1 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:35,039 Oh, happy Saturday morning to everybody. Welcome to Hobby Hotline, episode two 2 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,359 eighty. I'm Danny. That's Adam. For some reason, he wears a 3 00:00:39,399 --> 00:00:42,759 red Sox hat and it takes the two of us to equal out the Great 4 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Uncle Rich Klein. How you guys doing there, Good morning, Happy happy 5 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:51,719 holidays. I'm happy to say this is a full hobby day for me by 6 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:58,359 begin with Hobby Hotline and tonight my local card store has their Secret Santa Gift 7 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:03,359 Exchange trade night, and even though they raised the price of entry for it, 8 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:08,840 they had ninety people sign up to do Secret Santa gifts this year and 9 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,120 that was they were stunned by. Despite the price ranges last year with three 10 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,959 tiers, this year was just an adult and a child range, and yes, 11 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,599 as an adult you could go into the child range if you wanted to. 12 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,760 It was more like that, and I'm excited. They always do. 13 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,480 And they also their owner and it's a consortium of six doors locally in the 14 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,239 area, four that are like franchises and two that are associated. So it's 15 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,079 six doors getting together for the party tonight and they'll have gifts and they'll have 16 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,680 other things. And I heartily recommend and the store is located. The store 17 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,959 is called The Beast the Sports Cards and it's in Plano at basically Highway one 18 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:55,079 twenty one in Preston Road. So I encourage anybody just to drop in tonight 19 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,439 too, just to talk. There's going to be a lot of hobbies there. 20 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,719 It should be a lot of fun. That's awesome. Adam, how 21 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:04,239 are you doing? Yeah? Pretty good, you know. So obviously got 22 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,960 the Hobby News Daily podcast. Saturday episode went up early today. Been doing 23 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,280 a little bit more on TikTok so. I mean, if anybody's on TikTok, 24 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:15,560 I had been, I'd post a lot on there. I used to 25 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,120 post a lot on there, hadn't really I hadn't really been getting back into 26 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,319 it. But this past week I posted a couple of videos getting back in 27 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:25,719 the flow with things. So you know, that's my hobby experience is content 28 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,680 creation. So you know, anytime that there's more content creation that we had, 29 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:34,400 I'm always down for that. And can I just say that what Adam 30 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,199 does on Saturday mornings when he puts all the shows together for Hobby News Daily, 31 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:45,840 is in my opinion, a wonderful and important to listen to breakdown of 32 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:50,080 what's happened over the past week. I consider it a musklessen, especially when 33 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,680 I'm on the show, but I consider it a musklessen every Saturday morning. 34 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:57,879 And I really do recommend more people listen. I mean, and I understand 35 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,280 it's his opinions, but it's a real good breakdown of what's happening at a 36 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:06,520 specific time frame, a snapshot. You know, I personally shake those kind 37 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:10,319 words Rich very nice. Yeah, we both appreciate pokudos to add him because 38 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,879 it's not just the weekend. He's doing Monday through Friday to get up to 39 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,960 the weekend. So he's the voice, the voice in the morning. A 40 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,719 lot of people in the in the in the chat room already, Reuben says, 41 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:29,319 holy crap, full face riche kliinb is fixed. I preferred the box 42 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,080 Rich climb with this disembodied voice, but you can get a full face of 43 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,919 me if he's so desired. Absolutely fell out ball. I'm gonna miss a 44 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:42,319 bunch of people here, But also want to give a shout at as always 45 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,039 to the sports card shop. They've got two locations now. I always say 46 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:53,719 I have been to the Valparaiso and uh, fantastic definitely check them out and 47 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:58,520 we're usually up on the big board there. So uh to Rex and the 48 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:04,360 whole family there morning and happy happy holidays. I think getting started this morning, 49 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:10,960 we got to tackle the seven hundred million dollar gorilla. I think we're 50 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,840 looking at one of the craziest contracts and one of the biggest stories in sports 51 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,319 and quite some time. Show Hey the money and the cards seven hundred million 52 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:29,560 over ten years. Obviously there's this unique deferred contract. But tops now does 53 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,000 a printing Adam, what did they what do you know about that? So 54 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:39,079 broke the record? I mean so tops now they pretty much do like the 55 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,360 print on demand cards. I think the last previous record was Bernie Sanders, 56 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,759 like that funny card where he was like sitting at the inauguration back in twenty 57 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:50,600 twenty. That I think they have like ninety seven thousand or something like that. 58 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,279 And then this this card, the show Hey card had hundred and seven 59 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,240 thousand, which is like, I mean, for me, it's you know, 60 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:02,360 the tops now. I love the concept and I think that TOPS does 61 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,399 a phenomenal job with capturing these types of moments with these cards, and then 62 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:11,160 even you know, with with rookie cards. Specifically, and I mean just 63 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,759 for the reason that I like the TOPS Now is because like, you know 64 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 how many cards there are. Like sure, maybe I don't know, maybe 65 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,480 you're not pulling out a pack and you know what card you're pulling, but 66 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:24,040 like for rookies or for like a moment like this with Shoheo Tani or or 67 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,079 the Juan Soto which I don't remember what the print run for that one was 68 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:30,160 off the top of my head. But for that example, like you know 69 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,000 that there's one hundred and seven thousands. So if you're even comparing that to 70 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,680 any amount of cards within like the flagship product or TOPS Chrome, it's like, 71 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:42,759 you know, it's it's a significant difference in knowing how many cards there 72 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,439 are versus like just having to guess and like really having no idea one way 73 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,680 or the other if they're that many. So I mean, yeah, the 74 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,720 top the tops Now card, I think it's really cool and I'm glad that 75 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,680 you know it's I'm glad that TOPS has continued the process. But I mean, 76 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,199 I guess if you're selling one hundred and seven thousand cards, like you're 77 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:03,600 probably not looking to move on from the concept as both well, remember you 78 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,759 have also a very limited time frame to order these cards. You know, 79 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,839 It's not like you have a month or two months to order a tops now 80 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,199 card. You have a few days at the most. And so to have 81 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:20,120 that many cards printed, I mean, ATOPS does a wonderful job. I 82 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,639 get their emails, you know, but to have that many cards ordered in 83 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:30,199 one day just shows just how popular show is. It definitely shows his popularity. 84 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,439 And it's not that it matters because I think you buy this card for 85 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,040 for the moment, But does it devalue the card that there's you know, 86 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,160 one hundred thousand of them out there? Maybe, I mean, I mean 87 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,079 potentially, But also you're not really looking at with these types of cards. 88 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:53,839 I feel like it's more like a collect I feel like it's almost truly like 89 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:58,600 a collectible, Like I feel like it's it's it's truly like it the cards. 90 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,759 You know, the hobby does this funny thing where they they just they 91 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,160 just will accept that something won't be a certain way, Like they accept that 92 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,199 like wide receivers and running backs in the NFL are like not as valued as 93 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,759 as as you know, quarterbacks, or it's like uh, college jersey cards 94 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,160 or not even if they're signed, they're not as valuable as like the regular 95 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,600 cards. It seems like, you know, obviously with Tops and Bowman. 96 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,560 That's I think things are changing a little bit. But at the same time, 97 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:29,319 basically the hobby has decided in some circumstances that like, these cards are 98 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:32,600 not going to have long term staying value. I mean unless you're seeing like 99 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,279 you know, I'm gonna use an example of a soccer card that I bought, 100 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:42,879 like the there was a Gurana card from the Bundesliga that has like a 101 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,800 print run of like two hundred, so it's like and it was his first 102 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:47,560 TOPS card, so it's like you can't maybe look at that and say, 103 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,920 well, that one is obviously gonna be different than this. And I actually 104 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:57,920 did just crunch a couple of numbers hypothetically if all of the orders that were 105 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 if all the orders were or of twenty, which I don't know if they 106 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,000 weren't, but I'm just using the I'm low balling the number a little bit 107 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,920 here. That means Tops would have made four hundred and eighty one thousand, 108 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,519 five hundred dollars from the show Hao Tony card, just from just from the 109 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,720 one drop and well not made that would have been sales, well in sales, 110 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,839 right right right, yes, correct, right, but in sales, 111 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,879 And that's also low balling the number like if and I mean because it's I 112 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,120 think it's it's it goes from one card is nine dollars to if you order 113 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,720 twenty, it's five dollars. So like basically, you know, again, 114 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,120 if you want to high ball that number, they made a million, they 115 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 or they they had a million in sales, because you know, you double 116 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:41,039 that for every card was bought single singularity, sing singularly. I don't know, 117 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,799 you know what I'm saying. Did anybody in the chat room buy or 118 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,639 did either of you guys? I'm just curious if we already had somebody said 119 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,600 they got their card in the mail, So yeah, somebody in the chat 120 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,480 room has already bought the card and has received it. Steel City also in 121 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:03,639 an on tops fashion, My Dodgertani arrived already in the mail. Well maybe 122 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,799 this is some of the things that fanatics will improve. If there's anything they're 123 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,320 good at, its logistics and shipping hopefully well, and I mean the fact 124 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,679 that there are like the fact that there were one hundred and seven thousand ordered 125 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,320 and you know, somebody's already got in the mail. I think, I 126 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,639 mean hopefully that maybe proved that like a concept that I think I was talking 127 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:30,200 about on this show, like back in March was like a March Madness set, 128 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,000 and like getting these cards printed and shipped as quickly as possible because you 129 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,720 know, to sort of stir up the excitement for it. So I think, 130 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,399 like, you know, if they're able to do it this quickly with 131 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,919 this many cards, I think this helps the concept of getting cards like this 132 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,320 shipped out quickly. Interesting common here. I did not buy it as there 133 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,279 was photoshopped ol Wayne and overspend for his first flagship Father's Day card out of 134 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:05,039 fifty Does that? Does that? That's an interesting comment? Does he bother? 135 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Either one of you? Guys? It's a photoshop? For how long 136 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:15,519 has Tops been changing uniform caps and things like that on players? I mean, 137 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:20,120 this is a tradition going back seventy years yep. So there's nothing new 138 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,360 under the sun. They used to do of you know, now you can 139 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:26,240 do a much better job with photoshop, but I mean they've been doing that 140 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,159 for seventy some odd years. Come on, guys, Rich, you know 141 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,279 better than I do. They've had, they've had hats, they've left blank 142 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,200 and all sorts of stuff over the years to try to correct stuff. Oh 143 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,360 oh, there have been and there's been some classic stuff that's not corrected. 144 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:50,159 Like my favorite type of all time on a types card is the sixty four 145 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,759 tops Dennis Bennett card. I believe it's his name. He's on paired with 146 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,360 Rick Wise on a rookie card. This nineteen year old right hand or is 147 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:03,000 only eighteen years old. Mm hmm, but that's what they call him nineteen 148 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,480 on there, so he's this think Yeah, I mean that the card actually 149 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,279 says that there's no correction that should have been corrected. That's hysterical, But 150 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,519 that's from nineteen sixty four, That's what I mean. We things happened, 151 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,480 and the phono if it was a photoshop card, I'm much rather have not 152 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,879 seen the card, I will be honest. But the card that I heard 153 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,840 about is when they did some interview with him and he was with his dog. 154 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,080 You need to get a photo of him and his dog just for the 155 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,679 element decoy. Yeah, right right. It was a seventy two hundred on 156 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:43,080 the Wan Soto card like the traded one, and then yeah, I mean, 157 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,360 i'd like I'll answer the question quickly. I'm I'm fine with the photoshop. 158 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,759 I mean it's a I think they did a phenomenal job with it. 159 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,480 Like it's funny. Like I have a sports design background, and one of 160 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,639 the things that was I used to do a lot of like sports designing on 161 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,440 Instagram before he got into sports cards, and like one of the big things 162 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,919 was jersey swaps, Like that was one of the big like niches almost it 163 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:09,279 was like a niche within that niche of it was it was like a niche 164 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,919 within the niche of sports graphic design was like people doing jersey swaps. So 165 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:18,240 like it's funny now, like I can you look at ESPN, Like ESPN 166 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,279 does jersey swaps, and they're horrific. They're terrible. They're like like tops 167 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,279 at least is doing a really good job, like they you know, they 168 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,440 don't have someone doing it on their phone obviously, Like I sometimes I think 169 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,399 that's what they're what ESPN and some of these companies are doing. When someone 170 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,159 gets traded, I look at them, like that's just not that player, 171 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,879 Like that's just they just literally either did they put his head on someone else's 172 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,279 body or they like try to morph a jersey that's not Yeah, like I 173 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:46,279 said, I think the photoshop job is good, and I think that Tops 174 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,120 does a good job with their photoshops. Uh, with these types of cards 175 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,120 obviously, because you know you're not gonna Joejo. Tony's not hitting in a 176 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,120 he in a Dodgers jersey. Yet he does also have that card live right 177 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,360 now of him at the press conference. So you know, hypothetically, if 178 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,639 you did want his first Dodger's official with him wearing a actually wearing a Dodger 179 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,799 jersey, that cards available now, not that top how Uh what's eight eight 180 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,240 eight for the or nine for the single card? And then yes it goes 181 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,720 basically down per card if you order me. But yeah, I mean, 182 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,720 like I said, hopefully, you know, maybe Tops will pay us one 183 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,960 day, but they're not paying us now. But they got free they got 184 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:28,320 a free plug for that for that card that's up right now. Rich is 185 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,440 getting a call right now from Jefferson Verdick. I believe he actually actually it's 186 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,039 Michael. He's gonna call from Michael Rubin to tell us that they're gonna be 187 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,039 cutting as a check for this episode. We were guessing who if that it's 188 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:48,519 staring ravel, I asked, I asked if the photoshop bothered anybody, every 189 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,440 card is photoshop nowadays, does not bother me at all. I completely agree 190 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,360 with that. Actually, good morning, Warren. I'm a little bit behind 191 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,320 in some of the helloes, but I did want to get back real quick, 192 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:03,600 Dan. I thank you on a couple of shows. I don't know 193 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,879 if you saw, but I got everything a while back and just wanted to 194 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:13,720 thank you very much. Loved the Ripkin card card, so thank you very 195 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,799 nice to send that. I don't want to switch topics too quick when when 196 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,480 Rich gets back, but I want to talk about and I think Adam, 197 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:28,000 you brought up a good point in the the Tom Brady card and the Disney 198 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,879 drop tops took kind of two very different approaches to selling these, and I 199 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:39,399 know you've covered both. Do you mind explaining kind of the if I guess 200 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,759 the Brady one, if unless you've been under a rock you saw the ads 201 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:46,799 for that, yeah, I mean, I mean with the Brady they this 202 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,440 was I think one of the first real like marketing campaigns that we've seen within 203 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,200 cards. Like I know we've seen, we've seen social media, we've seen 204 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:58,519 you know companies use social media stuff like that, that's not you know obviously 205 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,399 you know, working in marketing, like they, I don't know, they 206 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,960 must have spent a lot of money on this campaign, so like, I'm 207 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,039 the thing that you know. I talked about this on the show actually two 208 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,519 times this week, because one was just about the cards and then one was 209 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:16,159 about the campaign. Was like, I guess I'm the thing I'm confused about, 210 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,759 and maybe I'll ask you this. Danny is like, the Bowman Draft 211 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,840 is one of their most popular products, and sure, getting Tom Brady in 212 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,879 Bowman Draft is a big deal, but it's like it just seems odd that 213 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,879 they would spend so much, which I get, Like I said, it's 214 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,240 it's I'm very mixed feelings between like it's good that they're spending money on their 215 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,879 most popular product versus like, it's their most popular product, why are they 216 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,080 spending money on this huge monster campaign? Now obviously it's because they have Tom 217 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,519 Brady in it, but at this but I don't know, so I mean, 218 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,720 you know, sorry, excuse me, like that for the Brady like 219 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:54,039 it came out on twelve twelve, which I mean obviously that was probably planned, 220 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,679 and then they had all of the like they had like Pedro and they 221 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,759 had Vlad Guerrero in the commercial that they had a commercial like that was an 222 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,639 extremely well done commercial. And then they had known the Patriots working with them, 223 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,720 they had the MLB working with them, they had like the Hall of 224 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,000 Fame stuff. So I mean, it was like they must have spent a 225 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:12,159 lot. It almost makes me, it almost makes me think that this is 226 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,759 where all the resources went from the QC people that like, we're qcing things 227 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:19,399 the past year and they had all these mix ups because it's just like, 228 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:25,159 this is not just a single person job. This is like a company wide 229 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,279 job that they put together with this campaign, like just because you know, 230 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,279 working in marketing, I know how many people have to work on campaigns like 231 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,159 this. So it's like it's weird. It's to me, it's a little 232 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,159 bit weird that they spent it on on their biggest product. But at the 233 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,559 same time, I guess, I guess it does make sense that they would 234 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,759 do that. But yeah, so I mean those are those are kind of 235 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:47,320 my overall thoughts at least on the the Brady Card. And then I'll let 236 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,440 you guys go and then I can kind of talk about the Disney drop a 237 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,919 little bit after we kind of do a couple of things on the Brady Brady 238 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Justli Brady stuff. Yeah, we're talking about the saturation of the Brady marketing. 239 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,640 You know, it's fine. I mean, I've seen Basic over the 240 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,960 years. I've seen people advertise Basic top sets when they when it comes out. 241 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,480 You know, there was some way back in the day after there was 242 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:17,559 the correction in the market because of the baseball strike in the mid nineties. 243 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,680 They started having baseball cards are cool again in the mid and late nineties, 244 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,960 but every once in a while there would still be tops ads on TV on 245 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:29,759 Nickelodeon trying to get back to the kids. It's fine. I mean, 246 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,799 you want to get general interest, if you know, it's a punchline now 247 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,720 about we want to tenx the hobby. But how is going at tenex the 248 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:42,960 hobby unless you start reaching people that aren't collected. And Brady is still amazingly 249 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:48,839 popular. It's a great concept. What if there's a lot of people who 250 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,240 have been drafted by baseball teams that did not play baseball, did not make 251 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:57,279 the major leagues. Some are more famous than others. It's a great way 252 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:02,079 to begin the concept and you can have fun with it, and you can 253 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,960 have fun. Fanatics is going to have other sports too. David Mark Winfield 254 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,160 was drafted in baseball, football, and basketball and four leagues because of the 255 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:18,440 NBA, because of the ABA and NBA. Right, so you can put 256 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,960 a David Mark Winfield basketball card into Bowman. Someday he's a Hall of Famer 257 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,279 in baseball. It's not going to be the same interest, but it's a 258 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,680 cool concept to do, and once you have all the you know, it 259 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:36,519 is something you can cross brand up among sports. You know, you can 260 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:41,000 get players from Michael Jordan did play baseball. I mean, you know you 261 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:42,400 can. You know, I know it's up for deck. So maybe someday 262 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,960 he won't have that, but you know, if if Michael Michael Jordan was 263 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 available to Tom's or Fanatics with their cross marketing and all the leagues are going 264 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,680 to have in two or three years, you can cross promote him into all 265 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,319 the sports. You know, Bo Jackson, we know Dion Sanders, know, 266 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,160 they all played other sports, and I mean they were even less I'm 267 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:08,359 using lesser names too, But the point is this is something Fanatics can do 268 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,920 that other card companies really haven't thought about or really don't want to, or 269 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,240 have not thought enough outside the box to do so. I don't have a 270 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,319 problem with them publicizing. You've got one of the most popular football players of 271 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,160 all time, winning all those Super Bowls. It's going to be the going 272 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,279 to be the number one commentator on Fox next year for football. So he'll 273 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,440 stay in the news. Why not? I mean, and then if you 274 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,240 get him to sign even better. They've done a they've done a hobby publicity, 275 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,400 and they've done a public publicity. We want a tenext to hobby. 276 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,319 Well, you're gonna have to do things like that to tenext to hobby, 277 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:52,160 right, and making Tom Brady seem like he's interested in baseball cards is the 278 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,319 first, I mean, the largest endorser I can ever remember endorsing the hobby. 279 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,440 I don't get rich. I mean, you said, one of the 280 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,960 most popular football players, one of the most popular athletes of all time. 281 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:10,640 And when you have that player of that caliber saying I'm on board with this, 282 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,440 well, then my kids get interested. You know, more people get 283 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,839 interested, and and you know people are throwing out other names, Russell Wilson, 284 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,880 Kyler Murray, but you know, yeah, a lot of these guys, 285 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,559 Tim Tebow, there's a bunch of people. And then you can do 286 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:33,759 it in reverse sports. You know, the Tony Gwenn basketball card would be 287 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,400 a would be a cool one. You know, Fanatics is going to have 288 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,680 all the licenses and to rich his point, you know, you need that 289 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,039 to be able to do this and and and if you don't have all the 290 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:47,960 licenses to work together, and you don't have the influence with the athletes and 291 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,039 the deals, then it can't get done. And that's the other thing. 292 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,160 Michael Rubin has a lot of these athletes on speed dial on his phone, 293 00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:59,640 right Panini? Did you know? Panini has done a lot of great things 294 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,480 over the but I don't think they're CEOs American and worldwide. Have all these 295 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,759 athletes on speed dial on their phone where you know, when Michael Rubin went 296 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,200 to Rob Verius his store and he saw some young girl with and this was 297 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,319 great pr with the you know, looking at cheap Devin book of cards. 298 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:18,680 Would you like to meet him? And he whips out his phone and they 299 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,680 eventually met and you know, and he gave her some merchant, you know, 300 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,759 some some stuff too. I would say merchandise, that's the wrong word. 301 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:30,599 But some memorabilia, right, And it worked out very well. But 302 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,359 it's great publicity, but it's also he's got those numbers on his phone. 303 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,160 You and I don't have those numbers on right, right, Yeah, yeah, 304 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:41,039 I mean too. I think the ad, I mean, these were 305 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,240 my two thoughts of two. I guess I don't know. Two more of 306 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,079 the thoughts I had on the ad was like, it feels like a like 307 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,839 they were trying they're trying to win like a marketing some sort of marketing award 308 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,880 for this campaign, because it really feels like a full Like I said, 309 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,920 it feels like one of the first full scale sports card camps that we've really 310 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,720 that I can remember seeing in quite some time. I mean yeah, like 311 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:07,119 you said, sure, there's there's commercials on yeah, you know, nickelode 312 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,960 and ESPN for sports cards, but like this is like this was this felt 313 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,160 like it was bigger than sports cards in general. And that's kind of one 314 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,720 of the things that will, you know, the tenxing of the hobby. 315 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:19,039 I don't know necessarily, if there's gonna be a ten x or whatever it 316 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,279 ends up being. Like I mean, honestly, if you ask most collectors, 317 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:25,480 they don't want the hobby to ten X. They want the hobby to 318 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,480 stay the same. But like that's you know, for you know, for 319 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,599 content creators, for people like me, that's I would like to see a 320 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,480 ten X. But you know, obviously it doesn't affect me as much because 321 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,480 I'm not buying every single product, and you know, the prices of them 322 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,359 were buying every single car and price are going up because they're ten xing or 323 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,839 whatever. But the other piece of it, I think could be that maybe 324 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Fanatics is trying to get more investing into the company and they're saying, look 325 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,720 at this, we can do this marketing campaign. Look at what we did 326 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,519 with especially using Tom Brady as like not even really a guinea pig, but 327 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:02,359 like as the star of the marketing campaign. It's like we did this with 328 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Tom Brady, we can do this with other athletes that we want to bring 329 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,960 over. You know which I would I will. I guess My prediction is 330 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,440 I think they're gonna do something similar with lebron if I'm gonna be honest, 331 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:18,400 because like they have Bronni James. They they sign that agent from Rich Paul's 332 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,519 or the basketball I forget what his name, his title was. I think 333 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:29,119 he was he's the director of basketball player relations, I think now, and 334 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,519 he worked with rich Paul's agency. Who was Lebron's agent, who was that's 335 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,160 Lebron's you know, that's Rich Paul's Lebron's friend. Who there that's their agency? 336 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:41,079 And then and then you know, and now we have that other Bowman 337 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,000 basketball card with the Lebron autograph in it. I wouldn't be surprised if in 338 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,920 a year, two or three years we see a very similar campaign somehow with 339 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,599 Lebron. Obviously not to this extent, or they're they're gonna have to come 340 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,799 up with another concept, but you know, I think that they're probably gonna 341 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:59,559 do something with Lebron once everything fully gets announced and he's and they maybe when 342 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,240 they get the basketball product and they officially start really rolling these things out. 343 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,400 The fact that they started with Brady I think is great because it's like he's 344 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,960 the like you said, he's the biggest athlete probably in the United States at 345 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,920 least other than maybe Lebron. So we'll see. But those are kind of 346 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,839 just two of the things that I was thinking about on top of sort of 347 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,160 all my other thoughts with these Brady cards. Real quick, Adam somebody's said 348 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,799 steel City DW to your point, Adam fanatics maybe using this as a test 349 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,359 case for how they evolved the product line. So right, totally to your 350 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,759 point. There also ten times the hobby means different things to everybody. It 351 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,160 could be ten times the revenue, ten times the consumers. Hopefully it's not 352 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,039 ten times the cards. I saw that comment, and I don't think. 353 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720 I don't think we want every set multiplied by ten. And Mike Petty, 354 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:51,079 I agree with a lot of what you're saying that ten times. You know, 355 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,240 you bring more people in and they're not going to be the traditional collectors, 356 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,960 and you hope that people don't take advantage of them. They certainly agree 357 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,319 with that, no argument and at all. We went through a ten X 358 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,960 in the you know, I'm old enough to remember we went through the ten 359 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,839 X in the late eighties and early nineties, and yes, that was detrimental, 360 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,119 it was long term, was detrimental, but it was great at the 361 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,400 time. And you know, one of the things you have to remember is 362 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:21,440 there was also a before the baseball strike, it was still a very strong 363 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:26,599 business. You know, people think the peak of the overproduced era was ninety 364 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,079 ninety one, but because these are public now numbers that we had to publish 365 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:36,440 in the Beckett magazine with what they called the OMC, the Official magazine circulation 366 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:40,880 that you had to publish each year. We were actually printing more Beckett magazines 367 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,720 in ninety three than we were in ninety one. So it was a long 368 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,960 term effect too that could have stayed even longer without the combination of the baseball 369 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,680 strike and the hobby lockout and the hockey lockout. So you know, there 370 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,839 are factors sometimes that come beyond our pale. But the longer there's hobby keys 371 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,440 in the sports, they're they're better off, is you know. And I 372 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:08,839 think it's important that we understand that it's going to be there's going to be 373 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,240 bumps. There have to be bumps. Nothing's a smooth ride upward and nothing's 374 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,720 a safe glide downwards. But they're going to be bumps. It's going to 375 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:23,799 be okay. And the beauty about collecting is collecting is an individual pursuit. 376 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,839 You can collect any way you want. If you say, I want nothing 377 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,400 to do with Tom Brady's twenty twenty three Bowman cards in the in the football 378 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,279 prior, I don't even want to know anything about twenty twenty three cards. 379 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,319 I only want nineteen seventy three and before because that was the last year topstick 380 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,039 cards in series. That's fine, that's the beauty you can you can choose 381 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,640 what you want to do and how you want to do it. We're covering 382 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,640 the topics of today, but just remember collecting your what you want to do, 383 00:26:55,759 --> 00:27:00,680 you know, being and being a collector two very different things. Real 384 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,839 quick. I love this comment. Didn't they make nineteen eighty nine upper deck 385 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,480 set for three years? Rich? I think we've been hearing the stories about 386 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,480 the production of that Griffy card, and to my knowledge, it's still being 387 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:18,799 produced. That may be the one card you could keep producing and keep selling 388 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:26,559 the number one all time submitted card to PSA. So it's a very interesting. 389 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,240 We give a shout out here and we may have talked about it last 390 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:36,680 week to our buddy from gem from gem Rate, Ryan. Yeah, absolutely 391 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,920 has now created a top one hundred and it may and I think you talked 392 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,920 about this, by the way in your Hobby News daily recap that I listened 393 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,240 to today this morning, that he's got now a top one hundred recap of 394 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:55,440 a population report covering all the card companies of one hundred cards and that's probably 395 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,640 going to grow over the years. And it's a great concept. It's well, 396 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,759 it's much needed. Yeah, it's it's phenomenal. And honestly, like 397 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,079 I don't know if if Danny have the link forward that we could put in 398 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,880 the chat or put his Twitter or something in the chat, because like it 399 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960 really is. I mean, the thing that I talked about on the show. 400 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,200 And I know I keep referencing what I talked about on the show, 401 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,279 and I'm trying to not do that, but but it's quite all right, 402 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,240 don't hold that. No, the more you reference the show, the better 403 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,279 off you are. But what I said was, like what has happened in 404 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,400 the hobby is tools like this have been built, tools like card Ladder, 405 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,880 tools like the sports card Investor platform, like way people it feels like and 406 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,519 rich. You may be able to correct me if I'm wrong here. It 407 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,799 feels like maybe in like the eighties and nineties and maybe even the two thousands 408 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,839 early two thousands sort of when eBay was not around, and then when it 409 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,960 was just kind of starting, it feels like a lot of you know, 410 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,400 you're obviously you're using Beckett magazine for pricing, but like there was not this 411 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,200 real time data on the price of a card going up, Like it was 412 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:00,960 like you would have to either wait a month for the magazine to come out 413 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,119 to see if the card went up, or like you just wouldn't know if 414 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,359 a card was going up or down in pricing because it's like you don't know 415 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,920 all of the sales and for the most part, a lot of sales now 416 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,359 are happening online. So like these tools are just helping collectors become much smarter, 417 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,480 which I think is is good for the hobby because it's helping you know, 418 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,240 you're not new people can come in and the learning curve. That's sort 419 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,559 of what maybe what it maybe the good way to put it. The learning 420 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,200 curve has dropped significantly, so it's like new collectors coming in, they don't 421 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,319 have to worry if they're buying the right card or if they're paying the right 422 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,839 price. It's like the learning curve of somebody new coming in and trying to 423 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,359 buy the card or buy card they want at the correct price. It's like 424 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,240 super easy now, where like a couple of years ago, maybe maybe not 425 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,880 a couple years let's say let's say the two thousands you know, somebody might 426 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,480 buy a card and they may they may have no idea if they paid the 427 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,000 right price. They may have paid a couple hundred dollars too much for the 428 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,960 card because like there was no you know, good tool for card pricing tracking. 429 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:07,480 So it's like the the the learning curve is down significantly and tools like 430 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,160 what you know what gem rate or yeah, gem rate, what they put 431 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400 out, it's it's a phenomenal tool. And I mean, I love looking 432 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,480 at the data and it has uh let's see, it has like PSA, 433 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,920 SGC, BGS, and CGC all four of them, all four of their 434 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,839 pop reports all put into one pop report basically, and you know, I'd 435 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,440 imagine it's probably similar to what card Ladder did. Like card Ladder didn't start 436 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240 out with all of these cards on there. They started adding cards day by 437 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,680 day by day, and now they have one of the biggest databases in all 438 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,640 of sports cards, which is why they're kind of that's why while they're own 439 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,240 by PSA now honestly because they built such a good platform. So it's like 440 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,680 this is probably going to be something similar where they add cards and they add 441 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,319 more stuff. But I mean, the tool is I when I saw it 442 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,160 at first, I was I was blown away. It was it was it's 443 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,000 a phenomenal tool for people who are interested in, you know, data on 444 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,480 these types of cards. Yeah, I do want to say it was interesting 445 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,400 and I almost put this into our group chat when I was listening this morning. 446 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,079 But you brought up an interesting point that we that doctor Beckett, who 447 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:14,440 is also a regular on Hobby Hotline and I discussed on a recent podcast about 448 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,400 when we were back at Beckett and doing pricing. Back in the day, 449 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,799 we depended on private sales, our knowledge of dealers that would tell us truthful 450 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,720 prices. We would go to the shows, the famous line about how much 451 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,440 we spent to send the analysts and to the shows to see what was going 452 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,440 on and today, and this came up in the we actually we had a 453 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,440 Hobby News Daily group chat and this came up with Bobby Burrell. How the 454 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:45,039 difference between yesterday where we depended on private sales and our knowledge of people and 455 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,880 public and today's public sales are two very different things, and it's a very 456 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:55,960 different dichotomy between knowing and you know, we don't always know if even if 457 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,440 the sale goes through, you can have somebody leave positive feedback and then right 458 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,319 and no, you don't know unless you know, I mean, you presume, 459 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,720 but it's never, it's never one hundred percent. My favorite way to 460 00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:16,799 buy if I had my brothers is in person at a show every single time. 461 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:22,559 Uh, the problem is is where the cards? And sometimes that you 462 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,799 know rich you know, I'm sure you believe in buying on comm see and 463 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,359 there's an eBay and you know there's plenty of sites where I can find the 464 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,359 cards that I won't find it a show. And so that that's where it 465 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400 forces me more online and more into the data when I when I'm at a 466 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,960 show, if I see a card, there's so much back and forth. 467 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,359 There's what else is in the room. There, there's the I appeal, 468 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,960 you know, when you're holding a card seems to be different than when you 469 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,839 look at it on a screen. So I I still prefer to buy face 470 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,599 to face at a show given my chance, Well honestly, so do I. 471 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,720 But I'm also blessed that literally across the street from this office is the 472 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:06,000 Dallas Card Show. I know you always I rub that. I'm sorry, 473 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,119 I mean it's a blessing. I g hey, I want to give Kyle 474 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,200 Robertson and his team credit. I mean, they used to do forty to 475 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720 fifty table shows every month. Now they do six hundred table shows six times 476 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:20,359 a year or five times a year. They have not yet announced the date 477 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240 for June or July, so we will we will just call it five times 478 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:29,079 a year. And I'm blessed. And I know a few of the dealers 479 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,240 and they say, and they saved me stuff. So I mean, I'm 480 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,359 not trying to get everything. I'm very happy with my little core of the 481 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:39,519 world. But I understand how blessed I am to have people who actually just 482 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:44,480 let me go. And we get that. And we see Jim there, 483 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,720 and we talked about this on the last podcast, how there's almost a camaraderie 484 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:52,359 of those of us that go through the discount boxes. But you know, 485 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:59,039 and what's the etutte Rich what's that etiquette? And etiquette is simply put, 486 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,279 just be nice to everybody, but you know, stand up for your rights, 487 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,440 don't and don't do stupid things. If I'm in a row, don't 488 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,519 go in the same row I'm in trying to you know, if the guy's 489 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,119 got fifty boxes, you don't have to be in the same box then go 490 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,679 to a different box. That's That's really it in a nutshell. I mean, 491 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,880 I mean, we've all found good stuff in these boxes coming off the 492 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,079 Tom Brady conversation, and I'd be interested in a lot of people in the 493 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:30,119 chats view. Is this Disney Chrome one hundred drop that was done? And 494 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,760 it was done I believe UK only, and it was it was a surprise 495 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,119 drop. It was not on to release schedules my understanding, Adam, do 496 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,159 you know more about this? Yeah, I mean I've been kind of following 497 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:50,360 those Disney cards and there was excuse me, there was a Chinese Disney. 498 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,239 There was a Chinese company that did a Disney drop earlier this year I think 499 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,119 called Phantom. I know what, there's a different name. I forget how 500 00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,719 it's like Conco. I forget the name of the the other one that they 501 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,920 call it. But it was that I think that was like early March ish 502 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,800 they dropped out those cards, and I mean they were super popular. I 503 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960 mean we saw boxes kind of when the when the stuff got announced, like 504 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,760 go pretty crazy because people in the United States were trying to buy them. 505 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880 And then last year in twenty twenty two, there was a Pixar drop that 506 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,079 a Japanese company did, and if I had to guess, I mean, 507 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,960 because I was trying to I was trying to brainstorm why they would do it 508 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,519 in the UK versus in the United States. I have to assume that there's 509 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,840 like some sort of tariff that or some sort of tax that's like not in 510 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,320 Europe, not in the UK that like potentially the US has, Like if 511 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,920 people from outside the country are trying to order something from the United States, 512 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,199 there has to be some sort of tax that doesn't exist in Europe, and 513 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,079 that's why they're probably sensor shipping charges. I think. Yeah. Well, 514 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,840 also, I mean I'm thinking maybe the other thing that I'm thinking is maybe 515 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,320 they looked at they maybe they have some sort of data that says like, 516 00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,880 here are the excuse me? They maybe they have maybe they have some sort 517 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,280 of data that says, we know that, like this country would be most 518 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,840 interested in this country in this country, and UK just happens to be right 519 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,599 in the middle. Where if they did in the United States, there are 520 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,960 you know, I don't know, you have to fly or you have to 521 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,119 ship them in a shit in a boat. I don't know if that people 522 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,599 would do that with sports cards necessarily, But like so I guess, but 523 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,639 they probably would fly whatever. But you got to see the point here. 524 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,800 I'm just imagining that they have the data tops and fanatics, they have the 525 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,960 data that says, we know that countries in Europe are going to be interested 526 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,000 in this, and even if the United States and North America are interested in 527 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,639 it, it's cheaper for it's cheaper to get the cards shipped there to hear, 528 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,280 and then it would be from here to there. I think that's probably 529 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,079 if I had to guess, you know, And I think also so random 530 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,880 Esports, he had a good comment down or she they sorry, they had 531 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,679 a good comment down there. Yeah, they're coming out that same Chinese company 532 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,000 is coming out with a Marvel set in like the next in a month, 533 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:06,360 so that those cards are probably going to be I mean, I guess they'll 534 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,880 be big. I mean Upper Deck it does do Marvel cards as well. 535 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,119 But you know, I'm guessing again, maybe it's something where it's like this 536 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,679 company is trying to get the licenses, which actually Marvel is Disney as well, 537 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,079 so I don't know, I mean Disney's licensing department. I put out 538 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,719 a video I said Disney's licensing department has been busy these past couple of years, 539 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,880 and I mean, or the other. The only other thing I can 540 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,599 think of is that the license that they have with Disney says that they can't 541 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,480 sell it in the United States, or they can't they have to sell it 542 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,400 in they have to sell it in the UK. I guess maybe that's part 543 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,320 of the licensing deal that they did potentially because also, I'm sorry one other 544 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,400 thing, just because it was it was a random drop. So it's like, 545 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,599 Disney, this seems like it's a pretty interesting, big product, and 546 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,199 they just dropped it. They just dropped it out of nowhere. So maybe 547 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,400 it's like a limited licensing. I don't really know. I mean, these 548 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,840 are kind of just all the things I'm I'm speculating on about why they would 549 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,639 drive up in the UK and not drop in the United States. Well, 550 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:07,719 I looked online. It looks like the boxes are going roughly three hundred dollars 551 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,800 in up and then the shipping runs was like thirty to fifty dollars from the 552 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,519 UK. So I'm betting that it's a licensing issue also, But it also 553 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,079 builds up a little bit of hype when you do a drop like that. 554 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,639 They probably added, you know, to the free media and the marketing a 555 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,679 lot. And I just, you know, I think the more people go 556 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,960 into non sports cards, the more you know, it might not be a 557 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,440 hobby shop and a local car shop may not be the best distribution for Disney 558 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,840 one hundred crumb set, so there might be other ways to distribute that better. 559 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,199 Rich, excuse my ignorance, how much does COMC do with nonsports anything? 560 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,639 A ton? Right? Right? We have one of the most robust, 561 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,039 if not the most robust nonsports I want to use the word catalog that 562 00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,960 I've ever seen. And we get a lot of nonsports cards in both old 563 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:04,000 and new, and there's a lot coming in every day, and I mean, 564 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,559 I'm amazed. And it's not just American. Tons of Japanese stuff comes 565 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,559 in, tons of other foreign stuff comes in. It is the most I 566 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,239 learn every day something about non sports cards that I've never seen before. I 567 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,000 do not know anything. I want to stay for the record, I don't 568 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,960 know a darn thing about Disney one hundred crumb So I let as I said, 569 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:30,679 all I to paraphrase Will Rogers in the nineteen thirties, all I ever 570 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,000 learned about Disney one hundred card is what I learned from Adam and his podcast. 571 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,679 Wow I do, I do, Actually, I do remember him saying 572 00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:45,679 that right. Ziggy says that the licensed restriction on Disney Crome in USA, 573 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,639 he's personal from the UK before. Since Ziggy's mentioning he had a great question 574 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,239 for us earlier, but I would like us to punt on that one till 575 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,760 next week because I think it's more appropriate for it. End of the year 576 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,400 show asked about you know, what type of year do you think fanatics ad 577 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,519 and I think we can expand that to what type of year did Fanatics, 578 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,320 Pannini, upper Deck and other card companies have. But I think that's a 579 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,559 really appropriate question for next week as an end of the as an end of 580 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,760 the year recap show also talking about how the National, you know, the 581 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,679 National this year was in Chicago and exploded, you know, with how many 582 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,400 many boots and how many corpors there were, and you know what they're going 583 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,519 on. I think that's a really I mean, that's just unless something breaks 584 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,360 in the next week, which I doubt whereas we're approaching the Christmas break. 585 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,119 But I think you just had any differ questions until next week. I think 586 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:43,840 you just jinxed it. There will be major hobby news and that'll make the 587 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:52,519 show even better than right. I wanted to touch on one thing as we 588 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,679 had on the home scrutch here, Adam, you had a great thing you 589 00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,440 brought to my attention. It was the list of the ten MOS graded players 590 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,840 of the past year. So this is not the ten most popular cards. 591 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,079 This is not the ten most popular players. This is the ten most grated 592 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:15,960 card created specific specifically PSA. I'm pretty sure yes A, which you know, 593 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,079 I'd be curious, but I would assume the numbers are similar. But 594 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,400 for p s A the most graded players show, Hey, makes perfect sense. 595 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:30,000 Jordan is always on the list. Julio Rodriguez, that's now he was. 596 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,440 Didn't they have a grading special at some point? I don't know. 597 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,679 I forgot he was like he was the athlete that was like, actually, 598 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:44,440 hmm, maybe, I'm not sure everybody remembers. Trevor Lawrence is a surprise. 599 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,639 I think there was a lot of build up to him going into the 600 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:53,039 season. Yeah, brock Party is likely number eleven. Well, I guarantee 601 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,239 whatever brock Party is, it's a lot more than they thought it was going 602 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,159 to be when they made the cards, right, yeah, rich any anything 603 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,239 on there to catch you off guard or anything, well off guard. But 604 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,039 it's interesting that we were talking about eighty nine upper deck Griffy. He's still 605 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,199 in the top ten of most popular players grated. Yeah, you know that 606 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:21,400 that. You know, his appeal just shows that he has the multi generational 607 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,039 appeal. Plus a lot of people who will I'm going to call them the 608 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:30,960 forty somethings that came back to the hobby in recent years, especially after you 609 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,159 know they rediscovered the cards in their closet during the pandemic. Oh, Griffy 610 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,440 was my favorite player growing up. Okay, let me send these in and 611 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:43,800 have these slab and whatever. So I think it shows that there's an enduring 612 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,639 popularity and really him that's I don't want to say surprise, but it just 613 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,920 shows I mean, the other names you kind of expect and you know somebody's 614 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,360 Yeah, Trevor Lawrence sounds higher than it should be. But remember he was 615 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,480 a college star. You know, he was known in college good look kid, 616 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:05,079 very popular, one of the best NFL quarterbacks, you know, if 617 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:09,039 I remember correctly, His cards were delayed coming out, So I wonder if 618 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:14,119 everybody finally got his cards and rushed, you know, rushed to grade maybe 619 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,039 yeah, I mean also to like, you know, the Jaguars made the 620 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:22,320 playoffs last year, so like that of all the hobby kind of stars, 621 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,920 I suppose you could call them like he probably had the best season to season 622 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,239 jump from like from the season before where they I forget that if the season 623 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,800 before was his rookie year or if it was the season before that, but 624 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,280 you know, because obviously we had during his rookie season, he had urban 625 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,679 Meyer as the coach, and that he got he literally got fired midway through 626 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,360 the season of his first season as the coach. Like that's tell was about 627 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,960 the story that urban Meyer didn't know who Aaron Donald was something something like that. 628 00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,119 Yeah, I don't know if that's true. Story, Yeah, right, 629 00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,760 like there was something some story about him like going out to the bars, 630 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,599 be like on a Saturday before the game or something like that. So 631 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,239 yeah, he got fired and then they brought in Doug Peterson, which I 632 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,639 think, you know, maybe some people within sports cards maybe people forget like 633 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,960 Doug Peterson was the coach that really brought up Carson Wentz and was like Carson 634 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,199 made Carson Wentz the MVP candidate back in twenty seventeen, so they bring him 635 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,199 in this year, and after making the playoffs last year, he was probably 636 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,280 the guy that a lot of people looked at and said, well, he's 637 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719 going to take that next big jump, hopefully in the playoffs and you know, 638 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,519 maybe make a super Bowl or like maybe you know, maybe have an 639 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,320 MVP caliber season and you know, the Jaguars are pretty good. He did 640 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,719 get hurt recently, but like so I would say he's maybe the most surprising 641 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,280 and least surprising player on that list. I'm gonna be honest, because like 642 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,920 all the other names we know, I mean, they're if you look at 643 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719 the overall I saw a graphics I think it was Sports Card Investor put out 644 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,519 like last week the most cards graded in total by any player was like Michael 645 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:57,000 Jordan had like one point two million, and then Kenngrive Junior had like nine 646 00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,199 hundred thousand. So it's like the people are still submitted those cards for those 647 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,599 players. So I'm actually even a little bit surprised that like Griffy isn't a 648 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,000 little bit higher up the list. I mean maybe at this point, I 649 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719 don't know how much. I don't know which cards people are grading for Griffy. 650 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,519 I mean, I mean same with even Michael Jordan. It's like everybody 651 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,559 is just getting every Griffy or Jordan card graded, probably because you know, 652 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,320 that's just if you want to get this in a slab, it's probably not 653 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,880 super expensive anymore. Yeah, the Griffy inserts that's a good point. I 654 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,519 don't know what I mean. Jordan's right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, definitely 655 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,960 like this comment. And Adam, would you mind not touching on this? 656 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:42,199 Yeah? Sure, Mantle, Griffy, Trout is a story of generational names 657 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,599 that will persist in popularity. Does that? Did I persist? Is that 658 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:52,280 the correct? I think the point is that those three will will end up, 659 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,639 you know, outliving maybe Trevor Lawrence and Hobby collected. Right. Yeah. 660 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,400 Well, and also Trut's not on this list, so I mean, 661 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,079 if I had to guess, he's probably in the top he has to be 662 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,440 in the top fifteen. But like you know, I think it's interesting there's 663 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:12,800 one two, three four four of the top ten are football. I think 664 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,480 it's an interesting list because it's and then one two three three are basketball, 665 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:22,320 and then one two three three are baseball, So it's really I mean, 666 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,280 it's a mixture of all the kind of top sports. So I mean, 667 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,400 I think that's a good thing if you're kind of looking at like overall interest 668 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,119 in all of these sports. Like the fact that this year the list consists 669 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,519 of every kind of important sport within sports cards. Not that hockey isn't important, 670 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,719 it's just not a sport that I feel like a lot of people get. 671 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,239 It's it's not as large a sport as some of these other ones, 672 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,760 like the gap as much is much more significant than I think, like basketball 673 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,239 to baseball. Yes, that's another Urban Meyer story. That's when you were 674 00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,280 referring to his after yeah right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 675 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,119 rich you know, throughout kind of grading, I think people forget grading didn't 676 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,559 start until the nineties. Am I am, I right on that you are 677 00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:14,440 correct. Grading began in the nineties. I know, we began beck at 678 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,880 grading like nineties eight ninety nine. PSA's first cards are ninety one. It 679 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,360 really took about and to me when eBay and other internet sites started becoming a 680 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,400 dominant way of selling cards. I've always been a proponent of grading, and 681 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,760 I always used to say grading cards and I'm not saying nobody's perfect, including 682 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,239 grading card companies that I want that clear, but they're pretty good. They're 683 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,119 very good. And one of the things is that if I buy a PSA 684 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,320 seven nineteen sixty eight tops Mickey Mantle card or a BVEG seven Mickey Mantle card, 685 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,599 or an SGC seven or a CSG or CGC seven Mickey Mantle card, 686 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,880 I have a pretty darn good idea what it looks like, and I can 687 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,800 buy that card with a lot more confidence than Danny. I trust you as 688 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,280 a greater but if you say near mint, you're near mind might be might 689 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,559 be my VGX, or something may happen in the mail. A great acquired 690 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,119 is more secure. I mean, you can't break those Becket holders in the 691 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,199 mail. If you can break a record holder in the mail, it's gone 692 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:25,920 through being brand under a truck. And so it really helps sales worldwide and 693 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,719 on the internet because it gives you a more comfortable feeling of what you're buying. 694 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:37,480 And again I want to stress nobody's perfect, but it's good. And 695 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,760 that's why I use the p s A seven because the odds are A seven 696 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,320 is a seven, yes, and you know ZIGGI makes a point that grating 697 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:52,199 is a third party opinion. He's not wrong about that, but it gives 698 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:59,119 you some some range of consistency. Maybe one company is off a number, 699 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,800 maybe it's half a grade, whatever it is, but you're usually gonna know 700 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,280 the difference between the two and and eight is gonna tell you a lot more 701 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:14,519 So I agree with Yeah, opinions are not perfect. Yeah, and you 702 00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,519 were all in agreement on that, but I have a general view, not 703 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:22,159 not that it's dead on. I mean, before PSA went too point five, 704 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,199 a card technically if it's a seven, could be between six point five 705 00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,920 to one and seven point four nine. Yep. If you and I think 706 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,679 I think to range, I think too, like yeah, there you know 707 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,639 there are I think I'm gonna use this word correctly anecdotes like if you look 708 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,440 on Twitter, you or you know, Instagram or any of these things. 709 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,159 Sure, there's like a couple of times where you'll see somebody graded a card 710 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:49,960 with all the different companies and gave them wildly different grades. I would say 711 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:54,800 that's probably I would say that's that's not what happens all the time. Like 712 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,760 if you were to do that experiment a hundred times. I'm sure you're obviously 713 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,760 going to get a wide range potentially of a card. You kind of also 714 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,239 have to look at like if you're breaking a card out of a slab, 715 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,559 you know, it's just it's more work that has to be done to more 716 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,039 fingers are going to be on that card. So you know, you know, 717 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,679 whether you whether you think handling a card affects the grade or not, 718 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,599 like it's just every single time you're taking it out of the slab and getting 719 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,679 it regraded, there's more people that are handling the card, all these types 720 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:24,920 of things, and so I just think that like that, you know, 721 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,519 you will see those types of posts online because it you know, those are 722 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,519 the type of posts that do well because a lot of people like to not 723 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,199 they like to hate on grading companies, and that's just it is what it 724 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,039 is, like, so you're gonna see those posts do well. You're not 725 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,559 going to see obviously the posts of somebody I don't know cracking a card and 726 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,599 it getting basically the same grade, because it's like, well, who cares, 727 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,440 but got the same grade? Like that just means that the grading is 728 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,880 more on point than people want to admit, which I'm also in the in 729 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:59,199 the sense that like grading is it's it's it's some it's one person's opinion, 730 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,440 like we keep you word is one person's opinion on what the card looks like. 731 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,679 Sure, you know, there's probably a couple of people looking at certain 732 00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:07,679 cards, but the PSA just has a great so many cards that like they're 733 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,280 just they're looking at it quick, moving on, looking at it quick, 734 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,679 moving on. Maybe less now than they were back in like a couple of 735 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,639 years ago, but that's that's kind of the process, at least from my 736 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,159 knowledge of how that stuff is going on. Good comment here from Still City 737 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,719 again. Also, it's easier to know the difference between a five and seven 738 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,920 in vintage versus knowing the difference between an eight and a ten and chrome. 739 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,880 Yeah, now, I mean, there's no doubt that the different types of 740 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,679 cards give you make it easier or harder different ways to look at them. 741 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,599 Some people like my vintage cards. I don't care about the grade at all. 742 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,280 It's all about the visual appeal to me. If I was buying a 743 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,360 new card, I really I don't know why. I don't really want a 744 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,800 chrome in a six. Something about that just seems like it seems like a 745 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,000 modern Dave Beater. I don't think I don't want any twenty three card, 746 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,440 twenty twenty three card in a six, that's right, that's what you know. 747 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,000 So it's I don't know. I I think the card. You expect 748 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,199 the average grade of a card DIF from this year to be eight point five 749 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,000 to nine. Yeah, you know, you know it won't be perfect, 750 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,639 but it'll be nice. Yes, absolutely, Mookie says I'd be interested in 751 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,719 a top fifty most grade in twenty twenty three. Probably fair amount of players 752 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,559 into that list who are just twenty twenty four hobby irrelevant every year, every 753 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:37,480 year, every year, every year. And that's why the comment that Adam 754 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,840 I asked you to read before Mantle, you know, trout, Uh, 755 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,400 generational guys, I think rich going back, I'm gonna bring this full circle 756 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,280 our original conversational show Hey, he's really making now he's the next generational talent. 757 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:57,719 You know what's interesting is show Hey is etro to the next level? 758 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,199 Right Well, Show Hey is probably you know, the best natural player since 759 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:09,119 Mantle. You know, he's the fastest player in baseball. He's probably got 760 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,360 he can throw faster than anybody, and he's got a ton of power. 761 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,400 I mean, he is in the sense the Babe Ruth of this generation, 762 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,920 and I don't I mean, he's getting hurt a little more than Babe Ruth, 763 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,599 but that was what Babe Ruth could do nobody else in one hundred years. 764 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,760 You know, when we stay once in a hundred years show hey, 765 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,440 truly is once in a hundred years. I mean, we haven't had pictures 766 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,320 who could basically lead the league in e er and home runs in the same 767 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,519 year since Papeth. Right, well, I think it's only because they didn't 768 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:44,599 draft and draft me. But you know, well, and I actually just 769 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,360 have I have one other thing is I mean, I think with Trout. 770 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,320 I know a lot of people in the comments are saying Trout's overrated now he's 771 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880 fallen off or whatever. But it's like things can change very quickly. If 772 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,199 Trout has one MVP type season and brings the Angels to the playoffs, like 773 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,119 everyone opinion on Trout is going to change very quickly. I think just a 774 00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:06,119 good example is like Russell Wilson this year, for the through the first couple 775 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,360 of games of the season, Russell Wilson was like pretty bad and everyone was 776 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,039 kind of like crapping all over him, and I looked at him him like 777 00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,360 he's like he's good, Like he's not He's not a bad quarterback. And 778 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,960 you know, you look at the last like eight or nine games and he's 779 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,119 like been playing at like a really high level, and like the Broncos are 780 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,320 like almost in front of the Chiefs in terms of their division. So it's 781 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,519 like, I I just think that you know, obviously players in the players 782 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,320 that are hobby relevant, I think it's it could happen very quickly. You 783 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,559 know. I also would say definitely could happen very quickly in the other direction. 784 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,199 Look at Mac Jones for example, like he like, you know, 785 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,920 he was going into this year, was this was the last year for him 786 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,000 really to kind of figure everything out, and he didn't. But like the 787 00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,079 past couple of years, it was like, Okay, well maybe he'll turn 788 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,440 it around. And then he kind of just kept going down, which you 789 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,400 know, obviously not super pumped about that. But we will, uh we 790 00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,000 will. We will move on from me crying about my Patriots. Well, 791 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,159 Patriots had a nice twenty year run, so you know, yeah, dang, 792 00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,039 I was gonna say, nobody feels bad for you ad them on this 793 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:08,760 one. Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, well you should because 794 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,800 my team's in the last place for the first time ever. So back in 795 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,960 the sixties, the Patriots weren't always that good either. They were good in 796 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,840 the early days of the AFL, but then slumped for a long time. 797 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,840 I mean they they really had problems in the sixties and seventies, and every 798 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,760 once in a while they crawled the playoffs and then crawl back. So I 799 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,280 mean, you've had a great twenty year run. Please enjoy the fact. 800 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,280 Well, I mean, that's honestly, that's why I enjoy sports. I 801 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,159 think that's one reason why. No, I don't want to throw my rings 802 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:43,400 in everyone's faces here, but I think that's one of the reasons why I 803 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,840 enjoy sports cards so much, is because, like I can root for players 804 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,920 who aren't on my team, Like I can root for any player in the 805 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,760 MLB because the Red Sox have won a couple of championships or uh or the 806 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,599 you know, obviously the Patriots have won won six or whatever. But I 807 00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,920 can root for the younger players because I don't have to. I mean, 808 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,440 I do root for my teams, but I don't have to worry about you 809 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,639 know, I'm not living and dying by the except for maybe the Celtics. 810 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,519 Those are the that's really the only team I am living and dying by. 811 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,719 But but that's that's kind of beside the point. But like I said, 812 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:17,679 it's it's it's it's it's enjoying the uh, it's enjoying players nowadays versus you 813 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:22,719 know, I could see how other people may like not not enjoy the sports 814 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,119 the same way. Well, thank you, Ziggy for that nice comment about 815 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:30,079 Adam and I think we're approaching the top of the hours. I was just 816 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:36,840 I was just about to bring us back around. I always love asking my 817 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,519 my my going out question. Rich, You're doing anything for the hobby this 818 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:43,079 week? I've already talked about that at the beginning of the show. I 819 00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:46,639 know you are. Yes, I'm going to the Est Sports Cards tonight for 820 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:53,400 their secret Santa Trade the Trade Night, and it'll be a party there too. 821 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,159 They'll have food, they'll have drinks. Last year they at cookies. 822 00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:00,519 They also have giveaways to those that participate. I think the owner posted on 823 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:07,320 Facebook and IG it's like twenty five thousand dollars worth of stuff he's been able 824 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,800 to go out to give to all of us too, So I mean we'll 825 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,320 get extra stuff too. Plus since it just came out, I will make 826 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,519 sure I buy a heritage high number box because I am a heritage guy and 827 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,119 I'm looking and I don't care. You know, the good thing with heritage, 828 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:23,320 you don't care what really what you get out of the box. It's 829 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,960 the fun. It's like the Hey, I'm back in nineteen seventy four and 830 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,360 I remember opening seventy four tops cards. So and I've served them in my 831 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,079 life, So to me, that's a pretty good hobby day in itself too, 832 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,239 not bad for an NFL weekend. Also, Adam, what are you 833 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,480 doing? I mean, like I said before, I've been posting more videos 834 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,239 on TikTok, so I'm probably actually going to record some videos this weekend. 835 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,239 I lot to have, you know, it's the weekend, have a little 836 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,000 more time. So I mean heroes for sale on TikTok. I've been, 837 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,840 you know, trying to get back into making videos a little bit more often 838 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,920 than I had been, because you know, I just I love hobby. 839 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,480 Content. Make content is my hobby. So it's like that's it's you know, 840 00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,000 and I like doing the stuff around sports cards. So that's kind of 841 00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:09,000 my thing. And then also just one other point is I always try and 842 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,400 say this before my shows, is like, there's gonna be new people coming 843 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,079 in, Uh, just you know, be nice to these people. Like 844 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,199 I know that sometimes within sports cards it can it can get a little dicey, 845 00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:22,360 it can get a little hectic, and you know if you're on Twitter 846 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:28,639 or Instagram or all of these types of things. But you know, for 847 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,239 for everybody that's you know, creating content or even just people answering questions on 848 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,880 Twitter, just be nice to these new people coming in. At one point 849 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,480 you were in their shoes and didn't know anything about the hobby the same in 850 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:40,079 the same way. That's what I always want to say that at the end 851 00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:45,079 of most shows that I'm on. Absolutely and since Adam's getting a lot of 852 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,320 love in the chat room, you can find him every place he mentioned, 853 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,159 and I'll be proud to say you can hear him every morning on a Hobby 854 00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:59,719 News daily podcast. He does the Morning Minute, so that's his his short 855 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,519 more podcast every day of the week and the weekly summary put out on the 856 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,719 weekends. With all that being said, my hobby weekend is going to be 857 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:14,719 some sorting, some cards, actually hanging out maybe with Chris Soule on a 858 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,559 collection and we'll see from there. To everybody in the chat room, thanks 859 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:23,000 for joining us, Happy holidays, and I don't know when I'll be on 860 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,079 next, but i'll see you then. Well it would be you were John, 861 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,239 so we'll see one of you next week. To take care, guys, see it