1 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:29,440 Hello, everybody, welcome to that in the matter. This is Hyperblast. 2 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,200 Where have we got news for you pertaining to other goings on in rock and 3 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,600 metal this week? I'm perish Elliot Paisley is joining me today to take on 4 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,520 this this very important business. Hello there, how are we? Yes? 5 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:42,079 Just very well? Thank you? Are you? Yeah? I'm good. 6 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:46,439 I'm waiting for Eurovision to truly descend on my city. It's weird. I've 7 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:48,679 been kind of in and out when all these parties and parais and shit have 8 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:53,640 been going on. But something's going on by completely warped luck. I ended 9 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,479 up on London, in London, sorry, on the day of the coronation 10 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,840 this past week, a few minutes walk from bucking A Palace, in fact, 11 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,159 so I got caught in all the wandering coppers and flag wearing tourists carrying 12 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,400 camping gear and all this kind of stuff. I was there for Black Metal 13 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:14,159 Baby specifically, I was there for the final UK show of Dark Fortress, 14 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:18,120 who are on their farewell tour right now. And I'm not going to talk 15 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:19,599 I guess too heavily about the details of the show itself, because I know 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,959 most people listening to this right now probably don't really care about Dark Fortress and 17 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,319 don't know that much about them. You have you ever explored them much? 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,079 H No, I always got the confused with Dark Funeral. Yeah, I 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,599 think I know about them, so yeah, I've heard they're really good. 20 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,560 So yeah, splitting up is kind of a shame. I'm just gonna say 21 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,959 I think people should change that because I mean, even if it's too late 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,000 to see them now. I mean it was in the Bostom Music Room in 23 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,680 London. It wasn't sold out, It was probably two hundred just under people 24 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:49,760 there. And I know black metal as a niche genre and they probably won't 25 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:52,799 be bothered by that either because they've always been a mean more in Germany band 26 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:56,799 anyway. But Dark Fortress, I feel, should absolutely be one of the 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,040 bands you put in front of someone who's not that familiar with black metal to 28 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,599 make it feel accessible for them. Some people might remember that I had their 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,480 latest twenty twenty album in my top ten that year. This was their first 30 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:08,520 and only tour for it, because obviously it came out in the middle of 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,400 the pandemic. They're a phenomenal band. They have these amazing, like straight 32 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:19,439 up banger metal tunes in the setlist like Bahamet where if you like black metal 33 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:22,680 when it's kind of groovy and got's hits and it's recognizable as like, you 34 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,199 know, just a absolute pump your fist, hell yeah metal tune, they 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,719 should be the next stop for you after your Behemoths and your dimmy borg Is. 36 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,120 But they've kind of done all sorts as well, where like they dipped 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,479 back into their very early records, which are easily the equal of the classic 38 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:39,919 records from you know, Sacramentum and Dawn and those kind of bands, if 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,759 you like that melodic style. On their longest kind of later records, they've 40 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,439 kind of become like goth Satanic Opeth and all these people who are upset that 41 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:53,280 Opeth aren't heavy anymore. You could have been here. All the people who 42 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:57,240 you know are keeping in the kind of comparatively larger spaces for this kind of 43 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:01,199 music. Bands like Dark Funeral or Belfagre or Gorgaretha whoever, who are like 44 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,759 still good bands, but have been nowhere near as creatively dynamic and interesting over 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 the years as Dark Fortress have. I mean, even a dickhead like fucking 46 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:14,840 Tarka could probably play The Underworld or the Dome right. I don't quite know 47 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,639 why Dark Fortress have been looked over for so long. They're in this strange 48 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,680 position where they've been too obscure for the mainstream, and I've never liked properly 49 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 broken out like a Behemoth or Awattan or a Demi Borgia whatever. But then 50 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,599 they're they're two kind of mainstream and kind of cleanly produced and put together for 51 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,199 people who really like their kind of necro underground black metal. They've always fallen 52 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:37,159 into that kind of gap, and they're Hanna's grossman drumming for them on this 53 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:38,120 pick of the toy. If you know anything about technical death metal, you 54 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,159 will know as like the drummer. And I don't go like a super near 55 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:45,560 the front at shows that much anymore, but I parked up a spot just 56 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:50,439 a couple of rows, right in front of v Santura, who's the lead 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,639 guitarist and Tripto Kong as well. Dark Fortress is his band, and he 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,599 pretty much liked my favorite lead guitarists. Like that question. We have the 59 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,759 other week where we had moments of like being caught up in watching very specific 60 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,520 intrumental players, like this was one of them where again I was right in 61 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,159 front of him, and the soloing was just so brilliant, and then you 62 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:09,240 get this like insane tapping riff at the start of Alem, which is one 63 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,599 of the most genuinely like immediately identified, identifiable guitar parts in extreme metal. 64 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:15,920 I'm going to say, ever, just for the people who've heard it, 65 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:19,279 and I don't think there's any real I guess regret about this. Farewell for 66 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:23,079 them. They should be really happy about what they've achieved, like genuinely no 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,600 duds in the catalog, like there's nothing less than great over a period of 68 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,800 twenty plus years. And they sold out with the torshirt by the time the 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Second Bound had come on, so clearly people were coming for it. But 70 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:33,680 we're not going to hear anything from them again. So here is just, 71 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,160 you know, a moment of appreciation for one of the most underrated black metal 72 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,639 bounds of all time, and for anyone dipping their toes into black metal for 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,879 some reason, their name hasn't been put in front of you enough, and 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,160 there is still time to go and listen to that great dark Fortress music News 75 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:51,000 is going to start. I guess I'm a similar route of someone who is 76 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:58,279 calling it quits and can look back on I think fairly fondly. Some forty 77 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,199 one have announced that they are going to be disbanding. They're going to be 78 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,519 throwing in the towel, not immediately. They have a new record coming. 79 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,639 I believe that's a double album. That's the one they've spoken about there. 80 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,319 So there's gonna be a lot of news on forty one music on the horizon, 81 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,720 but they're gonna be putting on this record. Then they're going to be 82 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,079 embarking on the world tour for that, and at the end of that, 83 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:19,480 Some forty one is going to be no more. And I guess, like 84 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,240 I've always liked Some forty one. I'm not a gargantuan fan, They're not 85 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,759 a super important band to me, but when it comes to pop punk, 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,600 I've always viewed them as, you know, a very one of the really 87 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:34,120 good bands in that world. And I guess with them calling it quits like 88 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,480 this, it kind of put in perspective to me Some forty one have never 89 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:44,160 been embarrassing, right, Like, They've gone through times where I've been not 90 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,319 all that infused by them, Like I guess, sort of like you know, 91 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,959 they kind of early to mid twenty tens, I think is when they're 92 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:53,319 sort of their most unremarkable. But think of all the bands in their lane 93 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,800 who at some point or another, maybe they still are like that to the 94 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,639 day, maybe they had a wobble and then sort of recovered, but have 95 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:03,240 done something properly terrible where you look at them and be like, you are 96 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,519 you look so washed up right now, you look like you have made such 97 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:13,360 a terrible decision some forty one. Never ever, I think they've been put 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,680 in that position, and I think that is quite a quite a thing to 99 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,600 recognize. I think at this point, Yeah, I think like they're a 100 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,040 unique case for me because they're a really popular band who have sold millions of 101 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:26,480 records. I don't love them, but I still somehow kind of think they're 102 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,000 underrated because they've done really well commercially. But I don't think they get the 103 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,319 respect they deserve for kind of how a grain against the grain they were at 104 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:35,360 least when they came out and then again later And like you say, if 105 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,040 you think about the bands that were bigger than them, like Green Day the 106 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:45,079 Offspring, there's been some disastrous moments decades. Yeah, and the bands that 107 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,600 are kind of more popular than are more poppy than you think, like No 108 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,360 Effects, Rancid. They've even had their share of kind of less than ideal 109 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:56,879 moments, and Some forty one managed to do that, managed to steer that 110 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:01,600 course with like hair metal riffs playing pop punk. It's kind of it's kind 111 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,680 of miraculous they got this far. Yeah, it's like Fat Lip. It's 112 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,560 an incredible too, right, Like it's it's probably the best on forty one 113 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,079 song. Right. I'm not saying anything outlandish here, but I feel like 114 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,000 the band who made Fat Lips should have done something embarrassing at some point, 115 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:19,480 like ridiculous suburban white kid skatepark rapping in that song and stuff like that. 116 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,279 It's brilliant in two thousand and one. It's still a great song now, 117 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,079 but the band who made that, surely ten years down the line, should 118 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:31,399 have fucked up somewhere, and they kind of never did. Yeah, it's 119 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:33,600 one of the bands that you'd think if you were in two thousand and one 120 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,240 and you were to make a Nostro Dames prediction of who's going to age badly, 121 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:41,399 Yeah, Some forty one would not be a bad shout with the things 122 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,439 like Fat Lip. But then going on to do Chuck, which is probably 123 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,480 my favorite. I mean, like shredding leads metallic riffs and doing that in 124 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:54,360 a way that's not unconvincing. Yeah, Chuck last year over the summer, 125 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,079 and it was kind of as like sort of this underrated some forty one record 126 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,600 where they went super you know, kind of dark and heavy, and I 127 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,199 mean the fact that this was a pop punk band who were always repping for 128 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,160 metal, and I'm sure for many many people they're kind of, you know, 129 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,680 their gateway into metallica and the likes will be through what Some forty one 130 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,279 we're kind of sneaking into you know, American pie soundtrack like pop punk records. 131 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:18,120 So that's again a really worthy tip of the hat thing. You're right, 132 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,160 when they've kind of fully inhabited stuff like that, they never shied away 133 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,959 from it. They never they never seemed embarrassed by you know, being kind 134 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:30,560 of the Hesher's pop punk band that they've still been playing, you know, 135 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,360 fun live shows that people love. I've never seen Some forty one because I've 136 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,279 never gone out of my way to I suppose, but I might, you 137 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,600 know, maybe this would be the time to do so. But yeah, 138 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:43,279 I think there's a really respectable legacy for Some forty one, which with no 139 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,639 real kind of caveats over even on a personal level, when again, like 140 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,000 kind of the narrative that those guys have gone through in everything, like there's 141 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:56,159 no again, they've made some like unremarkable records at points, but there's no 142 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,559 proper black marks, and for that to still be true over twenty years in 143 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:05,399 I think the fact that they've gone here on their own terms. Obviously it's 144 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,639 very amicable because they're still continue making a record and doing the tour for that 145 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,279 and everything for them, I think signing off on their own terms without it 146 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,519 ever becoming some kind of exasperating shit show or some kind of like horrible shadow 147 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,000 of what it was or whatever again like Dark Fortress. Weirdly, I think 148 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,720 this is a moment where you can go, you know, round of applause 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,919 for a career well done. Some forty one. Yeah, because you know, 150 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,879 they've not been all over the magazine stuff in the last ten years, 151 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:37,600 but almost every time a new pop punk band has emerged in that time and 152 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,320 people have got an excite because it doesn't sound like water Parks. The band 153 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,440 tends to sound like Some forty one, like Yeah, they're clearly like super 154 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,639 influential, and you can hear them as precursors the likes of a Day to 155 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,000 Remember or even something like the Dirty Nil. I think so yeah. I 156 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:56,159 think it'd be nice, yeah, yeah, Like for me, I think 157 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 even A Speaks one's not a massive it'd be nice to see them kind of 158 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,480 get the jew I think, and I think they will. I think they 159 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,440 already have in a sense, even just since this announcement. I agree, 160 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,519 But I think it's a certainly moment to again tip the hat and acknowledge the 161 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,000 fine way that some point would have carried themselves over the years, to be 162 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:16,519 honest and give them their flowers. Yeah. So yeah, it fair play 163 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,159 to some forty one for again a career well done. We've got some new 164 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,120 music to talk about, and the first piece of that comes from Queens of 165 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,879 the Stone Age, who have announced they have got a new album coming out 166 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,679 is called In Times New Roman. It's come out on June the sixteenth. 167 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,840 That's a month away, lovely, lovely kind of late announcement there, that's 168 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,559 a way too long at all. And we've got a new song from that 169 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,759 called Emotion Sickness. There's been rumor mill around Queens's Only for quite a while 170 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,240 now. I think we all knew a record would be coming this year. 171 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,000 I did see there was a bit of a leak, like maybe a week 172 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,279 or two ago. We're kind of know album artwork and stuff like that. 173 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:54,519 That has turned out to be correct. But full confirmation here, Queens of 174 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:56,679 Stents haven't coming in. Like I said, just over a month. Queens 175 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:58,559 Only, for me one of my all time favorite bands, one the most 176 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,639 important to me when I was like twelve, and I still love them and 177 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,039 I still think they are perhaps the most consistently vital band at their level when 178 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,480 it comes to just kind of straight up rock music. Where are you at? 179 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,840 I guess on kind of the later you know, Mark Ronson produced whatever 180 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,840 kind of Queens And material? Like are you still like? Do you have 181 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,960 the kind of anticipation for a Queen's record that I might? I mean, 182 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,679 I love Queens of the Stole Age. I wasn't super world about Villains. 183 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:28,360 I think the first two songs are amazing, but the rest of it I 184 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,759 don't return to all that much. Like I'd say in the reflection, that 185 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:39,519 might be their weakest record, if not Lullabies to paralyze for me. Absolutely, 186 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,200 I adore them all. Like I said, I think they are so 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,559 consistently great. I think if I had to pick one, I might say 188 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 ear of Old Garris and I I really like that one. I really like 189 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:50,480 it as well, and it was it was the most recent one when I 190 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,080 became a big fan as well, So I've always got a sspital for again. 191 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,080 I just like Clockwork is one of my favorites. I thought Villains had 192 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,679 a particularly again inspired kind of quirk to it in their catalog. If they 193 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:05,000 don't all do um, I think it's just being great now Villains. I 194 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:07,440 think like when it's good, it's really good, but I don't go and 195 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,559 I like the idea. I do a lot of them doing a kind of 196 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,080 boogie rock record. I think that really changed them. I haven't spun it 197 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,600 in a few months or like maybe a year ago, but like I rinched 198 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,919 it a lot at the time, and the tour with it with the fucking 199 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,519 sensation or they were so good live around that time. Yeah. No, 200 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,519 I've never seen them on one of my bucket list bands. That's they're still 201 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,399 they see them that. They're properly brilliant, like Arena fucking rock band. 202 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:33,879 Yeah, and I think you know, I'm sure I get into it now. 203 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,279 Maybe they continue to be interesting and continues to be surprising. And as 204 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,360 you say about bands at their level, who are you kind of comparing it 205 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,720 to, You're like the Black Keys bands like that. Yeah, I don't 206 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 know, Like you're never this excited for anything they're doing now. Yeah, 207 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,519 I think for me, like it's like nine inch Nails Out one of the 208 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,279 ones I think about it. Obviously that's more in the kind of experimentally edge 209 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,320 or whatever. But like this single I'm Motion Sickness. Obviously you're comparing this 210 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,039 in some way, I guess to the way you used to do, which 211 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,399 was the lead single from there, their last thing we heard from them, 212 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,840 And that song is like the definition of the word strut, isn't it? 213 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,919 Like that is still to this day, like six years old. It's one 214 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,840 of the songs that if it comes on as you're like fucking leaving your door 215 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,519 or whatever, it's just going to make you feel good about where you are 216 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:20,360 headed for the entire rest of your day. It is going to absolutely put 217 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:26,480 that funk into you. And this song it's quite different and it's not properly 218 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:31,679 like maybe go, oh yeah, I am going to be spinning this absolute 219 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,879 fucking tune like in the same way as that, But there is an interesting 220 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,240 kind of dynamic where it feels very I mean it's very Queen to a start 221 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,440 when nothing sounds like this, even when bads take influenced from it, like 222 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Bits of the Great Pleasures even has kind of stuff that sounds a bit like 223 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,039 kind of some of these riffs, but nothing actually sounds like this even production 224 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,559 wise. But the kind of dynamicis has of that kind of jagged, clattering, 225 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,039 sort of bizarre main riff, which is one of things that don't think 226 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Queens cut quite get there for him really marks them out. But then the 227 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,080 way that shifts into this like really breezy kind of seventies rock, you know, 228 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,679 harmony style melody in the chorus with like the fucking slid guitars and ship 229 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:13,639 the first lesson, I was like, yeah, I'm humming this this melody, 230 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,279 this is going to work. Yeah, it's a weird one because not 231 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,440 like I can name them all off the top of my head, but my 232 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,159 gut tells me that every lead single off of Queen's record before this has been 233 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,720 really immediately, even like Clockwood, which, like you, I really like, 234 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,519 a lot of people find that record to be a bit kind of languid 235 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:33,960 and not all that stuff, even the most kind of emotional record. But 236 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:35,840 yeah, my god is the Sun, wasn't it? That was like the 237 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,919 yeah exactly, which a big riff, so I kind of expect something big, 238 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,799 a big bop like the way you used to do those. Was a 239 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,440 weird first single, not that we've heard the rest of it. Yeah, 240 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,960 but there's not really a central hook or a really obvious riff, and there's 241 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,440 bits in that sound like Queen, bits of sound like sparks. There's a 242 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,000 kind of Beasons melody towards the end. And yet even with all that, 243 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,840 when I first heard it didn't really have me salivating. I was slightly underwhelmed. 244 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,039 But I found myself later humming like four to five different parts of the 245 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:11,120 song, which I mean, for a single on one actual think that sounds 246 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,080 a bit kind of indirect and aimless. I really I like it as a 247 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,759 sort of initial taste. It's got to be more intrue than I was beforehand. 248 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,600 Yeah, I guess it reminds me almost of like some of the kind 249 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,480 of slower later parts of an hour Black Villains, we got out sounds like 250 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:30,879 Hideaway and all those kind of things where the stuff that wasn't so absolutely shit 251 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,879 kicking, And I would suspect I mean, obviously I just mentioned like Clockwack 252 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:37,919 being a kind of most vulnerable record to a degree if you were to ask 253 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,000 me before I'd even heard a note of this, what direction I think a 254 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:46,200 Queens record might go. In the last few years for Josh have been difficult 255 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:52,720 and heavy and rife with you know, controversy to some extent. And I 256 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,200 think the last thing we heard from him before Queens came back was he was 257 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,759 producing someone's record and he was talking about how kind of the act of like 258 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,240 working with this kind of single song wright it was quite a cathartic thing for 259 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,559 him, just in a personal sense. And I would probably expect this to 260 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,879 be a more mellow record than All Out, you know, all guns blaze 261 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:11,240 in. And I think this this song, while it's not a it's not 262 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:15,159 like it's not a ballad or anything, but it is a kind of more 263 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,600 again, almost like chilled out, kind of good time rock band thing as 264 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,480 opposed to you know, We're never gonna get fucking feeler hit from the Summer 265 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:26,679 of Them or or whatever. But I think it's interesting to hear that again 266 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,000 as almost like the first taste. I wonder whether that means it will lean 267 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,480 more into that kind of area or whether there will be some wilder departures kind 268 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,480 of going on. I think I think I read that they've self produced this 269 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,200 one rather than like working with Ronson again or whatever. I can't remember, 270 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,399 talking my head, he produced like clockwork. It might have been self produced, 271 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:49,000 but I mean even like the way the artwork for this has a very 272 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,960 similar kind of art style too, like the last two records, as almost 273 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,519 like a through line there of a kind of trilogy, which is the sort 274 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,759 of largely same lineup that they've had for you know, ten plus years now. 275 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:02,960 I was supposed to the earlier days when it was kind of this weird 276 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,440 revolving door idea. It feels like if Queens have kind of settled into something, 277 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,839 which I suspect is kind of what this era really is. But there's 278 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:18,839 still some again bizarre kind of detours and quirks and stuff that are very unique 279 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,559 to them. So um, yeah, I'm excited for the Queen's record. 280 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,839 This isn't my favorite single there's by any means, but I'm excited to hear 281 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,680 what the rest of this record holds. I think we can be a little 282 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,960 more our guests, like I know what this is going to be is As 283 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,279 Murder having that's a new album called Godlike that's coming out on September fifteenth. 284 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,920 They've released a single from that called Join Me and Armageddon and that As Murder 285 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,039 are just one of the most consistent bands, and they've just finished their their 286 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,599 Hate or what they were doing the anniversary for that. I think we kind 287 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:48,759 of knew we had a record in the tank from them. They're waiting to 288 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,319 finish up that and then start the sort of new era you know. Overall. 289 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,400 Similarly, I don't think it's necessarily stand out single from them, but 290 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,680 continuing on the sort of good shit Murder always deliver. I know, we 291 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,680 literally just spoke about them being on that three way split and there was an 292 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,759 original someone there. I think this one wisely stronger kind of more more memorable 293 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:14,920 song than what they got there worthy track to open up a new album campaign 294 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,960 with Yeah, I mean, thy Art for Me were always kind of the 295 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,640 bronze medal deathcore band off the White Chaplain, suicide silence. But what those 296 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,880 bands maybe had in you know, the frequency of classics thy I had in 297 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,759 consistency, but Hate is a stone cold classic for that genre. I don't 298 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:33,000 think it was debating that, and the record since have all been great. 299 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:34,799 I would put Wholly War in that category as well. Yeah. Yeah, 300 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:38,880 probably Human Target I liked, but it followed the band kind of slightly shrunk 301 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,480 the dynamic range, which wasn't all that vast to begin with, and for 302 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:47,000 that reason it's probably been my least favorite. It sounds like on this one 303 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,359 they've kind of expanded it out again, if ever so slightly, like with 304 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,559 that sort of weird lead line that got cuts through the whole thing, and 305 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,559 the riff being even for just being sort of been all zeros on tab, 306 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:03,119 it's kind of unpredictable riffing pattern, and I think that sort of thing does 307 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,960 help with this start, and as you say, it's just delivering the thing 308 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,160 that you want from die art. Yeah, I've always liked their kind of 309 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,440 concern for atmosphere among deathcore bands and stuff like the lead line. I think 310 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,440 up Keemy Target had a reasonable amount of that and kind of these slower songs 311 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,720 with like you know, darker lead parts and stuff like that, and I 312 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,240 guess that is what counts as kind of color and flash for them, So 313 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:23,640 it's nice to hear it here. The video is like, I mean, 314 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,880 they look like at a Pertabata show or something, they were only kind of 315 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,519 ciberbunk coats, but like I mean, I'm used to SEJ blowing his hair 316 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,079 back with the Hawaiian shirt, you know, open in the wind. But 317 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,440 there's kind of Cold War imagery going on. There's like you know, snow 318 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,400 and fire and burning bodies and Russian hats. Seemingly maybe this is their kind 319 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:48,039 of you know, East European conflict nuclear apocalypse record in the way that Holy 320 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,559 War was there, you know, kind of what was going on there, 321 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,400 but as a you know, a kind of first blow of that as a 322 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,400 call from CJ to bang your fucking heads. If I heard that correctly, 323 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,480 that's that's nice. Got a refrain in there, and I think they execute 324 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,559 breakdown is better than most bands as well. Like it's such a trite thing 325 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,519 that you actually feel them when they like, you know, stop a song 326 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:10,480 to do something like that. So I think maybe the most interesting thing is 327 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,440 this is their first release on their own label, which is an interesting move 328 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,640 for a band of kind of thy arts level, but you know, good 329 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,079 luck to them there and then elsewhere. Lord help us. Thirty Seconds to 330 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,039 Mars are back again. They have announced a new album, Morbid Time is 331 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,440 now over. Thirty Seconds to Mars Time is back in action once again, 332 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,480 their album It's the End of the World but it's a beautiful day, of 333 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,519 course it is, and they've released a single called Stuck. This is the 334 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:44,200 follow up to their twenty eighteen album America and I Am I'm not even going 335 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,559 to entertain the idea that thirty Second to Mars are a good band. I'm 336 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:48,599 not even going to be one those people being like, oh, Kings and 337 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,759 Queens is great. There are ship bands. They've just gotten shitter over the 338 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,880 years. And America. I can't believe how long ago this record feels now. 339 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,359 I don't know if you. It's the one which has the awful like 340 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,200 alternate album covers where it was like a like a different color background and they're 341 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,279 just like a list of the one I'm looking at on Spotify right now, 342 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:12,720 says Kim Justin Jesus, Michael Mickey and Donald Yeah, it was like another 343 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,079 one was like sex positions, one was it was all sorts. It was 344 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,880 just like it was so just cheap. And this is the thing with thirty 345 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,799 Sex to Mars. It's like they were always kind of well, they used 346 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:27,559 to be kind of melodramatic and Paige, and now the garish and Paige and 347 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:32,400 it's somehow more annoying. Yeah, this record, again, I can't believe 348 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,680 how long ago it was, but I remember walk on Water, those kind 349 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,440 of songs. This was one of the worst fucking records released in that whole 350 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,200 period, which kind of mid to late twenty tens. That's a bad records 351 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,400 from bands like this. This is one of the worst ones. I can't 352 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,160 believe they are now going to follow it up. And by the sounds of 353 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,680 it, I don't think this is quite Rescue Me or whatever it was from 354 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,960 that record. But this song, I mean, we're not going to review 355 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,240 the thirty Sex to Mars record. This is going to be our own moment 356 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,240 of sort of pointing laughing at it, so we might as well take it. 357 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:07,960 Sounds like a I heard someone describe it as basically just like a car 358 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,720 advert song, and to me, there's there's that kind of I mean it's 359 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,720 barely a rock song, like they kin, they kind of seem to a 360 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,160 bandon rock music a while ago. But it sounds like they heard manor Skin 361 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,200 and went, what if we did that with less rock in it. I 362 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,400 mean, you say car advert it's more like a Firefox advert. It's less 363 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,799 cool than even just like something that advertised is cute. I mean the verses 364 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,720 are so like simpering and unpleasant, and then that new wave break which I 365 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,720 not made the manor Skin connection, but yeah, it's so you know, 366 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:42,319 for a band made up of millionaires to have something that sounds so cheap and 367 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,599 tacky, it doesn't even feel like a song. There's so like little effort 368 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,759 in it. I'm looking at this thumbnail this fucking video right now, and 369 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,759 it's in shirtless, holding like a fucking bear skin coat over its head, 370 00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:00,240 and it's like this is so dramatic for what is like a Portugal the man 371 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,640 left over, like, yeah, this is the thing I don't understand about 372 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,880 thirty seconds to Mars. It's like it isn't this meant to be your labor 373 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,880 of love? And yet you don't care, Like what, why do it? 374 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,119 What's the point? Yeah? Well, like it was morbid time, 375 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,880 that disastrous. You've got to be here. Well, they've been busy. 376 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,839 I checked because I'd wanted to see, you know, how long this album 377 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:22,799 was going to because they seem like the kind of band could give us a 378 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,359 double album at will, and this one's only thirty three minutes. But letters 379 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,000 said that they maybe have two or three albums worth of material, so we 380 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,119 might be entering the unlimited Love Dream canteena of thirty seconds to Mars. That's 381 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,319 exciting. I mean, at least they aren't seventy minutes long, and I 382 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:42,960 will not be listening to any more speaking of bad things this I got an 383 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,839 email in my inbox about this a little a few days ago, and I 384 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,880 actually goffward at the wording of it, because A Tiller, Fronzilla, everyone's 385 00:23:53,000 --> 00:24:02,400 favorite fucking death core misogynists. They are going to be honoring their seminal album 386 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:06,119 about That Life with a ten year anniversary tour, And it was the use 387 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,079 of the word seminal in this press release and so on that particularly made me 388 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:15,319 lose my fucking mind, because I don't know if you do. I remember 389 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:21,400 about That Life coming out, and I remember being like fucking abhorred, by 390 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,519 it like it's one of the I mean it's hysterical, like if the song 391 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,039 about that that life particularly comes on and the bit when he's like she sucks 392 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,640 my dick while I'm on my PlayStation or whatever, like I do laugh at 393 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,880 it. It's it has a particular almost like spot in my brain of like 394 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,519 just shit songs from a certain era that I have a lot of fun with 395 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,000 for how just like tacky they are. But the idea like we I think 396 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,079 we are truly in a climate now where if your rock band manages just to 397 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,319 survive a certain amount of time, like if you are still here, then 398 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:03,400 whatever hilarious fucking wank thing you did ten years ago will one day be referred 399 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,440 to as seminal, Like we've seen it with all the brick rock bands that 400 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:10,319 Sam and sisters were good ten years ago and releasing their seminal records and then 401 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,000 coming back to them when they're all shit. This is I can't believe we 402 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:22,359 have reached a point where about that life is being given the fucking anniversary flowers 403 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:29,599 treatment. It's about that life. This is the weird thing, is Attila. 404 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,319 For years now, I've kind of had this discussion around them of like, 405 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,200 are they still the kind of band that you know, media outlets should 406 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,920 cover. Is this something we should kind of sweep under the rug? Attilla 407 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:44,480 don't seem to think so. They've picked their most dislikable period and I was 408 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,680 celebrating ten years of it. They've been the one with the song break shit, 409 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,680 fuck the law, fuck this ship, punch that bitch on it. 410 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,960 Well, this is the thing, and maybe maybe this is enough to make 411 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,079 something siminar. I've probably heard this song twice and it was both when it 412 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,400 came out. I think I could do the first verse off the top of 413 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,559 my head. So it occurred to me today because I was thinking it ten 414 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,680 years How how can it it manages to feel both painfully dated and also like 415 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,319 it's not that long ago. Yeah, I'm a bad motherfucker, not a 416 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,480 fucking role model. Fuck Church, hit a bomb, the and go smash 417 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:21,359 a fucking bottle is forever in my mind. But I guess that, and 418 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,000 maybe that that is what I guess warrants. It's anniversary treatment. But my 419 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,000 god, Sam responded to me on Twitter saying, oh, do we need 420 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,319 to do the album club treatment? I hadn't considered it until that moment. 421 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,799 Now maybe I am yes, should we do it? Let's see. Let 422 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,440 us know this album just as an aside, it's as old in twenty twenty 423 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:49,200 three as Fallen was when about that Life came out, so you would do 424 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,559 a retrospectful on that. Surely I think it's actually older like two thousand. 425 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:02,200 So yeah, it's more like the Daily Slipped My album, but this just 426 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:06,680 like the Daveut Slip Home. Yeah, live news, some very exciting stuff 427 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,559 going on over on this side of the pond. Ithaca have announced a very 428 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:15,319 special Evening with Ithaca event that's happening in London at the Dome in I believe 429 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:19,200 November. This looks like, yeah, the twenty fifth o November where they 430 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,200 are going to be showcasing their latest record, They Fear Us in its entirety. 431 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,599 They haven't done that yet before. And the event is also going to 432 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,599 feature a bunch of special guests, which I think is what was really gonna 433 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:30,960 let it kind of come into its own in regards to those songs, because 434 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 there's going to be people playing brass, people playing live woodwind, there's gonna 435 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,200 be live guest vocals from the guest vocalist who sings on whole Beheld, which 436 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,240 is kind of the big dramatic moment at the end of that record they have 437 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,720 not yet played. I think this is I would think it's cool when bands 438 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,799 who are kind of on a tear with a particular record that is like, 439 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,720 you know, really galvanizing people in the now are able to give it it's 440 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,440 moment like this, like you know, Behemoth doing The Satanist in full when 441 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,279 it was fresh as one of the best things I've ever seen. I think 442 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,839 it's great to who have such a had such a fucking wicked year after they 443 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,119 Fear has come out to kind of almost close it with this. If they 444 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,799 were to go on and write a new record fairly shortly afterwards or whatever, 445 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,920 it's give me a special event for the people who were there. Well, 446 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240 this is it. And you know, as you say that, there's such 447 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,799 a different band in the aftermath of that that I always thought as soon as 448 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,000 I heard they Fear, it's like, how are you going to splice this 449 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,079 in with the language of injury? To me, they seem like such separated 450 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,559 records, and it shows a lot of confidence and I think awareness of the 451 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,759 effect the records had to give it. It's kind of moment in the sun 452 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,319 soon afterwards, and it's it's more exciting because it feels like you're kind of 453 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:44,279 their on the journey rather than remember when we did this important record fifteen years 454 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:48,200 ago. So yeah, all about it. Yeah, absolutely were all about 455 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720 that life the dirty nil. I mean, that's the UK tour. This 456 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,359 is what people have been hype for fucking ages because we haven't had a tour 457 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,599 since fuck arn't came out because of when it came out. They've always got 458 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720 a new record that they will be touring on. But this would presumably deep 459 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,240 obvious be your first apt to see those songs as well. That's gonna be 460 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,200 happening in July and early August as well. It's in association with the Natural 461 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,119 National Lottery, which I don't quite understand the system how it works. Apparently 462 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,559 if you have if you buy a ticket, if you also have proof of 463 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,119 a lotto purchase, you can have a plus one with you, which I 464 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,200 don't quite understan how it works in terms of like venue capacity. They must 465 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,640 put a limit on the amount of tickets actually sell in order to allow for 466 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,880 everyone turning it with lotto tickets. But the dirt in illatoring and I'm sure 467 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,279 that's what everyone wants to hear. Also, Brutus are doing a UK tour 468 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:30,680 and I just thought this was cool because they're going to be playing their largest 469 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,000 UK show to date at London's Islington Assembly Call. And I think, again, 470 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,480 similarly to Ithaca, it's nice to see this band really going places and 471 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,279 one of those bands like that not just get terminally stuck at you know, 472 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,480 Boston Music Room or dome or whatever kind of level, actually kind of going 473 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,759 a bit above and beyond. So I think similarly that will be a very 474 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:49,920 cool thing. And they are going around the UK and playing you know, 475 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:56,359 other bits of other cities as well. Dave Ellison made headlines this week by 476 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,440 saying that Dave Mustaine still ship talking about his time in Metallica and his removal 477 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,599 from is fucking pathetic. And I'd just thought this was I was like, 478 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,559 hang on, how long has it been since Dave doesn't removed from? Maybe 479 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,400 two years? Like eighteen months at least. My favorite example of the cop 480 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,119 popcorn the Petal Kettle Black I can remember. Yeah, I mean to be 481 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,599 the lack of self awareness beaten a band with Dave Mustine and have a comparable 482 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,720 lack of self awareness is pretty impressive. My only hope from this is that 483 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,200 we get a sort of some kind of monster styles sit down with Ellaston and 484 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,839 he can cry to Mustaine and ask why he never got a second chance after 485 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,839 the leaks. I mean, this is like she was overage, I'm promised. 486 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,000 How do you think that made me feel, Mustae? It's so undignified. 487 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,279 Yeah. Maybe My preferred story this week, though, is that Billy 488 00:30:53,279 --> 00:31:00,519 Corgan says that he paid a ransom, and actual real life ransom amount to 489 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:04,319 a hacker who had gotten hold of some of the new recordings that have been 490 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,279 on the new Smashing Pumpkins record, the Atum series whatever it is, in 491 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:14,119 in order to not leak those songs, he paid for those recordings. And 492 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440 if this had happened twenty years ago, right, I mean, you know, 493 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,160 I don't know what the fucking logistics of hacking and getting but you know 494 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,519 we all know stuff used to leak online on you know, Napster line why 495 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,799 or wherever it was. If this had happened twenty years ago when the Smashing 496 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:33,200 Pumpkins were up there, you know, kind of still being important, You 497 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,200 go, okay, I can buy that story. Would the world really have 498 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:42,640 changed if Atum Act three had leaked likes early. I haven't heard it now. 499 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,119 Yeah, that's surely this is a net loss because the release has been 500 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,279 sole low key and I love the Smashing Pumpkins, but I haven't even known 501 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,680 when these parts are coming out Spotify to hear the third part, which we 502 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:57,400 had it in a fucking hype blast and the release round up, and it 503 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200 didn't come out because they fucking moved it around. Like I don't know what's 504 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,160 going on with these albums. It wouldn't have made a difference. Well, 505 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,599 the new songs, like most of the songs on the last part of around 506 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,839 fifteen thousand plays a week after it came out. That is not acceptable for 507 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,920 the Smashing. It probably would have gotten more people listening to it if there 508 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,839 was a story of ah that the third part is leaked. Yeah, like 509 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,799 he should have kept his money and let more people listen to it. This 510 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,359 is a failure on all the fronts. Billy silly Billy. Yeah, basically, 511 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,960 save your pendies, Billy, you go buy yourself some sweets, treat 512 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,680 yourself. And then Frank Kozick, the artist graphic designer who did lots of 513 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,319 work, particularly in the ninety nineties for bands like The Melvins and Navana and 514 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,920 so on. We got word of his passing away this past week, and 515 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,640 I just think in terms of particularly for me, that the cover of Houdini 516 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,240 by the Melvins is one of the real like almost like the entire era of 517 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,759 that kind of you know, early nineties grunge, proto grunge kind of noise 518 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:59,759 rock sludge, whatever, real marker of that time. And it's certainly a 519 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:04,599 very distinctive style that was going on there, So it does feel alike again 520 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,839 the visual marks of one of the sort of the most celebrated HEAs in rocket 521 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,559 history. I suppose, yeah, this is it, because he had a 522 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,079 really distinctive art style. You know, if you told me American who Denie 523 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,039 by the same artist, it's not all that surprising. But he was doing 524 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,000 things like the first quins of the Stolage record is a completely different sort of 525 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,079 look, and you know, doing T shirts and posters like Soundgarden, Pearl 526 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Jam Is. Pretty much every major rock band of the time went to this 527 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,200 guy, So it's hard to think there were many people with more of a 528 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,039 fingerprint on the esthetic of you say, one of the most lawned hereas in 529 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,880 rock history, and it's a shame because I'll be honest, I didn't know 530 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,599 his name until I heard this news, and I felt kind of bad about 531 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,039 that because it's like, well, I've got loads of albums with his artwork 532 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,519 on it. I've always admired it. Every album they mentioned, I was 533 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,680 like, that's all got a great cover. So yeah, you know, 534 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,920 like I said, once you start recognizing his art style, you kind of 535 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,319 start seeing it all over the place. Yeah, I think what you said 536 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:01,920 about kind of the like Queens of Stones and stuff like that, I think 537 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,519 you moved into doing some of the more stone or rock and doom stuff, 538 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,599 Like I think he's done some stuff for Electric Wizard and so on. And 539 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,519 You're right, I wasn't aware of couldn't have named this guy prize this either. 540 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:14,960 But I think often with people like cover artists and producers as well, 541 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,280 and kind of people in behind the scenes, not in the bands that you 542 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,519 love, but have made a mark in some way, it is often these 543 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,840 moments that they're passing where you kind of become aware. I was like, 544 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,840 oh, yeah, fucking hell, Like a lot of this is responsible for, 545 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,639 like, you know, one guy or whatever. I've done a lot 546 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,559 of stuff, and I think there's always worth noting like you again, you 547 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,119 know when something like this happens. They had some good ship and they did 548 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,519 some stuff that you will probably love. So again, tip of the hat 549 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,840 there questions. David Galen asked the Casia straint or releasing two albums at once 550 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,800 if they are but it's not a double album? Do you know of similar 551 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,199 releases? What's your opinion on the move. Well, I mean a few 552 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:52,199 weeks ago we had the band All Far released their Anthronomicon and Helioomicon records, 553 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,960 and I think it's like kind of weird artists, like artistic, particularly extreme 554 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,760 kind of underground band like that. It makes sense from like I think it's 555 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,280 like Blue Task Nord did like three albums, and I don't think they necessarily 556 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,000 lease simultaneously, but there is like a collected box set of like the seven 557 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:13,039 seven seven records where they're meant to be together. It makes sense for a 558 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,719 mans like that, a death core band is a little bit like I'm a 559 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,159 bit cuiosed to hear. I guess what the what the differences? You know, 560 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,119 like, do these two records have an identity of their own in the 561 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,320 way again, those All File records, those two do. Yeah, it's 562 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,239 the only one that came to mind for me was Portal a couple of years 563 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,719 ago because a vowel, which was the one that they pair that with an 564 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,719 ambient thing, didn't they Yeah, it was a few harsh it was a 565 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,440 harsh noise rever. I think they just surprised released it, so it wasn't 566 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,679 like it was hyped up as two records coming out of the same thing. 567 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,800 But to be honest, I say, it's not a double album. I 568 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,599 don't really know what counts as a double album because people would saying mesmerize and 569 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,559 hypnotize. I know they're at least six months apart, but those people would 570 00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,239 call that a double album, but also that they're the fourth and fifth records 571 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,920 by a System of a Down or like Yellow and Green is a double album 572 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,559 of gold and Gray, isn't It's like it's just kind of amorphous rules, 573 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,320 So yeah counts. So I don't know. I think the System of Down 574 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,039 thing is the fact that they were released in separate years. That's like a 575 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,760 load and rero situation. And I think actually, like I think Metallica, 576 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,480 if I remember correctly, probably separated those two records like a year apart because 577 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:21,480 they didn't want to drop two simultaneous records on people. They wanted to sort 578 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:22,920 of allow them to, you know, kind of breathe and you know, 579 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:28,199 commercially land a little bit better for that, and so on. There are 580 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,960 bounds who haven completely upset way and like one of the biggest examples of all 581 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,679 time, which I checked, is a release on the same day as opposed 582 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:40,639 to a hypnotize whatever, use your illusion. Guns and Roses released two records 583 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:45,119 on the same day, and those both are basically double records, aren't they 584 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,599 They're both like seventy five minutes long, and like, I don't think you 585 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,519 need that much illusion, Like if that happened today, and I mean again, 586 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:54,639 these Smashing Pumpkins records are like off putting to me. If Guns and 587 00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,400 Roses right now released two seventy five minute records on the same like, oh 588 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,320 my god, Like where do you start with this? And it's fair fucking 589 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,440 plaything. Those albums became as iconic as they are really because that's a hell 590 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,880 of a power move to drop that much music in two separate packages of people 591 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,400 at the same time and have it actually pay off. I mean, on 592 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,960 the other hand, Kiss did four records when each of their own numbers had 593 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,440 their own thing, and it's there if that necessarily worked out to the same 594 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,559 degree. Well, the Guns and Roses thing I think of, right when 595 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,719 it was coming out, there was the expectation was going to outsell Thriller, 596 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,440 So I think the label were happy for them to do that kind of thing. 597 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,679 But you have to be a band of that size, so the two 598 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,519 records not kind of overshadow one another. That's the thing that is weird for 599 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,559 me about Sococia Strain. We're releasing two albums on the same day. It's 600 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,960 not like they're kind of big enough to inspire master debate. It's just like 601 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:52,320 the two the two songs, So the two albums, aren't they just kind 602 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,599 of going to be lumped in together anyway? Yeah, I think the flip 603 00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:59,280 side of that is something like the Kasia Strain are far enough in where they've 604 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,960 got a really at pablished fan base, and I think just in terms like 605 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,079 what I think of this move again, if if all Far do it or 606 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,079 Blue House nor do or whatever, I go cool, fine, You're kind 607 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,039 of it's kind of a strange artistic move if you're going for like a big 608 00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,480 record campaign, like if big bands do it, particularly upcoming bands, it's 609 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,400 weird, right, And I certainly don't think bands who are looking to kind 610 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,880 of build proper momentum. And I think, like I said, the case 611 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,599 story are quite far in they can kind of get away from it because they've 612 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,119 got enough dedicated fans who are gonna listen to it, and it's really gonna 613 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,920 affect their standing very much. Where like Nine Inch Nails, for example, 614 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,960 they did the Ghosts five and six. I think it was records like on 615 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,800 the same day, and I really like those two records. I prefer those 616 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,239 ghost records to the original one who throw one to fourth thing? And if 617 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960 Nine Sails turned up right now and we're like, hey, we've got two 618 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,840 albums, here you go, I'd like, oh, awesome, wicked, 619 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,760 Like I love Nine Inch Nails, I've got a load of new music, 620 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,920 and it's not actually again not gonna affet their standing at all. But to 621 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,119 take a band who are quite often compared some of that Ninetch Nails, if 622 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,159 Code Orange did it right now, my feeling will be, oh no, 623 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:05,519 that's going to be difficult for people that's going to be very demanding for people 624 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,880 to kind of get a hold of, and that is going to hurt them 625 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,840 in the long run. Nine it's Nails not really going to be hurt by 626 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,400 it. Code Orange could Yeah. I mean for me, I kind of 627 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,960 think putting two albums out on the same day, you have to just accept 628 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,360 that people are going to ban them together anyway, so you might as well 629 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,280 kind of write that into the projects. I think it's kind of I don't 630 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,320 naive sounds ash, but like you're kind of wishing too much to have We're 631 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,679 gonna put two albums out on the same day, and everyone's going to treat 632 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,960 them as completely. I mean the case of Strained, I believe the two 633 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,599 albums they do have like mirroring album up, so I think they are even 634 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,199 if they're If it's not a pretty much could be a double album, right, 635 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,559 like if you want to package it in the way where you've got one 636 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,079 disk and another. That's almost how it works because they're kind of mirroring each 637 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,320 other. I don't quite know what the decision is to go. They're going 638 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,400 to be their own things, but kind of compliments to each other in that 639 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:57,760 way. But whatever, Yeah, and I just feel like whether I'm in 640 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,199 the camera, I always want my bands to release more music. Like I 641 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,159 know some people, it's like they want bands to take years to chase perfection 642 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,400 and release something that is all killer, no filler. I kind of prefer 643 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,159 the bands I like to do weird things, like one of the other bands 644 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,280 I thought of doing this. One of my favorite bands, it's the Flaming 645 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,039 Lips who did Cyrika, which was four albums. He had to buy four 646 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,239 different CDs and play them all at the same time. And that's how you 647 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,519 got that, didn't they They got the the there's the yeah, fucking what's 648 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,119 the name the record? The one after three over in blood Um, Times 649 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:31,440 of Grace, Times of Great there you guys, amazing record. But there's 650 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,559 the Tribes of new rock record. It's like the ambient one that's meant to 651 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,599 be played at the in a different corner of the room. Yeah. So 652 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,039 for me, like if bands, I want bands to release more music, 653 00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,119 but I don't think this is the best way to do it, because one's 654 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,000 always going to overshadow the other, and if you're not going to package it 655 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,199 as a double thing, people aren't always going to go for both. Parts 656 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,280 and then it's yeah, it's it's a bit too messy. I think yeah. 657 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,760 Um. Simon Nash asked thoughts on the future of music with AI now 658 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,519 they're as a metal band called Frostbite Orkings. I had not listened or heard 659 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:06,480 of this thing. Well I read this question. I was like what, 660 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,440 I tried to read a couple of working out what it was. But frost 661 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,559 Bite Workings is a AI metal band that exists. You can go and listen 662 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,599 to the songs on YouTube, I presumes streaming or whatever. I would recommend 663 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,239 doing it on YouTube if you'll go into because you see the very strange, 664 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,400 funny video of basically like World of Warcraft ORCS standing in like the ice playing 665 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,119 this song that sounds like some kind of you know, Viking metal euro Melodeth 666 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:37,320 thing. My general thoughts about AI in music and where it is going this 667 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,159 is, I mean, this is We're going to spend a few minutes on 668 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,719 this question. It won't be enough to cover the topic. Like it's one 669 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,679 of the biggest things going forward that we are going to have to contend with 670 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:52,360 in terms of developments and where the industry might go or whatever. And there 671 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:58,239 are so many fawny areas of this topic, things that people have concerns with, 672 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,840 maybe people are proponents of. Ever, my fundamental first reaction is not 673 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,199 only to be disinterested in the music, but on a kind of ethical level. 674 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,880 It's the latest part of a long chain for me of the devaluing of 675 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,760 the musician, which is something that has been going on for decades. You 676 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,360 know what was Lars Orric telling you, like, we all know, we 677 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880 all talk about, you know, Spotify streaming numbers and how they paid pennies 678 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,119 and this kind of thing, and you know much cuts in venues and so 679 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,320 on, and how it's always kind of the musician who seems to kind of 680 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,880 be the person who has to take the hit in order for everyone else to 681 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:42,440 kind of get paid. The devaluing the musician continues when you essentially remove them 682 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,440 from the equation and go, oh, we don't need you, We are 683 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,559 going to get an AI to do it. And the unfortunate part of that 684 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,840 devaluing is you're never going to get what a musician is going to offer, 685 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,679 at least at this particular moment, because it's never going to have a soul, 686 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,440 is it? Where you might have the the sound right you might be 687 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,719 able to extract from a kind of algorithm, you know, something that resembles 688 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:13,199 quite quite coherently a particular style of music or a particular artist style of songwriting 689 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:20,400 or whatever. But the fundamental idea of art, it being a real human 690 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,159 place, an idea that it's being expressed from. This is just the sound, 691 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,960 right, it's not the art, and it needs inspiration, right like 692 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,360 even still, like at this point currently someone needs to have like, someone 693 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000 has to put in the kind of inspiration for this, right, Like an 694 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,599 AI didn't just decide to go, I'm going to write an enspherium song or 695 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:45,880 whatever they meant they did to get this. It won't organically develop by itself. 696 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,119 You need someone to go, Okay, give me such and such a 697 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,480 song in the style of whatever. You still need someone to start the process. 698 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719 And at that point when you need someone to start the process, all 699 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,679 you're doing here is more kind of a technical experiment to see if it works, 700 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,440 rather than actual real musical innovation. Yeah, and you know, for 701 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:08,800 me things this has all changed in the last year because AI he's going so 702 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,960 fast that like a year ago, if you asked me this, I would 703 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,760 have said, if your art style or music could be mimicked by an AI 704 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:20,840 so convincingly that people can't tell the difference. Your art is pretty bland and 705 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,559 derivative to begin with, frankly, which isn't necessarily mean it's not valuable or 706 00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:30,239 that you should be overcome by an AI overlord. But that sort of was 707 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,119 my broad thinking. However, I don't think how might be true to a 708 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,519 degree, like it's an aiding to come out with a Ranti Pazuzu song anytime 709 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,079 soon. There's a reason it's done, this kind of basic melodath thing. 710 00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:42,119 No, this is it. I'm listening to this. It is still bland 711 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,039 and derivative, but it is a song, and I can imagine people liking 712 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,559 it, and I'm you know, that's kind of freaky. And you hear 713 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,400 people in Matt Shadows saying things like he can't wait for Ai stop making avenge 714 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,599 of Sevenfold songs and that really is a bit like I, for one, 715 00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:59,440 welcome on new insect overlords, like like why would you ask that? And 716 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,360 Matt is the grimes of fucking heavy music, isn't he? I say, 717 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,039 as a fan of both of their music, Well, for me, like 718 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,920 I'm put off by the fact that it's AI because for me listening to some 719 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,360 it makes average music seem more impressive, but it doesn't make impressive music seem 720 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,039 more impressively. If you found out a robot wrote Master of Puppets, it's 721 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,320 actually not as impressive as knowing it was a bunch of drunk twenty two year 722 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:29,440 olds. That's more interesting, and like you could say that's the magic and 723 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,800 like knowing the story behind it and stuff, and there will always be people 724 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,480 who care about that, and just knowing it was an AI doesn't offer that 725 00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,239 same thing. Like, you know, if you listen to a blaze in 726 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,719 the northern sky, for example, you want to know who made it, 727 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,199 where, the surroundings, the cultural environment. If they just went, oh, 728 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,760 we starts a robot to do it, you go, oh, well, 729 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,280 okay, then then I suppose it's just a metal record. But I 730 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,400 mean, but then again, I say, it's at the race. It's 731 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,800 improving. You know, maybe it becomes so good I won't care how we 732 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,679 got made. It will be like the entertainment an infinite jests and I'll just 733 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,960 ship myself and die. Yeah, but again, it's there's something so I 734 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,360 mean, I just heard a ranti pazuzu, we would never have got currently, 735 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:13,199 we would never have got something like lingering, not out of AI like 736 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:20,639 that mixture of styles presented in that kind of bizarre, unformulaic way, with 737 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,840 so much real human experience in there, that kind of it comes out in 738 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,639 an unhinged way, right, Like I I've yet to hear again an AI 739 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:37,320 song or whatever that doesn't feel in some way kind of in a box where 740 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,280 the genuine, like out there expression that particularly extreme kind of art can can 741 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:51,280 offer. I don't know how an AI impersonating that might you know, land 742 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,800 upon that or how it would come across or whatever. And again this frost 743 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,599 by Orcings thing, it's worked out the formula of how you make a song 744 00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:59,639 like this, right, I think that there's two songs that I listened to 745 00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,199 and both of them ending a key change, so it can look at how 746 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,320 again, a Viking metal song from one of these kind of bands, how 747 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,719 they write their songs in the kind of most basic way, and it can 748 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,679 do it competently, right. It's not mistakes in this song or anything. 749 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,239 It's not like one of those, like again, the AI art things where 750 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,320 I was like, hang on, this person's got seven fingers or whatever like 751 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,360 is it. Currently it's doing an okay job, but it's never going to 752 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:29,800 have a real spark there is it. It's not got a real like rush 753 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,840 of energy or ideas. And again one of the things I rail against the 754 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,360 most at the moment when we review records and stuff on this show, are 755 00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:44,840 you know, production jobs and so on that are just so mechanical and like 756 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,800 that sounds like fucking AI anyway, So like going further down, you know, 757 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,559 the lack of spontaneity and spark. I think fundamentally, I think it's 758 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:59,000 going to make less good art. It is going to devalue art. It's 759 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,280 going to devalue the music and more. And currently where we stand, I 760 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,039 can't speak for the future precunity. Where we stand, it's not innovating in 761 00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:09,239 a way, it's only creating facsimiles. And on the other level is the 762 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,920 dangerous precedent being set, which again even more difficult kind of topics and stuff 763 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,599 in terms of what this actually means and the practice of it where we don't 764 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:22,280 live in some kind of utopian tech bubble, which is what people like mat 765 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,280 mat Shadows and Grimes and so on, seemed to just completely bypass. We 766 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,679 live in a fucking horrible capitalistic world and we've already seemed like again the AI 767 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,119 art thing, where there are have been bounds who have used AI to come 768 00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,239 up with cover art and that kind of thing, and so often it comes 769 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,559 out that, like the picture it's created is kind of gobbled up other bits 770 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,880 of art that have been created, you know, for free. It's not 771 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,360 fucking compensated people for using their things. It's kind of if you put something 772 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,679 online, it will be put into a database and a computable churn out some 773 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:57,119 you know, mangled version of it, and it will not be giving you 774 00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,480 a cent for it. Surely there must be some level of the same thing 775 00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:06,719 going on here when it comes to the sounds that are being put into again, 776 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,320 if you put your song on Spotify or whatever, the massive sound database, 777 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,039 and then we've seen kind of you know, I think quite recently like 778 00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:21,039 Timberland was kind of playing around with like using an AI to recreate the Notorious 779 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:22,920 BIG's voice and kind of use it on a song and stuff like that. 780 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,280 And when it comes to manipulating voices, if you have someone's voice in a 781 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,760 database, even someone who is still a lie, but you can make that 782 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,400 person, you know, say something or you know, I think even like 783 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,400 Grimes, she was saying something like, I would love for you to create 784 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,199 a song using my voice. You have my permission, and then after whichet 785 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,679 to put a little thing. But also, please don't make me say any 786 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:49,239 fucking like racist, bigoted, you know, hateful shit or whatever, because 787 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,800 someone's going to do it. And there's a level where you're infringing on human 788 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:59,719 legacy with this stuff. So fundamentally I think it should had nothing to do 789 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,400 with punk metal music like electronics. Sure, this isn't like twenty years ago 790 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,079 when people going, oh that's you're just pressing a button on a laptop. 791 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,880 It's not real music. That's not the issue here. It's about that music 792 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,800 coming from a real place, and if you kind of offshoot that to something 793 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,639 inhuman, it won't make good results in a genuine artistic sense, and it 794 00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:22,199 doesn't leave a lot of crumbs left for the real people trying to get by 795 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,519 make art. Well, this is it, and you know there's no accounting 796 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,760 for taste either. This is the thing. Like as you say, people 797 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:35,119 love this stuff because they listen to boring music anyway. But but also like 798 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,159 as you say, someone's got to have the idea and put it in the 799 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,920 computer. If you sat someone down and said, like, if you just 800 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,679 decided, let's try and make some popular music, you know an a I 801 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,199 wouldn't think of you know, Daniel Johnston or something like that, or any 802 00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:52,639 outside of music, because it's like, we don't really understand even how that 803 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,000 kind of intelligence works. How are we going to program it in something artificial? 804 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,920 So it's like, yeah, if you can recreate things. My worry 805 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,440 is that, you know, a year ago we thought, well, it 806 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,079 can't even do a face. So what we're worried about in five years all 807 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:14,079 these things that you know, you and I are picking up on saying, 808 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,599 you know, that's very derivative. You know that sounds artificial, this, 809 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:21,440 that, and the other. It's only going to get faster and faster. 810 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,800 And if it does get to a point where you really can't sell the difference, 811 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,639 I don't know. I don't I don't know what that means. Yeah, 812 00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,280 I agree, I think it's certainly going to be a You're one of 813 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,599 the first things you said is so right where we weren't talking about this prior 814 00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,480 to a couple of months ago, and it's already fucking just absolutely blown up, 815 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,639 and it's going to keep doing that. And if it does, you 816 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,920 know, again, if it reaches the point where some of the almost like 817 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,360 technical criticisms we're making about it have been evened out, then sure, But 818 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,920 I think fundamentally still for me, I mean again, the characters like that, 819 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,239 they're you know, dumb orcs or whatever. I am a World a 820 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,840 Warcraft player. I have more interest in listening to the like in game Elite 821 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,440 Tour, in Chieftain band then this. So there you go. Let's see 822 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,840 where where this kind of progresses. And if it's I mean again, fundamentally 823 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,960 the business is driven by business. It's not going to care about some of 824 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,760 the criticisms we are making. So it's still going to keep happening. I 825 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,360 think we just have to keep fighting for the real thing essentially and actually value 826 00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:23,880 expression. Paul Terry asked, if you had to form a one person black 827 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,400 metal project for yourself, what would you call it. So I have a 828 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,840 database of band names I add to whenever I think of or hear something that 829 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,760 sounds like a band name. Nine well, almost none of them will ever 830 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,679 get used. But so I checked that and there were some black metally ones, 831 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:43,760 but they sound like multiple person bands, and that, to me is 832 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,079 a different question. And one thing that I've never understood about one man black 833 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,039 metal bands is that even though it's just them and they can pick whatevery name 834 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:55,480 they like, they still want to have a pseudonym. Like you get to 835 00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:59,760 name the band whatever you want and it's just you, but you still want 836 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,960 another name for yourself, like you're you know, puff Daddy or something. 837 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,440 So I've decided, I thought, I just drove home to do this, 838 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,760 and I thought about this all the way here, and I've settled on my 839 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:16,400 choice. I my band will be and I will be Marta Scorsese, and 840 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,679 I would have big thick glasses and I would write DSBM albums about modern cinema, 841 00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:29,480 and the album will be called The Age of De Niro. Wow, 842 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,639 that there was more formal announcement, There was more thought put into that, 843 00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:37,480 and the payoff at the end after it works. I just went down the 844 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,800 line of thinking, like, there's that the kind of trend at the moment 845 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,559 in you know, sort of raw you know, black metal tape circles or 846 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,280 whatever. It is, the kind of vampiric black metal thing. And I 847 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,119 am it's so cliche and there are so many of them and they are so 848 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,159 unoriginal, But I am like I'm on those people where like I've been buying 849 00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:57,960 some like patches and stuff recently to put something together, and like if you 850 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,760 put nos Ferato on a patch, I will probably buy it, Like I 851 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:07,199 just like that shit, like you know, call something whampyrick, I will 852 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,239 buy it. Have some reference to like Transylvania or Carpathia or something. So 853 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,519 my mind just immediately went to, like, you know, it would probably 854 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,880 have the words sanguine in there, like something kind of that's sort of you 855 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,840 know, lush it, like something hemophilic going on, and I kept like 856 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,480 sanguine phantasmagoria is like the most wordy name that I could come up with. 857 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:32,119 It would actually just be a massive cliche, so that in five minutes, 858 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,199 that's what I've got. That's not metal. Patreon supporters, thank you, 859 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,119 as ever lovely people for your time and donations. It is what helps this 860 00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:44,519 podcast keep being here. Our Evil Dead Rise Deep Dive is our latest thing 861 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:46,920 over there on the highest tier. But it is finally time for us to 862 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,360 give you another proper music special, and it's one of you want to do 863 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,480 for a while because so far, at least while I've been programming things here, 864 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,320 our band specials have centered on bands with lengthy careers because they're the most 865 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,840 meat there to really go in on as we do over a series of parts. 866 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,840 But for a while we have been wanting to dip our toes into bands 867 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,920 who perhaps have briefer stories, have been around for less time and have less 868 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,559 records to go on, but who still are massively important to us and are 869 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,280 seen in some way and deserve to have their story told the way we'd do 870 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,679 it. So a number of years ago, I still available for people in 871 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,119 the kind of special's archive link that we have. Of all the kind of 872 00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:28,000 Prepatreon specials that were done, there was one such thing done on the band 873 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,920 let Live, and we want to pick that back up and be able to 874 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,400 kind of deliver some one and done style band specials. We've asked for suggestions 875 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,239 from you guys on occasion about the kind of bands that we could do such 876 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,920 things on, and we hope to be able to take on a few of 877 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,719 those. But in my mind, when it came to restarting that particular style 878 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,400 of band special there was always one band who were going to come first, 879 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,719 and that is oath Breaker, a band who are only around for about a 880 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,360 decade, who we still kind of don't know if they're ever going to be 881 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,400 active again or not, but who in that time achieve some incredible things and 882 00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,239 made some of the most actual music I think of the T and M era, 883 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,639 this is one that's going to be really from the hearts when it comes 884 00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,440 to our experiences with these records at the time and now today looking back at 885 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,239 them. Their final record, Rayer, is of course one of the great 886 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,800 albums of the last few years that I'm sure most of us really revere. 887 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960 But how did they get there, what's the story with their previous records, 888 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,760 and if they were to never come back from this point, have they left 889 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,360 much of a legacy. These are the questions that we are going to ask 890 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,400 in this one part band Special. We were going to be recording that on 891 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,920 Sunday. It's looking like it might be coming to a round Wednesday time, 892 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,320 but it's gonna be special. If you've got any thoughts about other bands were 893 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,800 kind of shorter careers and you know, only a couple records in them that 894 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,480 you would like to see us tackle in one of these shorter form bound specials. 895 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:38,599 Let us know, hit us up. But I can think of no 896 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:45,000 better one to kick us off than oath Breaker. The release round up for 897 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,920 this episode, the twelfth of May. Katasycapitation Terror Sites is the big one 898 00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,639 straight off the bats. Also there are those double Acacia Straint records. Failure 899 00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:58,079 Will Follow is the first one, and Step into the Light. I hope 900 00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,559 that's the order they'd want you to listen to them in. Who knows it 901 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,280 really. Also, it's funny that has happened. The same day Devil Driver 902 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,920 are releasing volume two of their Dealing with Demon thing, which is like the 903 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,760 least essential double album. I just can imagine, because surely they're both just 904 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,880 Devil Driver albums. They'd be like a couple of years apart. They're just 905 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,679 devil Driver albums, mate, I yeah, Devil Drive. They're a weird 906 00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:25,400 band because they're always They're always seem around, They're always at festivals and always 907 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,719 spell like, what the bands have you seen the most? And I realized 908 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,800 I've seen Devil Driver five times. They were like, oh, you must 909 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,639 love them. No, I've got a few bands like that. But yeah, 910 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,920 Devil Driver Vollywood two, Volume two even I'm sure it will be as 911 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,840 essential as Volume one was. This one. It's kind of interesting, Hot 912 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,159 Mulligan, why would I watch? It's a shame that Sam isn't here to 913 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,559 me throw that on because I'm sure that they have got more sort of knowledge 914 00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,400 experience on this band than than I do. But this is a band who 915 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,719 I've seen gaining a little bit more traction when it comes to kind of pop 916 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,400 punk and emo and that kind of world. In the last couple of weeks. 917 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,760 We might review their album when it comes to spose if there's something from 918 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,679 that world that is getting people talking. So that is there the Amity Affliction 919 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,679 not without my ghost. I have lost track of how many Amityfflictions albums have 920 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:12,960 come out since the hilarious one that if you are a long time T and 921 00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,360 M listener, you will remember us going on about ad nauseum. Since that 922 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:22,559 point. It's like, I don't like you and you've delivered the most hysterical 923 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:27,039 thing you're going to deliver. I feel like Amity Affliction peaked there, but 924 00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,480 there it is, and then it's kind of kind of death core range veil 925 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:36,199 of Maya with Mother, I'd say Brackett m and other Velamiah got a new 926 00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,880 record out, Left to Suffer, a little kind of fresher their record Feral. 927 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,679 That's again the kind of sort of death core meets new metal, sort 928 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,519 of you know, upcoming younger band range a long time kind of you know, 929 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:50,360 old favorite for a lot of people in the UK. Black Spiders are 930 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,440 back with Can't Die, Won't Die. I would never really in on Black 931 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,079 Spiders to be and I say never really kind of you know, tickle my 932 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,280 fancy in a particular way. But I know a lot of people who are 933 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,079 sort of you know, nostal for the twenty eleven UK rock scene always kind 934 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,559 of viewed them as, like, you know, one of the most good 935 00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,719 time components of that scene. Similar if you want some kind of stone a 936 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,519 rock, there's a band called Deaf Forbanddy and Miniska. I'm presuming that is 937 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,599 scand Scandinavian of some kind, but I mean those Scandies love their kind of 938 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,880 stone rock and the Sundlits and decent stuff. Here Foot back at Home Island 939 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,199 of Love with their South record Island of Love. This is kind of a 940 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,360 I believe, I think London based kind of alternative rock band elsewhere we have 941 00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,039 kind of kind of getting more metal Omnero the amnsal rise at some kind of 942 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,480 progressive metal kind of bits of Devin Towns and engageera and stuff like that. 943 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:38,360 And then to take us home in the extreme area, Ascended Dead even Fall 944 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:43,800 of the Apocalypse is a pretty damn good death metal band. Their last records 945 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,719 are are worthy, so I will be checking this one out some kind of 946 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:51,719 noisier end of that particular area, there is Impetuous Ritual with an incredible extrememental 947 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:57,280 album title Iniquitous Barbaric Synthesis, and not to be outdone, Foch Trillium, 948 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,639 which is one of the kind of if you're into suit with your like bizarre 949 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,480 vant guard bandcamp extreme metal. In recent years he pats out so many strained 950 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:09,440 records with title like Astral Constellations of the Magical Zodiac. And if that's too 951 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:15,280 much for you, you just want some Brazilian fucking black metal ripping Grave Desecrator 952 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,079 and I Mundissime's Spiritus. There you go. Thank you for listening, if 953 01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:22,000 any of you are so cult as to be in on that, and then 954 01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:24,039 you will be at the Lamp of Murmur Devil Master show in leads the night 955 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,800 that this goes out, I'll see you there. Next Friday, we will 956 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,800 be reviewing records from the likes of Catal Decapitation, Frozen Soul Drain, The 957 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,000 Dirty Nil have got one out in a couple of weeks, and before then, 958 01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:39,840 our one shot Oathbreaker special is at patreon dot com slash that's non metal. 959 01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:40,880 See you next time.