I have left some rocks. I left an ivory elephant, two blue rocks,
pink red, and a clear added some four sticks here so see what
happens next time. Welcome everyone to tonight's episode of the Sasquatch out Post podcast,
your favorite podcast every week. I appreciate you guys being tuned in this
evening, and I think there's a bunch of you. I appreciate our faithful
following. You guys are awesome to be tuning in every week, and I
think we're averaging somewhere around one hundred watching live each week, which is awesome.
We started off in the fifties, so we've grown considerably. I'm going
to show you something tonight from Steve Isdall's site. He only has three hundred
and fifteen thousand subscribers and one hundred thousand views every podcast. So that's our
goal. One hundred thousand views every week. Wouldn't that be awesome? And
all I have to do is just read a bunch of emails off my phone
and I'll be up there before you know it. So no nothing against Steve.
I think Steve is awesome. I think he's done a lot for the
Sasquatch research cause and informing people about sasquatch and no, it's great. By
the way, if you have a story of an encounter, or you know
someone who has the story of an encounter, please let us know. And
Steph, would you put my email, my Mountain Jim email up there for
them to write to if they have a story or know someone has a story,
because I've got some great stories coming up in the next few weeks.
But I'm always looking for good eyewitness accounts because that's what people love to hear
so and that's where we learn. It's from other people's experiences. But this
Friday, I I'm gonna have surgery on my knee. Finally, I'm gonna
have them clean up the meniscus tear and hopefully give me some relief. He
told me, My orthopedic guy told me. Yeah, he said, you're
looking at the replacement coming up, And so I'm gonna ask him after he's
gone inside there. So how long do you think I'm looking at? You
know, part of me thinks, if that's something that has to happen down
the road, it's better to do it when I'm younger than when i'm older.
For for healing and recuperation. But hey, Patricia, nice to see
you in there. But I'm gonna talk to him about that and see what
he thinks. But I've got I got something fun to show you, guys.
This is something that I saw not too long ago. So I have
cameras around the outside of my building security cameras, and I have three,
let's see or two cameras inside, one of which is in the room where
the are resident a bigfoot or two bigfoots plural live the Bosston Junior. And
when I turn on the notification thing at night for motion get I get all
these alerts. And I kept trying to figure out why is this, what's
setting this thing off? Because if the boss starts going off in the night,
that's gonna freak me out. It has happened where I've gone in early,
like six am or something, and I hear him back in there going
and I'm like, Okay, there's nobody back there. What in the world
is setting him off? And so yeah, Steph, if you hear him,
you let me know when you go in in the morning. I haven't
heard it lately. But he's harmless. He's under strict instructions to stay back
behind the tree. So but anyway, I noticed something I want to see
if you guys noticed this. So let's play that video and leave me on
with it. And I want to comment as we're showing it. Oh it's
not there, what is it? Oh that's right, we can't, we
can't, Okay, So just show the video. Okay, that's fine.
Just let me talk about it and then play it again. But these these
things are just floating around the room. I'll I'll look at the camera ten
minutes later and there's absolutely nothing in the air, and so these things set
off. It's not dirt, it's not bugs. They're all perfectly round,
and they just float around in there. And don't ask me why, don't
ask me where they come from. But let's just show that one more time,
and you guys watch closely. It's really interesting. So I've been back
in there after hours, and the weird thing is I can see them if
I hold up my iPhone, I can see them through the camera. I
can't see them with my naked eye, but I can follow it. I
can follow them around the room with my camera, and and they don't they
don't dissipate, they don't disappear. I can just follow them wherever they're going
around the room. It is really interesting. So what is it about the
Sasquatch out post that makes these things come out? I don't know, but
yeah there that's just a mystery to me. So my first guests, and
I'm gonna bring Wayne on a little bit. My first guest is someone I
brought on earlier in the season, like episode what was it six? I
think John, But John Warm was my research partner for quite a few years,
and a lot of you weren't watching back then, and so John and
I had tons of experiences together and particularly around the idea of gifting. So
I'm going to bring John in and in the second here show your support for
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Thank you. I'm really glad that she could be with us tonight,
and we have got a ton of stuff to show you guys, both with
John and with Wayne. So buckle up, you're gonna this is This is
gifting one O one, and there's a ton of information because John and I
did this together for how many years? Was it? John? Seriously?
For three years? Twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen. When did you move to
the springs twenty twenty? Okay, in the in the late winter twenty twenty,
But in twenty nineteen we kind of tapered off. We may have done
a few times, but by then we were Yeah, it was a chour.
I lived twenty twenty five miles from the site, Yeah, and the
last couple of miles were a pretty rugged hey, and then we had to
hike. Yeah, And and but we were up there a lot in those
three years, and and we saw tons of tons of things happen. And
John had a siding which we'll talk about and a little bit. But yeah,
So tell us just a little bit about yourself, John, your background,
and before we get into the thing. I'm a geologist. I've spent
a fair bit of time out in the wilds, although I'd say until twenty
fourteen I was not really a Sasquatch fan. I had known about the Patterson
Ginlin film. I was aware of the controversy, not really involved in it
or even interested until in twenty fourteen I heard on Denver News Channel that two
women in Bailey had had a sight. They were friends of Jim and I
forgot her name, but she was interviewed on the news and I thought,
well, she's believable, that there's no reason for her to be fabricating anything.
No, and so I started reading literature and read a lot about gifting.
That's really how I got interested in gifting was through the literature. And
then in early twenty sixteen, late May, I saw that Sasquatch Outpost and
Jim Myers was leading an overnight trip back into the Boonies to hopefully commune with
Sasquatch. So I signed up in a small group of us. We met
at Sasquatch Outpost about ten and by eleven we were back hiking up Deer Creek
and we sat waiting to get responses and never got anything. But on the
way to and from we saw lots of tree structures. There was a kid
from he was a junior at devil In High School, one of a triplet
that was interested in Sasquatch and he had all kinds of energy, and he
was all over different sides of the trail, finding tree structures and finding them
in the dark, and found some wonderful ones. So that was a certainly
positive thing. And then on the way back we stopped at Sasquatch out Post
gift site and I started gifting. And over the next month and a half,
i'd say I went up about every second or third day. Nothing was
taken in that month and a half, but things were always rearranged. The
reason I knew that is I would take a picture yep, way I'd leave
things, and I'd come back and try to get the camera in the same
position and take a picture how I found things. I wouldn't have even noticed
that some of the things had been rotated or turned over. The trees,
the glyph structure that I would leave would have been messed with, a branch
that had been on top was now on the bottom. Those sorts of things
really subtle things, not always subtle, but many times subtle. Nothing was
taken. So I'd say in mid July of twenty sixteen, I thinking that
too many people knew about Sasquatch out Post gifts side, and I may have
been messed with by a human. I moved to a place only I knew
about, not far off the trail, but up a really steep incline.
I just walked up that incline until I got to a break and slope and
there was a big moss covered boulder that looked like a natural altar. And
I built a little tepee of four I say in a slide here, I
say spruce saplings. They're actually aspen saplings, dead aspen saplings. Made a
little TP just because it looked like a flag over the gift site. I
started leaving gifts there, and sure enough, the very first day I left
gifts came back two days later gifts had been taken. So that's how I
got into the Sasquatch, and that's how I got into gifting, and that's
how I met Jim. And Jim and I continued gifting at that site.
Then made another site that we used in twenty sixteen, a third one that
we used in twenty seventeen. In twenty eighteen, with quite a bit of
activity at all the gift sites, every site, every site, we had
activity and just about every day. Yeah, and it's it's true that it
does take repetition, it does take going up often. But when Wayne gets
on a little bit, we'll talk. But he and I have never had
the activity that you and I had. John So and I wore the same
clothes every time I sang the same songs. I used the same walking stick,
I tapped to the tune of the music. It's the same cadence.
I went the same direction. I tried to. I tried to be predictable
as could be. Yeah, you wore the same clothes, and it's just
you never bathed either. So it was sorry about that I did on purpose.
One time, I left the tank top that I wore for like a
week every night I slept in it. It was all sattered. I left
it on a tree in a way that I would know if it had got
messed with. Nothing happened for like ten days. The day I went up
to say it needs to get out of there, it's trash in the forest.
It had been messed with and rearranged and obviously examined. Yeah, well
we've got kind of a chronological series here. When when I bring Wayne in,
I want to take a brief pause from gifting and talk about a recent
photo that Stevesdall put up on his site and see what you guys think.
But we'll start, we'll start talking about gifting, and let's put that first
chronological one up steph and we can talk about that. So this was the
very first site, right, this is the Sasquatch Outpost gift site. That's
my signature glyph. I always built a little triangle like that with two cross
sticks at the across the base of the triangle that would get messed with.
I mean, you know, you can see there that that bottom stick is
on top. I'd come back in that bottom stick would be on the bottom.
It looked just looked just like it did, except it would have been
messed with in very subtle ways. But up there on that dead log is
a concretion, a couple of shells, a plastic do decahedron, a blue
jay feather, and a crow feather stuck through two holes in a deer time.
And I didn't know deer times were significant, but no, no,
we did find out that they were though. Yeah, and then a couple
days later the next slide is uh, that's how I came back to find
it. Two days later, nothing taken, but everything rearranged. And that's
the day that I moved. It happens to be my birthday. That's how
I can remember that, that's the day I moved to what I call the
bench gift site. So so looks like the feather, the big feather was
pulled out of the deer time, yes, and so that doesn't happen.
Wind and stuff doesn't do that. Well. Things were rotated, not really
moved in order, but rotated a little bit. The signature glyph was obviously
changed, yeah, markedly. And and that's part of what convinced me early
on was the subtlety of the changes. They weren't It's not like a bear
came through and scattered at or even and there was nothing a raccoon or a
squirrel would even want, but they wouldn't be careful about rearranging. These things
were all rotated or turned upside down, but left where they were, just
very Sometimes we thought that nothing had changed, so we looked at two pictures
and we realized everything was rotated in ninety degrees. It's just bizarre, yep.
And was there another photo in this particular h Let's see if there is
is. Stephanie doing this live. Yeah, well evidently not, or so
we can go to the next one. That the next one would be Okay,
this is what I call the bench gift site. I say there that
those four dead spruce sapling trees. The TPE is my manufacturer. Those are
actually aspen dead aspen saplings, and the gifts are then placed at a boulder
right at the base in the middle of that TPE. I just built that
TPG because it's it's kind of a clearing uphill from the I'm looking downhill.
It's kind of a clearing uphill with kind of a sparse aspen grove downhills,
mostly mixed spruce and ponderosa pine. But it's a steep incline and steep in
fact, down in that gully to the right is where my cousin, my
niece Lisa, was really late that year and seven pine cones were thrown at
a tree next to her there. Yeah, but she was down in that
gully. I was thinking she couldn't kind of scare her, didn't it.
She was just scared. Yeah. Yeah, it's very steep going up.
There's no trail anywhere near that, and so it was a good spot you
picked there because nobody would have any reason to go up there. There was
no You can't really see a trail from there. You can't see anybody there
from a trail, and we were always very careful to make sure no one
was on the trail either direction when we went up there. So, and
that summer, Jim together, you and I visited that site over forty times.
Yeah, and actually there were over forty gifts taken from that site just
that summer. Yeah, mostly deer times, but not all they loved.
They loved the deer times, lots of deer times. So is there another
slide there? Yeah, So that's just how I left it on that first
trip July nineteenth, with those kind of same gifts that had been at sasquat
chat Post gift site, except that now I have a blue jay feather and
a blue and a magpie feather stuck through two holes in that dear time.
And the next slide is a close up of that. So there's how I
left them July nineteenth, and the next slide is how I found them next.
So this is what I would normally do. I'd circle things and put
a marker on there when I sup supermposed the next photo, which is the
next slide, you can see where things were and now they've so obviously the
dear time and two feathers are missing. I thought they boat all three had
been taken. Other things were moved and rotated. It turns out the feathers
had been removed. After looking a while, I found the feathers. The
two of them had been broken in half and placed in a little pile down
at the base of the gift druck. That became a receptacle for subsequent feathers
too, which is very interesting, but again very subtle. I mean,
some things were taken, but the other things were just slightly moved like they
you think. They picked him up, looked at him, put him back,
tried to put him back where they were, but they never got it
exactly right. But those were the first gifts taken. Yeah, So this
is that same gift site. Then this is a couple of days later how
things were left, and again the next slide. Then that's a close up
of how things were left, and then here's how they were found the next
slide. So again the magpie feather removed from the shell and placed on the
ground right where the other feathers had been placed and things rotated and moved,
and it was the consistency that was also impressed and impressive to me that like
the feathers, always putting them in the same place. Yeah, but this
is this is I agree with you stone Picker that the the way, the
way you would do this, John was made it very obvious where things had
been moved to, because if you just look at two photos you can kind
of tell. But you doing this made it obvious. And I put in
the things that are more obvious. I mean there are some pictures that the
changes are really subtle, just things rotated maybe a few degrees or moved a
few inches. You know. It's yeah, yeah, And we would always
let's let's talk about what we would do when we would get to the site.
I got I've got flak for that. You talk about it so so
now there's no right or wrong. I'm convinced. But we would go up
to the site again. We would try to wear similar clothing. We would
get up to the site. We would we usually carried some type of wood
knocker with us. We would hit one particular dead asspen. We would hit
it once. We would we would investigate what had happened and what was going
on, and after we had done everything, taken all our photos, then
we would talk out loud to the Sasquatch, who we assumed were listening to
us, and we would say things like thank you for letting us be here,
thank you for looking out for us, taking care of us when we're
out here, and always something of that nature. And then we would do
this little ritual where we would we would we would turn it all four directions.
We would kind of put our hands up and this was just I know,
we actually put our hands up like this. We would the the reason
for doing this was to have consistency in doing the same thing, and so
we put our hands up for them to see that we had nothing in our
hands, and we would say Noma stay, which to the best of my
understanding, means the spirit in me sees the spirit in you, And so
we would we would say that and we would turn face to the next direction,
do all four directions. Then we would knock twice on the tree,
and then we would leave. And we tried to be very consistent, which
I think is why we had some of the events happened a little later that
happened, so you can laugh at what we did. I mean, it
was kind of silly, but again it was just to be consistently doing the
same thing and respect. I just show respect. I don't know that either
of us think that was essential, but it couldn't hurt, right, And
we both I'll say, Jim, you and I both have respect for nature
and we want to show that. Yeah, and so we we never left
garbage, we never urinated around there. We never did anything that would be
construed as disrespectful to them, and I think that that made a difference.
Is there another slide on that, on that particular one, Yeah, because
this is this one's really interesting in that it's obviously a lot more elaborate.
But those two deer times, there's a plastic bottom of a bottle with two
deer times above it. I actually put that plastic bottom over those deer times,
and then Stephanie the next slide, I put a heavy rock it must
weigh three or four pounds on top of that plastic thing. I came back
the next time the plastic was down on that connectinic bush just below the gift
site, and I said, oh, something's knocked the rock off and the
plastics down there. No show the next slide. The next slide, the
rock is back in place. So something removed the rock, removed the plastic
lid, took the deer times, put the plastic lid on the connectnik bush,
put the rock back where it was, not perfectly, it had been
rotated a little bit, but right back in position. Now that's got to
be a person or something else with hands and dexterity. And we have we
started putting the plastic animals out yet, I think, yes, I think
we had from the start. But they didn't really take any plastic animals at
first, not at first, but I remember putting a plastic dog that they
threw on the ground at the base of the rock. Yeah, by the
way the feathers down where the feathers kept getting put But I think we have
some pictures of some of the plastic yes, we do. So this was
interesting because there were six feathers. I think four of them were broken in
half or were put down where the other feathers had been. Two of them
were at other places, strategically located, I think. And the black turmaline
crystal, which had been taken days before, I think two visits before,
was now returned where the feathers in the feather pile. Yeah. I was
kind of disappointed because back when I was researching gifting, there was a woman
I think she was in Massachusetts who was gifting on a stump and something left
her eight dead field vice wrapped in dry grass and then each little packet tied
with a blade of dry grass like a string. Yeah, we are in
little like little mummies. I I did you include in your slides here the
feather stuck in the cow. No, I don't have a very good picture
of that, but that was a gift. It was left for us.
It was a blue It was a bluebird feather. Yeah, I do have
that. Let me hold a cow with an articulating neck and when we came
back, a bluebird feather had been stuck into the neck, sticking up verticals
like a flag. Yeah, let me see. Uh it was at this
gift site. Though it was at this gift site, and so be so
I think this is the last slides from this gift side. Let me look
real quick, yeah, Jennifer Doug. Doug and I have talked about this,
his theory about blue objects and moves to me, although they have moved
that. I had a blue ball that I used to leave that they would
move all over the place every time. Far. Yeah, and I've experimented
with this without much success. I'm just looking for this gift that I'll tell
you another gift that I've always admired that never happened to me. But there's
a woman in Kentucky that leaves all kinds of things a nice thing. She
leaves them on her portrail. I mean, she kind of lives in the
boonie, so it's not like she has to drive twenty five miles every visit,
so she leaves things every night. But she used to leave toy cars
lined up on the portrail. One car would be taken, like she'd leave
five toy cars, come back and the four of the five she left were
still there. There would be a new one there that replaced one that was
taken. Isn't that wonderful? Yes? Yes? That her Her name is
snow White Bigfoot snow YouTube thing. Yeah, Stephanie, I'm going to send
this to you and let you put it up all on just a second here,
I'm sorry, just take me a second here, But why don't you
tell us since we're on that gifting site, let's talk about two things real
quick. One the time we tried to get fingerprints on what happened. Yes,
well, we because we kept putting things under rocks, the rocks kept
getting moved. We knew that when we put plastic on top of the deer
times and rocks on top of that, the plastic will get moved. So
a mutual friend of ours you want to say it, who it is,
yeah, advises we could get fingerprints. We put deer times under a last
jar that had been steamed, polished and not touched with human hands. Yep,
with rocks on top of that. We came back and guess what The
glass jar was back on the Kinnecnick bush. The rocks were back in place,
the deer times were gone. I put at David's advice, I put
the took a stick and stuck it into the glass jar, and without touching
it, put it into a paper bag. Jim sent it off for fingerprints.
We got no fingerprints. Nothing. We did that a couple of times,
but they would get messed with every time the deer Times would be taken.
Another interesting thing is many times if we left a lot of deer times,
like eight or ten, only half of them would be taken, Yeah,
and half would be left. In fact, when we get to the
what I call the arch gift site, the last one, Jim, there's
an interest story to tell about the things we put into bottle. Yes,
and we put a lot of things the way. This is not going to
Stephanie. But I have a picture that I didn't include, but it's it
was taken one time. Excuse me, years ago. I had about twelve
or fifteen horses. The ones I valued the most and the ones I think
they liked the most were carved wooden ones, right plastic ones, and about
fifty deer times. All those deer times were taken. They took over sixty
deer times in a period of three years. But they took four or five
wooden horses from a variety of spots by the way, not even close to
here. They took horses over by Buffalo Peaks as well. But the interesting
thing, Dave Pilattius was the one we I was trying to get help from
on this fingerprints. And yeah, we were very careful not to touch this
glass in any way. Did you get that picture? We never saw any
prints either, And as Jim has said many times, they have kind of
greasy, Yeah, very greasy. So they if they touched car windows and
things like that, they normally leave kind of a waxy print. Yeah,
but we never saw those on our glasses. Nothing. Nothing. So here's
the picture of this little cow, like a playmobile cow with a feather stuck
upright in the articulation of the neck. Yeah, And we didn't do that,
and that didn't happen by itself. So but that's about all we got.
We did have them bring back two horses maybe a year or two years
after we put them out, yep. And they didn't bring them back exactly
to our site, but down in the gully next to it, and we
we didn't even notice. Friends that we brought up there one day looked down
there and said, what are those what are those plastic toys down there?
And sure enough it was those horses. Yeah. I was always disappointed because
some people that were gifting were given really interesting yeah, like woven twigs that
were woven into interesting little structures and things like that. Yeah, we never
got anything elaborate like that, but we did get a fantastic gift, which
was your siding. So tell us what happened about that, because that was
you there between the two sites we had Jim and I had two sidings.
They were only about a third of a mile apart, but it wasn't easy
to get directly from one to the other. We would normally go down to
a trail, up a trail, and up a third trail because the going
was much easier. This time, I decided to go across country. I
was alone. I got about halfway between the two, just about exactly halfway,
and I was well up away from the trail because I was going cross
country and moving slowly, and I heard a bark sounded. It was a
sharp, low, not very loud bark up mountain from me, and I'll
just bark like it was. So I'm looking up the mountain saying there's a
dog up here with me. I don't see anything. So after a short
time, I go ahead and intersect the trail, and I intersect then the
other trail, and I'm hiking up the mountain. Just before I go around
a curve, I hear behind me that same bark, and I looked down
the trail and there in the middle of the trail Jim and I later measured
it off fifty seven yards away is what looked like a big black burned tree
strum about my height, about six and a half feet tall, really broad.
But and then it just glided into the bushes. At first I thought
it was a person with a black parka over a backpack, and I yelled
hello, and no answer, and it went into the bushes, and I
thought it probably disappeared in the bushes. Later, when Jim and I went
up to recreate it, I could see Jim when he went into the bushes.
He couldn't run fast enough either. It just took a couple of steps
and was gone. Jim couldn't run fast enough. What's more, I could
see Jim's glasses and backpack and hat and just about read his SIT insignia on
his cap. And even Jim, when you got into the bushes, I
could see you. Yeah. Yeah. The thing just kind of went into
the bushes. And later I'm thinking maybe it got down on all fours or
something. Or The funny thing was we could we had phone reception out there,
and you called me and you said I saw I saw you. At
first, you said I saw a person near our gifting site, our second
gifting site. They were dressed all in black, wearing a black backpack and
they hid from me. Yeah, And I remember pausing in the phone call
and I said, that doesn't sound like a normal hiker, because people hiked
by us occasionally and they would just say hi, and we go by.
And then you realized, as you reflected, that couldn't have been a person.
Well, plus it was it was in the mid to high seventies that
day. Yeah, yeah, it was late morning. So yeah. So
two weeks after that, almost to the day, I took a friend of
mine, a gal who had been wanting to go out, and we went
out and we It was funny because we went back to our I know that
dead chipmunk story that was when you were at the the Apache Reservation. Wasn't
at Doug Mark Taylor showed me the picture of that thing on the tree tree
branch. But I went to the gifting side we had down by the stream
that we abandoned because we thought it was being compromised. But this was late.
This was ten o'clock at night, and I I took her through there,
and you remember it was a lot of dead fall trying to climb through
to get back in there, and I got in. We got in almost
to the site, and we heard these two howls, and I had this
really I don't get this very often. I had this really uncomfortable feeling that
we shouldn't be there and we should leave. So I just said to her,
I'm not happy being down here. Let's go back out to the trail.
So we went back out to the trail. We sat down, built
the little fire, sat there for till about one in the morning, and
then we started hiking back down the main trail towards the parking lot. And
it was a full moon, I remember that, and behind us we heard
the exact same thing and it was so exactly like you described. I said
to Julie, it's the same sasquatch. And we both turned around and there
was nothing in the trail that we could see, but it was maybe twenty
thirty yards behind us. It was very close, and no no campers anywhere.
This was in the middle of the week, and she had the night
vision and she looked back there. She couldn't see anything, but it was
that bark that just got me because I thought they're doing the exact same thing
they did to John, and unfortunately they didn't stay in the trail. So
yeah, Obviously, none of us can tell what a sasquatch might sasquatch might
be thinking no, but if I were forced to hazard a guess, it
would be that that one was thinking you hairless one. I tried to your
attention so I could make contact, and you didn't even see me. So
I'm gonna bring Wayne in now so he can he can join us give his
input on the the rest of the things we're going to show. Hey,
Wayne, Hey, Jim, John eighty real quick shout out to everybody who's
in the chat. You guys are great. Yeah, I we appreciate you.
Guys are always very active. So but Stephanie has to be the one
to make the decisions who whose comments she puts on the screen, who's she
doesn't. But she does a great job. So I want to take just
a quick break before we carry on, John, I wanna have Stephanie throw
up this first photo. So I saw this today. I was just just
going through some YouTube videos and I came on one of Steve's recent ones.
I don't know if it's the most recent one, but it and this is
the one that had one hundred thousand views, So this is he was.
He was showing this photo, and I just took a screenshot of it.
And it's interesting because his gut feeling was this not real. But it looks
like a railway track, maybe a narrow gauge. Doesn't look like a regular
railway track, but the so obviously night vision of some kind. So I
just played around with this a little bit, and I got in my Photoshop
and I, if you go down one slide, I copied the arm length
and I shifted I straightened the arm and I shifted it down so you can
see that if he straightened he or she straightened its arm, it was below
its knee. I mean, it's a very long arm. The shadow looks
off. Hold on a second. Let me Are you aware of Thinker Thunker's
PDA analysis method. He contends that humans have torsos, legs and arms that
are all pretty much equal length. Yeah, as Sasquatch or things purported to
be sasquatch have much longer arms than torso legs. Yeah, which this would
stand up to that. Yeah. So then I I don't know how wide
this rail is. I looked and looked and looked on Google, and I
could not find the width of a of a train rail anywhere they wanted to
give the width of the tracks, which was four feet in and half inches
for normal tracks and three feet something for a narrow gauge. So I don't
know if this was a narrow gauge or a regular one. So I just
made a little line and then measured the foot, So the foot was five
times or four times the width of that track. So let's say that track
is three inches wide, that would make the foot about a foot long.
So just you know, just trying to figure out could it be uh,
you know real? I mean, I'm curious what you guys think in chat?
What do you guys think? John and Wayne? Well, the unfortunate
thing is somebody just said, you know, if artificial intelligence you can just
about make a photo look like anything. Yeah, I agree with that thought,
Jeff. If a person could stand there even then later in the daytime,
then you could say, well that's how tall a person is. But
they didn't do they didn't have that. So you know that seems that,
you know, especially with AI out there now, I'm gonna be the ones
that I see anything else. It's just it's just a toss up, you
know, it's a coin toss it's getting good, you know, well AI
is getting very good. And uh, thank thank goodness. The Patterson Gimmem
film was pre yeah, absolute way way pre AI. So anyway, this
is just uh interesting. I don't have an opinion one or the other.
It's just interesting. But if it's real, uh, it's a If it's
a suit, it's a good suit. I'll give you that. But I
think it's definitely a real sasquatch on the right. Yeah. So yeah,
so we can take that down. So let's let's put up so this this
next one is uh, let's see what was this one? Once you put
it up, steph, No, it's the next, the next to power
point after this one. So this was at Buffalo Peaks. We John and
I took a family out there for a three day excursion. So tell them
about This was maybe thirty yards away from our campsite. No, this is
Thursday night, pretty close to the campsite. I'll show you a little bit
later how the tents and this site relate to another. There were three horses
left, plastic ones and the wooden a broken wooden one with broken ears.
The only thing taken and really the only thing re arranged, was that horse
on the left, the kind of orangey one, the broken wooden horse.
But that night I put out two audio recorders, and I think that's the
night that I not only smelled something that was just amazing. Yeah, you
mentioned that the next day, but in the middle of the night my audio
recorder. I didn't know this for a couple of weeks because I didn't didn't
review it, review it, but I heard my tent fly being unzipped and
then zipped back. It kind of went twice. Yeah, it's a good
thing you were asleep when that happened, because that would have been freak key.
Yeah, to have that happen while you're awake. And to the right
of this, we did. It's not in the picture. We put a
fresh steak on the ground that was totally untouched the whole time we were there.
Nothing touched it. What a waste of a good steak. Yeah,
it was so I did last summer put a steak out there at my Kenosha
East camp ground and nothing, nothing touched steak a hard crazy you think steak
would be so desirable for a coyote or a or something. Yeah, if
we're going to continue this little slide show, though, This is the arrangement
of the gym's tent, the Hoyman's tent, my tent, the audio recorders
in the gift site. But the kids and I I have I always carry
a walking stick. The two younger kids wanted walking sticks, so I carved
some walking sticks for them. We use them during that day and that night,
I think it was a Friday night, we leaned the walking sticks against
one tree that was the dining canopy was tied to the Next morning, Henry
Hoyman got up and said, I heard something rattling around the fire pit last
night and we found the three walking sticks. Let's see the next slide.
The three walking sticks and four pieces of three pieces of firewood had been lined
up pointing at the Hoyman's tent, which is interesting because none of us did
that during the Where that red line is the walking sticks and the sticks of
wood were lined up in a row pointing at the Hyman's tent door. Yeah,
and was that down below? Is that the road going in the road
is off to the right. Yeah, okay, And this is one of
my favorite tree structures. It's not I've seen a lot more elaborate ones.
It's just I think this one is so elegant, and I I firmly believe
that those three parallel limbs on the left of this structure are done with purpose,
either to suggest something, although that's not necessary I think. I don't
know if you guys are familiar with Christopher Noel's autistics savant theory, but I
firmly believed that they there's some evidence now that the autism might have been an
important thing in our revolution. As hunter gatherers and and sasquatch may be autistics
savant themselves, I do think they are interested in order. They do things
with tree structures for a reason. It may be that they recognize their environment,
just like that French guy that can fly over London or Paris for half
an hour and then totally he can draw every building, every building, every
window, every window in the right place, every floor, even flower pots
in the right places, and furniture on balconies in the right places. Sesscots
may have that kind of ability to be able to see scuff marks that weren't
there the day before. You know, see somebody's trail and know what sized
bootprint it is, know who was there. It's possible, John a lot
of the things that that I've left over the over the course of time are
are shiny objects or super colorful objects, And I agree with that theory.
There's some bit about there on the spectrum there, and I think that's always
guided me as trus what types of gifts I'm leaving. You know, things
that are they're going to pick up to want to look at both sides of
or you know, uh, contrasting colors, very bright colors and in some
degree of success. But you know, it's a learning process. I think
you're on the right track. I think it's a cool thing you're doing.
And there there is some behavior that lends itself to the autistic savant theory.
But yeah, I mean there's a lot about them that's a mystery still.
But was that the last one? Oh? This is interesting? Okay.
Now this is back by sasquat chat Post give site. This is a really
big spruce tree that has green needles on it. So this was done this
summer, the summer of twenty sixteen. It's eight inches at its base.
It's snapped off. It's the base is actually stuck up in a tree twenty
one feet above the ground. It's a thirty six foot long tree. It
weighs a bunch. It's far away from being able to get any kind of
heavy equipment there. It would take a bunch of I don't think a bunch
of humans could do that with by hand, because it was rammed. The
roots were rammed up into the other trees step roots, as you'll see on
the next photo. So it's headed the other way, but you can see
it's the snap end is up up in the tree, up and it's actually
a spruce that's such a up in a bunch of pines. I couldn't even
find where the base would have been. Yeah. The next slides then it
has all these broken spruce branches, all of them snapped, none of them
saw it or cut, scattered all over this camp site. And on the
on the fire pit are is a rectangular arrangement of half burned and unburned firewood
arranged in a in a square. It's just really strange. So that was
very near the Sasquatch Outpost gift site. Jim, Yeah, yeah, I
remember that, And we have to get back up there and see that tree
is still stuck up. Tell my story about how obviously I couldn't measure twenty
one feet. Yeah, tell us how you managed to get that. That's
an old woodsman's trick. The way you do that is you get a stick
that's the same length as your arm. You hold that stick by at the
base, and hold that base at the base of whatever you're trying to measure
the height of. You back up until the top is at the top you're
measuring. You've just created a right triangle with side A equal to side B.
Then you made measure side a. I just stepped it off seven strides
equal seven to twenty one feet. Did trig to get the thirty six feet,
So it's that's within ten percent air, I'd say, yeah, and
it was twenty one feet in the air. That twenty one feet stuck up
into those trees. Yeah. Bizarre, just a bizarre thing that John found.
So this is that's the one that you say is by the stream.
Yeah, that we eventually abandoned because we couldn't be sure that people didn't know
about it. But we had some interesting things on this one. Well,
probably the most significant thing about that one, and we'll go through this one
in a hurry, is that one day, eleven eleven angular rocks were left
on that in a circular arrangement. Well we'll see that in a photo.
But the day that was left was the day I was really excited. So
I was coming down the path singing as I always do. I love the
mountain, ZAI love the rolling gills, I love the prairie, I loved
the daffodils, and on and on, and I stopped to call Jim to
say, man, you wouldn't believe what happened at the gift site today.
And as I did that, I heard two hoops across the valley a fair
distance from me, and that I heard and felt four ground thumps to the
tune of the music for Cadence about two seconds a room boom, boom,
boom, and then click. And above me is a pine cone falling.
And so I'm looking up where that thing, expected to see a pine squirrel
or something, and here comes a pine cone over my head from behind me.
It's the tree in the same place. By this time, Jim is
calling me back. I was because my phone was down by my thigh,
I said, Jim. Something throwing pine cones at me. And so I
walked down to the tree and there were three hard, little green pine cones
that hadn't opened yet I actually put those on the gift site that day and
a couple of days later they had been taken. Yeah, so go to
the next slide here this is so yeah, that's again my signature glypt that
you know. I always tried to make it look the same and we would
try different things putting on these gifting sites. Oh yeah, so's there the
eleven rocks. Those had to be carried from some distance away because around that
gift rock the pine squirrels have just created pine duff like you wouldn't believe.
It's actually spongy. There are no rocks really back to the Rosalie or the
Logan Mount Logan trail, but it was almost like a pendant in the shape
of a pendant or something. Yeah. Yeah, it was really bizarre.
There's a better picture. And that was modified because see there are now there
are two pine cones kind of replacing some of the rocks up there. Yeah.
And then we came back and that that's a piece of black buffalo leather
with things on it, and that buffalo leather then will be on the other
side of the ring with items transposed. This is when we began thinking,
this is just wonder if humans doing it. Yeah, wonder if people are
messing with us. So we changed to another gift site that was even farther
off trail. Yeah, so let's keep going here and then we'll I think
this is the Oh yeah, now we to the the last I called the
Pine Arch gifts site. Yeah. I I came across this archway when I
was hiking up here one day on my own. This is probably a mile
and a half maybe two miles in from the car market, and I got
to this tree bent over the trail and you can see on the right hand
side of the trunk that it was split from the the stress of that thing
being bent down so fast, and that freaked me out, and I turned
around and went home. But we eventually had a gifting site. That tree
was our marker about where that gifting site was. So this is actually eighteen
eighteen things in a bottle. The next the next slide is what is in
the bottle, So ten deer times and then eight other assorted small things enough
to fit in the bottle, and two wood horses that don't fit in the
bottle, and then those are placed in the bottle with the cap back on.
When we came back two days later, five of the deer times were
gone. The cap was back on the bottle. Those were the only things
taken. Yeah, But then later we came back and all ten the remaining
five deer times were gone. One of the horses had been taken, but
the other eight ups were still in the bottle, the cap back on the
bottle. Then even later, Jim, you went there by yourself and found
that the whole bottle was gone, The bottle was gone, all the content.
Yes, And then I think even later one of those one of those
horses was brought back. Yeah. Bizarre things, just yeah, that's when
the times. Half the times had been taken and had to be screwed off.
Yeah, and that screwed back on, yeah, and again off trail.
There's nobody would know where this was. So I took my daughter there.
She's kind of a skeptic. I took her there in twenty eighteen and
I said, what do you think the chances of somebody just happening on this
site are? And she said impossible. Yeah, there'd be no way,
no reason. So so thank you John, I mean John and I.
It was very rich, very rich time of having things happen, having things
taken, having things added, citing, you know, vocalizations, all this,
all these things. So it was it was a fun time to be
doing this together. Well, Wayne is carrying on the tradition in fine fashion.
I'll tell you you're a tough act to follow. Yeah, the bar
is not except that high. So so Wayne and I, from my experience,
Wayne and I have tried let me think, one two. I think
we're on the third site, two of which we created, or maybe fourth
side, I can't remember, but two or three of them are on the
Meridian Trail, off Meridian Trail where John and I never went, and then
the the last we came back to the site John and I had. But
we have just not had the activity that John and I had. I don't
understand why not. But I don't know what you're thinking, is Wayne about
that? But we'll be honest with you, Jim. I think the biggest
thing is that we have not been consistent in our appearances out there as you
and on work. For one thing, I think that goes a long way,
and then identifying us, and you know, I think gifting personally,
I think gifting is a tool in the search and nothing else is to get
quite curious, you know, and then as as they get to know you,
then you know, then you get that interaction going. But you know,
and it's it's difficult. I'm about forty miles away from you, yeah,
and there the other day, you know. So, but we've had
some success, you know, We've had a few things. So the the
one very interesting thing we had was when you and Jason and I went backpacking
on off of Goose Creek Trail and you brought a few things that you that
I didn't even know you had put out. Actually you you didn't mention it,
and I never saw them. But right above our fire pit, our
fire pit was kind of on the edge of a slope, and there were
some boulders right above the fire pit, and you put them on top of
that boulder, and I never knew they were there, and right Jason did.
Neither. Jason had no idea as well, So neither of us would
have messed with them because we didn't know they were there. And we were
there three nights, I believe, and you checked it, You checked it
every morning. Nothing happened the first two days, and and you and I
had even sprinkled this powder. Tell us about this powder that we were trying
to experiment with. Yeah, it's a it's a powder that you look under
a black light under neon. And so my thought was, I'll sprinkle some
of this powder along, you know, by the gift side or across by
the ground and everything. Yet and then at night I just used my my
black light and see where the trail was. I'm pushing. They outsmarted us.
We didn't have foot print number one, No, not even one.
But I'm gonna try that again because I I think that's gonna work. They
I think they see us sprinkling stuff around the camp and they're like, what
are these guys doing. They're up to something. And they didn't come anywhere
near. But the last morning is we're getting ready to leave, I hear
this commotion and Wayne and Jason are laughing and talking and I didn't know what
was going on. So I go over there and tell them what you'd found.
Wayne. So I had put out a black round black rock, and
a lot of a couple of other lines, but the main was black rock,
and I was found that next morning it was a polished green rock that
is actually came from Australia. I asked a German person about it from Australia.
So I don't know how I got a polished green rock from Australia.
Do you have a picture and you throw that picture up? I do.
Let you grab that real quick. Yeah, let's see here. Yeah,
it looks like it came from a rock shop. I mean it was.
And this was two miles two and a half miles in on the Goose Creek
trail. Yeah, nobody around, nobody around, nobody around, give me
just one second. Year it was. It was part of the reason nobody's
arounds because it was like end of March and it was so cold. Man,
it was cold. Intelligent people don't get camping when it's that cold.
But but it was interesting to have that and the other things were still there,
weren't they. I believe they were. Yeah. In fact, the
last the only thing I had left was a blackstone, Yes, black rock.
So one for one. No, let's see here. I got this
one, Jim. I'm gonna show you while while I look for that said
that one and get that out of one point every click uh okay, okay,
okay, all right, let me get back here and m m hm
oh yeah, I see the to do this here The other thing was the
video, right, this is a video that you just uploaded here. Yeah,
okay, we can look at that too, But it's just interesting.
This rock came from nowhere near this campsite. It was clearly a polished rock.
So where they got it? I have no idea that's true. Joh
think in travel interesting intionally, then that's true. That would be Yeah,
Jim, I'm not sure. For some reason, I won't let me bring
it on screen. Maybe it's because it's a picture, but I'd say it
was just not common in everyday rock at all. So I was quite I'll
just second here I got it. Here we go, So this is where
Jim is leading some gifts out as well. And you were talking about what
had been moved on this rock. Okay, let's see here, like those
two marbles had been moved and the uh we go back to the beginning.
Here we go. Marbles are closer together, are structure here has been messed
with a little bit. M Yeah, but that transfer rates very slow through
this. Yeah it is. I didn't know that slow, you know.
But the other thing that I would say, Jim and John, is when
I went to Kenosa East this August when one of these times I had put
everything I have. I had probably fifty rocks out there, baby shoes,
deer tongs, whole bent and I had you know, I had placed these
clearer and blue colored rocks strategically on the back of my truck, so you
know, see if they come and do some geometry or whatever with it.
And out of everything I put out there, one rock had been turned over.
Out of everything, just one rock was turned over, and I had
video did what I put it out and afterwards, So I mean, you
know, that's like fifty items out there, and they messed with one of
the items, so you know it's it's I guess it's a crap shoot.
But if nothing else, Jim lads another layer of that thrill to the starch.
You know. Well, we always were always interested when we go out
a few days after putting things out and this kind of the anticipation of what
have they moved, what have they added? You know, what have they
changed? Because it's a it's it's exciting. Let's put that one coming up
there from uh Terry. Have we ruled out Ravens, Well not no,
but Ravens would tend to take things I think and so when things are left
and just rotated and rearranged, I don't believe it's ravens. Certainly they can't
unscrew and screw bottles. But yeah, I can't rule out ravens. I
mean, because they are attracted by shiny things, interesting things, So that's
certainly a possibility. I wouldn't rule that out. But and we haven't ruled
out people. No. No, however of us would agree that people is
unlikely. That phenomenon is unlikely because of where we chose to put these things.
So yeah, I think that last spot was what we hired John Haun
John, Yeah, that's found away from the parking lot, you know.
Yeah, it just it just seems like every time you go up there's another
ten to fifteen feet up. You know, it feels like it. It
feels like it. But you know, Jim, it's become to the point
now with gifting is such there's so many possibilities that I've become more enthralled now
about staying up all night and listening to what's going on outside outside the table
of the camper. That last recording we got when we were hunting, that's
totally fascinating me. Now, so well, and I think I mentioned that
when we were out hunting the second morning, we had closed the door of
the pop up, latched the two top leatches, and put your dead bolt
in the bottom. And at four thirty am, I wake up to start
getting my warm clothes on, and the door's wide open. I said,
dude, the door is open, and the and the dead boat was lying
on the floor of the popeye had been pulled off the door. The door
had been pulled so hard the epoxy came away from the and I'm like,
Okay, I don't know who that was or what that was. I don't
even want to think about it because I didn't hear anything. Man, We
didn't hear anything. We were both neither of us heard anything. And so
it's scary to think a person, for one, could have opened the door
and come in and we never even knew it. And we both had guns
right next to our beds and they were still there, and so just but
you're vulnerable, man, it's just your you just think. Man, anything
could have happened. They could have murdered us in our sleep if it was
a person. But the door was open and it had been wrenched open.
This only way that door got open. I'm convinced. So well, you
know, again, I didn't hear anything, Jimmy. You know, I'm
a light sleeper, you know, I didn't hear anything, but yeah,
you know, I think that would be part of the excitement. What what's
out there? You know, Yeah, what's out there? And what what
it could potentially do to us? But they don't, right, So am
I going to get to see bake foot tonight? Yeah? Well, listen,
it's it's awesome to have both of you, and thank you for your
contributions tonight about gifting. And we're still learning, you guys, were we
still have a lot to learn. We don't have the market cornered on gifting
or anything else to do with sasquatch. But we've tried a lot of things,
and we've found things that work better than other things, and and hopefully
we're we're getting closer to communicating with them in a way that makes sense to
them and hopefully to us. And that's the goal we want to understand it.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna try to be like Johnny, keep a better
description of what I leave when I left out, you know, because I'm
embarrassed right now. Yeah, John's very thorough. I got to give him
that after every visit. And yeah, because I have my notes. You
are just awesome man, that's awesome. Thank you. So we'll we'll try
and be uh more consistent this coming summer. Wayne, I'm getting texts from
young grandson that says, Papa looks happy. I love it. I love
it. Well. You both great friends and your great research partners, and
I appreciate both of you very much. So likewise, thanks for for being
Yeah, you're right. So we're gonna carry on next week. And I
I alluded to this last week. I got my weeks mixed up, but
I do have some very exciting eyewitness accounts this coming Tuesday, So hopefully my
knee shouldn't affect any in any way me doing the podcast. So you guys
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