Core Memory of Mine. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to not
the Core Memory cast, but the Alien Retrospective, the second film in the
franchise. We're also doing video games com books for the second Alien retro Aliens.
I'm the clown Prince of Spray and Dress. Now I'm joined by I'm
your Sarge, kurricklen Patzer. Hey, I'm Dylan hus I am the forty
two million in adjusted dollars Taylor Field. It's minus Paylottle of course, very
good. Uh So, yeah, we're here, as we've said before,
in honor of Alien Ramless coming out in August, which we of course will
be reviewing. We are going to review every single Alien movie, even because
the only one we'd ever reviewed was like Covenant, but it's been over five
years and I think it's not the freshest in our minds. So we're reviewing
everyone. And then on Sidequest you're gonna get an Alien Isolation review, and
then we're also going to be reviewing the Alien vers Versus Avengers slash Predator Versus
Wolverine Slash. Since this retro started a new comic book, Predator Versus Black
Panther, which is gonna be fun seeing Predator Land and Wacana. That's gonna
be a good time. So we've always talked about them, so let's do
an episode, and then we will also be reviewing the a vps as well
to close off the Predator franchise as well. So lots stuff and you can
go back in the feed. The Predator reviews are there, so if you're
curious, they are around. Because the Predator's got two films in the work
too, so they're making a good comeback here. So that's why we're doing
this. If you like this, if you want more, if you're listening
to this, probably the week of whenever it drops, there's likely at least
a few other Alien retros, so go do that because on episodes, sorry,
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of good shows on there that are just exclusive, but things like this you
could have been listening to maybe months ago, and yeah, you get to
call them after nine vote on polls. Lots of good stuff like that.
So yes, aliens, let's lead off with mister Dylan, do you what
do you think of this fallow up? Directed by the billion Dollar Boy James
Cameron mister Navi himself, you know, passing from one Big Drugs. An
actual nickname of his it should be is three billion dollar films Titanic, Avatar
one, Avatar two, this one. So no, not this one.
No, I didn't. I didn't quite hit the threshold yet, but it's
still a wild title to have, respect, Billy billion dollar boy. Yeah.
Yeah, and you gotta think about nine billion Avatar one, biggest move
of all time, Avatar two, third biggest moe all time, like and
adjusted dollars to not even including Kles, My god, I think it just
for inflation. I think Gone with the Wind is the biggest movie of all
time. That's insane, Yeah, just because the mount of Pile saw it.
But Dylan, did this meet your threshold? Yeah? So this,
I will say going through these alien movies, because as if we talked about
an episode one, we kind of talked through our history of them. They
really are all kind of a blur to me, Like these original four I
don't even know if you call it the originals, but the first like four,
I suppose they really all blend together for me. And so going into
this it does feel like I'm going in blind to some extent I'm remembering certain
scenes or maybe a couple of characters here there, But for the most part,
it's like I feel like I've never seen this movie before last week,
even though I clearly have before. I kind of hate this movie. I
think it sucks. Oh. I did not enjoy this almost at all.
Like I think the part I did enjoy was the very ending sequence with the
Big Mama, just because that sequence was hilarious and like over the top.
But for the most part, yeah, I just don't think this had any
suspense to it. I don't think there's like really any artistry to the making
of this in the way that I feel like there is for the first one.
The characters, I think there's one other character that I like, and
of course Ripley is always great, but only one other character that I actually
enjoyed, and everyone else is either just annoying or such a kind of stereotypical
character that has like just one kind of personality trait. And yeah, like
I don't the horror vibes and the suspense the tension that is so good in
the first one, like this just doesn't really have any of that to me.
And also none of the action is like particularly that good. So yeah,
I don't know what my expectation was for this, but I really had
an awful time with this, And you know, I think I might just
be a James Cameron hater honestly, Like I haven't seen Titanic since I was
a kid, so it's been a long time. But you know, I'm
a I'm a known Avatar hater and uh yeah, I guess, I guess
I'm just not a fan of his filmmaking, even though he's a billion dollar
boy, so toes that yet, right, so it's true that that that's
uh one, I I don't know that came out so close to this.
I feel like this's gonna be stylistically very similar. Yeah, in a way,
it's funny. They have a similar way where Terminator one is more of
a horror movie and Terminator two is the action movie, but he did them
both, which is kind of funny. Right, Okay, interesting, All
right, mister Pats, where are you on this? Now? We're starting
a wild rocket paths or yeah, I'll go I'll go kind of in the
muck with a long Dylan. Maybe I think this is a major major step
down from the first movie. Oh don't I don't hate this movie, but
I just think, like, you know, if you tune into our first
episode, like I fucking love that first and movie. I think it's just
so special. I think you could feel my passion in that when I was
giving my thoughts on there, like I just I love every aspect of that
movie. And I really dislike portions of this movie. I think it gets
better as we go along with the acts. I hate the first act of
this movie. I it had been some time since I revisited Aliens, but
like watching it now, like I like, I was like, man,
this is really bad, and I was like, oh fuck, what are
we doing here? Like like I'm really not liking this. Obviously we'll go
into more details when we get there, but yeah, I really don't like
the first act. It's more so just like in my opinion of very lazy
way of just getting our hero are harrowing back to the to the Aliens,
and I just I just had to accept it because it's just like I don't
like the reasoning and that's just how we get Ripley to the Aliens. So
that's what we're doing. I think the second act is better, it's you
know, it's more action packed, but I still think it's a little bit
weak, which is certain characters really just going off the rails. And then
the third act I quite like. I think it's really strong. It's mostly
just because we kind of kill off a lot of the fluff and we just
get to Ripley with a weapon trying to save you know, a young Newt
and it's just like, fuck, yeah, let's do this. So I
do really like the third act. But yeah, it was just really unfortunate
because I've seen this movie quite a few times, but it's been probably close
to a decade since i've seen it, so I didn't remember a lot of
the main details. I knew it was more of an action movie. I
think last time i'd seen it, maybe it was like on TV, so
I didn't see like the early portions. So I think that's why the first
act was so just kind of shocking to me for for what it was.
I just I don't know. I I'm like, yeah, I know she
kind of gets back there somehow, but I don't really know the reasoning,
and it just it just seemed wild to me, and I don't know,
maybe you guys feel differently. I'm excited to hear your guys h takes dealing
but Taylor and Travis, Yeah, but uh yeah, I know I was
bummed because I I know, I don't really remember three and four like at
all. I'm curious if I've even seen those movies actually, now that I
think about it, But I haven't heard super positive things at least on on
those ones, especially for I think so is that Resurrection, which one is
pretty Nay, they're both okay, yeah, so I'm gonna have to do
the whole fucking chest strap like a spaceship for those ones. But yeah,
ABP, so you guys like ship movies. I love a VP. But
again, that's another one I have revisited in a while, so I'm interested
in seeing that. But nostalgia is so powerful. So I hate when we
make us do this though, and he has to watch things from Kid and
then he's like, man, this was actually bad and it's about to happen
because I didn't watch Flobber. I think there it's like was there between the
two? The second one was like the Strass Brothers. I don't know what
else they've done. The one the guy that did the Resident Evil movies,
like not the way like here like I would know these first three directors Ridley
Scott, James Cameron, David Fincher, like three Kremda Cramm, Cure.
It's interesting, okay, and he kind of directed It's a whole it's a
whole thing. But he's removed it from his memory. Yes, it's still
heavy. Removed it from his IMDb page. That's no. I think it's
so he doesn't have the power. That's where truth flies for me in the
movie industry. But that's one thing at least like not to like do a
fucking alien Ramos preview, but at least with Fetti. I'm not saying he
is on that level of that, but at least to me, it's like
a name that's like, Okay, that's a good pick. Yeah, it's
not like a higher gun where it's like and again I shouldn't say that,
right because James Cameron, he's coming off Terminator, which is hailed as like
classic sci fi movie, but it underperformed, It didn't do the greatest that
was Ridley Scott was still young his career, so these guys weren't the legends
they were either yet, right, So I'll actually take that back because they
probably were thinking, oh, this guy do an AVP. He could be
the next James Cameron and he wasn't. But these guys weren't them back then,
So I'll walk that back of it. Actually, so yeah, I'll
uh yeah, I think just final thoughts, I well, not final thoughts
in the movie, just just my little warm up walk off. But just
I think I sound very negative, and I think it's mostly just because it's
such a drop off in my opinion from what the quality of the first movie
is. Because the first movie is just it's one hundred out of one hundred,
like it is just so it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
So jumping from that to this not not not a major fan, but
yeah, let's go pass the torch there, all right, I'll go because
I feel like we're going like an incline of like worst to bad to better
and stuff, so I still can give a breath of fresh air. I
still think this is a great movie. I think it is very well made.
I it is what everyone says, the first one's a horror one.
This is an action one. I will say, it's like not for me
in the same ballpark as the first one. I do like the characters.
Ripley, Yeah, she just always delivers. I do really like the combination
of her a new together. I agree, we'll get to the first act.
I have lots of issues with that. For me, I'm just actually
not I'm I'm fine with them doing the more action route, per se,
like I'm always gonna like the horror route better, so it's never gonna probably
one up in and that's what I'm happy if. Rom This looks looking like
it's a bit more of that. But I think for me, I just
don't like it sounds stupid, but I just don't like how many aliens there
are in this movie. And I hate when the first one, I feel
like they make it such a tank, such an unstoppable force, where in
this one they're just getting like a shotgun to the head and as over for
the Xenomorph and I'm like, really like to me, And granted, in
the first movie, there's not a bunch of guns, right, so I
get why someone say, hey, Travis, we're doing this because they didn't
use guns against them. This is what happens. But to me, just
the way that fear that you have an alien goes away for the most part,
I think until yeah, when the Queen pops off, because the Queen's
very well designed and it's massive, so it's like of course, But I
think there's some great suffects in here. I think they still do a great
job with just the look of the aliens and the movements and the suits and
all the choreography with them. But yeah, I just don't I'm not a
fan of I know that's good for I think like the video games that have
like you versus a bunch of aliens, But in the movies when there's just
so many popping out and they're just dying very easy, I quickly lose the
fear that I want to have for the alien. So that's kind of my
thing there. Yeah, the action genre is not exactly my like top tier
one, and I just don't love. I love certain things they do with
the alien as far as like the breeding and how it works. And yet
I actually really like the play on the replicant or no, that's a different
really Scott movie. What the fuck they call him android? The Android?
Yeah, I love that because it's a great kind of like jug with the
first one. I Ripley has this terrible experience. So I think they do
some good allusions to the first one. I also think too, along with
the first act, the whole reveal of what we're doing here is identical to
the first one, and it just feels kind of lazy, especially because the
first act the kind of set you up for a no, we're not doing
that this time, like it's something else, and then the whole big reveals,
Oh no, we're doing these act same things. So plot wise,
it's definitely uh, leaves a lot for me to be desired, But overall,
I still quite enjoyed the movie. I think there's some good set pieces,
and sing Glory were just always kills it. She brings it, so
yeah, more positive than these guys, but definitely like it's not like because
I know some people go back and forth of oh, like I could do
that with Terminator, where I have a tough time deciding between T one and
T two because they have both very different things, where this one they are
both Harold is classics, but I don't have a tough time picking between the
two. But there's tons of people that love this over Alien, Like I
feel like I bump into more people that love Aliens than Alien because it's just
has that high octange pace scene is way different, right, people that like
more the fast pace, that would make sense. Yeah, and IMDb they're
both in the top like two fifty movies of all time. Like it's a
both these movies are loved quite a bit. But yeah, I'm still the
Alily camp but still enjoyed this so uh, tear Field Take it Away Aliens
for me is it takes the cake. I absolutely love this movie so much.
I think it is just a riveting throw ride. I can agree that
there is not much to connect with in terms of the characters here aside from
Ripley and Newt. Just the soldiers, the grunts that they are what they
are, but I just love that they're just They're thrown into here just to
be getting killed off fighting the Aliens. It's just it's exciting. And I
love how this movie really expands upon the universe of Alien and we get to
see so much more technology and the ships and everything like that. Special effects
for this time were fantastic with what they were doing here, which is really
really cool. And I think that if I remember correctly, when I was
first introduced to Alim, when I got through the first Ailene movie and I
was jumping to this one, and again I was young, young, so
this was really just exciting because it was just more action packed. It wasn't
so horror vibes necessarily. Well, there was some scary stuff. It was
definitely really neat just to kind of have this change of pace. And the
first version of this movie that I saw was a special edition, and I
never knew that there was a different version of that. So we went to
our local video store and we picked it up. That's the version that they
had, and so I did not know this movie without the stuff so those
scenes. So when I eventually watched this movie a little bit later, I
thought, oh, this is weird, Like I wasn't there a scene with
Ripley and her daughter and all this other stuff like extra action sequences and whatnot.
This is kind of weird. So then that's when I realized, Okay,
they have two separate versions, and so I will as best as I
can, only watch the special edition. But for this I watched both of
them, the edited or the non specialty original. Yeah. Yeah, just
cletely wrong, not even just from the day one of filming to the end,
just yeah, all cuts. But yeah, so I watched I watched
both Films Special Lisition non special Edition, because I just really wanted to just
see the comparisons between the two, and I love that special edition one so
much. I feel like you get that one scene just justifies so much more
of this relationship between Newton and Ripley. Getting to see the the opening two
of Just four and the bass and like the the terraformers on there and the
kids playing around, It's meant all these like you just really immediately feel the
way like they all die, like these kids playing around, all get chess
bursters going on. It's just brutal. Think about that, even though you
don't see it in retrospect, getting the yeah, the Newts family too,
and seeing that dynamic. I really like that when I went to explore the
ship, and then especially like the turret scene. I love that you don't
you don't see the aliens at all, but you you hear it. You
feel the tension of them watching this number tick down lower and lower, and
you hear them smashing on the pressure doors. It's just such a great way
to deliver it a tense moment without actually showing your your be all and all
villains, your your bad guys, your monsters, so I really appreciate how
they did that, and it sucks that it was cut. The other scene
too, I wanted to shout up that I really liked was just when they're
in the lab and this is another cut scene from that was in the special
edition, when they're trying to talk like, well, maybe it's something we
haven't seen yet, like who's laying the eggs and oh god not Hicks.
Hudson is talking about, oh, maybe like ants and you know, maybe
they got like a queen or something like that. So there's lots of cool
things that they set up, and it's just such a it's such a great
freaking movie. This is easily one. I think it's in my top ten
movies of all time. So it's it's so good, so good, And
as I said, I'd put it over the first one because it's just so
many things right for me, Yeah, I feel haven't seen because well I
don't know I'm starting with this, but Taor brought up, so I'm gonna
go there. The scene one of the scenes you're talking about with Ripley,
you know, discovering that she missed like the passing of her daughter and everything
like that, that was actually one of the scenes, specifically that, like
Sidney Coourney, Weaver agreed to come back because she read the script and she
cited that as like one of the reasons. She's like, Oh, I
really like this storyline and this function, and then she's really disappointed that they
cut it. They fought hard, but they had to shorten the movie,
and that's the one that got there. But I agree, I like those
other scenes. You point out that the one to me is really key,
especially I still the regular movie can buy, and I think I'm completely like,
I get why Ripley wants to protect Newton. I buy they have good
chemistry, you know, a mother daughter sort of a vibe, but I
think that would have added even kind of a bit more layers onto it.
So it sucks that. Yeah, that's one of my trivia that she didn't
really want to come back at first because she's like, it's a class like,
I don't want to ruin Yetada. But she read the script, she
liked it, and then she really liked the relationship with Newt and her and
then everything around that to deal with just the themes. But yeah, they
had to cut it. But as Tayo said, it is in the special
editions now, so it's sometimes it's on there, sometimes it's not. So
and you also, uh oh, Amanda Ripley. So the daughter there,
I think a school that that's just that character that was established there in this
special edition scene, never touched upon again in any other format until we get
to Alien Isolation and they build this game around this character, which I thought
was cool. Iretygot about that. Yeah. Also, the few photos they
use of her daughter is actually played by Singourney Weaver's mother, so that's yeah,
the face looked incredibly similar, so I thought they were doing something weird
photoshop thing there, but that's that's a fun fact. Yeah, so I
think that's really kind of fun of like the mother playing her daughter's daughter.
Like there's some fun kind of ton fuckery there. But yeah, let's let's
get in this opening act. So we we meet Singourney Ripley, you know,
it's her, and I forgot the fucking cat's name. What is the
cat's name again? Joan, Joan, Joan. So yeah, they they
open up for the PA, you know, of course, and Gorney is
very you know, concern to kiss what's going on. There's a couple of
dream sequences here, but they also just reveal, hete you've been asleep for
over fifty years. Uh, there's a few things that have changed. Uh.
She does kind of a mini trial or interview about what happened. Uh,
they refuse to believe her story, even though I don't know. A
couple of days later, she gets sent on a mission with said issue.
Yeah, I ap so I don't like, I don't know where we want
to stop, like the beginning. Maybe it's just when she gets on the
ship, but absolutely hate the whole. I like her being in sleep for
fifty years. That's good missing out a lot, It's like, because that
is crazy, right if you're just floating in space and you get lost like
man like, that's it like for you just gotta hope someone finds you.
That's what happens. So I like that setup, but I do not enjoy
the setup of how they get back. And it just it's odd that it
goes from them shutting her down so hard to they're sending her on a mission
because she's experienced with these things. So to me, it's just just like
it's it's it's a magnet pushing against each other. But it's not their choice,
right, I think this mission was spearheaded by Burke. And there again
there's a lot of convoluted kind of back stuff going on here with who involved
is really aware of this and like the the main guy leading that meeting,
I don't think he really believed at all. I think you have to no,
really didn't believe at all. But Burke was the one who planned the
Colonial Marines to go in, and probably a couple of their backers like,
hey, if there is something, and Burke's the one who put the order
into right for them to go check it out. I get it. Just
to me, it's it's so weird to have these two government entities where some
guy is completely oblivious and then the other guy, which I know could happen,
but with this situation, there could be something that puts it at risk.
And then the like the reveal is that they're there to capture these things
as weapons, so they for sure know they're there. I think it's just
the pacing. I don't even know if it's needed to have some character go
to Sigourney and tell our oh, you're wrong and that didn't happen. We
don't believe. You just have a recounting of the events and then Paul Riser
decides, Oh, hey, because she went through this, she's the perfect
person. It's just I think it's it's a very odd start to have a
committee tell her she's an idiot and then yeah, like Rias, it's five
minutes later, No, we need you because your expertise are this thing.
So it's it's odd. It just doesn't make sense to me, the pacing
of it in the story. I think it's also just like I love Sigourney
Weaver. Obviously in this franchise, she's fantastic. I wouldn't I wouldn't take
her out of it, But like, why does Ripley have to go back?
Like what is she providing? They say she's an advisor, but like
really what is Like it just doesn't make sense to me, Like the logistics
of why this one person has to be the one that goes there, Like
like they shoot her down so hard and they're like needing her to go in
this mission. I never was. I mean, she's the only one who
has experienced with this threat. But like they're sending soldiers to just pop off
on these aliens and that's that, Like they don't in my opinion, they
don't need to have Ripley that was just like a vic. It's not like
she was like a scientist that like knows exactly how they work. She was
just someone that witnessed and survived these Zeno morphs. But I mean, I
feel like there's enough mystery around because they don't even really know what's going They're
just like, oh, we lost communication with the base and we don't really
know what's going on. So there's enough of a mystery to it where it's
not like they just have like a bunch of scanners that are like, oh,
yeah, here's our threat. Here's what they're doing. They're walking around,
Okay, we can go in and face them. Like it's it's a
complete question mark at that point in time when they send them in what they're
gonna be going up against. So I to me, I guess I don't
really I I don't really enjoy the first act because I don't really like any
of this movie. But I guess I don't have as much issue with like
the actual plot of it as you guys do. But you guys are implying
though, that the same committee that basically crapped on her and sent her out
are the ones that are like, hey, you gotta go back in there.
But that's not the case. No, that's what I'm saying. It's
just it's weird to having that. It's just like, what is the point
of having this committee scene where they have to take her down and say they
don't believe her yet to the what is the point of that? What does
that contribute to the rest of the story when right away she gets recruited because
I'm yeah, I'm with you on that where I'm father being recruited because it's
like, Okay, we don't know anything. She's at least been around things,
let's get her along. But like, why do we need to have
this community at all? Go oh, well, you know, your story
just doesn't sound like it all matches, and like what does that serve the
greater purpose here? Well, that's that's just the political portion of this company.
Like they lost this I joked about it, but forty two million,
Like they lost this whole ship, and that she is the result of this
and she just made has a story and they have no evidence to support the
story. So they had this political fallout here that they had to go through,
and then five meters from them that has information that could back her up.
Yes, but that's where that's that's where I think you run into this
thing with the first movie where wherever whoever, she's re reiterating it again in
this scene too, like they went to this plan on company orders to actually
go in and investigate this signal. So there's certain people involved in this company,
in certain positions that we don't know about, that are willing to supersede
these orders or go behind the companies back to either for the their own gains
or for the gains of the company itself. While most people in the political
scene don't know that. These people in this conference room, they obviously were
not part of that. But Burke was this person who saw this opportunity capitalized
it, and we see him like he's talking about they're going to come out
as heroes, make money and everything like that. So this is just one
of those greedy individuals that pieced everything together. So I don't put it as
like this the committee kind of like casting around and then hiring her, having
the guy like like for Burke to keep it a secret from them. I
totally believe it because like, why share that, you know he thinks he
can go in with the Marines, he can come out and just like easily
pull this off, and he probably he overestimated for sure, he didn't think
it was going to be as bad as this turned out, Right, Yeah,
I guess I just don't see a purpose of why it's there. I
just don't know what adds anything. You know, you could have the same
thing where if she wakes up in this guy's to say there's something going on,
I need you. You have experience with it, you're into the movie
done. I know I'm with you, because like, yeah, I don't.
I think that skepticism makes a lot of sense from the character perspective,
but I don't think it's very compelling. So I don't really know why they
chose to go down that road other than just like corporation bad and kind of
like trying to have that and the corporation is bad at the end of the
movie again too, right, It's not like, oh they're they turned a
corn fifty series, the whole series of the bad guys. And I also
feel like with them sending her in, like they don't give a shit about
her. If she dies on the session, they could not care less.
So I feel like that's another reason of like, oh, this is like
a bonus free soldier for us pretty much that. I mean, maybe they
say they'll pay her, but if she just dies then they don't have to
prepare her. So that also makes sense. Yeah, I just send her
out there, and he does kind of insinuate that, yeah, she's not
maybe having the best jobs, so maybe you can pick up that maybe she's
getting stuff that's not like the best type of pay or pay that's going to
put you for. Plus, it's like, yeah, I don't know what
the economy slash dynamic is if you were to go missing for fifty years and
then come back, Like, I don't know how that works. I actually
liked more diving into that so I could believe, like, hey, I'm
gonna do this maybe scary job because it could get me a few more zeros.
At the end of my bill, you know, yeah, I'm still
not convinced on like why she needs to go there. You guys make good
points, but for my I'm just still not there yet. I think also,
while I was watching it, I just was never able to like,
Okay, like maybe Ripley's just a fucking badass and she she is willing to
just go take on these xenomorphs. Again, if I'm that position and I
barely survive these xenomorphs, I don't care if I'm fucking scraping septic tanks.
You're not sending me back to get the xenomorphs. Like, there's no way
in hell I'm going back to that horror show that I barely escaped. I've
seeing chess bursers pop out, like yeah, and it's like, you know,
you're you're working the dogs. You could be working on a star freighter.
It's like, yeah, that sounds great, Okay, let's go,
let's go check all these I think it was a mixture of like the company's
reasoning to get her there and then her willingness to do it. I just
wasn't it was the combine. I wasn't able to fully get behind. While
I was watching it, I'm like, I feel like we could have got
a better and again in my opinion, better first act of like she wakes
up and instead of just being waken up way like away from the event of
the first movie, like maybe she gets picked up and like when she wakes
up, they're already going back to where it was and she's just kind of
like stuck in that situation that like the craft is going to that location and
she's kind of like PTSD, like no, don't take me back there,
and it is like she's just so erratic and they don't fully understand. That
was just the thoughts that was happening while I was watching it, because it
just wasn't able to fully get to that moment, and I think it was
just a bad way for me to like start this viewing experience because I just
I just couldn't buy that ticket and then now I'm just on the ride,
So it just set me up, I think, for a bad experience,
but or just like just force her to go because again, like another problem
I have, like again plot wise, because I like the adventure stuff.
I like the action stuff, so I think they hit on that those aspects
really well. But when they reveal that the plan again is just to get
these things back to base so we can experiment them and be weapons, it's
just like, well, that's literally the plot of the first one, and
we're doing it for the exact same reason. And they waste my time with
Paul Riser pretending to be Singourney's friend to just reveal, hey, we're fucking
you over again, and I guess the twist is the androids good this time,
but like it's pretty much the same thing. Sengory goes on a weaver
so fun. She goes on a mission with false pretenses with a bunch of
innocent people and one person who knows what's going on, and that Fox are
over. The only difference this time is it's non android and instead of whrrids
action, like it is like the same movie, and that's I just wish
Paul Riser was a good guy, and they just cause it them factoring in
for getting the whole weapons there and stuff. That's not a pall point.
It's not at any point. Sigourney looks up and there's a ship being loaded
up. She's like, oh shit, I gotta take that down. No,
it's just like a factor revealing, Oh, Paul Riiser's a shitty guy.
And okay, sure she's gonna like melt the eggs. But I believe
Ripley already even without them being like, hey the way then Corp is gonna
use these weapons. I believe she would destroy all these eggs if she had
the chance, like she would. So it's just again, there's just multiple
things where I just don't think that was needed because it doesn't addnything to this
movie. And then if not, it's just a repetition of the other one.
But it feels lesser than I guess I'm fine with those happening when it's
like, hey, this is the sixth movie in the franchise and it's like,
oh, it's a little some of the first one. When it's the
direct sequel and it's the same sort of plot, just more aliens, more
action, that for me is always disappointing of like, oh right, it's
just that. So again, I wish they just were shitting the whole way
through of Hey, we're gonna go get these as weapons we know you have
with this, you know, we found you. You're come with us,
sorry, like tough shit, you know, like you're what else, Like
Whalen has so much power, You're just gonna come with us. But no,
they do this whole like tricking her and he's they're calling each other in
the middle of night and all this stuff. It's just yeah, not just
patting. I don't need and so yeah, uh, Taylor, where where
in the movie is the scene with her discovering her daughter, like that that
scene is that like in the first ten minutes. Yeah, it's literally right
before she goes into her meeting. Yeah that's for sec Yeah you're frozen for
a second. Yeah was I frozen? Okay? Yeah? Really? Internet?
What is this question getting to? Internet? Did you have that show
box? Did they agree? No? Yeah, that's coming. I can't
see you. Maybe you're getting really fucking around those sales guys. Because one
one thing I found kind of interesting in something like not remembering every plot point
in this is the scene when she she wakes up and she finds out she
just cryogenically asleep for fifty seven year but then that's like a nightmare, and
then she she goes to sleep again. So I'm like, oh, okay,
with the time jump, just like a nightmare thing. But it's it's
weird that she had a nightmare about that time jump, but then that's actually
the time jump that actually happens at and maybe she's han't she just had these
nightmares before she's already found out this information. She's finding out again. I'm
not sure exactly how that works, but I was definitely a little confused for
a bit of like, Okay, has time actually passed? What's going on
here? I think something like that scene discovering something with her daughter like that
helps establish that time more so. It's interesting that that was kind of cut
and was to me a little bit confusing, and then it kind of came
into focus a bit when they were talking about, oh, like the terraformers,
they've been on the planet for twenty years. At this point, I'm
like, Okay, well, now we've made it for twenty years. We're
still not about fifty seven. But I don't know I can kind of put
together there's been like a pretty substantial time jump at the very least, But
yeah, I guess how do you guys feel about that choice from a story
perspective. I can't even recall like what the other movie to do in terms
of time jumps going forward. I was with you with a confusion. I
thought that the time jump was like a part of the dream sequence for a
moment because I'm just really not a fan of that moment, Like it's it's
seeming like they're just really gonna fuck with the audience here and just make them
think that, you know, she's got one in there, and I think
it just went on way too long because they're like filling us in on what's
happened between In like six minutes later, she like wakes up and it's like,
uh, I'm like, what's real and what's not? So I think
it just went on too long. I think it could have been done better.
I'm not a big fan of it in general, but I definitely think
it could have been shorter to make it cleaner in that sense. But yeah,
like I do like that we had a time jump, especially like the
reasons you guys are already listening and the scene that was cutted that Taylor was
mentioning. I think that's all great for just story purposes, especially when just
dealing with the the vastness of space, right, like Interstellar, like it's
an one that deals with that sort of thing. So without the loss of
the daughter, there isn't really a huge reason why you need no the time
jump at all. So I guess that's probably just one of those things that
snuck into the final movie, even with that scene cut. Yeah, that's
kind of interesting. It's like, I guess, just the terrorforming aspect,
right, But even that, like that could be like oh, she was
gone for a year and they started doing that or something like yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I still like the passes of time. I agree
there's not too much needed, but I just like that for a character beat.
I'm like, fuck, I lost a lot of time. But yeah,
I agree. The pacing of the dream it's a little it's a little
odd. You should get that and then cut and then going to the dream.
But maybe they're doing that just so you don't pick up that it's a
dream. But I think back in that time, it's not that like it
was a dream. Wasn't like a common plot device at times, right,
And I do like the actual nightmare where she's sleeping and then gets the chest
burster going out, because I think that would be the dream you would constantly
have, So I do enjoy that. That's something too that like like they
had it there, but I think that's something that they kind of missed out
on of just like the PTSD that Ripley is really facing and like it's kind
of non existent, like because she is just a pure badass that is just
teflon like like like all that fear from the first movie, it just seems
like she just doesn't affect her Like she's picking up that flamethrower, going after
Newt and just saving the day burn all the eggs and that's just the bad
ass that she is. But I think we kind of lose some of just
the human qualities that she has, where like because in the first movie she
isn't a superhero right like, like she's a badass mechanic and definitely has some
great traits, but nothing nothing where she gets to later on, And I
maybe just would have wanted more of that psychological effect that the Zeno morph and
just losing everyone on her ship, like she literally lost everyone, and just
the like realization that the company is just these like corrupt, evil entities that
are just trying to get the Zeno more for a weapon like that is so
much like mental strain on an individual just going through all that, and it
just it just seems like we're just jumping to another adventure, like like it's
just kind of separated. So yeah, it kind of bugged me in that
sense. I think you get to this she's tired of dealing with the bullshit,
and I think through this mother ves on this motherfucking shit. That's exactly
it. I think that you get this this sense, at least with her
character here where it starts off, she's going through all this trauma, and
she's going through little things that are kind of refirming her her strength, especially
with encountering Newt and Newt really being a heavy, heavy part in that because
they both are very trauma filled and they both kind of, with each other's
help kind of bounce back from that. And one scene that I really liked
is when they are in the hive and you see them finding the survivor and
she's like, it's in me, like kill me, and Ripley's like holding
her chest and she's feeling really just uncomfortable seeing this killer just kill her.
Come on, fuck, man, I see someone here. It's like,
no, no, no, I'll happily put a fucking bolt through your brain
if I see that going on. For you guys, don't worry, just
like I'll be back. Yeah. No, it's not a good situation.
Let me ask you this. I can't wait to talk about these characters at
something here. But you're down there, or we're all down there, and
then we get a call from high up head's head office like no firing,
you need to pull your MLTA home. I'm saying, fuck. But I
like it because it's an incompetent guy with no field experience saying this so it
fits. But the fair part about that is when like private Basque is and
whoever just like kept the begus just like lighting it up hence my name,
because like that's their only one that's a go down there, and their only
command is, hey, don't shoot and ask that to like big gun everywhere
like one of the let's raw like one thing, I'll go against your table
is like they did say, a good reason not to do that is because
like the acid blood right, I could get everywhere. So what's happening.
She's popping off and asses blood's getting everywhere. She accidentally shoots one of her
own guys, Like yeah, like to me, I was like I and
I actually did like that dynamic of that captain who is like this is his
like he's like rookie seconds. Yeah, yeah, like he's he's working his
way up right, this is like his first or second rodeo. So I
did like through as everything was going really bad. Oh excuse me, because
everything was going really bad. Just he was continually collapsing and collapsing and getting
words, and I do like that near the end he had like a like
a hero moment. He didn't turn into like a piece of shit. So
that's I enjoyed of, Like, it's not that he's the cowardice Benny type
from Mummy, it's just he's in way over his head and he doesn't know
what the fuck to do and he's trying his best, but he's still there
to like save the kid say that. So I appreciate that they didn't take
that rut of just oh yeah, generic slop guy who is will save his
own ass in the end. I like that. But yeah, that scene,
I think they were a terrible unit though. They didn't listen to him.
They didn't listen to him. They didn't listen to Ripley multiple times.
Just not good. It's like she has some information, you know, both
movies again, she gives him advice, they don't listen to it, and
then all the ship happens. So he was pretty impatient when they first found
Newt and he's like in Terror games like where are they where? It's like
I don't, Yeah, you know who this calf remind me of. I'm
shouting you out because I think you're the only one is gonna remember this battle
Los Angeles. The That's exactly exactly. This is like Outlast Charles all over
again. I've talked about Bally at Los Angeles, but Taylor is like a
big fan of it. Like, that's one of the movies I saw on
Imax. I saw an Imax my sister got. Yeah, I only saw
it because the square, yeah she got she turned to a fucking square.
Oh but no Weaver, but yeah, no, I only suck as a
dark knight air in that card. It's a good at least it was a
good movie. But the captain in that movie is like a very similar type
situation where it's like only a second field off and he's like the dynamic of
like an officer trying to like control like the soldiers streaming right now Battle Los
Angeles. An I got a DVD. I don't need that, but that
that whole line too though, you're right, Kirk, I totally agree with
that. And I love when they're in there and Ripley's like how many drops
is this for you, lieutenant? And like like what does he say?
Like thirty eight simulated? How many comment? Yeah, it's like second right,
it's executed on yeah, and you just know, oh, we're so
fucked but oh yeah no, not not anywhere streaming. So those characters,
they're all A lot of the stuff they say would not is not aged well
or appropriate in today's society by any means. But as kids, you ever
sticking from man No do you? I like that one? Yeah, but
yeah, a lot of the commentary that the soldiers had, and like again,
like Diyle mentioned, it's just like the stereotypical, big beefy like procenary
type. Kirklan, I know you're laughing when a Pone's like they're all waking
up that he's like every reels on panquet, every paycheck's a fortune. I
love the call like he's just he's just riding that guy. You gotta play
that audio when I'm getting ready for in the morning, waking up, make
that your alarm clock. Yeah, yeah, I know. I like majority
of those characters. I don't think there's anything great, but I think they
fit there, other than Bill Paxon, who's like a standout I like,
Yeah, I like Michael Bean. But it's funny that Michael Bean Hicks is
like he's such a big character in Terminator. I don't think for the character
ends up being in this if like the second in command and maybe a semi
love interest to Ripley. It's like they really give him not much. But
yeah, shout out to Bill Packs who was a James Cameron favorite, unfortunately
making the avatarboies. But man, like, he's just so fucking good in
this. He's so good. Terminator is so good true lies like Bill Paxon.
It's just like for character actors. I know he led some stuff like
Twisters, but character actors, he's a top ten or man and he's so
goodness. There's a lot of lines in here that he improvised, So I
think he's just great at this, like like wanna be really tough guy but
whiny and then again I like it end he does like buck up when they're
just like, we can't deal with your fucking shit anymore. If we're gonna
survive this, I need you to get over it and get ahead in the
game. I don't know, like that's it, You're gonna die. And
then he powers up eventually. He was reminded me of Lambert. She's just
freaking out that at various moments. Yeah, but he got back, you
know, he does come back, but he gets so cocky at the end.
Oh you want something, how about you? Oh you want something.
He's like, Man, this guy needs to dial it down. He took
the speech too to heart. He took it. It's a little too much
there. But yeah, I like the overall mercenaries. They serve their purpose.
Yeah, there's some kind of dumb jug heads in there, but you
know some of the first one jar heads not jugheads. That's a riverdell.
So would you would you say, oh, sorry, go ahead? I
was gonna say, I'm not a fan of Hudson. God, that guy
is so annoying. This can't be happening, man, Like just every line
just sounds exact same. So he's like overacting like a thousand times, drive
me nuts through this whole freak. And of course he's like one of that
survives, survives like very close to the end, like he's in it for
most of them. Man, oh yeah, you go to hate that guy.
There's an easter egg actually in the game Alien's Colonial Marines. When you
go back to LV four twenty six and you go into the facility, you
see him cocoon in the hive and he had he had chess burster came out
of him. Yikes, damn. Yeah, but uh, what was I
gonna say? Okay, So if you're if your team is calling for pickup
and your pilot's calling you hand, like you run up the ramp and you
put your hand in some shit, are you gonna like, are you gonna
ignore that? Sorry, say the situation again. They just got sucked up
in the hive and so they called for their pickup, and so the ship
was about to take off and the pilots like, get in here, spunk
myer and spoke runs up the ramp, but he's like, hang on,
there's something, and she's get it now. I'd give you guys the heads
up for sure. I'm trying to think with that specific guy head scene to
that point. I think it's also just like the rush nature of them vacuum.
Yeah, like you probably what is this, Let's not take off until
we figure out what this is. Like you're probably skipping the usual safety checks,
and that is when like the more horror. It's not a jump scare,
but that's one of the better scares I do. Like when she's like
calling form, she looks back and it's just like the close up of the
mouth and it's like rattling like a rattlesnake, and it's just dripping and then
just right in the camera cuts the blacks, like, Okay, this is
like somewhat similar to the first one. I was enjoying that because I feel
like in when we meet the aliens for or the Xenomors for the first time.
With the mercenaries, it's just like I said, I'm on a Fanta
scene because just a bunch of them jumping around the walls and could be cool,
but they're just getting killed like effortlessly, and they just become just to
me, very non scary. And it's just because I even feel like it'd
be different. I think to maybe different if they're unloading on these things that's
not working, then I bet, yeah, you have a reason to be
so fucking scared. But really it's like, okay, you're killing these things.
Of course you should be scared aliens, but it's like it's working.
You just got to back up, make a game plan, have your weapons,
and you're good to go. So that's why I wish some of them
were a bit more armored and not easy to kill because they think they freaking
a little too much. But I do get it. Your friends are geting
ripped apart, so isn't that the big Like the big part of that though,
is that they don't really have their AMMO, like they they're pretty limited
in their firepower at that moment. Why no, Well, because if they
fire, they're they're basically in a giant fusion reactor and if they rupture the
cells then kaboom. Yeah, I guess, so, I guess, like
I think if they're fully equipped, I'm with you, Travis, just fucking
in them right the right then in there. But like they were supposed to
hand in all their weaponry and then they're pretty limited because they just have flamethrowers
technically, except for Vasquez and use those and Hudson's or Hicks Hicks sir,
I'm yeah, Hicks had the shotgun. He's like, I keep his handy
for Oh yeah, the old COD four line. I remember they took that
line for COD four campaign shouts out to that they took it from the cor
Yeah, I said that reverse I got Sigourney weaved in that. Yeah,
I get it, hat Gen Sengori weaved. You know. Oh, just
when we're talking about Hudson, forgot to shout out when Bishop does the fucking
knife thing on him and he's just like just maximum freak out, just a
really long shout. But yeah, I always love a good five five fingerfal
a fil ay flake. Can you do it? No? I feel like
I me and my friend would do it like a pen in like middle school.
You know. I worked it with a guy in my last job that
he did it with a knife. Not as fast as Bishop by any means,
but he did like the whole set in his hand, and I was
just like, why even do that? Like like, Okay, he did
it, and I'm like somewhat impressed, but I'm just still like, man,
what if you just slipped? Funny man, that's what you're saying.
I'm like screaming, let's make them on the games of that extra life you
know, everyone take a tor and see better. That sounds more like a
rod or not kind of thing. Yeah I should have done. What do
you guys feel about Bishop this go around? Because I do like that.
Again, some stuff that does repeat, But for me, this is something
that works as far as when she gets on the ship and they're like,
oh, yeah it's android. They didn't tell her bad play, but they
think, oh, he had a bad experience. One. I do like
that that carries over and she really doesn't trust him until like the very last
ten to fifteen minutes of the movie, and then unfortunately for Bishop, he
gets fucked up big time. But I liked that dynamic, especially too,
because in the middle of the movie there's a time where shit's going on.
He's found on the face Huggers and he's just kind of looking in it and
experimenting, and she's like, oh man, this is the thing all over.
And that's why I like where it is a play on the first one,
not just yeah, we're here to get weapons if there's all these signs,
but it's just more so that androids by nature are just wanting to be
scientific or explore look into that they do that they only get to fasten it,
right, Like, so I enjoy that he says I'm programmed in a
way that I could not hurt any of you whatsoever, and that is right,
but he still has like kind of the weird creepy tendencies that the android,
you know, bilbilhind in the first movie. So and I really like
land Sandriton as well too. So I like Bishop as a addition here,
and I do like his uh death scene because it's all going well and then
just and when he's just that scene is wild too. Yeah, all the
goo shooting everywhere got him real sick. I got some trivia, but it
got him big time sick. Interesting. Yeah, this was the other character
that I was a big fan of here. I think it's I like the
way that they switched it up, because, as you talked about, a
lot, Travis, like the a lot of this movie is just like running
back what they did the first time. But I like that they took this
and like, how can we flip it on the on its head a little
bit? So I like that the reveal is very early on and it's not
like some big twists that happened. Yeah, Instead it's yeah, revealed early
on, she has her qualms with that kind of thing. But then yeah,
as it goes on, they grow even love his little comment where he's
like those models they had some mouthful, they tend to malfunction or I forget
what his exact line is, but I like that moment. But yeah,
I think it led up really nicely to the conclusion when he kind of saves
the day and helps saves Newt there and then also just like yeah, whatever
that that mission that or he's about to go on when he goes through the
pipe because he's just kind of the best man for the job because he is
an android. I thought that was like a good moment. So yeah,
that was the other character I thought was a big success, and then no
one else really did it for me. But yeah, so far, the
androids have a very high ratio. You know. I know in Covenant,
I'm not a fan of fastbender and stuff, so we'll see how I feel
about that stuff when we get back to it. But he's great. I
don't know if you remember Pern Prometheus, He's fantastic that movie. Man David
is like, oh yeah, so yeah, that's that's very fuzzy in the
memory as well, so that'll be a good one. Yeah. No,
I I love Bishop. I pretty much echo everything Travis was saying there of
just uh, the kind of switch around, the little weaving that they do
on us where you know it's it starts up, seems like it's gonna be
the same situation as the first movie, and he is like as suss as
you would expect, especially for us, like experiencing the first movie coming into
this, like he don't trust me. Yeah, like those deadpan deliveries he
would say like no, man, like you're yeah, because his face even
to like it's just like I'm not trusting that guy because the first one he's
like trying to appear human, where this is a straight up right away.
Oh he's an android and you can tell he acts a little robotic at times,
so it's like it's off putting all the time for Ripley. So but
he but he you know, he he's an honorable character by the end,
and and like he is it Newt that he saves like you reach out,
he gets in the ship like he does. If it's not for him,
he's going to be this big Yeah. So I really liked that switch around,
and I liked how it wasn't like it was kind of because he is
kind of like one of the last remaining members of the ship by the end,
you don't know if it's going to get to that point that he does
do the switch again, tell tell the end and yeah, no, I
I liked all all the moments with him and yeah, nothing, I've got
a lower question I'd love to have answered here. Okay, maybe I'm sure
Taylor knows this, but open for the whole crew here, how does an
alien choose between kind of enslaving someone, bringing them in, sucking them up,
put them in their little tubes whatever, or just killing them. Like
what what do you think it makes the difference in them choosing to do those
two things to the field representative of the aliens, Yeah, they're almost always
going to try and harvest you. That's like their their main m the their
go to thing is just to increase their presence. And so they're they're gonna
harvest you. And you can see that as a parent. With Hudson,
they didn't ultimately kill him, They just like dragged him under the floorboards.
And even like the marines that were inside the hive that they found on the
radar detectors, like, oh, like most of them are still alive.
The other ones that died were the ones that got either exploded or ascid on
them and whatnot. So they're gonna do their best to try and take you
back, because that's that's rejective. Yeah, I'll have kind of like pay
attention to all the alien kills going forward and just think about that because even
think we're like the person who's like piloting the ship, like she just got
fucked up, like it didn't try to harvest her for some reason. It
seems like no, and that's and that's interesting, and it might just be
just from movie circumstances. Yeah, I because ultimately, the way you could
see it is, Okay, the thing knew it was in a ship,
but didn't know it was going to also kill itself if it killed this person,
But it doesn't want to let the other people get off the planet.
That's just a rabbit hole. I think they totally just did that for the
sake of it. I think ultimately, I don't think James Cameron is really
thinking about it when he's making this. No, I'm not. I don't
think so either. I think if at a nutshell, I think these things
when you when we go through these other movies, you're gonna see it more
and more that they're gonna do their best to harvest you and try to impregnate
you. If you are a threat to a queen or right on their turf
like that, then that changes things up. Like with Ripley here when she
threatened the queen and started lighting up the eggs, they didn't care, like
they were charging at her from the from the hallways there at the Aliens,
so but then they backed off when the queen was like, hey back,
they backed off. Yeah, when when she was threatening me the eggs.
Yeah, so that's what I took it as. It's like for me,
the difference is just if it's if a person's potential threat kill them. But
I think I'm with Taylor. If there is a chance to impregnant or take
this thing over, great, But I think when they got the guns and
everything anyn like Ripley, it's like, I'm sure maybe the alien would want,
you know, a good Ripley alien baby. But I think it's just
because Okay, this is clear. This one, yeah exactly, this one
shown that they might be out to kill us. Let's, uh, let's
just destroy this thing, you know. I was kinda I was kind of
chalking about it when Ripley is like threatening the eggs and then the Queen,
I don't know if she does like a psionic telling of the others xenomorphs to
fuck off, But yeah, I just I think it's just like the way
it's shot. It just seems so funny because it like shows the aliens at
first like creeping in like they're surrounding her, and then it goes back to
them and they just like they just kind of yeah, it's just like okay,
I get what they're doing here, but like just seeing a xenomorph being
like all right, all right, we're cool, we're cool, I'm backing
off, Like it just seemed human of a It took me out of that
scene. They should have just cut it and had like you see a few
things of it back way or just they're gone. It was because it was
they entered the room like aliens and then they were like guys in suits like
any Universal students, like no, no, we're like, we're not gonna
do it. So I agree with you. That was like, even though
that seems great, and I do love that, Ripley, I love that
the queen tells them to back off. They do, Ripley backs off,
but then before she leaves, Ripley still like, I'm gonna light this up.
But it was the face hugger right, like the egg opening up,
which again the face huggers, she'd have to do all those other eggs.
So Ripley was like, she didn't. That was definitely no matter what it
seems, oh, I know, and I like that, but Ripler,
right, it was still just like I'm making this deal and then I'm gonna
still kill as much of these baby face huggers as possible. Ex definitely like
the downfall. I mean in retrospect, she didn't know, no one would
know. But she's the reason the Queen got out because she kept throwing explosions
on it and letting it could break off from its its mouth that it was
kind of stuck in and all that shit. So and again talk about design
and look the queen. That's to me like all other than the guys in
the suit, but the rest of sequence all ten out of ten stuff I
love. We need the practical effects on that egg being birth and it's such
a great reveal where Ripley's there, it's kind of darker. The egg gets
birth and just lands beside her. She looks up. It's an egg.
It looks over. There's a sack and it's just like huge sack that is
against well. It leads to the queen, and the Queen's I can sleep
and then starts to wake. Like that whole thing and the animatronics and whatever
they have on the queen. It's just like fuck man, that like again
looks like so much better than some stuff I know the why they don't do
now because of money and cost and time, but just like I'll take this
over so much stuff we get with these CGI creatures or aliens and that is
the whole way good. Yeah. Again, it's very much like the first
one, where of course they escape on the ship and the alien always just
happens to press themselves against the fucking side. It's like, okay, we're
doing this again. But that's okay. Like I have really no bad notes
about the Queen, and I think the Queen would be like heavy enough that
the weight would yeah ship or even your ship would like detect something like there's
something on that extra ship. Yeah. Like even the first I thought,
why do they not get that? But okay, but this one, especially
this one's huge. It's like why does that see nothing but production design everything
is just like top tier. So shout out to that entire crew that did
that, because it's I think that is a good step up from the first
one to be like that's when I'm actually scared of one of these aliens now
after I've seen a full hour and a half of them just getting jobbed out.
You can't get this queen once. It's like oh man, this is
this is scary. Yeah. No, that's where the movie really delivered for
me. That's that sequence was really fun. I love too. I feel
like with that they're like, okay, budget wise, we have one take
at this, so you can just use that flamethrower for uncomfortably longer than anyone
should possibly use that for. She just keeps going back and forth, back
and forth. It was so funny to me as I was laughing but also
just totally engaged by it. Also side notes, Sigourney Weaver just holding a
kid in one arm and then the flamethrow in the other arm. Just the
coolest fucking character and actor in person of all time. Like that is like
peak coolness in movies. So yeah, that whole sequence was really fun.
I think they just really brought the whole area to life. And yeah,
it was like it was a surprise for me. I kind of forgot how
this movie was, how it ends. I forgot that sequence too, so
it was in thee And yeah, like I I didn't think the aliens looked
great in this movie for the most part with the effects, but that sequence
I thought did look really really well done, So props to them. Yeah,
I had to look it up just because it's curiosity. I was gonna
ask Taylor, but I didn't want to put too much pressure on him.
No pressure me. He really fumbled under the last que Taylor, what's the
what's the weight of a zenomorph? Just like a regular one? Right?
I was gonna get that. I just want to know what we're talking about
right now? Yeah, so just the standards, you know more? Yeah,
seven eight feet tall, I'll probably say. I mean, they can
carry a lot. They move pretty quick, That's what I was like.
And they're sneaky too, and like I was thinking, like they have almost
like an exoskeleton type situation going on where it's like, does it make them
lighter than I'm saying eight hundred No, one guessing I'm saying I'm gonna say
two hundred pounds. I'm gonna go with three hundred and seventy four pounds.
Okay, So, according to the alien Wiki, the what is it the
human phenotype is generally around seven to nine feet, which I'm assuming is meaning
like the chest burster comes out of a human. That probably what that means.
And then is that tail is that tail like feet stad dome fee feet
to do feet to do, yeah, I think. And then the weight
is roughly between four hundred and six hundred pounds with a long muscular tail and
large curve. It's just like it's a big creature, you know. And
then the queen like twelve hundred, right, that's gotta be Yeah, a
couple of g's right there, and like this is where I couldn't fully find
like a solid one on the wiki at least, maybe I'm not searching well
enough. But you know, if we ask science fishing, ask science fiction
on the subreddit science fish, this is definitely speculation, but it says it's
probably without the egg sack for the queen roughly between fifteen hundred and three thousand
pounds somewhere in that ring. I mean, Taylor said two thousand, which
is I think it's like bang on on the money right there. Yeah,
that's fair. With Taylor's making me nervous with how he's looking at me right
now. Yeah, I don't think he liked your answers. He didn't like
your questions. He's a real android over there, they malfunction doing his own
research, but still a surprising I think this is like even four hundred,
six hundred pounds. I would have assumed it would have been maybe two hundred
or or something, just just because I don't know. They move a lot
lighter than that. Yeah, yeah, undred percent agile, but no eight
hundred because they just look heavy, they look they look sturdy, you know.
Definitely what was I going to say, Oh, the whole egg sack
situation. I agree. I think the design of everything is just so,
it's beautifully disgusting, like it's just so well made. On how they get
it all. I loved to have been on that set that it must have
been so much. The smells of the gow whatever they're using, just crawling,
Dylan. It always makes me think of and our Futurama folks go to
the slurms factory. Yeah, figure out how Slurm is made. It always
makes me think of the gross queens, you know more if they're but no,
just a great I think, addition to just the mythos of the aliens
and like where these eggs come from, you just have a big queen.
And of course once we get to the Glorious a VP, we meet another
queen there, so I can't wait for that. But yeah, don't listen
to them, don't don't don't let them fool you. I I'm excited for
those because I want to have a little expectations, but I think it's be
dumb fun and there they're super fun. What I was gonna say is,
because we haven't heard much talk, what do you guys think of Newts.
We've talked about the daughter Mother Dynamico that was cut, but what do you
guys think about the actual you know, this girl lost family high down the
ship Mercenaries Finder obviously is a you know kind of mcguffin for Ripley, a
lotter and this movie goes missing. Fantastic brilliant shot when she's in the water
and that thing comes out at that's fucking fantastic. Yeah, Like again some
good imagery. But yeah, what do you guys think about the inkle never?
I really like nut here. I think she's a great factor to include
of like someone very vulnerable but also like a different dynamic than what the aliens
are hunting, you know, like you have these big, macho marines and
then you have like a very I was gonna say sceptible that is not the
right word, just just a fragile, yeah, but like something that like
not equipped soldier, like like literally just a child, but she's able to
survive in this environment by just sticking to her little caverns and vents wherever she's
hiding. And I love the moment when they find her and then Sigourney is
able to get a one on one with her and she's like, don't worry,
we have like soldiers and she's just like that's not like it's not gonna
do anything, Like it's not gonna I just love that moment so much.
And I love like the here moment that Ripley has at the end to go
back and save her. So I really like her inclusion of this of just
kind of balancing out because otherwise you just have these like macho soldiers and Ripley,
but like throwing in like a civilian child is a fun dynamic and you
know, like she is fragile, she is a child, but she still
has obviously some skills to kind of stay alive on the ATID longer than a
lot of them. Yeah. Absolutely, and uh yeah no. I really
like her here And don't remember what happens in the next movie, so I
curious her first story just ends here or not. Buckle up, buck up,
Yeah, I don't. I don't think it was very effective for me.
It is like era of like kid actors, you know, not great.
Yeah, yeah, so I don't. I don't think it added much.
We didn't really detract from it overall. But yeah, I didn't add
that. I found it interesting. I was looking at that actress like that
was the she did that and then nothing and then did a movie in twenty
twenty. Yeah, after all these years came back. It did sound.
I think that's kind of interesting for I wonder what her life has looked like.
But uh, I don't think I've much to add on nude. They're
not my not my favorite. Okay, anything else specifically to add. I
look at my notes for what I have, but uh, sprang, I
did that. I'm not sure if you guys mentioned it, if I might
have missed it when I stepped out. But I love the moment when they
are first finding like the colonizers and and they're like, okay, we found
them. They're all chilling in this one area because there's just so many blips
on the radar, and then of course they go there. It's just fucking
worst case scenario. They're all just getting chestead and weaving on into the next
life. So yeah, I like that moment. If I had my ass
handed to me with my squad and we just got out and we had to
fortify the base and we had to look at that map that they supplied,
I'd be getting more panicked because how the fuck do you read that map.
It's like impossible. It's all white lines on a blue screen. I yeah,
I'm sent with you that. There's moments when I'm like, okay,
they're like pointing an event here that's kind of try and figure out how to
follow this map, and it's it's just fucking It's like a rat's nest of
wires like a map exactly. It's stressful. Shit. Yeah, I'm not
being that guy. I'm not being the map guy. I'll let you know
that I have enough troubles reading the maps in that last trial, so I'm
not going to be the mouth there. So I have a few random notes
here. I love the look of the tank and I love that it was
I assume they had a vehicle and like built everything around it so it could
actually move. I thought that was really cool. I also I thought it
was funny that the loader, which I think it's fun that that comes back
in the finale, and that's what she uses a take on the queen that
just look like someone's straight out of Avatar. To me, like, that's
exact kind of te absolutely the people have so I thought that was kind of
a funny connection there. The one guy. I love that the the instant,
the frame that he exits cryo sleep, he's already got his cigar and
she's going ham at it. I'm like, then, I feel like your
lungs probably need a bit to get uh working again properly. But no,
he's already he's already going quote on, so he's warming them up to respect
that. And then just a couple of random quotes. Uh, Ripley drops
this one, did I accuse drop sharply while I was away when they're just
being stupid? I thought that was a good one. I forget who or
what the context is. Someone says, stop your grinning and drop your linen.
So that was the colonists. There you go. And then I love
the line from Ripley when she said when she's talking about the planet, she's
like, we just got a nuked from orbit uh, and they're like,
this place has a very high value though, and she's like, well,
you can Bill me. She obviously her deliver is much better than mine.
But I really liked that that line because I feel like she just has so
much more confidence this time around, and I feel like she's just there's no
no bs with her anymore now that she's at this point where she's she's been
here, just been here before. She's going in circles, and so she
just doesn't want to fuck around with these people. And obviously no one's going
along with her or the at least not making it easy on her. So
I like when she has a little little remarks like that, that's a great
line too, And when I love it she says that, and there's like
a hush over the room except for Bill Pax when he's like, fucking hey,
I just enjoy that. Like he's this, like he's the same way
as her, that he's done with all of it, but not out of
like a maturity and like worth the way, like he's just so scared shitless,
like he'll take he didn't care about the job, he doesn't care the
ramifications, Like he's just right, like, yeah, if we can newt
this whole planet, please let's do this so yeah. He has another moment
when they're talking about like someone's gonna go out there and repair the satellite,
dish to call the ship and we'll pie the ship down, and Hicks has
his like he can count me out, Hicks, and guess you can count
you out of everything. And Bishop keeps saying like I'll go, I'll go,
and then Huts is like, yeah, man, Bishop should go over.
He's a good character, so spineless. Maybe I'm wrong, but like,
tay, you can correct me because you've seen these movies more, especially
the later ones, when they're outside they're waiting for the ship and it goes
down, and they talk about, oh, like how long it would be
till the next one would come. And then Dud's like, well, we
like we can't survive out here in the dark. Is there any movie that
does that where it's like they're outside where like like that situation where they're outside
when the darkness comes, these aliens are gonna be all over this planet on
the outside because it's a lot of ship based suff and that maybe might happen
more in the I think just covet okay, so you get that, But
this setting you're saying is definitely in Covenant, Okay, just because like maybe
hopefully I'll appreciate that this go around, because I just think that would be
a scary thing. Imagine you're outside in the dark and now these things,
Like I think the ship is scary, but at least the ship has some
lights, has like a door you get behind something, but you're just out
and open field and now these things are like you gotta get back in somewhere
until before sundown. That would be terrifying. So yeah, there's the moment
when I think Ripley is just like, you know, is there anything I
can do? And then I think it's a pone or something. She's like,
I don't know, is there anything you can do? And then she
gets on the uh, the fucking mech thing and it's like, you know,
she does something pretty impressive, but the shot goes like a pone and
fucking Hicks and they're just like looking at each other like look at that.
Yeah, it's just bad. Yeah, it's just so cheesy, Like I
know what they're going for. You know, she's got value and they're seeing
that, which is great, but it's just the way they did it was
just hilarious. Similar Oh sorry, go ahead, which is funny because that's
still stuff he does in the Avatar movies. Like the way these characters react,
it's the same way an Avatar and there's some about here, I guess
I get it's more palatable, but it's like, oh, this shouldn't be
happening in like twenty twenty three, but he still doesn't man, you know,
just he's like, yeah, fuck, we're cool. And like on
that same topic too, is just with Vasquez again. I think it's Drake
is like the blonde guy that's just buddies with her. And it's after when
she when she does like the nice one liner on uh on buddy of just
like you know, you do you ever get called a man? You know
whatever the fuck it says, my gosh, I'm leaving right now. But
uh, Drake goes up toward its like you're just too good, Basquez,
and they like high five and it's like fuck yeah. There's a couple other
times in the movie when those two have a moment like that are just like
fuck yeah, Vasquez get some and they're just like high five. And that's
just like that macho, like I don't know, like soldier type personality,
which I just James Cameron man, like it's you're just saying Travis, like
that happens in Avatar, like the courage, like that guy, like that's
his character that's used to people don't know you know. That's all I get
the job, get some Yeah, express hell going down. They were jumping
out of the plane. Yeah. I really love the first person point of
view that they had on like our soldiers of just seeing like Ripley and like
the people that are not there kind of what they're seeing. I thought that
was fun and yeah, it was a good conclusion there. Jurassic World definitely
just ripped off that scene, eh when they go in to go, because
remember they had that scene where Christ and they have all the cameras on their
guns. So yeah, there you go. That's definitely a contribute to it.
I didn't think about it until Kirkland said it, but that's the same
scene where they're in there and then they could camouflage and they all get this
common that's all my notes, that's all I got. Yeah. Just a
pone man, he's just he's a highlight for me. He really really is,
Like I do like a pone. He's great and I wish he survived
that first and initialll fight, but like the poor guy he was trying to
listen to the lieutenant lieutenant was just being an idiot, and he's doing his
he's a loyal soldier, Like he is a loyal soldier, trying to give
up my magazines. All right, hand's gonna get some medals, you know,
metals for sure. His lines though with Hudson was just great because Hudson's
just being cheeky, like how do I get this chicken shit outfit? And
you still got shit, Hudson. And even after that he's like he's like
biting his teeth. Come here, Come. There's all these little dynamics between
the characters that I really appreciate, and Hicks is definitely one of my favorites.
I really like how he's just so quiet and silent, and then when
it comes to that he's you know, he's corporal and he agrees with Ripley,
like Nukem from Morbit, it just really takes charge of the situation.
Even when the Lieutenant Gorman comes back from his concussion, he's not like he
understands that the situation is what it is here and he's relinquishing his command for
the experienced one here, which is which is Hicks taking control. I'm just
understanding too, like they got to work as a team and he can't just
be dished out orders in a situation he just doesn't stand anymore. So I
really appreciate that one scene that I really love, and it's great because I
feel like Feede is going to be really amplifying this based on what we saw
in the last Alien ro Omulus trailer. That scene when Burke trapped the two
facehuggers in the infirmary with Ripley and Newt was fucking terrifying because it's when it
like it jumps on the bed and she pins it on the mattress and then
she flips the mattress and they back up against the wall. They're making no
sound, bang on the glass. Burke turns the camera off. You're thinking,
fuck, this is brutal, and you just you're looking around. You
don't know where these things are. And there's a like you said when News
in the water and the Zeno comes up from behind her. There's a few
scenes in here that they just they landed so well. Again the alien queen
at the end on the ship that was done well, but there's a part
here where Ripley is backing up and she's throwing things in front of her,
and you just see the face hooker crawling on the ground towards her, and
they puppeteered that so fucking well. It's so scary and it jumps and she's
holding it. It's it's absolutely terrifying. And then the other one comes up
where nude is and she's holding the the the little thing against the wall,
pitting its tail. Like there's so many things happening here in the sequence that
it's crazy. And yeah, the team comes in and and saves her,
and it's cool because you get expositions here on the plan that Burke was gonna
basically like sneak them, sneak the eggs into them or the chest bushes into
them, and yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, terrible terrible person.
I get Ripley's you know, like like want to send Burke back to
answer for his crimes. Oh yeah, no, what are you doing?
What are you doing in that situation? I'm just off throw them out.
Is going to kill him because he's like he he he's very cheeky with him
too, because he hit Burke earlier. Was like he's just a grunt,
no offense. And then here Hicks is like, I know we waste him,
no offense. He grabs him. Yeah, chuck him out there with
the aliens, way paying for his crimes. Like I get like he knows
he's fucked, But I don't know why you'd bugger off on your own,
like you trapped them behind, like you got no guns, Like what's your
plan? Like it's it's just ridiculous. Didn't go well, It didn't go
well at all. Anything else before some trivia here, uh, the alien
queen following her with the elevators. I like that scene. That was intense,
that was crazy. I think that's pretty much all that I got.
There. You go, this is when you go on to be There's tons
and tons of trivia. So I cherry picked a few things that were interesting,
but there's tons of like really good stuff that I was like, oh,
I could just read the whole page, but I didn't. Let's see,
there is like a classic story you should go look into it where they're
talking about alien and what they're gonna do. All that Jeans Karen did on
a white board. The legend is that he wrote down the word alien and
then with an S and then put money symbols into it. So that's how
you nice pitch this, Yeah, James, that's what his boys were doing
pretty much. And I don't have this in trivia. I just thought each
other so that they just didn't even ask Redley Scott back for this. That's
sometimes they'd claim it would have been like scheduling issues, but no, Ridley
Scott said, they just never never gave them the option, and that's what
happened. Weird. Yeah, when you make a hit film, which doesn't
matter if they own it, they own it. So but then obviously came
back for Prometheus, Cameron put the dollar sign on the board like, oh,
this is our man. Yeah, I gotta stick with him there,
right. So, like most films, this movie wasn't shot in sequence,
but for ad realism, Cameron wanted to ensure that the last scene that was
filmed was the scene where all the the Marines are together, kind of like
getting ready chip and everything like that, just because they'd spent months filming together.
So he won that realism of the sort of bomb there. It's like
you know that that's actually like a really good call and there's you know,
stuff like that, you go, oh, yeah, that's smart. You
know, don't give actors enough credit for, yes, being able to just
like accurately do your scenes out of order and be able to be in the
right mindset must be a hard, hard job. Oh yeah. Bill Paxton
continuously apologized to Carrie Hannon, who played Newt, throughout the filming. Every
time Hudson had to swear in front of her, Carrie later a minute she
didn't mind, mainly because she had no idea what the words meant. When
filming the scene with Newton. Yeah, when filling the scenes with Newt in
the duct, Carrie Han kept deliberately blowing her scene so she could slide down
the vent, which she later called a slide that was three stories tall.
James Cameron finally dissuaded her by saying if she completed the scene, she could
play on it as much as she won. And she did and kept it
and he kept his promise. So he just sat and said, hey,
get this done, then he can keep going. But as a kid,
she just like she kept screwing. She wanted to go down there. Lance
Hendrickson, who played Bishop had Priestley, decided he was going to quit acting
if this role didn't work out for him after many years, just kind of
being a character man or journey man, like the character actors should say.
But yeah, it was one of the most successful films. Uh, did
it work out for him? It achieved what he wanted it to. Yeah.
I think he put him on the map, and he was in a
bunch more stuff down the line. So he's in four Bigfoot movies. Wow,
that's insane. One in four three hard limits Sigourney. We were his
best, which I didn't even know. This Best Actress Academy nomination for this
movie was the first ever actress for a role on a sci fi action movie.
I did not know she gotried for this, although previously Gene Alexander been
nominated for an apocalypt drama Testament and Melinda Dyllon was nominated for Close Accounters the
third time. But yeah, no, I did not know at first one
either. Yeah. We talked about the horror community at the Oscars not being
much same as sci fi, you know, so man I thought he looked
familiar Bishop until he clicked on his IMDb. He's literally just whalan himself in
a VP. That just fucking blows my mind. He's the one that blows.
We'll say it, We'll say betray a race. He drops that line
on those movies. Yeah, wanted to wear a double pupil contact lens for
Bishop, but James Cameron said he looked creepy enough. So you know,
I don't know if you take that as a coltman or not. But the
life trick was originally going to be done by Bishop accordion a Lance Hendrickson.
He suggested James Cameron have Hudson hand on top of his, to which Cameron
agreed. As Hendrickson felt the scene needed something extra. This change was discussed
with almost everyone except Bill Paxton. Hendrickson also remembers a long night of drinking
after shooting the scene, followed by a reshoot of the scene as it looked
too fake. When they sped up the footage, he accidentally caught Packson's pinky
on the knife for the reshoot, So I guess they did it, and
they sped it up and then they're like, no, this doesn't look good.
You gotta go back there Bill and do it again. And then that's
the one where they used a real knife. Yeah, they didn't use a
prop. Wow, that's all them and they did this after some drinking too,
So I guess I just got pill. I have to imagine, Yeah,
there's no way that you sign. Yeah there's yeah, you'd have to
sign a waiver. That was real. That was Bill's real reaction in that
scene. Pretty funny man. Yeah. Uh, guess I mentioned before that
she didn't really want to come back for a sequel yet did so. I
said in that trivia she had several notes when reading the script even though she
really liked it, and James Cameron kind of took all the notes and let
her like, if Ripley felt like she, if Singley felt Ripple should responded
like this, camera would go with her. So it sounds like, well,
yeah, of course they cut that. But honestly, she's an avatar,
so it seems like they had a good working relationship all these years.
Uh. The alien nest set was kept intact after filming. It was later
uses Axis chemicals for Batman eighty nine. When the Batman crew first ended the
set, they found most of the alien nests still intact, so that alien
set ended up being for the first Batman. So it's pretty cool. And
that's where they store that is it just like a warehouse it's a lot.
Yeah, I'm like, probably just a law. It could have been on
Pine, which we'll talk about here in a bit because I've a long trivia
come up about how some people hated James Cameron. Let's see. Oh yeah,
So when Fox saw an early cut of film, they complained to producer
Gail Annhurt, who was Cameron's wife at the time, it looked like the
money had all been spent on sets rather than special effects. Heard took great
delight in telling the execs that the majority of the sets that they were seeing
and complaining about or just miniatures or optical effects akay special effects. The artists
behind the images were very pleased to hear the story. So I guess these
got these notes back, like, you guys spent all this money, where
is it like? OHI building all these sets and lost of them weren't sets.
They were just you know, miniatures. So yeah, we talked about
the director cut in the deleted scenes. James ramar our favorite, the man
who played Henry Morgan from Dexter, was originally going to play Hicks, and
Michael Bean uh yeah, replaced him. A few days after principal photography had
begun. The often given reasons Ramar was moved due to a artistic difference between
Remar and Jans Cameron, but in an episode of a podcast, he states
that he was fired from the production because he was busted for his possession of
drugs. He said he was a period of life where he has developed a
terrible drug problem, and mar still appears in the finish film. He is
seen in one shot when the Marines enter the alien's nest because he is behind
them wearing the same armor as Michael Bean. So if they didn't find his
drugs, we would add, maybe Michael Bean would here. He played a
great android. Actually I think he. I think so too. Yeah,
I was referring this earlier doing he talking about all those fluids. Lance Henderson
caught a dose a bad food poisoning from the milk and yogurt combination that he
had to spew from his chest that was pierced by the alien queen. Having
a lack pose combination sitting around hot studio lights created a bacterial breeding ground.
It started to smell so bad after three days feeling most of the crew members
got hesitant to even go near Hendrickson. In contrast to the crew, they
opted to not use milk in the first one for Ash's death, So that's
why the like the milk giogurt combo this time really fucked them over. And
this was the role that convinced him to continue acting after going through that.
Yeah, as they and as I guess, yeah, they realized I was
sorry. It was the other way around. They used what is this as
they recognize a fluid made of the milk would go sour. So I guess
the first one they didn't use milk, but they made a mistake this time
to use milk and yogurt. And yeah, poor Lance, I guess he
didn't complain the whole time. He sat there and took it. But yeah,
I guess he got very sick. I guess he got very sick.
Keep filing. Yeah, the full queen sized puppet was actually too big to
fit in the elevator for that shot. Her tail was removed and the back
of the over back of the elevator still to be open to accommodate the prop.
The smoke beds start lighting, so I guess to just get that queen
in there was just like a pain in the fucking that bothers me because in
the movie, you can see her. The end of her tail is missing,
yes, down there and that bothers me. Well, they just say
she lost it, you know. And finally, the last trivia note here
is there was a lot of amute animosity between to set, a British crew
and both James Cameron and Gail and Herd again his wife at the time producer.
Neither of them had been experienced working with a British stud a studio or
British crew. In the crew's eyes, Cameron was still relatively untried director as
the terminator had bombed in the box office in specifically the UK, not like
in general, just UK, which remember, many crew members hadn't seen.
They allegedly mocked her by suggesting she only got to be the producer because she
was married to Cameron. They allegedly wouldn't take orders from a woman, though
this was more likely due to her being American. On both her and Cameron
had no understanding of respect the British way. Yet Da Da Da the crew
saw Cameron heard his inexperience overly demanding, arrogant, and in turn, Cameron
heard saw the crew as lazy, insult and arrogant. One of the few
allies production Peter Lamont. After oh, I skip that, they just talked
about there's one guy and the crew that got along with Cameron and he came
back for like Titanic and stuff, so that all worked out for him.
After a law difficult shoot, Cameron addressed the crew by saying one thing that
kept on going through it all the certain knowledge that one day I would drive
out of Pinewood and never come back, and you storry, bastards will still
be here. So I guess it was just like really sounded like a day
at the office to make this movie for you had Cameron's crew and he had
the British crew, and it did sound like they all fucking hated each other
the whole time they were there, except for the wonder your cohort's Kirkland.
That's sorry, bastards are gonna still be Yeah, exactly so. But like
I said, if if you're interested in this movie, go look. There's
just tons of it in there. And yeah, they even I tried to
look for it. But even director, it sound like Cameron was their guy
for pretty much most of it. They were gonna wait for him to finished
Terminator. They just like the way he worked and end up like he made
Avatar with them, he made he was with Fox with the majority of his
career, so whatever it was, they just liked his pitch and his style
and whatever we think about movies. It's like, oh see they were proven
KAMAI. They were smart there. But yeah, Dylan, what are you
given this one? I'm gonna drop a four failing for me? You know.
I think at the top I said I hate it. I think I
more just feel very little about it, maybe more uh just just nothing than
hatred. But there's also very little that I actually like about this one.
So that's where it's uh not climbing over the five finish line there, Okay,
kirkhan Patzer, I thought it would be like a solid seven on this
one. I think it's Uh. I definitely sound a lot more negative in
the first part. I think it's just because it's such a significant drop off
for me from the first one. But I think I'm gonna boot it up
to actually seven and a half here, I don't know, just talking about
some some certain a pone moments, and like the back half I think is
much stronger than the first half, and specifically like the third act. I
really really like the third act with the chase scene and having Ripley pop off
not only going in there with the flamethrower to save Newt, but also with
like the big mech to just manhandle the fucking throw that queen out of there,
and yeah, just another's you know, more floating off into space,
just like the last film. So I yeah, I like aspects of it,
but I'm yeah, I just I'm still just like Ripley, why do
you have to go back there? Like it's just it doesn't make sense to
me. But I don't know, that's the world we got. So seven
and a half for Aliens, we'll see. I have a slight feeling we're
gonna just keep going down with my ratings as this goes along until we had
AVP and it's gonna be a little ass right, and I think it's gonna
go down and we're gonna have some fun. But yeah, I'll give this
an eight. I think that I obviously don't love as much as the first
one. I think there's a lot of filmmaking stuff that I just very much
appreciate it, and I still have a good time with this. There's still
some sequins in the air that are very, very well done in like all
timers, especially that third act there. I think there's multiple moments in there
that are just okay, Bravoh, you guys really took it home here.
But I also have some issues with the movie. But yeah, I'm an
eight ten on this one. Tear Field, what are what's your score for
this one? This is an easy tent out of ten for me. This
movie is fantastic. It is. It was just fuck, it's so good.
It is so good. I'll always recommend this one all the time.
Uh. It's so many iconic lines, so many wonderful action sequences. It's
great. I forgot to mention too. There's a line here where they they're
talking about these colonists and colonist daughters, and they mentioned Octurians, and there
is no actual revelation of what octurians are. People speculate that it's actually because
the one Frost says it doesn't matter of male or female, So people think
it's either a human colony that's just like their gender fluid or and other people
say no, it's actually another humanoid aliens that are descendants of like the space
Jockey engineers. But there's there's no there's no other mention of it or anything
like that. But that's where James Cameron's kind of like adding more to the
universe here a little bit. But you also see too, like Hudson saying,
oh, like another bug hunt or is this like uh whatever? But
there are aliens that exist, but this is like the first kind of like
life form, life form that's new to them. But anyways, I take
crass this This movie is fucking fantastic and I'm really really excited. I started
Alien three, and halfway through it, I'm really excited to hear what you
guys have to say about it, because it's it should be a good talk
nice and there you go. That's your tea's for the next episode, Aliens
Alien three. Does that subtitle just Alien three and three? I no Resurrection
four? On the cover just says because it's Alien three, and then says
three times the suspense, three times the danger, three times the terror.
Oh I know, there you go. It would be better if you didn't
have like eighteen million aliens in this one, because they like, oh,
there's three of them this time. But yeah, but yeah, we will
talk about that movie be in the next episode. Thank you very much for
tuning in. And your rose. Next, you'll not be boring. Mm hmm