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Core Memory of Mine. Hello,
ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to not

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the Core Memory cast, but the
Alien Retrospective, the second film in the

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franchise. We're also doing video games
com books for the second Alien retro Aliens.

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I'm the clown Prince of Spray and
Dress. Now I'm joined by I'm

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your Sarge, kurricklen Patzer. Hey, I'm Dylan hus I am the forty

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two million in adjusted dollars Taylor Field. It's minus Paylottle of course, very

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good. Uh So, yeah,
we're here, as we've said before,

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in honor of Alien Ramless coming out
in August, which we of course will

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be reviewing. We are going to
review every single Alien movie, even because

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the only one we'd ever reviewed was
like Covenant, but it's been over five

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years and I think it's not the
freshest in our minds. So we're reviewing

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everyone. And then on Sidequest you're
gonna get an Alien Isolation review, and

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then we're also going to be reviewing
the Alien vers Versus Avengers slash Predator Versus

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Wolverine Slash. Since this retro started
a new comic book, Predator Versus Black

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Panther, which is gonna be fun
seeing Predator Land and Wacana. That's gonna

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be a good time. So we've
always talked about them, so let's do

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an episode, and then we will
also be reviewing the a vps as well

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to close off the Predator franchise as
well. So lots stuff and you can

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go back in the feed. The
Predator reviews are there, so if you're

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curious, they are around. Because
the Predator's got two films in the work

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too, so they're making a good
comeback here. So that's why we're doing

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this. If you like this,
if you want more, if you're listening

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to this, probably the week of
whenever it drops, there's likely at least

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a few other Alien retros, so
go do that because on episodes, sorry,

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on Patreon, you get episodes at
for early and exclusive. There's lots

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of good shows on there that are
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could have been listening to maybe months
ago, and yeah, you get to

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call them after nine vote on polls. Lots of good stuff like that.

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So yes, aliens, let's lead
off with mister Dylan, do you what

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do you think of this fallow up? Directed by the billion Dollar Boy James

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Cameron mister Navi himself, you know, passing from one Big Drugs. An

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actual nickname of his it should be
is three billion dollar films Titanic, Avatar

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one, Avatar two, this one. So no, not this one.

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No, I didn't. I didn't
quite hit the threshold yet, but it's

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still a wild title to have,
respect, Billy billion dollar boy. Yeah.

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Yeah, and you gotta think about
nine billion Avatar one, biggest move

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of all time, Avatar two,
third biggest moe all time, like and

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adjusted dollars to not even including Kles, My god, I think it just

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for inflation. I think Gone with
the Wind is the biggest movie of all

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time. That's insane, Yeah,
just because the mount of Pile saw it.

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But Dylan, did this meet your
threshold? Yeah? So this,

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I will say going through these alien
movies, because as if we talked about

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an episode one, we kind of
talked through our history of them. They

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really are all kind of a blur
to me, Like these original four I

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don't even know if you call it
the originals, but the first like four,

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I suppose they really all blend together
for me. And so going into

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this it does feel like I'm going
in blind to some extent I'm remembering certain

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scenes or maybe a couple of characters
here there, But for the most part,

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it's like I feel like I've never
seen this movie before last week,

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even though I clearly have before.
I kind of hate this movie. I

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think it sucks. Oh. I
did not enjoy this almost at all.

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Like I think the part I did
enjoy was the very ending sequence with the

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Big Mama, just because that sequence
was hilarious and like over the top.

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But for the most part, yeah, I just don't think this had any

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suspense to it. I don't think
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of this in the way that I
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The characters, I think there's one
other character that I like, and

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of course Ripley is always great,
but only one other character that I actually

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enjoyed, and everyone else is either
just annoying or such a kind of stereotypical

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character that has like just one kind
of personality trait. And yeah, like

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I don't the horror vibes and the
suspense the tension that is so good in

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the first one, like this just
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And also none of the action is
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I don't know what my expectation was
for this, but I really had

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an awful time with this, And
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be a James Cameron hater honestly,
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a kid, so it's been a
long time. But you know, I'm

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a I'm a known Avatar hater and
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I'm just not a fan of his
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boy, so toes that yet,
right, so it's true that that that's

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uh one, I I don't know
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I feel like this's gonna be stylistically
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it's funny. They have a similar
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a horror movie and Terminator two is
the action movie, but he did them

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both, which is kind of funny. Right, Okay, interesting, All

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right, mister Pats, where are
you on this? Now? We're starting

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a wild rocket paths or yeah,
I'll go I'll go kind of in the

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muck with a long Dylan. Maybe
I think this is a major major step

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down from the first movie. Oh
don't I don't hate this movie, but

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I just think, like, you
know, if you tune into our first

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episode, like I fucking love that
first and movie. I think it's just

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so special. I think you could
feel my passion in that when I was

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giving my thoughts on there, like
I just I love every aspect of that

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movie. And I really dislike portions
of this movie. I think it gets

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better as we go along with the
acts. I hate the first act of

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this movie. I it had been
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like watching it now, like I
like, I was like, man,

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this is really bad, and I
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we doing here? Like like I'm
really not liking this. Obviously we'll go

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into more details when we get there, but yeah, I really don't like

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the first act. It's more so
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way of just getting our hero are
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and I just I just had to
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like the reasoning and that's just how
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that's what we're doing. I think
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know, it's more action packed,
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weak, which is certain characters really
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the third act I quite like.
I think it's really strong. It's mostly

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just because we kind of kill off
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get to Ripley with a weapon trying
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and it's just like, fuck,
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do really like the third act.
But yeah, it was just really unfortunate

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because I've seen this movie quite a
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to a decade since i've seen it, so I didn't remember a lot of

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the main details. I knew it
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think last time i'd seen it,
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I didn't see like the early portions. So I think that's why the first

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act was so just kind of shocking
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I just I don't know. I
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kind of gets back there somehow,
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and it just it just seemed wild
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maybe you guys feel differently. I'm
excited to hear your guys h takes dealing

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but Taylor and Travis, Yeah,
but uh yeah, I know I was

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bummed because I I know, I
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all. I'm curious if I've even
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think about it, But I haven't
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those ones, especially for I think
so is that Resurrection, which one is

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pretty Nay, they're both okay,
yeah, so I'm gonna have to do

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the whole fucking chest strap like a
spaceship for those ones. But yeah,

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ABP, so you guys like ship
movies. I love a VP. But

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again, that's another one I have
revisited in a while, so I'm interested

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in seeing that. But nostalgia is
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make us do this though, and
he has to watch things from Kid and

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then he's like, man, this
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because I didn't watch Flobber. I
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two? The second one was like
the Strass Brothers. I don't know what

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else they've done. The one the
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like not the way like here like
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Scott, James Cameron, David Fincher, like three Kremda Cramm, Cure.

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It's interesting, okay, and he
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whole thing. But he's removed it
from his memory. Yes, it's still

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heavy. Removed it from his IMDb
page. That's no. I think it's

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so he doesn't have the power.
That's where truth flies for me in the

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movie industry. But that's one thing
at least like not to like do a

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fucking alien Ramos preview, but at
least with Fetti. I'm not saying he

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is on that level of that,
but at least to me, it's like

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a name that's like, Okay,
that's a good pick. Yeah, it's

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not like a higher gun where it's
like and again I shouldn't say that,

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right because James Cameron, he's coming
off Terminator, which is hailed as like

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classic sci fi movie, but it
underperformed, It didn't do the greatest that

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was Ridley Scott was still young his
career, so these guys weren't the legends

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they were either yet, right,
So I'll actually take that back because they

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probably were thinking, oh, this
guy do an AVP. He could be

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the next James Cameron and he wasn't. But these guys weren't them back then,

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So I'll walk that back of it. Actually, so yeah, I'll

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uh yeah, I think just final
thoughts, I well, not final thoughts

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in the movie, just just my
little warm up walk off. But just

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I think I sound very negative,
and I think it's mostly just because it's

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such a drop off in my opinion
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is. Because the first movie is
just it's one hundred out of one hundred,

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like it is just so it's one
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So jumping from that to this not
not not a major fan, but

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yeah, let's go pass the torch
there, all right, I'll go because

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I feel like we're going like an
incline of like worst to bad to better

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and stuff, so I still can
give a breath of fresh air. I

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still think this is a great movie. I think it is very well made.

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I it is what everyone says,
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This is an action one. I
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in the same ballpark as the first
one. I do like the characters.

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Ripley, Yeah, she just always
delivers. I do really like the combination

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of her a new together. I
agree, we'll get to the first act.

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I have lots of issues with that. For me, I'm just actually

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not I'm I'm fine with them doing
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like I'm always gonna like the horror
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one up in and that's what I'm
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it's a bit more of that.
But I think for me, I just

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don't like it sounds stupid, but
I just don't like how many aliens there

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are in this movie. And I
hate when the first one, I feel

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like they make it such a tank, such an unstoppable force, where in

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this one they're just getting like a
shotgun to the head and as over for

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the Xenomorph and I'm like, really
like to me, And granted, in

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the first movie, there's not a
bunch of guns, right, so I

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get why someone say, hey,
Travis, we're doing this because they didn't

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use guns against them. This is
what happens. But to me, just

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the way that fear that you have
an alien goes away for the most part,

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I think until yeah, when the
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very well designed and it's massive,
so it's like of course, But I

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think there's some great suffects in here. I think they still do a great

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job with just the look of the
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all the choreography with them. But
yeah, I just don't I'm not a

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fan of I know that's good for
I think like the video games that have

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like you versus a bunch of aliens, But in the movies when there's just

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so many popping out and they're just
dying very easy, I quickly lose the

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fear that I want to have for
the alien. So that's kind of my

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thing there. Yeah, the action
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one, and I just don't love. I love certain things they do with

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the alien as far as like the
breeding and how it works. And yet

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I actually really like the play on
the replicant or no, that's a different

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really Scott movie. What the fuck
they call him android? The Android?

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a great kind of like jug with the

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first one. I Ripley has this
terrible experience. So I think they do

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some good allusions to the first one. I also think too, along with

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the first act, the whole reveal
of what we're doing here is identical to

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the first one, and it just
feels kind of lazy, especially because the

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first act the kind of set you
up for a no, we're not doing

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that this time, like it's something
else, and then the whole big reveals,

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same things. So plot wise,

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it's definitely uh, leaves a lot
for me to be desired, But overall,

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I still quite enjoyed the movie.
I think there's some good set pieces,

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and sing Glory were just always kills
it. She brings it, so

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yeah, more positive than these guys, but definitely like it's not like because

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I know some people go back and
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that with Terminator, where I have
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T two because they have both very
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both Harold is classics, but I
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two. But there's tons of people
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feel like I bump into more people
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has that high octange pace scene is
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more the fast pace, that would
make sense. Yeah, and IMDb they're

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both in the top like two fifty
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both these movies are loved quite a
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Alily camp but still enjoyed this so
uh, tear Field Take it Away Aliens

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for me is it takes the cake. I absolutely love this movie so much.

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I think it is just a riveting
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there is not much to connect with
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Ripley and Newt. Just the soldiers, the grunts that they are what they

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are, but I just love that
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be getting killed off fighting the Aliens. It's just it's exciting. And I

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love how this movie really expands upon
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see so much more technology and the
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for this time were fantastic with what
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really cool. And I think that
if I remember correctly, when I was

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first introduced to Alim, when I
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was jumping to this one, and
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this was really just exciting because it
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so horror vibes necessarily. Well,
there was some scary stuff. It was

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definitely really neat just to kind of
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first version of this movie that I
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never knew that there was a different
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our local video store and we picked
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scenes. So when I eventually watched
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thought, oh, this is weird, Like I wasn't there a scene with

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Ripley and her daughter and all this
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they have two separate versions, and
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can, only watch the special edition. But for this I watched both of

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them, the edited or the non
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cletely wrong, not even just from
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just yeah, all cuts. But
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both Films Special Lisition non special Edition, because I just really wanted to just

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see the comparisons between the two,
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much. I feel like you get
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of this relationship between Newton and Ripley. Getting to see the the opening two

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of Just four and the bass and
like the the terraformers on there and the

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kids playing around, It's meant all
these like you just really immediately feel the

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way like they all die, like
these kids playing around, all get chess

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bursters going on. It's just brutal. Think about that, even though you

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don't see it in retrospect, getting
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and seeing that dynamic. I really
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ship, and then especially like the
turret scene. I love that you don't

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you don't see the aliens at all, but you you hear it. You

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feel the tension of them watching this
number tick down lower and lower, and

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you hear them smashing on the pressure
doors. It's just such a great way

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to deliver it a tense moment without
actually showing your your be all and all

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villains, your your bad guys,
your monsters, so I really appreciate how

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they did that, and it sucks
that it was cut. The other scene

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too, I wanted to shout up
that I really liked was just when they're

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in the lab and this is another
cut scene from that was in the special

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edition, when they're trying to talk
like, well, maybe it's something we

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haven't seen yet, like who's laying
the eggs and oh god not Hicks.

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Hudson is talking about, oh,
maybe like ants and you know, maybe

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they got like a queen or something
like that. So there's lots of cool

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things that they set up, and
it's just such a it's such a great

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freaking movie. This is easily one. I think it's in my top ten

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movies of all time. So it's
it's so good, so good, And

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as I said, I'd put it
over the first one because it's just so

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many things right for me, Yeah, I feel haven't seen because well I

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don't know I'm starting with this,
but Taor brought up, so I'm gonna

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go there. The scene one of
the scenes you're talking about with Ripley,

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you know, discovering that she missed
like the passing of her daughter and everything

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like that, that was actually one
of the scenes, specifically that, like

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Sidney Coourney, Weaver agreed to come
back because she read the script and she

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cited that as like one of the
reasons. She's like, Oh, I

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really like this storyline and this function, and then she's really disappointed that they

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cut it. They fought hard,
but they had to shorten the movie,

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and that's the one that got there. But I agree, I like those

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other scenes. You point out that
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especially I still the regular movie can
buy, and I think I'm completely like,

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I get why Ripley wants to protect
Newton. I buy they have good

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chemistry, you know, a mother
daughter sort of a vibe, but I

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think that would have added even kind
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So it sucks that. Yeah,
that's one of my trivia that she didn't

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really want to come back at first
because she's like, it's a class like,

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I don't want to ruin Yetada.
But she read the script, she

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liked it, and then she really
liked the relationship with Newt and her and

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then everything around that to deal with
just the themes. But yeah, they

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had to cut it. But as
Tayo said, it is in the special

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editions now, so it's sometimes it's
on there, sometimes it's not. So

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and you also, uh oh,
Amanda Ripley. So the daughter there,

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I think a school that that's just
that character that was established there in this

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special edition scene, never touched upon
again in any other format until we get

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to Alien Isolation and they build this
game around this character, which I thought

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was cool. Iretygot about that.
Yeah. Also, the few photos they

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use of her daughter is actually played
by Singourney Weaver's mother, so that's yeah,

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the face looked incredibly similar, so
I thought they were doing something weird

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photoshop thing there, but that's that's
a fun fact. Yeah, so I

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think that's really kind of fun of
like the mother playing her daughter's daughter.

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Like there's some fun kind of ton
fuckery there. But yeah, let's let's

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get in this opening act. So
we we meet Singourney Ripley, you know,

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it's her, and I forgot the
fucking cat's name. What is the

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cat's name again? Joan, Joan, Joan. So yeah, they they

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open up for the PA, you
know, of course, and Gorney is

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very you know, concern to kiss
what's going on. There's a couple of

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dream sequences here, but they also
just reveal, hete you've been asleep for

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over fifty years. Uh, there's
a few things that have changed. Uh.

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She does kind of a mini trial
or interview about what happened. Uh,

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they refuse to believe her story,
even though I don't know. A

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couple of days later, she gets
sent on a mission with said issue.

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Yeah, I ap so I don't
like, I don't know where we want

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to stop, like the beginning.
Maybe it's just when she gets on the

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ship, but absolutely hate the whole. I like her being in sleep for

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fifty years. That's good missing out
a lot, It's like, because that

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is crazy, right if you're just
floating in space and you get lost like

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man like, that's it like for
you just gotta hope someone finds you.

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That's what happens. So I like
that setup, but I do not enjoy

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the setup of how they get back. And it just it's odd that it

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goes from them shutting her down so
hard to they're sending her on a mission

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because she's experienced with these things.
So to me, it's just just like

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it's it's it's a magnet pushing against
each other. But it's not their choice,

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right, I think this mission was
spearheaded by Burke. And there again

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there's a lot of convoluted kind of
back stuff going on here with who involved

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is really aware of this and like
the the main guy leading that meeting,

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I don't think he really believed at
all. I think you have to no,

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really didn't believe at all. But
Burke was the one who planned the

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Colonial Marines to go in, and
probably a couple of their backers like,

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hey, if there is something,
and Burke's the one who put the order

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into right for them to go check
it out. I get it. Just

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to me, it's it's so weird
to have these two government entities where some

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guy is completely oblivious and then the
other guy, which I know could happen,

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but with this situation, there could
be something that puts it at risk.

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And then the like the reveal is
that they're there to capture these things

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as weapons, so they for sure
know they're there. I think it's just

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the pacing. I don't even know
if it's needed to have some character go

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to Sigourney and tell our oh,
you're wrong and that didn't happen. We

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don't believe. You just have a
recounting of the events and then Paul Riser

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decides, Oh, hey, because
she went through this, she's the perfect

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person. It's just I think it's
it's a very odd start to have a

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committee tell her she's an idiot and
then yeah, like Rias, it's five

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minutes later, No, we need
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So it's it's odd. It just
doesn't make sense to me, the pacing

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of it in the story. I
think it's also just like I love Sigourney

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Weaver. Obviously in this franchise,
she's fantastic. I wouldn't I wouldn't take

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her out of it, But like, why does Ripley have to go back?

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Like what is she providing? They
say she's an advisor, but like

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really what is Like it just doesn't
make sense to me, Like the logistics

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of why this one person has to
be the one that goes there, Like

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like they shoot her down so hard
and they're like needing her to go in

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this mission. I never was.
I mean, she's the only one who

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has experienced with this threat. But
like they're sending soldiers to just pop off

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on these aliens and that's that,
Like they don't in my opinion, they

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don't need to have Ripley that was
just like a vic. It's not like

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she was like a scientist that like
knows exactly how they work. She was

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just someone that witnessed and survived these
Zeno morphs. But I mean, I

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feel like there's enough mystery around because
they don't even really know what's going They're

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just like, oh, we lost
communication with the base and we don't really

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know what's going on. So there's
enough of a mystery to it where it's

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not like they just have like a
bunch of scanners that are like, oh,

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yeah, here's our threat. Here's
what they're doing. They're walking around,

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Okay, we can go in and
face them. Like it's it's a

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complete question mark at that point in
time when they send them in what they're

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gonna be going up against. So
I to me, I guess I don't

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really I I don't really enjoy the
first act because I don't really like any

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of this movie. But I guess
I don't have as much issue with like

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the actual plot of it as you
guys do. But you guys are implying

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though, that the same committee that
basically crapped on her and sent her out

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are the ones that are like,
hey, you gotta go back in there.

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But that's not the case. No, that's what I'm saying. It's

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just it's weird to having that.
It's just like, what is the point

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of having this committee scene where they
have to take her down and say they

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don't believe her yet to the what
is the point of that? What does

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that contribute to the rest of the
story when right away she gets recruited because

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I'm yeah, I'm with you on
that where I'm father being recruited because it's

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like, Okay, we don't know
anything. She's at least been around things,

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let's get her along. But like, why do we need to have

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this community at all? Go oh, well, you know, your story

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just doesn't sound like it all matches, and like what does that serve the

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greater purpose here? Well, that's
that's just the political portion of this company.

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Like they lost this I joked about
it, but forty two million,

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Like they lost this whole ship,
and that she is the result of this

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and she just made has a story
and they have no evidence to support the

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story. So they had this political
fallout here that they had to go through,

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and then five meters from them that
has information that could back her up.

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Yes, but that's where that's that's
where I think you run into this

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thing with the first movie where wherever
whoever, she's re reiterating it again in

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this scene too, like they went
to this plan on company orders to actually

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go in and investigate this signal.
So there's certain people involved in this company,

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in certain positions that we don't know
about, that are willing to supersede

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these orders or go behind the companies
back to either for the their own gains

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or for the gains of the company
itself. While most people in the political

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scene don't know that. These people
in this conference room, they obviously were

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not part of that. But Burke
was this person who saw this opportunity capitalized

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it, and we see him like
he's talking about they're going to come out

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as heroes, make money and everything
like that. So this is just one

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of those greedy individuals that pieced everything
together. So I don't put it as

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like this the committee kind of like
casting around and then hiring her, having

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the guy like like for Burke to
keep it a secret from them. I

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totally believe it because like, why
share that, you know he thinks he

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can go in with the Marines,
he can come out and just like easily

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pull this off, and he probably
he overestimated for sure, he didn't think

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it was going to be as bad
as this turned out, Right, Yeah,

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I guess I just don't see a
purpose of why it's there. I

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just don't know what adds anything.
You know, you could have the same

404
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thing where if she wakes up in
this guy's to say there's something going on,

405
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,519
I need you. You have experience
with it, you're into the movie

406
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,799
done. I know I'm with you, because like, yeah, I don't.

407
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,160
I think that skepticism makes a lot
of sense from the character perspective,

408
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,799
but I don't think it's very compelling. So I don't really know why they

409
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,799
chose to go down that road other
than just like corporation bad and kind of

410
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,759
like trying to have that and the
corporation is bad at the end of the

411
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,440
movie again too, right, It's
not like, oh they're they turned a

412
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,400
corn fifty series, the whole series
of the bad guys. And I also

413
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240
feel like with them sending her in, like they don't give a shit about

414
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240
her. If she dies on the
session, they could not care less.

415
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,799
So I feel like that's another reason
of like, oh, this is like

416
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:44,640
a bonus free soldier for us pretty
much that. I mean, maybe they

417
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,839
say they'll pay her, but if
she just dies then they don't have to

418
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,599
prepare her. So that also makes
sense. Yeah, I just send her

419
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,160
out there, and he does kind
of insinuate that, yeah, she's not

420
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,599
maybe having the best jobs, so
maybe you can pick up that maybe she's

421
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,279
getting stuff that's not like the best
type of pay or pay that's going to

422
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:00,200
put you for. Plus, it's
like, yeah, I don't know what

423
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,720
the economy slash dynamic is if you
were to go missing for fifty years and

424
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:08,519
then come back, Like, I
don't know how that works. I actually

425
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,960
liked more diving into that so I
could believe, like, hey, I'm

426
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,880
gonna do this maybe scary job because
it could get me a few more zeros.

427
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,839
At the end of my bill,
you know, yeah, I'm still

428
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,039
not convinced on like why she needs
to go there. You guys make good

429
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,240
points, but for my I'm just
still not there yet. I think also,

430
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,039
while I was watching it, I
just was never able to like,

431
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,240
Okay, like maybe Ripley's just a
fucking badass and she she is willing to

432
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,200
just go take on these xenomorphs.
Again, if I'm that position and I

433
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,160
barely survive these xenomorphs, I don't
care if I'm fucking scraping septic tanks.

434
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
You're not sending me back to get
the xenomorphs. Like, there's no way

435
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,839
in hell I'm going back to that
horror show that I barely escaped. I've

436
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:56,839
seeing chess bursers pop out, like
yeah, and it's like, you know,

437
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,559
you're you're working the dogs. You
could be working on a star freighter.

438
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,960
It's like, yeah, that sounds
great, Okay, let's go,

439
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,960
let's go check all these I think
it was a mixture of like the company's

440
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,920
reasoning to get her there and then
her willingness to do it. I just

441
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,319
wasn't it was the combine. I
wasn't able to fully get behind. While

442
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,960
I was watching it, I'm like, I feel like we could have got

443
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,559
a better and again in my opinion, better first act of like she wakes

444
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:26,160
up and instead of just being waken
up way like away from the event of

445
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,400
the first movie, like maybe she
gets picked up and like when she wakes

446
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,319
up, they're already going back to
where it was and she's just kind of

447
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,160
like stuck in that situation that like
the craft is going to that location and

448
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,240
she's kind of like PTSD, like
no, don't take me back there,

449
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,200
and it is like she's just so
erratic and they don't fully understand. That

450
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,759
was just the thoughts that was happening
while I was watching it, because it

451
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:49,680
just wasn't able to fully get to
that moment, and I think it was

452
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:55,759
just a bad way for me to
like start this viewing experience because I just

453
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,440
I just couldn't buy that ticket and
then now I'm just on the ride,

454
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,640
So it just set me up,
I think, for a bad experience,

455
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,279
but or just like just force her
to go because again, like another problem

456
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,920
I have, like again plot wise, because I like the adventure stuff.

457
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,200
I like the action stuff, so
I think they hit on that those aspects

458
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,000
really well. But when they reveal
that the plan again is just to get

459
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,079
these things back to base so we
can experiment them and be weapons, it's

460
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,880
just like, well, that's literally
the plot of the first one, and

461
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,160
we're doing it for the exact same
reason. And they waste my time with

462
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,279
Paul Riser pretending to be Singourney's friend
to just reveal, hey, we're fucking

463
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,480
you over again, and I guess
the twist is the androids good this time,

464
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,160
but like it's pretty much the same
thing. Sengory goes on a weaver

465
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:48,319
so fun. She goes on a
mission with false pretenses with a bunch of

466
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,759
innocent people and one person who knows
what's going on, and that Fox are

467
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,599
over. The only difference this time
is it's non android and instead of whrrids

468
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,240
action, like it is like the
same movie, and that's I just wish

469
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:06,240
Paul Riser was a good guy,
and they just cause it them factoring in

470
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:07,720
for getting the whole weapons there and
stuff. That's not a pall point.

471
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,920
It's not at any point. Sigourney
looks up and there's a ship being loaded

472
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,160
up. She's like, oh shit, I gotta take that down. No,

473
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,160
it's just like a factor revealing,
Oh, Paul Riiser's a shitty guy.

474
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,480
And okay, sure she's gonna like
melt the eggs. But I believe

475
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,079
Ripley already even without them being like, hey the way then Corp is gonna

476
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,559
use these weapons. I believe she
would destroy all these eggs if she had

477
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,279
the chance, like she would.
So it's just again, there's just multiple

478
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:34,160
things where I just don't think that
was needed because it doesn't addnything to this

479
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
movie. And then if not,
it's just a repetition of the other one.

480
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,559
But it feels lesser than I guess
I'm fine with those happening when it's

481
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,039
like, hey, this is the
sixth movie in the franchise and it's like,

482
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,799
oh, it's a little some of
the first one. When it's the

483
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
direct sequel and it's the same sort
of plot, just more aliens, more

484
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,319
action, that for me is always
disappointing of like, oh right, it's

485
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,599
just that. So again, I
wish they just were shitting the whole way

486
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,680
through of Hey, we're gonna go
get these as weapons we know you have

487
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,720
with this, you know, we
found you. You're come with us,

488
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,400
sorry, like tough shit, you
know, like you're what else, Like

489
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,799
Whalen has so much power, You're
just gonna come with us. But no,

490
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,160
they do this whole like tricking her
and he's they're calling each other in

491
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,799
the middle of night and all this
stuff. It's just yeah, not just

492
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,440
patting. I don't need and so
yeah, uh, Taylor, where where

493
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,759
in the movie is the scene with
her discovering her daughter, like that that

494
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,440
scene is that like in the first
ten minutes. Yeah, it's literally right

495
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,920
before she goes into her meeting.
Yeah that's for sec Yeah you're frozen for

496
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,279
a second. Yeah was I frozen? Okay? Yeah? Really? Internet?

497
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,440
What is this question getting to?
Internet? Did you have that show

498
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,279
box? Did they agree? No? Yeah, that's coming. I can't

499
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,599
see you. Maybe you're getting really
fucking around those sales guys. Because one

500
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,640
one thing I found kind of interesting
in something like not remembering every plot point

501
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,160
in this is the scene when she
she wakes up and she finds out she

502
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,839
just cryogenically asleep for fifty seven year
but then that's like a nightmare, and

503
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,559
then she she goes to sleep again. So I'm like, oh, okay,

504
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,480
with the time jump, just like
a nightmare thing. But it's it's

505
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,559
weird that she had a nightmare about
that time jump, but then that's actually

506
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,720
the time jump that actually happens at
and maybe she's han't she just had these

507
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,359
nightmares before she's already found out this
information. She's finding out again. I'm

508
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,920
not sure exactly how that works,
but I was definitely a little confused for

509
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,039
a bit of like, Okay,
has time actually passed? What's going on

510
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,319
here? I think something like that
scene discovering something with her daughter like that

511
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,559
helps establish that time more so.
It's interesting that that was kind of cut

512
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,440
and was to me a little bit
confusing, and then it kind of came

513
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,240
into focus a bit when they were
talking about, oh, like the terraformers,

514
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
they've been on the planet for twenty
years. At this point, I'm

515
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,480
like, Okay, well, now
we've made it for twenty years. We're

516
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
still not about fifty seven. But
I don't know I can kind of put

517
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,000
together there's been like a pretty substantial
time jump at the very least, But

518
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,480
yeah, I guess how do you
guys feel about that choice from a story

519
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,680
perspective. I can't even recall like
what the other movie to do in terms

520
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,400
of time jumps going forward. I
was with you with a confusion. I

521
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,519
thought that the time jump was like
a part of the dream sequence for a

522
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,799
moment because I'm just really not a
fan of that moment, Like it's it's

523
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,400
seeming like they're just really gonna fuck
with the audience here and just make them

524
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680
think that, you know, she's
got one in there, and I think

525
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,960
it just went on way too long
because they're like filling us in on what's

526
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:28,279
happened between In like six minutes later, she like wakes up and it's like,

527
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:32,000
uh, I'm like, what's real
and what's not? So I think

528
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,279
it just went on too long.
I think it could have been done better.

529
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:37,279
I'm not a big fan of it
in general, but I definitely think

530
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,720
it could have been shorter to make
it cleaner in that sense. But yeah,

531
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,519
like I do like that we had
a time jump, especially like the

532
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,920
reasons you guys are already listening and
the scene that was cutted that Taylor was

533
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,480
mentioning. I think that's all great
for just story purposes, especially when just

534
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,359
dealing with the the vastness of space, right, like Interstellar, like it's

535
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,839
an one that deals with that sort
of thing. So without the loss of

536
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,000
the daughter, there isn't really a
huge reason why you need no the time

537
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,200
jump at all. So I guess
that's probably just one of those things that

538
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,440
snuck into the final movie, even
with that scene cut. Yeah, that's

539
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,039
kind of interesting. It's like,
I guess, just the terrorforming aspect,

540
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,079
right, But even that, like
that could be like oh, she was

541
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,279
gone for a year and they started
doing that or something like yeah, yeah,

542
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,880
yeah, yeah, I still like
the passes of time. I agree

543
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,279
there's not too much needed, but
I just like that for a character beat.

544
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,200
I'm like, fuck, I lost
a lot of time. But yeah,

545
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,559
I agree. The pacing of the
dream it's a little it's a little

546
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,799
odd. You should get that and
then cut and then going to the dream.

547
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,160
But maybe they're doing that just so
you don't pick up that it's a

548
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,240
dream. But I think back in
that time, it's not that like it

549
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,839
was a dream. Wasn't like a
common plot device at times, right,

550
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,400
And I do like the actual nightmare
where she's sleeping and then gets the chest

551
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
burster going out, because I think
that would be the dream you would constantly

552
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:52,240
have, So I do enjoy that. That's something too that like like they

553
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,240
had it there, but I think
that's something that they kind of missed out

554
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:59,599
on of just like the PTSD that
Ripley is really facing and like it's kind

555
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920
of non existent, like because she
is just a pure badass that is just

556
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,839
teflon like like like all that fear
from the first movie, it just seems

557
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,920
like she just doesn't affect her Like
she's picking up that flamethrower, going after

558
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,199
Newt and just saving the day burn
all the eggs and that's just the bad

559
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,920
ass that she is. But I
think we kind of lose some of just

560
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,119
the human qualities that she has,
where like because in the first movie she

561
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,880
isn't a superhero right like, like
she's a badass mechanic and definitely has some

562
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,679
great traits, but nothing nothing where
she gets to later on, And I

563
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:37,480
maybe just would have wanted more of
that psychological effect that the Zeno morph and

564
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,880
just losing everyone on her ship,
like she literally lost everyone, and just

565
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,199
the like realization that the company is
just these like corrupt, evil entities that

566
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,920
are just trying to get the Zeno
more for a weapon like that is so

567
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:52,719
much like mental strain on an individual
just going through all that, and it

568
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,880
just it just seems like we're just
jumping to another adventure, like like it's

569
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,440
just kind of separated. So yeah, it kind of bugged me in that

570
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:05,480
sense. I think you get to
this she's tired of dealing with the bullshit,

571
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,239
and I think through this mother ves
on this motherfucking shit. That's exactly

572
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,840
it. I think that you get
this this sense, at least with her

573
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,000
character here where it starts off,
she's going through all this trauma, and

574
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,280
she's going through little things that are
kind of refirming her her strength, especially

575
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,960
with encountering Newt and Newt really being
a heavy, heavy part in that because

576
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,119
they both are very trauma filled and
they both kind of, with each other's

577
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,519
help kind of bounce back from that. And one scene that I really liked

578
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,840
is when they are in the hive
and you see them finding the survivor and

579
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,639
she's like, it's in me,
like kill me, and Ripley's like holding

580
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:45,639
her chest and she's feeling really just
uncomfortable seeing this killer just kill her.

581
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,199
Come on, fuck, man,
I see someone here. It's like,

582
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,679
no, no, no, I'll
happily put a fucking bolt through your brain

583
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,079
if I see that going on.
For you guys, don't worry, just

584
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:01,320
like I'll be back. Yeah.
No, it's not a good situation.

585
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Let me ask you this. I
can't wait to talk about these characters at

586
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,079
something here. But you're down there, or we're all down there, and

587
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,599
then we get a call from high
up head's head office like no firing,

588
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,360
you need to pull your MLTA home. I'm saying, fuck. But I

589
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,599
like it because it's an incompetent guy
with no field experience saying this so it

590
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,960
fits. But the fair part about
that is when like private Basque is and

591
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,079
whoever just like kept the begus just
like lighting it up hence my name,

592
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,159
because like that's their only one that's
a go down there, and their only

593
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:43,039
command is, hey, don't shoot
and ask that to like big gun everywhere

594
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,360
like one of the let's raw like
one thing, I'll go against your table

595
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,719
is like they did say, a
good reason not to do that is because

596
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,280
like the acid blood right, I
could get everywhere. So what's happening.

597
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,679
She's popping off and asses blood's getting
everywhere. She accidentally shoots one of her

598
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,360
own guys, Like yeah, like
to me, I was like I and

599
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,280
I actually did like that dynamic of
that captain who is like this is his

600
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,360
like he's like rookie seconds. Yeah, yeah, like he's he's working his

601
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,679
way up right, this is like
his first or second rodeo. So I

602
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:19,239
did like through as everything was going
really bad. Oh excuse me, because

603
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,559
everything was going really bad. Just
he was continually collapsing and collapsing and getting

604
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,960
words, and I do like that
near the end he had like a like

605
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,440
a hero moment. He didn't turn
into like a piece of shit. So

606
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480
that's I enjoyed of, Like,
it's not that he's the cowardice Benny type

607
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,000
from Mummy, it's just he's in
way over his head and he doesn't know

608
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,360
what the fuck to do and he's
trying his best, but he's still there

609
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,559
to like save the kid say that. So I appreciate that they didn't take

610
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,159
that rut of just oh yeah,
generic slop guy who is will save his

611
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,960
own ass in the end. I
like that. But yeah, that scene,

612
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,639
I think they were a terrible unit
though. They didn't listen to him.

613
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,960
They didn't listen to him. They
didn't listen to Ripley multiple times.

614
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,679
Just not good. It's like she
has some information, you know, both

615
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,880
movies again, she gives him advice, they don't listen to it, and

616
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,880
then all the ship happens. So
he was pretty impatient when they first found

617
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,039
Newt and he's like in Terror games
like where are they where? It's like

618
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:15,880
I don't, Yeah, you know
who this calf remind me of. I'm

619
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,760
shouting you out because I think you're
the only one is gonna remember this battle

620
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Los Angeles. The That's exactly exactly. This is like Outlast Charles all over

621
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,360
again. I've talked about Bally at
Los Angeles, but Taylor is like a

622
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,519
big fan of it. Like,
that's one of the movies I saw on

623
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:38,800
Imax. I saw an Imax my
sister got. Yeah, I only saw

624
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,320
it because the square, yeah she
got she turned to a fucking square.

625
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:50,320
Oh but no Weaver, but yeah, no, I only suck as a

626
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,280
dark knight air in that card.
It's a good at least it was a

627
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,480
good movie. But the captain in
that movie is like a very similar type

628
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,920
situation where it's like only a second
field off and he's like the dynamic of

629
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,679
like an officer trying to like control
like the soldiers streaming right now Battle Los

630
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,639
Angeles. An I got a DVD. I don't need that, but that

631
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,679
that whole line too though, you're
right, Kirk, I totally agree with

632
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,079
that. And I love when they're
in there and Ripley's like how many drops

633
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,599
is this for you, lieutenant?
And like like what does he say?

634
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,679
Like thirty eight simulated? How many
comment? Yeah, it's like second right,

635
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,079
it's executed on yeah, and you
just know, oh, we're so

636
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,039
fucked but oh yeah no, not
not anywhere streaming. So those characters,

637
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,599
they're all A lot of the stuff
they say would not is not aged well

638
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:45,800
or appropriate in today's society by any
means. But as kids, you ever

639
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,000
sticking from man No do you?
I like that one? Yeah, but

640
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,840
yeah, a lot of the commentary
that the soldiers had, and like again,

641
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,679
like Diyle mentioned, it's just like
the stereotypical, big beefy like procenary

642
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,360
type. Kirklan, I know you're
laughing when a Pone's like they're all waking

643
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,000
up that he's like every reels on
panquet, every paycheck's a fortune. I

644
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:15,119
love the call like he's just he's
just riding that guy. You gotta play

645
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:16,519
that audio when I'm getting ready for
in the morning, waking up, make

646
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,840
that your alarm clock. Yeah,
yeah, I know. I like majority

647
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,079
of those characters. I don't think
there's anything great, but I think they

648
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,199
fit there, other than Bill Paxon, who's like a standout I like,

649
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Yeah, I like Michael Bean.
But it's funny that Michael Bean Hicks is

650
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,320
like he's such a big character in
Terminator. I don't think for the character

651
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,079
ends up being in this if like
the second in command and maybe a semi

652
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:44,199
love interest to Ripley. It's like
they really give him not much. But

653
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,360
yeah, shout out to Bill Packs
who was a James Cameron favorite, unfortunately

654
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,079
making the avatarboies. But man,
like, he's just so fucking good in

655
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,559
this. He's so good. Terminator
is so good true lies like Bill Paxon.

656
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,840
It's just like for character actors.
I know he led some stuff like

657
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,159
Twisters, but character actors, he's
a top ten or man and he's so

658
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,920
goodness. There's a lot of lines
in here that he improvised, So I

659
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,480
think he's just great at this,
like like wanna be really tough guy but

660
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,239
whiny and then again I like it
end he does like buck up when they're

661
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,760
just like, we can't deal with
your fucking shit anymore. If we're gonna

662
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,239
survive this, I need you to
get over it and get ahead in the

663
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,000
game. I don't know, like
that's it, You're gonna die. And

664
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,639
then he powers up eventually. He
was reminded me of Lambert. She's just

665
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,639
freaking out that at various moments.
Yeah, but he got back, you

666
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,119
know, he does come back,
but he gets so cocky at the end.

667
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,920
Oh you want something, how about
you? Oh you want something.

668
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,599
He's like, Man, this guy
needs to dial it down. He took

669
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:42,519
the speech too to heart. He
took it. It's a little too much

670
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,039
there. But yeah, I like
the overall mercenaries. They serve their purpose.

671
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,079
Yeah, there's some kind of dumb
jug heads in there, but you

672
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,039
know some of the first one jar
heads not jugheads. That's a riverdell.

673
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,519
So would you would you say,
oh, sorry, go ahead? I

674
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,440
was gonna say, I'm not a
fan of Hudson. God, that guy

675
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,440
is so annoying. This can't be
happening, man, Like just every line

676
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:09,599
just sounds exact same. So he's
like overacting like a thousand times, drive

677
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,360
me nuts through this whole freak.
And of course he's like one of that

678
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,840
survives, survives like very close to
the end, like he's in it for

679
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,519
most of them. Man, oh
yeah, you go to hate that guy.

680
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,159
There's an easter egg actually in the
game Alien's Colonial Marines. When you

681
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,840
go back to LV four twenty six
and you go into the facility, you

682
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,320
see him cocoon in the hive and
he had he had chess burster came out

683
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,719
of him. Yikes, damn.
Yeah, but uh, what was I

684
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,360
gonna say? Okay, So if
you're if your team is calling for pickup

685
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,920
and your pilot's calling you hand,
like you run up the ramp and you

686
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,239
put your hand in some shit,
are you gonna like, are you gonna

687
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,280
ignore that? Sorry, say the
situation again. They just got sucked up

688
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,679
in the hive and so they called
for their pickup, and so the ship

689
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,000
was about to take off and the
pilots like, get in here, spunk

690
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,159
myer and spoke runs up the ramp, but he's like, hang on,

691
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,519
there's something, and she's get it
now. I'd give you guys the heads

692
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,320
up for sure. I'm trying to
think with that specific guy head scene to

693
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:15,000
that point. I think it's also
just like the rush nature of them vacuum.

694
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,480
Yeah, like you probably what is
this, Let's not take off until

695
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,039
we figure out what this is.
Like you're probably skipping the usual safety checks,

696
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,000
and that is when like the more
horror. It's not a jump scare,

697
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,239
but that's one of the better scares
I do. Like when she's like

698
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:31,440
calling form, she looks back and
it's just like the close up of the

699
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,360
mouth and it's like rattling like a
rattlesnake, and it's just dripping and then

700
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,360
just right in the camera cuts the
blacks, like, Okay, this is

701
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,559
like somewhat similar to the first one. I was enjoying that because I feel

702
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,880
like in when we meet the aliens
for or the Xenomors for the first time.

703
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,119
With the mercenaries, it's just like
I said, I'm on a Fanta

704
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,039
scene because just a bunch of them
jumping around the walls and could be cool,

705
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,960
but they're just getting killed like effortlessly, and they just become just to

706
00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,239
me, very non scary. And
it's just because I even feel like it'd

707
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,239
be different. I think to maybe
different if they're unloading on these things that's

708
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440
not working, then I bet,
yeah, you have a reason to be

709
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,719
so fucking scared. But really it's
like, okay, you're killing these things.

710
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,599
Of course you should be scared aliens, but it's like it's working.

711
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,639
You just got to back up,
make a game plan, have your weapons,

712
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,559
and you're good to go. So
that's why I wish some of them

713
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,960
were a bit more armored and not
easy to kill because they think they freaking

714
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,800
a little too much. But I
do get it. Your friends are geting

715
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,440
ripped apart, so isn't that the
big Like the big part of that though,

716
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,280
is that they don't really have their
AMMO, like they they're pretty limited

717
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,679
in their firepower at that moment.
Why no, Well, because if they

718
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,280
fire, they're they're basically in a
giant fusion reactor and if they rupture the

719
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,519
cells then kaboom. Yeah, I
guess, so, I guess, like

720
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
I think if they're fully equipped,
I'm with you, Travis, just fucking

721
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,559
in them right the right then in
there. But like they were supposed to

722
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:49,159
hand in all their weaponry and then
they're pretty limited because they just have flamethrowers

723
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:55,039
technically, except for Vasquez and use
those and Hudson's or Hicks Hicks sir,

724
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,360
I'm yeah, Hicks had the shotgun. He's like, I keep his handy

725
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,679
for Oh yeah, the old COD
four line. I remember they took that

726
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,119
line for COD four campaign shouts out
to that they took it from the cor

727
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:13,039
Yeah, I said that reverse I
got Sigourney weaved in that. Yeah,

728
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:19,599
I get it, hat Gen Sengori
weaved. You know. Oh, just

729
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,079
when we're talking about Hudson, forgot
to shout out when Bishop does the fucking

730
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:30,199
knife thing on him and he's just
like just maximum freak out, just a

731
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,519
really long shout. But yeah,
I always love a good five five fingerfal

732
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:40,360
a fil ay flake. Can you
do it? No? I feel like

733
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,480
I me and my friend would do
it like a pen in like middle school.

734
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,519
You know. I worked it with
a guy in my last job that

735
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,559
he did it with a knife.
Not as fast as Bishop by any means,

736
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,440
but he did like the whole set
in his hand, and I was

737
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,559
just like, why even do that? Like like, Okay, he did

738
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,480
it, and I'm like somewhat impressed, but I'm just still like, man,

739
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,440
what if you just slipped? Funny
man, that's what you're saying.

740
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,480
I'm like screaming, let's make them
on the games of that extra life you

741
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,760
know, everyone take a tor and
see better. That sounds more like a

742
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,880
rod or not kind of thing.
Yeah I should have done. What do

743
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,639
you guys feel about Bishop this go
around? Because I do like that.

744
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,360
Again, some stuff that does repeat, But for me, this is something

745
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,159
that works as far as when she
gets on the ship and they're like,

746
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,199
oh, yeah it's android. They
didn't tell her bad play, but they

747
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,280
think, oh, he had a
bad experience. One. I do like

748
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,519
that that carries over and she really
doesn't trust him until like the very last

749
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,639
ten to fifteen minutes of the movie, and then unfortunately for Bishop, he

750
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:45,159
gets fucked up big time. But
I liked that dynamic, especially too,

751
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,039
because in the middle of the movie
there's a time where shit's going on.

752
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,199
He's found on the face Huggers and
he's just kind of looking in it and

753
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,639
experimenting, and she's like, oh
man, this is the thing all over.

754
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,039
And that's why I like where it
is a play on the first one,

755
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,320
not just yeah, we're here to
get weapons if there's all these signs,

756
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,119
but it's just more so that androids
by nature are just wanting to be

757
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,679
scientific or explore look into that they
do that they only get to fasten it,

758
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,719
right, Like, so I enjoy
that he says I'm programmed in a

759
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880
way that I could not hurt any
of you whatsoever, and that is right,

760
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,199
but he still has like kind of
the weird creepy tendencies that the android,

761
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,760
you know, bilbilhind in the first
movie. So and I really like

762
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,519
land Sandriton as well too. So
I like Bishop as a addition here,

763
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,320
and I do like his uh death
scene because it's all going well and then

764
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,480
just and when he's just that scene
is wild too. Yeah, all the

765
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,639
goo shooting everywhere got him real sick. I got some trivia, but it

766
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,639
got him big time sick. Interesting. Yeah, this was the other character

767
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,599
that I was a big fan of
here. I think it's I like the

768
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,719
way that they switched it up,
because, as you talked about, a

769
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,440
lot, Travis, like the a
lot of this movie is just like running

770
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,559
back what they did the first time. But I like that they took this

771
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:55,760
and like, how can we flip
it on the on its head a little

772
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,920
bit? So I like that the
reveal is very early on and it's not

773
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,360
like some big twists that happened.
Yeah, Instead it's yeah, revealed early

774
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,760
on, she has her qualms with
that kind of thing. But then yeah,

775
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,599
as it goes on, they grow
even love his little comment where he's

776
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:15,199
like those models they had some mouthful, they tend to malfunction or I forget

777
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,760
what his exact line is, but
I like that moment. But yeah,

778
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,760
I think it led up really nicely
to the conclusion when he kind of saves

779
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,039
the day and helps saves Newt there
and then also just like yeah, whatever

780
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,639
that that mission that or he's about
to go on when he goes through the

781
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:35,119
pipe because he's just kind of the
best man for the job because he is

782
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,679
an android. I thought that was
like a good moment. So yeah,

783
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,559
that was the other character I thought
was a big success, and then no

784
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,719
one else really did it for me. But yeah, so far, the

785
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,440
androids have a very high ratio.
You know. I know in Covenant,

786
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,679
I'm not a fan of fastbender and
stuff, so we'll see how I feel

787
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:52,960
about that stuff when we get back
to it. But he's great. I

788
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,400
don't know if you remember Pern Prometheus, He's fantastic that movie. Man David

789
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,960
is like, oh yeah, so
yeah, that's that's very fuzzy in the

790
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,599
memory as well, so that'll be
a good one. Yeah. No,

791
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,280
I I love Bishop. I pretty
much echo everything Travis was saying there of

792
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,679
just uh, the kind of switch
around, the little weaving that they do

793
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,599
on us where you know it's it
starts up, seems like it's gonna be

794
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:22,599
the same situation as the first movie, and he is like as suss as

795
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,360
you would expect, especially for us, like experiencing the first movie coming into

796
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,320
this, like he don't trust me. Yeah, like those deadpan deliveries he

797
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,440
would say like no, man,
like you're yeah, because his face even

798
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,719
to like it's just like I'm not
trusting that guy because the first one he's

799
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,400
like trying to appear human, where
this is a straight up right away.

800
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,119
Oh he's an android and you can
tell he acts a little robotic at times,

801
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,559
so it's like it's off putting all
the time for Ripley. So but

802
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:51,440
he but he you know, he
he's an honorable character by the end,

803
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,639
and and like he is it Newt
that he saves like you reach out,

804
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:58,280
he gets in the ship like he
does. If it's not for him,

805
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,599
he's going to be this big Yeah. So I really liked that switch around,

806
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,480
and I liked how it wasn't like
it was kind of because he is

807
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,320
kind of like one of the last
remaining members of the ship by the end,

808
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,400
you don't know if it's going to
get to that point that he does

809
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,599
do the switch again, tell tell
the end and yeah, no, I

810
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:24,119
I liked all all the moments with
him and yeah, nothing, I've got

811
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:30,320
a lower question I'd love to have
answered here. Okay, maybe I'm sure

812
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,880
Taylor knows this, but open for
the whole crew here, how does an

813
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,400
alien choose between kind of enslaving someone, bringing them in, sucking them up,

814
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,400
put them in their little tubes whatever, or just killing them. Like

815
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,079
what what do you think it makes
the difference in them choosing to do those

816
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:55,639
two things to the field representative of
the aliens, Yeah, they're almost always

817
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,719
going to try and harvest you.
That's like their their main m the their

818
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,159
go to thing is just to increase
their presence. And so they're they're gonna

819
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,679
harvest you. And you can see
that as a parent. With Hudson,

820
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,119
they didn't ultimately kill him, They
just like dragged him under the floorboards.

821
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,000
And even like the marines that were
inside the hive that they found on the

822
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,079
radar detectors, like, oh,
like most of them are still alive.

823
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,639
The other ones that died were the
ones that got either exploded or ascid on

824
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,000
them and whatnot. So they're gonna
do their best to try and take you

825
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,519
back, because that's that's rejective.
Yeah, I'll have kind of like pay

826
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:36,840
attention to all the alien kills going
forward and just think about that because even

827
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,239
think we're like the person who's like
piloting the ship, like she just got

828
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,840
fucked up, like it didn't try
to harvest her for some reason. It

829
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,519
seems like no, and that's and
that's interesting, and it might just be

830
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,280
just from movie circumstances. Yeah,
I because ultimately, the way you could

831
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,119
see it is, Okay, the
thing knew it was in a ship,

832
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,559
but didn't know it was going to
also kill itself if it killed this person,

833
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,800
But it doesn't want to let the
other people get off the planet.

834
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,000
That's just a rabbit hole. I
think they totally just did that for the

835
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,840
sake of it. I think ultimately, I don't think James Cameron is really

836
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,239
thinking about it when he's making this. No, I'm not. I don't

837
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,599
think so either. I think if
at a nutshell, I think these things

838
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,199
when you when we go through these
other movies, you're gonna see it more

839
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,480
and more that they're gonna do their
best to harvest you and try to impregnate

840
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,559
you. If you are a threat
to a queen or right on their turf

841
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,559
like that, then that changes things
up. Like with Ripley here when she

842
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,800
threatened the queen and started lighting up
the eggs, they didn't care, like

843
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,960
they were charging at her from the
from the hallways there at the Aliens,

844
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,320
so but then they backed off when
the queen was like, hey back,

845
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,159
they backed off. Yeah, when
when she was threatening me the eggs.

846
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Yeah, so that's what I took
it as. It's like for me,

847
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,119
the difference is just if it's if
a person's potential threat kill them. But

848
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,639
I think I'm with Taylor. If
there is a chance to impregnant or take

849
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,239
this thing over, great, But
I think when they got the guns and

850
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,239
everything anyn like Ripley, it's like, I'm sure maybe the alien would want,

851
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,760
you know, a good Ripley alien
baby. But I think it's just

852
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,159
because Okay, this is clear.
This one, yeah exactly, this one

853
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,039
shown that they might be out to
kill us. Let's, uh, let's

854
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:06,199
just destroy this thing, you know. I was kinda I was kind of

855
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,679
chalking about it when Ripley is like
threatening the eggs and then the Queen,

856
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,519
I don't know if she does like
a psionic telling of the others xenomorphs to

857
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:16,199
fuck off, But yeah, I
just I think it's just like the way

858
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,559
it's shot. It just seems so
funny because it like shows the aliens at

859
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:22,800
first like creeping in like they're surrounding
her, and then it goes back to

860
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:29,480
them and they just like they just
kind of yeah, it's just like okay,

861
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,639
I get what they're doing here,
but like just seeing a xenomorph being

862
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:35,880
like all right, all right,
we're cool, we're cool, I'm backing

863
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,199
off, Like it just seemed human
of a It took me out of that

864
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,880
scene. They should have just cut
it and had like you see a few

865
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,480
things of it back way or just
they're gone. It was because it was

866
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,599
they entered the room like aliens and
then they were like guys in suits like

867
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,599
any Universal students, like no,
no, we're like, we're not gonna

868
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:53,880
do it. So I agree with
you. That was like, even though

869
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,519
that seems great, and I do
love that, Ripley, I love that

870
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,199
the queen tells them to back off. They do, Ripley backs off,

871
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,960
but then before she leaves, Ripley
still like, I'm gonna light this up.

872
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,000
But it was the face hugger right, like the egg opening up,

873
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:12,519
which again the face huggers, she'd
have to do all those other eggs.

874
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,639
So Ripley was like, she didn't. That was definitely no matter what it

875
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,400
seems, oh, I know,
and I like that, but Ripler,

876
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,360
right, it was still just like
I'm making this deal and then I'm gonna

877
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,480
still kill as much of these baby
face huggers as possible. Ex definitely like

878
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:28,239
the downfall. I mean in retrospect, she didn't know, no one would

879
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,440
know. But she's the reason the
Queen got out because she kept throwing explosions

880
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,719
on it and letting it could break
off from its its mouth that it was

881
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,840
kind of stuck in and all that
shit. So and again talk about design

882
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,599
and look the queen. That's to
me like all other than the guys in

883
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,960
the suit, but the rest of
sequence all ten out of ten stuff I

884
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,840
love. We need the practical effects
on that egg being birth and it's such

885
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,199
a great reveal where Ripley's there,
it's kind of darker. The egg gets

886
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,920
birth and just lands beside her.
She looks up. It's an egg.

887
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,559
It looks over. There's a sack
and it's just like huge sack that is

888
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:00,920
against well. It leads to the
queen, and the Queen's I can sleep

889
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,440
and then starts to wake. Like
that whole thing and the animatronics and whatever

890
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,400
they have on the queen. It's
just like fuck man, that like again

891
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:12,320
looks like so much better than some
stuff I know the why they don't do

892
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,719
now because of money and cost and
time, but just like I'll take this

893
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,320
over so much stuff we get with
these CGI creatures or aliens and that is

894
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,239
the whole way good. Yeah.
Again, it's very much like the first

895
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,519
one, where of course they escape
on the ship and the alien always just

896
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:29,639
happens to press themselves against the fucking
side. It's like, okay, we're

897
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,599
doing this again. But that's okay. Like I have really no bad notes

898
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:36,920
about the Queen, and I think
the Queen would be like heavy enough that

899
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,840
the weight would yeah ship or even
your ship would like detect something like there's

900
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,079
something on that extra ship. Yeah. Like even the first I thought,

901
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,800
why do they not get that?
But okay, but this one, especially

902
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,000
this one's huge. It's like why
does that see nothing but production design everything

903
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,480
is just like top tier. So
shout out to that entire crew that did

904
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:00,679
that, because it's I think that
is a good step up from the first

905
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,679
one to be like that's when I'm
actually scared of one of these aliens now

906
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,920
after I've seen a full hour and
a half of them just getting jobbed out.

907
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,119
You can't get this queen once.
It's like oh man, this is

908
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,079
this is scary. Yeah. No, that's where the movie really delivered for

909
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,880
me. That's that sequence was really
fun. I love too. I feel

910
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,320
like with that they're like, okay, budget wise, we have one take

911
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:27,480
at this, so you can just
use that flamethrower for uncomfortably longer than anyone

912
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:30,840
should possibly use that for. She
just keeps going back and forth, back

913
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,880
and forth. It was so funny
to me as I was laughing but also

914
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,280
just totally engaged by it. Also
side notes, Sigourney Weaver just holding a

915
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,400
kid in one arm and then the
flamethrow in the other arm. Just the

916
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,719
coolest fucking character and actor in person
of all time. Like that is like

917
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,360
peak coolness in movies. So yeah, that whole sequence was really fun.

918
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,599
I think they just really brought the
whole area to life. And yeah,

919
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:58,159
it was like it was a surprise
for me. I kind of forgot how

920
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,679
this movie was, how it ends. I forgot that sequence too, so

921
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,039
it was in thee And yeah,
like I I didn't think the aliens looked

922
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:08,440
great in this movie for the most
part with the effects, but that sequence

923
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,920
I thought did look really really well
done, So props to them. Yeah,

924
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:15,639
I had to look it up just
because it's curiosity. I was gonna

925
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,639
ask Taylor, but I didn't want
to put too much pressure on him.

926
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,199
No pressure me. He really fumbled
under the last que Taylor, what's the

927
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,360
what's the weight of a zenomorph?
Just like a regular one? Right?

928
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,079
I was gonna get that. I
just want to know what we're talking about

929
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,880
right now? Yeah, so just
the standards, you know more? Yeah,

930
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,719
seven eight feet tall, I'll probably
say. I mean, they can

931
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,920
carry a lot. They move pretty
quick, That's what I was like.

932
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:49,039
And they're sneaky too, and like
I was thinking, like they have almost

933
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,159
like an exoskeleton type situation going on
where it's like, does it make them

934
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:58,239
lighter than I'm saying eight hundred No, one guessing I'm saying I'm gonna say

935
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280
two hundred pounds. I'm gonna go
with three hundred and seventy four pounds.

936
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:07,360
Okay, So, according to the
alien Wiki, the what is it the

937
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:12,360
human phenotype is generally around seven to
nine feet, which I'm assuming is meaning

938
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,360
like the chest burster comes out of
a human. That probably what that means.

939
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:22,000
And then is that tail is that
tail like feet stad dome fee feet

940
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:27,320
to do feet to do, yeah, I think. And then the weight

941
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:32,199
is roughly between four hundred and six
hundred pounds with a long muscular tail and

942
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,639
large curve. It's just like it's
a big creature, you know. And

943
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,239
then the queen like twelve hundred,
right, that's gotta be Yeah, a

944
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,480
couple of g's right there, and
like this is where I couldn't fully find

945
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,639
like a solid one on the wiki
at least, maybe I'm not searching well

946
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:53,000
enough. But you know, if
we ask science fishing, ask science fiction

947
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:59,320
on the subreddit science fish, this
is definitely speculation, but it says it's

948
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,119
probably without the egg sack for the
queen roughly between fifteen hundred and three thousand

949
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,079
pounds somewhere in that ring. I
mean, Taylor said two thousand, which

950
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,159
is I think it's like bang on
on the money right there. Yeah,

951
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:13,840
that's fair. With Taylor's making me
nervous with how he's looking at me right

952
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,119
now. Yeah, I don't think
he liked your answers. He didn't like

953
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:20,679
your questions. He's a real android
over there, they malfunction doing his own

954
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:22,880
research, but still a surprising I
think this is like even four hundred,

955
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,960
six hundred pounds. I would have
assumed it would have been maybe two hundred

956
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,679
or or something, just just because
I don't know. They move a lot

957
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,360
lighter than that. Yeah, yeah, undred percent agile, but no eight

958
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,760
hundred because they just look heavy,
they look they look sturdy, you know.

959
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:43,039
Definitely what was I going to say, Oh, the whole egg sack

960
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,760
situation. I agree. I think
the design of everything is just so,

961
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:51,039
it's beautifully disgusting, like it's just
so well made. On how they get

962
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:52,880
it all. I loved to have
been on that set that it must have

963
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:58,000
been so much. The smells of
the gow whatever they're using, just crawling,

964
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:00,800
Dylan. It always makes me think
of and our Futurama folks go to

965
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:06,880
the slurms factory. Yeah, figure
out how Slurm is made. It always

966
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,119
makes me think of the gross queens, you know more if they're but no,

967
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,840
just a great I think, addition
to just the mythos of the aliens

968
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,079
and like where these eggs come from, you just have a big queen.

969
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:21,159
And of course once we get to
the Glorious a VP, we meet another

970
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:24,159
queen there, so I can't wait
for that. But yeah, don't listen

971
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:29,519
to them, don't don't don't let
them fool you. I I'm excited for

972
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,559
those because I want to have a
little expectations, but I think it's be

973
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:36,679
dumb fun and there they're super fun. What I was gonna say is,

974
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:37,840
because we haven't heard much talk,
what do you guys think of Newts.

975
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,039
We've talked about the daughter Mother Dynamico
that was cut, but what do you

976
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,079
guys think about the actual you know, this girl lost family high down the

977
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,840
ship Mercenaries Finder obviously is a you
know kind of mcguffin for Ripley, a

978
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,000
lotter and this movie goes missing.
Fantastic brilliant shot when she's in the water

979
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,199
and that thing comes out at that's
fucking fantastic. Yeah, Like again some

980
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,440
good imagery. But yeah, what
do you guys think about the inkle never?

981
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,320
I really like nut here. I
think she's a great factor to include

982
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,440
of like someone very vulnerable but also
like a different dynamic than what the aliens

983
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,719
are hunting, you know, like
you have these big, macho marines and

984
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,239
then you have like a very I
was gonna say sceptible that is not the

985
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,119
right word, just just a fragile, yeah, but like something that like

986
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,840
not equipped soldier, like like literally
just a child, but she's able to

987
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:36,079
survive in this environment by just sticking
to her little caverns and vents wherever she's

988
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:39,679
hiding. And I love the moment
when they find her and then Sigourney is

989
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,519
able to get a one on one
with her and she's like, don't worry,

990
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,079
we have like soldiers and she's just
like that's not like it's not gonna

991
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,559
do anything, Like it's not gonna
I just love that moment so much.

992
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:53,719
And I love like the here moment
that Ripley has at the end to go

993
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,599
back and save her. So I
really like her inclusion of this of just

994
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:02,079
kind of balancing out because otherwise you
just have these like macho soldiers and Ripley,

995
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,679
but like throwing in like a civilian
child is a fun dynamic and you

996
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:12,360
know, like she is fragile,
she is a child, but she still

997
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,320
has obviously some skills to kind of
stay alive on the ATID longer than a

998
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,519
lot of them. Yeah. Absolutely, and uh yeah no. I really

999
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:24,239
like her here And don't remember what
happens in the next movie, so I

1000
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,239
curious her first story just ends here
or not. Buckle up, buck up,

1001
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,599
Yeah, I don't. I don't
think it was very effective for me.

1002
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,440
It is like era of like kid
actors, you know, not great.

1003
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,159
Yeah, yeah, so I don't. I don't think it added much.

1004
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:45,960
We didn't really detract from it overall. But yeah, I didn't add

1005
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,079
that. I found it interesting.
I was looking at that actress like that

1006
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,719
was the she did that and then
nothing and then did a movie in twenty

1007
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,159
twenty. Yeah, after all these
years came back. It did sound.

1008
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:58,920
I think that's kind of interesting for
I wonder what her life has looked like.

1009
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,079
But uh, I don't think I've
much to add on nude. They're

1010
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:07,599
not my not my favorite. Okay, anything else specifically to add. I

1011
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,159
look at my notes for what I
have, but uh, sprang, I

1012
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,440
did that. I'm not sure if
you guys mentioned it, if I might

1013
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,800
have missed it when I stepped out. But I love the moment when they

1014
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,480
are first finding like the colonizers and
and they're like, okay, we found

1015
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,280
them. They're all chilling in this
one area because there's just so many blips

1016
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,679
on the radar, and then of
course they go there. It's just fucking

1017
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,519
worst case scenario. They're all just
getting chestead and weaving on into the next

1018
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,960
life. So yeah, I like
that moment. If I had my ass

1019
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,800
handed to me with my squad and
we just got out and we had to

1020
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,960
fortify the base and we had to
look at that map that they supplied,

1021
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:51,440
I'd be getting more panicked because how
the fuck do you read that map.

1022
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:57,800
It's like impossible. It's all white
lines on a blue screen. I yeah,

1023
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,119
I'm sent with you that. There's
moments when I'm like, okay,

1024
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:03,000
they're like pointing an event here that's
kind of try and figure out how to

1025
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:06,960
follow this map, and it's it's
just fucking It's like a rat's nest of

1026
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:15,199
wires like a map exactly. It's
stressful. Shit. Yeah, I'm not

1027
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,239
being that guy. I'm not being
the map guy. I'll let you know

1028
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,599
that I have enough troubles reading the
maps in that last trial, so I'm

1029
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:24,800
not going to be the mouth there. So I have a few random notes

1030
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,039
here. I love the look of
the tank and I love that it was

1031
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,400
I assume they had a vehicle and
like built everything around it so it could

1032
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,920
actually move. I thought that was
really cool. I also I thought it

1033
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,119
was funny that the loader, which
I think it's fun that that comes back

1034
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:42,280
in the finale, and that's what
she uses a take on the queen that

1035
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,679
just look like someone's straight out of
Avatar. To me, like, that's

1036
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,000
exact kind of te absolutely the people
have so I thought that was kind of

1037
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:55,800
a funny connection there. The one
guy. I love that the the instant,

1038
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,199
the frame that he exits cryo sleep, he's already got his cigar and

1039
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,599
she's going ham at it. I'm
like, then, I feel like your

1040
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:06,039
lungs probably need a bit to get
uh working again properly. But no,

1041
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:11,599
he's already he's already going quote on, so he's warming them up to respect

1042
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:15,519
that. And then just a couple
of random quotes. Uh, Ripley drops

1043
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,719
this one, did I accuse drop
sharply while I was away when they're just

1044
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,440
being stupid? I thought that was
a good one. I forget who or

1045
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,400
what the context is. Someone says, stop your grinning and drop your linen.

1046
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:31,719
So that was the colonists. There
you go. And then I love

1047
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,440
the line from Ripley when she said
when she's talking about the planet, she's

1048
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,039
like, we just got a nuked
from orbit uh, and they're like,

1049
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,519
this place has a very high value
though, and she's like, well,

1050
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,000
you can Bill me. She obviously
her deliver is much better than mine.

1051
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,400
But I really liked that that line
because I feel like she just has so

1052
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,719
much more confidence this time around,
and I feel like she's just there's no

1053
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:56,960
no bs with her anymore now that
she's at this point where she's she's been

1054
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,320
here, just been here before.
She's going in circles, and so she

1055
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,880
just doesn't want to fuck around with
these people. And obviously no one's going

1056
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,599
along with her or the at least
not making it easy on her. So

1057
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:09,519
I like when she has a little
little remarks like that, that's a great

1058
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:11,760
line too, And when I love
it she says that, and there's like

1059
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,519
a hush over the room except for
Bill Pax when he's like, fucking hey,

1060
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,039
I just enjoy that. Like he's
this, like he's the same way

1061
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:23,039
as her, that he's done with
all of it, but not out of

1062
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,800
like a maturity and like worth the
way, like he's just so scared shitless,

1063
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,280
like he'll take he didn't care about
the job, he doesn't care the

1064
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,679
ramifications, Like he's just right,
like, yeah, if we can newt

1065
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:35,280
this whole planet, please let's do
this so yeah. He has another moment

1066
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:40,960
when they're talking about like someone's gonna
go out there and repair the satellite,

1067
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,440
dish to call the ship and we'll
pie the ship down, and Hicks has

1068
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,599
his like he can count me out, Hicks, and guess you can count

1069
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:51,000
you out of everything. And Bishop
keeps saying like I'll go, I'll go,

1070
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,920
and then Huts is like, yeah, man, Bishop should go over.

1071
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:01,039
He's a good character, so spineless. Maybe I'm wrong, but like,

1072
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:03,480
tay, you can correct me because
you've seen these movies more, especially

1073
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,920
the later ones, when they're outside
they're waiting for the ship and it goes

1074
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,159
down, and they talk about,
oh, like how long it would be

1075
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:12,679
till the next one would come.
And then Dud's like, well, we

1076
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,800
like we can't survive out here in
the dark. Is there any movie that

1077
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,400
does that where it's like they're outside
where like like that situation where they're outside

1078
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,400
when the darkness comes, these aliens
are gonna be all over this planet on

1079
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,000
the outside because it's a lot of
ship based suff and that maybe might happen

1080
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:34,079
more in the I think just covet
okay, so you get that, But

1081
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,920
this setting you're saying is definitely in
Covenant, Okay, just because like maybe

1082
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,360
hopefully I'll appreciate that this go around, because I just think that would be

1083
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,800
a scary thing. Imagine you're outside
in the dark and now these things,

1084
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,320
Like I think the ship is scary, but at least the ship has some

1085
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,320
lights, has like a door you
get behind something, but you're just out

1086
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,440
and open field and now these things
are like you gotta get back in somewhere

1087
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:01,280
until before sundown. That would be
terrifying. So yeah, there's the moment

1088
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,360
when I think Ripley is just like, you know, is there anything I

1089
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,559
can do? And then I think
it's a pone or something. She's like,

1090
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:11,360
I don't know, is there anything
you can do? And then she

1091
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,479
gets on the uh, the fucking
mech thing and it's like, you know,

1092
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,079
she does something pretty impressive, but
the shot goes like a pone and

1093
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:24,560
fucking Hicks and they're just like looking
at each other like look at that.

1094
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,439
Yeah, it's just bad. Yeah, it's just so cheesy, Like I

1095
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,000
know what they're going for. You
know, she's got value and they're seeing

1096
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:33,039
that, which is great, but
it's just the way they did it was

1097
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:38,239
just hilarious. Similar Oh sorry,
go ahead, which is funny because that's

1098
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,399
still stuff he does in the Avatar
movies. Like the way these characters react,

1099
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,319
it's the same way an Avatar and
there's some about here, I guess

1100
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,039
I get it's more palatable, but
it's like, oh, this shouldn't be

1101
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:53,319
happening in like twenty twenty three,
but he still doesn't man, you know,

1102
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,720
just he's like, yeah, fuck, we're cool. And like on

1103
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:02,800
that same topic too, is just
with Vasquez again. I think it's Drake

1104
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:08,239
is like the blonde guy that's just
buddies with her. And it's after when

1105
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:12,960
she when she does like the nice
one liner on uh on buddy of just

1106
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:15,239
like you know, you do you
ever get called a man? You know

1107
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,039
whatever the fuck it says, my
gosh, I'm leaving right now. But

1108
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:25,680
uh, Drake goes up toward its
like you're just too good, Basquez,

1109
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,199
and they like high five and it's
like fuck yeah. There's a couple other

1110
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,359
times in the movie when those two
have a moment like that are just like

1111
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,319
fuck yeah, Vasquez get some and
they're just like high five. And that's

1112
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:40,439
just like that macho, like I
don't know, like soldier type personality,

1113
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,359
which I just James Cameron man,
like it's you're just saying Travis, like

1114
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,840
that happens in Avatar, like the
courage, like that guy, like that's

1115
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,159
his character that's used to people don't
know you know. That's all I get

1116
01:09:53,279 --> 01:10:00,680
the job, get some Yeah,
express hell going down. They were jumping

1117
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,640
out of the plane. Yeah.
I really love the first person point of

1118
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:10,000
view that they had on like our
soldiers of just seeing like Ripley and like

1119
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,680
the people that are not there kind
of what they're seeing. I thought that

1120
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:19,359
was fun and yeah, it was
a good conclusion there. Jurassic World definitely

1121
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:24,600
just ripped off that scene, eh
when they go in to go, because

1122
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,079
remember they had that scene where Christ
and they have all the cameras on their

1123
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:30,319
guns. So yeah, there you
go. That's definitely a contribute to it.

1124
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:32,399
I didn't think about it until Kirkland
said it, but that's the same

1125
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:36,560
scene where they're in there and then
they could camouflage and they all get this

1126
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:45,680
common that's all my notes, that's
all I got. Yeah. Just a

1127
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,760
pone man, he's just he's a
highlight for me. He really really is,

1128
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,119
Like I do like a pone.
He's great and I wish he survived

1129
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:56,640
that first and initialll fight, but
like the poor guy he was trying to

1130
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,800
listen to the lieutenant lieutenant was just
being an idiot, and he's doing his

1131
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:01,680
he's a loyal soldier, Like he
is a loyal soldier, trying to give

1132
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,880
up my magazines. All right,
hand's gonna get some medals, you know,

1133
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:11,199
metals for sure. His lines though
with Hudson was just great because Hudson's

1134
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:14,039
just being cheeky, like how do
I get this chicken shit outfit? And

1135
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,079
you still got shit, Hudson.
And even after that he's like he's like

1136
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:21,960
biting his teeth. Come here,
Come. There's all these little dynamics between

1137
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:27,479
the characters that I really appreciate,
and Hicks is definitely one of my favorites.

1138
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,159
I really like how he's just so
quiet and silent, and then when

1139
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:34,640
it comes to that he's you know, he's corporal and he agrees with Ripley,

1140
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,720
like Nukem from Morbit, it just
really takes charge of the situation.

1141
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,479
Even when the Lieutenant Gorman comes back
from his concussion, he's not like he

1142
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:50,279
understands that the situation is what it
is here and he's relinquishing his command for

1143
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:55,439
the experienced one here, which is
which is Hicks taking control. I'm just

1144
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,960
understanding too, like they got to
work as a team and he can't just

1145
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,800
be dished out orders in a situation
he just doesn't stand anymore. So I

1146
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,079
really appreciate that one scene that I
really love, and it's great because I

1147
01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:12,479
feel like Feede is going to be
really amplifying this based on what we saw

1148
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,439
in the last Alien ro Omulus trailer. That scene when Burke trapped the two

1149
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:21,279
facehuggers in the infirmary with Ripley and
Newt was fucking terrifying because it's when it

1150
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,520
like it jumps on the bed and
she pins it on the mattress and then

1151
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,920
she flips the mattress and they back
up against the wall. They're making no

1152
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:30,800
sound, bang on the glass.
Burke turns the camera off. You're thinking,

1153
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,840
fuck, this is brutal, and
you just you're looking around. You

1154
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,279
don't know where these things are.
And there's a like you said when News

1155
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:40,760
in the water and the Zeno comes
up from behind her. There's a few

1156
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,159
scenes in here that they just they
landed so well. Again the alien queen

1157
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,279
at the end on the ship that
was done well, but there's a part

1158
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,479
here where Ripley is backing up and
she's throwing things in front of her,

1159
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,319
and you just see the face hooker
crawling on the ground towards her, and

1160
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:59,680
they puppeteered that so fucking well.
It's so scary and it jumps and she's

1161
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,359
holding it. It's it's absolutely terrifying. And then the other one comes up

1162
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:09,359
where nude is and she's holding the
the the little thing against the wall,

1163
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:12,840
pitting its tail. Like there's so
many things happening here in the sequence that

1164
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,600
it's crazy. And yeah, the
team comes in and and saves her,

1165
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,680
and it's cool because you get expositions
here on the plan that Burke was gonna

1166
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:25,359
basically like sneak them, sneak the
eggs into them or the chest bushes into

1167
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:28,520
them, and yeah, yeah,
yeah, oh yeah, terrible terrible person.

1168
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,920
I get Ripley's you know, like
like want to send Burke back to

1169
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:34,920
answer for his crimes. Oh yeah, no, what are you doing?

1170
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:39,039
What are you doing in that situation? I'm just off throw them out.

1171
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,600
Is going to kill him because he's
like he he he's very cheeky with him

1172
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,640
too, because he hit Burke earlier. Was like he's just a grunt,

1173
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,039
no offense. And then here Hicks
is like, I know we waste him,

1174
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:56,399
no offense. He grabs him.
Yeah, chuck him out there with

1175
01:13:56,399 --> 01:14:01,840
the aliens, way paying for his
crimes. Like I get like he knows

1176
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,640
he's fucked, But I don't know
why you'd bugger off on your own,

1177
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,560
like you trapped them behind, like
you got no guns, Like what's your

1178
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:13,239
plan? Like it's it's just ridiculous. Didn't go well, It didn't go

1179
01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:16,960
well at all. Anything else before
some trivia here, uh, the alien

1180
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:20,760
queen following her with the elevators.
I like that scene. That was intense,

1181
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:29,159
that was crazy. I think that's
pretty much all that I got.

1182
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,840
There. You go, this is
when you go on to be There's tons

1183
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,479
and tons of trivia. So I
cherry picked a few things that were interesting,

1184
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,960
but there's tons of like really good
stuff that I was like, oh,

1185
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,600
I could just read the whole page, but I didn't. Let's see,

1186
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,239
there is like a classic story you
should go look into it where they're

1187
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,920
talking about alien and what they're gonna
do. All that Jeans Karen did on

1188
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,920
a white board. The legend is
that he wrote down the word alien and

1189
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,199
then with an S and then put
money symbols into it. So that's how

1190
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:02,920
you nice pitch this, Yeah,
James, that's what his boys were doing

1191
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,880
pretty much. And I don't have
this in trivia. I just thought each

1192
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,159
other so that they just didn't even
ask Redley Scott back for this. That's

1193
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,760
sometimes they'd claim it would have been
like scheduling issues, but no, Ridley

1194
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,800
Scott said, they just never never
gave them the option, and that's what

1195
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,399
happened. Weird. Yeah, when
you make a hit film, which doesn't

1196
01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:20,760
matter if they own it, they
own it. So but then obviously came

1197
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,960
back for Prometheus, Cameron put the
dollar sign on the board like, oh,

1198
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,880
this is our man. Yeah,
I gotta stick with him there,

1199
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,760
right. So, like most films, this movie wasn't shot in sequence,

1200
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,640
but for ad realism, Cameron wanted
to ensure that the last scene that was

1201
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:39,079
filmed was the scene where all the
the Marines are together, kind of like

1202
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,319
getting ready chip and everything like that, just because they'd spent months filming together.

1203
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:45,239
So he won that realism of the
sort of bomb there. It's like

1204
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,880
you know that that's actually like a
really good call and there's you know,

1205
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,880
stuff like that, you go,
oh, yeah, that's smart. You

1206
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,840
know, don't give actors enough credit
for, yes, being able to just

1207
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,399
like accurately do your scenes out of
order and be able to be in the

1208
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,119
right mindset must be a hard,
hard job. Oh yeah. Bill Paxton

1209
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:09,359
continuously apologized to Carrie Hannon, who
played Newt, throughout the filming. Every

1210
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:12,319
time Hudson had to swear in front
of her, Carrie later a minute she

1211
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:15,880
didn't mind, mainly because she had
no idea what the words meant. When

1212
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,880
filming the scene with Newton. Yeah, when filling the scenes with Newt in

1213
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,760
the duct, Carrie Han kept deliberately
blowing her scene so she could slide down

1214
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,680
the vent, which she later called
a slide that was three stories tall.

1215
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:35,079
James Cameron finally dissuaded her by saying
if she completed the scene, she could

1216
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:38,720
play on it as much as she
won. And she did and kept it

1217
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,680
and he kept his promise. So
he just sat and said, hey,

1218
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,840
get this done, then he can
keep going. But as a kid,

1219
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,680
she just like she kept screwing.
She wanted to go down there. Lance

1220
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,600
Hendrickson, who played Bishop had Priestley, decided he was going to quit acting

1221
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,279
if this role didn't work out for
him after many years, just kind of

1222
01:16:56,319 --> 01:17:00,359
being a character man or journey man, like the character actors should say.

1223
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,560
But yeah, it was one of
the most successful films. Uh, did

1224
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,720
it work out for him? It
achieved what he wanted it to. Yeah.

1225
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,119
I think he put him on the
map, and he was in a

1226
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:12,239
bunch more stuff down the line.
So he's in four Bigfoot movies. Wow,

1227
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:16,720
that's insane. One in four three
hard limits Sigourney. We were his

1228
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,520
best, which I didn't even know. This Best Actress Academy nomination for this

1229
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,680
movie was the first ever actress for
a role on a sci fi action movie.

1230
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:29,239
I did not know she gotried for
this, although previously Gene Alexander been

1231
01:17:29,399 --> 01:17:33,439
nominated for an apocalypt drama Testament and
Melinda Dyllon was nominated for Close Accounters the

1232
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,920
third time. But yeah, no, I did not know at first one

1233
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:42,359
either. Yeah. We talked about
the horror community at the Oscars not being

1234
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,640
much same as sci fi, you
know, so man I thought he looked

1235
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,359
familiar Bishop until he clicked on his
IMDb. He's literally just whalan himself in

1236
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:57,920
a VP. That just fucking blows
my mind. He's the one that blows.

1237
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:02,359
We'll say it, We'll say betray
a race. He drops that line

1238
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:08,359
on those movies. Yeah, wanted
to wear a double pupil contact lens for

1239
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:12,439
Bishop, but James Cameron said he
looked creepy enough. So you know,

1240
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,560
I don't know if you take that
as a coltman or not. But the

1241
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,279
life trick was originally going to be
done by Bishop accordion a Lance Hendrickson.

1242
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:21,199
He suggested James Cameron have Hudson hand
on top of his, to which Cameron

1243
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:26,920
agreed. As Hendrickson felt the scene
needed something extra. This change was discussed

1244
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,119
with almost everyone except Bill Paxton.
Hendrickson also remembers a long night of drinking

1245
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:35,640
after shooting the scene, followed by
a reshoot of the scene as it looked

1246
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:40,720
too fake. When they sped up
the footage, he accidentally caught Packson's pinky

1247
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,359
on the knife for the reshoot,
So I guess they did it, and

1248
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,720
they sped it up and then they're
like, no, this doesn't look good.

1249
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,760
You gotta go back there Bill and
do it again. And then that's

1250
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,279
the one where they used a real
knife. Yeah, they didn't use a

1251
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:56,359
prop. Wow, that's all them
and they did this after some drinking too,

1252
01:18:56,399 --> 01:19:00,640
So I guess I just got pill. I have to imagine, Yeah,

1253
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,359
there's no way that you sign.
Yeah there's yeah, you'd have to

1254
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:06,640
sign a waiver. That was real. That was Bill's real reaction in that

1255
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:14,600
scene. Pretty funny man. Yeah. Uh, guess I mentioned before that

1256
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:16,600
she didn't really want to come back
for a sequel yet did so. I

1257
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,079
said in that trivia she had several
notes when reading the script even though she

1258
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:23,720
really liked it, and James Cameron
kind of took all the notes and let

1259
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,640
her like, if Ripley felt like
she, if Singley felt Ripple should responded

1260
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,600
like this, camera would go with
her. So it sounds like, well,

1261
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,479
yeah, of course they cut that. But honestly, she's an avatar,

1262
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,479
so it seems like they had a
good working relationship all these years.

1263
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,319
Uh. The alien nest set was
kept intact after filming. It was later

1264
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,800
uses Axis chemicals for Batman eighty nine. When the Batman crew first ended the

1265
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,880
set, they found most of the
alien nests still intact, so that alien

1266
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,079
set ended up being for the first
Batman. So it's pretty cool. And

1267
01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:55,720
that's where they store that is it
just like a warehouse it's a lot.

1268
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,199
Yeah, I'm like, probably just
a law. It could have been on

1269
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:00,760
Pine, which we'll talk about here
in a bit because I've a long trivia

1270
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:06,560
come up about how some people hated
James Cameron. Let's see. Oh yeah,

1271
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:11,760
So when Fox saw an early cut
of film, they complained to producer

1272
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,880
Gail Annhurt, who was Cameron's wife
at the time, it looked like the

1273
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,560
money had all been spent on sets
rather than special effects. Heard took great

1274
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,520
delight in telling the execs that the
majority of the sets that they were seeing

1275
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:27,680
and complaining about or just miniatures or
optical effects akay special effects. The artists

1276
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,279
behind the images were very pleased to
hear the story. So I guess these

1277
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:33,279
got these notes back, like,
you guys spent all this money, where

1278
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:38,000
is it like? OHI building all
these sets and lost of them weren't sets.

1279
01:20:38,039 --> 01:20:41,119
They were just you know, miniatures. So yeah, we talked about

1280
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:45,760
the director cut in the deleted scenes. James ramar our favorite, the man

1281
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,880
who played Henry Morgan from Dexter,
was originally going to play Hicks, and

1282
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:55,039
Michael Bean uh yeah, replaced him. A few days after principal photography had

1283
01:20:55,079 --> 01:21:00,399
begun. The often given reasons Ramar
was moved due to a artistic difference between

1284
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,680
Remar and Jans Cameron, but in
an episode of a podcast, he states

1285
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,439
that he was fired from the production
because he was busted for his possession of

1286
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,760
drugs. He said he was a
period of life where he has developed a

1287
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,079
terrible drug problem, and mar still
appears in the finish film. He is

1288
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:17,279
seen in one shot when the Marines
enter the alien's nest because he is behind

1289
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:21,000
them wearing the same armor as Michael
Bean. So if they didn't find his

1290
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:25,319
drugs, we would add, maybe
Michael Bean would here. He played a

1291
01:21:25,359 --> 01:21:29,640
great android. Actually I think he. I think so too. Yeah,

1292
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,960
I was referring this earlier doing he
talking about all those fluids. Lance Henderson

1293
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,760
caught a dose a bad food poisoning
from the milk and yogurt combination that he

1294
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,479
had to spew from his chest that
was pierced by the alien queen. Having

1295
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,600
a lack pose combination sitting around hot
studio lights created a bacterial breeding ground.

1296
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,640
It started to smell so bad after
three days feeling most of the crew members

1297
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:54,960
got hesitant to even go near Hendrickson. In contrast to the crew, they

1298
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,439
opted to not use milk in the
first one for Ash's death, So that's

1299
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,880
why the like the milk giogurt combo
this time really fucked them over. And

1300
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,960
this was the role that convinced him
to continue acting after going through that.

1301
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,399
Yeah, as they and as I
guess, yeah, they realized I was

1302
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,960
sorry. It was the other way
around. They used what is this as

1303
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,720
they recognize a fluid made of the
milk would go sour. So I guess

1304
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,800
the first one they didn't use milk, but they made a mistake this time

1305
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,640
to use milk and yogurt. And
yeah, poor Lance, I guess he

1306
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,159
didn't complain the whole time. He
sat there and took it. But yeah,

1307
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,319
I guess he got very sick.
I guess he got very sick.

1308
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,640
Keep filing. Yeah, the full
queen sized puppet was actually too big to

1309
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,199
fit in the elevator for that shot. Her tail was removed and the back

1310
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:40,600
of the over back of the elevator
still to be open to accommodate the prop.

1311
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,640
The smoke beds start lighting, so
I guess to just get that queen

1312
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,880
in there was just like a pain
in the fucking that bothers me because in

1313
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,479
the movie, you can see her. The end of her tail is missing,

1314
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,279
yes, down there and that bothers
me. Well, they just say

1315
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:55,840
she lost it, you know.
And finally, the last trivia note here

1316
01:22:56,039 --> 01:23:00,680
is there was a lot of amute
animosity between to set, a British crew

1317
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,359
and both James Cameron and Gail and
Herd again his wife at the time producer.

1318
01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:09,880
Neither of them had been experienced working
with a British stud a studio or

1319
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,880
British crew. In the crew's eyes, Cameron was still relatively untried director as

1320
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,399
the terminator had bombed in the box
office in specifically the UK, not like

1321
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,800
in general, just UK, which
remember, many crew members hadn't seen.

1322
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:26,800
They allegedly mocked her by suggesting she
only got to be the producer because she

1323
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,560
was married to Cameron. They allegedly
wouldn't take orders from a woman, though

1324
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,279
this was more likely due to her
being American. On both her and Cameron

1325
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:38,520
had no understanding of respect the British
way. Yet Da Da Da the crew

1326
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,199
saw Cameron heard his inexperience overly demanding, arrogant, and in turn, Cameron

1327
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:46,520
heard saw the crew as lazy,
insult and arrogant. One of the few

1328
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:53,000
allies production Peter Lamont. After oh, I skip that, they just talked

1329
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,039
about there's one guy and the crew
that got along with Cameron and he came

1330
01:23:56,079 --> 01:23:58,960
back for like Titanic and stuff,
so that all worked out for him.

1331
01:23:59,359 --> 01:24:02,000
After a law difficult shoot, Cameron
addressed the crew by saying one thing that

1332
01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:05,159
kept on going through it all the
certain knowledge that one day I would drive

1333
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:09,479
out of Pinewood and never come back, and you storry, bastards will still

1334
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,760
be here. So I guess it
was just like really sounded like a day

1335
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,920
at the office to make this movie
for you had Cameron's crew and he had

1336
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,199
the British crew, and it did
sound like they all fucking hated each other

1337
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:26,199
the whole time they were there,
except for the wonder your cohort's Kirkland.

1338
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:31,000
That's sorry, bastards are gonna still
be Yeah, exactly so. But like

1339
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:33,319
I said, if if you're interested
in this movie, go look. There's

1340
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:38,159
just tons of it in there.
And yeah, they even I tried to

1341
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,039
look for it. But even director, it sound like Cameron was their guy

1342
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:43,239
for pretty much most of it.
They were gonna wait for him to finished

1343
01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:45,359
Terminator. They just like the way
he worked and end up like he made

1344
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,159
Avatar with them, he made he
was with Fox with the majority of his

1345
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:51,600
career, so whatever it was,
they just liked his pitch and his style

1346
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:56,199
and whatever we think about movies.
It's like, oh see they were proven

1347
01:24:56,239 --> 01:25:00,159
KAMAI. They were smart there.
But yeah, Dylan, what are you

1348
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:13,119
given this one? I'm gonna drop
a four failing for me? You know.

1349
01:25:13,159 --> 01:25:14,840
I think at the top I said
I hate it. I think I

1350
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,560
more just feel very little about it, maybe more uh just just nothing than

1351
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,600
hatred. But there's also very little
that I actually like about this one.

1352
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,199
So that's where it's uh not climbing
over the five finish line there, Okay,

1353
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:35,880
kirkhan Patzer, I thought it would
be like a solid seven on this

1354
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,239
one. I think it's Uh.
I definitely sound a lot more negative in

1355
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:44,319
the first part. I think it's
just because it's such a significant drop off

1356
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:47,720
for me from the first one.
But I think I'm gonna boot it up

1357
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,119
to actually seven and a half here, I don't know, just talking about

1358
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:58,239
some some certain a pone moments,
and like the back half I think is

1359
01:25:58,399 --> 01:26:00,399
much stronger than the first half,
and specifically like the third act. I

1360
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,800
really really like the third act with
the chase scene and having Ripley pop off

1361
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,079
not only going in there with the
flamethrower to save Newt, but also with

1362
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:15,560
like the big mech to just manhandle
the fucking throw that queen out of there,

1363
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:19,479
and yeah, just another's you know, more floating off into space,

1364
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:24,680
just like the last film. So
I yeah, I like aspects of it,

1365
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,600
but I'm yeah, I just I'm
still just like Ripley, why do

1366
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,840
you have to go back there?
Like it's just it doesn't make sense to

1367
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,239
me. But I don't know,
that's the world we got. So seven

1368
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:39,880
and a half for Aliens, we'll
see. I have a slight feeling we're

1369
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,119
gonna just keep going down with my
ratings as this goes along until we had

1370
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:46,720
AVP and it's gonna be a little
ass right, and I think it's gonna

1371
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,880
go down and we're gonna have some
fun. But yeah, I'll give this

1372
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:53,039
an eight. I think that I
obviously don't love as much as the first

1373
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:55,560
one. I think there's a lot
of filmmaking stuff that I just very much

1374
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,800
appreciate it, and I still have
a good time with this. There's still

1375
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,439
some sequins in the air that are
very, very well done in like all

1376
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,000
timers, especially that third act there. I think there's multiple moments in there

1377
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:08,119
that are just okay, Bravoh,
you guys really took it home here.

1378
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:10,600
But I also have some issues with
the movie. But yeah, I'm an

1379
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,840
eight ten on this one. Tear
Field, what are what's your score for

1380
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,800
this one? This is an easy
tent out of ten for me. This

1381
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,840
movie is fantastic. It is.
It was just fuck, it's so good.

1382
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,239
It is so good. I'll always
recommend this one all the time.

1383
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:29,119
Uh. It's so many iconic lines, so many wonderful action sequences. It's

1384
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:31,880
great. I forgot to mention too. There's a line here where they they're

1385
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:38,319
talking about these colonists and colonist daughters, and they mentioned Octurians, and there

1386
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:44,920
is no actual revelation of what octurians
are. People speculate that it's actually because

1387
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:48,039
the one Frost says it doesn't matter
of male or female, So people think

1388
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:51,800
it's either a human colony that's just
like their gender fluid or and other people

1389
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,760
say no, it's actually another humanoid
aliens that are descendants of like the space

1390
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,880
Jockey engineers. But there's there's no
there's no other mention of it or anything

1391
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,840
like that. But that's where James
Cameron's kind of like adding more to the

1392
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:09,000
universe here a little bit. But
you also see too, like Hudson saying,

1393
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,600
oh, like another bug hunt or
is this like uh whatever? But

1394
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,600
there are aliens that exist, but
this is like the first kind of like

1395
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,000
life form, life form that's new
to them. But anyways, I take

1396
01:28:19,039 --> 01:28:24,479
crass this This movie is fucking fantastic
and I'm really really excited. I started

1397
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,600
Alien three, and halfway through it, I'm really excited to hear what you

1398
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,159
guys have to say about it,
because it's it should be a good talk

1399
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,840
nice and there you go. That's
your tea's for the next episode, Aliens

1400
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:42,319
Alien three. Does that subtitle just
Alien three and three? I no Resurrection

1401
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,520
four? On the cover just says
because it's Alien three, and then says

1402
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,159
three times the suspense, three times
the danger, three times the terror.

1403
01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:53,039
Oh I know, there you go. It would be better if you didn't

1404
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:55,800
have like eighteen million aliens in this
one, because they like, oh,

1405
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,119
there's three of them this time.
But yeah, but yeah, we will

1406
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:01,560
talk about that movie be in the
next episode. Thank you very much for

1407
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:08,840
tuning in. And your rose.
Next, you'll not be boring. Mm hmm