive tools that was six hundred and seventy thousand years old. And how come
we're not hearing much about that. That seems like that would be you know,
they have to rewrite history and that they would have to. Yeah,
anyone that has can go in and google that. The sources are good,
so yeah, not a lot. It takes them out of their comfort zone.
And I think there's much a better history we don't understand. And then
when those discoveries are made, they want more data to corroborate it and maybe
they'll rewrite it. But it certainly agitates people who have been asserting this is
what's happened and how it's done, and they've written their books, and then
to have somebody come along and say I've got evidence to show something completely different.
Yeah. Yeah, that type of stuff is fascinating to me. And
I believe we know, you know, we have amnesia basically of our past,
and who knows how many things are a raster yet to be found or
underground never to be found. It's our objects that are objects out of place,
where they find an artifact that indicates something high order advanced civilization, but
it's it's too old to be there. And yeah, and some of those
are hoaxes. I mean, we have to be aware of a books factor
that's out there, and there's a tremendous even in this UFO UAP field.
I get inundated with videos. People copy me and say what do you think?
And I can tell it's been it's a hoax generated on a computer,
or it's a satellite out of focus, or yes, has a prosaic explanation.
Very little of the content that I see has actually got genuine phenomenon that
you can't be explained. I get. I get quite a I get quite
a bit, and a lot of people don't want to hear. They don't
want to hear the truth. You know. I'm not going to leave it
at that because of a kind of a current situation. This is a question
asked by Truth Secret David. What is a good entry level piece of equipment
for the average person. It really depends on what you're looking for. Yeah,
I'm gonna say from a budget standpoint, I recommend that people that are
interested in any of this phenomenon is, first off, don't just give people
who have groups that say they want your money because they're going to promise the
moon or whatever. If you've got money, buy your own equipment and do
your own research. And the first thing you could start with is a pair
of seven by fifty binoculars. And when you buy binoculars, you'll want to
spend about one hundred bucks or more because if you buy the lower cost seven
by fifties, you're probably going to be disappointed. You'll get a pair of
binoculars with plastic lenses or lenses that aren't properly coated. And seven by fifty
is good for the low light gathering at night. You'll get a full illumination
of the exit pupil. That's why we go by using that particular aspect ratio
of binoculars. The next stage above that is to get a low light camera
that has video record capability, and there were a number of them on the
market. I don't want to start mentioning products because I don't want to inflate
tires on something that I shouldn't or something, but there are a number of
them that are priced in the four hundred dollars range and up where they work
very well. They do a video record. You can use these to record
anomalous activities that are happening in the sky, and that'll that would fall in
that range. And the other requirement of that is having some comfortable furniture to
sit on when you when you're stargazing and using this equipment. And the next
level would be considering night vision technology. And I've done a demo video about
the Gen one, Gen two, and Gen three night vision technology. You'll
find that you'll at least want to buy Gen two or Gen three in that
category of night vision technology. And you're going to be spending somewhere between like
twenty five hundred and fifty five hundred dollars for something like that. But you'd
be really surprised at how often when you use that technology under dark skies you'll
see anomalist activity where it's not satellites, it's not meteors. I've seen objects
just they look like a satellite and I track it and then it just makes
a right angle turn. That's not a satellite, And that's this confirmation that
there's something very strange happening above us in the nights. Guys, what do
you think is the best equipment right now? Like, let's just go and
think about it in this way. You know, AA ro O, you
know says they're looking for better data, they want better data. What would
you think that someone like them are looking for I mean or I mean,
it seems to me they would have enough by now of information to say that
there's really something going on here, you know, But I mean, what
type of data? You know? This is a good question because it's what
people want to accept his data. For me, if I see a dot
in the sky moving at a right angle turn, that already convinces me I
know that's not a drone or a satellite or anything that has an easy explanation.
Many people want to have a something that looks like an alien craft out
of Hollywood in order for them to accept that we're looking at something anomalous I'm
a believer, or that if you're doing a skywatcher research, you want to
have a multitude of broad spectrum instruments because the phenomenon gets detected on different spectrums.
So that means long wave infrared FLEAR, maybe even medium wave infrared flear
SWEAR, which is short wave infrared, which I haven't actually done any research
yet, conventional cameras, cameras that have some infrared detection and ultraviolet, but
to try to cover as much area of the sky with as broad at spectrum
as possible, And this is the thing that is the problem with This phenomenon
I got to bring up here is there's there's so much garbage information that's out
there, and it's contaminating real data that's that's being presented, and it's it
makes it to the point that no matter what video you take. So if
you take something that is just striking and has provenence and it has a commercial
jet with it and a pilot who saw it, and you can just go
down the line and you'll never convince everybody. It's because the technology we have
for faking this stuff has gotten out of handy and we're never gonna no one's
ever going to take that smoking gun video that will convince everybody. So that's
and debunkers know that, they know they sit back and do that. And
we and your we've got the other issues because we got debunkers. We're professional
self promoter promoters. They get called out every time a video is called out,
so they get their name when they get to be on TV and talk
as a debunker, and they make money at it. So but then they're
being fed a lot of garbage information or garbage videos that need to be debunked.
So maybe there isn't a problem. We probably actually need more debuntors to
take care of that. Then we've got people who are self promoters, Charlatan's
who are faking stuff or telling stories that aren't real in order to garner the
attention, to get followers, to separate people from their money, people who
are then converting this into a religious sector where they're telling us that ET is
here to fix the ozone and clean up our oceans and make the forest better
and YadA YadA. But understand ET needs money too, And this is what
is going on. And it's absolutely frustrating to see it happen because there's a
small section of real data that is occurring, that there's people who are presenting
stuff that is real data, and it's being smothered in the noise floor of
garbage information. Yeah, and I don't know if there's an answer to it.
And if somebody films a UFO landing and greeny green aliens come out and
shake hands and meet with one hundred people and take off and it's all videotaped
and they leave a fragment of their spacecraft, probably isn't going to get much
noteworthy attention. It's right, and it is because there's so much moneying and
also we've kind of missed the boat of a time period where we can show
a video or a really good picture because now as you're mentioning with AI right
now, anything can be fait and anything may be really good. So that's
gone that time unless you have an old video, an old photo, right,
the old vintage phonos and videos that couldn't be hoxed, and those are
the ones we can rely on. I also recommend people to look at the
down links from NASA in the ISS and the spacewalks that they've done where they've
had anomalous objects in the sky or in space making right angle turns or just
appearing out of nowhere. And these are described as being ice crystals or I
like space debris. Yeah, there's lots of you what is space degree?
And then they'll say meteors, which are actually objects that are shooting out of
the Earth and going out into outer space and apparently they disintegrate in where there's
no oxygen. I mean, so they're really bad explanations that are given,
and often the explanations are more ridiculous than accepting that you have something anomalous happening.
But then you're putting them in a position an awkward position. So if
I was a spokesperson for NASA and somebody sent me a video of something anomalous
and I'm hired there, I'm going to debunk it. I'm going to tell
you throw a prosaic explanation, no matter what it is, and no matter
how convincing it is, because I don't want to lose my job, and
that's just what happens. And so people don't understand that, and they'll think,
well, since the spokesperson said it was this, and then we're just
gonna call it case closed and move on. And you often find that the
debunkers never do their research. They never do you know, they're working from
an armchair. They don't interview people, they don't look at the data.
And this is also the problem of not the debunkers, but the people who
are promoting this, where they look at something without doing the proper research.
Like I have had many videos sent to me by people which I really thought
there was more credibility to their understanding in being skeptical, and when they sent
me these videos, I thought they were playing a joke on me, and
they weren't. They were actually believing that it was real and they wanted my
stamp of approval. I'm going this is can you see the physics wrong?
What's wrong with it? There's been several faked videos where they show the moon
and objects appearing around it. There was one that came out a couple of
years ago. The shadows are in the wrong places. The object changes its
mass in a relatively short change around the moon, where when you look at
the distance of the Moon in the space, it wouldn't increase in apparent size
by fifty percent or two hundred percent I think is what it was based on.
About the rotation, it would not even be one percent for its distance
that it made. So somebody who engaged that or created that, which was
also an anonymous supplier, had actually faked it. I saw another one that
was actually done pretty good where somebody was videotaping the moon and there was a
plume appearing on offset from it looked interesting, and then they panned back with
the camera to show the field of view and the background and power poles,
and I go, gee, that's funny. The sunlight that's showing the position
of the moon and its shape of the crescent of the moon shows that the
sun's coming from a ten o'clock position, but the shadows are coming from a
five o'clock position according to the power poles in the trees, So it's obviously
a faked video. It was done pretty well, but whoever did is did
not understand the physics of where lights would be created based on the lunar illumination.
And I was just shocked that people were circulating this around as genuine phenomenon
when it was clearly a hoax. And it's just unfortunate because I know we
have real data that is getting buried, and then when people do present the
data, it's somebody could dig something up on me and say, oh,
mister Mason, you had a speeding ticket in nineteen eighty five and you pleaded
innocent, but the judge found you guilty for speeding, so therefore you're you
lied to the judge and and and therefore your videos are a lie to that
you took in the UFO. This is the logic that's being used for debunking
people who have actually had phenomenon recorded. They look for something to kind of
dirt on somebody and and see if they could rub it in and make it
stick so that we can't get the testimonies from say like David Gresh and his
colleagues who have found they've got an overwhelming amount of evidence that we have crash
degree that has not been revealed. Right, Yeah, that's that's a Stan
Friedman used to say. Attack. If you can't attack the evidence, attack
the person, you know. And that's what that's what you know we have
seen happen. But you're right, it happens. Yeah. I like exactly
your stand because I feel like we have that same feeling about things, you
know. I mean, I only I think there's so much really good data
out there, so so many really amazing things that have happened to people.
You don't need to bring in the fluff. There's no need fluff. There's
plenty of stuff that has happened that is just overwhelmingly amazing and unexplainable. Yeah,
and that stuff doesn't get debunked, It just gets skipped if you they
just don't explain it. They'll go attack the things that may have been presented
as being anomalous and then discovered later as being a hoax or having a prosaic
explanation, and so those are the things they'll grab and talk about. I
don't really want to attack debunkers because they're frankly, there's just too much garbage
out there that needs to be debunked. And yeah, they're working overtime.
Yeah I would rather you know, you know, I mean for a good
skeptic to debunk something, but not someone that just has the debunking attitude where
you know, by proclamation like you said, about doing any of the research.
You know, West. A lot of people can't stand Mickwst, but
he's actually done a couple of things. I'm not gonna I'm not saying I've
seen some things that he's he was thinking he was, you know, debunking
or whatever that I totally disagree with him, and I think it was silly.
And I actually had him on a show with Kevin Day and Kevin Day
explaining to him why the tic TAC couldn't be in a distance. I think
it was a heat signature and a distance of a commercial airline. I believe
that's what Mick West was calling it. Well, and Mick West by the
time we get done the show, Mick West said, yeah, well,
I can see, I understand, I understand, you know, Kevin's point,
And what did I see three or four days later, I saw Mickwest
debunking the same thing. He already you know, going right back to debunking
and on on team right. Yeah, yeah, Well you have to when
you're debunking that technology. It's easy to do that from an armchair, but
you have to do it from knowing that technology and working with that technology.
I don't work with the military flear. I can tell you that it doesn't
offer the passive temperature measurement because it's a broad spectrum they're using optics or it's
long WAVEN medium wave infrared, and that system is designed to vet the fastest
acquisition for threat identification. It's actually more sensitive in temperature detection than the scientific
grades cameras that I use that have passive temperature measurement, and that has to
do with the wavelengths that are filtered so that we can actually assign temperatures based
on the microblometer, voltage measurement and so forth. And that does not come
the manifestations or what they were saying were lens flares and stuff. It doesn't
happen with those systems. And it has to do with the germanium lenses acting
as almost like a honeycomb, where it prohibits lengths, wavelengths entering what can
happens. You can have smudging if say the protective dome that's on these gimbal
cameras, if it gets contaminated with water or dirt, or if somebody scratched
it in maintenance, but it won't cause ghosting. It just may cause smudging
of images. And one thing that I wanted to spell is with clear cameras,
and I've got the consumer grade, industrial and scientific grade. I can
take any one of those out on a sunny day and glance the sun just
momentarily and sweep it looking to see if I can get any ghosting artifacts.
There aren't any. It has to do with the refractive index of Germanium lenses.
There's fewer. They're not like five or six of them as used in
sinny lenses or camera lenses of more advanced where you often get ghosting and reflections.
And so no, it's not any of that. And then you had
pilot witnesses on this. Would you have too much providence on these encounters to
try and debunk it, And you have to you have to have the experience
with in termography and with these cameras. I mean buying a handheld two hundred
dollars consumer grade one isn't going to be the same thing comparing it to you
know, you're comparing apples to oranges when you're talking about the military grade.
Especially, you know, the cost of the gimbal system that they use must
be must be a fortune. So here's a question from space and another one
from space cow. What part of the spectrum would plasma fall in or does
it even well, if it has heat, it's going to be long wave
infrared a bit. Typically we see it as plasma, it'll be in visible
spectrum, but it can depends on the gas and how much energy it's ionized.
The higher the energy level that's ionized on the plasma, the higher the
spectrum. And kind of like if you heat up a filament on a light
bulb, if you put a low voltage to it and it just glows red,
it's emitting just infrared and not in visible higher visible or ultra violet.
As we increase the voltage, it's actually still in putting out a broad spectrum
where it's still putting out long wave infrared, plus the top end of that
spectrum where if you heat it up to the point where it turns blue.
You're covering a very broad spectrum of light. Let's see. There's a couple
more questions in here. Are you aware of any spectros cascopy data collected from
UAP spectroscopy? Yeah, well this is what. There's a multitude of phenomena
that's been recorded, and many claims of it being in the infrared spectrum,
in the visible spectrum, in ultraviolet. But I haven't actually seen anyone do
a image still where they've gotten a clear shot of a UAP and then did
a spectrum analysis of its wavelengths and to see, you know, what was
it doing in the spectrum. I mean, it'd be great if we had
ones at stationary where we can get the data and find out where its peak
wavelength was, like if it was a hydrogen ban or oxygen free ban,
and find out more about it based on that, and whether if it was
just a uniform spectrum or if it had spikes to it, because if it
did have spikes, we would know if there were particular ionized gases that were
being utilized in that process or if it was interacting with the oxygen. Now
I don't even know if I should be posting this because I don't know where
Joseph is coming up with this. The US is faking radar frequencies eight to
twelve gigahertz to pretend they are UAP. I'm not sure where he's getting I
don't know. I haven't seen it, I haven't measured it. This gives
me the opportunity to talk about spectrum analyzers r S spectrumentalizers, and I've got
an extensive background with it. I back in the mid eighties, I worked
for a company called Nive Viking, a ham radio product manufacturer, designing RF
antenna tuners, RF intennas, and RF power monitors. I even made a
automatic RFN tenna tuner, which was of the first of its kind. We
developed it out but we never got it on the market. And we worked
with the HP one forty one TRS spectrumentalizer. And then when that company moved
to Idaho, a state in Washington, and I did my own engineering consulting
and I started designing circuits to modify the Hewlett Packard eighty five sixty two A
and eighty five ninety two B to extend its frequency from twenty two gigaherts to
twenty seven gigaherts and behind me, I have a Techtronics twenty seven eighty two
high performance RF spectrumentalizer. This spectrum antalizer with the mixer set back in its
day was over eighty five thousand dollars and if you want to replace that,
it's not reduction. But if you want to replace that with the equivalent performance,
you're going to be spending the same amount of money. So I want
to talk about our signals. I mean, there are lots of them out
there. Most of these are governed as far as what the FCC allows,
and there are some signals that are encroaching. I think that by some rogue
RF sources over there just figure we transmit for a little bit and get away
with it, and that way the FCC won't track us. In other cases,
you can get harmonic effects from a very heavy signal, a second order
a third order harmonics if you overdrive the harmonic mixer of a spectrum analyizer.
So yeah, I'm not aware of that or where the provenance of it.
I don't think it would do a lot though, if they were transmitting that
trying to use it as a decoy in some kind of warfare of it I'm
sure it's been done before. We're trying to doup communications or put out a
carrier that's nonsensical with nonsense data to defocus attention to one aspect to avoid attention
to another aspect of it. But what I want to talk about is the
mystery one point six gigaherts that was detected at Skinwalker Ranch. And there's been
some talk about that where I've seen people say, Oh, it's just this,
or that it's just a satellite, or it's a microprocess around a computer
and it's being detected on their equipment. There's some things I can't talk about,
but I will say I looked at the monitor and the carrier wave on
that I was seeing sixty dbc above noise floor, which you're not going to
get that from a satellite using a yaggy antenna going into an SDR system.
That just doesn't happen. This carrier wave was sometimes modulating very slow and low
frequency, which was very puzzling because it doesn't fit the spread spectrum modulation that
we use in communications. It wasn't an effective modulation for communicate data sets.
It didn't fit anything that was in the ordinary. And I've got you know
this spectrum analyzer. I've ran it to looking for that frequency, and I've
even I'm going to grab this antenna so you can see what I built.
This is a copper chronical antenna that it's still prototype, but I've tuned this
between one point three to one point eight gigger hurts. It peaks at one
point four to one point six. I can detect a very low signal of
one point six using this intenna and a lot of forty dB of the pre
amp game and it's just a small carrier way probably a satellite, but it
is not the signal. I saw a skinwalk ranch and definitely the signal is
anomalous. No one that the ranch was saying it was ET or alien communication.
It was just a very strange signal that came up. Other spectrum analysis
was conducted trying to determine whether or not it was interference from the ranch.
And what would come to mind from me would be like, is it a
harmonic of eight hundred megaherts, because if you overdrive the harmonic mixer of a
spectrum mantilizer with eight hundred, you can get a one point six and so
on. Or if it was five hundred thirty three megaherts at high amplitude one
point six would be the third harmonic. It wasn't any of those things,
you know. Like I say, I've engineered circuits in spectrum analyizers and I
understand how they worked. I even worked with or collaborated in ideas with doctor
Larry Lockwood, who was head of engineering at Techtronics in the spectrum analyizer manufacturing.
I'm not sure if you understand this question here about the village lapse from
the Phoenix lights. They claim to have been able to interpret video cam footage.
Do you understand what that question is. I'm not sure if there was
anything that could be further vented from it. I know I cannot convert anything
from video like it was there any information in the light. Unfortunately, when
it's video recorded, it's framed and sampled, so it's all chopped at either
thirty hertz or sixty hertz, and it would just sound like interpreted as noise
or just garbage and not anything that would be useful that we could look for
any kind of information that might have been within the Phoenix lights. I do
believe the incident is real because it had too much prominence. Peter Davenport had
an overwhelming number of people calling in just driving a V shaped object, not
flares dropped from an air plane. Flayers were dropped two hours later, right,
So, and that seems to me that they flew those out as a
decoy, and nobody's asking the questions, well, why did you go out
and throw a bunch of flares near the city? Yeah, you know,
yeah, and there's too many people that saw, you know, the shape
of it, you know, blacking out the stars and you know, stuff
like that. Way too many people. Yeah. Even even who was the
governor at the time, fi fIF Simington, who first made a mockery of
it, came forward and said that he had actually witnessed it and in essence
he was just afraid to lose his job if he was to come forward and
yes ribe it. So, yeah, it has solid providence and of too
many witnesses, we have video. I'm sure there's some videos of the actual
flares that were dropped, and then that makes it case closed the course because
they were fairs dropped, Yes, and that's that's always the Also, the
videos you see are the flares. There's there's one or two. I think
I'm king is one of the people that did a little bit of filming there.
Yeah, I know Tom King, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's good to be on again on the show again. Yeah yeah yeah.
So that's that's got some real prominence to it, and especially you know,
Peter had information from the actual pilots that were flying in the vicinity to witness
this object as well. So there's a lot more to it than what it's
what's buried in that and it's unfortunate that this is what we deal with,
and when somebody sees something, it's it's even like when I when I discussed
the one point six giga hurts. It's easy to throw a label on it
if you're not there and you're not using an R spectrum analyzer. But when
you're there and you witness it, it's a whole different experience than for you
to be at an armchair just saying oh, I can think of one hundred
things that could explain that frequency. Yeah, and they vetted it and I
didn't detect it here in this vicinity. It's still have an explanation that we
just didn't figure out, and it just didn't fit the norm of technology that's
using that frequency. Do you happen to understand this question here? Do you
know if they use passive lights? What do you understand what that question is?
Passive lights? Maybe this has to do with the UAP phenomenon. I
know the many UAP have been or UFOs. I prefer to say UFOs because
I'm not so concerned about political correctness. That's really what it comes down to,
the a stigma and anyway, the stigma of it. It's because there's
been many reports dating back from the beginning when UFOs were reported people were seeing
lights on these UFOs, fluctuating lights and changing colors, that there may very
well be information being conveyated in that light, an attempt much like what we
see in our undersea life forms, the jellyfish and fish. When the first
explorers went down in the depths of the oceans with their submarine and they were
in complete blackness, and they reported seeing self luminous aquatic animals making all kinds
of bizarre shapes and colors, and it was quite a story when they surfaced
and said, hey, we saw this weird stuff. Oh yeah, you
guys were drinking when you were down there. And now you know, it's
now become common knowledge that In fact, we have jellyfish and other animals that
use phosphorus for communication, and we can see them displayed as phosphorus and colors.
Were they able to trigger it with the internal voltages of their nervous system
for all kinds of purposes of communication or threat or concealment. And we don't
really seemed to make that analogy of understanding that life form, that the life
forms that we may be interacting with may have come from that type of communication,
or that their communication isn't done through vocalization, but it's done through light.
And we have to look at all aspects of evolution that could take place.
So imagine if those aquatic animals had enough time to where they could get
on earth, on the lands and become mammals and build machinery, they may
not evolve the vocalizations, but just do optic type of communication. And this
is one of the reasons why I'm exploring that because no one else is really
doing it. We're playing with radios, and I'm believing that whatever phenomenon we're
seeing in the multitude multitude of areas, that it is a When we're using
radio, it's analogous to sending smoke signals. So when we're trying to send
small signals that be detected, we need to try something more advanced to capture
their intent or capture their attention. And this is why I'm pushing the light
spectrum because it's it kind of leaked frogs the radio signals into a much higher
frequency, and that separates my signals from the background noise flow of modern technology,
where if you use a spectrum antalize elect the one I'm using here,
there's just a multitude of carriers and noise from just about every transmitter that's out
there, and pretty hard to be separated from that. If you just send
out one signal, you need to move into a spectrum where you're just outside
of everybody else's noise. For you know, the one thing I've asked Seth
shot Stack. You know, I said, radio signals, Really do you
think? You know? Well, I do understand. It's better than doing
nothing looking for radio signal. You know, it's better than doing nothing.
But still, you know, it's it's hard to tell what the technologies will
be. Now, I want to get back to what you said earlier,
or this whole discussion for the question that was post and that is uh.
I have heard over the years different people explain, you know, their UFO
sightings, and and more times than not you will hear them say there was
something very unusual about the lights. The lights is the thing, something very
unusual about the color, something very unusual about the way it behaved or or
didn't behave like a normal light beam, and all that almost like it's contained.
There's all these weird things when it comes to light about the visual of
it. And I think that's the clue. And that's what astonishes me is
that people aren't looking at that and it's it's a no brainer. Do what
you can to vet that information. And we know they affect compasses where compasses
spin. When I was I think I was thirteen when I made a uf
PHO detector using a compass in a LED and a photo transistor so that when
the compass was deflected from magnetic north it would trigger an alarm and just I
guess it's known as the poor man's uf PHO detector. I remember I built
it on a piece of plywood and compass I compassed. Yeah, it worked.
So we're still being very limited because what we're doing is ascribing our human
anatomy and human intelligence to the intelligence that is out there, and we're also
ascribing our interests like we say, oh, they're here to take our precious
metals and our water and our resources and things we do. Right. Yeah,
they must think like we do, and they may not have an agenda,
they may not have a vocabulary. They it could be something just out
of this world where we're not going to understand what we're encountering. But when
we see very variations of light, they obviously don't need it to see where
they're going. They don't. I really doubt that the light is a byproduct
of a propulsion system or even interdimensional shifting causing it. I think it's it's
out there, it's setting out information, and we've been too dumb so far
to acknowledge it. I want to get back to SETI and their use of
radio. It does make sense that they're they're looking a lot in the hydrogen
band or looking at elements in space, and they're just trying to look to
see if any of the signatures of those elements are being modulated or controlled in
ways that are not of ordinary or natural phenomenon, And that's kind of what
they're doing. Because that's really what all they can get because these signals are
so small, so tiny. I mean, they've got the sensitivity of their
radar systems that they or they're isshes that you see the gain and they're using
cryogenically cooled pre amplifiers to detect this of the noise factor is it's magnitudes more
sensitive than this very expensive specumentalizer that I'm using. And then you wonder did
they get something, and then that that information is being squashed or not being
reported to us, and maybe there are other factors that are involved with it,
because I could see that happening if SETH is under control, where well,
we've got some data, but I'm just going to say we're going to
keep looking and we know how those stories go. Like when we talk about
the Roswell incident, and I know that you had a lot of providence from
that. You had the chief intelligence officer from the army, it's Jesse Marcel
doing the investigation happens on the material says wow, this is so incredible.
This is looks like a fresher even shows a piece of this to his son,
Jesse Marcel Jr. And You've got so many people of authority on that
scene who said it was a flying saucer. Then later it's described as a
down weather balloon. I don't think the chief intelligence officer would make that identity
error of a weather balloon. And when you saw the image of the actual
Project Mogul weather balloon, I don't think it would have fooled anybody. It
just would have looked like a big bag on the ground, I mean,
not a UFO. And there's so much about that case that does you know
why in the first place would they say they captured a disc to begin with?
They never had to say anything. They could have they could have just
kept quiet. And and why did they deploy such a resource on it,
that's set a major resource to be they got every single little tiny scrap of
it and all that a weather balloon with microphones the deal I mean. And
then the prosaic explanation they gave I think when they came out it was in
the mid nineties, and they said, oh, if we dropped crash test
dummies crash dummy crash test dummies that were dropped in nineteen fifty three, somehow
happened in nineteen forty seven, and they were six foot tall wooden dummies.
Yeah, there were obviously wooden dummies, and apparently the people who time traveled
or whatever looked at these wooden dummies and mistaken them for biological entities. There
was a eyes on cinema. They publish all these. I don't know where
they get their footage, but one of them is an old interview in England.
Of these, it was an english woman married to an American who retired
in England and he would say to his kids all along that, you know,
I saw a spacecraft and you know, and so when it got toward
the end of his life, he he kind of said, you know,
you can't And he always said, you can't tell anyone, You can't tell
anyone. Don't say a word. And he said that right to the end,
you know, don't tell anyone. So and he describes Roswell. He
was at Roswell. They looked into it. Yes, he was indeed there
during that time, and he was a cook. You know. So it
sounds like you're having any involvement, but he said everyone was involved. He
said he was in front of the hangar before the thing was taken out of
there, and he saw it and it was real and you know, and
you know, why would he say that to his kids in England and tell
them not to say anything. And eventually when he passed away, they felt
like they had to talk about it, you know what I mean. It's
I don't know, I think there is something to Roswell. A lot of
people say to me they think there's nothing to it, and I think that
credit. How do you discredit that. The only thing you can discredit is
maybe if people were jumping on the bandwagon, which happens in this phenomenon where
somebody who's more or less involved or somebody that was living in the area and
they want to garner attention for themselves, so they make up a story and
say, oh, yeah, I saw the thing crash and I want to
be interviewed. And we know there's people that will do that in this phenomenon,
and they kind of muddy the waters because they're trying to self promote from
a me too, you know, jump on the bandwagon. Ye, And
that's I think one of the things that clutters the data because then it becomes
a mystery that you've got some doubt on because you do have some people bringing
in false information that discredits the story because their story isn't consistent with the other
reports that are coming in. I believe just on the merits of if you
just look at Jesse Marcel in his background to what he reported, he wouldn't
have been fooled by this and he wouldn't have talked about it to Stanton Friedman
when Stanton Friedman broke the story that he wouldn't have reported that if it was
just a weather balloon. And why would you deploy such a massive recovery of
a weather balloon that would require one jeep, a couple of guys a driver,
one with a clipboard and two guys to pick it up and throw it
in the jeep because you don't want to draw attention to it. You just
want to get it in and recover it. And it was just a weather
balloon or a balloon with a microphone on it to detect nuclear detonations, that
isn't much. That's not going to leave a debris field that is going to
be massive with chunks of metal and things that would be of the big mystery
to people recovering it. And so it's kind of an insult to Jesse Marcel's
intelligences as well as the people that did the recovery when they like to throw
those kinds of explanations, and it's just you're taking people out of their comfort
zone when you're showing them something, whether it's religious reasons or if they've just
seen so much garbage information. I mean it's his face. It like even
today, if you were to say to somebody, oh, you want to
learn about UFOs, go on the internet. And we all know that if
somebody just approaches that with an open mind and gets on the Internet, they're
just going to shake their head and say, this is garbage. I just
bake videos and they'll just go away and their minds are made up. Yeah.
What convinces people is if they see something or they read a story that's
very compelling. And I want to tell you one that was true that was
pretty entertaining for me. So it was back around two thousand and six,
after a couple of years of doing thermography looking for UFOs. I set up
my camera on my mother's property and my niece was visiting with her boyfriend who
graduated physics and he was mister skeptic and he was sitting in on this session
where I had set up a couple of thermal cameras and we were videotaping looking
for you know, skywatching. We weren't getting anything, and he was just
telling me, oh, yeah, I don't believe in this stuff, blah
blah blah whatever. And I said, okay, well you haven't seen anything
convincing, but maybe we'll get something. A couple hours into it, we
finally get something going through the field of view of the camera and as soon
as it appears, I remember it was a triangle formation, very cold,
and I pointed it out and I started dialoguing as it was transitting the field
of view and telling him that we'll notice the temperature is very low temperature,
and this guy is just gasping for air. He says, he's gone,
that's a UFO. I go, yes, it is, and I said,
notice the temperature is clearly not a bird flock, as we've seen a
few. And if you're just talking about it's so matter of fact. I
said, I've seen enough of them. And he he just apologized to me.
He says, I never would have believed it until I witnessed it,
and then he was from that time on, yeah, he I'm sure had
seen a lot of garbage information Hollywood really hasn't helped us with that because of
I mean some movies maybe have, but I mean a lot of the dramas
that are for entertainment, you know, we expect that a flying saucer is
going to be a disc with landing gear and green aliens, and you know
the stereotype of the Hollywood UFO. Yeah, yeah, No, A lot
of it happens, and it's it's uh. I I find that, you
know, when people are looking into it. You know, I have to
explain more of a story when I'm doing this because so many people are looking
into it. But you know, if you think you're going to find all
the answers on YouTube, if you're new there's there, you're really going to
have to weed it out. It really has to be weeded. You really
do have to be skeptical. You really have to be skeptical and what you
see because there is real data, but you can go chase down something that
isn't real. So many things are being propagated. I mean, let's say
you and I said we were out in some expedition together and we saw these
giant purple people eaters and they just came out of the spaceship and I take
a fuzzy image of some spaceship and I just said, what came out was
this, And then somebody else then takes a makes an animation of what we
saw and puts it on a website. This is just some stuff we made
up. And then they put it on another website, and pretty soon it
shows up in a number of websites, and then other joker comes along says,
oh, yeah, I saw what those guys saw too, So now
that's got. It's got. It's just some guy who wants attention, but
he wants to be on the bandwagon. So now we got corroboration of what
we witnessed in multiple websites. Now it's been in doctrine as factual, and
it's it's a lot. It happens a lot. So we're having phenomenon that's
being reported that has been hosed or it's been misinterpreted. People that are experiencing
dreams after they've seen a light in the sky and then they take it up
to another level. And that that's another problem because there are probably real cases
where this is happening, where people are experiencing things that are being cluttered with
the people who are just looking for attention or they can't understand the difference between
a dream and the reality of you know what they're experiencing. Right, So
when now are we putting out that video which one? Oh yeah, yeah,
are some of these some of these things, you know. I thought
it would be a funny one to do, is to say that the space
needle doesn't exist, the Seattle Space Needle, that it's a hologram. Yeah,
and of course, and then I could say the shadows are in the
wrong places. And then what I called the governor of Washington State and confronted
him on it. He laughed at me and hung up on the phone.
Obviously he knew. Yeah you know, of course, yeah yeah. So
if you were to post that and make a YouTube video of it, you'd
probably get one or two percent of the population believing you others watching to laugh
at it. But it's it's what happens. The guy that started the joke
that birds are what was it, birds are? Birds aren't real, They're
just like drones. And he started like a movement and he had all these
people follow him, and it's it's crazy. You can check it out.
Birds aren't real. I this is and this is the other problem in this
field is the charlatanism that's going on. There are some who are posting skywatches
where they're dropping flares from helicopters and telling people their UFOs. These people are
paying good money to be participants in this. And then there drone or drones.
I understand that drone was some people were caught with a drone and we're
told that they were going to fly it, you know, during a SkyWatch.
You know that that kind of stuff is happening. The floating balloons.
I heard a story where somebody paid money to go up on a mountaintop to
see a UFO during the daytime, and they had a scanner, credit card
scanner of that person and then somebody on the other side of the mountain was
launching balloons, so they oh, look at UFO. Okay, you're happy.
I charged you five hundred dollars. I mean, this is what is
going on. And people selling books on false pretenses are false phenom and some
of them are just selling books because they really believe in what they're researching,
and maybe there is some truth to it, but it's the Charlatans who are
taking advantage of people and Charlatans need money, and that's one thing you can
you can kind of identify it from them. Yeah, they in order to
sustain more money than the average person. Yeah, and ET needs money too,
I mean because ET can't fly that spacecraft without having US dollars, That's
right. And this is I think Halloween sort of to this ets and money.
So yeah, yeah. One thing I wanted to bring up, and
this was a technology breakthrough, was the I recently recorded the sound of Comet
E THREEZTF. So what I did was I purchased a very sensitive photo multiplier
tube that covered between one hundred and sixty nanometers to eight hundred and fifty nanometers
in visual spectrum, and I coupled this device with my circuitry to telescope and
aimed it at COMMT E three ZTF and was able to record the modulated light
from the coma and nucleus. And you can see this video demo on YouTube
with a technical explanation. And I'm kind of excited about it because I didn't
think it would be possible due to the multitude of fluctuating light coming from a
comet with in at least what I interpreted would be self canceling, but I
actually recorded sound from it, and I think it was modulated ultra violet light.
And to the best of my knowledge when I've looked around, couldn't find
anyone else who has done this, including NASA. But NASA that did record
the sound of magnetic anomalies on a comet by being close proximity in space and
then recording that sound or recording the magnetic and then speeding it up so we
could hear it. But it was an actual audio and I just recorded it
straight to the system and picked up a very low frequency rumble that was very
interesting. So this is some technology I think that could be implemented in looking
at objects in the sky, such as the Amua a Mua asteroid that came
by that Abby Lobe was interested in. It was putting out light. We
don't know how much of that light was passive from the sun, reflected to
the sun, or if it had its own radiant light. The system would
have determined whether or not there was any internal modulation coming from that light on
these asteroids. So it could be another tool that can identify anomalist objects.
So I'm excited about that. I know I'll get some flack from people,
probably because of professional jealousy or they didn't think of it or whatever, or
they don't think the physics of it is possible. But that's just the way
it goes. Well, that's all that for the listener and the watcher of
this. The show notes will be posted below YouTube and all that's in the
show notes, all those videos that you did, they're all posting right there.
Great, so people can see that, Yeah, these things actually exist
that I'm talking about. Yeah, and yeah, this has been a really
good discussion, Martin. I think we've covered a lot of ground and you've
been an excellent host. I've enjoyed our conversations on the phone, and it's
great to see you in person and have this discussion. Excellent. All right,
David, thank you so much. All right, thank you, all
right, take care. All right everyone, So, whoops, I got
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