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Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to Eye

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on the Ball here on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's

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jigensaus that our guys sit in today
for the whole two hours, fifteen minutes.

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Now, I think we're gonna have
I think we're gonna I'm looking forward

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to the show, looking forward to
I've never really spoken to her. Stacey.

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Uh the Snowden, Yes, the
Staate Snowden. Did you go to

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the to the I did not go
to that. That was fantastic. The

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presentation I did in the kind of
the films and the stuff, it was

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fantastic. I didn't know a lot
of the stuff because I wasn't here.

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You'll probably go through some memory lane
type of stuff. I feel like I

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need to give her a little grief
about the warm up she designed one year,

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which for well nutty Okay, so
we'll talk about that. She will

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say, I gotta go do that
at the end exactly you'll hang up.

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Yeah, looking forward to that.
And then at four fifteen we have Bob

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Kemp from Phoenix, uh the radio
station up there. We'll see what's going

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on in the Great Phoenixes. We're
ended up there. There's a little little

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event going on up there. Yeah, in the next couple like other places

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that have been to a few of
them. And we talked about this with

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Jay Jay uh with her name Jay
the organizing committee. Yes, that it's

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difficult and you've been too, Hay
J. Perry, Yeah, exactly where

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you have events in different locations,
so you don't get the true feel of

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the Final Four, right because a
lot of things are being downtown and the

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games are in Glendale at the arena. I know it's gonna be fun down

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at the arena area. Yeah,
but a lot of the fun is downtown

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too, So we'll talk about that. Yeah, that's just only great.

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But you know in you wonder you
know what the city is big as Phoenix.

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If people notice that the event is
there, No, then that's where

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I wanted to go with the because
in New York I had it in nineteen

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ninety five UCLA one. I think
they're New York. Here's don't give a

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craft. Yeah, you didn't know. We got got a bus. We

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drove to New Jersey, came back
and it was like, okay, it's

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Tuesday. Yeah you know, yeah, no, I hear you. It's

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it's yeah. Is it? Uh? Is it? Uh? You know,

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does Joe Schmoe, Phoenix resident who
lives over you know, Peoria whatever,

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know that the Final four is there? And does he care or care

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right that that that's an event that
you know, hundreds of millions of people

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are going to be paying attention to. Is is is there? You know?

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The super Bowl? Right? Right? So we'll talk about that.

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I will know more. You know. The one thing is you're leaving tonight

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to get there, right, and
I'm leaving in the morning, and I

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already dread the traffic. You live
where you live where I live in Gilbert,

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So I take that same route though. Yeah it's just a pain and

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trucks and yeah, yeah, it's
just a mess, especially we go downtown.

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Yeah. Us, we've got to
you know, we're staying We're staying

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out by the airport. Uh.
And we're gonna have you know, we're

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gonna gonna have a commute. We're
gonna have to be to the arena or

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to the stadium, but I think
nine o'clock in the morning, so it's

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that right, gonna be fun traffic
getting out to getting out there. That's

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how I was gonna leave, Like
at seven, I say, is why

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would I do that? Could you
get there right? And how we follow

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you? Yeah? No, I'm
gonna wait, I'm gonna wait. Yeah,

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but you know what, what if
you're coming from Tucson, you you

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take that that the cutoff or the
cutoff and go around. You know we're

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gonna cut right through Phoenix. Yeah, come down and go to the cutoff.

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Out of the final fourth that you
guys have covered. Where do where

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do you think this one will will
rank as far as the team's in it

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and the kind of the energy around
it, that's hard to say. I

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think that's going to depend on whether
Purdue and yukon't get into the championship game.

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If that's not the championship game,
and not to say that the other

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teams if they get there, don't
deserve it or whatever, But if it's

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Yukon against North Carolina State or Purdue
against Alabama, I think that's take a

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lot of the juice out of this
I think people are waiting to see a

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Yukon produce. And it's very rare
that the one and two teams at the

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beginning of the year get there.
And we were there. Did you go

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to Minnesota? No, so Minnesota. Arizona was in one of those Arizona

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versus Duke. It was like the
top two teams throughout the year, and

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you knew they were the best teams. They got there and it was a

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good game until it wasn't. You
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be. You know, let's say
we have two compelling games on Saturday,

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and you know, and Howeverard winds
up. So it's hard to know in

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terms of the teams that are there, you know, I mean, you

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might have wanted to see North Carolina
there or Arizona. You might have wanted

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to see Houston there. You know, the teams that have been were really

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great throughout the season, but they're
not. But still the one and two

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seeds are there, and so we'll
say, but I'm looking forward to it.

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You know, I've gone past the
you know, the the what the

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five or seven stages of grief on
Arizona, you know, because I mean,

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you know, when when Arizona was
out. It was like, not

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only did they lose, but crap, they're not at the final four.

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And this is the second time this
happened to us, Like, you know,

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I was I worked the final four
last time and they got beat in

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the sweet sixteen that year unexpectedly.
So that's kind of a drag, but

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but we're gonna have fun. I'm
looking forward to it. You bring that

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up, and I know it's a
wee could go now, we could go

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today. Now. They were losing
at this time. Uh do you remember

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that one? And that was the
one in San Jose. I think they

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lost to Xavier, right that Xavier
at San Do you remember I stayed?

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You stayed because you were The disappointment
was the same as this or more.

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I think it was more, Yeah, because that was a pretty good team.

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Yeah, that was a really good
tream And and it was Xavier,

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Yeah, and his old place,
his old place, and people were like,

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you know, it's Xavier, you
should be able to beat these guys.

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You know, I think I think
they people had less, Uh,

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they thought less of Xavier than they
thought of Clemson this time around, you

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know, and then people are mistakenly
thinking that if Arizona, you know,

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beat Gonzaga, that they were going
to handle Gonzaga, which I again don't

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think that would happened. Uh So, I don't know. I don't know.

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And it's kind of the way they
lost it too, right when,

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yeah, they had the lead,
they had the lead, they didn't you

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know, and then all of a
sudden, you know, Larry Market and

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top kating the ball and they lost. You can't you can't say he didn't

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score. He never got the ball. He didn't get the ball, So

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you know, it was it was
that kind of a thing. So I

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don't know, I think they're pretty
pretty close to equal because they I I

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mean, do we think that people
that people thought Arizona could win the national

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championship in twenty seventeen, Oh h
yeah, yeah, because it was another

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perfect It was a perfect road.
Although although the next game would have been

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Gonzaga, right, and you're thinking, no, I'm not too sure.

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But you had to see them first, Yes, you had to see them.

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That was when I saw them.
They walked on the court and I'm

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like, there is a bunch of
old guys, hes, a bunch of

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men, men playing against a bunch
of boys. Yeah, so you've noticed

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too. I'm sure after all the
stories to this point that you know,

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everyone has their transfers, everybody has
their blah blah blah. But the teams

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that succeed are the ones that are
older. Yeah, older, older,

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yeah, yeaheah. Yeah, and
Arizona had some old guys and some young

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guys. But still I think that's
what wins games. Yeah, older veteran

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know how to get here type of
things. Yeah, and and and the

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and the Calipari Sean Miller. Things
don't work anymore or maybe they never did.

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Yeah, well, you know that's
that's what you're finding out, is

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that you know, you know,
I mean, what is Zach thirty two

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years old? You know? Probably
the ages I think are the grade of

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the most of the average of the
starters of the teams that made the lead

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day, I believe was mostly seniors
and and mostly chancewers as well. So

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I think that's why I was a
little more disappointed as well when Arizona loss

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last week. Yeah, because while
the young guys may be incredibly talented anything

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for young guys are really really damn
good when it comes to, you know,

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time to do this. You know, the guys who've been around and

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who aren't rattled as easily and stuff
like that are the ones that win these

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tournaments. Right. Well, and
let me give you some grief because because

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I gave you group before the game
on the Sweet sixteen, the experience that

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that Caleb and they had the experience
that played it. You know what I

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meant, not a damn thing,
j No, But here's what it meant.

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It meant it would have been worse
if they didn't have that experience.

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Well, it kept it kept him
in the game. You know, you

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spint it as you are spit it, But it didn't it didn't matter that

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everybody but Bradley played well, yeah, you know, and kJ played well

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too, they did, you know. And there's a and there's still a

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lot to look forward to with this
with this team, but they're losing four

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guys that were key to this team. But you know, the way things

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are now, you know, you
can go where rebuild this really fast,

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right, go get some more And
that's the way. That's the way it's

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gonna be, Steve. I mean, yes, you're gonna continue to recruit

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the high schools and try and develop
those guys, but you know what,

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how many of these three guys that
are coming in with Tommy this year,

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I think they're one and dones.
Yeah, majority of them, at least

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two. I think you're you're assuming
at least two of them, right,

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Yeah, so you know, you're
kind of like content between a rock and

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a hard place. I gotta go
get some guys that can help me.

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Now. I do want to develop
these guys, but I don't know how

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long they're gonna be here. And
then that's a God, that's just gotta

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be such a hard way to have
to coach and manage your Yeah, you

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you didn't start coaching with this in
mind, right, you just kind of

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like, you know, get them, teach them, coach them, and

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move one. Yeah so I I
you know, but let me take something.

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They make a lot of money,
a lot of money they you,

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and and that's it. If you're
if you're if you're bitching about it,

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if you're a coach and you're making
three four five million dollars and you're complaining

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about it, stop, okay,
stop, nobody's going to listen to your

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complaining. Just deal with it,
do the job as best you can,

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and if you get fired because you're
not doing it well, enough. Well,

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I hope you saved your money,
right right, Yeah, I don't

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feel sorry for rich people. Yeah, so no, I think you know,

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I I want to see what these
teams look like on the floor,

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right. I can't say that,
but you get you get enough. But

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I don't feel like you get enough
of when you see him on TV.

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You don't really get a sense of, yah, who they are. I

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get a sense that once you see
Connecticut, you goetna say, I get

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it. I remember these guys from
last year. I mean, just the

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way in which they're winning these games. It doesn't seem like it's right.

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It's just they're on a different planet
right now, no question. The funny

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thing, if they don't do it, you'll say, how did this team

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exactly right? And that's a possible. Yeah, because Alabama goes off and

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they made they make their threes.
You say, oh, that's the kryptonite,

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and it's everybody's krypt Nite, right, Hey, yeah, kryptonite for

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everybody. If a team shoots fifty
eight percent from three pointers, right,

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that beats anyone. And Krypto Knite
self imposed is when you shoot eighty percent

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exactly. Okay, cool, you
keep bringing that crap up. I'm just

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pointing it out. I don't want
to talk to you the rest of the

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day. I'll see what Phoenix to
work. Don't talk to me there.

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But I'm like, you know,
here's what I like. You know,

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I've been listening to stuff all week, you know, podcasts, you know,

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uh, you know, radio shows, TV shows, and so like

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everybody's talking about the Final four.
Are also talking a lot about the women's

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Final Four. But to go up
there and be in the middle of all

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that, I'm really looking forward to
that. It's gonna be fun. You

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know. It's funny that I was. I was joking with my with my

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wife because I was telling you,
I I'll send it one three. I

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realized I had to get to the
studio and I hadn't even packed yet.

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I'm like, I've been planning to
go to this Final four for three years

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and here it is. I'm in
a hurry, and I hope I got

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everything. I don't know. We'll
see, but it's Phoenix, right.

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If I need something to can buy
it somewhere a little pricey, though,

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take a little more cash. There
is civilization of our stores. If I'm

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short on something I don't want to
see you in five thousand dollars boots.

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I think I got enough underwear,
so I'm good. That's what really matters.

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And then sque sequina shirt. Yeah, we're getting We're getting some gear

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up there. But now I'm looking
forward to Stacy Snowden. You know,

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I mean I remember when you know, she was growing up here, uh

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with the rest of us, you
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She was kind of visible with the
team back then. You know,

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I said, I think she I
think she designed you know, the sweats

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for the warm ups for one of
the teams. I can't remember what year,

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but you know, that kind of
stuff. It was cool that she

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had that relationship with him, for
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that and be a part of the
program, which is very cool. So

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I'm looking forward to talking to her
about it. About her dad, you

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know, he was he was a
big deal for US man well he was

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and a very iconic. He wasn't
a tall guy, right, no,

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but but even if you didn't know
that, he stood tall, and it

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was like this powerful, powerful guy
he was. He was in it.

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To me, the first really big
celebrity sports figure that I can remember,

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right, I mean, we had
the pro golf tournaments come through and stuff

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like that. But in terms of
somebody who was here who was really famous

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in not just in the Tucson sports
world, but the overall sports world,

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he was like the first one that
I can that comes to mind for me.

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That makes sense, right, you
know, because Arizona football was in

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the whack. You know, there
were some guy you know, the coaches

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weren't particularly uh well known, but
he got here and he brought a not

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a circus but a sort of a
it was a show, right, He

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brought a show to Tucson with with
the basketball team, and they became they

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were celebrities in town. You know, he was doing TV commercials. Yeah,

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well look at them now. So
that makes sense. That's that's a

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good observation because uh who was before
who? It was a Larsen, right,

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yeah, Bruce Larson. And he
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just wanted like a high right,
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I mean I didn't go the first
you have a basketball game I ever

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went to was a friends to see
a Fred's Snowden team. I never went

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to a game that Bruce Larson coached. Okay, well, let's go.

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All right, let's start. Take
a break. We're gonna come back with

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Stacy Snowden, the daughter of the
former coach, late coach Fred Snowden,

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I'm Steve. He's Jay. Now
on the phone, we have Stacy Snowden,

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Fritz Doden's daughter. Great to talk
to you. Stacy. Hello,

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great to be here. Thanks for
having me today. How long this is

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a dumb question. Sorry, I'll
just say how long has basketball been in

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your life? But it's been forever. And I asked that question because you're

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headed to the Final four like some
of us. I sure am, she

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headed to the final four. When
I get off the phone with you,

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that's no matter of fact. Well, so, yesterday was your dad's birthday,

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which is why we thought, you
know, we'd give you try and

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give you a call. You know, he was such a part of so

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many people's lives here in Tucson.
You know, as you sit here today,

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what do you think about his legacy
not only in college basketball, but

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in Tucson, Arizona. You know, my father came there and just really

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took on quite a task, you
know, in Toufon. You know,

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as you know, Tufon was not
a basketball town. It was a tall

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order, you know, without having
any kind of fan base. Bear down

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gym that what did it? See? A thousand people and you know you've

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merely got a thousand people in there. And I just remember my father working

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so hard in the community to build
some excitement, to build a fan base.

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He was everywhere throughout town. He'd
go to school, he went to

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laundry maps, he'd go to the
seven eleven, he went just everywhere in

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town to build enthusiasm and excitement.
You know, that a hard task.

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I mean, Arizona I think was
six and twenty the year before he got

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there, so he was a busy
guy really trying to build some excitement for

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the community there, and he certainly
did that. And then have that you

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know, first season as a winning
season, I think the regular they were

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sixteen and ten, so that that
really helped things off there. So tell

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her about your your celebrity thing.
Well, here here's and it's interesting that

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you brought that up about how much
he was around town. When did when

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did when did your dad get seventy
three three? I think right nineteen seventy

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three, seventy two. Okay,
I was thirteen years old when he got

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here, and and to you know, I was born here, native here.

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I was thirteen year old when he
got here. And to me growing

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up here, he to me,
he was like the first sports celebrity in

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Tucson, a guy who thought,
you thought, he's not only the basketball

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coach, he's kind of famous.
Everybody knows who he is, right,

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you know, because football and basketball
and other u of a sports, you

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know, weren't here. The Tucson
Toros were here, but those players would

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come and go. So he was
to me, he was like the first

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guy that, you know, the
first some first person who lived in Tucson

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whose autograph you wanted to get.
I guess it's sort of the way to

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put that. And and he established
that, and because of that, you

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know, the basketball program became what
it became. You know, it became

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a big thing for this town.
And I've always thought that about him because

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he was, like he said,
he was on TV everywhere, he was

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going to places, and you just
saw him and you thought this is this

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guy's really famous, and not just
famous in Tucson, but famous all over

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the place. That's how I thought
about it. Well, and that's true

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because you know, he brought a
lot of national attention to Tinson and to

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University of Arizona and their basketball program, you know, et cetera. Yes,

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he was on TV and stuff every
day or every other day there in

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Tucson. But he was in the
national media a lot too, you know,

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the national magazines and so on and
so forth. So yeah, I

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guess he was pretty famous. It
really was. You were a young girl

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at that time. How was it
sharing him because obviously when you're at that

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position, you kind of have to
live their life, so you know,

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you had to share them with everybody
did. But you know, it was

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something that I was used to because
you know, I grew up with that,

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you know, when he was a
coach in Michigan, had to share

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him, So it was it became
a little more difficult bear in Tucson because

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the demands were so heavy on him
and his time, but you know,

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he he did the best he could
to give his time to everyone, including

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me. So yeah, well let
me ask you, because you know,

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Luke left Iowa. And one of
the reasons was he couldn't go to dinner

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without people pestering him, you know. And let me say, and this

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is kind of how he said it. He'd be at dinner with Bobby and

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maybe the family. Excuse me,
Doe, I hate to bother you,

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but I'm going to bother you.
Did that happen a lot here in Tucson,

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Oh, all the time? And
you know, you'd be sitting at

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dinner and people would rush up and
they'd want autographs and so forth, and

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it's like, you know, I
kind of have a fork in my mouth

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right now, right yeah, Just
so you know, I never did.

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I never did get close enough to
him to get an autograph. I wasn't

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one of the one who bothered you. But let me ask you, when,

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Okay, you're in Michigan and your
dad says we're going to Tucson,

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Arizona, what's the family thinking,
Well, you know, we almost didn't

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go. Dave Strack had talked my
dad into this. My dad accepted the

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job, and then he sat down
with my mom and the night before he

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was applied to Tucson to do the
press conference and the official accepting of the

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job and so forth. He changed
his mind. Wow, and he thought,

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this is really a lot to take
the family from everything we know,

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you know, all of our family, all of our roots here, and

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go all the way across country to
this unknown place. You know, we

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don't really know what we're getting into
there. And my mother actually he told

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my mom, I'm not I think
I'm gonna tell you if I changed my

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mind, I'm not going to do
it. They sat up all night long

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and talked about it. My mother
talked him into doing it. Wow.

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He's like, you've worked hard for
this, you deserve this. You know,

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this is for opportunity. We will
be fine, don't worry about us.

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You need to do this for yourself. And that's how he ended up

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going. But he almost did me. I think it's fine. Would have

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changed the world because, as we've
said, and we know some of the

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others like Bob Elliott have said,
if there's no Fred Snowden in Tucson,

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there's no Ludelson in Tucson. And
I truly believe that. And we talked

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about how this community has changed because
of what basketball has done for it,

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starting with you know what your dad
did, and then you know what what

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Luke, you know, kept kept
going. So I man, I if

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it was that close, I'm a
little I'm a little upset about finding out

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about this. You know, forty
years they'll make a book. That'll make

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a book done the world, no
question if it hasn't. It was such

409
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:02.400
a thing to go from some bear
now when you know, when I was

410
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:07.880
a kid, I remember our first
season there and bear Down and excitement started

411
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.160
to build and people wanted to see
you know, this this team, and

412
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:17.599
they were winning games, and I
can remember there were people lined up and

413
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.599
down the street because they couldn't get
into bear Down. It was full,

414
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.839
right, and they'd actually line up
all around bear Down and down the street

415
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.599
and listened for you know, the
cheers and they knew something good was going

416
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.440
on, you know, and this
is what the Kale was being constructed.

417
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:37.119
So my dad then had to come
in and find fifteen thousand of you to

418
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.920
come and enjoy the games, which
he did, I mean, you know,

419
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:47.359
sold out. Do you know that
my father still holds the all time

420
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:53.000
attendance record in the Kale? Yeah, I remember two all time attendance record.

421
00:27:53.720 --> 00:28:00.480
You're probably be right because at that
time there were the capacity was over

422
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.240
a thousand more than it is now. It was fifteen and change and now

423
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.720
it's fourteen and chained, So that
wouldn't surprise me. That does not surprise

424
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.000
me at all. When you think, if you kind of you know,

425
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.480
you kind of know. Okay,
so what did what did you think of

426
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.880
Tucson when you got here and maybe
maybe after you'd been here a while and

427
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.039
kind of got the lay of the
land, what what were your impressions and

428
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.079
what did you think about it?
Oh? Boy, that's a good question.

429
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.519
I did not like it, Okay, that not fair enough. Hated

430
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.839
it, But it was because of
the unique an awful experience that we were

431
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:45.440
going through, you know, as
a family. I had never experienced that

432
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.839
kind of racism. Yeah, yeah, and it was frightening. You know.

433
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:56.559
We thought death threats all the time. That's said to hear now even

434
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.400
now it still really is and I'm
really yeah, I mean it was really

435
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.079
awful. We had to I had
to evacuate my house so many times.

436
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.319
There were always death threats, bomb
threats, fire threats. I can remember

437
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:15.039
going to school and having police officers
on the playground. At one point,

438
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.160
the FBI had to get involved because
the death threats were so prevalent. Wow.

439
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.319
Wow, So it was you know, it was that was really hard.

440
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.000
And then I was moved around to
a lot of schools when we first

441
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.920
got there because of the racism,
because of the death threats, kidnapped threats,

442
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.559
all of these type of things.
And I finally got put into a

443
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.759
private school, private Lutheran school where
you know, I could be a little

444
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.720
more protected. Well, and we
talk about today's social media stuff, and

445
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.319
how do you get through that,
right right? Yeah, yeah, it's

446
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.799
something you definitely don't have to deal
with. They shouldn't have to deal with.

447
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.680
Yeah, no question. And it's
amazing because nowadays, okay, anybody

448
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.480
can sit behind a computer that can
type them really fast and you know,

449
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.799
send out a death threat and so
forth. It just always stunned me back

450
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:03.359
in those days. You know,
people would write these letters. It's like

451
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.119
what you're sitting down, You're writing
a letter saying all these awful, horrible

452
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:08.680
things. You know, you're going
to slip my father's throat, You're going

453
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.359
to do all of these things inward, inward, inward, And then you

454
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.599
actually took the time to address that, put a stamp on it, and

455
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.000
go put it in the mailbox at
some point it didn't stop and think,

456
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.279
okay, wait, maybe I'm going
a little far with us. So it

457
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.640
was scary, no question. So
he would have been eighty eight, is

458
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.960
that correct? Correct? Correct?
And I think I remember the day he

459
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.160
passed. I don't remember how long
ago, but we were in Los Angeles.

460
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:38.759
I was with the team and George
Colil, the late great George Collier

461
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.119
got the news and he was distraught
and he flew right back and he never

462
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.960
missed his games. So you knew
it was a big deal. And I'm

463
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.839
not from here, but I was
covering the team for a long time,

464
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.720
and that's kind of when I kind
of realized, you know, this is

465
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:55.799
a big deal, a big deal, you know. Also it was it

466
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:02.480
was January seventeenth, ninety four,
and that was the day of the big

467
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.960
north Ridge earthquake, oh wow,
in California. And my father happened to

468
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:14.519
be in Washington, d C.
On that day and he was getting He

469
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.640
was there to see the president the
vice president, and they were giving him

470
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.640
an award for all of the community
work that he had done here in Los

471
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.599
Angeles. At that time, he
was with Food for Less and he ran

472
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:36.279
their foundation and the LA Unified School
District sports programs were really in financial ruins

473
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.839
at that time, and so father
got the company to put together like a

474
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.359
million dollars or something grant, which
was a lot of money then to help

475
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:52.440
stade the LA Unified well District sports
program. So that's why he was actually

476
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.039
there in d C and the earthquake
hit on that day. He was in

477
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:04.480
d C there there, it was
Yeah, it was right right. So

478
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.240
what you know, what do we
not know about your dad that you would

479
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.680
want this community or this town to
know about him, you know, in

480
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.160
terms of, you know, I
don't know what kind of a daddy was,

481
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.079
what kind of a coach he was, how he how he lived here,

482
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.119
what he liked about the place,
what he didn't like about What would

483
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:30.599
you want us to know about him? You know? I think how people

484
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.880
throughout the years, wherever I travel, I go back to Detroit, I'd

485
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.200
be at the airport, you know, checking in for a flight, and

486
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.720
someone recognizes my name and they'll say, are you Fred's daughter? And they

487
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.920
have stories to tell me about you
know, they remember him when he was

488
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.599
coaching Northwestern High School in Degreat and
followed his journey to Michigan followed his journey

489
00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.000
to Arizona, and so many of
these people have just different stories that they

490
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.000
tell me of how the interaction with
my father really changed the victory of their

491
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.160
lives. And to just have that
kind of influence and impact on people and

492
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:21.720
young people and youth and take them
throughout your career from Arizona to California is

493
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.920
just incredible. That that's incredible legacy. It's funny. I to the coaching

494
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.319
and all of that. It's the
kind of person that he was. He

495
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:35.759
would and talk to anybody, anybody
that problem, that had an issue.

496
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.599
My dad was listen and to help. Wow. Yeah, well, I

497
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.119
was telling Jay before you came on. I wasn't around at that time.

498
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.839
I said, he he was a
smaller, smaller man. He said,

499
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.160
yes, but he had this presence
about him that made him bigger. Oh

500
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.359
yeah, he did, he did. He doesn't was an athlete as well,

501
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.519
and he was a basketball player.
He was a star basketball player and

502
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.920
baseball player. And because he was
smaller, you know, he had to

503
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.760
find ways to stand out, right, you know, we are on the

504
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.119
baseball field. You know, baseball
was his real love. He was actually

505
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.360
drafted by the Tigers. Wow,
what position? What position he did?

506
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.679
He didn't have any interest in,
you know, going through the farm system

507
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.480
and all that kind of stuff,
especially back then. What position did you

508
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:29.360
play? He was? He played
short, short second. Yeah, so

509
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:30.920
the benefit you had here, I
don't know. Two three years ago.

510
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:36.239
It was fantastic with all the guys
coming back, and it was I was

511
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:37.920
at that it was like, hold
the crap, this is a this is

512
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:43.360
a cool deal. Oh wasn't that
fun? Yeah? That was so neat

513
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.480
to get all those guys together.
Yeah, we had a couple of them

514
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.039
after the Harris. I think it
was getting we've had money on. We

515
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.920
had Herman Harris. Yeah, Bob
on all the time, Bob Alliot on

516
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.599
all the time. Yeah. Okay, before you go, because we're about

517
00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.960
out of time. I gotta,
I gotta, I gotta ask you about

518
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.639
those the warm ups that you designed
that one year, right, didn't Did

519
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.400
you do that every year? Just
the one year I did that one year?

520
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.920
Gosh, I can't remember the year
it was, but yeah, I

521
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.960
got to do that because you know, my dad there with Nike and just

522
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.039
had an opportunity to do it,
and so I said sure. It actually

523
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:30.960
came out of I had previously done
a design of T shirts for football.

524
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:37.320
It's when we knocked off USC when
they were ranked number one in the country,

525
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.920
and my girlfriend and I said,
I was my gosh, we should

526
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.599
do something for this. And I
asked my dad. I said, yeah,

527
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.760
do you think you know Nike would
help with this? He goes,

528
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.280
All you can do is ask,
And so I did that. We designed

529
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.599
these shirts and all that I gave
into the football players on campus and stuff,

530
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.679
and then you know, came around
the time to design uniforms. I

531
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:59.199
said, okay, sure, I
love them. Some people hate it.

532
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.400
It just I just remembered that they
were let's just say interesting. Well,

533
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.800
you know, we needed a little
flare. They had flair. I remember

534
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.559
they had flair. Well, I
have to go back and see what those

535
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.079
looks. I have to see what
that was great. It was great.

536
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.719
And I just remember this, well, yeah, your friend's started design.

537
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.239
Doesn't that cool? You know we
have a chance to do that. Were

538
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.920
you the l s U coach Molky
before Molchy with mol Oh? God,

539
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:31.719
no, we want to take Well, thank you very much. This has

540
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.199
been fun, Stacy. This was
fun. It's great to talk to you.

541
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.400
So we'll see you at the Final
four. Maybe we'll be there.

542
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:43.119
We'll look for you. Great,
we will thank you. Take care by

543
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.320
Stacy Still. That was fun.
I know we could. We could go

544
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.679
off for everyone. That's fine,
all right, we're gonna take our break.

545
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.400
We'd love to hear hear from you. Five TUESDAYO four one six seventy

546
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four to forty. Reminder, this
is our last show of the week,

547
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Steve, the last show until Tuesday. Steve and I will be gone tomorrow

548
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to fifteen. Hey, welcome back
to win the ball here on Fox Sports

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fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, He's
Jay got sid with us today thirteen minutes.

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If you guys want to give us
a quick call. Do you have

590
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.440
any memories of or lasting memories of
the Snowden era? Do you like to

591
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.480
tell us? That'd be great?
Yea, it was a cool time,

592
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.400
you know, as mentioned, you
know he I was thirteen, fourteen years

593
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:21.519
old. The first game I went
to was that Michale. They were playing

594
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.039
by Ull. It was seventy two, like you should, but seventy two

595
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.519
seventy three read the end. It
was after the first thing into seventy three.

596
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.960
That's when Michael opened. And it
was it wasn't it was, you

597
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.800
know, it was brand new,
and I remember just being in awe of

598
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.719
the place where you know, how
you if you go up on the concourse

599
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.440
and you look in and the whole
arena is below ground. And to me,

600
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:46.679
I was fascinated by that because I
you know, I thought, okay,

601
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.559
you see the building from the outside
and I thought, well, how

602
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.960
big can it be? And then
you walk in and it was massive,

603
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.719
and it was like god, and
it was like nothing I'd obviously ever seen

604
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.519
it before. I think I think
bear Down held twenty five hundred or a

605
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.599
twenty five hundred. And then you
also you go to a fifteen thousand seat

606
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.559
arena and it was crazy. And
we remember my brother Ed he said,

607
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.599
you know, let's go to a
game, and we didn't have tickets and

608
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.840
he had to go buy tickets from
a from a scalp right then he paid

609
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.119
that he had to take above market
and it was like ten bucks per ticket,

610
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.880
you know. And and we went
in and we sat in the you

611
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.199
know, we were in the in
the in the in the upper level,

612
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.199
and but I was in awe of
the building. Yeah, no, it

613
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.800
really was in awe of the building. And you know what, they made

614
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.199
some nice renovations. It's nice.
In fact, in our book that Anthony

615
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.960
and I wrote, we wrote about
Mikail so many so much history. And

616
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:51.599
it's funny because I think the Tempe
building the arena was built about the same

617
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.119
time, if not a little laughter
and that's a dumb yeah, yeah,

618
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.760
I mean, I'm not trying to
be. Yeah, it was really taking

619
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.360
care of the building. Yeah,
you know, and it was it's funny

620
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.960
too because you walk in and it
was to me it was like, Okay,

621
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.400
why are some seats yellow? I
understand why some seats are red,

622
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.519
right, and why some seats are
blue, But why are the bunch of

623
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:16.320
yellow? You get that answer,
But what's what the lower the low the

624
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:21.719
lowest bowl. So it was yellow. And then there was a level of

625
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.719
red seats, and then a level
of blue seats. Well, there were

626
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.880
still there's no longer any yellow,
right, no, but there used to

627
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:31.719
be yellow seats at the top well, the and then the the sideline seats

628
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.119
at the very top were also yellow. Those are still chair backs. Then

629
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.639
the rest of the seats in the
upper level were bleacher seats, and and

630
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.039
but it was you know, again
just the I was just you know,

631
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.199
awestruck by the by the building.
And then you know, then became a

632
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.599
thing where you know, would would
ride the the number eight bus down Broadway

633
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.760
to Campbell and walk up and go
to games and would just go and we

634
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.719
had a great time on a great
campus back then, you know, back

635
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.440
in the seventies. It was kind
of the start of where you thought Arizona

636
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.239
sports were starting to get There was
no long Dusty too. Football was still

637
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.159
in the whack. But you know, as U was doing some things that

638
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.199
was bringing attention to the whack because
they were really good. And so that

639
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.480
was when you really started, Okay, we might be growing up and it

640
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.719
was cool, cool, And then
again the the just the show that Fred

641
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.920
Snowden's teams put on. Yeah,
and they could they could rival a lot

642
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.800
of Arizona's teams in recent years because
they ran and they ran and did a

643
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.559
lot of things. Right. I
mean again, if you if you want

644
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:46.159
to rank shooters in the history of
Arizona, there's three Cornel Corneil, Steve

645
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.639
Kerr, and Selim Stodder. Where
did where did Herman Harris fell below that

646
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.039
because he didn't make as many,
but he shot as many, but he

647
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.400
didn't make as many, but his
range, I guess his range was incredible,

648
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.559
but he wasn't as good as shooter
in terms of how many he made

649
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.239
shot from everywhere. You know,
I've never really watched the video of I'm

650
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:12.400
sure they have it somewhere, maybe
even just kind of video of games games,

651
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.679
but you know, it was it
had this weird floor. It was

652
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.599
like a rubber. It was called
Tartan. That's funny you say that.

653
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.119
You how do you remember this because
you can't remember your name. That was

654
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.239
part of the book. I did
some research for it. There was rubber

655
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.000
and they had to tear it to
tear it out, and then they brought

656
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:35.280
in they bought a wood court that
had been at the convention Center and and

657
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.239
that was the court for a long
time until they actually put a wood floor

658
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:42.159
down many years later. I remember
the some of those things, Steve,

659
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.679
but again, it was the thing
that to me, the arena was a

660
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.719
point of pride, you know,
for for it was probably the epicenter of

661
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.159
the of the sports world. Was
the point of pride for the community because

662
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:58.960
one it was way better than when
a su had right and then to the

663
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.559
basketball team was just good. And
I could be wrong. You have to

664
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.079
have the media gut here, but
I think it going to cost eight million

665
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.280
at the time, well, which
is a lot of money then, but

666
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.639
now it's I mean it was cool
to me too, because you know,

667
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:14.320
Son Construction built it, and my
dad worked for Son. Now he didn't

668
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.400
work on the on the building,
he worked on the freeway for them.

669
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.000
But to me, it was like
cool because hey, my dad worked for

670
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.360
the company they built McKay and that
was another thing that was you know,

671
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.480
that was really cool. Yeah,
but it was just it was just a

672
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.960
big It was a big deal,
and all of a sudden you felt big

673
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.960
time. And then, you know, then seventy six, I think they

674
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.280
go to the Elite eight, right, and they play U C l A.

675
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.760
Yeah, you know, it's like, this is a big deal after

676
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.000
beating in Vegas. Yeah, in
a great game. Also, this was

677
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.480
a big basketball was a big deal
in this town, right, you know,

678
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.039
and then and then got you know, got even bigger when they got

679
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.760
into the back twelve and then they
beat you CLS. I mean, it

680
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.599
was just that It's sort of you
felt like Tucson grew up a whole bunch

681
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.800
because of that. And maybe I'm
making more of it because I love sports

682
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.039
and you know, it's been big, but I don't think, you know,

683
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.599
I think the average person who've lived
here through those times would say that

684
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:14.400
Tucson got bigger because because of Michaale, because what was going on with basketball.

685
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.440
They were on TV, Yeah,
all that stuff and all that because

686
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.000
Fretz Norton came here and did such
a great job. I drove through here

687
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.400
as a kid in seventy five.
My parents took us to Disneyland, you

688
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:29.159
know, from New Mexicoo came through
I ten, and i remember pass seeing

689
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.039
through Tucson and I'm thinking, God, it's hot here, and you could

690
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.920
see this, you know, the
city from the freeway. Obviously, I

691
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.719
think this is a hot here,
but it's kind of cool because the city's

692
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.039
right there, right there. You
know. I'm a small town guy and

693
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.159
I'm thinking, know, who knows? And then years later, like to

694
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:45.760
me, being able to see the
stadium when they built the upper deck on

695
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.000
the stadium okay, which was I
think in seventy five or seventy six,

696
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:55.440
maybe the west east, the east
side, when they built the east side

697
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.280
of the east side, Yeah,
right, and you could see the stadium

698
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.159
from different parts of town. As
a kid, to me, that was

699
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.840
really good. I was like,
God, we're getting you know, we're

700
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.840
really big. And as a kid, you you think of things. You

701
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.800
know, you go into your high
school gym, it's big. Big.

702
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.519
As you get older, you go
in and it's not as big as you

703
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.119
think it was, you know,
But as a kid, everything is coverything

704
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.599
is big. Wow. Yeah,
yeah, everything was big and so it

705
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.239
was it was it was just again, it was just the time that you

706
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.519
felt like Arizona Tucson was was really
you know, maturing, really growing up

707
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.360
and and as you know, me
being a teenager during that time, it

708
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.960
had a huge impact on huge impact
of it was very cool. I loved

709
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:39.519
it. It was. It was
fun again. If you want to call,

710
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.519
we have five minutes five to two
oh four one six seventy four forty

711
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.960
we'd like to hear from you.
We have Bob Kemp in about half hour,

712
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.960
about half hour to talk about what's
going on in Phoenix. We'll have

713
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.360
sid with some breaking news. A
lot of things going on right basketball wise

714
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.639
too. Yeah, nothing local.
I think I got a message from about

715
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:04.760
Boswell the news, any news.
I haven't heard any news, so yeah,

716
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.440
no, you know, what do
you mean? Not? Yeah,

717
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.360
I mean, but you know he's
got time to look. If you're kind

718
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.880
of Boswell, you're looking around,
oh yeah, to see what's out there

719
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.239
for you. If you're not.
If you're not, then you know you're

720
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:23.039
you're you're doing an injustice to yourself
because you know there are opportunities out there

721
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:28.400
and like anybody else, it's become
a job. Yeah, especially when you

722
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.840
compare it to football last year.
You know, there's a bunch of guys

723
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.719
that probably reached out even if they
stayed they you know, they was there.

724
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.599
Yeah, they took a look,
you know. And so I wouldn't

725
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.519
blame him at all if he if
he was doing that, and he in

726
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.239
fact he should be doing it.
Oh, let's call from Tommy Lloyd.

727
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.559
I'm suggesting that you know, you're
you're you're doing yourself a disservice if you're

728
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.280
not checking things out. And and
it's as simple as that. And I

729
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.119
think it goes both ways, right
for the Coaches Bowl for you to reach

730
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.519
out to other players, right,
just in case, right, And that's

731
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.599
that's kind of what we're talking about, is that you know coaches now,

732
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.000
yeah, they might hate the fact
that they got to re recruit their players

733
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.559
and stuff like that. But on
the other hand, let's say they've got

734
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.559
a bunch of guys that they have
no chance of winning with, or that

735
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.320
they're that aren't very good, or
that they missed, you know, the

736
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.440
evaluations in recruiting, and they want
to make some changes or go get some

737
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:29.840
more guys because of the atmosphere,
they get to do that. So did

738
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.639
you you get the look we got
to call Hi, You're on the air

739
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.880
and one on the ball. Hey, Jay's Greg. How are you today?

740
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.800
Good? Good? What's on your
mind? I missed the interview with

741
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.800
Freddie Fox's daughter, but uh,
I have a lot of good stories of

742
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.360
about Freddy the Fox though, had
all his wonderful actually put on there,

743
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.440
go ahead, hit us with a
couple. Well, Freddie the Fox is

744
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.280
always one of those guys that was
a fancy thresher. He's always energy and

745
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.199
he would he would have his vibe
play all over wherever he would go.

746
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:10.519
He was just a magnificent personality.
And he ran a really good basketball program

747
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:16.159
with Jimmy Rappis, Cornell, Norman, Herman, Harris. I'm missing a

748
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:22.199
couple of them. Bob, there's
Bob. They're all good. What did

749
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:29.280
you think of him as a personality
in this town? He energized the room.

750
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.639
He's a good guy. Yeah,
that's a good way to put it.

751
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.639
He did you know you just anywhere
he was you thought there's more.

752
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.760
There's some more juice in this room
now because of him. So so Greg,

753
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.360
I know who Greg is. I
won't say who is, but Greg,

754
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.199
did you go to the games back
in the day, and how were

755
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:51.280
those games? I was a season
ticket holder for thirty eight years, and

756
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.960
I started with Freddie the Fox,
and I got to know Freddy because you

757
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:59.039
know what I do for a living, and Freddy was always always around the

758
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.119
place. And actually I put a
lot of his players to work in summer

759
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:06.639
school when I couldn't go home,
like Kenny Loston, a few of them.

760
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.880
Yeah, okay, Kenny was Kenny? Yeah, long time. Was

761
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.480
that one of those jobs where they
had to turn on the automatic automatic sprinklers?

762
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.360
No? No, no, they
actually they actually worked for me and

763
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.360
I actually played. I played,
uh and Herman Harris is on my softball

764
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.440
teap. Oh wow, was a
good ball player her but Hermard was always

765
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.559
swinging for the fences and he connected, which what I what I loved about

766
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.800
Herman Harris. We put him on
the right field and he could be halfway

767
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.880
out the right field some guy hit
a line drive and herm would just jump

768
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.079
up and catch the darn thing when
it should have been way over his head.

769
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.559
Weapon exactly. Greg, appreciate you. Yeah, all right, Sorry

770
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.599
I missed that interview. You got
an iPod, Yeah, we do.

771
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.639
We do have a podcast. It'll
be up on our Go to the iHeart

772
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.639
website or Spotify or Apple Podcasts and
search Eye on the Ball and you'll find

773
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.320
us. Okay, Hey, thanks
a bunch. You Griggs a good guy.

774
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.239
Yeah, no, it's it's funny
because well see, and that's the

775
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.440
thing that the community loved those guys, right, They loved Eric Money,

776
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.800
they love Coneil Norman. I remember
I was really, really, really really

777
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.440
upset when they left after two years. But understood why, you know,

778
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.800
they were from Detroit, you know, probably finances and stuff like that.

779
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.880
They they you know, they got
drafted, played some time, spent some

780
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.880
time in the in the NBA.
Understood, But man, was I upset

781
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:42.559
when when they were gone because you
just thought that they could be around here

782
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.559
a couple more years even. And
I'm sure we have a ton of things.

783
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:46.320
I'm sure when you were a kid
and you were playing on the court,

784
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.719
you were one of those guys.
Yeah, we were all. I

785
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.119
was Eric Money, I love being
icy. I didn't have Coneel's. Okay,

786
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.360
let's go nobody, all right,
we'll be right back