1 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:32,479 Hello, and welcome to the show. I know you're expecting some type of 2 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,119 costume. Sorry about that. Happy Halloween to all out there, and I 3 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:44,119 just a couple of things I want to talk about here, little housekeeping, 4 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:51,679 et cetera. So recently I was on Tom Wheeler, he's a screenwriter. 5 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:57,799 And Dave Foley, who is a comedian from Canada that was in Kids in 6 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,560 the Hall and stuff like that, he was on this show. Dave Folly 7 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,079 was very well versed in UFO, so they started a UFO show and I 8 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,799 was on their show. I had a blast with them. These guys really 9 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,439 sink their teeth and really have really good knowledge when it comes to the UFO 10 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,439 topic. So I put that in the show notes. You can see it 11 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,920 there. It's down below in YouTube. And speaking of YouTube, every Thursday 12 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,120 night, starting at eight pm Eastern, for two hours, I'm going to 13 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:34,599 be on this show called UAP Crossfire. I'm going to play the intro to 14 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:44,159 that so you can get an idea UAPs unidentified anomalist phenomenon. Are they extraterrestrial, 15 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:49,519 interdimensional time travelers in origin or are they simply a result of top secret 16 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:57,799 and military black projects full flagged alien invasion psyof the drones or other human made 17 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,519 aircraft. Joined the UFO historian Don Eckert move on, State Director for New 18 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:07,960 York, Chris DePerno, retired veteran pilot command of Cobra, and well esteem 19 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:15,960 host and researcher Martin Willis as they discussed the latest news and topics regarding UAPs 20 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:25,960 with a no holds bard approach on uat cross Line. So that'll be every 21 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:31,319 Thursday at eight pm Eastern eight to ten pm Easter and right here on this 22 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:37,719 YouTube channel. It's also going to be over at KGr A Radio and some 23 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,280 of their social media sites, but it's going to be hosted as well on 24 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:45,560 YouTube right here, so check that out. The first few shows are recorded. 25 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,240 Our first live show is going to be on the sixteenth. We had 26 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,599 to pre record a few. Commander Cobra, who's been on the show. 27 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,680 He's a great guy. He has quite a schedule. He's a retired but 28 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:02,800 not retired pilot. He's always off doing something so he'll be on but occasionally. 29 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,319 But the one on the sixteenth that's live. We're going to have Kevin 30 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,479 Randall in his place on that one, so it should be interesting. We 31 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,240 get in a couple of debates. It's it's it's it's a lot of fun 32 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:21,159 and let's see next week. I am thinking about doing a Collin show, 33 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,039 so right now as it stands, if all goes well, I'd like to 34 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,000 do a callin show. So think of a good some good questions or if 35 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,280 you've had a UFO encounter, you'd like to talk about Colin next week and 36 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:42,680 that will be Tuesday, and that will be November seventh, election day. 37 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:46,080 You can talk about having to vote now, I'm just kidding. You do 38 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,759 not want to talk about that anyway. I want to talk quickly about our 39 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:57,319 last week's guest, Scott Cassell. I've had of all the guests I've had 40 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,439 on this show, and I've been blessed with some really great ones. I've 41 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:05,080 never had more reaction to a person on my show than last week. And 42 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,639 we will be hearing from him in the future, definitely. A lot of 43 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,919 people have reached a lot of I don't want to get into it too much, 44 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:18,519 but we will be seeing him in different types of media. I'm almost 45 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,240 certain of it in the future. So, and I'm really glad for him 46 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,439 because I think he's really a down to earth great guy and deserves the type 47 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:33,319 of attention that the show GARNEREDE So I'm really really grateful for that. So 48 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:39,839 without further ado, I'm bringing in David Mason. He was on once before 49 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:46,160 with Carolyn Corey and David Altman, and he's here by himself. I wanted 50 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,839 to talk to him ever since he was on then because he just knows the 51 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:54,920 gadgets and the technology, and he was fascinating all this season Inventor. He's 52 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,399 a brilliant guy. I've had a lot of conversations with him on the phone, 53 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 and it's my pleasure to bring him out board. Welcome to the show, 54 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,519 David. Hey, thank you, Martin. It's great to be here. 55 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,560 Yeah, and you've been You told me on the phone. You know 56 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:13,720 that you you went out, So it's quite a story. I'll let you 57 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,879 tell it. But you went out to Skinwalk a ranch. You thought it 58 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,759 was going to be one episode, and then they got they shipped your stuff 59 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,199 back. Yeah, it was the genesis. I guess I'll just start with 60 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,519 the genesis of this whole thing. So I've known Travis Taylor and Eric Bard 61 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,800 for quite a while and when I was working on the movie set, a 62 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:38,240 tear in the Sky this is the movie with William Shatner. I had also 63 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,360 brought all of the research equipment that was used in that expedition, and so 64 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:46,959 Travis Taylor was on set and I showed him all of the equipment and the 65 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,120 inventions. He tried them out and he asked me, is this all of 66 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,759 your equipment? I said, yes, I own everything that's on this rooftop 67 00:05:53,839 --> 00:06:00,079 except the one camera that's owned by Carolyn Corey. And at that time he 68 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,319 he said, I've known you, but I didn't know you owned us this 69 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,959 amount of equipment, and I'd like to bring you on Skinwalker Ranch. And 70 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:12,759 at the time, I was under a contract with Omnium, and I didn't 71 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,319 want to violate that contract. I always worked within the spirit of a contract, 72 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,040 so I elected not to participate in season three, even though I was 73 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:24,399 invited just to make an appearance and smile on camera, and I really just 74 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:29,600 wanted to go in there with everything that I owned, and so I waited 75 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,879 out season three and when season four came along. When filming the season four 76 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:40,040 and my contract had expired with Omnium, skin Walker management contacted me and asked 77 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,120 me to come out and do some experiments. So I shipped some equipment and 78 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,959 it was a fantastic experience. First just working with every staff member, the 79 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:57,680 production crew, and the cast members. Highly intelligent, very polite people, 80 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,439 a great sense of roaderie in what we were doing. And I was really 81 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:08,800 pleasantly surprised when I set up my gear. Everything worked, and we recorded 82 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,920 some phenomenon that I thought was just really strange, and I thought, well, 83 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,600 that's that's on my bucket list. It's over. And after I spent 84 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:23,040 a week there filming, I came back to my office in Washington State and 85 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,480 it was back to the daily grind of running a business. And then I 86 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,120 get notifications that my equipment is arriving at the loading dock from Skinwalker Ranch. 87 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,879 So I go to the loading dock and start to open up one of the 88 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,680 transit cases just to make sure my quickness wasn't damaged, and my phone rings, 89 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:46,360 and the Skinwalker management said, we've been talking about you and we really 90 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:48,759 want to bring you back to make you a big part of our season, 91 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:53,959 and so you just sent all my equipment here, And he said, well, 92 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,439 we were talking about you, but we had the meeting when your equipment 93 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:03,759 was transit and it wasn't They couldn't really rerouted or anything, and so I 94 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,959 had to relabel everything and reship and I also included additional equipment. So then 95 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:15,839 I sent down eight scientific grade clear thermal cameras and a couple of cameras which 96 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:20,600 I re engineered to have a new function, which is it's a new transfer 97 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:26,759 function so that it has a differential clear And that was my unique circuitry installed 98 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:31,519 in the cameras and it's not commercially available, and so shift these cameras down 99 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:37,080 and for quite a long time, I went down there and worked in their 100 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:45,120 experiments callice equipment, and I wasn't expecting that everything was going to go as 101 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,879 well as it did, and I just left my equipments after ranch. For 102 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,960 a couple of months, I just sat there and I would fly back to 103 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,320 my office in Washington State and work for a week, and then oh, 104 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,519 I got to get back to the ranch. And I go back to the 105 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,279 ranch, work another week, and then go back to my office. And 106 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,559 it's just I lost track of how many times I traveled back and forth. 107 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,240 And there were a couple of times I could have worked there, but I 108 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:13,120 had to take care of business at the office that I couldn't I couldn't do 109 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,480 everything at once, But what a fantastic experience and what a fantastic group of 110 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,679 people work with I've got. Now we seem to be having a little bit 111 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,480 of an audio issue. Are you Are you using a mic? There? 112 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,279 Is it? Is it quieter or is it louder? It sounds people are 113 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,960 saying it sounds like you're far off, a little bit garbaged. Okay, 114 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:41,320 a little bit garbled. Okay, let me get closer and let me use 115 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,120 on the mike. No, I'm using the microphone here on the How's this 116 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,200 is this any better? Yeah? You're probably gonna have to be up up. 117 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,320 Okay, I'll get closer to it. So it must just be drowning 118 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,879 out. It may be some of the auxiliary equipment behind me drowning it out. 119 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,960 Well, uh yeah. Skin Walker Ranches is quite an interesting place, 120 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:09,279 and Brandon I had talked to him offline and I sort of got invited out 121 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,600 out there. But he had to check, you know, with I forget 122 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:18,440 who he had to check with the studio or something whatever the filming. You 123 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,720 know, it would be too much of a big deal basically because they would 124 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,759 basically basically, basically, it would have to be babysat to be out there. 125 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,399 In other words, you know, they can't just let me out there 126 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,200 wandering. But my producer and I we were all excited about head and out 127 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,399 out there. But I don't think that's that's going to happen anytime soon. 128 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,039 But I just got to tell you what someone said to me. They said, 129 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,159 oh, you don't want to go out there, the hitchhiker effect. 130 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:48,720 So I want to know, have you heard any anybody talk about that directly? 131 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,759 Yes, there's some people who did experience that, and I believe them. 132 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,039 I just didn't think there was any because they kept it. I didn't 133 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,799 talk about it in media or anything. I certainly didn't experience it. When 134 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,960 I was there. I got a sense of presence, if anything to describe. 135 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:13,240 It's like you're being watched, but it's not a menacing or threatening in 136 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,840 any way. You just feel like there's something watching you. Cool and as 137 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,200 long as you behave yourself, nothing will happen. And that was as long 138 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,799 as you stand in line. The only thing that happened that was uncomfortable. 139 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,279 It was on my first day of filming. We were standing in a circle 140 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,200 and we were dialoguing, and this dialogue was going on for about ten minutes, 141 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,679 and a large bug was biting me on the back of the neck and 142 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:43,639 it was stinging really bad, and I had to stand smiling in front of 143 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,679 the camera the whole time while this was going on. And then as soon 144 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,000 as the cameras went down, I quickly slapped and there was a puddle of 145 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:54,799 blood in my hand and a bug falling down, and everybody said, why 146 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:58,240 didn't you do that? I didn't want to wreck the scene, but I 147 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,120 had a big wealth on the back of my neck, and they next time 148 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,480 that happened, just lap, it will reshoot. So I just beared with 149 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,200 the torture. But yeah, a lot of biting bugs that were annoying. 150 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,559 No, when you say if you step out a line, what exactly does 151 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,080 that mean? I kind of think that whatever presence it is, if you 152 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,679 want to call it that, it's more like I think if your mental state 153 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,519 is of some form of selfishness or ill intent, you know that maybe that's 154 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,759 how things would happen against you. I didn't feel threatened in any way, 155 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:33,879 that was the thing. It was never that, And I thought, well, 156 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:37,159 maybe it's the power of suggestion. You know, if I send you 157 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,080 to a facility, an old house, and I say it's haunted, there's 158 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,559 ghosts running around, you might have that inclination to think that there's a ghost 159 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,320 in that house because someone told you. But in this case, you know, 160 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,240 I know how to keep my perspective where you go into a scene and 161 00:12:54,360 --> 00:13:01,120 expect things. And I certainly saw things which weren't do commented that was seen 162 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:09,480 an instrumentation that didn't make the cut that I know were truly anomaloist. And 163 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:15,279 that was another thing that I witnessed that I can't explain. So I know 164 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,799 there's a real genuine phenomenon happening at the ranch. Now do you actually stay 165 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,600 there at the ranch? I mean there's no hotel nearby, right, I 166 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,559 mean no, no, I would. I would work there. We would 167 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,039 start from about three o'clock in the afternoon and then work all the way till 168 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,519 about five in the morning. I mean, just really long hours. And 169 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,600 I remember one after the first episode I was shown and I'm being interviewed and 170 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,039 it's about five in the morning, and I'm just exhausted. I got these 171 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,799 huge bags under my eyes and I'm just trying to stay conscious and at least 172 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:56,799 articulate a dialogue on this. But this was they worked very hard. They 173 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,440 filmed and do a lot of film. And now a hotel I would stayed 174 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,679 at was in Vernal, so I ended after filming, I would drive all 175 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,559 the way to Vernal and stay at the hotel, which was about twenty eight 176 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:13,440 five miles from the ranch. M So, oh, did you just say 177 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,240 five miles no, twenty five twenty yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where 178 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,759 I stayed. It was. It was a nice hotel. Yeah, I 179 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,360 would. I would not want to stay there. I could have done it. 180 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,840 There just wasn't any room. I mean, I you know, a 181 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,120 lot of people just stay there and work there, a lot of the crew. 182 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,720 It's a pretty pretty big facility. Now, this is something I think 183 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:43,360 I've asked people from, maybe Travis or other people, Eric perhaps, you 184 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,440 know, you think of the skin Walker Ranch. You can put it on 185 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,559 the map, you can, you can, you know, clarify its boundaries 186 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,240 and all that. But right, these things no no boundaries, you know, 187 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:01,120 I mean, right, what is the I'm just curious of what the 188 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:07,879 spillover is into other areas of these weird and almost things all happening that's probably 189 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,480 not determined yet because we've certainly done a lot of focus at the ranch. 190 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:18,879 There's experimentation that's being conducted that doesn't get filmed, a lot of things that 191 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:24,320 are happening, but it's there seems to be some sort of a big focus 192 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:30,519 at that location. When I entered, I wasn't sure because I hear a 193 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:35,399 lot of you know, UFO skywatches where somebody says this area is a hotspot 194 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,320 or this area is a hotspot, and you can pretty much name any location 195 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:46,960 of skywatching that you would deem it as a hotspot. And at the ranch, 196 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,399 I definitely saw an uptick in this and so there was there was something 197 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,799 there. How much that bleeds over I don't know. I wouldn't I would 198 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,679 assume it wouldn't just stop at the borderlines of the property lines, that it 199 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,440 would, it would work beyond those property lines. And it made me concentrated 200 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,240 in the areas where they experienced the most anomalies. And I know they've talked 201 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,039 about this before a lot of times you hear about deposits, you know, 202 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:18,559 in the geographical deposits like copper, things like that, right, And I 203 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,440 can't remember what if there's any high concentration of any type of metals. There 204 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,440 are you familiar with that? No, I was not privy to any of 205 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,919 the digging that was going on at the time, and so I was not 206 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,600 there when they were drilling, or at least I didn't see it happening while 207 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:40,399 I was doing my experiments, so I couldn't comment on the minerals that have 208 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,600 been excavated or discovered on that phenomenon. I've seen some of the footage of 209 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:51,279 what they were recovering, and it does seem a bit odd as to what 210 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,159 they're finding at certain depths where it doesn't seem to fit the geology in what 211 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,480 you would expect from that type of rock. And what are some of the 212 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,920 equipment that you brought out there? Now, I know you've developed a lot 213 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,160 of your own equipment, which I think is pretty fascinating, some of the 214 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,160 things you've created. What are some things that they wanted you to bring out 215 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:18,319 there and that they actually utilized? Okay, well what we utilized Like on 216 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:23,160 the first episode which I was shown, which I think was called Something's Up 217 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,000 or I forgot. There was a few episodes, and in that episode I 218 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:32,759 used this triple spectrum LightWave transmitter which is behind me. You can see I've 219 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,279 got the ultra violet version of it on and then the full spectrum and then 220 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,920 the infrared one you can't see because it's off camera, and then the control 221 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000 console you see running in the background. That is what I use at Skinwalker 222 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:49,799 Ranch, and that device. What it does is I can modulate either one 223 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:57,720 of those sets with whatever content I want up to beyond audio frequency and we 224 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:02,920 can put it. You can put it data sets. Say you wanted the 225 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:06,559 band Rush is twenty one to twelve album, you could put it on the 226 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,079 ultraviolet or all three sets of or put other bands, put music, or 227 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,240 put sounds of whales and dolphins if you want, I mean, anything you 228 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:22,160 want to put on that data set. Or you can also control those using 229 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,079 some of my inventions, which I'll describe later. But this is what we 230 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:30,400 were using primarily on the first set of experiments, and what we were transmitting 231 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:38,160 was Eric Bard's one point six gigahertz demodulated signal that he had recorded and he 232 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,079 sampled it to me, and then I looped it on the transmitter and aimed 233 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:47,720 it over the triangle vicinity to see if we could trigger a response from anomalist 234 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,839 activity, and I think we did at that episode we had something strained show 235 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,880 up. Is that the modulation that he talked about in the past, I'm 236 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,799 not sure if he's talking about this particular thing, and this is we were 237 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,680 using that this transmitter in that episode. I don't know if you've got to 238 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:11,680 see it, but they actually gave a great animation showing you how this device 239 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,920 works and where it was beaming and what the experiment intension was. And so 240 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,960 the modulation is intensity modulation. It does frequency modulation were called FM modulation, 241 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:27,720 So when you put in a data set, it'll shift the spectrum of that 242 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:32,680 light upper and lower band and then as well as amplitude, so much like 243 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,559 an FM broadcast station. And the object is to try to send out of 244 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:45,279 the electro magnetic spectrum a frequency that is above and beyond anything we're doing in 245 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,319 radio. So in radio we're typically working, you know, in the megahertz 246 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,240 range, and our more advanced communications were going to tans of gigger hurts. 247 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:59,559 And when I'm transmitting on this LightWave transmitter, we're hitting upwards of eight hundred 248 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,640 terra hurts. And I could only assume that anything of advanced technology would be 249 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:10,559 using something that has a higher form in the electromagnetic spectrum because you can put 250 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:14,680 more data sets on it. We're already doing that with fiber optic communications. 251 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:19,359 We found that we could put more information on a fiber optic cable than sending 252 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:26,920 an RS signal through wire. And this is where I would assume that anything 253 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,880 with more advanced technology is going to be playing with light or even beyond the 254 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:40,599 light spectrum. Now what you said there was some type of reaction. Are 255 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:48,119 there different types of anomalies reacting to different things there or is this just some 256 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,799 type of reaction from when this was induced? When when this was induced, 257 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:02,400 they saw what was a purple light, and I glanced and I barely saw 258 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,519 it momentarily, it was definitely purple. On camera, it looked blue, 259 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,519 and so it looked more like something that would have a prosaic explanation, but 260 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,079 it was. It was a purple light, and it was kind of lower. 261 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,359 It was descending down on the horizon, and they picked it up on 262 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,519 camera, and I was not looking at that direction. I had my transmitter 263 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,400 going one direction, and then this light was appearing and they alerted it to 264 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:32,839 my attention and they did catch it on camera, and then Travis had another 265 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:38,880 object with its abnormality. I think he had his night vision on it and 266 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,720 he recorded some object. And a lot of the times I wasn't able to 267 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,240 look up at the sky. I was looking at my monitors and looking at 268 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:53,279 Travis's one point six gigger hurts and trying to keep eyes on other things. 269 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:59,000 So I was relying on the eyes on the skies of other cast members that 270 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:03,680 were diticipating in the experiments. MM. So is this a lot like, 271 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:08,640 Oh, I don't know, a lot of downtime. You know, you're 272 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,799 waiting for something to happen. It seems like that that could be the case. 273 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:17,960 Absolutely yes, and I want to It gives me the opportunity to address 274 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,440 something, and that is I've read some comments where people are saying that, 275 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:27,200 oh, they're they're faking the data at Skinwalker Ranch because if they they don't 276 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,920 have anything, they got to fly drones or they use computers. That's nonsense. 277 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,759 I've been there. I know what happens. What you don't know is 278 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,680 we filmed several evenings where we spun our wheels, we set up our gear. 279 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,559 We you know, Travis and Eric had their experiments. I had my 280 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,920 experiments set up, everything's running and blazing and ready to go, and we 281 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:56,000 got nothing but aircraft and bugs and birds, I mean, nothing out of 282 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,039 the ordinary. And guess what happens. That film doesn't get shown because it's 283 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:07,200 ordinary. There's nothing there, so they just scrap that. And I probably 284 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,519 participated in four or five more other what would have been episodes had there been 285 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:18,839 any activity, but it just simply wasn't activity, so that that those experiments, 286 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,680 although they were filmed, they were not provided just because there wasn't enough 287 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:30,000 anomalous objects or things of interest that would have made it into cinema or made 288 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,319 it into production. So it's what I wanted. The things I wanted to 289 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,319 do is dispel that, Oh, you know, these guys are faking it. 290 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:41,039 It's easy to say that from an armchair debunker role. I mean, 291 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,559 because we watch a lot of programming where there is that kind of content where 292 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:51,119 they don't have anything, so they'll make something up to try to make things 293 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,640 interesting. Yes, yeah, but there seems to be enough going on there. 294 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,160 And you mentioned earlier that you saw some anomalous things that they didn't make 295 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,960 right hutting. Yeah, And I don't want to, and I don't want 296 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,640 to talk about it because I don't know whether or not it'll get presented or 297 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:12,240 and it's not my place to do that under the NDA. But I can 298 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:18,200 just say what I wanted to say, was I know for a fact, 299 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,200 we filmed work. We did a lot of work. There was things that 300 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,279 I thought Eric had recorded that were anomalist, and Travis and myself it didn't 301 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:36,039 make the cut because it wasn't convincing enough from a cinema standpoint, and it's 302 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,880 it's it's a kind of a hard thing to do when you're trying to do 303 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:44,960 scientific research because if you're if you're using two measurements and you get a slight, 304 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,160 a tiny discrepancy between these two measurements, and you know how significant it 305 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,720 is from a physics standpoint, But all it is is creating two dots on 306 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:59,720 a screen or something in a pat form that's not going to convey enough information 307 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:06,039 to entertain or or or convey something anomalous to most viewers, but it would 308 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,640 it would certainly be to some scientists. And so a lot of times when 309 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,759 you're when you're filming, you're you're wanting something bigger, with a lot of 310 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:25,359 physical size and mass where it gives us visual anomalies, and that they we 311 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,359 certainly encountered those things, and those those physical anomalies were documented and shown in 312 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,359 some of these episodes. Mm hmm. Now, uh, I know there's 313 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,079 there's still cattle there, right, and there's still someone in the original rant. 314 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,240 So I'm just wondering, you know. I mean, I guess it 315 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,559 would be part of the show if something was happening to them, right, 316 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,880 I mean, they would certainly, yeah, it would be. And I 317 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,640 know they've had they've had some incidences with cattle. I certainly saw the cattle, 318 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,279 didn't encounter anything or witness anything, and not while I was there with 319 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,640 the cattle. I mean I just looked at him. I saw him with 320 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,240 the fleer, I saw him with night vision. But they were just cows 321 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:14,079 doing their things. Well. The strangest story I read the book that George 322 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,519 Knapp in uh uh keller her. I believe I can't remember who if that's 323 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,680 who it is, or I wrote about Skinwalker Ranch years ago. I read 324 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,400 it and I remember the most bizarre thing that I had heard at that time 325 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,640 was this. It was as if the cow was lifted up in the air 326 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,359 and then dropped as and its head went into this hole, and of course 327 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,359 it was dead and mutilated, you know, but I mean, it was 328 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119 such an odd ball thing. And the other thing that's really crazy when when 329 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,759 they couldn't find the cows anywhere and they were all crammed into some type of 330 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:51,359 bin or something and they had Yeah, they got it there. And how 331 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000 would how would somebody perpetrate a hoax like that? You know? And how 332 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,680 how do you debunk that? I mean, it's it's pretty bizarre. You 333 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,119 can't really figure that one out. It's almost like something is playing a prank 334 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:12,160 or trying to trigger attention and by by doing these odd things that don't make 335 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,640 any sense. But yeah, what could it be? I mean, we 336 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,559 don't know what it is. Yeah, there's definitely something going on there, 337 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,079 and something unexplainable so far. You know, someday we may figure out what 338 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,880 these things are. But there are places in the world that really make you 339 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,640 wonder, make you wonder if it's interdimensional or you know, I mean, 340 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240 what the heck? You know, some of the things that have gone on 341 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,880 at skin Work are almost could pass for being an interdimensional you know, the 342 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,160 portal situation and all that. You know, some of the experiments that they've 343 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:56,960 run and what they get as results are are pretty surprising. And some stuff 344 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,200 that's been shared with me that I just shaking my head. I go, 345 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:07,279 I don't have any explanation, because I understand when you have instrumentation foul up 346 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:12,200 or instrumentation purtivations. I mean, we can have those things can happen, 347 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:18,839 but the kind of data that was recovered wasn't anything by misuse of instrumentation or 348 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,640 miss or instrumentation failure. And it seems to be recurring where they have a 349 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,599 dead spot where just about every GPS or phone or anything that comes within this 350 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:37,279 area it seems to drop out or data gets lost. It's very very faculiar 351 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,880 of how that happens. Yeah, I mean I watched one of the episodes 352 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,240 when they had this strange thing going on in the helicopter. They were in 353 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:51,640 the helicopter. Something new it was happening. I can't really remember exactly what 354 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,480 it was, but it was it didn't make any sense whatever, you know, 355 00:28:55,519 --> 00:29:00,519 I mean, a sophisticated piece of equipment to helicopter right, and the 356 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,079 pilot was trying to navigate it, and uh, and people were saying, 357 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,319 well, it must be the wind or it must be something else. A 358 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:15,680 lot of people like to look for that prosaic explanation for something. And and 359 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,079 because most of the time that's true when you when you take any kind of 360 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,839 anomaly it if you if you just apply that, you're going to probably find 361 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,039 that that'd be factual. But when you go off the word of the pilot, 362 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,920 and the pilot isn't going to jeopardize their reputation, including all of the 363 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:37,960 various high tech companies who have done experiment experiments at the branch, They're not 364 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:47,119 going to underscore their name on something that would be uh faith or or misdiagnosed 365 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,880 in any way, because that can be a career ending choice, especially for 366 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,920 a company or a figurehead of a company. Right now, it's just not 367 00:29:55,039 --> 00:30:00,200 going to happen. And I know I've talked with these people and I can 368 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:07,000 tell they're genuinely intrigued by it because they're instruments behaved a certain way that they 369 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:12,640 were not expecting. And I didn't have instrumentation failure. I just simply saw 370 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:19,559 things in my instrumentation that I couldn't explain. That was the real big surprise. 371 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,559 One I'd like to bring up is the experiment that we did in the 372 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:33,400 episode a frequency occurrence, And in that episode we were using differential Flear. 373 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,839 So this is thermal cameras that I engineered my own circuitry so it would change 374 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:44,240 the transfer function so it could. What it does is samples your video or 375 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:49,000 your frame of your video, and it's sample and holds and then if anything 376 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:56,000 changes within that field of view gets colder or warmer, it'll stand out very 377 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,680 high contrast and easy to detect. So micro changes and temperature. And this 378 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:06,680 is a little different. Then there is uh Flear thermal cameras that use differential 379 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,440 post video in their gas analysis cameras, and these are done to look for 380 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,559 gas leaks, and it's done post video where they do sample, hold display, 381 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,079 sample whole display in like half second intervals. My circuitry works post micro 382 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,880 bolometer and it gives a lot more sensitivity. There's trade offs between the two 383 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,759 approaches, but I'm just looking for paranormal activity. And what we recorded. 384 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,279 Do you want me to run run the first one? Which one? The 385 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,440 one? Uh? Well no, no, this is this was at skin 386 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:48,960 Skinwalker. Yes, okay, so at Skinwalker we aimed the differential flear at 387 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:56,240 the Mesa and we had the Blazing bear Uh playing the drums and singing, 388 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:02,559 and when this happened, the different far was detecting boulders the size of automobiles 389 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:07,200 getting hot. Just the boulders they were heating up. They were detected. 390 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:14,319 The conventional flear didn't detect anything. And I had the cameras pointed parallel and 391 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,359 Eric and Travis were just looking at this, going this is crazy. This 392 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,160 doesn't it doesn't make any sense. And I joked with Eric and I said, 393 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,599 the rocks are getting pissed off, that's why they're getting hot. And 394 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,640 we were seeing this on a consistent basis. Every time they would play, 395 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,000 the boulders would change temperature. When they stopped, the temperatures stabilized, and 396 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,680 we just didn't have any temperature change on the Mesa. And then we had 397 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,799 the striking heat rise that was above the Mesa, which was right above the 398 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:51,039 petroglyphs where they were discovered, and there was an amazing heat rise. And 399 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:55,559 then Eric also recovered off the Fleer video, so the videos were being recorded 400 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:01,359 on my video recorders. And then he revealed the thumb drives that had the 401 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,680 video recordings and found there were two large spheres that kind of disappeared behind the 402 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:15,880 mesa, and they disappeared behind it. But we actually had scale because we 403 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:20,880 have the camera field of view which was twenty four by eighteen degrees, and 404 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,000 the objects were clearly you know, one or two degrees in aperture. And 405 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,799 since we knew the distance of the mesa, we could have done some calculations 406 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,200 to get the actual side of the objects, but just by glancing at it, 407 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,319 they had to have been at least ten feet or fifteen feet diameter, 408 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:44,759 and that probably was covered. But a lot of times when we're describing things 409 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:50,680 on camera about the technicals, it doesn't get shown because we have to describe 410 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000 things in a lot of the layman's terms so that the audience can understand. 411 00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:59,640 And that's another thing I want to bring up. When I talked to Travis 412 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:06,119 and Air off camera, My god, I have never met two guys that 413 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:12,159 were so intelligent, and it was just a pleasure to speak with them in 414 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:19,639 times very challenging, and they don't get to show this really on camera because 415 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,679 if they did, they would just go over go over everybody's head, and 416 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,199 it's not entertaining either. You know, you know it's too technical. Yeah, 417 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:34,760 so, yeah, the differential FLEAR with certainly picked up anomalies that we 418 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,360 weren't able to see with the conventional FLEAR. And I also want to try 419 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:45,760 this out in bigfoot hunting and things because it's so sensitive against the forest or 420 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:52,079 mountain ranges that were we can make some other discoveries using this type of technology. 421 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:58,280 Hmm. Now what about you did send me a couple of these videos 422 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,800 that you recorded, was to record these The videos I recorded were from my 423 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,760 own backyard, and it started to Yeah, before we present these things, 424 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,760 you know, we probably need to talk about a few things, like the 425 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,679 Flear inventions, because people will understand that I'm not just a guy with a 426 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,880 bunch of expensive cameras. I actually engineered circuits within them. There's a Fleer 427 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,599 camera invention that converts heat into sound or cold temperatures into sound, and there's 428 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:36,039 a YouTube video showing that where I'm aiming this camera at a long wave infrared 429 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,239 heat transmitter and playing music from Peter Gabriel on it, and we can hear 430 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,599 music coming in through a Flear camera that I re engineered. And then there's 431 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:52,719 also a video of the moon where I designed a long wave infrared telescope where 432 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,000 it's power focal. You can take a scientific grade camera couple it to this 433 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:01,480 telescope, and I was imaging the Moon, getting details of the creators up 434 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,719 to one hundred magnification, and more importantly, getting passive temperature measurement of the 435 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,559 surface of the Moon. And I have yet to see anyone who's accomplished that. 436 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,840 So in my company, we contract We were a contractor to a thermal 437 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,239 camera manufacturer. I can't say anything beyond that, but that's factual. So 438 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,679 if we're going to go to these Fleer videos, we can probably if you 439 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,719 want to bring those up, we can. We can do that now. 440 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,679 Yeah, sure, I do want to say this though first, that any 441 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,519 of these that we are talking about, they will be in the show notes. 442 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,599 These other things that you've been invented. Sure we have in the YouTube 443 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,320 videos. If you go to the show notes, and the show notes will 444 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,000 be linked to the YouTube text below as well, you can check out all 445 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,039 these videos that you did. So let's and then we have a pretty good 446 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,719 question in chat that I want to put up here, But do you want 447 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,360 to put up the first one? Right? There's one that goes first of 448 00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:05,719 just the item going across the screen. Here we correct, Yeah, go 449 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,440 ahead and do that one. So this was taken September thirtieth, twenty nineteen, 450 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,000 and you'll see it's a trifoil or clover leaf object going across the sky. 451 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:20,400 Now, if you look at the right hand where there's a color barograph, 452 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:27,639 that's the calibrated temperature span and it's an NIST traceable calibration. And if 453 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:32,880 you compare that color of that object to the temperature span, it indicates that 454 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:39,360 that object was very very cold in its anomalist thing. And there's a lot 455 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,159 more I need to explain about emissivity and as to why this is a mystery. 456 00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,480 But we'll be able to answer the question about this object in the next 457 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,760 clip, where if you've got that ready to go, we can see it. 458 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,119 So here's a commercial jet according to ADSB that's the most common is it's 459 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,119 seven forty seven forty seven. And then we got the object again in camera 460 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:10,239 number two, very very strange shape. It's very cold. It's below minus 461 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,880 sixty three fahrenheit. Now, commercial jets can get that cold if they're up 462 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,480 at say thirty five thousand feet whenever I've recorded a commercial jet at thirty five 463 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:25,559 thousand feet, it's still white hot dot. That object is still in aperture 464 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:31,159 or size comparable to the jet. That jet. I've already done the aspect 465 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,320 ratio and the trigonometry, so the camera field of U is twenty four by 466 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,079 eighteen degrees. That jet was at seventy five hundred feet, so and then 467 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:45,239 that object being cold, if it's at thirty five thousand feet, it is 468 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:52,800 larger than a seven forty seven if it's indicating its environment. And so this 469 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,639 is what makes it a mystery. When you have the rule of emissivity, 470 00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:00,000 and let me explain about that. A commercial jet being made of aluminum, 471 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,880 it's not very highly emissive. It has a lot of reflection. So most 472 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,400 of what you see as heat on the underside of that jet is actually the 473 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,960 ground base or the soil. The heat radiating upward is long wave infrared reflecting 474 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,239 back under the jet like a mirror back to the camera. So the commercial 475 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:24,199 jets will always register much hotter than they actually are. Now, if it's 476 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,840 say that was a Black Project stealth bomber, which would have a highamissivity and 477 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,320 low reflectivity, then we were going to see the heat from the cowlings of 478 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:43,159 the motor or the engines, and it wouldn't appear that massive if it was 479 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440 up at thirty five thousand feet. So we have this physics problem. How 480 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:52,719 do you explain something that has this shape and this apparent temperature where if you 481 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:59,800 apply the rule of emissivity and reflectivity, and my cameras also have programmable you 482 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:07,000 can put in relative humidity distance of object and lens temperature to make correction factors 483 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,719 if you're going to try to get to the real nitty gritty about how accurate 484 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,679 the temperature measurement. But we can clearly see from that second clip that the 485 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,039 object is much colder than the commercial jet. And this has been something I 486 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:25,880 have recurringly recorded, not that particular shape. I've had similar shapes, but 487 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:32,039 they're very cold. And this is the part that makes me think that it's 488 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,599 something else that's going on, because there have been times I have recorded these 489 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:43,239 objects in the Fleer cameras and I've got more video and then I take out 490 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,199 my Gen three night vision Gentry plus night vision and look for them, and 491 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:51,760 I can't see that they're not visible in Gen thry night vision and There's been 492 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,320 a couple occasions where I was filming in daylight, I would look up at 493 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,760 the sky and there was absolutely nothing there. And these objects were large enough 494 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,519 that they were if you were to hold your hand out at arm's length and 495 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,320 span your hand, you couldn't miss them. And you know, I've got 496 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:15,079 better than twenty twenty vision, So I don't know what you know what to 497 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,440 explain from it where it's not in the human visible spectrum, which is like 498 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,679 between three hundred and eighty about seven to fifty nanometers. The night vision will 499 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:29,280 go out to about one thousand to eleven hundred nanometers. I'm finding these objects 500 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:36,920 in the thirteen thousand to fourteen thousand nanometer wavelengths and almost as if they're like 501 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,280 they're encroaching in a dimension, or they're just or they're extremely low mass and 502 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,800 they are not showing enough mass against the warmer background, but against the colder 503 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,960 background. And this is the thing I need to clarify, is when you 504 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,679 take a thermal camera of scientific grade, you point it at the sky, 505 00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:00,960 the background sky temperature is much colder than the end ambient air, So you 506 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,760 could be outside in at seventy degrees fahrenheit, and you think, oh, 507 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000 I'm going to get that if I measure it on a clear sky, you're 508 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:14,559 probably going to measure minus fifty or something in that neighborhood because the atmosphere will 509 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,519 raise the absolute zero of outer space to a nominal value just by its atmosphere. 510 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,239 And so the ideal situation for recording these objects is you want to have 511 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:31,400 a cold sky so that the colder objects are easily detected and can be video 512 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,000 recorded. Go ahead, Oh no, no, it's just I was just 513 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,519 going to say, and I didn't mean to interrupt you. It was that 514 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,199 it makes you wonder if these things have always been flying around and we're just 515 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:52,280 getting the capability to see them in the spectrum. Yeah. And it was 516 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,400 purely by accident when this discovery happened. So it was back in two thousand 517 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,679 and five. I'll never forget. It was May third, two thousand and 518 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:06,719 five. I was using my test lab, a cryogenically cooled thermal camera. 519 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,679 It was a seventy thousand dollars camera using it, and I'd also have an 520 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,039 astrophotography hobby, and I thought, well, maybe it will work, but 521 00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,320 probably not enough sensitivity. But I do get commercial jets playing overhead, so 522 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,039 it should look kind of cool if I record this. So I brought the 523 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:30,400 camera home and I was panning it around in my backyard, and within fifteen 524 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,440 minutes it's still daylight. I mean the sun was just starting to set. 525 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,559 I see an object in the sky that I cannot explain, and it was 526 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:43,199 a boomerang shape and a V shape. The thermal camera is calibrated temperature SPAN 527 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:47,400 measured it at minus thirty fahrenheit just right off. It moves slow or both 528 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,519 objects moved slow, and they didn't make any sound, and I caught it 529 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,519 on video and I could not see it. I looked straight up, looked 530 00:43:54,559 --> 00:44:01,320 up at the sky, and I uttered the acronym repeatedly WTF, and recorded 531 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,800 these objects as they went overhead. And ever since then, I was hooked 532 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:14,480 on doing thermography research of this phenomenon because it was not expected, and finding 533 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,079 that there's things flying above us that we can't actually see with genree night vision 534 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:38,800 or with our own vision. Okay, I think I lost yet, I 535 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:47,840 guess I'll just keep talking about flear. So what I qualify on those strange 536 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,119 objects that I've recorded is the camera's field of you. We know that it's 537 00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:58,760 a twenty four degree by eighteen degree field of view. The object that was 538 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,960 recorded could not be a satellite, because a satellite. If you look at 539 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,880 the International Space Station, which is our largest satellite, it's down at two 540 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,119 hundred and fifty four miles above the surface of the Earth. The largest that 541 00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,039 satellite would appear in the field of view of any camera is going to be 542 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:22,039 fifty one arc seconds, which is pretty tiny. Unlikely that that will even 543 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,880 show up as a single pixel on the field of view of the cameras that 544 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,360 I was using. And when you have something of larger aperture or larger size, 545 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,039 it's impossible for that to be a satellite. And these are objects that 546 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:40,599 are appearing in highly controlled airspace, because I know for a fact that it's 547 00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,360 highly controlled. Some years back, at a friend of mine who was given 548 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,400 me pilot training, and we were flying assessment at one seventy two over my 549 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:52,480 house. We had the IFR system, and I learned quickly about there's just 550 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:59,159 no way anybody could just decide they're going to fly some erroneous aircraft within this 551 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,719 airspace. Where is Boweing seven thirty seven's going, you know, exiting out 552 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,159 of SeaTac Airport going right above my house. It's just not going to happen. 553 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,280 They're not going to fly these crafts in highly controlled airspace. They're going 554 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,519 to take them into other locations. And so if they are our crafts, 555 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,320 then they're not producing any heat. And they are much larger by magnitudes, 556 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,960 larger than a Boeing seven forty seven. So some of these objects I've recorded 557 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,079 and cleared. I was also showing them to William Puckett who runs UFOs and 558 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:37,079 W. He is a retired meteorologist, and I gave him the temperature readback 559 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,519 and he said, well about objects at ninety thousand feet and so I did 560 00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:45,159 the trigonometry get given how much area that thing occupied. It came out too 561 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,320 that the object was twenty two hundred feet across, which is nearly a quarter 562 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,119 mile. That's just impossible, you know, there's no way we would be 563 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:59,599 doing that. And maybe its resembling. I mean, it was a V 564 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,360 shape object, so maybe it had something to do with what was I recorded 565 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,400 in two thousand and five. So it certainly wasn't the exact object that was 566 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:15,239 recorded in the Phoenix lights incident. Yeah, well, I was hoping to 567 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,039 take calls. We didn't. We kind of ran out of time, but 568 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:23,599 Savior good questions. For next week we will be having a call in show. 569 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,480 So here is a question though I thought it was a pretty good one 570 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:34,679 right here from Space Cow. Do you think harmonics hold more data than a 571 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,920 single tone? In which light color would transfer the most data? Thanks, 572 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,760 that would be ultra violet just because it's a higher frequency, then you could 573 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,960 put more data sets on it above like what would be a visible But if 574 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000 you go even higher than ultra violet, if you go into the X rays 575 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,440 or gamma rays, if you have such a transmitter, you would theoretically be 576 00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:02,199 able to put even more data sets on that type of transmitter. So we're 577 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:07,159 already doing this in fiber optics. We're going from we were using fiber optics 578 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:13,280 I think they were around eighteen hundred nanometer, and now we're pushing the envelope 579 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,119 of ultra violet. They're saying with the Blu ray DVD players, we went 580 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,679 from red to ultra violet because we have a narrower band and we can put 581 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:30,400 more information there was there used to be. I remember hearing years ago this 582 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:38,800 rumor that fiber optics was alien technology reverse technology. I heard, yeah, 583 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,360 I heard that. I'm not agree on how it was created. Yeah, 584 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,599 that was also alongside about night vision technology, and night vision technology actually was 585 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,920 developed in the mid nineteen thirties by you know, Germans and Americans. And 586 00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:01,199 if you compare that type of tube, which was a the image intensifier, 587 00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:07,840 where it has a photocathode, a accelerator and then a P thirty one phosphor 588 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:15,360 and the only difference between today's night vision technology when we're talking about image intensifiers 589 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,679 is that we introduced the micro channel plate with internally of the intensifier, so 590 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,920 it gave a much higher order of electron amplification. So when we were using 591 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,599 night vision technology, we had gains of maybe one hundred or two hundred. 592 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,440 Then we had Gen one, which gave us a gain of one thousand, 593 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,519 and then Gen two got us to about gain a twenty five thousand. Now 594 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,039 we're up to about one hundred and fifty thousand with Gen three plus and then 595 00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:45,760 what's also being called Gen four, which is Gen three filmless. But the 596 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:52,320 only difference is the photocathode material is different, and that there's the micro channel 597 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,920 plate which was introduced in the nineteen seventies is Gen two, and there's certainly 598 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,079 big differences on that. So it's vacuum tube technology still and he continue to 599 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:08,119 evolve our CCD technology. There are some low light CCD cameras that are striking 600 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,920 very impressive. They're actually better than the Gen one technology. They're not quite 601 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,239 at the GEM two or Gen three. And because I own them all and 602 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,039 I read the propaganda and do the testing, and you're still nothing's going to 603 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:28,360 be the Gen three image and the fire that's solid state, but fiber optic 604 00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,400 it was discovered. I mean they've been using that in the fifties when it 605 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:37,000 was developed. And finding a way to couple light information through the fiber optics 606 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:44,079 is what we discovered for enhancing our communications because then it's not going to pick 607 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,400 up noise from long distances. You don't need to use twin leads to filter 608 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,800 that out. Do you think there's that we will be in the future inventing 609 00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:02,199 more technologies to get information that we don't even realize might exist at this point? 610 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:07,280 In other words, we're talking about the spectrum for one, when it 611 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,280 comes to the radio waves or whatever. Do you think that's that there is 612 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,679 something beyond that that we don't even know about yet that we could. Yeah, 613 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,840 it's kind of like when we think about the discovery of electricity, or 614 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,480 when Nicola Tesla invented radio, which I credit him and not that other joker 615 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:32,039 who got great, he's stole some things. Well, yeah, actually he 616 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:36,239 got rejected at the patent office, not Nicola, and Nicola had the patent 617 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:43,159 on it. Marcony came back with some high powered lawyers and said, hey, 618 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,440 you know, it's an invention, and so then he got he got 619 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,760 granted on the thing. It was all political. Anything Nicola Tesla was was 620 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,800 not respected and because he was so anti establishment in a great mind. But 621 00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:02,079 yes, there's probably other medians other than the electro magnetic spectrum, and maybe 622 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:09,440 they've already been discovered, but they haven't been endoctrined as scientific fact because we 623 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,960 have to see repeatability on things. And that's that's one of the problems in 624 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,679 science. It's all about cause and effect and repeatability. And if we can't 625 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,519 repeat something. You say, you stumble on something that's a phenomenon that's of 626 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:30,519 natural source, but we can't repeat it, and then it will never be 627 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,639 accepted in science. And we run into so many problems where discoveries are never 628 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,519 brought into fruition because of that, and it becomes it's also very political on 629 00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,719 that. You know, when we're talking about Nikola Tesla, much of his 630 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:52,199 downside was the politics that went against him. And there are many great minds 631 00:52:52,400 --> 00:53:00,360 who are developing technologies that have ideas that they can't implement them because it takes 632 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,440 people out of their comfort zone. Right, hang on, just one second. 633 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,280 I want to say goodbye to everyone over at KG or A radio. 634 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,199 We'll be back next week. Get your UFO story in order. We're going 635 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,000 to do a call in show next week, So thank you over there, 636 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,000 and we're going to continue on a little longer over on this side. Thank 637 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:24,519 you. So as far as Tesler goes, you know, I think it's 638 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:34,280 fascinating that if he had his first contract honored with Westinghouse, which was five 639 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,840 dollars for every single horse power of every vote or ever, he would have 640 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:45,119 been absolutely beyond Rockefeller and wealthy. Unfortunately, he died a poor man. 641 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,440 Yes you did, I mean, and I think you tore up that contract 642 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,039 because he saw how it would more or less bankrupt Westinghouse. So we tore 643 00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,559 up that contract. I mean, and if he only had a manager, 644 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,840 they'd say, okay, let's give a dollar horsepower will help you out, 645 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,039 some kind of a compromise where he had a comfortable living and then many able 646 00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,719 to buy more equipment so he could have done more research. And that just 647 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:14,920 the unfortunate side and whatever happened to all his you know, the documents that 648 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,480 are just plain missing, you know, I mean all these things. I 649 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,840 mean, some of his stuff was way out there, but you never know, 650 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,639 I mean, the guy was beyond genius. You know. I'm sure 651 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,639 much of it was confiscated and hidden. Some of it thought that it could 652 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,119 be implemented in military research, and some of it probably wasn't going to be 653 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,119 useful, but it still got confiscated because at the time there was nobody else 654 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,400 thinking the way he was thinking and developing as he was developing. Yeah, 655 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:46,840 definitely was kind of a scary one. But you know, the possibility of 656 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:53,159 being able to have, you know, to garner the power of the universe 657 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,800 through these towers and things like that, that was that was fascinating. Yeah, 658 00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:01,519 the problem he ran into was the scale and then trying to implement a 659 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:07,360 transmitter that would transmit a power source that everybody could tap into. And it's 660 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,760 a problem of scale and then efficiency, so you have to it's inherently not 661 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,639 very efficient. But I think when he was trying to implement that, it 662 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:21,920 struck a lot of fear in the politicians who felt that they couldn't control it 663 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,519 and a monetize it in some way, just like if somebody else did this 664 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:29,519 invention, similar to Nikola Tesla, where they can say, well, you 665 00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,760 don't need to pay the power company, here's a free way to get energy. 666 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,400 I mean, whoever whoever invents that's going to wind up dead. I 667 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,480 mean I say, lots and lots of people will be dead before that would 668 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,880 ever get out there. Yeah. Well, I'm telling you I'm not suicidal. 669 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,639 I'm not going to stab myself on the back and throw myself off a 670 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:51,159 bridge. I have no intention of doing that. But this is the kind 671 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:57,639 of stuff that happens to some people that make discoveries that are making a threat 672 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,000 to industry. And this is what you know, we have to be cognizant 673 00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:06,000 of. So if anybody does make these kinds of discoveries, it's unlikely we're 674 00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:09,199 going to see it come to fruition. Unfortunately. Well, I'm going to 675 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,719 tell you a story. I know this is way off the UFO topic, 676 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,440 but I think it's Halloween. It's Halloween. I can tell I can tell 677 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:20,480 a story. Well, my father, my father was not one to b 678 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,119 s if he came home and told us, you know, a story or 679 00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:29,039 whatever. Uh you know, we we'd listened to him because he was just 680 00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,320 one of these these guys, never paid a bill, wait once and all 681 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,880 that type of guy. So he, uh, he came home one day. 682 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,320 He had his own business and was in an upholstery shop and later in 683 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,800 the antique and auctions and stuff like that. So but he came home one 684 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,880 day and he said that this friend of his through the upholstery business had bought 685 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,559 a new Buick and he drove it. And I do remember him saying it 686 00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:57,199 was a buick and he drove it, and he drove it, and he 687 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,760 drove it and he drove like a hundred miles and he said, the gas 688 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,119 gage is broken. I'm going to, you know, bring this back to 689 00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:07,800 the dealer. And he but before he went back there, he went pulled 690 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:13,159 up into a gas station and it took a gallon or so of gas. 691 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,800 That was it. So he lifted the hood and it said test equipment, 692 00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:22,480 and so he drove it back to the dealer and they supposedly gave him two 693 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:27,039 cars to not talk about it. Well, of course he talked about it 694 00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,679 to my father. Now, I don't you know, my father wouldn't be 695 00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:34,639 as I can't speak for his friend who told the story, But I mean, 696 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:38,039 it would be remarkable if we had that type of technology in the nineteen 697 00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:44,440 seventies, that's when it was, and we were holding it, you know, 698 00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:46,960 I mean, think of all the countless you know, pollution et cetera, 699 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,519 et cetera, et cetera, that and waste, if that, if 700 00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:55,960 that was story fruit, there may be some truth by it. I know 701 00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:02,719 of an account of a solar panel developed in the nineteen seventies and a colleague 702 00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:07,280 of mine who actually had a copy of the patent and he was following up 703 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,000 on it because he wanted to buy the solar panel so he could put it 704 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,840 on the roof of his own house and tell the power companies that, you 705 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,280 know what. And he followed up with the engineers that were developing the technology 706 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,920 and they'd actually published an article and when he went back on site, the 707 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,760 people were gone, and he goes, well, where's so and so? 708 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:31,679 They're not here anymore? He retired? Where's he? Oh? He left? 709 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:37,360 And finally somebody took my colleague a side and said, I'm not going 710 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,760 to say, but it was an oil company who bought the invention and retired 711 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,480 the people that invented it. And so it was in the drafts at what 712 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,559 I got to see, they weren't complete, and who knows that this actually 713 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:59,119 got to be into something the fruition. But yeah, it was an oil 714 00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:04,599 company who in essence spot it to squash it so that it wouldn't get developed 715 00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:08,480 out because it was competing against their best interests. Sure, well the roller, 716 00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:13,119 you know, you think of the paintbrush and the paint roller, and 717 00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:19,400 the paint roller was suppressed for dozens of years. Sure, you know because 718 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,480 of you would put the paintbrush companies out of business. Oh sure, they 719 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:28,280 probably villainized the inventor, you know, said that he was killing puppies or 720 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,679 whatever to make people not buy that product. Right, that's the unfortunate thing 721 00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:36,440 that happens, and it even happens in science, where if somebody is making 722 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:44,880 a discovery, there is often professional jealousy or fear that attacks that person where 723 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,760 they'll try to dig up some dirt on somebody. Uh, you know, 724 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,840 it's it's it's crazy what happens with the stories I hear from people who are 725 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,320 trying to develop things out and then they write back to me, this is 726 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,559 what's happening to me. And all I did was, I said, working 727 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:07,800 amongst people who are jealous, who are are except that you're making the discovery 728 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,400 before they're making it, and so they're going to try to debunk your work 729 01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,480 and push their work forward, and much of its political as they're looking for 730 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:22,719 finances from the government. And I was really shocked at how this has really 731 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:29,039 become the mainstream of scientific community where somebody who's trying to do research and then 732 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:37,679 publishes a discovery that they get attacked immediately in any cases where because it's a 733 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:42,760 conflict of interest with somebody else. Yeah, I mean this, I'm surprised 734 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,599 I haven't heard we haven't heard a lot about this. But they've discovered in 735 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:52,599 South Africa recently a building that was a notched logs that were put together in 736 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:59,039 primitive tools that was six hundred and seventy thousand years old. And how come 737 01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,719 we're not hearing much about that. That seems like that would be you know, 738 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,440 they have to rewrite history and that they would have to. Yeah, 739 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,920 anyone that has can go in and google that. The sources are good, 740 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,400 so yeah, not a lot. It takes them out of their comfort zone. 741 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,800 And I think there's much a better history we don't understand. And then 742 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,719 when those discoveries are made, they want more data to corroborate it and maybe 743 01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:29,119 they'll rewrite it. But it certainly agitates people who have been asserting this is 744 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,960 what's happened and how it's done, and they've written their books, and then 745 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,639 to have somebody come along and say I've got evidence to show something completely different. 746 01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,280 Yeah. Yeah, that type of stuff is fascinating to me. And 747 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:43,440 I believe we know, you know, we have amnesia basically of our past, 748 01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,599 and who knows how many things are a raster yet to be found or 749 01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:51,960 underground never to be found. It's our objects that are objects out of place, 750 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:58,599 where they find an artifact that indicates something high order advanced civilization, but 751 01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:01,679 it's it's too old to be there. And yeah, and some of those 752 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:05,559 are hoaxes. I mean, we have to be aware of a books factor 753 01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:08,760 that's out there, and there's a tremendous even in this UFO UAP field. 754 01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:14,440 I get inundated with videos. People copy me and say what do you think? 755 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,159 And I can tell it's been it's a hoax generated on a computer, 756 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,119 or it's a satellite out of focus, or yes, has a prosaic explanation. 757 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,679 Very little of the content that I see has actually got genuine phenomenon that 758 01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:30,920 you can't be explained. I get. I get quite a I get quite 759 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,119 a bit, and a lot of people don't want to hear. They don't 760 01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,239 want to hear the truth. You know. I'm not going to leave it 761 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:45,519 at that because of a kind of a current situation. This is a question 762 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:50,599 asked by Truth Secret David. What is a good entry level piece of equipment 763 01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,719 for the average person. It really depends on what you're looking for. Yeah, 764 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,960 I'm gonna say from a budget standpoint, I recommend that people that are 765 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:04,679 interested in any of this phenomenon is, first off, don't just give people 766 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,679 who have groups that say they want your money because they're going to promise the 767 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,280 moon or whatever. If you've got money, buy your own equipment and do 768 01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,599 your own research. And the first thing you could start with is a pair 769 01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,800 of seven by fifty binoculars. And when you buy binoculars, you'll want to 770 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,119 spend about one hundred bucks or more because if you buy the lower cost seven 771 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:28,639 by fifties, you're probably going to be disappointed. You'll get a pair of 772 01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:32,800 binoculars with plastic lenses or lenses that aren't properly coated. And seven by fifty 773 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,880 is good for the low light gathering at night. You'll get a full illumination 774 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,920 of the exit pupil. That's why we go by using that particular aspect ratio 775 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,599 of binoculars. The next stage above that is to get a low light camera 776 01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,440 that has video record capability, and there were a number of them on the 777 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,840 market. I don't want to start mentioning products because I don't want to inflate 778 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,639 tires on something that I shouldn't or something, but there are a number of 779 01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:05,760 them that are priced in the four hundred dollars range and up where they work 780 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,039 very well. They do a video record. You can use these to record 781 01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:15,760 anomalous activities that are happening in the sky, and that'll that would fall in 782 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,360 that range. And the other requirement of that is having some comfortable furniture to 783 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:26,639 sit on when you when you're stargazing and using this equipment. And the next 784 01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:33,239 level would be considering night vision technology. And I've done a demo video about 785 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:38,519 the Gen one, Gen two, and Gen three night vision technology. You'll 786 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:43,239 find that you'll at least want to buy Gen two or Gen three in that 787 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,239 category of night vision technology. And you're going to be spending somewhere between like 788 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,840 twenty five hundred and fifty five hundred dollars for something like that. But you'd 789 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:58,559 be really surprised at how often when you use that technology under dark skies you'll 790 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:04,280 see anomalist activity where it's not satellites, it's not meteors. I've seen objects 791 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,320 just they look like a satellite and I track it and then it just makes 792 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,519 a right angle turn. That's not a satellite, And that's this confirmation that 793 01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:18,119 there's something very strange happening above us in the nights. Guys, what do 794 01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:28,000 you think is the best equipment right now? Like, let's just go and 795 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,400 think about it in this way. You know, AA ro O, you 796 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,800 know says they're looking for better data, they want better data. What would 797 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:46,199 you think that someone like them are looking for I mean or I mean, 798 01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:50,400 it seems to me they would have enough by now of information to say that 799 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,719 there's really something going on here, you know, But I mean, what 800 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,360 type of data? You know? This is a good question because it's what 801 01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:02,320 people want to accept his data. For me, if I see a dot 802 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,920 in the sky moving at a right angle turn, that already convinces me I 803 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,519 know that's not a drone or a satellite or anything that has an easy explanation. 804 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:16,719 Many people want to have a something that looks like an alien craft out 805 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:23,800 of Hollywood in order for them to accept that we're looking at something anomalous I'm 806 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,639 a believer, or that if you're doing a skywatcher research, you want to 807 01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:33,679 have a multitude of broad spectrum instruments because the phenomenon gets detected on different spectrums. 808 01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:40,519 So that means long wave infrared FLEAR, maybe even medium wave infrared flear 809 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,920 SWEAR, which is short wave infrared, which I haven't actually done any research 810 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:53,280 yet, conventional cameras, cameras that have some infrared detection and ultraviolet, but 811 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,519 to try to cover as much area of the sky with as broad at spectrum 812 01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:02,840 as possible, And this is the thing that is the problem with This phenomenon 813 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:08,079 I got to bring up here is there's there's so much garbage information that's out 814 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:15,039 there, and it's contaminating real data that's that's being presented, and it's it 815 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,639 makes it to the point that no matter what video you take. So if 816 01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:24,679 you take something that is just striking and has provenence and it has a commercial 817 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,079 jet with it and a pilot who saw it, and you can just go 818 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:32,199 down the line and you'll never convince everybody. It's because the technology we have 819 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:38,840 for faking this stuff has gotten out of handy and we're never gonna no one's 820 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,760 ever going to take that smoking gun video that will convince everybody. So that's 821 01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:49,159 and debunkers know that, they know they sit back and do that. And 822 01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:55,360 we and your we've got the other issues because we got debunkers. We're professional 823 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,119 self promoter promoters. They get called out every time a video is called out, 824 01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,519 so they get their name when they get to be on TV and talk 825 01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:05,920 as a debunker, and they make money at it. So but then they're 826 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,960 being fed a lot of garbage information or garbage videos that need to be debunked. 827 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,880 So maybe there isn't a problem. We probably actually need more debuntors to 828 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,439 take care of that. Then we've got people who are self promoters, Charlatan's 829 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:26,479 who are faking stuff or telling stories that aren't real in order to garner the 830 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,479 attention, to get followers, to separate people from their money, people who 831 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:35,880 are then converting this into a religious sector where they're telling us that ET is 832 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:41,800 here to fix the ozone and clean up our oceans and make the forest better 833 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,279 and YadA YadA. But understand ET needs money too, And this is what 834 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:51,960 is going on. And it's absolutely frustrating to see it happen because there's a 835 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:58,479 small section of real data that is occurring, that there's people who are presenting 836 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,880 stuff that is real data, and it's being smothered in the noise floor of 837 01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:06,920 garbage information. Yeah, and I don't know if there's an answer to it. 838 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,119 And if somebody films a UFO landing and greeny green aliens come out and 839 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,479 shake hands and meet with one hundred people and take off and it's all videotaped 840 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:24,039 and they leave a fragment of their spacecraft, probably isn't going to get much 841 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:30,479 noteworthy attention. It's right, and it is because there's so much moneying and 842 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:36,319 also we've kind of missed the boat of a time period where we can show 843 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:42,960 a video or a really good picture because now as you're mentioning with AI right 844 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,560 now, anything can be fait and anything may be really good. So that's 845 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:53,840 gone that time unless you have an old video, an old photo, right, 846 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,800 the old vintage phonos and videos that couldn't be hoxed, and those are 847 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:02,640 the ones we can rely on. I also recommend people to look at the 848 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:09,720 down links from NASA in the ISS and the spacewalks that they've done where they've 849 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:15,880 had anomalous objects in the sky or in space making right angle turns or just 850 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,199 appearing out of nowhere. And these are described as being ice crystals or I 851 01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:24,800 like space debris. Yeah, there's lots of you what is space degree? 852 01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:30,680 And then they'll say meteors, which are actually objects that are shooting out of 853 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:36,039 the Earth and going out into outer space and apparently they disintegrate in where there's 854 01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:41,520 no oxygen. I mean, so they're really bad explanations that are given, 855 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,520 and often the explanations are more ridiculous than accepting that you have something anomalous happening. 856 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,880 But then you're putting them in a position an awkward position. So if 857 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:55,079 I was a spokesperson for NASA and somebody sent me a video of something anomalous 858 01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:59,279 and I'm hired there, I'm going to debunk it. I'm going to tell 859 01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:03,920 you throw a prosaic explanation, no matter what it is, and no matter 860 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,079 how convincing it is, because I don't want to lose my job, and 861 01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:12,680 that's just what happens. And so people don't understand that, and they'll think, 862 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,880 well, since the spokesperson said it was this, and then we're just 863 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,199 gonna call it case closed and move on. And you often find that the 864 01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:26,800 debunkers never do their research. They never do you know, they're working from 865 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,479 an armchair. They don't interview people, they don't look at the data. 866 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,439 And this is also the problem of not the debunkers, but the people who 867 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:39,960 are promoting this, where they look at something without doing the proper research. 868 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:45,960 Like I have had many videos sent to me by people which I really thought 869 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,920 there was more credibility to their understanding in being skeptical, and when they sent 870 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,960 me these videos, I thought they were playing a joke on me, and 871 01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:58,399 they weren't. They were actually believing that it was real and they wanted my 872 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,560 stamp of approval. I'm going this is can you see the physics wrong? 873 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:08,279 What's wrong with it? There's been several faked videos where they show the moon 874 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,039 and objects appearing around it. There was one that came out a couple of 875 01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:16,279 years ago. The shadows are in the wrong places. The object changes its 876 01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:21,079 mass in a relatively short change around the moon, where when you look at 877 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:25,680 the distance of the Moon in the space, it wouldn't increase in apparent size 878 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,840 by fifty percent or two hundred percent I think is what it was based on. 879 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,439 About the rotation, it would not even be one percent for its distance 880 01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:39,640 that it made. So somebody who engaged that or created that, which was 881 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,800 also an anonymous supplier, had actually faked it. I saw another one that 882 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,119 was actually done pretty good where somebody was videotaping the moon and there was a 883 01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:55,520 plume appearing on offset from it looked interesting, and then they panned back with 884 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,880 the camera to show the field of view and the background and power poles, 885 01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:03,119 and I go, gee, that's funny. The sunlight that's showing the position 886 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,159 of the moon and its shape of the crescent of the moon shows that the 887 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:11,520 sun's coming from a ten o'clock position, but the shadows are coming from a 888 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,800 five o'clock position according to the power poles in the trees, So it's obviously 889 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,239 a faked video. It was done pretty well, but whoever did is did 890 01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:25,880 not understand the physics of where lights would be created based on the lunar illumination. 891 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,239 And I was just shocked that people were circulating this around as genuine phenomenon 892 01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:35,279 when it was clearly a hoax. And it's just unfortunate because I know we 893 01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:41,520 have real data that is getting buried, and then when people do present the 894 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,479 data, it's somebody could dig something up on me and say, oh, 895 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,279 mister Mason, you had a speeding ticket in nineteen eighty five and you pleaded 896 01:13:51,920 --> 01:14:00,159 innocent, but the judge found you guilty for speeding, so therefore you're you 897 01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:03,600 lied to the judge and and and therefore your videos are a lie to that 898 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,840 you took in the UFO. This is the logic that's being used for debunking 899 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:14,680 people who have actually had phenomenon recorded. They look for something to kind of 900 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,119 dirt on somebody and and see if they could rub it in and make it 901 01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:23,399 stick so that we can't get the testimonies from say like David Gresh and his 902 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:29,439 colleagues who have found they've got an overwhelming amount of evidence that we have crash 903 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:34,680 degree that has not been revealed. Right, Yeah, that's that's a Stan 904 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:39,920 Friedman used to say. Attack. If you can't attack the evidence, attack 905 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,399 the person, you know. And that's what that's what you know we have 906 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,800 seen happen. But you're right, it happens. Yeah. I like exactly 907 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:54,399 your stand because I feel like we have that same feeling about things, you 908 01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,880 know. I mean, I only I think there's so much really good data 909 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,000 out there, so so many really amazing things that have happened to people. 910 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:09,239 You don't need to bring in the fluff. There's no need fluff. There's 911 01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:15,319 plenty of stuff that has happened that is just overwhelmingly amazing and unexplainable. Yeah, 912 01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:20,760 and that stuff doesn't get debunked, It just gets skipped if you they 913 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,840 just don't explain it. They'll go attack the things that may have been presented 914 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,640 as being anomalous and then discovered later as being a hoax or having a prosaic 915 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,199 explanation, and so those are the things they'll grab and talk about. I 916 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:39,840 don't really want to attack debunkers because they're frankly, there's just too much garbage 917 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,079 out there that needs to be debunked. And yeah, they're working overtime. 918 01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:47,840 Yeah I would rather you know, you know, I mean for a good 919 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,840 skeptic to debunk something, but not someone that just has the debunking attitude where 920 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,720 you know, by proclamation like you said, about doing any of the research. 921 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,199 You know, West. A lot of people can't stand Mickwst, but 922 01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:08,000 he's actually done a couple of things. I'm not gonna I'm not saying I've 923 01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:12,239 seen some things that he's he was thinking he was, you know, debunking 924 01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:15,319 or whatever that I totally disagree with him, and I think it was silly. 925 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,800 And I actually had him on a show with Kevin Day and Kevin Day 926 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:28,920 explaining to him why the tic TAC couldn't be in a distance. I think 927 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,159 it was a heat signature and a distance of a commercial airline. I believe 928 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:35,640 that's what Mick West was calling it. Well, and Mick West by the 929 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,359 time we get done the show, Mick West said, yeah, well, 930 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,880 I can see, I understand, I understand, you know, Kevin's point, 931 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,319 And what did I see three or four days later, I saw Mickwest 932 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,279 debunking the same thing. He already you know, going right back to debunking 933 01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:55,880 and on on team right. Yeah, yeah, Well you have to when 934 01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:00,760 you're debunking that technology. It's easy to do that from an armchair, but 935 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,840 you have to do it from knowing that technology and working with that technology. 936 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:10,079 I don't work with the military flear. I can tell you that it doesn't 937 01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:15,279 offer the passive temperature measurement because it's a broad spectrum they're using optics or it's 938 01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:23,199 long WAVEN medium wave infrared, and that system is designed to vet the fastest 939 01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:30,680 acquisition for threat identification. It's actually more sensitive in temperature detection than the scientific 940 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,439 grades cameras that I use that have passive temperature measurement, and that has to 941 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:41,840 do with the wavelengths that are filtered so that we can actually assign temperatures based 942 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:47,000 on the microblometer, voltage measurement and so forth. And that does not come 943 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:50,960 the manifestations or what they were saying were lens flares and stuff. It doesn't 944 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,800 happen with those systems. And it has to do with the germanium lenses acting 945 01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,560 as almost like a honeycomb, where it prohibits lengths, wavelengths entering what can 946 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,800 happens. You can have smudging if say the protective dome that's on these gimbal 947 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:14,439 cameras, if it gets contaminated with water or dirt, or if somebody scratched 948 01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,199 it in maintenance, but it won't cause ghosting. It just may cause smudging 949 01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:21,640 of images. And one thing that I wanted to spell is with clear cameras, 950 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:27,239 and I've got the consumer grade, industrial and scientific grade. I can 951 01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,279 take any one of those out on a sunny day and glance the sun just 952 01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:35,800 momentarily and sweep it looking to see if I can get any ghosting artifacts. 953 01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:41,720 There aren't any. It has to do with the refractive index of Germanium lenses. 954 01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:45,279 There's fewer. They're not like five or six of them as used in 955 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:51,399 sinny lenses or camera lenses of more advanced where you often get ghosting and reflections. 956 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,239 And so no, it's not any of that. And then you had 957 01:18:56,279 --> 01:19:01,800 pilot witnesses on this. Would you have too much providence on these encounters to 958 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,680 try and debunk it, And you have to you have to have the experience 959 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:12,319 with in termography and with these cameras. I mean buying a handheld two hundred 960 01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:15,960 dollars consumer grade one isn't going to be the same thing comparing it to you 961 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,640 know, you're comparing apples to oranges when you're talking about the military grade. 962 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:25,520 Especially, you know, the cost of the gimbal system that they use must 963 01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:30,439 be must be a fortune. So here's a question from space and another one 964 01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,279 from space cow. What part of the spectrum would plasma fall in or does 965 01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:39,159 it even well, if it has heat, it's going to be long wave 966 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,159 infrared a bit. Typically we see it as plasma, it'll be in visible 967 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,800 spectrum, but it can depends on the gas and how much energy it's ionized. 968 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,880 The higher the energy level that's ionized on the plasma, the higher the 969 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,880 spectrum. And kind of like if you heat up a filament on a light 970 01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,079 bulb, if you put a low voltage to it and it just glows red, 971 01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:06,800 it's emitting just infrared and not in visible higher visible or ultra violet. 972 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:13,439 As we increase the voltage, it's actually still in putting out a broad spectrum 973 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,680 where it's still putting out long wave infrared, plus the top end of that 974 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,520 spectrum where if you heat it up to the point where it turns blue. 975 01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:27,720 You're covering a very broad spectrum of light. Let's see. There's a couple 976 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:33,640 more questions in here. Are you aware of any spectros cascopy data collected from 977 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:43,199 UAP spectroscopy? Yeah, well this is what. There's a multitude of phenomena 978 01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:48,600 that's been recorded, and many claims of it being in the infrared spectrum, 979 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,840 in the visible spectrum, in ultraviolet. But I haven't actually seen anyone do 980 01:20:54,239 --> 01:21:00,640 a image still where they've gotten a clear shot of a UAP and then did 981 01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,359 a spectrum analysis of its wavelengths and to see, you know, what was 982 01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:08,800 it doing in the spectrum. I mean, it'd be great if we had 983 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,079 ones at stationary where we can get the data and find out where its peak 984 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:18,319 wavelength was, like if it was a hydrogen ban or oxygen free ban, 985 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,439 and find out more about it based on that, and whether if it was 986 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,399 just a uniform spectrum or if it had spikes to it, because if it 987 01:21:26,399 --> 01:21:30,800 did have spikes, we would know if there were particular ionized gases that were 988 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,920 being utilized in that process or if it was interacting with the oxygen. Now 989 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,119 I don't even know if I should be posting this because I don't know where 990 01:21:41,239 --> 01:21:45,039 Joseph is coming up with this. The US is faking radar frequencies eight to 991 01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:53,680 twelve gigahertz to pretend they are UAP. I'm not sure where he's getting I 992 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,319 don't know. I haven't seen it, I haven't measured it. This gives 993 01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:02,119 me the opportunity to talk about spectrum analyzers r S spectrumentalizers, and I've got 994 01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:04,960 an extensive background with it. I back in the mid eighties, I worked 995 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,640 for a company called Nive Viking, a ham radio product manufacturer, designing RF 996 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,079 antenna tuners, RF intennas, and RF power monitors. I even made a 997 01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:18,479 automatic RFN tenna tuner, which was of the first of its kind. We 998 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,439 developed it out but we never got it on the market. And we worked 999 01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:28,880 with the HP one forty one TRS spectrumentalizer. And then when that company moved 1000 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,239 to Idaho, a state in Washington, and I did my own engineering consulting 1001 01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:38,479 and I started designing circuits to modify the Hewlett Packard eighty five sixty two A 1002 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,279 and eighty five ninety two B to extend its frequency from twenty two gigaherts to 1003 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:48,199 twenty seven gigaherts and behind me, I have a Techtronics twenty seven eighty two 1004 01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:55,119 high performance RF spectrumentalizer. This spectrum antalizer with the mixer set back in its 1005 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:59,479 day was over eighty five thousand dollars and if you want to replace that, 1006 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,960 it's not reduction. But if you want to replace that with the equivalent performance, 1007 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,000 you're going to be spending the same amount of money. So I want 1008 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,720 to talk about our signals. I mean, there are lots of them out 1009 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:17,439 there. Most of these are governed as far as what the FCC allows, 1010 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:23,279 and there are some signals that are encroaching. I think that by some rogue 1011 01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:27,960 RF sources over there just figure we transmit for a little bit and get away 1012 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,640 with it, and that way the FCC won't track us. In other cases, 1013 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:36,960 you can get harmonic effects from a very heavy signal, a second order 1014 01:23:38,039 --> 01:23:42,119 a third order harmonics if you overdrive the harmonic mixer of a spectrum analyizer. 1015 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,720 So yeah, I'm not aware of that or where the provenance of it. 1016 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,920 I don't think it would do a lot though, if they were transmitting that 1017 01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:57,079 trying to use it as a decoy in some kind of warfare of it I'm 1018 01:23:57,119 --> 01:24:01,840 sure it's been done before. We're trying to doup communications or put out a 1019 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:13,840 carrier that's nonsensical with nonsense data to defocus attention to one aspect to avoid attention 1020 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,880 to another aspect of it. But what I want to talk about is the 1021 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:26,319 mystery one point six gigaherts that was detected at Skinwalker Ranch. And there's been 1022 01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:29,800 some talk about that where I've seen people say, Oh, it's just this, 1023 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,399 or that it's just a satellite, or it's a microprocess around a computer 1024 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:39,239 and it's being detected on their equipment. There's some things I can't talk about, 1025 01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:43,399 but I will say I looked at the monitor and the carrier wave on 1026 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,600 that I was seeing sixty dbc above noise floor, which you're not going to 1027 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:53,079 get that from a satellite using a yaggy antenna going into an SDR system. 1028 01:24:53,520 --> 01:25:00,640 That just doesn't happen. This carrier wave was sometimes modulating very slow and low 1029 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:08,000 frequency, which was very puzzling because it doesn't fit the spread spectrum modulation that 1030 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:16,159 we use in communications. It wasn't an effective modulation for communicate data sets. 1031 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:23,279 It didn't fit anything that was in the ordinary. And I've got you know 1032 01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,279 this spectrum analyzer. I've ran it to looking for that frequency, and I've 1033 01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:30,119 even I'm going to grab this antenna so you can see what I built. 1034 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:40,079 This is a copper chronical antenna that it's still prototype, but I've tuned this 1035 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,720 between one point three to one point eight gigger hurts. It peaks at one 1036 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,119 point four to one point six. I can detect a very low signal of 1037 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:53,920 one point six using this intenna and a lot of forty dB of the pre 1038 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,039 amp game and it's just a small carrier way probably a satellite, but it 1039 01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:02,399 is not the signal. I saw a skinwalk ranch and definitely the signal is 1040 01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:08,520 anomalous. No one that the ranch was saying it was ET or alien communication. 1041 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,920 It was just a very strange signal that came up. Other spectrum analysis 1042 01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,439 was conducted trying to determine whether or not it was interference from the ranch. 1043 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,560 And what would come to mind from me would be like, is it a 1044 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:27,439 harmonic of eight hundred megaherts, because if you overdrive the harmonic mixer of a 1045 01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,079 spectrum mantilizer with eight hundred, you can get a one point six and so 1046 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:34,079 on. Or if it was five hundred thirty three megaherts at high amplitude one 1047 01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:38,960 point six would be the third harmonic. It wasn't any of those things, 1048 01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:45,920 you know. Like I say, I've engineered circuits in spectrum analyizers and I 1049 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:50,760 understand how they worked. I even worked with or collaborated in ideas with doctor 1050 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:58,000 Larry Lockwood, who was head of engineering at Techtronics in the spectrum analyizer manufacturing. 1051 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:05,760 I'm not sure if you understand this question here about the village lapse from 1052 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,479 the Phoenix lights. They claim to have been able to interpret video cam footage. 1053 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,880 Do you understand what that question is. I'm not sure if there was 1054 01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,760 anything that could be further vented from it. I know I cannot convert anything 1055 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:26,439 from video like it was there any information in the light. Unfortunately, when 1056 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,119 it's video recorded, it's framed and sampled, so it's all chopped at either 1057 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:36,760 thirty hertz or sixty hertz, and it would just sound like interpreted as noise 1058 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:42,039 or just garbage and not anything that would be useful that we could look for 1059 01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:45,520 any kind of information that might have been within the Phoenix lights. I do 1060 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:51,800 believe the incident is real because it had too much prominence. Peter Davenport had 1061 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,640 an overwhelming number of people calling in just driving a V shaped object, not 1062 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,239 flares dropped from an air plane. Flayers were dropped two hours later, right, 1063 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,840 So, and that seems to me that they flew those out as a 1064 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,920 decoy, and nobody's asking the questions, well, why did you go out 1065 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,159 and throw a bunch of flares near the city? Yeah, you know, 1066 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,720 yeah, and there's too many people that saw, you know, the shape 1067 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,760 of it, you know, blacking out the stars and you know, stuff 1068 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,479 like that. Way too many people. Yeah. Even even who was the 1069 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:29,359 governor at the time, fi fIF Simington, who first made a mockery of 1070 01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:33,199 it, came forward and said that he had actually witnessed it and in essence 1071 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:36,119 he was just afraid to lose his job if he was to come forward and 1072 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:43,479 yes ribe it. So, yeah, it has solid providence and of too 1073 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,079 many witnesses, we have video. I'm sure there's some videos of the actual 1074 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:49,640 flares that were dropped, and then that makes it case closed the course because 1075 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:55,600 they were fairs dropped, Yes, and that's that's always the Also, the 1076 01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,760 videos you see are the flares. There's there's one or two. I think 1077 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,960 I'm king is one of the people that did a little bit of filming there. 1078 01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:08,000 Yeah, I know Tom King, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1079 01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:12,520 he's good to be on again on the show again. Yeah yeah yeah. 1080 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,319 So that's that's got some real prominence to it, and especially you know, 1081 01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,399 Peter had information from the actual pilots that were flying in the vicinity to witness 1082 01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:25,159 this object as well. So there's a lot more to it than what it's 1083 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,520 what's buried in that and it's unfortunate that this is what we deal with, 1084 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:35,960 and when somebody sees something, it's it's even like when I when I discussed 1085 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:40,520 the one point six giga hurts. It's easy to throw a label on it 1086 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,199 if you're not there and you're not using an R spectrum analyzer. But when 1087 01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:48,600 you're there and you witness it, it's a whole different experience than for you 1088 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,760 to be at an armchair just saying oh, I can think of one hundred 1089 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:56,840 things that could explain that frequency. Yeah, and they vetted it and I 1090 01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,880 didn't detect it here in this vicinity. It's still have an explanation that we 1091 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:06,520 just didn't figure out, and it just didn't fit the norm of technology that's 1092 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:11,880 using that frequency. Do you happen to understand this question here? Do you 1093 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,159 know if they use passive lights? What do you understand what that question is? 1094 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:23,159 Passive lights? Maybe this has to do with the UAP phenomenon. I 1095 01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:29,199 know the many UAP have been or UFOs. I prefer to say UFOs because 1096 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:34,720 I'm not so concerned about political correctness. That's really what it comes down to, 1097 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:43,720 the a stigma and anyway, the stigma of it. It's because there's 1098 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,920 been many reports dating back from the beginning when UFOs were reported people were seeing 1099 01:30:48,039 --> 01:30:56,359 lights on these UFOs, fluctuating lights and changing colors, that there may very 1100 01:30:56,359 --> 01:31:01,520 well be information being conveyated in that light, an attempt much like what we 1101 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:08,119 see in our undersea life forms, the jellyfish and fish. When the first 1102 01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:13,239 explorers went down in the depths of the oceans with their submarine and they were 1103 01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:20,760 in complete blackness, and they reported seeing self luminous aquatic animals making all kinds 1104 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:26,359 of bizarre shapes and colors, and it was quite a story when they surfaced 1105 01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:29,520 and said, hey, we saw this weird stuff. Oh yeah, you 1106 01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,039 guys were drinking when you were down there. And now you know, it's 1107 01:31:32,079 --> 01:31:38,319 now become common knowledge that In fact, we have jellyfish and other animals that 1108 01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:45,479 use phosphorus for communication, and we can see them displayed as phosphorus and colors. 1109 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,760 Were they able to trigger it with the internal voltages of their nervous system 1110 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:59,800 for all kinds of purposes of communication or threat or concealment. And we don't 1111 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,239 really seemed to make that analogy of understanding that life form, that the life 1112 01:32:03,319 --> 01:32:09,479 forms that we may be interacting with may have come from that type of communication, 1113 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,640 or that their communication isn't done through vocalization, but it's done through light. 1114 01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:23,640 And we have to look at all aspects of evolution that could take place. 1115 01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:30,079 So imagine if those aquatic animals had enough time to where they could get 1116 01:32:30,119 --> 01:32:36,159 on earth, on the lands and become mammals and build machinery, they may 1117 01:32:36,199 --> 01:32:44,800 not evolve the vocalizations, but just do optic type of communication. And this 1118 01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,520 is one of the reasons why I'm exploring that because no one else is really 1119 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:55,079 doing it. We're playing with radios, and I'm believing that whatever phenomenon we're 1120 01:32:55,119 --> 01:33:02,520 seeing in the multitude multitude of areas, that it is a When we're using 1121 01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:08,479 radio, it's analogous to sending smoke signals. So when we're trying to send 1122 01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:13,720 small signals that be detected, we need to try something more advanced to capture 1123 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:18,760 their intent or capture their attention. And this is why I'm pushing the light 1124 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:25,439 spectrum because it's it kind of leaked frogs the radio signals into a much higher 1125 01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:31,479 frequency, and that separates my signals from the background noise flow of modern technology, 1126 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,359 where if you use a spectrum antalize elect the one I'm using here, 1127 01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:42,079 there's just a multitude of carriers and noise from just about every transmitter that's out 1128 01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:45,039 there, and pretty hard to be separated from that. If you just send 1129 01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:48,880 out one signal, you need to move into a spectrum where you're just outside 1130 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:56,159 of everybody else's noise. For you know, the one thing I've asked Seth 1131 01:33:56,319 --> 01:33:59,760 shot Stack. You know, I said, radio signals, Really do you 1132 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,359 think? You know? Well, I do understand. It's better than doing 1133 01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:08,000 nothing looking for radio signal. You know, it's better than doing nothing. 1134 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:14,199 But still, you know, it's it's hard to tell what the technologies will 1135 01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:16,000 be. Now, I want to get back to what you said earlier, 1136 01:34:16,199 --> 01:34:20,399 or this whole discussion for the question that was post and that is uh. 1137 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,920 I have heard over the years different people explain, you know, their UFO 1138 01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:30,800 sightings, and and more times than not you will hear them say there was 1139 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:35,319 something very unusual about the lights. The lights is the thing, something very 1140 01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:41,119 unusual about the color, something very unusual about the way it behaved or or 1141 01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:45,159 didn't behave like a normal light beam, and all that almost like it's contained. 1142 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,880 There's all these weird things when it comes to light about the visual of 1143 01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:53,359 it. And I think that's the clue. And that's what astonishes me is 1144 01:34:53,359 --> 01:34:57,720 that people aren't looking at that and it's it's a no brainer. Do what 1145 01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,960 you can to vet that information. And we know they affect compasses where compasses 1146 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,279 spin. When I was I think I was thirteen when I made a uf 1147 01:35:05,319 --> 01:35:11,439 PHO detector using a compass in a LED and a photo transistor so that when 1148 01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:16,560 the compass was deflected from magnetic north it would trigger an alarm and just I 1149 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,520 guess it's known as the poor man's uf PHO detector. I remember I built 1150 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:26,680 it on a piece of plywood and compass I compassed. Yeah, it worked. 1151 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:33,800 So we're still being very limited because what we're doing is ascribing our human 1152 01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:41,000 anatomy and human intelligence to the intelligence that is out there, and we're also 1153 01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:45,560 ascribing our interests like we say, oh, they're here to take our precious 1154 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:50,520 metals and our water and our resources and things we do. Right. Yeah, 1155 01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,079 they must think like we do, and they may not have an agenda, 1156 01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,840 they may not have a vocabulary. They it could be something just out 1157 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,479 of this world where we're not going to understand what we're encountering. But when 1158 01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,199 we see very variations of light, they obviously don't need it to see where 1159 01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:13,600 they're going. They don't. I really doubt that the light is a byproduct 1160 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,760 of a propulsion system or even interdimensional shifting causing it. I think it's it's 1161 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:23,960 out there, it's setting out information, and we've been too dumb so far 1162 01:36:24,199 --> 01:36:29,600 to acknowledge it. I want to get back to SETI and their use of 1163 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,920 radio. It does make sense that they're they're looking a lot in the hydrogen 1164 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,439 band or looking at elements in space, and they're just trying to look to 1165 01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:43,760 see if any of the signatures of those elements are being modulated or controlled in 1166 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,880 ways that are not of ordinary or natural phenomenon, And that's kind of what 1167 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:51,159 they're doing. Because that's really what all they can get because these signals are 1168 01:36:51,239 --> 01:36:58,359 so small, so tiny. I mean, they've got the sensitivity of their 1169 01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,680 radar systems that they or they're isshes that you see the gain and they're using 1170 01:37:02,199 --> 01:37:09,479 cryogenically cooled pre amplifiers to detect this of the noise factor is it's magnitudes more 1171 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:15,119 sensitive than this very expensive specumentalizer that I'm using. And then you wonder did 1172 01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:18,720 they get something, and then that that information is being squashed or not being 1173 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:25,000 reported to us, and maybe there are other factors that are involved with it, 1174 01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:29,640 because I could see that happening if SETH is under control, where well, 1175 01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:30,840 we've got some data, but I'm just going to say we're going to 1176 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:38,439 keep looking and we know how those stories go. Like when we talk about 1177 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:45,960 the Roswell incident, and I know that you had a lot of providence from 1178 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:50,560 that. You had the chief intelligence officer from the army, it's Jesse Marcel 1179 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:57,840 doing the investigation happens on the material says wow, this is so incredible. 1180 01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:02,119 This is looks like a fresher even shows a piece of this to his son, 1181 01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:09,199 Jesse Marcel Jr. And You've got so many people of authority on that 1182 01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:13,680 scene who said it was a flying saucer. Then later it's described as a 1183 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:18,399 down weather balloon. I don't think the chief intelligence officer would make that identity 1184 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:23,560 error of a weather balloon. And when you saw the image of the actual 1185 01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:29,159 Project Mogul weather balloon, I don't think it would have fooled anybody. It 1186 01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:30,840 just would have looked like a big bag on the ground, I mean, 1187 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:35,960 not a UFO. And there's so much about that case that does you know 1188 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:42,199 why in the first place would they say they captured a disc to begin with? 1189 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:45,439 They never had to say anything. They could have they could have just 1190 01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,119 kept quiet. And and why did they deploy such a resource on it, 1191 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:55,000 that's set a major resource to be they got every single little tiny scrap of 1192 01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:00,479 it and all that a weather balloon with microphones the deal I mean. And 1193 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,680 then the prosaic explanation they gave I think when they came out it was in 1194 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:09,239 the mid nineties, and they said, oh, if we dropped crash test 1195 01:39:09,319 --> 01:39:14,840 dummies crash dummy crash test dummies that were dropped in nineteen fifty three, somehow 1196 01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:19,800 happened in nineteen forty seven, and they were six foot tall wooden dummies. 1197 01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:25,199 Yeah, there were obviously wooden dummies, and apparently the people who time traveled 1198 01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:30,439 or whatever looked at these wooden dummies and mistaken them for biological entities. There 1199 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:35,600 was a eyes on cinema. They publish all these. I don't know where 1200 01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:41,119 they get their footage, but one of them is an old interview in England. 1201 01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:46,560 Of these, it was an english woman married to an American who retired 1202 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,920 in England and he would say to his kids all along that, you know, 1203 01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:57,920 I saw a spacecraft and you know, and so when it got toward 1204 01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:00,119 the end of his life, he he kind of said, you know, 1205 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:03,840 you can't And he always said, you can't tell anyone, You can't tell 1206 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:09,560 anyone. Don't say a word. And he said that right to the end, 1207 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:14,399 you know, don't tell anyone. So and he describes Roswell. He 1208 01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,720 was at Roswell. They looked into it. Yes, he was indeed there 1209 01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,880 during that time, and he was a cook. You know. So it 1210 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:25,199 sounds like you're having any involvement, but he said everyone was involved. He 1211 01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:28,600 said he was in front of the hangar before the thing was taken out of 1212 01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:33,319 there, and he saw it and it was real and you know, and 1213 01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:39,600 you know, why would he say that to his kids in England and tell 1214 01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,000 them not to say anything. And eventually when he passed away, they felt 1215 01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:46,159 like they had to talk about it, you know what I mean. It's 1216 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,000 I don't know, I think there is something to Roswell. A lot of 1217 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:54,159 people say to me they think there's nothing to it, and I think that 1218 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,479 credit. How do you discredit that. The only thing you can discredit is 1219 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,159 maybe if people were jumping on the bandwagon, which happens in this phenomenon where 1220 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:10,960 somebody who's more or less involved or somebody that was living in the area and 1221 01:41:11,159 --> 01:41:14,199 they want to garner attention for themselves, so they make up a story and 1222 01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:16,039 say, oh, yeah, I saw the thing crash and I want to 1223 01:41:16,039 --> 01:41:20,800 be interviewed. And we know there's people that will do that in this phenomenon, 1224 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:25,960 and they kind of muddy the waters because they're trying to self promote from 1225 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,119 a me too, you know, jump on the bandwagon. Ye, And 1226 01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,439 that's I think one of the things that clutters the data because then it becomes 1227 01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:40,239 a mystery that you've got some doubt on because you do have some people bringing 1228 01:41:40,279 --> 01:41:45,479 in false information that discredits the story because their story isn't consistent with the other 1229 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:50,560 reports that are coming in. I believe just on the merits of if you 1230 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:56,960 just look at Jesse Marcel in his background to what he reported, he wouldn't 1231 01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,720 have been fooled by this and he wouldn't have talked about it to Stanton Friedman 1232 01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:06,800 when Stanton Friedman broke the story that he wouldn't have reported that if it was 1233 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:14,720 just a weather balloon. And why would you deploy such a massive recovery of 1234 01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,640 a weather balloon that would require one jeep, a couple of guys a driver, 1235 01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,479 one with a clipboard and two guys to pick it up and throw it 1236 01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,720 in the jeep because you don't want to draw attention to it. You just 1237 01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,800 want to get it in and recover it. And it was just a weather 1238 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:34,000 balloon or a balloon with a microphone on it to detect nuclear detonations, that 1239 01:42:34,079 --> 01:42:39,199 isn't much. That's not going to leave a debris field that is going to 1240 01:42:39,239 --> 01:42:42,920 be massive with chunks of metal and things that would be of the big mystery 1241 01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:47,760 to people recovering it. And so it's kind of an insult to Jesse Marcel's 1242 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,800 intelligences as well as the people that did the recovery when they like to throw 1243 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:57,560 those kinds of explanations, and it's just you're taking people out of their comfort 1244 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,239 zone when you're showing them something, whether it's religious reasons or if they've just 1245 01:43:01,279 --> 01:43:08,159 seen so much garbage information. I mean it's his face. It like even 1246 01:43:08,199 --> 01:43:11,880 today, if you were to say to somebody, oh, you want to 1247 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,159 learn about UFOs, go on the internet. And we all know that if 1248 01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:21,880 somebody just approaches that with an open mind and gets on the Internet, they're 1249 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:25,439 just going to shake their head and say, this is garbage. I just 1250 01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:30,119 bake videos and they'll just go away and their minds are made up. Yeah. 1251 01:43:30,279 --> 01:43:33,079 What convinces people is if they see something or they read a story that's 1252 01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:36,520 very compelling. And I want to tell you one that was true that was 1253 01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:42,800 pretty entertaining for me. So it was back around two thousand and six, 1254 01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,399 after a couple of years of doing thermography looking for UFOs. I set up 1255 01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:54,760 my camera on my mother's property and my niece was visiting with her boyfriend who 1256 01:43:54,840 --> 01:44:02,600 graduated physics and he was mister skeptic and he was sitting in on this session 1257 01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:08,079 where I had set up a couple of thermal cameras and we were videotaping looking 1258 01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:11,680 for you know, skywatching. We weren't getting anything, and he was just 1259 01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:14,000 telling me, oh, yeah, I don't believe in this stuff, blah 1260 01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:15,800 blah blah whatever. And I said, okay, well you haven't seen anything 1261 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,760 convincing, but maybe we'll get something. A couple hours into it, we 1262 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:24,640 finally get something going through the field of view of the camera and as soon 1263 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:30,079 as it appears, I remember it was a triangle formation, very cold, 1264 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,960 and I pointed it out and I started dialoguing as it was transitting the field 1265 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:39,079 of view and telling him that we'll notice the temperature is very low temperature, 1266 01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:42,800 and this guy is just gasping for air. He says, he's gone, 1267 01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,439 that's a UFO. I go, yes, it is, and I said, 1268 01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:48,119 notice the temperature is clearly not a bird flock, as we've seen a 1269 01:44:48,119 --> 01:44:51,199 few. And if you're just talking about it's so matter of fact. I 1270 01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:56,600 said, I've seen enough of them. And he he just apologized to me. 1271 01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,039 He says, I never would have believed it until I witnessed it, 1272 01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:02,399 and then he was from that time on, yeah, he I'm sure had 1273 01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:08,279 seen a lot of garbage information Hollywood really hasn't helped us with that because of 1274 01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,119 I mean some movies maybe have, but I mean a lot of the dramas 1275 01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:15,920 that are for entertainment, you know, we expect that a flying saucer is 1276 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:19,000 going to be a disc with landing gear and green aliens, and you know 1277 01:45:19,039 --> 01:45:25,079 the stereotype of the Hollywood UFO. Yeah, yeah, No, A lot 1278 01:45:25,079 --> 01:45:30,000 of it happens, and it's it's uh. I I find that, you 1279 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,479 know, when people are looking into it. You know, I have to 1280 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:39,039 explain more of a story when I'm doing this because so many people are looking 1281 01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:42,760 into it. But you know, if you think you're going to find all 1282 01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,439 the answers on YouTube, if you're new there's there, you're really going to 1283 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,880 have to weed it out. It really has to be weeded. You really 1284 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:54,520 do have to be skeptical. You really have to be skeptical and what you 1285 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:58,840 see because there is real data, but you can go chase down something that 1286 01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,199 isn't real. So many things are being propagated. I mean, let's say 1287 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:06,439 you and I said we were out in some expedition together and we saw these 1288 01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:11,760 giant purple people eaters and they just came out of the spaceship and I take 1289 01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,880 a fuzzy image of some spaceship and I just said, what came out was 1290 01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,119 this, And then somebody else then takes a makes an animation of what we 1291 01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:23,119 saw and puts it on a website. This is just some stuff we made 1292 01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:26,199 up. And then they put it on another website, and pretty soon it 1293 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:31,239 shows up in a number of websites, and then other joker comes along says, 1294 01:46:31,239 --> 01:46:34,239 oh, yeah, I saw what those guys saw too, So now 1295 01:46:34,279 --> 01:46:38,199 that's got. It's got. It's just some guy who wants attention, but 1296 01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:42,760 he wants to be on the bandwagon. So now we got corroboration of what 1297 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,680 we witnessed in multiple websites. Now it's been in doctrine as factual, and 1298 01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,720 it's it's a lot. It happens a lot. So we're having phenomenon that's 1299 01:46:51,760 --> 01:47:00,319 being reported that has been hosed or it's been misinterpreted. People that are experiencing 1300 01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:02,960 dreams after they've seen a light in the sky and then they take it up 1301 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,479 to another level. And that that's another problem because there are probably real cases 1302 01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:14,880 where this is happening, where people are experiencing things that are being cluttered with 1303 01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:18,079 the people who are just looking for attention or they can't understand the difference between 1304 01:47:18,079 --> 01:47:24,000 a dream and the reality of you know what they're experiencing. Right, So 1305 01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:29,119 when now are we putting out that video which one? Oh yeah, yeah, 1306 01:47:29,279 --> 01:47:31,159 are some of these some of these things, you know. I thought 1307 01:47:31,239 --> 01:47:34,800 it would be a funny one to do, is to say that the space 1308 01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:41,640 needle doesn't exist, the Seattle Space Needle, that it's a hologram. Yeah, 1309 01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,920 and of course, and then I could say the shadows are in the 1310 01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:48,159 wrong places. And then what I called the governor of Washington State and confronted 1311 01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,439 him on it. He laughed at me and hung up on the phone. 1312 01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:57,800 Obviously he knew. Yeah you know, of course, yeah yeah. So 1313 01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,920 if you were to post that and make a YouTube video of it, you'd 1314 01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:05,319 probably get one or two percent of the population believing you others watching to laugh 1315 01:48:05,359 --> 01:48:09,720 at it. But it's it's what happens. The guy that started the joke 1316 01:48:10,039 --> 01:48:14,960 that birds are what was it, birds are? Birds aren't real, They're 1317 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,520 just like drones. And he started like a movement and he had all these 1318 01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,600 people follow him, and it's it's crazy. You can check it out. 1319 01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:27,199 Birds aren't real. I this is and this is the other problem in this 1320 01:48:27,319 --> 01:48:33,479 field is the charlatanism that's going on. There are some who are posting skywatches 1321 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:39,119 where they're dropping flares from helicopters and telling people their UFOs. These people are 1322 01:48:39,159 --> 01:48:45,399 paying good money to be participants in this. And then there drone or drones. 1323 01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,159 I understand that drone was some people were caught with a drone and we're 1324 01:48:49,279 --> 01:48:53,319 told that they were going to fly it, you know, during a SkyWatch. 1325 01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:58,560 You know that that kind of stuff is happening. The floating balloons. 1326 01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,680 I heard a story where somebody paid money to go up on a mountaintop to 1327 01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:05,000 see a UFO during the daytime, and they had a scanner, credit card 1328 01:49:05,079 --> 01:49:10,319 scanner of that person and then somebody on the other side of the mountain was 1329 01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:14,119 launching balloons, so they oh, look at UFO. Okay, you're happy. 1330 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:16,319 I charged you five hundred dollars. I mean, this is what is 1331 01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:24,600 going on. And people selling books on false pretenses are false phenom and some 1332 01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:28,239 of them are just selling books because they really believe in what they're researching, 1333 01:49:28,319 --> 01:49:31,840 and maybe there is some truth to it, but it's the Charlatans who are 1334 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,560 taking advantage of people and Charlatans need money, and that's one thing you can 1335 01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:41,680 you can kind of identify it from them. Yeah, they in order to 1336 01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,079 sustain more money than the average person. Yeah, and ET needs money too, 1337 01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:49,840 I mean because ET can't fly that spacecraft without having US dollars, That's 1338 01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:58,560 right. And this is I think Halloween sort of to this ets and money. 1339 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,840 So yeah, yeah. One thing I wanted to bring up, and 1340 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:09,760 this was a technology breakthrough, was the I recently recorded the sound of Comet 1341 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:15,840 E THREEZTF. So what I did was I purchased a very sensitive photo multiplier 1342 01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:20,039 tube that covered between one hundred and sixty nanometers to eight hundred and fifty nanometers 1343 01:50:20,079 --> 01:50:27,439 in visual spectrum, and I coupled this device with my circuitry to telescope and 1344 01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,920 aimed it at COMMT E three ZTF and was able to record the modulated light 1345 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:35,279 from the coma and nucleus. And you can see this video demo on YouTube 1346 01:50:35,279 --> 01:50:42,039 with a technical explanation. And I'm kind of excited about it because I didn't 1347 01:50:42,079 --> 01:50:47,239 think it would be possible due to the multitude of fluctuating light coming from a 1348 01:50:47,279 --> 01:50:53,319 comet with in at least what I interpreted would be self canceling, but I 1349 01:50:53,359 --> 01:50:56,960 actually recorded sound from it, and I think it was modulated ultra violet light. 1350 01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,560 And to the best of my knowledge when I've looked around, couldn't find 1351 01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,520 anyone else who has done this, including NASA. But NASA that did record 1352 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:11,399 the sound of magnetic anomalies on a comet by being close proximity in space and 1353 01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:15,479 then recording that sound or recording the magnetic and then speeding it up so we 1354 01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:19,800 could hear it. But it was an actual audio and I just recorded it 1355 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,239 straight to the system and picked up a very low frequency rumble that was very 1356 01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:30,920 interesting. So this is some technology I think that could be implemented in looking 1357 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,760 at objects in the sky, such as the Amua a Mua asteroid that came 1358 01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:39,760 by that Abby Lobe was interested in. It was putting out light. We 1359 01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:44,439 don't know how much of that light was passive from the sun, reflected to 1360 01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:46,239 the sun, or if it had its own radiant light. The system would 1361 01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:51,880 have determined whether or not there was any internal modulation coming from that light on 1362 01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:58,039 these asteroids. So it could be another tool that can identify anomalist objects. 1363 01:51:58,359 --> 01:52:00,239 So I'm excited about that. I know I'll get some flack from people, 1364 01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:04,239 probably because of professional jealousy or they didn't think of it or whatever, or 1365 01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:09,439 they don't think the physics of it is possible. But that's just the way 1366 01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:14,039 it goes. Well, that's all that for the listener and the watcher of 1367 01:52:14,079 --> 01:52:18,439 this. The show notes will be posted below YouTube and all that's in the 1368 01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:23,760 show notes, all those videos that you did, they're all posting right there. 1369 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,039 Great, so people can see that, Yeah, these things actually exist 1370 01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:29,880 that I'm talking about. Yeah, and yeah, this has been a really 1371 01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:34,840 good discussion, Martin. I think we've covered a lot of ground and you've 1372 01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:40,520 been an excellent host. I've enjoyed our conversations on the phone, and it's 1373 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:44,960 great to see you in person and have this discussion. Excellent. All right, 1374 01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:46,960 David, thank you so much. All right, thank you, all 1375 01:52:47,039 --> 01:52:50,760 right, take care. All right everyone, So, whoops, I got 1376 01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:57,640 to get back here. Don't forget this Thursday evening at eight pm as UAP 1377 01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:02,039 cross Fire. Don't miss that. That's on our channel here and next week 1378 01:53:02,079 --> 01:53:06,600 we are coming back with a call in show. So if you have an 1379 01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:11,560 encounter you want to talk about or questions, feel free to call in. 1380 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,279 And that's at the same time here next week. All right, everyone, 1381 01:53:15,319 --> 01:53:39,319 we'll see you next week, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.