WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.200 That hello, what? Such a very good afternoon, I am Karan Ramírez 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.879 and we are on a mission to say Radio saying in your ears, in 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:10.919 the new season of D Radio two thousand twenty- four, where we are 4 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:17.199 already sharing with new speakers, new programs and new podcasts here in this program 5 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.559 as well, so don' t miss them that we are in Spotify, 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:23.640 in Amazo, Podcast, Google, Podcast, disser everything that ends in podcast. 7 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:26.879 There we are, so there' s no excuse that they won' 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.000 t find us. And so, this season we' re in hard work 9 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.039 on the street of San Luis Potosí one hundred and thirteen so that they come 10 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:36.960 to give a turn to the great shorrum of pure design, high design, 11 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.159 really, so come and take a turn And I' m very happy and 12 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.719 very surprised because at first I was going to interview one person and now it 13 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:51.000 ' s going to be two by one, Fernando Arrionda and Sebastian McGregor, 14 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.960 that the truth they two, I know them from Designe Wick, who do 15 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.119 an extraordinary job. Guys, how are you, how are you? Thanks 16 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.759 for inviting me. Thank you very much. Thanks for including me, too. 17 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.519 Thank you, no thanks, it really was a surprise and really nice 18 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.480 to do the two for a viceroy had not happened this in a canca. 19 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.439 It' s unusual. After eight years of being on d radio for prime 20 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.519 this finally happens, but good to have you here, I know you from 21 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.879 design Wick. It' s every season that you' re there participating. 22 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.519 The truth is, they' re doing an extraordinary job, and it' 23 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.519 s good to see them all together Yeah, I guess that' s got 24 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:27.239 to do with it. We' re gonna tell you a little bit of 25 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.879 the story. Yeah, not everything. Sebastian always exercised. He' s 26 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.680 an architect. Well, tell him you Sebastian, well, c Sebastian? 27 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:41.480 Yes, Sebastian is an architect of formation and I had always liked the world 28 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:45.359 of plants and up to there I had not always caught much attention and met 29 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.400 in design Wick. I also referred to Fernanda and approached her to teach me 30 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.680 how to work with her and from there I stayed with her learning landscaping. 31 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:59.439 Now you' ve been asking me, it' s not how you do 32 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.599 it to do so much, and it' s because I have a big 33 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.239 team, not just big, of high- level people who work in an 34 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:08.719 extraordinary way. Sebastian is one of my team members. We have in the 35 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:14.199 office many other members like the Machuca and other rosalía and when they listen to 36 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:15.560 this podcast, we will send them to say hello. But I have a 37 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.159 team that allows me to make and sebastian. Yeah, he' s been 38 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.319 working for how long you' ve been with me for up to two half 39 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.439 years. Ok Yo, I thought more. There aren' t almost three 40 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:27.080 today, yes, three. In fact, I already feel like it' 41 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.319 s more time. Yeah, but it feels like it. We' re 42 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:31.879 already like families, and we' re all in the sustainable garden. You 43 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.000 can imagine me, listen, and who Fernanda is, who' s me, 44 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:37.719 I win upstairs, if you look at me, I tell you. 45 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:43.280 I' m saying you see I' m passionate about plants. I' 46 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.080 m a gardener. I' ve always described myself as a gardener. I 47 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.240 ' m a landscaper, self- taught. I' m not your landscape 48 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.360 artist. I didn' t study landscape architecture. I always like to tell 49 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.800 it, because it' s no myth and it' s no no no. 50 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:01.800 People then confuse me by the way I move. I studied international relations 51 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:07.800 on the Iberian in the 1990s. It' s a career I love and 52 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.439 I loved studying it. I don' t regret anything and always everything in 53 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.039 the long run closes circles and closes cycles. And today, with my work 54 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.280 in society, architect those landscapers. It' s been super helpful to have 55 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.319 studied that. And, moreover, all the projects that aboard the landscape always 56 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:28.120 analyze the political, economic and social context before addressing the landscape project. I 57 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.199 always do it mostly in public space. And so because it is something that 58 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:38.080 I bring from formation my life, from a return in the year, in 59 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.039 the two thousand years, at the beginning of the two thousand years, when 60 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.840 I decided to launch a business of design and landscape, I started as everyone 61 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.360 starts with ferents and family little bit, I do the garden, my mom, 62 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.840 my friends, my own garden, experimenting and took a course in the 63 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.960 Iberian that everything no longer exists, but we have one of the teachers that 64 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:05.159 was my teacher there, the architect Miguel Medina, in the diploma of the 65 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.039 Nahuac that you give and the day one that I took that diploma, I 66 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:11.879 understood that I wanted to work on this the rest of the cías month. 67 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.879 I mean, there are things that are like love at first sight, and 68 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:19.480 this was not and alone. I started when there was not so much Internet, 69 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.759 and I say the Internet was already, but there were not so many 70 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:27.759 forums and so many pages of intrenat So much, I began to dedicate myself 71 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.279 to ordering books that did exist asanón, already existed, had books and plant 72 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.160 encyclopaes. And I read in the plant encyclopelas of the z and I understood 73 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:38.240 a lot of things about plant encyclopedias. I understood that they were published in 74 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.759 one country and did not work the same for Mexico. I started experimenting. 75 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.839 I don' t mean if a plant encyclope says that flowering is in spring, 76 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.439 because spring in Spain is not the same as that in Mexico as in 77 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.240 England. Maybe then I learned all that. I was experimenting with my own 78 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:57.319 garden. I created the sustainable garden office and in the years I believe that 79 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.639 in the beginning I already have almost twenty years working on it. This started 80 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.839 with residential gardens hundred percent at first and then we happened several important changes in 81 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:10.279 my life that was participated in the first disange that in two thousand twelve, 82 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:16.160 and there no longer being like positioning the brand within offices, architects and others, 83 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.560 always being very having to the residential and from the seventeenth year, where 84 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:26.120 he participated in the first Festival of Flowers and Fixed Gardens, where I made 85 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.240 the first public space of my office was a wetland in the botanical garden of 86 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.000 Bosque Chacoltep. I can already say we made a change. I don' 87 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:39.800 t think I was doing bigger projects. No, and today we have projects 88 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:44.519 of all kinds in public space and above all good post industrial parks and already 89 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.240 bigger things. No, and that' s who I am. I' 90 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:51.160 m still today that we went with Sebastian in the car, we went to 91 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:55.360 have now, I don' t even tell you what you' re going 92 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.879 to do next week at the Froyres and Jardines Festival, but we went to 93 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.959 see the nursery that we have experimental in Suchimilco And if you always return to 94 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:05.519 the bases, you know that of vocation of information you are a gardener. 95 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:11.800 You' re a gardener who might do more than a traditional gardener. I 96 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.240 mean, we do landscape architecture, I don' t think, but I 97 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:16.639 ' ll never stop being a gardener and not passionate about notes. Very well, 98 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.839 and Sebastian' s formation, how is it because I already knew the 99 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:29.480 formation of fer but yes that of Sebastian, that of Sebastian is focused to 100 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.319 see. I think it affects a lot. My mom' s a biologist 101 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.680 and I think that' s where this formation begins towards the landscape. No, 102 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.720 yes, I think that' s obviously where the design comes from. 103 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.360 It' s always been something for me that I liked. That' s 104 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.439 why I mean to jump architecture and from there I got interior design. I 105 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:51.160 put a lot into interior design at one time, but something was missing and 106 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.879 the plants gave it to me. I don' t know what it' 107 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:58.399 s like to work with as well, with this living environment. Not that 108 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.920 for me it has been magical, it goes half with the seasons and how 109 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:06.000 to interact in a living environment that was as well as good design. I 110 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:12.240 ' m fascinated by architecture, I' m fascinated by this formation as well 111 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.720 as I do, I have an architect uncle, like I' ve always 112 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.399 seen all this growing up, I grew up with pure architects, but something 113 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:20.839 like that didn' t fit in my life and the plants gave it to 114 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:26.920 me. Yeah, it' s like this, it' s like understanding. 115 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:31.360 For me it' s like everyday interaction with something alive and you do 116 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.079 the design and you apply it. But at the same time it evolves by 117 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.120 itself. And that' s very nice, like you have to anticipate. 118 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.639 But you' re always getting surprised. Not because, yes, plants are 119 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.959 fascinating. Yeah, because it' s not an architectural project. You finish 120 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.639 the geotic project and it' s already there. You stay and dedicate yourself, 121 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.160 you dedicate yourself to preserving the essence of the project that doesn' t 122 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.319 get damaged over the years or to updating it all of a sudden. But 123 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.399 architecture is much more, because it doesn' t change that much. They 124 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.439 don' t change places they change cities, people change. But a building, 125 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.399 because it is a building, yes, different meats, living exact, 126 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.160 we created, plant communities and, besides, our office is like focused on 127 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.639 naturalist landscaping, but I think also having people from different formations inside the office 128 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.560 helps a lot. That is, of course, we need architects working in 129 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.439 the office. We have monomast, sebastian. There are other architects in the 130 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.399 office doing project to the machuca. We don' t have kids on social 131 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.519 service. For me it is very important to have the point of view of 132 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.039 architect, because I am not and I have always said that it is my 133 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.000 best virtue not be architect. No, because I don' t question them. 134 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.440 I question them a lot in supplemental things. We' re not just 135 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.039 perfect. Of course because I see something else. Yeah, and Sebastian doesn 136 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.000 ' t see what I see, nor do I see what Sestian is, 137 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.240 nor do I see what Alan' s office or not then. But yes, 138 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.559 I think it was a father process. I already met him at the 139 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.879 two thousand twenty- one at Licen House and he makes me wonder as well 140 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.399 as Hola fer I feel like learning, learning and seeing what wavele sante to 141 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.440 work with us. And so it was, and I did, I' 142 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:18.320 ve seen a lot of evolution in our office since Sebastian came in and let 143 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.240 ' s say a lot of things happened before. It wasn' t fair 144 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.159 to come out of the pandemic and right now we realized, after the pandemic 145 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.480 much more of the importance of green spaces than we were used to. I 146 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:33.879 feel like we were more locked up in party halls, offices or restaurants, 147 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.039 you had them. No, people went out to the street, to eat 148 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.679 the exact street and are green spaces, even if they are small, and 149 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:45.679 it was also a rethinking of the public space, of the use of the 150 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.799 public space of the cities. So all this has been a very father and 151 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.960 I think our office has been growing much faster in the last five years than 152 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.799 in the first fifteen, for example. For telling you like that, but 153 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.200 it' s normal. It' s not what they' re going to 154 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.799 sow clearly, yes, exactly. And last October that I interviewed you indisiin 155 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.679 House right in your Jardin, that you did wonderful, that I was amazing 156 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.759 to you, I learned that now you are the new President of sap SR, 157 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.399 of the Society of Landscape Architects of Mexico. Congratulations, but how do 158 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.279 you do it, woman and as presidents. As President, it' s 159 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.360 one of the most rewarding jobs I' ve ever had in my life. 160 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.279 I see it as a project rather than a job. It' s a 161 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.759 post really isn' t a position where you assume a public personality, because 162 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.600 it' s a landscape archtect society, it' s an association that you 163 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.320 have fifty years of existence among its founding partners. For example, I mention 164 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.279 it a lot because a lot of people don' t know. He was 165 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.840 the architect Luis Barrajante, because Nes Barragan was a landscaper. He described himself 166 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:50.120 as a landscape architect, in addition to being a great architect. Much of 167 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.480 his legacy took place in the urban area of several places in Mexico City and 168 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.080 in addition the gardens they made in his house. Not the landscape architects society. 169 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.879 When I turn five in damage, a lot happens since we' ve 170 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.360 opened a lot more. At first it was very limited to accepting only landscape 171 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.639 artict partners. And for a long time, already from several Presidencies back, 172 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.279 not from mine, from that of Maya the RUSAA and Katherin Brian began to 173 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:22.080 make it much more diverse and I equated it. A community of plants. 174 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.480 If a community of plants is much more diverse, it is richer and the 175 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:33.399 society of landscape architects is opening up. He has already opened up to have 176 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.960 members of other disciplines, but that are all for purposes to the landscape, 177 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.600 biologists, arborists, urbanists, etc. We have academics of all kinds dedicated 178 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:48.879 to agronomists architects. Many are architects, as to the limited offer in Mexico, 179 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.120 the offer of academic in terms of landscape architecture is limited because there is 180 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.759 a bachelor' s degree that is the one already are opening much more in 181 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.080 many master' s degrees. That presented us with a problem and a dilemma 182 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.879 in which society went very small, the landscaped society cretos. So, now 183 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:13.720 that we open it, it' s a whole revolution and it' s 184 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.200 my turn to leave this legacy to me. It is not the task of 185 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:24.759 communicating the vocation of landscaped aquiritos society, and our vocation is to promote the 186 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.759 discipline of landscape architecture in Mexico and Latin America. Not clear and how I 187 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.200 do it, then, thanks to the wonderful team that I have in the 188 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:39.240 office and within the society architects, landscapers and Sebastian and people like Stephane Creek 189 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.960 and Diana Hernández, who work hard in society, that these landscapers are architects, 190 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.600 landscapers, ejas of formation and because people who were before me, who 191 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.000 are my mentors, did Arredondo, Mario Shetman, all of them who were 192 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.960 from previous presidents, the Isofo was founding partner. In fact, the history 193 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.120 of the architectural society was that the Liceo first entered as a person to be 194 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:09.519 part of the IFLA, which is the International Federation Offlands Cape ARQUITEC and then 195 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:15.240 he entered as an individual partnership and then formed the society. What' s 196 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.080 up, what' s up? What' s up? And yes, 197 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:22.799 Redondo entered the Ifla as a person as well. Then he spoke to Barragán 198 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.519 and other partners that I don' t remember all the name right now, 199 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.919 but among them Mario Shepman rito Alfonso Murai, who today has because it is 200 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.840 not close to the ninety years and continues working in the architecture of the landscape 201 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.039 Wow. So society was formed and over these fifty years we have done things. 202 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.759 We already have thirteen congresses held in the Congress is held every two years 203 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:52.120 is the National Congress of Landscape Architecture and every two years the vienal. This 204 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.639 year it touches the sea This year it plays well it touches the binal and 205 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.720 the surprise has already authorized that we can communicate it already. This year it 206 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.320 will be an award in Colombia. What father, why? Because the biennial 207 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.000 is called the Latin American biennial of the landscape, the landscape no longer gives 208 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.399 them the number of landscape. So this is the first time Mexico has won 209 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:15.600 the award, although Mexico always organizes it. I think it' s time 210 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:16.679 to get her out of Mexico. Already organized in Colombia. We will give 211 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.000 the details to much later And what is stop sounds incredible, that well, 212 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.960 but if you are very right is Latin American and it was always celebrated here 213 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.240 in Mexico, yes, but good that you already had the initiative to take 214 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.279 it out, because the truth was initiative of the team of the Angolan architects 215 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.399 society. We owe it to Megumio Andrade, who is also the vice president. 216 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.320 But he' s not in Mexico right now, but the other day 217 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.039 we invited him to the interview. Yeah, he' s in Mexico right 218 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.000 now. She' s in Japan right now. She organizes trips to Japan 219 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.120 and knows a lot about Japanese culture. And besides, they are now on 220 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.679 the subject of cherry trees. And all this is spring right now is not 221 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.200 fair. When people liked to travel to Japan, then it was her initiative 222 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:01.279 and throughout several negotiations with a legacy already Colombian and in those volumes hour of 223 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.480 which father is already giving her as a surprise. Yeah, it' s 224 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.279 a surprise bike to me, too, but many times what I' ve 225 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.159 been telling you right now is based on the car. If it doesn' 226 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.240 t hit you, there are projects that you feel a little bit on the 227 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.759 edge of the cliff. Yeah, but you know you' re gonna jump 228 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.600 and nothing' s gonna happen. This is one of them. You don 229 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.240 ' t say. Oh, it' s the first time we' ve 230 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:28.000 left Mexico, but then the stars always line up and the sponsors arrive and 231 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.480 it' s coming out. All right, it' s not amazing to 232 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:37.440 do it and if you don' t feel like on roller coasters it' 233 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.120 s not a project that' s treated enough for you exactly then I like 234 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.960 these mountain ranges and because there' s her, you' re gonna mart 235 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.039 your rags, you' re gonna go back. You' re a father. 236 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.200 I am very happy to know that it is evolving very well. It 237 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.919 is the rest of the landscape and the biennial that is already coming and that 238 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.559 already are the summons, right now, until the question. We' re 239 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.919 already shared on my radio. I invite you to enter the page of the 240 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.080 biennial. If you put the Latin American landscape right, it seems to me 241 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.320 that the page is www. Black landscape is called something like that if you 242 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:17.039 weren' t helping confirm it to dress your audience and invite them to everything. 243 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.519 They don' t need to be landscape architects. You can put your 244 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:26.039 projects in. Anyone who has some landscape architecture project is open- pit spaces. 245 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.639 But we have several categories, not only built and unbuilt construction projects, 246 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:38.360 and within urban architectural scales and region to territorial protection projects as well and we 247 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:45.120 also have the category of research projects. That' s why we include you 248 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:51.960 I tell the landscape architects society has many acanomics in which father their associates and 249 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.799 many have impressive research projects. And also in Latin America there are many super 250 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:03.639 valuable research projects in different universities, since we can mention several, but we 251 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.759 have colleagues in Brazil, at the University of Brasilia, are constantly publishing interesting 252 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.319 things. Then just so they know and we' ll be following them. 253 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.519 We will continue to share the initiatives. Anything we are contacted by social networks, 254 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.839 not perfect to the social networks of the society architects paacialistas or Vienna. 255 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.519 We have social networks for both of us very well, but that' s 256 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.319 it. Do not waste your time and come to give a reading to the 257 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.240 calls, because they are very good and participate, which is the most important 258 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.039 thing that they enter, that they dare yes, because the projects do win. 259 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.680 And I say you never know when I touch you not to win a 260 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.039 project and you always have to be putting projects in. I didn' t 261 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.720 win prizes, which I didn' t expect to win. And it is 262 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.680 very important to put the projects in because in addition, you are also learning 263 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.559 about what other people do. Not anymore, you don' t know and 264 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.759 then or be the finalists and you know people. That' s like a 265 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.720 workshop on bread. Also yes, yes, it' s a good network 266 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.720 five really hard and it' s talking to people, which is your competition. 267 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.400 Finally and in the end who earns it Sometimes it' s not that 268 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.519 important. No, but of course it' s a recognition and we also 269 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.440 have the price. We have an award that grants IFLA within the society that 270 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.240 you can that within the biennial and fla that is the International Federation of architects 271 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.720 of world landscape. This award is well prestigious and is the prize as the 272 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:27.200 top prize and is very prestigious for any firm architecture countrying to have a rural 273 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.440 prize porrifla is next. He' s a pain in the ass today. 274 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:36.039 It' s good to bring everything. Let' s go with everything real 275 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:37.920 and good wey tell me what you' re doing. Right now, jarainsustentable, 276 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.279 because I feel like they' re coming from Chinampaurita. Yes, please, 277 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.519 let' s talk. The week that enters is the Festival de Flores 278 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.920 y Jardines fixed in Mexico City. What a father you all know and everyone 279 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.400 already loves and there are people who travel from other parts of the country and 280 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.720 I' m going to tell you a little bit of history. This festival. 281 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.680 Its first edition was the pre- launching in the two thousand sixteen in 282 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:06.519 the botanical garden of the forest Chapitatepec, as a pre- launch, as 283 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:11.960 an initiative of the Foundation planting with cause of epity of the streets, seeing 284 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.359 as that a little bit measuring the water to the tambals to see how it 285 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.799 reacted and it was such a success that the edition was made two thousand seventeen 286 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.279 and two thousand eighteen. What was the vocation of this edition to rehabilitate the 287 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:26.200 botanical garden, the Chapopec forest, whose master plan by the architect Magrier Sheatward, 288 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:32.960 was very successful. After or there has been a pause of almost six 289 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:38.759 years in not being able to intervene anymore the botno robot garden Chapultepec and has 290 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.440 concentrated Festival of flowers and gardens on the initiative they have in Polanco of Polanco 291 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.519 in flowers of the shops and the crossed ones, which is spectacular and travels 292 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.079 people from all over the country to take pictures with them and besides, it 293 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.960 is an opportunity for the brands. No, but this year we return with 294 00:19:53.000 --> 00:20:00.440 temporary garden facilities to Campo Mars and Campo Mars is this where we are going 295 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.759 to be there sustainable garden and twelve other offices. I think it' s 296 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.319 twelve. I don' t remember. That' s two in total. 297 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.519 Several are members of the landscape architects society. It is fullsol Pole, the 298 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:17.319 landscape of Alejandra, the sow Oatán, Daniel Gómez, Bulbao home or I 299 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:22.160 study harvesting water, jazz arterra landscaping. If I forget, somebody forgives you 300 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.839 guys, but you' re a lot. I' ll write. Yeah, 301 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.599 that' s right now. I tell you the page of the biennial 302 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:38.000 W Black, landscape com perfect and in fixate. I mean, we' 303 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.720 ll be 12 dispatches inside the Mars field with temporary facilities. They' re 304 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.880 micro- garden gardens. Our garden is what I call a pocket garden of 305 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:49.039 four meters by five. Yes, yes, and I love it because this 306 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.359 year' s theme is called the garden of amazing beings, and all the 307 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:59.599 gardens are oriented to the amazing species that inhabit our garden, but not only 308 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:06.799 pollinators, but also fungi, mycorrides, that is, all are amazing beings 309 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:14.200 that are in conjunction with the plants inhabiting our small rodent gardens or tlacocacomiscles. 310 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:15.839 I don' t know you know that gardens inhabit all kinds of beings. 311 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:21.880 Our garden is a bird garden and in this garden we are collaborating with creative 312 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.880 yato that you already know them also say that it is a spectacular company that 313 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.799 weaves with palm of communities of warrior and of caréntaro. Yes, yes, 314 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.000 and we have a surprise, a nest, some nests, that is, 315 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:36.480 spectacular, and we come from there. We went first to see plants in 316 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:40.279 the occimilco chinampas and then to see the nests as the fabric was going And 317 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:41.599 well, we' ll get it up. Right now, images on social 318 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.240 networks and you will be able, as you see, incredible. And I 319 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.799 ' ve always believed that collaborating on a project gives it much more wealth. 320 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.359 I mean, I do that I can know about making a nest. And 321 00:21:55.400 --> 00:22:00.440 there are the master weavers not clear, which are more artists than they are 322 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.079 apart. It' s ancient tradition. Orita, they were telling us that 323 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.839 we are doing it with material that no longer serve them, because you can 324 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.799 not weave a basket with what is left of the Palma, because it has 325 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.240 to be a continuous strip to weave. That is to say, I believe 326 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.759 that of what remained for them on Sunday in the Community, which are the 327 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.279 points, because they are not very long the sevación must measure forty thirty- 328 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.960 five cetimeters. All that is already material that is not useful for weaving, 329 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:32.240 because the baskets you have seen them as PJ that even the lines of Palma 330 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:37.839 are thrown back and weaving it. Then the whole spirit of the garden is 331 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.240 to use material that they would no longer have used. He bought yato from 332 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:47.359 these artisans this material they were going to throw away. And it' s 333 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.519 just what birds do in nests, not experiences, the service of what birds 334 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:57.000 find, from what twig leaves are found, and then it' s an 335 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:03.039 obviously, it' s an artistic interpretation clear. We are making a faithful 336 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.480 nest of being inspired by birds of chapultepeque the Mexican sanate that inhabits Mexico City 337 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:15.200 near the water. Then there are healers in chapultepec as bringing a little bit 338 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:22.160 to the discourse the topic of urban birds and in a super artistic and spectacular 339 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.200 interpretation of this company and self creative Claudia a part. We are already friends, 340 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:30.079 colleagues, we have lived everything in disiden wicks This I already, this 341 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.079 heat, impossible deliveries work eleven o' clock at night. Then I trusted 342 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:41.000 her. When I invited him, it was as she was already believed, 343 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.599 we already wanted this collaboration and when they told me in invite, Pati told 344 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:45.079 me you' re going to make a jargin. You see I said well, 345 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.200 I know who is going to be the nest after yes, now is 346 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.559 when and I hope that now they go to the week that I entered the 347 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.359 nest and then we will wait for them to say radio. Ah of course 348 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.039 and this areas that I liked already goes the guided tour. So yes, 349 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.559 of course, this is what we have right now for sustainable garden in the 350 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.839 short term, in the long term, because to continue with our projects that 351 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.680 we already have to continue research. I' m kind of obsessed with working 352 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.759 on poor soils people, with anti- garden, right now for Fernández, 353 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.279 anti- garden, ok we have many traditions inherited from agriculture, which is 354 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.720 very good, that is, for agriculture. We are talking about agroforestry and 355 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.119 very rich soil and so on. However, there are many vegetable communities that 356 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.079 they like. The poor soils grow in poor soil and the meadows that I 357 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.559 make I designed a meadow for a park, to a post industrial site, 358 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.519 a recital site, industrial, in a company transports in Guadalajara, just where 359 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.000 it does not pass several railway tracks, but the residual space, where there 360 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:56.039 was lying gravel thrown to spoil this metal thrown alone contaminated. We took away 361 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.319 all that garbage, that is to say, solid waste and with the soil 362 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:07.279 there and the rock that had planted a lot of wild plants, many natives 363 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.799 of Mexico and that you think looked not well what follows it see ay why, 364 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.359 because some what passes the meadows. If your sertiles are a paradora, 365 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.319 you put very fertile soil on it. The only thing that' s going 366 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:25.319 to happen is that grasses, which are very selfish and very absorb a lot 367 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:26.960 of nitrogen and need a lot of nutrients. It was commented, that is, 368 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:32.200 they eat the rest of the space of the plants are very competitive and 369 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:33.839 if you raise a meadow, the pastures finish your flowers and the time you 370 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.880 no longer have flowers and you have by the steps. Of course what happened 371 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.319 here. None of that. I mean, grasses invade very little because they 372 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.920 ' re just very poor. There are pastures growing on poor soils, eh, 373 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.039 but plants they like alone poor. There are many types of plants in 374 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.559 Mexico that don' t care about poor soil and rocky soil we see in 375 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:57.599 the Pedreal SanÁngel Reserve. Totally, they grow in lava if dry for 376 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.599 thousands of years and no one pretilizes them. In this scene they' re 377 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.759 already blooming every year. Then I like to challenge these ideas and present this 378 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.759 anti gardening and say in the gardener is the anti gardener And it will no 379 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.240 longer fertilize once more not once, because what happens. Solitary plants fix tempts 380 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.440 and enrich the soil. You don' t need to put anything on it. 381 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:26.559 We do not have land doing projects with much less impact of carbon histo 382 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.720 and that is what but in the short term we have a fixed and long 383 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.319 - term festival that will follow us on social networks with these anti- garden 384 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.839 projects. All right, it' s not for how much sebastian. Then 385 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.680 our customers ask us when it comes to fertilizing their gardens. The only thing 386 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:47.200 to fertilize is grass. But nothing more, why the grass is designed to 387 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.960 see how many them until States biologically united to grow, to grow. If, 388 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.079 in reality and we are cutting it all the time, then it is 389 00:26:53.119 --> 00:27:00.880 a constantly stressed plant, like that leaf never produces photosynthesis already feels good more 390 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:07.039 a potential to create nourishing and it is always much more susceptible is to fertilize 391 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.599 it more or it is stable, domesticated and, of course, estringed. 392 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.839 But we no longer try not to put grass anywhere, but sometimes it is 393 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:22.519 irreplaceable. We understand that with some clients. Yes, yes, but try 394 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.279 to reduce to the maximum the area of grass in the houses and in the 395 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.680 public area, also in the and or if we have to water at least 396 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.559 and leave it half dry when as if, because I think people marry with 397 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.000 the fact that how much golf it is just to have a golf green and 398 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.759 it is all grass and plants on the banks or just, and not a 399 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.680 garden. It goes beyond having grass and seeing it all the time, because 400 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.839 apart from the grass, it absorbs a lot of water, it feels very 401 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.480 beautiful, yes, magua and now. We' re not looking exactly and 402 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.319 they know what to stop giving away. It' s okay, it' 403 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.960 s okay, it' s okay, it' s okay, it' 404 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:02.960 s okay, it' s okay, it' s okay, it' 405 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:02.960 s okay, it' s okay, it' s okay, it' 406 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.680 s okay. We have a client. Now we are solving a project near 407 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.000 the valley of Bravo that we stop giving away grass. Well, they don 408 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.000 ' t give him away all season, but he stopped pruning. I told 409 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.960 him to stop being able to leave it alone, seriously and what happened? 410 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.440 The pastor is appreciating us because he needs water to grow. So, since 411 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.640 it' s in the norm, what' s going on with everything else 412 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:23.039 that wanted to go out and that we didn' t leave it with the 413 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.640 mower. Of course, coming out came out of a bunch of little flowers. 414 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:33.160 Yesterday we saw some amazing mancerinas. It' s not still green coverage. 415 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.319 Sure, besides, it happened to us. Then we must dare the 416 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.640 gardener' s ante. Yeah, let it grow, yeah, let it 417 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.160 be in tempo. There you, it' s going to become a problem, 418 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.079 because it' s going to grow a lot and we' re going 419 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:48.799 to see what we do between projects. But, Ahorita, maybe my idea 420 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.319 is that these colonizing plants and these spontaneous plants end up with the grass. 421 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:59.599 Or you already understood the competition. Right now, they have a competitive advantage 422 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.039 because, as there is, they don' t need water and grass. 423 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.960 Yeah, so the grass is like resting. Of course, that' s 424 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:07.519 exactly what I want to see. Okay, then we' ll go. 425 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.359 We' re going to publish them. I don' t know what' 426 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.680 s going to happen anymore. Okay, but we' re seeing more species 427 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.839 per species, which works for us in the long run and which one doesn 428 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:18.480 ' t, of course, I already know what' s going to happen. 429 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.319 That' s gonna happen what I told you. The plants, Ahorita 430 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.519 are going to colonize the area that the grass is leaving. Right now, 431 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.960 he is at rest and then see which is not useful to tread, which 432 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.359 serves for why we are going to grow very high and others are served, 433 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.119 others yes, you can step on. Then it' s about putting some 434 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.440 in a third- night place. Well, yes, exactly Listen, I 435 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.079 ' m going to ask you both, yes, how important to you. 436 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:47.440 This year with year in they say Wick, how important it is to participate 437 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.640 for you Tell me then, to see you I' m going to talk 438 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.079 to me, not because there are many people say why you keep doing this 439 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.519 when you' re, you' re crazy, that' s because apart 440 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:57.680 it' s how stressful it is, don' t beat yourself. It 441 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.359 ' s interesting. That' s a very stressful process. It' s 442 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.480 a setback, against the clock, against the clock. But besides, we 443 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.799 are the only space apart from the others. This year there were three gardens, 444 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.359 two gardens down and not on the top floor of the schisic landscape and 445 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:17.839 up to Juan Sánchez. They' re not yes, yes, we are. 446 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.920 No one understands us, like everyone else. They' re architects, 447 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.119 carpenters, upholsterers, that' s for real. It is very difficult for 448 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.000 them to understand that our garden is a finish even though alive. Yeah, 449 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.200 that' s right. That' s right, that' s right. 450 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.119 But I love it for millions of reasons. The first is collaboration. If 451 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.920 I hadn' t never met this girl from Claudia de Iato, for example, 452 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.000 or I' d never known I' d be enough. For me 453 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:48.079 it' s important I wouldn' t know, dog yes, not Sinwak 454 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.279 ' s most important thing. And I think I tell my students, because 455 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.799 a lot of people measure or a lot of people I know who have participated 456 00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.839 as I said better and I' m no longer raising awareness about a topic 457 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.079 and I think my participation says Wicks if only I had once stayed there. 458 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.519 Oh how nice the garden of Fernanda of the two thousand nineteen, for example, 459 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.559 that was very famous and giving of the mirrors that I put for the 460 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.359 first time cosnos of pines that we reproduce from seed. It was the first 461 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.640 time he reproduces seed plant, especially for that gallows that a little bit is 462 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.079 blown up, it' s not like that because sometimes it comes out, 463 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.599 sometimes it doesn' t and we go to China we stick that there, 464 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.440 but this time it did happen like that and maybe they would have said yes. 465 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.039 It was very nice, but the exercise of the constancy of repeating a 466 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.079 message one year after year, after year, three years, three years, 467 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.759 has worked to transform a little bit the image that the public has, the 468 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:45.920 naturalist landscape. Yes or no. I think so, I think I think 469 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.359 you do. I can say that, after nine participations. I believe that 470 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.880 we have succeeded in influencing the public' s perception of what looks good and 471 00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:00.079 not at first they were very shocked by my very poor gardens. I think 472 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:06.200 so. And second, it' s pretty hard every year to believe something 473 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.599 different. Yeah, yeah, and I always say, oh, see if 474 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:13.079 we don' t get it the same as last year and we' re 475 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.440 always surprised at sebastian and we always create something new. That' s right. 476 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.319 I can' t tell you if we' re going to participate this 477 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.039 year, because we always leave it a little bit to align certain things. 478 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.200 Yeah, especially you who have things to see on you and I don' 479 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.720 t think anything would happen either. Also of what it means. I would 480 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.240 love to open it to more offices that could participate many more offices. However, 481 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.720 the dison House space sometimes does not allow it. It was amazing this 482 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.599 year. We met these girls, they' re landscaped and we collaborated. 483 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.440 It' s really weird because then you have someone else to listen to your 484 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.119 problems. Yes, of course and we have to water you no, that 485 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.880 is, for example, because the one who makes the living room or the 486 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.960 dining room does not have to water daily. Yeah, nothing at all. 487 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:59.160 This year we had even Rainberg sponsors who went to put it yes Galomans or 488 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.559 my river installer of millions of years ago, that is, they sponsored us 489 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.039 the river. Imagine how important it is to participate in saynwik that even they 490 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.960 are looking for us to collaborate. Ah It is very bad because we present 491 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.240 to you a system of irrigation by boat that is like this, it is 492 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.680 done an irrigation like, no, with a pipe out and that is seen 493 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.799 all the people and it throws the water everywhere. I don' t mean 494 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.440 waste I like it, even if it' s a temporary installation, always 495 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.680 be faithful to my work. I would never say I know that it' 496 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.680 s going to take a month and I could put a plant that won' 497 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.640 t be given next to another that won' t be given and they won 498 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.599 ' t work and they look good for a month and no one will notice 499 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.480 clearly, but I would be lying to my audience and my students and my 500 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.279 students. And then we always try to be very aware of the message we 501 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.000 communicate. And, well, then, we' re not rushing, it 502 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.519 ' s not adrenaline. If we get problems addicted to adrenaline, you think 503 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:57.240 it' s an incoming army and miss is like exercise. It' s 504 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.480 very nice of the collaboration with the whole house. It is very splendid, 505 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.880 that is the entrance, it is very stressful, because all of a sudden 506 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:09.239 they enter through a pedestrian door, three hundred furniture, heavy finishes, marbles 507 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.159 and trees. Not then, like a whole thing is amazing, like the 508 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.880 exercise of your house. Sometimes there up to 200 people. So it' 509 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.679 s not crazy. It' s so dull that it' s happening. 510 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you have to behave and you can' 511 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.079 t lose your cool and you can' t lose your cool. And suddenly 512 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.519 it is maximum stress, but also the blacksmith here helps you and the face 513 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.039 of the help if you take a plant brings you the ladder. Yes, 514 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:40.239 it is the motorcycle people and we are more solved also nothing like with new 515 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.920 offices, that is, as it has evolved and we have met new spachos 516 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:50.440 and we know new offices. But above all, as Fed says that customers 517 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:55.320 or the public that consumes design can consume landscaping as at the design level, 518 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.599 yes, that is, that they put it in their i e, consider 519 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.639 it already as design. No more gardening. A gardener already did. The 520 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:09.239 gardener has already gone as a perception of what landscaping is. It' s 521 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.480 one more discipline of design. Not sure. I think it' s like 522 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.559 the function and good, but he' s done a lot for this to 523 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.960 happen to him and I think I' ve had the customers and they say 524 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.159 I want this in my house. Yeah, I never would' ve bought 525 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.239 it for you. I never would have seen it, but I see it 526 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.960 and now it' s like this. So, what it is is a 527 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.840 demonstration of the work and it' s like someone tells it to invite you 528 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:36.480 yes and right now good. A client did go last year Juan Sebastián to 529 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.159 see him and this I want to say no. We cannot disassemble it and 530 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:45.280 carry it null for many reasons, but we are repeating it. But he 531 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.119 already understood that he wants a garden without grass, completely wants different species like 532 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.559 he already does. I mean, that' s the nicest thing about this. 533 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.280 The message reached the client. It came to him and I have a 534 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.760 competitive advantage against the rest of the people at Dison House, because there' 535 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.199 s only one garden not like two or you and I understand that we had 536 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:13.000 to make a very strong message from the landscape. It' s not clear 537 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.119 design, and I' ve been invited year by year. It' s 538 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.840 not an obligation at all. It' s just a chance for me every 539 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.519 year and every year I say yes. I' ve said yes many times, 540 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.880 nine years and always. I never regret it when we' re done, 541 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.199 although there' s stress, yes, millions of things happen and everyone 542 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.039 who' s in saja, that is, we' ve made joke videos 543 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.760 of not going to end up in time, not a month. Last year 544 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.840 you got one like a joke. And that' s the feeling. If 545 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.000 you say tyano and all of a sudden, about twenty- four hours before 546 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.599 or forty- eight hours before it happens from magic and it' s all 547 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.119 over. You' re staying warm. He landed still very good with the 548 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.599 whole cause. Yes, but it' s an incredible collaborative exercise and as 549 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.039 the director of San Gwick says, that Melio Cabrero, who you know, 550 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.719 I' m very kind. Yeah, we' re a family and I 551 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.039 believe it, it' s amazing. It' s to that family environment. 552 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.039 I mean, we' re already two quates. I don' t 553 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.079 think I' d ever been clear about that message Emilio had, because more 554 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.119 than once he had repeated it in an interview. I reputed it all the 555 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.760 time aja and I find it incredible and just last year I think it was 556 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:23.320 pretty clear when you saw it in four c interact in the house to see 557 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:27.360 them on the mere day of which we open the doors to the press. 558 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.639 And that' s when I noticed more than every time they' re helping 559 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.880 each other and I pass this on to you, I pass on to you. 560 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.920 And also when we had the panel with you think we sent a greeting 561 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.239 to frest in the white work of everything is talking. Thank you, you 562 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.400 think everyone talking about the same subject and talking about everything that had happened to 563 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.239 achieve the goal. That' s when I realized they were a family. 564 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we' re all too far from lending me 565 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:59.559 your broom ah how it kills time or it' s also with the sponsors 566 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:00.840 and the media. I also say we get to know each other and come 567 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.360 on. It' s very nice this exercise has been very nice. Yeah, 568 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.639 yeah. I think the family isn' t just like it' s 569 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.880 not, we' re not just the ones yet, but it' s, 570 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.880 like, a little bit out, everyone, the suppliers even as you 571 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.639 say sebastian, that is, the same suppliers that work with us from the 572 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:23.159 blacksmiths. There are even people who have evolved their career through oh thanks to 573 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.440 Addison Wick. In other words, there are offices that have originally grown that 574 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.960 were probably no more suppliers, not that they decided to see this model. 575 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.199 I mean, you see entrepreneurs as well and we' re a model of 576 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:37.559 all of us We' re starting at that, that' s a lot 577 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.679 of the word entrepreneur. I don' t call him more Right now that 578 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.320 we were there in Suchimilco lego, to know that we are all entrepreneurs, 579 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.239 that is micros or macros, or Mexico is the country of the entrepreneurs. 580 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.159 Not Micro. How many women, there are not that tend to see the 581 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.920 tienditas, we did not come, we stopped in an ox to, but 582 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.280 there are a thousand tienditas. Not Margarita, there' s a thousand tempts. 583 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.760 There' s always a woman behind and s s s s tiendita and 584 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.679 no matter how many you invite out there on the street. They all sell 585 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:06.079 and there are already these women, whether they' re men or whatever. 586 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.639 And the winterers. In Sochimilco there are dectal greenhouses and there are another thousand 587 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.559 meters just. And we' re all entrepreneurs. And we are all in 588 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:21.960 disin rick because we are entrepreneurs or design professionals, as you want to call 589 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.719 entrepreneurs. Now we do, but finally we are two leading companies and we 590 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.320 learn a lot from that too the design Wick model, which is non- 591 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.039 profit. That too has helped me a lot to work in Architectural society as 592 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:42.079 well. It seems that in Mexico it is inventing totally different strategies for raising 593 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.280 funds, in order to be able to bring design and landscape architecture to other 594 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:52.599 people. Both have helped me a lot, both society and wik say that 595 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.039 having collaborated with them so many years and understanding many things how partnerships work without 596 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.280 luxury endings. Yeah, it' s just very interesting. That' s 597 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.760 not easy, because it' s not just fundraising, it' s attracting 598 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.400 the public that' s interesting and engaging and going on two things at a 599 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.960 time and it' s a big challenge. They say so much as what 600 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.440 is done in it among all the things I do, because you always ask 601 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.000 me what soon I tell you. So then, if not many people know 602 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.000 and I' m going to talk about it. I also send a greeting 603 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.880 to my professor Javier Duarte, who will listen to this. It' s 604 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.719 called. Javier Duarte Slateger is a Lipade teacher. I am a graduate of 605 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.000 lipadre very well that is the business school of the Pan American University and we 606 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.039 are writing. I offered Javier. I wrote the case of the landscape architects 607 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.079 society for lipa because lipader is handled with the method of the case, not 608 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.400 that it is to study a case of a company or of some association. 609 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.679 You don' t really have to do business by profession and you study finance. 610 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.480 The case of x company Full Motors, I don' t know. 611 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.079 It doesn' t necessarily have to be big companies. There are some that 612 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.760 are called stationery. I don' t know what. So because they are 613 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.440 cases to illustrate a principle of matter that you are carrying, for example, 614 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:13.079 Javier Da the matter of decision analysis. He described a case about the Titanic. 615 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:19.480 The catastrophic decisions were made before the Titanie East Jesus sank. So I 616 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.400 decided to propose you write the case of landscape direct society and how it has 617 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.000 transformed over fifty years and what awaits you in the next two that I am 618 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.079 President. If there is re- election, it would be another two we 619 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.360 don' t know, but it can happen and how we are transforming it 620 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.400 to make the rantable. So we' re writing this case. This is 621 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.599 the part where I tell you non- profit associations, from the subject of 622 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.800 design, because we are landscape architecture, how to do it to make it 623 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.440 profitable and above all, know how to communicate and that brands interest them sponsored. 624 00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:00.239 We have several super interesting allied brands. And here we are. But 625 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.440 just so you know in one of the eight hundred, fifty- eight, 626 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.079 thousand more things we do. We meet every fortnight the operating board of the 627 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.920 Stefany Creek Society, Diana Hernández and I with our teacher of lipadre, to 628 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.239 teach us many things, they do not have much experience in the associations infiennes 629 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:21.000 of Lucrostan. He is a counselor to several and then he is advising us 630 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.679 and also, holding hands. It' s not so much that he gives 631 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.960 us the solutions, he' s bringing us to the hand that we' 632 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.800 ll find. The clear solutions that you know how to solve yes and communicate. 633 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.800 This is fun. That' s good fun. Well, the truth 634 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.960 does sound pretty interesting. Hear what father faith? Hey, what would be 635 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.960 the project you' d consider, which would be the jewel of the sustainable 636 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.360 garden crown that tells you this one. I' d love for you to 637 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.480 get there, get where your office is going. I want to do a 638 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.039 project of my dreams. Yes, what would he be, what a blacksmith 639 00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.400 sebastian think not, for I don' t know right now he' ll 640 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.920 tell you or or or look. I would love to continue transforming residual and 641 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:12.039 post- industrial space somewhat more, that is, to continue this project that 642 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:21.960 we started doing together with the Grupo Mexico Foundation, to reproduce native plants to 643 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.559 rehabilitate post- industrial seasonal space is called industrial posto, not that the space 644 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:31.480 is actually put industrial, but the residual space in a place that is contaminated. 645 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.639 Make a sort of biological corridor inside all these industrial corridors that there are 646 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.840 and have lots of residual spaces. I' d love that. I know 647 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.199 it doesn' t sound like maybe, so loud, it' s not 648 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:50.880 a better park together. I' d love to because there' s a 649 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.079 book, a chapter in a book that I read that' s called a 650 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.800 strange beauty, or a strange cuty is a landscaper, or I don' 651 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.639 t remember the name. But then I tell you a little bit about the 652 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.280 postis spaces and the strange beauty they have when you come to a real industrial 653 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.679 or industrial space you see that they always come out hierbitas between the railway tracks 654 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.639 or between an example is the fighline. Not being a train track was no 655 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.320 longer in use was rehabilitated and a park with its own identity was created for 656 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.559 a Manhattan site that is not of any entity. If you do that, 657 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:30.000 imagine the country' s industrial corridors, whether it' s railways, factories, 658 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:37.639 mining, anyone, not only do you get dressed, you enable these 659 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.199 spaces and turn them into biological corridors so that the fauna, the birds of 660 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.679 the cities live there and low temperature. This effect is that of heat to 661 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.320 the people who work in that factory. For example, we also have a 662 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.440 super interesting brand that is also our ally, ELBEC. It was done in 663 00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:00.320 the show room Deveis in Vallejo, a garden without lawn wow and you don 664 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.519 ' t know how the temperature feels there in that place and it' s 665 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:12.880 a middle of Bayle imagine that all companies in Mexico adopt green microspaces. That 666 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.239 ' s a project I' d love. That' s obviously very long 667 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.800 - term and we' d have to start company by company, but we 668 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.239 could count if all companies did. I' m crazy, because I don 669 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:28.599 ' t know why the industrial casco landscape I like is like a strange beauty. 670 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:34.360 I' m attracted to the abandoned and everything that grows. There come 671 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.519 birds to live in and suddenly you put them in this space that we did 672 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.920 in Guadalajara we have an increase of diversity of six hundred percent guau clearly because 673 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.519 there was nothing. Yes, there were three little pastries that are there suffering 674 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:51.320 for survival, and suddenly we arrived and entered more than seventy different species. 675 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.840 There are seventy- four thousand individual plants. It seems to me that twenty 676 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.079 so many trees. Imagine if there' s not a six hundred percent time 677 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.159 of college. The temperature of the site dropped between three and five degrees. 678 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.440 Crazy isn' t a big deal if we measure the carbon footprint and how 679 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:12.880 much we' re converting. No more, we don' t have the 680 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.960 data. We' re still going to do it in a study with Shatte 681 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.679 University, which is already on its way very well. That' s my 682 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:23.679 Crown Jewel Wow project, that all Mexico adopts. It is well cresto and 683 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.559 right now it is going to look bastante, yes, sebastian, but it 684 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:34.440 goes there also to see father more, yes, a park not all the 685 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.199 more, I mean, as it gives the desire to intervene the whole city, 686 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:43.840 That is the dream to intervene on an urban scale, for me that 687 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.519 would be incredible. But right now, I have a lot of concern about 688 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:52.559 water issues, because that is, per Ahorita is like restoration, that is 689 00:46:52.599 --> 00:47:00.000 to say, harvesting and restoration of aquifers and water harvesting with gardens, with 690 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.760 SNS gardens. Rain with all that process, Ahorita has me as very interested, 691 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.199 very interested, and I think that would be an incredible project. I 692 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.239 mean, it varies from residential to this organ scale, obviously, urban scale. 693 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.639 It would be surprising and especially seeing in Mexico City, with all these 694 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.519 ravines that we have been losing and losing all the water, like working to 695 00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.639 restore the ravines. For me it would be as if, a dream not 696 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.800 to mean, to be able to see the process of saying, of recognizing 697 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.960 the rivers and it is also a city of sponge, the city of Sponge 698 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.320 of Concha. I bring her to Mexico City and recognize this that the river 699 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.960 comes, that is, the water comes from above the mountains and goes down 700 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.840 and we have gone on your side and lost her and give her that as 701 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.599 well, as that space that deserves the water, and recognize it. Yes, 702 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.159 of course you can imagine if we made Mexico City, in the sponge 703 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.320 city, instead of making the camels high and that water, when it rains 704 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:58.039 will go to the brain to make them under the level of the street and 705 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.440 that camels and all areas, but there were the ability to catch the water 706 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:05.320 from the street, as they are doing in Sheffield, they are doing it 707 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.079 they can get to see soon gray to rain A Sheffilds and, well, 708 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.159 cities put themselves, all sponge cities in that yes, to transform the city 709 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.360 of Mexico into the city sponges, yes. It would not be seeing exactly 710 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:20.760 how right now, that is, the idea of re- creating the exact 711 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.760 source, because they recharge the use of water and also how this awareness of 712 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:25.800 seeing the water that is going to bring them. We' ve already had 713 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.519 a chef with tubed noises and be able to see her, that is to 714 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.039 say, see again to know that there' s water there, so we 715 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:35.239 live together so here we don' t bemary. They are easy because to 716 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:40.199 say no yes, to be like being able to recognize this city of so 717 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.519 incredible and what is very beautiful I say no, no, no te, 718 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:45.920 yes, it would be if a project has incredible. There' s a 719 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.760 big project. I think that we are in a moment to do that And 720 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.360 just for that we are the landscape architects society, not and nothing more fernanda 721 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.920 reonda, but as a society pesista architects, so that those who hear us 722 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.280 that not all are landscapers, maybe I say of vir radio you have a 723 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.960 very wide audience. Not very broad. Yes, it is that they understand 724 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.199 that we are in a wave like landscape surfing, that we have to climb 725 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:15.119 the crest right now in order to avoid us as far as we can and 726 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.920 to take advantage of it and incorporate in their speaking of all the people who 727 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.960 hear you that not all are landscapers, that they see that at best really 728 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:27.840 in spaces that they had not considered in the residual space, the interstice. 729 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.480 This is what is called these spaces that are between the city and one area 730 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.320 of the city and others, that is, the interstitial landscape. You can 731 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:39.920 do something, you can do something complete. Wow go back to basics and 732 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.280 you' re also involved in society. She' s also involved. Sebastian 733 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:53.719 ' s gone. This is in the locality of commercials, important commercials, 734 00:49:53.840 --> 00:50:00.880 not as many i of the most important vowels. Date basically dialog with marks. 735 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.119 Everyone who listens to us, if I say they know who they can 736 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.079 talk to Sebastian with me. But we' re just looking at all that, 737 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.800 not brands and alliances. We also see not only have brand allies, 738 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.840 but we also have alliances that I would love to communicate with universities that not 739 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:27.199 necessarily all alliances are of economic type of exchanges. Not that it gives us 740 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.880 a university in exchange for that we, for example, made a spectacular alliance 741 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.960 with the UABC of Mexicali, Autonomous University of Baja California, the Campus of 742 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.480 Mexicali, what we did with the landscape congress there, in October, imagine, 743 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:46.079 they gave us the headquarters in exchange for society planting a seed to say 744 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.960 here there is landscape, although it seems that in Mexicalino there are and there 745 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.519 are a lot of projects. There' s even one who' s Liberian, 746 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.119 Mars Shetnan It' s about a river in tubed in Mexico called Rio 747 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.920 Nuevo. So they' re doing a project there for water and mexical is 748 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:06.559 the first city that had a landscape teacher. The University of the wabes then, 749 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.039 but like this we have alliances with the UAM, with the Veracruz Corps, 750 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.360 the Faculty of Architecture, UNAM. That' s nice. There are 751 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:19.119 many things, no, nothing else are commercial alliances. But from all then 752 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.639 between associations, right now the alliance between foundation planting with cause that is that 753 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.840 of Fixed and the landscape art society. We will engage in a dialogue between 754 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.559 landscapers and will be guided by you Creek, which is the c of the 755 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.760 architectural society. He' s having a good time. Let' s go 756 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.880 alliances. With all that joke is that the landscape, that the architecture of 757 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:45.320 the landscape, reaches more people and that in Mexico we understand that it is 758 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.039 no longer a residual space of the architecture, not in the country' s 759 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.960 algreto, because many see as a luxury not good nothing more believe than to 760 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.239 put a green area. The landscape is already architu, so what they do 761 00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.679 in developing an opposite project. That' s not landscape architecture. That and 762 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.599 not all green areas, that is, landscape architecture also involves designing grey and 763 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:12.360 blue areas, believe, water and walkers. No, and now that' 764 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.960 s not just a luxury product, it' s not terrorizing it and reaching 765 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.119 an audience to understand clearly is the landscape, that is, the right actions 766 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.800 and that everyone can enjoy clear because green areas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 767 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:29.159 it' s not a necessity. A green area has the ability to 768 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:34.920 reduce inequality barriers in a city. No doubt there are statistics that talk about 769 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.960 that and it is known that if you see the Green Area in Mexico City, 770 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.800 well, I don' t remember how much it is per person. 771 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.320 I think seven in meters. I don' t remember. I just gave 772 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.079 the lecture. I forgot, but it' s so easy to consult on 773 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:52.480 the Internet. But it is very uneven Cuajimalpa has thirteen square meters per person. 774 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.920 The green area, which is wonderful, you are not lucky enough to 775 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.320 live in Cuajimapa or in Miguel Hidalgo, why, because you have chapultepr If 776 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:04.199 you see Miguel Hidalgo you are less than fifteen minutes walking or a complete car. 777 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.960 I don' t know about Chapoltete, but if you don' t 778 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.639 have a thousand missing, I don' t think they' ll get two 779 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.000 seriously, so imagine the inequality barrier between a person who' s lucky enough 780 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:16.880 to have more to live in Joajerí Mal Pao, in Miguel Hidalgo against a 781 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.639 thousand Missing. Then you have to have a much smarter design in the cities. 782 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:23.599 And if we can' t, not everyone can have a green area 783 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.679 in their house. But there are statistics that say that I think they should 784 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.599 be. The best thing is that they' re less than 15 minutes from 785 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:37.239 winning green, on foot to see if we can make it. Wow, 786 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.760 it' s a slam, yes, a slam and above all in this 787 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:46.039 city that lacks much awareness of imagine if it would not change the perception of 788 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:52.320 security of a site in a thousand lack or of insecurity and security not, 789 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:57.000 but also, of being, therefore, an equitable and healthy city for all. 790 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.639 Bad luck you had to be born there or live there and not any 791 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.719 malpa no, then why not make a city more equitable. Sure, yeah, 792 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.199 yeah, yeah, no, because on average we' re not that 793 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.960 bad. It means that those who live on my schedule have enough green area 794 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.679 for them. No, sure wow. So, they are important statistics, 795 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:21.360 say, this is it and you can consult the page of the cdema or 796 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:22.920 of the environment. You have to keep an eye on him, because, 797 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:23.960 yes, it' s important. It' s clear, yeah, wow. 798 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.960 She' s amazing. But what happens when a how is your design 799 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.719 process, when a project arrives here, how you are developing it in your 800 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.920 office until they get to deliver what that process looks like is always done already 801 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.599 we know not site analysis is the typical thing that would answer you a landscape 802 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.519 teacher of the Nahuat. I don' t understand you in class. No 803 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.159 or what there is not that cyto analysis, create a concept and then do 804 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:54.719 an exercise of seeing which plants are on the site. There are no things 805 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.199 I like to tell my students, and the first one is I almost always 806 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.760 take a place and automatically do a vegetable palette abstraction and I said here you 807 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.800 get a point. You know what plant they' re going to plant if 808 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.320 they don' t even think beyond what else I' m going to do. 809 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.519 The first thing I do is think about plants, which is not necessarily 810 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.400 the best idea to have a fatal palette already is to visit one, because 811 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.480 if you already have all the answers, not a little does mean that you 812 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:28.679 are missing to do a deeper analysis itself, well, but I think we 813 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.960 already give you many more years. But if you have a lot of experience 814 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:36.159 and that' s part of what I' ve learned, that is, 815 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:42.039 you get to do and you already have an idea and then we analyze the 816 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:44.400 site and we' re applying the changes that if it' s happening, 817 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:44.920 that is, many times we say it doesn' t apply. We got 818 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.599 it and it' s why I don' t change the same. There 819 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.039 ' s too much wind here for this plant. Yes or no. I 820 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.159 know. It' s like you guys just don' t get it at 821 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.840 the time. I mean, I don' t know, for example, 822 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.679 yes, and then there are times that I say via. You always have 823 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:02.400 to hook up the client suddenly has needs that he didn' t know anyway 824 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.639 and then tells you no. I just think it' s going to be 825 00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.519 a little bit more space here to spread out with the kids or whatever, 826 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.360 and then there, but who' s private is a little bit better. 827 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.360 No, no, it' s not easier. Each project is different. 828 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.480 When you' re working in a public area or in a city or something, 829 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.840 as I tell you, you have to really analyze the economic, political 830 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.079 and social context, because what happens. You know he' s working on 831 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.199 public plow and you know that, maybe there' s going to be a 832 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:30.679 change of government, they' re not going to follow up on maintenance. 833 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.800 Either yes, or who' s there, who' s the decision maker, 834 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.280 who' s the clientele, it' s not the same as a 835 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.960 decision maker, or the client is probably the city. But the user is 836 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:45.400 the citizen, not the government of the cities, of the client, that 837 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:51.840 is, you have to analyze that in terms of context. There is the 838 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.880 economic and political context. A little and what' s going on. There 839 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.559 ' s a crisis, right now, it' s a pandemic right now. 840 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:59.000 People are wasting us. Yeah, I mean, there' s a 841 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.519 recession or there' s no recession. Large- scale projects are taking place 842 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:06.159 and the social issue is very important. Now that we did this project for 843 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:13.719 these workers of the transportation company in Guadalajara, we did a very simple analysis. 844 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.079 We didn' t hire sociologists or anything either, because we didn' 845 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.079 t even have the budget. We were thinking about who' s going to 846 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.639 be the user. We are railway workers and they work and they are generations 847 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:29.760 of people who travel by rail and collect money across the country and had their 848 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:35.079 collection of plants. Then you must always take into account the user and what 849 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:40.039 impact you will have on a social level with a landscape intervention. What we 850 00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:45.119 did, we connected their plants to the design and gave them a space so 851 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:50.559 that they would have a place to collect their plants and, besides, teach 852 00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:52.679 them that the plants of the site that nothing else. You should always want 853 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.920 the plant from the very distant sites, but work with the plants of the 854 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.519 site and it does work. Doing that kind of analysis, that is, 855 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.159 already after asking people, that is, it' s very important to ask 856 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:08.880 people who the user is. And since we have that, we did several 857 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.840 interviews there on the very interesting site and then we asked them how much they 858 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.079 thought. And as you say, I think in landscape I say that in 859 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.559 all the discussions, in architecture, in interiors everything has to involve the customer, 860 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.320 the user and everyone so that it presents part of the garden is to 861 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.320 be alive, yes, then you have to involve them a lot for when 862 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.320 you leave that in the house you have already made the decisions of how they 863 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.400 want the distribution or the furniture type other colors not, but here the garden 864 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.239 will continue to evolve. You have to involve the customer a lot in the 865 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.760 process and the user to know what' s going to happen. Then no, 866 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.039 and how you can enjoy that garden, because it just so suddenly dries 867 00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:51.400 up, but it' s part of the cycle and you subsist. There 868 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.920 you go. One thing we have learned is to anticipate the anguish of the 869 00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:02.480 exact celestial client, because no shock is difficult, like they expect the plant 870 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.199 to be green all year long and there are times that it is. It 871 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.280 ' s a garden consection. Many times it is a green area, eternally 872 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:15.280 green. And we are also promoting plants that fulfill the cycles of the year 873 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.719 and will be a dead divine. Some flowers are also annual and disappear completely, 874 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.880 as the one that throws the exact seed and remakes good. So you 875 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:30.159 have to, like, this conversation in Mexico too, we have eternal spring 876 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.320 syndrome. Yeah, yeah, they eat exactly Cuernavaca. Then we want you 877 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:36.159 to keep low and it can' t be cor a cow but that does. 878 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:40.079 Our people go to Japan and don' t mind seeing all the hairy 879 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.079 trees in winter. They don' t care there. But in Mexico, 880 00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.480 yes, and we have to change this, because in Mexico the funny thing 881 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:50.800 is that in Mexico we do not perceive it as cold and hot seasons. 882 00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.960 Rather it is perceived in the landscape as dry and green ah yes and learn 883 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:59.920 to love also our dry season. It has its beauty totally, it has 884 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.360 its relo and it is very fun to try to change this customers. But 885 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.599 the design process which is very important in pacing you have to understand that you 886 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.039 do not end with the final delivery. And I said it the other day 887 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.400 at a conference in Bageo Polis, in my bagio I wanted to do a 888 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:17.400 week. I told them the landscape is an act of faith, because it 889 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.159 is an act of faith, because although we know what is going to happen 890 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.719 and we can predict what is going to happen, it always surprises us with 891 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.840 something. There' s never a garden for me. I' ve been 892 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.039 at this for 20 years and we' re still here today. We were 893 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:35.039 the restean and I saw the little plants in chinapa as a baby, like 894 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:40.239 little children, like in the candy store we knew we carried the seeds, 895 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:46.559 we took the envelope, you gave how much it will grow, that is, 896 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.400 it tells you and I say it is an act of faith, because 897 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:51.800 we are always surprised by some, that is, what it doesn' t 898 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.719 mean. It' s like and projects have unexpected effects, sometimes desired, 899 01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:59.719 sometimes unwanted. But the most important thing to understand in the design process is 900 01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:07.400 that it ends with us entering the project and you have to explain to the 901 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.599 client always anticipate a little bit his anxieties that the trees are without not every 902 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:14.239 yes already died us and died. It' s winter exactly it' s 903 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:15.199 winter and even though you don' t notice it because we don' t 904 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:16.760 wear a scarf and there' s no snow. It is not seen the 905 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.960 same in winter in Mexico as in Canada. I like him very clearly. 906 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.199 In the mild winter and we have the best weather in the world. And 907 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.679 I love him not all lotus. We all complain here, but we know 908 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:29.360 we' re not really going to complain. We' re not going to 909 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.719 Monterrey, for example, so it' s extreme to that we' re 910 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.880 complaining. I arrived jja momentizes the heat, not when I said well it 911 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.599 ' s not hot here. Finally, we just complain because that' s 912 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:43.480 how we are, but we actually have a wonderful climate and then understand that 913 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.000 the customer has to understand what' s going to happen. Not seeing the 914 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:51.880 process, the process that is not immediate like the architecture, as Sebastian said, 915 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.000 but that takes a process and that there will be green seasons and there 916 01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:01.400 are yellow seasons, coffee there is exactly there we go. That' s 917 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.880 the process we' re going through. All right, there' s a 918 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:08.960 great father who are your architects, landscapers, favourites who right now are as 919 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.840 in your sights, because I feel like you' re always at the dawn 920 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.280 of what' s going on like this. Well, let' s see, 921 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.239 tell us your favorite, well, what a cliché it is. Well, 922 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.800 I' m very focused on planting design. I' m very inspired. 923 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.599 Thank you for this which is called plantation design which are not necessarily landscape 924 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.320 architects, because I don' t know what this is about. So I 925 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.239 always my first influence and the one we all knew, and the first one 926 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:38.880 I wanted to be not Fernanda Riona wants to become was peto of no Wow 927 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:45.199 Vit Dolph has a style of design tending to the modernist, because he is 928 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.960 Dutch and modernist. I mean, he designs like with a lot of blocks 929 01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.719 and straight shapes. Suddenly it' s very spectacular. However, life has 930 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:58.239 led me to follow Ih Nd Donnet' s work in Sheffield and I think 931 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:05.400 his work is very different. They tend more to make one- on- 932 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.840 one plant communities against very well- defined blocks of certain plants. I love 933 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:14.480 Idol and I' m a fan of his plantation work. He' s 934 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.840 not a landscape architect. He is dedicated exclusively to designing the plantations they do 935 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.079 in landscape projects that design pacifist architects. He' s the first and the 936 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:29.400 two. Jean Jou' s work in China is unprecedented. It could not 937 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:35.440 be realized in a fully democratic country, because the political system of China, 938 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:42.679 which is totalitarian or authoritarian, with this capitalist economy, that even if they 939 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.239 say they are not capitalists, this dumbbell, makes cities that he designs are 940 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.880 created. He has a book called Letters to the leaders of the Monsk nation, 941 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.519 where he explains how he convinces the governors of provinces and that to make 942 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:59.239 the cities sponge that those of. But he intervenes cities at city level restore 943 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.840 clarity at city level and blah. They' re my two, I love 944 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:08.000 working with Jan Ju because it' s on a much larger scale and apart 945 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.000 it' s different, not that of no because it' s bigger. 946 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:13.400 No, they' re my two favorites, with Jan Ju and nightl Donnet 947 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.119 the Tys, because I' m going to repeat it. But you ns, 948 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.880 Nigel, I don' t say Sebastian, I think you do, 949 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:23.840 your mirror, yes, it doesn' t belong to the arche, and 950 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.400 all the devil in him sent him. It hits you, hits you, 951 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.719 and so it' s like we' re all with piet Dolf, like 952 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.199 it was like the first box to scale. No yes, it' s 953 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:40.400 more spectacular and it was the one who participated in the Highlight at Millennium Park 954 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:45.800 in Chicago, and we are these big or these tanks projects as very media. 955 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.239 Also not as if it was the one who exposed the landscape very much, 956 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:56.199 that new landscape then was always the first that opens you, as well 957 01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:00.639 as that the desire to understand this and then you are already more and as 958 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.280 with a Latin American scale, I think it would be worth it to tell 959 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:08.280 your audience about the work of our friends and colleagues of suffering. Yes, 960 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:14.559 that are the Chileans, the Argentines, our friends who also came to Mexico, 961 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.199 already gave lectures, the work of Cristóbal, the Getame Macarena calbó in 962 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:23.800 Chile made some. You guys are literally totally naturalistic hairs, with gravel, 963 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:28.639 with your technical dealings. They don' t use land so they don' 964 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.360 t get vitacura herbs in the province, because it' s you remember as 965 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.199 a municipality. Or what' s his name, what' s his name 966 01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:39.360 in Santiago de Chile. The work of Maca and Cristóbals print before fronts of 967 01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:45.679 Jimena Nasal, also at home. She is lived in Mexico and the queen 968 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.559 of the agaves in Chile, because she took to Chile and also, the 969 01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.400 queen of the gramineas. The grasses are the pastures. Pasture was not used 970 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:56.239 in landscape before. Carl Forester started using them in the beginning, well the 971 01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:01.599 20th century, the late 19th was used for boats. It was a forage 972 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:06.559 and she is the queen of grasses in Chile. She' s about 70 973 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:10.360 years old, Jimena, and she' s been working on it for many 974 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.760 years. Who more the work of Mariana Siqueira in Brazil, Julio pastore Fono 975 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:23.039 geniusist truth for the awards. Abe who else all these Latin Americans are worth 976 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:28.039 it for your entire audience to follow. I love to talk to you about 977 01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.840 other people, so nothing else. I like that they know the work of 978 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.400 all people and that, besides they are our friends and colleagues. So, 979 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:38.280 I was traveling to Mexico, traveling with maca to do I amaa met her 980 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:43.000 on a trip eighteen months ago to Macarena Calbo follow the m instagram is Macarena 981 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.280 no longer think they say. Now he tells me no landscaping, ecosist cristóbal, 982 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.679 but Macarana Calvo is Macaranata a landscaper or something. Yeah, they work 983 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.920 together, not in every project, they don' t have a patamonica. 984 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.719 There it is. But Macas was in charge of Chile' s screenplay in 985 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.840 Venice' s life last year. Okay, well, a beauty. They 986 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:10.079 were the spheres of clear acrylic Seed yes, yes. McCay Suizya, yes, 987 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.920 yes, to be located. I already met her last year on a 988 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.320 trip here I know Chile and the enamoria of the country and well we became 989 01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:23.000 instant friends because we watched taking pictures of seedlings. We went last year also 990 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:30.280 with another extraordinary landscaper to this valeriaer Mira is Argentina, to the Tennis, 991 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.039 to the chess show and to give a lecture to the University of Sheffield. 992 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:38.039 Am has robbed you is also spectacular. He' s already in Uruguay. 993 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:44.559 Yes, see all these works of Latin American landscapers. Or that the Latin 994 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.840 American landscape is very spectacles. Yes, and they are. I think they 995 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:53.199 ' re advanced mccarem mccalbou mckademan. I don' t see her, she 996 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:54.679 doesn' t recognize her. No. That which is not, no, 997 01:07:55.440 --> 01:08:00.840 not what you say yes, but the landscape sand that has virtue we also 998 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.360 have the virtue of labor, that is, of having I say is gigantic. 999 01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.880 Not exactly Latin America. We have very large, we have deserted mountain, 1000 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.680 two tropical forests. So it' s very rich, it' s 1001 01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:21.399 very amazing if they' re countries that have the, that is, the 1002 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.520 advantage of having an incredible huge biodiversity. Europe doesn' t have it, 1003 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:29.039 they don' t have it. In Europe it was gradually imported. It 1004 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:30.560 ' s been imported by Naya. All the work they do in Shefied is 1005 01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.560 just put plants native to other countries to replenish the biodiversity that has ended there 1006 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:40.319 and here we have her, the carena cal paisan that is expected to salular 1007 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:44.640 ok. I think it' s very enriching. The Latin American pheasage. 1008 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.119 Yes, it is. If any. So there is a lot to learn 1009 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:53.359 from the Latin, that is, a lot and now the landscape biennial. 1010 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:57.039 It' s just that, to highlight the region well, that' s 1011 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:00.680 very lame, cantable, a great one for society. Really the one I 1012 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.159 thought was amazing. Really listen to that vacan and you will stay forever in 1013 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:12.840 landscaping, for I hope yes, I hope already yes, yes, I 1014 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.319 hope not. Yes, the truth has been something incredible and I have it 1015 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.560 here. No, I don' t say life then you went different ways, 1016 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:25.319 but here I come. So, here I am and the truth is 1017 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:28.319 yes, it' s amazing and I' m happy, but I saw 1018 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:31.520 his dicks glowing. Yeah, tomorrow with the money for me like, yeah, 1019 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:36.039 I mean, I' m working with living things again. No, 1020 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:41.880 as it is spectacular and obviously also the magic to deliver a garden and let 1021 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.840 a client come out and see it and then mark you later tell you already 1022 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.640 changed everything what happened. It' s amazing this is when they' re 1023 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:53.359 enjoying it. It' s that surprise you' re giving and you' 1024 01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.520 re saying good that father can share. We' ve got a nice little 1025 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:59.399 chamba. Yes, I' m not saying that everything is as they are, 1026 01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.079 as they are not, but it' s like very noble, because 1027 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.000 it' s like a much happier action, that is, from the most 1028 01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:09.119 basic point of view, interaction with nature. Yeah, I heard happy straight. 1029 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:11.760 Then it' s good, but we' re neither drivers nor lawyers, 1030 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.880 because we' re mostly in the majority and the truth is our problems 1031 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:17.680 are smiling happy. We' re in a world of both. We have 1032 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.479 problems, but we have happy problems. They' re a good tree, 1033 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.119 not the truth. It' s nice, it' s a jacket. 1034 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.840 She' s amazing. It' s nice that House has somehow joined them 1035 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.079 together, because I was going to disign furnaces and I saw Sebastian' s 1036 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.920 work and now it' s totally different. I mean, they' re 1037 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:42.119 different together. Yeah, pretty scary. Yeah,' cause we had a 1038 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.119 lot of fun. Hey, what a father I like and how nice to 1039 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.439 have you both here in two by one. Unexpectedly, amazingly and I' 1040 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.920 d like to finish this great interview having you guys here for real. Thank 1041 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.680 you so much for being with us. What would you say to the new 1042 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:01.000 generations of landscape architects that, just like you, you are about or are 1043 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.960 already taking the step of doing the same? What would they say to them, 1044 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:10.079 for I would tell them to do what, that is, where their 1045 01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.960 heart beats, that is what I have done to my life. Or it 1046 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.920 ' s the day I entered my kind of landscape that addressed you with Miguel, 1047 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.479 I said this, this is what I want to do all my life 1048 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.880 here I' m not the one who dares, I mean take risks, 1049 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.600 uh, totally. The fact that you don' t take risks doesn' 1050 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.239 t win and you do have to do a little bit of risk affection while 1051 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:31.520 you' re ahead, obviously two calculated and so on. But that' 1052 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.319 s what I' d tell my students. I always tell them and everything 1053 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:39.800 from a little plant mix that might not be the case to try. Sometimes 1054 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.399 they do work. That' s why I' m telling you it' 1055 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.000 s an act of faith. Sometimes they surprise gardens and companies too, because 1056 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.279 the work teams you would tell them. I think yes, I mean, 1057 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:55.239 you have to let them go, yes as hell, you dared to change 1058 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:59.159 really yes how to go on. You intuited your heart, not like seeing 1059 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:04.359 what and how to follow and how to exploit your idea to the fullest, 1060 01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.760 because reality already lands you. Then let me tell you exactly in the ideas 1061 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:14.159 and exploit it to the fullest. I mean, your creativity, yes, 1062 01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:16.239 and reality is already going to terrify you. That' s the wine. 1063 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.199 If your silver mix doesn' t work, it won' t happen all 1064 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:23.520 by itself, but you already did, no, then you dare break those 1065 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:28.720 rules a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we' 1066 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:32.119 d say good, guys. Thank you, because the truth is, thank 1067 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:39.119 you so much for your time, for having us so much show ah thank 1068 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.359 you so much when you want to quote the field labor and that I don 1069 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:42.600 ' t know the last time you' re here in dirrace. Sure, 1070 01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:45.479 please, to keep telling us, to learn you because yes, there is 1071 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.920 a lot to learn landscape and also to know what you are in right now, 1072 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.600 no yes, yes, really. Thank you very much. We' 1073 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.800 ll be in Fixed the week we do, of course. I' m 1074 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.239 there, of course, and there we' ll be a lot higher than 1075 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.640 the probe. Yes, of course of the sessions. S u good berto. 1076 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.239 Let' s try exactly, not if we, because we did it 1077 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:09.800 with you. The truth is that we love what landscape society does. I 1078 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:13.119 think we' ve been supporting them for several years now. So, this 1079 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.880 won' t be the last one. The last one. We' ll 1080 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.319 keep working with you now. Thank you very much, thanks to the audience 1081 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:24.560 and remember that we are found on all music streams, Spotify, Amazon, 1082 01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:28.079 Deezer, Google Podcast. Everything that ends in podcast there can' t be 1083 01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:30.359 found. And please visit Capo Laboro' s show, which is on St 1084 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.119 Louis Boto' s Street, one hundred and thirteen, in the Rome Colony. 1085 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:36.239 Thank you very much, thank you, Fernanda, thank you Sebastian. 1086 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.560 See you at the next bye bye. Thank you.