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Hello everyone, and welcome to the
latest episode of Hardwood Notas. This is

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Adam from We'll here with my fantastic
co host Dan Favalley. We've already covered

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the Western Conference when we looked at
the top projected target both in free agency

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and on the trade market for each
team. Now we're moving to the Eastern

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Conference, so we'll be running through
all fifteen teams alphabetically, beginning with the

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Atlanta Hawks and moving to the Washington
Wizards, and again just trying to identify

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what we expect them to pursue during
the upcoming off season. But as always,

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before we move into that, I
have to ask you, Dan,

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how's it going today. I am
exhausted, as you know, but I

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have no complaints overall based off what
I do for a living. I cover

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a fucking game. So this is
a fun time of year. And I

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know it's not your favorite time of
year when we're talking about hypotheticals, but

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I love free agency, I love
trade rumors, and the draft is fun.

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I preface everything I say about the
draft, and I go on radio

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shows on podcasts now though by like
I am not a draft expert, and

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they'll proceed to ask me these like
super nuanced questions about the draft anyway.

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So, but it's an exciting time
of year. And how about yourself.

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You still sound a little sick,
But I hope, I hope that you're

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overall feel better. I'm just I'm
still a little congested here. You can

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hear the nasallyiness. Is that a
word? It's going to be a word

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now. It's a word now.
But I am gonna rebut your point about

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this not being one of my favorite
times of year. I actually do enjoy

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this part where we're like central in
the draft discussion, which I do very

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much enjoy, and like actually looking
at free agency because I think it moves

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away from too many unrealistic hypotheticals and
focuses on more realistic hypotheticals, which is

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exactly what we're trying to do here. Rather than crafting like the fake trades

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that really aren't going to happen.
Shout out to our episode on fake trades.

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This is more like we're airing on
the side of realism here and trying

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to focus on things that legitimately could
happen. Yeah, that's really true.

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It's easier to talk about or more
fun to talk about in my eyes,

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even though I'll come up with hypothetical
trades or free agency scenarios all day,

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when there are like tangible reports,
even if you don't believe them, sort

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of trying to debunk them work your
way back from there. That makes it

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exciting as well. But I'm ready
to do this Eastern Conference thing. There

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are a lot of teams that are
I think harder in the West. There

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in the East, there's more of
that true middle class I guess where their

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direction is harder to discern. I
found that it was harder to get specific

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with some of these Eastern Conference teams
as I was prepping for this one,

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where it felt like with the West, I have no idea why this was

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the case, but it felt easier
to pinpoint specific players, and in the

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East I found myself leaning more towards
generalities and just player archetypes or positions that

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needed to be filled. Perhaps it's
because a lot of the Eastern Conference teams

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have more obvious glaring holes. Yeah, I mean, even the team we're

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starting with first is like they just
the Hawks just made the Eastern Conference finals,

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and I think they're so good.
They have so many good players,

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but it's like, what there's still
feel one ridiculously good player short of being

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at anything like to get back to
that level in the East next ener.

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We've seen the rumors that like they
might be interested in moving back the timeline

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a little bit with some of the
younger pieces and dealing in Cam Reddish or

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DeAndre Hunter for another premier pick in
this upcoming draft or something along those lines.

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And then there's the big looming John
Collins question, is he gonna get

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paid? Is he gonna end up
signing elsewhere? If he does sign elsewhere,

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is it an offer sheet that Atlanta
is going to match. So there

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are still a lot of moving pieces
with this Hawks team, even though it

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does feel like the core is at
least somewhat solidified. So my pick for

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them was really just like any three
and D wing, Like, if you

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name a three and D wing,
that's the kind of player Atlanta should be

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pursuing. And because it made the
Eastern Conference Finals this past season, I

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think it opens the door to pursue
more of a veteran three and D guy

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than someone with upside, because you
do have upside scattered throughout the roster.

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So the name that kept coming to
mind for me was Danny Green. Now

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he is not the same that he
wasn't his prime, But I do think

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it's eminently realistic that he could sign
a veteran minimum contract or you know,

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something a little bit more than that, and join a team like the Hawks

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that could be one perfect fitting role
player away from emerging from that Eastern Conference

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Finals contention into like true NBA finals
contention. Yeah, and it's you know,

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they're still like sort of flexible this
offseason, even with factoring in that

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they're going to have to pay John
Collins, so they could you know,

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even just having by virtue of the
full mid level exception, the bigger mid

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level exception, it does put you
in a position to sign someone like that.

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I also thought, do they need
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their rosters in like this consolidation mode. But I also one of the things

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that I think they could do is, I know you said they suggested I'm

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moving their timeline back. Does that
included maybe of I don't want to say,

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perpetuating the status quo, But like
a move I came up with for

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them that I actually really like is
get Avery Bradley and Daniel House from the

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Houston Rockets for Chris Dunn and that
okay, twenty twenty two first rounder,

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which is Latto protected and turns into
two seconds if it doesn't convey. That's

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a move that I think makes them
deeper, more serviceable, maybe not noticeably

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better, and then still sort of
allows them to plumb. I know there's

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been rumors they might want to trade
Cam Reddish, but still seeing what they

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have in their wing rotation with Kevin
Hurder, with DeAndre Hunter who's been injured,

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with Cam Reddish who's been injured himself, but also just flash that upside

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towards the end of their series with
the Milwaukee Bucks. So I'm curious if

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they would go that route. I
don't know that there's they could make a

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nuclear trade. But even when you
look at the best players out there on

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the trade market, you don't see
Beal, Lavigne, Siakam. They all

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like the Hawks might have the assets
to get them. I don't. I

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just don't think that they're necessarily what
the Hawks would need. The name that's

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being the name that's out there that
I think might make sense for them if

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he's actually available, which would argue
he's not shay Gil just Alexander even though

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he is extensionable. I say he
really is willing to trade him. I

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love the fit next to Trey Young. There, Yeah, that would be

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great. I just I can't see, okay, see actually pulling the trigger

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on that kind of trade. I
think for me, the Hawks eyed deal

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offseason looks like moving Chris Dunn and
Danilo Gallinari for more help on the wings

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and a consolidation kind of trade,
and probably trying to resign John Collins,

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even if it means that you're moving
pretty far into the tax. But ultimately

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this is one of those rosters where
it proved how competitive it was with Trey

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Young at the helm, and there's
still so much internal room for growth because

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there are just a bajillion young players. I mean, Anyuko Kongu is set

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back because he had shoulder surgery.
I believe that he just underwent that hurts

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a little bit, but even still
like he'll be back by the time the

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stretch run is happening. There are
enough pieces, and we saw him flash

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his potential during the playoffs. There
is a lot of incumbent talent that has

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yet to be plumbed on this roster. If you had to lastly you wrap

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up on them. Would you lean. Everyone wants the three and D wing,

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but they're so hard to find,
especially in this market, and especially

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when you're working with the same spending
tool is probably a majority of the rest

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of the league. Do you lean
more defense or more offense for them on

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the wings right now? Definitely definitely
more defense, especially if John Collins is

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back where I think that the Trey
Young alone guarantees you a high floor offense

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and you just have to be able
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he can shoulder that burden for the
entirety of the season and postseason. Yeah,

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and I think the flyer one and
this leans more defense, I think,

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given how he's played. But Josh
Richardson might be another name if he

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declines his player option or if Dallas
is looking to trade him like that would

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be interesting. And I know the
last one I'll mention is people have mentioned

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Spencer Dimwitty. I don't hate his
fitnext to Trey, but I agree with

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you that I think you need to
lean more defense and did what he doesn't?

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You know, he's kind of crimpster
spacing and he's fine on defense,

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but it's not you know, the
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So I'm an agreement with your assessment
there. I believe we're onto the Boston

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Celtics. They're weird because they made
the cost cutting move with the Kema Walker

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trade to give them some wiggle room
under like the tax, but not enough

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to where they would stay out of
it. As of right now, just

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based off the salary sheets that I'm
using, if they resign Evan Fournier,

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they're probably going into the tax.
As of now, they have barely over

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ten million dollars in tax re Mentoring
the offseason, I think you need Evan

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Fournier back because you've now traded one
of your shock creators even though he was

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injured for another big and Horford and
Jalen Brown is recovering from his injury.

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Maybe he's ready to start the season, maybe he's not. Just because of

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that quick turnaround, you need the
secondary shock creation more than ever. That's

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also what you kind of need to
suss out though on the market, and

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you don't. I don't know.
It's so hard to project them, is

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what I'm getting at. Because will
they Yes, they have the ability to

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work with the non tax players mid
level of exception if they're actually willing to

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pay the tax and stay below the
apron. I don't know if they're willing

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to do that. Their trade tards
could be, can you dump Tristan Thompson

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into cap space and then give yourself
flexibility to go on the mid level market

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that way? Are you going to
use your minimid level? Are even willing

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to use them an mid level?
You're trying to duct the tax all together.

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They're in such a bizarre spot.
I would argue that they just need

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if they can get there, They're
not going to be in like the Conley

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Lowry, Lonzo Ball, even Dinwoody
tier. If you can get like a

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see what happens with another like kind
of attacking guard, what happens with Green,

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Draguchi's team option in Miami. Maybe
even Cameron Payne as an affordable option.

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Him coming out of Phoenix. Reggie
Jackson would be interesting. I just

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really don't think he leaves the Clippers. That's really my focus to them.

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They could use secondary wings. So
if you know you can get a Bullock,

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if you can get a Danny Green
would be nice there. If you

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can get a Josh Richardson, those
names are going to continue to come up

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and up, But you have Tatum
and Brown already, and if you're gonna

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resign Fournier and you have just so
many bigs, I think you need to

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focus on solidifying sort of your backup
playmaking role or just getting someone else in

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that regard. And I don't even
know, like do they even have the

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asset juice to trade for someone of
that caliber. I would argue, no,

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we've pitched the Marcus Smart deal,
divesting him into like a pick Monte

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Morris and PJ. Doger. I
don't know that they'll go that route because

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Marcus Smart is such a cultural touchstone
for them, and beyond that, like

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the secondary playmaker trade market, it's
just it's so undefined right now when you're

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going through it. I don't know
what would be realistic for them, in

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large part because are they willing to
take on money. Eric Gordon would make

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a lot of sense in Boston.
My guests would be that they just don't

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want to foot the bill for him, and you run out of salary filler

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really quickly after Tristan Thompson. So
confusing, But I think I'd like to

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see them add just to their secondary
ring rotation, but more so than anything.

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They need to focus on getting to
be another creator in there. It's

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like you were just trying to perfectly
segue into what I had tied up for

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the Boston Celtics, because I'm kind
of operating under the assumption that they're going

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to bring fourtyer back and any other
tangible upgrades are going to happen through trades

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around the fringes. I would love
to see them focus on bringing in a

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capable, bigger ball handler. So
I'm gonna throw two names at you that

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I came up with as like lower
level trade targets that I think make a

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lot of sense for this team.
Haven't put together exact trade packages here since

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so much as in flux, especially
with the draft so close to actually happening.

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But the first is Delaan Wright,
who I think would just be an

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absolutely ideal fit here. I like
that and it sort of works with I

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don't know if Sacramento would do this
after they kind of just acquired Delaan right

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at the deadline. Are leading up
to the deadline lat year anyway, But

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if they lose Rashaun Holmes in free
agency, just having Tristan Thompson is a

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stop get stop get big, those
salaries align almost perfectly. That was my

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thought exactly. And then my second
name is Thomas Satoranski. Yeah, I

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would wonder if and yeah, I
think, look, if you're going to

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use him as like a your third
point guard behind Smart and let's say Tatum,

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if we're going to assume that he
carry's offense, that's you know,

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kind of had just a nondescript season
in Chicago. But I wouldn't hate that

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one either. I'd be curious to
see what is the money you're giving up

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there. That's what makes Boston tough
is you're using Christan Thompson basically in Chicago

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definitely doesn't have a use for for
Thompson unless they're not going to resign Daniel

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Tis, who the Celtics traded away
for nothing to Let's not talk about that

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though, that the Celtics just a
lot of moving pieces. But I think

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with both of those guys, you
get that secondary or tertiary ball handling ability.

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They can run bench lineups, and
they're big enough to be switchable on

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wing defense and kind of alleviate some
of the pressure that Brown and Tatum have

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on them because those guys have to
do so much for this Boston team the

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way that it's currently constructed. Can
I throw a trade target at you for

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them? I'm curious to see what
your reaction is. Let's do it.

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Con Sexton. That's such a tier
up, I mean, yeah, like

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an ideal fit. He would really
elevate this team with a pure attacking guard

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mentality. But you're now giving up
a lot to get him. I imagine

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that Smart has to be involved in
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thinking that you're looking at one or
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they wanted Langford and Nie Smith take
them, but then you're probably giving up

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like two first round picks down the
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two first and Langford or Nie Smith, I'm just curious to know. Is

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that not enough to get Sexton when
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think that's what drags down his value. Where we just talked about Shay Gil

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just Alexander briefly, who would by
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and twenty eight other teams in the
NBA outside of Oklahoma City, but they

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definitely don't have the juice to get
him because he is the guy that you

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max out and you just do it
without thinking. Sexton, I think he's

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really good, He's not that from
scratch shock Creed or even if he gets

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going downhill. Sure, but his
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The fact that he can score so
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dribbling into like those slow set threes, that's great, but it just lacks

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that star quality. And so I
do think that his and I hate looking

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at players in these terms. We
on this podcast want every player to get

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paid, and we both think context
and is hasn't proved a great deal.

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I would just be wondering if you
gave them two first, that you could

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protect them two first and one of
the you know, like Langford Dud does

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Cleveland think about it? Maybe they
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off. You can feel free to
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I'm just curious to see what if
Sexton gets moved, what he'd end up

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going for. I think I just
questioned it more from Boston's side, we

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don't yet have a feel for how
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office there, but it does feel
like an awful lot to part with for

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a guy where you're not sure that
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high enough to be a true title
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pay him. And with the extensions
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that's a lot of money to commit
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as your first move as a general
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if we're talking about Boston being cost
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within this season because Sexton is so
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their free agencies at the same time
when you maxed out or Mere maxed out

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Jalen Brown and the maxed out Jason
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it's hey, we'll pay you,
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go away, fourteen more five million
to go away, or we're going to

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give you all twenty six point five
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a very expensive season for them.
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Join. Speaking of expensive seasons,
though Frooklyn nets. I mean, this

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one feels easy because ultimately this roster
is so ridiculously expensive already that you're just

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looking for veterans. We're going to
sign cheap and fill in the cracks.

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And all I want out of this
NBA offseason now that we've on through this

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exercise, is to watch Nicholas Claxton
and Nerland's Noel share the floor. That's

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all I want. Wait, what
run that by me one more time?

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Run it back? Please? I
just I want to see Nicholas Claxton and

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Nerland's Noel on the floor at the
same time reeking defensive havoc while Kevin Durant,

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James Harden, and Kyrie Irving do
all of the scoring, the switchability,

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the impact on passing lanes, the
rim protection. That would be so

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fun. I don't know whether to
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the wall to do that. You're
welcome. I think they could. My

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guests would be they're in this position
where they haven't not the mini mid level.

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Does that get you both, Blake
Griffin and Jeff Greenback, do you

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think or would you guess that one
of them is gone. I think Jeff

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Green's gone. I think he's played
well enough that I think someone's going to

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throw him more money. He was
a legitimately impact player both with the Big

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three available, however short that duration
was, and in some of their stead

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Yeah, they do have Bruce Brown
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I think one of Green or Griffin
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it was more likely to be Green, to be honest with you, but

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he might be in hire demand than
Griffin at this point. Who knows.

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And both of those guys, Brown
and Green were just so in smart,

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so smart and important to the way
that they were just running their center rotation.

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I'm wondering if they can get someone
else then if you're gonna if you

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think you're gonna lose Jeff Green and
or Bruce Brown, is there like a

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cheap He's not a big but a
bigger wing who will give you some super

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small minutes at the five and immediately
I'm drawn to if Otto Porter needs to

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be needs to rebuilt, rehabilitate his
value, I apologize, I can't speak

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tonight or Nicholas Batum, and I
don't know why necessarily he'd want to leave

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the Clippers after the season he had, But I do think the Nets can

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promise him like a semi prominent role
I'm compared to the Clippers, not a

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more prominent one. But like if
Nicholas between went to Utah, like a

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lot of people including us, talked
about, he's not guaranteed any sort of

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minutes there. There's a reality or
a world in which he could be a

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part of Brooklyn's closing lineup. The
two things that I'm wondering about this team.

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They're more interesting from a trade perspective
for me because they have DeAndre Jordan,

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who's apparently available. I guess Kadi
and Kyrie getting him that four year

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mid level deal was enough. They
can trade him now. He apparently is

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available, so I don't think he's
an asset to anyone, but his salary

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at ten million a year about that
helps move some that can help acquire back

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some money. And then also I
think Spencer did what he ends up getting

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signed and traded was one of my
predictions for the offseason. I don't know

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where you land on that, but
those are mechanisms they could use to get

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back a player that a team is
expensive. Really Otherwise wouldn't have access to.

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I agree with you. I would
be shocked if Dinwoody is back,

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just because as talented as he is, they don't have as much use for

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him as another team is going to. I have no idea what they'll be

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able to turn him into. And
I think that's kind of the theme of

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this whole Brooklyn off season, which
is, we have limited resources. We

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have three superstars who are all capable
of carrying an offense. Let's get the

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best player we can, like just
adopt the true best player available. Mentality,

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you don't really need to fill a
certain archetype because you have Kevin Durant,

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Kyrie Irving, and James Harden.
Yeah, that's like, that's really

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why I initially went to Nerland's Noel
because ultimately, like you do need more

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defense. I think that has been
demonstrated pretty convincingly, and he's probably the

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most impactful, low money potential defensive
acquisition on the market. And I do

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think that he works with Claxton.
I do think he works as the lone

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big with some of these smaller lineups. He's not going to play a lot

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of minutes, which is probably beneficial
because you do want to be running a

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lot of smaller lineups out with this
roster construction, he makes sense on basically

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every level for me, even if
it is a little bit off the wall.

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The two sign and trade ideas I
had for din Witty, I think

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this one's pretty standard. Is if
you sent him to la for the Lakers

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for number twenty two and Kuzma.
I think, you know, the Nets

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don't need first round picks, but
then all of a sudden, you have

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two first round prospects. We'll ken
you turn those into And I think kuzmuch

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he's turned into a than an offensive
player. That's what I was gonna say,

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more valuable defensive than an offensive player. And there's a chance there's a

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chance that with the space that all
of Brooklyn shot creators could generate, that

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we see his catch and shoot threes
go through the roof and that it's okay.

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I actually think one of the complaints
from the Lakers under the spectrum is

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that he has never been that secondary
creator that he was is a rookie,

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where his he was like one of
the top five most efficient isolation players in

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the league that year in Brooklyn.
You almost want that, and so that

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would be a good fit the other
one is a little bit more off the

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walls. But let's say Dallas wants
to have their cake and eat it too.

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They want to keep Tim Hardaway junior, but still make a significant free

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agency acquisition. They don't get Conley, they don't get Lowry. A sign

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and trade of Dinwitty to Dallas,
or if Josh Richardson, Opson and MAXI

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Kleiba was something that I thought about, we might be a fun fit there,

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for sure. I like what I
but I like Kleiba and Josh Richardson.

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Meanwhile, in Brooklyn, I wonder
if Dallas would be like no way

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on Kleiba, because that's how important
he's become to the way that they play.

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That also would not surprise me.
I think Cuban in particular really seems

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to like him. I feel like
that's our que to move on to Charlotte

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at that point that actually there was
actually no subtext intended there, Okay,

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but I promise, like legitimately,
and I know this from a few years

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back, because Cuban did actually retweet
a few NBA math things that were highlighting

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how good Kleiba was in a small
role as a rookie. Let's move on

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to Charlotte anyway, though, they
could be working with a ton of cap

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space this summer if they want.
They have a fairly easy access to more

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than twenty million dollars in room if
they're willing to renounce Molik Monk pretty much

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all their own free agents, sept
for DeVante Graham because his cap hold is

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so small, and that's also with
them guaranteeing contracts for Cody and Caleb Martin,

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and then of course John McDaniels,
who remains intriguing. I think everyone

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expects them to spend on a big
I know people have mentioned Jared Allen.

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I don't think he's leaving Cleveland.
Maybe if the Cavs draft Evan Nobily that

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changes. I love Rashaun Holmes in
Charlotte too. I think that's sort of

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stealing the names I have written down. Well, I think that's sort of

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the long hanging fruit. So I
won't spend a ton of time on that,

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but I thought one what I thought
about, I don't know why he

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would go there unless they're gonna overpay
him, and just looking at their ages,

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a PJ. Tucker or Paul millsapp
would be good to spend some five

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minutes with the way that Charlotte played
Jamichael Green, I would like there too.

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I think you could maybe also go
the route of if you're looking for

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like really high energy and you're still
playing up the youthful upside and you don't

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want to spend the time, maybe
you've also drafted a big Jared Vanderbilt in

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Charlotte would be incredibly fun. And
I think I don't want to say people

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are misidentifying Charlotte's need. They definitely
do need a big, but they also

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need wings, like these two way
wings. They have Gordon Hayward, but

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that's really it. Miles Bridges.
Yeah, he's really malleable, portable on

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defense, but he's not a wing. You have Gordon Hayward. And now

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what's that they have Lee Angelo Ball. Now that's right, I retract everything

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I just said. So I'm just
curious to see, like, do they

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spend maybe a little bit less on
a big like enter the Daniel Kismold,

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or maybe they look at Norland's Nowell
who can still run the floor fairly well,

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or like I mentioned, one of
the veteran names, who might they're

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like smaller, more contemporary fives.
If you want to call them that,

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and then could they be a team
that like try to sneaks into the Josh

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Hart discussion or just something along those
lines. I wouldn't mind if they went

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that route. I just questioned whether, And I'll throw it to you there

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on that one. If you're Charlotte, are you looking to spend a bulk

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of your let's say a lion share
of your cap space on deepening or let's

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say diversifying the wing rotation or are
you really zeroing in on that big.

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I'm still zeroing in on the big. I think Heart does make a lot

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of sense. I can see them
moving LaMelo Ball to let Grant Riller run

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the show like. That's definitely on
the table, But ultimately the focus does

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have to be on the bigs.
You're gonna make Lamello's life a lot easier

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by having someone who can do more
than the incumbent centers on the roster.

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You need someone who can set screens
and actually finish plays or create a little

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bit of offense for himself and protect
the rim a little bit more efficiently so

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that Ball can not have to worry
as much about allowing penetration. It is

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low hanging fruit, but I want
to see them throw all of the money

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that they can at Jared Allen.
The fit there just makes way too much

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sense, just that uber athletic,
uber energetic, defense focused roleman. It

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feels like he is a very ideal
running mate for LaMelo Ball and Miles Bridges

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in particular. Beyond that, I
would love to see them lean more into

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that youthful rebuilding mentality and make a
play from Marvin Bagley now that he's available

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from the Sacramento King, because that
feels like a really good buy low opportunity

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where if you can get him to
stay healthy on a team that does have

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a lot of pieces around him who
are growing in conjunction with him, that

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could that could be a move that
pays off really nicely. Do you I

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guess I agree? But you like
Alan here better than Holmes, I'm assuming

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probably because of the defense I do. Yeah, I think I think that

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has to be the focus because you
have the shot creation from so many other

404
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sources. I mean, you know
that the Bridges is going to score in

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transition and as a cutter in the
half court. You know that Hayward can

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create from scratch. Rosier and Ball
are both attackers. You don't really.

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I think holmes Is still set,
still works, but it isn't as complementary

408
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as Jared Allen's here, I think
there's I think that's a reasonable case.

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I would probably still prefer Holmes if
they're going to spend the big money,

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but Alan is younger, way,
he's better defensively around the room. He's

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probably a little bit more switchable there
as well. Even though I think Holmes

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is not necessarily underrated defensively but can
do more than people credit him. I

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still think i'd probably look at the
wings first before the big because I'm always

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of the mind that you can approximate
seventy percent of what most of the best

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bigs available can do on a cheaper
budget. My one question on them about

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sort of looking at their incumbents for
agents, who do you think is more

417
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likely to be back, DeVante Graham
or Relique Monk. I already mentioned that

418
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they have to renounce Monk to maximize
their cat space. They also could just

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resign him, lower his cap hold
or whatever. And he was the one

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that had the better offensive season this
year. Yeah, I think Monk is

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more likely to come back early to
come back, yeah, just because he

422
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is going to score more efficiently than
DeVante Graham. Where Graham does a lot

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of good things. He can make
deep threes, he can set up his

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teammates, but he's not a reliable
shooter, and Monks seems like a more

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likely candidate to lead a more efficient
second unit. And I say that despite

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loving Graham's game, I guess I
just so expect them to want and to

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actually use their cap space. I
think they wind up keeping Graham and then

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they also need just looking at having
Terry Rozier and LaMelo Ball, I think

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they prefer someone who was a better
chance at being the third guard who can

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lead units without both are only one
of them. Rosie on the court,

431
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I still think after the season he
had, I still think that's DeVante Graham.

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That's the arguments either way, I'm
so curious see what they do.

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By the way, as a final
thought, like they do they is there

434
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a chance that they don't spend big
on anyone? Yes, I think that

435
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there absolutely is. This team could
go in a bajillion different directions and it's

436
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fun. Regardless, I would still
to the Hornets for escaping that mid level,

437
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,200
low level mediocrity that they've been entrenched
in. For so long. I

438
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will say, though the Michael Jordan
governed team with cap space is still among

439
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the most terrifying things for me to
think, what if they bring back Kwame

440
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Brown? All right? I feel
like now it's time to move on to

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Chicago. Chicago is another funky one
because I think I often forget that this

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team kind of moved into we want
to be competitive right now mode with the

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Nicola, with the Nicola Vukovic trade
like they have him and Zach Lavine,

444
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with Patrick Williams ready to explode,
They've got to figure out what to do

445
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:21,079
with Daniel Tyson, Laurie Marken in. But there's already like a decent amount

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of incumbent talent here, and I
think that this is a sneaky landing spot

447
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:32,200
for Kyle Lowry. Holy shit,
please, it's bound well, it's I

448
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,680
don't think they've been discussed whatsoever as
a landing spot, but there's a compelling

449
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,559
if that's any consolation. Matt Moore
of Action Network reported that they would be

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in the mix even better. But
it is a remarkably compelling landing spot because

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if you assume that Williams, who
was one of the youngest players in the

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NBA this past season makes a substantial
leap forward. You have a scoring type

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threat in zach Lavine. You have
a big who can create his own offense

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at the drop of the hat.
In Vuchevich. You have a defensive oriented

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Kawhi Leonard approximation poor Man's Kawhi Leonard
approximation in Williams. You have depth in

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a lot of different positions. And
then you add Lowry into the mix,

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and that could be a piece that
immediately elevates Chicago into the mix. He

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makes a ton of sense with zach
Lavine, a guy who can shoulder more

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of the defensive responsibilities against the opponent's
best backcourt member, who's willing to defer

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offensive touches as we've seen with him
playing next to Kawhi Leonard, with him

461
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playing next to an emerging Fred Van
Vleet, I love that fit in the

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backcourt, and given Chicago's penchant for
making these all in moves as we saw

463
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with Vukovich, they could be a
serious contender to make that kind of splashy

464
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,839
addition, I don't know what their
pathway is to getting Lowry though, so

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the two things I'll mentioned there they
can get to if they renounce everyone,

466
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,799
they'll have about twelve point four million
in cap space, but that's with keeping

467
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Daddy is Young and Thomas Saturanski.
Those guys have eleven million dollars and combined

468
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,279
guaranteed salary, so you could technically
wave them stretch that, and then I

469
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,440
guess you would have close to enough
room, if not enough for room to

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00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:30,200
get move Saturanski into someone else's cap
space because he's a very realistic rotation member.

471
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That's I would say you could do
the same with Daddy as Young too,

472
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because I was gonna ask you,
it feels like the most realistic bet

473
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would be to get Kyle Lowry by
sign and trade at that point, just

474
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given their limitations, and I just
I don't know what they give up because

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they traded this year's first round pick, and they traded twenty twenty three's first

476
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
round pick. So I like,
I like the idea of Lowry Chicago.

477
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,759
You that case you made I really
had Lowry and Levine just makes too much

478
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,559
sense almost it would. It would
be great, but yeah, the pathway

479
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is tricky. The the other thing
with them, which was tough figuring out

480
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,640
targets. I don't know what they
do with zach Lavine, So he is

481
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,240
not going to sign an outright extension
with Chicago. One hundred and twenty percent

482
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,599
raise off of his current number for
the following year twenty twenty three still brings

483
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,880
him like eleven million or whatever short
of his projective max. What they can

484
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,079
do is renegotiate and extend him,
which for our listeners who don't know that,

485
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what that effectively boils down to is
they give him an immediate raise up

486
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to his current max salary, which
I think would land at like thirty three

487
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:28,319
point seven, thirty three point eight, whatever it is you have to use,

488
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,400
and then you can extend him off
that number, but you have to

489
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,079
use cap space to do it.
They don't even have enough cap space without

490
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,799
waving or finding takers for Saturanski and
Daddy is young to bring him up to

491
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that max number. Now, he
could be willing to take a little bit

492
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,039
less because once he gets a raise, he'll be at the max next year.

493
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,400
And if he wasn't going to make
the max this upcoming season anyway,

494
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:52,400
yeah, he might be open to
that. But then you spent your resources

495
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,200
on retaining talent who wasn't even technically
leaving because he's on the books for a

496
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,799
year, and you've sort of hindered
your exceptions too, because now of a

497
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,240
sudden you're working with the room exception, which is like half of the non

498
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480
taxpayers with level exception. My question
to you, before I do have a

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00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:12,599
couple of targets for them, is
if you're the bulls, are you renegotiating

500
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,240
renegotiating an extending exact lavine or are
you letting this ride out until free agency

501
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,839
and banking on the fact more so, we'll try and make moves this summer,

502
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,079
show them we're ready to win and
he'll want to stay. You also

503
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,480
risk losing him for nothing in that
scenario. I'm letting it ride right now,

504
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:34,640
you know, for all the limitations
that you mentioned, and I don't

505
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,519
know what the pathway to improvement is
without the wind now moves first, because

506
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,880
ultimately, if you look up and
down this roster, who besides Patrick Williams

507
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:52,839
is going to become a star?
Yeah, you would have to like Kobe

508
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:59,039
White, and sure like you could
convince me of that. You could convince

509
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,559
me that they could resign marking in
and turn him into a star. But

510
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,559
these are less likely scenarios. So
I think that the best play is to

511
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,840
convince him by winning. Now,
I'm like with you, but the idea

512
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,800
of letting him reach free agency unless
he's told you he's coming back no matter

513
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,639
what, would be terrifying. I
do agree with you that it seems like

514
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,079
there and look, if they don't
make any additions like that would clue me

515
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,119
into like zach Lavine didn't know,
didn't commit to anything, and so we're

516
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,400
gonna hear zach Lavine trade rumors.
But aside from Lowry, I do I

517
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,480
know people like Lonzo ball here.
His fits fine. I would prefer Spencer

518
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,679
Dinwoody here just as another creator if
you could get him. I also think

519
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,599
that they need to focus on the
wing rotation. They only need complimentary wings

520
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,199
at this point because you do have
zach Lavine to create. Yeah, you'd

521
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,199
prefer a playmaking one, but you
have voods you can run the offense through,

522
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,599
so maybe you can kind of zero
in on. I don't want to

523
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,599
recycle the same names here over and
over again. But like a Josh Richardson

524
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,039
Reggie Bullock, if you can get
him, you know they could. I

525
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,039
don't. I don't know that they'll
be in like the running for the super

526
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,400
veterans. I was I was curious
see how you would feel about this one.

527
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,199
If they decide to work with cap
space. Let's say they just create

528
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,440
more. Do you like the idea
of like a Duncan Robinson in Chicago or

529
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,400
is that lean too far into just
offense? I think it leans too far

530
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,280
into the offensive specialties. You already
have two guys who can score twenty five

531
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,400
points at night. Yeah, I
thought about I found about Gary Trent Junior

532
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,119
momentarily, but I think they probably
want someone a little bit bigger. I

533
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,840
just don't view Danny Green as super
realistic for them. They would be an

534
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,400
interesting Josh Hart teen again, if
they had cap space, they were really

535
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,079
tough for me, and I might
you know, I think they probably my

536
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,480
guests would be. If they have
their druthers, they'll funnel most of their

537
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,679
money towards the point guard situation,
in which case I would almost expect them

538
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,639
to wind up with one of Lonzo, Baldin, Witty or Shrewder. I

539
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,320
don't know if all of those guys
amount to the right move, but that

540
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,199
would almost be my expectation. And
then maybe they're looking to fill out the

541
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,559
wings on a budget ish type thing. It's Oh, you know, Terence

542
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,199
Davis is a restricted free agent?
What could he do for us? We've

543
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,840
talked about Garrison Matthew's value on this
podcast. Would they give Sterling Brown some

544
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,079
some rotation minutes here? Alec Burk's
not really a wing but someone I guess

545
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,519
that they could look at, so
a Tory Craig. I'm wondering. I

546
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,920
feel like that's the route. This
could also be just based off their defensive

547
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,000
needs on the wings, and I
know they have Patrick Williams. This might

548
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,039
become should they as expected to clients, team option like the Justice Winslow experiment,

549
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,719
team like that might be the interesting
totally see that, And I think

550
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,159
the Tory Craig route is probably the
most realistic of all these scenarios, where

551
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,039
they're going to make a move for
that defense first wing and try to prioritize

552
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:45,519
resigning some of their pieces like Tyser
marken in. But still, I'm sure

553
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,280
that you like me now, just
can't get that lowry idea out of your

554
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,159
head. No, I can't.
I wasn't asked what do you think about

555
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,000
t J McConnell for this team?
It would also be a fun one.

556
00:36:54,599 --> 00:37:00,519
Yeah, I think anything that's going
to help that wing defense. They were

557
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,840
the toughest ones to like pinpoint specific
players for for some reason. I think

558
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000
because there's so much variant in their
outcomes, and they could theoretically I don't

559
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,679
have a name here, but just
based off the fact that you do have

560
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,199
Patrick Williams, you do have Kobe
White, you do still have salary filler.

561
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,400
If they want to try and make
like a big, like really double

562
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,199
triple down on this roster, I
guess they could go that round. I'm

563
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,280
too much. I'm a fan of
Patrick Williams just by far and away seemed

564
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,239
like a much better defender than most
rookies, but had more positional rains than

565
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,599
I ever would have expected him to. So I wouldn't do that. But

566
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,880
anything's on the table after that Roots
trade. To me, that was somebody

567
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:36,840
shocked if Patrick Williams has moved.
I don't think they should, but I'm

568
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,760
saying, if they're really that committed
to Lavigne as the Roots trade sort of

569
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,119
intimated, nothing would surprise me at
this point. Yeah, I can see

570
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,400
that. But let's move on to
the Cavaliers here, which feels like another

571
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,920
one of those many Eastern Conference teams
were like, who the hell knows,

572
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,280
because apparently Colin Sexon is available,
and if he's gone, what does this

573
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,800
team have. Jared Allen is a
restricted free agent. Darius Garland showed a

574
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,760
lot of improvement this past season,
but what is he going to be?

575
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Like? We still don't really know, and he's going to be eligible for

576
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,679
a raise before too long. Kevin
Love is still on the roster, Isaac

577
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Acorro remains disappointing, Jetty Osman remains
disappointing, so it's hard to like really

578
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,039
figure it out. I kind of
leaned into the idea of finding as much

579
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,119
relatively cheap upside as possible, so
I kept landing on Josh Hart, both

580
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,679
because he feels like a good fit
for the roster and because it is well

581
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,639
established that he's very good friends with
Larry Dance Jr. So maybe they'll want

582
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,599
to play together. And that's about
as much reasoning as I have here.

583
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,800
I'd be curious see what the sign
and trade would look like for that,

584
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:44,039
just because they're not going to have
a cap space to go after him unless

585
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,519
they renounced Jared Allen, which even
if they's possible, I get if they

586
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,199
draft Evan Mobley, d I don't
it would be to me, it would

587
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,000
I guess. I won't say a
disaster, but it would be less than

588
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,000
ideal if they let Jared Allen walk
for nothing. So my guests would be

589
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,280
if you draft Evan Mobile, you're
fine having both, which I'm actually okay

590
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,119
with because as the Calves right now, they have a lot of players that

591
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:07,760
intrigue me, but none of them
are your ten pole star. You can't

592
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,320
say that about Sexton. There's I
think, just looking at what Garland does

593
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,280
as a playmaker and then even as
a pull up shooter, he might be

594
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,400
your better bet to do that,
but he's not guaranteed to be that.

595
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,719
Just how is the talent and figure
it out later. And if you need

596
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440
to move Mobile, you're Allen down
the line you can. But I guess

597
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,000
if you draft Evan Moble in Fury, that would open up Jared Allen signed

598
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,159
and trade scenarios or it doesn't help
you with Josh Hart. But that's just

599
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,000
something to think about. I expect
Jared Allen to be back, unless I

600
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,559
don't know the team that's going to
come in and just offer Jared Allen so

601
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:43,800
much money that the Calves are like
buy Charlotte should, but if they come

602
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,400
into like eighteen million a year,
I don't know that that's enough to get

603
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:52,519
Cleveland to flinch if I would come
if I'm Charlotte, Wow they So.

604
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,440
I have them projected right now as
a non tax player's mid level team,

605
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,639
and they're interesting because I think that
you probably just need to still play the

606
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,920
youth card here. I don't know. There are a lot of wins that

607
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,159
could fit, and that seems like
what they need. But can you just

608
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,760
sort of rehabilitate some values, some
get some like second draft type guys like

609
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,440
this could be a good Frankie Lakina
destination. I know people who listen to

610
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,320
the podcasts are gonna trow me no. I think that's legitimate, though,

611
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,519
because that is the kind of player
that Cleveland should be looking at right now.

612
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,559
You want to find those relatively young
guys where you can either rehabilitate their

613
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,920
value to the point that you get
something back for them in a trade,

614
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,119
or they're a legitimate rotation member when
you're ready to compete. I think that's

615
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,320
exactly the kind of player they should
target. I don't know if the mid

616
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
level exception is really enough to get
them involved with this type of player,

617
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:42,800
but talent. Horton Tucker, the
youngest free agent of the bunch, is

618
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,480
someone that they could really look at. I would actually love Gary Trent Junior

619
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,719
for this team. They just don't
have the money, but like those types

620
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,800
of go after just the younger guys
here and they, I mean they're like,

621
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,119
aren't a ton of like super intriguing
ones, especially when you're looking at

622
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:05,039
with the Cavaliers have to spend Terrence
Davis very questionable human being And that's probably

623
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,400
putting it kindly, but that's someone
that they could really look at and I

624
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,559
think would help their team. We've
mentioned Garrison Matthews. Alright, Justice Winslow,

625
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,599
this might be a good Justice Winslow
destination too. He's still I forget

626
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,920
that Winslow's only twenty five. I
feel like he's eighty for some reason.

627
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:21,039
That's still that's the route I'm looking
at. If I'm this team, I

628
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,400
could also just see them like,
yeah, I guess maybe I won't say

629
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,519
that, but if they want to
kind of keep themselves more flexible, do

630
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,800
they not do they not make any
do they sort of sit free agency out

631
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,320
aside from resigning Jared Allen is my
point. It be another good spot for

632
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,800
Marvin Bagley if they want to get
in on whatever sweepstakes exist for Jared Culver.

633
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,679
Again, like we're kind of focusing
on any of those younger guys who

634
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,000
have established potential it has not been
realized here. That is interesting. Would

635
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,440
you do if you're the Calves?
What would you need in addition to Jared

636
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:59,079
Culver to give the Timberwolves Larry Nance
Jr. M Like does Josh Akogie and

637
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,159
Jared Colver do it? I think
so, just because of the time,

638
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:08,199
just for the timeline alone. Yeah, I might argue probably not just because

639
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,000
of Kobe's entering the last year of
his deal. He's just such an offensive

640
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,840
minus. But like nas Read,
I don't they don't. I don't know

641
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,639
that they need another big on this
team, even though Nat Larry Edge Junior

642
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:22,719
will be sent down. But if
you draft Mobile, you definitely don't need

643
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,719
a nas Read. Maybe is it
a protected first that like is lottery protected

644
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,599
for two seasons before turning into two
seconds or something like? Because if you're

645
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,440
a Minnesota I don't know that you
could justify trading a flat out first.

646
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:40,360
But let's say let's say it deals
a lottery protected first and oh my god,

647
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,119
what was the Jared Colver And maybe
you don't even need that, You're

648
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,639
right, Jared Colver, Like if
the high upside swing still there two years

649
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,320
left on his rookie scale deal,
like maybe that maybe that does it.

650
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,199
So Jared, I could see Minnesota
giving up more just because Nance is such

651
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,440
an ideal fit for that roster too. So like, would you very you

652
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,039
could be onto something with like that
twenty protected that's going to turn into two

653
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,719
firsts? Would you do Jaden McDaniels
and Jared Kolver for Larry Dance. I

654
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,960
would try to part with a Kobie
first. I don't know that McDaniels might.

655
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,039
I might be too high on McDaniels. I think it's what I'm finding

656
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,239
through this podcast fair enough. Anything
else on Cleveland is there? You know

657
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,159
there's I think Larry As Junior can
help a lot of good teams. I

658
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,360
think he is probably I know people
are gonna say Kevin Love, but I

659
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,719
think Larry Nas Junior is the player
on this team that's most likely be traded

660
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,639
unless it's Colin Sexton. But you
so rarely see these dudes on rookie scale

661
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,360
deals get dealt because he's making six
point three million next year. You can't

662
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,079
net back a ton. Yeah,
you can use as a means to grease

663
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,400
off, like to grease the wheels
of Kevin Love dump, but you don't

664
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,960
want to use Colin Sexton to do
that. And so I still don't even

665
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,320
know why they're even thinking about trading
him. I guess because they don't know

666
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,880
if they want to pay him between
twenty and twenty five million dollars a year.

667
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,320
But to me, that's like,
figure, don't you can trade him

668
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,199
so easily at the deadline? Not
go and see what you have first?

669
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,400
Yeah, don't extend him then and
then trade him with the deadline if you

670
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,280
want to. So I'm not using
him to degrees the wheels with Kevin Love

671
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,480
salary dump. I'm definitely not.
Definitely would you agree that Nance is the

672
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,239
player most likely to be traded.
I would. I don't think Love has

673
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,280
any value left, so they're probably
not going to want to give give up

674
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,800
assets to move him, which is
probably necessary. That brings us to I'm

675
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,840
not really interested in what they're going
to do in free agency, to be

676
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,079
honest. You put the pistons they
have, let's speed through this one because

677
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:37,519
I literally wrote down literally anyone.
I mean, if you look at the

678
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,400
roster, like you have Killian Hayes, who was disappointing for you know,

679
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,960
justifiable reasons because he dealt with injuries
so soon into a very raw rookie season.

680
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,440
You have Saddiq Bay, who is
as plug and play as it's going

681
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,559
to get for a rising sophomore.
You have Jeremy Grant who's already twenty seven

682
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:59,920
and might not fit the timeline.
Say, Ko Dumboya, you still don't

683
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,840
know what you have Isaiah Stewart,
like is he ever going to be a

684
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,800
thirty minute per game player? And
then Kad kind of cam inevitably with the

685
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,480
number one pick in the draft,
you can justify signing anyone. Yeah,

686
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,519
and there's just not they could have
cap space if they want to not.

687
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,159
I mean, they could obviously create
more, but I have them at like

688
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,239
over eleven million, which is so
close to the non text players been level

689
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,519
you sort of wonder like, do
they just you know, operate as an

690
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,280
over the cap team and maybe carry
Dennis Smith Junior's cap hold. I wouldn't

691
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,760
rule out bringing him back, by
the way, just sort of to take

692
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,760
another stab at that they could use
more. Every team could use more of

693
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,079
this. But I think you have
Sadek Bay that's like your two way wing,

694
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,840
so you could you, oh and
Jeremy Grant, but like you could

695
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
use sort of another one, or
maybe you just focus on rehabilitating these.

696
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,639
I'm more interested in them on the
trade market, is what I'm getting at.

697
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,639
I think Mason Plumby gets moved because
this team is like not bad enough,

698
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,000
and we saw that this season.
They were in a lot of close

699
00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,360
games before shutting down Jeremy Grant or
Jeremy Grant's injury, or you want to

700
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,119
frame that you have Isaiah Stewart,
trading Mason plumb unlocks him. I think

701
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,599
you get a first round pick for
Mason plumbly, like if the Sun's number

702
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,760
twenty nine. No, I'm skeptical
of that. I'm all at this point

703
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,679
of his career. I don't know. He was so good offensively for them

704
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:21,000
last year career. What's that triple
double machine Mason Flumley. But he did

705
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:22,760
shoot a career high at the rim
and was fantastic passing for them, So

706
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,199
I think they probably move him.
But like, can you look at these

707
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,239
just like I don't want distressed assets
like younger guys who maybe don't have a

708
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,280
ton of value that teams are willing
to move. Could Aaron Holliday be interesting

709
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,079
for them depending on the esking price
for the Pacers? What if the Knicks

710
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,519
are just looking to get rid of
Kevin Knox, what is the what is

711
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:45,239
the opportunity cost there? Dante di
Vincenzo would be interesting. I think the

712
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,760
Bucks are probably looking for like actual
value from him. So that's like the

713
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
along the lines of really what I'm
thinking for for that team? Like could

714
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,760
they pillage just like one of Orlando's
many youngster question marks? Like would Detroit

715
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,679
be you know, well, they
already have Isaiah Stewart, But if you're

716
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,760
moving Mason Plumley and like Orlando wants
to move on from mo Bamba, likes

717
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,000
a mo Bamba and interesting fire for
them? I probably, I guess I'd

718
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,880
argue probably not. But like what
if what if Phoenix Is want to give

719
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,880
you Jalen Smith for Mason Plumley just
the number ten pick in last year's draft?

720
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,159
Could you be the team that says, hey, we're gonna sign Zach

721
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:24,199
Collins. We don't anticipate him playing
next year. But a floor spacing big

722
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,400
who was shown that he could switch
on defense, and it's very much theoretical

723
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,280
that he's floorspacing. I know that. I feel like those are the types

724
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,639
of moves we can't expect them to
make, and maybe, like you know,

725
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,599
do they look at uh. I
don't even think they're gonna look at

726
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,920
a town Horton Tucker just because they
might be set where he plays and they

727
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,599
still need shooting on this team.
Bringing someone back like a Wayne Ellington feels

728
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,199
like it could be fairly important for
them. You know what's fun is that

729
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,559
I basically mentioned all these guys already
because I said, literally anyone, I'm

730
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,519
sorry for stepping on the toes of
of everything you just said. For Detroit,

731
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,320
if they wanted to create cap space, they could. I just don't

732
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,800
see the young enough three free agents
that's worth throwing money at, sort of

733
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,599
like the Jeremy Grant experiment this year. I think the closest you get is

734
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,679
probably Gary Trent Jr. If you
wanted to do that, and I wouldn't.

735
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,960
I just don't think. I think
they're too good as is right now,

736
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,760
and I think they need another year
of being bad Let's move on to

737
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,199
the Pacers though, just because I
think a lot of the talk about Detroit

738
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,440
is gonna focus on cunning him for
a while anyway. Yeah, And with

739
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:29,480
the Pacers, my guess is that
the biggest move they make is trying to

740
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:34,719
figure out how to keep McConnell and
McDermott while dunking while ducking the tax,

741
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,960
which is virtually impossible at the moment. My guests best guests would be,

742
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,480
can you trade Jeremy Lamb into someone's
cap space? And there are just any

743
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,679
team with cap space could essentially use
Jeremy Lamb. The Nicks could definitely use

744
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,320
a Jeremy Lamb, and then that
should allow you to keep McDermott and McConnell

745
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,239
while staying under the tax or do
you sort of pick and choose between the

746
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,559
two. I'd probably argue I don't
know who's I think McConnell's probably more important

747
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,119
to them based off the lack of
development from Aaron Holiday, and I think

748
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,599
a lot of people have them pegged
as a kisspert team in the draft.

749
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,159
So can you get the second coming
of Doug McDermott to replace Doug McDermot.

750
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:15,199
Perhaps I feel like their moves are
going to be very much about maintaining the

751
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,679
state of this roster. See what
it looks like in full strength on the

752
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,039
flip side, though I did see
on the low post it was mentioned that

753
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,920
there's just been stuff in the ether
about Lonzo Ball for Malcolm Brogden. I

754
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,239
can't see that act. I don't
unders Brogden makes too much sense for this

755
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,480
roster. I think the only way
we're seeing substantial changes is if they finally

756
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,039
pull the trigger on a Miles Turner
deal and just decide that we're done with

757
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,199
that Demontos Sabonis Miles Turner experiment.
But even that feels unlikely. I think

758
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,880
that we're largely looking, as you
said, at keeping this roster together as

759
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,840
best as possible, hoping for more
health because this was essentially a lost season

760
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,079
with t J. Warren and with
Turner for large portions of it. They

761
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:00,159
didn't have a LeVert for most of
the year. You do have him now,

762
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:05,000
so put all the pieces together,
and I think that you're only looking

763
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,639
at moves around the periphery. Ideally, they're bringing back McConnell and Doug McDermott,

764
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,360
and then as you said, shipping
Jeremy lamb into cap space and trying

765
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,159
to make some sort of veteran cheap
as possible. Addition, someone like Patty

766
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,599
Mills could make a ton of sense
here as a flamethrower off the bench if

767
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:27,280
he's willing to sign a discounted contract
to play on an Eastern Conference contender.

768
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,880
But I don't think you're looking at
it. Let's slow the role on Eastern

769
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,559
Conference contender there, buddy. Well, I'm not saying they're going to be.

770
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,159
I'm saying if Mills is convinced they're
going to be, that I could

771
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,719
see him wanting to sign a discount
of deal here because it makes a lot

772
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,159
of sense where he's going to come
in and be the unquestioned leader of the

773
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,159
second unit. Yeah. I don't
think this is an Eastern Conference contender yet,

774
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,039
but the pieces are in place to
the point that it could be.

775
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,159
Yeah. I think maybe what you
could see them doing is and you kind

776
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,639
of already mentioned I don't know that
Patty Mills are actually cheaper than him,

777
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,480
but if you have to get rid
of McConnell and or mcd like, what

778
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,760
are the cheaper alternatives out there?
I probably thought a step lower, where

779
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,159
if George Hill gets waves his non
guaranteed deal. Like however that works out,

780
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,519
whether Philly trades him or doesn't guarantee
his contract, but he'd be willing

781
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,639
to go back to Indie. You
know, do they give a shot to

782
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,800
someone like a in Alec Burke's there
when you're looking at like the cheaper Wings.

783
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,960
That's where it would get really tough
for them, just because we know

784
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,639
that Indiana isn't this dream destination.
Do they take a look at are they

785
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,440
in the Tory Craig or the James
Ennis realm abdel Nator even just if you're

786
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,440
not paying Doug McDermott and he's going
elsewhere, maybe even Otto Porter, who

787
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
I think they've been linked to in
the past, and he kind of needs

788
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,719
to find a spot where he knows
he could rehabilitate his value. The Turner

789
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,400
trade is interesting. I do think
he's probably still the most likely player to

790
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,360
be traded. I think that took
a hit though, with the Pelicans getting

791
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,079
you on his valancootis unless they plan
to reroute him too. I just when

792
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:52,920
you think, yeah, I could
think of plenty of destinations for Miles Turner,

793
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,320
but I'm like down to Charlotte and
Sacramento as the ones that say Charlotte

794
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,920
is the one that's really fun to
me, the well, the one that

795
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,360
I thought was fun is like sort
of a framework of And there are two

796
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,760
I think you could go either way
with this is flipping Miles Turner for either

797
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,559
Buddy Healed or Harrison Barnes from Sacramento, both of whom I think would be

798
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:17,199
fantastic fits. I think I'd prefer
Barnes. He's the better player, even

799
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,159
though Healed, like he gives you
more of that just you know, diverse

800
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,719
shooting. I just i'd probably want
if I'm giving up Myles Turner in there,

801
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,639
I'd want a little something more from
Sacramento. And I don't know if

802
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,559
you know, if you could get
number nine and Buddy Healed for Miles Turner,

803
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:36,440
I don't know if that's in overpay, and I don't know if it's

804
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,440
a wash too. You know,
this is like a it feels like I

805
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,800
don't know if it's a lateral trade, but like number thirteen and Miles Turner

806
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,480
for number nine and Buddy Healed,
like that feels weird, or number nine

807
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,480
and Harrison Barnes, because there's some
type of that genre of framework there.

808
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:57,159
I'm more intrigued by by Sacramento though, even though Charlotte I just want to

809
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,880
stay in place. Oh do you
to like him here? I do?

810
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,679
Yeah, yeah, I want him
out. I think he could be maximized

811
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,880
somewhere else. And we've seen maybe
we haven't seen enough of them at full

812
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,079
strength, but the offensive stealing on
a Turner, Pacers, a Turner Sabonus

813
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,360
front court, to me, it's
just not you know, Caitlyn Cooper is

814
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,079
probably cringing if she if she hears
this, or maybe her ears are probably

815
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,480
burning because she hates talking about like
and this dynamic has been just discussed at

816
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,320
nauseum too much. At this point, I'm sort of just over it.

817
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,320
I'm out of the like shake it
up at this point. And Sabonus is

818
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,599
too important to your offensive flow structure
to at least we're beyond like debating which

819
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:37,960
one of them they should keep.
The discourse has moved past that. I

820
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,440
think I haven't fully moved past that. I get for the Pacers, while

821
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,719
you wouldn't move to Bonus. I
think it's this weird thing where I'd be

822
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,880
curious to see how much SA Bonus
is the better player. I just need

823
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,960
like the taboo buzzer sound right now, just like, no, we're not

824
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,280
doing this. Here's where I'm coming
from, is that Sabonus needs We're gonna

825
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,000
end up with like a four hour
podcast. Now. No, here's the

826
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,320
I just so Bonus needs ball in
his hands to be most impactful, and

827
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:07,480
Turner does not. The fact that
he's more scalable gives you more defensive juice.

828
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:13,719
I think makes him more widely intriguing
for teams on the trade market than

829
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,119
Sabonus, even though Sabonus is the
better player. And maybe that is counterintuitive,

830
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,280
but that's just how I feel.
That's too much nuance. After the

831
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Indiana Pacers, though, we move
on to the Miami Heat. You are

832
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,599
nailing the alphabet on this podcast.
I just want to put that out there.

833
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,280
I'm impressed. So my first I
think the first thing we have attacked

834
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,320
with the Miami Heat. Do you
think that they are going to operate with

835
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,199
cap space? I do so.
I think they need to. They're gonna

836
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,440
decline the team options on Iggy Lauren, renounce Victor Oladipo, They'll keep Robinson

837
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:52,639
and none. Ye who are they
signing then? Because you have to sign

838
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,119
somebody. If you're doing, they've
gotta go after Kyle Lowry because ultimately this

839
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,639
team's biggest shortcoming, and we could
see it coming from a million miles away,

840
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,360
was the lack of reliable point guard
play. You know, Kendrick Nunn

841
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,199
is not that guy. Drajic very
clearly was on the decline. We saw

842
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,840
it with the injuries even during that
NBA Finals run, where he wasn't as

843
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,519
effective towards the end of the postseason
and just was not able to regain that

844
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:20,639
level of play, especially with how
much responsibility was going to be heaped upon

845
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:28,159
him if he was truly healthy.
Beyond that, like Tyler Hero was partially

846
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,480
a bubble product. At least,
you're not going to turn him into a

847
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,039
true star. And even if you
do, he's not going to be a

848
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,800
facilitating point guard. You have to
make a play for Lowry. If it

849
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,920
doesn't work, I think you're looking
at going after Lonzo Ball or something,

850
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,760
because that's the hole on this roster. It's the very obvious hole. I

851
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,760
was trying to think of some way, like could they split the difference,

852
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,679
But I just don't know who is
Like when you're looking at some of the

853
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,000
like get two mid tier players or
yeah, okay, decline, drag a

854
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,599
team open, but bring him back
at a more reasonable team number and then

855
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,320
sure if you want to just doom
yourself to like a second round exit.

856
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,840
No, but I was saying,
so you bring back draw and then you

857
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,239
go after like someone in the middle, like a like a din Witty or

858
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,719
something. Yeah, I don't know, and so like a didn Winnie in

859
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,320
a drugage, Like what does that? Totally sounds like a pat Riley move

860
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,559
right, Like when is he ever
wanted to go after stars? I just

861
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,119
don't know a side like it's Kyle
Lowry. It's Kyle Lowry or Bust,

862
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,360
right, yeah, maybe Mike Conley, but it's like christ him away from

863
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:37,840
Utah. What's that good luck prying
Conley away from Utah away from Phoenix.

864
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,800
I can't envision Utah paying a fifty
million dollars tax bill, so I'm assuming

865
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,440
they'll dump salary. Yeah, I
think Conley and Paul are going back to

866
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,519
their respective teams. So I put
you in to Lowry or bust situation.

867
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,239
But what if you can't get Lowry? Is my point? Then is it

868
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,440
better? Would you rather see them? Be? Like? All right,

869
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,800
you know what, let's just pick
up these team options on draw and age.

870
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,599
They'd be good trade chips as the
year goes on. That's the bust

871
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:02,440
scenario. I'm just curious to see
if maybe they'll try to split the difference.

872
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:06,239
I just think it's harder because I
think bringing back drags makes sense.

873
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,480
But what is splitting the difference?
Like? Who is the who's that second

874
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,360
you know householders name cre agent that
you're bringing in? Does does Josh Hart

875
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,000
and Groan Dragic? Like does that
move the needle or help you at all?

876
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,760
Probably not? Part doesn't give you
a ton of shot creation, even

877
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,239
though he'll probably help your your defense. So they're in, They're just in

878
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:30,519
a bizarre spot. If they get
Kyle out. Miami is a fascinating team

879
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:37,159
to follow this offseason with a remarkably
simple game plan that makes sense. I

880
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,440
guess you know what's splitting the difference? Could look like drag and can you

881
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:43,920
get Norman Powell? That might be
what's putting on. That could be a

882
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,199
fun one, yeah, I mean, because then you get the off the

883
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:50,000
ball juice, the creation out of
the pick and roll that we've seen Powell

884
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,079
exhibit in smaller doses. How many
times have we said, Juice on this

885
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:59,000
podcast, not enough. Let's move
on to and Miami's like you said,

886
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,679
interesting, They're just aren't a lot
of scenarios. Let's just move on already.

887
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,079
The Milwaukee Bucks, now in this
alphabet, that is your team to

888
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,920
start with what they're I'll set the
table for you with this because I think

889
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,280
they're an easy team to talk about. Their bargain bin hunting. And you

890
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,039
have to wonder if PJ. Tucker
and or Bobby Porters are coming back.

891
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:21,960
They are basically as it stands without
factoring in contracts four PJ. Tucker for

892
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,440
Bobby Portis, they are just in
the tax next season, They're just they're

893
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,920
in the tax. They're like,
you know, four almost five million in

894
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,000
the tax. They did pay the
tax this year because of Drew Holiday's bonus.

895
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:34,320
It was only like a million,
but you still started the repeat o'clock

896
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,199
on those free agents. They can
pay PJA. Tucker whatever up to his

897
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,559
max, which he's obviously not going
to get because they have his bird rights.

898
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,960
Bobby Portis is a non bird free
agent, so they're gonna need the

899
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,440
MINIMID level to sign him, which
is about five point seven million, dollars.

900
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,599
There are people that think he's going
to get more than that. What

901
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,480
is going to go on with the
Bucks this summer? Of the two that

902
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,599
I just named, do you expect
both to be back? One to be

903
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:58,039
back, none of them to be
back? And what do I expect Porters

904
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,039
to be back? Because of how
much the city of milwa he absolutely fell

905
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,800
in love with him, and how
important he was during the postseason run.

906
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,760
I expect Tucker to be back because
of the bond that he created so quickly

907
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:14,079
with Jannis and it worked like that's
the big thing here. And there's even

908
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:17,280
room for growth here because Dante di
Vincenzo wasn't healthy for the primary portion of

909
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,079
the playoff run and Jordan Warra all
of a sudden is thriving for Nigeria and

910
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:25,639
the Olympics. What if he offers
woodenholz are school of wings. What if

911
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,960
he offers you some scoring juice?
I think that this Milwaukee team is looking

912
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:36,599
to run it back as much as
possible and then make one or two cheap

913
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,440
veterans signings with whoever wants to come
play for a team that we can be

914
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:45,400
one hundred percent assured of title contention
again. Is it Alec Burke's, is

915
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,480
it Patty Mills? Regardless, I
think that they want that person to be

916
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,920
a scorer that they can use off
the bench, because if there was a

917
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,599
shortcoming for this team, it was
inconsistent scoring with the second unit. Bryn

918
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,440
Forbes is a fun little flash in
the pan that wasn't sustainable. They need

919
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:05,679
someone who they can count on to
get points when Jannis isn't playing, because

920
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:08,159
that allows him to play fewer minutes
during the regular season and during the less

921
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:13,960
important playoff series. Yeah, my
guests would be maybe Burkes won't be too

922
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:17,760
expensive, but my guests, I
think Portus leaves and Tucker stays because I

923
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,159
feel like with Janno is more likely
to be cheaper, He's more like going

924
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,519
to be cheaper. But also,
just when you're looking at the Bucks,

925
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:30,360
the Jannis is the lone big minutes
or primary big minutes have become so important.

926
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:34,000
I know that, like PJ,
Tucker is arguably a little bit more

927
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,840
integral. If you're gonna keep brook
Lopez, the other thing that you could

928
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,159
look at is if you wanted to
make a bigger trade is pairing brook Lopez

929
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:44,159
with Donte Devincenzo and I pitched this
once. Do you do Brook Lopez and

930
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,960
Dante Devincenzo for Harrison Barnes, You
get more expected, don't I just I

931
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:51,480
still want Devincenzo there. He makes
too much sense when he's at full strength.

932
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,679
But I otherwise think that you're gonna
be then trying to just plumb the

933
01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,760
bargain bin if you use your taxpayers
mid level on someone who's not Bobby Portis.

934
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:02,239
I don't know. This is the
name I was hero, and I

935
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,159
don't know if it's going to be
enough. Cameron Payne would be nice here,

936
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,119
depending on how Phoenix wants to bring
him back or not, or if

937
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,800
Rockets becomes a free agent, is
he willing to take a discount to play

938
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,199
with a contender? Otherwise I think
you're looking at do you maybe are you

939
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:19,599
okay bringing West Matthews back on another
cheap deal if he's willing to return,

940
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,000
even though he's with the Lakers this
year. James Ennis, they probably never

941
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,639
should have gotten rid of Tory Craig
in the first place. Those still prefer

942
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,360
to focus more on scoring, even
if those guys make sense, so I

943
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,440
would I would still lean towards the
offense. First guys here. No,

944
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:37,119
I'm beyond the tax payersmid level is
my point. You're like, once you

945
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,039
use that on whatever, You're like, you know, Lou Williams in Milwaukee

946
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:43,360
might be fun by the ways he
want to sign there for that, he

947
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,039
seems to like it's Atlanta or retirement
for Atlanta, LA or retirement maybe Langston

948
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:52,239
Galloway. I'm just that might fulfill
your scoring need and he can certainly sling

949
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:58,400
it. So Austin Rivers might be
one that's someone, but there's like,

950
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,280
you know, Brent Forbes didn't even
mention, do you think he's gonna be

951
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,440
back My guests don't know. I
don't think so. They just they have

952
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,480
I think at least one of Portus
or Tucker is going to leave, though,

953
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,559
and that's going to put them.
I'm just they're gonna be shallow again.

954
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:14,840
And like you said, if Noir
is just gonna give you minutes next

955
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,920
year and everything works out, they're
going to be a fascinating team to watch,

956
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,320
because unless they really hit home runs
with their mid level, up their

957
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,320
mid levels, their their minimums,
and just their their bargain bin deals,

958
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:29,039
they just might run into some fatigue
issues or finite rotation issues. Yeah,

959
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:34,920
agreed. That brings us to the
New York Knicks. Insert point guard here.

960
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:37,320
Let's just move on. Look,
the point guard should be Kyle Lowry

961
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:42,559
is my dream acquisition for them,
and then mostly run it back they keep.

962
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,719
Reggie Block is someone I think that's
super important to them. Newlands now

963
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,440
well, even the backup big Alec
Burks there gave them a huge fourth quarter

964
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:51,920
minutes If you're not my prediction for
them, and so I think, first

965
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,800
of all, I think you should
be in on all the point guards,

966
01:02:53,880 --> 01:03:00,039
the actual point guards, Mike Conley, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, and

967
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,199
if it's going draggage on a one
year deal whatever. And then when you

968
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:07,719
can't sign any of them, you're
bringing back Derek Rose and you're looking at

969
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,000
Spencer Dinwinnie, Spencer Didnwiy. I
wouldn't mind there either, even with the

970
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:14,039
shooting concerns. That would be a
fun I think he's a fun fit for

971
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:17,039
this team because you want someone who's
going to attack first and foremost. Where

972
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:21,239
do you land on the Lonzo ball
discussion here? Though I love the fit,

973
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,000
I think it makes a lot of
sense, especially with guys like RJ

974
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:30,719
Barrett who are becoming more capable corner
three point shooters. You have Julius Randall

975
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,880
as a bailout option and another primary
initiator, so you don't necessarily need your

976
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,840
point guard to be that number one
option. I just don't think he's going

977
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:43,119
to leave New Orleans, especially after
the Valentine is Adam Strade. I don't

978
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,320
like Lonzo Ball in New York.
I'm not gonna lie. I think he

979
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,679
forces you to get out and transition
more, which they definitely needed. He

980
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,559
spaces the floor, which is great. I think you also need to be

981
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:52,559
signing something like if you were getting
Kyle Lowry and Lonzo Ball, which might

982
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,639
be the dream scenario for New Orleans. Actually, it makes so much more

983
01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:00,000
sense without that guy who can give
you offense from the point of attack.

984
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,880
I don't like Lonzo Ball in New
York, and that's an awful lot to

985
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,480
commit to a guy who can't give
you that offense at the point of attack.

986
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:12,039
Just someone who doesn't really shoot get
to the rim, or shoot at

987
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,639
the rim, doesn't hit off the
dribble jumpers at a fishing clip. Isn't

988
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:17,320
you're going to run your half court
offense? I would like to see them

989
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:23,840
ideally for them. They're spending big
money for two years, those windfalls on

990
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,920
those bigger name point cards outbidding everyone
I know. I think there are rumors

991
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,719
that they plan to basically outbid multi
year offers for Kyle Lowry in one season.

992
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,119
That's kind of tough because they can
max him out and that he's probably

993
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:36,960
gonna get more than that over two
years. But Kyle Lowry is my ideal

994
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,639
get for them. If they can't
get him or one of the other bigger

995
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:43,480
point cards, I'd like to see
the mostly run it back or focus again

996
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:45,960
on preserving their powder. Maybe you
take some guys into cap space, like

997
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:49,400
if maybe I don't know why you
helped Dallas, but actually like Josh Richardson

998
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,119
in New York, I would be
more inclined if I'm the mix, if

999
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:56,400
you want to spend on a restricted
free agent, should you miss on the

1000
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Lowry, the Conley Chris Paul.
I really do like Gary Trent Junior there

1001
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,039
more than I like Lonzo Ball.
I might even like I like, but

1002
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:08,760
I'm saying relative to lons of Ball
in New York, and the Knicks obviously

1003
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:15,480
have all this cap space right trade
target trade targets for them. They're clearly

1004
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,480
in the market for a star.
I would be reticent about what you're giving

1005
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,440
up because I don't think you have
the initial cornerstone in place. So if

1006
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,159
you're trading for Damian Lillard or Bradley
Beal or even Zach Lavine, they're still

1007
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,000
very much on their own because this
is it's sort of a proven season for

1008
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:34,760
Randall. Even the team at large, I don't they're justified if they want

1009
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,119
to make that move, but you
probably need to do it in tandem with

1010
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,719
knowing someone else is coming in twenty
twenty two, or you could land someone

1011
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,760
else Otherwise, I'm using the cap
space to suss out trades, or maybe

1012
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,440
teams still want to get rid of
contracts and they're giving you more assets.

1013
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,559
I'm more fascinated to see what they
do with number nineteen, twenty one and

1014
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,039
thirty two, really than I am
with what they might do on the trade

1015
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,400
market. I think they'll be in
don't get me wrong. If there are

1016
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,599
stars available, the one that I
might be okay with, and I'm not

1017
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,360
sure if I talk to you about
this. If the Raptors go into rebuild

1018
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,639
mode, there's obviously Fred van Fleet, but I don't know if they move

1019
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:12,039
him. I don' want to hate
Pascal Siakam in New York. It's a

1020
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,159
questionable fit alongside Randall, though,
if only because they like to operate in

1021
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,480
the same space. Well, Randall's
like taking off through double threes now,

1022
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:21,679
so it's a little bit different,
and they both still like to operate from

1023
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:25,760
the same spots of the court though
these aren't really like post up guys though.

1024
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,039
They want to operate more so from
the point of attack, which to

1025
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,599
me is fine. With the way
that Randall shot threes, maybe it's easier

1026
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:33,639
to play off Siakam. I wouldn't
be. I wouldn't be if that's the

1027
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,400
I'm gonna be honest. I don't
like that fit. I like it.

1028
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:40,159
I don't like it. I like
it. I would test it out,

1029
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,760
That's all I'm saying. Well,
you're the Knicks fan here, so I'll

1030
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,760
defer to you on this one.
Who is the last question, then,

1031
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,079
the single most important free agent of
their own that you want to see them

1032
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:56,000
bring back. I think Rose makes
a ton of sense to bring back.

1033
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,159
He was so good in the second
half of the season. Again, like

1034
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:02,079
we elevated him near the top of
our six Minute of the Year conversation just

1035
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,880
based on what he was able to
do during the second half of the season.

1036
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,119
He was a smarter player, he
was a more controlled player, and

1037
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,119
he really gave that offense a lot
of juice. I'll use the word again

1038
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,960
that it didn't have without him.
He did give them a lot of jet

1039
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,679
fuel. I'm gonna try and change
it up with some synonyms there. I

1040
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:20,880
think it's still Reggie Bullock, just
looking at the defensive workload he shouldered and

1041
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:25,280
his three point volume was really important. And I also think that you can

1042
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,000
go out and give even if you
wanted to be a one year overpay or

1043
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:30,719
one plus one to someone like Cameron
Payne. If you whif on everybody,

1044
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,880
he's replaceable. But again, like
he brought that oomph, that pizzazz,

1045
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,400
Like you know, there you go, now we're talking. You just wanted

1046
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:42,239
to throw into synonyms there. I
like it. Let's move on to the

1047
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,599
magic. We're thoroughly on. Interesting
as it pertains the free agency, they

1048
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,039
won't have cap space. They have
the non tax payers mid level exception.

1049
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:53,000
If you want to roll the dice
on sort, Garrison Matthews would be perfect

1050
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,079
there. Don't get me wrong.
If you want to roll the dice on

1051
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:59,000
a youngster and you could get him
fine, but you're not like, yeah,

1052
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:00,599
maybe an Estock Bond. They like
guys who can't shoot. We can

1053
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:05,719
defend town Horton Tucker because they like
guys who are shaky shooters and can't defend.

1054
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:10,280
I'm or interested in them on the
trade market and only as yeah,

1055
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,920
they should be in the second draft
conversations for the it does Josh Jackson become

1056
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,479
available in Detroit or Kevin Knox in
New York is the perfect Orlando player because

1057
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,159
he's another big and they can recreate
the log jam or stuff like that.

1058
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,960
I think though, I'm interested in
them as sellers and I think this is

1059
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:30,560
more of a mid season thing to
tackle. But will they move Terrence Ross?

1060
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,840
Will they think? While we were
recording, we had a notification come

1061
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,239
through about that. Did we I
didn't even see, but I forget what

1062
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,520
it was. I didn't even see
that. I like, very briefly saw

1063
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,239
something about Terrence Ross and then we
just kept talking fun stuff. I didn't

1064
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,159
see anything about Terrence Ross. So
if that's outdated, I think that someone

1065
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:53,680
you look at moving more mid season
or they're going to be players or teams

1066
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,920
We're like, oh, we missed
on Tim Hardaway Junior, Let's trade for

1067
01:08:56,079 --> 01:09:00,199
Terrence Ross. The bigger question is
bomba Window, Carter Junior, both Dench

1068
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:01,600
knowledgeable. I don't expect either of
them to get it. Do you consider

1069
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,479
moving one of them? I am
of the mind that they're both coming back

1070
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,479
from tour acls, So this is
why I think would be more of a

1071
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,359
trade deadline thing. I would definitely
look at moving both Jonathan Isaac and Mark

1072
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,319
el Folds kerr Ian Begley. Several
teams have been in touch with the Orlando

1073
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:23,479
Magic on trades involving Terrence Ross.
SNY has learned the Memphis one of them.

1074
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:29,359
Yeah, most likely the Knicks are
apparently another one. They need you,

1075
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,199
I mean they need just my look, and that's fine to bring this

1076
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,800
bet. Maybe we'll look the Knicks
and the Magic together on this, or

1077
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,760
we might publish it is one big
pot on YouTube. But that's what the

1078
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,640
Knicks should do, is like just
get the guys on, Like Terrence Ross

1079
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,680
is two years left, if it's
a Josh Richardson entering the final year,

1080
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,319
should optimist player of contract or if
the guys with two years left to bring

1081
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,760
you Ques look, if the Jazz
want to get bowing on Bogdanovitch out of

1082
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,720
Utah just to clear their tax bill, Nick should be all over that,

1083
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,479
agree. But the Magic, I
think it's they're just more interesting as sellers.

1084
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,920
I can't even come up with like
trade act with they have needs,

1085
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,279
like who are you like just get
picks at this point exactly. I think

1086
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:08,840
that's the biggest thing they're going to
acquire as draft picks. So I would

1087
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,439
look at I think the spicies take
I have on them is but it's not.

1088
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,159
I don't think it's an off season
thing. Is. I would look

1089
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,159
at moving Markel Folts and Jonathan Isaac. I don't have a problem with their

1090
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:19,439
deals. I'm more okay with Isaac's
than Faults. But you they're good.

1091
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,520
They risk sort of tethering you to
that sub middle of the East, and

1092
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,199
I just don't think you need that
right now. The spiciest Orlando Magic take

1093
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:30,399
I have is, let's move on
to the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Well,

1094
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,039
how about R. J. Hampton's
going to be really good? Maybe

1095
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:35,039
that's not spicy, though I don't
think that's spicy. Would you trade for

1096
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,199
Gary Harris if you're a team.
Does he have any value left? No,

1097
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:41,079
it's twenty twenty five million. Let's
move on to the Philadelphia seventy six

1098
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:44,760
ers. The answer here is the
best player they can get for Ben Simmons.

1099
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,760
Ultimately, it feels like they are
feeling pressure to move him more immediately

1100
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,680
than they should. That's just kind
of the feel that I get for reading

1101
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,319
the messaging that's put out by Adrian
which Marowski and all the other primary news

1102
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:03,479
breakers in the NBA world. Should
they move him now? Probably not,

1103
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,479
because you can rehabilitate his value.
Because he's a phenomenal regular season player.

1104
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,920
You're likely going to get more for
him at the trade deadline than now.

1105
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,920
But it does seem like they're feeling
a lot of pressure. Maybe it's from

1106
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,479
Simmons's camp, Maybe it's just because
they're tired of it just to ship him

1107
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:28,000
off. So I think that ultimately
Philly's off season is entirely dependent on what

1108
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:31,640
they're going to get back from them. Maybe it's Pascal Siaka, maybe it's

1109
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:36,920
you know, insert player here,
but they're going to move it. The

1110
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,560
two. A few things on the
beds Immage trains I do have. I

1111
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,800
sent them to you in the chats, you can actually process them in real

1112
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,319
time. You're not. I don't
think the SEJ mccllum deal happens if you

1113
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:47,680
told me, are they going to
trade them for CJ. McCollum or is

1114
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,039
he still on the team at the
start of the season. I'm choosing the

1115
01:11:50,079 --> 01:11:53,720
ladder because at this point I don't
know that you want to do anything to

1116
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,800
help the Blazers keep Dame. At
the same time, if you're going to

1117
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,760
trade Simmons anyway, maybe you don't
care. This is a fun trade and

1118
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,800
I endorse it. Just FYI,
so where I land on Simmons. This

1119
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,960
is the deal I came up with
the listeners. The Sixers get Desmond Baine,

1120
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:12,960
Kyle Lowry and assign and trade the
Anthony Melton number ten and Toronto's twenty

1121
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,880
twenty five first. Now, the
reason you get that is because they gave

1122
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,279
away their own twenty twenty five first. You're getting a distant first from Toronto,

1123
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,199
and you're now unlocking the ability to
trade basically a pick in any year.

1124
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:28,239
The Raptors receive Ben Simmons and the
Grizzlies get number four via Toronto.

1125
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,960
I think that's fair. If anything, Philly might be getting the shorter end

1126
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,800
of the stick here, but Simmons's
value is at such a low and maybe

1127
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,760
you would just prefer Kyle Lowry and
number four. I just like, what

1128
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,239
are Jail and Suggs or Evan Mobile
gonna do for you? It's just it's

1129
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:46,159
not And I think getting ten Melton, who can defend the point of attack

1130
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:50,000
and just shot over forty percent from
three, that's a deal I considered.

1131
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:54,680
I think they're gonna have to get
creative with Ben Simmons trades is my point.

1132
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,720
And I'll let you munch on the
final one I have. Like that's

1133
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,159
offbeat because we know all the other
ones as I'm rambling here, but like,

1134
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,319
I just don't the D'Angel Russell,
will League Beasley one from Minnesota,

1135
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:06,159
Like that's kind of boring. The
Knicks don't have enough wind now pieces to

1136
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:10,439
give you there. Sacramento has been
linked, but they're not gonna give you

1137
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,560
Tyrese Haliburton and just something built around
Buddy Heel or Harrison Barnes is thoroughly uninspiring.

1138
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:17,199
I think what they're gonna have to
do with the Simmons trade is they

1139
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:21,039
might have to warm up to the
idea of we're probably taking some picks back

1140
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:24,600
and maybe we could trade those later
for someone else, because I don't think

1141
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,520
they're getting the Lowry structure is interesting
because you're getting an all star who might

1142
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,680
leave anyway, so Toronto can justify
being Hey, Lowry and number four for

1143
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,239
Simmons is not really that much of
an opportunity cost for them. If they

1144
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:41,560
like Simmons and they think Lowry's leaving
anyway, I think that's totally fair.

1145
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,439
I'm on board with all that,
but I'm also just like kind of tired

1146
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,159
of the Simmons discussion already. The
last trade I have from them to wrap

1147
01:13:48,199 --> 01:13:53,600
it up is it's still Kyle Lowry, Devin Vassell, Derek White and number

1148
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,840
twelve and Toronto's twenty twenty five pick
too Philly. Toronto gets Ben Simmons and

1149
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,319
san Antonio gets or Hill number four
and forty six. San Antonio doesn't do

1150
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,760
trades, but I absolutely I love
this trade for them, and I love

1151
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,840
the idea of White, Lowry Seth
Curry kind of in the parade. It's

1152
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,000
a fun one to demonstrate like where
the value is gonna lie, because I

1153
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:15,840
do think it's fair for all three
sides. But it's probably not going to

1154
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,960
happen because, as you mentioned,
san Antonio doesn't do big trades. I'll

1155
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:23,279
rattle off some free agents that I
think Philly can target just because I think

1156
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:26,000
there is a chance that they don't
trade Simmons. Do you agree or do

1157
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,119
you expect him? I totally disagree. Just based on the tenor of the

1158
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,760
reports that are coming out. It
just doesn't feel like that's gonna happen.

1159
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:35,399
Well, then that's where it gets
difficult, because they're gonna have the mini

1160
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,399
Emily and I would say, like
you need to do what you can to

1161
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,600
be like, hey, can we
bring Williams back or can we bring back

1162
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,359
Alec Burks because those are players who
help you. But can we entice Cameron

1163
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:48,640
payin at all or a Dragach to
come at a discount? But you might

1164
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,319
not need them depending on what you
get back at a Simmons trade, which

1165
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:54,640
is why it's so difficult. But
as of right now, I think even

1166
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,039
if you trade Simmons, you probably
still need another type of playmaker, regardless

1167
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,239
of as you're getting back a Kyle
type, and then just guys who are

1168
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:03,399
going to open up the floor for
you, like just these cheap they're gonna

1169
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,199
be They're gonna have to be cheap
wings. But it's just like an auto

1170
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:10,199
porter or Theresa. I think they
needed to bring back Danny Green, by

1171
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:13,079
the way, we didn't. We
didn't mention him, and they do need

1172
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:18,399
to diversify or just give themselves more
versatility. Let's say in the backup big

1173
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,079
rotation behind the beat. I don't
think Dwight Howard is the way to go

1174
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:25,640
there. It'd be Daniel Tye would
be great. He probably wants to play

1175
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,439
more minutes, even if he's willing
to sign for that. So can you

1176
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,279
maybe look at a I don't even
know here, like just Harry Giles to

1177
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:35,319
get fun, even though he did
like probably doesn't project is the best fit.

1178
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,000
So but if you only need it
for you know, ten minutes a

1179
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:42,199
game or whatever, if you try
and go like, yeah, I would

1180
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,760
love to see Paul millsap chase a
ring in Philly though. That would be

1181
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,439
interesting to me. That would be
really fun. That would be really fun.

1182
01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:53,640
We are up to Toronto, the
Toronto Raptors. They're so they're tough.

1183
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,479
Let's I'll get this out of the
way, because are they gonna have

1184
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,359
cap space? Is Kyle Lowry coming
back. What I would like to see

1185
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:03,880
them do is keep Kyle Lowry and
just run it back or see them just

1186
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:09,399
doesn't feel like that's going to happen
though it doesn't. But I'm not ruling

1187
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:13,199
it out just because I want it
to happen. But it doesn't feel like

1188
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:15,479
it's going to happen. And if
you don't have Lalry, you're operating with

1189
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,640
cap space. But if you're if
you don't have Lowry, are you going

1190
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,600
to consider rebuilding because you have them? I kind of think you're gonna blow

1191
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,920
it up. I have listed as
my ideal realistic target for this team James

1192
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,119
Weisman because I think that Lowry is
gone, which means that you're blowing it

1193
01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:36,600
up. And I love the Pascal
Siakam to Golden State framework. I came

1194
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,039
up. Yeah, I don't love
it. I'm not gonna lie. I

1195
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:43,840
don't like to Sakham Draymond fit on
offense, you don't like Randall seam on

1196
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,800
offense. But you're all about Draymond
and Siakam explain because Draymond doesn't need to

1197
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,640
play offense for that team. Okay, Randall does need to play offense for

1198
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,840
that new York team. That's that's
the difference in a nutshell. All right,

1199
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,640
Well, I still I can't believe
you hat one fit versus the other.

1200
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,279
That's all I'm saying, Like there
should be a middle ground here on

1201
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,439
the Randall Siaka, There's no such
thing as the middle ground. I've never

1202
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,840
sat on the fence in my life. I just anyone who has listened to

1203
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,000
this pod knows that I'm terrible at
sitting on the fence. Right, So

1204
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,520
you think that the Raptors are more
likely to blow it up then I do.

1205
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:23,159
Which would entail? Does that entail
trading Van Fleet or just Siakam?

1206
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:26,800
I think just Siakam? Why I
think you can because I think that the

1207
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:32,760
return is greater for Siakam, given
the versatility that he's displayed, and there's

1208
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,680
a general sense that there's more that
you can get out of him than Fleet.

1209
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:44,680
While he's so good, it feels
like he's just an easier building block

1210
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,840
for Toronto to keep because you're probably
not getting as much back in return.

1211
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,760
I honestly don't know what to extract
them. I do think they could blow

1212
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,439
it up. I wouldn't be surprised
if they traded both Fan Fleet and Siakam

1213
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,960
at this point, it wouldn't It
wouldn't shock me. I wouldn't expect this,

1214
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:00,399
but it wouldn't shock me if they
traded number four and a win now

1215
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,880
play. We just mentioned the Simmons
stuff. They've been linked to Simmons,

1216
01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:06,079
and that'd probably be a three years
ago. Any direction, yeah, literally,

1217
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:09,640
any direction. I will say,
if you want to do the in

1218
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:14,319
between direction Lowry leaves, maybe you
decide to work with cap Space. I

1219
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,319
definitely think you need to look at
like a Spencer Didnwoody there to help you,

1220
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:19,479
just because you're gonna need another guy
who could initiate from the point of

1221
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,119
attack. And that's like sort of
the name I've circled. I know some

1222
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,840
people have mentioned Lonzo Ball. I
guess that makes sense with Brent van Fleet

1223
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,640
and Pascal Siakam there, I like
Spencer Didwoody, even though he's not a

1224
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,880
great shooter in Toronto a little bit
more. But that's like the again.

1225
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,960
I just I can't even begin to
think about free agents because I think it's

1226
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:42,279
so I guess we could both agree
that whatever they do is one way or

1227
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:45,000
another mord to Kyle Lowry's future,
because if he doesn't come back. That's

1228
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,159
the impetus for a rebuild or using
cap space. If he does return,

1229
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,840
Are you keeping the number four pick? You're looking to make a win now

1230
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,880
trade. I'm looking to make a
win now trade for sure. I could

1231
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,680
see. Couldn't you see a Jalen
Suggs coming in there and helping them right

1232
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,960
away then? Or No? Not
with low I don't think so. I

1233
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,000
don't think it's so difficult for any
guard to make an immediate impact, much

1234
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:10,079
less when you're playing behind those two
moral of the story resign, Garry Trend

1235
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:15,199
you years Rano, There you go. Washington though, another one where it's

1236
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,159
just baffling because we don't know what's
going to happen with Bradley Beal. No,

1237
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,960
he has not requested a trade,
but it feels like he could at

1238
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,520
any point if he doesn't. I
think that you're looking at when now moves

1239
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,720
because this roster is sneaky good.
Westbrook reinvigorated the organization during the second half

1240
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:38,279
of this past season. He looked
like a decent fit alongside bal You can

1241
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,720
expect to get more from Denny Avia. You can expect to get more from

1242
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,119
Ruey Hatchimura, Daniel Gafford was a
revelation. Alex lenn played, well,

1243
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:49,439
you're getting Thomas Bryant back from the
torn acl Davis Burton's is still there,

1244
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,760
Garrison Matthews is still there. There's
a lot of talent here. So it

1245
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:59,680
feels like you're just looking at veterans
shockingly, because this is a drastic turnaround

1246
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:03,039
where this organization was this time last
year. And I think you're looking at

1247
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:08,239
wings specifically Will Barton. I have
Danny Green, Will and Will Barton written

1248
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:11,640
down Will Barton, Danny Green,
Reggie Bullock of course, just to like

1249
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,479
that three and D type. Josh
there, you know the same names we've

1250
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,000
been mentioning. Yeah, and so
you have to be playing for them.

1251
01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:20,479
I will say you are obligating to
look at window moves if Bradleyal doesn't request

1252
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,840
the trade though, because and they
look they can do some interesting stuff between

1253
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,960
this year's lottery pick. I don't
know why I'm blanking where they are right

1254
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,479
now or they're not lottery they're number
fifteen, excuse me. So it's like

1255
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,239
a fringe lottery pick number fifteen,
Ruey Hotchimura, Danny Avia and then future

1256
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:41,119
picks because their future is so uncertain. Here's what I thought about, because

1257
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:44,359
I think you have enough offense in
Bradley on Russell Westbrook. They might be

1258
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,520
a team that could get in on
the Pascal Siakam sweepstakes because you have Daniel

1259
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,760
Gafford, Avdia Hachimura and picks.
Does that get you someone? You have

1260
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:59,199
Davis Burton's matching salary, Although Burton's
around the Siakham Westbrook pairing that might be

1261
01:20:59,319 --> 01:21:01,000
super critical. Are you going to
pay all four of those guys? I

1262
01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:04,279
don't know, but there are workable
There actually probably aren't workable ways to get

1263
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:08,159
Siakam without giving up Preton, so
never mind, but you haven't ready made

1264
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:12,880
sy salary matching tool in there.
I also thought about Miles Turner. Unless

1265
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,000
you don't think he's enough of an
upgrade over Gafford, I would argue he

1266
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,039
is. Defensively, I am going
to take the opposite stance. I think

1267
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:25,279
that Gafford showed enough in the brief
run last year. I don't want to

1268
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:30,159
move him. He was an energetic
two way force for this team, and

1269
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:36,359
he only turns twenty three in October. I wouldn't say he's untouchable because if

1270
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:41,800
you're getting a star or a Siakam
level player. You're probably going to be

1271
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,920
willing to move him, but I
would be really hesitant to give him up.

1272
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,600
Yeah, there the other name I
thought about. I disagree with you

1273
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,319
firmly there, but I wouldn't give
up a ton of value for him.

1274
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:56,279
But it's also they're going to run
to this issue with Siakam or Turner.

1275
01:21:56,319 --> 01:22:00,359
I thought about Harrison Barnes too,
but they just don't have the you're not

1276
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,399
training bol or Westbrook in that scenario. And then Davis Berton's makes sixteen million,

1277
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,720
It's like, that's not that's I
guess that's middle rung salary. But

1278
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:11,159
if Sacramento wants to rebuild, why
do they want Davis Burton's. Maybe Indy

1279
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:15,039
would want Davis Burton's, but why
not just pay Doug McDermott. At that

1280
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,119
point, you can, you can
step ladder it. It's gonna take Thomas

1281
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:23,119
Bryant Chandler Hutchinson, and then it's
gonna take a Denny or a Ruey.

1282
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:26,640
But like you can get there to
Harrison Barnes without giving up a Davis Burton's.

1283
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,079
Maybe you don't want to do that
though. That's where they're going to

1284
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:31,479
run into some issues, but they
are I think they're sneakily built to pull

1285
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,880
if they're willing to give up Deavis
Burton's dangle their youngsters in future picks,

1286
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:41,399
I think they are sneaky candidates to
pull off a blockbuster type trade. So

1287
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,560
here's my hot take on Daniel Gafford. And I'm looking at the Crystal Basketball

1288
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,560
rankings from NBA Math and this will
be a light spoiler in case anybody is

1289
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,920
following those so closely that they don't
want that. But going into the twenty

1290
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,880
twenty one season, he had a
two point nine three grade from our panel,

1291
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,119
which tied him with Rodney McGruder for
three hundred and fifteenth in the league.

1292
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,399
This season, are coming out of
the season, he has elevated to

1293
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,079
a four point three one, which
puts him in one hundred and eighty fourth

1294
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:10,880
overall. I bet he's in the
top hundred at the end of this coming

1295
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,479
season. Here's my thing. You're
just saying that you'd rather have him over

1296
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,640
Miles Turner. I would rather No. I don't think if it was a

1297
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,279
one for one swap, sure,
but you're going to be giving up other

1298
01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:28,640
pieces to get Turner as well.
Like if if Indiana calls and was like,

1299
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,600
hey, we love Gafford, We'll
give you Myles Turner from then Hell,

1300
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,920
yeah, you're doing that. That's
not what's gonna happen here. Washington

1301
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,520
doesn't have the flexibility to do that. Yeah, that's why they run into

1302
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,119
the issue of it almost has to
be a really big deal. Yeah,

1303
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,560
or it can't do you think,
And this is where we should wrap this

1304
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,520
up. Is Bradley beyond the Wizards
to start the season? Yep, I'm

1305
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,439
gonna say no. I like how
much we're disagreeing in this episode. It's

1306
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,800
good. I just feel like the
reporting of him all of a sudden weighing

1307
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,560
his future. And the telltale one
for me is the Russell Westbrooks stuff.

1308
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,840
You're not unless Bradley Beale said,
yeah, I'll the rebuild with you.

1309
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:05,119
Russell Westbrook's name is not getting out
there unless that you think Bradley Beale is

1310
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:09,960
not going to be there, because
then that's when Russell Westbrook comes eminently available.

1311
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,920
Otherwise you need him to optimize this
window with Bradley Beale. I'm still

1312
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,880
gonna say no, I just I
is Bradley Beale on the Wizards at the

1313
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:23,119
end of next season. No,
so this is but if you're gonna move

1314
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:28,119
them at the deadline, why wait
then, Like, because because you've consistently

1315
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:31,640
made the all in moves and you
need to see how it's going to play

1316
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,840
out from the start of the season. First. There's still enough young talent

1317
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:42,119
on this roster that Washington can very
easily convince itself to see what it has.

1318
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:44,720
If it gets off to a hot
start, it becomes a buyer at

1319
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,880
the deadline. If it doesn't work
out, if you're only a mid level

1320
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:53,039
playoff team in the Eastern Conference,
then you're moving in. So who is

1321
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:59,279
the most likely start to get traded
in your book then this summer. I

1322
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:03,439
mean, I think Simmons is gone
just based on how I'm reading the reporting

1323
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,319
around that situation. So I think
that's my answer. Other than that,

1324
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,439
like, I don't think Flowery's back, so it's probably Siakam is my number

1325
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,000
two. Well, yeah, I
don't know if Flowers is gonna get traded

1326
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,119
just because he's a free agent.
But yeah, it'd be funny if Simmons

1327
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:19,359
and Bill were traded for each other. It would be This was great.

1328
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:24,119
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1329
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:27,279
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1330
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:30,319
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