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and thank you for the support on the

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HF radio waves. Does a net
take precedence? Does a net take a

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priority over you a de expedition operator, a PODA or a SODA operator,

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or just a general overall amateur radio
operator, general or extra class? Does

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a net take precedence over you being
on their frequency? Once again, this

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is an article from Reddit, and
I love these articles. Not every article

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I find on Reddit is good,
but many of them are. Many of

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them are quite fun and quite hilarious
to read, you know what. And

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sometimes the article isn't even the best
part. Sometimes the best part is the

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comments, and I think the comments
on this one are pretty good. This

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is actually two different pages on the
reddit. The amateur radio subreddit on Reddit

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and this one I had to link
back to this one because this is the

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first one I found Maritime Mobile net
service network discussion, okay, and he

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says I recently came across this discussion, and he links back to the original

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discussion right here, which was kind
of a discussion, but then some comments

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and whatnot. So this is this
is where it starts. Though. Today

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a friend and I were operating PODA
at US zero six two nine. Okay.

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This was seventeen days ago, so
this is twenty twenty four, very

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recent. He died a few frequencies
to find an open spot, and when

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we did, he asked if the
frequency was in use three times over a

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period of about a minute. I've
done this myself numerous times. Most of

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the time. You don't get any
answers, no response. He passed the

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mic and I called c Q PODA
immediately. I get this twenty over nine

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station. In other words, very
very loud station giving me the business,

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give me visitess Okay, sounds like
something my grandpa would say. I thought

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he was going to call in the
coast Guard for a ship to shore bombing.

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Lol. My friend checked for a
clear frequency and no one spoke up.

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I didn't see the VFO or I
probably would have suggested a change,

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but holy cow, the angler my
one single CQ caused. I had no

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idea I was in violation of the
holy sacred mm N Maritime Mobile Net.

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They were on fourteen dot three hundred, so IQSY to a different frequency.

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We had a great activation. Anyhow, if you are the archangel Lord protector

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over the realm of fourteen dot three
hundred and were the lid to get all

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up in my jimmy today around thirteen
hundred hours, all I have to say

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is you didn't identify your transmission.
Okay, So this guy, this guy

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gets on the frequency, says is
this frequency? And used three times no

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answer. They call CQ poda,
and this guy Maritime Mobile Net comes along

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and runs them off. I don't
know what was said. He didn't say

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in the article what was said,
but he runs them off. But apparently

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he never identified his own call sign. Okay, well, violation number one

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there, my friend. I have
had people, to my knowledge, I've

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never activated PoTA on fourteen dot three
hundred. But let me tell you a

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little secret here, and we're gonna
get to this. I'm gonna show you

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some examples of this here in just
a minute. No one owns fourteen dot

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three hundred. If your net is
running on fourteen three hundred or any other

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frequency on any band, you don't
have any more right to that frequency than

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I do as a licensed damage RADO
operator in the United States or outside of

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the United States or overseas or somewhere. If you have access to that frequency,

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you have no priority over that frequency
over me, and I don't have

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any priority over you. And I'm
gonna give you some examples of this here

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in just a minute, so stick
around. But I have personally been on

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a Poda activation and had someone come
by, and most of the time these

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guys are polite. Most of the
time. I've had a couple of rude

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guys combined. But most of the
time we'll say, hey, man,

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we're starting to net here in like
fifteen twenty minutes. If you don't mind,

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we do this do this net every
day. And you know what,

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if they're polite, I'd be like, sure, man, I'll move,

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no problem. My wife found a
Poda art or found an article in the

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Poda face group, and she's like, this was a heated discussion about changing

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frequencies when you're on Poda for nets
and I'm like, yeah, that's that's

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been a thing for a long time. So I had to kind of tell

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her how it was, and she's
like she kind of rolled her eyes at

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her. She's like, oh,
boy, men, who can stand him?

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Right? If the operator is polite
and asks me to move. Sure.

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Now, I had one guy one
time I was in Costa Rica.

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I was searching for QSO's. I
was not calling cicqu. I was searching

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and pouncing. I found a station
that was somewhere in South America. I

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don't remember where he was, and
he was calling CQDX CQDX with a foreign

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call sign, with a with a
dx call sign, and I went back

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to him two or three times with
my Costa Rican call sign tango India,

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seven stroke, Quilo, Charlie five
hotel, whiskey, Bravo. And after

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three or four or five times going
back to him, he wasn't hearing me.

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I don't think I ever made contact
with him. But after like the

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fourth or fifth time I tried to
go back to him, this loud station

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came back to me and says,
hey, can you move because we're about

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to start a net And I just
ignored him. So I was listening to

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the d X station call CQQ DXCQDX, and I'd say, tango India,

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seven stroke kilo, trolley five hotel, whiskey, bravo, go back to

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him. He wouldn't hear me.
I tried it a couple more times,

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and the other station once again,
Hey, hey man, hey tango Indy

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a seven station. Can you please
move, We're about to start a net.

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And I went back to the guy. After two or three times,

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I kind of got I got a
little bit irritated. I don't think I

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was rude, but I might have
been. But I went back to the

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guy and said, dude, I'm
not on this frequency. I'm calling back

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to a DX station that's calling CQ. His call sign is this. I'm

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trying to work him. If you
would shut up long enough for me to

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work him, i'd move and qsy
And he comes back to me and he

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says, well, can you ask
him to move? We're about to start

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a net. And I'm like,
no, I'm not gonna ask him to

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move, because your stupid ass net
does not take precedence over this DX station

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that is working been working a pilot
for the last thirty minutes that I know

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of he's probably been on there for
a couple hours, So why don't you

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ask him to move? Oh you
can't hear him, Not my problem.

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Change your dumb ass net to another
frequency, or maybe don't do it one

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day. You don't have to hold
the net every freaking day of the year.

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These net guys get really pissed off
during context weekends, and they really

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don't like pode operators because pode operators
have flooded the bands. Well, guess

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what. You either use the bands
or you don't. Which one is it

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gonna be? Do we want to
use our frequencies and have them available to

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us or do we want to not
use our frequencies and get them taken away

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from us? Say, well,
the net is using the frequency. Yeah,

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the net is using the frequency every
freaking day at the same time.

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Give me a break. I used
to love checking in the nets, okay,

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but I don't like to check into
a net and say, okay,

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we've got you on the list,
we'll get back to you, and then

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thirty forty five minutes later they circle
back to my call sign and they're like,

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hey, did you have any traffic? I'm like, well not,

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now I've moved I've moved away.
I don't have an hour to sit there

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and list in your freaking net and
get weather reports from people all over the

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country. If I wanted to know
what the weather report was in Cincinnati or

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Florida, I'd freaking look it up
on the internet. Give me a break

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with it. I don't mind the
nets. I don't mind. I'm not

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saying you shouldn't have nets. I'm
not saying nets are wrong. But you

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don't have precedent or some kind of
higher privilege or authority over the frequency than

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I do. Either qs y your
net, find it, find a second

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or a third alternate frequency that you
can qs y two if someone is on

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your frequency, and get the heck
off of the radio man. So the

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second part of this that I found
that was maritime Mobile service network discussion.

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This guy posted like it looked like. One day later he's like, I

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recently came across this discussion, and
then he had to create a new article

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instead of replying to it. I
don't know why he did that, but

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okay, and he linked a few
articles in here, and he tries to

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make the case that a net has
precedence, but it doesn't because his argument

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is flawed, and I'll tell you
why here in just one minute. But

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two. So this guy says,
let me put my comments here. Someone

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jumped on the fourteen three hundred Megga
Hurtz Saturday for a contest and started calling

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CQ without even checking. Now,
okay, you shouldn't do that. You

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need to check it. I don't
care what the frequency is. You need

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to check and see if the frequency
is clear. I have called before is

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the frequency and use case five HW
And I've had people come back to me

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and say, yeah, we're we're
doing this or I've been on this frequency

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for a while, and I'm like, well, okay, you're not saying

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anything right now, but that's fine, and I'll just I said thank you

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for answering me seventy three and I'll
qsy. Not a big deal. The

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ones that bother me is after you
call two or three times, they don't

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answer and you start calling CQ.
So why I'm on this frequency obviously or

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not because you can't answer, Mike, is the frequency in use? Question?

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This guy started calling CQ without even
checking. Same has been the case

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with potestations. I believe that.
I believe that. So if you guys

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are photo operators, always check and
see if your frequency is in use.

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I just chalk it up to immaturity. Like a lot of hams today have

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if they even have licenses at all, most are concrete brains or lack any

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radio experience at all. Well,
I can only assume that this the writer

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of this article is himself a concrete
brain due to what he's about to say

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in this article. For your information, nets do take precedence, No they

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don't. Here is one person who
lost their license and was fine for interfering

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with a long established net just like
MMSN Maritime Mobile Service Net. The net

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was posted online and operators knew the
times at frequencies of the net. So

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he links an FCC dot gov document
here and he says, and I think

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I did a video about this guy. Okay. We proposed a penalty of

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twenty four thousand dollars against Philip Baldette
for apparently wilfully and repeatedly interfering with the

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radio communications of Western Amateur Radio Friendship
Association the wharf of Net while attempting to

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hold a regularly scheduled net, for
failing to provide station identification amateur radio frequencies.

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Okay, will he failed to provide
information and messing with an existing qso

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whether it's a net or not is
not permissible. Okay. The next one

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he links is an ABORL article that
says license he hit with twenty four thousand

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dollars fine for jamming a net failure
to ID. Okay, Well, if

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you're failing to ID, that's a
finable offense. If you are jamming an

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existing qso whether it's a net or
not, that's a finable offense. It

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has nothing to do with the fact
that this was a net going on,

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and the net tet precedence over anyone
else operating on this frequency. The example

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of these two articles was the same
person jumping into an existing net that was

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already ongoing and trying to jam it
and not id That's just malicious intent,

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that's what that is. That's why
he was fined. And then the guy

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gives other examples and he says,
right, here's a jammer enforcement jammer.

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A jammer is not permissible, Okay, So he's linking jammer articles saying this

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is why nets take precedence, because
you can't jam it. Well, you

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can't jam anybody if I'm on there
calling CQ PoTA for fifteen or thirty minutes

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and you come by and try to
jam me. If the FCC is actually

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doing their job and actually doing what
they are supposed to be doing and paying

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attention, and someone records them trying
to jam me on PODA and sends it

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to the FCC, they could get
fined as well. It's not because it's

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a net, it's because it's illegal
to jam someone who's already on the frequency.

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And he goes on to say the
FCC has started monitoring and going after

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stations under the Radio Piracy Act.
Again, the Radio Piracy Act doesn't have

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anything to do with nets. It
has to do with being on pirate frequencies,

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frequencies you're not authorized for. Yes, established nets do have priority with

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their operations are posted. Yes,
the FCC will find you for interference.

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If you want to test the waters, you better bring your spear gun.

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Be sure to give your call signs
for all to hear. So this guy

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has no clue what he's talking about. Sorry, your articles don't have anything

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to do specifically with nets. Your
articles have to do with jamming and interference,

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which is not permissible to anyone at
all. But the best part of

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this article are the comments, so
Stuart Baker says, Lol, tell me

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you didn't read your sources or regulations
without telling me willfully. Interfering in faillered

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ID is different from using an open
frequency that some net has laid claim to.

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You can't reserve a frequency for a
net. But his courtesy to qs

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Y if you want to have an
intelligent discussion of regulations, a courtesy i'd

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recommen avoiding insults very well. Said. If there's a station using the frequency

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that a net is typically gone,
they have the obligation to do like anyone

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else and qsy they don't get special
privileges or allocated frequencies. Every regular net

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I've ever taken part in sends emails
or posts online that a net is at

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X time and s frequency plus minus
based on activity. Nets don't get assigned

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frequencies. Very well said. And
then this guy VK four h AT's he

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quotes the original article. He's that
wrong. The FCC does not own me.

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If you're a VK four, the
FCC certainly doesn't known you because you're

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in Australia. But the FCC is
not the one who gives the nets.

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The net picked their own frequency long
long time ago when they started the net.

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The FCC doesn't assign frequencies. In
fact, banned allocations overall, banned

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allocations for where we do sideband on
an HF frequency or FT eight or PSK

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or CW or phone or AM transmissions. Those banned allocations are actually done by

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a doublerel that's not an FCC thing. The FCC doesn't care if you do

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f T eight on a sideband frequency
or if you do FT eight on an

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FM frequency on ten meters. The
FCC doesn't care about that. The FCC

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says, this is your band from
this frequency to this frequency here, you

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go use it, and then banned
allocations are done by ED doubler organizations like

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a double ORL and ITU. So
banned allocations are a gentleman's agreement across nations,

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across hand raid or operators worldwide,
so that you know where to find

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stations on CW stations, on FT
eight stations, on PSK stations, on

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READY stations, on AM stations,
on upper and lower sideband. Okay,

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we use a upper sideman on ten
twelve to fifteen twenty meters and we use

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lower sideband on forty meters in down, but I could use upper sideman on

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forty meters if I wanted to.
In fact, I've done it. There's

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one guy I know who's a FedEx
pilot that has a forty meter HF radio

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in his airplane when he's a cargo
FedEx pilot, but it only goes to

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upper sideband. So we got on
forty meter up F sideband and talk to

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him. Mike Qusos, there's nothing
wrong with that because the FCC doesn't care

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what transmissions we're using or where the
banned allocations are that's done by us MT

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to operas IU and people do that. That's not an FCC thing, so

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that argument's invalid anyway. This is
probably the best one right here. Yeah,

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yeah, so wrong. The FCC
does not own me, and he's

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like, is it frequency and use
fourteenth three hundred net? Nothing heard?

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Frequency is mine cqcq tough luck to
the net. They can go qs I

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like everyone else. No one owns
a frequency. Net can ask politely find

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mind moving mostly I would. But
if they think they can talk over me

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cause deliberate QRM and just ignore me
as they calm down the frequent, they

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can just deal with it. Finally, it was a de expedition from Liberia

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on body mic boat face nets frequency
body boat face. FCC has no jurisdiction

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in Liberia and need and the net
needs the qs Y. Yeah again,

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FCC has nothing to do this.
Guy quoting FCC articles is wrong. FCC

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has nothing to do with this at
all. Okay, so forget that about

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the FCC. That has nothing to
do with this specific topic. No one

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owns a frequency. It's in usef
to qs I even bodymcboth face net and

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then bodymcboth face net. This needs
to be spread far and wide. No,

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mate, nets don't take precedence,
especially with that stupid maritime one.

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The frequencies are open to all and
not owned by self assigned net operators.

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So well said, nets don't own
the frequency. You don't own the frequency.

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If you go out and activate PODA
every day and you always pick the

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same frequency, But one day you
get to the park and someone's on that

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frequency. You need a qsy.
You can ask them to move. They

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can say no, they don't own
the frequency, neither to you. If

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it's an emergency hurricane net, then
maybe maybe so. If it's some sort

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of emergency net, emergencies themselves take
precedence over amateur radio, and that's one

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of your questions in your testing when
you get your first license. That's when

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emergencies always take place. But a
regularly scheduled net for just check ins and

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telling each other how the weather is
that you could easily find on your smartphone.

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No, sorry, that's the way
it is. But more topics on

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that, check out these videos right
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