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I have left some rocks. I
left an ivory elephant, two blue rocks,

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pink red, and a clear added
some four sticks here so see what

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happens next time. Welcome everyone to
tonight's episode of the Sasquatch out Post podcast,

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your favorite podcast every week. I
appreciate you guys being tuned in this

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evening, and I think there's a
bunch of you. I appreciate our faithful

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following. You guys are awesome to
be tuning in every week, and I

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think we're averaging somewhere around one hundred
watching live each week, which is awesome.

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We started off in the fifties,
so we've grown considerably. I'm going

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to show you something tonight from Steve
Isdall's site. He only has three hundred

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and fifteen thousand subscribers and one hundred
thousand views every podcast. So that's our

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goal. One hundred thousand views every
week. Wouldn't that be awesome? And

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all I have to do is just
read a bunch of emails off my phone

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and I'll be up there before you
know it. So no nothing against Steve.

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I think Steve is awesome. I
think he's done a lot for the

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Sasquatch research cause and informing people about
sasquatch and no, it's great. By

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the way, if you have a
story of an encounter, or you know

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someone who has the story of an
encounter, please let us know. And

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Steph, would you put my email, my Mountain Jim email up there for

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them to write to if they have
a story or know someone has a story,

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because I've got some great stories coming
up in the next few weeks.

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But I'm always looking for good eyewitness
accounts because that's what people love to hear

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so and that's where we learn.
It's from other people's experiences. But this

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Friday, I I'm gonna have surgery
on my knee. Finally, I'm gonna

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have them clean up the meniscus tear
and hopefully give me some relief. He

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told me, My orthopedic guy told
me. Yeah, he said, you're

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looking at the replacement coming up,
And so I'm gonna ask him after he's

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gone inside there. So how long
do you think I'm looking at? You

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know, part of me thinks,
if that's something that has to happen down

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the road, it's better to do
it when I'm younger than when i'm older.

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For for healing and recuperation. But
hey, Patricia, nice to see

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you in there. But I'm gonna
talk to him about that and see what

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he thinks. But I've got I
got something fun to show you, guys.

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This is something that I saw not
too long ago. So I have

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cameras around the outside of my building
security cameras, and I have three,

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let's see or two cameras inside,
one of which is in the room where

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the are resident a bigfoot or two
bigfoots plural live the Bosston Junior. And

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when I turn on the notification thing
at night for motion get I get all

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these alerts. And I kept trying
to figure out why is this, what's

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setting this thing off? Because if
the boss starts going off in the night,

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that's gonna freak me out. It
has happened where I've gone in early,

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like six am or something, and
I hear him back in there going

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and I'm like, Okay, there's
nobody back there. What in the world

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is setting him off? And so
yeah, Steph, if you hear him,

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you let me know when you go
in in the morning. I haven't

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heard it lately. But he's harmless. He's under strict instructions to stay back

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behind the tree. So but anyway, I noticed something I want to see

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if you guys noticed this. So
let's play that video and leave me on

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with it. And I want to
comment as we're showing it. Oh it's

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not there, what is it?
Oh that's right, we can't, we

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can't, Okay, So just show
the video. Okay, that's fine.

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Just let me talk about it and
then play it again. But these these

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things are just floating around the room. I'll I'll look at the camera ten

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minutes later and there's absolutely nothing in
the air, and so these things set

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off. It's not dirt, it's
not bugs. They're all perfectly round,

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and they just float around in there. And don't ask me why, don't

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ask me where they come from.
But let's just show that one more time,

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and you guys watch closely. It's
really interesting. So I've been back

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in there after hours, and the
weird thing is I can see them if

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I hold up my iPhone, I
can see them through the camera. I

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can't see them with my naked eye, but I can follow it. I

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can follow them around the room with
my camera, and and they don't they

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don't dissipate, they don't disappear.
I can just follow them wherever they're going

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around the room. It is really
interesting. So what is it about the

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Sasquatch out post that makes these things
come out? I don't know, but

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yeah there that's just a mystery to
me. So my first guests, and

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I'm gonna bring Wayne on a little
bit. My first guest is someone I

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brought on earlier in the season,
like episode what was it six? I

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think John, But John Warm was
my research partner for quite a few years,

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and a lot of you weren't watching
back then, and so John and

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I had tons of experiences together and
particularly around the idea of gifting. So

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I'm going to bring John in and
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superchats and stickers now. Welcome back John,

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Thank you. I'm really glad that
she could be with us tonight,

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and we have got a ton of
stuff to show you guys, both with

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John and with Wayne. So buckle
up, you're gonna this is This is

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gifting one O one, and there's
a ton of information because John and I

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did this together for how many years? Was it? John? Seriously?

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For three years? Twenty sixteen through
twenty eighteen. When did you move to

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the springs twenty twenty? Okay,
in the in the late winter twenty twenty,

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But in twenty nineteen we kind of
tapered off. We may have done

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a few times, but by then
we were Yeah, it was a chour.

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I lived twenty twenty five miles from
the site, Yeah, and the

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last couple of miles were a pretty
rugged hey, and then we had to

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hike. Yeah, And and but
we were up there a lot in those

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three years, and and we saw
tons of tons of things happen. And

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John had a siding which we'll talk
about and a little bit. But yeah,

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So tell us just a little bit
about yourself, John, your background,

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and before we get into the thing. I'm a geologist. I've spent

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a fair bit of time out in
the wilds, although I'd say until twenty

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fourteen I was not really a Sasquatch
fan. I had known about the Patterson

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Ginlin film. I was aware of
the controversy, not really involved in it

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or even interested until in twenty fourteen
I heard on Denver News Channel that two

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women in Bailey had had a sight. They were friends of Jim and I

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forgot her name, but she was
interviewed on the news and I thought,

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well, she's believable, that there's
no reason for her to be fabricating anything.

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No, and so I started reading
literature and read a lot about gifting.

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That's really how I got interested in
gifting was through the literature. And

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then in early twenty sixteen, late
May, I saw that Sasquatch Outpost and

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Jim Myers was leading an overnight trip
back into the Boonies to hopefully commune with

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Sasquatch. So I signed up in
a small group of us. We met

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at Sasquatch Outpost about ten and by
eleven we were back hiking up Deer Creek

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and we sat waiting to get responses
and never got anything. But on the

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way to and from we saw lots
of tree structures. There was a kid

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from he was a junior at devil
In High School, one of a triplet

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that was interested in Sasquatch and he
had all kinds of energy, and he

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was all over different sides of the
trail, finding tree structures and finding them

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in the dark, and found some
wonderful ones. So that was a certainly

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positive thing. And then on the
way back we stopped at Sasquatch out Post

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gift site and I started gifting.
And over the next month and a half,

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i'd say I went up about every
second or third day. Nothing was

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taken in that month and a half, but things were always rearranged. The

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reason I knew that is I would
take a picture yep, way I'd leave

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things, and I'd come back and
try to get the camera in the same

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position and take a picture how I
found things. I wouldn't have even noticed

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that some of the things had been
rotated or turned over. The trees,

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the glyph structure that I would leave
would have been messed with, a branch

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that had been on top was now
on the bottom. Those sorts of things

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really subtle things, not always subtle, but many times subtle. Nothing was

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taken. So I'd say in mid
July of twenty sixteen, I thinking that

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too many people knew about Sasquatch out
Post gifts side, and I may have

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been messed with by a human.
I moved to a place only I knew

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about, not far off the trail, but up a really steep incline.

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I just walked up that incline until
I got to a break and slope and

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there was a big moss covered boulder
that looked like a natural altar. And

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I built a little tepee of four
I say in a slide here, I

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say spruce saplings. They're actually aspen
saplings, dead aspen saplings. Made a

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little TP just because it looked like
a flag over the gift site. I

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started leaving gifts there, and sure
enough, the very first day I left

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gifts came back two days later gifts
had been taken. So that's how I

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got into the Sasquatch, and that's
how I got into gifting, and that's

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how I met Jim. And Jim
and I continued gifting at that site.

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Then made another site that we used
in twenty sixteen, a third one that

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we used in twenty seventeen. In
twenty eighteen, with quite a bit of

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activity at all the gift sites,
every site, every site, we had

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activity and just about every day.
Yeah, and it's it's true that it

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does take repetition, it does take
going up often. But when Wayne gets

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on a little bit, we'll talk. But he and I have never had

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the activity that you and I had. John So and I wore the same

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clothes every time I sang the same
songs. I used the same walking stick,

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I tapped to the tune of the
music. It's the same cadence.

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I went the same direction. I
tried to. I tried to be predictable

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as could be. Yeah, you
wore the same clothes, and it's just

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you never bathed either. So it
was sorry about that I did on purpose.

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One time, I left the tank
top that I wore for like a

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week every night I slept in it. It was all sattered. I left

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it on a tree in a way
that I would know if it had got

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messed with. Nothing happened for like
ten days. The day I went up

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to say it needs to get out
of there, it's trash in the forest.

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It had been messed with and rearranged
and obviously examined. Yeah, well

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we've got kind of a chronological series
here. When when I bring Wayne in,

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I want to take a brief pause
from gifting and talk about a recent

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photo that Stevesdall put up on his
site and see what you guys think.

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But we'll start, we'll start talking
about gifting, and let's put that first

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chronological one up steph and we can
talk about that. So this was the

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very first site, right, this
is the Sasquatch Outpost gift site. That's

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my signature glyph. I always built
a little triangle like that with two cross

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sticks at the across the base of
the triangle that would get messed with.

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I mean, you know, you
can see there that that bottom stick is

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on top. I'd come back in
that bottom stick would be on the bottom.

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It looked just looked just like it
did, except it would have been

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messed with in very subtle ways.
But up there on that dead log is

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a concretion, a couple of shells, a plastic do decahedron, a blue

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jay feather, and a crow feather
stuck through two holes in a deer time.

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And I didn't know deer times were
significant, but no, no,

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we did find out that they were
though. Yeah, and then a couple

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days later the next slide is uh, that's how I came back to find

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it. Two days later, nothing
taken, but everything rearranged. And that's

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the day that I moved. It
happens to be my birthday. That's how

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I can remember that, that's the
day I moved to what I call the

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bench gift site. So so looks
like the feather, the big feather was

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pulled out of the deer time,
yes, and so that doesn't happen.

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Wind and stuff doesn't do that.
Well. Things were rotated, not really

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moved in order, but rotated a
little bit. The signature glyph was obviously

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changed, yeah, markedly. And
and that's part of what convinced me early

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on was the subtlety of the changes. They weren't It's not like a bear

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came through and scattered at or even
and there was nothing a raccoon or a

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squirrel would even want, but they
wouldn't be careful about rearranging. These things

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were all rotated or turned upside down, but left where they were, just

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very Sometimes we thought that nothing had
changed, so we looked at two pictures

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and we realized everything was rotated in
ninety degrees. It's just bizarre, yep.

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And was there another photo in this
particular h Let's see if there is

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is. Stephanie doing this live.
Yeah, well evidently not, or so

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we can go to the next one. That the next one would be Okay,

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this is what I call the bench
gift site. I say there that

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those four dead spruce sapling trees.
The TPE is my manufacturer. Those are

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actually aspen dead aspen saplings, and
the gifts are then placed at a boulder

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right at the base in the middle
of that TPE. I just built that

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TPG because it's it's kind of a
clearing uphill from the I'm looking downhill.

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It's kind of a clearing uphill with
kind of a sparse aspen grove downhills,

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mostly mixed spruce and ponderosa pine.
But it's a steep incline and steep in

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fact, down in that gully to
the right is where my cousin, my

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niece Lisa, was really late that
year and seven pine cones were thrown at

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a tree next to her there.
Yeah, but she was down in that

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gully. I was thinking she couldn't
kind of scare her, didn't it.

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She was just scared. Yeah.
Yeah, it's very steep going up.

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There's no trail anywhere near that,
and so it was a good spot you

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picked there because nobody would have any
reason to go up there. There was

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no You can't really see a trail
from there. You can't see anybody there

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from a trail, and we were
always very careful to make sure no one

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was on the trail either direction when
we went up there. So, and

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that summer, Jim together, you
and I visited that site over forty times.

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Yeah, and actually there were over
forty gifts taken from that site just

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that summer. Yeah, mostly deer
times, but not all they loved.

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They loved the deer times, lots
of deer times. So is there another

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slide there? Yeah, So that's
just how I left it on that first

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trip July nineteenth, with those kind
of same gifts that had been at sasquat

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chat Post gift site, except that
now I have a blue jay feather and

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a blue and a magpie feather stuck
through two holes in that dear time.

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And the next slide is a close
up of that. So there's how I

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left them July nineteenth, and the
next slide is how I found them next.

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So this is what I would normally
do. I'd circle things and put

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a marker on there when I sup
supermposed the next photo, which is the

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next slide, you can see where
things were and now they've so obviously the

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dear time and two feathers are missing. I thought they boat all three had

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been taken. Other things were moved
and rotated. It turns out the feathers

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had been removed. After looking a
while, I found the feathers. The

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two of them had been broken in
half and placed in a little pile down

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at the base of the gift druck. That became a receptacle for subsequent feathers

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too, which is very interesting,
but again very subtle. I mean,

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some things were taken, but the
other things were just slightly moved like they

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you think. They picked him up, looked at him, put him back,

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tried to put him back where they
were, but they never got it

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exactly right. But those were the
first gifts taken. Yeah, So this

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is that same gift site. Then
this is a couple of days later how

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things were left, and again the
next slide. Then that's a close up

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of how things were left, and
then here's how they were found the next

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slide. So again the magpie feather
removed from the shell and placed on the

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ground right where the other feathers had
been placed and things rotated and moved,

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and it was the consistency that was
also impressed and impressive to me that like

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the feathers, always putting them in
the same place. Yeah, but this

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is this is I agree with you
stone Picker that the the way, the

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way you would do this, John
was made it very obvious where things had

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been moved to, because if you
just look at two photos you can kind

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of tell. But you doing this
made it obvious. And I put in

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the things that are more obvious.
I mean there are some pictures that the

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changes are really subtle, just things
rotated maybe a few degrees or moved a

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few inches. You know. It's
yeah, yeah, And we would always

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let's let's talk about what we would
do when we would get to the site.

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I got I've got flak for that. You talk about it so so

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now there's no right or wrong.
I'm convinced. But we would go up

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to the site again. We would
try to wear similar clothing. We would

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get up to the site. We
would we usually carried some type of wood

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knocker with us. We would hit
one particular dead asspen. We would hit

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it once. We would we would
investigate what had happened and what was going

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on, and after we had done
everything, taken all our photos, then

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we would talk out loud to the
Sasquatch, who we assumed were listening to

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us, and we would say things
like thank you for letting us be here,

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thank you for looking out for us, taking care of us when we're

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out here, and always something of
that nature. And then we would do

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this little ritual where we would we
would we would turn it all four directions.

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We would kind of put our hands
up and this was just I know,

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we actually put our hands up like
this. We would the the reason

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for doing this was to have consistency
in doing the same thing, and so

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we put our hands up for them
to see that we had nothing in our

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hands, and we would say Noma
stay, which to the best of my

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understanding, means the spirit in me
sees the spirit in you, And so

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we would we would say that and
we would turn face to the next direction,

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do all four directions. Then we
would knock twice on the tree,

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and then we would leave. And
we tried to be very consistent, which

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I think is why we had some
of the events happened a little later that

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happened, so you can laugh at
what we did. I mean, it

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was kind of silly, but again
it was just to be consistently doing the

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same thing and respect. I just
show respect. I don't know that either

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of us think that was essential,
but it couldn't hurt, right, And

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we both I'll say, Jim,
you and I both have respect for nature

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and we want to show that.
Yeah, and so we we never left

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garbage, we never urinated around there. We never did anything that would be

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construed as disrespectful to them, and
I think that that made a difference.

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Is there another slide on that,
on that particular one, Yeah, because

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this is this one's really interesting in
that it's obviously a lot more elaborate.

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But those two deer times, there's
a plastic bottom of a bottle with two

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deer times above it. I actually
put that plastic bottom over those deer times,

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and then Stephanie the next slide,
I put a heavy rock it must

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weigh three or four pounds on top
of that plastic thing. I came back

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the next time the plastic was down
on that connectinic bush just below the gift

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site, and I said, oh, something's knocked the rock off and the

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plastics down there. No show the
next slide. The next slide, the

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rock is back in place. So
something removed the rock, removed the plastic

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lid, took the deer times,
put the plastic lid on the connectnik bush,

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put the rock back where it was, not perfectly, it had been

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rotated a little bit, but right
back in position. Now that's got to

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be a person or something else with
hands and dexterity. And we have we

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started putting the plastic animals out yet, I think, yes, I think

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we had from the start. But
they didn't really take any plastic animals at

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first, not at first, but
I remember putting a plastic dog that they

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threw on the ground at the base
of the rock. Yeah, by the

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way the feathers down where the feathers
kept getting put But I think we have

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some pictures of some of the plastic
yes, we do. So this was

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interesting because there were six feathers.
I think four of them were broken in

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half or were put down where the
other feathers had been. Two of them

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were at other places, strategically located, I think. And the black turmaline

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crystal, which had been taken days
before, I think two visits before,

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was now returned where the feathers in
the feather pile. Yeah. I was

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kind of disappointed because back when I
was researching gifting, there was a woman

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I think she was in Massachusetts who
was gifting on a stump and something left

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her eight dead field vice wrapped in
dry grass and then each little packet tied

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with a blade of dry grass like
a string. Yeah, we are in

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little like little mummies. I I
did you include in your slides here the

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feather stuck in the cow. No, I don't have a very good picture

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of that, but that was a
gift. It was left for us.

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It was a blue It was a
bluebird feather. Yeah, I do have

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that. Let me hold a cow
with an articulating neck and when we came

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back, a bluebird feather had been
stuck into the neck, sticking up verticals

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like a flag. Yeah, let
me see. Uh it was at this

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gift site. Though it was at
this gift site, and so be so

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I think this is the last slides
from this gift side. Let me look

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real quick, yeah, Jennifer Doug. Doug and I have talked about this,

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his theory about blue objects and moves
to me, although they have moved

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that. I had a blue ball
that I used to leave that they would

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move all over the place every time. Far. Yeah, and I've experimented

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with this without much success. I'm
just looking for this gift that I'll tell

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you another gift that I've always admired
that never happened to me. But there's

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a woman in Kentucky that leaves all
kinds of things a nice thing. She

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leaves them on her portrail. I
mean, she kind of lives in the

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boonie, so it's not like she
has to drive twenty five miles every visit,

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so she leaves things every night.
But she used to leave toy cars

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lined up on the portrail. One
car would be taken, like she'd leave

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five toy cars, come back and
the four of the five she left were

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still there. There would be a
new one there that replaced one that was

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taken. Isn't that wonderful? Yes? Yes? That her Her name is

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snow White Bigfoot snow YouTube thing.
Yeah, Stephanie, I'm going to send

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this to you and let you put
it up all on just a second here,

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I'm sorry, just take me a
second here, But why don't you

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tell us since we're on that gifting
site, let's talk about two things real

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quick. One the time we tried
to get fingerprints on what happened. Yes,

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well, we because we kept putting
things under rocks, the rocks kept

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getting moved. We knew that when
we put plastic on top of the deer

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times and rocks on top of that, the plastic will get moved. So

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a mutual friend of ours you want
to say it, who it is,

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yeah, advises we could get fingerprints. We put deer times under a last

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jar that had been steamed, polished
and not touched with human hands. Yep,

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with rocks on top of that.
We came back and guess what The

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glass jar was back on the Kinnecnick
bush. The rocks were back in place,

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the deer times were gone. I
put at David's advice, I put

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the took a stick and stuck it
into the glass jar, and without touching

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it, put it into a paper
bag. Jim sent it off for fingerprints.

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We got no fingerprints. Nothing.
We did that a couple of times,

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but they would get messed with every
time the deer Times would be taken.

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Another interesting thing is many times if
we left a lot of deer times,

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like eight or ten, only half
of them would be taken, Yeah,

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and half would be left. In
fact, when we get to the

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what I call the arch gift site, the last one, Jim, there's

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an interest story to tell about the
things we put into bottle. Yes,

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and we put a lot of things
the way. This is not going to

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Stephanie. But I have a picture
that I didn't include, but it's it

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was taken one time. Excuse me, years ago. I had about twelve

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or fifteen horses. The ones I
valued the most and the ones I think

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they liked the most were carved wooden
ones, right plastic ones, and about

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fifty deer times. All those deer
times were taken. They took over sixty

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deer times in a period of three
years. But they took four or five

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wooden horses from a variety of spots
by the way, not even close to

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here. They took horses over by
Buffalo Peaks as well. But the interesting

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thing, Dave Pilattius was the one
we I was trying to get help from

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on this fingerprints. And yeah,
we were very careful not to touch this

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glass in any way. Did you
get that picture? We never saw any

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prints either, And as Jim has
said many times, they have kind of

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greasy, Yeah, very greasy.
So they if they touched car windows and

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things like that, they normally leave
kind of a waxy print. Yeah,

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but we never saw those on our
glasses. Nothing. Nothing. So here's

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the picture of this little cow,
like a playmobile cow with a feather stuck

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upright in the articulation of the neck. Yeah, And we didn't do that,

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and that didn't happen by itself.
So but that's about all we got.

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We did have them bring back two
horses maybe a year or two years

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after we put them out, yep. And they didn't bring them back exactly

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to our site, but down in
the gully next to it, and we

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we didn't even notice. Friends that
we brought up there one day looked down

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there and said, what are those
what are those plastic toys down there?

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And sure enough it was those horses. Yeah. I was always disappointed because

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some people that were gifting were given
really interesting yeah, like woven twigs that

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were woven into interesting little structures and
things like that. Yeah, we never

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got anything elaborate like that, but
we did get a fantastic gift, which

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was your siding. So tell us
what happened about that, because that was

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you there between the two sites we
had Jim and I had two sidings.

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They were only about a third of
a mile apart, but it wasn't easy

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to get directly from one to the
other. We would normally go down to

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a trail, up a trail,
and up a third trail because the going

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was much easier. This time,
I decided to go across country. I

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was alone. I got about halfway
between the two, just about exactly halfway,

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and I was well up away from
the trail because I was going cross

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country and moving slowly, and I
heard a bark sounded. It was a

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sharp, low, not very loud
bark up mountain from me, and I'll

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just bark like it was. So
I'm looking up the mountain saying there's a

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dog up here with me. I
don't see anything. So after a short

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time, I go ahead and intersect
the trail, and I intersect then the

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other trail, and I'm hiking up
the mountain. Just before I go around

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a curve, I hear behind me
that same bark, and I looked down

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the trail and there in the middle
of the trail Jim and I later measured

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it off fifty seven yards away is
what looked like a big black burned tree

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strum about my height, about six
and a half feet tall, really broad.

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But and then it just glided into
the bushes. At first I thought

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it was a person with a black
parka over a backpack, and I yelled

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hello, and no answer, and
it went into the bushes, and I

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thought it probably disappeared in the bushes. Later, when Jim and I went

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up to recreate it, I could
see Jim when he went into the bushes.

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He couldn't run fast enough either.
It just took a couple of steps

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and was gone. Jim couldn't run
fast enough. What's more, I could

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see Jim's glasses and backpack and hat
and just about read his SIT insignia on

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his cap. And even Jim,
when you got into the bushes, I

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could see you. Yeah. Yeah. The thing just kind of went into

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the bushes. And later I'm thinking
maybe it got down on all fours or

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something. Or The funny thing was
we could we had phone reception out there,

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and you called me and you said
I saw I saw you. At

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first, you said I saw a
person near our gifting site, our second

408
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gifting site. They were dressed all
in black, wearing a black backpack and

409
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,239
they hid from me. Yeah,
And I remember pausing in the phone call

410
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,559
and I said, that doesn't sound
like a normal hiker, because people hiked

411
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,519
by us occasionally and they would just
say hi, and we go by.

412
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,239
And then you realized, as you
reflected, that couldn't have been a person.

413
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Well, plus it was it was
in the mid to high seventies that

414
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,800
day. Yeah, yeah, it
was late morning. So yeah. So

415
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,960
two weeks after that, almost to
the day, I took a friend of

416
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,199
mine, a gal who had been
wanting to go out, and we went

417
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:34,920
out and we It was funny because
we went back to our I know that

418
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:39,760
dead chipmunk story that was when you
were at the the Apache Reservation. Wasn't

419
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,119
at Doug Mark Taylor showed me the
picture of that thing on the tree tree

420
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:52,199
branch. But I went to the
gifting side we had down by the stream

421
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,119
that we abandoned because we thought it
was being compromised. But this was late.

422
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,639
This was ten o'clock at night,
and I I took her through there,

423
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:05,920
and you remember it was a lot
of dead fall trying to climb through

424
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,000
to get back in there, and
I got in. We got in almost

425
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,400
to the site, and we heard
these two howls, and I had this

426
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:22,239
really I don't get this very often. I had this really uncomfortable feeling that

427
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,360
we shouldn't be there and we should
leave. So I just said to her,

428
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,000
I'm not happy being down here.
Let's go back out to the trail.

429
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,599
So we went back out to the
trail. We sat down, built

430
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:40,360
the little fire, sat there for
till about one in the morning, and

431
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,719
then we started hiking back down the
main trail towards the parking lot. And

432
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,559
it was a full moon, I
remember that, and behind us we heard

433
00:39:52,599 --> 00:40:00,519
the exact same thing and it was
so exactly like you described. I said

434
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:05,079
to Julie, it's the same sasquatch. And we both turned around and there

435
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,199
was nothing in the trail that we
could see, but it was maybe twenty

436
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:15,840
thirty yards behind us. It was
very close, and no no campers anywhere.

437
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,840
This was in the middle of the
week, and she had the night

438
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,639
vision and she looked back there.
She couldn't see anything, but it was

439
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,800
that bark that just got me because
I thought they're doing the exact same thing

440
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,280
they did to John, and unfortunately
they didn't stay in the trail. So

441
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:36,599
yeah, Obviously, none of us
can tell what a sasquatch might sasquatch might

442
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,000
be thinking no, but if I
were forced to hazard a guess, it

443
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,320
would be that that one was thinking
you hairless one. I tried to your

444
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,840
attention so I could make contact,
and you didn't even see me. So

445
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,920
I'm gonna bring Wayne in now so
he can he can join us give his

446
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,800
input on the the rest of the
things we're going to show. Hey,

447
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:02,280
Wayne, Hey, Jim, John
eighty real quick shout out to everybody who's

448
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,719
in the chat. You guys are
great. Yeah, I we appreciate you.

449
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Guys are always very active. So
but Stephanie has to be the one

450
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,280
to make the decisions who whose comments
she puts on the screen, who's she

451
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:25,920
doesn't. But she does a great
job. So I want to take just

452
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,760
a quick break before we carry on, John, I wanna have Stephanie throw

453
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,519
up this first photo. So I
saw this today. I was just just

454
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:42,119
going through some YouTube videos and I
came on one of Steve's recent ones.

455
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:50,119
I don't know if it's the most
recent one, but it and this is

456
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,639
the one that had one hundred thousand
views, So this is he was.

457
00:41:54,119 --> 00:42:01,559
He was showing this photo, and
I just took a screenshot of it.

458
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:12,480
And it's interesting because his gut feeling
was this not real. But it looks

459
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:17,400
like a railway track, maybe a
narrow gauge. Doesn't look like a regular

460
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:30,360
railway track, but the so obviously
night vision of some kind. So I

461
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,480
just played around with this a little
bit, and I got in my Photoshop

462
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:43,159
and I, if you go down
one slide, I copied the arm length

463
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:50,320
and I shifted I straightened the arm
and I shifted it down so you can

464
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,119
see that if he straightened he or
she straightened its arm, it was below

465
00:42:54,159 --> 00:43:01,119
its knee. I mean, it's
a very long arm. The shadow looks

466
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:08,159
off. Hold on a second.
Let me Are you aware of Thinker Thunker's

467
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:17,480
PDA analysis method. He contends that
humans have torsos, legs and arms that

468
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,559
are all pretty much equal length.
Yeah, as Sasquatch or things purported to

469
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:30,840
be sasquatch have much longer arms than
torso legs. Yeah, which this would

470
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,199
stand up to that. Yeah.
So then I I don't know how wide

471
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,599
this rail is. I looked and
looked and looked on Google, and I

472
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:45,559
could not find the width of a
of a train rail anywhere they wanted to

473
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:49,440
give the width of the tracks,
which was four feet in and half inches

474
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,159
for normal tracks and three feet something
for a narrow gauge. So I don't

475
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:58,440
know if this was a narrow gauge
or a regular one. So I just

476
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:05,480
made a little line and then measured
the foot, So the foot was five

477
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,079
times or four times the width of
that track. So let's say that track

478
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:15,159
is three inches wide, that would
make the foot about a foot long.

479
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:22,000
So just you know, just trying
to figure out could it be uh,

480
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,079
you know real? I mean,
I'm curious what you guys think in chat?

481
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,599
What do you guys think? John
and Wayne? Well, the unfortunate

482
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:34,320
thing is somebody just said, you
know, if artificial intelligence you can just

483
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,199
about make a photo look like anything. Yeah, I agree with that thought,

484
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:44,880
Jeff. If a person could stand
there even then later in the daytime,

485
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,079
then you could say, well that's
how tall a person is. But

486
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:54,840
they didn't do they didn't have that. So you know that seems that,

487
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,519
you know, especially with AI out
there now, I'm gonna be the ones

488
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,400
that I see anything else. It's
just it's just a toss up, you

489
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,719
know, it's a coin toss it's
getting good, you know, well AI

490
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,519
is getting very good. And uh, thank thank goodness. The Patterson Gimmem

491
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:17,679
film was pre yeah, absolute way
way pre AI. So anyway, this

492
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,679
is just uh interesting. I don't
have an opinion one or the other.

493
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:29,199
It's just interesting. But if it's
real, uh, it's a If it's

494
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,239
a suit, it's a good suit. I'll give you that. But I

495
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:40,159
think it's definitely a real sasquatch on
the right. Yeah. So yeah,

496
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:46,280
so we can take that down.
So let's let's put up so this this

497
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,559
next one is uh, let's see
what was this one? Once you put

498
00:45:52,559 --> 00:46:00,559
it up, steph, No,
it's the next, the next to power

499
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:06,480
point after this one. So this
was at Buffalo Peaks. We John and

500
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,719
I took a family out there for
a three day excursion. So tell them

501
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,440
about This was maybe thirty yards away
from our campsite. No, this is

502
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,440
Thursday night, pretty close to the
campsite. I'll show you a little bit

503
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,960
later how the tents and this site
relate to another. There were three horses

504
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:28,000
left, plastic ones and the wooden
a broken wooden one with broken ears.

505
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,159
The only thing taken and really the
only thing re arranged, was that horse

506
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:37,039
on the left, the kind of
orangey one, the broken wooden horse.

507
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:44,280
But that night I put out two
audio recorders, and I think that's the

508
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,159
night that I not only smelled something
that was just amazing. Yeah, you

509
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,519
mentioned that the next day, but
in the middle of the night my audio

510
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,360
recorder. I didn't know this for
a couple of weeks because I didn't didn't

511
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,840
review it, review it, but
I heard my tent fly being unzipped and

512
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,760
then zipped back. It kind of
went twice. Yeah, it's a good

513
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,440
thing you were asleep when that happened, because that would have been freak key.

514
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,800
Yeah, to have that happen while
you're awake. And to the right

515
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,960
of this, we did. It's
not in the picture. We put a

516
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,880
fresh steak on the ground that was
totally untouched the whole time we were there.

517
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,639
Nothing touched it. What a waste
of a good steak. Yeah,

518
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:28,079
it was so I did last summer
put a steak out there at my Kenosha

519
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:34,119
East camp ground and nothing, nothing
touched steak a hard crazy you think steak

520
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,079
would be so desirable for a coyote
or a or something. Yeah, if

521
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,280
we're going to continue this little slide
show, though, This is the arrangement

522
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,840
of the gym's tent, the Hoyman's
tent, my tent, the audio recorders

523
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,239
in the gift site. But the
kids and I I have I always carry

524
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,199
a walking stick. The two younger
kids wanted walking sticks, so I carved

525
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,519
some walking sticks for them. We
use them during that day and that night,

526
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,559
I think it was a Friday night, we leaned the walking sticks against

527
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,639
one tree that was the dining canopy
was tied to the Next morning, Henry

528
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:15,239
Hoyman got up and said, I
heard something rattling around the fire pit last

529
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,280
night and we found the three walking
sticks. Let's see the next slide.

530
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,800
The three walking sticks and four pieces
of three pieces of firewood had been lined

531
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,840
up pointing at the Hoyman's tent,
which is interesting because none of us did

532
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,360
that during the Where that red line
is the walking sticks and the sticks of

533
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:40,679
wood were lined up in a row
pointing at the Hyman's tent door. Yeah,

534
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,719
and was that down below? Is
that the road going in the road

535
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,960
is off to the right. Yeah, okay, And this is one of

536
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,599
my favorite tree structures. It's not
I've seen a lot more elaborate ones.

537
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:00,440
It's just I think this one is
so elegant, and I I firmly believe

538
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:06,679
that those three parallel limbs on the
left of this structure are done with purpose,

539
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,239
either to suggest something, although that's
not necessary I think. I don't

540
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:22,280
know if you guys are familiar with
Christopher Noel's autistics savant theory, but I

541
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:30,239
firmly believed that they there's some evidence
now that the autism might have been an

542
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:37,840
important thing in our revolution. As
hunter gatherers and and sasquatch may be autistics

543
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:44,199
savant themselves, I do think they
are interested in order. They do things

544
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:50,480
with tree structures for a reason.
It may be that they recognize their environment,

545
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:55,079
just like that French guy that can
fly over London or Paris for half

546
00:49:55,079 --> 00:50:00,000
an hour and then totally he can
draw every building, every building, every

547
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,480
window, every window in the right
place, every floor, even flower pots

548
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:09,199
in the right places, and furniture
on balconies in the right places. Sesscots

549
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,440
may have that kind of ability to
be able to see scuff marks that weren't

550
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,079
there the day before. You know, see somebody's trail and know what sized

551
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,199
bootprint it is, know who was
there. It's possible, John a lot

552
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,239
of the things that that I've left
over the over the course of time are

553
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:35,320
are shiny objects or super colorful objects, And I agree with that theory.

554
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:40,199
There's some bit about there on the
spectrum there, and I think that's always

555
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:44,079
guided me as trus what types of
gifts I'm leaving. You know, things

556
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,199
that are they're going to pick up
to want to look at both sides of

557
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:53,239
or you know, uh, contrasting
colors, very bright colors and in some

558
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:59,000
degree of success. But you know, it's a learning process. I think

559
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,760
you're on the right track. I
think it's a cool thing you're doing.

560
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:13,039
And there there is some behavior that
lends itself to the autistic savant theory.

561
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:20,639
But yeah, I mean there's a
lot about them that's a mystery still.

562
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,400
But was that the last one?
Oh? This is interesting? Okay.

563
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,039
Now this is back by sasquat chat
Post give site. This is a really

564
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:34,480
big spruce tree that has green needles
on it. So this was done this

565
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:38,360
summer, the summer of twenty sixteen. It's eight inches at its base.

566
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,679
It's snapped off. It's the base
is actually stuck up in a tree twenty

567
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,840
one feet above the ground. It's
a thirty six foot long tree. It

568
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,719
weighs a bunch. It's far away
from being able to get any kind of

569
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,400
heavy equipment there. It would take
a bunch of I don't think a bunch

570
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,119
of humans could do that with by
hand, because it was rammed. The

571
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:07,679
roots were rammed up into the other
trees step roots, as you'll see on

572
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,679
the next photo. So it's headed
the other way, but you can see

573
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,039
it's the snap end is up up
in the tree, up and it's actually

574
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:21,239
a spruce that's such a up in
a bunch of pines. I couldn't even

575
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,960
find where the base would have been. Yeah. The next slides then it

576
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,119
has all these broken spruce branches,
all of them snapped, none of them

577
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:37,480
saw it or cut, scattered all
over this camp site. And on the

578
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:46,119
on the fire pit are is a
rectangular arrangement of half burned and unburned firewood

579
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,280
arranged in a in a square.
It's just really strange. So that was

580
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,239
very near the Sasquatch Outpost gift site. Jim, Yeah, yeah, I

581
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,880
remember that, And we have to
get back up there and see that tree

582
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,000
is still stuck up. Tell my
story about how obviously I couldn't measure twenty

583
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,960
one feet. Yeah, tell us
how you managed to get that. That's

584
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,679
an old woodsman's trick. The way
you do that is you get a stick

585
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,480
that's the same length as your arm. You hold that stick by at the

586
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:19,800
base, and hold that base at
the base of whatever you're trying to measure

587
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,239
the height of. You back up
until the top is at the top you're

588
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,599
measuring. You've just created a right
triangle with side A equal to side B.

589
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Then you made measure side a.
I just stepped it off seven strides

590
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,679
equal seven to twenty one feet.
Did trig to get the thirty six feet,

591
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,760
So it's that's within ten percent air, I'd say, yeah, and

592
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,320
it was twenty one feet in the
air. That twenty one feet stuck up

593
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,760
into those trees. Yeah. Bizarre, just a bizarre thing that John found.

594
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,199
So this is that's the one that
you say is by the stream.

595
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:04,400
Yeah, that we eventually abandoned because
we couldn't be sure that people didn't know

596
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,360
about it. But we had some
interesting things on this one. Well,

597
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,000
probably the most significant thing about that
one, and we'll go through this one

598
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:19,519
in a hurry, is that one
day, eleven eleven angular rocks were left

599
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,559
on that in a circular arrangement.
Well we'll see that in a photo.

600
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,360
But the day that was left was
the day I was really excited. So

601
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,519
I was coming down the path singing
as I always do. I love the

602
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:37,840
mountain, ZAI love the rolling gills, I love the prairie, I loved

603
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,840
the daffodils, and on and on, and I stopped to call Jim to

604
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,039
say, man, you wouldn't believe
what happened at the gift site today.

605
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,519
And as I did that, I
heard two hoops across the valley a fair

606
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,199
distance from me, and that I
heard and felt four ground thumps to the

607
00:54:54,239 --> 00:55:00,719
tune of the music for Cadence about
two seconds a room boom, boom,

608
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,880
boom, and then click. And
above me is a pine cone falling.

609
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,320
And so I'm looking up where that
thing, expected to see a pine squirrel

610
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,199
or something, and here comes a
pine cone over my head from behind me.

611
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,239
It's the tree in the same place. By this time, Jim is

612
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,559
calling me back. I was because
my phone was down by my thigh,

613
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,440
I said, Jim. Something throwing
pine cones at me. And so I

614
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,199
walked down to the tree and there
were three hard, little green pine cones

615
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:36,880
that hadn't opened yet I actually put
those on the gift site that day and

616
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,559
a couple of days later they had
been taken. Yeah, so go to

617
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:46,199
the next slide here this is so
yeah, that's again my signature glypt that

618
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,480
you know. I always tried to
make it look the same and we would

619
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:58,800
try different things putting on these gifting
sites. Oh yeah, so's there the

620
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,840
eleven rocks. Those had to be
carried from some distance away because around that

621
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,800
gift rock the pine squirrels have just
created pine duff like you wouldn't believe.

622
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:15,760
It's actually spongy. There are no
rocks really back to the Rosalie or the

623
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,159
Logan Mount Logan trail, but it
was almost like a pendant in the shape

624
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,719
of a pendant or something. Yeah. Yeah, it was really bizarre.

625
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:30,679
There's a better picture. And that
was modified because see there are now there

626
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:34,880
are two pine cones kind of replacing
some of the rocks up there. Yeah.

627
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,480
And then we came back and that
that's a piece of black buffalo leather

628
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,280
with things on it, and that
buffalo leather then will be on the other

629
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,880
side of the ring with items transposed. This is when we began thinking,

630
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,079
this is just wonder if humans doing
it. Yeah, wonder if people are

631
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:59,320
messing with us. So we changed
to another gift site that was even farther

632
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:06,000
off trail. Yeah, so let's
keep going here and then we'll I think

633
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,599
this is the Oh yeah, now
we to the the last I called the

634
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:15,079
Pine Arch gifts site. Yeah.
I I came across this archway when I

635
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:20,639
was hiking up here one day on
my own. This is probably a mile

636
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,800
and a half maybe two miles in
from the car market, and I got

637
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:30,920
to this tree bent over the trail
and you can see on the right hand

638
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,400
side of the trunk that it was
split from the the stress of that thing

639
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,079
being bent down so fast, and
that freaked me out, and I turned

640
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:45,599
around and went home. But we
eventually had a gifting site. That tree

641
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:52,639
was our marker about where that gifting
site was. So this is actually eighteen

642
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,159
eighteen things in a bottle. The
next the next slide is what is in

643
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:02,920
the bottle, So ten deer times
and then eight other assorted small things enough

644
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,360
to fit in the bottle, and
two wood horses that don't fit in the

645
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,559
bottle, and then those are placed
in the bottle with the cap back on.

646
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,519
When we came back two days later, five of the deer times were

647
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,960
gone. The cap was back on
the bottle. Those were the only things

648
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,119
taken. Yeah, But then later
we came back and all ten the remaining

649
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:30,280
five deer times were gone. One
of the horses had been taken, but

650
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,320
the other eight ups were still in
the bottle, the cap back on the

651
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,760
bottle. Then even later, Jim, you went there by yourself and found

652
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,440
that the whole bottle was gone,
The bottle was gone, all the content.

653
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,639
Yes, And then I think even
later one of those one of those

654
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:52,960
horses was brought back. Yeah.
Bizarre things, just yeah, that's when

655
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:59,280
the times. Half the times had
been taken and had to be screwed off.

656
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,480
Yeah, and that screwed back on, yeah, and again off trail.

657
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,760
There's nobody would know where this was. So I took my daughter there.

658
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,559
She's kind of a skeptic. I
took her there in twenty eighteen and

659
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,039
I said, what do you think
the chances of somebody just happening on this

660
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:22,480
site are? And she said impossible. Yeah, there'd be no way,

661
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:30,480
no reason. So so thank you
John, I mean John and I.

662
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:37,639
It was very rich, very rich
time of having things happen, having things

663
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:45,320
taken, having things added, citing, you know, vocalizations, all this,

664
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,679
all these things. So it was
it was a fun time to be

665
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,119
doing this together. Well, Wayne
is carrying on the tradition in fine fashion.

666
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,760
I'll tell you you're a tough act
to follow. Yeah, the bar

667
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,280
is not except that high. So
so Wayne and I, from my experience,

668
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,320
Wayne and I have tried let me
think, one two. I think

669
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:20,039
we're on the third site, two
of which we created, or maybe fourth

670
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,920
side, I can't remember, but
two or three of them are on the

671
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:30,119
Meridian Trail, off Meridian Trail where
John and I never went, and then

672
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:37,519
the the last we came back to
the site John and I had. But

673
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:42,320
we have just not had the activity
that John and I had. I don't

674
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:49,440
understand why not. But I don't
know what you're thinking, is Wayne about

675
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,800
that? But we'll be honest with
you, Jim. I think the biggest

676
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:59,679
thing is that we have not been
consistent in our appearances out there as you

677
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,719
and on work. For one thing, I think that goes a long way,

678
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:07,360
and then identifying us, and you
know, I think gifting personally,

679
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,519
I think gifting is a tool in
the search and nothing else is to get

680
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,599
quite curious, you know, and
then as as they get to know you,

681
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:22,000
then you know, then you get
that interaction going. But you know,

682
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:24,079
and it's it's difficult. I'm about
forty miles away from you, yeah,

683
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,719
and there the other day, you
know. So, but we've had

684
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,719
some success, you know, We've
had a few things. So the the

685
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,079
one very interesting thing we had was
when you and Jason and I went backpacking

686
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:49,800
on off of Goose Creek Trail and
you brought a few things that you that

687
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,079
I didn't even know you had put
out. Actually you you didn't mention it,

688
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,880
and I never saw them. But
right above our fire pit, our

689
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,880
fire pit was kind of on the
edge of a slope, and there were

690
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,679
some boulders right above the fire pit, and you put them on top of

691
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,400
that boulder, and I never knew
they were there, and right Jason did.

692
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Neither. Jason had no idea as
well, So neither of us would

693
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,119
have messed with them because we didn't
know they were there. And we were

694
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:22,960
there three nights, I believe,
and you checked it, You checked it

695
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:28,639
every morning. Nothing happened the first
two days, and and you and I

696
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,559
had even sprinkled this powder. Tell
us about this powder that we were trying

697
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:37,760
to experiment with. Yeah, it's
a it's a powder that you look under

698
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,440
a black light under neon. And
so my thought was, I'll sprinkle some

699
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,239
of this powder along, you know, by the gift side or across by

700
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:50,159
the ground and everything. Yet and
then at night I just used my my

701
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,400
black light and see where the trail
was. I'm pushing. They outsmarted us.

702
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,639
We didn't have foot print number one, No, not even one.

703
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,559
But I'm gonna try that again because
I I think that's gonna work. They

704
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,000
I think they see us sprinkling stuff
around the camp and they're like, what

705
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,679
are these guys doing. They're up
to something. And they didn't come anywhere

706
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:15,480
near. But the last morning is
we're getting ready to leave, I hear

707
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:20,360
this commotion and Wayne and Jason are
laughing and talking and I didn't know what

708
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,119
was going on. So I go
over there and tell them what you'd found.

709
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:30,800
Wayne. So I had put out
a black round black rock, and

710
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,159
a lot of a couple of other
lines, but the main was black rock,

711
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:38,280
and I was found that next morning
it was a polished green rock that

712
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:47,199
is actually came from Australia. I
asked a German person about it from Australia.

713
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,639
So I don't know how I got
a polished green rock from Australia.

714
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,840
Do you have a picture and you
throw that picture up? I do.

715
01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:00,119
Let you grab that real quick.
Yeah, let's see here. Yeah,

716
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,599
it looks like it came from a
rock shop. I mean it was.

717
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,480
And this was two miles two and
a half miles in on the Goose Creek

718
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:15,039
trail. Yeah, nobody around,
nobody around, nobody around, give me

719
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:19,440
just one second. Year it was. It was part of the reason nobody's

720
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,000
arounds because it was like end of
March and it was so cold. Man,

721
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,039
it was cold. Intelligent people don't
get camping when it's that cold.

722
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:35,400
But but it was interesting to have
that and the other things were still there,

723
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:41,360
weren't they. I believe they were. Yeah. In fact, the

724
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,159
last the only thing I had left
was a blackstone, Yes, black rock.

725
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:57,599
So one for one. No,
let's see here. I got this

726
01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:00,599
one, Jim. I'm gonna show
you while while I look for that said

727
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:15,039
that one and get that out of
one point every click uh okay, okay,

728
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:21,679
okay, all right, let me
get back here and m m hm

729
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:30,440
oh yeah, I see the to
do this here The other thing was the

730
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:35,239
video, right, this is a
video that you just uploaded here. Yeah,

731
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:44,000
okay, we can look at that
too, But it's just interesting.

732
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:50,000
This rock came from nowhere near this
campsite. It was clearly a polished rock.

733
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:57,639
So where they got it? I
have no idea that's true. Joh

734
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:03,199
think in travel interesting intionally, then
that's true. That would be Yeah,

735
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:06,519
Jim, I'm not sure. For
some reason, I won't let me bring

736
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:11,320
it on screen. Maybe it's because
it's a picture, but I'd say it

737
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,639
was just not common in everyday rock
at all. So I was quite I'll

738
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,360
just second here I got it.
Here we go, So this is where

739
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,360
Jim is leading some gifts out as
well. And you were talking about what

740
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:29,000
had been moved on this rock.
Okay, let's see here, like those

741
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,199
two marbles had been moved and the
uh we go back to the beginning.

742
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:44,039
Here we go. Marbles are closer
together, are structure here has been messed

743
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:55,519
with a little bit. M Yeah, but that transfer rates very slow through

744
01:06:55,559 --> 01:07:00,400
this. Yeah it is. I
didn't know that slow, you know.

745
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:09,159
But the other thing that I would
say, Jim and John, is when

746
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:13,320
I went to Kenosa East this August
when one of these times I had put

747
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,800
everything I have. I had probably
fifty rocks out there, baby shoes,

748
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:23,480
deer tongs, whole bent and I
had you know, I had placed these

749
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,920
clearer and blue colored rocks strategically on
the back of my truck, so you

750
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,639
know, see if they come and
do some geometry or whatever with it.

751
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,960
And out of everything I put out
there, one rock had been turned over.

752
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,000
Out of everything, just one rock
was turned over, and I had

753
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,519
video did what I put it out
and afterwards, So I mean, you

754
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,039
know, that's like fifty items out
there, and they messed with one of

755
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:50,079
the items, so you know it's
it's I guess it's a crap shoot.

756
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:56,000
But if nothing else, Jim lads
another layer of that thrill to the starch.

757
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,760
You know. Well, we always
were always interested when we go out

758
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:04,320
a few days after putting things out
and this kind of the anticipation of what

759
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,320
have they moved, what have they
added? You know, what have they

760
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:15,559
changed? Because it's a it's it's
exciting. Let's put that one coming up

761
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:23,760
there from uh Terry. Have we
ruled out Ravens, Well not no,

762
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:30,760
but Ravens would tend to take things
I think and so when things are left

763
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,279
and just rotated and rearranged, I
don't believe it's ravens. Certainly they can't

764
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:43,920
unscrew and screw bottles. But yeah, I can't rule out ravens. I

765
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,840
mean, because they are attracted by
shiny things, interesting things, So that's

766
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:55,520
certainly a possibility. I wouldn't rule
that out. But and we haven't ruled

767
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:01,720
out people. No. No,
however of us would agree that people is

768
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:08,880
unlikely. That phenomenon is unlikely because
of where we chose to put these things.

769
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:13,840
So yeah, I think that last
spot was what we hired John Haun

770
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:19,279
John, Yeah, that's found away
from the parking lot, you know.

771
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,800
Yeah, it just it just seems
like every time you go up there's another

772
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,119
ten to fifteen feet up. You
know, it feels like it. It

773
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:31,760
feels like it. But you know, Jim, it's become to the point

774
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,840
now with gifting is such there's so
many possibilities that I've become more enthralled now

775
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:41,479
about staying up all night and listening
to what's going on outside outside the table

776
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,000
of the camper. That last recording
we got when we were hunting, that's

777
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:50,840
totally fascinating me. Now, so
well, and I think I mentioned that

778
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:57,560
when we were out hunting the second
morning, we had closed the door of

779
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,399
the pop up, latched the two
top leatches, and put your dead bolt

780
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:05,680
in the bottom. And at four
thirty am, I wake up to start

781
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:11,479
getting my warm clothes on, and
the door's wide open. I said,

782
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,680
dude, the door is open,
and the and the dead boat was lying

783
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,800
on the floor of the popeye had
been pulled off the door. The door

784
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:26,640
had been pulled so hard the epoxy
came away from the and I'm like,

785
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,880
Okay, I don't know who that
was or what that was. I don't

786
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,079
even want to think about it because
I didn't hear anything. Man, We

787
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:40,079
didn't hear anything. We were both
neither of us heard anything. And so

788
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,000
it's scary to think a person,
for one, could have opened the door

789
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:49,159
and come in and we never even
knew it. And we both had guns

790
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:54,000
right next to our beds and they
were still there, and so just but

791
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:59,039
you're vulnerable, man, it's just
your you just think. Man, anything

792
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:00,560
could have happened. They could have
murdered us in our sleep if it was

793
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,439
a person. But the door was
open and it had been wrenched open.

794
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,600
This only way that door got open. I'm convinced. So well, you

795
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,680
know, again, I didn't hear
anything, Jimmy. You know, I'm

796
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,479
a light sleeper, you know,
I didn't hear anything, but yeah,

797
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,840
you know, I think that would
be part of the excitement. What what's

798
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,199
out there? You know, Yeah, what's out there? And what what

799
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:25,920
it could potentially do to us?
But they don't, right, So am

800
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,239
I going to get to see bake
foot tonight? Yeah? Well, listen,

801
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,560
it's it's awesome to have both of
you, and thank you for your

802
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:39,640
contributions tonight about gifting. And we're
still learning, you guys, were we

803
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,199
still have a lot to learn.
We don't have the market cornered on gifting

804
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:47,199
or anything else to do with sasquatch. But we've tried a lot of things,

805
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:51,039
and we've found things that work better
than other things, and and hopefully

806
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:58,239
we're we're getting closer to communicating with
them in a way that makes sense to

807
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:01,159
them and hopefully to us. And
that's the goal we want to understand it.

808
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:05,159
I'm sorry, I'm gonna try to
be like Johnny, keep a better

809
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:10,560
description of what I leave when I
left out, you know, because I'm

810
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,279
embarrassed right now. Yeah, John's
very thorough. I got to give him

811
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:23,600
that after every visit. And yeah, because I have my notes. You

812
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:29,279
are just awesome man, that's awesome. Thank you. So we'll we'll try

813
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:32,039
and be uh more consistent this coming
summer. Wayne, I'm getting texts from

814
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:39,600
young grandson that says, Papa looks
happy. I love it. I love

815
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it. Well. You both great
friends and your great research partners, and

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I appreciate both of you very much. So likewise, thanks for for being

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Yeah, you're right. So we're
gonna carry on next week. And I

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I alluded to this last week.
I got my weeks mixed up, but

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I do have some very exciting eyewitness
accounts this coming Tuesday, So hopefully my

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knee shouldn't affect any in any way
me doing the podcast. So you guys

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are awesome. I appreciate you all
tuning in this evening. Please come back

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next Tuesday. Please subscribe if you
haven't, and hit the the bell so

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that you know when we've got a
new podcast coming up. And until next

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Tuesday night, keep on squatching.
Oh there's ship the ship, ship the

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ship, because ships show a ship
show ship ship